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The Argus: Sami Hyypia will be more involved with the recruitment of players than he was in Germany Sami Hyypia will be more involved with the recruitment of players than he was in Germany

Albion boss Sami Hyypia is happy to have more of a say on player signings than he was allowed with Bayer Leverkusen.

But he is content to leave the background work on identifying targets to head of football David Burke and his scouting network.

Hyypia will have the power to approve or veto potential signings from lists compiled by Burke’s recruitment team, as well as making his own recommendations.

Communication breakdowns caused tensions in Albion’s recruitment policy when Oscar Garcia was in charge.

Hyypia, who has retained Oscar’s assistant Nathan Jones as first team coach, has already inherited one new face, Congolese midfielder Nzuzi Toko signed last month from Swiss side Grasshopper Zurich.

He said: “I think David Burke with Nathan and the whole scouting department have done already the kind of preparation where they acknowledge which positions we need some players.

“I’ve seen a few games from last season and I agree with them which positions we need. That’s very helpful for me that they have the positions and some options ready for me to choose as well. That helps us to get it done quickly and then make the right decision.

“In Germany a lot of clubs are making the decisions. I am pleased that when I came here I was asked first my opinion, then we do the decisions.”

Albion have been speculatively linked with Costa Rica’s World Cup defensive midfielder Yeltsin Tejeda, who will be facing England next week.

The Argus understands the club requested and were provided with details about the player two months ago but the extent of their interest in the player is unclear.

The Seagulls would face plenty of competition from at home and abroad for the 22-year-old Tejeda, who has two years remaining on his contract with Costa Rican champions Saprissa.

They turned down bids of around £600,000 for Tejeda from European clubs in January.

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5:24am Tue 17 Jun 14

the taffster says...

Here we go....hypia is employed as a yes man with little power to over rule or get in the players HE WANTS. Get out of the club Burke before you take us down...
Here we go....hypia is employed as a yes man with little power to over rule or get in the players HE WANTS. Get out of the club Burke before you take us down... the taffster
  • Score: -68

6:36am Tue 17 Jun 14

DougRouvie says...

the taffster wrote:
Here we go....hypia is employed as a yes man with little power to over rule or get in the players HE WANTS. Get out of the club Burke before you take us down...
Burke 'take us down'? Either Support the club in what they do or go find another which which wins week in week out. Burke has not done a bad job so far in my eyes, could be better, Could be worse. But im liking the clarity on who does what etc
[quote][p][bold]the taffster[/bold] wrote: Here we go....hypia is employed as a yes man with little power to over rule or get in the players HE WANTS. Get out of the club Burke before you take us down...[/p][/quote]Burke 'take us down'? Either Support the club in what they do or go find another which which wins week in week out. Burke has not done a bad job so far in my eyes, could be better, Could be worse. But im liking the clarity on who does what etc DougRouvie
  • Score: 44

6:36am Tue 17 Jun 14

B rian Tawses left foot says...

the taffster says...

Here we go....hypia is employed as a yes man with little power to over rule or get in the players HE WANTS. Get out of the club Burke before you take us down...

An ignorant, ill informed comment which is frankly insulting to the new manager. As he has only just arrived at the club one can only speculate as to why certain individuals on here are already taking pot shots at him.
How do you know that he is a 'yes man' ? Have you ever met him ? Do you think that Liverpool - one of England's finest clubs appointed as their club captain a craven, mindless individual with no personal resolve?
Honestly, some of the comments on here are made by people who are of low intelligence - or worse are trolls from Croydon. 'Taffsters' remarks suggest that he is both.
the taffster says... Here we go....hypia is employed as a yes man with little power to over rule or get in the players HE WANTS. Get out of the club Burke before you take us down... An ignorant, ill informed comment which is frankly insulting to the new manager. As he has only just arrived at the club one can only speculate as to why certain individuals on here are already taking pot shots at him. How do you know that he is a 'yes man' ? Have you ever met him ? Do you think that Liverpool - one of England's finest clubs appointed as their club captain a craven, mindless individual with no personal resolve? Honestly, some of the comments on here are made by people who are of low intelligence - or worse are trolls from Croydon. 'Taffsters' remarks suggest that he is both. B rian Tawses left foot
  • Score: 50

6:41am Tue 17 Jun 14

AlfieT says...

It would appear that he is to have minimal imput into player dealings, Sherwood,Hughton and co would have wanted much more influence into future signings, which is probably where their interest ended. Keep jones away from targeting players, Obika was one of the worst players I've seen in an Albion shirt.
It would appear that he is to have minimal imput into player dealings, Sherwood,Hughton and co would have wanted much more influence into future signings, which is probably where their interest ended. Keep jones away from targeting players, Obika was one of the worst players I've seen in an Albion shirt. AlfieT
  • Score: -30

7:35am Tue 17 Jun 14

bbb1969 says...

As long as Hyypia has a say in who we buy then that is ok but if he is presented with a handful of rubbish then hopefully he will not agree for the sake of covering a position.
Wonder what we are going to do with Kemmy; are we stuck with him or are the club going to work with him cos he was a great player and if he was playing near his best then I would love to see him oppening up the opposition
As long as Hyypia has a say in who we buy then that is ok but if he is presented with a handful of rubbish then hopefully he will not agree for the sake of covering a position. Wonder what we are going to do with Kemmy; are we stuck with him or are the club going to work with him cos he was a great player and if he was playing near his best then I would love to see him oppening up the opposition bbb1969
  • Score: 7

7:39am Tue 17 Jun 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Quote from the article:
"Hyypia will have the power to approve or veto potential signings from lists compiled by Burke’s recruitment team, as well as making his own recommendations."
I reproduce it in this comments section because some people must've missed it.....
Quote from the article: "Hyypia will have the power to approve or veto potential signings from lists compiled by Burke’s recruitment team, as well as making his own recommendations." I reproduce it in this comments section because some people must've missed it..... Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 27

7:42am Tue 17 Jun 14

gilbertthecat says...

Quote from the article for those that maybe didn't read it properly;

Hyypia will have the power to approve or veto potential signings from lists compiled by Burke’s recruitment team, as well as making his own recommendations.

Yes, it mentions Burke. No, it does not say Burke has full control. Actually it does say is that SH can 'approve' or 'veto' or make his own recommendations. Does anyone need the word 'veto' explained? Or do people really expect our manager to do everything without assistance from 'the suits' in a modern football club.

I think last season with OG Burke may have had more control. Certainly last seasons intake didn't prove much to write home about for sure, but I'm now thinking (hoping) that maybe the club has realised that after GP and OG they needed to change things a little in the recruitment department. I for one am quite willing to wait a while and see who comes and who goes on the playing front before I make any kind of judgement.
Quote from the article for those that maybe didn't read it properly; Hyypia will have the power to approve or veto potential signings from lists compiled by Burke’s recruitment team, as well as making his own recommendations. Yes, it mentions Burke. No, it does not say Burke has full control. Actually it does say is that SH can 'approve' or 'veto' or make his own recommendations. Does anyone need the word 'veto' explained? Or do people really expect our manager to do everything without assistance from 'the suits' in a modern football club. I think last season with OG Burke may have had more control. Certainly last seasons intake didn't prove much to write home about for sure, but I'm now thinking (hoping) that maybe the club has realised that after GP and OG they needed to change things a little in the recruitment department. I for one am quite willing to wait a while and see who comes and who goes on the playing front before I make any kind of judgement. gilbertthecat
  • Score: 13

7:44am Tue 17 Jun 14

gilbertthecat says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
Quote from the article:
"Hyypia will have the power to approve or veto potential signings from lists compiled by Burke’s recruitment team, as well as making his own recommendations."
I reproduce it in this comments section because some people must've missed it.....
AiS you beat me too it but wholeheartedly agree!
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Quote from the article: "Hyypia will have the power to approve or veto potential signings from lists compiled by Burke’s recruitment team, as well as making his own recommendations." I reproduce it in this comments section because some people must've missed it.....[/p][/quote]AiS you beat me too it but wholeheartedly agree! gilbertthecat
  • Score: 6

7:47am Tue 17 Jun 14

Albion In Staffs says...

gilbertthecat wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Quote from the article:
"Hyypia will have the power to approve or veto potential signings from lists compiled by Burke’s recruitment team, as well as making his own recommendations."
I reproduce it in this comments section because some people must've missed it.....
AiS you beat me too it but wholeheartedly agree!
Ha! He who dares Rodders!!
[quote][p][bold]gilbertthecat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Quote from the article: "Hyypia will have the power to approve or veto potential signings from lists compiled by Burke’s recruitment team, as well as making his own recommendations." I reproduce it in this comments section because some people must've missed it.....[/p][/quote]AiS you beat me too it but wholeheartedly agree![/p][/quote]Ha! He who dares Rodders!! Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 2

7:49am Tue 17 Jun 14

Albion fan in London says...

Not sure Burke is exactly going to take us down, a slightly drastic statement.
Its very clear our budget this season will be ok but not top half so we are going to have to buy shrewd and ensure the loanees we bring in are top notch. I will be amazed if we don't see a few fringe first team squad players coming down on loan from LFC eg Wisdom and Teixeira. I am sure we shall see a couple of new faces in by next week, times ticking!
Not sure Burke is exactly going to take us down, a slightly drastic statement. Its very clear our budget this season will be ok but not top half so we are going to have to buy shrewd and ensure the loanees we bring in are top notch. I will be amazed if we don't see a few fringe first team squad players coming down on loan from LFC eg Wisdom and Teixeira. I am sure we shall see a couple of new faces in by next week, times ticking! Albion fan in London
  • Score: 5

7:59am Tue 17 Jun 14

OldGull says...

AlfieT wrote:
It would appear that he is to have minimal imput into player dealings, Sherwood,Hughton and co would have wanted much more influence into future signings, which is probably where their interest ended. Keep jones away from targeting players, Obika was one of the worst players I've seen in an Albion shirt.
No worse than Paynter, who was brought in by Gus
Think you may find even Fergie signed a few dummies over the years
[quote][p][bold]AlfieT[/bold] wrote: It would appear that he is to have minimal imput into player dealings, Sherwood,Hughton and co would have wanted much more influence into future signings, which is probably where their interest ended. Keep jones away from targeting players, Obika was one of the worst players I've seen in an Albion shirt.[/p][/quote]No worse than Paynter, who was brought in by Gus Think you may find even Fergie signed a few dummies over the years OldGull
  • Score: 8

8:00am Tue 17 Jun 14

mark by the sea says...

Yes communication problems with OG , not sure how 6 players OG wanted were never approached by the Albion , we are now ten days away from pre season ,
This guy the Albion want to sign will have problems with a visa I would imagine?
Yes communication problems with OG , not sure how 6 players OG wanted were never approached by the Albion , we are now ten days away from pre season , This guy the Albion want to sign will have problems with a visa I would imagine? mark by the sea
  • Score: 2

8:00am Tue 17 Jun 14

Mayfield sweeper says...

There should be no Burke team input, too many cooks spoiling the broth at Albion. Let the manager do the job, it is all being done wrong.
There should be no Burke team input, too many cooks spoiling the broth at Albion. Let the manager do the job, it is all being done wrong. Mayfield sweeper
  • Score: -5

8:09am Tue 17 Jun 14

albionfan33 says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Yes communication problems with OG , not sure how 6 players OG wanted were never approached by the Albion , we are now ten days away from pre season ,
This guy the Albion want to sign will have problems with a visa I would imagine?
i dont think visas are so problematic when they play for there country?
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Yes communication problems with OG , not sure how 6 players OG wanted were never approached by the Albion , we are now ten days away from pre season , This guy the Albion want to sign will have problems with a visa I would imagine?[/p][/quote]i dont think visas are so problematic when they play for there country? albionfan33
  • Score: 2

8:18am Tue 17 Jun 14

pablobrowno says...

Reports appearing that Leo wants to leave and try to prove himself in the EPL. The selling fee will have to be very very good.

Sorry Leo you signed a 4.5 year contract!!
Reports appearing that Leo wants to leave and try to prove himself in the EPL. The selling fee will have to be very very good. Sorry Leo you signed a 4.5 year contract!! pablobrowno
  • Score: -1

8:23am Tue 17 Jun 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Mayfield sweeper wrote:
There should be no Burke team input, too many cooks spoiling the broth at Albion. Let the manager do the job, it is all being done wrong.
That's you're opinion, although i don't agree with it.
In the modern game, there is so much for the 'manager' to think about, support staff are an inevitable consequence.
In the past, you had a manager and a trainer and that was it. Now, you have an assistant, a first team coach, specialist coaches, physios, video analysts, agents and a growing preference for Directors Of Football.
It's all about sharing the load but in all cases of selection, our club has made it clear the manager has the casting vote AND the ability to select for himself.
Unless you want to go back to sheepskin coats, buckets of cold water and sponges, I really don't see the problem....
[quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: There should be no Burke team input, too many cooks spoiling the broth at Albion. Let the manager do the job, it is all being done wrong.[/p][/quote]That's you're opinion, although i don't agree with it. In the modern game, there is so much for the 'manager' to think about, support staff are an inevitable consequence. In the past, you had a manager and a trainer and that was it. Now, you have an assistant, a first team coach, specialist coaches, physios, video analysts, agents and a growing preference for Directors Of Football. It's all about sharing the load but in all cases of selection, our club has made it clear the manager has the casting vote AND the ability to select for himself. Unless you want to go back to sheepskin coats, buckets of cold water and sponges, I really don't see the problem.... Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 11

8:26am Tue 17 Jun 14

Albion In Staffs says...

pablobrowno wrote:
Reports appearing that Leo wants to leave and try to prove himself in the EPL. The selling fee will have to be very very good.

Sorry Leo you signed a 4.5 year contract!!
Given other comments on here, it's significant the report in The Mirror says he hasn't yet spoken to the manager. It doesn't say he hasn't yet spoken to the Director Of Football.
Just saying....
[quote][p][bold]pablobrowno[/bold] wrote: Reports appearing that Leo wants to leave and try to prove himself in the EPL. The selling fee will have to be very very good. Sorry Leo you signed a 4.5 year contract!![/p][/quote]Given other comments on here, it's significant the report in The Mirror says he hasn't yet spoken to the manager. It doesn't say he hasn't yet spoken to the Director Of Football. Just saying.... Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 3

8:32am Tue 17 Jun 14

Albion In Staffs says...

albionfan33 wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Yes communication problems with OG , not sure how 6 players OG wanted were never approached by the Albion , we are now ten days away from pre season ,
This guy the Albion want to sign will have problems with a visa I would imagine?
i dont think visas are so problematic when they play for there country?
I think the requirement is that non-EU players have to have played a minimum percentage of games for their country in a given period of time. Something like 75% over last two years. If we are genuinely interested, I'm sure that would be the first ting they'd check.....
[quote][p][bold]albionfan33[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Yes communication problems with OG , not sure how 6 players OG wanted were never approached by the Albion , we are now ten days away from pre season , This guy the Albion want to sign will have problems with a visa I would imagine?[/p][/quote]i dont think visas are so problematic when they play for there country?[/p][/quote]I think the requirement is that non-EU players have to have played a minimum percentage of games for their country in a given period of time. Something like 75% over last two years. If we are genuinely interested, I'm sure that would be the first ting they'd check..... Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 2

8:38am Tue 17 Jun 14

AlfieT says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Yes communication problems with OG , not sure how 6 players OG wanted were never approached by the Albion , we are now ten days away from pre season ,
This guy the Albion want to sign will have problems with a visa I would imagine?
It wasn't the lack of transfer cash that ended Oscars stay, clearly his preferred targets were ignored so he went back to Maccabi where he can make his own player decisions. Sean Dyche took Burnley up with less available cash than Oscar and Gus, fairly certain it was his contacts and hands on approach that got the job done.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Yes communication problems with OG , not sure how 6 players OG wanted were never approached by the Albion , we are now ten days away from pre season , This guy the Albion want to sign will have problems with a visa I would imagine?[/p][/quote]It wasn't the lack of transfer cash that ended Oscars stay, clearly his preferred targets were ignored so he went back to Maccabi where he can make his own player decisions. Sean Dyche took Burnley up with less available cash than Oscar and Gus, fairly certain it was his contacts and hands on approach that got the job done. AlfieT
  • Score: 6

8:40am Tue 17 Jun 14

Yogi says...

Ulloa - continued speculation that he wants to leave is a concern but if we get 8M it would be a useful amount for future players!
Ulloa - continued speculation that he wants to leave is a concern but if we get 8M it would be a useful amount for future players! Yogi
  • Score: 6

8:46am Tue 17 Jun 14

BigDGermany says...

Just wonder if Emre Can will make it directly into the team at Liverpool. If not....

Well, Brighton could be a perfect place for further development and this under the manager who made him a regular starter for Bayer 04 Leverkusen.
Just wonder if Emre Can will make it directly into the team at Liverpool. If not.... Well, Brighton could be a perfect place for further development and this under the manager who made him a regular starter for Bayer 04 Leverkusen. BigDGermany
  • Score: 5

9:02am Tue 17 Jun 14

Mayfield sweeper says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
There should be no Burke team input, too many cooks spoiling the broth at Albion. Let the manager do the job, it is all being done wrong.
That's you're opinion, although i don't agree with it.
In the modern game, there is so much for the 'manager' to think about, support staff are an inevitable consequence.
In the past, you had a manager and a trainer and that was it. Now, you have an assistant, a first team coach, specialist coaches, physios, video analysts, agents and a growing preference for Directors Of Football.
It's all about sharing the load but in all cases of selection, our club has made it clear the manager has the casting vote AND the ability to select for himself.
Unless you want to go back to sheepskin coats, buckets of cold water and sponges, I really don't see the problem....
Too many conflicting opinions between the staff leading to tensions and walkouts as per Gus and Oscar resulting in a indifferent team. The set up has been proven not to work and it is taking far too ling to sign players. Get rid of the set up all it needs is Sami and Nathan Jones, not a bunch of suits throwing spanners in the works. We are already missing out on signings while all this goes on.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: There should be no Burke team input, too many cooks spoiling the broth at Albion. Let the manager do the job, it is all being done wrong.[/p][/quote]That's you're opinion, although i don't agree with it. In the modern game, there is so much for the 'manager' to think about, support staff are an inevitable consequence. In the past, you had a manager and a trainer and that was it. Now, you have an assistant, a first team coach, specialist coaches, physios, video analysts, agents and a growing preference for Directors Of Football. It's all about sharing the load but in all cases of selection, our club has made it clear the manager has the casting vote AND the ability to select for himself. Unless you want to go back to sheepskin coats, buckets of cold water and sponges, I really don't see the problem....[/p][/quote]Too many conflicting opinions between the staff leading to tensions and walkouts as per Gus and Oscar resulting in a indifferent team. The set up has been proven not to work and it is taking far too ling to sign players. Get rid of the set up all it needs is Sami and Nathan Jones, not a bunch of suits throwing spanners in the works. We are already missing out on signings while all this goes on. Mayfield sweeper
  • Score: -16

9:15am Tue 17 Jun 14

gilbertthecat says...

Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
There should be no Burke team input, too many cooks spoiling the broth at Albion. Let the manager do the job, it is all being done wrong.
That's you're opinion, although i don't agree with it.
In the modern game, there is so much for the 'manager' to think about, support staff are an inevitable consequence.
In the past, you had a manager and a trainer and that was it. Now, you have an assistant, a first team coach, specialist coaches, physios, video analysts, agents and a growing preference for Directors Of Football.
It's all about sharing the load but in all cases of selection, our club has made it clear the manager has the casting vote AND the ability to select for himself.
Unless you want to go back to sheepskin coats, buckets of cold water and sponges, I really don't see the problem....
Too many conflicting opinions between the staff leading to tensions and walkouts as per Gus and Oscar resulting in a indifferent team. The set up has been proven not to work and it is taking far too ling to sign players. Get rid of the set up all it needs is Sami and Nathan Jones, not a bunch of suits throwing spanners in the works. We are already missing out on signings while all this goes on.
So top 6 for two seasons is because the system isn't working? If making the play-offs is failure then I say bring it on. There will always be things that can be done better and no doubt BHAFC are no different in that respect so of course they should keep looking at how to progress beyond the play-offs. That's what we all want. I'm bloody sure TB wants that and has a plan to do it which he will keep tweaking. One question though as I don't know how the other Champ sides are set up, are we that different in our set up to all those other clubs?
[quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: There should be no Burke team input, too many cooks spoiling the broth at Albion. Let the manager do the job, it is all being done wrong.[/p][/quote]That's you're opinion, although i don't agree with it. In the modern game, there is so much for the 'manager' to think about, support staff are an inevitable consequence. In the past, you had a manager and a trainer and that was it. Now, you have an assistant, a first team coach, specialist coaches, physios, video analysts, agents and a growing preference for Directors Of Football. It's all about sharing the load but in all cases of selection, our club has made it clear the manager has the casting vote AND the ability to select for himself. Unless you want to go back to sheepskin coats, buckets of cold water and sponges, I really don't see the problem....[/p][/quote]Too many conflicting opinions between the staff leading to tensions and walkouts as per Gus and Oscar resulting in a indifferent team. The set up has been proven not to work and it is taking far too ling to sign players. Get rid of the set up all it needs is Sami and Nathan Jones, not a bunch of suits throwing spanners in the works. We are already missing out on signings while all this goes on.[/p][/quote]So top 6 for two seasons is because the system isn't working? If making the play-offs is failure then I say bring it on. There will always be things that can be done better and no doubt BHAFC are no different in that respect so of course they should keep looking at how to progress beyond the play-offs. That's what we all want. I'm bloody sure TB wants that and has a plan to do it which he will keep tweaking. One question though as I don't know how the other Champ sides are set up, are we that different in our set up to all those other clubs? gilbertthecat
  • Score: 8

9:21am Tue 17 Jun 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
There should be no Burke team input, too many cooks spoiling the broth at Albion. Let the manager do the job, it is all being done wrong.
That's you're opinion, although i don't agree with it.
In the modern game, there is so much for the 'manager' to think about, support staff are an inevitable consequence.
In the past, you had a manager and a trainer and that was it. Now, you have an assistant, a first team coach, specialist coaches, physios, video analysts, agents and a growing preference for Directors Of Football.
It's all about sharing the load but in all cases of selection, our club has made it clear the manager has the casting vote AND the ability to select for himself.
Unless you want to go back to sheepskin coats, buckets of cold water and sponges, I really don't see the problem....
Too many conflicting opinions between the staff leading to tensions and walkouts as per Gus and Oscar resulting in a indifferent team. The set up has been proven not to work and it is taking far too ling to sign players. Get rid of the set up all it needs is Sami and Nathan Jones, not a bunch of suits throwing spanners in the works. We are already missing out on signings while all this goes on.
Two things:
How do you know suits are throwing spanners in the works?
In terms of signings, who have we missed out on?
[quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: There should be no Burke team input, too many cooks spoiling the broth at Albion. Let the manager do the job, it is all being done wrong.[/p][/quote]That's you're opinion, although i don't agree with it. In the modern game, there is so much for the 'manager' to think about, support staff are an inevitable consequence. In the past, you had a manager and a trainer and that was it. Now, you have an assistant, a first team coach, specialist coaches, physios, video analysts, agents and a growing preference for Directors Of Football. It's all about sharing the load but in all cases of selection, our club has made it clear the manager has the casting vote AND the ability to select for himself. Unless you want to go back to sheepskin coats, buckets of cold water and sponges, I really don't see the problem....[/p][/quote]Too many conflicting opinions between the staff leading to tensions and walkouts as per Gus and Oscar resulting in a indifferent team. The set up has been proven not to work and it is taking far too ling to sign players. Get rid of the set up all it needs is Sami and Nathan Jones, not a bunch of suits throwing spanners in the works. We are already missing out on signings while all this goes on.[/p][/quote]Two things: How do you know suits are throwing spanners in the works? In terms of signings, who have we missed out on? Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 9

9:42am Tue 17 Jun 14

Joel'sGrandad says...

Once again those of a negative persuasion are having their say about the way they perceive things are going to continue at the Albion.
The way I read it, everyone is pulling in the same direction and Sami will have just as much say in player recruitment as the DoF and no one will have overall control.
We'll just have to suck it and see won't we. Until it clearly doesn't work let's let them get on with it shall we.
There is a new season coming. Shouldn't we be looking forward to it in a positive way. I know I am. UTA
Once again those of a negative persuasion are having their say about the way they perceive things are going to continue at the Albion. The way I read it, everyone is pulling in the same direction and Sami will have just as much say in player recruitment as the DoF and no one will have overall control. We'll just have to suck it and see won't we. Until it clearly doesn't work let's let them get on with it shall we. There is a new season coming. Shouldn't we be looking forward to it in a positive way. I know I am. UTA Joel'sGrandad
  • Score: 14

9:48am Tue 17 Jun 14

gilbertthecat says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
There should be no Burke team input, too many cooks spoiling the broth at Albion. Let the manager do the job, it is all being done wrong.
That's you're opinion, although i don't agree with it.
In the modern game, there is so much for the 'manager' to think about, support staff are an inevitable consequence.
In the past, you had a manager and a trainer and that was it. Now, you have an assistant, a first team coach, specialist coaches, physios, video analysts, agents and a growing preference for Directors Of Football.
It's all about sharing the load but in all cases of selection, our club has made it clear the manager has the casting vote AND the ability to select for himself.
Unless you want to go back to sheepskin coats, buckets of cold water and sponges, I really don't see the problem....
Too many conflicting opinions between the staff leading to tensions and walkouts as per Gus and Oscar resulting in a indifferent team. The set up has been proven not to work and it is taking far too ling to sign players. Get rid of the set up all it needs is Sami and Nathan Jones, not a bunch of suits throwing spanners in the works. We are already missing out on signings while all this goes on.
Two things:
How do you know suits are throwing spanners in the works?
In terms of signings, who have we missed out on?
More good questions AiS - but you and I seem to get thumbs down for asking ..... oh dear!
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: There should be no Burke team input, too many cooks spoiling the broth at Albion. Let the manager do the job, it is all being done wrong.[/p][/quote]That's you're opinion, although i don't agree with it. In the modern game, there is so much for the 'manager' to think about, support staff are an inevitable consequence. In the past, you had a manager and a trainer and that was it. Now, you have an assistant, a first team coach, specialist coaches, physios, video analysts, agents and a growing preference for Directors Of Football. It's all about sharing the load but in all cases of selection, our club has made it clear the manager has the casting vote AND the ability to select for himself. Unless you want to go back to sheepskin coats, buckets of cold water and sponges, I really don't see the problem....[/p][/quote]Too many conflicting opinions between the staff leading to tensions and walkouts as per Gus and Oscar resulting in a indifferent team. The set up has been proven not to work and it is taking far too ling to sign players. Get rid of the set up all it needs is Sami and Nathan Jones, not a bunch of suits throwing spanners in the works. We are already missing out on signings while all this goes on.[/p][/quote]Two things: How do you know suits are throwing spanners in the works? In terms of signings, who have we missed out on?[/p][/quote]More good questions AiS - but you and I seem to get thumbs down for asking ..... oh dear! gilbertthecat
  • Score: 1

10:24am Tue 17 Jun 14

Mayfield sweeper says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
There should be no Burke team input, too many cooks spoiling the broth at Albion. Let the manager do the job, it is all being done wrong.
That's you're opinion, although i don't agree with it.
In the modern game, there is so much for the 'manager' to think about, support staff are an inevitable consequence.
In the past, you had a manager and a trainer and that was it. Now, you have an assistant, a first team coach, specialist coaches, physios, video analysts, agents and a growing preference for Directors Of Football.
It's all about sharing the load but in all cases of selection, our club has made it clear the manager has the casting vote AND the ability to select for himself.
Unless you want to go back to sheepskin coats, buckets of cold water and sponges, I really don't see the problem....
Too many conflicting opinions between the staff leading to tensions and walkouts as per Gus and Oscar resulting in a indifferent team. The set up has been proven not to work and it is taking far too ling to sign players. Get rid of the set up all it needs is Sami and Nathan Jones, not a bunch of suits throwing spanners in the works. We are already missing out on signings while all this goes on.
Two things:
How do you know suits are throwing spanners in the works?
In terms of signings, who have we missed out on?
We've lost a manager these last 2 years because of conflicts with the suits over ambition and budget and player recruitment. The club feels life it's been taken away from the supporters by these people and we are told so little about what's happening all the time. Maybe the answer is a fans representative on the board to keep things in check and see what is going on. Fulham bid 5 million for Ross McCormack, that could have been us so there's a good signing missed out on. Everyday there are players being linked to clubs but never the Albion, it's far too quiet for my liking. We only just limped into the play offs last season and limped straight back out with a squad not good enough. If not careful we won't even manage that this time round. It's all about signing up the quality now, the sooner the better. If it costs money it costs money.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: There should be no Burke team input, too many cooks spoiling the broth at Albion. Let the manager do the job, it is all being done wrong.[/p][/quote]That's you're opinion, although i don't agree with it. In the modern game, there is so much for the 'manager' to think about, support staff are an inevitable consequence. In the past, you had a manager and a trainer and that was it. Now, you have an assistant, a first team coach, specialist coaches, physios, video analysts, agents and a growing preference for Directors Of Football. It's all about sharing the load but in all cases of selection, our club has made it clear the manager has the casting vote AND the ability to select for himself. Unless you want to go back to sheepskin coats, buckets of cold water and sponges, I really don't see the problem....[/p][/quote]Too many conflicting opinions between the staff leading to tensions and walkouts as per Gus and Oscar resulting in a indifferent team. The set up has been proven not to work and it is taking far too ling to sign players. Get rid of the set up all it needs is Sami and Nathan Jones, not a bunch of suits throwing spanners in the works. We are already missing out on signings while all this goes on.[/p][/quote]Two things: How do you know suits are throwing spanners in the works? In terms of signings, who have we missed out on?[/p][/quote]We've lost a manager these last 2 years because of conflicts with the suits over ambition and budget and player recruitment. The club feels life it's been taken away from the supporters by these people and we are told so little about what's happening all the time. Maybe the answer is a fans representative on the board to keep things in check and see what is going on. Fulham bid 5 million for Ross McCormack, that could have been us so there's a good signing missed out on. Everyday there are players being linked to clubs but never the Albion, it's far too quiet for my liking. We only just limped into the play offs last season and limped straight back out with a squad not good enough. If not careful we won't even manage that this time round. It's all about signing up the quality now, the sooner the better. If it costs money it costs money. Mayfield sweeper
  • Score: -19

10:35am Tue 17 Jun 14

pjwilk says...

the taffster wrote:
Here we go....hypia is employed as a yes man with little power to over rule or get in the players HE WANTS. Get out of the club Burke before you take us down...
All our trouble with finance recruitment management dis harmony started when they employed Burke ant the other B.And nothing will change until both are sacked.Ask Dick Knight.
[quote][p][bold]the taffster[/bold] wrote: Here we go....hypia is employed as a yes man with little power to over rule or get in the players HE WANTS. Get out of the club Burke before you take us down...[/p][/quote]All our trouble with finance recruitment management dis harmony started when they employed Burke ant the other B.And nothing will change until both are sacked.Ask Dick Knight. pjwilk
  • Score: -21

10:36am Tue 17 Jun 14

thetungsten says...

"Hyypia happy to have a say".......... but you wont aloud to!
"Hyypia happy to have a say".......... but you wont aloud to! thetungsten
  • Score: -14

10:58am Tue 17 Jun 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
There should be no Burke team input, too many cooks spoiling the broth at Albion. Let the manager do the job, it is all being done wrong.
That's you're opinion, although i don't agree with it.
In the modern game, there is so much for the 'manager' to think about, support staff are an inevitable consequence.
In the past, you had a manager and a trainer and that was it. Now, you have an assistant, a first team coach, specialist coaches, physios, video analysts, agents and a growing preference for Directors Of Football.
It's all about sharing the load but in all cases of selection, our club has made it clear the manager has the casting vote AND the ability to select for himself.
Unless you want to go back to sheepskin coats, buckets of cold water and sponges, I really don't see the problem....
Too many conflicting opinions between the staff leading to tensions and walkouts as per Gus and Oscar resulting in a indifferent team. The set up has been proven not to work and it is taking far too ling to sign players. Get rid of the set up all it needs is Sami and Nathan Jones, not a bunch of suits throwing spanners in the works. We are already missing out on signings while all this goes on.
Two things:
How do you know suits are throwing spanners in the works?
In terms of signings, who have we missed out on?
We've lost a manager these last 2 years because of conflicts with the suits over ambition and budget and player recruitment. The club feels life it's been taken away from the supporters by these people and we are told so little about what's happening all the time. Maybe the answer is a fans representative on the board to keep things in check and see what is going on. Fulham bid 5 million for Ross McCormack, that could have been us so there's a good signing missed out on. Everyday there are players being linked to clubs but never the Albion, it's far too quiet for my liking. We only just limped into the play offs last season and limped straight back out with a squad not good enough. If not careful we won't even manage that this time round. It's all about signing up the quality now, the sooner the better. If it costs money it costs money.
I'm afraid the harsh reality is that if you earn £10 and spend eleven of them, you'll soon get into problems and the club want to retain a tight control over that.
But perhaps - and it is only perhaps - the club now know they were too strict on the principles for player recruitment, have learned some lessons and now given the manager's position more say in the process?
But however you cut it, spending more than you earn is a recipe for disaster. I'd love to drive around in a Maserati, but unfortunately, my bank wouldn't let me...
With regards to signings, my view is you sort of kill your own argument. You're suggesting the manager doesn't have a say, but then complaining that we aren't signing anyone.
But the fact we haven't signed anyone is surely an indication that the new man is being given time to get his feet under the desk and evaluate, which comes with the territory when you appoint someone new. It takes time.
And you mention Ross McMormack and say that it could have been us. Perhaps Hyppia doesn't want that type of player? Perhaps the truth is that we actually couldn't afford him anyway?
I think now is about patience for a while. The club have made it clear Hyppia IS involved in signings and WILL have the final say.
What I say is, give him and the club a bit of breathing space.
[quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: There should be no Burke team input, too many cooks spoiling the broth at Albion. Let the manager do the job, it is all being done wrong.[/p][/quote]That's you're opinion, although i don't agree with it. In the modern game, there is so much for the 'manager' to think about, support staff are an inevitable consequence. In the past, you had a manager and a trainer and that was it. Now, you have an assistant, a first team coach, specialist coaches, physios, video analysts, agents and a growing preference for Directors Of Football. It's all about sharing the load but in all cases of selection, our club has made it clear the manager has the casting vote AND the ability to select for himself. Unless you want to go back to sheepskin coats, buckets of cold water and sponges, I really don't see the problem....[/p][/quote]Too many conflicting opinions between the staff leading to tensions and walkouts as per Gus and Oscar resulting in a indifferent team. The set up has been proven not to work and it is taking far too ling to sign players. Get rid of the set up all it needs is Sami and Nathan Jones, not a bunch of suits throwing spanners in the works. We are already missing out on signings while all this goes on.[/p][/quote]Two things: How do you know suits are throwing spanners in the works? In terms of signings, who have we missed out on?[/p][/quote]We've lost a manager these last 2 years because of conflicts with the suits over ambition and budget and player recruitment. The club feels life it's been taken away from the supporters by these people and we are told so little about what's happening all the time. Maybe the answer is a fans representative on the board to keep things in check and see what is going on. Fulham bid 5 million for Ross McCormack, that could have been us so there's a good signing missed out on. Everyday there are players being linked to clubs but never the Albion, it's far too quiet for my liking. We only just limped into the play offs last season and limped straight back out with a squad not good enough. If not careful we won't even manage that this time round. It's all about signing up the quality now, the sooner the better. If it costs money it costs money.[/p][/quote]I'm afraid the harsh reality is that if you earn £10 and spend eleven of them, you'll soon get into problems and the club want to retain a tight control over that. But perhaps - and it is only perhaps - the club now know they were too strict on the principles for player recruitment, have learned some lessons and now given the manager's position more say in the process? But however you cut it, spending more than you earn is a recipe for disaster. I'd love to drive around in a Maserati, but unfortunately, my bank wouldn't let me... With regards to signings, my view is you sort of kill your own argument. You're suggesting the manager doesn't have a say, but then complaining that we aren't signing anyone. But the fact we haven't signed anyone is surely an indication that the new man is being given time to get his feet under the desk and evaluate, which comes with the territory when you appoint someone new. It takes time. And you mention Ross McMormack and say that it could have been us. Perhaps Hyppia doesn't want that type of player? Perhaps the truth is that we actually couldn't afford him anyway? I think now is about patience for a while. The club have made it clear Hyppia IS involved in signings and WILL have the final say. What I say is, give him and the club a bit of breathing space. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 17

11:29am Tue 17 Jun 14

pte says...

Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
There should be no Burke team input, too many cooks spoiling the broth at Albion. Let the manager do the job, it is all being done wrong.
That's you're opinion, although i don't agree with it.
In the modern game, there is so much for the 'manager' to think about, support staff are an inevitable consequence.
In the past, you had a manager and a trainer and that was it. Now, you have an assistant, a first team coach, specialist coaches, physios, video analysts, agents and a growing preference for Directors Of Football.
It's all about sharing the load but in all cases of selection, our club has made it clear the manager has the casting vote AND the ability to select for himself.
Unless you want to go back to sheepskin coats, buckets of cold water and sponges, I really don't see the problem....
Too many conflicting opinions between the staff leading to tensions and walkouts as per Gus and Oscar resulting in a indifferent team. The set up has been proven not to work and it is taking far too ling to sign players. Get rid of the set up all it needs is Sami and Nathan Jones, not a bunch of suits throwing spanners in the works. We are already missing out on signings while all this goes on.
Two things:
How do you know suits are throwing spanners in the works?
In terms of signings, who have we missed out on?
We've lost a manager these last 2 years because of conflicts with the suits over ambition and budget and player recruitment. The club feels life it's been taken away from the supporters by these people and we are told so little about what's happening all the time. Maybe the answer is a fans representative on the board to keep things in check and see what is going on. Fulham bid 5 million for Ross McCormack, that could have been us so there's a good signing missed out on. Everyday there are players being linked to clubs but never the Albion, it's far too quiet for my liking. We only just limped into the play offs last season and limped straight back out with a squad not good enough. If not careful we won't even manage that this time round. It's all about signing up the quality now, the sooner the better. If it costs money it costs money.
We should have an anti suits protest.

