Brighton couple devastated by homophobic attack

The Argus: Tony Minion and Graham Munday of Brighton were victims of what is believed to be a homophobic assault Tony Minion and Graham Munday of Brighton were victims of what is believed to be a homophobic assault

A gang battered a gay couple in a “horrific” homophobic assault as they made their way home after a night out.

Graham Munday, 42, and his partner Tony Minion, 52, told how they were kicked and punched in the head by five youths as they walked hand in hand through Brighton in the early hours of Saturday morning (December 15).

The incident comes ten years after Mr Munday was left with a broken nose after a similar homophobic attack.

Speaking to The Argus, he said: “It was horrible. You don’t expect that kind of thing to happen any more, especially in Brighton.

“It’s been nearly ten years since I was first attacked and I thought that things had changed. I’m just devastated.”

The couple were making their way back to their Grove Hill flat, in Brighton, following a night out in Kemp Town.

At around 2.30am they walked past the Blind Tiger Club on Grand Parade when five youths approached them.

'Terrifying'

Mr Munday, whose voice was trembling as he relived the horrific attack, said: “They started shouting homophobic abuse at us.

“Then they started punching.

“It was just terrifying, there was nothing we could do.”

His partner, Mr Minion added: “There were too many of them and they just knocked me to the floor.

“I couldn’t get up and then they started kicking me in the back and the head.

“There was a group of people nearby who just stood there and did nothing, that’s the worst thing about it.”

Distressed

The couple dialled 999 and officers were on the scene in minutes.

The men are described as white, in their twenties and wearing casual clothes.

Bloodied and suffering from shock, the couple rushed to the safety of a nearby friend’s house.

Mike Nelson, 49, who was woken by the sound of the doorbell, opened the front door to see his pals in a terrible state.

He said: “They were both extremely distressed and had a number of cuts and bruises.

“I sat them down, patched them up and gave them a cup of tea.”

“Graham was attacked a few years ago and he’s just devastated that this has happened again.

“He isn’t someone who shows a lot of public affection so this will really knock his confidence.”

'Better education'

Mr Munday, who works in mediation, appeared on the front page of The Argus back in 2002 when he was set upon by a gang of youths just a couple of roads away on Ashton Rise.

On that occasion, the then 32-year-old was left with a broken nose and two black eyes.

He added: “It’s just really upsetting that this can still happen.

“I don’t think the law is a problem, that’s all in place. There needs to be better education for people like this.”

Police are investigating the incident and anyone who witnessed the attack or has any information should contact them on 101.

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1:10pm Mon 17 Dec 12

heartthrob says...

How awful for you.

I hope that any cctv and the full force of the law can be brought on these ill-educated nasty people. There is no place for them in what we pride as a tolerant city.

(nice matching beards and shirts by the way)
How awful for you. I hope that any cctv and the full force of the law can be brought on these ill-educated nasty people. There is no place for them in what we pride as a tolerant city. (nice matching beards and shirts by the way) heartthrob

1:16pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Number Six says...

Someone remind me about Brighton being such an inclusive and tolerant place. It's more like the backwoods of Texas.

Hope they catch the B'Stards responsible
Someone remind me about Brighton being such an inclusive and tolerant place. It's more like the backwoods of Texas. Hope they catch the B'Stards responsible Number Six

1:20pm Mon 17 Dec 12

tooned_in says...

Sad news this as a straight lad from Brighton & Hove this reflects badly on the others like myself, hopefully Mr Munday & Mr Minion will recognise that this was a random attack from a cowardly group of small minded & probably drunk idiots.
Hope you both make a speedy recovery form these injuries and know that apart from a handfull of **** the rest of the city cares not for your choice in sexuality and is very happy to live side by side with all people regardless of sexuality, race or religon!!
Sad news this as a straight lad from Brighton & Hove this reflects badly on the others like myself, hopefully Mr Munday & Mr Minion will recognise that this was a random attack from a cowardly group of small minded & probably drunk idiots. Hope you both make a speedy recovery form these injuries and know that apart from a handfull of **** the rest of the city cares not for your choice in sexuality and is very happy to live side by side with all people regardless of sexuality, race or religon!! tooned_in

1:27pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Reporter1 says...

This was a nasty attack and we hope the couple make a speedy recovery. Just to balance things out. How many other attacks took place at the weekend and did the victims need hospital treatment?

It would go to show how safe it is to get home in one piece after a night out
This was a nasty attack and we hope the couple make a speedy recovery. Just to balance things out. How many other attacks took place at the weekend and did the victims need hospital treatment? It would go to show how safe it is to get home in one piece after a night out Reporter1

1:42pm Mon 17 Dec 12

s&k says...

Unfortunately this seems to be the new face of Brighton - drunken, violent behaviour the result of years of over-expansion of the city's nightlife.
Unfortunately this seems to be the new face of Brighton - drunken, violent behaviour the result of years of over-expansion of the city's nightlife. s&k

1:50pm Mon 17 Dec 12

PorkBoat says...

I got battered by five "youths" once, no one gave a hoot, especially the police, who threatened to arrest ME, and dragged one of my friends into their van and battered him. They said "What do you expect in Brighton on a Saturday night? Now **** off home before we nick you". Not belittling this attack, but it happens to all sorts, straight, gay, whatever. Hope you both recover soon.
I got battered by five "youths" once, no one gave a hoot, especially the police, who threatened to arrest ME, and dragged one of my friends into their van and battered him. They said "What do you expect in Brighton on a Saturday night? Now **** off home before we nick you". Not belittling this attack, but it happens to all sorts, straight, gay, whatever. Hope you both recover soon. PorkBoat

2:15pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Ballroom Blitz says...

