Councillor Ben Duncan calls for Brighton and Hove City Council to boycott Israel goods, services and companies

Councillor Ben Duncan

Councillor Ben Duncan

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Brighton and Hove City Council will debate whether it should join an international movement boycotting Israel.

Independent councillor Ben Duncan has proposed a motion calling on the authority to support the Palestinian-led Boycott, Divestments and Sanctions (BDS) campaign.

The scope of the motion has yet to be finalised but Coun Duncan said he hoped it would lead to the council adopting a policy of not buying goods and services from Israeli companies or foreign companies working in the occupied territories.

Queens Park Councillor Duncan, suspended from the Green Party after a tweet referring to the armed forces as ‘hired killers’, said: “It is responding to the thousands of people in the city who want to see some action taken on the violation of human rights by Israel. It is about the council saying it supports international law.”

The biggest contractor potentially affected would be Veolia, which gets rid of all waste in Brighton and Hove but also runs services in the occupied West Bank.

But Coun Duncan accepted it was unlikely the council would get out of its 25-year contract, signed in 2003, with the French company.

The BDS campaign was started in 2005 by Palestinian political parties, unions and associations, who said they were responding to Israel’s “persistent violations of international law”.

If the motion is passed at a full council meeting on October 23, the council would join authorities including West Dunbartonshire, Bristol City and Tower Hamlets in London in having publically expressed support for sanctions.

Coun Duncan’s motion has been seconded by Green councillor Ruth Buckley, deputy leader of the council.

Israel has faced mounting criticism over the latest round of fighting in Gaza, in which 2,016 Palestinians and 67 Israelis have been killed since hostilities started on July 8.

As to whether sanctions amounted to collective punishment of the Israeli population, Coun Duncan added: “I would rather see a farmer go out of business than a child killed – but of course I would rather see neither.”

Brighton and Hove Palestine Solidarity Campaign is due to hold a rally on Sunday from midday until 3pm to raise awareness of the motion.

Secretary Barry Stierer said: “I think people in the city feel particularly strongly about Palestine and that is obvious from the support we have had.”

Conservative councillor Garry Peltzer Dunn, deputy leader of the opposition, said he would need to see the motion to comment fully.

He said things happening across the Middle East were “horrendous” but “I am a local councillor representing local people”.

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7:23am Fri 22 Aug 14

rogerthefish says...

I actually agree with the Council..
I actually agree with the Council.. rogerthefish
  • Score: -27

7:31am Fri 22 Aug 14

hoveguyactually says...

And how about a boycott against Saudi Arabia, one of the cruellest regimes in the world? But I guess that is not fashionable.
Brighton recently celebrated Pride, so maybe all those who joined in the celebrations should spare a thought for the appalling treatment of gay men and women in Arab countries, where torture and executions are widespread, as well as the terrible treatment of women. Stonings and beheadings are frequent. No mention of protest or boycott there.
Meanwhile the rockets continue from Gaza. No criticism from the Greens there. I wonder why.
And how about a boycott against Saudi Arabia, one of the cruellest regimes in the world? But I guess that is not fashionable. Brighton recently celebrated Pride, so maybe all those who joined in the celebrations should spare a thought for the appalling treatment of gay men and women in Arab countries, where torture and executions are widespread, as well as the terrible treatment of women. Stonings and beheadings are frequent. No mention of protest or boycott there. Meanwhile the rockets continue from Gaza. No criticism from the Greens there. I wonder why. hoveguyactually
  • Score: 131

7:33am Fri 22 Aug 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

Ben Duncan, you are here to do grass roots work for local residents like sort the dogs mess situation out, get our recycling service sorted and improve the council tax collection rate, not get into international politics.
Now get off your lazy backside, close your Twitter account and do some bloody work. This city is a mess and that's your legacy to your son and my family.
Ben Duncan, you are here to do grass roots work for local residents like sort the dogs mess situation out, get our recycling service sorted and improve the council tax collection rate, not get into international politics. Now get off your lazy backside, close your Twitter account and do some bloody work. This city is a mess and that's your legacy to your son and my family. Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: 172

7:47am Fri 22 Aug 14

still waiting says...

“gesture politics, noun: › any action by a person or organization done for political reasons and intended to attract public attention but having little real effect”
“gesture politics, noun: › any action by a person or organization done for political reasons and intended to attract public attention but having little real effect” still waiting
  • Score: 77

8:03am Fri 22 Aug 14

We love Red Billy says...

So Ben is an independent and yet his proposal is seconded by a deputy leader of the greens? Have they got any more feet left to shoot ?
So Ben is an independent and yet his proposal is seconded by a deputy leader of the greens? Have they got any more feet left to shoot ? We love Red Billy
  • Score: 81

8:07am Fri 22 Aug 14

hoveguyactually says...

And wipe that grin off your face and start doing something useful for the city, like dealing with travellers, refuse and traffic. Or maybe they are not "sexy" enough problems.
And wipe that grin off your face and start doing something useful for the city, like dealing with travellers, refuse and traffic. Or maybe they are not "sexy" enough problems. hoveguyactually
  • Score: 109

8:18am Fri 22 Aug 14

SonnyJim55 says...

Oh no not this publicity seeking idiot again. Why do we have to read the garbage that spills from this mans mouth.. As someone has already pointed out what about the Arab countries and some of their appalling human right abuses? But there is no bandwagon for that is there! Duncan should no longer be in local politics and using this paper to air his views after his disgraceful tirade a few months ago.
Oh no not this publicity seeking idiot again. Why do we have to read the garbage that spills from this mans mouth.. As someone has already pointed out what about the Arab countries and some of their appalling human right abuses? But there is no bandwagon for that is there! Duncan should no longer be in local politics and using this paper to air his views after his disgraceful tirade a few months ago. SonnyJim55
  • Score: 115

8:24am Fri 22 Aug 14

Hovenick says...

Why on earth would the Council want to agree with BDS. I am sorry, for the umpteenth time it was Hamas who broke the cease-fire. It is Hamas who fires rockets and uses schools and hospitals as cover for their activities, knowing that they are endangering the lives of their own citizens.
What business is it of the democratically elected Council who were elected to look after local matters to take action against the one democratic country in the whole of the Middle East - Concentrate on sorting out the traffic situation on Kings Road and other local problems which is what you were elected for.
Why on earth would the Council want to agree with BDS. I am sorry, for the umpteenth time it was Hamas who broke the cease-fire. It is Hamas who fires rockets and uses schools and hospitals as cover for their activities, knowing that they are endangering the lives of their own citizens. What business is it of the democratically elected Council who were elected to look after local matters to take action against the one democratic country in the whole of the Middle East - Concentrate on sorting out the traffic situation on Kings Road and other local problems which is what you were elected for. Hovenick
  • Score: 102

8:35am Fri 22 Aug 14

JHunty says...

hoveguyactually wrote:
And how about a boycott against Saudi Arabia, one of the cruellest regimes in the world? But I guess that is not fashionable.
Brighton recently celebrated Pride, so maybe all those who joined in the celebrations should spare a thought for the appalling treatment of gay men and women in Arab countries, where torture and executions are widespread, as well as the terrible treatment of women. Stonings and beheadings are frequent. No mention of protest or boycott there.
Meanwhile the rockets continue from Gaza. No criticism from the Greens there. I wonder why.
If you want to protest against Saudi Arabia, go on no ones stopping you. This is a proper democracy where you can protest about these things if you wish. Oh I see you're trying the boring old worn out argument that a focus on Israel is somehow due to anti semitism because so many other bad things happen in the world and nobody says anything. Well for a start it isn't true that people don't protest about the situation in Syria Iraq and so on. But the main point is that in almost every other situation in the world where bad things are happening we can rely on our government to act as we would wish, ie to put sanctions in place or provide aid or in a last resort take military action. Apart from Israel of course. When Israel is involved our government consistently refuses to do anything, hence the need to put pressure on our government to stop allowing Israel to steal the Palestinians land and escape any consequences for their killing of civilians.
Whether you like it or not, more and more people in this country are sick of Israels actions and no longer wish to see our government actively aiding an increasingly right wing and racist Israeli regime. Our government is increasingly out of step with how people feel on this issue.

As the pro Israelis see support slipping away, they get increasingly desperate and the usual accusations of anti semitism are thrown up to obscure the real issues. You should read the recent BBC article on whether there has actually been a rise in anti Semitic incidents.


When pro Israeli organisations like the Community Security Trust and the ADL are making such claims they should be treated with caution.

Here is a list of articles based on info provided by the CST, it's not hard to see a pattern.

Douglas Davies, British Jews fear they may be the next Neo-Nazi target, The Jerusalem Post, 27-April-1999
JTA, Attacks on British Jews Soar, The Jerusalem Post, 5-February-2001
Keith Poole, Increase in number of race attacks on Jews in Britain, The Evening Standard (London), 17-April-2002
David Smith, Attacks on Jews soar in Britain, The Express, 17-April-2002
Marie Woolf, Attacks on Jews increase by 15% in a year, The Independent, 21-February-2003
News, War fuels rise in Anti-Semitism, The Express, 3-May-2003
Harvey McGavin, Anti-Semitic Attacks Rise, The Independent, 16-February-2004
Jason Benetto, Anti-Semitic assaults near record levels, The Independent, 20-February-2004
Jamie Doward, Jews predict record level of hate attacks, The Observer, 8-August-2004
Rosie Cowan, Fear as attacks on Jews increase, The Guardian, 21-January-2005
Neville Dean, Attacks on Jews at record levels, Press Association, 10-February-2005
Lawrence Marzouk, Attacks on Jews increase by 50 per cent, This is Local London, 18-February-2005
News, Anti-Jewish feeling at an all-time high, The Express, 7-February-2006
Jason Benetto, Anti-Semitic abuse rises after Harry's high-profile Nazi gaffe, The Independent, 3-February-2006
Joanna Bale and Anthony Browne, Attacks on Jews soar since Lebanon, The Times, 2-September-2006
Steve Doughty, Anti-Jewish attacks soar inbacklashover Mid-East bloodshed, The Daily Mail, 2-February-2007
Gabriel Milland, Shocking rise in Anti-Semitism, The Express, 18-July-2007
David Pallister, Crime: Rise in number of violent attacks on Jews in the UK, The Guardian, 15-February-2008
Emily Dugan, Anti-Semitic violence nears record level, The Independent, 17-May-2008
Pg.11, Anti-Semitic Attacks Soar, The Daily Mail, 7-January-2009
Mark Townsend, National: RACISM: Rise in antisemitic attacks 'the worst recorded in Britain in decades', The Observer, 8-February-2009
News Pg. 11, Attacks on Jews Rise, The Times, 25-July-2009
John Twomey, Hate attacks on Jewish targets hit record high, The Express, 5-February-2010

It's also a fact that Micheal Gove handed the CST £2 million of our money recently to be used to provide security at Jewish schools, why not just use the police? David Cameron professed his undying support for Israel at a recent CST function, so in short it's clear that our government won't be trying to hold Israel to account any time soon.

It's just a shame that some of those who support the Palestinian cause are such annoying twits, like Ben Duncan and Tony Greenstein.

Yet again you are trying to suggest that anyone who criticises Israel is some how anti Semitic, well that doesn't wash anymore. Israel is not the victim here, Israel is the aggressor. It's the Palestinians who should have a right to exercise a right of self defence not Israel.
[quote][p][bold]hoveguyactually[/bold] wrote: And how about a boycott against Saudi Arabia, one of the cruellest regimes in the world? But I guess that is not fashionable. Brighton recently celebrated Pride, so maybe all those who joined in the celebrations should spare a thought for the appalling treatment of gay men and women in Arab countries, where torture and executions are widespread, as well as the terrible treatment of women. Stonings and beheadings are frequent. No mention of protest or boycott there. Meanwhile the rockets continue from Gaza. No criticism from the Greens there. I wonder why.[/p][/quote]If you want to protest against Saudi Arabia, go on no ones stopping you. This is a proper democracy where you can protest about these things if you wish. Oh I see you're trying the boring old worn out argument that a focus on Israel is somehow due to anti semitism because so many other bad things happen in the world and nobody says anything. Well for a start it isn't true that people don't protest about the situation in Syria Iraq and so on. But the main point is that in almost every other situation in the world where bad things are happening we can rely on our government to act as we would wish, ie to put sanctions in place or provide aid or in a last resort take military action. Apart from Israel of course. When Israel is involved our government consistently refuses to do anything, hence the need to put pressure on our government to stop allowing Israel to steal the Palestinians land and escape any consequences for their killing of civilians. Whether you like it or not, more and more people in this country are sick of Israels actions and no longer wish to see our government actively aiding an increasingly right wing and racist Israeli regime. Our government is increasingly out of step with how people feel on this issue. As the pro Israelis see support slipping away, they get increasingly desperate and the usual accusations of anti semitism are thrown up to obscure the real issues. You should read the recent BBC article on whether there has actually been a rise in anti Semitic incidents. When pro Israeli organisations like the Community Security Trust and the ADL are making such claims they should be treated with caution. Here is a list of articles based on info provided by the CST, it's not hard to see a pattern. Douglas Davies, British Jews fear they may be the next Neo-Nazi target, The Jerusalem Post, 27-April-1999 JTA, Attacks on British Jews Soar, The Jerusalem Post, 5-February-2001 Keith Poole, Increase in number of race attacks on Jews in Britain, The Evening Standard (London), 17-April-2002 David Smith, Attacks on Jews soar in Britain, The Express, 17-April-2002 Marie Woolf, Attacks on Jews increase by 15% in a year, The Independent, 21-February-2003 News, War fuels rise in Anti-Semitism, The Express, 3-May-2003 Harvey McGavin, Anti-Semitic Attacks Rise, The Independent, 16-February-2004 Jason Benetto, Anti-Semitic assaults near record levels, The Independent, 20-February-2004 Jamie Doward, Jews predict record level of hate attacks, The Observer, 8-August-2004 Rosie Cowan, Fear as attacks on Jews increase, The Guardian, 21-January-2005 Neville Dean, Attacks on Jews at record levels, Press Association, 10-February-2005 Lawrence Marzouk, Attacks on Jews increase by 50 per cent, This is Local London, 18-February-2005 News, Anti-Jewish feeling at an all-time high, The Express, 7-February-2006 Jason Benetto, Anti-Semitic abuse rises after Harry's high-profile Nazi gaffe, The Independent, 3-February-2006 Joanna Bale and Anthony Browne, Attacks on Jews soar since Lebanon, The Times, 2-September-2006 Steve Doughty, Anti-Jewish attacks soar inbacklashover Mid-East bloodshed, The Daily Mail, 2-February-2007 Gabriel Milland, Shocking rise in Anti-Semitism, The Express, 18-July-2007 David Pallister, Crime: Rise in number of violent attacks on Jews in the UK, The Guardian, 15-February-2008 Emily Dugan, Anti-Semitic violence nears record level, The Independent, 17-May-2008 Pg.11, Anti-Semitic Attacks Soar, The Daily Mail, 7-January-2009 Mark Townsend, National: RACISM: Rise in antisemitic attacks 'the worst recorded in Britain in decades', The Observer, 8-February-2009 News Pg. 11, Attacks on Jews Rise, The Times, 25-July-2009 John Twomey, Hate attacks on Jewish targets hit record high, The Express, 5-February-2010 It's also a fact that Micheal Gove handed the CST £2 million of our money recently to be used to provide security at Jewish schools, why not just use the police? David Cameron professed his undying support for Israel at a recent CST function, so in short it's clear that our government won't be trying to hold Israel to account any time soon. It's just a shame that some of those who support the Palestinian cause are such annoying twits, like Ben Duncan and Tony Greenstein. Yet again you are trying to suggest that anyone who criticises Israel is some how anti Semitic, well that doesn't wash anymore. Israel is not the victim here, Israel is the aggressor. It's the Palestinians who should have a right to exercise a right of self defence not Israel. JHunty
  • Score: -82

8:52am Fri 22 Aug 14

Fight_Back says...

Hovenick wrote:
Why on earth would the Council want to agree with BDS. I am sorry, for the umpteenth time it was Hamas who broke the cease-fire. It is Hamas who fires rockets and uses schools and hospitals as cover for their activities, knowing that they are endangering the lives of their own citizens.
What business is it of the democratically elected Council who were elected to look after local matters to take action against the one democratic country in the whole of the Middle East - Concentrate on sorting out the traffic situation on Kings Road and other local problems which is what you were elected for.
I hate to point out to you but Israel is not the only democracy in the Middle East. For starters the residents of Gaza VOTED for Hamas to lead the area - that is democracy, people voting for their leaders. Only because the vote didn't go the way Israel ( or they puppets the USA ) wanted doesn't make it any less democratic.
[quote][p][bold]Hovenick[/bold] wrote: Why on earth would the Council want to agree with BDS. I am sorry, for the umpteenth time it was Hamas who broke the cease-fire. It is Hamas who fires rockets and uses schools and hospitals as cover for their activities, knowing that they are endangering the lives of their own citizens. What business is it of the democratically elected Council who were elected to look after local matters to take action against the one democratic country in the whole of the Middle East - Concentrate on sorting out the traffic situation on Kings Road and other local problems which is what you were elected for.[/p][/quote]I hate to point out to you but Israel is not the only democracy in the Middle East. For starters the residents of Gaza VOTED for Hamas to lead the area - that is democracy, people voting for their leaders. Only because the vote didn't go the way Israel ( or they puppets the USA ) wanted doesn't make it any less democratic. Fight_Back
  • Score: -31

8:54am Fri 22 Aug 14

Fight_Back says...

Oh, I already make sure, whenever possible, I don't buy Israeli goods. I struggle to come to terms with the fact that I agree with this moronic Green councillor on this ( he isn't really an independent ).
Oh, I already make sure, whenever possible, I don't buy Israeli goods. I struggle to come to terms with the fact that I agree with this moronic Green councillor on this ( he isn't really an independent ). Fight_Back
  • Score: -44

8:54am Fri 22 Aug 14

clarkebrighton says...

When will this IDIOT Shut up, I thought he had been Sacked or he had
Resigned after he's Evil Remarks about our "Soldiers or Hired Killers"
on the Streets of Brighton. The Petition against him on change.org
has now reached 2,730 signatures
When will this IDIOT Shut up, I thought he had been Sacked or he had Resigned after he's Evil Remarks about our "Soldiers or Hired Killers" on the Streets of Brighton. The Petition against him on change.org has now reached 2,730 signatures clarkebrighton
  • Score: 87

9:04am Fri 22 Aug 14

Plantpot says...

I find people like this utterly loathsome. I really hope that in 2015 we see the back of the Greens forever, however, given that B&H is chock full of these sorts of people(birds of a feather and all that) the Greens may continue to have the opportunity to carry on in some way.
I find people like this utterly loathsome. I really hope that in 2015 we see the back of the Greens forever, however, given that B&H is chock full of these sorts of people(birds of a feather and all that) the Greens may continue to have the opportunity to carry on in some way. Plantpot
  • Score: 47

9:19am Fri 22 Aug 14

Nosfaratu says...

JHunty wrote:
hoveguyactually wrote:
And how about a boycott against Saudi Arabia, one of the cruellest regimes in the world? But I guess that is not fashionable.
Brighton recently celebrated Pride, so maybe all those who joined in the celebrations should spare a thought for the appalling treatment of gay men and women in Arab countries, where torture and executions are widespread, as well as the terrible treatment of women. Stonings and beheadings are frequent. No mention of protest or boycott there.
Meanwhile the rockets continue from Gaza. No criticism from the Greens there. I wonder why.
If you want to protest against Saudi Arabia, go on no ones stopping you. This is a proper democracy where you can protest about these things if you wish. Oh I see you're trying the boring old worn out argument that a focus on Israel is somehow due to anti semitism because so many other bad things happen in the world and nobody says anything. Well for a start it isn't true that people don't protest about the situation in Syria Iraq and so on. But the main point is that in almost every other situation in the world where bad things are happening we can rely on our government to act as we would wish, ie to put sanctions in place or provide aid or in a last resort take military action. Apart from Israel of course. When Israel is involved our government consistently refuses to do anything, hence the need to put pressure on our government to stop allowing Israel to steal the Palestinians land and escape any consequences for their killing of civilians.
Whether you like it or not, more and more people in this country are sick of Israels actions and no longer wish to see our government actively aiding an increasingly right wing and racist Israeli regime. Our government is increasingly out of step with how people feel on this issue.

As the pro Israelis see support slipping away, they get increasingly desperate and the usual accusations of anti semitism are thrown up to obscure the real issues. You should read the recent BBC article on whether there has actually been a rise in anti Semitic incidents.


When pro Israeli organisations like the Community Security Trust and the ADL are making such claims they should be treated with caution.

Here is a list of articles based on info provided by the CST, it's not hard to see a pattern.

Douglas Davies, British Jews fear they may be the next Neo-Nazi target, The Jerusalem Post, 27-April-1999
JTA, Attacks on British Jews Soar, The Jerusalem Post, 5-February-2001
Keith Poole, Increase in number of race attacks on Jews in Britain, The Evening Standard (London), 17-April-2002
David Smith, Attacks on Jews soar in Britain, The Express, 17-April-2002
Marie Woolf, Attacks on Jews increase by 15% in a year, The Independent, 21-February-2003
News, War fuels rise in Anti-Semitism, The Express, 3-May-2003
Harvey McGavin, Anti-Semitic Attacks Rise, The Independent, 16-February-2004
Jason Benetto, Anti-Semitic assaults near record levels, The Independent, 20-February-2004
Jamie Doward, Jews predict record level of hate attacks, The Observer, 8-August-2004
Rosie Cowan, Fear as attacks on Jews increase, The Guardian, 21-January-2005
Neville Dean, Attacks on Jews at record levels, Press Association, 10-February-2005
Lawrence Marzouk, Attacks on Jews increase by 50 per cent, This is Local London, 18-February-2005
News, Anti-Jewish feeling at an all-time high, The Express, 7-February-2006
Jason Benetto, Anti-Semitic abuse rises after Harry's high-profile Nazi gaffe, The Independent, 3-February-2006
Joanna Bale and Anthony Browne, Attacks on Jews soar since Lebanon, The Times, 2-September-2006
Steve Doughty, Anti-Jewish attacks soar inbacklashover Mid-East bloodshed, The Daily Mail, 2-February-2007
Gabriel Milland, Shocking rise in Anti-Semitism, The Express, 18-July-2007
David Pallister, Crime: Rise in number of violent attacks on Jews in the UK, The Guardian, 15-February-2008
Emily Dugan, Anti-Semitic violence nears record level, The Independent, 17-May-2008
Pg.11, Anti-Semitic Attacks Soar, The Daily Mail, 7-January-2009
Mark Townsend, National: RACISM: Rise in antisemitic attacks 'the worst recorded in Britain in decades', The Observer, 8-February-2009
News Pg. 11, Attacks on Jews Rise, The Times, 25-July-2009
John Twomey, Hate attacks on Jewish targets hit record high, The Express, 5-February-2010

It's also a fact that Micheal Gove handed the CST £2 million of our money recently to be used to provide security at Jewish schools, why not just use the police? David Cameron professed his undying support for Israel at a recent CST function, so in short it's clear that our government won't be trying to hold Israel to account any time soon.

It's just a shame that some of those who support the Palestinian cause are such annoying twits, like Ben Duncan and Tony Greenstein.

Yet again you are trying to suggest that anyone who criticises Israel is some how anti Semitic, well that doesn't wash anymore. Israel is not the victim here, Israel is the aggressor. It's the Palestinians who should have a right to exercise a right of self defence not Israel.
Shame then that HAMAS should continue to fire rockets into Israel knowing that the consensus of opinion is on their side.

Why would you intimidate the Israelis so they killed (innocent) civilians other than to get the sympathy vote.
Instead of building tunnels to commit murder build a society that can reason without using AK47's.
[quote][p][bold]JHunty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoveguyactually[/bold] wrote: And how about a boycott against Saudi Arabia, one of the cruellest regimes in the world? But I guess that is not fashionable. Brighton recently celebrated Pride, so maybe all those who joined in the celebrations should spare a thought for the appalling treatment of gay men and women in Arab countries, where torture and executions are widespread, as well as the terrible treatment of women. Stonings and beheadings are frequent. No mention of protest or boycott there. Meanwhile the rockets continue from Gaza. No criticism from the Greens there. I wonder why.[/p][/quote]If you want to protest against Saudi Arabia, go on no ones stopping you. This is a proper democracy where you can protest about these things if you wish. Oh I see you're trying the boring old worn out argument that a focus on Israel is somehow due to anti semitism because so many other bad things happen in the world and nobody says anything. Well for a start it isn't true that people don't protest about the situation in Syria Iraq and so on. But the main point is that in almost every other situation in the world where bad things are happening we can rely on our government to act as we would wish, ie to put sanctions in place or provide aid or in a last resort take military action. Apart from Israel of course. When Israel is involved our government consistently refuses to do anything, hence the need to put pressure on our government to stop allowing Israel to steal the Palestinians land and escape any consequences for their killing of civilians. Whether you like it or not, more and more people in this country are sick of Israels actions and no longer wish to see our government actively aiding an increasingly right wing and racist Israeli regime. Our government is increasingly out of step with how people feel on this issue. As the pro Israelis see support slipping away, they get increasingly desperate and the usual accusations of anti semitism are thrown up to obscure the real issues. You should read the recent BBC article on whether there has actually been a rise in anti Semitic incidents. When pro Israeli organisations like the Community Security Trust and the ADL are making such claims they should be treated with caution. Here is a list of articles based on info provided by the CST, it's not hard to see a pattern. Douglas Davies, British Jews fear they may be the next Neo-Nazi target, The Jerusalem Post, 27-April-1999 JTA, Attacks on British Jews Soar, The Jerusalem Post, 5-February-2001 Keith Poole, Increase in number of race attacks on Jews in Britain, The Evening Standard (London), 17-April-2002 David Smith, Attacks on Jews soar in Britain, The Express, 17-April-2002 Marie Woolf, Attacks on Jews increase by 15% in a year, The Independent, 21-February-2003 News, War fuels rise in Anti-Semitism, The Express, 3-May-2003 Harvey McGavin, Anti-Semitic Attacks Rise, The Independent, 16-February-2004 Jason Benetto, Anti-Semitic assaults near record levels, The Independent, 20-February-2004 Jamie Doward, Jews predict record level of hate attacks, The Observer, 8-August-2004 Rosie Cowan, Fear as attacks on Jews increase, The Guardian, 21-January-2005 Neville Dean, Attacks on Jews at record levels, Press Association, 10-February-2005 Lawrence Marzouk, Attacks on Jews increase by 50 per cent, This is Local London, 18-February-2005 News, Anti-Jewish feeling at an all-time high, The Express, 7-February-2006 Jason Benetto, Anti-Semitic abuse rises after Harry's high-profile Nazi gaffe, The Independent, 3-February-2006 Joanna Bale and Anthony Browne, Attacks on Jews soar since Lebanon, The Times, 2-September-2006 Steve Doughty, Anti-Jewish attacks soar inbacklashover Mid-East bloodshed, The Daily Mail, 2-February-2007 Gabriel Milland, Shocking rise in Anti-Semitism, The Express, 18-July-2007 David Pallister, Crime: Rise in number of violent attacks on Jews in the UK, The Guardian, 15-February-2008 Emily Dugan, Anti-Semitic violence nears record level, The Independent, 17-May-2008 Pg.11, Anti-Semitic Attacks Soar, The Daily Mail, 7-January-2009 Mark Townsend, National: RACISM: Rise in antisemitic attacks 'the worst recorded in Britain in decades', The Observer, 8-February-2009 News Pg. 11, Attacks on Jews Rise, The Times, 25-July-2009 John Twomey, Hate attacks on Jewish targets hit record high, The Express, 5-February-2010 It's also a fact that Micheal Gove handed the CST £2 million of our money recently to be used to provide security at Jewish schools, why not just use the police? David Cameron professed his undying support for Israel at a recent CST function, so in short it's clear that our government won't be trying to hold Israel to account any time soon. It's just a shame that some of those who support the Palestinian cause are such annoying twits, like Ben Duncan and Tony Greenstein. Yet again you are trying to suggest that anyone who criticises Israel is some how anti Semitic, well that doesn't wash anymore. Israel is not the victim here, Israel is the aggressor. It's the Palestinians who should have a right to exercise a right of self defence not Israel.[/p][/quote]Shame then that HAMAS should continue to fire rockets into Israel knowing that the consensus of opinion is on their side. Why would you intimidate the Israelis so they killed (innocent) civilians other than to get the sympathy vote. Instead of building tunnels to commit murder build a society that can reason without using AK47's. Nosfaratu
  • Score: 31

9:28am Fri 22 Aug 14

salty_pete says...

The Russian communists used to have a name for people like this : "useful idiots". Though in this case I think "useful" is pushing it a bit. There is however an easy remedy for the Gaza situation; that Hamas stop lobbing rockets at Israel, then Israel wouldn't have to retaliate to protect their citizens, which is a sovereign right. Oh, and last time I looked, I couldn't find meddling in international affairs for the sake of gesture politics was in the job description of a local councillor.
The Russian communists used to have a name for people like this : "useful idiots". Though in this case I think "useful" is pushing it a bit. There is however an easy remedy for the Gaza situation; that Hamas stop lobbing rockets at Israel, then Israel wouldn't have to retaliate to protect their citizens, which is a sovereign right. Oh, and last time I looked, I couldn't find meddling in international affairs for the sake of gesture politics was in the job description of a local councillor. salty_pete
  • Score: 65

9:32am Fri 22 Aug 14

PracticeNotTheories says...

