City's bid to scrap council tax discount

Thousands of households in Brighton and Hove face losing their council tax discounts in a historic move being considered by the city council.
 

A leading Green councillor has written to Government minister Eric Pickles calling for powers to cut or reduce the discounts for the city’s student and single households.
 

The move would net Brighton and Hove City Council millions of pounds in extra revenue each year.
 

It comes as the authority’s policy and resources committee is expected to agree to cut the council tax discount for second and empty home owners.
 

The 1,800 second home owners will lose their 10% discount, The length of time owners of empty properties can claim council tax exemptions will be reduced.
 

Last year 17,000 people received the reduction.
 

This would raise £1 million a year, but Coun Leo Littman’s proposals to extend the cuts to students and single occupants could bring in up to £20 million.
 

Brighton and Hove has the lowest proportion of property owners paying the full council tax on homes in Sussex with nearly half of all properties eligible for discounts or exemptions.
 

About 57,000 properties in the city currently claim council tax exemption or discounts, including 4,500 student homes and 45,000 homes lived in by single occupants.
 

It is not known how much council tax students and single occupants could be made to pay under the pro posals, but if both were made to pay full council tax on band C homes it would raise an extra £20 million a year.
 

Coun Littman, deputy chair of policy and resources committee, said: “Council tax is far from a perfect system and is in need of root and branch reform.
 

In Brighton and Hove we have an unusually high number of homes occupied by students who are exempt from council tax and single-person households that get a significant discount and both are growing rapidly as a proportion of homes in the city.
 

“I’ve asked the Government to con sider changes to allow councils to make the balance of local tax paid fairer and more sustainable.”
 

In his letter to Mr Pickles, Secretary of State for Local Government, Coun Littman wrote that even a very small percentage change to the levels of discounts would make a “tangible difference”.

Labour group leader Gill Mitchell said: “We do not believe that individual students should pay council tax but we do believe that the Government should add additional funding to local authority government grants for those areas with high numbers of students.
 

“We are very concerned low income households will be paying council tax for the first time due to Government cuts to the housing benefit budget which will affect 10,000 households in Brighton and Hove.”
 

A spokesman for the Department for Communities and Local Government said: “The Local Government Finance Act 2012 has given councils the flexibility to remove or reduce council tax relief on empty homes and second homes; these flexibilities could help reduce the overall rate of council tax by £20 on an average Band D home.
 

“We will not be making any further changes and the long-standing student exemption and single person discount on council tax will remain in place.”

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4:08pm Sun 25 Nov 12

Joshiman says...

Let them dare.Vote of absolutely No confidence in this Green Party.
Let them dare.Vote of absolutely No confidence in this Green Party. Joshiman

4:24pm Sun 25 Nov 12

NickBtn says...

Very odd - the greens wanting to tax students, their key support group, more! That would go down well!

Just shows how naive the greens are

Won't ever happen as government has prevented councils from changing these parts of council tax

Students please note - the greens will turn on you too....
Very odd - the greens wanting to tax students, their key support group, more! That would go down well! Just shows how naive the greens are Won't ever happen as government has prevented councils from changing these parts of council tax Students please note - the greens will turn on you too.... NickBtn

4:31pm Sun 25 Nov 12

btnman says...

Very brave considering a large part of their vote comes from students.
Very brave considering a large part of their vote comes from students. btnman

4:39pm Sun 25 Nov 12

B G Gruff says...

might as well investigate this route. be good if they could make the landlords of student houses pay in some way
might as well investigate this route. be good if they could make the landlords of student houses pay in some way B G Gruff

5:19pm Sun 25 Nov 12

fredaj says...

So the greens want people who live on their own on a single income, without the children who consume huge amounts of council resources, to subsidise everyone else more than they already do?

How is that fair?

As for student households - it has long seemed odd to me that people who rent accommodation to students as a business do not contribute to the costs of running the local services their tenants consume - so perhaps it is time this changed.
So the greens want people who live on their own on a single income, without the children who consume huge amounts of council resources, to subsidise everyone else more than they already do? How is that fair? As for student households - it has long seemed odd to me that people who rent accommodation to students as a business do not contribute to the costs of running the local services their tenants consume - so perhaps it is time this changed. fredaj

5:24pm Sun 25 Nov 12

Dealing with idiots says...

Joshiman wrote:
Let them dare.Vote of absolutely No confidence in this Green Party.
Vote of no confidence e- petition goes live on the Brighton & Hove Tuesday. 1250 votes get it discussed in Full council. No more wait until the Greens implode policy from Labour and Conservatives thank you.
[quote][p][bold]Joshiman[/bold] wrote: Let them dare.Vote of absolutely No confidence in this Green Party.[/p][/quote]Vote of no confidence e- petition goes live on the Brighton & Hove Tuesday. 1250 votes get it discussed in Full council. No more wait until the Greens implode policy from Labour and Conservatives thank you. Dealing with idiots

5:37pm Sun 25 Nov 12

leobrighton says...

I wonder what they would spend the £20 million on. But its certain to be nothing of any use. Time for looking at local councils with a view to getting rid of them
I wonder what they would spend the £20 million on. But its certain to be nothing of any use. Time for looking at local councils with a view to getting rid of them leobrighton

5:40pm Sun 25 Nov 12

NickBrt says...

At least this councillor is talking politics rather than pink bikes! the students next door to me will end up buying less alcohol from the cheap lewes rd booze shops, oh dear. Perhaps they'll be a little quieter then!
At least this councillor is talking politics rather than pink bikes! the students next door to me will end up buying less alcohol from the cheap lewes rd booze shops, oh dear. Perhaps they'll be a little quieter then! NickBrt

5:46pm Sun 25 Nov 12

Maxwell's Ghost says...

It is absolutely right that the owners of student properties pay council tax.
These are run as businesses and ever business in the city has to pay a business tax and also every business has to pay a private company to remove rubbish but we have 4,500 student properties being run as businesses and serviced by the council for free.
That isn't right.
It is absolutely right that the owners of student properties pay council tax. These are run as businesses and ever business in the city has to pay a business tax and also every business has to pay a private company to remove rubbish but we have 4,500 student properties being run as businesses and serviced by the council for free. That isn't right. Maxwell's Ghost

5:58pm Sun 25 Nov 12

hovian says...

fredaj wrote:
So the greens want people who live on their own on a single income, without the children who consume huge amounts of council resources, to subsidise everyone else more than they already do?

How is that fair?

As for student households - it has long seemed odd to me that people who rent accommodation to students as a business do not contribute to the costs of running the local services their tenants consume - so perhaps it is time this changed.
couldn't agree more - Greens will lose any support they have left if they remove single person discount....
[quote][p][bold]fredaj[/bold] wrote: So the greens want people who live on their own on a single income, without the children who consume huge amounts of council resources, to subsidise everyone else more than they already do? How is that fair? As for student households - it has long seemed odd to me that people who rent accommodation to students as a business do not contribute to the costs of running the local services their tenants consume - so perhaps it is time this changed.[/p][/quote]couldn't agree more - Greens will lose any support they have left if they remove single person discount.... hovian

6:03pm Sun 25 Nov 12

Andy R says...