There are some truly nasty individuals out on our streets. What happened to these two chaps is disgraceful.
If I had my way I would lock the perpetrators up and throw away the key. But if they are caught, they probably won't even get a prison sentence.
Just another thing that's wrong with this sick country.
There are some truly nasty individuals out on our streets. What happened to these two chaps is disgraceful. If I had my way I would lock the perpetrators up and throw away the key. But if they are caught, they probably won't even get a prison sentence. Just another thing that's wrong with this sick country. Ballroom Blitz

2:16pm Mon 17 Dec 12

asm249 says...

I agree that it could be anyone regardless of race or sexuality. I am regularly threatened by groups of youth (even during the day). The common denominator is that there are more of them than me. It is an adult form of playground bullying.
I agree that it could be anyone regardless of race or sexuality. I am regularly threatened by groups of youth (even during the day). The common denominator is that there are more of them than me. It is an adult form of playground bullying. asm249

2:37pm Mon 17 Dec 12

jimthedoorman says...

asm249 wrote:
I agree that it could be anyone regardless of race or sexuality. I am regularly threatened by groups of youth (even during the day). The common denominator is that there are more of them than me. It is an adult form of playground bullying.
You're absolutely right. No more than playground bullying. Except there are regularly not teachers to supervise the "children" and stop it.

I know the Kemptown, Grove Hill, Queens Park, Ashton Rise and Grand Parade area very well as I both live and work around these areas. There are many, many cameras around the area belonging to both private and council run areas. Although this is of small comfort after the event, I hope that the perpetrators of this terrible act of violence will be brought to justice.

And for all those that complain "Oh, I was beaten up once and then the Police threatened me" wise up.
I've seen people being beaten up and it does go on. Let me give you a classic example of one of the many times I've seen this go on.
In my opinion, both parties were drunk. One wound up the other and it went from there. They were not angry or giving any grief to any other person on the street apart from themselves. Although I was off duty at the time, if it had escalated to anything more serious I would have felt the human factor and tried to reason with them to stop it escalating to violence. I am NOT a have a go hero.
Nothing happened apart from the Police saw it on the cameras, came over and tried to talk with them both. Both were arrested and then directed their anger towards the Police who were not taking any of their flailing fists and had no choice but to arrest them.

You see this so often on TV prgrammes from around the country when you get some bigmouth who thinks they're above the law, spouting off a tirade of abuse and when the Police even go near them (cameras or not) start screaming saying "OH, THAT HURTS. STOP HURTING ME" even though they've probably just kicked 7 bells out of someone.

NO sympathy for those people in their current attitude whatsoever. Be it verbal or physical bullying, nobody deserves to be treated like this at any point.

Wherever people are, there will be bullies, there will be people out for an argument, there will be violent people. I'm just one cog in a very large part of Brighton trying to put a stop to it.
[quote][p][bold]asm249[/bold] wrote: I agree that it could be anyone regardless of race or sexuality. I am regularly threatened by groups of youth (even during the day). The common denominator is that there are more of them than me. It is an adult form of playground bullying.[/p][/quote]You're absolutely right. No more than playground bullying. Except there are regularly not teachers to supervise the "children" and stop it. I know the Kemptown, Grove Hill, Queens Park, Ashton Rise and Grand Parade area very well as I both live and work around these areas. There are many, many cameras around the area belonging to both private and council run areas. Although this is of small comfort after the event, I hope that the perpetrators of this terrible act of violence will be brought to justice. And for all those that complain "Oh, I was beaten up once and then the Police threatened me" wise up. I've seen people being beaten up and it does go on. Let me give you a classic example of one of the many times I've seen this go on. In my opinion, both parties were drunk. One wound up the other and it went from there. They were not angry or giving any grief to any other person on the street apart from themselves. Although I was off duty at the time, if it had escalated to anything more serious I would have felt the human factor and tried to reason with them to stop it escalating to violence. I am NOT a have a go hero. Nothing happened apart from the Police saw it on the cameras, came over and tried to talk with them both. Both were arrested and then directed their anger towards the Police who were not taking any of their flailing fists and had no choice but to arrest them. You see this so often on TV prgrammes from around the country when you get some bigmouth who thinks they're above the law, spouting off a tirade of abuse and when the Police even go near them (cameras or not) start screaming saying "OH, THAT HURTS. STOP HURTING ME" even though they've probably just kicked 7 bells out of someone. NO sympathy for those people in their current attitude whatsoever. Be it verbal or physical bullying, nobody deserves to be treated like this at any point. Wherever people are, there will be bullies, there will be people out for an argument, there will be violent people. I'm just one cog in a very large part of Brighton trying to put a stop to it. jimthedoorman

2:40pm Mon 17 Dec 12

jimthedoorman says...

One more comment...

If you see it, if you experience it, if you feel that someone else is experiencing it and not letting on (ie domestic abuse) then REPORT IT.
Call the Police.
Don't be a vigilante.
Don't be a hero.
In an emergency ALWAYS call 999.
One more comment... If you see it, if you experience it, if you feel that someone else is experiencing it and not letting on (ie domestic abuse) then REPORT IT. Call the Police. Don't be a vigilante. Don't be a hero. In an emergency ALWAYS call 999. jimthedoorman

2:58pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Sue De Nimes says...

