Sussex Police and Crime Commissioner election results (From The Argus)
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Sussex Police and Crime Commissioner election results
9:52am Friday 16th November 2012 in News By Ben Parsons & Sarah Booker Lewis
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- Conservative candidate Katy Bourne wins the Sussex Police and Crime Commissioner election.
- Turnout 15.82% across Sussex.
- Spoilt papers were 3.06% of the vote.
5:29pm
Katy Bourne thanks voters at the count in Brighton
4:33pm
Conservative candidate Katy Bourne wins the Sussex Police Commissioner election with 81,284, votes.
Turnout was 15.82%
Spoilt papers 3.06% of the vote.
Mrs Bourne is 47 and lives in Ansty, near Haywards Heath with he husband Kevin and two grown-up sons William and Myles.
She was educated at Roedean and Aberystwyth University. She decribes herself as a serial business builder.
She has represented Cuckfield on Mid Sussex District Council since 2011. She served on her parish's local police panel during her time as a parish councillor for Ansty and Stapleforth.
Her website is www.katybourne.com.
4:31pm
Second round results from Arun District
Katy Bourne (C) – 1,976
Godfrey Daniel (L) – 1,077
Running total
Katy Bourne (C) – 79,462
Godfrey Daniel (L) – 55,729
4:29pm
Second round results from Horsham
Katy Bourne (C) – 1,471
Godfrey Daniel (L) – 1,145
Running total
Katy Bourne (C) – 77,486
Godfrey Daniel (L) – 54,652
4:27pm
Second round results in from Worthing
Katy Bourne (C) – 1,225
Godfrey Daniel (L) – 917
Running total
Katy Bourne (C) – 76,015
Godfrey Daniel (L) – 53, 507
4:24pm
Second round results in for Rother
Katy Bourne (C) – 1,398 (total 4,864 votes)
Godfrey Daniel (L) – 752
Running total
Katy Bourne (C) –74,790
Godfrey Daniel (L) – 52,590
4:23pm
Second round results in for Lewes
Katy Bourne (C) – 1,429
Godfrey Daniel (L) – 1,172
Running Total
Katy Bourne (C) – 73,361
Godfrey Daniel (L) – 51,778
4:11pm
Second round results in from Adur
Katy Bourne (C) – 766
Godfrey Daniel (L) – 578 (total 1,842 votes)
Running total
Katy Bourne (C) – 71,932
Godfrey Daniel (L) – 50,606
4:09pm
Second round results from Mid Sussex
Katy Bourne (C) – 1,925
Godfrey Daniel (L) – 1,235
Running total
Katy Bourne (C) – 71,166
Godfrey Daniel (L) – 50,028
4:07pm
Second round results in from Hastings
Katy Bourne (C) – 747
Godfrey Daniel (L) – 720
Running total
Katy Bourne (C) – 69,241
Godfrey Daniel (L) – 48,793
4:06pm
Second round results in from Eastbourne
Katy Bourne (C) – 1,471
Godfrey Daniel (L) – 1,145
Running total
Katy Bourne (C) – 68,494
Godfrey Daniel (L) – 48,073
4:00pm
Second round results in from Brighton and Hove:
Katy Bourne (C) – 2,202
Godfrey Daniel (L) – 3,408
Running total
Katy Bourne (C) – 67,023
Godfrey Daniel (L) – 46,928
3:52pm
Second round results in from Chichester
Katy Bourne (C) – 1, 761
Godfrey Daniel (L) – 854
Running total
Katy Bourne (C) – 64,821
Godfrey Daniel (L) – 43,520
3:45pm
Second round results in Crawley
Katy Bourne (C) – 756
Godfrey Daniel (L) – 612
Running total
Katy Bourne (C) – 63,060
Godfrey Daniel (L) – 42,666
3:36pm
Independent candidate Ian Chisnall thanks the electorate.
He said: "I'm feeling a mixture of things.
"I'm really excited at how many people chose to vote for me and the fact people were prepared to take a risk on someone independent."
3:31pm
Second round results in from Wealden District:
Katy Bourne (C) – 2,669
Godfrey Daniel (L) – 1,289
Running total
Katy Bourne (C) – 62,304
Godfrey Daniel (L) – 42,054
3:29pm
Ben Parsons has reaction from the final two candidates.
Katy Bourne said: "I'm obviously very pleased to be through to the next round and I'm waiting to see what happens."
Godfrey Daniel said: "There is nothing we can do bow to change the result. I hope people have seen sense and given me their second preference."
Mr Daniel believes the Labour support is a signpost for the next General Election.
He added: "We were the third party at the last General Election.
"On the first preferences, we are clearly not a third party.
"Brighton, Crawley and Hastings, all the places we hope to win back, have all gone to Labour.
"That has got to augur well."
3:16pm
Hearing reports Godfrey Daniel has taken the second preference votes in Crawley. Awaiting confirmation.
2:18pm
At this second preference count stage it is not necessary for either candidate to achieve 50% of the vote, just an overall majority.
2:10pm
According to Ben Parsons, spoiled ballots include illustrations and insults written across ballots in Brighton.
A Tumblr featuring people's photographs of spoilt ballots from across Britain is proving popular online.
2:04pm
The second preference votes for the elminated candidates now count towards the final result.
Candidate standings after the first vote
Katy Bourne, Conservative – 31%
Godfrey Daniel, Labour – 22%
Ian Chisnall, Independent – 21%
Tony Armstrong, UKIP – 15%
David Rogers, Liberal Democrat – 11%
2:01pm
Spoilt ballot breakdown for Sussex.
Rejected for want of official mark – 4
More than one candidate given as first preference – 1,798
Mark or writing leading to identification of voter – 82
Unmarked first preference – 1,590
Void for uncertainty about first preference – 2,508.