A dwelling wholly occupied by students is exempt from council tax anyway and the council has no power to change that. My understanding is that Kitcat is saying now that the Argus has misunderstood and that there never was any plan to charge students.
A dwelling wholly occupied by students is exempt from council tax anyway and the council has no power to change that. My understanding is that Kitcat is saying now that the Argus has misunderstood and that there never was any plan to charge students. Andy R

6:13pm Sun 25 Nov 12

Maxwell's Ghost says...

If the council cannot charge for council tax for student properties via the council taxation route it can increase the HMO annual licence fee to £1,300 per annum which will cover the lost revenue and be levied directly on the owner or limited company many of the student lets are rented out under.
If the council cannot charge for council tax for student properties via the council taxation route it can increase the HMO annual licence fee to £1,300 per annum which will cover the lost revenue and be levied directly on the owner or limited company many of the student lets are rented out under. Maxwell's Ghost

6:13pm Sun 25 Nov 12

Hove Actually says...

B G Gruff wrote:
might as well investigate this route. be good if they could make the landlords of student houses pay in some way
Idiot...
The landlords would just pass this onto the students, righty so too
[quote][p][bold]B G Gruff[/bold] wrote: might as well investigate this route. be good if they could make the landlords of student houses pay in some way[/p][/quote]Idiot... The landlords would just pass this onto the students, righty so too Hove Actually

6:14pm Sun 25 Nov 12

Zeta Function says...

Council tax is based on 1991 property values!
No wonder there's a shortfall.

It is time for all homes in England to be re-valued, accurately. Not the rushed job they did in 1991. And forget the mansion tax, bring in a banding system to accurately value real estate at the top end.

The government says no. So we have this farce of Brighton and Hove council seeing if they can squeeze further funds from mainly the young and elderly. More injustice.

Shambles.

How much longer will people put up with this cloud cuckoo land goverment and their 'not fit for purpose' systems of administration?
Council tax is based on 1991 property values! No wonder there's a shortfall. It is time for all homes in England to be re-valued, accurately. Not the rushed job they did in 1991. And forget the mansion tax, bring in a banding system to accurately value real estate at the top end. The government says no. So we have this farce of Brighton and Hove council seeing if they can squeeze further funds from mainly the young and elderly. More injustice. Shambles. How much longer will people put up with this cloud cuckoo land goverment and their 'not fit for purpose' systems of administration? Zeta Function

6:14pm Sun 25 Nov 12

On_the_Level says...

It's about time 'Lone Rangers' get to pay their way - discount for living alone is absurd and unhealthy
It's about time 'Lone Rangers' get to pay their way - discount for living alone is absurd and unhealthy On_the_Level

6:17pm Sun 25 Nov 12

Angryoldman says...

I will be voting against them and encouraging all single people to do the same. Failing that just give up work and get the full discount and rent paid, like many will be doing when the real cuts start to bite next April. Why bother busting a gut working all hours to hand it all over to these overpaid idiots.
I will be voting against them and encouraging all single people to do the same. Failing that just give up work and get the full discount and rent paid, like many will be doing when the real cuts start to bite next April. Why bother busting a gut working all hours to hand it all over to these overpaid idiots. Angryoldman

6:18pm Sun 25 Nov 12

Hove Actually says...

So the greeies want to punish OAPs when one of them dies and the surviving spouse on a much reduced income has to pay 100% council tax instead of receiving a meager discount of 25%.

You couldn't make this S**t up ........
unless your name is kitcrap
So the greeies want to punish OAPs when one of them dies and the surviving spouse on a much reduced income has to pay 100% council tax instead of receiving a meager discount of 25%. You couldn't make this S**t up ........ unless your name is kitcrap Hove Actually

6:32pm Sun 25 Nov 12

GovindaTim says...

On_the_Level wrote:
It's about time 'Lone Rangers' get to pay their way - discount for living alone is absurd and unhealthy
You are an idiot.
[quote][p][bold]On_the_Level[/bold] wrote: It's about time 'Lone Rangers' get to pay their way - discount for living alone is absurd and unhealthy[/p][/quote]You are an idiot. GovindaTim

6:43pm Sun 25 Nov 12

NickBtn says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
If the council cannot charge for council tax for student properties via the council taxation route it can increase the HMO annual licence fee to £1,300 per annum which will cover the lost revenue and be levied directly on the owner or limited company many of the student lets are rented out under.
The council is not allowed to make a profit on HMO fees. Despite this they're still charging an average of over £600 for each - must be paying the inspectors a fortune for that visit! Will be very interesting when these are challenged later for the council to prove that a profit hasn't been made. I suspect lots of cash will be returned to landlords in a few years time

With house prices at the high level they are in Brighton there aren't such huge profits that these costs will be paid for by the landlords - they will be passed on to the students (at a higher rate because the landlord needs to allow for fees/other taxes too)

So one way or another, the cost would be paid for by the students. The students would pay more under this green policy....
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: If the council cannot charge for council tax for student properties via the council taxation route it can increase the HMO annual licence fee to £1,300 per annum which will cover the lost revenue and be levied directly on the owner or limited company many of the student lets are rented out under.[/p][/quote]The council is not allowed to make a profit on HMO fees. Despite this they're still charging an average of over £600 for each - must be paying the inspectors a fortune for that visit! Will be very interesting when these are challenged later for the council to prove that a profit hasn't been made. I suspect lots of cash will be returned to landlords in a few years time With house prices at the high level they are in Brighton there aren't such huge profits that these costs will be paid for by the landlords - they will be passed on to the students (at a higher rate because the landlord needs to allow for fees/other taxes too) So one way or another, the cost would be paid for by the students. The students would pay more under this green policy.... NickBtn

6:49pm Sun 25 Nov 12

vivelavive says...

GovindaTim wrote:
On_the_Level wrote:
It's about time 'Lone Rangers' get to pay their way - discount for living alone is absurd and unhealthy
You are an idiot.
Couldn't agree more!
[quote][p][bold]GovindaTim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]On_the_Level[/bold] wrote: It's about time 'Lone Rangers' get to pay their way - discount for living alone is absurd and unhealthy[/p][/quote]You are an idiot.[/p][/quote]Couldn't agree more! vivelavive

6:56pm Sun 25 Nov 12

taman says...

where do i sign the no confidence e-petition ?
where do i sign the no confidence e-petition ? taman

7:19pm Sun 25 Nov 12

Ballroom Blitz says...

