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City gets 20mph limit despite opposition from Brighton and Hove taxi drivers

The Argus: City gets 20mph limit despite opposition from Brighton and Hove taxi drivers City gets 20mph limit despite opposition from Brighton and Hove taxi drivers

Widespread 20mph restrictions have been approved – despite taxi drivers fearing for their safety.

Brighton and Hove City Council’s transport committee signed off on the limits for more than 500 streets today.

The local authority claims it will reduce congestion and pollution while improving road safety.

But taxi drivers have expressed concerns the “blanket ban” will lead to revellers intimidating its workers if they travel slowly at night-time.

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5:52pm Tue 15 Jan 13

Spx says...

How civilised!
How civilised! Spx
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5:54pm Tue 15 Jan 13

gusset snatcher says...

I don't know why the greens don't just ban cars from the town...... end of..... they are oblivious to the fact that there will always be cars.... even green cars..... when are they going to realise that
I don't know why the greens don't just ban cars from the town...... end of..... they are oblivious to the fact that there will always be cars.... even green cars..... when are they going to realise that gusset snatcher
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6:00pm Tue 15 Jan 13

Wooton Basset says...

Its more of a question of how long you would like a drunken reveller sitting next to you for. I listened to Mr Kit Kat on the radio this morning and he hadnt even concidered this event at all.
and this bloke is Leader of Brighton & Hove City Council.

what a twitter..
Its more of a question of how long you would like a drunken reveller sitting next to you for. I listened to Mr Kit Kat on the radio this morning and he hadnt even concidered this event at all. and this bloke is Leader of Brighton & Hove City Council. what a twitter.. Wooton Basset
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6:00pm Tue 15 Jan 13

biker brighton says...

yes and taxi drivers always stick to the 30 mph limit don't they
i regally travel to work early hours
this week so far have been overtaken on the crossing at hospital and several times on seafront they seen to be exempt from the law
So are the bus drivers that overload there buses going to uni in the early hours bonus pay is it ?
yes and taxi drivers always stick to the 30 mph limit don't they i regally travel to work early hours this week so far have been overtaken on the crossing at hospital and several times on seafront they seen to be exempt from the law So are the bus drivers that overload there buses going to uni in the early hours bonus pay is it ? biker brighton
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6:02pm Tue 15 Jan 13

SirColesy says...

Hope all you green party hippies are happy with this! I'd love to know the facts behind this decision; morons!
Hope all you green party hippies are happy with this! I'd love to know the facts behind this decision; morons! SirColesy
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6:02pm Tue 15 Jan 13

Mark63 says...

How come nearly every decision coming from this council is anti car?! There are more important things to worry about. I'll be voting for any pro-car party next time.. Greens out! I don't expect cars to have total run of the place but you can't pretend they don't exist - Park and Ride is the answer... Get some balls council and sort it out!
How come nearly every decision coming from this council is anti car?! There are more important things to worry about. I'll be voting for any pro-car party next time.. Greens out! I don't expect cars to have total run of the place but you can't pretend they don't exist - Park and Ride is the answer... Get some balls council and sort it out! Mark63
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6:06pm Tue 15 Jan 13

falmer seagull says...

Which of the other Political Parties are going to rescind this policy? My vote is up for grabs!
Which of the other Political Parties are going to rescind this policy? My vote is up for grabs! falmer seagull
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6:15pm Tue 15 Jan 13

Maxwell's Ghost says...

I live in a 20mph zone with speed humps. It has never, ever been policed. It is just a token gesture with more street furniture.
Also, I drove along the Lewes Road today at 2pm which is usually free flowing and is currently down to a single lane while the new eco scheme is installed.
The congestion was dreadful with cars and vans bumper-to-bumper from Coombe Road way past Mithras House spewing out fumes.
It will now be worse for me when on my bike as stationary vehicles sit in traffic belching out fumes.
Well done to Kitkat and his out of town cronies who have absolutely no idea about the communities and transport links they are wrecking.
Ian Davey should resign having allowed false information about this scheme to be issued.
I live in a 20mph zone with speed humps. It has never, ever been policed. It is just a token gesture with more street furniture. Also, I drove along the Lewes Road today at 2pm which is usually free flowing and is currently down to a single lane while the new eco scheme is installed. The congestion was dreadful with cars and vans bumper-to-bumper from Coombe Road way past Mithras House spewing out fumes. It will now be worse for me when on my bike as stationary vehicles sit in traffic belching out fumes. Well done to Kitkat and his out of town cronies who have absolutely no idea about the communities and transport links they are wrecking. Ian Davey should resign having allowed false information about this scheme to be issued. Maxwell's Ghost
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6:16pm Tue 15 Jan 13