Total 5,982
That works out as 3.06% of the vote.
1:58pm
Conservative candidate Katy Bourne and Labour candidate Godfrey Daniel go through to the second round of voting.
1:58pm
What do all the results mean?
'"We need Carol Vorderman," says Independent candidate Ian Chisnall.
1:54pm
Wealden District results:
Katy Bourne (C) – 7,266 votes
Ian Chisnall (Ind) – 4,217 votes
Tony Armstrong (UKIP) – 3,631 votes
Godfrey Daniel (L) – 2,563 votes
David Rogers (LD) – 2,344 votes
1:53pm
No second candidate in Sussex has reached 50% of the vote so second preference counting is underway.
1:50pm
Worthing Borough results:
Katy Bourne (C) – 3,207 votes
Ian Chisnall (Ind) – 2,492 votes
Tony Armstrong (UKIP) – 1,901 votes
Godfrey Daniel (L) – 1,729 votes
David Rogers (LD) – 1,306 votes
1:49pm
Mid Sussex District result:
Katy Bourne (C) – 6,653 votes
Ian Chisnall (Ind) - 3,711 votes
Godfrey Daniel (L) – 2,271 votes
Tony Armstrong (UKIP) – 2,251 votes
David Rogers (LD) – 1,956 votes
1:47pm
Hastings Borough results:
Godfrey Daniel (L) –4,690
Katy Bourne (C) – 1,882
Ian Chisnall (Ind) –1,571
Tony Armstrong (UKIP) – 1,337
David Rogers (LD) – 677
1:45pm
Adur District result:
Katy Bourne (C) –1,853 votes
Ian Chisnall (Ind) – 1,459 votes
Tony Armstrong (UKIP) – 1,399 votes
Godfrey Daniel (L) – 1,264 votes
David Rogers (LD) 567 votes
1:43pm
Crawley had 202 spoilt ballots.
That works out as 1.8%.
1:39pm
Eastbourne had 287 spoilt ballots.
That's 2% of the vote.
1:37pm
Horsham District had 500 spoilt ballots.
That counts as 3% of the vote.
1:35pm
A total of 1,277 spoilt ballots in Brighton and Hove.
This works out at 4% of the vote.
1:32pm
Brighton and Hove City Council result:
Godfrey Daniel (L) – 11,082
Katy Bourn (C) – 7,146
Ian Chisnall (Ind) – 6,467
Tony Armstrong (UKIP) – 2,925.
David Rogers (LD) – 2,615
1:30pm
Brighton spoilt ballots said to exceed 1,200, out of a 31510 turnout. 3.8%
The candidates are being told the provisional Brighton and Hove result. A microphone appeal was made for any Liberal Democrats to take part - their candidate David Rogers does not appear to be here.
1:28pm
Katy Bourne embraces a supporter, obviously pleased by Eastbourne result.
UKIP did well – beating the Lib Dems even though the town has a Lib Dem MP.
1:28pm
Ben Parsons reports Labour's Godfrey Daniel shouts "yes'"as he wins Crawley first count.
1:01pm
Horsham District results:
Katy Bourne (C) – 6,324 votes
Ian Chisnall (Ind) – 3,556 votes
Tony Armstrong (UKIP) – 2,618 votes
David Rogers (LD) – 2,154 votes
Godfrey Daniel (L) – 2,073 votes
12:59pm
Eastbourne Borough results:
Katy Bourne (C) – 4,000 votes
Ian Chisnall (Ind) – 2,163 votes
Tony Armstrong (UKIP) – 2,096 votes
David Rogers (LD) – 2,089 votes
Godfrey Daniel (L) – 1,955 votes
12:57pm
Crawley Borough result:
Godfrey Daniel (L) – 4,180 votes
Katy Bourne (C) – 3,641 votes
Ian Chisnall (Ind) – 1,156 votes
Tony Armstrong (UKIP) – 1,361 votes
David Rogers (LD) – 542 votes
12:48pm
Conservative candidate Katy Bourne is ahead after four districts declare their first preference votes.
Independent candidate Ian Chisnall is second.
The winning candidate requires 50% of the vote, so we won't know the result until the second preferences are counted.
12:46pm
Ben Parsons spoke with Labour candidate Godfrey Daniel who is pleased to match the Lib Dems in Lewes but is disappointed to be third to Ian Chisnall.
He said: "It doesn't surprise me, given the publicity given to Independents.
"It is a bit of a protest vote."
12:44pm
Arun has 502 spoilt ballots.
That works out as 3% of the vote.
12:41pm
Results in for Arun District:
Katy Bourne (C) – 5,358 votes
Ian Chisnall (Ind) – 3,688 votes
Tony Armstrong (UKIP) 3,536 votes
Godfrey Daniel (L) – 2,355 votes
David Rogers (LD) – 1,390 votes
12:38pm
There were 357 spoilt ballots in Rother.
That works out at 3% of the vote.
12:37pm
Lewes had 399 spoilt ballots.
That works out at 3% of the total turnout.
12:33pm
Results in from Rother
Katy Bourne (C) – 3,466 votes
Ian Chisnall (Ind) – 2,574 votes
Godfrey Daniel (L) – 2,343 votes
Tony Armstrong (UKIP) – 2,003 votes
David Rogers (LD) – 1,070 votes
12:31pm
Results in from Lewes District
Katy Bourne (C) – 3,263 votes
Ian Chisnall (Ind)– 2,592 votes
David Rogers(LD) – 2,471 votes
Godfrey Daniel (L) –2,446 votes
Tony Armstrong (UKIP) – 1,933 votes
12:28pm
Ben Parsons reports lots of spoiled ballots in Brighton apparently. One read: "No Green Party? I want Ben Duncan."
12:21pm
That result means 564 spoilt ballots in Chichester District.
That works out as 4% of the total vote.