I am not convinced there is any homophobic element to this at all.

Unfortunately in this country now we have a feral underclass. There are attacks like this on a regular basis up and down the country.

Yes, there was anti gay abuse but it could have so easily have been for any of a number of reasons. It is quite likely the gang involved just viewed the assault as a "bit of fun" for the night.

The problem isn't "homophobia" it is violent and aggressive individuals.
I am not convinced there is any homophobic element to this at all. Unfortunately in this country now we have a feral underclass. There are attacks like this on a regular basis up and down the country. Yes, there was anti gay abuse but it could have so easily have been for any of a number of reasons. It is quite likely the gang involved just viewed the assault as a "bit of fun" for the night. The problem isn't "homophobia" it is violent and aggressive individuals. Sue De Nimes

3:01pm Mon 17 Dec 12

qm says...

Somebody sensible somewhere knows something - do the right thing - pick up the phone . . . .
Somebody sensible somewhere knows something - do the right thing - pick up the phone . . . . qm

3:01pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Sue De Nimes says...

To add : I think that with Brighton and Hove being the most godless city in the country this sort of thing is more likely here.
To add : I think that with Brighton and Hove being the most godless city in the country this sort of thing is more likely here. Sue De Nimes

3:04pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Crystal Ball says...

Sue De Nimes wrote:
To add : I think that with Brighton and Hove being the most godless city in the country this sort of thing is more likely here.
You think (lack of) religion has anything to do with these attacks?
[quote][p][bold]Sue De Nimes[/bold] wrote: To add : I think that with Brighton and Hove being the most godless city in the country this sort of thing is more likely here.[/p][/quote]You think (lack of) religion has anything to do with these attacks? Crystal Ball

3:04pm Mon 17 Dec 12

asm249 says...

Thugs will make up any reason for starting on a person. They are not exactly on some moral crusade.
Thugs will make up any reason for starting on a person. They are not exactly on some moral crusade. asm249

3:09pm Mon 17 Dec 12

sussexram40 says...

It's sad but true - but walking around central Brighton at 2.30am is dangerous - regardless of whather you are straight or gay and regardless of whether you are alone, 2 same sex people or a man and a woman. In fact I'd say a man on his own would be at greater risk than a gay couple.
Unfortunately there is a big lack of visible police officers on the streets. Police should not be sitting in their cars, they should be patrolling the city streets on foot in pairs to act as a visible deterrent and to help the decent law abiding citizens feel safer.
The other thing is there needs to be zero tolerance to bad and drunken behaviour. Too often I see packs of drunk rowdies and Police sitting in a van just watching them. That's not good enough. Get them off the streets.
It's sad but true - but walking around central Brighton at 2.30am is dangerous - regardless of whather you are straight or gay and regardless of whether you are alone, 2 same sex people or a man and a woman. In fact I'd say a man on his own would be at greater risk than a gay couple. Unfortunately there is a big lack of visible police officers on the streets. Police should not be sitting in their cars, they should be patrolling the city streets on foot in pairs to act as a visible deterrent and to help the decent law abiding citizens feel safer. The other thing is there needs to be zero tolerance to bad and drunken behaviour. Too often I see packs of drunk rowdies and Police sitting in a van just watching them. That's not good enough. Get them off the streets. sussexram40

3:28pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Hoarder12345444 says...

PorkBoat wrote:
I got battered by five "youths" once, no one gave a hoot, especially the police, who threatened to arrest ME, and dragged one of my friends into their van and battered him. They said "What do you expect in Brighton on a Saturday night? Now **** off home before we nick you". Not belittling this attack, but it happens to all sorts, straight, gay, whatever. Hope you both recover soon.
Wow that is shocking! When I was about 19 I was started on near Brighton station, apparently I was accused of looking at someone the wrong way, someones girlfriend. I was jumped by about 5 men and beaten and bloodied. Nothing broken and fortunately I wasnt stabbed. I then decided to hit the weights to bulk up and since then nothing has happened. These people are complete cowards and will attack the weak in packs because they are not man enough to do it fair one on one. Brighton is dangerous at this time. I have never been attacked or approached since I was 19. I worry when my girfriend is out with her friends because I know what drunk, aggressive men are like. She is savvy but small and vulnerable. This is one of the reasons I rarely go out in central Brighton anymore until that time. I have seen many fights in clubs and on streets and they are not pleasant. Such a shame for these guys really. These thugs need a slight reason to set them off like a pack of feral dogs.
[quote][p][bold]PorkBoat[/bold] wrote: I got battered by five "youths" once, no one gave a hoot, especially the police, who threatened to arrest ME, and dragged one of my friends into their van and battered him. They said "What do you expect in Brighton on a Saturday night? Now **** off home before we nick you". Not belittling this attack, but it happens to all sorts, straight, gay, whatever. Hope you both recover soon.[/p][/quote]Wow that is shocking! When I was about 19 I was started on near Brighton station, apparently I was accused of looking at someone the wrong way, someones girlfriend. I was jumped by about 5 men and beaten and bloodied. Nothing broken and fortunately I wasnt stabbed. I then decided to hit the weights to bulk up and since then nothing has happened. These people are complete cowards and will attack the weak in packs because they are not man enough to do it fair one on one. Brighton is dangerous at this time. I have never been attacked or approached since I was 19. I worry when my girfriend is out with her friends because I know what drunk, aggressive men are like. She is savvy but small and vulnerable. This is one of the reasons I rarely go out in central Brighton anymore until that time. I have seen many fights in clubs and on streets and they are not pleasant. Such a shame for these guys really. These thugs need a slight reason to set them off like a pack of feral dogs. Hoarder12345444

3:40pm Mon 17 Dec 12

tooned_in says...

jimthedoorman wrote:
One more comment...