We all turn up at the first match all wearing a suit
[quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: There should be no Burke team input, too many cooks spoiling the broth at Albion. Let the manager do the job, it is all being done wrong.[/p][/quote]That's you're opinion, although i don't agree with it. In the modern game, there is so much for the 'manager' to think about, support staff are an inevitable consequence. In the past, you had a manager and a trainer and that was it. Now, you have an assistant, a first team coach, specialist coaches, physios, video analysts, agents and a growing preference for Directors Of Football. It's all about sharing the load but in all cases of selection, our club has made it clear the manager has the casting vote AND the ability to select for himself. Unless you want to go back to sheepskin coats, buckets of cold water and sponges, I really don't see the problem....[/p][/quote]Too many conflicting opinions between the staff leading to tensions and walkouts as per Gus and Oscar resulting in a indifferent team. The set up has been proven not to work and it is taking far too ling to sign players. Get rid of the set up all it needs is Sami and Nathan Jones, not a bunch of suits throwing spanners in the works. We are already missing out on signings while all this goes on.[/p][/quote]Two things: How do you know suits are throwing spanners in the works? In terms of signings, who have we missed out on?[/p][/quote]We've lost a manager these last 2 years because of conflicts with the suits over ambition and budget and player recruitment. The club feels life it's been taken away from the supporters by these people and we are told so little about what's happening all the time. Maybe the answer is a fans representative on the board to keep things in check and see what is going on. Fulham bid 5 million for Ross McCormack, that could have been us so there's a good signing missed out on. Everyday there are players being linked to clubs but never the Albion, it's far too quiet for my liking. We only just limped into the play offs last season and limped straight back out with a squad not good enough. If not careful we won't even manage that this time round. It's all about signing up the quality now, the sooner the better. If it costs money it costs money.[/p][/quote]We should have an anti suits protest. We all turn up at the first match all wearing a suit pte
  • Score: -20

11:46am Tue 17 Jun 14

Cockwomble says...

pte wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
There should be no Burke team input, too many cooks spoiling the broth at Albion. Let the manager do the job, it is all being done wrong.
That's you're opinion, although i don't agree with it.
In the modern game, there is so much for the 'manager' to think about, support staff are an inevitable consequence.
In the past, you had a manager and a trainer and that was it. Now, you have an assistant, a first team coach, specialist coaches, physios, video analysts, agents and a growing preference for Directors Of Football.
It's all about sharing the load but in all cases of selection, our club has made it clear the manager has the casting vote AND the ability to select for himself.
Unless you want to go back to sheepskin coats, buckets of cold water and sponges, I really don't see the problem....
Too many conflicting opinions between the staff leading to tensions and walkouts as per Gus and Oscar resulting in a indifferent team. The set up has been proven not to work and it is taking far too ling to sign players. Get rid of the set up all it needs is Sami and Nathan Jones, not a bunch of suits throwing spanners in the works. We are already missing out on signings while all this goes on.
Two things:
How do you know suits are throwing spanners in the works?
In terms of signings, who have we missed out on?
We've lost a manager these last 2 years because of conflicts with the suits over ambition and budget and player recruitment. The club feels life it's been taken away from the supporters by these people and we are told so little about what's happening all the time. Maybe the answer is a fans representative on the board to keep things in check and see what is going on. Fulham bid 5 million for Ross McCormack, that could have been us so there's a good signing missed out on. Everyday there are players being linked to clubs but never the Albion, it's far too quiet for my liking. We only just limped into the play offs last season and limped straight back out with a squad not good enough. If not careful we won't even manage that this time round. It's all about signing up the quality now, the sooner the better. If it costs money it costs money.
We should have an anti suits protest.

We all turn up at the first match all wearing a suit
without the suits who would run the club?cockwomble
[quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: There should be no Burke team input, too many cooks spoiling the broth at Albion. Let the manager do the job, it is all being done wrong.[/p][/quote]That's you're opinion, although i don't agree with it. In the modern game, there is so much for the 'manager' to think about, support staff are an inevitable consequence. In the past, you had a manager and a trainer and that was it. Now, you have an assistant, a first team coach, specialist coaches, physios, video analysts, agents and a growing preference for Directors Of Football. It's all about sharing the load but in all cases of selection, our club has made it clear the manager has the casting vote AND the ability to select for himself. Unless you want to go back to sheepskin coats, buckets of cold water and sponges, I really don't see the problem....[/p][/quote]Too many conflicting opinions between the staff leading to tensions and walkouts as per Gus and Oscar resulting in a indifferent team. The set up has been proven not to work and it is taking far too ling to sign players. Get rid of the set up all it needs is Sami and Nathan Jones, not a bunch of suits throwing spanners in the works. We are already missing out on signings while all this goes on.[/p][/quote]Two things: How do you know suits are throwing spanners in the works? In terms of signings, who have we missed out on?[/p][/quote]We've lost a manager these last 2 years because of conflicts with the suits over ambition and budget and player recruitment. The club feels life it's been taken away from the supporters by these people and we are told so little about what's happening all the time. Maybe the answer is a fans representative on the board to keep things in check and see what is going on. Fulham bid 5 million for Ross McCormack, that could have been us so there's a good signing missed out on. Everyday there are players being linked to clubs but never the Albion, it's far too quiet for my liking. We only just limped into the play offs last season and limped straight back out with a squad not good enough. If not careful we won't even manage that this time round. It's all about signing up the quality now, the sooner the better. If it costs money it costs money.[/p][/quote]We should have an anti suits protest. We all turn up at the first match all wearing a suit[/p][/quote]without the suits who would run the club?cockwomble Cockwomble
  • Score: 6

12:14pm Tue 17 Jun 14

gordongull says...

gilbertthecat wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
There should be no Burke team input, too many cooks spoiling the broth at Albion. Let the manager do the job, it is all being done wrong.
That's you're opinion, although i don't agree with it.
In the modern game, there is so much for the 'manager' to think about, support staff are an inevitable consequence.
In the past, you had a manager and a trainer and that was it. Now, you have an assistant, a first team coach, specialist coaches, physios, video analysts, agents and a growing preference for Directors Of Football.
It's all about sharing the load but in all cases of selection, our club has made it clear the manager has the casting vote AND the ability to select for himself.
Unless you want to go back to sheepskin coats, buckets of cold water and sponges, I really don't see the problem....
Too many conflicting opinions between the staff leading to tensions and walkouts as per Gus and Oscar resulting in a indifferent team. The set up has been proven not to work and it is taking far too ling to sign players. Get rid of the set up all it needs is Sami and Nathan Jones, not a bunch of suits throwing spanners in the works. We are already missing out on signings while all this goes on.
So top 6 for two seasons is because the system isn't working? If making the play-offs is failure then I say bring it on. There will always be things that can be done better and no doubt BHAFC are no different in that respect so of course they should keep looking at how to progress beyond the play-offs. That's what we all want. I'm bloody sure TB wants that and has a plan to do it which he will keep tweaking. One question though as I don't know how the other Champ sides are set up, are we that different in our set up to all those other clubs?
Back in March, Derby County manager Steve McClaren said a simplistic management structure and lack of interference has been crucial to the club's resurgence.
I don't suppose Sam Rush the owner has provided him with any blank cheques, but he is left alone to do his job which is to MANAGE.
[quote][p][bold]gilbertthecat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: There should be no Burke team input, too many cooks spoiling the broth at Albion. Let the manager do the job, it is all being done wrong.[/p][/quote]That's you're opinion, although i don't agree with it. In the modern game, there is so much for the 'manager' to think about, support staff are an inevitable consequence. In the past, you had a manager and a trainer and that was it. Now, you have an assistant, a first team coach, specialist coaches, physios, video analysts, agents and a growing preference for Directors Of Football. It's all about sharing the load but in all cases of selection, our club has made it clear the manager has the casting vote AND the ability to select for himself. Unless you want to go back to sheepskin coats, buckets of cold water and sponges, I really don't see the problem....[/p][/quote]Too many conflicting opinions between the staff leading to tensions and walkouts as per Gus and Oscar resulting in a indifferent team. The set up has been proven not to work and it is taking far too ling to sign players. Get rid of the set up all it needs is Sami and Nathan Jones, not a bunch of suits throwing spanners in the works. We are already missing out on signings while all this goes on.[/p][/quote]So top 6 for two seasons is because the system isn't working? If making the play-offs is failure then I say bring it on. There will always be things that can be done better and no doubt BHAFC are no different in that respect so of course they should keep looking at how to progress beyond the play-offs. That's what we all want. I'm bloody sure TB wants that and has a plan to do it which he will keep tweaking. One question though as I don't know how the other Champ sides are set up, are we that different in our set up to all those other clubs?[/p][/quote]Back in March, Derby County manager Steve McClaren said a simplistic management structure and lack of interference has been crucial to the club's resurgence. I don't suppose Sam Rush the owner has provided him with any blank cheques, but he is left alone to do his job which is to MANAGE. gordongull
  • Score: 1

12:35pm Tue 17 Jun 14

Albion In Staffs says...

gordongull wrote:
gilbertthecat wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
There should be no Burke team input, too many cooks spoiling the broth at Albion. Let the manager do the job, it is all being done wrong.
That's you're opinion, although i don't agree with it.
In the modern game, there is so much for the 'manager' to think about, support staff are an inevitable consequence.
In the past, you had a manager and a trainer and that was it. Now, you have an assistant, a first team coach, specialist coaches, physios, video analysts, agents and a growing preference for Directors Of Football.
It's all about sharing the load but in all cases of selection, our club has made it clear the manager has the casting vote AND the ability to select for himself.
Unless you want to go back to sheepskin coats, buckets of cold water and sponges, I really don't see the problem....
Too many conflicting opinions between the staff leading to tensions and walkouts as per Gus and Oscar resulting in a indifferent team. The set up has been proven not to work and it is taking far too ling to sign players. Get rid of the set up all it needs is Sami and Nathan Jones, not a bunch of suits throwing spanners in the works. We are already missing out on signings while all this goes on.
So top 6 for two seasons is because the system isn't working? If making the play-offs is failure then I say bring it on. There will always be things that can be done better and no doubt BHAFC are no different in that respect so of course they should keep looking at how to progress beyond the play-offs. That's what we all want. I'm bloody sure TB wants that and has a plan to do it which he will keep tweaking. One question though as I don't know how the other Champ sides are set up, are we that different in our set up to all those other clubs?
Back in March, Derby County manager Steve McClaren said a simplistic management structure and lack of interference has been crucial to the club's resurgence.
I don't suppose Sam Rush the owner has provided him with any blank cheques, but he is left alone to do his job which is to MANAGE.
For starters GG, Sam Rush isn't the owner, he's the CEO. The owner is American.
They also have a Finance Director (so do we)
They also have a Head of Football Operations (So do we).
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gilbertthecat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: There should be no Burke team input, too many cooks spoiling the broth at Albion. Let the manager do the job, it is all being done wrong.[/p][/quote]That's you're opinion, although i don't agree with it. In the modern game, there is so much for the 'manager' to think about, support staff are an inevitable consequence. In the past, you had a manager and a trainer and that was it. Now, you have an assistant, a first team coach, specialist coaches, physios, video analysts, agents and a growing preference for Directors Of Football. It's all about sharing the load but in all cases of selection, our club has made it clear the manager has the casting vote AND the ability to select for himself. Unless you want to go back to sheepskin coats, buckets of cold water and sponges, I really don't see the problem....[/p][/quote]Too many conflicting opinions between the staff leading to tensions and walkouts as per Gus and Oscar resulting in a indifferent team. The set up has been proven not to work and it is taking far too ling to sign players. Get rid of the set up all it needs is Sami and Nathan Jones, not a bunch of suits throwing spanners in the works. We are already missing out on signings while all this goes on.[/p][/quote]So top 6 for two seasons is because the system isn't working? If making the play-offs is failure then I say bring it on. There will always be things that can be done better and no doubt BHAFC are no different in that respect so of course they should keep looking at how to progress beyond the play-offs. That's what we all want. I'm bloody sure TB wants that and has a plan to do it which he will keep tweaking. One question though as I don't know how the other Champ sides are set up, are we that different in our set up to all those other clubs?[/p][/quote]Back in March, Derby County manager Steve McClaren said a simplistic management structure and lack of interference has been crucial to the club's resurgence. I don't suppose Sam Rush the owner has provided him with any blank cheques, but he is left alone to do his job which is to MANAGE.[/p][/quote]For starters GG, Sam Rush isn't the owner, he's the CEO. The owner is American. They also have a Finance Director (so do we) They also have a Head of Football Operations (So do we). Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 7

1:05pm Tue 17 Jun 14

gordongull says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
gordongull wrote:
gilbertthecat wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
There should be no Burke team input, too many cooks spoiling the broth at Albion. Let the manager do the job, it is all being done wrong.
That's you're opinion, although i don't agree with it.
In the modern game, there is so much for the 'manager' to think about, support staff are an inevitable consequence.
In the past, you had a manager and a trainer and that was it. Now, you have an assistant, a first team coach, specialist coaches, physios, video analysts, agents and a growing preference for Directors Of Football.
It's all about sharing the load but in all cases of selection, our club has made it clear the manager has the casting vote AND the ability to select for himself.
Unless you want to go back to sheepskin coats, buckets of cold water and sponges, I really don't see the problem....
Too many conflicting opinions between the staff leading to tensions and walkouts as per Gus and Oscar resulting in a indifferent team. The set up has been proven not to work and it is taking far too ling to sign players. Get rid of the set up all it needs is Sami and Nathan Jones, not a bunch of suits throwing spanners in the works. We are already missing out on signings while all this goes on.
So top 6 for two seasons is because the system isn't working? If making the play-offs is failure then I say bring it on. There will always be things that can be done better and no doubt BHAFC are no different in that respect so of course they should keep looking at how to progress beyond the play-offs. That's what we all want. I'm bloody sure TB wants that and has a plan to do it which he will keep tweaking. One question though as I don't know how the other Champ sides are set up, are we that different in our set up to all those other clubs?
Back in March, Derby County manager Steve McClaren said a simplistic management structure and lack of interference has been crucial to the club's resurgence.
I don't suppose Sam Rush the owner has provided him with any blank cheques, but he is left alone to do his job which is to MANAGE.
For starters GG, Sam Rush isn't the owner, he's the CEO. The owner is American.
They also have a Finance Director (so do we)
They also have a Head of Football Operations (So do we).
You are right on all three points Albion in Staffs.
And McClaren is in fact Head Coach.
Thanks for doing the research I should have done!
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gilbertthecat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: There should be no Burke team input, too many cooks spoiling the broth at Albion. Let the manager do the job, it is all being done wrong.[/p][/quote]That's you're opinion, although i don't agree with it. In the modern game, there is so much for the 'manager' to think about, support staff are an inevitable consequence. In the past, you had a manager and a trainer and that was it. Now, you have an assistant, a first team coach, specialist coaches, physios, video analysts, agents and a growing preference for Directors Of Football. It's all about sharing the load but in all cases of selection, our club has made it clear the manager has the casting vote AND the ability to select for himself. Unless you want to go back to sheepskin coats, buckets of cold water and sponges, I really don't see the problem....[/p][/quote]Too many conflicting opinions between the staff leading to tensions and walkouts as per Gus and Oscar resulting in a indifferent team. The set up has been proven not to work and it is taking far too ling to sign players. Get rid of the set up all it needs is Sami and Nathan Jones, not a bunch of suits throwing spanners in the works. We are already missing out on signings while all this goes on.[/p][/quote]So top 6 for two seasons is because the system isn't working? If making the play-offs is failure then I say bring it on. There will always be things that can be done better and no doubt BHAFC are no different in that respect so of course they should keep looking at how to progress beyond the play-offs. That's what we all want. I'm bloody sure TB wants that and has a plan to do it which he will keep tweaking. One question though as I don't know how the other Champ sides are set up, are we that different in our set up to all those other clubs?[/p][/quote]Back in March, Derby County manager Steve McClaren said a simplistic management structure and lack of interference has been crucial to the club's resurgence. I don't suppose Sam Rush the owner has provided him with any blank cheques, but he is left alone to do his job which is to MANAGE.[/p][/quote]For starters GG, Sam Rush isn't the owner, he's the CEO. The owner is American. They also have a Finance Director (so do we) They also have a Head of Football Operations (So do we).[/p][/quote]You are right on all three points Albion in Staffs. And McClaren is in fact Head Coach. Thanks for doing the research I should have done! gordongull
  • Score: 6

1:26pm Tue 17 Jun 14

Albion In Staffs says...

gordongull wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
gordongull wrote:
gilbertthecat wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
There should be no Burke team input, too many cooks spoiling the broth at Albion. Let the manager do the job, it is all being done wrong.
That's you're opinion, although i don't agree with it.
In the modern game, there is so much for the 'manager' to think about, support staff are an inevitable consequence.
In the past, you had a manager and a trainer and that was it. Now, you have an assistant, a first team coach, specialist coaches, physios, video analysts, agents and a growing preference for Directors Of Football.
It's all about sharing the load but in all cases of selection, our club has made it clear the manager has the casting vote AND the ability to select for himself.
Unless you want to go back to sheepskin coats, buckets of cold water and sponges, I really don't see the problem....
Too many conflicting opinions between the staff leading to tensions and walkouts as per Gus and Oscar resulting in a indifferent team. The set up has been proven not to work and it is taking far too ling to sign players. Get rid of the set up all it needs is Sami and Nathan Jones, not a bunch of suits throwing spanners in the works. We are already missing out on signings while all this goes on.
So top 6 for two seasons is because the system isn't working? If making the play-offs is failure then I say bring it on. There will always be things that can be done better and no doubt BHAFC are no different in that respect so of course they should keep looking at how to progress beyond the play-offs. That's what we all want. I'm bloody sure TB wants that and has a plan to do it which he will keep tweaking. One question though as I don't know how the other Champ sides are set up, are we that different in our set up to all those other clubs?
Back in March, Derby County manager Steve McClaren said a simplistic management structure and lack of interference has been crucial to the club's resurgence.
I don't suppose Sam Rush the owner has provided him with any blank cheques, but he is left alone to do his job which is to MANAGE.
For starters GG, Sam Rush isn't the owner, he's the CEO. The owner is American.
They also have a Finance Director (so do we)
They also have a Head of Football Operations (So do we).
You are right on all three points Albion in Staffs.
And McClaren is in fact Head Coach.
Thanks for doing the research I should have done!
A bit of a vested interest I'm afraid. They're only 20 miles up the road and my wife's family are all fans.
The two legs of the semi-final were not pleasant and it's fair to say Mrs. AIS was not exactly supportive...
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gilbertthecat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: There should be no Burke team input, too many cooks spoiling the broth at Albion. Let the manager do the job, it is all being done wrong.[/p][/quote]That's you're opinion, although i don't agree with it. In the modern game, there is so much for the 'manager' to think about, support staff are an inevitable consequence. In the past, you had a manager and a trainer and that was it. Now, you have an assistant, a first team coach, specialist coaches, physios, video analysts, agents and a growing preference for Directors Of Football. It's all about sharing the load but in all cases of selection, our club has made it clear the manager has the casting vote AND the ability to select for himself. Unless you want to go back to sheepskin coats, buckets of cold water and sponges, I really don't see the problem....[/p][/quote]Too many conflicting opinions between the staff leading to tensions and walkouts as per Gus and Oscar resulting in a indifferent team. The set up has been proven not to work and it is taking far too ling to sign players. Get rid of the set up all it needs is Sami and Nathan Jones, not a bunch of suits throwing spanners in the works. We are already missing out on signings while all this goes on.[/p][/quote]So top 6 for two seasons is because the system isn't working? If making the play-offs is failure then I say bring it on. There will always be things that can be done better and no doubt BHAFC are no different in that respect so of course they should keep looking at how to progress beyond the play-offs. That's what we all want. I'm bloody sure TB wants that and has a plan to do it which he will keep tweaking. One question though as I don't know how the other Champ sides are set up, are we that different in our set up to all those other clubs?[/p][/quote]Back in March, Derby County manager Steve McClaren said a simplistic management structure and lack of interference has been crucial to the club's resurgence. I don't suppose Sam Rush the owner has provided him with any blank cheques, but he is left alone to do his job which is to MANAGE.[/p][/quote]For starters GG, Sam Rush isn't the owner, he's the CEO. The owner is American. They also have a Finance Director (so do we) They also have a Head of Football Operations (So do we).[/p][/quote]You are right on all three points Albion in Staffs. And McClaren is in fact Head Coach. Thanks for doing the research I should have done![/p][/quote]A bit of a vested interest I'm afraid. They're only 20 miles up the road and my wife's family are all fans. The two legs of the semi-final were not pleasant and it's fair to say Mrs. AIS was not exactly supportive... Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 6

1:30pm Tue 17 Jun 14

tinker111 says...