NickBtn wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
If the council cannot charge for council tax for student properties via the council taxation route it can increase the HMO annual licence fee to £1,300 per annum which will cover the lost revenue and be levied directly on the owner or limited company many of the student lets are rented out under.
The council is not allowed to make a profit on HMO fees. Despite this they're still charging an average of over £600 for each - must be paying the inspectors a fortune for that visit! Will be very interesting when these are challenged later for the council to prove that a profit hasn't been made. I suspect lots of cash will be returned to landlords in a few years time

With house prices at the high level they are in Brighton there aren't such huge profits that these costs will be paid for by the landlords - they will be passed on to the students (at a higher rate because the landlord needs to allow for fees/other taxes too)

So one way or another, the cost would be paid for by the students. The students would pay more under this green policy....
Good.
[quote][p][bold]NickBtn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: If the council cannot charge for council tax for student properties via the council taxation route it can increase the HMO annual licence fee to £1,300 per annum which will cover the lost revenue and be levied directly on the owner or limited company many of the student lets are rented out under.[/p][/quote]The council is not allowed to make a profit on HMO fees. Despite this they're still charging an average of over £600 for each - must be paying the inspectors a fortune for that visit! Will be very interesting when these are challenged later for the council to prove that a profit hasn't been made. I suspect lots of cash will be returned to landlords in a few years time With house prices at the high level they are in Brighton there aren't such huge profits that these costs will be paid for by the landlords - they will be passed on to the students (at a higher rate because the landlord needs to allow for fees/other taxes too) So one way or another, the cost would be paid for by the students. The students would pay more under this green policy....[/p][/quote]Good. Ballroom Blitz

7:49pm Sun 25 Nov 12

Maxwell's Ghost says...

Ok Nick, the house next to me pays no council tax as its student exempt.
However, waste is collected weekly.
Also the refuse and fly tipping inspectors are here at least once a month as they just dump stuff and dump waste on the streets which is replicated across the city so I doubt profit would be made.
Perhaps then it's time all of these student businesses are treated as all other businesses and the owners have to use private refuse collection.
Quite frankly Nick I find it galling that the multi million pound owners of the house who don't even live in the city are reaping a tax break.
Its typical that the rich get a hand out and leave residents to have to phone the council to clear the fly tipping or shovel up their waste every week without fail.
However, the three Labour councillors representing the ward I live in are never to be seen and are completely useless at getting action.
Ok Nick, the house next to me pays no council tax as its student exempt. However, waste is collected weekly. Also the refuse and fly tipping inspectors are here at least once a month as they just dump stuff and dump waste on the streets which is replicated across the city so I doubt profit would be made. Perhaps then it's time all of these student businesses are treated as all other businesses and the owners have to use private refuse collection. Quite frankly Nick I find it galling that the multi million pound owners of the house who don't even live in the city are reaping a tax break. Its typical that the rich get a hand out and leave residents to have to phone the council to clear the fly tipping or shovel up their waste every week without fail. However, the three Labour councillors representing the ward I live in are never to be seen and are completely useless at getting action. Maxwell's Ghost

8:30pm Sun 25 Nov 12

NickBtn says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Ok Nick, the house next to me pays no council tax as its student exempt.
However, waste is collected weekly.
Also the refuse and fly tipping inspectors are here at least once a month as they just dump stuff and dump waste on the streets which is replicated across the city so I doubt profit would be made.
Perhaps then it's time all of these student businesses are treated as all other businesses and the owners have to use private refuse collection.
Quite frankly Nick I find it galling that the multi million pound owners of the house who don't even live in the city are reaping a tax break.
Its typical that the rich get a hand out and leave residents to have to phone the council to clear the fly tipping or shovel up their waste every week without fail.
However, the three Labour councillors representing the ward I live in are never to be seen and are completely useless at getting action.
None of the money from the HMO licence can go on this - or to fund other useful services such as an extension of the noise team. It all goes on officers for the inspections. Five employees for 5 years = £1m (that's what the finance case for the HMO licence says).

If the house was rented to a family rather than students then the family pays council tax rather than the landlords. Ditto for professional house sharers.

It is unfair that students don't directly pay for these services as others do - but it's a concession won nationally many years ago. Government pays a grant to councils to make up for this - but claims are this isn't at a fair level

I agree with you about fly tipping. I see this from student and professional shared houses near me. Also from others too - although less so. The problem is that many in Brighton don't own cars, the fees to get many broken items collected are crazy (£30+) so the temptation to dump is there. A more imaginative option for non-car owners needs to be thought of
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Ok Nick, the house next to me pays no council tax as its student exempt. However, waste is collected weekly. Also the refuse and fly tipping inspectors are here at least once a month as they just dump stuff and dump waste on the streets which is replicated across the city so I doubt profit would be made. Perhaps then it's time all of these student businesses are treated as all other businesses and the owners have to use private refuse collection. Quite frankly Nick I find it galling that the multi million pound owners of the house who don't even live in the city are reaping a tax break. Its typical that the rich get a hand out and leave residents to have to phone the council to clear the fly tipping or shovel up their waste every week without fail. However, the three Labour councillors representing the ward I live in are never to be seen and are completely useless at getting action.[/p][/quote]None of the money from the HMO licence can go on this - or to fund other useful services such as an extension of the noise team. It all goes on officers for the inspections. Five employees for 5 years = £1m (that's what the finance case for the HMO licence says). If the house was rented to a family rather than students then the family pays council tax rather than the landlords. Ditto for professional house sharers. It is unfair that students don't directly pay for these services as others do - but it's a concession won nationally many years ago. Government pays a grant to councils to make up for this - but claims are this isn't at a fair level I agree with you about fly tipping. I see this from student and professional shared houses near me. Also from others too - although less so. The problem is that many in Brighton don't own cars, the fees to get many broken items collected are crazy (£30+) so the temptation to dump is there. A more imaginative option for non-car owners needs to be thought of NickBtn

8:38pm Sun 25 Nov 12

inadaptado says...

Dealing with idiots wrote:
Joshiman wrote:
Let them dare.Vote of absolutely No confidence in this Green Party.
Vote of no confidence e- petition goes live on the Brighton & Hove Tuesday. 1250 votes get it discussed in Full council. No more wait until the Greens implode policy from Labour and Conservatives thank you.
Yeah, I'm sure the Green council will resign immediately when they know a 0,8% of Brighton bothered to click on a website to express their disagreement.

If Argus commenters invested as much time and energy on real politics as they do complaining here they would run the country. Thank god they all are bark and no bite.
[quote][p][bold]Dealing with idiots[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Joshiman[/bold] wrote: Let them dare.Vote of absolutely No confidence in this Green Party.[/p][/quote]Vote of no confidence e- petition goes live on the Brighton & Hove Tuesday. 1250 votes get it discussed in Full council. No more wait until the Greens implode policy from Labour and Conservatives thank you.[/p][/quote]Yeah, I'm sure the Green council will resign immediately when they know a 0,8% of Brighton bothered to click on a website to express their disagreement. If Argus commenters invested as much time and energy on real politics as they do complaining here they would run the country. Thank god they all are bark and no bite. inadaptado

9:02pm Sun 25 Nov 12

Lady Smith says...

fredaj wrote:
So the greens want people who live on their own on a single income, without the children who consume huge amounts of council resources, to subsidise everyone else more than they already do?

How is that fair?