There should be a process by which councillors and MPs can be banned from Politics. Preferably for life.
If they make election promises that they don't carry through if elected, or they spout rhetoric about things that have nothing to do with them, their area, or are just scoring political points on, they should be banned from standing for re-election.
As with most professionals (it's a stretch to say a Politician may be 'Professional', but it is something they get paid for doing, and they do nothing else - perhaps at all...) they should be registered with a body that conducts regular reviews and licences them.
Would be nice if they were held accountable!
There should be a process by which councillors and MPs can be banned from Politics. Preferably for life. If they make election promises that they don't carry through if elected, or they spout rhetoric about things that have nothing to do with them, their area, or are just scoring political points on, they should be banned from standing for re-election. As with most professionals (it's a stretch to say a Politician may be 'Professional', but it is something they get paid for doing, and they do nothing else - perhaps at all...) they should be registered with a body that conducts regular reviews and licences them. Would be nice if they were held accountable! PracticeNotTheories
  • Score: 29

9:36am Fri 22 Aug 14

Morpheus says...

What is going on in this area is terrible, but it is often said: disarm Israel and the violence will continue, disarm Hamas and there will be peace. Our council needs to remember this.
What is going on in this area is terrible, but it is often said: disarm Israel and the violence will continue, disarm Hamas and there will be peace. Our council needs to remember this. Morpheus
  • Score: 38

9:53am Fri 22 Aug 14

argchat says...

Wish I could turn back the clock 15 - 20 years, because honestly ever since the Labour party ran this country and then left power this country feels like it has been slipping backwards. The UK just feels like a place that takes on other peoples religious and political problems and the people who matter the most, that's you and me, don't get a say anymore. We are craving for some proper leadership in this country, a leader that is going to put British people and British values first before anything else. Isn't it mad, that comments like mine could most possibly be considered a bad thing these days. Everyday we here of another problem or protest taking place which has absolutely nothing to do with us, and when we get people asking the council to boycott products, services because of another countries problems, it really just shows how far down the road we have come, and how little value and respect people have for our own values.
Wish I could turn back the clock 15 - 20 years, because honestly ever since the Labour party ran this country and then left power this country feels like it has been slipping backwards. The UK just feels like a place that takes on other peoples religious and political problems and the people who matter the most, that's you and me, don't get a say anymore. We are craving for some proper leadership in this country, a leader that is going to put British people and British values first before anything else. Isn't it mad, that comments like mine could most possibly be considered a bad thing these days. Everyday we here of another problem or protest taking place which has absolutely nothing to do with us, and when we get people asking the council to boycott products, services because of another countries problems, it really just shows how far down the road we have come, and how little value and respect people have for our own values. argchat
  • Score: 17

9:55am Fri 22 Aug 14

Valentinian says...

What about the Rat filled Kebabs...ISIS and the beheading of that American by the British Muslim...

What next... boycott Russian Prostitutes over Putins stand against uphill gardeners...NO I SAY AND I KNOW BEN LEO AGREES WITH ME ON THE LAST ONE...Eh! Benny!
What about the Rat filled Kebabs...ISIS and the beheading of that American by the British Muslim... What next... boycott Russian Prostitutes over Putins stand against uphill gardeners...NO I SAY AND I KNOW BEN LEO AGREES WITH ME ON THE LAST ONE...Eh! Benny! Valentinian
  • Score: -2

10:07am Fri 22 Aug 14

qm says...

Fight_Back wrote:
Hovenick wrote:
Why on earth would the Council want to agree with BDS. I am sorry, for the umpteenth time it was Hamas who broke the cease-fire. It is Hamas who fires rockets and uses schools and hospitals as cover for their activities, knowing that they are endangering the lives of their own citizens.
What business is it of the democratically elected Council who were elected to look after local matters to take action against the one democratic country in the whole of the Middle East - Concentrate on sorting out the traffic situation on Kings Road and other local problems which is what you were elected for.
I hate to point out to you but Israel is not the only democracy in the Middle East. For starters the residents of Gaza VOTED for Hamas to lead the area - that is democracy, people voting for their leaders. Only because the vote didn't go the way Israel ( or they puppets the USA ) wanted doesn't make it any less democratic.
You think the Gaza election was democratic? Tell that the people who didn't vote for Hamas and have been regretting it ever since!!! An election under duress does not equate to democracy!
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hovenick[/bold] wrote: Why on earth would the Council want to agree with BDS. I am sorry, for the umpteenth time it was Hamas who broke the cease-fire. It is Hamas who fires rockets and uses schools and hospitals as cover for their activities, knowing that they are endangering the lives of their own citizens. What business is it of the democratically elected Council who were elected to look after local matters to take action against the one democratic country in the whole of the Middle East - Concentrate on sorting out the traffic situation on Kings Road and other local problems which is what you were elected for.[/p][/quote]I hate to point out to you but Israel is not the only democracy in the Middle East. For starters the residents of Gaza VOTED for Hamas to lead the area - that is democracy, people voting for their leaders. Only because the vote didn't go the way Israel ( or they puppets the USA ) wanted doesn't make it any less democratic.[/p][/quote]You think the Gaza election was democratic? Tell that the people who didn't vote for Hamas and have been regretting it ever since!!! An election under duress does not equate to democracy! qm
  • Score: 27

10:19am Fri 22 Aug 14

mhaiti says...

Come on Argus this is a very leading headline. The call is not to boycott Israel, but to boycott goods and services that are produced and provided from illegally (under International Law) occupied territories.

This whole offensive started when 3 israeli teens were tragically killed by a group that has since been proven are not affiliated with Hamas (the political party). It was also proven that the Israeli leadership knew that they were dead and who had killed them while they were stringing along the line that they had been kidnapped and blaming Hamas. Using an example closer to home, this is like us shelling Belfast indiscriminantly following the bombing of the Grand Hotel.

I am not naive enough to believe that some elements of Hamas are not guilty of war crimes but it's the response that angers me. It is completely disproportionate, kids are being targeting (football boys on the beach), ambulances carrying victims are being targeted, hospitals and UN schools are being targeted. Where does it end?

This is not a war by any means, this is a massacre. Jailers have a responsibility for the welfare of their prisoners, Gaza is a prison and Israel is doing nothing to ensure the safety of the innocent populace (women, children, elderly and ordinary citizens).
Come on Argus this is a very leading headline. The call is not to boycott Israel, but to boycott goods and services that are produced and provided from illegally (under International Law) occupied territories. This whole offensive started when 3 israeli teens were tragically killed by a group that has since been proven are not affiliated with Hamas (the political party). It was also proven that the Israeli leadership knew that they were dead and who had killed them while they were stringing along the line that they had been kidnapped and blaming Hamas. Using an example closer to home, this is like us shelling Belfast indiscriminantly following the bombing of the Grand Hotel. I am not naive enough to believe that some elements of Hamas are not guilty of war crimes but it's the response that angers me. It is completely disproportionate, kids are being targeting (football boys on the beach), ambulances carrying victims are being targeted, hospitals and UN schools are being targeted. Where does it end? This is not a war by any means, this is a massacre. Jailers have a responsibility for the welfare of their prisoners, Gaza is a prison and Israel is doing nothing to ensure the safety of the innocent populace (women, children, elderly and ordinary citizens). mhaiti
  • Score: -17

10:26am Fri 22 Aug 14

tinker111 says...

JHunty wrote:
hoveguyactually wrote:
And how about a boycott against Saudi Arabia, one of the cruellest regimes in the world? But I guess that is not fashionable.
Brighton recently celebrated Pride, so maybe all those who joined in the celebrations should spare a thought for the appalling treatment of gay men and women in Arab countries, where torture and executions are widespread, as well as the terrible treatment of women. Stonings and beheadings are frequent. No mention of protest or boycott there.
Meanwhile the rockets continue from Gaza. No criticism from the Greens there. I wonder why.
If you want to protest against Saudi Arabia, go on no ones stopping you. This is a proper democracy where you can protest about these things if you wish. Oh I see you're trying the boring old worn out argument that a focus on Israel is somehow due to anti semitism because so many other bad things happen in the world and nobody says anything. Well for a start it isn't true that people don't protest about the situation in Syria Iraq and so on. But the main point is that in almost every other situation in the world where bad things are happening we can rely on our government to act as we would wish, ie to put sanctions in place or provide aid or in a last resort take military action. Apart from Israel of course. When Israel is involved our government consistently refuses to do anything, hence the need to put pressure on our government to stop allowing Israel to steal the Palestinians land and escape any consequences for their killing of civilians.
Whether you like it or not, more and more people in this country are sick of Israels actions and no longer wish to see our government actively aiding an increasingly right wing and racist Israeli regime. Our government is increasingly out of step with how people feel on this issue.

As the pro Israelis see support slipping away, they get increasingly desperate and the usual accusations of anti semitism are thrown up to obscure the real issues. You should read the recent BBC article on whether there has actually been a rise in anti Semitic incidents.


When pro Israeli organisations like the Community Security Trust and the ADL are making such claims they should be treated with caution.

Here is a list of articles based on info provided by the CST, it's not hard to see a pattern.

Douglas Davies, British Jews fear they may be the next Neo-Nazi target, The Jerusalem Post, 27-April-1999
JTA, Attacks on British Jews Soar, The Jerusalem Post, 5-February-2001
Keith Poole, Increase in number of race attacks on Jews in Britain, The Evening Standard (London), 17-April-2002
David Smith, Attacks on Jews soar in Britain, The Express, 17-April-2002
Marie Woolf, Attacks on Jews increase by 15% in a year, The Independent, 21-February-2003
News, War fuels rise in Anti-Semitism, The Express, 3-May-2003
Harvey McGavin, Anti-Semitic Attacks Rise, The Independent, 16-February-2004
Jason Benetto, Anti-Semitic assaults near record levels, The Independent, 20-February-2004
Jamie Doward, Jews predict record level of hate attacks, The Observer, 8-August-2004
Rosie Cowan, Fear as attacks on Jews increase, The Guardian, 21-January-2005
Neville Dean, Attacks on Jews at record levels, Press Association, 10-February-2005
Lawrence Marzouk, Attacks on Jews increase by 50 per cent, This is Local London, 18-February-2005
News, Anti-Jewish feeling at an all-time high, The Express, 7-February-2006
Jason Benetto, Anti-Semitic abuse rises after Harry's high-profile Nazi gaffe, The Independent, 3-February-2006
Joanna Bale and Anthony Browne, Attacks on Jews soar since Lebanon, The Times, 2-September-2006
Steve Doughty, Anti-Jewish attacks soar inbacklashover Mid-East bloodshed, The Daily Mail, 2-February-2007
Gabriel Milland, Shocking rise in Anti-Semitism, The Express, 18-July-2007
David Pallister, Crime: Rise in number of violent attacks on Jews in the UK, The Guardian, 15-February-2008
Emily Dugan, Anti-Semitic violence nears record level, The Independent, 17-May-2008
Pg.11, Anti-Semitic Attacks Soar, The Daily Mail, 7-January-2009
Mark Townsend, National: RACISM: Rise in antisemitic attacks 'the worst recorded in Britain in decades', The Observer, 8-February-2009
News Pg. 11, Attacks on Jews Rise, The Times, 25-July-2009
John Twomey, Hate attacks on Jewish targets hit record high, The Express, 5-February-2010

It's also a fact that Micheal Gove handed the CST £2 million of our money recently to be used to provide security at Jewish schools, why not just use the police? David Cameron professed his undying support for Israel at a recent CST function, so in short it's clear that our government won't be trying to hold Israel to account any time soon.

It's just a shame that some of those who support the Palestinian cause are such annoying twits, like Ben Duncan and Tony Greenstein.

Yet again you are trying to suggest that anyone who criticises Israel is some how anti Semitic, well that doesn't wash anymore. Israel is not the victim here, Israel is the aggressor. It's the Palestinians who should have a right to exercise a right of self defence not Israel.
what a load of tosh
[quote][p][bold]JHunty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoveguyactually[/bold] wrote: And how about a boycott against Saudi Arabia, one of the cruellest regimes in the world? But I guess that is not fashionable. Brighton recently celebrated Pride, so maybe all those who joined in the celebrations should spare a thought for the appalling treatment of gay men and women in Arab countries, where torture and executions are widespread, as well as the terrible treatment of women. Stonings and beheadings are frequent. No mention of protest or boycott there. Meanwhile the rockets continue from Gaza. No criticism from the Greens there. I wonder why.[/p][/quote]If you want to protest against Saudi Arabia, go on no ones stopping you. This is a proper democracy where you can protest about these things if you wish. Oh I see you're trying the boring old worn out argument that a focus on Israel is somehow due to anti semitism because so many other bad things happen in the world and nobody says anything. Well for a start it isn't true that people don't protest about the situation in Syria Iraq and so on. But the main point is that in almost every other situation in the world where bad things are happening we can rely on our government to act as we would wish, ie to put sanctions in place or provide aid or in a last resort take military action. Apart from Israel of course. When Israel is involved our government consistently refuses to do anything, hence the need to put pressure on our government to stop allowing Israel to steal the Palestinians land and escape any consequences for their killing of civilians. Whether you like it or not, more and more people in this country are sick of Israels actions and no longer wish to see our government actively aiding an increasingly right wing and racist Israeli regime. Our government is increasingly out of step with how people feel on this issue. As the pro Israelis see support slipping away, they get increasingly desperate and the usual accusations of anti semitism are thrown up to obscure the real issues. You should read the recent BBC article on whether there has actually been a rise in anti Semitic incidents. When pro Israeli organisations like the Community Security Trust and the ADL are making such claims they should be treated with caution. Here is a list of articles based on info provided by the CST, it's not hard to see a pattern. Douglas Davies, British Jews fear they may be the next Neo-Nazi target, The Jerusalem Post, 27-April-1999 JTA, Attacks on British Jews Soar, The Jerusalem Post, 5-February-2001 Keith Poole, Increase in number of race attacks on Jews in Britain, The Evening Standard (London), 17-April-2002 David Smith, Attacks on Jews soar in Britain, The Express, 17-April-2002 Marie Woolf, Attacks on Jews increase by 15% in a year, The Independent, 21-February-2003 News, War fuels rise in Anti-Semitism, The Express, 3-May-2003 Harvey McGavin, Anti-Semitic Attacks Rise, The Independent, 16-February-2004 Jason Benetto, Anti-Semitic assaults near record levels, The Independent, 20-February-2004 Jamie Doward, Jews predict record level of hate attacks, The Observer, 8-August-2004 Rosie Cowan, Fear as attacks on Jews increase, The Guardian, 21-January-2005 Neville Dean, Attacks on Jews at record levels, Press Association, 10-February-2005 Lawrence Marzouk, Attacks on Jews increase by 50 per cent, This is Local London, 18-February-2005 News, Anti-Jewish feeling at an all-time high, The Express, 7-February-2006 Jason Benetto, Anti-Semitic abuse rises after Harry's high-profile Nazi gaffe, The Independent, 3-February-2006 Joanna Bale and Anthony Browne, Attacks on Jews soar since Lebanon, The Times, 2-September-2006 Steve Doughty, Anti-Jewish attacks soar inbacklashover Mid-East bloodshed, The Daily Mail, 2-February-2007 Gabriel Milland, Shocking rise in Anti-Semitism, The Express, 18-July-2007 David Pallister, Crime: Rise in number of violent attacks on Jews in the UK, The Guardian, 15-February-2008 Emily Dugan, Anti-Semitic violence nears record level, The Independent, 17-May-2008 Pg.11, Anti-Semitic Attacks Soar, The Daily Mail, 7-January-2009 Mark Townsend, National: RACISM: Rise in antisemitic attacks 'the worst recorded in Britain in decades', The Observer, 8-February-2009 News Pg. 11, Attacks on Jews Rise, The Times, 25-July-2009 John Twomey, Hate attacks on Jewish targets hit record high, The Express, 5-February-2010 It's also a fact that Micheal Gove handed the CST £2 million of our money recently to be used to provide security at Jewish schools, why not just use the police? David Cameron professed his undying support for Israel at a recent CST function, so in short it's clear that our government won't be trying to hold Israel to account any time soon. It's just a shame that some of those who support the Palestinian cause are such annoying twits, like Ben Duncan and Tony Greenstein. Yet again you are trying to suggest that anyone who criticises Israel is some how anti Semitic, well that doesn't wash anymore. Israel is not the victim here, Israel is the aggressor. It's the Palestinians who should have a right to exercise a right of self defence not Israel.[/p][/quote]what a load of tosh tinker111
  • Score: -10

10:55am Fri 22 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

Duncan supports Pride and everything associated with it.

Perhaps he should help organise something similar in Gaza?

I'm sure the Palestinians would welcome everyone with open....er.....grave
s.

He's trying to curry favour among the local electorate after having had a new one torn over the 'hired killers' tweet. He's seen how unpopular Israel is around here. He seems to think that 200 protesters somehow represent this city...........they don't.
Duncan supports Pride and everything associated with it. Perhaps he should help organise something similar in Gaza? I'm sure the Palestinians would welcome everyone with open....er.....grave s. He's trying to curry favour among the local electorate after having had a new one torn over the 'hired killers' tweet. He's seen how unpopular Israel is around here. He seems to think that 200 protesters somehow represent this city...........they don't. notslimjim
  • Score: 32

11:07am Fri 22 Aug 14

LargeAndInCharge says...

JHunty wrote:
hoveguyactually wrote:
And how about a boycott against Saudi Arabia, one of the cruellest regimes in the world? But I guess that is not fashionable.
Brighton recently celebrated Pride, so maybe all those who joined in the celebrations should spare a thought for the appalling treatment of gay men and women in Arab countries, where torture and executions are widespread, as well as the terrible treatment of women. Stonings and beheadings are frequent. No mention of protest or boycott there.
Meanwhile the rockets continue from Gaza. No criticism from the Greens there. I wonder why.
If you want to protest against Saudi Arabia, go on no ones stopping you. This is a proper democracy where you can protest about these things if you wish. Oh I see you're trying the boring old worn out argument that a focus on Israel is somehow due to anti semitism because so many other bad things happen in the world and nobody says anything. Well for a start it isn't true that people don't protest about the situation in Syria Iraq and so on. But the main point is that in almost every other situation in the world where bad things are happening we can rely on our government to act as we would wish, ie to put sanctions in place or provide aid or in a last resort take military action. Apart from Israel of course. When Israel is involved our government consistently refuses to do anything, hence the need to put pressure on our government to stop allowing Israel to steal the Palestinians land and escape any consequences for their killing of civilians.
Whether you like it or not, more and more people in this country are sick of Israels actions and no longer wish to see our government actively aiding an increasingly right wing and racist Israeli regime. Our government is increasingly out of step with how people feel on this issue.

As the pro Israelis see support slipping away, they get increasingly desperate and the usual accusations of anti semitism are thrown up to obscure the real issues. You should read the recent BBC article on whether there has actually been a rise in anti Semitic incidents.


When pro Israeli organisations like the Community Security Trust and the ADL are making such claims they should be treated with caution.

Here is a list of articles based on info provided by the CST, it's not hard to see a pattern.

Douglas Davies, British Jews fear they may be the next Neo-Nazi target, The Jerusalem Post, 27-April-1999
JTA, Attacks on British Jews Soar, The Jerusalem Post, 5-February-2001
Keith Poole, Increase in number of race attacks on Jews in Britain, The Evening Standard (London), 17-April-2002
David Smith, Attacks on Jews soar in Britain, The Express, 17-April-2002
Marie Woolf, Attacks on Jews increase by 15% in a year, The Independent, 21-February-2003
News, War fuels rise in Anti-Semitism, The Express, 3-May-2003
Harvey McGavin, Anti-Semitic Attacks Rise, The Independent, 16-February-2004
Jason Benetto, Anti-Semitic assaults near record levels, The Independent, 20-February-2004
Jamie Doward, Jews predict record level of hate attacks, The Observer, 8-August-2004
Rosie Cowan, Fear as attacks on Jews increase, The Guardian, 21-January-2005
Neville Dean, Attacks on Jews at record levels, Press Association, 10-February-2005
Lawrence Marzouk, Attacks on Jews increase by 50 per cent, This is Local London, 18-February-2005
News, Anti-Jewish feeling at an all-time high, The Express, 7-February-2006
Jason Benetto, Anti-Semitic abuse rises after Harry's high-profile Nazi gaffe, The Independent, 3-February-2006
Joanna Bale and Anthony Browne, Attacks on Jews soar since Lebanon, The Times, 2-September-2006
Steve Doughty, Anti-Jewish attacks soar inbacklashover Mid-East bloodshed, The Daily Mail, 2-February-2007
Gabriel Milland, Shocking rise in Anti-Semitism, The Express, 18-July-2007
David Pallister, Crime: Rise in number of violent attacks on Jews in the UK, The Guardian, 15-February-2008
Emily Dugan, Anti-Semitic violence nears record level, The Independent, 17-May-2008
Pg.11, Anti-Semitic Attacks Soar, The Daily Mail, 7-January-2009
Mark Townsend, National: RACISM: Rise in antisemitic attacks 'the worst recorded in Britain in decades', The Observer, 8-February-2009
News Pg. 11, Attacks on Jews Rise, The Times, 25-July-2009
John Twomey, Hate attacks on Jewish targets hit record high, The Express, 5-February-2010

It's also a fact that Micheal Gove handed the CST £2 million of our money recently to be used to provide security at Jewish schools, why not just use the police? David Cameron professed his undying support for Israel at a recent CST function, so in short it's clear that our government won't be trying to hold Israel to account any time soon.

It's just a shame that some of those who support the Palestinian cause are such annoying twits, like Ben Duncan and Tony Greenstein.

Yet again you are trying to suggest that anyone who criticises Israel is some how anti Semitic, well that doesn't wash anymore. Israel is not the victim here, Israel is the aggressor. It's the Palestinians who should have a right to exercise a right of self defence not Israel.
Spot on. Israel are completely untouchable as far as the the US and EU are concerned. Now i'm not saying that Russia are angels, but if they do the slightest thing they get threatened with all sorts of sanctions. If Russia behaved like Israel does, the US and EU would be declaring World War III.
[quote][p][bold]JHunty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoveguyactually[/bold] wrote: And how about a boycott against Saudi Arabia, one of the cruellest regimes in the world? But I guess that is not fashionable. Brighton recently celebrated Pride, so maybe all those who joined in the celebrations should spare a thought for the appalling treatment of gay men and women in Arab countries, where torture and executions are widespread, as well as the terrible treatment of women. Stonings and beheadings are frequent. No mention of protest or boycott there. Meanwhile the rockets continue from Gaza. No criticism from the Greens there. I wonder why.[/p][/quote]If you want to protest against Saudi Arabia, go on no ones stopping you. This is a proper democracy where you can protest about these things if you wish. Oh I see you're trying the boring old worn out argument that a focus on Israel is somehow due to anti semitism because so many other bad things happen in the world and nobody says anything. Well for a start it isn't true that people don't protest about the situation in Syria Iraq and so on. But the main point is that in almost every other situation in the world where bad things are happening we can rely on our government to act as we would wish, ie to put sanctions in place or provide aid or in a last resort take military action. Apart from Israel of course. When Israel is involved our government consistently refuses to do anything, hence the need to put pressure on our government to stop allowing Israel to steal the Palestinians land and escape any consequences for their killing of civilians. Whether you like it or not, more and more people in this country are sick of Israels actions and no longer wish to see our government actively aiding an increasingly right wing and racist Israeli regime. Our government is increasingly out of step with how people feel on this issue. As the pro Israelis see support slipping away, they get increasingly desperate and the usual accusations of anti semitism are thrown up to obscure the real issues. You should read the recent BBC article on whether there has actually been a rise in anti Semitic incidents. When pro Israeli organisations like the Community Security Trust and the ADL are making such claims they should be treated with caution. Here is a list of articles based on info provided by the CST, it's not hard to see a pattern. Douglas Davies, British Jews fear they may be the next Neo-Nazi target, The Jerusalem Post, 27-April-1999 JTA, Attacks on British Jews Soar, The Jerusalem Post, 5-February-2001 Keith Poole, Increase in number of race attacks on Jews in Britain, The Evening Standard (London), 17-April-2002 David Smith, Attacks on Jews soar in Britain, The Express, 17-April-2002 Marie Woolf, Attacks on Jews increase by 15% in a year, The Independent, 21-February-2003 News, War fuels rise in Anti-Semitism, The Express, 3-May-2003 Harvey McGavin, Anti-Semitic Attacks Rise, The Independent, 16-February-2004 Jason Benetto, Anti-Semitic assaults near record levels, The Independent, 20-February-2004 Jamie Doward, Jews predict record level of hate attacks, The Observer, 8-August-2004 Rosie Cowan, Fear as attacks on Jews increase, The Guardian, 21-January-2005 Neville Dean, Attacks on Jews at record levels, Press Association, 10-February-2005 Lawrence Marzouk, Attacks on Jews increase by 50 per cent, This is Local London, 18-February-2005 News, Anti-Jewish feeling at an all-time high, The Express, 7-February-2006 Jason Benetto, Anti-Semitic abuse rises after Harry's high-profile Nazi gaffe, The Independent, 3-February-2006 Joanna Bale and Anthony Browne, Attacks on Jews soar since Lebanon, The Times, 2-September-2006 Steve Doughty, Anti-Jewish attacks soar inbacklashover Mid-East bloodshed, The Daily Mail, 2-February-2007 Gabriel Milland, Shocking rise in Anti-Semitism, The Express, 18-July-2007 David Pallister, Crime: Rise in number of violent attacks on Jews in the UK, The Guardian, 15-February-2008 Emily Dugan, Anti-Semitic violence nears record level, The Independent, 17-May-2008 Pg.11, Anti-Semitic Attacks Soar, The Daily Mail, 7-January-2009 Mark Townsend, National: RACISM: Rise in antisemitic attacks 'the worst recorded in Britain in decades', The Observer, 8-February-2009 News Pg. 11, Attacks on Jews Rise, The Times, 25-July-2009 John Twomey, Hate attacks on Jewish targets hit record high, The Express, 5-February-2010 It's also a fact that Micheal Gove handed the CST £2 million of our money recently to be used to provide security at Jewish schools, why not just use the police? David Cameron professed his undying support for Israel at a recent CST function, so in short it's clear that our government won't be trying to hold Israel to account any time soon. It's just a shame that some of those who support the Palestinian cause are such annoying twits, like Ben Duncan and Tony Greenstein. Yet again you are trying to suggest that anyone who criticises Israel is some how anti Semitic, well that doesn't wash anymore. Israel is not the victim here, Israel is the aggressor. It's the Palestinians who should have a right to exercise a right of self defence not Israel.[/p][/quote]Spot on. Israel are completely untouchable as far as the the US and EU are concerned. Now i'm not saying that Russia are angels, but if they do the slightest thing they get threatened with all sorts of sanctions. If Russia behaved like Israel does, the US and EU would be declaring World War III. LargeAndInCharge
  • Score: -17

11:51am Fri 22 Aug 14

Andy R says...

notslimjim wrote:
Duncan supports Pride and everything associated with it.

Perhaps he should help organise something similar in Gaza?

I'm sure the Palestinians would welcome everyone with open....er.....grave

s.

He's trying to curry favour among the local electorate after having had a new one torn over the 'hired killers' tweet. He's seen how unpopular Israel is around here. He seems to think that 200 protesters somehow represent this city...........they don't.
Yeah...'cos LGBT people in Gaza are so much better off with those "equal opportunties" bombs and missiles that Israel's using. They just kill everybody without fear or favour!
[quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: Duncan supports Pride and everything associated with it. Perhaps he should help organise something similar in Gaza? I'm sure the Palestinians would welcome everyone with open....er.....grave s. He's trying to curry favour among the local electorate after having had a new one torn over the 'hired killers' tweet. He's seen how unpopular Israel is around here. He seems to think that 200 protesters somehow represent this city...........they don't.[/p][/quote]Yeah...'cos LGBT people in Gaza are so much better off with those "equal opportunties" bombs and missiles that Israel's using. They just kill everybody without fear or favour! Andy R
  • Score: -3

11:51am Fri 22 Aug 14

ThinkBrighton says...

Does Ben Duncan go out of his way to be a moron, of does it come naturally.
Roll on next May, he will be out for sure, the one thing the people of Brighton will not stand for is a biggoted fool
Does Ben Duncan go out of his way to be a moron, of does it come naturally. Roll on next May, he will be out for sure, the one thing the people of Brighton will not stand for is a biggoted fool ThinkBrighton
  • Score: 34

11:55am Fri 22 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

ThinkBrighton wrote:
Does Ben Duncan go out of his way to be a moron, of does it come naturally.
Roll on next May, he will be out for sure, the one thing the people of Brighton will not stand for is a biggoted fool
He's standing for re-election, so he's appealing to the idiots who voted him in last time.
[quote][p][bold]ThinkBrighton[/bold] wrote: Does Ben Duncan go out of his way to be a moron, of does it come naturally. Roll on next May, he will be out for sure, the one thing the people of Brighton will not stand for is a biggoted fool[/p][/quote]He's standing for re-election, so he's appealing to the idiots who voted him in last time. notslimjim
  • Score: 13

11:57am Fri 22 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

Andy R wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
Duncan supports Pride and everything associated with it.

Perhaps he should help organise something similar in Gaza?

I'm sure the Palestinians would welcome everyone with open....er.....grave


s.