12:16pm
First preference vote results are in from Chichester District:
Katy Bourne (C) 39% – 5,576 votes
Ian Chisnall (Ind) 23% – 3,284 votes
Tony Armstrong (UKIP) 16% – 2,336 votes
Godfrey Daniel (L) 13% – 1,814 votes
David Rogers (LD) 10% – 1,398 votes
12:08pm
Busy counting
11:56am
Ben Parsons has spoken with Simon Kirby, MP for Brighton Kemptown at the count who said: "It's a starting point.
"If 200,000 people voted, that's 200,000 more than were involved before."
11:37am
Ben Parsons has spoken to UKIP candidate, retired police officer Tony Armstrong, who said: "It is abysmal.
"You have to ask yourselves why.
"The election is in November, we have had no free mailshots.
"The area covers 16 Parliamentary constituencies. We have had no help at all to get the message out."
11:36am
11:34am Fri 16 Nov 12
DC78 says
DC78 wrote:Apologies, misunderstood. Spoilt papers are included in turnout numbers.
fascinator wrote:They don't. The number of papers in total are counted, then are separated by candidate and spoilt papers.
I think that spoiled ballot papers get counted in the turnout
If spoilt papers number more than 'valid' papers, the spoilt papers are examined for reasons and are taken into account.
All spoilt papers are examined at every election. Returning officers gather the candidates around so they can confirm if they think a spoil is a vote. They also have the messages read out to them.
11:29am
11:24am Fri 16 Nov 12
fascinator says
I think that spoiled ballot papers get counted in the turnout
They are counted in turnout and then removed as the first preference votes are counted for each candidate.
We will know the spoil figure once the first preference count is complete.
11:27am
Worthing and West Sussex county councillor Bob Smytherman reports independent candidate is Ian Chisnall is doing well in Worthing and Adur.
11:23am
Speaking to Ben Parsons about turnout, Conservative candidate Katy Bourne said: 'It is what was expected, really.
"The result from Wiltshire set a tone."
She said the new voting system made predictions impossible, adding: 'Who knows? We won't know until the last vote is counted.
"I've never taken this for granted."
Wiltshire returned its new Police Commissioner with a 16% turnout with 3% spoilt ballots.
11:18am
Fewer people voted in Sussex than are registered to vote in Brighton and Hove.
11:13am
Here is the full breakdown of each area.
Adur District – Adur 6,747 from 48,517 – 13.91%
Arun District – 16,829 from 113,392 – 14.84%
Brighton and Hove – 31,510 from 209,007 – 15.08%
Chichester District – 14,972 from 92,241 – 16.23%
Crawley Borough- 11,082 from 78,657 – 14.09%
Eastbourne District – 12,590 from 73,725 – 17.08%
Hastings Borough – 10,401 from 64,335 – 16.17%
Horsham District – 17,225 from 102,061 – 16.88%
Lewes District – 13,164 from 75,372 – 17.47%
Mid Sussex District – 17,325 from 104,369 – 16.6%
Rother District– 11,813 from 72,313 – 16.34%
Wealden District – 20,609 from 118,610 – 17.38%
Worthing Borough– 10,952 from 81,567 – 13.43%
Sussex 195,218 = 15.82%
11:09am
First stage count to start in Brighton and elsewhere.
Total turnout in Sussex 195,218 = 15.82%.
Fewer than one in six have voted.
11:08am
And the last two areas:
Wealden District – 20,609 from 118,610 – 17.38%
Brighton and Hove – 31,510 from 209,007 – 15.08% turnout. .
11:07am
More turnout results now.
Eastbourne District – 12,590 from 73,725 – 17.08%
Mid Sussex District – 17,325 from 104,369 – 16.6%
Mid Sussex District is Conservative candidates Katy Bourne's home district.
11:04am
Candidates and their supporters are gathering at The Corn Exchange in Brighton, where all the results from across the county are displayed on a big screen.
The result will be announced in Brighton.
10:58am
Reports from Norfolk, one polling station had a single voter who spoilt their ballot.
10:52am
10:49am
Still waiting for turnout figures from:
Brighton and Hove City
Eastbourne Borough
Mid Sussex District
Wealden District
10:48am
More voting figures for Sussex districts and boroughs.
Hastings Borough – 10,401 from 64,335 – 16.17%
Horsham District – 17,225 from 102,061 – 16.88%
Lewes – 13,164 from 75,372 – 17.47%
Rother – 11,813 from 72,313 – 16.34%
Worthing – 10,952 from 81,567 – 13.43%
10:45am
Actual voting figures coming in now.
Adur District – Adur 6,747 from 48,517 – 13.91%
Arun District – 16,829 from 113,392 – 14.84%
Chichester District – 14,972 from 92,241 – 16.23%
Crawley Borough- 11,082 from 78,657 – 14.09%
10:41am
Horsham District turnout of 16.88%
10:40am
Arun District turnout of 14.8%
10:40am
Hastings Borough turnout 16.17%
10:39am
Another strong turnout from Conservative Chichester District 16.23%
10:38am
10:36am Fri 16 Nov 12
peebee9 says
Having a PCC is just the Governments way of 'passing-the-buck' on crime. At present, if the crime figures are bad, the Government gets the blame. With the 'elected' PCC they will be responsible.
10:38am
10:34am Fri 16 Nov 12
Romany65 says
I voted ..Really cannot see how anyone can make any valid comments unless they voted?
10:38am
Highest turnout in Sussex so far in Liberal Democrat heartland Lewes District at 17.47%
10:32am
10:28am Fri 16 Nov 12
mimseycal says
Shambles ... utter shambles. If anyone does get the post, how on earth can they ever claim to have the confidence of the community?
10:29am
10:25am Fri 16 Nov 12
Shinypurpleshadow says
I'd love to know how many spoiled ballots there are from each area in Sussex.