Yogi wrote:
Ulloa - continued speculation that he wants to leave is a concern but if we get 8M it would be a useful amount for future players!
Best we have at moment but not that good let him go ASAP there has to be a lot better
[quote][p][bold]Yogi[/bold] wrote: Ulloa - continued speculation that he wants to leave is a concern but if we get 8M it would be a useful amount for future players![/p][/quote]Best we have at moment but not that good let him go ASAP there has to be a lot better tinker111
  • Score: -1

1:34pm Tue 17 Jun 14

gordongull says...

I hope all that was forgotten after their QPR result in the final, AIS.
I hope all that was forgotten after their QPR result in the final, AIS. gordongull
  • Score: 2

1:38pm Tue 17 Jun 14

pjwilk says...

Cockwomble wrote:
pte wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
There should be no Burke team input, too many cooks spoiling the broth at Albion. Let the manager do the job, it is all being done wrong.
That's you're opinion, although i don't agree with it.
In the modern game, there is so much for the 'manager' to think about, support staff are an inevitable consequence.
In the past, you had a manager and a trainer and that was it. Now, you have an assistant, a first team coach, specialist coaches, physios, video analysts, agents and a growing preference for Directors Of Football.
It's all about sharing the load but in all cases of selection, our club has made it clear the manager has the casting vote AND the ability to select for himself.
Unless you want to go back to sheepskin coats, buckets of cold water and sponges, I really don't see the problem....
Too many conflicting opinions between the staff leading to tensions and walkouts as per Gus and Oscar resulting in a indifferent team. The set up has been proven not to work and it is taking far too ling to sign players. Get rid of the set up all it needs is Sami and Nathan Jones, not a bunch of suits throwing spanners in the works. We are already missing out on signings while all this goes on.
Two things:
How do you know suits are throwing spanners in the works?
In terms of signings, who have we missed out on?
We've lost a manager these last 2 years because of conflicts with the suits over ambition and budget and player recruitment. The club feels life it's been taken away from the supporters by these people and we are told so little about what's happening all the time. Maybe the answer is a fans representative on the board to keep things in check and see what is going on. Fulham bid 5 million for Ross McCormack, that could have been us so there's a good signing missed out on. Everyday there are players being linked to clubs but never the Albion, it's far too quiet for my liking. We only just limped into the play offs last season and limped straight back out with a squad not good enough. If not careful we won't even manage that this time round. It's all about signing up the quality now, the sooner the better. If it costs money it costs money.
We should have an anti suits protest.

We all turn up at the first match all wearing a suit
without the suits who would run the club?cockwomble
You mean it is actually being run,what into the ground.
[quote][p][bold]Cockwomble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: There should be no Burke team input, too many cooks spoiling the broth at Albion. Let the manager do the job, it is all being done wrong.[/p][/quote]That's you're opinion, although i don't agree with it. In the modern game, there is so much for the 'manager' to think about, support staff are an inevitable consequence. In the past, you had a manager and a trainer and that was it. Now, you have an assistant, a first team coach, specialist coaches, physios, video analysts, agents and a growing preference for Directors Of Football. It's all about sharing the load but in all cases of selection, our club has made it clear the manager has the casting vote AND the ability to select for himself. Unless you want to go back to sheepskin coats, buckets of cold water and sponges, I really don't see the problem....[/p][/quote]Too many conflicting opinions between the staff leading to tensions and walkouts as per Gus and Oscar resulting in a indifferent team. The set up has been proven not to work and it is taking far too ling to sign players. Get rid of the set up all it needs is Sami and Nathan Jones, not a bunch of suits throwing spanners in the works. We are already missing out on signings while all this goes on.[/p][/quote]Two things: How do you know suits are throwing spanners in the works? In terms of signings, who have we missed out on?[/p][/quote]We've lost a manager these last 2 years because of conflicts with the suits over ambition and budget and player recruitment. The club feels life it's been taken away from the supporters by these people and we are told so little about what's happening all the time. Maybe the answer is a fans representative on the board to keep things in check and see what is going on. Fulham bid 5 million for Ross McCormack, that could have been us so there's a good signing missed out on. Everyday there are players being linked to clubs but never the Albion, it's far too quiet for my liking. We only just limped into the play offs last season and limped straight back out with a squad not good enough. If not careful we won't even manage that this time round. It's all about signing up the quality now, the sooner the better. If it costs money it costs money.[/p][/quote]We should have an anti suits protest. We all turn up at the first match all wearing a suit[/p][/quote]without the suits who would run the club?cockwomble[/p][/quote]You mean it is actually being run,what into the ground. pjwilk
  • Score: -14

1:50pm Tue 17 Jun 14

Albion In Staffs says...

gordongull wrote:
I hope all that was forgotten after their QPR result in the final, AIS.
I rose above the natural inclination to put the boot in.
(Best that way)
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: I hope all that was forgotten after their QPR result in the final, AIS.[/p][/quote]I rose above the natural inclination to put the boot in. (Best that way) Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 5

2:10pm Tue 17 Jun 14

Cockwomble says...

gordongull wrote:
gilbertthecat wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
There should be no Burke team input, too many cooks spoiling the broth at Albion. Let the manager do the job, it is all being done wrong.
That's you're opinion, although i don't agree with it.
In the modern game, there is so much for the 'manager' to think about, support staff are an inevitable consequence.
In the past, you had a manager and a trainer and that was it. Now, you have an assistant, a first team coach, specialist coaches, physios, video analysts, agents and a growing preference for Directors Of Football.
It's all about sharing the load but in all cases of selection, our club has made it clear the manager has the casting vote AND the ability to select for himself.
Unless you want to go back to sheepskin coats, buckets of cold water and sponges, I really don't see the problem....
Too many conflicting opinions between the staff leading to tensions and walkouts as per Gus and Oscar resulting in a indifferent team. The set up has been proven not to work and it is taking far too ling to sign players. Get rid of the set up all it needs is Sami and Nathan Jones, not a bunch of suits throwing spanners in the works. We are already missing out on signings while all this goes on.
So top 6 for two seasons is because the system isn't working? If making the play-offs is failure then I say bring it on. There will always be things that can be done better and no doubt BHAFC are no different in that respect so of course they should keep looking at how to progress beyond the play-offs. That's what we all want. I'm bloody sure TB wants that and has a plan to do it which he will keep tweaking. One question though as I don't know how the other Champ sides are set up, are we that different in our set up to all those other clubs?
Back in March, Derby County manager Steve McClaren said a simplistic management structure and lack of interference has been crucial to the club's resurgence.
I don't suppose Sam Rush the owner has provided him with any blank cheques, but he is left alone to do his job which is to MANAGE.
they had the same structure for clough.didnt work for him.structure not the issue.cockwomble
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gilbertthecat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: There should be no Burke team input, too many cooks spoiling the broth at Albion. Let the manager do the job, it is all being done wrong.[/p][/quote]That's you're opinion, although i don't agree with it. In the modern game, there is so much for the 'manager' to think about, support staff are an inevitable consequence. In the past, you had a manager and a trainer and that was it. Now, you have an assistant, a first team coach, specialist coaches, physios, video analysts, agents and a growing preference for Directors Of Football. It's all about sharing the load but in all cases of selection, our club has made it clear the manager has the casting vote AND the ability to select for himself. Unless you want to go back to sheepskin coats, buckets of cold water and sponges, I really don't see the problem....[/p][/quote]Too many conflicting opinions between the staff leading to tensions and walkouts as per Gus and Oscar resulting in a indifferent team. The set up has been proven not to work and it is taking far too ling to sign players. Get rid of the set up all it needs is Sami and Nathan Jones, not a bunch of suits throwing spanners in the works. We are already missing out on signings while all this goes on.[/p][/quote]So top 6 for two seasons is because the system isn't working? If making the play-offs is failure then I say bring it on. There will always be things that can be done better and no doubt BHAFC are no different in that respect so of course they should keep looking at how to progress beyond the play-offs. That's what we all want. I'm bloody sure TB wants that and has a plan to do it which he will keep tweaking. One question though as I don't know how the other Champ sides are set up, are we that different in our set up to all those other clubs?[/p][/quote]Back in March, Derby County manager Steve McClaren said a simplistic management structure and lack of interference has been crucial to the club's resurgence. I don't suppose Sam Rush the owner has provided him with any blank cheques, but he is left alone to do his job which is to MANAGE.[/p][/quote]they had the same structure for clough.didnt work for him.structure not the issue.cockwomble Cockwomble
  • Score: 3

2:11pm Tue 17 Jun 14

Cockwomble says...

pjwilk wrote:
Cockwomble wrote:
pte wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
There should be no Burke team input, too many cooks spoiling the broth at Albion. Let the manager do the job, it is all being done wrong.
That's you're opinion, although i don't agree with it.
In the modern game, there is so much for the 'manager' to think about, support staff are an inevitable consequence.
In the past, you had a manager and a trainer and that was it. Now, you have an assistant, a first team coach, specialist coaches, physios, video analysts, agents and a growing preference for Directors Of Football.
It's all about sharing the load but in all cases of selection, our club has made it clear the manager has the casting vote AND the ability to select for himself.
Unless you want to go back to sheepskin coats, buckets of cold water and sponges, I really don't see the problem....
Too many conflicting opinions between the staff leading to tensions and walkouts as per Gus and Oscar resulting in a indifferent team. The set up has been proven not to work and it is taking far too ling to sign players. Get rid of the set up all it needs is Sami and Nathan Jones, not a bunch of suits throwing spanners in the works. We are already missing out on signings while all this goes on.
Two things:
How do you know suits are throwing spanners in the works?
In terms of signings, who have we missed out on?
We've lost a manager these last 2 years because of conflicts with the suits over ambition and budget and player recruitment. The club feels life it's been taken away from the supporters by these people and we are told so little about what's happening all the time. Maybe the answer is a fans representative on the board to keep things in check and see what is going on. Fulham bid 5 million for Ross McCormack, that could have been us so there's a good signing missed out on. Everyday there are players being linked to clubs but never the Albion, it's far too quiet for my liking. We only just limped into the play offs last season and limped straight back out with a squad not good enough. If not careful we won't even manage that this time round. It's all about signing up the quality now, the sooner the better. If it costs money it costs money.
We should have an anti suits protest.

We all turn up at the first match all wearing a suit
without the suits who would run the club?cockwomble
You mean it is actually being run,what into the ground.
cockwomble
[quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cockwomble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: There should be no Burke team input, too many cooks spoiling the broth at Albion. Let the manager do the job, it is all being done wrong.[/p][/quote]That's you're opinion, although i don't agree with it. In the modern game, there is so much for the 'manager' to think about, support staff are an inevitable consequence. In the past, you had a manager and a trainer and that was it. Now, you have an assistant, a first team coach, specialist coaches, physios, video analysts, agents and a growing preference for Directors Of Football. It's all about sharing the load but in all cases of selection, our club has made it clear the manager has the casting vote AND the ability to select for himself. Unless you want to go back to sheepskin coats, buckets of cold water and sponges, I really don't see the problem....[/p][/quote]Too many conflicting opinions between the staff leading to tensions and walkouts as per Gus and Oscar resulting in a indifferent team. The set up has been proven not to work and it is taking far too ling to sign players. Get rid of the set up all it needs is Sami and Nathan Jones, not a bunch of suits throwing spanners in the works. We are already missing out on signings while all this goes on.[/p][/quote]Two things: How do you know suits are throwing spanners in the works? In terms of signings, who have we missed out on?[/p][/quote]We've lost a manager these last 2 years because of conflicts with the suits over ambition and budget and player recruitment. The club feels life it's been taken away from the supporters by these people and we are told so little about what's happening all the time. Maybe the answer is a fans representative on the board to keep things in check and see what is going on. Fulham bid 5 million for Ross McCormack, that could have been us so there's a good signing missed out on. Everyday there are players being linked to clubs but never the Albion, it's far too quiet for my liking. We only just limped into the play offs last season and limped straight back out with a squad not good enough. If not careful we won't even manage that this time round. It's all about signing up the quality now, the sooner the better. If it costs money it costs money.[/p][/quote]We should have an anti suits protest. We all turn up at the first match all wearing a suit[/p][/quote]without the suits who would run the club?cockwomble[/p][/quote]You mean it is actually being run,what into the ground.[/p][/quote]cockwomble Cockwomble
  • Score: 2

2:26pm Tue 17 Jun 14

Mayfield sweeper says...

Cockwomble wrote:
pte wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
There should be no Burke team input, too many cooks spoiling the broth at Albion. Let the manager do the job, it is all being done wrong.
That's you're opinion, although i don't agree with it.
In the modern game, there is so much for the 'manager' to think about, support staff are an inevitable consequence.
In the past, you had a manager and a trainer and that was it. Now, you have an assistant, a first team coach, specialist coaches, physios, video analysts, agents and a growing preference for Directors Of Football.
It's all about sharing the load but in all cases of selection, our club has made it clear the manager has the casting vote AND the ability to select for himself.
Unless you want to go back to sheepskin coats, buckets of cold water and sponges, I really don't see the problem....
Too many conflicting opinions between the staff leading to tensions and walkouts as per Gus and Oscar resulting in a indifferent team. The set up has been proven not to work and it is taking far too ling to sign players. Get rid of the set up all it needs is Sami and Nathan Jones, not a bunch of suits throwing spanners in the works. We are already missing out on signings while all this goes on.
Two things:
How do you know suits are throwing spanners in the works?
In terms of signings, who have we missed out on?
We've lost a manager these last 2 years because of conflicts with the suits over ambition and budget and player recruitment. The club feels life it's been taken away from the supporters by these people and we are told so little about what's happening all the time. Maybe the answer is a fans representative on the board to keep things in check and see what is going on. Fulham bid 5 million for Ross McCormack, that could have been us so there's a good signing missed out on. Everyday there are players being linked to clubs but never the Albion, it's far too quiet for my liking. We only just limped into the play offs last season and limped straight back out with a squad not good enough. If not careful we won't even manage that this time round. It's all about signing up the quality now, the sooner the better. If it costs money it costs money.
We should have an anti suits protest.

We all turn up at the first match all wearing a suit
without the suits who would run the club?cockwomble
It is not a case of being against the suits per se, but more of too many suits taking control of everything which generates uneasiness. This happens at financial institutions and businesses the world over, creating a barrier between "them and us". When there is too much meddling in affairs it does not benefit the team or supporters and this has definitely happened at the Albion up to now, if the suits were to step back and be more open about everything at the club we would all feel better and more positive. Too often it feels like it's closed doors and silences. Again, a fans representative group on the board would be a good thing for all.
[quote][p][bold]Cockwomble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: There should be no Burke team input, too many cooks spoiling the broth at Albion. Let the manager do the job, it is all being done wrong.[/p][/quote]That's you're opinion, although i don't agree with it. In the modern game, there is so much for the 'manager' to think about, support staff are an inevitable consequence. In the past, you had a manager and a trainer and that was it. Now, you have an assistant, a first team coach, specialist coaches, physios, video analysts, agents and a growing preference for Directors Of Football. It's all about sharing the load but in all cases of selection, our club has made it clear the manager has the casting vote AND the ability to select for himself. Unless you want to go back to sheepskin coats, buckets of cold water and sponges, I really don't see the problem....[/p][/quote]Too many conflicting opinions between the staff leading to tensions and walkouts as per Gus and Oscar resulting in a indifferent team. The set up has been proven not to work and it is taking far too ling to sign players. Get rid of the set up all it needs is Sami and Nathan Jones, not a bunch of suits throwing spanners in the works. We are already missing out on signings while all this goes on.[/p][/quote]Two things: How do you know suits are throwing spanners in the works? In terms of signings, who have we missed out on?[/p][/quote]We've lost a manager these last 2 years because of conflicts with the suits over ambition and budget and player recruitment. The club feels life it's been taken away from the supporters by these people and we are told so little about what's happening all the time. Maybe the answer is a fans representative on the board to keep things in check and see what is going on. Fulham bid 5 million for Ross McCormack, that could have been us so there's a good signing missed out on. Everyday there are players being linked to clubs but never the Albion, it's far too quiet for my liking. We only just limped into the play offs last season and limped straight back out with a squad not good enough. If not careful we won't even manage that this time round. It's all about signing up the quality now, the sooner the better. If it costs money it costs money.[/p][/quote]We should have an anti suits protest. We all turn up at the first match all wearing a suit[/p][/quote]without the suits who would run the club?cockwomble[/p][/quote]It is not a case of being against the suits per se, but more of too many suits taking control of everything which generates uneasiness. This happens at financial institutions and businesses the world over, creating a barrier between "them and us". When there is too much meddling in affairs it does not benefit the team or supporters and this has definitely happened at the Albion up to now, if the suits were to step back and be more open about everything at the club we would all feel better and more positive. Too often it feels like it's closed doors and silences. Again, a fans representative group on the board would be a good thing for all. Mayfield sweeper
  • Score: -11

2:37pm Tue 17 Jun 14

VegasSeagull says...

I think some on this forum need to read this article again. If the section regarding the signing of new players is correct, the most powerful person at the club in terms of recruitment is Hyypia.

Our new manager will, as pointed out by others who read the article, have the power of the veto. Not one single player will arrive without the approval of Sami, and the suits are not reported to have the same power over targets identified by Hyypia.

I note that one contributor says that we missed a chance to sign McCormack, Fulham stepped in with a five million bid, should any of us on here take that comment as genuine, or should we see it as just another attention seeking statement?
I think some on this forum need to read this article again. If the section regarding the signing of new players is correct, the most powerful person at the club in terms of recruitment is Hyypia. Our new manager will, as pointed out by others who read the article, have the power of the veto. Not one single player will arrive without the approval of Sami, and the suits are not reported to have the same power over targets identified by Hyypia. I note that one contributor says that we missed a chance to sign McCormack, Fulham stepped in with a five million bid, should any of us on here take that comment as genuine, or should we see it as just another attention seeking statement? VegasSeagull
  • Score: 7

2:48pm Tue 17 Jun 14

don't wanna do it like that says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
I think some on this forum need to read this article again. If the section regarding the signing of new players is correct, the most powerful person at the club in terms of recruitment is Hyypia.

Our new manager will, as pointed out by others who read the article, have the power of the veto. Not one single player will arrive without the approval of Sami, and the suits are not reported to have the same power over targets identified by Hyypia.