If you see it, if you experience it, if you feel that someone else is experiencing it and not letting on (ie domestic abuse) then REPORT IT.
Call the Police.
Don't be a vigilante.
Don't be a hero.
In an emergency ALWAYS call 999.
................and if noone else can help maybe you could hire...............
[quote][p][bold]jimthedoorman[/bold] wrote: One more comment... If you see it, if you experience it, if you feel that someone else is experiencing it and not letting on (ie domestic abuse) then REPORT IT. Call the Police. Don't be a vigilante. Don't be a hero. In an emergency ALWAYS call 999.[/p][/quote]................and if noone else can help maybe you could hire............... tooned_in

3:45pm Mon 17 Dec 12

jay316 says...

Sadly CCTV is never in the right place when you need it..

Glad to see police were speedy, sadly this doesn't happen enough.

Shame more people don't carry Dye Spray. If you are being attacked spray on the attacker will have a red face as it dyes them.
Sadly CCTV is never in the right place when you need it.. Glad to see police were speedy, sadly this doesn't happen enough. Shame more people don't carry Dye Spray. If you are being attacked spray on the attacker will have a red face as it dyes them. jay316

3:50pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Algeria Touchshriek says...

I can't blame the bystanders doing nothing. These days all sorts of people carry knives and (more London, than Brighton) guns. I am afraid I am not going to leave Mrs Touchshriek a widow all because I played hero and helped a couple of late night revelers sort out a fight.

My advice to the two chaps, taken from my late Grandfather who was possible one of the hardest men in Brighton EVER during his day, is if confronted with this awful situation, bit of youy focus your attention on the littlest of the gang.

Whilst you are getting a kicking, both punch, bite, kick and generally whack the living daylights out of the small one. If you hospitalise him the police can even catch the rest. Do not stop beating him until the end.
I can't blame the bystanders doing nothing. These days all sorts of people carry knives and (more London, than Brighton) guns. I am afraid I am not going to leave Mrs Touchshriek a widow all because I played hero and helped a couple of late night revelers sort out a fight. My advice to the two chaps, taken from my late Grandfather who was possible one of the hardest men in Brighton EVER during his day, is if confronted with this awful situation, bit of youy focus your attention on the littlest of the gang. Whilst you are getting a kicking, both punch, bite, kick and generally whack the living daylights out of the small one. If you hospitalise him the police can even catch the rest. Do not stop beating him until the end. Algeria Touchshriek

4:02pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Joshiman says...

Five years minimum with no parole.There are friends of theirs who should report these morons to the police.
Five years minimum with no parole.There are friends of theirs who should report these morons to the police. Joshiman

4:02pm Mon 17 Dec 12

sunnybrighton says...

As a gay man myself in a civil partnership, I would not walk around Brighton in the early of the morning holding hands. I would also say it is not a good idea at any time, things are changing for the better but there is still prejudice among a lot of people.
As a gay man myself in a civil partnership, I would not walk around Brighton in the early of the morning holding hands. I would also say it is not a good idea at any time, things are changing for the better but there is still prejudice among a lot of people. sunnybrighton

4:02pm Mon 17 Dec 12

sussexram40 says...

It's getting so bad that everyone will feel the need to carry a knife when they go out soon just so they can defend themselves. That'll be the result of this softly softly approach the authorities and courts take. Zero tolerance is the only answer. It's crazy when decent people don't go out in the city centre late at night because it's not safe, and b all seems to be done about the mindless drunks and thugs who roam the streets.
It's getting so bad that everyone will feel the need to carry a knife when they go out soon just so they can defend themselves. That'll be the result of this softly softly approach the authorities and courts take. Zero tolerance is the only answer. It's crazy when decent people don't go out in the city centre late at night because it's not safe, and b all seems to be done about the mindless drunks and thugs who roam the streets. sussexram40

4:54pm Mon 17 Dec 12

PorkBoat says...

