Hyypia would be a great choice

Sami Hyypia would soon learn about the Championship, says Mark Lawrenson

Sami Hyypia would soon learn about the Championship, says Mark Lawrenson

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Sami Hyypia was today hailed as “a great choice” for Albion – as his odds to become manager tumbled dramatically.

The former Liverpool and Finland defender has emerged as a leading candidate to replace Oscar Garcia.

He went from rank outsider to odds-on favourite during a dramatic few hours yesterday.

Chairman Tony Bloom has kept his cards close to his chest throughout the process of replacing Oscar, who resigned more than three weeks ago.

No appointment had been made last night but former Albion and Liverpool star Mark Lawrenson is convinced Hyypia would be a shrewd selection by the Seagulls.

Lawrenson told The Argus: “I think he would be a great choice.

“He is still relatively young. He is hands-on.

“He knows English football. Okay, he has been in the Premier League. But he is bright. He would soon learn about Championship “He didn’t do a bad job in Germany as far as I could see.”

Hyypia was hugely popular as a player at Anfield, making 464 appearances for the Reds.

He finished his career with Bayer Leverkusen and eventually became their manager, initially in partnership with Sascha Lewandowski.

Hyppia was sacked two months ago after two years in charge, despite a respectable win ratio of 54%.

However, he remained ambitious to manage in England and has also been linked with jobs at West Brom and Southampton.

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5:17am Wed 4 Jun 14

Albion In Staffs says...

I posted this on the old story minutes before this one appeared......

It's amazing how opinion can change depending on which way the wind is blowing and I include myself in that.
The current favourite is certainly a name from left field, but would his appointment REALLY indicate we've 'failed' to attract a high calibre manager as some have suggested in the last 24 hours?
People's opinion is naturally subjective and, as fans, based largely on an irrational knee jerk reaction rather than deeper fact.
But with Hyppia having played for ten years in the division we aspire to, represented his country over a hundred times and respectably managed a decent side in the Bundesliga for 18 months, he surely has on that basis, far better credentials than Tim Sherwood and Brian McDermott for starters. Then again, people will say Sherwood did well at Spurs and McDermoot took Reading up so they have other attributes. The argument becomes almost infinite.
Chris Hughton clearly has more managerial experience, but do his results back that up against Hyppia? It's that level of detail the board will be looking at when they consider their options. Who is best in this area? Is there someone we can talk to about him? This guy feels a better fit in terms of playing style, but he's inexperienced..
So my point is this..... Rather than suggesting the potential appointment of Hyppia means we've failed, perhaps it actually means we've been comprehensive in our due diligence?
Just a thought....
I posted this on the old story minutes before this one appeared...... It's amazing how opinion can change depending on which way the wind is blowing and I include myself in that. The current favourite is certainly a name from left field, but would his appointment REALLY indicate we've 'failed' to attract a high calibre manager as some have suggested in the last 24 hours? People's opinion is naturally subjective and, as fans, based largely on an irrational knee jerk reaction rather than deeper fact. But with Hyppia having played for ten years in the division we aspire to, represented his country over a hundred times and respectably managed a decent side in the Bundesliga for 18 months, he surely has on that basis, far better credentials than Tim Sherwood and Brian McDermott for starters. Then again, people will say Sherwood did well at Spurs and McDermoot took Reading up so they have other attributes. The argument becomes almost infinite. Chris Hughton clearly has more managerial experience, but do his results back that up against Hyppia? It's that level of detail the board will be looking at when they consider their options. Who is best in this area? Is there someone we can talk to about him? This guy feels a better fit in terms of playing style, but he's inexperienced.. So my point is this..... Rather than suggesting the potential appointment of Hyppia means we've failed, perhaps it actually means we've been comprehensive in our due diligence? Just a thought.... Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 47

5:21am Wed 4 Jun 14

mark by the sea says...

Hardly a ringing endorsement , if he did such a great job, why was he not snapped in Germany by people who saw him operate?
This guy can't be one of the outstanding candidates in my opinion, he has no coaching or management experience in the uk , had he played 500 games for west brom would that make him a better or worse candidate?
I sense this is the guy prepared to take the job whatever .
I feel his announcement will include jones moving to a contact between the suits and the manager .. This will be to help communications,
I will no doubt be told I am half empty glass , but I don't buy into this appointment, 3 weeks ago we has high calibre candidates? If hyypia is the best who else wanted it? Sherwood turned it down, and I can only think others too.
Hardly a ringing endorsement , if he did such a great job, why was he not snapped in Germany by people who saw him operate? This guy can't be one of the outstanding candidates in my opinion, he has no coaching or management experience in the uk , had he played 500 games for west brom would that make him a better or worse candidate? I sense this is the guy prepared to take the job whatever . I feel his announcement will include jones moving to a contact between the suits and the manager .. This will be to help communications, I will no doubt be told I am half empty glass , but I don't buy into this appointment, 3 weeks ago we has high calibre candidates? If hyypia is the best who else wanted it? Sherwood turned it down, and I can only think others too. mark by the sea
  • Score: -30

5:24am Wed 4 Jun 14

mark by the sea says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
I posted this on the old story minutes before this one appeared......

It's amazing how opinion can change depending on which way the wind is blowing and I include myself in that.
The current favourite is certainly a name from left field, but would his appointment REALLY indicate we've 'failed' to attract a high calibre manager as some have suggested in the last 24 hours?
People's opinion is naturally subjective and, as fans, based largely on an irrational knee jerk reaction rather than deeper fact.
But with Hyppia having played for ten years in the division we aspire to, represented his country over a hundred times and respectably managed a decent side in the Bundesliga for 18 months, he surely has on that basis, far better credentials than Tim Sherwood and Brian McDermott for starters. Then again, people will say Sherwood did well at Spurs and McDermoot took Reading up so they have other attributes. The argument becomes almost infinite.
Chris Hughton clearly has more managerial experience, but do his results back that up against Hyppia? It's that level of detail the board will be looking at when they consider their options. Who is best in this area? Is there someone we can talk to about him? This guy feels a better fit in terms of playing style, but he's inexperienced..
So my point is this..... Rather than suggesting the potential appointment of Hyppia means we've failed, perhaps it actually means we've been comprehensive in our due diligence?
Just a thought....
Morning , what experience does hyypia have of coaching in this country?
Is he any better than jimmy case was ?
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: I posted this on the old story minutes before this one appeared...... It's amazing how opinion can change depending on which way the wind is blowing and I include myself in that. The current favourite is certainly a name from left field, but would his appointment REALLY indicate we've 'failed' to attract a high calibre manager as some have suggested in the last 24 hours? People's opinion is naturally subjective and, as fans, based largely on an irrational knee jerk reaction rather than deeper fact. But with Hyppia having played for ten years in the division we aspire to, represented his country over a hundred times and respectably managed a decent side in the Bundesliga for 18 months, he surely has on that basis, far better credentials than Tim Sherwood and Brian McDermott for starters. Then again, people will say Sherwood did well at Spurs and McDermoot took Reading up so they have other attributes. The argument becomes almost infinite. Chris Hughton clearly has more managerial experience, but do his results back that up against Hyppia? It's that level of detail the board will be looking at when they consider their options. Who is best in this area? Is there someone we can talk to about him? This guy feels a better fit in terms of playing style, but he's inexperienced.. So my point is this..... Rather than suggesting the potential appointment of Hyppia means we've failed, perhaps it actually means we've been comprehensive in our due diligence? Just a thought....[/p][/quote]Morning , what experience does hyypia have of coaching in this country? Is he any better than jimmy case was ? mark by the sea
  • Score: -14

5:39am Wed 4 Jun 14

Jonathan Mouette says...

Sami will be a great appointment if he is left to do the job without interference from down the corridor. People objecting because his managerial experience has not been gained in this country would probably favour Farage getting the job. UTA...!!!
Sami will be a great appointment if he is left to do the job without interference from down the corridor. People objecting because his managerial experience has not been gained in this country would probably favour Farage getting the job. UTA...!!! Jonathan Mouette
  • Score: 17

5:39am Wed 4 Jun 14

Albion In Staffs says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
I posted this on the old story minutes before this one appeared......

It's amazing how opinion can change depending on which way the wind is blowing and I include myself in that.
The current favourite is certainly a name from left field, but would his appointment REALLY indicate we've 'failed' to attract a high calibre manager as some have suggested in the last 24 hours?
People's opinion is naturally subjective and, as fans, based largely on an irrational knee jerk reaction rather than deeper fact.
But with Hyppia having played for ten years in the division we aspire to, represented his country over a hundred times and respectably managed a decent side in the Bundesliga for 18 months, he surely has on that basis, far better credentials than Tim Sherwood and Brian McDermott for starters. Then again, people will say Sherwood did well at Spurs and McDermoot took Reading up so they have other attributes. The argument becomes almost infinite.
Chris Hughton clearly has more managerial experience, but do his results back that up against Hyppia? It's that level of detail the board will be looking at when they consider their options. Who is best in this area? Is there someone we can talk to about him? This guy feels a better fit in terms of playing style, but he's inexperienced..
So my point is this..... Rather than suggesting the potential appointment of Hyppia means we've failed, perhaps it actually means we've been comprehensive in our due diligence?
Just a thought....
Morning , what experience does hyypia have of coaching in this country?
Is he any better than jimmy case was ?
On the basis of that direct comparison, at this moment the answer is no, but then again you could say the same about Gus's appointment given his previous lack of coaching experience.
As I said previously, it's subjective and I understand why you're underwhelmed, but in answer to your point that he can't be any good because he hasn't been 'snapped up' by someone else, I'd say on that basis, we'd never be happy with anyone who takes the job.
My point is that perhaps - just perhaps - they've uncovered a decent operator. I don't know that for certain and by Christmas we could all be lamenting the decision. (if it transpires) And yes, he could be the only bloke prepared to work under what appears to be a cast-iron set up and do as he's told...
No-one comes with guarantees, but sometimes the obvious answers aren't the right ones. If he's appointed, the opinion's will ebb and flow until we've played a few games. Gotta love football!
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: I posted this on the old story minutes before this one appeared...... It's amazing how opinion can change depending on which way the wind is blowing and I include myself in that. The current favourite is certainly a name from left field, but would his appointment REALLY indicate we've 'failed' to attract a high calibre manager as some have suggested in the last 24 hours? People's opinion is naturally subjective and, as fans, based largely on an irrational knee jerk reaction rather than deeper fact. But with Hyppia having played for ten years in the division we aspire to, represented his country over a hundred times and respectably managed a decent side in the Bundesliga for 18 months, he surely has on that basis, far better credentials than Tim Sherwood and Brian McDermott for starters. Then again, people will say Sherwood did well at Spurs and McDermoot took Reading up so they have other attributes. The argument becomes almost infinite. Chris Hughton clearly has more managerial experience, but do his results back that up against Hyppia? It's that level of detail the board will be looking at when they consider their options. Who is best in this area? Is there someone we can talk to about him? This guy feels a better fit in terms of playing style, but he's inexperienced.. So my point is this..... Rather than suggesting the potential appointment of Hyppia means we've failed, perhaps it actually means we've been comprehensive in our due diligence? Just a thought....[/p][/quote]Morning , what experience does hyypia have of coaching in this country? Is he any better than jimmy case was ?[/p][/quote]On the basis of that direct comparison, at this moment the answer is no, but then again you could say the same about Gus's appointment given his previous lack of coaching experience. As I said previously, it's subjective and I understand why you're underwhelmed, but in answer to your point that he can't be any good because he hasn't been 'snapped up' by someone else, I'd say on that basis, we'd never be happy with anyone who takes the job. My point is that perhaps - just perhaps - they've uncovered a decent operator. I don't know that for certain and by Christmas we could all be lamenting the decision. (if it transpires) And yes, he could be the only bloke prepared to work under what appears to be a cast-iron set up and do as he's told... No-one comes with guarantees, but sometimes the obvious answers aren't the right ones. If he's appointed, the opinion's will ebb and flow until we've played a few games. Gotta love football! Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 18

5:52am Wed 4 Jun 14

mark by the sea says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
I posted this on the old story minutes before this one appeared......

It's amazing how opinion can change depending on which way the wind is blowing and I include myself in that.
The current favourite is certainly a name from left field, but would his appointment REALLY indicate we've 'failed' to attract a high calibre manager as some have suggested in the last 24 hours?
People's opinion is naturally subjective and, as fans, based largely on an irrational knee jerk reaction rather than deeper fact.
But with Hyppia having played for ten years in the division we aspire to, represented his country over a hundred times and respectably managed a decent side in the Bundesliga for 18 months, he surely has on that basis, far better credentials than Tim Sherwood and Brian McDermott for starters. Then again, people will say Sherwood did well at Spurs and McDermoot took Reading up so they have other attributes. The argument becomes almost infinite.
Chris Hughton clearly has more managerial experience, but do his results back that up against Hyppia? It's that level of detail the board will be looking at when they consider their options. Who is best in this area? Is there someone we can talk to about him? This guy feels a better fit in terms of playing style, but he's inexperienced..
So my point is this..... Rather than suggesting the potential appointment of Hyppia means we've failed, perhaps it actually means we've been comprehensive in our due diligence?
Just a thought....
Morning , what experience does hyypia have of coaching in this country?
Is he any better than jimmy case was ?
On the basis of that direct comparison, at this moment the answer is no, but then again you could say the same about Gus's appointment given his previous lack of coaching experience.
As I said previously, it's subjective and I understand why you're underwhelmed, but in answer to your point that he can't be any good because he hasn't been 'snapped up' by someone else, I'd say on that basis, we'd never be happy with anyone who takes the job.
My point is that perhaps - just perhaps - they've uncovered a decent operator. I don't know that for certain and by Christmas we could all be lamenting the decision. (if it transpires) And yes, he could be the only bloke prepared to work under what appears to be a cast-iron set up and do as he's told...
No-one comes with guarantees, but sometimes the obvious answers aren't the right ones. If he's appointed, the opinion's will ebb and flow until we've played a few games. Gotta love football!
Gus poyet has coaching and was assistant manager at Leeds and spurs before becoming the albions manager..
You should read the independent article ( search hyypia coaching qualifications) it appears he was dressing room motivator with a qualified coach , he then became manager and appointed two coaches to work with the players, there is a hint on another thread on that search he is not a qualified coach? Which means if he is not coaching or is going to sign his own players what exactly will he bring? Motivational speeches only work when players listen , looks like jones is being promoted to me.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: I posted this on the old story minutes before this one appeared...... It's amazing how opinion can change depending on which way the wind is blowing and I include myself in that. The current favourite is certainly a name from left field, but would his appointment REALLY indicate we've 'failed' to attract a high calibre manager as some have suggested in the last 24 hours? People's opinion is naturally subjective and, as fans, based largely on an irrational knee jerk reaction rather than deeper fact. But with Hyppia having played for ten years in the division we aspire to, represented his country over a hundred times and respectably managed a decent side in the Bundesliga for 18 months, he surely has on that basis, far better credentials than Tim Sherwood and Brian McDermott for starters. Then again, people will say Sherwood did well at Spurs and McDermoot took Reading up so they have other attributes. The argument becomes almost infinite. Chris Hughton clearly has more managerial experience, but do his results back that up against Hyppia? It's that level of detail the board will be looking at when they consider their options. Who is best in this area? Is there someone we can talk to about him? This guy feels a better fit in terms of playing style, but he's inexperienced.. So my point is this..... Rather than suggesting the potential appointment of Hyppia means we've failed, perhaps it actually means we've been comprehensive in our due diligence? Just a thought....[/p][/quote]Morning , what experience does hyypia have of coaching in this country? Is he any better than jimmy case was ?[/p][/quote]On the basis of that direct comparison, at this moment the answer is no, but then again you could say the same about Gus's appointment given his previous lack of coaching experience. As I said previously, it's subjective and I understand why you're underwhelmed, but in answer to your point that he can't be any good because he hasn't been 'snapped up' by someone else, I'd say on that basis, we'd never be happy with anyone who takes the job. My point is that perhaps - just perhaps - they've uncovered a decent operator. I don't know that for certain and by Christmas we could all be lamenting the decision. (if it transpires) And yes, he could be the only bloke prepared to work under what appears to be a cast-iron set up and do as he's told... No-one comes with guarantees, but sometimes the obvious answers aren't the right ones. If he's appointed, the opinion's will ebb and flow until we've played a few games. Gotta love football![/p][/quote]Gus poyet has coaching and was assistant manager at Leeds and spurs before becoming the albions manager.. You should read the independent article ( search hyypia coaching qualifications) it appears he was dressing room motivator with a qualified coach , he then became manager and appointed two coaches to work with the players, there is a hint on another thread on that search he is not a qualified coach? Which means if he is not coaching or is going to sign his own players what exactly will he bring? Motivational speeches only work when players listen , looks like jones is being promoted to me. mark by the sea
  • Score: -7

5:58am Wed 4 Jun 14

adamcooper138 says...

Hyypia was only manager to beat Bayern Munich at the Allianz in 2012/13 season, must have some managerial skills....
Hyypia was only manager to beat Bayern Munich at the Allianz in 2012/13 season, must have some managerial skills.... adamcooper138
  • Score: 12

6:00am Wed 4 Jun 14

mark by the sea says...

I need to clarify this..
Burke said a few weeks ago ' The new manager will have the same job as OG had, ' by this I assume a coaching roll rather than a manager,
Sami hyypia is not a coach! OG had many years experience in coaching has his A badge obviously...
If Sami is doing the same job,there abilities are miles apart?
I am not knocking him, but his cv is a gamble compared to Gus and OG .
I need to clarify this.. Burke said a few weeks ago ' The new manager will have the same job as OG had, ' by this I assume a coaching roll rather than a manager, Sami hyypia is not a coach! OG had many years experience in coaching has his A badge obviously... If Sami is doing the same job,there abilities are miles apart? I am not knocking him, but his cv is a gamble compared to Gus and OG . mark by the sea
  • Score: -11

6:08am Wed 4 Jun 14

Albion In Staffs says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
I posted this on the old story minutes before this one appeared......