ruberducker says...

the police refuse to enforce it:SO UP YOURS KITCRAP.
cant wait for the next election.
the police refuse to enforce it:SO UP YOURS KITCRAP. cant wait for the next election. ruberducker
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6:23pm Tue 15 Jan 13

Wooton Basset says...

Mr Kit Kat lives in cyber space

....Jason combines excellent interpersonal skills with fantastic attention to detail, while never losing sight of the big picture … Oh Yeh!!
Mr Kit Kat lives in cyber space ....Jason combines excellent interpersonal skills with fantastic attention to detail, while never losing sight of the big picture … Oh Yeh!! Wooton Basset
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6:28pm Tue 15 Jan 13

posthuman says...

What's not to get.
Ping about on the A-roads/Motorways, not on the local roads and built-up areas where the vulnerable are most at risk!
What's not to get. Ping about on the A-roads/Motorways, not on the local roads and built-up areas where the vulnerable are most at risk! posthuman
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6:34pm Tue 15 Jan 13

downfader says...

Anyone who complains about the 20mph limits should

a) declare their mileage (if you're driving when there are other options then that makes you a whinger, long distance means more than 30 miles a day)

b) whether you're able bodied (nobody is going to dispute disabled access to the road)

c) if you work with tools, heavy loads, etc (actually the difference in journey times is little as these people will mostly be using the motorways etc)
Anyone who complains about the 20mph limits should a) declare their mileage (if you're driving when there are other options then that makes you a whinger, long distance means more than 30 miles a day) b) whether you're able bodied (nobody is going to dispute disabled access to the road) c) if you work with tools, heavy loads, etc (actually the difference in journey times is little as these people will mostly be using the motorways etc) downfader
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6:35pm Tue 15 Jan 13

Wooton Basset says...

SirColesy wrote:
Hope all you green party hippies are happy with this! I'd love to know the facts behind this decision; morons!
not hippies , more like nouvo Luddites.
[quote][p][bold]SirColesy[/bold] wrote: Hope all you green party hippies are happy with this! I'd love to know the facts behind this decision; morons![/p][/quote]not hippies , more like nouvo Luddites. Wooton Basset
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6:42pm Tue 15 Jan 13

gusset snatcher says...

and the cost of implementation..... £1.5mill... i believe this limit is only valid around schools..... it's almost like going back to having a man with a red flag in front of cars.
and the cost of implementation..... £1.5mill... i believe this limit is only valid around schools..... it's almost like going back to having a man with a red flag in front of cars. gusset snatcher
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6:42pm Tue 15 Jan 13

falmer seagull says...

Nobody denies that pedestrians would have a better survival rate if struck by car at 20mph. However, we are not told the statistics on fatalities on the inner Brighton roads! Most fatalities to my knowledge have been down to the two way bus lanes!
Nobody denies that pedestrians would have a better survival rate if struck by car at 20mph. However, we are not told the statistics on fatalities on the inner Brighton roads! Most fatalities to my knowledge have been down to the two way bus lanes! falmer seagull
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6:43pm Tue 15 Jan 13

charlie smirke says...

How can they possibly say this will reduce congestion and pollution?? Surely it's got to make things much worse. Where's the money coming from for this latest ridiculous scheme?
The sooner these greens are gone, the better. I hope other towns in the UK will learn a lesson from what these green morons are doing in Brighton and hopefully no-one in the whole country will ever vote for them again!
How can they possibly say this will reduce congestion and pollution?? Surely it's got to make things much worse. Where's the money coming from for this latest ridiculous scheme? The sooner these greens are gone, the better. I hope other towns in the UK will learn a lesson from what these green morons are doing in Brighton and hopefully no-one in the whole country will ever vote for them again! charlie smirke
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6:48pm Tue 15 Jan 13

iloveworthing says...