Hoarder12345444 wrote:
PorkBoat wrote:
I got battered by five "youths" once, no one gave a hoot, especially the police, who threatened to arrest ME, and dragged one of my friends into their van and battered him. They said "What do you expect in Brighton on a Saturday night? Now **** off home before we nick you". Not belittling this attack, but it happens to all sorts, straight, gay, whatever. Hope you both recover soon.
Wow that is shocking! When I was about 19 I was started on near Brighton station, apparently I was accused of looking at someone the wrong way, someones girlfriend. I was jumped by about 5 men and beaten and bloodied. Nothing broken and fortunately I wasnt stabbed. I then decided to hit the weights to bulk up and since then nothing has happened. These people are complete cowards and will attack the weak in packs because they are not man enough to do it fair one on one. Brighton is dangerous at this time. I have never been attacked or approached since I was 19. I worry when my girfriend is out with her friends because I know what drunk, aggressive men are like. She is savvy but small and vulnerable. This is one of the reasons I rarely go out in central Brighton anymore until that time. I have seen many fights in clubs and on streets and they are not pleasant. Such a shame for these guys really. These thugs need a slight reason to set them off like a pack of feral dogs.
Yep, near Brighton station was where it happened to me as well, just on my way home after a night out, got jumped by a gang of "casuals". "Oi, you're Palace aincha?" and before I knew it, I was headbutted, and lying on the ground getting a kicking.
[quote][p][bold]Hoarder12345444[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PorkBoat[/bold] wrote: I got battered by five "youths" once, no one gave a hoot, especially the police, who threatened to arrest ME, and dragged one of my friends into their van and battered him. They said "What do you expect in Brighton on a Saturday night? Now **** off home before we nick you". Not belittling this attack, but it happens to all sorts, straight, gay, whatever. Hope you both recover soon.[/p][/quote]Wow that is shocking! When I was about 19 I was started on near Brighton station, apparently I was accused of looking at someone the wrong way, someones girlfriend. I was jumped by about 5 men and beaten and bloodied. Nothing broken and fortunately I wasnt stabbed. I then decided to hit the weights to bulk up and since then nothing has happened. These people are complete cowards and will attack the weak in packs because they are not man enough to do it fair one on one. Brighton is dangerous at this time. I have never been attacked or approached since I was 19. I worry when my girfriend is out with her friends because I know what drunk, aggressive men are like. She is savvy but small and vulnerable. This is one of the reasons I rarely go out in central Brighton anymore until that time. I have seen many fights in clubs and on streets and they are not pleasant. Such a shame for these guys really. These thugs need a slight reason to set them off like a pack of feral dogs.[/p][/quote]Yep, near Brighton station was where it happened to me as well, just on my way home after a night out, got jumped by a gang of "casuals". "Oi, you're Palace aincha?" and before I knew it, I was headbutted, and lying on the ground getting a kicking. PorkBoat

5:32pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Tussle says...

Where's Chuck Norris when you need him?
Where's Chuck Norris when you need him? Tussle

5:45pm Mon 17 Dec 12

mark by the sea says...

asm249 wrote:
Thugs will make up any reason for starting on a person. They are not exactly on some moral crusade.
Exactly, people like this scum go out looking for trouble, and if your the unlucky. One they come across , then it's a bad day.
Surely the police could use under cover officers in areas like this, as a sting arrangement? Where police put themselves in areas and induce the idiots out into the open?
Without being a snob, the John st area is not a nice area.. Day or night, two min walk from st James st
[quote][p][bold]asm249[/bold] wrote: Thugs will make up any reason for starting on a person. They are not exactly on some moral crusade.[/p][/quote]Exactly, people like this scum go out looking for trouble, and if your the unlucky. One they come across , then it's a bad day. Surely the police could use under cover officers in areas like this, as a sting arrangement? Where police put themselves in areas and induce the idiots out into the open? Without being a snob, the John st area is not a nice area.. Day or night, two min walk from st James st mark by the sea

6:03pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Moodycow70 says...

Attend a peaceful protest in Brighton and the CCTV camera image will be picture perfect ... for some reason when it comes to homophobic attacks , they ' appear too grainy to tell who the attackers are' ..I hope they do catch them...and make an example to the nation that its not going to be ' tolerated '
Attend a peaceful protest in Brighton and the CCTV camera image will be picture perfect ... for some reason when it comes to homophobic attacks , they ' appear too grainy to tell who the attackers are' ..I hope they do catch them...and make an example to the nation that its not going to be ' tolerated ' Moodycow70

6:43pm Mon 17 Dec 12

D360 says...

sussexram40 wrote:
It's sad but true - but walking around central Brighton at 2.30am is dangerous - regardless of whather you are straight or gay and regardless of whether you are alone, 2 same sex people or a man and a woman. In fact I'd say a man on his own would be at greater risk than a gay couple.
Unfortunately there is a big lack of visible police officers on the streets. Police should not be sitting in their cars, they should be patrolling the city streets on foot in pairs to act as a visible deterrent and to help the decent law abiding citizens feel safer.
The other thing is there needs to be zero tolerance to bad and drunken behaviour. Too often I see packs of drunk rowdies and Police sitting in a van just watching them. That's not good enough. Get them off the streets.
Absolute nonsense. If I call the police I want them to rush to me in minutes like they did in this case not be wondering about on foot. There are extra cops and bouncers standing on West Street every Saturday and people still fight.
Read a paper, watch the TV, the emergency services are all overstretched as it is.
[quote][p][bold]sussexram40[/bold] wrote: It's sad but true - but walking around central Brighton at 2.30am is dangerous - regardless of whather you are straight or gay and regardless of whether you are alone, 2 same sex people or a man and a woman. In fact I'd say a man on his own would be at greater risk than a gay couple. Unfortunately there is a big lack of visible police officers on the streets. Police should not be sitting in their cars, they should be patrolling the city streets on foot in pairs to act as a visible deterrent and to help the decent law abiding citizens feel safer. The other thing is there needs to be zero tolerance to bad and drunken behaviour. Too often I see packs of drunk rowdies and Police sitting in a van just watching them. That's not good enough. Get them off the streets.[/p][/quote]Absolute nonsense. If I call the police I want them to rush to me in minutes like they did in this case not be wondering about on foot. There are extra cops and bouncers standing on West Street every Saturday and people still fight. Read a paper, watch the TV, the emergency services are all overstretched as it is. D360

6:51pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Spx says...

I hope you guys recover soon, the idiots that did this may never recover.
I hope you guys recover soon, the idiots that did this may never recover. Spx

7:58pm Mon 17 Dec 12

sussexram40 says...