It's amazing how opinion can change depending on which way the wind is blowing and I include myself in that.
The current favourite is certainly a name from left field, but would his appointment REALLY indicate we've 'failed' to attract a high calibre manager as some have suggested in the last 24 hours?
People's opinion is naturally subjective and, as fans, based largely on an irrational knee jerk reaction rather than deeper fact.
But with Hyppia having played for ten years in the division we aspire to, represented his country over a hundred times and respectably managed a decent side in the Bundesliga for 18 months, he surely has on that basis, far better credentials than Tim Sherwood and Brian McDermott for starters. Then again, people will say Sherwood did well at Spurs and McDermoot took Reading up so they have other attributes. The argument becomes almost infinite.
Chris Hughton clearly has more managerial experience, but do his results back that up against Hyppia? It's that level of detail the board will be looking at when they consider their options. Who is best in this area? Is there someone we can talk to about him? This guy feels a better fit in terms of playing style, but he's inexperienced..
So my point is this..... Rather than suggesting the potential appointment of Hyppia means we've failed, perhaps it actually means we've been comprehensive in our due diligence?
Just a thought....
Morning , what experience does hyypia have of coaching in this country?
Is he any better than jimmy case was ?
On the basis of that direct comparison, at this moment the answer is no, but then again you could say the same about Gus's appointment given his previous lack of coaching experience.
As I said previously, it's subjective and I understand why you're underwhelmed, but in answer to your point that he can't be any good because he hasn't been 'snapped up' by someone else, I'd say on that basis, we'd never be happy with anyone who takes the job.
My point is that perhaps - just perhaps - they've uncovered a decent operator. I don't know that for certain and by Christmas we could all be lamenting the decision. (if it transpires) And yes, he could be the only bloke prepared to work under what appears to be a cast-iron set up and do as he's told...
No-one comes with guarantees, but sometimes the obvious answers aren't the right ones. If he's appointed, the opinion's will ebb and flow until we've played a few games. Gotta love football!
Gus poyet has coaching and was assistant manager at Leeds and spurs before becoming the albions manager..
You should read the independent article ( search hyypia coaching qualifications) it appears he was dressing room motivator with a qualified coach , he then became manager and appointed two coaches to work with the players, there is a hint on another thread on that search he is not a qualified coach? Which means if he is not coaching or is going to sign his own players what exactly will he bring? Motivational speeches only work when players listen , looks like jones is being promoted to me.
My point about Gus was that he wasn't previously a manager.
You're clearly not sold on Hyppia which is fine and like anyone with
a strong opinion, you can find information and theory to back your argument.
In truth, I'm not entirely convinced, but I'm rather more inclined to wait and see because there's no way of knowing the full story. I'm merely suggesting our lot may have done a bit more work than some are prepared to admit.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: I posted this on the old story minutes before this one appeared...... It's amazing how opinion can change depending on which way the wind is blowing and I include myself in that. The current favourite is certainly a name from left field, but would his appointment REALLY indicate we've 'failed' to attract a high calibre manager as some have suggested in the last 24 hours? People's opinion is naturally subjective and, as fans, based largely on an irrational knee jerk reaction rather than deeper fact. But with Hyppia having played for ten years in the division we aspire to, represented his country over a hundred times and respectably managed a decent side in the Bundesliga for 18 months, he surely has on that basis, far better credentials than Tim Sherwood and Brian McDermott for starters. Then again, people will say Sherwood did well at Spurs and McDermoot took Reading up so they have other attributes. The argument becomes almost infinite. Chris Hughton clearly has more managerial experience, but do his results back that up against Hyppia? It's that level of detail the board will be looking at when they consider their options. Who is best in this area? Is there someone we can talk to about him? This guy feels a better fit in terms of playing style, but he's inexperienced.. So my point is this..... Rather than suggesting the potential appointment of Hyppia means we've failed, perhaps it actually means we've been comprehensive in our due diligence? Just a thought....[/p][/quote]Morning , what experience does hyypia have of coaching in this country? Is he any better than jimmy case was ?[/p][/quote]On the basis of that direct comparison, at this moment the answer is no, but then again you could say the same about Gus's appointment given his previous lack of coaching experience. As I said previously, it's subjective and I understand why you're underwhelmed, but in answer to your point that he can't be any good because he hasn't been 'snapped up' by someone else, I'd say on that basis, we'd never be happy with anyone who takes the job. My point is that perhaps - just perhaps - they've uncovered a decent operator. I don't know that for certain and by Christmas we could all be lamenting the decision. (if it transpires) And yes, he could be the only bloke prepared to work under what appears to be a cast-iron set up and do as he's told... No-one comes with guarantees, but sometimes the obvious answers aren't the right ones. If he's appointed, the opinion's will ebb and flow until we've played a few games. Gotta love football![/p][/quote]Gus poyet has coaching and was assistant manager at Leeds and spurs before becoming the albions manager.. You should read the independent article ( search hyypia coaching qualifications) it appears he was dressing room motivator with a qualified coach , he then became manager and appointed two coaches to work with the players, there is a hint on another thread on that search he is not a qualified coach? Which means if he is not coaching or is going to sign his own players what exactly will he bring? Motivational speeches only work when players listen , looks like jones is being promoted to me.[/p][/quote]My point about Gus was that he wasn't previously a manager. You're clearly not sold on Hyppia which is fine and like anyone with a strong opinion, you can find information and theory to back your argument. In truth, I'm not entirely convinced, but I'm rather more inclined to wait and see because there's no way of knowing the full story. I'm merely suggesting our lot may have done a bit more work than some are prepared to admit. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 9

6:09am Wed 4 Jun 14

twonk says...

No thanks. How about an experienced British manager?
No thanks. How about an experienced British manager? twonk
  • Score: -7

6:15am Wed 4 Jun 14

mark by the sea says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
I posted this on the old story minutes before this one appeared......

It's amazing how opinion can change depending on which way the wind is blowing and I include myself in that.
The current favourite is certainly a name from left field, but would his appointment REALLY indicate we've 'failed' to attract a high calibre manager as some have suggested in the last 24 hours?
People's opinion is naturally subjective and, as fans, based largely on an irrational knee jerk reaction rather than deeper fact.
But with Hyppia having played for ten years in the division we aspire to, represented his country over a hundred times and respectably managed a decent side in the Bundesliga for 18 months, he surely has on that basis, far better credentials than Tim Sherwood and Brian McDermott for starters. Then again, people will say Sherwood did well at Spurs and McDermoot took Reading up so they have other attributes. The argument becomes almost infinite.
Chris Hughton clearly has more managerial experience, but do his results back that up against Hyppia? It's that level of detail the board will be looking at when they consider their options. Who is best in this area? Is there someone we can talk to about him? This guy feels a better fit in terms of playing style, but he's inexperienced..
So my point is this..... Rather than suggesting the potential appointment of Hyppia means we've failed, perhaps it actually means we've been comprehensive in our due diligence?
Just a thought....
Morning , what experience does hyypia have of coaching in this country?
Is he any better than jimmy case was ?
On the basis of that direct comparison, at this moment the answer is no, but then again you could say the same about Gus's appointment given his previous lack of coaching experience.
As I said previously, it's subjective and I understand why you're underwhelmed, but in answer to your point that he can't be any good because he hasn't been 'snapped up' by someone else, I'd say on that basis, we'd never be happy with anyone who takes the job.
My point is that perhaps - just perhaps - they've uncovered a decent operator. I don't know that for certain and by Christmas we could all be lamenting the decision. (if it transpires) And yes, he could be the only bloke prepared to work under what appears to be a cast-iron set up and do as he's told...
No-one comes with guarantees, but sometimes the obvious answers aren't the right ones. If he's appointed, the opinion's will ebb and flow until we've played a few games. Gotta love football!
Gus poyet has coaching and was assistant manager at Leeds and spurs before becoming the albions manager..
You should read the independent article ( search hyypia coaching qualifications) it appears he was dressing room motivator with a qualified coach , he then became manager and appointed two coaches to work with the players, there is a hint on another thread on that search he is not a qualified coach? Which means if he is not coaching or is going to sign his own players what exactly will he bring? Motivational speeches only work when players listen , looks like jones is being promoted to me.
My point about Gus was that he wasn't previously a manager.
You're clearly not sold on Hyppia which is fine and like anyone with
a strong opinion, you can find information and theory to back your argument.
In truth, I'm not entirely convinced, but I'm rather more inclined to wait and see because there's no way of knowing the full story. I'm merely suggesting our lot may have done a bit more work than some are prepared to admit.
But he is not a coach, OG and Gus are qualified A badge material,
Hyypia and jones is my bet.
Sherwood is a coach first and foremost ,
Houghton a coach .
Clarke a coach .
Hyypia is a manager?
That's my point unless we are changing and the DOF is going , what will hyypia do for his money?
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: I posted this on the old story minutes before this one appeared...... It's amazing how opinion can change depending on which way the wind is blowing and I include myself in that. The current favourite is certainly a name from left field, but would his appointment REALLY indicate we've 'failed' to attract a high calibre manager as some have suggested in the last 24 hours? People's opinion is naturally subjective and, as fans, based largely on an irrational knee jerk reaction rather than deeper fact. But with Hyppia having played for ten years in the division we aspire to, represented his country over a hundred times and respectably managed a decent side in the Bundesliga for 18 months, he surely has on that basis, far better credentials than Tim Sherwood and Brian McDermott for starters. Then again, people will say Sherwood did well at Spurs and McDermoot took Reading up so they have other attributes. The argument becomes almost infinite. Chris Hughton clearly has more managerial experience, but do his results back that up against Hyppia? It's that level of detail the board will be looking at when they consider their options. Who is best in this area? Is there someone we can talk to about him? This guy feels a better fit in terms of playing style, but he's inexperienced.. So my point is this..... Rather than suggesting the potential appointment of Hyppia means we've failed, perhaps it actually means we've been comprehensive in our due diligence? Just a thought....[/p][/quote]Morning , what experience does hyypia have of coaching in this country? Is he any better than jimmy case was ?[/p][/quote]On the basis of that direct comparison, at this moment the answer is no, but then again you could say the same about Gus's appointment given his previous lack of coaching experience. As I said previously, it's subjective and I understand why you're underwhelmed, but in answer to your point that he can't be any good because he hasn't been 'snapped up' by someone else, I'd say on that basis, we'd never be happy with anyone who takes the job. My point is that perhaps - just perhaps - they've uncovered a decent operator. I don't know that for certain and by Christmas we could all be lamenting the decision. (if it transpires) And yes, he could be the only bloke prepared to work under what appears to be a cast-iron set up and do as he's told... No-one comes with guarantees, but sometimes the obvious answers aren't the right ones. If he's appointed, the opinion's will ebb and flow until we've played a few games. Gotta love football![/p][/quote]Gus poyet has coaching and was assistant manager at Leeds and spurs before becoming the albions manager.. You should read the independent article ( search hyypia coaching qualifications) it appears he was dressing room motivator with a qualified coach , he then became manager and appointed two coaches to work with the players, there is a hint on another thread on that search he is not a qualified coach? Which means if he is not coaching or is going to sign his own players what exactly will he bring? Motivational speeches only work when players listen , looks like jones is being promoted to me.[/p][/quote]My point about Gus was that he wasn't previously a manager. You're clearly not sold on Hyppia which is fine and like anyone with a strong opinion, you can find information and theory to back your argument. In truth, I'm not entirely convinced, but I'm rather more inclined to wait and see because there's no way of knowing the full story. I'm merely suggesting our lot may have done a bit more work than some are prepared to admit.[/p][/quote]But he is not a coach, OG and Gus are qualified A badge material, Hyypia and jones is my bet. Sherwood is a coach first and foremost , Houghton a coach . Clarke a coach . Hyypia is a manager? That's my point unless we are changing and the DOF is going , what will hyypia do for his money? mark by the sea
  • Score: 3

6:53am Wed 4 Jun 14

Albion In Staffs says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
I posted this on the old story minutes before this one appeared......

It's amazing how opinion can change depending on which way the wind is blowing and I include myself in that.
The current favourite is certainly a name from left field, but would his appointment REALLY indicate we've 'failed' to attract a high calibre manager as some have suggested in the last 24 hours?
People's opinion is naturally subjective and, as fans, based largely on an irrational knee jerk reaction rather than deeper fact.
But with Hyppia having played for ten years in the division we aspire to, represented his country over a hundred times and respectably managed a decent side in the Bundesliga for 18 months, he surely has on that basis, far better credentials than Tim Sherwood and Brian McDermott for starters. Then again, people will say Sherwood did well at Spurs and McDermoot took Reading up so they have other attributes. The argument becomes almost infinite.
Chris Hughton clearly has more managerial experience, but do his results back that up against Hyppia? It's that level of detail the board will be looking at when they consider their options. Who is best in this area? Is there someone we can talk to about him? This guy feels a better fit in terms of playing style, but he's inexperienced..
So my point is this..... Rather than suggesting the potential appointment of Hyppia means we've failed, perhaps it actually means we've been comprehensive in our due diligence?
Just a thought....
Morning , what experience does hyypia have of coaching in this country?
Is he any better than jimmy case was ?
On the basis of that direct comparison, at this moment the answer is no, but then again you could say the same about Gus's appointment given his previous lack of coaching experience.
As I said previously, it's subjective and I understand why you're underwhelmed, but in answer to your point that he can't be any good because he hasn't been 'snapped up' by someone else, I'd say on that basis, we'd never be happy with anyone who takes the job.
My point is that perhaps - just perhaps - they've uncovered a decent operator. I don't know that for certain and by Christmas we could all be lamenting the decision. (if it transpires) And yes, he could be the only bloke prepared to work under what appears to be a cast-iron set up and do as he's told...
No-one comes with guarantees, but sometimes the obvious answers aren't the right ones. If he's appointed, the opinion's will ebb and flow until we've played a few games. Gotta love football!
Gus poyet has coaching and was assistant manager at Leeds and spurs before becoming the albions manager..
You should read the independent article ( search hyypia coaching qualifications) it appears he was dressing room motivator with a qualified coach , he then became manager and appointed two coaches to work with the players, there is a hint on another thread on that search he is not a qualified coach? Which means if he is not coaching or is going to sign his own players what exactly will he bring? Motivational speeches only work when players listen , looks like jones is being promoted to me.
My point about Gus was that he wasn't previously a manager.
You're clearly not sold on Hyppia which is fine and like anyone with
a strong opinion, you can find information and theory to back your argument.
In truth, I'm not entirely convinced, but I'm rather more inclined to wait and see because there's no way of knowing the full story. I'm merely suggesting our lot may have done a bit more work than some are prepared to admit.
But he is not a coach, OG and Gus are qualified A badge material,
Hyypia and jones is my bet.
Sherwood is a coach first and foremost ,
Houghton a coach .
Clarke a coach .
Hyypia is a manager?
That's my point unless we are changing and the DOF is going , what will hyypia do for his money?
Hyppia IS a coach. He qualified before taking over at Leverkusen on his own and then managing them in the Bundesliga and the Champions' League.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: I posted this on the old story minutes before this one appeared...... It's amazing how opinion can change depending on which way the wind is blowing and I include myself in that. The current favourite is certainly a name from left field, but would his appointment REALLY indicate we've 'failed' to attract a high calibre manager as some have suggested in the last 24 hours? People's opinion is naturally subjective and, as fans, based largely on an irrational knee jerk reaction rather than deeper fact. But with Hyppia having played for ten years in the division we aspire to, represented his country over a hundred times and respectably managed a decent side in the Bundesliga for 18 months, he surely has on that basis, far better credentials than Tim Sherwood and Brian McDermott for starters. Then again, people will say Sherwood did well at Spurs and McDermoot took Reading up so they have other attributes. The argument becomes almost infinite. Chris Hughton clearly has more managerial experience, but do his results back that up against Hyppia? It's that level of detail the board will be looking at when they consider their options. Who is best in this area? Is there someone we can talk to about him? This guy feels a better fit in terms of playing style, but he's inexperienced.. So my point is this..... Rather than suggesting the potential appointment of Hyppia means we've failed, perhaps it actually means we've been comprehensive in our due diligence? Just a thought....[/p][/quote]Morning , what experience does hyypia have of coaching in this country? Is he any better than jimmy case was ?[/p][/quote]On the basis of that direct comparison, at this moment the answer is no, but then again you could say the same about Gus's appointment given his previous lack of coaching experience. As I said previously, it's subjective and I understand why you're underwhelmed, but in answer to your point that he can't be any good because he hasn't been 'snapped up' by someone else, I'd say on that basis, we'd never be happy with anyone who takes the job. My point is that perhaps - just perhaps - they've uncovered a decent operator. I don't know that for certain and by Christmas we could all be lamenting the decision. (if it transpires) And yes, he could be the only bloke prepared to work under what appears to be a cast-iron set up and do as he's told... No-one comes with guarantees, but sometimes the obvious answers aren't the right ones. If he's appointed, the opinion's will ebb and flow until we've played a few games. Gotta love football![/p][/quote]Gus poyet has coaching and was assistant manager at Leeds and spurs before becoming the albions manager.. You should read the independent article ( search hyypia coaching qualifications) it appears he was dressing room motivator with a qualified coach , he then became manager and appointed two coaches to work with the players, there is a hint on another thread on that search he is not a qualified coach? Which means if he is not coaching or is going to sign his own players what exactly will he bring? Motivational speeches only work when players listen , looks like jones is being promoted to me.[/p][/quote]My point about Gus was that he wasn't previously a manager. You're clearly not sold on Hyppia which is fine and like anyone with a strong opinion, you can find information and theory to back your argument. In truth, I'm not entirely convinced, but I'm rather more inclined to wait and see because there's no way of knowing the full story. I'm merely suggesting our lot may have done a bit more work than some are prepared to admit.[/p][/quote]But he is not a coach, OG and Gus are qualified A badge material, Hyypia and jones is my bet. Sherwood is a coach first and foremost , Houghton a coach . Clarke a coach . Hyypia is a manager? That's my point unless we are changing and the DOF is going , what will hyypia do for his money?[/p][/quote]Hyppia IS a coach. He qualified before taking over at Leverkusen on his own and then managing them in the Bundesliga and the Champions' League. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 10

6:53am Wed 4 Jun 14

namgo49 says...

All I would say is, if appointed, the odds for success are stacked against him. Very anxious!!
All I would say is, if appointed, the odds for success are stacked against him. Very anxious!! namgo49
  • Score: 5

7:02am Wed 4 Jun 14

mark by the sea says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
I posted this on the old story minutes before this one appeared......

It's amazing how opinion can change depending on which way the wind is blowing and I include myself in that.
The current favourite is certainly a name from left field, but would his appointment REALLY indicate we've 'failed' to attract a high calibre manager as some have suggested in the last 24 hours?
People's opinion is naturally subjective and, as fans, based largely on an irrational knee jerk reaction rather than deeper fact.
But with Hyppia having played for ten years in the division we aspire to, represented his country over a hundred times and respectably managed a decent side in the Bundesliga for 18 months, he surely has on that basis, far better credentials than Tim Sherwood and Brian McDermott for starters. Then again, people will say Sherwood did well at Spurs and McDermoot took Reading up so they have other attributes. The argument becomes almost infinite.
Chris Hughton clearly has more managerial experience, but do his results back that up against Hyppia? It's that level of detail the board will be looking at when they consider their options. Who is best in this area? Is there someone we can talk to about him? This guy feels a better fit in terms of playing style, but he's inexperienced..
So my point is this..... Rather than suggesting the potential appointment of Hyppia means we've failed, perhaps it actually means we've been comprehensive in our due diligence?
Just a thought....
Morning , what experience does hyypia have of coaching in this country?
Is he any better than jimmy case was ?
On the basis of that direct comparison, at this moment the answer is no, but then again you could say the same about Gus's appointment given his previous lack of coaching experience.
As I said previously, it's subjective and I understand why you're underwhelmed, but in answer to your point that he can't be any good because he hasn't been 'snapped up' by someone else, I'd say on that basis, we'd never be happy with anyone who takes the job.
My point is that perhaps - just perhaps - they've uncovered a decent operator. I don't know that for certain and by Christmas we could all be lamenting the decision. (if it transpires) And yes, he could be the only bloke prepared to work under what appears to be a cast-iron set up and do as he's told...
No-one comes with guarantees, but sometimes the obvious answers aren't the right ones. If he's appointed, the opinion's will ebb and flow until we've played a few games. Gotta love football!
Gus poyet has coaching and was assistant manager at Leeds and spurs before becoming the albions manager..
You should read the independent article ( search hyypia coaching qualifications) it appears he was dressing room motivator with a qualified coach , he then became manager and appointed two coaches to work with the players, there is a hint on another thread on that search he is not a qualified coach? Which means if he is not coaching or is going to sign his own players what exactly will he bring? Motivational speeches only work when players listen , looks like jones is being promoted to me.
My point about Gus was that he wasn't previously a manager.
You're clearly not sold on Hyppia which is fine and like anyone with
a strong opinion, you can find information and theory to back your argument.
In truth, I'm not entirely convinced, but I'm rather more inclined to wait and see because there's no way of knowing the full story. I'm merely suggesting our lot may have done a bit more work than some are prepared to admit.
But he is not a coach, OG and Gus are qualified A badge material,
Hyypia and jones is my bet.
Sherwood is a coach first and foremost ,
Houghton a coach .
Clarke a coach .
Hyypia is a manager?
That's my point unless we are changing and the DOF is going , what will hyypia do for his money?
Hyppia IS a coach. He qualified before taking over at Leverkusen on his own and then managing them in the Bundesliga and the Champions' League.
What badge does he hold? I could not find it anywhere,
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: I posted this on the old story minutes before this one appeared...... It's amazing how opinion can change depending on which way the wind is blowing and I include myself in that. The current favourite is certainly a name from left field, but would his appointment REALLY indicate we've 'failed' to attract a high calibre manager as some have suggested in the last 24 hours? People's opinion is naturally subjective and, as fans, based largely on an irrational knee jerk reaction rather than deeper fact. But with Hyppia having played for ten years in the division we aspire to, represented his country over a hundred times and respectably managed a decent side in the Bundesliga for 18 months, he surely has on that basis, far better credentials than Tim Sherwood and Brian McDermott for starters. Then again, people will say Sherwood did well at Spurs and McDermoot took Reading up so they have other attributes. The argument becomes almost infinite. Chris Hughton clearly has more managerial experience, but do his results back that up against Hyppia? It's that level of detail the board will be looking at when they consider their options. Who is best in this area? Is there someone we can talk to about him? This guy feels a better fit in terms of playing style, but he's inexperienced.. So my point is this..... Rather than suggesting the potential appointment of Hyppia means we've failed, perhaps it actually means we've been comprehensive in our due diligence? Just a thought....[/p][/quote]Morning , what experience does hyypia have of coaching in this country? Is he any better than jimmy case was ?[/p][/quote]On the basis of that direct comparison, at this moment the answer is no, but then again you could say the same about Gus's appointment given his previous lack of coaching experience. As I said previously, it's subjective and I understand why you're underwhelmed, but in answer to your point that he can't be any good because he hasn't been 'snapped up' by someone else, I'd say on that basis, we'd never be happy with anyone who takes the job. My point is that perhaps - just perhaps - they've uncovered a decent operator. I don't know that for certain and by Christmas we could all be lamenting the decision. (if it transpires) And yes, he could be the only bloke prepared to work under what appears to be a cast-iron set up and do as he's told... No-one comes with guarantees, but sometimes the obvious answers aren't the right ones. If he's appointed, the opinion's will ebb and flow until we've played a few games. Gotta love football![/p][/quote]Gus poyet has coaching and was assistant manager at Leeds and spurs before becoming the albions manager.. You should read the independent article ( search hyypia coaching qualifications) it appears he was dressing room motivator with a qualified coach , he then became manager and appointed two coaches to work with the players, there is a hint on another thread on that search he is not a qualified coach? Which means if he is not coaching or is going to sign his own players what exactly will he bring? Motivational speeches only work when players listen , looks like jones is being promoted to me.[/p][/quote]My point about Gus was that he wasn't previously a manager. You're clearly not sold on Hyppia which is fine and like anyone with a strong opinion, you can find information and theory to back your argument. In truth, I'm not entirely convinced, but I'm rather more inclined to wait and see because there's no way of knowing the full story. I'm merely suggesting our lot may have done a bit more work than some are prepared to admit.[/p][/quote]But he is not a coach, OG and Gus are qualified A badge material, Hyypia and jones is my bet. Sherwood is a coach first and foremost , Houghton a coach . Clarke a coach . Hyypia is a manager? That's my point unless we are changing and the DOF is going , what will hyypia do for his money?[/p][/quote]Hyppia IS a coach. He qualified before taking over at Leverkusen on his own and then managing them in the Bundesliga and the Champions' League.[/p][/quote]What badge does he hold? I could not find it anywhere, mark by the sea
  • Score: -2