Most people I know who took the time to go to the polls spoiled their papers in protest at the illegitimacy of the elections.
Please report these figures if you can!
We will be reporting those figures as soon as they're available.
10:26am
Biggest turnouts in Conservative strongholds - more than 16% in Chichester, Horsham and Rother.
10:14am
10:11am Fri 16 Nov 12
Saltdean Resident says
What a complete waist of time and money, i'm sure if they had an option on the voting card to keep the status quo then that would have won hands down. Now we have politicians in charge of the police, great!
10:11am
It will be interesting to see what percentage of the ballots are spoiled.
Wiltshire returned its new Police Commissioner with a 16% turnout with 3% spoilt ballots.
10:08am
Turnout in Crawley Borough 14%.
10:08am
Reports from South Wales say no voters turned up to one polling station. Ballot box returned empty.
10:07am
10:01am Fri 16 Nov 12
gaz scott says
Next time we hear anyone claiming Union ballots or strikes are illegitimate because of limited numbers who actually bother to vote just say "PCC".
10:06am
Looking at reports from around the country, the average turnout seems to be approximately 13%.
9:53am
First reports of turnout from Worthing and Adur.
Adur District: 13.9%
Worthing Borough: 13.4%
Comments(92)
Saltdean Resident
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10:11am Fri 16 Nov 12
Shinypurpleshadow
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10:25am Fri 16 Nov 12
Most people I know who took the time to go to the polls spoiled their papers in protest at the illegitimacy of the elections.
Please report these figures if you can!
mimseycal
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10:28am Fri 16 Nov 12
Indigatio
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10:31am Fri 16 Nov 12
Shinypurpleshadow wrote:I hope they do too. I spoilt my ballot paper as a protest.
I'd love to know how many spoiled ballots there are from each area in Sussex.
Most people I know who took the time to go to the polls spoiled their papers in protest at the illegitimacy of the elections.
Please report these figures if you can!
With such a low turnout whoever is elcted cannot claim to have a mandate to serve.
Complete waste of time and money
Romany65
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10:34am Fri 16 Nov 12
peebee9
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10:36am Fri 16 Nov 12
Saltdean Resident
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10:49am Fri 16 Nov 12
Romany65 wrote:You miss the point, i would agree with you if people were complaining about the winning candidate, we are not.
I voted ..Really cannot see how anyone can make any valid comments unless they voted?
Chieftain11
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10:59am Fri 16 Nov 12
DC78
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11:00am Fri 16 Nov 12
Saltdean Resident wrote:If you did not turn up to either cast a vote or spoil the paper, you have no right to complain. If you want status quo, you turn up and spoil your paper by writing that on it.
Romany65 wrote:You miss the point, i would agree with you if people were complaining about the winning candidate, we are not.
I voted ..Really cannot see how anyone can make any valid comments unless they voted?
Romany65
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11:10am Fri 16 Nov 12
Chieftain11
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11:11am Fri 16 Nov 12
DC78
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11:17am Fri 16 Nov 12
Chieftain11 wrote:I hope although you didn't vote, you did attend to spoil your paper by writing down your grievances. A high number of spoilt votes can question the validity of the election. If you didn't either vote or spoil your vote in protest, you have no right to complain.
I did not vote for several reasons. The main one being, who is going to be the Deputy Commissioner and how is that person going to be appointed ? ?. It looks to me like the political parties will decide as they paid the £5,000 deposits for their candidates. ! I refuse to aid and abet such devious shenanigans by voting. As has been said before, the circus is being run from the monkey house.
Saltdean Resident
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11:18am Fri 16 Nov 12
DC78 wrote:I did. And if people did not of course they have a right to complain as this was not a vote on the change but a vote on who controls that change. The two must be separated, this is not the same as not turning out for a general election then complaining about who won. As has already been stated the common sense of the people has been shown by ignoring the vote completely.
Saltdean Resident wrote:If you did not turn up to either cast a vote or spoil the paper, you have no right to complain. If you want status quo, you turn up and spoil your paper by writing that on it.
Romany65 wrote:You miss the point, i would agree with you if people were complaining about the winning candidate, we are not.
I voted ..Really cannot see how anyone can make any valid comments unless they voted?
Poccypoc
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11:22am Fri 16 Nov 12
DC78
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11:23am Fri 16 Nov 12
Saltdean Resident wrote:A high number of spoilt votes can bring the election into question. Spoilt papers can influence 'if' rather than 'who'
DC78 wrote:I did. And if people did not of course they have a right to complain as this was not a vote on the change but a vote on who controls that change. The two must be separated, this is not the same as not turning out for a general election then complaining about who won. As has already been stated the common sense of the people has been shown by ignoring the vote completely.
Saltdean Resident wrote:If you did not turn up to either cast a vote or spoil the paper, you have no right to complain. If you want status quo, you turn up and spoil your paper by writing that on it.
Romany65 wrote:You miss the point, i would agree with you if people were complaining about the winning candidate, we are not.
I voted ..Really cannot see how anyone can make any valid comments unless they voted?
fascinator
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11:24am Fri 16 Nov 12
DC78
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11:27am Fri 16 Nov 12
fascinator wrote:They don't. The number of papers in total are counted, then are separated by candidate and spoilt papers.
I think that spoiled ballot papers get counted in the turnout
heartthrob
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11:33am Fri 16 Nov 12
Id like to be a fly on the wall when the newbie starts and says I am your new leader and 10% of the community support me being here...
DC78
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11:34am Fri 16 Nov 12
DC78 wrote:Apologies, misunderstood. Spoilt papers are included in turnout numbers.
fascinator wrote:They don't. The number of papers in total are counted, then are separated by candidate and spoilt papers.