As for student households - it has long seemed odd to me that people who rent accommodation to students as a business do not contribute to the costs of running the local services their tenants consume - so perhaps it is time this changed.
If they go ahead with this and discriminate against the many thousands of us in this city who choose to live in single-households, I will actively campaign against every councillor who votes for it, regardless of their politics. >-(
[quote][p][bold]fredaj[/bold] wrote: So the greens want people who live on their own on a single income, without the children who consume huge amounts of council resources, to subsidise everyone else more than they already do? How is that fair? As for student households - it has long seemed odd to me that people who rent accommodation to students as a business do not contribute to the costs of running the local services their tenants consume - so perhaps it is time this changed.[/p][/quote]If they go ahead with this and discriminate against the many thousands of us in this city who choose to live in single-households, I will actively campaign against every councillor who votes for it, regardless of their politics. >-( Lady Smith

9:11pm Sun 25 Nov 12

AmboGuy says...

Lady Smith wrote:
fredaj wrote:
So the greens want people who live on their own on a single income, without the children who consume huge amounts of council resources, to subsidise everyone else more than they already do?

How is that fair?

As for student households - it has long seemed odd to me that people who rent accommodation to students as a business do not contribute to the costs of running the local services their tenants consume - so perhaps it is time this changed.
If they go ahead with this and discriminate against the many thousands of us in this city who choose to live in single-households, I will actively campaign against every councillor who votes for it, regardless of their politics. >-(
Yep agreed. Get these awfull amateurs out of power - they're wrecking my city and I've been here a lot longer than them.
[quote][p][bold]Lady Smith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fredaj[/bold] wrote: So the greens want people who live on their own on a single income, without the children who consume huge amounts of council resources, to subsidise everyone else more than they already do? How is that fair? As for student households - it has long seemed odd to me that people who rent accommodation to students as a business do not contribute to the costs of running the local services their tenants consume - so perhaps it is time this changed.[/p][/quote]If they go ahead with this and discriminate against the many thousands of us in this city who choose to live in single-households, I will actively campaign against every councillor who votes for it, regardless of their politics. >-([/p][/quote]Yep agreed. Get these awfull amateurs out of power - they're wrecking my city and I've been here a lot longer than them. AmboGuy

9:17pm Sun 25 Nov 12

leobrighton says...

Nothing wrong with students paying a bit but getting rid of the single persons and therefore single income discount is really bad. I voted green last time but never again I think we have seen their real colours now and I don't think they are anywhere near green. Those of us who really care about the environment should be really concerned about the damage this council have done the cause of responsible environmentally friendly living.
Nothing wrong with students paying a bit but getting rid of the single persons and therefore single income discount is really bad. I voted green last time but never again I think we have seen their real colours now and I don't think they are anywhere near green. Those of us who really care about the environment should be really concerned about the damage this council have done the cause of responsible environmentally friendly living. leobrighton

9:43pm Sun 25 Nov 12

Dirk Von Roden says...

I am not a student so have nothing to gain by saying this, Students bring revenue to the city! they buy food/drink use public transport etc etc! by taxing them out of the city they will go to other universitys (or at least that is what central government is saying about manufacturers and finance institutes) I personaly do not think so I reckon the students will still come and study (as would manufacturers and finance institutes) perhaps by taxing the students it may get them to think about the city and the other folk living in it ! having said that I do not agree with the taxing of students but can see both sides!
I am not a student so have nothing to gain by saying this, Students bring revenue to the city! they buy food/drink use public transport etc etc! by taxing them out of the city they will go to other universitys (or at least that is what central government is saying about manufacturers and finance institutes) I personaly do not think so I reckon the students will still come and study (as would manufacturers and finance institutes) perhaps by taxing the students it may get them to think about the city and the other folk living in it ! having said that I do not agree with the taxing of students but can see both sides! Dirk Von Roden

9:56pm Sun 25 Nov 12

Joshiman says...

Please someone explain why the Tory and Labour Councillors are doing nothing.They are just letting the Greens do what they like.
Please someone explain why the Tory and Labour Councillors are doing nothing.They are just letting the Greens do what they like. Joshiman

9:56pm Sun 25 Nov 12

Joshiman says...

Please someone explain why the Tory and Labour Councillors are doing nothing.They are just letting the Greens do what they like.
Please someone explain why the Tory and Labour Councillors are doing nothing.They are just letting the Greens do what they like. Joshiman

10:44pm Sun 25 Nov 12

Maxwell's Ghost says...

Dirk the demand for housing outstrips provision so even if the 4,500 student homes became available to working people the likelihood is that they would be snapped up.
The biggest spenders in any economy are first time young home buyers who purchase white goods and homewares not students in the lower income brackets.
And anyway with fees as high as they are, the likelihood is that unis will have to offer educational packages of fees and three year provided accommodation so the student homes will return to the open market.
Already in my street a quarter of the slum student homes have been sold to young couples and the transformation in the standard of property is immediate, new windows, render, gardens etc lots of investment for local traders.
Dirk the demand for housing outstrips provision so even if the 4,500 student homes became available to working people the likelihood is that they would be snapped up. The biggest spenders in any economy are first time young home buyers who purchase white goods and homewares not students in the lower income brackets. And anyway with fees as high as they are, the likelihood is that unis will have to offer educational packages of fees and three year provided accommodation so the student homes will return to the open market. Already in my street a quarter of the slum student homes have been sold to young couples and the transformation in the standard of property is immediate, new windows, render, gardens etc lots of investment for local traders. Maxwell's Ghost

10:55pm Sun 25 Nov 12

Kedge says...

Why are Labour and Tory councillors doing nothing? They're working on the principle of giving the Greens enough rope. Cynical business, politics.
Why are Labour and Tory councillors doing nothing? They're working on the principle of giving the Greens enough rope. Cynical business, politics. Kedge

11:05pm Sun 25 Nov 12

Vigilia says...

and all the while you and I have to find £1,000 a day to subsidise the travellers' transit site at Horsdean and the squatters' tolerated encampments around the City.
and all the while you and I have to find £1,000 a day to subsidise the travellers' transit site at Horsdean and the squatters' tolerated encampments around the City. Vigilia

11:21pm Sun 25 Nov 12

qm says...

vivelavive wrote:
GovindaTim wrote:
On_the_Level wrote:
It's about time 'Lone Rangers' get to pay their way - discount for living alone is absurd and unhealthy
You are an idiot.
Couldn't agree more!
Ditto - absolute twerp!
[quote][p][bold]vivelavive[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GovindaTim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]On_the_Level[/bold] wrote: It's about time 'Lone Rangers' get to pay their way - discount for living alone is absurd and unhealthy[/p][/quote]You are an idiot.[/p][/quote]Couldn't agree more![/p][/quote]Ditto - absolute twerp! qm

11:32pm Sun 25 Nov 12

Bearfaced says...

This article seems written deliberately to confuse the single-person discount which affects many people, including students and people on low incomes, and the second-home discount, which affects a lot fewer, and mostly better-off people.
This article seems written deliberately to confuse the single-person discount which affects many people, including students and people on low incomes, and the second-home discount, which affects a lot fewer, and mostly better-off people. Bearfaced

12:11am Mon 26 Nov 12

funkyyoyo says...