I note that one contributor says that we missed a chance to sign McCormack, Fulham stepped in with a five million bid, should any of us on here take that comment as genuine, or should we see it as just another attention seeking statement?
Vegas the only one who has a veto is Tony Bloom.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: I think some on this forum need to read this article again. If the section regarding the signing of new players is correct, the most powerful person at the club in terms of recruitment is Hyypia. Our new manager will, as pointed out by others who read the article, have the power of the veto. Not one single player will arrive without the approval of Sami, and the suits are not reported to have the same power over targets identified by Hyypia. I note that one contributor says that we missed a chance to sign McCormack, Fulham stepped in with a five million bid, should any of us on here take that comment as genuine, or should we see it as just another attention seeking statement?[/p][/quote]Vegas the only one who has a veto is Tony Bloom. don't wanna do it like that
  • Score: -4

2:50pm Tue 17 Jun 14

VegasSeagull says...

don't wanna do it like that wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
I think some on this forum need to read this article again. If the section regarding the signing of new players is correct, the most powerful person at the club in terms of recruitment is Hyypia.

Our new manager will, as pointed out by others who read the article, have the power of the veto. Not one single player will arrive without the approval of Sami, and the suits are not reported to have the same power over targets identified by Hyypia.

I note that one contributor says that we missed a chance to sign McCormack, Fulham stepped in with a five million bid, should any of us on here take that comment as genuine, or should we see it as just another attention seeking statement?
Vegas the only one who has a veto is Tony Bloom.
so are you suggesting that the article is wrong in it's detail?
[quote][p][bold]don't wanna do it like that[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: I think some on this forum need to read this article again. If the section regarding the signing of new players is correct, the most powerful person at the club in terms of recruitment is Hyypia. Our new manager will, as pointed out by others who read the article, have the power of the veto. Not one single player will arrive without the approval of Sami, and the suits are not reported to have the same power over targets identified by Hyypia. I note that one contributor says that we missed a chance to sign McCormack, Fulham stepped in with a five million bid, should any of us on here take that comment as genuine, or should we see it as just another attention seeking statement?[/p][/quote]Vegas the only one who has a veto is Tony Bloom.[/p][/quote]so are you suggesting that the article is wrong in it's detail? VegasSeagull
  • Score: 3

2:58pm Tue 17 Jun 14

VegasSeagull says...

So Ulloa is back in the news, back in from just one source by the look of it. Not sure how much credit to give to the reported desire of Leo to leave, mostly because the report says that we have turned down flat an offer of seven million from Leicester, when multiple previous reports said that the bidding only reached five million.
So Ulloa is back in the news, back in from just one source by the look of it. Not sure how much credit to give to the reported desire of Leo to leave, mostly because the report says that we have turned down flat an offer of seven million from Leicester, when multiple previous reports said that the bidding only reached five million. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 3

3:04pm Tue 17 Jun 14

don't wanna do it like that says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
don't wanna do it like that wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
I think some on this forum need to read this article again. If the section regarding the signing of new players is correct, the most powerful person at the club in terms of recruitment is Hyypia.

Our new manager will, as pointed out by others who read the article, have the power of the veto. Not one single player will arrive without the approval of Sami, and the suits are not reported to have the same power over targets identified by Hyypia.

I note that one contributor says that we missed a chance to sign McCormack, Fulham stepped in with a five million bid, should any of us on here take that comment as genuine, or should we see it as just another attention seeking statement?
Vegas the only one who has a veto is Tony Bloom.
so are you suggesting that the article is wrong in it's detail?
Be honest a lot of these Argus articles are page fillers,SH will be asked his opinion but when it comes to the crunch no no.

His backroom staff is on hold,this should have been sorted when he signed.

Unless there was already budget talk and his choice would come out of that packet he is allowed.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]don't wanna do it like that[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: I think some on this forum need to read this article again. If the section regarding the signing of new players is correct, the most powerful person at the club in terms of recruitment is Hyypia. Our new manager will, as pointed out by others who read the article, have the power of the veto. Not one single player will arrive without the approval of Sami, and the suits are not reported to have the same power over targets identified by Hyypia. I note that one contributor says that we missed a chance to sign McCormack, Fulham stepped in with a five million bid, should any of us on here take that comment as genuine, or should we see it as just another attention seeking statement?[/p][/quote]Vegas the only one who has a veto is Tony Bloom.[/p][/quote]so are you suggesting that the article is wrong in it's detail?[/p][/quote]Be honest a lot of these Argus articles are page fillers,SH will be asked his opinion but when it comes to the crunch no no. His backroom staff is on hold,this should have been sorted when he signed. Unless there was already budget talk and his choice would come out of that packet he is allowed. don't wanna do it like that
  • Score: -1

4:39pm Tue 17 Jun 14

pte says...

Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Cockwomble wrote:
pte wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
There should be no Burke team input, too many cooks spoiling the broth at Albion. Let the manager do the job, it is all being done wrong.
That's you're opinion, although i don't agree with it.
In the modern game, there is so much for the 'manager' to think about, support staff are an inevitable consequence.
In the past, you had a manager and a trainer and that was it. Now, you have an assistant, a first team coach, specialist coaches, physios, video analysts, agents and a growing preference for Directors Of Football.
It's all about sharing the load but in all cases of selection, our club has made it clear the manager has the casting vote AND the ability to select for himself.
Unless you want to go back to sheepskin coats, buckets of cold water and sponges, I really don't see the problem....
Too many conflicting opinions between the staff leading to tensions and walkouts as per Gus and Oscar resulting in a indifferent team. The set up has been proven not to work and it is taking far too ling to sign players. Get rid of the set up all it needs is Sami and Nathan Jones, not a bunch of suits throwing spanners in the works. We are already missing out on signings while all this goes on.
Two things:
How do you know suits are throwing spanners in the works?
In terms of signings, who have we missed out on?
We've lost a manager these last 2 years because of conflicts with the suits over ambition and budget and player recruitment. The club feels life it's been taken away from the supporters by these people and we are told so little about what's happening all the time. Maybe the answer is a fans representative on the board to keep things in check and see what is going on. Fulham bid 5 million for Ross McCormack, that could have been us so there's a good signing missed out on. Everyday there are players being linked to clubs but never the Albion, it's far too quiet for my liking. We only just limped into the play offs last season and limped straight back out with a squad not good enough. If not careful we won't even manage that this time round. It's all about signing up the quality now, the sooner the better. If it costs money it costs money.
We should have an anti suits protest.

We all turn up at the first match all wearing a suit
without the suits who would run the club?cockwomble
It is not a case of being against the suits per se, but more of too many suits taking control of everything which generates uneasiness. This happens at financial institutions and businesses the world over, creating a barrier between "them and us". When there is too much meddling in affairs it does not benefit the team or supporters and this has definitely happened at the Albion up to now, if the suits were to step back and be more open about everything at the club we would all feel better and more positive. Too often it feels like it's closed doors and silences. Again, a fans representative group on the board would be a good thing for all.
Perhaps the suits should start wearing onesies. I can just imagine Barber wearing one
[quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cockwomble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: There should be no Burke team input, too many cooks spoiling the broth at Albion. Let the manager do the job, it is all being done wrong.[/p][/quote]That's you're opinion, although i don't agree with it. In the modern game, there is so much for the 'manager' to think about, support staff are an inevitable consequence. In the past, you had a manager and a trainer and that was it. Now, you have an assistant, a first team coach, specialist coaches, physios, video analysts, agents and a growing preference for Directors Of Football. It's all about sharing the load but in all cases of selection, our club has made it clear the manager has the casting vote AND the ability to select for himself. Unless you want to go back to sheepskin coats, buckets of cold water and sponges, I really don't see the problem....[/p][/quote]Too many conflicting opinions between the staff leading to tensions and walkouts as per Gus and Oscar resulting in a indifferent team. The set up has been proven not to work and it is taking far too ling to sign players. Get rid of the set up all it needs is Sami and Nathan Jones, not a bunch of suits throwing spanners in the works. We are already missing out on signings while all this goes on.[/p][/quote]Two things: How do you know suits are throwing spanners in the works? In terms of signings, who have we missed out on?[/p][/quote]We've lost a manager these last 2 years because of conflicts with the suits over ambition and budget and player recruitment. The club feels life it's been taken away from the supporters by these people and we are told so little about what's happening all the time. Maybe the answer is a fans representative on the board to keep things in check and see what is going on. Fulham bid 5 million for Ross McCormack, that could have been us so there's a good signing missed out on. Everyday there are players being linked to clubs but never the Albion, it's far too quiet for my liking. We only just limped into the play offs last season and limped straight back out with a squad not good enough. If not careful we won't even manage that this time round. It's all about signing up the quality now, the sooner the better. If it costs money it costs money.[/p][/quote]We should have an anti suits protest. We all turn up at the first match all wearing a suit[/p][/quote]without the suits who would run the club?cockwomble[/p][/quote]It is not a case of being against the suits per se, but more of too many suits taking control of everything which generates uneasiness. This happens at financial institutions and businesses the world over, creating a barrier between "them and us". When there is too much meddling in affairs it does not benefit the team or supporters and this has definitely happened at the Albion up to now, if the suits were to step back and be more open about everything at the club we would all feel better and more positive. Too often it feels like it's closed doors and silences. Again, a fans representative group on the board would be a good thing for all.[/p][/quote]Perhaps the suits should start wearing onesies. I can just imagine Barber wearing one pte
  • Score: 0

5:10pm Tue 17 Jun 14

Cockwomble says...

Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Cockwomble wrote:
pte wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
There should be no Burke team input, too many cooks spoiling the broth at Albion. Let the manager do the job, it is all being done wrong.
That's you're opinion, although i don't agree with it.
In the modern game, there is so much for the 'manager' to think about, support staff are an inevitable consequence.
In the past, you had a manager and a trainer and that was it. Now, you have an assistant, a first team coach, specialist coaches, physios, video analysts, agents and a growing preference for Directors Of Football.
It's all about sharing the load but in all cases of selection, our club has made it clear the manager has the casting vote AND the ability to select for himself.
Unless you want to go back to sheepskin coats, buckets of cold water and sponges, I really don't see the problem....
Too many conflicting opinions between the staff leading to tensions and walkouts as per Gus and Oscar resulting in a indifferent team. The set up has been proven not to work and it is taking far too ling to sign players. Get rid of the set up all it needs is Sami and Nathan Jones, not a bunch of suits throwing spanners in the works. We are already missing out on signings while all this goes on.
Two things:
How do you know suits are throwing spanners in the works?
In terms of signings, who have we missed out on?
We've lost a manager these last 2 years because of conflicts with the suits over ambition and budget and player recruitment. The club feels life it's been taken away from the supporters by these people and we are told so little about what's happening all the time. Maybe the answer is a fans representative on the board to keep things in check and see what is going on. Fulham bid 5 million for Ross McCormack, that could have been us so there's a good signing missed out on. Everyday there are players being linked to clubs but never the Albion, it's far too quiet for my liking. We only just limped into the play offs last season and limped straight back out with a squad not good enough. If not careful we won't even manage that this time round. It's all about signing up the quality now, the sooner the better. If it costs money it costs money.
We should have an anti suits protest.

We all turn up at the first match all wearing a suit
without the suits who would run the club?cockwomble
It is not a case of being against the suits per se, but more of too many suits taking control of everything which generates uneasiness. This happens at financial institutions and businesses the world over, creating a barrier between "them and us". When there is too much meddling in affairs it does not benefit the team or supporters and this has definitely happened at the Albion up to now, if the suits were to step back and be more open about everything at the club we would all feel better and more positive. Too often it feels like it's closed doors and silences. Again, a fans representative group on the board would be a good thing for all.
give examples of meddling.suits doing the jobs of others.pb does the money.db does the recruitment.wheres the meddling.cockwomble
[quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cockwomble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: There should be no Burke team input, too many cooks spoiling the broth at Albion. Let the manager do the job, it is all being done wrong.[/p][/quote]That's you're opinion, although i don't agree with it. In the modern game, there is so much for the 'manager' to think about, support staff are an inevitable consequence. In the past, you had a manager and a trainer and that was it. Now, you have an assistant, a first team coach, specialist coaches, physios, video analysts, agents and a growing preference for Directors Of Football. It's all about sharing the load but in all cases of selection, our club has made it clear the manager has the casting vote AND the ability to select for himself. Unless you want to go back to sheepskin coats, buckets of cold water and sponges, I really don't see the problem....[/p][/quote]Too many conflicting opinions between the staff leading to tensions and walkouts as per Gus and Oscar resulting in a indifferent team. The set up has been proven not to work and it is taking far too ling to sign players. Get rid of the set up all it needs is Sami and Nathan Jones, not a bunch of suits throwing spanners in the works. We are already missing out on signings while all this goes on.[/p][/quote]Two things: How do you know suits are throwing spanners in the works? In terms of signings, who have we missed out on?[/p][/quote]We've lost a manager these last 2 years because of conflicts with the suits over ambition and budget and player recruitment. The club feels life it's been taken away from the supporters by these people and we are told so little about what's happening all the time. Maybe the answer is a fans representative on the board to keep things in check and see what is going on. Fulham bid 5 million for Ross McCormack, that could have been us so there's a good signing missed out on. Everyday there are players being linked to clubs but never the Albion, it's far too quiet for my liking. We only just limped into the play offs last season and limped straight back out with a squad not good enough. If not careful we won't even manage that this time round. It's all about signing up the quality now, the sooner the better. If it costs money it costs money.[/p][/quote]We should have an anti suits protest. We all turn up at the first match all wearing a suit[/p][/quote]without the suits who would run the club?cockwomble[/p][/quote]It is not a case of being against the suits per se, but more of too many suits taking control of everything which generates uneasiness. This happens at financial institutions and businesses the world over, creating a barrier between "them and us". When there is too much meddling in affairs it does not benefit the team or supporters and this has definitely happened at the Albion up to now, if the suits were to step back and be more open about everything at the club we would all feel better and more positive. Too often it feels like it's closed doors and silences. Again, a fans representative group on the board would be a good thing for all.[/p][/quote]give examples of meddling.suits doing the jobs of others.pb does the money.db does the recruitment.wheres the meddling.cockwomble Cockwomble
  • Score: 2

7:57pm Tue 17 Jun 14

Mayfield sweeper says...

Cockwomble wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Cockwomble wrote:
pte wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
There should be no Burke team input, too many cooks spoiling the broth at Albion. Let the manager do the job, it is all being done wrong.
That's you're opinion, although i don't agree with it.
In the modern game, there is so much for the 'manager' to think about, support staff are an inevitable consequence.
In the past, you had a manager and a trainer and that was it. Now, you have an assistant, a first team coach, specialist coaches, physios, video analysts, agents and a growing preference for Directors Of Football.
It's all about sharing the load but in all cases of selection, our club has made it clear the manager has the casting vote AND the ability to select for himself.
Unless you want to go back to sheepskin coats, buckets of cold water and sponges, I really don't see the problem....
Too many conflicting opinions between the staff leading to tensions and walkouts as per Gus and Oscar resulting in a indifferent team. The set up has been proven not to work and it is taking far too ling to sign players. Get rid of the set up all it needs is Sami and Nathan Jones, not a bunch of suits throwing spanners in the works. We are already missing out on signings while all this goes on.
Two things:
How do you know suits are throwing spanners in the works?
In terms of signings, who have we missed out on?
We've lost a manager these last 2 years because of conflicts with the suits over ambition and budget and player recruitment. The club feels life it's been taken away from the supporters by these people and we are told so little about what's happening all the time. Maybe the answer is a fans representative on the board to keep things in check and see what is going on. Fulham bid 5 million for Ross McCormack, that could have been us so there's a good signing missed out on. Everyday there are players being linked to clubs but never the Albion, it's far too quiet for my liking. We only just limped into the play offs last season and limped straight back out with a squad not good enough. If not careful we won't even manage that this time round. It's all about signing up the quality now, the sooner the better. If it costs money it costs money.
We should have an anti suits protest.

We all turn up at the first match all wearing a suit
without the suits who would run the club?cockwomble
It is not a case of being against the suits per se, but more of too many suits taking control of everything which generates uneasiness. This happens at financial institutions and businesses the world over, creating a barrier between "them and us". When there is too much meddling in affairs it does not benefit the team or supporters and this has definitely happened at the Albion up to now, if the suits were to step back and be more open about everything at the club we would all feel better and more positive. Too often it feels like it's closed doors and silences. Again, a fans representative group on the board would be a good thing for all.
give examples of meddling.suits doing the jobs of others.pb does the money.db does the recruitment.wheres the meddling.cockwomble
Every single player the club has signed under the current system, they all had to be handled by other people than the manager, unnecessary meddling every time. No wonder our recent transfer windows have been so quiet.
[quote][p][bold]Cockwomble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cockwomble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: There should be no Burke team input, too many cooks spoiling the broth at Albion. Let the manager do the job, it is all being done wrong.[/p][/quote]That's you're opinion, although i don't agree with it. In the modern game, there is so much for the 'manager' to think about, support staff are an inevitable consequence. In the past, you had a manager and a trainer and that was it. Now, you have an assistant, a first team coach, specialist coaches, physios, video analysts, agents and a growing preference for Directors Of Football. It's all about sharing the load but in all cases of selection, our club has made it clear the manager has the casting vote AND the ability to select for himself. Unless you want to go back to sheepskin coats, buckets of cold water and sponges, I really don't see the problem....[/p][/quote]Too many conflicting opinions between the staff leading to tensions and walkouts as per Gus and Oscar resulting in a indifferent team. The set up has been proven not to work and it is taking far too ling to sign players. Get rid of the set up all it needs is Sami and Nathan Jones, not a bunch of suits throwing spanners in the works. We are already missing out on signings while all this goes on.[/p][/quote]Two things: How do you know suits are throwing spanners in the works? In terms of signings, who have we missed out on?[/p][/quote]We've lost a manager these last 2 years because of conflicts with the suits over ambition and budget and player recruitment. The club feels life it's been taken away from the supporters by these people and we are told so little about what's happening all the time. Maybe the answer is a fans representative on the board to keep things in check and see what is going on. Fulham bid 5 million for Ross McCormack, that could have been us so there's a good signing missed out on. Everyday there are players being linked to clubs but never the Albion, it's far too quiet for my liking. We only just limped into the play offs last season and limped straight back out with a squad not good enough. If not careful we won't even manage that this time round. It's all about signing up the quality now, the sooner the better. If it costs money it costs money.[/p][/quote]We should have an anti suits protest. We all turn up at the first match all wearing a suit[/p][/quote]without the suits who would run the club?cockwomble[/p][/quote]It is not a case of being against the suits per se, but more of too many suits taking control of everything which generates uneasiness. This happens at financial institutions and businesses the world over, creating a barrier between "them and us". When there is too much meddling in affairs it does not benefit the team or supporters and this has definitely happened at the Albion up to now, if the suits were to step back and be more open about everything at the club we would all feel better and more positive. Too often it feels like it's closed doors and silences. Again, a fans representative group on the board would be a good thing for all.[/p][/quote]give examples of meddling.suits doing the jobs of others.pb does the money.db does the recruitment.wheres the meddling.cockwomble[/p][/quote]Every single player the club has signed under the current system, they all had to be handled by other people than the manager, unnecessary meddling every time. No wonder our recent transfer windows have been so quiet. Mayfield sweeper
  • Score: -5

8:34pm Tue 17 Jun 14

gordongull says...