He's trying to curry favour among the local electorate after having had a new one torn over the 'hired killers' tweet. He's seen how unpopular Israel is around here. He seems to think that 200 protesters somehow represent this city...........they don't.
Yeah...'cos LGBT people in Gaza are so much better off with those "equal opportunties" bombs and missiles that Israel's using. They just kill everybody without fear or favour!
I was talking about the fact that muslims hate homosexuality.

That simple point sailed right past you.......just like many others do.

Have you ever considered not making yourself look stupid in public?
[quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: Duncan supports Pride and everything associated with it. Perhaps he should help organise something similar in Gaza? I'm sure the Palestinians would welcome everyone with open....er.....grave s. He's trying to curry favour among the local electorate after having had a new one torn over the 'hired killers' tweet. He's seen how unpopular Israel is around here. He seems to think that 200 protesters somehow represent this city...........they don't.[/p][/quote]Yeah...'cos LGBT people in Gaza are so much better off with those "equal opportunties" bombs and missiles that Israel's using. They just kill everybody without fear or favour![/p][/quote]I was talking about the fact that muslims hate homosexuality. That simple point sailed right past you.......just like many others do. Have you ever considered not making yourself look stupid in public? notslimjim
  • Score: 11

11:58am Fri 22 Aug 14

mhaiti says...

ThinkBrighton wrote:
Does Ben Duncan go out of his way to be a moron, of does it come naturally. Roll on next May, he will be out for sure, the one thing the people of Brighton will not stand for is a biggoted fool
Just a question, I can't work out what he has said above that makes him a bigot ? Can you explain?
[quote][p][bold]ThinkBrighton[/bold] wrote: Does Ben Duncan go out of his way to be a moron, of does it come naturally. Roll on next May, he will be out for sure, the one thing the people of Brighton will not stand for is a biggoted fool[/p][/quote]Just a question, I can't work out what he has said above that makes him a bigot ? Can you explain? mhaiti
  • Score: -9

12:02pm Fri 22 Aug 14

Andy R says...

"Muslims hate homosexuality", says Stevo - the man who has stated on this site that "gay people need to realise that most people find their activities repulsive".
"Muslims hate homosexuality", says Stevo - the man who has stated on this site that "gay people need to realise that most people find their activities repulsive". Andy R
  • Score: 9

12:05pm Fri 22 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

Andy R wrote:
"Muslims hate homosexuality", says Stevo - the man who has stated on this site that "gay people need to realise that most people find their activities repulsive".
No, I wrote that, Andy "All Indians are child rapists" R.

Try and get your facts right, and try and keep your racism to yourself.

"gay people need to realise that most people find their activities repulsive"

Yes, they do need to realise that.
[quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: "Muslims hate homosexuality", says Stevo - the man who has stated on this site that "gay people need to realise that most people find their activities repulsive".[/p][/quote]No, I wrote that, Andy "All Indians are child rapists" R. Try and get your facts right, and try and keep your racism to yourself. "gay people need to realise that most people find their activities repulsive" Yes, they do need to realise that. notslimjim
  • Score: -8

12:07pm Fri 22 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

Nosfaratu wrote:
JHunty wrote:
hoveguyactually wrote:
And how about a boycott against Saudi Arabia, one of the cruellest regimes in the world? But I guess that is not fashionable.
Brighton recently celebrated Pride, so maybe all those who joined in the celebrations should spare a thought for the appalling treatment of gay men and women in Arab countries, where torture and executions are widespread, as well as the terrible treatment of women. Stonings and beheadings are frequent. No mention of protest or boycott there.
Meanwhile the rockets continue from Gaza. No criticism from the Greens there. I wonder why.
If you want to protest against Saudi Arabia, go on no ones stopping you. This is a proper democracy where you can protest about these things if you wish. Oh I see you're trying the boring old worn out argument that a focus on Israel is somehow due to anti semitism because so many other bad things happen in the world and nobody says anything. Well for a start it isn't true that people don't protest about the situation in Syria Iraq and so on. But the main point is that in almost every other situation in the world where bad things are happening we can rely on our government to act as we would wish, ie to put sanctions in place or provide aid or in a last resort take military action. Apart from Israel of course. When Israel is involved our government consistently refuses to do anything, hence the need to put pressure on our government to stop allowing Israel to steal the Palestinians land and escape any consequences for their killing of civilians.
Whether you like it or not, more and more people in this country are sick of Israels actions and no longer wish to see our government actively aiding an increasingly right wing and racist Israeli regime. Our government is increasingly out of step with how people feel on this issue.

As the pro Israelis see support slipping away, they get increasingly desperate and the usual accusations of anti semitism are thrown up to obscure the real issues. You should read the recent BBC article on whether there has actually been a rise in anti Semitic incidents.


When pro Israeli organisations like the Community Security Trust and the ADL are making such claims they should be treated with caution.

Here is a list of articles based on info provided by the CST, it's not hard to see a pattern.

Douglas Davies, British Jews fear they may be the next Neo-Nazi target, The Jerusalem Post, 27-April-1999
JTA, Attacks on British Jews Soar, The Jerusalem Post, 5-February-2001
Keith Poole, Increase in number of race attacks on Jews in Britain, The Evening Standard (London), 17-April-2002
David Smith, Attacks on Jews soar in Britain, The Express, 17-April-2002
Marie Woolf, Attacks on Jews increase by 15% in a year, The Independent, 21-February-2003
News, War fuels rise in Anti-Semitism, The Express, 3-May-2003
Harvey McGavin, Anti-Semitic Attacks Rise, The Independent, 16-February-2004
Jason Benetto, Anti-Semitic assaults near record levels, The Independent, 20-February-2004
Jamie Doward, Jews predict record level of hate attacks, The Observer, 8-August-2004
Rosie Cowan, Fear as attacks on Jews increase, The Guardian, 21-January-2005
Neville Dean, Attacks on Jews at record levels, Press Association, 10-February-2005
Lawrence Marzouk, Attacks on Jews increase by 50 per cent, This is Local London, 18-February-2005
News, Anti-Jewish feeling at an all-time high, The Express, 7-February-2006
Jason Benetto, Anti-Semitic abuse rises after Harry's high-profile Nazi gaffe, The Independent, 3-February-2006
Joanna Bale and Anthony Browne, Attacks on Jews soar since Lebanon, The Times, 2-September-2006
Steve Doughty, Anti-Jewish attacks soar inbacklashover Mid-East bloodshed, The Daily Mail, 2-February-2007
Gabriel Milland, Shocking rise in Anti-Semitism, The Express, 18-July-2007
David Pallister, Crime: Rise in number of violent attacks on Jews in the UK, The Guardian, 15-February-2008
Emily Dugan, Anti-Semitic violence nears record level, The Independent, 17-May-2008
Pg.11, Anti-Semitic Attacks Soar, The Daily Mail, 7-January-2009
Mark Townsend, National: RACISM: Rise in antisemitic attacks 'the worst recorded in Britain in decades', The Observer, 8-February-2009
News Pg. 11, Attacks on Jews Rise, The Times, 25-July-2009
John Twomey, Hate attacks on Jewish targets hit record high, The Express, 5-February-2010

It's also a fact that Micheal Gove handed the CST £2 million of our money recently to be used to provide security at Jewish schools, why not just use the police? David Cameron professed his undying support for Israel at a recent CST function, so in short it's clear that our government won't be trying to hold Israel to account any time soon.

It's just a shame that some of those who support the Palestinian cause are such annoying twits, like Ben Duncan and Tony Greenstein.

Yet again you are trying to suggest that anyone who criticises Israel is some how anti Semitic, well that doesn't wash anymore. Israel is not the victim here, Israel is the aggressor. It's the Palestinians who should have a right to exercise a right of self defence not Israel.
Shame then that HAMAS should continue to fire rockets into Israel knowing that the consensus of opinion is on their side.

Why would you intimidate the Israelis so they killed (innocent) civilians other than to get the sympathy vote.
Instead of building tunnels to commit murder build a society that can reason without using AK47's.
I must point out that Fatah supporters will also be shelling Israel.
[quote][p][bold]Nosfaratu[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JHunty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoveguyactually[/bold] wrote: And how about a boycott against Saudi Arabia, one of the cruellest regimes in the world? But I guess that is not fashionable. Brighton recently celebrated Pride, so maybe all those who joined in the celebrations should spare a thought for the appalling treatment of gay men and women in Arab countries, where torture and executions are widespread, as well as the terrible treatment of women. Stonings and beheadings are frequent. No mention of protest or boycott there. Meanwhile the rockets continue from Gaza. No criticism from the Greens there. I wonder why.[/p][/quote]If you want to protest against Saudi Arabia, go on no ones stopping you. This is a proper democracy where you can protest about these things if you wish. Oh I see you're trying the boring old worn out argument that a focus on Israel is somehow due to anti semitism because so many other bad things happen in the world and nobody says anything. Well for a start it isn't true that people don't protest about the situation in Syria Iraq and so on. But the main point is that in almost every other situation in the world where bad things are happening we can rely on our government to act as we would wish, ie to put sanctions in place or provide aid or in a last resort take military action. Apart from Israel of course. When Israel is involved our government consistently refuses to do anything, hence the need to put pressure on our government to stop allowing Israel to steal the Palestinians land and escape any consequences for their killing of civilians. Whether you like it or not, more and more people in this country are sick of Israels actions and no longer wish to see our government actively aiding an increasingly right wing and racist Israeli regime. Our government is increasingly out of step with how people feel on this issue. As the pro Israelis see support slipping away, they get increasingly desperate and the usual accusations of anti semitism are thrown up to obscure the real issues. You should read the recent BBC article on whether there has actually been a rise in anti Semitic incidents. When pro Israeli organisations like the Community Security Trust and the ADL are making such claims they should be treated with caution. Here is a list of articles based on info provided by the CST, it's not hard to see a pattern. Douglas Davies, British Jews fear they may be the next Neo-Nazi target, The Jerusalem Post, 27-April-1999 JTA, Attacks on British Jews Soar, The Jerusalem Post, 5-February-2001 Keith Poole, Increase in number of race attacks on Jews in Britain, The Evening Standard (London), 17-April-2002 David Smith, Attacks on Jews soar in Britain, The Express, 17-April-2002 Marie Woolf, Attacks on Jews increase by 15% in a year, The Independent, 21-February-2003 News, War fuels rise in Anti-Semitism, The Express, 3-May-2003 Harvey McGavin, Anti-Semitic Attacks Rise, The Independent, 16-February-2004 Jason Benetto, Anti-Semitic assaults near record levels, The Independent, 20-February-2004 Jamie Doward, Jews predict record level of hate attacks, The Observer, 8-August-2004 Rosie Cowan, Fear as attacks on Jews increase, The Guardian, 21-January-2005 Neville Dean, Attacks on Jews at record levels, Press Association, 10-February-2005 Lawrence Marzouk, Attacks on Jews increase by 50 per cent, This is Local London, 18-February-2005 News, Anti-Jewish feeling at an all-time high, The Express, 7-February-2006 Jason Benetto, Anti-Semitic abuse rises after Harry's high-profile Nazi gaffe, The Independent, 3-February-2006 Joanna Bale and Anthony Browne, Attacks on Jews soar since Lebanon, The Times, 2-September-2006 Steve Doughty, Anti-Jewish attacks soar inbacklashover Mid-East bloodshed, The Daily Mail, 2-February-2007 Gabriel Milland, Shocking rise in Anti-Semitism, The Express, 18-July-2007 David Pallister, Crime: Rise in number of violent attacks on Jews in the UK, The Guardian, 15-February-2008 Emily Dugan, Anti-Semitic violence nears record level, The Independent, 17-May-2008 Pg.11, Anti-Semitic Attacks Soar, The Daily Mail, 7-January-2009 Mark Townsend, National: RACISM: Rise in antisemitic attacks 'the worst recorded in Britain in decades', The Observer, 8-February-2009 News Pg. 11, Attacks on Jews Rise, The Times, 25-July-2009 John Twomey, Hate attacks on Jewish targets hit record high, The Express, 5-February-2010 It's also a fact that Micheal Gove handed the CST £2 million of our money recently to be used to provide security at Jewish schools, why not just use the police? David Cameron professed his undying support for Israel at a recent CST function, so in short it's clear that our government won't be trying to hold Israel to account any time soon. It's just a shame that some of those who support the Palestinian cause are such annoying twits, like Ben Duncan and Tony Greenstein. Yet again you are trying to suggest that anyone who criticises Israel is some how anti Semitic, well that doesn't wash anymore. Israel is not the victim here, Israel is the aggressor. It's the Palestinians who should have a right to exercise a right of self defence not Israel.[/p][/quote]Shame then that HAMAS should continue to fire rockets into Israel knowing that the consensus of opinion is on their side. Why would you intimidate the Israelis so they killed (innocent) civilians other than to get the sympathy vote. Instead of building tunnels to commit murder build a society that can reason without using AK47's.[/p][/quote]I must point out that Fatah supporters will also be shelling Israel. notslimjim
  • Score: 5

12:14pm Fri 22 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

mhaiti wrote:
ThinkBrighton wrote:
Does Ben Duncan go out of his way to be a moron, of does it come naturally. Roll on next May, he will be out for sure, the one thing the people of Brighton will not stand for is a biggoted fool
Just a question, I can't work out what he has said above that makes him a bigot ? Can you explain?
He's a bigot for not tolerating the view that Israel has a perfect right to exist and to defend itself.

It also has the right to trade with those who wish to trade with it.
[quote][p][bold]mhaiti[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ThinkBrighton[/bold] wrote: Does Ben Duncan go out of his way to be a moron, of does it come naturally. Roll on next May, he will be out for sure, the one thing the people of Brighton will not stand for is a biggoted fool[/p][/quote]Just a question, I can't work out what he has said above that makes him a bigot ? Can you explain?[/p][/quote]He's a bigot for not tolerating the view that Israel has a perfect right to exist and to defend itself. It also has the right to trade with those who wish to trade with it. notslimjim
  • Score: 14

12:27pm Fri 22 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

mhaiti wrote:
Come on Argus this is a very leading headline. The call is not to boycott Israel, but to boycott goods and services that are produced and provided from illegally (under International Law) occupied territories.

This whole offensive started when 3 israeli teens were tragically killed by a group that has since been proven are not affiliated with Hamas (the political party). It was also proven that the Israeli leadership knew that they were dead and who had killed them while they were stringing along the line that they had been kidnapped and blaming Hamas. Using an example closer to home, this is like us shelling Belfast indiscriminantly following the bombing of the Grand Hotel.

I am not naive enough to believe that some elements of Hamas are not guilty of war crimes but it's the response that angers me. It is completely disproportionate, kids are being targeting (football boys on the beach), ambulances carrying victims are being targeted, hospitals and UN schools are being targeted. Where does it end?

This is not a war by any means, this is a massacre. Jailers have a responsibility for the welfare of their prisoners, Gaza is a prison and Israel is doing nothing to ensure the safety of the innocent populace (women, children, elderly and ordinary citizens).
" The call is not to boycott Israel, but to boycott goods and services that are produced and provided from illegally (under International Law) occupied territories. "

No, it isn't, so you're wrong yet again.

Here's what BDS says:

"In view of the fact that people of conscience in the international community have historically shouldered the moral responsibility to fight injustice, as exemplified in the struggle to abolish apartheid in South Africa through diverse forms of boycott, divestment and sanctions; and

Inspired by the struggle of South Africans against apartheid and in the spirit of international solidarity, moral consistency and resistance to injustice and oppression;

We, representatives of Palestinian civil society, call upon international civil society organizations and people of conscience all over the world to impose broad boycotts and implement divestment initiatives against Israel similar to those applied to South Africa in the apartheid era. We appeal to you to pressure your respective states to impose embargoes and sanctions against Israel. We also invite conscientious Israelis to support this Call, for the sake of justice and genuine peace."

Note the complete absence of specific references to goods produced 'illegally'.

"This whole offensive started when 3 israeli teens were tragically killed by a group that has since been proven are not affiliated with Hamas (the political party). "

The Hamas connection (or lack of it) is totally irrelevant.

They were killed by Palestinians from Gaza.

The daily shelling of Israel from Gaza is done by supporters of all parties, so Israel is perfectly correct in responding to them all. The fact that Hamas still argues for the destruction of the Israeli state means that its leaders will receive particular attention, especially as Hamas is a proscribed terrorist organisation.

" Using an example closer to home, this is like us shelling Belfast indiscriminantly following the bombing of the Grand Hotel."

Gaza isn't being bombed indiscriminately.

If it were, the entire region would have been flattened within two days of the start of this crisis, with no need for IDF soldiers to set one foot in Gaza.

" UN schools are being targeted. "

And so they should!

Hamas etc are using them in a way the UN did not design, and Israel is perfectly within its rights to blow them up if they are being misused.
[quote][p][bold]mhaiti[/bold] wrote: Come on Argus this is a very leading headline. The call is not to boycott Israel, but to boycott goods and services that are produced and provided from illegally (under International Law) occupied territories. This whole offensive started when 3 israeli teens were tragically killed by a group that has since been proven are not affiliated with Hamas (the political party). It was also proven that the Israeli leadership knew that they were dead and who had killed them while they were stringing along the line that they had been kidnapped and blaming Hamas. Using an example closer to home, this is like us shelling Belfast indiscriminantly following the bombing of the Grand Hotel. I am not naive enough to believe that some elements of Hamas are not guilty of war crimes but it's the response that angers me. It is completely disproportionate, kids are being targeting (football boys on the beach), ambulances carrying victims are being targeted, hospitals and UN schools are being targeted. Where does it end? This is not a war by any means, this is a massacre. Jailers have a responsibility for the welfare of their prisoners, Gaza is a prison and Israel is doing nothing to ensure the safety of the innocent populace (women, children, elderly and ordinary citizens).[/p][/quote]" The call is not to boycott Israel, but to boycott goods and services that are produced and provided from illegally (under International Law) occupied territories. " No, it isn't, so you're wrong yet again. Here's what BDS says: "In view of the fact that people of conscience in the international community have historically shouldered the moral responsibility to fight injustice, as exemplified in the struggle to abolish apartheid in South Africa through diverse forms of boycott, divestment and sanctions; and Inspired by the struggle of South Africans against apartheid and in the spirit of international solidarity, moral consistency and resistance to injustice and oppression; We, representatives of Palestinian civil society, call upon international civil society organizations and people of conscience all over the world to impose broad boycotts and implement divestment initiatives against Israel similar to those applied to South Africa in the apartheid era. We appeal to you to pressure your respective states to impose embargoes and sanctions against Israel. We also invite conscientious Israelis to support this Call, for the sake of justice and genuine peace." Note the complete absence of specific references to goods produced 'illegally'. "This whole offensive started when 3 israeli teens were tragically killed by a group that has since been proven are not affiliated with Hamas (the political party). " The Hamas connection (or lack of it) is totally irrelevant. They were killed by Palestinians from Gaza. The daily shelling of Israel from Gaza is done by supporters of all parties, so Israel is perfectly correct in responding to them all. The fact that Hamas still argues for the destruction of the Israeli state means that its leaders will receive particular attention, especially as Hamas is a proscribed terrorist organisation. " Using an example closer to home, this is like us shelling Belfast indiscriminantly following the bombing of the Grand Hotel." Gaza isn't being bombed indiscriminately. If it were, the entire region would have been flattened within two days of the start of this crisis, with no need for IDF soldiers to set one foot in Gaza. " UN schools are being targeted. " And so they should! Hamas etc are using them in a way the UN did not design, and Israel is perfectly within its rights to blow them up if they are being misused. notslimjim
  • Score: 2

12:35pm Fri 22 Aug 14

mhaiti says...

notslimjim wrote:
mhaiti wrote:
ThinkBrighton wrote: Does Ben Duncan go out of his way to be a moron, of does it come naturally. Roll on next May, he will be out for sure, the one thing the people of Brighton will not stand for is a biggoted fool
Just a question, I can't work out what he has said above that makes him a bigot ? Can you explain?
He's a bigot for not tolerating the view that Israel has a perfect right to exist and to defend itself. It also has the right to trade with those who wish to trade with it.
I can't see him saying anywhere that Israel doesn't have a right to exist.

Israel has every right to trade, but not from Internationally recognised illegally settled land.
[quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mhaiti[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ThinkBrighton[/bold] wrote: Does Ben Duncan go out of his way to be a moron, of does it come naturally. Roll on next May, he will be out for sure, the one thing the people of Brighton will not stand for is a biggoted fool[/p][/quote]Just a question, I can't work out what he has said above that makes him a bigot ? Can you explain?[/p][/quote]He's a bigot for not tolerating the view that Israel has a perfect right to exist and to defend itself. It also has the right to trade with those who wish to trade with it.[/p][/quote]I can't see him saying anywhere that Israel doesn't have a right to exist. Israel has every right to trade, but not from Internationally recognised illegally settled land. mhaiti
  • Score: -4

12:37pm Fri 22 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

mhaiti wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
mhaiti wrote:
ThinkBrighton wrote: Does Ben Duncan go out of his way to be a moron, of does it come naturally. Roll on next May, he will be out for sure, the one thing the people of Brighton will not stand for is a biggoted fool
Just a question, I can't work out what he has said above that makes him a bigot ? Can you explain?
He's a bigot for not tolerating the view that Israel has a perfect right to exist and to defend itself. It also has the right to trade with those who wish to trade with it.
I can't see him saying anywhere that Israel doesn't have a right to exist.

Israel has every right to trade, but not from Internationally recognised illegally settled land.
"Israel has every right to trade, but not from Internationally recognised illegally settled land."

But no distinction is being made, as I just proved.
[quote][p][bold]mhaiti[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mhaiti[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ThinkBrighton[/bold] wrote: Does Ben Duncan go out of his way to be a moron, of does it come naturally. Roll on next May, he will be out for sure, the one thing the people of Brighton will not stand for is a biggoted fool[/p][/quote]Just a question, I can't work out what he has said above that makes him a bigot ? Can you explain?[/p][/quote]He's a bigot for not tolerating the view that Israel has a perfect right to exist and to defend itself. It also has the right to trade with those who wish to trade with it.[/p][/quote]I can't see him saying anywhere that Israel doesn't have a right to exist. Israel has every right to trade, but not from Internationally recognised illegally settled land.[/p][/quote]"Israel has every right to trade, but not from Internationally recognised illegally settled land." But no distinction is being made, as I just proved. notslimjim
  • Score: -7

12:49pm Fri 22 Aug 14

mhaiti says...

notslimjim wrote:
mhaiti wrote: Come on Argus this is a very leading headline. The call is not to boycott Israel, but to boycott goods and services that are produced and provided from illegally (under International Law) occupied territories. This whole offensive started when 3 israeli teens were tragically killed by a group that has since been proven are not affiliated with Hamas (the political party). It was also proven that the Israeli leadership knew that they were dead and who had killed them while they were stringing along the line that they had been kidnapped and blaming Hamas. Using an example closer to home, this is like us shelling Belfast indiscriminantly following the bombing of the Grand Hotel. I am not naive enough to believe that some elements of Hamas are not guilty of war crimes but it's the response that angers me. It is completely disproportionate, kids are being targeting (football boys on the beach), ambulances carrying victims are being targeted, hospitals and UN schools are being targeted. Where does it end? This is not a war by any means, this is a massacre. Jailers have a responsibility for the welfare of their prisoners, Gaza is a prison and Israel is doing nothing to ensure the safety of the innocent populace (women, children, elderly and ordinary citizens).
" The call is not to boycott Israel, but to boycott goods and services that are produced and provided from illegally (under International Law) occupied territories. " No, it isn't, so you're wrong yet again. Here's what BDS says: "In view of the fact that people of conscience in the international community have historically shouldered the moral responsibility to fight injustice, as exemplified in the struggle to abolish apartheid in South Africa through diverse forms of boycott, divestment and sanctions; and Inspired by the struggle of South Africans against apartheid and in the spirit of international solidarity, moral consistency and resistance to injustice and oppression; We, representatives of Palestinian civil society, call upon international civil society organizations and people of conscience all over the world to impose broad boycotts and implement divestment initiatives against Israel similar to those applied to South Africa in the apartheid era. We appeal to you to pressure your respective states to impose embargoes and sanctions against Israel. We also invite conscientious Israelis to support this Call, for the sake of justice and genuine peace." Note the complete absence of specific references to goods produced 'illegally'. "This whole offensive started when 3 israeli teens were tragically killed by a group that has since been proven are not affiliated with Hamas (the political party). " The Hamas connection (or lack of it) is totally irrelevant. They were killed by Palestinians from Gaza. The daily shelling of Israel from Gaza is done by supporters of all parties, so Israel is perfectly correct in responding to them all. The fact that Hamas still argues for the destruction of the Israeli state means that its leaders will receive particular attention, especially as Hamas is a proscribed terrorist organisation. " Using an example closer to home, this is like us shelling Belfast indiscriminantly following the bombing of the Grand Hotel." Gaza isn't being bombed indiscriminately. If it were, the entire region would have been flattened within two days of the start of this crisis, with no need for IDF soldiers to set one foot in Gaza. " UN schools are being targeted. " And so they should! Hamas etc are using them in a way the UN did not design, and Israel is perfectly within its rights to blow them up if they are being misused.
"And so they should"

Really? You heartless fool, there are CHILDREN in those schools, children who haven't fired a rocket at a multi billion dollar defense shield causing absolutely no damage, or thrown a stone. Children who were born in a prison with barely enough food to keep them from starvation, no prospects of education or careers. Children who haven't done anything to justify their murder.
[quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mhaiti[/bold] wrote: Come on Argus this is a very leading headline. The call is not to boycott Israel, but to boycott goods and services that are produced and provided from illegally (under International Law) occupied territories. This whole offensive started when 3 israeli teens were tragically killed by a group that has since been proven are not affiliated with Hamas (the political party). It was also proven that the Israeli leadership knew that they were dead and who had killed them while they were stringing along the line that they had been kidnapped and blaming Hamas. Using an example closer to home, this is like us shelling Belfast indiscriminantly following the bombing of the Grand Hotel. I am not naive enough to believe that some elements of Hamas are not guilty of war crimes but it's the response that angers me. It is completely disproportionate, kids are being targeting (football boys on the beach), ambulances carrying victims are being targeted, hospitals and UN schools are being targeted. Where does it end? This is not a war by any means, this is a massacre. Jailers have a responsibility for the welfare of their prisoners, Gaza is a prison and Israel is doing nothing to ensure the safety of the innocent populace (women, children, elderly and ordinary citizens).[/p][/quote]" The call is not to boycott Israel, but to boycott goods and services that are produced and provided from illegally (under International Law) occupied territories. " No, it isn't, so you're wrong yet again. Here's what BDS says: "In view of the fact that people of conscience in the international community have historically shouldered the moral responsibility to fight injustice, as exemplified in the struggle to abolish apartheid in South Africa through diverse forms of boycott, divestment and sanctions; and Inspired by the struggle of South Africans against apartheid and in the spirit of international solidarity, moral consistency and resistance to injustice and oppression; We, representatives of Palestinian civil society, call upon international civil society organizations and people of conscience all over the world to impose broad boycotts and implement divestment initiatives against Israel similar to those applied to South Africa in the apartheid era. We appeal to you to pressure your respective states to impose embargoes and sanctions against Israel. We also invite conscientious Israelis to support this Call, for the sake of justice and genuine peace." Note the complete absence of specific references to goods produced 'illegally'. "This whole offensive started when 3 israeli teens were tragically killed by a group that has since been proven are not affiliated with Hamas (the political party). " The Hamas connection (or lack of it) is totally irrelevant. They were killed by Palestinians from Gaza. The daily shelling of Israel from Gaza is done by supporters of all parties, so Israel is perfectly correct in responding to them all. The fact that Hamas still argues for the destruction of the Israeli state means that its leaders will receive particular attention, especially as Hamas is a proscribed terrorist organisation. " Using an example closer to home, this is like us shelling Belfast indiscriminantly following the bombing of the Grand Hotel." Gaza isn't being bombed indiscriminately. If it were, the entire region would have been flattened within two days of the start of this crisis, with no need for IDF soldiers to set one foot in Gaza. " UN schools are being targeted. " And so they should! Hamas etc are using them in a way the UN did not design, and Israel is perfectly within its rights to blow them up if they are being misused.[/p][/quote]"And so they should" Really? You heartless fool, there are CHILDREN in those schools, children who haven't fired a rocket at a multi billion dollar defense shield causing absolutely no damage, or thrown a stone. Children who were born in a prison with barely enough food to keep them from starvation, no prospects of education or careers. Children who haven't done anything to justify their murder. mhaiti
  • Score: -3

12:52pm Fri 22 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

mhaiti wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
mhaiti wrote: Come on Argus this is a very leading headline. The call is not to boycott Israel, but to boycott goods and services that are produced and provided from illegally (under International Law) occupied territories. This whole offensive started when 3 israeli teens were tragically killed by a group that has since been proven are not affiliated with Hamas (the political party). It was also proven that the Israeli leadership knew that they were dead and who had killed them while they were stringing along the line that they had been kidnapped and blaming Hamas. Using an example closer to home, this is like us shelling Belfast indiscriminantly following the bombing of the Grand Hotel. I am not naive enough to believe that some elements of Hamas are not guilty of war crimes but it's the response that angers me. It is completely disproportionate, kids are being targeting (football boys on the beach), ambulances carrying victims are being targeted, hospitals and UN schools are being targeted. Where does it end? This is not a war by any means, this is a massacre. Jailers have a responsibility for the welfare of their prisoners, Gaza is a prison and Israel is doing nothing to ensure the safety of the innocent populace (women, children, elderly and ordinary citizens).
" The call is not to boycott Israel, but to boycott goods and services that are produced and provided from illegally (under International Law) occupied territories. " No, it isn't, so you're wrong yet again. Here's what BDS says: "In view of the fact that people of conscience in the international community have historically shouldered the moral responsibility to fight injustice, as exemplified in the struggle to abolish apartheid in South Africa through diverse forms of boycott, divestment and sanctions; and Inspired by the struggle of South Africans against apartheid and in the spirit of international solidarity, moral consistency and resistance to injustice and oppression; We, representatives of Palestinian civil society, call upon international civil society organizations and people of conscience all over the world to impose broad boycotts and implement divestment initiatives against Israel similar to those applied to South Africa in the apartheid era. We appeal to you to pressure your respective states to impose embargoes and sanctions against Israel. We also invite conscientious Israelis to support this Call, for the sake of justice and genuine peace." Note the complete absence of specific references to goods produced 'illegally'. "This whole offensive started when 3 israeli teens were tragically killed by a group that has since been proven are not affiliated with Hamas (the political party). " The Hamas connection (or lack of it) is totally irrelevant. They were killed by Palestinians from Gaza. The daily shelling of Israel from Gaza is done by supporters of all parties, so Israel is perfectly correct in responding to them all. The fact that Hamas still argues for the destruction of the Israeli state means that its leaders will receive particular attention, especially as Hamas is a proscribed terrorist organisation. " Using an example closer to home, this is like us shelling Belfast indiscriminantly following the bombing of the Grand Hotel." Gaza isn't being bombed indiscriminately. If it were, the entire region would have been flattened within two days of the start of this crisis, with no need for IDF soldiers to set one foot in Gaza. " UN schools are being targeted. " And so they should! Hamas etc are using them in a way the UN did not design, and Israel is perfectly within its rights to blow them up if they are being misused.
"And so they should"

Really? You heartless fool, there are CHILDREN in those schools, children who haven't fired a rocket at a multi billion dollar defense shield causing absolutely no damage, or thrown a stone. Children who were born in a prison with barely enough food to keep them from starvation, no prospects of education or careers. Children who haven't done anything to justify their murder.
"Really? You heartless fool, there are CHILDREN in those schools, children who haven't fired a rocket at a multi billion dollar defense shield causing absolutely no damage, or thrown a stone. Children who were born in a prison with barely enough food to keep them from starvation, no prospects of education or careers. Children who haven't done anything to justify their murder."