7:09am Wed 4 Jun 14

Albion In Staffs says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
I posted this on the old story minutes before this one appeared......

It's amazing how opinion can change depending on which way the wind is blowing and I include myself in that.
The current favourite is certainly a name from left field, but would his appointment REALLY indicate we've 'failed' to attract a high calibre manager as some have suggested in the last 24 hours?
People's opinion is naturally subjective and, as fans, based largely on an irrational knee jerk reaction rather than deeper fact.
But with Hyppia having played for ten years in the division we aspire to, represented his country over a hundred times and respectably managed a decent side in the Bundesliga for 18 months, he surely has on that basis, far better credentials than Tim Sherwood and Brian McDermott for starters. Then again, people will say Sherwood did well at Spurs and McDermoot took Reading up so they have other attributes. The argument becomes almost infinite.
Chris Hughton clearly has more managerial experience, but do his results back that up against Hyppia? It's that level of detail the board will be looking at when they consider their options. Who is best in this area? Is there someone we can talk to about him? This guy feels a better fit in terms of playing style, but he's inexperienced..
So my point is this..... Rather than suggesting the potential appointment of Hyppia means we've failed, perhaps it actually means we've been comprehensive in our due diligence?
Just a thought....
Morning , what experience does hyypia have of coaching in this country?
Is he any better than jimmy case was ?
On the basis of that direct comparison, at this moment the answer is no, but then again you could say the same about Gus's appointment given his previous lack of coaching experience.
As I said previously, it's subjective and I understand why you're underwhelmed, but in answer to your point that he can't be any good because he hasn't been 'snapped up' by someone else, I'd say on that basis, we'd never be happy with anyone who takes the job.
My point is that perhaps - just perhaps - they've uncovered a decent operator. I don't know that for certain and by Christmas we could all be lamenting the decision. (if it transpires) And yes, he could be the only bloke prepared to work under what appears to be a cast-iron set up and do as he's told...
No-one comes with guarantees, but sometimes the obvious answers aren't the right ones. If he's appointed, the opinion's will ebb and flow until we've played a few games. Gotta love football!
Gus poyet has coaching and was assistant manager at Leeds and spurs before becoming the albions manager..
You should read the independent article ( search hyypia coaching qualifications) it appears he was dressing room motivator with a qualified coach , he then became manager and appointed two coaches to work with the players, there is a hint on another thread on that search he is not a qualified coach? Which means if he is not coaching or is going to sign his own players what exactly will he bring? Motivational speeches only work when players listen , looks like jones is being promoted to me.
My point about Gus was that he wasn't previously a manager.
You're clearly not sold on Hyppia which is fine and like anyone with
a strong opinion, you can find information and theory to back your argument.
In truth, I'm not entirely convinced, but I'm rather more inclined to wait and see because there's no way of knowing the full story. I'm merely suggesting our lot may have done a bit more work than some are prepared to admit.
But he is not a coach, OG and Gus are qualified A badge material,
Hyypia and jones is my bet.
Sherwood is a coach first and foremost ,
Houghton a coach .
Clarke a coach .
Hyypia is a manager?
That's my point unless we are changing and the DOF is going , what will hyypia do for his money?
Hyppia IS a coach. He qualified before taking over at Leverkusen on his own and then managing them in the Bundesliga and the Champions' League.
What badge does he hold? I could not find it anywhere,
Has to have a Pro licence to do major league and CL. They're given 12 weeks grace but that's all
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: I posted this on the old story minutes before this one appeared...... It's amazing how opinion can change depending on which way the wind is blowing and I include myself in that. The current favourite is certainly a name from left field, but would his appointment REALLY indicate we've 'failed' to attract a high calibre manager as some have suggested in the last 24 hours? People's opinion is naturally subjective and, as fans, based largely on an irrational knee jerk reaction rather than deeper fact. But with Hyppia having played for ten years in the division we aspire to, represented his country over a hundred times and respectably managed a decent side in the Bundesliga for 18 months, he surely has on that basis, far better credentials than Tim Sherwood and Brian McDermott for starters. Then again, people will say Sherwood did well at Spurs and McDermoot took Reading up so they have other attributes. The argument becomes almost infinite. Chris Hughton clearly has more managerial experience, but do his results back that up against Hyppia? It's that level of detail the board will be looking at when they consider their options. Who is best in this area? Is there someone we can talk to about him? This guy feels a better fit in terms of playing style, but he's inexperienced.. So my point is this..... Rather than suggesting the potential appointment of Hyppia means we've failed, perhaps it actually means we've been comprehensive in our due diligence? Just a thought....[/p][/quote]Morning , what experience does hyypia have of coaching in this country? Is he any better than jimmy case was ?[/p][/quote]On the basis of that direct comparison, at this moment the answer is no, but then again you could say the same about Gus's appointment given his previous lack of coaching experience. As I said previously, it's subjective and I understand why you're underwhelmed, but in answer to your point that he can't be any good because he hasn't been 'snapped up' by someone else, I'd say on that basis, we'd never be happy with anyone who takes the job. My point is that perhaps - just perhaps - they've uncovered a decent operator. I don't know that for certain and by Christmas we could all be lamenting the decision. (if it transpires) And yes, he could be the only bloke prepared to work under what appears to be a cast-iron set up and do as he's told... No-one comes with guarantees, but sometimes the obvious answers aren't the right ones. If he's appointed, the opinion's will ebb and flow until we've played a few games. Gotta love football![/p][/quote]Gus poyet has coaching and was assistant manager at Leeds and spurs before becoming the albions manager.. You should read the independent article ( search hyypia coaching qualifications) it appears he was dressing room motivator with a qualified coach , he then became manager and appointed two coaches to work with the players, there is a hint on another thread on that search he is not a qualified coach? Which means if he is not coaching or is going to sign his own players what exactly will he bring? Motivational speeches only work when players listen , looks like jones is being promoted to me.[/p][/quote]My point about Gus was that he wasn't previously a manager. You're clearly not sold on Hyppia which is fine and like anyone with a strong opinion, you can find information and theory to back your argument. In truth, I'm not entirely convinced, but I'm rather more inclined to wait and see because there's no way of knowing the full story. I'm merely suggesting our lot may have done a bit more work than some are prepared to admit.[/p][/quote]But he is not a coach, OG and Gus are qualified A badge material, Hyypia and jones is my bet. Sherwood is a coach first and foremost , Houghton a coach . Clarke a coach . Hyypia is a manager? That's my point unless we are changing and the DOF is going , what will hyypia do for his money?[/p][/quote]Hyppia IS a coach. He qualified before taking over at Leverkusen on his own and then managing them in the Bundesliga and the Champions' League.[/p][/quote]What badge does he hold? I could not find it anywhere,[/p][/quote]Has to have a Pro licence to do major league and CL. They're given 12 weeks grace but that's all Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 1

7:09am Wed 4 Jun 14

East of CrawleyDown says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
I posted this on the old story minutes before this one appeared......

It's amazing how opinion can change depending on which way the wind is blowing and I include myself in that.
The current favourite is certainly a name from left field, but would his appointment REALLY indicate we've 'failed' to attract a high calibre manager as some have suggested in the last 24 hours?
People's opinion is naturally subjective and, as fans, based largely on an irrational knee jerk reaction rather than deeper fact.
But with Hyppia having played for ten years in the division we aspire to, represented his country over a hundred times and respectably managed a decent side in the Bundesliga for 18 months, he surely has on that basis, far better credentials than Tim Sherwood and Brian McDermott for starters. Then again, people will say Sherwood did well at Spurs and McDermoot took Reading up so they have other attributes. The argument becomes almost infinite.
Chris Hughton clearly has more managerial experience, but do his results back that up against Hyppia? It's that level of detail the board will be looking at when they consider their options. Who is best in this area? Is there someone we can talk to about him? This guy feels a better fit in terms of playing style, but he's inexperienced..
So my point is this..... Rather than suggesting the potential appointment of Hyppia means we've failed, perhaps it actually means we've been comprehensive in our due diligence?
Just a thought....
It's a bit strange that weeks after being told there was a list of high calibre candidates- and we know there are some very experienced managers available who have been highly successful in the championship- we are now looking at a bit of a wild card. Of course Hyypia could be dynamite, but a real gamble, Bloom the gambler appears to be doing the same with appointing a manager, this could be great or it could blow up in his face. If Hyypia is appointed as now looks likely then it's a big risk which would have been lessened by going for Mackay or Hughton, it seems like no real effort has been made to try and get them on board which is disappointing tbh.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: I posted this on the old story minutes before this one appeared...... It's amazing how opinion can change depending on which way the wind is blowing and I include myself in that. The current favourite is certainly a name from left field, but would his appointment REALLY indicate we've 'failed' to attract a high calibre manager as some have suggested in the last 24 hours? People's opinion is naturally subjective and, as fans, based largely on an irrational knee jerk reaction rather than deeper fact. But with Hyppia having played for ten years in the division we aspire to, represented his country over a hundred times and respectably managed a decent side in the Bundesliga for 18 months, he surely has on that basis, far better credentials than Tim Sherwood and Brian McDermott for starters. Then again, people will say Sherwood did well at Spurs and McDermoot took Reading up so they have other attributes. The argument becomes almost infinite. Chris Hughton clearly has more managerial experience, but do his results back that up against Hyppia? It's that level of detail the board will be looking at when they consider their options. Who is best in this area? Is there someone we can talk to about him? This guy feels a better fit in terms of playing style, but he's inexperienced.. So my point is this..... Rather than suggesting the potential appointment of Hyppia means we've failed, perhaps it actually means we've been comprehensive in our due diligence? Just a thought....[/p][/quote]It's a bit strange that weeks after being told there was a list of high calibre candidates- and we know there are some very experienced managers available who have been highly successful in the championship- we are now looking at a bit of a wild card. Of course Hyypia could be dynamite, but a real gamble, Bloom the gambler appears to be doing the same with appointing a manager, this could be great or it could blow up in his face. If Hyypia is appointed as now looks likely then it's a big risk which would have been lessened by going for Mackay or Hughton, it seems like no real effort has been made to try and get them on board which is disappointing tbh. East of CrawleyDown
  • Score: 1

7:13am Wed 4 Jun 14

sjonesbb says...

I wonder how much Arsene Wenger knew about the English game before taking over at Arsenal, different level but surely still a case in point. In terms of big names in this country he would be better known than Oscar surely. We need a manager who is willing to stick it out more than one season, 500 odd games for one club proves he can stick it out. Think it'd be a high profile appointment.
I wonder how much Arsene Wenger knew about the English game before taking over at Arsenal, different level but surely still a case in point. In terms of big names in this country he would be better known than Oscar surely. We need a manager who is willing to stick it out more than one season, 500 odd games for one club proves he can stick it out. Think it'd be a high profile appointment. sjonesbb
  • Score: 10

7:14am Wed 4 Jun 14

B rian Tawses left foot says...

Is he any better than jimmy case was ?

I'd be better than Jimmy Case !
Is he any better than jimmy case was ? I'd be better than Jimmy Case ! B rian Tawses left foot
  • Score: 5

7:39am Wed 4 Jun 14

Albion In Staffs says...

East of CrawleyDown wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
I posted this on the old story minutes before this one appeared......

It's amazing how opinion can change depending on which way the wind is blowing and I include myself in that.
The current favourite is certainly a name from left field, but would his appointment REALLY indicate we've 'failed' to attract a high calibre manager as some have suggested in the last 24 hours?
People's opinion is naturally subjective and, as fans, based largely on an irrational knee jerk reaction rather than deeper fact.
But with Hyppia having played for ten years in the division we aspire to, represented his country over a hundred times and respectably managed a decent side in the Bundesliga for 18 months, he surely has on that basis, far better credentials than Tim Sherwood and Brian McDermott for starters. Then again, people will say Sherwood did well at Spurs and McDermoot took Reading up so they have other attributes. The argument becomes almost infinite.
Chris Hughton clearly has more managerial experience, but do his results back that up against Hyppia? It's that level of detail the board will be looking at when they consider their options. Who is best in this area? Is there someone we can talk to about him? This guy feels a better fit in terms of playing style, but he's inexperienced..
So my point is this..... Rather than suggesting the potential appointment of Hyppia means we've failed, perhaps it actually means we've been comprehensive in our due diligence?
Just a thought....
It's a bit strange that weeks after being told there was a list of high calibre candidates- and we know there are some very experienced managers available who have been highly successful in the championship- we are now looking at a bit of a wild card. Of course Hyypia could be dynamite, but a real gamble, Bloom the gambler appears to be doing the same with appointing a manager, this could be great or it could blow up in his face. If Hyypia is appointed as now looks likely then it's a big risk which would have been lessened by going for Mackay or Hughton, it seems like no real effort has been made to try and get them on board which is disappointing tbh.
Yep, any appointment is a gamble, I can't argue with that but perhaps, the real effort has actually uncovered a line of thinking we don't know about?
It could certainly blow up in our faces, but I'm just cautious that as fans, we may be distracted by the familiarity of names like Hughton, Sherwood etc without looking into the deeper facts and that is what you'd hope our lot would have done.
[quote][p][bold]East of CrawleyDown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: I posted this on the old story minutes before this one appeared...... It's amazing how opinion can change depending on which way the wind is blowing and I include myself in that. The current favourite is certainly a name from left field, but would his appointment REALLY indicate we've 'failed' to attract a high calibre manager as some have suggested in the last 24 hours? People's opinion is naturally subjective and, as fans, based largely on an irrational knee jerk reaction rather than deeper fact. But with Hyppia having played for ten years in the division we aspire to, represented his country over a hundred times and respectably managed a decent side in the Bundesliga for 18 months, he surely has on that basis, far better credentials than Tim Sherwood and Brian McDermott for starters. Then again, people will say Sherwood did well at Spurs and McDermoot took Reading up so they have other attributes. The argument becomes almost infinite. Chris Hughton clearly has more managerial experience, but do his results back that up against Hyppia? It's that level of detail the board will be looking at when they consider their options. Who is best in this area? Is there someone we can talk to about him? This guy feels a better fit in terms of playing style, but he's inexperienced.. So my point is this..... Rather than suggesting the potential appointment of Hyppia means we've failed, perhaps it actually means we've been comprehensive in our due diligence? Just a thought....[/p][/quote]It's a bit strange that weeks after being told there was a list of high calibre candidates- and we know there are some very experienced managers available who have been highly successful in the championship- we are now looking at a bit of a wild card. Of course Hyypia could be dynamite, but a real gamble, Bloom the gambler appears to be doing the same with appointing a manager, this could be great or it could blow up in his face. If Hyypia is appointed as now looks likely then it's a big risk which would have been lessened by going for Mackay or Hughton, it seems like no real effort has been made to try and get them on board which is disappointing tbh.[/p][/quote]Yep, any appointment is a gamble, I can't argue with that but perhaps, the real effort has actually uncovered a line of thinking we don't know about? It could certainly blow up in our faces, but I'm just cautious that as fans, we may be distracted by the familiarity of names like Hughton, Sherwood etc without looking into the deeper facts and that is what you'd hope our lot would have done. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 3

7:43am Wed 4 Jun 14

farside says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Hardly a ringing endorsement , if he did such a great job, why was he not snapped in Germany by people who saw him operate?
This guy can't be one of the outstanding candidates in my opinion, he has no coaching or management experience in the uk , had he played 500 games for west brom would that make him a better or worse candidate?
I sense this is the guy prepared to take the job whatever .
I feel his announcement will include jones moving to a contact between the suits and the manager .. This will be to help communications,
I will no doubt be told I am half empty glass , but I don't buy into this appointment, 3 weeks ago we has high calibre candidates? If hyypia is the best who else wanted it? Sherwood turned it down, and I can only think others too.
You really are a total idiot.
Experience playing in the premier league and as an interational and coaching one of the top teams in one of the toughest leagues in europe as well as at international level isnt enough for you?
We are Brighton not Arsenal or Man U or whoever it is you actually support. This is as good and as exciting as we will get. Clearly whoever gets the job you will be first on his back.
Get real for heaven's sake.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Hardly a ringing endorsement , if he did such a great job, why was he not snapped in Germany by people who saw him operate? This guy can't be one of the outstanding candidates in my opinion, he has no coaching or management experience in the uk , had he played 500 games for west brom would that make him a better or worse candidate? I sense this is the guy prepared to take the job whatever . I feel his announcement will include jones moving to a contact between the suits and the manager .. This will be to help communications, I will no doubt be told I am half empty glass , but I don't buy into this appointment, 3 weeks ago we has high calibre candidates? If hyypia is the best who else wanted it? Sherwood turned it down, and I can only think others too.[/p][/quote]You really are a total idiot. Experience playing in the premier league and as an interational and coaching one of the top teams in one of the toughest leagues in europe as well as at international level isnt enough for you? We are Brighton not Arsenal or Man U or whoever it is you actually support. This is as good and as exciting as we will get. Clearly whoever gets the job you will be first on his back. Get real for heaven's sake. farside
  • Score: 17

7:43am Wed 4 Jun 14

Mark Dixon says...

