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Should there be more 20mph limit zones?

11:41am Monday 18th June 2007

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Drivers could soon be faced with blanket 20mph speed limits as councils across Sussex aim to increase safety and cut accidents.

The proposals, at an advanced stage, centre mainly on roads near schools and residential areas but also include busy town and city centres such as Chichester, Lewes and Seaford.

Other councils, including Brighton and Hove, are looking at the possibility of introducing the go-slow zones. But while advocates of the scheme say it will cut accidents and save lives, SIMON BARRETT finds others believe the proposals are unenforceable and will only serve to antagonise drivers.

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Matthew Lock, East Sussex County Council's lead member for transport.

Our main priority surely must be to reduce the number of accidents and injuries on our roads.

We believe that in many residential areas 20 is plenty. That is why we are aiming to introduce that lower limit in many of the county's towns over the coming months and years.

But I am willing to look at this on a case-by-case basis, rather than introduce a blanket limit. Certain roads, like those around schools, would be prime candidates for such a scheme.

We know that death is likely if a child is hit at 40mph, while at 30mph the risk is less so. But at 20mph drivers will have even more time to react and it should only result in minor injuries.

People often talk about the rights of motorists but what about the right of our child pedestrians who shouldn't need to feel apprehensive about speeding cars?

It is about striking that balance between the interests of drivers and the safety of pedestrians.

According to research by the Department for Transport, for each one mile per hour the speed limit drops, the frequency of accidents goes down by five per cent.

This means lowering the speed limit from 30mph to 20mph could cut the number of incidents by almost half, reducing the number of accident victims in Sussex by hundreds.

We know that most people drive sensibly. In Hastings town centre, buses and cars rarely go above 20mph even though the limit is 30mph.

There is a raised pavement, so drivers are more aware of pedestrians and vice versa. It works very well and we will be looking at introducing similar measures elsewhere.

Despite that, you will still always get the idiots who want to drive faster. The limit needs to be in place so the police have the powers to enforce the law and those who flout limits should be punished severely.

At the end of the day, lower speed limits should lead to fewer accidents, which is what we are striving to achieve.

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Paul Biggs, spokesman for motorist lobby group the Association of British Drivers.

Latest figures show revenue from speeding fines in Sussex has rocketed by £600,000 while the number of people killed or seriously injured on the county's roads has risen by 100.

It proves that concentrating on speed is simply not working. Police should be looking at drink driving and the numbers of people driving illegally with no insurance.

Some 10,000 children a year get knocked down in Britain but fewer than one per cent of those are killed. That does not suggest to me that people are driving recklessly near schools.

Speed limits are there as the maximum speed in perfect conditions.

Often people will drive slower than the maximum, especially if near a school. But to impose a blanket 20mph limit is over the top.

Children are only outside the school at certain times of the day, and not at all during lengthy school holidays.

I would rather see someone driving at 30mph and concentrating than at 20mph and constantly watching the speedometer. Road conditions should dictate how fast people drive. It is as simple as that.

There has already been significant abuse of 20mph zones, as well as widespread abuse of the right to introduce 30mph, 40mph and 50mph limits on rural roads by local authorities.

Many places which require slow speeds are so obviously hazardous that almost all drivers drive at less than 20mph without the need for a limit. But 20mph limits have another problem if they are set unreasonably and rigidly enforced.

It is virtually impossible to drive a vehicle at 20mph when road conditions dictate a higher speed and still maintain a proper level of concentration and attentiveness on what is going on around.

Currently, 20mph limits are largely enforced by traffic calming measures, which means that even though drivers' attention is focused on them rather than on scanning for real hazards, at least the driver is concentrating on something outside the vehicle.

If 20mph limits are to be enforced by the normal methods, then the focus of concentration will be on the speedometer only - lunacy in an urban environment.

The other issue is how this will be enforced.

I don't think the average taxpayer would be happy to see road police out with speed guns, stopping people driving at 30mph.

This may well have the psychological effect of antagonising drivers who could drive faster out of frustration.

What do you think? Leave your comments below.


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Sergey, Glasgow says...
5:31pm Mon 18 Jun 07

Paul Biggs - absolutely spot on!