They shouldn't be there.

In fact, Hamas places them in danger, yet you don't seem to have a problem with that.
[quote][p][bold]mhaiti[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mhaiti[/bold] wrote: Come on Argus this is a very leading headline. The call is not to boycott Israel, but to boycott goods and services that are produced and provided from illegally (under International Law) occupied territories. This whole offensive started when 3 israeli teens were tragically killed by a group that has since been proven are not affiliated with Hamas (the political party). It was also proven that the Israeli leadership knew that they were dead and who had killed them while they were stringing along the line that they had been kidnapped and blaming Hamas. Using an example closer to home, this is like us shelling Belfast indiscriminantly following the bombing of the Grand Hotel. I am not naive enough to believe that some elements of Hamas are not guilty of war crimes but it's the response that angers me. It is completely disproportionate, kids are being targeting (football boys on the beach), ambulances carrying victims are being targeted, hospitals and UN schools are being targeted. Where does it end? This is not a war by any means, this is a massacre. Jailers have a responsibility for the welfare of their prisoners, Gaza is a prison and Israel is doing nothing to ensure the safety of the innocent populace (women, children, elderly and ordinary citizens).[/p][/quote]" The call is not to boycott Israel, but to boycott goods and services that are produced and provided from illegally (under International Law) occupied territories. " No, it isn't, so you're wrong yet again. Here's what BDS says: "In view of the fact that people of conscience in the international community have historically shouldered the moral responsibility to fight injustice, as exemplified in the struggle to abolish apartheid in South Africa through diverse forms of boycott, divestment and sanctions; and Inspired by the struggle of South Africans against apartheid and in the spirit of international solidarity, moral consistency and resistance to injustice and oppression; We, representatives of Palestinian civil society, call upon international civil society organizations and people of conscience all over the world to impose broad boycotts and implement divestment initiatives against Israel similar to those applied to South Africa in the apartheid era. We appeal to you to pressure your respective states to impose embargoes and sanctions against Israel. We also invite conscientious Israelis to support this Call, for the sake of justice and genuine peace." Note the complete absence of specific references to goods produced 'illegally'. "This whole offensive started when 3 israeli teens were tragically killed by a group that has since been proven are not affiliated with Hamas (the political party). " The Hamas connection (or lack of it) is totally irrelevant. They were killed by Palestinians from Gaza. The daily shelling of Israel from Gaza is done by supporters of all parties, so Israel is perfectly correct in responding to them all. The fact that Hamas still argues for the destruction of the Israeli state means that its leaders will receive particular attention, especially as Hamas is a proscribed terrorist organisation. " Using an example closer to home, this is like us shelling Belfast indiscriminantly following the bombing of the Grand Hotel." Gaza isn't being bombed indiscriminately. If it were, the entire region would have been flattened within two days of the start of this crisis, with no need for IDF soldiers to set one foot in Gaza. " UN schools are being targeted. " And so they should! Hamas etc are using them in a way the UN did not design, and Israel is perfectly within its rights to blow them up if they are being misused.[/p][/quote]"And so they should" Really? You heartless fool, there are CHILDREN in those schools, children who haven't fired a rocket at a multi billion dollar defense shield causing absolutely no damage, or thrown a stone. Children who were born in a prison with barely enough food to keep them from starvation, no prospects of education or careers. Children who haven't done anything to justify their murder.[/p][/quote]"Really? You heartless fool, there are CHILDREN in those schools, children who haven't fired a rocket at a multi billion dollar defense shield causing absolutely no damage, or thrown a stone. Children who were born in a prison with barely enough food to keep them from starvation, no prospects of education or careers. Children who haven't done anything to justify their murder." They shouldn't be there. In fact, Hamas places them in danger, yet you don't seem to have a problem with that. notslimjim
  • Score: 13

12:54pm Fri 22 Aug 14

robinxx says...

As a newcomer to Brighton and Hove I applaud the general tolerance shown to most sections of society. I am however appalled by the very anti-semitic attitude of people from all sections of society here. The weekly protests outside Soda Stream by the neo nasty Palestian Supporters in collusion with Sussex Police, Caroline Lucas and local councillors in order to close the shop down was in fact a state sponsored campaign of bullying and harrasment which Nazi Germany would have been proud of.

Shame on you Brighton and Hove.
As a newcomer to Brighton and Hove I applaud the general tolerance shown to most sections of society. I am however appalled by the very anti-semitic attitude of people from all sections of society here. The weekly protests outside Soda Stream by the neo nasty Palestian Supporters in collusion with Sussex Police, Caroline Lucas and local councillors in order to close the shop down was in fact a state sponsored campaign of bullying and harrasment which Nazi Germany would have been proud of. Shame on you Brighton and Hove. robinxx
  • Score: 16

1:06pm Fri 22 Aug 14

mhaiti says...

robinxx wrote:
As a newcomer to Brighton and Hove I applaud the general tolerance shown to most sections of society. I am however appalled by the very anti-semitic attitude of people from all sections of society here. The weekly protests outside Soda Stream by the neo nasty Palestian Supporters in collusion with Sussex Police, Caroline Lucas and local councillors in order to close the shop down was in fact a state sponsored campaign of bullying and harrasment which Nazi Germany would have been proud of. Shame on you Brighton and Hove.
With all due respect, my comments are not anti-semitic and I resent the implication. What I am against is illegal Israeli settlements and the current an dhistoric treatment of innocent Palesitinian citizens. There has to be a distinction.

In 2013, the UN adopted a 21 resolutions singling out
Israel's treatment of the Palestinians in Gaza. To put this into context, the adopted 4 resolutions that year for the rest of the world combined.

If the campaign to end illegal settlements and the horrific things that are happening in Gaza was anti-semitic, why do so many Jews turn out for the protest marches in London and Jewish academics call out for an end to the atrocious treatement of Palestinians.
[quote][p][bold]robinxx[/bold] wrote: As a newcomer to Brighton and Hove I applaud the general tolerance shown to most sections of society. I am however appalled by the very anti-semitic attitude of people from all sections of society here. The weekly protests outside Soda Stream by the neo nasty Palestian Supporters in collusion with Sussex Police, Caroline Lucas and local councillors in order to close the shop down was in fact a state sponsored campaign of bullying and harrasment which Nazi Germany would have been proud of. Shame on you Brighton and Hove.[/p][/quote]With all due respect, my comments are not anti-semitic and I resent the implication. What I am against is illegal Israeli settlements and the current an dhistoric treatment of innocent Palesitinian citizens. There has to be a distinction. In 2013, the UN adopted a 21 resolutions singling out Israel's treatment of the Palestinians in Gaza. To put this into context, the adopted 4 resolutions that year for the rest of the world combined. If the campaign to end illegal settlements and the horrific things that are happening in Gaza was anti-semitic, why do so many Jews turn out for the protest marches in London and Jewish academics call out for an end to the atrocious treatement of Palestinians. mhaiti
  • Score: -2

1:15pm Fri 22 Aug 14

Fight_Back says...

notslimjim wrote:
mhaiti wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
mhaiti wrote: Come on Argus this is a very leading headline. The call is not to boycott Israel, but to boycott goods and services that are produced and provided from illegally (under International Law) occupied territories. This whole offensive started when 3 israeli teens were tragically killed by a group that has since been proven are not affiliated with Hamas (the political party). It was also proven that the Israeli leadership knew that they were dead and who had killed them while they were stringing along the line that they had been kidnapped and blaming Hamas. Using an example closer to home, this is like us shelling Belfast indiscriminantly following the bombing of the Grand Hotel. I am not naive enough to believe that some elements of Hamas are not guilty of war crimes but it's the response that angers me. It is completely disproportionate, kids are being targeting (football boys on the beach), ambulances carrying victims are being targeted, hospitals and UN schools are being targeted. Where does it end? This is not a war by any means, this is a massacre. Jailers have a responsibility for the welfare of their prisoners, Gaza is a prison and Israel is doing nothing to ensure the safety of the innocent populace (women, children, elderly and ordinary citizens).
" The call is not to boycott Israel, but to boycott goods and services that are produced and provided from illegally (under International Law) occupied territories. " No, it isn't, so you're wrong yet again. Here's what BDS says: "In view of the fact that people of conscience in the international community have historically shouldered the moral responsibility to fight injustice, as exemplified in the struggle to abolish apartheid in South Africa through diverse forms of boycott, divestment and sanctions; and Inspired by the struggle of South Africans against apartheid and in the spirit of international solidarity, moral consistency and resistance to injustice and oppression; We, representatives of Palestinian civil society, call upon international civil society organizations and people of conscience all over the world to impose broad boycotts and implement divestment initiatives against Israel similar to those applied to South Africa in the apartheid era. We appeal to you to pressure your respective states to impose embargoes and sanctions against Israel. We also invite conscientious Israelis to support this Call, for the sake of justice and genuine peace." Note the complete absence of specific references to goods produced 'illegally'. "This whole offensive started when 3 israeli teens were tragically killed by a group that has since been proven are not affiliated with Hamas (the political party). " The Hamas connection (or lack of it) is totally irrelevant. They were killed by Palestinians from Gaza. The daily shelling of Israel from Gaza is done by supporters of all parties, so Israel is perfectly correct in responding to them all. The fact that Hamas still argues for the destruction of the Israeli state means that its leaders will receive particular attention, especially as Hamas is a proscribed terrorist organisation. " Using an example closer to home, this is like us shelling Belfast indiscriminantly following the bombing of the Grand Hotel." Gaza isn't being bombed indiscriminately. If it were, the entire region would have been flattened within two days of the start of this crisis, with no need for IDF soldiers to set one foot in Gaza. " UN schools are being targeted. " And so they should! Hamas etc are using them in a way the UN did not design, and Israel is perfectly within its rights to blow them up if they are being misused.
"And so they should"

Really? You heartless fool, there are CHILDREN in those schools, children who haven't fired a rocket at a multi billion dollar defense shield causing absolutely no damage, or thrown a stone. Children who were born in a prison with barely enough food to keep them from starvation, no prospects of education or careers. Children who haven't done anything to justify their murder.
"Really? You heartless fool, there are CHILDREN in those schools, children who haven't fired a rocket at a multi billion dollar defense shield causing absolutely no damage, or thrown a stone. Children who were born in a prison with barely enough food to keep them from starvation, no prospects of education or careers. Children who haven't done anything to justify their murder."

They shouldn't be there.

In fact, Hamas places them in danger, yet you don't seem to have a problem with that.
Children shouldn't be in a UN school ???? Well that wins the most stupid post of 2014 hands down and that's up against some pretty stiff competition from other posts from you.
[quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mhaiti[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mhaiti[/bold] wrote: Come on Argus this is a very leading headline. The call is not to boycott Israel, but to boycott goods and services that are produced and provided from illegally (under International Law) occupied territories. This whole offensive started when 3 israeli teens were tragically killed by a group that has since been proven are not affiliated with Hamas (the political party). It was also proven that the Israeli leadership knew that they were dead and who had killed them while they were stringing along the line that they had been kidnapped and blaming Hamas. Using an example closer to home, this is like us shelling Belfast indiscriminantly following the bombing of the Grand Hotel. I am not naive enough to believe that some elements of Hamas are not guilty of war crimes but it's the response that angers me. It is completely disproportionate, kids are being targeting (football boys on the beach), ambulances carrying victims are being targeted, hospitals and UN schools are being targeted. Where does it end? This is not a war by any means, this is a massacre. Jailers have a responsibility for the welfare of their prisoners, Gaza is a prison and Israel is doing nothing to ensure the safety of the innocent populace (women, children, elderly and ordinary citizens).[/p][/quote]" The call is not to boycott Israel, but to boycott goods and services that are produced and provided from illegally (under International Law) occupied territories. " No, it isn't, so you're wrong yet again. Here's what BDS says: "In view of the fact that people of conscience in the international community have historically shouldered the moral responsibility to fight injustice, as exemplified in the struggle to abolish apartheid in South Africa through diverse forms of boycott, divestment and sanctions; and Inspired by the struggle of South Africans against apartheid and in the spirit of international solidarity, moral consistency and resistance to injustice and oppression; We, representatives of Palestinian civil society, call upon international civil society organizations and people of conscience all over the world to impose broad boycotts and implement divestment initiatives against Israel similar to those applied to South Africa in the apartheid era. We appeal to you to pressure your respective states to impose embargoes and sanctions against Israel. We also invite conscientious Israelis to support this Call, for the sake of justice and genuine peace." Note the complete absence of specific references to goods produced 'illegally'. "This whole offensive started when 3 israeli teens were tragically killed by a group that has since been proven are not affiliated with Hamas (the political party). " The Hamas connection (or lack of it) is totally irrelevant. They were killed by Palestinians from Gaza. The daily shelling of Israel from Gaza is done by supporters of all parties, so Israel is perfectly correct in responding to them all. The fact that Hamas still argues for the destruction of the Israeli state means that its leaders will receive particular attention, especially as Hamas is a proscribed terrorist organisation. " Using an example closer to home, this is like us shelling Belfast indiscriminantly following the bombing of the Grand Hotel." Gaza isn't being bombed indiscriminately. If it were, the entire region would have been flattened within two days of the start of this crisis, with no need for IDF soldiers to set one foot in Gaza. " UN schools are being targeted. " And so they should! Hamas etc are using them in a way the UN did not design, and Israel is perfectly within its rights to blow them up if they are being misused.[/p][/quote]"And so they should" Really? You heartless fool, there are CHILDREN in those schools, children who haven't fired a rocket at a multi billion dollar defense shield causing absolutely no damage, or thrown a stone. Children who were born in a prison with barely enough food to keep them from starvation, no prospects of education or careers. Children who haven't done anything to justify their murder.[/p][/quote]"Really? You heartless fool, there are CHILDREN in those schools, children who haven't fired a rocket at a multi billion dollar defense shield causing absolutely no damage, or thrown a stone. Children who were born in a prison with barely enough food to keep them from starvation, no prospects of education or careers. Children who haven't done anything to justify their murder." They shouldn't be there. In fact, Hamas places them in danger, yet you don't seem to have a problem with that.[/p][/quote]Children shouldn't be in a UN school ???? Well that wins the most stupid post of 2014 hands down and that's up against some pretty stiff competition from other posts from you. Fight_Back
  • Score: 4

1:21pm Fri 22 Aug 14

We love Red Billy says...

Ben is Brighton and Hoves very own version of Dr Goebbles with his nasty propaganda. Im sure he has absolute faith in the leaders of Hamas who just machined gunned 18 people who they suspected of being informers. No trial just death. That is the kind of totalitarian yob Duncan is. Vote for him and his ilk at your peril. Will he dislike you next or is it just Jews he hates?
Ben is Brighton and Hoves very own version of Dr Goebbles with his nasty propaganda. Im sure he has absolute faith in the leaders of Hamas who just machined gunned 18 people who they suspected of being informers. No trial just death. That is the kind of totalitarian yob Duncan is. Vote for him and his ilk at your peril. Will he dislike you next or is it just Jews he hates? We love Red Billy
  • Score: 26

1:29pm Fri 22 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

"Children shouldn't be in a UN school ??"

Correct.

Hamas uses them to store missiles as well as to fire them from.

They demand that the children remain there, thus ensuring lots of anti-Israel publicity when the IDF destroys it.

I note that you have no problem with Hamas using children in this way....you disgust me.
"Children shouldn't be in a UN school ??" Correct. Hamas uses them to store missiles as well as to fire them from. They demand that the children remain there, thus ensuring lots of anti-Israel publicity when the IDF destroys it. I note that you have no problem with Hamas using children in this way....you disgust me. notslimjim
  • Score: 9

1:33pm Fri 22 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

mhaiti wrote:
robinxx wrote:
As a newcomer to Brighton and Hove I applaud the general tolerance shown to most sections of society. I am however appalled by the very anti-semitic attitude of people from all sections of society here. The weekly protests outside Soda Stream by the neo nasty Palestian Supporters in collusion with Sussex Police, Caroline Lucas and local councillors in order to close the shop down was in fact a state sponsored campaign of bullying and harrasment which Nazi Germany would have been proud of. Shame on you Brighton and Hove.
With all due respect, my comments are not anti-semitic and I resent the implication. What I am against is illegal Israeli settlements and the current an dhistoric treatment of innocent Palesitinian citizens. There has to be a distinction.

In 2013, the UN adopted a 21 resolutions singling out
Israel's treatment of the Palestinians in Gaza. To put this into context, the adopted 4 resolutions that year for the rest of the world combined.

If the campaign to end illegal settlements and the horrific things that are happening in Gaza was anti-semitic, why do so many Jews turn out for the protest marches in London and Jewish academics call out for an end to the atrocious treatement of Palestinians.
You'll find self-haters in all nations.

In the UK, we have group like the UAF, who hate Englishmen who celebrate their national day.

You will always find people in a country which hates its own government and some of its actions.

You'll find, for instance, that Tony Blair ( who won three successive elections in the UK) wouldn't be elected to sweep leaves in a park today. This is entirely due to him taking this country into two unwinnable (and possibly illegal) wars.
[quote][p][bold]mhaiti[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]robinxx[/bold] wrote: As a newcomer to Brighton and Hove I applaud the general tolerance shown to most sections of society. I am however appalled by the very anti-semitic attitude of people from all sections of society here. The weekly protests outside Soda Stream by the neo nasty Palestian Supporters in collusion with Sussex Police, Caroline Lucas and local councillors in order to close the shop down was in fact a state sponsored campaign of bullying and harrasment which Nazi Germany would have been proud of. Shame on you Brighton and Hove.[/p][/quote]With all due respect, my comments are not anti-semitic and I resent the implication. What I am against is illegal Israeli settlements and the current an dhistoric treatment of innocent Palesitinian citizens. There has to be a distinction. In 2013, the UN adopted a 21 resolutions singling out Israel's treatment of the Palestinians in Gaza. To put this into context, the adopted 4 resolutions that year for the rest of the world combined. If the campaign to end illegal settlements and the horrific things that are happening in Gaza was anti-semitic, why do so many Jews turn out for the protest marches in London and Jewish academics call out for an end to the atrocious treatement of Palestinians.[/p][/quote]You'll find self-haters in all nations. In the UK, we have group like the UAF, who hate Englishmen who celebrate their national day. You will always find people in a country which hates its own government and some of its actions. You'll find, for instance, that Tony Blair ( who won three successive elections in the UK) wouldn't be elected to sweep leaves in a park today. This is entirely due to him taking this country into two unwinnable (and possibly illegal) wars. notslimjim
  • Score: -2

1:36pm Fri 22 Aug 14

mhaiti says...

notslimjim wrote:
mhaiti wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
mhaiti wrote: Come on Argus this is a very leading headline. The call is not to boycott Israel, but to boycott goods and services that are produced and provided from illegally (under International Law) occupied territories. This whole offensive started when 3 israeli teens were tragically killed by a group that has since been proven are not affiliated with Hamas (the political party). It was also proven that the Israeli leadership knew that they were dead and who had killed them while they were stringing along the line that they had been kidnapped and blaming Hamas. Using an example closer to home, this is like us shelling Belfast indiscriminantly following the bombing of the Grand Hotel. I am not naive enough to believe that some elements of Hamas are not guilty of war crimes but it's the response that angers me. It is completely disproportionate, kids are being targeting (football boys on the beach), ambulances carrying victims are being targeted, hospitals and UN schools are being targeted. Where does it end? This is not a war by any means, this is a massacre. Jailers have a responsibility for the welfare of their prisoners, Gaza is a prison and Israel is doing nothing to ensure the safety of the innocent populace (women, children, elderly and ordinary citizens).
" The call is not to boycott Israel, but to boycott goods and services that are produced and provided from illegally (under International Law) occupied territories. " No, it isn't, so you're wrong yet again. Here's what BDS says: "In view of the fact that people of conscience in the international community have historically shouldered the moral responsibility to fight injustice, as exemplified in the struggle to abolish apartheid in South Africa through diverse forms of boycott, divestment and sanctions; and Inspired by the struggle of South Africans against apartheid and in the spirit of international solidarity, moral consistency and resistance to injustice and oppression; We, representatives of Palestinian civil society, call upon international civil society organizations and people of conscience all over the world to impose broad boycotts and implement divestment initiatives against Israel similar to those applied to South Africa in the apartheid era. We appeal to you to pressure your respective states to impose embargoes and sanctions against Israel. We also invite conscientious Israelis to support this Call, for the sake of justice and genuine peace." Note the complete absence of specific references to goods produced 'illegally'. "This whole offensive started when 3 israeli teens were tragically killed by a group that has since been proven are not affiliated with Hamas (the political party). " The Hamas connection (or lack of it) is totally irrelevant. They were killed by Palestinians from Gaza. The daily shelling of Israel from Gaza is done by supporters of all parties, so Israel is perfectly correct in responding to them all. The fact that Hamas still argues for the destruction of the Israeli state means that its leaders will receive particular attention, especially as Hamas is a proscribed terrorist organisation. " Using an example closer to home, this is like us shelling Belfast indiscriminantly following the bombing of the Grand Hotel." Gaza isn't being bombed indiscriminately. If it were, the entire region would have been flattened within two days of the start of this crisis, with no need for IDF soldiers to set one foot in Gaza. " UN schools are being targeted. " And so they should! Hamas etc are using them in a way the UN did not design, and Israel is perfectly within its rights to blow them up if they are being misused.
"And so they should" Really? You heartless fool, there are CHILDREN in those schools, children who haven't fired a rocket at a multi billion dollar defense shield causing absolutely no damage, or thrown a stone. Children who were born in a prison with barely enough food to keep them from starvation, no prospects of education or careers. Children who haven't done anything to justify their murder.
"Really? You heartless fool, there are CHILDREN in those schools, children who haven't fired a rocket at a multi billion dollar defense shield causing absolutely no damage, or thrown a stone. Children who were born in a prison with barely enough food to keep them from starvation, no prospects of education or careers. Children who haven't done anything to justify their murder." They shouldn't be there. In fact, Hamas places them in danger, yet you don't seem to have a problem with that.
You are an absolute imbecile.

The UNRWA found a cache of rockets in an EMPTY facility. I know that you'd love to believe that Hamas were using children as human shields sitting on tables and chairs made of rockets with these UN schools but that is simply not true.
[quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mhaiti[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mhaiti[/bold] wrote: Come on Argus this is a very leading headline. The call is not to boycott Israel, but to boycott goods and services that are produced and provided from illegally (under International Law) occupied territories. This whole offensive started when 3 israeli teens were tragically killed by a group that has since been proven are not affiliated with Hamas (the political party). It was also proven that the Israeli leadership knew that they were dead and who had killed them while they were stringing along the line that they had been kidnapped and blaming Hamas. Using an example closer to home, this is like us shelling Belfast indiscriminantly following the bombing of the Grand Hotel. I am not naive enough to believe that some elements of Hamas are not guilty of war crimes but it's the response that angers me. It is completely disproportionate, kids are being targeting (football boys on the beach), ambulances carrying victims are being targeted, hospitals and UN schools are being targeted. Where does it end? This is not a war by any means, this is a massacre. Jailers have a responsibility for the welfare of their prisoners, Gaza is a prison and Israel is doing nothing to ensure the safety of the innocent populace (women, children, elderly and ordinary citizens).[/p][/quote]" The call is not to boycott Israel, but to boycott goods and services that are produced and provided from illegally (under International Law) occupied territories. " No, it isn't, so you're wrong yet again. Here's what BDS says: "In view of the fact that people of conscience in the international community have historically shouldered the moral responsibility to fight injustice, as exemplified in the struggle to abolish apartheid in South Africa through diverse forms of boycott, divestment and sanctions; and Inspired by the struggle of South Africans against apartheid and in the spirit of international solidarity, moral consistency and resistance to injustice and oppression; We, representatives of Palestinian civil society, call upon international civil society organizations and people of conscience all over the world to impose broad boycotts and implement divestment initiatives against Israel similar to those applied to South Africa in the apartheid era. We appeal to you to pressure your respective states to impose embargoes and sanctions against Israel. We also invite conscientious Israelis to support this Call, for the sake of justice and genuine peace." Note the complete absence of specific references to goods produced 'illegally'. "This whole offensive started when 3 israeli teens were tragically killed by a group that has since been proven are not affiliated with Hamas (the political party). " The Hamas connection (or lack of it) is totally irrelevant. They were killed by Palestinians from Gaza. The daily shelling of Israel from Gaza is done by supporters of all parties, so Israel is perfectly correct in responding to them all. The fact that Hamas still argues for the destruction of the Israeli state means that its leaders will receive particular attention, especially as Hamas is a proscribed terrorist organisation. " Using an example closer to home, this is like us shelling Belfast indiscriminantly following the bombing of the Grand Hotel." Gaza isn't being bombed indiscriminately. If it were, the entire region would have been flattened within two days of the start of this crisis, with no need for IDF soldiers to set one foot in Gaza. " UN schools are being targeted. " And so they should! Hamas etc are using them in a way the UN did not design, and Israel is perfectly within its rights to blow them up if they are being misused.[/p][/quote]"And so they should" Really? You heartless fool, there are CHILDREN in those schools, children who haven't fired a rocket at a multi billion dollar defense shield causing absolutely no damage, or thrown a stone. Children who were born in a prison with barely enough food to keep them from starvation, no prospects of education or careers. Children who haven't done anything to justify their murder.[/p][/quote]"Really? You heartless fool, there are CHILDREN in those schools, children who haven't fired a rocket at a multi billion dollar defense shield causing absolutely no damage, or thrown a stone. Children who were born in a prison with barely enough food to keep them from starvation, no prospects of education or careers. Children who haven't done anything to justify their murder." They shouldn't be there. In fact, Hamas places them in danger, yet you don't seem to have a problem with that.[/p][/quote]You are an absolute imbecile. The UNRWA found a cache of rockets in an EMPTY facility. I know that you'd love to believe that Hamas were using children as human shields sitting on tables and chairs made of rockets with these UN schools but that is simply not true. mhaiti
  • Score: -4

1:40pm Fri 22 Aug 14

Scorpio50 says...

Wasn't this fighting started when three Jewish teenagers were kidnapped and murdered by Hamas? Then there was, of course, a reprisal kidnapping and killing, then the fighting started.
The world, at the moment, is a dangerous place but what ISIS are doing in Syria and Iraq is a thousand times worse and yet not a peep out of the odeous mouth of Ben Duncan.
I think he has a thing against Jews, after all didn't he text and tweet about a Councillor wearing what he thought was a swastika when it was anything but that.
Wasn't this fighting started when three Jewish teenagers were kidnapped and murdered by Hamas? Then there was, of course, a reprisal kidnapping and killing, then the fighting started. The world, at the moment, is a dangerous place but what ISIS are doing in Syria and Iraq is a thousand times worse and yet not a peep out of the odeous mouth of Ben Duncan. I think he has a thing against Jews, after all didn't he text and tweet about a Councillor wearing what he thought was a swastika when it was anything but that. Scorpio50
  • Score: 15

1:45pm Fri 22 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

" I know that you'd love to believe that Hamas were using children as human shields sitting on tables and chairs made of rockets with these UN schools but that is simply not true."