I don't know what everyone is in a panic about!

Who ever we have manager or coach will have there hands tied behind their back and will have no say in players in or out.
I don't know what everyone is in a panic about! Who ever we have manager or coach will have there hands tied behind their back and will have no say in players in or out. Mark Dixon
  • Score: -2

7:45am Wed 4 Jun 14

mark by the sea says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
East of CrawleyDown wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
I posted this on the old story minutes before this one appeared......

It's amazing how opinion can change depending on which way the wind is blowing and I include myself in that.
The current favourite is certainly a name from left field, but would his appointment REALLY indicate we've 'failed' to attract a high calibre manager as some have suggested in the last 24 hours?
People's opinion is naturally subjective and, as fans, based largely on an irrational knee jerk reaction rather than deeper fact.
But with Hyppia having played for ten years in the division we aspire to, represented his country over a hundred times and respectably managed a decent side in the Bundesliga for 18 months, he surely has on that basis, far better credentials than Tim Sherwood and Brian McDermott for starters. Then again, people will say Sherwood did well at Spurs and McDermoot took Reading up so they have other attributes. The argument becomes almost infinite.
Chris Hughton clearly has more managerial experience, but do his results back that up against Hyppia? It's that level of detail the board will be looking at when they consider their options. Who is best in this area? Is there someone we can talk to about him? This guy feels a better fit in terms of playing style, but he's inexperienced..
So my point is this..... Rather than suggesting the potential appointment of Hyppia means we've failed, perhaps it actually means we've been comprehensive in our due diligence?
Just a thought....
It's a bit strange that weeks after being told there was a list of high calibre candidates- and we know there are some very experienced managers available who have been highly successful in the championship- we are now looking at a bit of a wild card. Of course Hyypia could be dynamite, but a real gamble, Bloom the gambler appears to be doing the same with appointing a manager, this could be great or it could blow up in his face. If Hyypia is appointed as now looks likely then it's a big risk which would have been lessened by going for Mackay or Hughton, it seems like no real effort has been made to try and get them on board which is disappointing tbh.
Yep, any appointment is a gamble, I can't argue with that but perhaps, the real effort has actually uncovered a line of thinking we don't know about?
It could certainly blow up in our faces, but I'm just cautious that as fans, we may be distracted by the familiarity of names like Hughton, Sherwood etc without looking into the deeper facts and that is what you'd hope our lot would have done.
If you mean he will work with jones , or accept players chosen for him by Burke then the deep thinking is clear to me, I sense it's more to do with that criteria than the best candidate ..I don't have a problem with hyypia , but for me it sounds like a lot of better candidates like sherwood have turned us down, I even have a feeling jones is going to more to the front this coming season, again not sure why , but I doubt his credentials.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]East of CrawleyDown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: I posted this on the old story minutes before this one appeared...... It's amazing how opinion can change depending on which way the wind is blowing and I include myself in that. The current favourite is certainly a name from left field, but would his appointment REALLY indicate we've 'failed' to attract a high calibre manager as some have suggested in the last 24 hours? People's opinion is naturally subjective and, as fans, based largely on an irrational knee jerk reaction rather than deeper fact. But with Hyppia having played for ten years in the division we aspire to, represented his country over a hundred times and respectably managed a decent side in the Bundesliga for 18 months, he surely has on that basis, far better credentials than Tim Sherwood and Brian McDermott for starters. Then again, people will say Sherwood did well at Spurs and McDermoot took Reading up so they have other attributes. The argument becomes almost infinite. Chris Hughton clearly has more managerial experience, but do his results back that up against Hyppia? It's that level of detail the board will be looking at when they consider their options. Who is best in this area? Is there someone we can talk to about him? This guy feels a better fit in terms of playing style, but he's inexperienced.. So my point is this..... Rather than suggesting the potential appointment of Hyppia means we've failed, perhaps it actually means we've been comprehensive in our due diligence? Just a thought....[/p][/quote]It's a bit strange that weeks after being told there was a list of high calibre candidates- and we know there are some very experienced managers available who have been highly successful in the championship- we are now looking at a bit of a wild card. Of course Hyypia could be dynamite, but a real gamble, Bloom the gambler appears to be doing the same with appointing a manager, this could be great or it could blow up in his face. If Hyypia is appointed as now looks likely then it's a big risk which would have been lessened by going for Mackay or Hughton, it seems like no real effort has been made to try and get them on board which is disappointing tbh.[/p][/quote]Yep, any appointment is a gamble, I can't argue with that but perhaps, the real effort has actually uncovered a line of thinking we don't know about? It could certainly blow up in our faces, but I'm just cautious that as fans, we may be distracted by the familiarity of names like Hughton, Sherwood etc without looking into the deeper facts and that is what you'd hope our lot would have done.[/p][/quote]If you mean he will work with jones , or accept players chosen for him by Burke then the deep thinking is clear to me, I sense it's more to do with that criteria than the best candidate ..I don't have a problem with hyypia , but for me it sounds like a lot of better candidates like sherwood have turned us down, I even have a feeling jones is going to more to the front this coming season, again not sure why , but I doubt his credentials. mark by the sea
  • Score: 0

7:49am Wed 4 Jun 14

MrHove says...

I cant understand all the negative comments, he's being slated before he's even started.
Give the guy a chance!
As someone said above, hes managed in the champions league and the top flight in german football which has improved vastly over the last 3-4 years.
Whoever is appointed will have my support and the "fans" should get behind him.
Tony Bloom has the right to appoint who he feels is the best candidate, unless someone on here is prepared to pay the wages of their chosen one? thought not.
I cant understand all the negative comments, he's being slated before he's even started. Give the guy a chance! As someone said above, hes managed in the champions league and the top flight in german football which has improved vastly over the last 3-4 years. Whoever is appointed will have my support and the "fans" should get behind him. Tony Bloom has the right to appoint who he feels is the best candidate, unless someone on here is prepared to pay the wages of their chosen one? thought not. MrHove
  • Score: 13

7:53am Wed 4 Jun 14

mark by the sea says...

farside wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Hardly a ringing endorsement , if he did such a great job, why was he not snapped in Germany by people who saw him operate?
This guy can't be one of the outstanding candidates in my opinion, he has no coaching or management experience in the uk , had he played 500 games for west brom would that make him a better or worse candidate?
I sense this is the guy prepared to take the job whatever .
I feel his announcement will include jones moving to a contact between the suits and the manager .. This will be to help communications,
I will no doubt be told I am half empty glass , but I don't buy into this appointment, 3 weeks ago we has high calibre candidates? If hyypia is the best who else wanted it? Sherwood turned it down, and I can only think others too.
You really are a total idiot.
Experience playing in the premier league and as an interational and coaching one of the top teams in one of the toughest leagues in europe as well as at international level isnt enough for you?
We are Brighton not Arsenal or Man U or whoever it is you actually support. This is as good and as exciting as we will get. Clearly whoever gets the job you will be first on his back.
Get real for heaven's sake.
Really so why was he not tipped for any job on any headline except this one?
If he is such a catch I assume he will bring in his own backroom staff?
Does sherwood not have the same credentials? Or houghton or Clarke?
They all have a better cv and experience in this league,
Funny but sherwood turned us down..
Hyypia has no coaching experience in this country, less experience than Gus or OG .. I think this is a major gamble, or he is the only one prepared to work with jones without a say of players coming in..
Your just accepting all is perfect behind the doors to the Amex .
[quote][p][bold]farside[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Hardly a ringing endorsement , if he did such a great job, why was he not snapped in Germany by people who saw him operate? This guy can't be one of the outstanding candidates in my opinion, he has no coaching or management experience in the uk , had he played 500 games for west brom would that make him a better or worse candidate? I sense this is the guy prepared to take the job whatever . I feel his announcement will include jones moving to a contact between the suits and the manager .. This will be to help communications, I will no doubt be told I am half empty glass , but I don't buy into this appointment, 3 weeks ago we has high calibre candidates? If hyypia is the best who else wanted it? Sherwood turned it down, and I can only think others too.[/p][/quote]You really are a total idiot. Experience playing in the premier league and as an interational and coaching one of the top teams in one of the toughest leagues in europe as well as at international level isnt enough for you? We are Brighton not Arsenal or Man U or whoever it is you actually support. This is as good and as exciting as we will get. Clearly whoever gets the job you will be first on his back. Get real for heaven's sake.[/p][/quote]Really so why was he not tipped for any job on any headline except this one? If he is such a catch I assume he will bring in his own backroom staff? Does sherwood not have the same credentials? Or houghton or Clarke? They all have a better cv and experience in this league, Funny but sherwood turned us down.. Hyypia has no coaching experience in this country, less experience than Gus or OG .. I think this is a major gamble, or he is the only one prepared to work with jones without a say of players coming in.. Your just accepting all is perfect behind the doors to the Amex . mark by the sea
  • Score: -12

7:56am Wed 4 Jun 14

Albion In Staffs says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
East of CrawleyDown wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
I posted this on the old story minutes before this one appeared......

It's amazing how opinion can change depending on which way the wind is blowing and I include myself in that.
The current favourite is certainly a name from left field, but would his appointment REALLY indicate we've 'failed' to attract a high calibre manager as some have suggested in the last 24 hours?
People's opinion is naturally subjective and, as fans, based largely on an irrational knee jerk reaction rather than deeper fact.
But with Hyppia having played for ten years in the division we aspire to, represented his country over a hundred times and respectably managed a decent side in the Bundesliga for 18 months, he surely has on that basis, far better credentials than Tim Sherwood and Brian McDermott for starters. Then again, people will say Sherwood did well at Spurs and McDermoot took Reading up so they have other attributes. The argument becomes almost infinite.
Chris Hughton clearly has more managerial experience, but do his results back that up against Hyppia? It's that level of detail the board will be looking at when they consider their options. Who is best in this area? Is there someone we can talk to about him? This guy feels a better fit in terms of playing style, but he's inexperienced..
So my point is this..... Rather than suggesting the potential appointment of Hyppia means we've failed, perhaps it actually means we've been comprehensive in our due diligence?
Just a thought....
It's a bit strange that weeks after being told there was a list of high calibre candidates- and we know there are some very experienced managers available who have been highly successful in the championship- we are now looking at a bit of a wild card. Of course Hyypia could be dynamite, but a real gamble, Bloom the gambler appears to be doing the same with appointing a manager, this could be great or it could blow up in his face. If Hyypia is appointed as now looks likely then it's a big risk which would have been lessened by going for Mackay or Hughton, it seems like no real effort has been made to try and get them on board which is disappointing tbh.
Yep, any appointment is a gamble, I can't argue with that but perhaps, the real effort has actually uncovered a line of thinking we don't know about?
It could certainly blow up in our faces, but I'm just cautious that as fans, we may be distracted by the familiarity of names like Hughton, Sherwood etc without looking into the deeper facts and that is what you'd hope our lot would have done.
If you mean he will work with jones , or accept players chosen for him by Burke then the deep thinking is clear to me, I sense it's more to do with that criteria than the best candidate ..I don't have a problem with hyypia , but for me it sounds like a lot of better candidates like sherwood have turned us down, I even have a feeling jones is going to more to the front this coming season, again not sure why , but I doubt his credentials.
Again you're entitled to your opinion, I just don't agree with it. "Better candidates" is another subjective view and your opinion on Jones is based on your own gut feeling. All fair enough - as far as it goes.
There are two obvious options in terms of opinion.
1 Hyypia is a guy who's been identified as the one man who'll work within a stringent set up and accept what he's given.
2 We've done the type of background work that suggests it's a clever piece of business and he's a far better candidate than we realise.
Take your pick. You clearly would vote for option 1. We all have an opinion, but apart from a few on the inside, that's all it is.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]East of CrawleyDown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: I posted this on the old story minutes before this one appeared...... It's amazing how opinion can change depending on which way the wind is blowing and I include myself in that. The current favourite is certainly a name from left field, but would his appointment REALLY indicate we've 'failed' to attract a high calibre manager as some have suggested in the last 24 hours? People's opinion is naturally subjective and, as fans, based largely on an irrational knee jerk reaction rather than deeper fact. But with Hyppia having played for ten years in the division we aspire to, represented his country over a hundred times and respectably managed a decent side in the Bundesliga for 18 months, he surely has on that basis, far better credentials than Tim Sherwood and Brian McDermott for starters. Then again, people will say Sherwood did well at Spurs and McDermoot took Reading up so they have other attributes. The argument becomes almost infinite. Chris Hughton clearly has more managerial experience, but do his results back that up against Hyppia? It's that level of detail the board will be looking at when they consider their options. Who is best in this area? Is there someone we can talk to about him? This guy feels a better fit in terms of playing style, but he's inexperienced.. So my point is this..... Rather than suggesting the potential appointment of Hyppia means we've failed, perhaps it actually means we've been comprehensive in our due diligence? Just a thought....[/p][/quote]It's a bit strange that weeks after being told there was a list of high calibre candidates- and we know there are some very experienced managers available who have been highly successful in the championship- we are now looking at a bit of a wild card. Of course Hyypia could be dynamite, but a real gamble, Bloom the gambler appears to be doing the same with appointing a manager, this could be great or it could blow up in his face. If Hyypia is appointed as now looks likely then it's a big risk which would have been lessened by going for Mackay or Hughton, it seems like no real effort has been made to try and get them on board which is disappointing tbh.[/p][/quote]Yep, any appointment is a gamble, I can't argue with that but perhaps, the real effort has actually uncovered a line of thinking we don't know about? It could certainly blow up in our faces, but I'm just cautious that as fans, we may be distracted by the familiarity of names like Hughton, Sherwood etc without looking into the deeper facts and that is what you'd hope our lot would have done.[/p][/quote]If you mean he will work with jones , or accept players chosen for him by Burke then the deep thinking is clear to me, I sense it's more to do with that criteria than the best candidate ..I don't have a problem with hyypia , but for me it sounds like a lot of better candidates like sherwood have turned us down, I even have a feeling jones is going to more to the front this coming season, again not sure why , but I doubt his credentials.[/p][/quote]Again you're entitled to your opinion, I just don't agree with it. "Better candidates" is another subjective view and your opinion on Jones is based on your own gut feeling. All fair enough - as far as it goes. There are two obvious options in terms of opinion. 1 Hyypia is a guy who's been identified as the one man who'll work within a stringent set up and accept what he's given. 2 We've done the type of background work that suggests it's a clever piece of business and he's a far better candidate than we realise. Take your pick. You clearly would vote for option 1. We all have an opinion, but apart from a few on the inside, that's all it is. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 8

7:57am Wed 4 Jun 14

mark by the sea says...

MrHove wrote:
I cant understand all the negative comments, he's being slated before he's even started.
Give the guy a chance!
As someone said above, hes managed in the champions league and the top flight in german football which has improved vastly over the last 3-4 years.
Whoever is appointed will have my support and the "fans" should get behind him.
Tony Bloom has the right to appoint who he feels is the best candidate, unless someone on here is prepared to pay the wages of their chosen one? thought not.
There would not be a club without the fans who fought with dick knight to keep this club alive! Or the ones who stump up to buy a season ticket for the 6 th year in a row ( probably STH for 12 of 20 years)
[quote][p][bold]MrHove[/bold] wrote: I cant understand all the negative comments, he's being slated before he's even started. Give the guy a chance! As someone said above, hes managed in the champions league and the top flight in german football which has improved vastly over the last 3-4 years. Whoever is appointed will have my support and the "fans" should get behind him. Tony Bloom has the right to appoint who he feels is the best candidate, unless someone on here is prepared to pay the wages of their chosen one? thought not.[/p][/quote]There would not be a club without the fans who fought with dick knight to keep this club alive! Or the ones who stump up to buy a season ticket for the 6 th year in a row ( probably STH for 12 of 20 years) mark by the sea
  • Score: 0

7:58am Wed 4 Jun 14

Albion In Staffs says...

mark by the sea wrote:
farside wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Hardly a ringing endorsement , if he did such a great job, why was he not snapped in Germany by people who saw him operate?
This guy can't be one of the outstanding candidates in my opinion, he has no coaching or management experience in the uk , had he played 500 games for west brom would that make him a better or worse candidate?
I sense this is the guy prepared to take the job whatever .
I feel his announcement will include jones moving to a contact between the suits and the manager .. This will be to help communications,
I will no doubt be told I am half empty glass , but I don't buy into this appointment, 3 weeks ago we has high calibre candidates? If hyypia is the best who else wanted it? Sherwood turned it down, and I can only think others too.
You really are a total idiot.
Experience playing in the premier league and as an interational and coaching one of the top teams in one of the toughest leagues in europe as well as at international level isnt enough for you?
We are Brighton not Arsenal or Man U or whoever it is you actually support. This is as good and as exciting as we will get. Clearly whoever gets the job you will be first on his back.
Get real for heaven's sake.
Really so why was he not tipped for any job on any headline except this one?
If he is such a catch I assume he will bring in his own backroom staff?
Does sherwood not have the same credentials? Or houghton or Clarke?
They all have a better cv and experience in this league,
Funny but sherwood turned us down..
Hyypia has no coaching experience in this country, less experience than Gus or OG .. I think this is a major gamble, or he is the only one prepared to work with jones without a say of players coming in..
Your just accepting all is perfect behind the doors to the Amex .
And you're reflecting a black view which is based on your generally pessimistic approach.
Who's guilty?
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]farside[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Hardly a ringing endorsement , if he did such a great job, why was he not snapped in Germany by people who saw him operate? This guy can't be one of the outstanding candidates in my opinion, he has no coaching or management experience in the uk , had he played 500 games for west brom would that make him a better or worse candidate? I sense this is the guy prepared to take the job whatever . I feel his announcement will include jones moving to a contact between the suits and the manager .. This will be to help communications, I will no doubt be told I am half empty glass , but I don't buy into this appointment, 3 weeks ago we has high calibre candidates? If hyypia is the best who else wanted it? Sherwood turned it down, and I can only think others too.[/p][/quote]You really are a total idiot. Experience playing in the premier league and as an interational and coaching one of the top teams in one of the toughest leagues in europe as well as at international level isnt enough for you? We are Brighton not Arsenal or Man U or whoever it is you actually support. This is as good and as exciting as we will get. Clearly whoever gets the job you will be first on his back. Get real for heaven's sake.[/p][/quote]Really so why was he not tipped for any job on any headline except this one? If he is such a catch I assume he will bring in his own backroom staff? Does sherwood not have the same credentials? Or houghton or Clarke? They all have a better cv and experience in this league, Funny but sherwood turned us down.. Hyypia has no coaching experience in this country, less experience than Gus or OG .. I think this is a major gamble, or he is the only one prepared to work with jones without a say of players coming in.. Your just accepting all is perfect behind the doors to the Amex .[/p][/quote]And you're reflecting a black view which is based on your generally pessimistic approach. Who's guilty? Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 6

8:01am Wed 4 Jun 14

elljam says...

Just because It became public that Hyppia was being interviewed, doesn't mean that he is nailed on for the job.
I imagine there are other candidates who are still being interviewed without the press finding out..
So is it really worth all this fuss until we actually know who's got the job, especially this early in the morning !
Just because It became public that Hyppia was being interviewed, doesn't mean that he is nailed on for the job. I imagine there are other candidates who are still being interviewed without the press finding out.. So is it really worth all this fuss until we actually know who's got the job, especially this early in the morning ! elljam
  • Score: 11

8:02am Wed 4 Jun 14

mikeygit says...