I think this is great. So many other places in the UK have introduced 20mph limits on residential roads to make things safer for pedestrians, cyclists, children and older people. I visit Brighton a lot (generally train and on foot) and the reduced limits will certainly make me feel safer crossing roads with my children, as well as walking along narrow pavements without the fear of speeding traffic.
I think this is great. So many other places in the UK have introduced 20mph limits on residential roads to make things safer for pedestrians, cyclists, children and older people. I visit Brighton a lot (generally train and on foot) and the reduced limits will certainly make me feel safer crossing roads with my children, as well as walking along narrow pavements without the fear of speeding traffic. iloveworthing
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6:51pm Tue 15 Jan 13

mustaphaLeeko says...

It's fine in residential areas in my opinion, but NOT on any of the main routes through these areas!

As for taxi drivers, scared of revellers? Grow a pair you big nancies!
It's fine in residential areas in my opinion, but NOT on any of the main routes through these areas! As for taxi drivers, scared of revellers? Grow a pair you big nancies! mustaphaLeeko
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7:03pm Tue 15 Jan 13

Maxwell's Ghost says...

but the policy is not policed iloveworthing so pedestrians and cyclists are lulled into a false sense of security.
but the policy is not policed iloveworthing so pedestrians and cyclists are lulled into a false sense of security. Maxwell's Ghost
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7:09pm Tue 15 Jan 13

downfader says...

How does it lower emissions? It makes cycling and walking safer and people get out of their cars for those short journeys... as they did in Germany, France, Netherlands etc.

It makes the elderly and disabled more comfortable in crossing the road - over the past few years there has been an increase in those groups using the car for short journeys, too. A fear of traffic and its speed means they struggle to get across in time or read the traffic speed as well as a younger person might.

Remember those here moaning really HAVE to declare what I asked for above to validate their concern.

-75% of all urban traffic is only heading 5 miles or less (DFT statistics). Single occupancy too - eg just one person in the car

-25% of all urban traffic is for less than 2 miles.

-DFT figures for 2011 found that the average car mileage for a day was 6 miles

-DFT figures also show that nearly 90% of all traffic is domestic driver, not professionals like Taxi drivers etc.
How does it lower emissions? It makes cycling and walking safer and people get out of their cars for those short journeys... as they did in Germany, France, Netherlands etc. It makes the elderly and disabled more comfortable in crossing the road - over the past few years there has been an increase in those groups using the car for short journeys, too. A fear of traffic and its speed means they struggle to get across in time or read the traffic speed as well as a younger person might. Remember those here moaning really HAVE to declare what I asked for above to validate their concern. -75% of all urban traffic is only heading 5 miles or less (DFT statistics). Single occupancy too - eg just one person in the car -25% of all urban traffic is for less than 2 miles. -DFT figures for 2011 found that the average car mileage for a day was 6 miles -DFT figures also show that nearly 90% of all traffic is domestic driver, not professionals like Taxi drivers etc. downfader
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7:11pm Tue 15 Jan 13

downfader says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
but the policy is not policed iloveworthing so pedestrians and cyclists are lulled into a false sense of security.
That's partly because residents HAVE to make more of an issue about it at their PACT meetings with the Police. People have the concern but wont speak up.
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: but the policy is not policed iloveworthing so pedestrians and cyclists are lulled into a false sense of security.[/p][/quote]That's partly because residents HAVE to make more of an issue about it at their PACT meetings with the Police. People have the concern but wont speak up. downfader
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7:22pm Tue 15 Jan 13

fred clause says...