I think that spoiled ballot papers get counted in the turnout
If spoilt papers number more than 'valid' papers, the spoilt papers are examined for reasons and are taken into account.
Saltdean Resident
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11:37am Fri 16 Nov 12
DC78 wrote:I did, and if people didn't vote at all of course they have the right to complain. They are not complaining about who won as in a general election but about the whole idea. If it aint broke dont fix it.
Saltdean Resident wrote:If you did not turn up to either cast a vote or spoil the paper, you have no right to complain. If you want status quo, you turn up and spoil your paper by writing that on it.
Romany65 wrote:You miss the point, i would agree with you if people were complaining about the winning candidate, we are not.
I voted ..Really cannot see how anyone can make any valid comments unless they voted?
DC78
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12:05pm Fri 16 Nov 12
Saltdean Resident wrote:Let's get real, the reason for poor turnout was because people just could not be bothered. If they seriously believe 'it's not broke, don't fix it', they have the moral obligation to attend and write that on their paper.
DC78 wrote:I did, and if people didn't vote at all of course they have the right to complain. They are not complaining about who won as in a general election but about the whole idea. If it aint broke dont fix it.
Saltdean Resident wrote:If you did not turn up to either cast a vote or spoil the paper, you have no right to complain. If you want status quo, you turn up and spoil your paper by writing that on it.
Romany65 wrote:You miss the point, i would agree with you if people were complaining about the winning candidate, we are not.
I voted ..Really cannot see how anyone can make any valid comments unless they voted?
fascinator
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12:06pm Fri 16 Nov 12
Another strong turnout from Conservative Chichester District 16.23%
16.23% is not a strong turnout
sbiscorrupt
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12:17pm Fri 16 Nov 12
It doesn't matter what the election is, since the majority of politicians are as bad as each other, and in it for themselves!
And they are failing us by not properly tackling any significant issues...
(I wonder how long it will be before we hear of the first PCC expenses scandal?)
Andy R
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12:22pm Fri 16 Nov 12
DC78 wrote:I voted, but I still think people who didn't are perfectly entitled to complain. No-one was under any obligation to attend and write "something" on the ballot paper just because you've decided they had some "duty" to do so. A spoiled ballot paper is no different legally to not voting - no-one's sitting there carefully noting what everyone's written and making a mental note to act on it. They just go into a pile, and the returning officer will quickly show them to the candidates at the end just so they know that none of them ought to have been counted as votes.
Saltdean Resident wrote:Let's get real, the reason for poor turnout was because people just could not be bothered. If they seriously believe 'it's not broke, don't fix it', they have the moral obligation to attend and write that on their paper.DC78 wrote:I did, and if people didn't vote at all of course they have the right to complain. They are not complaining about who won as in a general election but about the whole idea. If it aint broke dont fix it.Saltdean Resident wrote:If you did not turn up to either cast a vote or spoil the paper, you have no right to complain. If you want status quo, you turn up and spoil your paper by writing that on it.Romany65 wrote: I voted ..Really cannot see how anyone can make any valid comments unless they voted?You miss the point, i would agree with you if people were complaining about the winning candidate, we are not.
Spoiling ballot papers as a "tactic" is overrated. Admittedly a large number of them make a point, but no different to the point made by not turning up.
DC78
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12:36pm Fri 16 Nov 12
Andy R wrote:Wrong. If there are more spoilt papers than unspoilt papers, then the entire election can be declared as invalid.
DC78 wrote:I voted, but I still think people who didn't are perfectly entitled to complain. No-one was under any obligation to attend and write "something" on the ballot paper just because you've decided they had some "duty" to do so. A spoiled ballot paper is no different legally to not voting - no-one's sitting there carefully noting what everyone's written and making a mental note to act on it. They just go into a pile, and the returning officer will quickly show them to the candidates at the end just so they know that none of them ought to have been counted as votes.
Saltdean Resident wrote:Let's get real, the reason for poor turnout was because people just could not be bothered. If they seriously believe 'it's not broke, don't fix it', they have the moral obligation to attend and write that on their paper.DC78 wrote:I did, and if people didn't vote at all of course they have the right to complain. They are not complaining about who won as in a general election but about the whole idea. If it aint broke dont fix it.Saltdean Resident wrote:If you did not turn up to either cast a vote or spoil the paper, you have no right to complain. If you want status quo, you turn up and spoil your paper by writing that on it.Romany65 wrote: I voted ..Really cannot see how anyone can make any valid comments unless they voted?You miss the point, i would agree with you if people were complaining about the winning candidate, we are not.
Spoiling ballot papers as a "tactic" is overrated. Admittedly a large number of them make a point, but no different to the point made by not turning up.
I did not say that everyone has a duty to vote, but that those that had a strong conviction of opposition to the election had a duty to spoil their papers giving their reason.
Not turning up is a vote of apathy and is very different to the point made by vote spoiling.
rubberflipper
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12:38pm Fri 16 Nov 12
These elections should be for Chief Constables of every county.
getThisCoalitionOut
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12:48pm Fri 16 Nov 12
pjwilk
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12:50pm Fri 16 Nov 12
Charismatic Andrew
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12:55pm Fri 16 Nov 12
....... it's a shame Ben Duncan decided to spoil his ballot paper like that....
Charismatic Andrew
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12:55pm Fri 16 Nov 12
....... it's a shame Ben Duncan decided to spoil his ballot paper like that....
Hove Actually
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12:59pm Fri 16 Nov 12
DC78 wrote:WRONG if people decide not to vote that is a failing of Government in not connecting with the people.
Saltdean Resident wrote:If you did not turn up to either cast a vote or spoil the paper, you have no right to complain. If you want status quo, you turn up and spoil your paper by writing that on it.
Romany65 wrote:You miss the point, i would agree with you if people were complaining about the winning candidate, we are not.