No-one made that claim.

http://www.unrwa.org
/newsroom/press-rele
ases/unrwa-condemns-
placement-rockets-se
cond-time-one-its-sc
hools

FOR A SECOND TIME.
" I know that you'd love to believe that Hamas were using children as human shields sitting on tables and chairs made of rockets with these UN schools but that is simply not true." No-one made that claim. http://www.unrwa.org /newsroom/press-rele ases/unrwa-condemns- placement-rockets-se cond-time-one-its-sc hools FOR A SECOND TIME. notslimjim
  • Score: 1

1:53pm Fri 22 Aug 14

mhaiti says...

notslimjim wrote:
" I know that you'd love to believe that Hamas were using children as human shields sitting on tables and chairs made of rockets with these UN schools but that is simply not true." No-one made that claim. http://www.unrwa.org /newsroom/press-rele ases/unrwa-condemns- placement-rockets-se cond-time-one-its-sc hools FOR A SECOND TIME.
"Hamas uses them to store missiles as well as to fire them from." - Yes, no one disputed that, but it seems like they used empty schools which is hugely different to...

This - "They demand that the children remain there, thus ensuring lots of anti-Israel publicity when the IDF destroys it." - which is not true.

The schools with kids in, weren't being used to store anything but the scared and displace populace who were looking for some kind of sanctuary.
[quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: " I know that you'd love to believe that Hamas were using children as human shields sitting on tables and chairs made of rockets with these UN schools but that is simply not true." No-one made that claim. http://www.unrwa.org /newsroom/press-rele ases/unrwa-condemns- placement-rockets-se cond-time-one-its-sc hools FOR A SECOND TIME.[/p][/quote]"Hamas uses them to store missiles as well as to fire them from." - Yes, no one disputed that, but it seems like they used empty schools which is hugely different to... This - "They demand that the children remain there, thus ensuring lots of anti-Israel publicity when the IDF destroys it." - which is not true. The schools with kids in, weren't being used to store anything but the scared and displace populace who were looking for some kind of sanctuary. mhaiti
  • Score: -2

2:17pm Fri 22 Aug 14

Andy R says...

Scorpio50 wrote:
Wasn't this fighting started when three Jewish teenagers were kidnapped and murdered by Hamas? Then there was, of course, a reprisal kidnapping and killing, then the fighting started.
The world, at the moment, is a dangerous place but what ISIS are doing in Syria and Iraq is a thousand times worse and yet not a peep out of the odeous mouth of Ben Duncan.
I think he has a thing against Jews, after all didn't he text and tweet about a Councillor wearing what he thought was a swastika when it was anything but that.
"I think he has a thing against Jews, after all didn't he text and tweet about a Councillor wearing what he thought was a swastika when it was anything but that."

Huh?

How does that incident demonstrate that he "has a thing against Jews"?
[quote][p][bold]Scorpio50[/bold] wrote: Wasn't this fighting started when three Jewish teenagers were kidnapped and murdered by Hamas? Then there was, of course, a reprisal kidnapping and killing, then the fighting started. The world, at the moment, is a dangerous place but what ISIS are doing in Syria and Iraq is a thousand times worse and yet not a peep out of the odeous mouth of Ben Duncan. I think he has a thing against Jews, after all didn't he text and tweet about a Councillor wearing what he thought was a swastika when it was anything but that.[/p][/quote]"I think he has a thing against Jews, after all didn't he text and tweet about a Councillor wearing what he thought was a swastika when it was anything but that." Huh? How does that incident demonstrate that he "has a thing against Jews"? Andy R
  • Score: 3

3:12pm Fri 22 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

mhaiti wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
" I know that you'd love to believe that Hamas were using children as human shields sitting on tables and chairs made of rockets with these UN schools but that is simply not true." No-one made that claim. http://www.unrwa.org /newsroom/press-rele ases/unrwa-condemns- placement-rockets-se cond-time-one-its-sc hools FOR A SECOND TIME.
"Hamas uses them to store missiles as well as to fire them from." - Yes, no one disputed that, but it seems like they used empty schools which is hugely different to...

This - "They demand that the children remain there, thus ensuring lots of anti-Israel publicity when the IDF destroys it." - which is not true.

The schools with kids in, weren't being used to store anything but the scared and displace populace who were looking for some kind of sanctuary.
Hamas revels in broadcasting images of dead Palestinian children. It places them in danger to ensure a steady supply of such images.

"The schools with kids in, weren't being used to store anything but the scared and displace populace who were looking for some kind of sanctuary."

And missiles were being launched from them.

Remember the leaflet drops telling Gazans to leave the built-up areas? remember Hamas instructing that no-one leave?

http://zeenews.india
.com/news/world/hama
s-tells-gaza-civilia
ns-to-ignore-warning
-leaflets-dropped-by
-israel-death-toll-r
ises_947058.html
[quote][p][bold]mhaiti[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: " I know that you'd love to believe that Hamas were using children as human shields sitting on tables and chairs made of rockets with these UN schools but that is simply not true." No-one made that claim. http://www.unrwa.org /newsroom/press-rele ases/unrwa-condemns- placement-rockets-se cond-time-one-its-sc hools FOR A SECOND TIME.[/p][/quote]"Hamas uses them to store missiles as well as to fire them from." - Yes, no one disputed that, but it seems like they used empty schools which is hugely different to... This - "They demand that the children remain there, thus ensuring lots of anti-Israel publicity when the IDF destroys it." - which is not true. The schools with kids in, weren't being used to store anything but the scared and displace populace who were looking for some kind of sanctuary.[/p][/quote]Hamas revels in broadcasting images of dead Palestinian children. It places them in danger to ensure a steady supply of such images. "The schools with kids in, weren't being used to store anything but the scared and displace populace who were looking for some kind of sanctuary." And missiles were being launched from them. Remember the leaflet drops telling Gazans to leave the built-up areas? remember Hamas instructing that no-one leave? http://zeenews.india .com/news/world/hama s-tells-gaza-civilia ns-to-ignore-warning -leaflets-dropped-by -israel-death-toll-r ises_947058.html notslimjim
  • Score: 8

3:34pm Fri 22 Aug 14

Andy R says...

notslimjim wrote:
mhaiti wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
" I know that you'd love to believe that Hamas were using children as human shields sitting on tables and chairs made of rockets with these UN schools but that is simply not true." No-one made that claim. http://www.unrwa.org /newsroom/press-rele ases/unrwa-condemns- placement-rockets-se cond-time-one-its-sc hools FOR A SECOND TIME.
"Hamas uses them to store missiles as well as to fire them from." - Yes, no one disputed that, but it seems like they used empty schools which is hugely different to...

This - "They demand that the children remain there, thus ensuring lots of anti-Israel publicity when the IDF destroys it." - which is not true.

The schools with kids in, weren't being used to store anything but the scared and displace populace who were looking for some kind of sanctuary.
Hamas revels in broadcasting images of dead Palestinian children. It places them in danger to ensure a steady supply of such images.

"The schools with kids in, weren't being used to store anything but the scared and displace populace who were looking for some kind of sanctuary."

And missiles were being launched from them.

Remember the leaflet drops telling Gazans to leave the built-up areas? remember Hamas instructing that no-one leave?

http://zeenews.india

.com/news/world/hama

s-tells-gaza-civilia

ns-to-ignore-warning

-leaflets-dropped-by

-israel-death-toll-r

ises_947058.html
Yeah.....if they'd only left the built-up areas.....they'd have been fine.

It's called the Gaza Strip for a reason. It's 25 miles long and 3.5 to 7.5 miles wide. It contains nearly 2 million people with no means of escape.

Did you write that with a straight face?
[quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mhaiti[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: " I know that you'd love to believe that Hamas were using children as human shields sitting on tables and chairs made of rockets with these UN schools but that is simply not true." No-one made that claim. http://www.unrwa.org /newsroom/press-rele ases/unrwa-condemns- placement-rockets-se cond-time-one-its-sc hools FOR A SECOND TIME.[/p][/quote]"Hamas uses them to store missiles as well as to fire them from." - Yes, no one disputed that, but it seems like they used empty schools which is hugely different to... This - "They demand that the children remain there, thus ensuring lots of anti-Israel publicity when the IDF destroys it." - which is not true. The schools with kids in, weren't being used to store anything but the scared and displace populace who were looking for some kind of sanctuary.[/p][/quote]Hamas revels in broadcasting images of dead Palestinian children. It places them in danger to ensure a steady supply of such images. "The schools with kids in, weren't being used to store anything but the scared and displace populace who were looking for some kind of sanctuary." And missiles were being launched from them. Remember the leaflet drops telling Gazans to leave the built-up areas? remember Hamas instructing that no-one leave? http://zeenews.india .com/news/world/hama s-tells-gaza-civilia ns-to-ignore-warning -leaflets-dropped-by -israel-death-toll-r ises_947058.html[/p][/quote]Yeah.....if they'd only left the built-up areas.....they'd have been fine. It's called the Gaza Strip for a reason. It's 25 miles long and 3.5 to 7.5 miles wide. It contains nearly 2 million people with no means of escape. Did you write that with a straight face? Andy R
  • Score: 0

3:40pm Fri 22 Aug 14

mhaiti says...

notslimjim wrote:
mhaiti wrote:
notslimjim wrote: " I know that you'd love to believe that Hamas were using children as human shields sitting on tables and chairs made of rockets with these UN schools but that is simply not true." No-one made that claim. http://www.unrwa.org /newsroom/press-rele ases/unrwa-condemns- placement-rockets-se cond-time-one-its-sc hools FOR A SECOND TIME.
"Hamas uses them to store missiles as well as to fire them from." - Yes, no one disputed that, but it seems like they used empty schools which is hugely different to... This - "They demand that the children remain there, thus ensuring lots of anti-Israel publicity when the IDF destroys it." - which is not true. The schools with kids in, weren't being used to store anything but the scared and displace populace who were looking for some kind of sanctuary.
Hamas revels in broadcasting images of dead Palestinian children. It places them in danger to ensure a steady supply of such images. "The schools with kids in, weren't being used to store anything but the scared and displace populace who were looking for some kind of sanctuary." And missiles were being launched from them. Remember the leaflet drops telling Gazans to leave the built-up areas? remember Hamas instructing that no-one leave? http://zeenews.india .com/news/world/hama s-tells-gaza-civilia ns-to-ignore-warning -leaflets-dropped-by -israel-death-toll-r ises_947058.html
There is absolutely no evidence at all to say show that rockets have been fired from any of the UNRWA schools which are being used as shelter. None at all.

The article below from the independent puts some context to your "Hamas instructing no-one leave comment", the key points from my reading being, where would they go and why should they leave? To drop leaflets on a whole neighbourhood and expect them all to go somewhere else in a densely populated 25 mile by 2 mile prison is asking them to risk death with the other shelling going on. Israeli's have the technology to pinpoint a single room in a building, you can then question why a whole neighbourhood would need to be evacuated when they have that kind of advanced weaponry at their disposal.

Also, what were those boys on the beach doing to provoke their attack? And the ambulance drivers, and the teen on the news the other day looking for his family in the rubble who was taken out on camera by a sniper?

http://www.independe
nt.co.uk/news/world/
middle-east/israelga
za-conflict-the-myth
-of-hamass-human-shi
eld-9619810.html
[quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mhaiti[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: " I know that you'd love to believe that Hamas were using children as human shields sitting on tables and chairs made of rockets with these UN schools but that is simply not true." No-one made that claim. http://www.unrwa.org /newsroom/press-rele ases/unrwa-condemns- placement-rockets-se cond-time-one-its-sc hools FOR A SECOND TIME.[/p][/quote]"Hamas uses them to store missiles as well as to fire them from." - Yes, no one disputed that, but it seems like they used empty schools which is hugely different to... This - "They demand that the children remain there, thus ensuring lots of anti-Israel publicity when the IDF destroys it." - which is not true. The schools with kids in, weren't being used to store anything but the scared and displace populace who were looking for some kind of sanctuary.[/p][/quote]Hamas revels in broadcasting images of dead Palestinian children. It places them in danger to ensure a steady supply of such images. "The schools with kids in, weren't being used to store anything but the scared and displace populace who were looking for some kind of sanctuary." And missiles were being launched from them. Remember the leaflet drops telling Gazans to leave the built-up areas? remember Hamas instructing that no-one leave? http://zeenews.india .com/news/world/hama s-tells-gaza-civilia ns-to-ignore-warning -leaflets-dropped-by -israel-death-toll-r ises_947058.html[/p][/quote]There is absolutely no evidence at all to say show that rockets have been fired from any of the UNRWA schools which are being used as shelter. None at all. The article below from the independent puts some context to your "Hamas instructing no-one leave comment", the key points from my reading being, where would they go and why should they leave? To drop leaflets on a whole neighbourhood and expect them all to go somewhere else in a densely populated 25 mile by 2 mile prison is asking them to risk death with the other shelling going on. Israeli's have the technology to pinpoint a single room in a building, you can then question why a whole neighbourhood would need to be evacuated when they have that kind of advanced weaponry at their disposal. Also, what were those boys on the beach doing to provoke their attack? And the ambulance drivers, and the teen on the news the other day looking for his family in the rubble who was taken out on camera by a sniper? http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/world/ middle-east/israelga za-conflict-the-myth -of-hamass-human-shi eld-9619810.html mhaiti
  • Score: 1

3:43pm Fri 22 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

Andy R wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
mhaiti wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
" I know that you'd love to believe that Hamas were using children as human shields sitting on tables and chairs made of rockets with these UN schools but that is simply not true." No-one made that claim. http://www.unrwa.org /newsroom/press-rele ases/unrwa-condemns- placement-rockets-se cond-time-one-its-sc hools FOR A SECOND TIME.
"Hamas uses them to store missiles as well as to fire them from." - Yes, no one disputed that, but it seems like they used empty schools which is hugely different to...

This - "They demand that the children remain there, thus ensuring lots of anti-Israel publicity when the IDF destroys it." - which is not true.

The schools with kids in, weren't being used to store anything but the scared and displace populace who were looking for some kind of sanctuary.
Hamas revels in broadcasting images of dead Palestinian children. It places them in danger to ensure a steady supply of such images.

"The schools with kids in, weren't being used to store anything but the scared and displace populace who were looking for some kind of sanctuary."

And missiles were being launched from them.

Remember the leaflet drops telling Gazans to leave the built-up areas? remember Hamas instructing that no-one leave?

http://zeenews.india


.com/news/world/hama


s-tells-gaza-civilia


ns-to-ignore-warning


-leaflets-dropped-by


-israel-death-toll-r


ises_947058.html
Yeah.....if they'd only left the built-up areas.....they'd have been fine.

It's called the Gaza Strip for a reason. It's 25 miles long and 3.5 to 7.5 miles wide. It contains nearly 2 million people with no means of escape.

Did you write that with a straight face?
You wrote it, and I trust you weren't being serious.
[quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mhaiti[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: " I know that you'd love to believe that Hamas were using children as human shields sitting on tables and chairs made of rockets with these UN schools but that is simply not true." No-one made that claim. http://www.unrwa.org /newsroom/press-rele ases/unrwa-condemns- placement-rockets-se cond-time-one-its-sc hools FOR A SECOND TIME.[/p][/quote]"Hamas uses them to store missiles as well as to fire them from." - Yes, no one disputed that, but it seems like they used empty schools which is hugely different to... This - "They demand that the children remain there, thus ensuring lots of anti-Israel publicity when the IDF destroys it." - which is not true. The schools with kids in, weren't being used to store anything but the scared and displace populace who were looking for some kind of sanctuary.[/p][/quote]Hamas revels in broadcasting images of dead Palestinian children. It places them in danger to ensure a steady supply of such images. "The schools with kids in, weren't being used to store anything but the scared and displace populace who were looking for some kind of sanctuary." And missiles were being launched from them. Remember the leaflet drops telling Gazans to leave the built-up areas? remember Hamas instructing that no-one leave? http://zeenews.india .com/news/world/hama s-tells-gaza-civilia ns-to-ignore-warning -leaflets-dropped-by -israel-death-toll-r ises_947058.html[/p][/quote]Yeah.....if they'd only left the built-up areas.....they'd have been fine. It's called the Gaza Strip for a reason. It's 25 miles long and 3.5 to 7.5 miles wide. It contains nearly 2 million people with no means of escape. Did you write that with a straight face?[/p][/quote]You wrote it, and I trust you weren't being serious. notslimjim
  • Score: -3

3:45pm Fri 22 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

"Also, what were those boys on the beach doing to provoke their attack? "

Who said they were the targets?

Missiles fall short or over-shoot.

"And the ambulance drivers, and the teen on the news the other day looking for his family in the rubble who was taken out on camera by a sniper?"

How convenient that a camera was being used during such a mundane operation.

There was no evidence that the sniper was a member of the IDF. Hamas is well-known for killing its own people.
"Also, what were those boys on the beach doing to provoke their attack? " Who said they were the targets? Missiles fall short or over-shoot. "And the ambulance drivers, and the teen on the news the other day looking for his family in the rubble who was taken out on camera by a sniper?" How convenient that a camera was being used during such a mundane operation. There was no evidence that the sniper was a member of the IDF. Hamas is well-known for killing its own people. notslimjim
  • Score: 2

3:50pm Fri 22 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

"The article below from the independent puts some context to your "Hamas instructing no-one leave comment", the key points from my reading being, where would they go and why should they leave?"

From the article YOU supplied:

"Some Gazans have admitted that they were afraid of criticizing Hamas, but none have said they had been forced by the organisation to stay in places of danger and become unwilling human-shields. The Bani Sobeila area, near Khan Younis, where the Abu Jamaa deaths took place received leaflets dropped from the air last week warning them to leave."

The article states that people are terrified of saying anything against Hamas, so OBVIOUSLY they aren't going to say Hamas instructed them to stay, especially as they were named in the article.

One inescapable fact....there are missiles raining down on you, and yet you refuse to vacate the area for the safety of unpopulated areas from which missiles aren't being fired - why not?
"The article below from the independent puts some context to your "Hamas instructing no-one leave comment", the key points from my reading being, where would they go and why should they leave?" From the article YOU supplied: "Some Gazans have admitted that they were afraid of criticizing Hamas, but none have said they had been forced by the organisation to stay in places of danger and become unwilling human-shields. The Bani Sobeila area, near Khan Younis, where the Abu Jamaa deaths took place received leaflets dropped from the air last week warning them to leave." The article states that people are terrified of saying anything against Hamas, so OBVIOUSLY they aren't going to say Hamas instructed them to stay, especially as they were named in the article. One inescapable fact....there are missiles raining down on you, and yet you refuse to vacate the area for the safety of unpopulated areas from which missiles aren't being fired - why not? notslimjim
  • Score: 2

4:03pm Fri 22 Aug 14

theargusissoinformative says...

This bloke is just an idiot, but I think that the Green Party find him to be an embarrassment. What on earth has the Middle East got to do with Brighton and Hove's local politics? He should just be making positive noises with 20 mph zones and other local quality of life initiatives, as well as standing up to the visceral imbeciles that inhabit this site. Instead, he chooses to stand up to Israel.

Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East. They are besieged on all sides by cultures that wish them to be dead, and they seem to be one of the few countries in the world that have had to endure blurred lines between military and civilian life for many years now, without being communist. It is not really for us to be taking sides, because none of us would want to be in Israeli shoes. Ben Duncan's opinions are just lazy racism. He's a nobody; now can we please just forget about him?
This bloke is just an idiot, but I think that the Green Party find him to be an embarrassment. What on earth has the Middle East got to do with Brighton and Hove's local politics? He should just be making positive noises with 20 mph zones and other local quality of life initiatives, as well as standing up to the visceral imbeciles that inhabit this site. Instead, he chooses to stand up to Israel. Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East. They are besieged on all sides by cultures that wish them to be dead, and they seem to be one of the few countries in the world that have had to endure blurred lines between military and civilian life for many years now, without being communist. It is not really for us to be taking sides, because none of us would want to be in Israeli shoes. Ben Duncan's opinions are just lazy racism. He's a nobody; now can we please just forget about him? theargusissoinformative
  • Score: 18

4:13pm Fri 22 Aug 14

mhaiti says...

notslimjim wrote:
"The article below from the independent puts some context to your "Hamas instructing no-one leave comment", the key points from my reading being, where would they go and why should they leave?" From the article YOU supplied: "Some Gazans have admitted that they were afraid of criticizing Hamas, but none have said they had been forced by the organisation to stay in places of danger and become unwilling human-shields. The Bani Sobeila area, near Khan Younis, where the Abu Jamaa deaths took place received leaflets dropped from the air last week warning them to leave." The article states that people are terrified of saying anything against Hamas, so OBVIOUSLY they aren't going to say Hamas instructed them to stay, especially as they were named in the article. One inescapable fact....there are missiles raining down on you, and yet you refuse to vacate the area for the safety of unpopulated areas from which missiles aren't being fired - why not?
"but none have said they had been forced by the organisation to stay in places of danger and become unwilling human-shields"

I can only go with what is written in the article....I'm not making wildly unsubsantiated assumptions like you.

The beach the boys were playing on was unpopulated, didn't do them much good did it. Yes missiles do fall short, although not that consistently with the guidance systems that the Israelis have. To drop i think 3 projectiles that short of a target and that that they happened to follow the line that the boys were running is a huge conincidence but obviously I have no evidence to say it wasn't a complete accident other that the statistical likelihood.
[quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: "The article below from the independent puts some context to your "Hamas instructing no-one leave comment", the key points from my reading being, where would they go and why should they leave?" From the article YOU supplied: "Some Gazans have admitted that they were afraid of criticizing Hamas, but none have said they had been forced by the organisation to stay in places of danger and become unwilling human-shields. The Bani Sobeila area, near Khan Younis, where the Abu Jamaa deaths took place received leaflets dropped from the air last week warning them to leave." The article states that people are terrified of saying anything against Hamas, so OBVIOUSLY they aren't going to say Hamas instructed them to stay, especially as they were named in the article. One inescapable fact....there are missiles raining down on you, and yet you refuse to vacate the area for the safety of unpopulated areas from which missiles aren't being fired - why not?[/p][/quote]"but none have said they had been forced by the organisation to stay in places of danger and become unwilling human-shields" I can only go with what is written in the article....I'm not making wildly unsubsantiated assumptions like you. The beach the boys were playing on was unpopulated, didn't do them much good did it. Yes missiles do fall short, although not that consistently with the guidance systems that the Israelis have. To drop i think 3 projectiles that short of a target and that that they happened to follow the line that the boys were running is a huge conincidence but obviously I have no evidence to say it wasn't a complete accident other that the statistical likelihood. mhaiti
  • Score: 0

4:16pm Fri 22 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

mhaiti wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
"The article below from the independent puts some context to your "Hamas instructing no-one leave comment", the key points from my reading being, where would they go and why should they leave?" From the article YOU supplied: "Some Gazans have admitted that they were afraid of criticizing Hamas, but none have said they had been forced by the organisation to stay in places of danger and become unwilling human-shields. The Bani Sobeila area, near Khan Younis, where the Abu Jamaa deaths took place received leaflets dropped from the air last week warning them to leave." The article states that people are terrified of saying anything against Hamas, so OBVIOUSLY they aren't going to say Hamas instructed them to stay, especially as they were named in the article. One inescapable fact....there are missiles raining down on you, and yet you refuse to vacate the area for the safety of unpopulated areas from which missiles aren't being fired - why not?
"but none have said they had been forced by the organisation to stay in places of danger and become unwilling human-shields"

I can only go with what is written in the article....I'm not making wildly unsubsantiated assumptions like you.

The beach the boys were playing on was unpopulated, didn't do them much good did it. Yes missiles do fall short, although not that consistently with the guidance systems that the Israelis have. To drop i think 3 projectiles that short of a target and that that they happened to follow the line that the boys were running is a huge conincidence but obviously I have no evidence to say it wasn't a complete accident other that the statistical likelihood.
" I can only go with what is written in the article..."

And the article points out that people dare not criticise Hamas.

I note that you couldn't explain why these people remained in a war zone.

"Yes missiles do fall short, although not that consistently with the guidance systems that the Israelis have. "

But you accept that they fall short.
[quote][p][bold]mhaiti[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: "The article below from the independent puts some context to your "Hamas instructing no-one leave comment", the key points from my reading being, where would they go and why should they leave?" From the article YOU supplied: "Some Gazans have admitted that they were afraid of criticizing Hamas, but none have said they had been forced by the organisation to stay in places of danger and become unwilling human-shields. The Bani Sobeila area, near Khan Younis, where the Abu Jamaa deaths took place received leaflets dropped from the air last week warning them to leave." The article states that people are terrified of saying anything against Hamas, so OBVIOUSLY they aren't going to say Hamas instructed them to stay, especially as they were named in the article. One inescapable fact....there are missiles raining down on you, and yet you refuse to vacate the area for the safety of unpopulated areas from which missiles aren't being fired - why not?[/p][/quote]"but none have said they had been forced by the organisation to stay in places of danger and become unwilling human-shields" I can only go with what is written in the article....I'm not making wildly unsubsantiated assumptions like you. The beach the boys were playing on was unpopulated, didn't do them much good did it. Yes missiles do fall short, although not that consistently with the guidance systems that the Israelis have. To drop i think 3 projectiles that short of a target and that that they happened to follow the line that the boys were running is a huge conincidence but obviously I have no evidence to say it wasn't a complete accident other that the statistical likelihood.[/p][/quote]" I can only go with what is written in the article..." And the article points out that people dare not criticise Hamas. I note that you couldn't explain why these people remained in a war zone. "Yes missiles do fall short, although not that consistently with the guidance systems that the Israelis have. " But you accept that they fall short. notslimjim
  • Score: -2

4:20pm Fri 22 Aug 14

Cyril Bolleaux says...

I recall this happened in the 1930s in Germany. Duncan and his socialist chums will start by demanding a boycott. Next they will paint Stars of David on boycotted shops. Then possibly a kristallnacht in November? After that, how about setting up special camps for appropriate people?
I recall this happened in the 1930s in Germany. Duncan and his socialist chums will start by demanding a boycott. Next they will paint Stars of David on boycotted shops. Then possibly a kristallnacht in November? After that, how about setting up special camps for appropriate people? Cyril Bolleaux
  • Score: 13

4:20pm Fri 22 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

Does anyone remember the trials?

http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/world-middle-e
ast-28896346

Me neither.

That's because there weren't any.

They are truly barbarians, and yet people on here are defending them.
Does anyone remember the trials? http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/world-middle-e ast-28896346 Me neither. That's because there weren't any. They are truly barbarians, and yet people on here are defending them. notslimjim
  • Score: 4

4:25pm Fri 22 Aug 14

mhaiti says...

notslimjim wrote:
mhaiti wrote:
notslimjim wrote: "The article below from the independent puts some context to your "Hamas instructing no-one leave comment", the key points from my reading being, where would they go and why should they leave?" From the article YOU supplied: "Some Gazans have admitted that they were afraid of criticizing Hamas, but none have said they had been forced by the organisation to stay in places of danger and become unwilling human-shields. The Bani Sobeila area, near Khan Younis, where the Abu Jamaa deaths took place received leaflets dropped from the air last week warning them to leave." The article states that people are terrified of saying anything against Hamas, so OBVIOUSLY they aren't going to say Hamas instructed them to stay, especially as they were named in the article. One inescapable fact....there are missiles raining down on you, and yet you refuse to vacate the area for the safety of unpopulated areas from which missiles aren't being fired - why not?
"but none have said they had been forced by the organisation to stay in places of danger and become unwilling human-shields" I can only go with what is written in the article....I'm not making wildly unsubsantiated assumptions like you. The beach the boys were playing on was unpopulated, didn't do them much good did it. Yes missiles do fall short, although not that consistently with the guidance systems that the Israelis have. To drop i think 3 projectiles that short of a target and that that they happened to follow the line that the boys were running is a huge conincidence but obviously I have no evidence to say it wasn't a complete accident other that the statistical likelihood.
" I can only go with what is written in the article..." And the article points out that people dare not criticise Hamas. I note that you couldn't explain why these people remained in a war zone. "Yes missiles do fall short, although not that consistently with the guidance systems that the Israelis have. " But you accept that they fall short.
Yep, the article says that no-one said they were asked to leave...you can't just pick and choose based on assumptions. I went with the exact wording from people on the ground, but you obviously know better.

They have nowhere else to go, honestly look at the pictures, look at a satellite map, nowhere is safe, schools, hospitals, beaches, ambulances, rubble of somewhere already bombed.

I do accept they fall short, I also accept that it is statistically possible for me to win the lottery tonight, but am not naive enough to make the assumption that I'm going to.

Anyway, I'm done with you. Won't ever get involved in one of these with you again, our views are too far apart and we're both wasting eachothers time.