NickBtn wrote:
Very odd - the greens wanting to tax students, their key support group, more! That would go down well! Just shows how naive the greens are Won't ever happen as government has prevented councils from changing these parts of council tax Students please note - the greens will turn on you too....
if they do,just goto the ECHR everyone else seems too go down that road!!!
[quote][p][bold]NickBtn[/bold] wrote: Very odd - the greens wanting to tax students, their key support group, more! That would go down well! Just shows how naive the greens are Won't ever happen as government has prevented councils from changing these parts of council tax Students please note - the greens will turn on you too....[/p][/quote]if they do,just goto the ECHR everyone else seems too go down that road!!! funkyyoyo

12:13am Mon 26 Nov 12

funkyyoyo says...

Dealing with idiots wrote:
Joshiman wrote: Let them dare.Vote of absolutely No confidence in this Green Party.
Vote of no confidence e- petition goes live on the Brighton & Hove Tuesday. 1250 votes get it discussed in Full council. No more wait until the Greens implode policy from Labour and Conservatives thank you.
im on there and will spread the word big time
[quote][p][bold]Dealing with idiots[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Joshiman[/bold] wrote: Let them dare.Vote of absolutely No confidence in this Green Party.[/p][/quote]Vote of no confidence e- petition goes live on the Brighton & Hove Tuesday. 1250 votes get it discussed in Full council. No more wait until the Greens implode policy from Labour and Conservatives thank you.[/p][/quote]im on there and will spread the word big time funkyyoyo

12:13am Mon 26 Nov 12

greeg2 says...

On_the_Level wrote:
It's about time 'Lone Rangers' get to pay their way - discount for living alone is absurd and unhealthy
You've obviously never done a days work in your life.
[quote][p][bold]On_the_Level[/bold] wrote: It's about time 'Lone Rangers' get to pay their way - discount for living alone is absurd and unhealthy[/p][/quote]You've obviously never done a days work in your life. greeg2

12:15am Mon 26 Nov 12

funkyyoyo says...

Andy R wrote:
A dwelling wholly occupied by students is exempt from council tax anyway and the council has no power to change that. My understanding is that Kitcat is saying now that the Argus has misunderstood and that there never was any plan to charge students.
i wouldnt listen to a word that muppet kitkat has to say,he lied to me on the phone regarding the legislation in the road traffic manual act,what a numpty,no wonder he avoids my calls,be a man and call me back you useless mop bucket!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: A dwelling wholly occupied by students is exempt from council tax anyway and the council has no power to change that. My understanding is that Kitcat is saying now that the Argus has misunderstood and that there never was any plan to charge students.[/p][/quote]i wouldnt listen to a word that muppet kitkat has to say,he lied to me on the phone regarding the legislation in the road traffic manual act,what a numpty,no wonder he avoids my calls,be a man and call me back you useless mop bucket!!!! funkyyoyo

12:16am Mon 26 Nov 12

funkyyoyo says...

Zeta Function wrote:
Council tax is based on 1991 property values! No wonder there's a shortfall. It is time for all homes in England to be re-valued, accurately. Not the rushed job they did in 1991. And forget the mansion tax, bring in a banding system to accurately value real estate at the top end. The government says no. So we have this farce of Brighton and Hove council seeing if they can squeeze further funds from mainly the young and elderly. More injustice. Shambles. How much longer will people put up with this cloud cuckoo land goverment and their 'not fit for purpose' systems of administration?
mass non payment of council tax will have every tv station news company descending on brighton,rhe great british unwashed fight back!!'
[quote][p][bold]Zeta Function[/bold] wrote: Council tax is based on 1991 property values! No wonder there's a shortfall. It is time for all homes in England to be re-valued, accurately. Not the rushed job they did in 1991. And forget the mansion tax, bring in a banding system to accurately value real estate at the top end. The government says no. So we have this farce of Brighton and Hove council seeing if they can squeeze further funds from mainly the young and elderly. More injustice. Shambles. How much longer will people put up with this cloud cuckoo land goverment and their 'not fit for purpose' systems of administration?[/p][/quote]mass non payment of council tax will have every tv station news company descending on brighton,rhe great british unwashed fight back!!' funkyyoyo

12:17am Mon 26 Nov 12

funkyyoyo says...

Zeta Function wrote:
Council tax is based on 1991 property values! No wonder there's a shortfall. It is time for all homes in England to be re-valued, accurately. Not the rushed job they did in 1991. And forget the mansion tax, bring in a banding system to accurately value real estate at the top end. The government says no. So we have this farce of Brighton and Hove council seeing if they can squeeze further funds from mainly the young and elderly. More injustice. Shambles. How much longer will people put up with this cloud cuckoo land goverment and their 'not fit for purpose' systems of administration?
mass non payment of council tax will have every tv station news company descending on brighton,the great british unwashed fight back!! sometimes if you want whats right for you,fight your corner and never ever ever give up!!'
[quote][p][bold]Zeta Function[/bold] wrote: Council tax is based on 1991 property values! No wonder there's a shortfall. It is time for all homes in England to be re-valued, accurately. Not the rushed job they did in 1991. And forget the mansion tax, bring in a banding system to accurately value real estate at the top end. The government says no. So we have this farce of Brighton and Hove council seeing if they can squeeze further funds from mainly the young and elderly. More injustice. Shambles. How much longer will people put up with this cloud cuckoo land goverment and their 'not fit for purpose' systems of administration?[/p][/quote]mass non payment of council tax will have every tv station news company descending on brighton,the great british unwashed fight back!! sometimes if you want whats right for you,fight your corner and never ever ever give up!!' funkyyoyo

12:21am Mon 26 Nov 12

funkyyoyo says...

Hove Actually wrote:
So the greeies want to punish OAPs when one of them dies and the surviving spouse on a much reduced income has to pay 100% council tax instead of receiving a meager discount of 25%. You couldn't make this S**t up ........ unless your name is kitcrap
couldnt agree more with you,i made 2 mistakes in my life,one
was the old trout i went out with (the local tandem) and the 2 nd was voting for the greens,i feel utterly embarrased at the mistake i made!!! next time it WILL NOT be the greens. i heard the new leader on LBC radio today,and shes another looney! im sure you can download the broadcast on podcast or goto their website lbcdotcodotuk
[quote][p][bold]Hove Actually[/bold] wrote: So the greeies want to punish OAPs when one of them dies and the surviving spouse on a much reduced income has to pay 100% council tax instead of receiving a meager discount of 25%. You couldn't make this S**t up ........ unless your name is kitcrap[/p][/quote]couldnt agree more with you,i made 2 mistakes in my life,one was the old trout i went out with (the local tandem) and the 2 nd was voting for the greens,i feel utterly embarrased at the mistake i made!!! next time it WILL NOT be the greens. i heard the new leader on LBC radio today,and shes another looney! im sure you can download the broadcast on podcast or goto their website lbcdotcodotuk funkyyoyo

12:25am Mon 26 Nov 12

funkyyoyo says...