So to drive at 20mph you have to keep your car in a lower gear burning more fuel creating more pollution not very green is it.
So to drive at 20mph you have to keep your car in a lower gear burning more fuel creating more pollution not very green is it. fred clause
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7:25pm Tue 15 Jan 13

charlie smirke says...

downfader wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
but the policy is not policed iloveworthing so pedestrians and cyclists are lulled into a false sense of security.
That's partly because residents HAVE to make more of an issue about it at their PACT meetings with the Police. People have the concern but wont speak up.
What are PACT meetings ? I don't think we have any of those!
[quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: but the policy is not policed iloveworthing so pedestrians and cyclists are lulled into a false sense of security.[/p][/quote]That's partly because residents HAVE to make more of an issue about it at their PACT meetings with the Police. People have the concern but wont speak up.[/p][/quote]What are PACT meetings ? I don't think we have any of those! charlie smirke
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7:30pm Tue 15 Jan 13

imnotpc says...

Don't worry eveyone its not policed or enforcable so everyone will totally ignore it anyway lol.Did they consider that 20mph limits actually increase accidents this a fact.You got to love the tree huggers hahahaha
Don't worry eveyone its not policed or enforcable so everyone will totally ignore it anyway lol.Did they consider that 20mph limits actually increase accidents this a fact.You got to love the tree huggers hahahaha imnotpc
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7:31pm Tue 15 Jan 13

Unbias says...

falmer seagull wrote:
Nobody denies that pedestrians would have a better survival rate if struck by car at 20mph. However, we are not told the statistics on fatalities on the inner Brighton roads! Most fatalities to my knowledge have been down to the two way bus lanes!
I totally agree with that, not something i'd thought of to be honest.......
[quote][p][bold]falmer seagull[/bold] wrote: Nobody denies that pedestrians would have a better survival rate if struck by car at 20mph. However, we are not told the statistics on fatalities on the inner Brighton roads! Most fatalities to my knowledge have been down to the two way bus lanes![/p][/quote]I totally agree with that, not something i'd thought of to be honest....... Unbias
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7:31pm Tue 15 Jan 13

NickBtn says...

iloveworthing wrote:
I think this is great. So many other places in the UK have introduced 20mph limits on residential roads to make things safer for pedestrians, cyclists, children and older people. I visit Brighton a lot (generally train and on foot) and the reduced limits will certainly make me feel safer crossing roads with my children, as well as walking along narrow pavements without the fear of speeding traffic.
Yes, if this was limited to just small residential roads there would be more support. However it's not - there are many large roads included - many bus routes will be affected by this

Oddly the coast road, full of tourists by day and drunken groups at night won't be included and probably should be right at the centre (only!) judging by the number of serious accidents here

So poorer bus service/higher costs (due to slower routes) and lots of money for sign companies to be reversed by next party once the greens have gone......
[quote][p][bold]iloveworthing[/bold] wrote: I think this is great. So many other places in the UK have introduced 20mph limits on residential roads to make things safer for pedestrians, cyclists, children and older people. I visit Brighton a lot (generally train and on foot) and the reduced limits will certainly make me feel safer crossing roads with my children, as well as walking along narrow pavements without the fear of speeding traffic.[/p][/quote]Yes, if this was limited to just small residential roads there would be more support. However it's not - there are many large roads included - many bus routes will be affected by this Oddly the coast road, full of tourists by day and drunken groups at night won't be included and probably should be right at the centre (only!) judging by the number of serious accidents here So poorer bus service/higher costs (due to slower routes) and lots of money for sign companies to be reversed by next party once the greens have gone...... NickBtn
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7:32pm Tue 15 Jan 13

Dealing with idiots says...

Did anyone seriously think that they would not impose this? Shame on Conservatives and Labour. You were asked to have some spine and save our city but you have put your own interests before those of your electorate . There is now a collective noun for Gill and Geoffrey. It is called a Pontius.

PS the police have told the cab companies that it is not enforcable.
Did anyone seriously think that they would not impose this? Shame on Conservatives and Labour. You were asked to have some spine and save our city but you have put your own interests before those of your electorate . There is now a collective noun for Gill and Geoffrey. It is called a Pontius. PS the police have told the cab companies that it is not enforcable. Dealing with idiots
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7:32pm Tue 15 Jan 13

imnotpc says...