I hope you find enlightenment one day and I still pity you for your terrible outlook on the world but that's the last of it for me.
[quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mhaiti[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: "The article below from the independent puts some context to your "Hamas instructing no-one leave comment", the key points from my reading being, where would they go and why should they leave?" From the article YOU supplied: "Some Gazans have admitted that they were afraid of criticizing Hamas, but none have said they had been forced by the organisation to stay in places of danger and become unwilling human-shields. The Bani Sobeila area, near Khan Younis, where the Abu Jamaa deaths took place received leaflets dropped from the air last week warning them to leave." The article states that people are terrified of saying anything against Hamas, so OBVIOUSLY they aren't going to say Hamas instructed them to stay, especially as they were named in the article. One inescapable fact....there are missiles raining down on you, and yet you refuse to vacate the area for the safety of unpopulated areas from which missiles aren't being fired - why not?[/p][/quote]"but none have said they had been forced by the organisation to stay in places of danger and become unwilling human-shields" I can only go with what is written in the article....I'm not making wildly unsubsantiated assumptions like you. The beach the boys were playing on was unpopulated, didn't do them much good did it. Yes missiles do fall short, although not that consistently with the guidance systems that the Israelis have. To drop i think 3 projectiles that short of a target and that that they happened to follow the line that the boys were running is a huge conincidence but obviously I have no evidence to say it wasn't a complete accident other that the statistical likelihood.[/p][/quote]" I can only go with what is written in the article..." And the article points out that people dare not criticise Hamas. I note that you couldn't explain why these people remained in a war zone. "Yes missiles do fall short, although not that consistently with the guidance systems that the Israelis have. " But you accept that they fall short.[/p][/quote]Yep, the article says that no-one said they were asked to leave...you can't just pick and choose based on assumptions. I went with the exact wording from people on the ground, but you obviously know better. They have nowhere else to go, honestly look at the pictures, look at a satellite map, nowhere is safe, schools, hospitals, beaches, ambulances, rubble of somewhere already bombed. I do accept they fall short, I also accept that it is statistically possible for me to win the lottery tonight, but am not naive enough to make the assumption that I'm going to. Anyway, I'm done with you. Won't ever get involved in one of these with you again, our views are too far apart and we're both wasting eachothers time. I hope you find enlightenment one day and I still pity you for your terrible outlook on the world but that's the last of it for me. mhaiti
  • Score: 3

4:33pm Fri 22 Aug 14

west hove says...

Cyril Bolleaux wrote:
I recall this happened in the 1930s in Germany. Duncan and his socialist chums will start by demanding a boycott. Next they will paint Stars of David on boycotted shops. Then possibly a kristallnacht in November? After that, how about setting up special camps for appropriate people?
The first people in those camps were socialists and other left wingers you Thatcher loving loon. See you next week!
[quote][p][bold]Cyril Bolleaux[/bold] wrote: I recall this happened in the 1930s in Germany. Duncan and his socialist chums will start by demanding a boycott. Next they will paint Stars of David on boycotted shops. Then possibly a kristallnacht in November? After that, how about setting up special camps for appropriate people?[/p][/quote]The first people in those camps were socialists and other left wingers you Thatcher loving loon. See you next week! west hove
  • Score: -5

4:38pm Fri 22 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

MHAITI wrote:

"the article says that no-one said they were asked to leave...you can't just pick and choose based on assumptions. I went with the exact wording from people on the ground, but you obviously know better."

The article in question (which they provided) states:

"The Bani Sobeila area, near Khan Younis, where the Abu Jamaa deaths took place received leaflets dropped from the air last week warning them to leave."

Once again, Mhaiti makes a statement which is blatantly and patently false in order to show support for Hamas.

Note how they ignored this:

http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/world-middle-e
ast-28896346


Run along, and leave the discussion to the adults.
MHAITI wrote: "the article says that no-one said they were asked to leave...you can't just pick and choose based on assumptions. I went with the exact wording from people on the ground, but you obviously know better." The article in question (which they provided) states: "The Bani Sobeila area, near Khan Younis, where the Abu Jamaa deaths took place received leaflets dropped from the air last week warning them to leave." Once again, Mhaiti makes a statement which is blatantly and patently false in order to show support for Hamas. Note how they ignored this: http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/world-middle-e ast-28896346 Run along, and leave the discussion to the adults. notslimjim
  • Score: -2

4:51pm Fri 22 Aug 14

Cyril Bolleaux says...

west hove wrote:
Cyril Bolleaux wrote:
I recall this happened in the 1930s in Germany. Duncan and his socialist chums will start by demanding a boycott. Next they will paint Stars of David on boycotted shops. Then possibly a kristallnacht in November? After that, how about setting up special camps for appropriate people?
The first people in those camps were socialists and other left wingers you Thatcher loving loon. See you next week!
I hope you did not give me a thumbs down.
[quote][p][bold]west hove[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyril Bolleaux[/bold] wrote: I recall this happened in the 1930s in Germany. Duncan and his socialist chums will start by demanding a boycott. Next they will paint Stars of David on boycotted shops. Then possibly a kristallnacht in November? After that, how about setting up special camps for appropriate people?[/p][/quote]The first people in those camps were socialists and other left wingers you Thatcher loving loon. See you next week![/p][/quote]I hope you did not give me a thumbs down. Cyril Bolleaux
  • Score: -8

4:53pm Fri 22 Aug 14

Valerie Paynter says...

We love Red Billy wrote:
So Ben is an independent and yet his proposal is seconded by a deputy leader of the greens? Have they got any more feet left to shoot ?
The Greens never filed the paperwork with Democratic Services to my knowledge - when i checked a while back, ahead of the last full council meeting. It means that nothing has changed, he is not sitting outside the Administration and Demcratic Services have not been required to reconfigure the committees to reflect one less Green cllr within the Administration.

As when Christina Summers offended the PC code and got the boot so she now sits as an Independent, paperwork must be filed.

Unable to raise anyone just now in Democratic Services to see if the situation has changed since July. It remains fo his status to be clarified.
[quote][p][bold]We love Red Billy[/bold] wrote: So Ben is an independent and yet his proposal is seconded by a deputy leader of the greens? Have they got any more feet left to shoot ?[/p][/quote]The Greens never filed the paperwork with Democratic Services to my knowledge - when i checked a while back, ahead of the last full council meeting. It means that nothing has changed, he is not sitting outside the Administration and Demcratic Services have not been required to reconfigure the committees to reflect one less Green cllr within the Administration. As when Christina Summers offended the PC code and got the boot so she now sits as an Independent, paperwork must be filed. Unable to raise anyone just now in Democratic Services to see if the situation has changed since July. It remains fo his status to be clarified. Valerie Paynter
  • Score: 3

4:53pm Fri 22 Aug 14

mhaiti says...

notslimjim wrote:
MHAITI wrote:

"the article says that no-one said they were asked to leave...you can't just pick and choose based on assumptions. I went with the exact wording from people on the ground, but you obviously know better."

The article in question (which they provided) states:

"The Bani Sobeila area, near Khan Younis, where the Abu Jamaa deaths took place received leaflets dropped from the air last week warning them to leave."

Once again, Mhaiti makes a statement which is blatantly and patently false in order to show support for Hamas.

Note how they ignored this:

http://www.bbc.co.uk

/news/world-middle-e

ast-28896346


Run along, and leave the discussion to the adults.
Never supported Hamas, clearly stated in an earlier post that some were guilty of war crimes.

Still pity you.
[quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: MHAITI wrote: "the article says that no-one said they were asked to leave...you can't just pick and choose based on assumptions. I went with the exact wording from people on the ground, but you obviously know better." The article in question (which they provided) states: "The Bani Sobeila area, near Khan Younis, where the Abu Jamaa deaths took place received leaflets dropped from the air last week warning them to leave." Once again, Mhaiti makes a statement which is blatantly and patently false in order to show support for Hamas. Note how they ignored this: http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/world-middle-e ast-28896346 Run along, and leave the discussion to the adults.[/p][/quote]Never supported Hamas, clearly stated in an earlier post that some were guilty of war crimes. Still pity you. mhaiti
  • Score: 3

4:56pm Fri 22 Aug 14

mhaiti says...

By asked to leave, I obviously meant "forced to stay"...

Still pity you
By asked to leave, I obviously meant "forced to stay"... Still pity you mhaiti
  • Score: 3

5:00pm Fri 22 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

mhaiti wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
MHAITI wrote:

"the article says that no-one said they were asked to leave...you can't just pick and choose based on assumptions. I went with the exact wording from people on the ground, but you obviously know better."

The article in question (which they provided) states:

"The Bani Sobeila area, near Khan Younis, where the Abu Jamaa deaths took place received leaflets dropped from the air last week warning them to leave."

Once again, Mhaiti makes a statement which is blatantly and patently false in order to show support for Hamas.

Note how they ignored this:

http://www.bbc.co.uk


/news/world-middle-e


ast-28896346


Run along, and leave the discussion to the adults.
Never supported Hamas, clearly stated in an earlier post that some were guilty of war crimes.

Still pity you.
Here's what you wrote:

"I am not naive enough to believe that some elements of Hamas are not guilty of war crimes but it's the response that angers me. "

So even though you believe that Hamas is committing war crimes, you don't actually demand that they are punished.

Instead, you attack Israel's response to those war crimes.

That is support for Hamas, no matter how much you wriggle.

I note also that you don't have a word to say on the Hamas executions (without trial) of various Palestinians.

Is that because you secretly agree that those people should have been murdered for allegedly helping the Israelis?
[quote][p][bold]mhaiti[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: MHAITI wrote: "the article says that no-one said they were asked to leave...you can't just pick and choose based on assumptions. I went with the exact wording from people on the ground, but you obviously know better." The article in question (which they provided) states: "The Bani Sobeila area, near Khan Younis, where the Abu Jamaa deaths took place received leaflets dropped from the air last week warning them to leave." Once again, Mhaiti makes a statement which is blatantly and patently false in order to show support for Hamas. Note how they ignored this: http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/world-middle-e ast-28896346 Run along, and leave the discussion to the adults.[/p][/quote]Never supported Hamas, clearly stated in an earlier post that some were guilty of war crimes. Still pity you.[/p][/quote]Here's what you wrote: "I am not naive enough to believe that some elements of Hamas are not guilty of war crimes but it's the response that angers me. " So even though you believe that Hamas is committing war crimes, you don't actually demand that they are punished. Instead, you attack Israel's response to those war crimes. That is support for Hamas, no matter how much you wriggle. I note also that you don't have a word to say on the Hamas executions (without trial) of various Palestinians. Is that because you secretly agree that those people should have been murdered for allegedly helping the Israelis? notslimjim
  • Score: 1

5:14pm Fri 22 Aug 14

mhaiti says...

notslimjim wrote:
mhaiti wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
MHAITI wrote:

"the article says that no-one said they were asked to leave...you can't just pick and choose based on assumptions. I went with the exact wording from people on the ground, but you obviously know better."

The article in question (which they provided) states:

"The Bani Sobeila area, near Khan Younis, where the Abu Jamaa deaths took place received leaflets dropped from the air last week warning them to leave."

Once again, Mhaiti makes a statement which is blatantly and patently false in order to show support for Hamas.

Note how they ignored this:

http://www.bbc.co.uk



/news/world-middle-e



ast-28896346


Run along, and leave the discussion to the adults.
Never supported Hamas, clearly stated in an earlier post that some were guilty of war crimes.

Still pity you.
Here's what you wrote:

"I am not naive enough to believe that some elements of Hamas are not guilty of war crimes but it's the response that angers me. "

So even though you believe that Hamas is committing war crimes, you don't actually demand that they are punished.

Instead, you attack Israel's response to those war crimes.

That is support for Hamas, no matter how much you wriggle.

I note also that you don't have a word to say on the Hamas executions (without trial) of various Palestinians.

Is that because you secretly agree that those people should have been murdered for allegedly helping the Israelis?
Well I can't leave that one.

My response to those that commit war crimes is not to punish everyone that lives near them and kill loads of innocent people. The guilty parties should be punished fully and legally. I have every right to attack the Israeli Government and military's response, that is my right as a human being. I didn't demand that the Israelis get punished either which in your twisted little brain could be construed as me supporting them.

Carry on making assumptions about me, that is entirely your right but don't try and read between the lines to present an outcome that satisfies your fantasy on what people think.

Not once has you shown any empathy for the children and babies that have died in Gaza, is that because you secretly agree that they should have been murdered for living near alleged terrorists (not all targets were Hamas and that is a fact).?
[quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mhaiti[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: MHAITI wrote: "the article says that no-one said they were asked to leave...you can't just pick and choose based on assumptions. I went with the exact wording from people on the ground, but you obviously know better." The article in question (which they provided) states: "The Bani Sobeila area, near Khan Younis, where the Abu Jamaa deaths took place received leaflets dropped from the air last week warning them to leave." Once again, Mhaiti makes a statement which is blatantly and patently false in order to show support for Hamas. Note how they ignored this: http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/world-middle-e ast-28896346 Run along, and leave the discussion to the adults.[/p][/quote]Never supported Hamas, clearly stated in an earlier post that some were guilty of war crimes. Still pity you.[/p][/quote]Here's what you wrote: "I am not naive enough to believe that some elements of Hamas are not guilty of war crimes but it's the response that angers me. " So even though you believe that Hamas is committing war crimes, you don't actually demand that they are punished. Instead, you attack Israel's response to those war crimes. That is support for Hamas, no matter how much you wriggle. I note also that you don't have a word to say on the Hamas executions (without trial) of various Palestinians. Is that because you secretly agree that those people should have been murdered for allegedly helping the Israelis?[/p][/quote]Well I can't leave that one. My response to those that commit war crimes is not to punish everyone that lives near them and kill loads of innocent people. The guilty parties should be punished fully and legally. I have every right to attack the Israeli Government and military's response, that is my right as a human being. I didn't demand that the Israelis get punished either which in your twisted little brain could be construed as me supporting them. Carry on making assumptions about me, that is entirely your right but don't try and read between the lines to present an outcome that satisfies your fantasy on what people think. Not once has you shown any empathy for the children and babies that have died in Gaza, is that because you secretly agree that they should have been murdered for living near alleged terrorists (not all targets were Hamas and that is a fact).? mhaiti
  • Score: 0

5:24pm Fri 22 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

mhaiti wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
mhaiti wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
MHAITI wrote:

"the article says that no-one said they were asked to leave...you can't just pick and choose based on assumptions. I went with the exact wording from people on the ground, but you obviously know better."

The article in question (which they provided) states:

"The Bani Sobeila area, near Khan Younis, where the Abu Jamaa deaths took place received leaflets dropped from the air last week warning them to leave."

Once again, Mhaiti makes a statement which is blatantly and patently false in order to show support for Hamas.

Note how they ignored this:

http://www.bbc.co.uk




/news/world-middle-e




ast-28896346


Run along, and leave the discussion to the adults.
Never supported Hamas, clearly stated in an earlier post that some were guilty of war crimes.

Still pity you.
Here's what you wrote:

"I am not naive enough to believe that some elements of Hamas are not guilty of war crimes but it's the response that angers me. "

So even though you believe that Hamas is committing war crimes, you don't actually demand that they are punished.

Instead, you attack Israel's response to those war crimes.

That is support for Hamas, no matter how much you wriggle.

I note also that you don't have a word to say on the Hamas executions (without trial) of various Palestinians.

Is that because you secretly agree that those people should have been murdered for allegedly helping the Israelis?
Well I can't leave that one.

My response to those that commit war crimes is not to punish everyone that lives near them and kill loads of innocent people. The guilty parties should be punished fully and legally. I have every right to attack the Israeli Government and military's response, that is my right as a human being. I didn't demand that the Israelis get punished either which in your twisted little brain could be construed as me supporting them.

Carry on making assumptions about me, that is entirely your right but don't try and read between the lines to present an outcome that satisfies your fantasy on what people think.

Not once has you shown any empathy for the children and babies that have died in Gaza, is that because you secretly agree that they should have been murdered for living near alleged terrorists (not all targets were Hamas and that is a fact).?
I think I've shown my utter lack of sympathy for the Palestinians across a number of threads.

If Hamas is happy for Palestinian babies to die, then why should I think differently?

Every missile fired into Israel is basically going to ultimately result in the deaths of Palestinians, because they know that one day the IDF will be turning up. The missile-firers are therefore condemning their fellow Palestinians to a possible death sometime down the line.

Ans you STILL haven't expressed any outrage about the murders by Hamas of Palestinians for crimes that weren't proven in court. At least Israel sends its troops for trial.

You disgust me.
[quote][p][bold]mhaiti[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mhaiti[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: MHAITI wrote: "the article says that no-one said they were asked to leave...you can't just pick and choose based on assumptions. I went with the exact wording from people on the ground, but you obviously know better." The article in question (which they provided) states: "The Bani Sobeila area, near Khan Younis, where the Abu Jamaa deaths took place received leaflets dropped from the air last week warning them to leave." Once again, Mhaiti makes a statement which is blatantly and patently false in order to show support for Hamas. Note how they ignored this: http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/world-middle-e ast-28896346 Run along, and leave the discussion to the adults.[/p][/quote]Never supported Hamas, clearly stated in an earlier post that some were guilty of war crimes. Still pity you.[/p][/quote]Here's what you wrote: "I am not naive enough to believe that some elements of Hamas are not guilty of war crimes but it's the response that angers me. " So even though you believe that Hamas is committing war crimes, you don't actually demand that they are punished. Instead, you attack Israel's response to those war crimes. That is support for Hamas, no matter how much you wriggle. I note also that you don't have a word to say on the Hamas executions (without trial) of various Palestinians. Is that because you secretly agree that those people should have been murdered for allegedly helping the Israelis?[/p][/quote]Well I can't leave that one. My response to those that commit war crimes is not to punish everyone that lives near them and kill loads of innocent people. The guilty parties should be punished fully and legally. I have every right to attack the Israeli Government and military's response, that is my right as a human being. I didn't demand that the Israelis get punished either which in your twisted little brain could be construed as me supporting them. Carry on making assumptions about me, that is entirely your right but don't try and read between the lines to present an outcome that satisfies your fantasy on what people think. Not once has you shown any empathy for the children and babies that have died in Gaza, is that because you secretly agree that they should have been murdered for living near alleged terrorists (not all targets were Hamas and that is a fact).?[/p][/quote]I think I've shown my utter lack of sympathy for the Palestinians across a number of threads. If Hamas is happy for Palestinian babies to die, then why should I think differently? Every missile fired into Israel is basically going to ultimately result in the deaths of Palestinians, because they know that one day the IDF will be turning up. The missile-firers are therefore condemning their fellow Palestinians to a possible death sometime down the line. Ans you STILL haven't expressed any outrage about the murders by Hamas of Palestinians for crimes that weren't proven in court. At least Israel sends its troops for trial. You disgust me. notslimjim
  • Score: 7

5:30pm Fri 22 Aug 14

NathanAdler says...

I suppose this hairy necked idiot will explain to his son that Palestine are such a peaceful under Hamas.

What a horrible, evil man Ben Duncan is. His son will be better off adopted by Gary Glitter than live with him.
I suppose this hairy necked idiot will explain to his son that Palestine are such a peaceful under Hamas. What a horrible, evil man Ben Duncan is. His son will be better off adopted by Gary Glitter than live with him. NathanAdler
  • Score: 13

6:23pm Fri 22 Aug 14

Digital1963 says...

There are many Palestinians employed on the same pay rate and Terms and Conditions as Israelis working for Israeli companies in the West Bank. By boycotting goods and services from that area, the Council will be affecting the livelihoods and economy of the very people that the Council wishes to support and protect. A more useful stance that the Council could take, is to support the campaign to free Gaza from Hamas and organise relief collections for the beleaguered people of Gaza.
There are many Palestinians employed on the same pay rate and Terms and Conditions as Israelis working for Israeli companies in the West Bank. By boycotting goods and services from that area, the Council will be affecting the livelihoods and economy of the very people that the Council wishes to support and protect. A more useful stance that the Council could take, is to support the campaign to free Gaza from Hamas and organise relief collections for the beleaguered people of Gaza. Digital1963
  • Score: 9

6:37pm Fri 22 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

Digital1963 wrote:
There are many Palestinians employed on the same pay rate and Terms and Conditions as Israelis working for Israeli companies in the West Bank. By boycotting goods and services from that area, the Council will be affecting the livelihoods and economy of the very people that the Council wishes to support and protect. A more useful stance that the Council could take, is to support the campaign to free Gaza from Hamas and organise relief collections for the beleaguered people of Gaza.
These people demanding sanctions against Israel are quite happy to damage the economic prospects of any Palestinians employed by Israel.

Just as long as they make their 'stand', they don't care who gets hurt.
[quote][p][bold]Digital1963[/bold] wrote: There are many Palestinians employed on the same pay rate and Terms and Conditions as Israelis working for Israeli companies in the West Bank. By boycotting goods and services from that area, the Council will be affecting the livelihoods and economy of the very people that the Council wishes to support and protect. A more useful stance that the Council could take, is to support the campaign to free Gaza from Hamas and organise relief collections for the beleaguered people of Gaza.[/p][/quote]These people demanding sanctions against Israel are quite happy to damage the economic prospects of any Palestinians employed by Israel. Just as long as they make their 'stand', they don't care who gets hurt. notslimjim
  • Score: 5

6:37pm Fri 22 Aug 14

Nikski says...

notslimjim wrote:
mhaiti wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
mhaiti wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
MHAITI wrote:

"the article says that no-one said they were asked to leave...you can't just pick and choose based on assumptions. I went with the exact wording from people on the ground, but you obviously know better."

The article in question (which they provided) states:

"The Bani Sobeila area, near Khan Younis, where the Abu Jamaa deaths took place received leaflets dropped from the air last week warning them to leave."

Once again, Mhaiti makes a statement which is blatantly and patently false in order to show support for Hamas.

Note how they ignored this:

http://www.bbc.co.uk





/news/world-middle-e





ast-28896346


Run along, and leave the discussion to the adults.
Never supported Hamas, clearly stated in an earlier post that some were guilty of war crimes.

Still pity you.
Here's what you wrote:

"I am not naive enough to believe that some elements of Hamas are not guilty of war crimes but it's the response that angers me. "

So even though you believe that Hamas is committing war crimes, you don't actually demand that they are punished.

Instead, you attack Israel's response to those war crimes.

That is support for Hamas, no matter how much you wriggle.

I note also that you don't have a word to say on the Hamas executions (without trial) of various Palestinians.

Is that because you secretly agree that those people should have been murdered for allegedly helping the Israelis?
Well I can't leave that one.

My response to those that commit war crimes is not to punish everyone that lives near them and kill loads of innocent people. The guilty parties should be punished fully and legally. I have every right to attack the Israeli Government and military's response, that is my right as a human being. I didn't demand that the Israelis get punished either which in your twisted little brain could be construed as me supporting them.

Carry on making assumptions about me, that is entirely your right but don't try and read between the lines to present an outcome that satisfies your fantasy on what people think.

Not once has you shown any empathy for the children and babies that have died in Gaza, is that because you secretly agree that they should have been murdered for living near alleged terrorists (not all targets were Hamas and that is a fact).?
I think I've shown my utter lack of sympathy for the Palestinians across a number of threads.

If Hamas is happy for Palestinian babies to die, then why should I think differently?

Every missile fired into Israel is basically going to ultimately result in the deaths of Palestinians, because they know that one day the IDF will be turning up. The missile-firers are therefore condemning their fellow Palestinians to a possible death sometime down the line.

Ans you STILL haven't expressed any outrage about the murders by Hamas of Palestinians for crimes that weren't proven in court. At least Israel sends its troops for trial.

You disgust me.
You disgust everybody.
[quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mhaiti[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mhaiti[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: MHAITI wrote: "the article says that no-one said they were asked to leave...you can't just pick and choose based on assumptions. I went with the exact wording from people on the ground, but you obviously know better." The article in question (which they provided) states: "The Bani Sobeila area, near Khan Younis, where the Abu Jamaa deaths took place received leaflets dropped from the air last week warning them to leave." Once again, Mhaiti makes a statement which is blatantly and patently false in order to show support for Hamas. Note how they ignored this: http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/world-middle-e ast-28896346 Run along, and leave the discussion to the adults.[/p][/quote]Never supported Hamas, clearly stated in an earlier post that some were guilty of war crimes. Still pity you.[/p][/quote]Here's what you wrote: "I am not naive enough to believe that some elements of Hamas are not guilty of war crimes but it's the response that angers me. " So even though you believe that Hamas is committing war crimes, you don't actually demand that they are punished. Instead, you attack Israel's response to those war crimes. That is support for Hamas, no matter how much you wriggle. I note also that you don't have a word to say on the Hamas executions (without trial) of various Palestinians. Is that because you secretly agree that those people should have been murdered for allegedly helping the Israelis?[/p][/quote]Well I can't leave that one. My response to those that commit war crimes is not to punish everyone that lives near them and kill loads of innocent people. The guilty parties should be punished fully and legally. I have every right to attack the Israeli Government and military's response, that is my right as a human being. I didn't demand that the Israelis get punished either which in your twisted little brain could be construed as me supporting them. Carry on making assumptions about me, that is entirely your right but don't try and read between the lines to present an outcome that satisfies your fantasy on what people think. Not once has you shown any empathy for the children and babies that have died in Gaza, is that because you secretly agree that they should have been murdered for living near alleged terrorists (not all targets were Hamas and that is a fact).?[/p][/quote]I think I've shown my utter lack of sympathy for the Palestinians across a number of threads. If Hamas is happy for Palestinian babies to die, then why should I think differently? Every missile fired into Israel is basically going to ultimately result in the deaths of Palestinians, because they know that one day the IDF will be turning up. The missile-firers are therefore condemning their fellow Palestinians to a possible death sometime down the line. Ans you STILL haven't expressed any outrage about the murders by Hamas of Palestinians for crimes that weren't proven in court. At least Israel sends its troops for trial. You disgust me.[/p][/quote]You disgust everybody. Nikski
  • Score: -4

6:39pm Fri 22 Aug 14

Nikski says...

notslimjim wrote:
MHAITI wrote:

"the article says that no-one said they were asked to leave...you can't just pick and choose based on assumptions. I went with the exact wording from people on the ground, but you obviously know better."

The article in question (which they provided) states:

"The Bani Sobeila area, near Khan Younis, where the Abu Jamaa deaths took place received leaflets dropped from the air last week warning them to leave."

Once again, Mhaiti makes a statement which is blatantly and patently false in order to show support for Hamas.

Note how they ignored this:

http://www.bbc.co.uk

/news/world-middle-e

ast-28896346


Run along, and leave the discussion to the adults.
Take your own advice sonny
[quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: MHAITI wrote: "the article says that no-one said they were asked to leave...you can't just pick and choose based on assumptions. I went with the exact wording from people on the ground, but you obviously know better." The article in question (which they provided) states: "The Bani Sobeila area, near Khan Younis, where the Abu Jamaa deaths took place received leaflets dropped from the air last week warning them to leave." Once again, Mhaiti makes a statement which is blatantly and patently false in order to show support for Hamas. Note how they ignored this: http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/world-middle-e ast-28896346 Run along, and leave the discussion to the adults.[/p][/quote]Take your own advice sonny Nikski
  • Score: 2

6:46pm Fri 22 Aug 14

Nikski says...

robinxx wrote:
As a newcomer to Brighton and Hove I applaud the general tolerance shown to most sections of society. I am however appalled by the very anti-semitic attitude of people from all sections of society here. The weekly protests outside Soda Stream by the neo nasty Palestian Supporters in collusion with Sussex Police, Caroline Lucas and local councillors in order to close the shop down was in fact a state sponsored campaign of bullying and harrasment which Nazi Germany would have been proud of.

Shame on you Brighton and Hove.
What utter drivel! You are a joke (admittedly an unfunny one), why don't you go back to wherever you came from?
[quote][p][bold]robinxx[/bold] wrote: As a newcomer to Brighton and Hove I applaud the general tolerance shown to most sections of society. I am however appalled by the very anti-semitic attitude of people from all sections of society here. The weekly protests outside Soda Stream by the neo nasty Palestian Supporters in collusion with Sussex Police, Caroline Lucas and local councillors in order to close the shop down was in fact a state sponsored campaign of bullying and harrasment which Nazi Germany would have been proud of. Shame on you Brighton and Hove.[/p][/quote]What utter drivel! You are a joke (admittedly an unfunny one), why don't you go back to wherever you came from? Nikski
  • Score: -11

6:48pm Fri 22 Aug 14

Nikski says...

notslimjim wrote:
Andy R wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
Duncan supports Pride and everything associated with it.

Perhaps he should help organise something similar in Gaza?

I'm sure the Palestinians would welcome everyone with open....er.....grave



s.

He's trying to curry favour among the local electorate after having had a new one torn over the 'hired killers' tweet. He's seen how unpopular Israel is around here. He seems to think that 200 protesters somehow represent this city...........they don't.
Yeah...'cos LGBT people in Gaza are so much better off with those "equal opportunties" bombs and missiles that Israel's using. They just kill everybody without fear or favour!
I was talking about the fact that muslims hate homosexuality.

That simple point sailed right past you.......just like many others do.

Have you ever considered not making yourself look stupid in public?
You clearly haven't
[quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: Duncan supports Pride and everything associated with it. Perhaps he should help organise something similar in Gaza? I'm sure the Palestinians would welcome everyone with open....er.....grave s. He's trying to curry favour among the local electorate after having had a new one torn over the 'hired killers' tweet. He's seen how unpopular Israel is around here. He seems to think that 200 protesters somehow represent this city...........they don't.[/p][/quote]Yeah...'cos LGBT people in Gaza are so much better off with those "equal opportunties" bombs and missiles that Israel's using. They just kill everybody without fear or favour![/p][/quote]I was talking about the fact that muslims hate homosexuality. That simple point sailed right past you.......just like many others do. Have you ever considered not making yourself look stupid in public?[/p][/quote]You clearly haven't Nikski
  • Score: 0

7:06pm Fri 22 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

Nikski wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
Andy R wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
Duncan supports Pride and everything associated with it.

Perhaps he should help organise something similar in Gaza?