The Police are overstretched as it is and I understand the cutbacks mean even fewer Police not more. We need more Police officers to keep us safe and catch the scum who do things like this.
The Police are overstretched as it is and I understand the cutbacks mean even fewer Police not more. We need more Police officers to keep us safe and catch the scum who do things like this. sussexram40

10:58pm Mon 17 Dec 12

brightonrock1947 says...

Individually the thug is nothing much, but when in a gang the pack mentality takes over, alcohol fueled now creates a have-a-go menace on the streets. So long as the police continue with their softly softly pat on the hand, this kind of behavior will always be common. I say 1300 hours community service for every thug found guilty of violence, that is 50 hrs a week for 6 months working around the city cleaning pavements, walls, bridges, drains etc. 2600 hrs for 2nd offence. Don't turn up for work? think it's a laugh, then benefits get reduced by 50% immediately. These people can't learn easily it must be harsh otherwise they're never learn
Individually the thug is nothing much, but when in a gang the pack mentality takes over, alcohol fueled now creates a have-a-go menace on the streets. So long as the police continue with their softly softly pat on the hand, this kind of behavior will always be common. I say 1300 hours community service for every thug found guilty of violence, that is 50 hrs a week for 6 months working around the city cleaning pavements, walls, bridges, drains etc. 2600 hrs for 2nd offence. Don't turn up for work? think it's a laugh, then benefits get reduced by 50% immediately. These people can't learn easily it must be harsh otherwise they're never learn brightonrock1947

11:23pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Ivanna Goodhump says...

south1919 wrote:
Are the heads upside down
When I first saw the photo I thought it was a Desperate Dan lookalike competition.
[quote][p][bold]south1919[/bold] wrote: Are the heads upside down[/p][/quote]When I first saw the photo I thought it was a Desperate Dan lookalike competition. Ivanna Goodhump

11:41pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Nitrous_McBread says...

Sue De Nimes wrote:
To add : I think that with Brighton and Hove being the most godless city in the country this sort of thing is more likely here.
Breathtakingly illogical and stunningly imbecilic sentence right there.

Bring to me these violently homophobic atheists about whom you babble, Sue. Go on, I double dare you.

And after you've tried and failed, I'll bore you rigid recounting the endless sickening exhortations to violence against gay people in page after page of all the major religions' so-called holy books.

To Tony & Graham: please don't let this change you. Brighton loves you. And even black and blue you're still red hot x
[quote][p][bold]Sue De Nimes[/bold] wrote: To add : I think that with Brighton and Hove being the most godless city in the country this sort of thing is more likely here.[/p][/quote]Breathtakingly illogical and stunningly imbecilic sentence right there. Bring to me these violently homophobic atheists about whom you babble, Sue. Go on, I double dare you. And after you've tried and failed, I'll bore you rigid recounting the endless sickening exhortations to violence against gay people in page after page of all the major religions' so-called holy books. To Tony & Graham: please don't let this change you. Brighton loves you. And even black and blue you're still red hot x Nitrous_McBread

11:48pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Brighton_Lad says...

Nitrous_McBread wrote:
Sue De Nimes wrote:
To add : I think that with Brighton and Hove being the most godless city in the country this sort of thing is more likely here.
Breathtakingly illogical and stunningly imbecilic sentence right there.

Bring to me these violently homophobic atheists about whom you babble, Sue. Go on, I double dare you.

And after you've tried and failed, I'll bore you rigid recounting the endless sickening exhortations to violence against gay people in page after page of all the major religions' so-called holy books.

To Tony & Graham: please don't let this change you. Brighton loves you. And even black and blue you're still red hot x
Brilliant post! My sentiments exactly. All the best for a full recovery lads!
[quote][p][bold]Nitrous_McBread[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sue De Nimes[/bold] wrote: To add : I think that with Brighton and Hove being the most godless city in the country this sort of thing is more likely here.[/p][/quote]Breathtakingly illogical and stunningly imbecilic sentence right there. Bring to me these violently homophobic atheists about whom you babble, Sue. Go on, I double dare you. And after you've tried and failed, I'll bore you rigid recounting the endless sickening exhortations to violence against gay people in page after page of all the major religions' so-called holy books. To Tony & Graham: please don't let this change you. Brighton loves you. And even black and blue you're still red hot x[/p][/quote]Brilliant post! My sentiments exactly. All the best for a full recovery lads! Brighton_Lad

12:19am Tue 18 Dec 12

zeon says...

In this era and this town this attitude shouldn't occur. We are ment to be smarter than our ancestors so why do people insist on hurting one another. If the attacker is reading this I would like to ask are you really proud of what you have done to two guys who were just minding their own business and is your mother proudto see what a monster her son is.... I doubt it as any parent would be horrified to find this out and luckily your not my child as you would be dis owned... Hatred is not a instinct we are born with it is learnt behaviour and I hope one of two things happen...... First the police find the attackers and bring to justice with NO community resolution maximum charges or two.... Guilty concious catches up. I am sorry again to hear brighton gets like this. I am not a have a go hero but I couldn't stand by and watch someone being attacked.... hope you both get life back on tracks soon ....
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In this era and this town this attitude shouldn't occur. We are ment to be smarter than our ancestors so why do people insist on hurting one another. If the attacker is reading this I would like to ask are you really proud of what you have done to two guys who were just minding their own business and is your mother proudto see what a monster her son is.... I doubt it as any parent would be horrified to find this out and luckily your not my child as you would be dis owned... Hatred is not a instinct we are born with it is learnt behaviour and I hope one of two things happen...... First the police find the attackers and bring to justice with NO community resolution maximum charges or two.... Guilty concious catches up. I am sorry again to hear brighton gets like this. I am not a have a go hero but I couldn't stand by and watch someone being attacked.... hope you both get life back on tracks soon .... .. zeon

7:43am Tue 18 Dec 12

whereisthe...? says...