It's very annoying that mass media leads people to believe that "public wants speed limits for safety".

I'm yet to see a driver who would say that enforced speed limits or traffic calming (=car damaging) measures have made his driving safer. And non-drivers get their opinion from the mass media.

Keith, Sutton on Sea says...
10:04pm Mon 18 Jun 07

Speed is only the primary cause when a vehicle goes out of control. Focusing on speed is missing the causes of accidents. By focusing on the outcome all the time, the only thing that speed affects, we fail to focus on the causes.

Brian, Brighton says...
10:41pm Mon 18 Jun 07

More pandering from the Nanny state. The current limits are fine as they are thank you very much. If pedestrians paid more attention to crossing the road, then maybe they would not get run over!

Lower them at your will. But don't expect me and the majority to adhere to these ridiculous limits.

Dave, Horsham says...
6:35am Tue 19 Jun 07

24 hour 20MPH limits are unnecessary and like all inappropriate limits create even more disrespect for all limits. There are times of day on certain roads where even 20MPH is too fast. Why not have timed limits using signs controlled from within the school? These could be set even lower than 20 if needed.

The statistics used relate to impact speed, not travelling speed (something the DFT forget to mention of course). A driver concntrating on setting his speed to a level where he can safely stop in the distance seen to be clear may be doing 40MPH but will not hit the child at all. A driver doing 20MPH concentrating on the speedometer will hit them at a full 20MPH and still likely kill or seriously disable them.

Magic numbers do not work. Encouraging drivers to drive according to the conditions is the answer, through training and education whilst prosecuting the reckless.

Chris, Birghton says...
7:38am Tue 19 Jun 07

There are several schools in my road and it is impossible to do anything like 20mph past them when children are arriving and leaving. You're lucky if you can manage 5mph! When there are no children about it is quite safe to do 30, or even 40. 20mph zones are not intended to protect children, they are intended to delay drivers, we don't need any more nonsense like this from the Lib Dems.

Paul Biggs, Staffordshire says...
7:59am Tue 19 Jun 07

The claim that each 1mph drop in average speed reduces accidents by 5% is fraudulent, and is not what the raw data from TRL report 511 actually says. If true, motorways with a 70mph limit would be our most dangerous roads, rather than the safest. The relationship between speed and accidents is not simple, amd involves many other factors. The stopping distance depends on factors which include visibilty, driver reaction time, driver observation skills, concentration on the driving task, the prevailing road conditions, the braking ability of the car, as well as the vehicle speed, which should be matched to the prevailing road conditions rather than 'a number on a stick.' The maximium safe speed in ideal conditions should be based on the scientifically proven '85th percentile.'

Lucy, Brighton says...
2:21pm Tue 19 Jun 07

So Brian - If you run a child over as you knowingly speed in a residential area, then it's that child's fault is it? Probably be worth attempting to sue them in case your car gets damaged too.

Honestly, I despair of some of our drivers, and I speak as a driver of over 20 years. Never mind speed limits/ extra theory questions in the driving test, perhaps we need to introduce some psychological questions to weed some of our more 'gung ho' drivers out.

I really, really hope Brian, that you are never behind the wheel when children are around.

Ian, London, UK says...
10:16pm Tue 19 Jun 07

Lucy: you know nothing of Brian's driving. The people who really scare me are the ones who think that all there is to driving is sticking to an arbitrary speed limit. The ones who scare me even more are those who think that the roads are childrens' playgrounds on which cars are about 100th in priority.

Millie, Brighton says...
9:18am Wed 20 Jun 07

Could anyone tell me if there has ever been a study of the effect that traffic calming measures have on levels on concentration? IE if you're distracted by a school sign, road signs and speed bumps are you less likely to see pedestrians wandering into the road?
I don't mind traffic calming at all, if that's how it needs to be, but I would prefer not to be overloaded with all sorts of measures and information in one place!!

Roger, Brighton says...
1:07pm Wed 20 Jun 07

Leaving aside all the other arguments, why are speed limits always talked about in increments of 10 mph? What is wrong with a 25 or 35 mph limit in the appropriate cases?

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