I voted ..Really cannot see how anyone can make any valid comments unless they voted?
Give us a vote on the EU and see how many turn out
DC78
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1:01pm Fri 16 Nov 12
pjwilk wrote:As UKIP support the nut-job belief of homoeopathy, I hope they only got 1 vote and that was diluted by all the other votes and the more their vote was diluted the stronger their vote got.
Those who won (not really),it will probobly be the last we ever hear from them.Why anyone voted for a C or a L or a LD is a mystery they deserve all they get.This country needs a real change we need a breath of fresh air who will get us out of the EU and dismantle the BBC.UKIP.
Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit
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1:02pm Fri 16 Nov 12
mimseycal
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1:04pm Fri 16 Nov 12
Did Simon Kirby indeed make this banal statement? Not that it would surprise me mind you. Simon, my dear old chap, considering these are the very first elections ever, you have nothing to compare it with but even the abysmal voting records of this country generally hit at least 30% ... Talk about disengagement and apathy!
If only 15.8% turned out that is not something to crow about. The highest turn out is somewhere at 17% ... Despicable!!!
Andy R
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1:29pm Fri 16 Nov 12
DC78 wrote:"If there are more spoilt papers than unspoilt papers, then the entire election can be declared as invalid."
Andy R wrote:Wrong. If there are more spoilt papers than unspoilt papers, then the entire election can be declared as invalid. I did not say that everyone has a duty to vote, but that those that had a strong conviction of opposition to the election had a duty to spoil their papers giving their reason. Not turning up is a vote of apathy and is very different to the point made by vote spoiling.DC78 wrote:I voted, but I still think people who didn't are perfectly entitled to complain. No-one was under any obligation to attend and write "something" on the ballot paper just because you've decided they had some "duty" to do so. A spoiled ballot paper is no different legally to not voting - no-one's sitting there carefully noting what everyone's written and making a mental note to act on it. They just go into a pile, and the returning officer will quickly show them to the candidates at the end just so they know that none of them ought to have been counted as votes. Spoiling ballot papers as a "tactic" is overrated. Admittedly a large number of them make a point, but no different to the point made by not turning up.Saltdean Resident wrote:Let's get real, the reason for poor turnout was because people just could not be bothered. If they seriously believe 'it's not broke, don't fix it', they have the moral obligation to attend and write that on their paper.DC78 wrote:I did, and if people didn't vote at all of course they have the right to complain. They are not complaining about who won as in a general election but about the whole idea. If it aint broke dont fix it.Saltdean Resident wrote:If you did not turn up to either cast a vote or spoil the paper, you have no right to complain. If you want status quo, you turn up and spoil your paper by writing that on it.Romany65 wrote: I voted ..Really cannot see how anyone can make any valid comments unless they voted?You miss the point, i would agree with you if people were complaining about the winning candidate, we are not.
Complete rubbish! Where are you getting that idea from??
Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit
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1:39pm Fri 16 Nov 12
doralora
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1:46pm Fri 16 Nov 12
The Real Phil
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1:51pm Fri 16 Nov 12
getThisCoalitionOut wrote:Have the CONservatives actually won? I couldn't find anything in the story other than lists of figures and percentages.
To all those who didn't vote or spoilt ballot papers - well done you've let the conservatives win again - **** - they are exactly who you want to keep out of everything, they're ruining this country and your apathy helps yet again. No wonder this country is in the state it's in with so many ignorant **** in it.
The bit that put me right off the tory candidate in my area was the quote along the lines of " I love making money, and I am married to a banker who also loves money". Just makes one a little nervous.
argunaut
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2:09pm Fri 16 Nov 12
DC78
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2:45pm Fri 16 Nov 12
Argus has used 5 "spoiled" and 14 "spoilt" in this article. (I exclude comments)
Argus, "spoilt" is the generally accepted spelling in the UK, however it is considered good journalism when you commit to a perhaps disputed spelling of a word, to stick with it, particularly within the same article.
Gael Bage
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2:46pm Fri 16 Nov 12
MelsTels
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2:54pm Fri 16 Nov 12
Romany65
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3:02pm Fri 16 Nov 12
MelsTels
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3:07pm Fri 16 Nov 12
Thumper Hove
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3:20pm Fri 16 Nov 12
This action would result in political parties working harder, knowing the public will vote for Independent candidates if they disagree with Con/Lib/Lab policies. The main parties rely on voter apathy - we get bad governments because people cannot be bothered to take a minute to vote.
ray477
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3:39pm Fri 16 Nov 12
Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit
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3:42pm Fri 16 Nov 12
Thumper Hove wrote:But what about those of us who didn't want party politics to play a part and also thought the independent candidate was easily the worst of the lot? Who were we supposed to vote for?
I do find it pathetic that people just haven't bothered to vote. Everyone should have taken the time, and if they didn't want a political party running the police, then vote for the Independent candidate. This action would result in political parties working harder, knowing the public will vote for Independent candidates if they disagree with Con/Lib/Lab policies. The main parties rely on voter apathy - we get bad governments because people cannot be bothered to take a minute to vote.
nigeyb
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4:01pm Fri 16 Nov 12
puddingandpi
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4:04pm Fri 16 Nov 12
Tammy Flugh
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4:08pm Fri 16 Nov 12
ash.co.uk/news/socie
ty/low-turnout-sees-
one-eyed-drug-boss-e
lected-police-commis
sioner-2012111649278
Andy R
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4:13pm Fri 16 Nov 12
Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit wrote:Crikey! Hard to please or what!
Thumper Hove wrote: I do find it pathetic that people just haven't bothered to vote. Everyone should have taken the time, and if they didn't want a political party running the police, then vote for the Independent candidate. This action would result in political parties working harder, knowing the public will vote for Independent candidates if they disagree with Con/Lib/Lab policies. The main parties rely on voter apathy - we get bad governments because people cannot be bothered to take a minute to vote.But what about those of us who didn't want party politics to play a part and also thought the independent candidate was easily the worst of the lot? Who were we supposed to vote for?