I'm sure the Palestinians would welcome everyone with open....er.....grave




s.

He's trying to curry favour among the local electorate after having had a new one torn over the 'hired killers' tweet. He's seen how unpopular Israel is around here. He seems to think that 200 protesters somehow represent this city...........they don't.
Yeah...'cos LGBT people in Gaza are so much better off with those "equal opportunties" bombs and missiles that Israel's using. They just kill everybody without fear or favour!
I was talking about the fact that muslims hate homosexuality.

That simple point sailed right past you.......just like many others do.

Have you ever considered not making yourself look stupid in public?
You clearly haven't
I made a factually-accurate statement that Andy Racist wasn't able to counter.


Neither could you - two for the price of one!
[quote][p][bold]Nikski[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: Duncan supports Pride and everything associated with it. Perhaps he should help organise something similar in Gaza? I'm sure the Palestinians would welcome everyone with open....er.....grave s. He's trying to curry favour among the local electorate after having had a new one torn over the 'hired killers' tweet. He's seen how unpopular Israel is around here. He seems to think that 200 protesters somehow represent this city...........they don't.[/p][/quote]Yeah...'cos LGBT people in Gaza are so much better off with those "equal opportunties" bombs and missiles that Israel's using. They just kill everybody without fear or favour![/p][/quote]I was talking about the fact that muslims hate homosexuality. That simple point sailed right past you.......just like many others do. Have you ever considered not making yourself look stupid in public?[/p][/quote]You clearly haven't[/p][/quote]I made a factually-accurate statement that Andy Racist wasn't able to counter. Neither could you - two for the price of one! notslimjim
  • Score: 0

7:07pm Fri 22 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

Nikski wrote:
robinxx wrote:
As a newcomer to Brighton and Hove I applaud the general tolerance shown to most sections of society. I am however appalled by the very anti-semitic attitude of people from all sections of society here. The weekly protests outside Soda Stream by the neo nasty Palestian Supporters in collusion with Sussex Police, Caroline Lucas and local councillors in order to close the shop down was in fact a state sponsored campaign of bullying and harrasment which Nazi Germany would have been proud of.

Shame on you Brighton and Hove.
What utter drivel! You are a joke (admittedly an unfunny one), why don't you go back to wherever you came from?
And if he's just come to this country?

Nice bit of racism from Nikski.
[quote][p][bold]Nikski[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]robinxx[/bold] wrote: As a newcomer to Brighton and Hove I applaud the general tolerance shown to most sections of society. I am however appalled by the very anti-semitic attitude of people from all sections of society here. The weekly protests outside Soda Stream by the neo nasty Palestian Supporters in collusion with Sussex Police, Caroline Lucas and local councillors in order to close the shop down was in fact a state sponsored campaign of bullying and harrasment which Nazi Germany would have been proud of. Shame on you Brighton and Hove.[/p][/quote]What utter drivel! You are a joke (admittedly an unfunny one), why don't you go back to wherever you came from?[/p][/quote]And if he's just come to this country? Nice bit of racism from Nikski. notslimjim
  • Score: 0

7:09pm Fri 22 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

Nikski:

"why don't you go back to wherever you came from?"

Keep your racism off this thread, will you?
Nikski: "why don't you go back to wherever you came from?" Keep your racism off this thread, will you? notslimjim
  • Score: 6

8:25pm Fri 22 Aug 14

Ish1 says...

If Ben Duncan proposes a boycott of Israeli goods I will go out of my way to buy Israeli products.
If Ben Duncan proposes a boycott of Israeli goods I will go out of my way to buy Israeli products. Ish1
  • Score: 13

8:32pm Fri 22 Aug 14

IRISH DEFENCE FORCES VETERANS UK says...

notslimjim wrote:
mhaiti wrote:
ThinkBrighton wrote:
Does Ben Duncan go out of his way to be a moron, of does it come naturally. Roll on next May, he will be out for sure, the one thing the people of Brighton will not stand for is a biggoted fool
Just a question, I can't work out what he has said above that makes him a bigot ? Can you explain?
He's a bigot for not tolerating the view that Israel has a perfect right to exist and to defend itself.

It also has the right to trade with those who wish to trade with it.
Ben Duncan,Please take a long holiday,Say 50yrs.
[quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mhaiti[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ThinkBrighton[/bold] wrote: Does Ben Duncan go out of his way to be a moron, of does it come naturally. Roll on next May, he will be out for sure, the one thing the people of Brighton will not stand for is a biggoted fool[/p][/quote]Just a question, I can't work out what he has said above that makes him a bigot ? Can you explain?[/p][/quote]He's a bigot for not tolerating the view that Israel has a perfect right to exist and to defend itself. It also has the right to trade with those who wish to trade with it.[/p][/quote]Ben Duncan,Please take a long holiday,Say 50yrs. IRISH DEFENCE FORCES VETERANS UK
  • Score: 15

8:34pm Fri 22 Aug 14

Martha Gunn says...

Ish1 wrote:
If Ben Duncan proposes a boycott of Israeli goods I will go out of my way to buy Israeli products.
Oh goodness!
I so agree.

How on earth did this loathsome creature ever achieve a role in public life?

Well he got elected.

His presence is frightening evidence of our own stupidity.
[quote][p][bold]Ish1[/bold] wrote: If Ben Duncan proposes a boycott of Israeli goods I will go out of my way to buy Israeli products.[/p][/quote]Oh goodness! I so agree. How on earth did this loathsome creature ever achieve a role in public life? Well he got elected. His presence is frightening evidence of our own stupidity. Martha Gunn
  • Score: 17

8:56pm Fri 22 Aug 14

Idontbelieveit1948 says...

I suppose it's too much to ask but perhaps this Green Moron could do something useful for a change.

Here's a suggestion :-

Go an d cut he bushes down on Dukes Mound
I suppose it's too much to ask but perhaps this Green Moron could do something useful for a change. Here's a suggestion :- Go an d cut he bushes down on Dukes Mound Idontbelieveit1948
  • Score: 12

9:50pm Fri 22 Aug 14

Serendiptiyblue19 says...

Morpheus wrote:
What is going on in this area is terrible, but it is often said: disarm Israel and the violence will continue, disarm Hamas and there will be peace. Our council needs to remember this.
More than that. Disarm Israel and there would be no more Israel. I'm guessing that's what Ben Duncan wants... lots of dead Jews
[quote][p][bold]Morpheus[/bold] wrote: What is going on in this area is terrible, but it is often said: disarm Israel and the violence will continue, disarm Hamas and there will be peace. Our council needs to remember this.[/p][/quote]More than that. Disarm Israel and there would be no more Israel. I'm guessing that's what Ben Duncan wants... lots of dead Jews Serendiptiyblue19
  • Score: 10

10:15pm Fri 22 Aug 14

Bill in Hanover says...

We love Red Billy wrote:
So Ben is an independent and yet his proposal is seconded by a deputy leader of the greens? Have they got any more feet left to shoot ?
Most of their feet are protected by being in their mouths.
[quote][p][bold]We love Red Billy[/bold] wrote: So Ben is an independent and yet his proposal is seconded by a deputy leader of the greens? Have they got any more feet left to shoot ?[/p][/quote]Most of their feet are protected by being in their mouths. Bill in Hanover
  • Score: 3

10:23pm Fri 22 Aug 14

Bill in Hanover says...

I notice that lefties like Duncan are always first on the bandwagon to condemn Israel but turn a blind eye to the atrocities committed by the opponents of Israel, just today there was a report that the Palestinians in Gaza have executed 18 'Israeli spies' executed without the need of a trial that is and didn't we see pictures of other 'Israeli spies' in Gaza being dragged to their death behind motorbikes during the last conflict. Duncan is probably also oblivious to the fact that in 1948 and 1968 the Arab countries surrounding Israel swore to wipe out the Israelis. or drive them into the sea.
I notice that lefties like Duncan are always first on the bandwagon to condemn Israel but turn a blind eye to the atrocities committed by the opponents of Israel, just today there was a report that the Palestinians in Gaza have executed 18 'Israeli spies' executed without the need of a trial that is and didn't we see pictures of other 'Israeli spies' in Gaza being dragged to their death behind motorbikes during the last conflict. Duncan is probably also oblivious to the fact that in 1948 and 1968 the Arab countries surrounding Israel swore to wipe out the Israelis. or drive them into the sea. Bill in Hanover
  • Score: 16

11:30pm Fri 22 Aug 14

NickBrt says...

I thought this vile scrap of flesh was living in London? Why is he opening his fat gob in Brighton? He doesn't care about the people of Brighton. Get lost please and stay lost.
I thought this vile scrap of flesh was living in London? Why is he opening his fat gob in Brighton? He doesn't care about the people of Brighton. Get lost please and stay lost. NickBrt
  • Score: 7

12:42am Sat 23 Aug 14

getThisCoalitionOut says...

Hovenick wrote:
Why on earth would the Council want to agree with BDS. I am sorry, for the umpteenth time it was Hamas who broke the cease-fire. It is Hamas who fires rockets and uses schools and hospitals as cover for their activities, knowing that they are endangering the lives of their own citizens.
What business is it of the democratically elected Council who were elected to look after local matters to take action against the one democratic country in the whole of the Middle East - Concentrate on sorting out the traffic situation on Kings Road and other local problems which is what you were elected for.
Do not put your zionist rubbish on here.

Some people know what the real truth is.

The israelli government is full of terrorists who are bombing Gaza and deliberately targeting people's homes, schools, hospitals and the UN building where many people were trying to hide.

Hundreds of children have been killed or badly injured and they are refused permission to leave to get the medical help they need.

Gaza has been treated badly for decades due to israel with holding electricity, water and food.

The cease fire was not broken by anyone in Gaza - it was the terrorists in israel who put out false propagander every single time.

Anyone who supports them are zionists and disgusting.
[quote][p][bold]Hovenick[/bold] wrote: Why on earth would the Council want to agree with BDS. I am sorry, for the umpteenth time it was Hamas who broke the cease-fire. It is Hamas who fires rockets and uses schools and hospitals as cover for their activities, knowing that they are endangering the lives of their own citizens. What business is it of the democratically elected Council who were elected to look after local matters to take action against the one democratic country in the whole of the Middle East - Concentrate on sorting out the traffic situation on Kings Road and other local problems which is what you were elected for.[/p][/quote]Do not put your zionist rubbish on here. Some people know what the real truth is. The israelli government is full of terrorists who are bombing Gaza and deliberately targeting people's homes, schools, hospitals and the UN building where many people were trying to hide. Hundreds of children have been killed or badly injured and they are refused permission to leave to get the medical help they need. Gaza has been treated badly for decades due to israel with holding electricity, water and food. The cease fire was not broken by anyone in Gaza - it was the terrorists in israel who put out false propagander every single time. Anyone who supports them are zionists and disgusting. getThisCoalitionOut
  • Score: -11

12:46am Sat 23 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

getThisCoalitionOut wrote:
Hovenick wrote:
Why on earth would the Council want to agree with BDS. I am sorry, for the umpteenth time it was Hamas who broke the cease-fire. It is Hamas who fires rockets and uses schools and hospitals as cover for their activities, knowing that they are endangering the lives of their own citizens.
What business is it of the democratically elected Council who were elected to look after local matters to take action against the one democratic country in the whole of the Middle East - Concentrate on sorting out the traffic situation on Kings Road and other local problems which is what you were elected for.
Do not put your zionist rubbish on here.

Some people know what the real truth is.

The israelli government is full of terrorists who are bombing Gaza and deliberately targeting people's homes, schools, hospitals and the UN building where many people were trying to hide.

Hundreds of children have been killed or badly injured and they are refused permission to leave to get the medical help they need.

Gaza has been treated badly for decades due to israel with holding electricity, water and food.

The cease fire was not broken by anyone in Gaza - it was the terrorists in israel who put out false propagander every single time.

Anyone who supports them are zionists and disgusting.
^^^^^^^^^Utter drivel, as usual^^^^^^^^
[quote][p][bold]getThisCoalitionOut[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hovenick[/bold] wrote: Why on earth would the Council want to agree with BDS. I am sorry, for the umpteenth time it was Hamas who broke the cease-fire. It is Hamas who fires rockets and uses schools and hospitals as cover for their activities, knowing that they are endangering the lives of their own citizens. What business is it of the democratically elected Council who were elected to look after local matters to take action against the one democratic country in the whole of the Middle East - Concentrate on sorting out the traffic situation on Kings Road and other local problems which is what you were elected for.[/p][/quote]Do not put your zionist rubbish on here. Some people know what the real truth is. The israelli government is full of terrorists who are bombing Gaza and deliberately targeting people's homes, schools, hospitals and the UN building where many people were trying to hide. Hundreds of children have been killed or badly injured and they are refused permission to leave to get the medical help they need. Gaza has been treated badly for decades due to israel with holding electricity, water and food. The cease fire was not broken by anyone in Gaza - it was the terrorists in israel who put out false propagander every single time. Anyone who supports them are zionists and disgusting.[/p][/quote]^^^^^^^^^Utter drivel, as usual^^^^^^^^ notslimjim
  • Score: 3

12:56am Sat 23 Aug 14

getThisCoalitionOut says...

notslimjim wrote:
mhaiti wrote:
ThinkBrighton wrote:
Does Ben Duncan go out of his way to be a moron, of does it come naturally. Roll on next May, he will be out for sure, the one thing the people of Brighton will not stand for is a biggoted fool
Just a question, I can't work out what he has said above that makes him a bigot ? Can you explain?
He's a bigot for not tolerating the view that Israel has a perfect right to exist and to defend itself.

It also has the right to trade with those who wish to trade with it.
Israel was originally requested to be set up by someone who came over to the UK - a foreigner - and because he was rich, got himself made a lord - that person was a member of the obnoxious Rothschild family.

It is well known that the Rothschilds are associated with many catastrophies around the world - because they are power hungry and they have created israel to cause wars.

they sell arms - therefore they make even more money.

israel has no right to exist at all - the only people who say this are jews.

jews are a minority in the world and it is time they were treated as such.

no more money should be given to israel. no jews should be allowed to send money to israel and many currently do - it is funding the terrorists in government there.
[quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mhaiti[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ThinkBrighton[/bold] wrote: Does Ben Duncan go out of his way to be a moron, of does it come naturally. Roll on next May, he will be out for sure, the one thing the people of Brighton will not stand for is a biggoted fool[/p][/quote]Just a question, I can't work out what he has said above that makes him a bigot ? Can you explain?[/p][/quote]He's a bigot for not tolerating the view that Israel has a perfect right to exist and to defend itself. It also has the right to trade with those who wish to trade with it.[/p][/quote]Israel was originally requested to be set up by someone who came over to the UK - a foreigner - and because he was rich, got himself made a lord - that person was a member of the obnoxious Rothschild family. It is well known that the Rothschilds are associated with many catastrophies around the world - because they are power hungry and they have created israel to cause wars. they sell arms - therefore they make even more money. israel has no right to exist at all - the only people who say this are jews. jews are a minority in the world and it is time they were treated as such. no more money should be given to israel. no jews should be allowed to send money to israel and many currently do - it is funding the terrorists in government there. getThisCoalitionOut
  • Score: -8

12:59am Sat 23 Aug 14

getThisCoalitionOut says...

notslimjim wrote:
mhaiti wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
mhaiti wrote: Come on Argus this is a very leading headline. The call is not to boycott Israel, but to boycott goods and services that are produced and provided from illegally (under International Law) occupied territories. This whole offensive started when 3 israeli teens were tragically killed by a group that has since been proven are not affiliated with Hamas (the political party). It was also proven that the Israeli leadership knew that they were dead and who had killed them while they were stringing along the line that they had been kidnapped and blaming Hamas. Using an example closer to home, this is like us shelling Belfast indiscriminantly following the bombing of the Grand Hotel. I am not naive enough to believe that some elements of Hamas are not guilty of war crimes but it's the response that angers me. It is completely disproportionate, kids are being targeting (football boys on the beach), ambulances carrying victims are being targeted, hospitals and UN schools are being targeted. Where does it end? This is not a war by any means, this is a massacre. Jailers have a responsibility for the welfare of their prisoners, Gaza is a prison and Israel is doing nothing to ensure the safety of the innocent populace (women, children, elderly and ordinary citizens).
" The call is not to boycott Israel, but to boycott goods and services that are produced and provided from illegally (under International Law) occupied territories. " No, it isn't, so you're wrong yet again. Here's what BDS says: "In view of the fact that people of conscience in the international community have historically shouldered the moral responsibility to fight injustice, as exemplified in the struggle to abolish apartheid in South Africa through diverse forms of boycott, divestment and sanctions; and Inspired by the struggle of South Africans against apartheid and in the spirit of international solidarity, moral consistency and resistance to injustice and oppression; We, representatives of Palestinian civil society, call upon international civil society organizations and people of conscience all over the world to impose broad boycotts and implement divestment initiatives against Israel similar to those applied to South Africa in the apartheid era. We appeal to you to pressure your respective states to impose embargoes and sanctions against Israel. We also invite conscientious Israelis to support this Call, for the sake of justice and genuine peace." Note the complete absence of specific references to goods produced 'illegally'. "This whole offensive started when 3 israeli teens were tragically killed by a group that has since been proven are not affiliated with Hamas (the political party). " The Hamas connection (or lack of it) is totally irrelevant. They were killed by Palestinians from Gaza. The daily shelling of Israel from Gaza is done by supporters of all parties, so Israel is perfectly correct in responding to them all. The fact that Hamas still argues for the destruction of the Israeli state means that its leaders will receive particular attention, especially as Hamas is a proscribed terrorist organisation. " Using an example closer to home, this is like us shelling Belfast indiscriminantly following the bombing of the Grand Hotel." Gaza isn't being bombed indiscriminately. If it were, the entire region would have been flattened within two days of the start of this crisis, with no need for IDF soldiers to set one foot in Gaza. " UN schools are being targeted. " And so they should! Hamas etc are using them in a way the UN did not design, and Israel is perfectly within its rights to blow them up if they are being misused.
"And so they should"

Really? You heartless fool, there are CHILDREN in those schools, children who haven't fired a rocket at a multi billion dollar defense shield causing absolutely no damage, or thrown a stone. Children who were born in a prison with barely enough food to keep them from starvation, no prospects of education or careers. Children who haven't done anything to justify their murder.
"Really? You heartless fool, there are CHILDREN in those schools, children who haven't fired a rocket at a multi billion dollar defense shield causing absolutely no damage, or thrown a stone. Children who were born in a prison with barely enough food to keep them from starvation, no prospects of education or careers. Children who haven't done anything to justify their murder."

They shouldn't be there.

In fact, Hamas places them in danger, yet you don't seem to have a problem with that.
No israel have refused to allow anyone in Gaza to leave.

So it is the terrorists in israel that have put them there.

Shut up you zionist.
[quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mhaiti[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mhaiti[/bold] wrote: Come on Argus this is a very leading headline. The call is not to boycott Israel, but to boycott goods and services that are produced and provided from illegally (under International Law) occupied territories. This whole offensive started when 3 israeli teens were tragically killed by a group that has since been proven are not affiliated with Hamas (the political party). It was also proven that the Israeli leadership knew that they were dead and who had killed them while they were stringing along the line that they had been kidnapped and blaming Hamas. Using an example closer to home, this is like us shelling Belfast indiscriminantly following the bombing of the Grand Hotel. I am not naive enough to believe that some elements of Hamas are not guilty of war crimes but it's the response that angers me. It is completely disproportionate, kids are being targeting (football boys on the beach), ambulances carrying victims are being targeted, hospitals and UN schools are being targeted. Where does it end? This is not a war by any means, this is a massacre. Jailers have a responsibility for the welfare of their prisoners, Gaza is a prison and Israel is doing nothing to ensure the safety of the innocent populace (women, children, elderly and ordinary citizens).[/p][/quote]" The call is not to boycott Israel, but to boycott goods and services that are produced and provided from illegally (under International Law) occupied territories. " No, it isn't, so you're wrong yet again. Here's what BDS says: "In view of the fact that people of conscience in the international community have historically shouldered the moral responsibility to fight injustice, as exemplified in the struggle to abolish apartheid in South Africa through diverse forms of boycott, divestment and sanctions; and Inspired by the struggle of South Africans against apartheid and in the spirit of international solidarity, moral consistency and resistance to injustice and oppression; We, representatives of Palestinian civil society, call upon international civil society organizations and people of conscience all over the world to impose broad boycotts and implement divestment initiatives against Israel similar to those applied to South Africa in the apartheid era. We appeal to you to pressure your respective states to impose embargoes and sanctions against Israel. We also invite conscientious Israelis to support this Call, for the sake of justice and genuine peace." Note the complete absence of specific references to goods produced 'illegally'. "This whole offensive started when 3 israeli teens were tragically killed by a group that has since been proven are not affiliated with Hamas (the political party). " The Hamas connection (or lack of it) is totally irrelevant. They were killed by Palestinians from Gaza. The daily shelling of Israel from Gaza is done by supporters of all parties, so Israel is perfectly correct in responding to them all. The fact that Hamas still argues for the destruction of the Israeli state means that its leaders will receive particular attention, especially as Hamas is a proscribed terrorist organisation. " Using an example closer to home, this is like us shelling Belfast indiscriminantly following the bombing of the Grand Hotel." Gaza isn't being bombed indiscriminately. If it were, the entire region would have been flattened within two days of the start of this crisis, with no need for IDF soldiers to set one foot in Gaza. " UN schools are being targeted. " And so they should! Hamas etc are using them in a way the UN did not design, and Israel is perfectly within its rights to blow them up if they are being misused.[/p][/quote]"And so they should" Really? You heartless fool, there are CHILDREN in those schools, children who haven't fired a rocket at a multi billion dollar defense shield causing absolutely no damage, or thrown a stone. Children who were born in a prison with barely enough food to keep them from starvation, no prospects of education or careers. Children who haven't done anything to justify their murder.[/p][/quote]"Really? You heartless fool, there are CHILDREN in those schools, children who haven't fired a rocket at a multi billion dollar defense shield causing absolutely no damage, or thrown a stone. Children who were born in a prison with barely enough food to keep them from starvation, no prospects of education or careers. Children who haven't done anything to justify their murder." They shouldn't be there. In fact, Hamas places them in danger, yet you don't seem to have a problem with that.[/p][/quote]No israel have refused to allow anyone in Gaza to leave. So it is the terrorists in israel that have put them there. Shut up you zionist. getThisCoalitionOut
  • Score: -5

1:10am Sat 23 Aug 14

getThisCoalitionOut says...

notslimjim wrote:
Does anyone remember the trials?

http://www.bbc.co.uk

/news/world-middle-e

ast-28896346

Me neither.

That's because there weren't any.

They are truly barbarians, and yet people on here are defending them.
you are quoting the bbc - the most untrustworthy organisation that has a jew for a chairman who is married to a Rothschild.

now stop lying through your zionist teeth.
[quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: Does anyone remember the trials? http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/world-middle-e ast-28896346 Me neither. That's because there weren't any. They are truly barbarians, and yet people on here are defending them.[/p][/quote]you are quoting the bbc - the most untrustworthy organisation that has a jew for a chairman who is married to a Rothschild. now stop lying through your zionist teeth. getThisCoalitionOut
  • Score: -11

1:16am Sat 23 Aug 14

getThisCoalitionOut says...

NathanAdler wrote:
I suppose this hairy necked idiot will explain to his son that Palestine are such a peaceful under Hamas.

What a horrible, evil man Ben Duncan is. His son will be better off adopted by Gary Glitter than live with him.
so you think it better that a child be raped than living with their father who is teaching him how to be a decent person and not support terrorists.

that says all I need to know about you - you are a zionist and a paedo lover.
[quote][p][bold]NathanAdler[/bold] wrote: I suppose this hairy necked idiot will explain to his son that Palestine are such a peaceful under Hamas. What a horrible, evil man Ben Duncan is. His son will be better off adopted by Gary Glitter than live with him.[/p][/quote]so you think it better that a child be raped than living with their father who is teaching him how to be a decent person and not support terrorists. that says all I need to know about you - you are a zionist and a paedo lover. getThisCoalitionOut
  • Score: -10

1:21am Sat 23 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

getThisCoalitionOut wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
Does anyone remember the trials?

http://www.bbc.co.uk


/news/world-middle-e


ast-28896346

Me neither.

That's because there weren't any.

They are truly barbarians, and yet people on here are defending them.
you are quoting the bbc - the most untrustworthy organisation that has a jew for a chairman who is married to a Rothschild.

now stop lying through your zionist teeth.
Are you denying those murders occurred?

You're no better than the filth who committed them.
[quote][p][bold]getThisCoalitionOut[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: Does anyone remember the trials? http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/world-middle-e ast-28896346 Me neither. That's because there weren't any. They are truly barbarians, and yet people on here are defending them.[/p][/quote]you are quoting the bbc - the most untrustworthy organisation that has a jew for a chairman who is married to a Rothschild. now stop lying through your zionist teeth.[/p][/quote]Are you denying those murders occurred? You're no better than the filth who committed them. notslimjim
  • Score: 1

1:21am Sat 23 Aug 14

getThisCoalitionOut says...

notslimjim wrote:
Nikski:

"why don't you go back to wherever you came from?"

Keep your racism off this thread, will you?
keep your lies and zionism off this thread
[quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: Nikski: "why don't you go back to wherever you came from?" Keep your racism off this thread, will you?[/p][/quote]keep your lies and zionism off this thread getThisCoalitionOut
  • Score: -9

1:22am Sat 23 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

getThisCoalitionOut wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
mhaiti wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
mhaiti wrote: Come on Argus this is a very leading headline. The call is not to boycott Israel, but to boycott goods and services that are produced and provided from illegally (under International Law) occupied territories. This whole offensive started when 3 israeli teens were tragically killed by a group that has since been proven are not affiliated with Hamas (the political party). It was also proven that the Israeli leadership knew that they were dead and who had killed them while they were stringing along the line that they had been kidnapped and blaming Hamas. Using an example closer to home, this is like us shelling Belfast indiscriminantly following the bombing of the Grand Hotel. I am not naive enough to believe that some elements of Hamas are not guilty of war crimes but it's the response that angers me. It is completely disproportionate, kids are being targeting (football boys on the beach), ambulances carrying victims are being targeted, hospitals and UN schools are being targeted. Where does it end? This is not a war by any means, this is a massacre. Jailers have a responsibility for the welfare of their prisoners, Gaza is a prison and Israel is doing nothing to ensure the safety of the innocent populace (women, children, elderly and ordinary citizens).
" The call is not to boycott Israel, but to boycott goods and services that are produced and provided from illegally (under International Law) occupied territories. " No, it isn't, so you're wrong yet again. Here's what BDS says: "In view of the fact that people of conscience in the international community have historically shouldered the moral responsibility to fight injustice, as exemplified in the struggle to abolish apartheid in South Africa through diverse forms of boycott, divestment and sanctions; and Inspired by the struggle of South Africans against apartheid and in the spirit of international solidarity, moral consistency and resistance to injustice and oppression; We, representatives of Palestinian civil society, call upon international civil society organizations and people of conscience all over the world to impose broad boycotts and implement divestment initiatives against Israel similar to those applied to South Africa in the apartheid era. We appeal to you to pressure your respective states to impose embargoes and sanctions against Israel. We also invite conscientious Israelis to support this Call, for the sake of justice and genuine peace." Note the complete absence of specific references to goods produced 'illegally'. "This whole offensive started when 3 israeli teens were tragically killed by a group that has since been proven are not affiliated with Hamas (the political party). " The Hamas connection (or lack of it) is totally irrelevant. They were killed by Palestinians from Gaza. The daily shelling of Israel from Gaza is done by supporters of all parties, so Israel is perfectly correct in responding to them all. The fact that Hamas still argues for the destruction of the Israeli state means that its leaders will receive particular attention, especially as Hamas is a proscribed terrorist organisation. " Using an example closer to home, this is like us shelling Belfast indiscriminantly following the bombing of the Grand Hotel." Gaza isn't being bombed indiscriminately. If it were, the entire region would have been flattened within two days of the start of this crisis, with no need for IDF soldiers to set one foot in Gaza. " UN schools are being targeted. " And so they should! Hamas etc are using them in a way the UN did not design, and Israel is perfectly within its rights to blow them up if they are being misused.
"And so they should"

Really? You heartless fool, there are CHILDREN in those schools, children who haven't fired a rocket at a multi billion dollar defense shield causing absolutely no damage, or thrown a stone. Children who were born in a prison with barely enough food to keep them from starvation, no prospects of education or careers. Children who haven't done anything to justify their murder.
"Really? You heartless fool, there are CHILDREN in those schools, children who haven't fired a rocket at a multi billion dollar defense shield causing absolutely no damage, or thrown a stone. Children who were born in a prison with barely enough food to keep them from starvation, no prospects of education or careers. Children who haven't done anything to justify their murder."

They shouldn't be there.

In fact, Hamas places them in danger, yet you don't seem to have a problem with that.
No israel have refused to allow anyone in Gaza to leave.

So it is the terrorists in israel that have put them there.

Shut up you zionist.
So you're too stupid to realise that Gazans were instructed to leave Gaza City.