NickBtn wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote: If the council cannot charge for council tax for student properties via the council taxation route it can increase the HMO annual licence fee to £1,300 per annum which will cover the lost revenue and be levied directly on the owner or limited company many of the student lets are rented out under.
The council is not allowed to make a profit on HMO fees. Despite this they're still charging an average of over £600 for each - must be paying the inspectors a fortune for that visit! Will be very interesting when these are challenged later for the council to prove that a profit hasn't been made. I suspect lots of cash will be returned to landlords in a few years time With house prices at the high level they are in Brighton there aren't such huge profits that these costs will be paid for by the landlords - they will be passed on to the students (at a higher rate because the landlord needs to allow for fees/other taxes too) So one way or another, the cost would be paid for by the students. The students would pay more under this green policy....
its very simple,do a freedom of information request to the council directly, i did and had confirmation that the reason some parking bays are being repainted is because they are illegal,unenforcable and do not comply with current legislation, norfolk square,( going down off western road) is exactly my point, then go up the other side back onto western road,and hey presto....legally marked bays!! been a problem for council for at least 8 years when jenny rowland was running that 'not fit for puropose' signs and lines department within the council!!! tooroo!!!
[quote][p][bold]NickBtn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: If the council cannot charge for council tax for student properties via the council taxation route it can increase the HMO annual licence fee to £1,300 per annum which will cover the lost revenue and be levied directly on the owner or limited company many of the student lets are rented out under.[/p][/quote]The council is not allowed to make a profit on HMO fees. Despite this they're still charging an average of over £600 for each - must be paying the inspectors a fortune for that visit! Will be very interesting when these are challenged later for the council to prove that a profit hasn't been made. I suspect lots of cash will be returned to landlords in a few years time With house prices at the high level they are in Brighton there aren't such huge profits that these costs will be paid for by the landlords - they will be passed on to the students (at a higher rate because the landlord needs to allow for fees/other taxes too) So one way or another, the cost would be paid for by the students. The students would pay more under this green policy....[/p][/quote]its very simple,do a freedom of information request to the council directly, i did and had confirmation that the reason some parking bays are being repainted is because they are illegal,unenforcable and do not comply with current legislation, norfolk square,( going down off western road) is exactly my point, then go up the other side back onto western road,and hey presto....legally marked bays!! been a problem for council for at least 8 years when jenny rowland was running that 'not fit for puropose' signs and lines department within the council!!! tooroo!!! funkyyoyo

12:27am Mon 26 Nov 12

funkyyoyo says...

taman wrote:
where do i sign the no confidence e-petition ?
goto the councils website on tuesday,get all your friends family ex's,enemies to sign too!! iv so far got 35 people,and theyre mostly shopkeepers who are able to vote!!
[quote][p][bold]taman[/bold] wrote: where do i sign the no confidence e-petition ?[/p][/quote]goto the councils website on tuesday,get all your friends family ex's,enemies to sign too!! iv so far got 35 people,and theyre mostly shopkeepers who are able to vote!! funkyyoyo

12:30am Mon 26 Nov 12

funkyyoyo says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Ok Nick, the house next to me pays no council tax as its student exempt. However, waste is collected weekly. Also the refuse and fly tipping inspectors are here at least once a month as they just dump stuff and dump waste on the streets which is replicated across the city so I doubt profit would be made. Perhaps then it's time all of these student businesses are treated as all other businesses and the owners have to use private refuse collection. Quite frankly Nick I find it galling that the multi million pound owners of the house who don't even live in the city are reaping a tax break. Its typical that the rich get a hand out and leave residents to have to phone the council to clear the fly tipping or shovel up their waste every week without fail. However, the three Labour councillors representing the ward I live in are never to be seen and are completely useless at getting action.
sometimes a
gentle word with the student neighbours can work,it worked for me as they behave now i spoke to the letting agency. oh also the threat to sue the letting agents for breaching my human right to a quiet and peaceful life (on behalf of their tenants) worked!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Ok Nick, the house next to me pays no council tax as its student exempt. However, waste is collected weekly. Also the refuse and fly tipping inspectors are here at least once a month as they just dump stuff and dump waste on the streets which is replicated across the city so I doubt profit would be made. Perhaps then it's time all of these student businesses are treated as all other businesses and the owners have to use private refuse collection. Quite frankly Nick I find it galling that the multi million pound owners of the house who don't even live in the city are reaping a tax break. Its typical that the rich get a hand out and leave residents to have to phone the council to clear the fly tipping or shovel up their waste every week without fail. However, the three Labour councillors representing the ward I live in are never to be seen and are completely useless at getting action.[/p][/quote]sometimes a gentle word with the student neighbours can work,it worked for me as they behave now i spoke to the letting agency. oh also the threat to sue the letting agents for breaching my human right to a quiet and peaceful life (on behalf of their tenants) worked!!!!!!!! funkyyoyo

6:44am Mon 26 Nov 12

Maxwell's Ghost says...

It's not about the students, its the principle of the landlords running a business which receives a tax break ie not paying for refuse collection when every other business in this city has to hire a private refuse collection.
It's unfair, student lets are run as a business so the landlords should face the same tax as other businesses.
This council is only looking at clawing back money because its screwed up its key revenue stream which is parking.
The charges are so high that revenue is already £700,000 down so now the Greens are going to try and get us to pay for their mistake so yes, one could stop paying council tax until they agree to manage a golden revenue stream more appropriately.
They really don't have a grip on running a business which is really what councils are.
It's not about the students, its the principle of the landlords running a business which receives a tax break ie not paying for refuse collection when every other business in this city has to hire a private refuse collection. It's unfair, student lets are run as a business so the landlords should face the same tax as other businesses. This council is only looking at clawing back money because its screwed up its key revenue stream which is parking. The charges are so high that revenue is already £700,000 down so now the Greens are going to try and get us to pay for their mistake so yes, one could stop paying council tax until they agree to manage a golden revenue stream more appropriately. They really don't have a grip on running a business which is really what councils are. Maxwell's Ghost

7:55am Mon 26 Nov 12

Kate234 says...

Dealing with idiots wrote:
Joshiman wrote:
Let them dare.Vote of absolutely No confidence in this Green Party.
Vote of no confidence e- petition goes live on the Brighton & Hove Tuesday. 1250 votes get it discussed in Full council. No more wait until the Greens implode policy from Labour and Conservatives thank you.
If it gets discussed in full council is there anything full council can do to get rid of the Greens. Obviously it will create lots of bad PR for them nationally but other than this?
[quote][p][bold]Dealing with idiots[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Joshiman[/bold] wrote: Let them dare.Vote of absolutely No confidence in this Green Party.[/p][/quote]Vote of no confidence e- petition goes live on the Brighton & Hove Tuesday. 1250 votes get it discussed in Full council. No more wait until the Greens implode policy from Labour and Conservatives thank you.[/p][/quote]If it gets discussed in full council is there anything full council can do to get rid of the Greens. Obviously it will create lots of bad PR for them nationally but other than this? Kate234

8:47am Mon 26 Nov 12

whereisthe...? says...

Littman is an idiot - I have previously had dealings with this guy personally - he has a chip on his shoulder and thinks everyone is just being lazy (yet you should hear about his OWN background!) I should make clear this is not a grudge - just that the more I got to know him, the less I wanted to!