Maybe the answer to your question is that you should have stood yourself!
Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit
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4:50pm Fri 16 Nov 12
Andy R wrote:Not hard to please at all actually, I was perfectly happy with the existing system.
Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit wrote:Crikey! Hard to please or what! Maybe the answer to your question is that you should have stood yourself!Thumper Hove wrote: I do find it pathetic that people just haven't bothered to vote. Everyone should have taken the time, and if they didn't want a political party running the police, then vote for the Independent candidate. This action would result in political parties working harder, knowing the public will vote for Independent candidates if they disagree with Con/Lib/Lab policies. The main parties rely on voter apathy - we get bad governments because people cannot be bothered to take a minute to vote.But what about those of us who didn't want party politics to play a part and also thought the independent candidate was easily the worst of the lot? Who were we supposed to vote for?
And I didn't stand for reasons. Firstly I don't think I have the necessary qualities, and secondly and I didn't have a spare £5000 available for a deposit, plus the necessary funds to run a campaign (no party machine behind me see).
Hope that explains my position.
Brummie0121
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4:57pm Fri 16 Nov 12
I think it is time we take up the Australian system where it is law to vote and only then will we get a true reflection of who and what people really want and not which side can get the most people to the voting booth.
And for those who spoilt there votes and those who didn't vote shut up you have no right to a voice.
bug eye
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5:28pm Fri 16 Nov 12
Jase Brighton
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5:46pm Fri 16 Nov 12
The Heretic
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6:06pm Fri 16 Nov 12
For the record, I've turned out for EVERY election, local, national referendum and EU ever since I've been elegible to vote. Until now.
With no option to signal outright rejection of this farcical process, on consideration, even turning out to spoil my ballot would have added to the turnout figures in this flawed exercise. What is truly pathetic is that coverage and debate both of the bill and on the hustings has been risible. Even those who voted must find the almost toal absence of any real campaign or leafletting a disappointment.
The lack of an option for outright rejection means there was NO true choice for a post very many don't want to see created in the first place, so boycotting the whole procedure was the only logical option for many. This daft imported sham procedure will now try to pretend legitimacy it doesn't have on a turnout of less than 1 in 5, with 3 times the normal number of spoiled ballots.
Pathetic, Thumper? Congratulations on letting politicians into the police service - after all, they've done such a bang up job everywhere else.
In truth, there is NO mandate for this bankrupt scheme, and the whole thing should now be dropped.
leobrighton
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6:13pm Fri 16 Nov 12
THANKS
Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit
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6:16pm Fri 16 Nov 12
Brummie0121 wrote:Utter rubbish - a bit like the choice of candidates. And I think the concept of compulsory voting is at odd with the concept of a free society, but at least in Australia there is a 'None of the above' option on the ballot
Like every other election weather it be political or not people moan about the result even when they never voted. I think it is time we take up the Australian system where it is law to vote and only then will we get a true reflection of who and what people really want and not which side can get the most people to the voting booth. And for those who spoilt there votes and those who didn't vote shut up you have no right to a voice.
Freeloaders
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6:32pm Fri 16 Nov 12
Freeloaders
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6:35pm Fri 16 Nov 12
leobrighton wrote:Good post my friend.The police now only work for the rich so this could spell real trouble for the man & women in the street.
SO BASICALLY WE NOW HAVE A CONSERVATIVE CONTROLLED POLICE FORCE
THANKS
mimseycal
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6:35pm Fri 16 Nov 12
ya basta
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6:53pm Fri 16 Nov 12
Pull the other one its got bells on.
Chieftain11
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6:56pm Fri 16 Nov 12
Thumper Hove wrote:Voters have stayed away because they either did not understand what they were voting for or, like me, totally disagreed with this appointment from start to finish.
I do find it pathetic that people just haven't bothered to vote. Everyone should have taken the time, and if they didn't want a political party running the police, then vote for the Independent candidate.
This action would result in political parties working harder, knowing the public will vote for Independent candidates if they disagree with Con/Lib/Lab policies. The main parties rely on voter apathy - we get bad governments because people cannot be bothered to take a minute to vote.
This was the first election of any sort I didn't vote in because, as you make very clear, it's politicization of the police. Now, off you go and help choose her Deputy behind closed doors. His or her salary will be about £40,000 with a police pension.
TheStinkingLeft
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7:14pm Fri 16 Nov 12
leobrighton wrote:Better than a labour controlled Police Force - just imagine it - MPs stealing, immigrants not being caught or deported, minority groups being allowed to cause disruption to the town centre.
SO BASICALLY WE NOW HAVE A CONSERVATIVE CONTROLLED POLICE FORCE
THANKS
Hang on a minute, isn't that what happens now?
Maybe a Labour Police force has been in place all along.
Dr Wombleface
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7:15pm Fri 16 Nov 12
Metro Reader
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8:39pm Fri 16 Nov 12
It is shocking on two accouts, first the did not get any information form any of the candidates, second that the police are now controlled by the main (corupt) policical parties.
The person that 'won' can ever say she has a mandate.
gnarlychaos
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9:40pm Fri 16 Nov 12
Somethingsarejustwrong
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10:24pm Fri 16 Nov 12
gaz scott wrote:Similar level of interest to occupy Brighton......Diddly squat
Next time we hear anyone claiming Union ballots or strikes are illegitimate because of limited numbers who actually bother to vote just say "PCC".
People like you make me giggle
Alison Smith
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11:10pm Fri 16 Nov 12
The Heretic
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11:20pm Fri 16 Nov 12
mimseycal wrote:That started with Amenhotep IV, and just got worse since foundation of 'the Fed' 100 years ago. Bad day for democracy all the same.