Of course this is only a rumour as the lips of The Board are still closed tight--but I would NOT have classed Hypia as the ´high calibre ´manager we are supposed to be looking for and who have applied. Either they are having trouble getting a high calibre manager who wants the job or they are now looking at grade B candidates. Would not be my choice as manager for an ambitious BHA
Of course this is only a rumour as the lips of The Board are still closed tight--but I would NOT have classed Hypia as the ´high calibre ´manager we are supposed to be looking for and who have applied. Either they are having trouble getting a high calibre manager who wants the job or they are now looking at grade B candidates. Would not be my choice as manager for an ambitious BHA mikeygit
  • Score: -2

8:03am Wed 4 Jun 14

Albion In Staffs says...

mark by the sea wrote:
MrHove wrote:
I cant understand all the negative comments, he's being slated before he's even started.
Give the guy a chance!
As someone said above, hes managed in the champions league and the top flight in german football which has improved vastly over the last 3-4 years.
Whoever is appointed will have my support and the "fans" should get behind him.
Tony Bloom has the right to appoint who he feels is the best candidate, unless someone on here is prepared to pay the wages of their chosen one? thought not.
There would not be a club without the fans who fought with dick knight to keep this club alive! Or the ones who stump up to buy a season ticket for the 6 th year in a row ( probably STH for 12 of 20 years)
Sorry Mark, but 'pessimist' should be in your name somewhere. I'm sure there are many devoted fans who have spent thousands following their team, but in TB's case he's spent £100m + of his own money and owns the club outright. In simple terms, he can do what he wants - and generally he does it with the best interests of the club at heart.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrHove[/bold] wrote: I cant understand all the negative comments, he's being slated before he's even started. Give the guy a chance! As someone said above, hes managed in the champions league and the top flight in german football which has improved vastly over the last 3-4 years. Whoever is appointed will have my support and the "fans" should get behind him. Tony Bloom has the right to appoint who he feels is the best candidate, unless someone on here is prepared to pay the wages of their chosen one? thought not.[/p][/quote]There would not be a club without the fans who fought with dick knight to keep this club alive! Or the ones who stump up to buy a season ticket for the 6 th year in a row ( probably STH for 12 of 20 years)[/p][/quote]Sorry Mark, but 'pessimist' should be in your name somewhere. I'm sure there are many devoted fans who have spent thousands following their team, but in TB's case he's spent £100m + of his own money and owns the club outright. In simple terms, he can do what he wants - and generally he does it with the best interests of the club at heart. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 17

8:04am Wed 4 Jun 14

Albion In Staffs says...

elljam wrote:
Just because It became public that Hyppia was being interviewed, doesn't mean that he is nailed on for the job.
I imagine there are other candidates who are still being interviewed without the press finding out..
So is it really worth all this fuss until we actually know who's got the job, especially this early in the morning !
It's a new name and a new theme!!
(But I'm getting bored of it already to be honest)
[quote][p][bold]elljam[/bold] wrote: Just because It became public that Hyppia was being interviewed, doesn't mean that he is nailed on for the job. I imagine there are other candidates who are still being interviewed without the press finding out.. So is it really worth all this fuss until we actually know who's got the job, especially this early in the morning ![/p][/quote]It's a new name and a new theme!! (But I'm getting bored of it already to be honest) Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 2

8:04am Wed 4 Jun 14

ringtone says...

MrHove wrote:
I cant understand all the negative comments, he's being slated before he's even started.
Give the guy a chance!
As someone said above, hes managed in the champions league and the top flight in german football which has improved vastly over the last 3-4 years.
Whoever is appointed will have my support and the "fans" should get behind him.
Tony Bloom has the right to appoint who he feels is the best candidate, unless someone on here is prepared to pay the wages of their chosen one? thought not.
If the posters on here dont rate him then i would say that is a great sign that he would be a terrific appointment.

Twelve months ago this lot were acclaiming Oscar as potentially the greatest coach of all time.

Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect

And then do the opposite.
[quote][p][bold]MrHove[/bold] wrote: I cant understand all the negative comments, he's being slated before he's even started. Give the guy a chance! As someone said above, hes managed in the champions league and the top flight in german football which has improved vastly over the last 3-4 years. Whoever is appointed will have my support and the "fans" should get behind him. Tony Bloom has the right to appoint who he feels is the best candidate, unless someone on here is prepared to pay the wages of their chosen one? thought not.[/p][/quote]If the posters on here dont rate him then i would say that is a great sign that he would be a terrific appointment. Twelve months ago this lot were acclaiming Oscar as potentially the greatest coach of all time. Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect And then do the opposite. ringtone
  • Score: 4

8:08am Wed 4 Jun 14

Albion In Staffs says...

mikeygit wrote:
Of course this is only a rumour as the lips of The Board are still closed tight--but I would NOT have classed Hypia as the ´high calibre ´manager we are supposed to be looking for and who have applied. Either they are having trouble getting a high calibre manager who wants the job or they are now looking at grade B candidates. Would not be my choice as manager for an ambitious BHA
Again, I'd ask what you class as 'high calibre'? There are so many attributes to choose form and piece together.
And, as I've said before there is a third option to add to your two suggestions and that is we've uncovered a diamond with some decent work. You might not agree with that as a premise, but it IS a possibility.
[quote][p][bold]mikeygit[/bold] wrote: Of course this is only a rumour as the lips of The Board are still closed tight--but I would NOT have classed Hypia as the ´high calibre ´manager we are supposed to be looking for and who have applied. Either they are having trouble getting a high calibre manager who wants the job or they are now looking at grade B candidates. Would not be my choice as manager for an ambitious BHA[/p][/quote]Again, I'd ask what you class as 'high calibre'? There are so many attributes to choose form and piece together. And, as I've said before there is a third option to add to your two suggestions and that is we've uncovered a diamond with some decent work. You might not agree with that as a premise, but it IS a possibility. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 2

8:09am Wed 4 Jun 14

skylight says...

Why does he remind me of Ole Gunnar Solskaer ?
Success "over there" is not always repeated here...but who knows?
Whoever we get , we will support the team . There must be a myriad of factors to consider and, rightly, they are not all public.
Why does he remind me of Ole Gunnar Solskaer ? Success "over there" is not always repeated here...but who knows? Whoever we get , we will support the team . There must be a myriad of factors to consider and, rightly, they are not all public. skylight
  • Score: 2

8:11am Wed 4 Jun 14

JeffLomer says...

Morning boys,
The way I see it with Hyypia is he might not off been the favourite according to the papers like the other three candidates that we kept hearing about all the time, but that does not mean that he was not amongst the top men for the job, my guess he has been interviewed last week and the board have decided to offer him the job, maybe because the others were not suitable or didn't fancy the job after there interview, if it us Hyypia or someone else we've got to give them a chance and not get on there back, like some on here like to do, we all want the same thing,
Up the Albion!!!!
Morning boys, The way I see it with Hyypia is he might not off been the favourite according to the papers like the other three candidates that we kept hearing about all the time, but that does not mean that he was not amongst the top men for the job, my guess he has been interviewed last week and the board have decided to offer him the job, maybe because the others were not suitable or didn't fancy the job after there interview, if it us Hyypia or someone else we've got to give them a chance and not get on there back, like some on here like to do, we all want the same thing, Up the Albion!!!! JeffLomer
  • Score: 5

8:13am Wed 4 Jun 14

ringtone says...

skylight wrote:
Why does he remind me of Ole Gunnar Solskaer ?
Success "over there" is not always repeated here...but who knows?
Whoever we get , we will support the team . There must be a myriad of factors to consider and, rightly, they are not all public.
I didnt realise the Norwegian and German leagues had merged.

Mind you, there is not a lot difference in quality between the two, LOL.
[quote][p][bold]skylight[/bold] wrote: Why does he remind me of Ole Gunnar Solskaer ? Success "over there" is not always repeated here...but who knows? Whoever we get , we will support the team . There must be a myriad of factors to consider and, rightly, they are not all public.[/p][/quote]I didnt realise the Norwegian and German leagues had merged. Mind you, there is not a lot difference in quality between the two, LOL. ringtone
  • Score: -3

8:18am Wed 4 Jun 14

mikeygit says...

Oh yes, guys--I agree whoever is appointed we have to respect the choice and get behind the team and manager until such time it is appropriate to do otherwise. We all have our opinions and only time will tell whether the right choices have been made---but I wish now they would get on with it. We were ill prepared at the beginning of last season and this season we need even more players so a lot more to do this season than last so even more important that the Club and Team can prepare and move on.
Oh yes, guys--I agree whoever is appointed we have to respect the choice and get behind the team and manager until such time it is appropriate to do otherwise. We all have our opinions and only time will tell whether the right choices have been made---but I wish now they would get on with it. We were ill prepared at the beginning of last season and this season we need even more players so a lot more to do this season than last so even more important that the Club and Team can prepare and move on. mikeygit
  • Score: 3

8:24am Wed 4 Jun 14

Rhodes Seagull says...

As previously stated above "What credentials did Gus have before being given a chance at Brighton" and he did very well you must admit, so why not Hyppia?
I think it is more important that we get a manager in place and get the team sorted out as far as In's and outs go!
SH like Gus is relatively young in the managerial roundabout and will I'm sure be eager to prove himself.
Why did we not thus far sign one of these outstanding candidates?
Maybe because certain people at the club seem to be more interested in staying within the fair play money option than how the club does in the coming season but one thing is for sure if we do not get a manager in place that we can keep hold of for the foreseeable future we will find it very hard to get out of this division, we need someone that has confidence in the players to do the job and players have confidence in him to get them to the top.
Does not matter who we the supporters want as manager it is in the hands of the chairman and he also so far has not been wrong in the choices he has made? Two season in the play offs, I bet there are a lot of chairmen/owners out there who envy that statistic!!!!
As previously stated above "What credentials did Gus have before being given a chance at Brighton" and he did very well you must admit, so why not Hyppia? I think it is more important that we get a manager in place and get the team sorted out as far as In's and outs go! SH like Gus is relatively young in the managerial roundabout and will I'm sure be eager to prove himself. Why did we not thus far sign one of these outstanding candidates? Maybe because certain people at the club seem to be more interested in staying within the fair play money option than how the club does in the coming season but one thing is for sure if we do not get a manager in place that we can keep hold of for the foreseeable future we will find it very hard to get out of this division, we need someone that has confidence in the players to do the job and players have confidence in him to get them to the top. Does not matter who we the supporters want as manager it is in the hands of the chairman and he also so far has not been wrong in the choices he has made? Two season in the play offs, I bet there are a lot of chairmen/owners out there who envy that statistic!!!! Rhodes Seagull
  • Score: 7

8:27am Wed 4 Jun 14

Sussex J says...

Sherwood - many were hostile to the idea of his appointment when he was a short priced favourite and his propensity to be outspoken was never going to make him an easy fit (and Sherwood probably has hopes of PL jobs while they remain open)

Steve Clarke - some on here described him as dull and uninspiring and while he might have been a god choice for us, who can blame him for having his head turned by Celtic (who he supported as a boy) and the prospect of Champions League football

Paul Clement - the club was clearly interested in considering his appointment - some on here complained about his lack of management experience and little knowledge of the Championship - but it is understandable that he should decide to continue to work with the European Champions and the likes of Ronaldo and Bale.

Chris Hughton - would have been an unpopular choice with many and is frequently described on here as uninspiring

Scanning a long list of other canditdates in the betting it was always hard to see someone who would make an inspiring and exciting appointment. My point is that it was never going to be easy for the Board to find someone who would win universal endorsement on this site. Their challenge was compounded by the range of other decent jobs out there with many managers seemingly waiting to see how things unfold. Vegas (and some others) said at the outset that it would probably be someone who no one on here was talking about and at least Hyppia would be an intriguing appointment (with a decent record in Germany).

A final point is that many have criticised the lack of information from the club. I for one think the club has behaved in an entirley professional way through this process. We have seen many other clubs and individuals emabarassed after targets have been made public and not worked out(sometimes one after the other).
Sherwood - many were hostile to the idea of his appointment when he was a short priced favourite and his propensity to be outspoken was never going to make him an easy fit (and Sherwood probably has hopes of PL jobs while they remain open) Steve Clarke - some on here described him as dull and uninspiring and while he might have been a god choice for us, who can blame him for having his head turned by Celtic (who he supported as a boy) and the prospect of Champions League football Paul Clement - the club was clearly interested in considering his appointment - some on here complained about his lack of management experience and little knowledge of the Championship - but it is understandable that he should decide to continue to work with the European Champions and the likes of Ronaldo and Bale. Chris Hughton - would have been an unpopular choice with many and is frequently described on here as uninspiring Scanning a long list of other canditdates in the betting it was always hard to see someone who would make an inspiring and exciting appointment. My point is that it was never going to be easy for the Board to find someone who would win universal endorsement on this site. Their challenge was compounded by the range of other decent jobs out there with many managers seemingly waiting to see how things unfold. Vegas (and some others) said at the outset that it would probably be someone who no one on here was talking about and at least Hyppia would be an intriguing appointment (with a decent record in Germany). A final point is that many have criticised the lack of information from the club. I for one think the club has behaved in an entirley professional way through this process. We have seen many other clubs and individuals emabarassed after targets have been made public and not worked out(sometimes one after the other). Sussex J
  • Score: 16

8:43am Wed 4 Jun 14

Joel'sGrandad says...

Wonderful game football is and it divides opinion like no other.
Sami Hyypia is only starting his managerial career after an illustrious playing career at one of the World's greatest clubs.
If he is appointed we should all be positive and support him and the Albion.
None of us know him or have ever spoken to him so how can so many of us form such negative thoughts about him.
I realise all is not well behind the scenes at the Albion but football is all about motivation and getting the best out of players. This guy could be just the answer and I leave it to TB to get it right. UTA
Wonderful game football is and it divides opinion like no other. Sami Hyypia is only starting his managerial career after an illustrious playing career at one of the World's greatest clubs. If he is appointed we should all be positive and support him and the Albion. None of us know him or have ever spoken to him so how can so many of us form such negative thoughts about him. I realise all is not well behind the scenes at the Albion but football is all about motivation and getting the best out of players. This guy could be just the answer and I leave it to TB to get it right. UTA Joel'sGrandad
  • Score: 6

9:04am Wed 4 Jun 14

Clean Sheet says...

Joel'sGrandad wrote:
Wonderful game football is and it divides opinion like no other. Sami Hyypia is only starting his managerial career after an illustrious playing career at one of the World's greatest clubs. If he is appointed we should all be positive and support him and the Albion. None of us know him or have ever spoken to him so how can so many of us form such negative thoughts about him. I realise all is not well behind the scenes at the Albion but football is all about motivation and getting the best out of players. This guy could be just the answer and I leave it to TB to get it right. UTA
Why do you state that ....all is not well behind the scenes at the Albion........? Brighton is a well supported club, with a fantastic Chairman who has been a lifelong fan, and prepared to fund the club to create a great future for us. I would say that there is a lot behind the scenes that is really good. Yes we have had 2 changes of management in the last 2 seasons, 1 sacked, and 1 resigned. I don't know the facts behind either of these departures, and I doubt many on here do either. However, both Managers got us to the play offs, and I think a great resutl for the club given where we have come from in such a short time. We have 2 of our young developing players in the England under 21's and 2 or 3 more promising prospects. Whether Sami Hyypia gets the job pr not, I dont think TB or "The Suits" have made a bad job of things so far, so I for 1 will continue to give my best support to the club.
[quote][p][bold]Joel'sGrandad[/bold] wrote: Wonderful game football is and it divides opinion like no other. Sami Hyypia is only starting his managerial career after an illustrious playing career at one of the World's greatest clubs. If he is appointed we should all be positive and support him and the Albion. None of us know him or have ever spoken to him so how can so many of us form such negative thoughts about him. I realise all is not well behind the scenes at the Albion but football is all about motivation and getting the best out of players. This guy could be just the answer and I leave it to TB to get it right. UTA[/p][/quote]Why do you state that ....all is not well behind the scenes at the Albion........? Brighton is a well supported club, with a fantastic Chairman who has been a lifelong fan, and prepared to fund the club to create a great future for us. I would say that there is a lot behind the scenes that is really good. Yes we have had 2 changes of management in the last 2 seasons, 1 sacked, and 1 resigned. I don't know the facts behind either of these departures, and I doubt many on here do either. However, both Managers got us to the play offs, and I think a great resutl for the club given where we have come from in such a short time. We have 2 of our young developing players in the England under 21's and 2 or 3 more promising prospects. Whether Sami Hyypia gets the job pr not, I dont think TB or "The Suits" have made a bad job of things so far, so I for 1 will continue to give my best support to the club. Clean Sheet
  • Score: 13

9:14am Wed 4 Jun 14

Claude Back says...

ringtone wrote:
MrHove wrote:
I cant understand all the negative comments, he's being slated before he's even started.
Give the guy a chance!
As someone said above, hes managed in the champions league and the top flight in german football which has improved vastly over the last 3-4 years.
Whoever is appointed will have my support and the "fans" should get behind him.
Tony Bloom has the right to appoint who he feels is the best candidate, unless someone on here is prepared to pay the wages of their chosen one? thought not.
If the posters on here dont rate him then i would say that is a great sign that he would be a terrific appointment.

Twelve months ago this lot were acclaiming Oscar as potentially the greatest coach of all time.

Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect

And then do the opposite.
Very wise words.
[quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrHove[/bold] wrote: I cant understand all the negative comments, he's being slated before he's even started. Give the guy a chance! As someone said above, hes managed in the champions league and the top flight in german football which has improved vastly over the last 3-4 years. Whoever is appointed will have my support and the "fans" should get behind him. Tony Bloom has the right to appoint who he feels is the best candidate, unless someone on here is prepared to pay the wages of their chosen one? thought not.[/p][/quote]If the posters on here dont rate him then i would say that is a great sign that he would be a terrific appointment. Twelve months ago this lot were acclaiming Oscar as potentially the greatest coach of all time. Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect And then do the opposite.[/p][/quote]Very wise words. Claude Back
  • Score: 2

9:38am Wed 4 Jun 14

farside says...

mark by the sea wrote:
farside wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Hardly a ringing endorsement , if he did such a great job, why was he not snapped in Germany by people who saw him operate?
This guy can't be one of the outstanding candidates in my opinion, he has no coaching or management experience in the uk , had he played 500 games for west brom would that make him a better or worse candidate?
I sense this is the guy prepared to take the job whatever .
I feel his announcement will include jones moving to a contact between the suits and the manager .. This will be to help communications,
I will no doubt be told I am half empty glass , but I don't buy into this appointment, 3 weeks ago we has high calibre candidates? If hyypia is the best who else wanted it? Sherwood turned it down, and I can only think others too.
You really are a total idiot.
Experience playing in the premier league and as an interational and coaching one of the top teams in one of the toughest leagues in europe as well as at international level isnt enough for you?
We are Brighton not Arsenal or Man U or whoever it is you actually support. This is as good and as exciting as we will get. Clearly whoever gets the job you will be first on his back.
Get real for heaven's sake.
Really so why was he not tipped for any job on any headline except this one?
If he is such a catch I assume he will bring in his own backroom staff?
Does sherwood not have the same credentials? Or houghton or Clarke?
They all have a better cv and experience in this league,
Funny but sherwood turned us down..
Hyypia has no coaching experience in this country, less experience than Gus or OG .. I think this is a major gamble, or he is the only one prepared to work with jones without a say of players coming in..
Your just accepting all is perfect behind the doors to the Amex .
Sherwood & Clarke have a better cv in this league?