Believe the above or not - your choice, but I cant say I was surprised to learn this stupid idea was his work.

(And no, not going to go into details - this comments section is done on the basis of anonymity)
Littman is an idiot - I have previously had dealings with this guy personally - he has a chip on his shoulder and thinks everyone is just being lazy (yet you should hear about his OWN background!) I should make clear this is not a grudge - just that the more I got to know him, the less I wanted to! Believe the above or not - your choice, but I cant say I was surprised to learn this stupid idea was his work. (And no, not going to go into details - this comments section is done on the basis of anonymity) whereisthe...?

9:19am Mon 26 Nov 12

Smartbloke says...

Ah, the dim Argus Comments Section and their arrogant assumption that students voted The Greens in.

This city is full of ignorant people, and mostly read the Argus, it seems.
Ah, the dim Argus Comments Section and their arrogant assumption that students voted The Greens in. This city is full of ignorant people, and mostly read the Argus, it seems. Smartbloke

10:00am Mon 26 Nov 12

Crystal Ball says...

On_the_Level wrote:
It's about time 'Lone Rangers' get to pay their way - discount for living alone is absurd and unhealthy
You tool.
[quote][p][bold]On_the_Level[/bold] wrote: It's about time 'Lone Rangers' get to pay their way - discount for living alone is absurd and unhealthy[/p][/quote]You tool. Crystal Ball

10:10am Mon 26 Nov 12

Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit says...

I disagree with policy, but I applaud the Council for even considering it. It's actually proof that the Greens can do 'proper' politics as opposed to worrying about meat-eating or the color of the bikes in the local bike shop.

There. I've said a complimentary thing about Green councillors. I'm off for a lie-down ...
I disagree with policy, but I applaud the Council for even considering it. It's actually proof that the Greens can do 'proper' politics as opposed to worrying about meat-eating or the color of the bikes in the local bike shop. There. I've said a complimentary thing about Green councillors. I'm off for a lie-down ... Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit

10:31am Mon 26 Nov 12

Nosfaratu says...

Smartbloke wrote:
Ah, the dim Argus Comments Section and their arrogant assumption that students voted The Greens in. This city is full of ignorant people, and mostly read the Argus, it seems.
You seem to be on your own !
[quote][p][bold]Smartbloke[/bold] wrote: Ah, the dim Argus Comments Section and their arrogant assumption that students voted The Greens in. This city is full of ignorant people, and mostly read the Argus, it seems.[/p][/quote]You seem to be on your own ! Nosfaratu

11:19am Mon 26 Nov 12

Lady Smith says...

This is the e-petition URL - you have to sign up/log-in first. 84 of us have now signed it!

http://present.brigh
ton-hove.gov.uk/mgEP
etitionDisplay.aspx?
ID=346&RPID=6001827&
HPID=6001827
This is the e-petition URL - you have to sign up/log-in first. 84 of us have now signed it! http://present.brigh ton-hove.gov.uk/mgEP etitionDisplay.aspx? ID=346&RPID=6001827& HPID=6001827 Lady Smith

12:41pm Mon 26 Nov 12

Joshiman says...

http://present.brigh

ton-hove.gov.uk/mgEP

etitionDisplay.aspx?

ID=346&RPID=6001827&

HPID=6001827”
Is this correct ?it wont let me log on
also does anyone else find that the Argus website is slow and sometimes takes ages to load
http://present.brigh ton-hove.gov.uk/mgEP etitionDisplay.aspx? ID=346&RPID=6001827& HPID=6001827” Is this correct ?it wont let me log on also does anyone else find that the Argus website is slow and sometimes takes ages to load Joshiman

12:52pm Mon 26 Nov 12

Fight_Back says...

Zeta Function wrote:
Council tax is based on 1991 property values!
No wonder there's a shortfall.

It is time for all homes in England to be re-valued, accurately. Not the rushed job they did in 1991. And forget the mansion tax, bring in a banding system to accurately value real estate at the top end.

The government says no. So we have this farce of Brighton and Hove council seeing if they can squeeze further funds from mainly the young and elderly. More injustice.

Shambles.

How much longer will people put up with this cloud cuckoo land goverment and their 'not fit for purpose' systems of administration?
The band a property is in is based on 1991 property values NOT the amount of tax. It's pretty much irrelevant which point in time the band is calculated. Even properties that have been improved get re-graded. An interesting rant though !
[quote][p][bold]Zeta Function[/bold] wrote: Council tax is based on 1991 property values! No wonder there's a shortfall. It is time for all homes in England to be re-valued, accurately. Not the rushed job they did in 1991. And forget the mansion tax, bring in a banding system to accurately value real estate at the top end. The government says no. So we have this farce of Brighton and Hove council seeing if they can squeeze further funds from mainly the young and elderly. More injustice. Shambles. How much longer will people put up with this cloud cuckoo land goverment and their 'not fit for purpose' systems of administration?[/p][/quote]The band a property is in is based on 1991 property values NOT the amount of tax. It's pretty much irrelevant which point in time the band is calculated. Even properties that have been improved get re-graded. An interesting rant though ! Fight_Back

1:34pm Mon 26 Nov 12

Fairfax Sakes says...

The Greens…turn the hoses on them!
The Greens…turn the hoses on them! Fairfax Sakes

1:50pm Mon 26 Nov 12

Zamora25 says...

How about scrapping council tax altogether and everybody paying for the services they actually use? I would be quids in as I am currently subsiding every other person!
How about scrapping council tax altogether and everybody paying for the services they actually use? I would be quids in as I am currently subsiding every other person! Zamora25

2:05pm Mon 26 Nov 12

bas466 says...

On_the_Level wrote:
It's about time 'Lone Rangers' get to pay their way - discount for living alone is absurd and unhealthy
Explain why please as myself and many other single people would love to know your views on this.

I work full time, I pay my own way in life on what is classed as a low income so consequently I struggle to make ends meet month on month (I get no financial help from anyone by the way).

Why should I pay the same amount of council tax as a couple living together or a house share etc? There is only one of me, only one income, and we still only get 25% discount. Would you expect us single people to pay for other peoples groceries or other daily essentials? No, bet you wouldn't.
[quote][p][bold]On_the_Level[/bold] wrote: It's about time 'Lone Rangers' get to pay their way - discount for living alone is absurd and unhealthy[/p][/quote]Explain why please as myself and many other single people would love to know your views on this. I work full time, I pay my own way in life on what is classed as a low income so consequently I struggle to make ends meet month on month (I get no financial help from anyone by the way). Why should I pay the same amount of council tax as a couple living together or a house share etc? There is only one of me, only one income, and we still only get 25% discount. Would you expect us single people to pay for other peoples groceries or other daily essentials? No, bet you wouldn't. bas466

2:30pm Mon 26 Nov 12

wizard2 says...