4:33pm on 16th November 2012 is the moment in history when it was officially acknowledged that we are going to hell in a hand basket!
John Steed
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9:34am Sat 17 Nov 12
doralora wrote:in worthing the independant came a credible 2nd, I fully concur on the rest of your statement
It seems to me that most people voted according to their political persuasion as the areas voting have roughly the same political veiws. Its my opinion that having a party political election for a role which most would agree should be apolitical is just wrong. I also note that the probable winner here also has the least experience with the police which is also pretty depressing.
Romany65
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10:30am Sat 17 Nov 12
Romany65
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10:31am Sat 17 Nov 12
AmboGuy
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12:06pm Sat 17 Nov 12
SomethingsarejustwroHa ha good point, Gaz does trip himself up with his rhetoric sometimes!!
ng wrote:
gaz scott wrote:Similar level of interest to occupy Brighton......Diddly squat
Next time we hear anyone claiming Union ballots or strikes are illegitimate because of limited numbers who actually bother to vote just say "PCC".
People like you make me giggle
sosparty
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1:42pm Sat 17 Nov 12
Congratulations on your predicted victory as the first Sussex Police and Crime Commissioner.
May we extend our heart-felt wishes that you up-hold your Oath of Office and wish you three and a half years of successful endeavour.
In the same way you will bring accountability to the Chief Constable, may we extend the same, by pledging our own Oath to bring accountability to you, as an elected PCC, in our capacity as Shadow Police and Crime Commissioners (SSPCC).
We look forward to working with you and scrutinizing your every move and decision.
Best wishes,
Matt Taylor and David Joe Neilson...
http://www.shadowsus
sexpolicecrimecommis
sioner.co.uk/
sussexram40
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1:49pm Sat 17 Nov 12
Brightonlocal
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3:14pm Sat 17 Nov 12
Freeloaders
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4:48pm Sat 17 Nov 12
gnarlychaos wrote:What a stupid coment after such a poor turn out.I think its safe to say you are a work shy copper with nothing better to do.
The non voters were probably doing more important things like helping the police with there enquiries or maybe even trolling the Argus website.
Idontbelieveit1948
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4:57pm Sat 17 Nov 12
Freeloaders wrote:Personally I'm quite happy if the force sorts out freeoaders !
leobrighton wrote:Good post my friend.The police now only work for the rich so this could spell real trouble for the man & women in the street.
SO BASICALLY WE NOW HAVE A CONSERVATIVE CONTROLLED POLICE FORCE
THANKS
Freeloaders
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6:24pm Sat 17 Nov 12
C. French
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12:40pm Sun 18 Nov 12
She talks a lot about her "proven ability" and "strong budgetary control", however I have deep concerns about her bold claims. Her PCC manifesto made financial claims that appear to me highly inaccurate, consequently misleading and have yet to be corroborated.
I have challenged her and her Election Agent, on their Conservative PCC manifesto claims, that the Sussex Police Authority costs £245k, when the figures from the Sussex Police Authority's accounts show a figure of £179k. I am still awaiting a satisfactory explanation from Katy and her Election Agent as to where Katy's £245k figure came from.
http://ukipmidsx.org
/katy-bournes-pcc-co
st-saving-claims/
Chris French
Chairman
UKIP Mid Sussex
www.ukipmidsx.org
Fairfax Sakes
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2:31pm Mon 19 Nov 12
mictrix
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8:22pm Mon 19 Nov 12
Romany65 wrote:yes we get it... hooray! you voted jolly good for you... yawn
Whether or not we agree this election, it is happening. So the best we can do is vote for the best canditate from those we are presented with.and that is what I did
mictrix
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8:26pm Mon 19 Nov 12
puddingandpi wrote:lol
So who's won?
AmboGuy
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9:12pm Mon 19 Nov 12
mictrix wrote:Won what?
puddingandpi wrote:lol
So who's won?
OneThatknows
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3:56pm Wed 21 Nov 12
Spoiling the ballot was just a protest better than sitting at home doing this.
Word to the unwise destroy your debit cards NOW.
Cancel your cell phones TV licenses use letters or encrypted emails Tweet Cameron hourly over injustices. Ask awkward questions STOP buying stuff you dont need and get a better job where you are wanted trusted and appreciated.
Works for me.
I retired 18 years ago at Age 48 so should everyone
OneThatknows
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4:02pm Wed 21 Nov 12
AmboGuy
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7:26pm Wed 21 Nov 12
OneThatknows wrote:Errrr???? What?
I worked for LLoyds bank resigned after 11 years of bad treatment except by one brilliant manager God rest His Soul Geoffrey Hills sadly missed a true gentleman respected and trusted by 5000 customers at East Grinstead and Canterbury and Bournemouth
OneThatknows
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2:40pm Thu 22 Nov 12
The police in North Wales misidentified the picture for Messhams child abuse threatened huim with death burned his house down and all you can say is Err What??
FI!
OneThatknows
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2:40pm Thu 22 Nov 12
The police in North Wales misidentified the picture for Messhams child abuse threatened him with death burned his house down and all you can say is Err What??
FI!
AmboGuy
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11:41pm Thu 22 Nov 12
OneThatknows wrote:What are you on? Are you confused?
Errrr???? What?
The police in North Wales misidentified the picture for Messhams child abuse threatened him with death burned his house down and all you can say is Err What??
FI!
This is a story about the newly elected Crime Commissioner for Sussex and you come on here banging on about someone called Geoffrey Hills and telling us to cancel our 'cell' phones! Now you're talking about child abuse in North Wales, I think most people would be thinking 'Err What' looking at your bizarre rant.
FI !!
gaz scott says...
10:01am Fri 16 Nov 12