No they dont. Better in England for sure but coaching football and understanding tactics is universal........unl
ess you are Nigel Farage maybe?
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]farside[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Hardly a ringing endorsement , if he did such a great job, why was he not snapped in Germany by people who saw him operate? This guy can't be one of the outstanding candidates in my opinion, he has no coaching or management experience in the uk , had he played 500 games for west brom would that make him a better or worse candidate? I sense this is the guy prepared to take the job whatever . I feel his announcement will include jones moving to a contact between the suits and the manager .. This will be to help communications, I will no doubt be told I am half empty glass , but I don't buy into this appointment, 3 weeks ago we has high calibre candidates? If hyypia is the best who else wanted it? Sherwood turned it down, and I can only think others too.[/p][/quote]You really are a total idiot. Experience playing in the premier league and as an interational and coaching one of the top teams in one of the toughest leagues in europe as well as at international level isnt enough for you? We are Brighton not Arsenal or Man U or whoever it is you actually support. This is as good and as exciting as we will get. Clearly whoever gets the job you will be first on his back. Get real for heaven's sake.[/p][/quote]Really so why was he not tipped for any job on any headline except this one? If he is such a catch I assume he will bring in his own backroom staff? Does sherwood not have the same credentials? Or houghton or Clarke? They all have a better cv and experience in this league, Funny but sherwood turned us down.. Hyypia has no coaching experience in this country, less experience than Gus or OG .. I think this is a major gamble, or he is the only one prepared to work with jones without a say of players coming in.. Your just accepting all is perfect behind the doors to the Amex .[/p][/quote]Sherwood & Clarke have a better cv in this league? No they dont. Better in England for sure but coaching football and understanding tactics is universal........unl ess you are Nigel Farage maybe? farside
  • Score: 5

9:49am Wed 4 Jun 14

tinker111 says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
I posted this on the old story minutes before this one appeared......

It's amazing how opinion can change depending on which way the wind is blowing and I include myself in that.
The current favourite is certainly a name from left field, but would his appointment REALLY indicate we've 'failed' to attract a high calibre manager as some have suggested in the last 24 hours?
People's opinion is naturally subjective and, as fans, based largely on an irrational knee jerk reaction rather than deeper fact.
But with Hyppia having played for ten years in the division we aspire to, represented his country over a hundred times and respectably managed a decent side in the Bundesliga for 18 months, he surely has on that basis, far better credentials than Tim Sherwood and Brian McDermott for starters. Then again, people will say Sherwood did well at Spurs and McDermoot took Reading up so they have other attributes. The argument becomes almost infinite.
Chris Hughton clearly has more managerial experience, but do his results back that up against Hyppia? It's that level of detail the board will be looking at when they consider their options. Who is best in this area? Is there someone we can talk to about him? This guy feels a better fit in terms of playing style, but he's inexperienced..
So my point is this..... Rather than suggesting the potential appointment of Hyppia means we've failed, perhaps it actually means we've been comprehensive in our due diligence?
Just a thought....
Think Scrapping barrel might fit in here
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: I posted this on the old story minutes before this one appeared...... It's amazing how opinion can change depending on which way the wind is blowing and I include myself in that. The current favourite is certainly a name from left field, but would his appointment REALLY indicate we've 'failed' to attract a high calibre manager as some have suggested in the last 24 hours? People's opinion is naturally subjective and, as fans, based largely on an irrational knee jerk reaction rather than deeper fact. But with Hyppia having played for ten years in the division we aspire to, represented his country over a hundred times and respectably managed a decent side in the Bundesliga for 18 months, he surely has on that basis, far better credentials than Tim Sherwood and Brian McDermott for starters. Then again, people will say Sherwood did well at Spurs and McDermoot took Reading up so they have other attributes. The argument becomes almost infinite. Chris Hughton clearly has more managerial experience, but do his results back that up against Hyppia? It's that level of detail the board will be looking at when they consider their options. Who is best in this area? Is there someone we can talk to about him? This guy feels a better fit in terms of playing style, but he's inexperienced.. So my point is this..... Rather than suggesting the potential appointment of Hyppia means we've failed, perhaps it actually means we've been comprehensive in our due diligence? Just a thought....[/p][/quote]Think Scrapping barrel might fit in here tinker111
  • Score: -3

9:52am Wed 4 Jun 14

ballantrrae says...

mark by the sea wrote:
I need to clarify this..
Burke said a few weeks ago ' The new manager will have the same job as OG had, ' by this I assume a coaching roll rather than a manager,
Sami hyypia is not a coach! OG had many years experience in coaching has his A badge obviously...
If Sami is doing the same job,there abilities are miles apart?
I am not knocking him, but his cv is a gamble compared to Gus and OG .
MBTS, whilst it is true that the club said that the new Manager would have the same job as Oscar (and also Poyet) when Oscar was offered the title of Manager (after the legal aspects of Poyet's departure had been sorted) he turned it down. Therefore Oscar was in essence the club's Manager as Poyet had been even if he preferred to be called 'Head Coach'.
As Joel's Grandad raised a couple of weeks back the appointment of the new Manager's No2 and other backroom staff will also be an important factor in the decision making process. Certainly it will be one aspect that I will look at. That was one point in Sherwood's favour where it seemed that Ferdinand and Ramsey might be part of the package. The excellent point you make MBTS about Hyypia's lack of experience of coaching in the UK and the Championship might conceivably be covered by members of his team.
Still think it will be one of Hughton, Clarke or Hyypia. Not particularly excited by Hantz (ex Bastia Manager) especially given his lack of experience in England. I also think that we will hear who TB is appointing in the next day or so. UTA
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: I need to clarify this.. Burke said a few weeks ago ' The new manager will have the same job as OG had, ' by this I assume a coaching roll rather than a manager, Sami hyypia is not a coach! OG had many years experience in coaching has his A badge obviously... If Sami is doing the same job,there abilities are miles apart? I am not knocking him, but his cv is a gamble compared to Gus and OG .[/p][/quote]MBTS, whilst it is true that the club said that the new Manager would have the same job as Oscar (and also Poyet) when Oscar was offered the title of Manager (after the legal aspects of Poyet's departure had been sorted) he turned it down. Therefore Oscar was in essence the club's Manager as Poyet had been even if he preferred to be called 'Head Coach'. As Joel's Grandad raised a couple of weeks back the appointment of the new Manager's No2 and other backroom staff will also be an important factor in the decision making process. Certainly it will be one aspect that I will look at. That was one point in Sherwood's favour where it seemed that Ferdinand and Ramsey might be part of the package. The excellent point you make MBTS about Hyypia's lack of experience of coaching in the UK and the Championship might conceivably be covered by members of his team. Still think it will be one of Hughton, Clarke or Hyypia. Not particularly excited by Hantz (ex Bastia Manager) especially given his lack of experience in England. I also think that we will hear who TB is appointing in the next day or so. UTA ballantrrae
  • Score: 7

10:08am Wed 4 Jun 14

ballantrrae says...

Claude Back wrote:
ringtone wrote:
MrHove wrote:
I cant understand all the negative comments, he's being slated before he's even started.
Give the guy a chance!
As someone said above, hes managed in the champions league and the top flight in german football which has improved vastly over the last 3-4 years.
Whoever is appointed will have my support and the "fans" should get behind him.
Tony Bloom has the right to appoint who he feels is the best candidate, unless someone on here is prepared to pay the wages of their chosen one? thought not.
If the posters on here dont rate him then i would say that is a great sign that he would be a terrific appointment.

Twelve months ago this lot were acclaiming Oscar as potentially the greatest coach of all time.

Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect

And then do the opposite.
Very wise words.
Three good posts with well made points.
As someone else has posted whoever is appointed s facing a significant challenge (re-building team & living up to two play-off finishes) as well as having an opportunity to achieve something special.
Much rests on TB's decision. Interesting times.
[quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrHove[/bold] wrote: I cant understand all the negative comments, he's being slated before he's even started. Give the guy a chance! As someone said above, hes managed in the champions league and the top flight in german football which has improved vastly over the last 3-4 years. Whoever is appointed will have my support and the "fans" should get behind him. Tony Bloom has the right to appoint who he feels is the best candidate, unless someone on here is prepared to pay the wages of their chosen one? thought not.[/p][/quote]If the posters on here dont rate him then i would say that is a great sign that he would be a terrific appointment. Twelve months ago this lot were acclaiming Oscar as potentially the greatest coach of all time. Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect And then do the opposite.[/p][/quote]Very wise words.[/p][/quote]Three good posts with well made points. As someone else has posted whoever is appointed s facing a significant challenge (re-building team & living up to two play-off finishes) as well as having an opportunity to achieve something special. Much rests on TB's decision. Interesting times. ballantrrae
  • Score: 3

10:14am Wed 4 Jun 14

mark by the sea says...

farside wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
farside wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Hardly a ringing endorsement , if he did such a great job, why was he not snapped in Germany by people who saw him operate?
This guy can't be one of the outstanding candidates in my opinion, he has no coaching or management experience in the uk , had he played 500 games for west brom would that make him a better or worse candidate?
I sense this is the guy prepared to take the job whatever .
I feel his announcement will include jones moving to a contact between the suits and the manager .. This will be to help communications,
I will no doubt be told I am half empty glass , but I don't buy into this appointment, 3 weeks ago we has high calibre candidates? If hyypia is the best who else wanted it? Sherwood turned it down, and I can only think others too.
You really are a total idiot.
Experience playing in the premier league and as an interational and coaching one of the top teams in one of the toughest leagues in europe as well as at international level isnt enough for you?
We are Brighton not Arsenal or Man U or whoever it is you actually support. This is as good and as exciting as we will get. Clearly whoever gets the job you will be first on his back.
Get real for heaven's sake.
Really so why was he not tipped for any job on any headline except this one?
If he is such a catch I assume he will bring in his own backroom staff?
Does sherwood not have the same credentials? Or houghton or Clarke?
They all have a better cv and experience in this league,
Funny but sherwood turned us down..
Hyypia has no coaching experience in this country, less experience than Gus or OG .. I think this is a major gamble, or he is the only one prepared to work with jones without a say of players coming in..
Your just accepting all is perfect behind the doors to the Amex .
Sherwood & Clarke have a better cv in this league?

No they dont. Better in England for sure but coaching football and understanding tactics is universal........unl

ess you are Nigel Farage maybe?
Footballers from all over the world struggle with the pace and power of the English game, so tactics are different here, how many other countries have a number 9 in the old fashioned way, Andy Carroll , stoke city hitting the big man is English , of course Clarke has a better cv as does houghton both managed premier league and in the case of Clarke been under the greats of the past at Chelsea ..
My concern is about why him rather than oh yes of course !
[quote][p][bold]farside[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]farside[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Hardly a ringing endorsement , if he did such a great job, why was he not snapped in Germany by people who saw him operate? This guy can't be one of the outstanding candidates in my opinion, he has no coaching or management experience in the uk , had he played 500 games for west brom would that make him a better or worse candidate? I sense this is the guy prepared to take the job whatever . I feel his announcement will include jones moving to a contact between the suits and the manager .. This will be to help communications, I will no doubt be told I am half empty glass , but I don't buy into this appointment, 3 weeks ago we has high calibre candidates? If hyypia is the best who else wanted it? Sherwood turned it down, and I can only think others too.[/p][/quote]You really are a total idiot. Experience playing in the premier league and as an interational and coaching one of the top teams in one of the toughest leagues in europe as well as at international level isnt enough for you? We are Brighton not Arsenal or Man U or whoever it is you actually support. This is as good and as exciting as we will get. Clearly whoever gets the job you will be first on his back. Get real for heaven's sake.[/p][/quote]Really so why was he not tipped for any job on any headline except this one? If he is such a catch I assume he will bring in his own backroom staff? Does sherwood not have the same credentials? Or houghton or Clarke? They all have a better cv and experience in this league, Funny but sherwood turned us down.. Hyypia has no coaching experience in this country, less experience than Gus or OG .. I think this is a major gamble, or he is the only one prepared to work with jones without a say of players coming in.. Your just accepting all is perfect behind the doors to the Amex .[/p][/quote]Sherwood & Clarke have a better cv in this league? No they dont. Better in England for sure but coaching football and understanding tactics is universal........unl ess you are Nigel Farage maybe?[/p][/quote]Footballers from all over the world struggle with the pace and power of the English game, so tactics are different here, how many other countries have a number 9 in the old fashioned way, Andy Carroll , stoke city hitting the big man is English , of course Clarke has a better cv as does houghton both managed premier league and in the case of Clarke been under the greats of the past at Chelsea .. My concern is about why him rather than oh yes of course ! mark by the sea
  • Score: -6

10:20am Wed 4 Jun 14

hubby says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
I posted this on the old story minutes before this one appeared......

It's amazing how opinion can change depending on which way the wind is blowing and I include myself in that.
The current favourite is certainly a name from left field, but would his appointment REALLY indicate we've 'failed' to attract a high calibre manager as some have suggested in the last 24 hours?
People's opinion is naturally subjective and, as fans, based largely on an irrational knee jerk reaction rather than deeper fact.
But with Hyppia having played for ten years in the division we aspire to, represented his country over a hundred times and respectably managed a decent side in the Bundesliga for 18 months, he surely has on that basis, far better credentials than Tim Sherwood and Brian McDermott for starters. Then again, people will say Sherwood did well at Spurs and McDermoot took Reading up so they have other attributes. The argument becomes almost infinite.
Chris Hughton clearly has more managerial experience, but do his results back that up against Hyppia? It's that level of detail the board will be looking at when they consider their options. Who is best in this area? Is there someone we can talk to about him? This guy feels a better fit in terms of playing style, but he's inexperienced..
So my point is this..... Rather than suggesting the potential appointment of Hyppia means we've failed, perhaps it actually means we've been comprehensive in our due diligence?
Just a thought....
Morning , what experience does hyypia have of coaching in this country?
Is he any better than jimmy case was ?
Probably more sober!
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: I posted this on the old story minutes before this one appeared...... It's amazing how opinion can change depending on which way the wind is blowing and I include myself in that. The current favourite is certainly a name from left field, but would his appointment REALLY indicate we've 'failed' to attract a high calibre manager as some have suggested in the last 24 hours? People's opinion is naturally subjective and, as fans, based largely on an irrational knee jerk reaction rather than deeper fact. But with Hyppia having played for ten years in the division we aspire to, represented his country over a hundred times and respectably managed a decent side in the Bundesliga for 18 months, he surely has on that basis, far better credentials than Tim Sherwood and Brian McDermott for starters. Then again, people will say Sherwood did well at Spurs and McDermoot took Reading up so they have other attributes. The argument becomes almost infinite. Chris Hughton clearly has more managerial experience, but do his results back that up against Hyppia? It's that level of detail the board will be looking at when they consider their options. Who is best in this area? Is there someone we can talk to about him? This guy feels a better fit in terms of playing style, but he's inexperienced.. So my point is this..... Rather than suggesting the potential appointment of Hyppia means we've failed, perhaps it actually means we've been comprehensive in our due diligence? Just a thought....[/p][/quote]Morning , what experience does hyypia have of coaching in this country? Is he any better than jimmy case was ?[/p][/quote]Probably more sober! hubby
  • Score: 1

10:22am Wed 4 Jun 14

hubby says...

Jonathan Mouette wrote:
Sami will be a great appointment if he is left to do the job without interference from down the corridor. People objecting because his managerial experience has not been gained in this country would probably favour Farage getting the job. UTA...!!!
Give him a go if he actually wants the job.
Better than trying to convince someone who thinks they can do better.
[quote][p][bold]Jonathan Mouette[/bold] wrote: Sami will be a great appointment if he is left to do the job without interference from down the corridor. People objecting because his managerial experience has not been gained in this country would probably favour Farage getting the job. UTA...!!![/p][/quote]Give him a go if he actually wants the job. Better than trying to convince someone who thinks they can do better. hubby
  • Score: 4

10:26am Wed 4 Jun 14

Joel'sGrandad says...

Clean Sheet wrote:
Joel'sGrandad wrote:
Wonderful game football is and it divides opinion like no other. Sami Hyypia is only starting his managerial career after an illustrious playing career at one of the World's greatest clubs. If he is appointed we should all be positive and support him and the Albion. None of us know him or have ever spoken to him so how can so many of us form such negative thoughts about him. I realise all is not well behind the scenes at the Albion but football is all about motivation and getting the best out of players. This guy could be just the answer and I leave it to TB to get it right. UTA
Why do you state that ....all is not well behind the scenes at the Albion........? Brighton is a well supported club, with a fantastic Chairman who has been a lifelong fan, and prepared to fund the club to create a great future for us. I would say that there is a lot behind the scenes that is really good. Yes we have had 2 changes of management in the last 2 seasons, 1 sacked, and 1 resigned. I don't know the facts behind either of these departures, and I doubt many on here do either. However, both Managers got us to the play offs, and I think a great resutl for the club given where we have come from in such a short time. We have 2 of our young developing players in the England under 21's and 2 or 3 more promising prospects. Whether Sami Hyypia gets the job pr not, I dont think TB or "The Suits" have made a bad job of things so far, so I for 1 will continue to give my best support to the club.
All the good things are on the playing side and what we can see for our own eyes, ie the ground and new training facilities.
But why have we lost 2 very good coaches/managers in such a short time.
That is the basis of my comment and why is it taking so long to appoint a new one?
I guess I'm no more knowledgeable than the next man but something is not right. That's all.
I will also continue to support the club. UTA
[quote][p][bold]Clean Sheet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Joel'sGrandad[/bold] wrote: Wonderful game football is and it divides opinion like no other. Sami Hyypia is only starting his managerial career after an illustrious playing career at one of the World's greatest clubs. If he is appointed we should all be positive and support him and the Albion. None of us know him or have ever spoken to him so how can so many of us form such negative thoughts about him. I realise all is not well behind the scenes at the Albion but football is all about motivation and getting the best out of players. This guy could be just the answer and I leave it to TB to get it right. UTA[/p][/quote]Why do you state that ....all is not well behind the scenes at the Albion........? Brighton is a well supported club, with a fantastic Chairman who has been a lifelong fan, and prepared to fund the club to create a great future for us. I would say that there is a lot behind the scenes that is really good. Yes we have had 2 changes of management in the last 2 seasons, 1 sacked, and 1 resigned. I don't know the facts behind either of these departures, and I doubt many on here do either. However, both Managers got us to the play offs, and I think a great resutl for the club given where we have come from in such a short time. We have 2 of our young developing players in the England under 21's and 2 or 3 more promising prospects. Whether Sami Hyypia gets the job pr not, I dont think TB or "The Suits" have made a bad job of things so far, so I for 1 will continue to give my best support to the club.[/p][/quote]All the good things are on the playing side and what we can see for our own eyes, ie the ground and new training facilities. But why have we lost 2 very good coaches/managers in such a short time. That is the basis of my comment and why is it taking so long to appoint a new one? I guess I'm no more knowledgeable than the next man but something is not right. That's all. I will also continue to support the club. UTA Joel'sGrandad
  • Score: 4

11:37am Wed 4 Jun 14

pte says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
I posted this on the old story minutes before this one appeared......