Don't worry eveyone its not policed or enforcable so everyone will totally ignore it anyway lol.Did they consider that 20mph limits actually increase accidents this a fact.You got to love the tree huggers hahahaha
Don't worry eveyone its not policed or enforcable so everyone will totally ignore it anyway lol.Did they consider that 20mph limits actually increase accidents this a fact.You got to love the tree huggers hahahaha imnotpc
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7:33pm Tue 15 Jan 13

Plantpot says...

If this law won't be enforced, it will fall into disrepute, just like cycling on pavements etc.

I have never heard anyone complain about speed issues in Brighton, other than they want to go faster and be less hindered by the bizarre road schemes that are springing up.

Crossing the road is a basic life skill that many people in Brighton have struggled to master.
If this law won't be enforced, it will fall into disrepute, just like cycling on pavements etc. I have never heard anyone complain about speed issues in Brighton, other than they want to go faster and be less hindered by the bizarre road schemes that are springing up. Crossing the road is a basic life skill that many people in Brighton have struggled to master. Plantpot
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7:53pm Tue 15 Jan 13

falmer seagull says...

This is hardly the scheme for a modern cosmopolitan city. Please Her Majesty will you thake the city status away?
This is hardly the scheme for a modern cosmopolitan city. Please Her Majesty will you thake the city status away? falmer seagull
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8:07pm Tue 15 Jan 13

downfader says...

imnotpc wrote:
Don't worry eveyone its not policed or enforcable so everyone will totally ignore it anyway lol.Did they consider that 20mph limits actually increase accidents this a fact.You got to love the tree huggers hahahaha
No, not true.

There was an increase in KSIs on 20 zones in 2011, but there were two big caveats to the stats:

1. Not even the Government knew how many miles of 20 zones there were, so it was hard to work out the risk factor compared to motorways, urban areas etc

2. the increase actually amounted to 2 extra deaths. The year before had something like 4 in total. Compare that to the 600 extra pedestrians killed in other areas and the hundreds of thousands seriously injured each year in non-20 zones.

And the tree-hugger comments are pretty lame. There are plenty of families who want their children to be safer. Plenty of Doctors and Nurses who also want to deal with LESS injuries and deaths from the motor traffic and support it.
[quote][p][bold]imnotpc[/bold] wrote: Don't worry eveyone its not policed or enforcable so everyone will totally ignore it anyway lol.Did they consider that 20mph limits actually increase accidents this a fact.You got to love the tree huggers hahahaha[/p][/quote]No, not true. There was an increase in KSIs on 20 zones in 2011, but there were two big caveats to the stats: 1. Not even the Government knew how many miles of 20 zones there were, so it was hard to work out the risk factor compared to motorways, urban areas etc 2. the increase actually amounted to 2 extra deaths. The year before had something like 4 in total. Compare that to the 600 extra pedestrians killed in other areas and the hundreds of thousands seriously injured each year in non-20 zones. And the tree-hugger comments are pretty lame. There are plenty of families who want their children to be safer. Plenty of Doctors and Nurses who also want to deal with LESS injuries and deaths from the motor traffic and support it. downfader
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8:11pm Tue 15 Jan 13

downfader says...

charlie smirke wrote:
downfader wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
but the policy is not policed iloveworthing so pedestrians and cyclists are lulled into a false sense of security.
That's partly because residents HAVE to make more of an issue about it at their PACT meetings with the Police. People have the concern but wont speak up.
What are PACT meetings ? I don't think we have any of those!
Every Police authority has to have them by law. Usually once a month iirc. Its on your constabulary website, including details of where and when they're held.
[quote][p][bold]charlie smirke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: but the policy is not policed iloveworthing so pedestrians and cyclists are lulled into a false sense of security.[/p][/quote]That's partly because residents HAVE to make more of an issue about it at their PACT meetings with the Police. People have the concern but wont speak up.[/p][/quote]What are PACT meetings ? I don't think we have any of those![/p][/quote]Every Police authority has to have them by law. Usually once a month iirc. Its on your constabulary website, including details of where and when they're held. downfader
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8:11pm Tue 15 Jan 13

Michael Inkpin-Leissner says...