We need to get some players in, and quickly, so it makes sense for work identifying potential transfer targets to have been done before the Manager was appointed. It would be unrealistic for Sami to take on those responsibilities so close to pre-season.
The article says: ''Hyypia will have the power to approve or veto potential signings from lists compiled by Burke’s recruitment team, as well as making his own recommendations''.
What if Sami doesn't like any of the players on the lists?
Will the lists be torn up, so that Sami can select his own players?
I don't think so, and I don't think Sami would rock the boat to that degree.
If extensive background work has already been done on players, it can be reasonably assumed that the majority of players we sign will will be as a result of appearing on those lists. Sami having the power to make his own recommendations is nothing more than a token gesture, if that is the case.
So we are relying on the expertise of David Burke,and his scouting network to produce the right players for the Club. How many players will have been identified and researched for each required position? Ten? Five? Two?
The figure is more likely to be nearer two, so it could be a case of Sami selecting either player 'A' or player 'B' for each position. Sami says he is content to leave the background work on identifying targets to David Burke and his team, so we are not likely to see any players arriving from Germany or Liverpool via Sami's contacts. There would not be enough time for adequate background work to be done anyway.
This is the system that is in place, and we have to accept that, but it has been the subject of much heated debate on this forum, so I am just trying to throw some light on how extensive Sami's influence regarding rercruitment will actually be.
All the evidence seems to lead to the conclusion that Sami will be doing little more than coaching the team.
We need to get some players in, and quickly, so it makes sense for work identifying potential transfer targets to have been done before the Manager was appointed. It would be unrealistic for Sami to take on those responsibilities so close to pre-season. The article says: ''Hyypia will have the power to approve or veto potential signings from lists compiled by Burke’s recruitment team, as well as making his own recommendations''. What if Sami doesn't like any of the players on the lists? Will the lists be torn up, so that Sami can select his own players? I don't think so, and I don't think Sami would rock the boat to that degree. If extensive background work has already been done on players, it can be reasonably assumed that the majority of players we sign will will be as a result of appearing on those lists. Sami having the power to make his own recommendations is nothing more than a token gesture, if that is the case. So we are relying on the expertise of David Burke,and his scouting network to produce the right players for the Club. How many players will have been identified and researched for each required position? Ten? Five? Two? The figure is more likely to be nearer two, so it could be a case of Sami selecting either player 'A' or player 'B' for each position. Sami says he is content to leave the background work on identifying targets to David Burke and his team, so we are not likely to see any players arriving from Germany or Liverpool via Sami's contacts. There would not be enough time for adequate background work to be done anyway. This is the system that is in place, and we have to accept that, but it has been the subject of much heated debate on this forum, so I am just trying to throw some light on how extensive Sami's influence regarding rercruitment will actually be. All the evidence seems to lead to the conclusion that Sami will be doing little more than coaching the team. gordongull
  • Score: -2

8:46pm Tue 17 Jun 14

Cockwomble says...

Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Cockwomble wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Cockwomble wrote:
pte wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
There should be no Burke team input, too many cooks spoiling the broth at Albion. Let the manager do the job, it is all being done wrong.
That's you're opinion, although i don't agree with it.
In the modern game, there is so much for the 'manager' to think about, support staff are an inevitable consequence.
In the past, you had a manager and a trainer and that was it. Now, you have an assistant, a first team coach, specialist coaches, physios, video analysts, agents and a growing preference for Directors Of Football.
It's all about sharing the load but in all cases of selection, our club has made it clear the manager has the casting vote AND the ability to select for himself.
Unless you want to go back to sheepskin coats, buckets of cold water and sponges, I really don't see the problem....
Too many conflicting opinions between the staff leading to tensions and walkouts as per Gus and Oscar resulting in a indifferent team. The set up has been proven not to work and it is taking far too ling to sign players. Get rid of the set up all it needs is Sami and Nathan Jones, not a bunch of suits throwing spanners in the works. We are already missing out on signings while all this goes on.
Two things:
How do you know suits are throwing spanners in the works?
In terms of signings, who have we missed out on?
We've lost a manager these last 2 years because of conflicts with the suits over ambition and budget and player recruitment. The club feels life it's been taken away from the supporters by these people and we are told so little about what's happening all the time. Maybe the answer is a fans representative on the board to keep things in check and see what is going on. Fulham bid 5 million for Ross McCormack, that could have been us so there's a good signing missed out on. Everyday there are players being linked to clubs but never the Albion, it's far too quiet for my liking. We only just limped into the play offs last season and limped straight back out with a squad not good enough. If not careful we won't even manage that this time round. It's all about signing up the quality now, the sooner the better. If it costs money it costs money.
We should have an anti suits protest.

We all turn up at the first match all wearing a suit
without the suits who would run the club?cockwomble
It is not a case of being against the suits per se, but more of too many suits taking control of everything which generates uneasiness. This happens at financial institutions and businesses the world over, creating a barrier between "them and us". When there is too much meddling in affairs it does not benefit the team or supporters and this has definitely happened at the Albion up to now, if the suits were to step back and be more open about everything at the club we would all feel better and more positive. Too often it feels like it's closed doors and silences. Again, a fans representative group on the board would be a good thing for all.
give examples of meddling.suits doing the jobs of others.pb does the money.db does the recruitment.wheres the meddling.cockwomble
Every single player the club has signed under the current system, they all had to be handled by other people than the manager, unnecessary meddling every time. No wonder our recent transfer windows have been so quiet.
meddling or taking the workload off the manager?all clubs do it even if they dont have dof.horses for courses.gets used to it.rome wasnt built in a day.you cant make an omlette without breaking eggs.many a muckle makes a muckle.cockwomble
[quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cockwomble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cockwomble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: There should be no Burke team input, too many cooks spoiling the broth at Albion. Let the manager do the job, it is all being done wrong.[/p][/quote]That's you're opinion, although i don't agree with it. In the modern game, there is so much for the 'manager' to think about, support staff are an inevitable consequence. In the past, you had a manager and a trainer and that was it. Now, you have an assistant, a first team coach, specialist coaches, physios, video analysts, agents and a growing preference for Directors Of Football. It's all about sharing the load but in all cases of selection, our club has made it clear the manager has the casting vote AND the ability to select for himself. Unless you want to go back to sheepskin coats, buckets of cold water and sponges, I really don't see the problem....[/p][/quote]Too many conflicting opinions between the staff leading to tensions and walkouts as per Gus and Oscar resulting in a indifferent team. The set up has been proven not to work and it is taking far too ling to sign players. Get rid of the set up all it needs is Sami and Nathan Jones, not a bunch of suits throwing spanners in the works. We are already missing out on signings while all this goes on.[/p][/quote]Two things: How do you know suits are throwing spanners in the works? In terms of signings, who have we missed out on?[/p][/quote]We've lost a manager these last 2 years because of conflicts with the suits over ambition and budget and player recruitment. The club feels life it's been taken away from the supporters by these people and we are told so little about what's happening all the time. Maybe the answer is a fans representative on the board to keep things in check and see what is going on. Fulham bid 5 million for Ross McCormack, that could have been us so there's a good signing missed out on. Everyday there are players being linked to clubs but never the Albion, it's far too quiet for my liking. We only just limped into the play offs last season and limped straight back out with a squad not good enough. If not careful we won't even manage that this time round. It's all about signing up the quality now, the sooner the better. If it costs money it costs money.[/p][/quote]We should have an anti suits protest. We all turn up at the first match all wearing a suit[/p][/quote]without the suits who would run the club?cockwomble[/p][/quote]It is not a case of being against the suits per se, but more of too many suits taking control of everything which generates uneasiness. This happens at financial institutions and businesses the world over, creating a barrier between "them and us". When there is too much meddling in affairs it does not benefit the team or supporters and this has definitely happened at the Albion up to now, if the suits were to step back and be more open about everything at the club we would all feel better and more positive. Too often it feels like it's closed doors and silences. Again, a fans representative group on the board would be a good thing for all.[/p][/quote]give examples of meddling.suits doing the jobs of others.pb does the money.db does the recruitment.wheres the meddling.cockwomble[/p][/quote]Every single player the club has signed under the current system, they all had to be handled by other people than the manager, unnecessary meddling every time. No wonder our recent transfer windows have been so quiet.[/p][/quote]meddling or taking the workload off the manager?all clubs do it even if they dont have dof.horses for courses.gets used to it.rome wasnt built in a day.you cant make an omlette without breaking eggs.many a muckle makes a muckle.cockwomble Cockwomble
  • Score: 2

8:50pm Tue 17 Jun 14

the taffster says...

pjwilk wrote:
the taffster wrote:
Here we go....hypia is employed as a yes man with little power to over rule or get in the players HE WANTS. Get out of the club Burke before you take us down...
All our trouble with finance recruitment management dis harmony started when they employed Burke ant the other B.And nothing will change until both are sacked.Ask Dick Knight.
Totally agree.surely hypia should create a list of targets and give them to Burke...not the other way round...I've never heard of such an arrangement... That's why poyet and Oscar left because their hands were tied and all you sheep out there think its OK for Burke to choose transfer targets.....doomed for failure...PS I've supported this club for 40 years but along with the last 2 managers I don't like the way its run.
[quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the taffster[/bold] wrote: Here we go....hypia is employed as a yes man with little power to over rule or get in the players HE WANTS. Get out of the club Burke before you take us down...[/p][/quote]All our trouble with finance recruitment management dis harmony started when they employed Burke ant the other B.And nothing will change until both are sacked.Ask Dick Knight.[/p][/quote]Totally agree.surely hypia should create a list of targets and give them to Burke...not the other way round...I've never heard of such an arrangement... That's why poyet and Oscar left because their hands were tied and all you sheep out there think its OK for Burke to choose transfer targets.....doomed for failure...PS I've supported this club for 40 years but along with the last 2 managers I don't like the way its run. the taffster
  • Score: -2

9:04pm Tue 17 Jun 14

Mayfield sweeper says...

Cockwomble wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Cockwomble wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Cockwomble wrote:
pte wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
There should be no Burke team input, too many cooks spoiling the broth at Albion. Let the manager do the job, it is all being done wrong.
That's you're opinion, although i don't agree with it.
In the modern game, there is so much for the 'manager' to think about, support staff are an inevitable consequence.
In the past, you had a manager and a trainer and that was it. Now, you have an assistant, a first team coach, specialist coaches, physios, video analysts, agents and a growing preference for Directors Of Football.
It's all about sharing the load but in all cases of selection, our club has made it clear the manager has the casting vote AND the ability to select for himself.
Unless you want to go back to sheepskin coats, buckets of cold water and sponges, I really don't see the problem....
Too many conflicting opinions between the staff leading to tensions and walkouts as per Gus and Oscar resulting in a indifferent team. The set up has been proven not to work and it is taking far too ling to sign players. Get rid of the set up all it needs is Sami and Nathan Jones, not a bunch of suits throwing spanners in the works. We are already missing out on signings while all this goes on.
Two things:
How do you know suits are throwing spanners in the works?
In terms of signings, who have we missed out on?
We've lost a manager these last 2 years because of conflicts with the suits over ambition and budget and player recruitment. The club feels life it's been taken away from the supporters by these people and we are told so little about what's happening all the time. Maybe the answer is a fans representative on the board to keep things in check and see what is going on. Fulham bid 5 million for Ross McCormack, that could have been us so there's a good signing missed out on. Everyday there are players being linked to clubs but never the Albion, it's far too quiet for my liking. We only just limped into the play offs last season and limped straight back out with a squad not good enough. If not careful we won't even manage that this time round. It's all about signing up the quality now, the sooner the better. If it costs money it costs money.
We should have an anti suits protest.

We all turn up at the first match all wearing a suit
without the suits who would run the club?cockwomble
It is not a case of being against the suits per se, but more of too many suits taking control of everything which generates uneasiness. This happens at financial institutions and businesses the world over, creating a barrier between "them and us". When there is too much meddling in affairs it does not benefit the team or supporters and this has definitely happened at the Albion up to now, if the suits were to step back and be more open about everything at the club we would all feel better and more positive. Too often it feels like it's closed doors and silences. Again, a fans representative group on the board would be a good thing for all.
give examples of meddling.suits doing the jobs of others.pb does the money.db does the recruitment.wheres the meddling.cockwomble
Every single player the club has signed under the current system, they all had to be handled by other people than the manager, unnecessary meddling every time. No wonder our recent transfer windows have been so quiet.
meddling or taking the workload off the manager?all clubs do it even if they dont have dof.horses for courses.gets used to it.rome wasnt built in a day.you cant make an omlette without breaking eggs.many a muckle makes a muckle.cockwomble
No cockwomble the way our club is run is not right with all that interference. Whatever a 'muckke' is is of no help at all. We need a manager doing his job without meddling, end of.
[quote][p][bold]Cockwomble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cockwomble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cockwomble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: There should be no Burke team input, too many cooks spoiling the broth at Albion. Let the manager do the job, it is all being done wrong.[/p][/quote]That's you're opinion, although i don't agree with it. In the modern game, there is so much for the 'manager' to think about, support staff are an inevitable consequence. In the past, you had a manager and a trainer and that was it. Now, you have an assistant, a first team coach, specialist coaches, physios, video analysts, agents and a growing preference for Directors Of Football. It's all about sharing the load but in all cases of selection, our club has made it clear the manager has the casting vote AND the ability to select for himself. Unless you want to go back to sheepskin coats, buckets of cold water and sponges, I really don't see the problem....[/p][/quote]Too many conflicting opinions between the staff leading to tensions and walkouts as per Gus and Oscar resulting in a indifferent team. The set up has been proven not to work and it is taking far too ling to sign players. Get rid of the set up all it needs is Sami and Nathan Jones, not a bunch of suits throwing spanners in the works. We are already missing out on signings while all this goes on.[/p][/quote]Two things: How do you know suits are throwing spanners in the works? In terms of signings, who have we missed out on?[/p][/quote]We've lost a manager these last 2 years because of conflicts with the suits over ambition and budget and player recruitment. The club feels life it's been taken away from the supporters by these people and we are told so little about what's happening all the time. Maybe the answer is a fans representative on the board to keep things in check and see what is going on. Fulham bid 5 million for Ross McCormack, that could have been us so there's a good signing missed out on. Everyday there are players being linked to clubs but never the Albion, it's far too quiet for my liking. We only just limped into the play offs last season and limped straight back out with a squad not good enough. If not careful we won't even manage that this time round. It's all about signing up the quality now, the sooner the better. If it costs money it costs money.[/p][/quote]We should have an anti suits protest. We all turn up at the first match all wearing a suit[/p][/quote]without the suits who would run the club?cockwomble[/p][/quote]It is not a case of being against the suits per se, but more of too many suits taking control of everything which generates uneasiness. This happens at financial institutions and businesses the world over, creating a barrier between "them and us". When there is too much meddling in affairs it does not benefit the team or supporters and this has definitely happened at the Albion up to now, if the suits were to step back and be more open about everything at the club we would all feel better and more positive. Too often it feels like it's closed doors and silences. Again, a fans representative group on the board would be a good thing for all.[/p][/quote]give examples of meddling.suits doing the jobs of others.pb does the money.db does the recruitment.wheres the meddling.cockwomble[/p][/quote]Every single player the club has signed under the current system, they all had to be handled by other people than the manager, unnecessary meddling every time. No wonder our recent transfer windows have been so quiet.[/p][/quote]meddling or taking the workload off the manager?all clubs do it even if they dont have dof.horses for courses.gets used to it.rome wasnt built in a day.you cant make an omlette without breaking eggs.many a muckle makes a muckle.cockwomble[/p][/quote]No cockwomble the way our club is run is not right with all that interference. Whatever a 'muckke' is is of no help at all. We need a manager doing his job without meddling, end of. Mayfield sweeper
  • Score: -3

9:17pm Tue 17 Jun 14

Cockwomble says...

Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Cockwomble wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Cockwomble wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Cockwomble wrote:
pte wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
There should be no Burke team input, too many cooks spoiling the broth at Albion. Let the manager do the job, it is all being done wrong.
That's you're opinion, although i don't agree with it.
In the modern game, there is so much for the 'manager' to think about, support staff are an inevitable consequence.
In the past, you had a manager and a trainer and that was it. Now, you have an assistant, a first team coach, specialist coaches, physios, video analysts, agents and a growing preference for Directors Of Football.
It's all about sharing the load but in all cases of selection, our club has made it clear the manager has the casting vote AND the ability to select for himself.
Unless you want to go back to sheepskin coats, buckets of cold water and sponges, I really don't see the problem....
Too many conflicting opinions between the staff leading to tensions and walkouts as per Gus and Oscar resulting in a indifferent team. The set up has been proven not to work and it is taking far too ling to sign players. Get rid of the set up all it needs is Sami and Nathan Jones, not a bunch of suits throwing spanners in the works. We are already missing out on signings while all this goes on.
Two things:
How do you know suits are throwing spanners in the works?
In terms of signings, who have we missed out on?
We've lost a manager these last 2 years because of conflicts with the suits over ambition and budget and player recruitment. The club feels life it's been taken away from the supporters by these people and we are told so little about what's happening all the time. Maybe the answer is a fans representative on the board to keep things in check and see what is going on. Fulham bid 5 million for Ross McCormack, that could have been us so there's a good signing missed out on. Everyday there are players being linked to clubs but never the Albion, it's far too quiet for my liking. We only just limped into the play offs last season and limped straight back out with a squad not good enough. If not careful we won't even manage that this time round. It's all about signing up the quality now, the sooner the better. If it costs money it costs money.
We should have an anti suits protest.

We all turn up at the first match all wearing a suit
without the suits who would run the club?cockwomble
It is not a case of being against the suits per se, but more of too many suits taking control of everything which generates uneasiness. This happens at financial institutions and businesses the world over, creating a barrier between "them and us". When there is too much meddling in affairs it does not benefit the team or supporters and this has definitely happened at the Albion up to now, if the suits were to step back and be more open about everything at the club we would all feel better and more positive. Too often it feels like it's closed doors and silences. Again, a fans representative group on the board would be a good thing for all.
give examples of meddling.suits doing the jobs of others.pb does the money.db does the recruitment.wheres the meddling.cockwomble
Every single player the club has signed under the current system, they all had to be handled by other people than the manager, unnecessary meddling every time. No wonder our recent transfer windows have been so quiet.
meddling or taking the workload off the manager?all clubs do it even if they dont have dof.horses for courses.gets used to it.rome wasnt built in a day.you cant make an omlette without breaking eggs.many a muckle makes a muckle.cockwomble
No cockwomble the way our club is run is not right with all that interference. Whatever a 'muckke' is is of no help at all. We need a manager doing his job without meddling, end of.
you have a very strange idea of meddling then.all clubs do it within different structures.even liverpool have someone who take weight of rogers.one man cant do it all.unless you want hypia to work 24 hours a day.cockwomble
[quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cockwomble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cockwomble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cockwomble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: There should be no Burke team input, too many cooks spoiling the broth at Albion. Let the manager do the job, it is all being done wrong.[/p][/quote]That's you're opinion, although i don't agree with it. In the modern game, there is so much for the 'manager' to think about, support staff are an inevitable consequence. In the past, you had a manager and a trainer and that was it. Now, you have an assistant, a first team coach, specialist coaches, physios, video analysts, agents and a growing preference for Directors Of Football. It's all about sharing the load but in all cases of selection, our club has made it clear the manager has the casting vote AND the ability to select for himself. Unless you want to go back to sheepskin coats, buckets of cold water and sponges, I really don't see the problem....[/p][/quote]Too many conflicting opinions between the staff leading to tensions and walkouts as per Gus and Oscar resulting in a indifferent team. The set up has been proven not to work and it is taking far too ling to sign players. Get rid of the set up all it needs is Sami and Nathan Jones, not a bunch of suits throwing spanners in the works. We are already missing out on signings while all this goes on.[/p][/quote]Two things: How do you know suits are throwing spanners in the works? In terms of signings, who have we missed out on?[/p][/quote]We've lost a manager these last 2 years because of conflicts with the suits over ambition and budget and player recruitment. The club feels life it's been taken away from the supporters by these people and we are told so little about what's happening all the time. Maybe the answer is a fans representative on the board to keep things in check and see what is going on. Fulham bid 5 million for Ross McCormack, that could have been us so there's a good signing missed out on. Everyday there are players being linked to clubs but never the Albion, it's far too quiet for my liking. We only just limped into the play offs last season and limped straight back out with a squad not good enough. If not careful we won't even manage that this time round. It's all about signing up the quality now, the sooner the better. If it costs money it costs money.[/p][/quote]We should have an anti suits protest. We all turn up at the first match all wearing a suit[/p][/quote]without the suits who would run the club?cockwomble[/p][/quote]It is not a case of being against the suits per se, but more of too many suits taking control of everything which generates uneasiness. This happens at financial institutions and businesses the world over, creating a barrier between "them and us". When there is too much meddling in affairs it does not benefit the team or supporters and this has definitely happened at the Albion up to now, if the suits were to step back and be more open about everything at the club we would all feel better and more positive. Too often it feels like it's closed doors and silences. Again, a fans representative group on the board would be a good thing for all.[/p][/quote]give examples of meddling.suits doing the jobs of others.pb does the money.db does the recruitment.wheres the meddling.cockwomble[/p][/quote]Every single player the club has signed under the current system, they all had to be handled by other people than the manager, unnecessary meddling every time. No wonder our recent transfer windows have been so quiet.[/p][/quote]meddling or taking the workload off the manager?all clubs do it even if they dont have dof.horses for courses.gets used to it.rome wasnt built in a day.you cant make an omlette without breaking eggs.many a muckle makes a muckle.cockwomble[/p][/quote]No cockwomble the way our club is run is not right with all that interference. Whatever a 'muckke' is is of no help at all. We need a manager doing his job without meddling, end of.[/p][/quote]you have a very strange idea of meddling then.all clubs do it within different structures.even liverpool have someone who take weight of rogers.one man cant do it all.unless you want hypia to work 24 hours a day.cockwomble Cockwomble
  • Score: 4

10:03pm Tue 17 Jun 14

ringtone says...