It's amazing how opinion can change depending on which way the wind is blowing and I include myself in that.
The current favourite is certainly a name from left field, but would his appointment REALLY indicate we've 'failed' to attract a high calibre manager as some have suggested in the last 24 hours?
People's opinion is naturally subjective and, as fans, based largely on an irrational knee jerk reaction rather than deeper fact.
But with Hyppia having played for ten years in the division we aspire to, represented his country over a hundred times and respectably managed a decent side in the Bundesliga for 18 months, he surely has on that basis, far better credentials than Tim Sherwood and Brian McDermott for starters. Then again, people will say Sherwood did well at Spurs and McDermoot took Reading up so they have other attributes. The argument becomes almost infinite.
Chris Hughton clearly has more managerial experience, but do his results back that up against Hyppia? It's that level of detail the board will be looking at when they consider their options. Who is best in this area? Is there someone we can talk to about him? This guy feels a better fit in terms of playing style, but he's inexperienced..
So my point is this..... Rather than suggesting the potential appointment of Hyppia means we've failed, perhaps it actually means we've been comprehensive in our due diligence?
Just a thought....
Morning , what experience does hyypia have of coaching in this country?
Is he any better than jimmy case was ?
On the basis of that direct comparison, at this moment the answer is no, but then again you could say the same about Gus's appointment given his previous lack of coaching experience.
As I said previously, it's subjective and I understand why you're underwhelmed, but in answer to your point that he can't be any good because he hasn't been 'snapped up' by someone else, I'd say on that basis, we'd never be happy with anyone who takes the job.
My point is that perhaps - just perhaps - they've uncovered a decent operator. I don't know that for certain and by Christmas we could all be lamenting the decision. (if it transpires) And yes, he could be the only bloke prepared to work under what appears to be a cast-iron set up and do as he's told...
No-one comes with guarantees, but sometimes the obvious answers aren't the right ones. If he's appointed, the opinion's will ebb and flow until we've played a few games. Gotta love football!
Gus poyet has coaching and was assistant manager at Leeds and spurs before becoming the albions manager..
You should read the independent article ( search hyypia coaching qualifications) it appears he was dressing room motivator with a qualified coach , he then became manager and appointed two coaches to work with the players, there is a hint on another thread on that search he is not a qualified coach? Which means if he is not coaching or is going to sign his own players what exactly will he bring? Motivational speeches only work when players listen , looks like jones is being promoted to me.
My point about Gus was that he wasn't previously a manager.
You're clearly not sold on Hyppia which is fine and like anyone with
a strong opinion, you can find information and theory to back your argument.
In truth, I'm not entirely convinced, but I'm rather more inclined to wait and see because there's no way of knowing the full story. I'm merely suggesting our lot may have done a bit more work than some are prepared to admit.
But he is not a coach, OG and Gus are qualified A badge material,
Hyypia and jones is my bet.
Sherwood is a coach first and foremost ,
Houghton a coach .
Clarke a coach .
Hyypia is a manager?
That's my point unless we are changing and the DOF is going , what will hyypia do for his money?
Pout?
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: I posted this on the old story minutes before this one appeared...... It's amazing how opinion can change depending on which way the wind is blowing and I include myself in that. The current favourite is certainly a name from left field, but would his appointment REALLY indicate we've 'failed' to attract a high calibre manager as some have suggested in the last 24 hours? People's opinion is naturally subjective and, as fans, based largely on an irrational knee jerk reaction rather than deeper fact. But with Hyppia having played for ten years in the division we aspire to, represented his country over a hundred times and respectably managed a decent side in the Bundesliga for 18 months, he surely has on that basis, far better credentials than Tim Sherwood and Brian McDermott for starters. Then again, people will say Sherwood did well at Spurs and McDermoot took Reading up so they have other attributes. The argument becomes almost infinite. Chris Hughton clearly has more managerial experience, but do his results back that up against Hyppia? It's that level of detail the board will be looking at when they consider their options. Who is best in this area? Is there someone we can talk to about him? This guy feels a better fit in terms of playing style, but he's inexperienced.. So my point is this..... Rather than suggesting the potential appointment of Hyppia means we've failed, perhaps it actually means we've been comprehensive in our due diligence? Just a thought....[/p][/quote]Morning , what experience does hyypia have of coaching in this country? Is he any better than jimmy case was ?[/p][/quote]On the basis of that direct comparison, at this moment the answer is no, but then again you could say the same about Gus's appointment given his previous lack of coaching experience. As I said previously, it's subjective and I understand why you're underwhelmed, but in answer to your point that he can't be any good because he hasn't been 'snapped up' by someone else, I'd say on that basis, we'd never be happy with anyone who takes the job. My point is that perhaps - just perhaps - they've uncovered a decent operator. I don't know that for certain and by Christmas we could all be lamenting the decision. (if it transpires) And yes, he could be the only bloke prepared to work under what appears to be a cast-iron set up and do as he's told... No-one comes with guarantees, but sometimes the obvious answers aren't the right ones. If he's appointed, the opinion's will ebb and flow until we've played a few games. Gotta love football![/p][/quote]Gus poyet has coaching and was assistant manager at Leeds and spurs before becoming the albions manager.. You should read the independent article ( search hyypia coaching qualifications) it appears he was dressing room motivator with a qualified coach , he then became manager and appointed two coaches to work with the players, there is a hint on another thread on that search he is not a qualified coach? Which means if he is not coaching or is going to sign his own players what exactly will he bring? Motivational speeches only work when players listen , looks like jones is being promoted to me.[/p][/quote]My point about Gus was that he wasn't previously a manager. You're clearly not sold on Hyppia which is fine and like anyone with a strong opinion, you can find information and theory to back your argument. In truth, I'm not entirely convinced, but I'm rather more inclined to wait and see because there's no way of knowing the full story. I'm merely suggesting our lot may have done a bit more work than some are prepared to admit.[/p][/quote]But he is not a coach, OG and Gus are qualified A badge material, Hyypia and jones is my bet. Sherwood is a coach first and foremost , Houghton a coach . Clarke a coach . Hyypia is a manager? That's my point unless we are changing and the DOF is going , what will hyypia do for his money?[/p][/quote]Pout? pte
  • Score: -2

11:47am Wed 4 Jun 14

Oscar's Chin says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
I posted this on the old story minutes before this one appeared......

It's amazing how opinion can change depending on which way the wind is blowing and I include myself in that.
The current favourite is certainly a name from left field, but would his appointment REALLY indicate we've 'failed' to attract a high calibre manager as some have suggested in the last 24 hours?
People's opinion is naturally subjective and, as fans, based largely on an irrational knee jerk reaction rather than deeper fact.
But with Hyppia having played for ten years in the division we aspire to, represented his country over a hundred times and respectably managed a decent side in the Bundesliga for 18 months, he surely has on that basis, far better credentials than Tim Sherwood and Brian McDermott for starters. Then again, people will say Sherwood did well at Spurs and McDermoot took Reading up so they have other attributes. The argument becomes almost infinite.
Chris Hughton clearly has more managerial experience, but do his results back that up against Hyppia? It's that level of detail the board will be looking at when they consider their options. Who is best in this area? Is there someone we can talk to about him? This guy feels a better fit in terms of playing style, but he's inexperienced..
So my point is this..... Rather than suggesting the potential appointment of Hyppia means we've failed, perhaps it actually means we've been comprehensive in our due diligence?
Just a thought....
Morning , what experience does hyypia have of coaching in this country?
Is he any better than jimmy case was ?
On the basis of that direct comparison, at this moment the answer is no, but then again you could say the same about Gus's appointment given his previous lack of coaching experience.
As I said previously, it's subjective and I understand why you're underwhelmed, but in answer to your point that he can't be any good because he hasn't been 'snapped up' by someone else, I'd say on that basis, we'd never be happy with anyone who takes the job.
My point is that perhaps - just perhaps - they've uncovered a decent operator. I don't know that for certain and by Christmas we could all be lamenting the decision. (if it transpires) And yes, he could be the only bloke prepared to work under what appears to be a cast-iron set up and do as he's told...
No-one comes with guarantees, but sometimes the obvious answers aren't the right ones. If he's appointed, the opinion's will ebb and flow until we've played a few games. Gotta love football!
Good postings, fella!
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: I posted this on the old story minutes before this one appeared...... It's amazing how opinion can change depending on which way the wind is blowing and I include myself in that. The current favourite is certainly a name from left field, but would his appointment REALLY indicate we've 'failed' to attract a high calibre manager as some have suggested in the last 24 hours? People's opinion is naturally subjective and, as fans, based largely on an irrational knee jerk reaction rather than deeper fact. But with Hyppia having played for ten years in the division we aspire to, represented his country over a hundred times and respectably managed a decent side in the Bundesliga for 18 months, he surely has on that basis, far better credentials than Tim Sherwood and Brian McDermott for starters. Then again, people will say Sherwood did well at Spurs and McDermoot took Reading up so they have other attributes. The argument becomes almost infinite. Chris Hughton clearly has more managerial experience, but do his results back that up against Hyppia? It's that level of detail the board will be looking at when they consider their options. Who is best in this area? Is there someone we can talk to about him? This guy feels a better fit in terms of playing style, but he's inexperienced.. So my point is this..... Rather than suggesting the potential appointment of Hyppia means we've failed, perhaps it actually means we've been comprehensive in our due diligence? Just a thought....[/p][/quote]Morning , what experience does hyypia have of coaching in this country? Is he any better than jimmy case was ?[/p][/quote]On the basis of that direct comparison, at this moment the answer is no, but then again you could say the same about Gus's appointment given his previous lack of coaching experience. As I said previously, it's subjective and I understand why you're underwhelmed, but in answer to your point that he can't be any good because he hasn't been 'snapped up' by someone else, I'd say on that basis, we'd never be happy with anyone who takes the job. My point is that perhaps - just perhaps - they've uncovered a decent operator. I don't know that for certain and by Christmas we could all be lamenting the decision. (if it transpires) And yes, he could be the only bloke prepared to work under what appears to be a cast-iron set up and do as he's told... No-one comes with guarantees, but sometimes the obvious answers aren't the right ones. If he's appointed, the opinion's will ebb and flow until we've played a few games. Gotta love football![/p][/quote]Good postings, fella! Oscar's Chin
  • Score: 2

11:55am Wed 4 Jun 14

Oscar's Chin says...

East of CrawleyDown wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
I posted this on the old story minutes before this one appeared......

It's amazing how opinion can change depending on which way the wind is blowing and I include myself in that.
The current favourite is certainly a name from left field, but would his appointment REALLY indicate we've 'failed' to attract a high calibre manager as some have suggested in the last 24 hours?
People's opinion is naturally subjective and, as fans, based largely on an irrational knee jerk reaction rather than deeper fact.
But with Hyppia having played for ten years in the division we aspire to, represented his country over a hundred times and respectably managed a decent side in the Bundesliga for 18 months, he surely has on that basis, far better credentials than Tim Sherwood and Brian McDermott for starters. Then again, people will say Sherwood did well at Spurs and McDermoot took Reading up so they have other attributes. The argument becomes almost infinite.
Chris Hughton clearly has more managerial experience, but do his results back that up against Hyppia? It's that level of detail the board will be looking at when they consider their options. Who is best in this area? Is there someone we can talk to about him? This guy feels a better fit in terms of playing style, but he's inexperienced..
So my point is this..... Rather than suggesting the potential appointment of Hyppia means we've failed, perhaps it actually means we've been comprehensive in our due diligence?
Just a thought....
It's a bit strange that weeks after being told there was a list of high calibre candidates- and we know there are some very experienced managers available who have been highly successful in the championship- we are now looking at a bit of a wild card. Of course Hyypia could be dynamite, but a real gamble, Bloom the gambler appears to be doing the same with appointing a manager, this could be great or it could blow up in his face. If Hyypia is appointed as now looks likely then it's a big risk which would have been lessened by going for Mackay or Hughton, it seems like no real effort has been made to try and get them on board which is disappointing tbh.
Has it not occurred to you that we may have tried very hard to get them but to no avail? Both managers have reputations to think of and may have seen the Brighton job as a tricky challenge that they weren't convinced they could achieve or at least were worried of the consequences to coming up short?
[quote][p][bold]East of CrawleyDown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: I posted this on the old story minutes before this one appeared...... It's amazing how opinion can change depending on which way the wind is blowing and I include myself in that. The current favourite is certainly a name from left field, but would his appointment REALLY indicate we've 'failed' to attract a high calibre manager as some have suggested in the last 24 hours? People's opinion is naturally subjective and, as fans, based largely on an irrational knee jerk reaction rather than deeper fact. But with Hyppia having played for ten years in the division we aspire to, represented his country over a hundred times and respectably managed a decent side in the Bundesliga for 18 months, he surely has on that basis, far better credentials than Tim Sherwood and Brian McDermott for starters. Then again, people will say Sherwood did well at Spurs and McDermoot took Reading up so they have other attributes. The argument becomes almost infinite. Chris Hughton clearly has more managerial experience, but do his results back that up against Hyppia? It's that level of detail the board will be looking at when they consider their options. Who is best in this area? Is there someone we can talk to about him? This guy feels a better fit in terms of playing style, but he's inexperienced.. So my point is this..... Rather than suggesting the potential appointment of Hyppia means we've failed, perhaps it actually means we've been comprehensive in our due diligence? Just a thought....[/p][/quote]It's a bit strange that weeks after being told there was a list of high calibre candidates- and we know there are some very experienced managers available who have been highly successful in the championship- we are now looking at a bit of a wild card. Of course Hyypia could be dynamite, but a real gamble, Bloom the gambler appears to be doing the same with appointing a manager, this could be great or it could blow up in his face. If Hyypia is appointed as now looks likely then it's a big risk which would have been lessened by going for Mackay or Hughton, it seems like no real effort has been made to try and get them on board which is disappointing tbh.[/p][/quote]Has it not occurred to you that we may have tried very hard to get them but to no avail? Both managers have reputations to think of and may have seen the Brighton job as a tricky challenge that they weren't convinced they could achieve or at least were worried of the consequences to coming up short? Oscar's Chin
  • Score: 4

12:17pm Wed 4 Jun 14

Oscar's Chin says...

ringtone wrote:
skylight wrote:
Why does he remind me of Ole Gunnar Solskaer ?
Success "over there" is not always repeated here...but who knows?
Whoever we get , we will support the team . There must be a myriad of factors to consider and, rightly, they are not all public.
I didnt realise the Norwegian and German leagues had merged.

Mind you, there is not a lot difference in quality between the two, LOL.
Erm, yes, yes there is. Think Championship vs Scottish League Two.
[quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]skylight[/bold] wrote: Why does he remind me of Ole Gunnar Solskaer ? Success "over there" is not always repeated here...but who knows? Whoever we get , we will support the team . There must be a myriad of factors to consider and, rightly, they are not all public.[/p][/quote]I didnt realise the Norwegian and German leagues had merged. Mind you, there is not a lot difference in quality between the two, LOL.[/p][/quote]Erm, yes, yes there is. Think Championship vs Scottish League Two. Oscar's Chin
  • Score: 2

1:36pm Wed 4 Jun 14

Aye Aye says...

Taking a leaf out of Andy Murray's book (potentially), I'm surprised that Hope Powell hasn't had a mention here!

For those who don't get irony at the first pass, my tongue is firmly in my cheek (I think!)
Taking a leaf out of Andy Murray's book (potentially), I'm surprised that Hope Powell hasn't had a mention here! For those who don't get irony at the first pass, my tongue is firmly in my cheek (I think!) Aye Aye
  • Score: 2

1:41pm Wed 4 Jun 14

pjwilk says...

Dont think Brighton know if they want a coach or a manager,or an Engishman or a Foreigner ,a strong man or a yes man.Seems they are so bogged down they cant think clearly.Just get a proper strong Manager and sack Burke and Barber.Also add Dean Wilkins as coach.
Dont think Brighton know if they want a coach or a manager,or an Engishman or a Foreigner ,a strong man or a yes man.Seems they are so bogged down they cant think clearly.Just get a proper strong Manager and sack Burke and Barber.Also add Dean Wilkins as coach. pjwilk
  • Score: -3

1:42pm Wed 4 Jun 14

VegasSeagull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Hardly a ringing endorsement , if he did such a great job, why was he not snapped in Germany by people who saw him operate?
This guy can't be one of the outstanding candidates in my opinion, he has no coaching or management experience in the uk , had he played 500 games for west brom would that make him a better or worse candidate?
I sense this is the guy prepared to take the job whatever .
I feel his announcement will include jones moving to a contact between the suits and the manager .. This will be to help communications,
I will no doubt be told I am half empty glass , but I don't buy into this appointment, 3 weeks ago we has high calibre candidates? If hyypia is the best who else wanted it? Sherwood turned it down, and I can only think others too.
Mark we are Brighton, a championship division club with a champ div squad who happen to have premier division facilities and prem div gate numbers, and in the 12/13 season we lost 14 million quid.
Saying that this or that guy is not good enough for us might be seen as a tad cheeky, it just might be that we are not good enough for them.

Last season we sold players, and it seems that we didn't spend all that we could have so I guess there is money in the bank, but a portion of that money needs to stay in the bank, because when ever we do break out an really go for promotion, we are going to have to finance that move for the top.
The FFP requires us to get to break even, and we will, but if we then went out and spent double figure millions to make a challenge would we not then be back to being millions in debt, a challenge for the top has no gaurentee of being successful. Money in the bank could mean that we can finance that drive without debt. The, 'one year,' push is an option, but so is building over 2 or 3 years.

Finding a manager who will go along with the softly softly approach is going to be a tough task, the better qualified just might not see that as a good move for them, put another way, they might not see us as good enough to allow them to reach their own goals and they don't want to be a part of a long term plan.

Hyypia may not tick all the boxes, others might tick more and one or two tick them all, but if these guys don't think we are good enough then the Hyypia's of this world must become out target. High calibre options is relative to who we are, and we are a champ div club with a champ div squad and champ div debt who happen to have prem div facilities.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Hardly a ringing endorsement , if he did such a great job, why was he not snapped in Germany by people who saw him operate? This guy can't be one of the outstanding candidates in my opinion, he has no coaching or management experience in the uk , had he played 500 games for west brom would that make him a better or worse candidate? I sense this is the guy prepared to take the job whatever . I feel his announcement will include jones moving to a contact between the suits and the manager .. This will be to help communications, I will no doubt be told I am half empty glass , but I don't buy into this appointment, 3 weeks ago we has high calibre candidates? If hyypia is the best who else wanted it? Sherwood turned it down, and I can only think others too.[/p][/quote]Mark we are Brighton, a championship division club with a champ div squad who happen to have premier division facilities and prem div gate numbers, and in the 12/13 season we lost 14 million quid. Saying that this or that guy is not good enough for us might be seen as a tad cheeky, it just might be that we are not good enough for them. Last season we sold players, and it seems that we didn't spend all that we could have so I guess there is money in the bank, but a portion of that money needs to stay in the bank, because when ever we do break out an really go for promotion, we are going to have to finance that move for the top. The FFP requires us to get to break even, and we will, but if we then went out and spent double figure millions to make a challenge would we not then be back to being millions in debt, a challenge for the top has no gaurentee of being successful. Money in the bank could mean that we can finance that drive without debt. The, 'one year,' push is an option, but so is building over 2 or 3 years. Finding a manager who will go along with the softly softly approach is going to be a tough task, the better qualified just might not see that as a good move for them, put another way, they might not see us as good enough to allow them to reach their own goals and they don't want to be a part of a long term plan. Hyypia may not tick all the boxes, others might tick more and one or two tick them all, but if these guys don't think we are good enough then the Hyypia's of this world must become out target. High calibre options is relative to who we are, and we are a champ div club with a champ div squad and champ div debt who happen to have prem div facilities. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 7

3:04pm Wed 4 Jun 14

Oscar's Chin says...

pjwilk wrote:
Dont think Brighton know if they want a coach or a manager,or an Engishman or a Foreigner ,a strong man or a yes man.Seems they are so bogged down they cant think clearly.Just get a proper strong Manager and sack Burke and Barber.Also add Dean Wilkins as coach.
"Seems"....from the depths of your mind. The reality I'm sure is very different old chum!
[quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: Dont think Brighton know if they want a coach or a manager,or an Engishman or a Foreigner ,a strong man or a yes man.Seems they are so bogged down they cant think clearly.Just get a proper strong Manager and sack Burke and Barber.Also add Dean Wilkins as coach.[/p][/quote]"Seems"....from the depths of your mind. The reality I'm sure is very different old chum! Oscar's Chin
  • Score: 2

4:24pm Wed 4 Jun 14

ballantrrae says...

BREAKING NEWS
Just been on the club website and it 'flashed up' the news that Juan and Ruben Oscar's two Spanish assistants have left the club. I imagine they will be joining Oscar at Maccabi.
This makes things simpler for whoever comes in to bring in his own team. Of course that still leaves Nathan Jones in situ.
Good to see something happening. Now all we need s to hear who TB is going to appoint as Oscar's successor. UTA.
BREAKING NEWS Just been on the club website and it 'flashed up' the news that Juan and Ruben Oscar's two Spanish assistants have left the club. I imagine they will be joining Oscar at Maccabi. This makes things simpler for whoever comes in to bring in his own team. Of course that still leaves Nathan Jones in situ. Good to see something happening. Now all we need s to hear who TB is going to appoint as Oscar's successor. UTA. ballantrrae
  • Score: 1

4:46pm Wed 4 Jun 14

mark by the sea says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Hardly a ringing endorsement , if he did such a great job, why was he not snapped in Germany by people who saw him operate?
This guy can't be one of the outstanding candidates in my opinion, he has no coaching or management experience in the uk , had he played 500 games for west brom would that make him a better or worse candidate?
I sense this is the guy prepared to take the job whatever .
I feel his announcement will include jones moving to a contact between the suits and the manager .. This will be to help communications,
I will no doubt be told I am half empty glass , but I don't buy into this appointment, 3 weeks ago we has high calibre candidates? If hyypia is the best who else wanted it? Sherwood turned it down, and I can only think others too.
Mark we are Brighton, a championship division club with a champ div squad who happen to have premier division facilities and prem div gate numbers, and in the 12/13 season we lost 14 million quid.
Saying that this or that guy is not good enough for us might be seen as a tad cheeky, it just might be that we are not good enough for them.