Not a lot has changed in Brighton over the past ten years - the reality is this kind of thing is a constant here. Will something REALLY be done to change this?
Not a lot has changed in Brighton over the past ten years - the reality is this kind of thing is a constant here. Will something REALLY be done to change this? whereisthe...?

8:36am Tue 18 Dec 12

John Steed says...

"Speaking to The Argus, he said: “It was horrible. You don’t expect that kind of thing to happen any more, especially in Brighton" sorry chap it happened to you 10 years ago and it is a regular occurance in brighton, late night assaults that is, its also a reguular occurance almost everywhere.
how ever these sort of cretins would probally have hurled racist abuse if the victims where coloured and if it had been someone my age then ageist remarks would have been shouted. the reality is that the morons who carry out these assaults just go for targets of opportunity often fueled up by alcohol. and/or other substances.
there is no excuse for violence in our society, domestic or otherwise.
but all the time brighton wants to be the premier clubbing and entertainment capital of the south and businesses are greedy for the lucre all forms of anti social behaviour from a very small minority will follow. (unless it involves students, then the word minority appears to replaced by majority)
"Speaking to The Argus, he said: “It was horrible. You don’t expect that kind of thing to happen any more, especially in Brighton" sorry chap it happened to you 10 years ago and it is a regular occurance in brighton, late night assaults that is, its also a reguular occurance almost everywhere. how ever these sort of cretins would probally have hurled racist abuse if the victims where coloured and if it had been someone my age then ageist remarks would have been shouted. the reality is that the morons who carry out these assaults just go for targets of opportunity often fueled up by alcohol. and/or other substances. there is no excuse for violence in our society, domestic or otherwise. but all the time brighton wants to be the premier clubbing and entertainment capital of the south and businesses are greedy for the lucre all forms of anti social behaviour from a very small minority will follow. (unless it involves students, then the word minority appears to replaced by majority) John Steed

8:51am Tue 18 Dec 12

Old Ladys Gin says...

Algeria Touchshriek wrote:
I can't blame the bystanders doing nothing. These days all sorts of people carry knives and (more London, than Brighton) guns. I am afraid I am not going to leave Mrs Touchshriek a widow all because I played hero and helped a couple of late night revelers sort out a fight.

My advice to the two chaps, taken from my late Grandfather who was possible one of the hardest men in Brighton EVER during his day, is if confronted with this awful situation, bit of youy focus your attention on the littlest of the gang.

Whilst you are getting a kicking, both punch, bite, kick and generally whack the living daylights out of the small one. If you hospitalise him the police can even catch the rest. Do not stop beating him until the end.
Sound advice and much as we were taught in the military.
[quote][p][bold]Algeria Touchshriek[/bold] wrote: I can't blame the bystanders doing nothing. These days all sorts of people carry knives and (more London, than Brighton) guns. I am afraid I am not going to leave Mrs Touchshriek a widow all because I played hero and helped a couple of late night revelers sort out a fight. My advice to the two chaps, taken from my late Grandfather who was possible one of the hardest men in Brighton EVER during his day, is if confronted with this awful situation, bit of youy focus your attention on the littlest of the gang. Whilst you are getting a kicking, both punch, bite, kick and generally whack the living daylights out of the small one. If you hospitalise him the police can even catch the rest. Do not stop beating him until the end.[/p][/quote]Sound advice and much as we were taught in the military. Old Ladys Gin

11:07am Tue 18 Dec 12

julesgemini says...

It so sad and shocking that this kind if thing can happen in Brighton! I'm gay and a lot of my friends are straight. I think there needs to be better education especially from parents especially in this day and age! I just hope these people are caught before they do it again! Next time someone might be killed!
It so sad and shocking that this kind if thing can happen in Brighton! I'm gay and a lot of my friends are straight. I think there needs to be better education especially from parents especially in this day and age! I just hope these people are caught before they do it again! Next time someone might be killed! julesgemini

11:33am Tue 18 Dec 12

the taffster says...

these thugs should be locked in a cell with a big black bodybuilder called beverley.that will teach them.
these thugs should be locked in a cell with a big black bodybuilder called beverley.that will teach them. the taffster

11:40am Tue 18 Dec 12

bluemonday says...

is this a one off,i can't believe 5 men would just be wandering down the road at 2.30am then suddenly decide to attack 2 men minding there own business,i would hope at least one of them would have a slight bit of morality in them to question there actions,or maybe not.it's a sad world we live in.
is this a one off,i can't believe 5 men would just be wandering down the road at 2.30am then suddenly decide to attack 2 men minding there own business,i would hope at least one of them would have a slight bit of morality in them to question there actions,or maybe not.it's a sad world we live in. bluemonday

11:41am Tue 18 Dec 12

the taffster says...

is it now fashionable again to dress like jim bob walton?
is it now fashionable again to dress like jim bob walton? the taffster

12:20pm Tue 18 Dec 12

RickH says...