Cockwomble wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Cockwomble wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Cockwomble wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Cockwomble wrote:
pte wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
There should be no Burke team input, too many cooks spoiling the broth at Albion. Let the manager do the job, it is all being done wrong.
That's you're opinion, although i don't agree with it.
In the modern game, there is so much for the 'manager' to think about, support staff are an inevitable consequence.
In the past, you had a manager and a trainer and that was it. Now, you have an assistant, a first team coach, specialist coaches, physios, video analysts, agents and a growing preference for Directors Of Football.
It's all about sharing the load but in all cases of selection, our club has made it clear the manager has the casting vote AND the ability to select for himself.
Unless you want to go back to sheepskin coats, buckets of cold water and sponges, I really don't see the problem....
Too many conflicting opinions between the staff leading to tensions and walkouts as per Gus and Oscar resulting in a indifferent team. The set up has been proven not to work and it is taking far too ling to sign players. Get rid of the set up all it needs is Sami and Nathan Jones, not a bunch of suits throwing spanners in the works. We are already missing out on signings while all this goes on.
Two things:
How do you know suits are throwing spanners in the works?
In terms of signings, who have we missed out on?
We've lost a manager these last 2 years because of conflicts with the suits over ambition and budget and player recruitment. The club feels life it's been taken away from the supporters by these people and we are told so little about what's happening all the time. Maybe the answer is a fans representative on the board to keep things in check and see what is going on. Fulham bid 5 million for Ross McCormack, that could have been us so there's a good signing missed out on. Everyday there are players being linked to clubs but never the Albion, it's far too quiet for my liking. We only just limped into the play offs last season and limped straight back out with a squad not good enough. If not careful we won't even manage that this time round. It's all about signing up the quality now, the sooner the better. If it costs money it costs money.
We should have an anti suits protest.

We all turn up at the first match all wearing a suit
without the suits who would run the club?cockwomble
It is not a case of being against the suits per se, but more of too many suits taking control of everything which generates uneasiness. This happens at financial institutions and businesses the world over, creating a barrier between "them and us". When there is too much meddling in affairs it does not benefit the team or supporters and this has definitely happened at the Albion up to now, if the suits were to step back and be more open about everything at the club we would all feel better and more positive. Too often it feels like it's closed doors and silences. Again, a fans representative group on the board would be a good thing for all.
give examples of meddling.suits doing the jobs of others.pb does the money.db does the recruitment.wheres the meddling.cockwomble
Every single player the club has signed under the current system, they all had to be handled by other people than the manager, unnecessary meddling every time. No wonder our recent transfer windows have been so quiet.
meddling or taking the workload off the manager?all clubs do it even if they dont have dof.horses for courses.gets used to it.rome wasnt built in a day.you cant make an omlette without breaking eggs.many a muckle makes a muckle.cockwomble
No cockwomble the way our club is run is not right with all that interference. Whatever a 'muckke' is is of no help at all. We need a manager doing his job without meddling, end of.
you have a very strange idea of meddling then.all clubs do it within different structures.even liverpool have someone who take weight of rogers.one man cant do it all.unless you want hypia to work 24 hours a day.cockwomble
Cockwomble AKA ex pat Arnie,

Yes it sounds about right
[quote][p][bold]Cockwomble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cockwomble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cockwomble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cockwomble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: There should be no Burke team input, too many cooks spoiling the broth at Albion. Let the manager do the job, it is all being done wrong.[/p][/quote]That's you're opinion, although i don't agree with it. In the modern game, there is so much for the 'manager' to think about, support staff are an inevitable consequence. In the past, you had a manager and a trainer and that was it. Now, you have an assistant, a first team coach, specialist coaches, physios, video analysts, agents and a growing preference for Directors Of Football. It's all about sharing the load but in all cases of selection, our club has made it clear the manager has the casting vote AND the ability to select for himself. Unless you want to go back to sheepskin coats, buckets of cold water and sponges, I really don't see the problem....[/p][/quote]Too many conflicting opinions between the staff leading to tensions and walkouts as per Gus and Oscar resulting in a indifferent team. The set up has been proven not to work and it is taking far too ling to sign players. Get rid of the set up all it needs is Sami and Nathan Jones, not a bunch of suits throwing spanners in the works. We are already missing out on signings while all this goes on.[/p][/quote]Two things: How do you know suits are throwing spanners in the works? In terms of signings, who have we missed out on?[/p][/quote]We've lost a manager these last 2 years because of conflicts with the suits over ambition and budget and player recruitment. The club feels life it's been taken away from the supporters by these people and we are told so little about what's happening all the time. Maybe the answer is a fans representative on the board to keep things in check and see what is going on. Fulham bid 5 million for Ross McCormack, that could have been us so there's a good signing missed out on. Everyday there are players being linked to clubs but never the Albion, it's far too quiet for my liking. We only just limped into the play offs last season and limped straight back out with a squad not good enough. If not careful we won't even manage that this time round. It's all about signing up the quality now, the sooner the better. If it costs money it costs money.[/p][/quote]We should have an anti suits protest. We all turn up at the first match all wearing a suit[/p][/quote]without the suits who would run the club?cockwomble[/p][/quote]It is not a case of being against the suits per se, but more of too many suits taking control of everything which generates uneasiness. This happens at financial institutions and businesses the world over, creating a barrier between "them and us". When there is too much meddling in affairs it does not benefit the team or supporters and this has definitely happened at the Albion up to now, if the suits were to step back and be more open about everything at the club we would all feel better and more positive. Too often it feels like it's closed doors and silences. Again, a fans representative group on the board would be a good thing for all.[/p][/quote]give examples of meddling.suits doing the jobs of others.pb does the money.db does the recruitment.wheres the meddling.cockwomble[/p][/quote]Every single player the club has signed under the current system, they all had to be handled by other people than the manager, unnecessary meddling every time. No wonder our recent transfer windows have been so quiet.[/p][/quote]meddling or taking the workload off the manager?all clubs do it even if they dont have dof.horses for courses.gets used to it.rome wasnt built in a day.you cant make an omlette without breaking eggs.many a muckle makes a muckle.cockwomble[/p][/quote]No cockwomble the way our club is run is not right with all that interference. Whatever a 'muckke' is is of no help at all. We need a manager doing his job without meddling, end of.[/p][/quote]you have a very strange idea of meddling then.all clubs do it within different structures.even liverpool have someone who take weight of rogers.one man cant do it all.unless you want hypia to work 24 hours a day.cockwomble[/p][/quote]Cockwomble AKA ex pat Arnie, Yes it sounds about right ringtone
  • Score: -2

10:13pm Tue 17 Jun 14

ringtone says...

Cockwomble wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Cockwomble wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Cockwomble wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Cockwomble wrote:
pte wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
There should be no Burke team input, too many cooks spoiling the broth at Albion. Let the manager do the job, it is all being done wrong.
That's you're opinion, although i don't agree with it.
In the modern game, there is so much for the 'manager' to think about, support staff are an inevitable consequence.
In the past, you had a manager and a trainer and that was it. Now, you have an assistant, a first team coach, specialist coaches, physios, video analysts, agents and a growing preference for Directors Of Football.
It's all about sharing the load but in all cases of selection, our club has made it clear the manager has the casting vote AND the ability to select for himself.
Unless you want to go back to sheepskin coats, buckets of cold water and sponges, I really don't see the problem....
Too many conflicting opinions between the staff leading to tensions and walkouts as per Gus and Oscar resulting in a indifferent team. The set up has been proven not to work and it is taking far too ling to sign players. Get rid of the set up all it needs is Sami and Nathan Jones, not a bunch of suits throwing spanners in the works. We are already missing out on signings while all this goes on.
Two things:
How do you know suits are throwing spanners in the works?
In terms of signings, who have we missed out on?
We've lost a manager these last 2 years because of conflicts with the suits over ambition and budget and player recruitment. The club feels life it's been taken away from the supporters by these people and we are told so little about what's happening all the time. Maybe the answer is a fans representative on the board to keep things in check and see what is going on. Fulham bid 5 million for Ross McCormack, that could have been us so there's a good signing missed out on. Everyday there are players being linked to clubs but never the Albion, it's far too quiet for my liking. We only just limped into the play offs last season and limped straight back out with a squad not good enough. If not careful we won't even manage that this time round. It's all about signing up the quality now, the sooner the better. If it costs money it costs money.
We should have an anti suits protest.

We all turn up at the first match all wearing a suit
without the suits who would run the club?cockwomble
It is not a case of being against the suits per se, but more of too many suits taking control of everything which generates uneasiness. This happens at financial institutions and businesses the world over, creating a barrier between "them and us". When there is too much meddling in affairs it does not benefit the team or supporters and this has definitely happened at the Albion up to now, if the suits were to step back and be more open about everything at the club we would all feel better and more positive. Too often it feels like it's closed doors and silences. Again, a fans representative group on the board would be a good thing for all.
give examples of meddling.suits doing the jobs of others.pb does the money.db does the recruitment.wheres the meddling.cockwomble
Every single player the club has signed under the current system, they all had to be handled by other people than the manager, unnecessary meddling every time. No wonder our recent transfer windows have been so quiet.
meddling or taking the workload off the manager?all clubs do it even if they dont have dof.horses for courses.gets used to it.rome wasnt built in a day.you cant make an omlette without breaking eggs.many a muckle makes a muckle.cockwomble
No cockwomble the way our club is run is not right with all that interference. Whatever a 'muckke' is is of no help at all. We need a manager doing his job without meddling, end of.
you have a very strange idea of meddling then.all clubs do it within different structures.even liverpool have someone who take weight of rogers.one man cant do it all.unless you want hypia to work 24 hours a day.cockwomble
Note how it fights for its life to defend the club at every turn (classic arnie)and yes that watford shot was over the line,moron
[quote][p][bold]Cockwomble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cockwomble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cockwomble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cockwomble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: There should be no Burke team input, too many cooks spoiling the broth at Albion. Let the manager do the job, it is all being done wrong.[/p][/quote]That's you're opinion, although i don't agree with it. In the modern game, there is so much for the 'manager' to think about, support staff are an inevitable consequence. In the past, you had a manager and a trainer and that was it. Now, you have an assistant, a first team coach, specialist coaches, physios, video analysts, agents and a growing preference for Directors Of Football. It's all about sharing the load but in all cases of selection, our club has made it clear the manager has the casting vote AND the ability to select for himself. Unless you want to go back to sheepskin coats, buckets of cold water and sponges, I really don't see the problem....[/p][/quote]Too many conflicting opinions between the staff leading to tensions and walkouts as per Gus and Oscar resulting in a indifferent team. The set up has been proven not to work and it is taking far too ling to sign players. Get rid of the set up all it needs is Sami and Nathan Jones, not a bunch of suits throwing spanners in the works. We are already missing out on signings while all this goes on.[/p][/quote]Two things: How do you know suits are throwing spanners in the works? In terms of signings, who have we missed out on?[/p][/quote]We've lost a manager these last 2 years because of conflicts with the suits over ambition and budget and player recruitment. The club feels life it's been taken away from the supporters by these people and we are told so little about what's happening all the time. Maybe the answer is a fans representative on the board to keep things in check and see what is going on. Fulham bid 5 million for Ross McCormack, that could have been us so there's a good signing missed out on. Everyday there are players being linked to clubs but never the Albion, it's far too quiet for my liking. We only just limped into the play offs last season and limped straight back out with a squad not good enough. If not careful we won't even manage that this time round. It's all about signing up the quality now, the sooner the better. If it costs money it costs money.[/p][/quote]We should have an anti suits protest. We all turn up at the first match all wearing a suit[/p][/quote]without the suits who would run the club?cockwomble[/p][/quote]It is not a case of being against the suits per se, but more of too many suits taking control of everything which generates uneasiness. This happens at financial institutions and businesses the world over, creating a barrier between "them and us". When there is too much meddling in affairs it does not benefit the team or supporters and this has definitely happened at the Albion up to now, if the suits were to step back and be more open about everything at the club we would all feel better and more positive. Too often it feels like it's closed doors and silences. Again, a fans representative group on the board would be a good thing for all.[/p][/quote]give examples of meddling.suits doing the jobs of others.pb does the money.db does the recruitment.wheres the meddling.cockwomble[/p][/quote]Every single player the club has signed under the current system, they all had to be handled by other people than the manager, unnecessary meddling every time. No wonder our recent transfer windows have been so quiet.[/p][/quote]meddling or taking the workload off the manager?all clubs do it even if they dont have dof.horses for courses.gets used to it.rome wasnt built in a day.you cant make an omlette without breaking eggs.many a muckle makes a muckle.cockwomble[/p][/quote]No cockwomble the way our club is run is not right with all that interference. Whatever a 'muckke' is is of no help at all. We need a manager doing his job without meddling, end of.[/p][/quote]you have a very strange idea of meddling then.all clubs do it within different structures.even liverpool have someone who take weight of rogers.one man cant do it all.unless you want hypia to work 24 hours a day.cockwomble[/p][/quote]Note how it fights for its life to defend the club at every turn (classic arnie)and yes that watford shot was over the line,moron ringtone
  • Score: -3

10:19pm Tue 17 Jun 14

gordongull says...

Cockwomble wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Cockwomble wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Cockwomble wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Cockwomble wrote:
pte wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
There should be no Burke team input, too many cooks spoiling the broth at Albion. Let the manager do the job, it is all being done wrong.
That's you're opinion, although i don't agree with it.
In the modern game, there is so much for the 'manager' to think about, support staff are an inevitable consequence.
In the past, you had a manager and a trainer and that was it. Now, you have an assistant, a first team coach, specialist coaches, physios, video analysts, agents and a growing preference for Directors Of Football.
It's all about sharing the load but in all cases of selection, our club has made it clear the manager has the casting vote AND the ability to select for himself.
Unless you want to go back to sheepskin coats, buckets of cold water and sponges, I really don't see the problem....
Too many conflicting opinions between the staff leading to tensions and walkouts as per Gus and Oscar resulting in a indifferent team. The set up has been proven not to work and it is taking far too ling to sign players. Get rid of the set up all it needs is Sami and Nathan Jones, not a bunch of suits throwing spanners in the works. We are already missing out on signings while all this goes on.
Two things:
How do you know suits are throwing spanners in the works?
In terms of signings, who have we missed out on?
We've lost a manager these last 2 years because of conflicts with the suits over ambition and budget and player recruitment. The club feels life it's been taken away from the supporters by these people and we are told so little about what's happening all the time. Maybe the answer is a fans representative on the board to keep things in check and see what is going on. Fulham bid 5 million for Ross McCormack, that could have been us so there's a good signing missed out on. Everyday there are players being linked to clubs but never the Albion, it's far too quiet for my liking. We only just limped into the play offs last season and limped straight back out with a squad not good enough. If not careful we won't even manage that this time round. It's all about signing up the quality now, the sooner the better. If it costs money it costs money.
We should have an anti suits protest.