Last season we sold players, and it seems that we didn't spend all that we could have so I guess there is money in the bank, but a portion of that money needs to stay in the bank, because when ever we do break out an really go for promotion, we are going to have to finance that move for the top.
The FFP requires us to get to break even, and we will, but if we then went out and spent double figure millions to make a challenge would we not then be back to being millions in debt, a challenge for the top has no gaurentee of being successful. Money in the bank could mean that we can finance that drive without debt. The, 'one year,' push is an option, but so is building over 2 or 3 years.

Finding a manager who will go along with the softly softly approach is going to be a tough task, the better qualified just might not see that as a good move for them, put another way, they might not see us as good enough to allow them to reach their own goals and they don't want to be a part of a long term plan.

Hyypia may not tick all the boxes, others might tick more and one or two tick them all, but if these guys don't think we are good enough then the Hyypia's of this world must become out target. High calibre options is relative to who we are, and we are a champ div club with a champ div squad and champ div debt who happen to have prem div facilities.
Hmmm you clearly have reached the clubs ceiling! Let's accept a manager who wants us! Sorry we need ambition, and more importantly someone to lead this club forward .
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Hardly a ringing endorsement , if he did such a great job, why was he not snapped in Germany by people who saw him operate? This guy can't be one of the outstanding candidates in my opinion, he has no coaching or management experience in the uk , had he played 500 games for west brom would that make him a better or worse candidate? I sense this is the guy prepared to take the job whatever . I feel his announcement will include jones moving to a contact between the suits and the manager .. This will be to help communications, I will no doubt be told I am half empty glass , but I don't buy into this appointment, 3 weeks ago we has high calibre candidates? If hyypia is the best who else wanted it? Sherwood turned it down, and I can only think others too.[/p][/quote]Mark we are Brighton, a championship division club with a champ div squad who happen to have premier division facilities and prem div gate numbers, and in the 12/13 season we lost 14 million quid. Saying that this or that guy is not good enough for us might be seen as a tad cheeky, it just might be that we are not good enough for them. Last season we sold players, and it seems that we didn't spend all that we could have so I guess there is money in the bank, but a portion of that money needs to stay in the bank, because when ever we do break out an really go for promotion, we are going to have to finance that move for the top. The FFP requires us to get to break even, and we will, but if we then went out and spent double figure millions to make a challenge would we not then be back to being millions in debt, a challenge for the top has no gaurentee of being successful. Money in the bank could mean that we can finance that drive without debt. The, 'one year,' push is an option, but so is building over 2 or 3 years. Finding a manager who will go along with the softly softly approach is going to be a tough task, the better qualified just might not see that as a good move for them, put another way, they might not see us as good enough to allow them to reach their own goals and they don't want to be a part of a long term plan. Hyypia may not tick all the boxes, others might tick more and one or two tick them all, but if these guys don't think we are good enough then the Hyypia's of this world must become out target. High calibre options is relative to who we are, and we are a champ div club with a champ div squad and champ div debt who happen to have prem div facilities.[/p][/quote]Hmmm you clearly have reached the clubs ceiling! Let's accept a manager who wants us! Sorry we need ambition, and more importantly someone to lead this club forward . mark by the sea
  • Score: 0

5:05pm Wed 4 Jun 14

Captain Haddock says...

Am hearing rumblings that a decision has been reached and will be announced sometime in the next 24 hours. Comes from a mate who is tight with a well known staff member fairly high up the rankings.

Identity of Oscar's successor not specified (infuriatingly but unsurprisingly).

His info can often be inconsistent but bang on more often than not.
Am hearing rumblings that a decision has been reached and will be announced sometime in the next 24 hours. Comes from a mate who is tight with a well known staff member fairly high up the rankings. Identity of Oscar's successor not specified (infuriatingly but unsurprisingly). His info can often be inconsistent but bang on more often than not. Captain Haddock
  • Score: 2

5:06pm Wed 4 Jun 14

Captain Haddock says...

I guess it ties in with news of backroom releases Ballantrrae mentions.
I guess it ties in with news of backroom releases Ballantrrae mentions. Captain Haddock
  • Score: 0

6:11pm Wed 4 Jun 14

Tony the tiger eastbourne says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Hardly a ringing endorsement , if he did such a great job, why was he not snapped in Germany by people who saw him operate?
This guy can't be one of the outstanding candidates in my opinion, he has no coaching or management experience in the uk , had he played 500 games for west brom would that make him a better or worse candidate?
I sense this is the guy prepared to take the job whatever .
I feel his announcement will include jones moving to a contact between the suits and the manager .. This will be to help communications,
I will no doubt be told I am half empty glass , but I don't buy into this appointment, 3 weeks ago we has high calibre candidates? If hyypia is the best who else wanted it? Sherwood turned it down, and I can only think others too.
MBTS, most of your comments seem quite controversial on here, and you always get the thumbs down. Take a note son!! It seems your comments mean diddly sqote to most people. I think you only come on here to wind people up. Keep your comments to yourself
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Hardly a ringing endorsement , if he did such a great job, why was he not snapped in Germany by people who saw him operate? This guy can't be one of the outstanding candidates in my opinion, he has no coaching or management experience in the uk , had he played 500 games for west brom would that make him a better or worse candidate? I sense this is the guy prepared to take the job whatever . I feel his announcement will include jones moving to a contact between the suits and the manager .. This will be to help communications, I will no doubt be told I am half empty glass , but I don't buy into this appointment, 3 weeks ago we has high calibre candidates? If hyypia is the best who else wanted it? Sherwood turned it down, and I can only think others too.[/p][/quote]MBTS, most of your comments seem quite controversial on here, and you always get the thumbs down. Take a note son!! It seems your comments mean diddly sqote to most people. I think you only come on here to wind people up. Keep your comments to yourself Tony the tiger eastbourne
  • Score: 2

6:34pm Wed 4 Jun 14

gordongull says...

Tony the tiger eastbourne wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Hardly a ringing endorsement , if he did such a great job, why was he not snapped in Germany by people who saw him operate?
This guy can't be one of the outstanding candidates in my opinion, he has no coaching or management experience in the uk , had he played 500 games for west brom would that make him a better or worse candidate?
I sense this is the guy prepared to take the job whatever .
I feel his announcement will include jones moving to a contact between the suits and the manager .. This will be to help communications,
I will no doubt be told I am half empty glass , but I don't buy into this appointment, 3 weeks ago we has high calibre candidates? If hyypia is the best who else wanted it? Sherwood turned it down, and I can only think others too.
MBTS, most of your comments seem quite controversial on here, and you always get the thumbs down. Take a note son!! It seems your comments mean diddly sqote to most people. I think you only come on here to wind people up. Keep your comments to yourself
On the contrary, Tony the tiger, Mark is one of the few posters on here with a talent for cutting through the bull****. His contributions to the site are usually thought-provoking, and informative, even if the fine detail is not always of a precise nature.
He might get a lot of thumbs-down, but I wouldn't mind betting that his comments are viewed with interest by the vast majority of readers.
[quote][p][bold]Tony the tiger eastbourne[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Hardly a ringing endorsement , if he did such a great job, why was he not snapped in Germany by people who saw him operate? This guy can't be one of the outstanding candidates in my opinion, he has no coaching or management experience in the uk , had he played 500 games for west brom would that make him a better or worse candidate? I sense this is the guy prepared to take the job whatever . I feel his announcement will include jones moving to a contact between the suits and the manager .. This will be to help communications, I will no doubt be told I am half empty glass , but I don't buy into this appointment, 3 weeks ago we has high calibre candidates? If hyypia is the best who else wanted it? Sherwood turned it down, and I can only think others too.[/p][/quote]MBTS, most of your comments seem quite controversial on here, and you always get the thumbs down. Take a note son!! It seems your comments mean diddly sqote to most people. I think you only come on here to wind people up. Keep your comments to yourself[/p][/quote]On the contrary, Tony the tiger, Mark is one of the few posters on here with a talent for cutting through the bull****. His contributions to the site are usually thought-provoking, and informative, even if the fine detail is not always of a precise nature. He might get a lot of thumbs-down, but I wouldn't mind betting that his comments are viewed with interest by the vast majority of readers. gordongull
  • Score: -3

6:51pm Wed 4 Jun 14

Tony the tiger eastbourne says...

gordongull wrote:
Tony the tiger eastbourne wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Hardly a ringing endorsement , if he did such a great job, why was he not snapped in Germany by people who saw him operate?
This guy can't be one of the outstanding candidates in my opinion, he has no coaching or management experience in the uk , had he played 500 games for west brom would that make him a better or worse candidate?
I sense this is the guy prepared to take the job whatever .
I feel his announcement will include jones moving to a contact between the suits and the manager .. This will be to help communications,
I will no doubt be told I am half empty glass , but I don't buy into this appointment, 3 weeks ago we has high calibre candidates? If hyypia is the best who else wanted it? Sherwood turned it down, and I can only think others too.
MBTS, most of your comments seem quite controversial on here, and you always get the thumbs down. Take a note son!! It seems your comments mean diddly sqote to most people. I think you only come on here to wind people up. Keep your comments to yourself
On the contrary, Tony the tiger, Mark is one of the few posters on here with a talent for cutting through the bull****. His contributions to the site are usually thought-provoking, and informative, even if the fine detail is not always of a precise nature.
He might get a lot of thumbs-down, but I wouldn't mind betting that his comments are viewed with interest by the vast majority of readers.
Fair comment!!
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tony the tiger eastbourne[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Hardly a ringing endorsement , if he did such a great job, why was he not snapped in Germany by people who saw him operate? This guy can't be one of the outstanding candidates in my opinion, he has no coaching or management experience in the uk , had he played 500 games for west brom would that make him a better or worse candidate? I sense this is the guy prepared to take the job whatever . I feel his announcement will include jones moving to a contact between the suits and the manager .. This will be to help communications, I will no doubt be told I am half empty glass , but I don't buy into this appointment, 3 weeks ago we has high calibre candidates? If hyypia is the best who else wanted it? Sherwood turned it down, and I can only think others too.[/p][/quote]MBTS, most of your comments seem quite controversial on here, and you always get the thumbs down. Take a note son!! It seems your comments mean diddly sqote to most people. I think you only come on here to wind people up. Keep your comments to yourself[/p][/quote]On the contrary, Tony the tiger, Mark is one of the few posters on here with a talent for cutting through the bull****. His contributions to the site are usually thought-provoking, and informative, even if the fine detail is not always of a precise nature. He might get a lot of thumbs-down, but I wouldn't mind betting that his comments are viewed with interest by the vast majority of readers.[/p][/quote]Fair comment!! Tony the tiger eastbourne
  • Score: 0

7:25pm Wed 4 Jun 14

VegasSeagull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Hardly a ringing endorsement , if he did such a great job, why was he not snapped in Germany by people who saw him operate?
This guy can't be one of the outstanding candidates in my opinion, he has no coaching or management experience in the uk , had he played 500 games for west brom would that make him a better or worse candidate?
I sense this is the guy prepared to take the job whatever .
I feel his announcement will include jones moving to a contact between the suits and the manager .. This will be to help communications,
I will no doubt be told I am half empty glass , but I don't buy into this appointment, 3 weeks ago we has high calibre candidates? If hyypia is the best who else wanted it? Sherwood turned it down, and I can only think others too.
Mark we are Brighton, a championship division club with a champ div squad who happen to have premier division facilities and prem div gate numbers, and in the 12/13 season we lost 14 million quid.
Saying that this or that guy is not good enough for us might be seen as a tad cheeky, it just might be that we are not good enough for them.

Last season we sold players, and it seems that we didn't spend all that we could have so I guess there is money in the bank, but a portion of that money needs to stay in the bank, because when ever we do break out an really go for promotion, we are going to have to finance that move for the top.
The FFP requires us to get to break even, and we will, but if we then went out and spent double figure millions to make a challenge would we not then be back to being millions in debt, a challenge for the top has no gaurentee of being successful. Money in the bank could mean that we can finance that drive without debt. The, 'one year,' push is an option, but so is building over 2 or 3 years.

Finding a manager who will go along with the softly softly approach is going to be a tough task, the better qualified just might not see that as a good move for them, put another way, they might not see us as good enough to allow them to reach their own goals and they don't want to be a part of a long term plan.

Hyypia may not tick all the boxes, others might tick more and one or two tick them all, but if these guys don't think we are good enough then the Hyypia's of this world must become out target. High calibre options is relative to who we are, and we are a champ div club with a champ div squad and champ div debt who happen to have prem div facilities.
Hmmm you clearly have reached the clubs ceiling! Let's accept a manager who wants us! Sorry we need ambition, and more importantly someone to lead this club forward .
why the heck wouldn't we accept a manager that wants us, are you suggesting we take one on that really doesn't want to be at Brighton, someone who see us as nothing more than a stop gap untill he gets the job he truly wants?
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Hardly a ringing endorsement , if he did such a great job, why was he not snapped in Germany by people who saw him operate? This guy can't be one of the outstanding candidates in my opinion, he has no coaching or management experience in the uk , had he played 500 games for west brom would that make him a better or worse candidate? I sense this is the guy prepared to take the job whatever . I feel his announcement will include jones moving to a contact between the suits and the manager .. This will be to help communications, I will no doubt be told I am half empty glass , but I don't buy into this appointment, 3 weeks ago we has high calibre candidates? If hyypia is the best who else wanted it? Sherwood turned it down, and I can only think others too.[/p][/quote]Mark we are Brighton, a championship division club with a champ div squad who happen to have premier division facilities and prem div gate numbers, and in the 12/13 season we lost 14 million quid. Saying that this or that guy is not good enough for us might be seen as a tad cheeky, it just might be that we are not good enough for them. Last season we sold players, and it seems that we didn't spend all that we could have so I guess there is money in the bank, but a portion of that money needs to stay in the bank, because when ever we do break out an really go for promotion, we are going to have to finance that move for the top. The FFP requires us to get to break even, and we will, but if we then went out and spent double figure millions to make a challenge would we not then be back to being millions in debt, a challenge for the top has no gaurentee of being successful. Money in the bank could mean that we can finance that drive without debt. The, 'one year,' push is an option, but so is building over 2 or 3 years. Finding a manager who will go along with the softly softly approach is going to be a tough task, the better qualified just might not see that as a good move for them, put another way, they might not see us as good enough to allow them to reach their own goals and they don't want to be a part of a long term plan. Hyypia may not tick all the boxes, others might tick more and one or two tick them all, but if these guys don't think we are good enough then the Hyypia's of this world must become out target. High calibre options is relative to who we are, and we are a champ div club with a champ div squad and champ div debt who happen to have prem div facilities.[/p][/quote]Hmmm you clearly have reached the clubs ceiling! Let's accept a manager who wants us! Sorry we need ambition, and more importantly someone to lead this club forward .[/p][/quote]why the heck wouldn't we accept a manager that wants us, are you suggesting we take one on that really doesn't want to be at Brighton, someone who see us as nothing more than a stop gap untill he gets the job he truly wants? VegasSeagull
  • Score: 2

8:32pm Wed 4 Jun 14

driverchris53 says...

I can't believe all the negative comments I fully trust Tony Bloom to bring in the best possible manager.We have to accept we are not a big club and cannot compete in terms of money or the job offered .We wil probably never know if the job has been offered and rejected by anyone.We also have to accept as a club our long term future needs us to keep within our financial means.We will get to the Premier League one day;and need to be in a good position to exploit it .Hypia sounds like a good prospect.The only thing i am praying for is we find someone who will stay at least 2 seasons.The problem is if a manager does well he will attract bigger clubs.
I can't believe all the negative comments I fully trust Tony Bloom to bring in the best possible manager.We have to accept we are not a big club and cannot compete in terms of money or the job offered .We wil probably never know if the job has been offered and rejected by anyone.We also have to accept as a club our long term future needs us to keep within our financial means.We will get to the Premier League one day;and need to be in a good position to exploit it .Hypia sounds like a good prospect.The only thing i am praying for is we find someone who will stay at least 2 seasons.The problem is if a manager does well he will attract bigger clubs. driverchris53
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11:55pm Wed 4 Jun 14

OldGull says...

Why the negativity
Hyypia managed Leverkusen to a champions league position
Finishing 4th in the Bundesliga

4 Bayer Leverkusen 34 19 4 1
1 60 41 +19 61 2014
15 UEFA Champions League play-off round

Are all you negative souls claiming the Bundesliga is less demanding than the champioship?
Why the negativity Hyypia managed Leverkusen to a champions league position Finishing 4th in the Bundesliga 4 Bayer Leverkusen 34 19 4 1 1 60 41 +19 61 2014 15 UEFA Champions League play-off round Are all you negative souls claiming the Bundesliga is less demanding than the champioship? OldGull
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12:04am Thu 5 Jun 14

OldGull says...

ringtone wrote:
MrHove wrote:
I cant understand all the negative comments, he's being slated before he's even started.
Give the guy a chance!
As someone said above, hes managed in the champions league and the top flight in german football which has improved vastly over the last 3-4 years.
Whoever is appointed will have my support and the "fans" should get behind him.
Tony Bloom has the right to appoint who he feels is the best candidate, unless someone on here is prepared to pay the wages of their chosen one? thought not.
If the posters on here dont rate him then i would say that is a great sign that he would be a terrific appointment.

Twelve months ago this lot were acclaiming Oscar as potentially the greatest coach of all time.

Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect

And then do the opposite.
Save me , I think I agree with Ringtone
[quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrHove[/bold] wrote: I cant understand all the negative comments, he's being slated before he's even started. Give the guy a chance! As someone said above, hes managed in the champions league and the top flight in german football which has improved vastly over the last 3-4 years. Whoever is appointed will have my support and the "fans" should get behind him. Tony Bloom has the right to appoint who he feels is the best candidate, unless someone on here is prepared to pay the wages of their chosen one? thought not.[/p][/quote]If the posters on here dont rate him then i would say that is a great sign that he would be a terrific appointment. Twelve months ago this lot were acclaiming Oscar as potentially the greatest coach of all time. Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect And then do the opposite.[/p][/quote]Save me , I think I agree with Ringtone OldGull
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12:06am Thu 5 Jun 14

OldGull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
I need to clarify this..
Burke said a few weeks ago ' The new manager will have the same job as OG had, ' by this I assume a coaching roll rather than a manager,
Sami hyypia is not a coach! OG had many years experience in coaching has his A badge obviously...
If Sami is doing the same job,there abilities are miles apart?
I am not knocking him, but his cv is a gamble compared to Gus and OG .
How can picking someone who managed a team into a champions league slot in the Bundesliga be a gamble?
Would picking Arsene Wenger be a gamble?
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: I need to clarify this.. Burke said a few weeks ago ' The new manager will have the same job as OG had, ' by this I assume a coaching roll rather than a manager, Sami hyypia is not a coach! OG had many years experience in coaching has his A badge obviously... If Sami is doing the same job,there abilities are miles apart? I am not knocking him, but his cv is a gamble compared to Gus and OG .[/p][/quote]How can picking someone who managed a team into a champions league slot in the Bundesliga be a gamble? Would picking Arsene Wenger be a gamble? OldGull
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