Thanks B & H council. I have recently become a widow with 2 small children. I am working and struggling to make ends meet but great thank you for wanting to take away my 25% discount. I really want to work longer hours and be away from my children even more!
Thanks B & H council. I have recently become a widow with 2 small children. I am working and struggling to make ends meet but great thank you for wanting to take away my 25% discount. I really want to work longer hours and be away from my children even more! wizard2

4:38pm Mon 26 Nov 12

Bob! says...

bas466 wrote:
On_the_Level wrote: It's about time 'Lone Rangers' get to pay their way - discount for living alone is absurd and unhealthy
Explain why please as myself and many other single people would love to know your views on this. I work full time, I pay my own way in life on what is classed as a low income so consequently I struggle to make ends meet month on month (I get no financial help from anyone by the way). Why should I pay the same amount of council tax as a couple living together or a house share etc? There is only one of me, only one income, and we still only get 25% discount. Would you expect us single people to pay for other peoples groceries or other daily essentials? No, bet you wouldn't.
Because Council Tax is a property tax, that's why!
[quote][p][bold]bas466[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]On_the_Level[/bold] wrote: It's about time 'Lone Rangers' get to pay their way - discount for living alone is absurd and unhealthy[/p][/quote]Explain why please as myself and many other single people would love to know your views on this. I work full time, I pay my own way in life on what is classed as a low income so consequently I struggle to make ends meet month on month (I get no financial help from anyone by the way). Why should I pay the same amount of council tax as a couple living together or a house share etc? There is only one of me, only one income, and we still only get 25% discount. Would you expect us single people to pay for other peoples groceries or other daily essentials? No, bet you wouldn't.[/p][/quote]Because Council Tax is a property tax, that's why! Bob!

4:42pm Mon 26 Nov 12

Bob! says...

The reason for these changes is Central Government cuts to the funding of Council Tax discounts.

The Welfare Reform Act 2012 has abolished the existing national council tax benefit scheme with effect from 1 April 2013. The Government has passed most of the responsibility for deciding who should receive assistance with their Council Tax to individual local authorities.

The Government has also reduced the amount of money that it is giving local authorities to help pay for council tax support by 10% nationally.

Where do you suggest the extra money that the Government is asking all Council Tax payers should come from?

An across the board 10% rise in Council Tax perhaps?
The reason for these changes is Central Government cuts to the funding of Council Tax discounts. The Welfare Reform Act 2012 has abolished the existing national council tax benefit scheme with effect from 1 April 2013. The Government has passed most of the responsibility for deciding who should receive assistance with their Council Tax to individual local authorities. The Government has also reduced the amount of money that it is giving local authorities to help pay for council tax support by 10% nationally. Where do you suggest the extra money that the Government is asking all Council Tax payers should come from? An across the board 10% rise in Council Tax perhaps? Bob!

4:43pm Mon 26 Nov 12

Bob! says...

The reason for these changes is Central Government cuts to the funding of Council Tax discounts.

The Welfare Reform Act 2012 has abolished the existing national council tax benefit scheme with effect from 1 April 2013. The Government has passed most of the responsibility for deciding who should receive assistance with their Council Tax to individual local authorities.

The Government has also reduced the amount of money that it is giving local authorities to help pay for council tax support by 10% nationally.

Where do you suggest the extra money that the Government is asking all Council Tax payers should come from?

An across the board 10% rise in Council Tax perhaps?”
The reason for these changes is Central Government cuts to the funding of Council Tax discounts. The Welfare Reform Act 2012 has abolished the existing national council tax benefit scheme with effect from 1 April 2013. The Government has passed most of the responsibility for deciding who should receive assistance with their Council Tax to individual local authorities. The Government has also reduced the amount of money that it is giving local authorities to help pay for council tax support by 10% nationally. Where do you suggest the extra money that the Government is asking all Council Tax payers should come from? An across the board 10% rise in Council Tax perhaps?” Bob!

4:54pm Mon 26 Nov 12

Joshiman says...

Bob! wrote:
The reason for these changes is Central Government cuts to the funding of Council Tax discounts.

The Welfare Reform Act 2012 has abolished the existing national council tax benefit scheme with effect from 1 April 2013. The Government has passed most of the responsibility for deciding who should receive assistance with their Council Tax to individual local authorities.

The Government has also reduced the amount of money that it is giving local authorities to help pay for council tax support by 10% nationally.

Where do you suggest the extra money that the Government is asking all Council Tax payers should come from?

An across the board 10% rise in Council Tax perhaps?”
Simple cut down on the pen pushers/skivers/over
paid bosses who work for the council.
[quote][p][bold]Bob![/bold] wrote: The reason for these changes is Central Government cuts to the funding of Council Tax discounts. The Welfare Reform Act 2012 has abolished the existing national council tax benefit scheme with effect from 1 April 2013. The Government has passed most of the responsibility for deciding who should receive assistance with their Council Tax to individual local authorities. The Government has also reduced the amount of money that it is giving local authorities to help pay for council tax support by 10% nationally. Where do you suggest the extra money that the Government is asking all Council Tax payers should come from? An across the board 10% rise in Council Tax perhaps?”[/p][/quote]Simple cut down on the pen pushers/skivers/over paid bosses who work for the council. Joshiman

6:19pm Mon 26 Nov 12

Sussex jim says...

We must bring back the Poll Tax. It is the only way to ensure that everybody pays for local services.
We must bring back the Poll Tax. It is the only way to ensure that everybody pays for local services. Sussex jim

11:55am Tue 27 Nov 12

kapple999 says...

I think its diabolic to cut the single occupancy discount. Over the years my house reduced from 5 adults to just myself, but I only got a 25% reduction, whereas based upon council services consumed I should have had an 80% reduction!
I think its diabolic to cut the single occupancy discount. Over the years my house reduced from 5 adults to just myself, but I only got a 25% reduction, whereas based upon council services consumed I should have had an 80% reduction! kapple999

12:12pm Tue 27 Nov 12

ripmaxman says...

I think this whole issue revolves round the Green’s total mismanagement of the budgets they set.

They should take a course in how to set budgets correctly and not assume that taking a figure based on some spurious sum and dividing it up will be a true reflection of income less out goings. I wonder if anyone thought of doing a “what if” on the calculations.

Obviously not!!!!!!!! IDIOTS. What are the other parties doing to stop the Green’s ruining our City???

LET’S HAVE A VOTE OF NO CONFIDENCE
I think this whole issue revolves round the Green’s total mismanagement of the budgets they set. They should take a course in how to set budgets correctly and not assume that taking a figure based on some spurious sum and dividing it up will be a true reflection of income less out goings. I wonder if anyone thought of doing a “what if” on the calculations. Obviously not!!!!!!!! IDIOTS. What are the other parties doing to stop the Green’s ruining our City??? LET’S HAVE A VOTE OF NO CONFIDENCE ripmaxman

12:09pm Wed 28 Nov 12

westpiergone says...

Seems like this is going fhrough,just recieved a letter from Mr cat-crap`s council telling me i`ll have to pay towards my council tax from next april,.............B
ye Bye greens & good riddance !!!
Seems like this is going fhrough,just recieved a letter from Mr cat-crap`s council telling me i`ll have to pay towards my council tax from next april,.............B ye Bye greens & good riddance !!! westpiergone

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