Sue De Nimes wrote:
I am not convinced there is any homophobic element to this at all. Unfortunately in this country now we have a feral underclass. There are attacks like this on a regular basis up and down the country. Yes, there was anti gay abuse but it could have so easily have been for any of a number of reasons. It is quite likely the gang involved just viewed the assault as a "bit of fun" for the night. The problem isn't "homophobia" it is violent and aggressive individuals.
Not convinced!? So which part of "...They started shouting homophobic abuse at us..." did you not understand? Or did you choose to ignore that bit to make your point?
Thankfully, you're stand alone amongst all the contributers in your view; something that probably reflects 'the real world' too!
[quote][p][bold]Sue De Nimes[/bold] wrote: I am not convinced there is any homophobic element to this at all. Unfortunately in this country now we have a feral underclass. There are attacks like this on a regular basis up and down the country. Yes, there was anti gay abuse but it could have so easily have been for any of a number of reasons. It is quite likely the gang involved just viewed the assault as a "bit of fun" for the night. The problem isn't "homophobia" it is violent and aggressive individuals.[/p][/quote]Not convinced!? So which part of "...They started shouting homophobic abuse at us..." did you not understand? Or did you choose to ignore that bit to make your point? Thankfully, you're stand alone amongst all the contributers in your view; something that probably reflects 'the real world' too! RickH

7:35pm Tue 18 Dec 12

hubby says...

They don't look Gay.......
Seriously.Brighton has got cameras everywhere.These thugs must be on them somewhere.
Too much nastiness around these days.
They don't look Gay....... Seriously.Brighton has got cameras everywhere.These thugs must be on them somewhere. Too much nastiness around these days. hubby

8:29pm Tue 18 Dec 12

mictrix says...

Ivanna Goodhump wrote:
south1919 wrote:
Are the heads upside down
When I first saw the photo I thought it was a Desperate Dan lookalike competition.
lol
[quote][p][bold]Ivanna Goodhump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]south1919[/bold] wrote: Are the heads upside down[/p][/quote]When I first saw the photo I thought it was a Desperate Dan lookalike competition.[/p][/quote]lol mictrix

11:43pm Tue 18 Dec 12

mimseycal says...

According to Tony Minion “There was a group of people nearby who just stood there and did nothing, that’s the worst thing about it.”

And that is why these feral attack happen. If you witness a vicious attack and do nothing, you are actively enabling these feral attackers by your very passivity.
According to Tony Minion “There was a group of people nearby who just stood there and did nothing, that’s the worst thing about it.” And that is why these feral attack happen. If you witness a vicious attack and do nothing, you are actively enabling these feral attackers by your very passivity. mimseycal

9:31pm Fri 21 Dec 12

mictrix says...

Nitrous_McBread wrote:
Sue De Nimes wrote:
To add : I think that with Brighton and Hove being the most godless city in the country this sort of thing is more likely here.
Breathtakingly illogical and stunningly imbecilic sentence right there.

Bring to me these violently homophobic atheists about whom you babble, Sue. Go on, I double dare you.

And after you've tried and failed, I'll bore you rigid recounting the endless sickening exhortations to violence against gay people in page after page of all the major religions' so-called holy books.

To Tony & Graham: please don't let this change you. Brighton loves you. And even black and blue you're still red hot x
oh dear i think i'm going to be sick.
[quote][p][bold]Nitrous_McBread[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sue De Nimes[/bold] wrote: To add : I think that with Brighton and Hove being the most godless city in the country this sort of thing is more likely here.[/p][/quote]Breathtakingly illogical and stunningly imbecilic sentence right there. Bring to me these violently homophobic atheists about whom you babble, Sue. Go on, I double dare you. And after you've tried and failed, I'll bore you rigid recounting the endless sickening exhortations to violence against gay people in page after page of all the major religions' so-called holy books. To Tony & Graham: please don't let this change you. Brighton loves you. And even black and blue you're still red hot x[/p][/quote]oh dear i think i'm going to be sick. mictrix

9:19am Mon 24 Dec 12

imnotpc says...

is the above picture before or after they were 'battered'? i must say they are a couple of sorry looking characters
is the above picture before or after they were 'battered'? i must say they are a couple of sorry looking characters imnotpc

8:53pm Sun 6 Jan 13

imnotpc says...

mictrix wrote:
Nitrous_McBread wrote:
Sue De Nimes wrote:
To add : I think that with Brighton and Hove being the most godless city in the country this sort of thing is more likely here.
Breathtakingly illogical and stunningly imbecilic sentence right there.

Bring to me these violently homophobic atheists about whom you babble, Sue. Go on, I double dare you.

And after you've tried and failed, I'll bore you rigid recounting the endless sickening exhortations to violence against gay people in page after page of all the major religions' so-called holy books.

To Tony & Graham: please don't let this change you. Brighton loves you. And even black and blue you're still red hot x
oh dear i think i'm going to be sick.
what a drama queen no wonder the other person feels sick...absolutely disgusting filth
[quote][p][bold]mictrix[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nitrous_McBread[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sue De Nimes[/bold] wrote: To add : I think that with Brighton and Hove being the most godless city in the country this sort of thing is more likely here.[/p][/quote]Breathtakingly illogical and stunningly imbecilic sentence right there. Bring to me these violently homophobic atheists about whom you babble, Sue. Go on, I double dare you. And after you've tried and failed, I'll bore you rigid recounting the endless sickening exhortations to violence against gay people in page after page of all the major religions' so-called holy books. To Tony & Graham: please don't let this change you. Brighton loves you. And even black and blue you're still red hot x[/p][/quote]oh dear i think i'm going to be sick.[/p][/quote]what a drama queen no wonder the other person feels sick...absolutely disgusting filth imnotpc

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