We all turn up at the first match all wearing a suit
without the suits who would run the club?cockwomble
It is not a case of being against the suits per se, but more of too many suits taking control of everything which generates uneasiness. This happens at financial institutions and businesses the world over, creating a barrier between "them and us". When there is too much meddling in affairs it does not benefit the team or supporters and this has definitely happened at the Albion up to now, if the suits were to step back and be more open about everything at the club we would all feel better and more positive. Too often it feels like it's closed doors and silences. Again, a fans representative group on the board would be a good thing for all.
give examples of meddling.suits doing the jobs of others.pb does the money.db does the recruitment.wheres the meddling.cockwomble
Every single player the club has signed under the current system, they all had to be handled by other people than the manager, unnecessary meddling every time. No wonder our recent transfer windows have been so quiet.
meddling or taking the workload off the manager?all clubs do it even if they dont have dof.horses for courses.gets used to it.rome wasnt built in a day.you cant make an omlette without breaking eggs.many a muckle makes a muckle.cockwomble
No cockwomble the way our club is run is not right with all that interference. Whatever a 'muckke' is is of no help at all. We need a manager doing his job without meddling, end of.
you have a very strange idea of meddling then.all clubs do it within different structures.even liverpool have someone who take weight of rogers.one man cant do it all.unless you want hypia to work 24 hours a day.cockwomble
OK, fine, Make Hyypia the boss, and if if Burke is so good at his job, appoint him as one of Sami's staff, identifying players and reporting back to Sami.
I get tired of explaining this to people: Managers don't do it all by themselves. They delegate to staff, who report back to them. That is what Managers do, but it is not what Sami is going to be doing.
[quote][p][bold]Cockwomble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cockwomble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cockwomble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cockwomble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: There should be no Burke team input, too many cooks spoiling the broth at Albion. Let the manager do the job, it is all being done wrong.[/p][/quote]That's you're opinion, although i don't agree with it. In the modern game, there is so much for the 'manager' to think about, support staff are an inevitable consequence. In the past, you had a manager and a trainer and that was it. Now, you have an assistant, a first team coach, specialist coaches, physios, video analysts, agents and a growing preference for Directors Of Football. It's all about sharing the load but in all cases of selection, our club has made it clear the manager has the casting vote AND the ability to select for himself. Unless you want to go back to sheepskin coats, buckets of cold water and sponges, I really don't see the problem....[/p][/quote]Too many conflicting opinions between the staff leading to tensions and walkouts as per Gus and Oscar resulting in a indifferent team. The set up has been proven not to work and it is taking far too ling to sign players. Get rid of the set up all it needs is Sami and Nathan Jones, not a bunch of suits throwing spanners in the works. We are already missing out on signings while all this goes on.[/p][/quote]Two things: How do you know suits are throwing spanners in the works? In terms of signings, who have we missed out on?[/p][/quote]We've lost a manager these last 2 years because of conflicts with the suits over ambition and budget and player recruitment. The club feels life it's been taken away from the supporters by these people and we are told so little about what's happening all the time. Maybe the answer is a fans representative on the board to keep things in check and see what is going on. Fulham bid 5 million for Ross McCormack, that could have been us so there's a good signing missed out on. Everyday there are players being linked to clubs but never the Albion, it's far too quiet for my liking. We only just limped into the play offs last season and limped straight back out with a squad not good enough. If not careful we won't even manage that this time round. It's all about signing up the quality now, the sooner the better. If it costs money it costs money.[/p][/quote]We should have an anti suits protest. We all turn up at the first match all wearing a suit[/p][/quote]without the suits who would run the club?cockwomble[/p][/quote]It is not a case of being against the suits per se, but more of too many suits taking control of everything which generates uneasiness. This happens at financial institutions and businesses the world over, creating a barrier between "them and us". When there is too much meddling in affairs it does not benefit the team or supporters and this has definitely happened at the Albion up to now, if the suits were to step back and be more open about everything at the club we would all feel better and more positive. Too often it feels like it's closed doors and silences. Again, a fans representative group on the board would be a good thing for all.[/p][/quote]give examples of meddling.suits doing the jobs of others.pb does the money.db does the recruitment.wheres the meddling.cockwomble[/p][/quote]Every single player the club has signed under the current system, they all had to be handled by other people than the manager, unnecessary meddling every time. No wonder our recent transfer windows have been so quiet.[/p][/quote]meddling or taking the workload off the manager?all clubs do it even if they dont have dof.horses for courses.gets used to it.rome wasnt built in a day.you cant make an omlette without breaking eggs.many a muckle makes a muckle.cockwomble[/p][/quote]No cockwomble the way our club is run is not right with all that interference. Whatever a 'muckke' is is of no help at all. We need a manager doing his job without meddling, end of.[/p][/quote]you have a very strange idea of meddling then.all clubs do it within different structures.even liverpool have someone who take weight of rogers.one man cant do it all.unless you want hypia to work 24 hours a day.cockwomble[/p][/quote]OK, fine, Make Hyypia the boss, and if if Burke is so good at his job, appoint him as one of Sami's staff, identifying players and reporting back to Sami. I get tired of explaining this to people: Managers don't do it all by themselves. They delegate to staff, who report back to them. That is what Managers do, but it is not what Sami is going to be doing. gordongull
  • Score: 0

10:27pm Tue 17 Jun 14

ringtone says...

gordongull wrote:
Cockwomble wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Cockwomble wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Cockwomble wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Cockwomble wrote:
pte wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
There should be no Burke team input, too many cooks spoiling the broth at Albion. Let the manager do the job, it is all being done wrong.
That's you're opinion, although i don't agree with it.
In the modern game, there is so much for the 'manager' to think about, support staff are an inevitable consequence.
In the past, you had a manager and a trainer and that was it. Now, you have an assistant, a first team coach, specialist coaches, physios, video analysts, agents and a growing preference for Directors Of Football.
It's all about sharing the load but in all cases of selection, our club has made it clear the manager has the casting vote AND the ability to select for himself.
Unless you want to go back to sheepskin coats, buckets of cold water and sponges, I really don't see the problem....
Too many conflicting opinions between the staff leading to tensions and walkouts as per Gus and Oscar resulting in a indifferent team. The set up has been proven not to work and it is taking far too ling to sign players. Get rid of the set up all it needs is Sami and Nathan Jones, not a bunch of suits throwing spanners in the works. We are already missing out on signings while all this goes on.
Two things:
How do you know suits are throwing spanners in the works?
In terms of signings, who have we missed out on?
We've lost a manager these last 2 years because of conflicts with the suits over ambition and budget and player recruitment. The club feels life it's been taken away from the supporters by these people and we are told so little about what's happening all the time. Maybe the answer is a fans representative on the board to keep things in check and see what is going on. Fulham bid 5 million for Ross McCormack, that could have been us so there's a good signing missed out on. Everyday there are players being linked to clubs but never the Albion, it's far too quiet for my liking. We only just limped into the play offs last season and limped straight back out with a squad not good enough. If not careful we won't even manage that this time round. It's all about signing up the quality now, the sooner the better. If it costs money it costs money.
We should have an anti suits protest.

We all turn up at the first match all wearing a suit
without the suits who would run the club?cockwomble
It is not a case of being against the suits per se, but more of too many suits taking control of everything which generates uneasiness. This happens at financial institutions and businesses the world over, creating a barrier between "them and us". When there is too much meddling in affairs it does not benefit the team or supporters and this has definitely happened at the Albion up to now, if the suits were to step back and be more open about everything at the club we would all feel better and more positive. Too often it feels like it's closed doors and silences. Again, a fans representative group on the board would be a good thing for all.
give examples of meddling.suits doing the jobs of others.pb does the money.db does the recruitment.wheres the meddling.cockwomble
Every single player the club has signed under the current system, they all had to be handled by other people than the manager, unnecessary meddling every time. No wonder our recent transfer windows have been so quiet.
meddling or taking the workload off the manager?all clubs do it even if they dont have dof.horses for courses.gets used to it.rome wasnt built in a day.you cant make an omlette without breaking eggs.many a muckle makes a muckle.cockwomble
No cockwomble the way our club is run is not right with all that interference. Whatever a 'muckke' is is of no help at all. We need a manager doing his job without meddling, end of.
you have a very strange idea of meddling then.all clubs do it within different structures.even liverpool have someone who take weight of rogers.one man cant do it all.unless you want hypia to work 24 hours a day.cockwomble
OK, fine, Make Hyypia the boss, and if if Burke is so good at his job, appoint him as one of Sami's staff, identifying players and reporting back to Sami.
I get tired of explaining this to people: Managers don't do it all by themselves. They delegate to staff, who report back to them. That is what Managers do, but it is not what Sami is going to be doing.
Somebody said people like burke are just the fall guy so the chairman can have his input into team affairs by selecting players.

I think this is a terrible thing to say and would never happen at our great club?
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cockwomble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cockwomble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cockwomble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cockwomble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: There should be no Burke team input, too many cooks spoiling the broth at Albion. Let the manager do the job, it is all being done wrong.[/p][/quote]That's you're opinion, although i don't agree with it. In the modern game, there is so much for the 'manager' to think about, support staff are an inevitable consequence. In the past, you had a manager and a trainer and that was it. Now, you have an assistant, a first team coach, specialist coaches, physios, video analysts, agents and a growing preference for Directors Of Football. It's all about sharing the load but in all cases of selection, our club has made it clear the manager has the casting vote AND the ability to select for himself. Unless you want to go back to sheepskin coats, buckets of cold water and sponges, I really don't see the problem....[/p][/quote]Too many conflicting opinions between the staff leading to tensions and walkouts as per Gus and Oscar resulting in a indifferent team. The set up has been proven not to work and it is taking far too ling to sign players. Get rid of the set up all it needs is Sami and Nathan Jones, not a bunch of suits throwing spanners in the works. We are already missing out on signings while all this goes on.[/p][/quote]Two things: How do you know suits are throwing spanners in the works? In terms of signings, who have we missed out on?[/p][/quote]We've lost a manager these last 2 years because of conflicts with the suits over ambition and budget and player recruitment. The club feels life it's been taken away from the supporters by these people and we are told so little about what's happening all the time. Maybe the answer is a fans representative on the board to keep things in check and see what is going on. Fulham bid 5 million for Ross McCormack, that could have been us so there's a good signing missed out on. Everyday there are players being linked to clubs but never the Albion, it's far too quiet for my liking. We only just limped into the play offs last season and limped straight back out with a squad not good enough. If not careful we won't even manage that this time round. It's all about signing up the quality now, the sooner the better. If it costs money it costs money.[/p][/quote]We should have an anti suits protest. We all turn up at the first match all wearing a suit[/p][/quote]without the suits who would run the club?cockwomble[/p][/quote]It is not a case of being against the suits per se, but more of too many suits taking control of everything which generates uneasiness. This happens at financial institutions and businesses the world over, creating a barrier between "them and us". When there is too much meddling in affairs it does not benefit the team or supporters and this has definitely happened at the Albion up to now, if the suits were to step back and be more open about everything at the club we would all feel better and more positive. Too often it feels like it's closed doors and silences. Again, a fans representative group on the board would be a good thing for all.[/p][/quote]give examples of meddling.suits doing the jobs of others.pb does the money.db does the recruitment.wheres the meddling.cockwomble[/p][/quote]Every single player the club has signed under the current system, they all had to be handled by other people than the manager, unnecessary meddling every time. No wonder our recent transfer windows have been so quiet.[/p][/quote]meddling or taking the workload off the manager?all clubs do it even if they dont have dof.horses for courses.gets used to it.rome wasnt built in a day.you cant make an omlette without breaking eggs.many a muckle makes a muckle.cockwomble[/p][/quote]No cockwomble the way our club is run is not right with all that interference. Whatever a 'muckke' is is of no help at all. We need a manager doing his job without meddling, end of.[/p][/quote]you have a very strange idea of meddling then.all clubs do it within different structures.even liverpool have someone who take weight of rogers.one man cant do it all.unless you want hypia to work 24 hours a day.cockwomble[/p][/quote]OK, fine, Make Hyypia the boss, and if if Burke is so good at his job, appoint him as one of Sami's staff, identifying players and reporting back to Sami. I get tired of explaining this to people: Managers don't do it all by themselves. They delegate to staff, who report back to them. That is what Managers do, but it is not what Sami is going to be doing.[/p][/quote]Somebody said people like burke are just the fall guy so the chairman can have his input into team affairs by selecting players. I think this is a terrible thing to say and would never happen at our great club? ringtone
  • Score: -3

11:05pm Tue 17 Jun 14

Cockwomble says...

ringtone wrote:
Cockwomble wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Cockwomble wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Cockwomble wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Cockwomble wrote:
pte wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
There should be no Burke team input, too many cooks spoiling the broth at Albion. Let the manager do the job, it is all being done wrong.
That's you're opinion, although i don't agree with it.
In the modern game, there is so much for the 'manager' to think about, support staff are an inevitable consequence.
In the past, you had a manager and a trainer and that was it. Now, you have an assistant, a first team coach, specialist coaches, physios, video analysts, agents and a growing preference for Directors Of Football.
It's all about sharing the load but in all cases of selection, our club has made it clear the manager has the casting vote AND the ability to select for himself.
Unless you want to go back to sheepskin coats, buckets of cold water and sponges, I really don't see the problem....
Too many conflicting opinions between the staff leading to tensions and walkouts as per Gus and Oscar resulting in a indifferent team. The set up has been proven not to work and it is taking far too ling to sign players. Get rid of the set up all it needs is Sami and Nathan Jones, not a bunch of suits throwing spanners in the works. We are already missing out on signings while all this goes on.
Two things:
How do you know suits are throwing spanners in the works?
In terms of signings, who have we missed out on?
We've lost a manager these last 2 years because of conflicts with the suits over ambition and budget and player recruitment. The club feels life it's been taken away from the supporters by these people and we are told so little about what's happening all the time. Maybe the answer is a fans representative on the board to keep things in check and see what is going on. Fulham bid 5 million for Ross McCormack, that could have been us so there's a good signing missed out on. Everyday there are players being linked to clubs but never the Albion, it's far too quiet for my liking. We only just limped into the play offs last season and limped straight back out with a squad not good enough. If not careful we won't even manage that this time round. It's all about signing up the quality now, the sooner the better. If it costs money it costs money.
We should have an anti suits protest.

We all turn up at the first match all wearing a suit
without the suits who would run the club?cockwomble
It is not a case of being against the suits per se, but more of too many suits taking control of everything which generates uneasiness. This happens at financial institutions and businesses the world over, creating a barrier between "them and us". When there is too much meddling in affairs it does not benefit the team or supporters and this has definitely happened at the Albion up to now, if the suits were to step back and be more open about everything at the club we would all feel better and more positive. Too often it feels like it's closed doors and silences. Again, a fans representative group on the board would be a good thing for all.
give examples of meddling.suits doing the jobs of others.pb does the money.db does the recruitment.wheres the meddling.cockwomble
Every single player the club has signed under the current system, they all had to be handled by other people than the manager, unnecessary meddling every time. No wonder our recent transfer windows have been so quiet.
meddling or taking the workload off the manager?all clubs do it even if they dont have dof.horses for courses.gets used to it.rome wasnt built in a day.you cant make an omlette without breaking eggs.many a muckle makes a muckle.cockwomble
No cockwomble the way our club is run is not right with all that interference. Whatever a 'muckke' is is of no help at all. We need a manager doing his job without meddling, end of.
you have a very strange idea of meddling then.all clubs do it within different structures.even liverpool have someone who take weight of rogers.one man cant do it all.unless you want hypia to work 24 hours a day.cockwomble
Cockwomble AKA ex pat Arnie,

Yes it sounds about right
no just a fan.you should try it some time cockwomble.arnie is a cockwomble.oscar was a cockwomble.as is jones.but mostly you.
[quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cockwomble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cockwomble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cockwomble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cockwomble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: There should be no Burke team input, too many cooks spoiling the broth at Albion. Let the manager do the job, it is all being done wrong.[/p][/quote]That's you're opinion, although i don't agree with it. In the modern game, there is so much for the 'manager' to think about, support staff are an inevitable consequence. In the past, you had a manager and a trainer and that was it. Now, you have an assistant, a first team coach, specialist coaches, physios, video analysts, agents and a growing preference for Directors Of Football. It's all about sharing the load but in all cases of selection, our club has made it clear the manager has the casting vote AND the ability to select for himself. Unless you want to go back to sheepskin coats, buckets of cold water and sponges, I really don't see the problem....[/p][/quote]Too many conflicting opinions between the staff leading to tensions and walkouts as per Gus and Oscar resulting in a indifferent team. The set up has been proven not to work and it is taking far too ling to sign players. Get rid of the set up all it needs is Sami and Nathan Jones, not a bunch of suits throwing spanners in the works. We are already missing out on signings while all this goes on.[/p][/quote]Two things: How do you know suits are throwing spanners in the works? In terms of signings, who have we missed out on?[/p][/quote]We've lost a manager these last 2 years because of conflicts with the suits over ambition and budget and player recruitment. The club feels life it's been taken away from the supporters by these people and we are told so little about what's happening all the time. Maybe the answer is a fans representative on the board to keep things in check and see what is going on. Fulham bid 5 million for Ross McCormack, that could have been us so there's a good signing missed out on. Everyday there are players being linked to clubs but never the Albion, it's far too quiet for my liking. We only just limped into the play offs last season and limped straight back out with a squad not good enough. If not careful we won't even manage that this time round. It's all about signing up the quality now, the sooner the better. If it costs money it costs money.[/p][/quote]We should have an anti suits protest. We all turn up at the first match all wearing a suit[/p][/quote]without the suits who would run the club?cockwomble[/p][/quote]It is not a case of being against the suits per se, but more of too many suits taking control of everything which generates uneasiness. This happens at financial institutions and businesses the world over, creating a barrier between "them and us". When there is too much meddling in affairs it does not benefit the team or supporters and this has definitely happened at the Albion up to now, if the suits were to step back and be more open about everything at the club we would all feel better and more positive. Too often it feels like it's closed doors and silences. Again, a fans representative group on the board would be a good thing for all.[/p][/quote]give examples of meddling.suits doing the jobs of others.pb does the money.db does the recruitment.wheres the meddling.cockwomble[/p][/quote]Every single player the club has signed under the current system, they all had to be handled by other people than the manager, unnecessary meddling every time. No wonder our recent transfer windows have been so quiet.[/p][/quote]meddling or taking the workload off the manager?all clubs do it even if they dont have dof.horses for courses.gets used to it.rome wasnt built in a day.you cant make an omlette without breaking eggs.many a muckle makes a muckle.cockwomble[/p][/quote]No cockwomble the way our club is run is not right with all that interference. Whatever a 'muckke' is is of no help at all. We need a manager doing his job without meddling, end of.[/p][/quote]you have a very strange idea of meddling then.all clubs do it within different structures.even liverpool have someone who take weight of rogers.one man cant do it all.unless you want hypia to work 24 hours a day.cockwomble[/p][/quote]Cockwomble AKA ex pat Arnie, Yes it sounds about right[/p][/quote]no just a fan.you should try it some time cockwomble.arnie is a cockwomble.oscar was a cockwomble.as is jones.but mostly you. Cockwomble
  • Score: 0

2:30am Wed 18 Jun 14

Oscar's Chin says...

B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
the taffster says...

Here we go....hypia is employed as a yes man with little power to over rule or get in the players HE WANTS. Get out of the club Burke before you take us down...

An ignorant, ill informed comment which is frankly insulting to the new manager. As he has only just arrived at the club one can only speculate as to why certain individuals on here are already taking pot shots at him.
How do you know that he is a 'yes man' ? Have you ever met him ? Do you think that Liverpool - one of England's finest clubs appointed as their club captain a craven, mindless individual with no personal resolve?
Honestly, some of the comments on here are made by people who are of low intelligence - or worse are trolls from Croydon. 'Taffsters' remarks suggest that he is both.
Without doubt.

Also nice use of the word 'craven'. I like that.
[quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: the taffster says... Here we go....hypia is employed as a yes man with little power to over rule or get in the players HE WANTS. Get out of the club Burke before you take us down... An ignorant, ill informed comment which is frankly insulting to the new manager. As he has only just arrived at the club one can only speculate as to why certain individuals on here are already taking pot shots at him. How do you know that he is a 'yes man' ? Have you ever met him ? Do you think that Liverpool - one of England's finest clubs appointed as their club captain a craven, mindless individual with no personal resolve? Honestly, some of the comments on here are made by people who are of low intelligence - or worse are trolls from Croydon. 'Taffsters' remarks suggest that he is both.[/p][/quote]Without doubt. Also nice use of the word 'craven'. I like that. Oscar's Chin
  • Score: 2

7:59am Wed 18 Jun 14

B rian Tawses left foot says...

the taffster says...


pjwilk wrote:

the taffster wrote:
Here we go....hypia is employed as a yes man with little power to over rule or get in the players HE WANTS. Get out of the club Burke before you take us down...
All our trouble with finance recruitment management dis harmony started when they employed Burke ant the other B.And nothing will change until both are sacked.Ask Dick Knight.Totally agree.surely hypia should create a list of targets and give them to Burke...not the other way round...I've never heard of such an arrangement... That's why poyet and Oscar left because their hands were tied and all you sheep out there think its OK for Burke to choose transfer targets.....doomed for failure...PS I've supported this club for 40 years but along with the last 2 managers I don't like the way its run.

Well do what they did and leave.
the taffster says... pjwilk wrote: the taffster wrote: Here we go....hypia is employed as a yes man with little power to over rule or get in the players HE WANTS. Get out of the club Burke before you take us down... All our trouble with finance recruitment management dis harmony started when they employed Burke ant the other B.And nothing will change until both are sacked.Ask Dick Knight.Totally agree.surely hypia should create a list of targets and give them to Burke...not the other way round...I've never heard of such an arrangement... That's why poyet and Oscar left because their hands were tied and all you sheep out there think its OK for Burke to choose transfer targets.....doomed for failure...PS I've supported this club for 40 years but along with the last 2 managers I don't like the way its run. Well do what they did and leave. B rian Tawses left foot
  • Score: 2

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