Who switches your computer on?
[quote][p][bold]getThisCoalitionOut[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mhaiti[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mhaiti[/bold] wrote: Come on Argus this is a very leading headline. The call is not to boycott Israel, but to boycott goods and services that are produced and provided from illegally (under International Law) occupied territories. This whole offensive started when 3 israeli teens were tragically killed by a group that has since been proven are not affiliated with Hamas (the political party). It was also proven that the Israeli leadership knew that they were dead and who had killed them while they were stringing along the line that they had been kidnapped and blaming Hamas. Using an example closer to home, this is like us shelling Belfast indiscriminantly following the bombing of the Grand Hotel. I am not naive enough to believe that some elements of Hamas are not guilty of war crimes but it's the response that angers me. It is completely disproportionate, kids are being targeting (football boys on the beach), ambulances carrying victims are being targeted, hospitals and UN schools are being targeted. Where does it end? This is not a war by any means, this is a massacre. Jailers have a responsibility for the welfare of their prisoners, Gaza is a prison and Israel is doing nothing to ensure the safety of the innocent populace (women, children, elderly and ordinary citizens).[/p][/quote]" The call is not to boycott Israel, but to boycott goods and services that are produced and provided from illegally (under International Law) occupied territories. " No, it isn't, so you're wrong yet again. Here's what BDS says: "In view of the fact that people of conscience in the international community have historically shouldered the moral responsibility to fight injustice, as exemplified in the struggle to abolish apartheid in South Africa through diverse forms of boycott, divestment and sanctions; and Inspired by the struggle of South Africans against apartheid and in the spirit of international solidarity, moral consistency and resistance to injustice and oppression; We, representatives of Palestinian civil society, call upon international civil society organizations and people of conscience all over the world to impose broad boycotts and implement divestment initiatives against Israel similar to those applied to South Africa in the apartheid era. We appeal to you to pressure your respective states to impose embargoes and sanctions against Israel. We also invite conscientious Israelis to support this Call, for the sake of justice and genuine peace." Note the complete absence of specific references to goods produced 'illegally'. "This whole offensive started when 3 israeli teens were tragically killed by a group that has since been proven are not affiliated with Hamas (the political party). " The Hamas connection (or lack of it) is totally irrelevant. They were killed by Palestinians from Gaza. The daily shelling of Israel from Gaza is done by supporters of all parties, so Israel is perfectly correct in responding to them all. The fact that Hamas still argues for the destruction of the Israeli state means that its leaders will receive particular attention, especially as Hamas is a proscribed terrorist organisation. " Using an example closer to home, this is like us shelling Belfast indiscriminantly following the bombing of the Grand Hotel." Gaza isn't being bombed indiscriminately. If it were, the entire region would have been flattened within two days of the start of this crisis, with no need for IDF soldiers to set one foot in Gaza. " UN schools are being targeted. " And so they should! Hamas etc are using them in a way the UN did not design, and Israel is perfectly within its rights to blow them up if they are being misused.[/p][/quote]"And so they should" Really? You heartless fool, there are CHILDREN in those schools, children who haven't fired a rocket at a multi billion dollar defense shield causing absolutely no damage, or thrown a stone. Children who were born in a prison with barely enough food to keep them from starvation, no prospects of education or careers. Children who haven't done anything to justify their murder.[/p][/quote]"Really? You heartless fool, there are CHILDREN in those schools, children who haven't fired a rocket at a multi billion dollar defense shield causing absolutely no damage, or thrown a stone. Children who were born in a prison with barely enough food to keep them from starvation, no prospects of education or careers. Children who haven't done anything to justify their murder." They shouldn't be there. In fact, Hamas places them in danger, yet you don't seem to have a problem with that.[/p][/quote]No israel have refused to allow anyone in Gaza to leave. So it is the terrorists in israel that have put them there. Shut up you zionist.[/p][/quote]So you're too stupid to realise that Gazans were instructed to leave Gaza City. Who switches your computer on? notslimjim
  • Score: 2

7:49am Sat 23 Aug 14

Nikski says...

notslimjim wrote:
Nikski wrote:
robinxx wrote:
As a newcomer to Brighton and Hove I applaud the general tolerance shown to most sections of society. I am however appalled by the very anti-semitic attitude of people from all sections of society here. The weekly protests outside Soda Stream by the neo nasty Palestian Supporters in collusion with Sussex Police, Caroline Lucas and local councillors in order to close the shop down was in fact a state sponsored campaign of bullying and harrasment which Nazi Germany would have been proud of.

Shame on you Brighton and Hove.
What utter drivel! You are a joke (admittedly an unfunny one), why don't you go back to wherever you came from?
And if he's just come to this country?

Nice bit of racism from Nikski.
There's no racism there I was suggesting that the person return to the town/city/village from which they had moved to Brighton. As we all know Brighton attracts people from all over Britain for many
[quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nikski[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]robinxx[/bold] wrote: As a newcomer to Brighton and Hove I applaud the general tolerance shown to most sections of society. I am however appalled by the very anti-semitic attitude of people from all sections of society here. The weekly protests outside Soda Stream by the neo nasty Palestian Supporters in collusion with Sussex Police, Caroline Lucas and local councillors in order to close the shop down was in fact a state sponsored campaign of bullying and harrasment which Nazi Germany would have been proud of. Shame on you Brighton and Hove.[/p][/quote]What utter drivel! You are a joke (admittedly an unfunny one), why don't you go back to wherever you came from?[/p][/quote]And if he's just come to this country? Nice bit of racism from Nikski.[/p][/quote]There's no racism there I was suggesting that the person return to the town/city/village from which they had moved to Brighton. As we all know Brighton attracts people from all over Britain for many Nikski
  • Score: -6

8:02am Sat 23 Aug 14

Nikski says...

(Continued) varied reasons and it seems a large proportion of the population were not born here as you don't often meet a true Brightonian. I believe it is a good thing to have a cosmopolitan city but I'm afraid the comments by robinxx were just silly and wrong! I made no reference to their race or nationality so do not try to smear me as a racist. You are a racist, however, and everyone knows that because you're posting history is evidence of it, as well as showing you are homophobic. All in all a general bigot then!
(Continued) varied reasons and it seems a large proportion of the population were not born here as you don't often meet a true Brightonian. I believe it is a good thing to have a cosmopolitan city but I'm afraid the comments by robinxx were just silly and wrong! I made no reference to their race or nationality so do not try to smear me as a racist. You are a racist, however, and everyone knows that because you're posting history is evidence of it, as well as showing you are homophobic. All in all a general bigot then! Nikski
  • Score: -1

8:55am Sat 23 Aug 14

Hovenick says...

Before Hamas came to power, there were on going but very difficult talks going on with the Palestinian Authority and Israel. In those days movement between the Gaza Strip and Israel was very much easier. Then Hamas came to power. In the light of what happened I just ask questions.

1. The declared and never changing policy of Hamas was the destruction of the whole state of Israel. When commenting on this debate, is this what you want?

2. If this is the policy of the group, do you blame Israel for taking preventative measures to protect themselves?

3. Then tunnels were dug to aid the import into Gaza of arms and other materials which could not be called humanitarian. Other tunnels were then dug for developing terrorist activity into Israel... why should Israel put up with this?

4. Then rockets were launched against the Israeli cities - Should the israelis have just stood by?

5. At every truce or ceasefire it is Hamas who has launched the rockets in breach? Why should Israel stand by and not retalliate?

The anti-Zionists are just unrealistic if they expect the retalliation to be limited.. The only way to deal with this situation is to destroy the cause and the cause is Hamas.

Everything else is the desparately sad and inevitable results of the above.
Before Hamas came to power, there were on going but very difficult talks going on with the Palestinian Authority and Israel. In those days movement between the Gaza Strip and Israel was very much easier. Then Hamas came to power. In the light of what happened I just ask questions. 1. The declared and never changing policy of Hamas was the destruction of the whole state of Israel. When commenting on this debate, is this what you want? 2. If this is the policy of the group, do you blame Israel for taking preventative measures to protect themselves? 3. Then tunnels were dug to aid the import into Gaza of arms and other materials which could not be called humanitarian. Other tunnels were then dug for developing terrorist activity into Israel... why should Israel put up with this? 4. Then rockets were launched against the Israeli cities - Should the israelis have just stood by? 5. At every truce or ceasefire it is Hamas who has launched the rockets in breach? Why should Israel stand by and not retalliate? The anti-Zionists are just unrealistic if they expect the retalliation to be limited.. The only way to deal with this situation is to destroy the cause and the cause is Hamas. Everything else is the desparately sad and inevitable results of the above. Hovenick
  • Score: 13

9:50am Sat 23 Aug 14

Ish1 says...

getThisCoalitionOut wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
mhaiti wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
mhaiti wrote: Come on Argus this is a very leading headline. The call is not to boycott Israel, but to boycott goods and services that are produced and provided from illegally (under International Law) occupied territories. This whole offensive started when 3 israeli teens were tragically killed by a group that has since been proven are not affiliated with Hamas (the political party). It was also proven that the Israeli leadership knew that they were dead and who had killed them while they were stringing along the line that they had been kidnapped and blaming Hamas. Using an example closer to home, this is like us shelling Belfast indiscriminantly following the bombing of the Grand Hotel. I am not naive enough to believe that some elements of Hamas are not guilty of war crimes but it's the response that angers me. It is completely disproportionate, kids are being targeting (football boys on the beach), ambulances carrying victims are being targeted, hospitals and UN schools are being targeted. Where does it end? This is not a war by any means, this is a massacre. Jailers have a responsibility for the welfare of their prisoners, Gaza is a prison and Israel is doing nothing to ensure the safety of the innocent populace (women, children, elderly and ordinary citizens).
" The call is not to boycott Israel, but to boycott goods and services that are produced and provided from illegally (under International Law) occupied territories. " No, it isn't, so you're wrong yet again. Here's what BDS says: "In view of the fact that people of conscience in the international community have historically shouldered the moral responsibility to fight injustice, as exemplified in the struggle to abolish apartheid in South Africa through diverse forms of boycott, divestment and sanctions; and Inspired by the struggle of South Africans against apartheid and in the spirit of international solidarity, moral consistency and resistance to injustice and oppression; We, representatives of Palestinian civil society, call upon international civil society organizations and people of conscience all over the world to impose broad boycotts and implement divestment initiatives against Israel similar to those applied to South Africa in the apartheid era. We appeal to you to pressure your respective states to impose embargoes and sanctions against Israel. We also invite conscientious Israelis to support this Call, for the sake of justice and genuine peace." Note the complete absence of specific references to goods produced 'illegally'. "This whole offensive started when 3 israeli teens were tragically killed by a group that has since been proven are not affiliated with Hamas (the political party). " The Hamas connection (or lack of it) is totally irrelevant. They were killed by Palestinians from Gaza. The daily shelling of Israel from Gaza is done by supporters of all parties, so Israel is perfectly correct in responding to them all. The fact that Hamas still argues for the destruction of the Israeli state means that its leaders will receive particular attention, especially as Hamas is a proscribed terrorist organisation. " Using an example closer to home, this is like us shelling Belfast indiscriminantly following the bombing of the Grand Hotel." Gaza isn't being bombed indiscriminately. If it were, the entire region would have been flattened within two days of the start of this crisis, with no need for IDF soldiers to set one foot in Gaza. " UN schools are being targeted. " And so they should! Hamas etc are using them in a way the UN did not design, and Israel is perfectly within its rights to blow them up if they are being misused.
"And so they should"

Really? You heartless fool, there are CHILDREN in those schools, children who haven't fired a rocket at a multi billion dollar defense shield causing absolutely no damage, or thrown a stone. Children who were born in a prison with barely enough food to keep them from starvation, no prospects of education or careers. Children who haven't done anything to justify their murder.
"Really? You heartless fool, there are CHILDREN in those schools, children who haven't fired a rocket at a multi billion dollar defense shield causing absolutely no damage, or thrown a stone. Children who were born in a prison with barely enough food to keep them from starvation, no prospects of education or careers. Children who haven't done anything to justify their murder."

They shouldn't be there.

In fact, Hamas places them in danger, yet you don't seem to have a problem with that.
No israel have refused to allow anyone in Gaza to leave.

So it is the terrorists in israel that have put them there.

Shut up you zionist.
Why don't you have the honesty to admit that you are an antisemite?

Oh I forgot you are a left winger and would therefore not know the meaning of honesty.
[quote][p][bold]getThisCoalitionOut[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mhaiti[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mhaiti[/bold] wrote: Come on Argus this is a very leading headline. The call is not to boycott Israel, but to boycott goods and services that are produced and provided from illegally (under International Law) occupied territories. This whole offensive started when 3 israeli teens were tragically killed by a group that has since been proven are not affiliated with Hamas (the political party). It was also proven that the Israeli leadership knew that they were dead and who had killed them while they were stringing along the line that they had been kidnapped and blaming Hamas. Using an example closer to home, this is like us shelling Belfast indiscriminantly following the bombing of the Grand Hotel. I am not naive enough to believe that some elements of Hamas are not guilty of war crimes but it's the response that angers me. It is completely disproportionate, kids are being targeting (football boys on the beach), ambulances carrying victims are being targeted, hospitals and UN schools are being targeted. Where does it end? This is not a war by any means, this is a massacre. Jailers have a responsibility for the welfare of their prisoners, Gaza is a prison and Israel is doing nothing to ensure the safety of the innocent populace (women, children, elderly and ordinary citizens).[/p][/quote]" The call is not to boycott Israel, but to boycott goods and services that are produced and provided from illegally (under International Law) occupied territories. " No, it isn't, so you're wrong yet again. Here's what BDS says: "In view of the fact that people of conscience in the international community have historically shouldered the moral responsibility to fight injustice, as exemplified in the struggle to abolish apartheid in South Africa through diverse forms of boycott, divestment and sanctions; and Inspired by the struggle of South Africans against apartheid and in the spirit of international solidarity, moral consistency and resistance to injustice and oppression; We, representatives of Palestinian civil society, call upon international civil society organizations and people of conscience all over the world to impose broad boycotts and implement divestment initiatives against Israel similar to those applied to South Africa in the apartheid era. We appeal to you to pressure your respective states to impose embargoes and sanctions against Israel. We also invite conscientious Israelis to support this Call, for the sake of justice and genuine peace." Note the complete absence of specific references to goods produced 'illegally'. "This whole offensive started when 3 israeli teens were tragically killed by a group that has since been proven are not affiliated with Hamas (the political party). " The Hamas connection (or lack of it) is totally irrelevant. They were killed by Palestinians from Gaza. The daily shelling of Israel from Gaza is done by supporters of all parties, so Israel is perfectly correct in responding to them all. The fact that Hamas still argues for the destruction of the Israeli state means that its leaders will receive particular attention, especially as Hamas is a proscribed terrorist organisation. " Using an example closer to home, this is like us shelling Belfast indiscriminantly following the bombing of the Grand Hotel." Gaza isn't being bombed indiscriminately. If it were, the entire region would have been flattened within two days of the start of this crisis, with no need for IDF soldiers to set one foot in Gaza. " UN schools are being targeted. " And so they should! Hamas etc are using them in a way the UN did not design, and Israel is perfectly within its rights to blow them up if they are being misused.[/p][/quote]"And so they should" Really? You heartless fool, there are CHILDREN in those schools, children who haven't fired a rocket at a multi billion dollar defense shield causing absolutely no damage, or thrown a stone. Children who were born in a prison with barely enough food to keep them from starvation, no prospects of education or careers. Children who haven't done anything to justify their murder.[/p][/quote]"Really? You heartless fool, there are CHILDREN in those schools, children who haven't fired a rocket at a multi billion dollar defense shield causing absolutely no damage, or thrown a stone. Children who were born in a prison with barely enough food to keep them from starvation, no prospects of education or careers. Children who haven't done anything to justify their murder." They shouldn't be there. In fact, Hamas places them in danger, yet you don't seem to have a problem with that.[/p][/quote]No israel have refused to allow anyone in Gaza to leave. So it is the terrorists in israel that have put them there. Shut up you zionist.[/p][/quote]Why don't you have the honesty to admit that you are an antisemite? Oh I forgot you are a left winger and would therefore not know the meaning of honesty. Ish1
  • Score: 7

9:51am Sat 23 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

Nikski wrote:
(Continued) varied reasons and it seems a large proportion of the population were not born here as you don't often meet a true Brightonian. I believe it is a good thing to have a cosmopolitan city but I'm afraid the comments by robinxx were just silly and wrong! I made no reference to their race or nationality so do not try to smear me as a racist. You are a racist, however, and everyone knows that because you're posting history is evidence of it, as well as showing you are homophobic. All in all a general bigot then!
You posted a racist comment by telling someone to back to where they had come from without bothering to check from where they had come.

You were quite happy, therefore, to make that comment even if they had come from another country, which means that you will use that instruction on anyone who complains about coming to this place.

You were caught out showing your racism.

When you find examples of others making racist comments, please do quote them and explain why you consider them to be racist. Merely claiming that someone is shows YOUR prejudice and ignorance.
[quote][p][bold]Nikski[/bold] wrote: (Continued) varied reasons and it seems a large proportion of the population were not born here as you don't often meet a true Brightonian. I believe it is a good thing to have a cosmopolitan city but I'm afraid the comments by robinxx were just silly and wrong! I made no reference to their race or nationality so do not try to smear me as a racist. You are a racist, however, and everyone knows that because you're posting history is evidence of it, as well as showing you are homophobic. All in all a general bigot then![/p][/quote]You posted a racist comment by telling someone to back to where they had come from without bothering to check from where they had come. You were quite happy, therefore, to make that comment even if they had come from another country, which means that you will use that instruction on anyone who complains about coming to this place. You were caught out showing your racism. When you find examples of others making racist comments, please do quote them and explain why you consider them to be racist. Merely claiming that someone is shows YOUR prejudice and ignorance. notslimjim
  • Score: 5

9:52am Sat 23 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

getThisCoalitionOut wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
Does anyone remember the trials?

http://www.bbc.co.uk


/news/world-middle-e


ast-28896346

Me neither.

That's because there weren't any.

They are truly barbarians, and yet people on here are defending them.
you are quoting the bbc - the most untrustworthy organisation that has a jew for a chairman who is married to a Rothschild.

now stop lying through your zionist teeth.
'Zionist'??


Lol....your desperation leaves footprints......as does your ignorance.
[quote][p][bold]getThisCoalitionOut[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: Does anyone remember the trials? http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/world-middle-e ast-28896346 Me neither. That's because there weren't any. They are truly barbarians, and yet people on here are defending them.[/p][/quote]you are quoting the bbc - the most untrustworthy organisation that has a jew for a chairman who is married to a Rothschild. now stop lying through your zionist teeth.[/p][/quote]'Zionist'?? Lol....your desperation leaves footprints......as does your ignorance. notslimjim
  • Score: 5

10:02am Sat 23 Aug 14

yifat says...

Thank you so much Ben Duncan for proposing this motion supporting BDS, a non-violent and very effective way of making Israel comply with International law and ending its treatment of Palestinians as sub-humans. At last a politician with integrity!
Thank you so much Ben Duncan for proposing this motion supporting BDS, a non-violent and very effective way of making Israel comply with International law and ending its treatment of Palestinians as sub-humans. At last a politician with integrity! yifat
  • Score: -12

10:23am Sat 23 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

yifat wrote:
Thank you so much Ben Duncan for proposing this motion supporting BDS, a non-violent and very effective way of making Israel comply with International law and ending its treatment of Palestinians as sub-humans. At last a politician with integrity!
Palestinians are virulent homophobes, as well as violent thugs who send missiles into Israel on a daily basis.

Still think they're warm and fuzzy?
[quote][p][bold]yifat[/bold] wrote: Thank you so much Ben Duncan for proposing this motion supporting BDS, a non-violent and very effective way of making Israel comply with International law and ending its treatment of Palestinians as sub-humans. At last a politician with integrity![/p][/quote]Palestinians are virulent homophobes, as well as violent thugs who send missiles into Israel on a daily basis. Still think they're warm and fuzzy? notslimjim
  • Score: 6

10:23am Sat 23 Aug 14

yifat says...

By the way even if reading books isn't your cup of tea, it isn't impossible for you to find out that Hamas was created in 1987. So if according to your logic they are the cause to the problems, how do you explain the shameful treatment of Palestinians by the Israelis prior to Hamas' existence? Imprisonment and torture, land and resource appropriation, killings and shocking racism are some of the abuses the Palestinians have had to endure long before the creation of Hamas. If the latter didn't exist Israel would find another excuse to carry out these abuses. In order to achieve peace for all, this shocking, inhumane behaviour has got to stop.
By the way even if reading books isn't your cup of tea, it isn't impossible for you to find out that Hamas was created in 1987. So if according to your logic they are the cause to the problems, how do you explain the shameful treatment of Palestinians by the Israelis prior to Hamas' existence? Imprisonment and torture, land and resource appropriation, killings and shocking racism are some of the abuses the Palestinians have had to endure long before the creation of Hamas. If the latter didn't exist Israel would find another excuse to carry out these abuses. In order to achieve peace for all, this shocking, inhumane behaviour has got to stop. yifat
  • Score: -8

11:25am Sat 23 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

yifat wrote:
By the way even if reading books isn't your cup of tea, it isn't impossible for you to find out that Hamas was created in 1987. So if according to your logic they are the cause to the problems, how do you explain the shameful treatment of Palestinians by the Israelis prior to Hamas' existence? Imprisonment and torture, land and resource appropriation, killings and shocking racism are some of the abuses the Palestinians have had to endure long before the creation of Hamas. If the latter didn't exist Israel would find another excuse to carry out these abuses. In order to achieve peace for all, this shocking, inhumane behaviour has got to stop.
Terrorists require catching and punishing.

Israel renounced all claims to land in Gaza nearly a decade ago.

Israel gets shelled daily from Gaza, and occasionally the IDF take steps to reduce that shelling.

I'm still waiting for your response to the rampant homophobia exhibited by Gazans, and I'm also interested to learn what you think about the murder of 18 Gazans this week by Hamas for crimes that weren't even proven in court.
[quote][p][bold]yifat[/bold] wrote: By the way even if reading books isn't your cup of tea, it isn't impossible for you to find out that Hamas was created in 1987. So if according to your logic they are the cause to the problems, how do you explain the shameful treatment of Palestinians by the Israelis prior to Hamas' existence? Imprisonment and torture, land and resource appropriation, killings and shocking racism are some of the abuses the Palestinians have had to endure long before the creation of Hamas. If the latter didn't exist Israel would find another excuse to carry out these abuses. In order to achieve peace for all, this shocking, inhumane behaviour has got to stop.[/p][/quote]Terrorists require catching and punishing. Israel renounced all claims to land in Gaza nearly a decade ago. Israel gets shelled daily from Gaza, and occasionally the IDF take steps to reduce that shelling. I'm still waiting for your response to the rampant homophobia exhibited by Gazans, and I'm also interested to learn what you think about the murder of 18 Gazans this week by Hamas for crimes that weren't even proven in court. notslimjim
  • Score: 17

12:56pm Sat 23 Aug 14

Hove Actually says...

Saw a bumper sticker and thought of you, it read
"Those who do not stand behind our troops are always
free to to stand in front of them"...
Saw a bumper sticker and thought of you, it read "Those who do not stand behind our troops are always free to to stand in front of them"... Hove Actually
  • Score: 10

1:50pm Sat 23 Aug 14

Libertarian Patriot says...

At first I thought Councillor Ben might be with one of the far left-right parties who tolerate no one unless they conform to their narrow totalitarian notions of government. A Green, of all things!

Ant-semitism is ugly Councillor Ben and boycotting a company because it happens to be Israeli when you could be boycotting hundreds of other companies operating here from nations that do not allow the personal freedoms and democracy that Israel offers.

For example, most Middle Eastern countries are Moslem and the Quaran is quite clear about the penalty for homosexuals and the status of women. The adherents of the Religion of "Peace" are currently busily exterminating entire people groups and are about to begin the slaughter of their own who happen to be of a different branch of Mohammed (Shia). And yet no boycotts of their places of business starting with Sainsbury's which happens to be 26% owned by homophobic Qatar. How about Harrods Mr. Councillor?

Israel is a nation with a UN charter that says it exists. Hamas have a charter that says Israel has no right to exist hence the daily rockets into Iraeli territory. Now, if Hamas did the right thing they would launch their rockets form open fields and keep civilians out of harms way. Buy they do not do this Councillor Ben. No, they fire their rockets from school grounds, hospitals, marketplaces etc. If you care to look you can go onto youtube and watch a German film crew get footage of Hamas in the process of herding Palestinians into buildings earmarked for future destruction by the EDF, notice having been served so there is no excuse ("Hamas using Palestinians as human shield -Gaza 2014").

You and the hard left-right fascist who boycott Israeli businesses, even Tesco and Sainsbury as we saw this past week, for selling Isareli goods ought to be ashamed. We do not live in a socialaist or a national socialist nation, yet.
At first I thought Councillor Ben might be with one of the far left-right parties who tolerate no one unless they conform to their narrow totalitarian notions of government. A Green, of all things! Ant-semitism is ugly Councillor Ben and boycotting a company because it happens to be Israeli when you could be boycotting hundreds of other companies operating here from nations that do not allow the personal freedoms and democracy that Israel offers. For example, most Middle Eastern countries are Moslem and the Quaran is quite clear about the penalty for homosexuals and the status of women. The adherents of the Religion of "Peace" are currently busily exterminating entire people groups and are about to begin the slaughter of their own who happen to be of a different branch of Mohammed (Shia). And yet no boycotts of their places of business starting with Sainsbury's which happens to be 26% owned by homophobic Qatar. How about Harrods Mr. Councillor? Israel is a nation with a UN charter that says it exists. Hamas have a charter that says Israel has no right to exist hence the daily rockets into Iraeli territory. Now, if Hamas did the right thing they would launch their rockets form open fields and keep civilians out of harms way. Buy they do not do this Councillor Ben. No, they fire their rockets from school grounds, hospitals, marketplaces etc. If you care to look you can go onto youtube and watch a German film crew get footage of Hamas in the process of herding Palestinians into buildings earmarked for future destruction by the EDF, notice having been served so there is no excuse ("Hamas using Palestinians as human shield -Gaza 2014"). You and the hard left-right fascist who boycott Israeli businesses, even Tesco and Sainsbury as we saw this past week, for selling Isareli goods ought to be ashamed. We do not live in a socialaist or a national socialist nation, yet. Libertarian Patriot
  • Score: 14

2:27pm Sat 23 Aug 14

Libertarian Patriot says...

yifat wrote:
By the way even if reading books isn't your cup of tea, it isn't impossible for you to find out that Hamas was created in 1987. So if according to your logic they are the cause to the problems, how do you explain the shameful treatment of Palestinians by the Israelis prior to Hamas' existence? Imprisonment and torture, land and resource appropriation, killings and shocking racism are some of the abuses the Palestinians have had to endure long before the creation of Hamas. If the latter didn't exist Israel would find another excuse to carry out these abuses. In order to achieve peace for all, this shocking, inhumane behaviour has got to stop.
Before Hamas there was Fata--the group that like to push old age pensioners off their whellchairs into the sea or who see plane hijacking as a way of terrorising tourists. Yassir Arafat, terroist extraoredinaire, killed thousands and swore to wipe Israel off the map. Whatever they are called, Islam has one two-stage goal: Destroy Israel and subjugate the kafir nations (we are are kafir nation iun the process of "Al Hijra"--Google away).
[quote][p][bold]yifat[/bold] wrote: By the way even if reading books isn't your cup of tea, it isn't impossible for you to find out that Hamas was created in 1987. So if according to your logic they are the cause to the problems, how do you explain the shameful treatment of Palestinians by the Israelis prior to Hamas' existence? Imprisonment and torture, land and resource appropriation, killings and shocking racism are some of the abuses the Palestinians have had to endure long before the creation of Hamas. If the latter didn't exist Israel would find another excuse to carry out these abuses. In order to achieve peace for all, this shocking, inhumane behaviour has got to stop.[/p][/quote]Before Hamas there was Fata--the group that like to push old age pensioners off their whellchairs into the sea or who see plane hijacking as a way of terrorising tourists. Yassir Arafat, terroist extraoredinaire, killed thousands and swore to wipe Israel off the map. Whatever they are called, Islam has one two-stage goal: Destroy Israel and subjugate the kafir nations (we are are kafir nation iun the process of "Al Hijra"--Google away). Libertarian Patriot
  • Score: 7

3:52pm Sat 23 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

yifat wrote:
Thank you so much Ben Duncan for proposing this motion supporting BDS, a non-violent and very effective way of making Israel comply with International law and ending its treatment of Palestinians as sub-humans. At last a politician with integrity!
Homosexuality among males is ILLEGAL in Gaza.

Still think that Gazans are a cause worth arguing for?
[quote][p][bold]yifat[/bold] wrote: Thank you so much Ben Duncan for proposing this motion supporting BDS, a non-violent and very effective way of making Israel comply with International law and ending its treatment of Palestinians as sub-humans. At last a politician with integrity![/p][/quote]Homosexuality among males is ILLEGAL in Gaza. Still think that Gazans are a cause worth arguing for? notslimjim
  • Score: 4

12:23pm Sun 24 Aug 14

NickBrt says...

You know lots about gay issues don't you stevo/Jim?! Beware of bushes tomorrow mate its due to rain heavily.
You know lots about gay issues don't you stevo/Jim?! Beware of bushes tomorrow mate its due to rain heavily. NickBrt
  • Score: 3

2:16am Mon 25 Aug 14

Tolstoy says...

I hope Ben Duncan is now careful not to take advantage of any if the list of Israeli inventions -perhaps BHCC should pass a motion against them too?
I hope Ben Duncan is now careful not to take advantage of any if the list of Israeli inventions -perhaps BHCC should pass a motion against them too? Tolstoy
  • Score: 4

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