Thank you Greens, you added 30 min. for my way to work. Brilliant. Because thanks to you guys, the traffic jams will be longer and longer lasting.
You British Greens are a big embarrassment for all Green Parties in Europe. May I remind you, you are working for the people and not for ideology!
Thank you Greens, you added 30 min. for my way to work. Brilliant. Because thanks to you guys, the traffic jams will be longer and longer lasting. You British Greens are a big embarrassment for all Green Parties in Europe. May I remind you, you are working for the people and not for ideology! Michael Inkpin-Leissner
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8:12pm Tue 15 Jan 13

Fight_Back says...

Totally unenforceable so I'll be ignoring it and driving at 30 thank you.
Totally unenforceable so I'll be ignoring it and driving at 30 thank you. Fight_Back
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8:19pm Tue 15 Jan 13

Dave At Home says...

Great news, just proves the present Council members DO NOT listen to the residents but they will listen at the next election.
Great news, just proves the present Council members DO NOT listen to the residents but they will listen at the next election. Dave At Home
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8:27pm Tue 15 Jan 13

keswick says...

This Green Party is totally against anyone attempting to get in to Brighton by car. Yet again they show that they are totally unfit to govern this city and will be shown the door at the next election.

The chaos that will reign in Lewes Road is there for all to see and the scheme is only under construction. It was chaos after the match at Falmer last Saturday and that will be the norm.

As for Mr Chocolate bar perhaps he should take notice when he is contacted asking why a local councillor ignores a request from a constituent on more than one occasion. Still if I had contacted Mr Sven over my pink bike I would have been swamped with replies. Totally unfit for office the lot of them.
This Green Party is totally against anyone attempting to get in to Brighton by car. Yet again they show that they are totally unfit to govern this city and will be shown the door at the next election. The chaos that will reign in Lewes Road is there for all to see and the scheme is only under construction. It was chaos after the match at Falmer last Saturday and that will be the norm. As for Mr Chocolate bar perhaps he should take notice when he is contacted asking why a local councillor ignores a request from a constituent on more than one occasion. Still if I had contacted Mr Sven over my pink bike I would have been swamped with replies. Totally unfit for office the lot of them. keswick
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8:28pm Tue 15 Jan 13

Idontbelieveit1948 says...

gusset snatcher wrote:
and the cost of implementation..... £1.5mill... i believe this limit is only valid around schools..... it's almost like going back to having a man with a red flag in front of cars.
Man with a red flag. Blimey a Green policy that really could improve the unemployment situation !!
[quote][p][bold]gusset snatcher[/bold] wrote: and the cost of implementation..... £1.5mill... i believe this limit is only valid around schools..... it's almost like going back to having a man with a red flag in front of cars.[/p][/quote]Man with a red flag. Blimey a Green policy that really could improve the unemployment situation !! Idontbelieveit1948
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8:31pm Tue 15 Jan 13

puddings3112 says...

There is only one reason that they are doing this now - the roads department need to use up all of their budget for the year or have next years budget cut (that is why new road schemes always appear towards the end of the financial year - note how the junction at the blatchington road and goldstone villas is being remodelled again for the third year in a row in feb/march)
There is only one reason that they are doing this now - the roads department need to use up all of their budget for the year or have next years budget cut (that is why new road schemes always appear towards the end of the financial year - note how the junction at the blatchington road and goldstone villas is being remodelled again for the third year in a row in feb/march) puddings3112
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8:31pm Tue 15 Jan 13

Fight_Back says...

keswick wrote:
This Green Party is totally against anyone attempting to get in to Brighton by car. Yet again they show that they are totally unfit to govern this city and will be shown the door at the next election.

The chaos that will reign in Lewes Road is there for all to see and the scheme is only under construction. It was chaos after the match at Falmer last Saturday and that will be the norm.

As for Mr Chocolate bar perhaps he should take notice when he is contacted asking why a local councillor ignores a request from a constituent on more than one occasion. Still if I had contacted Mr Sven over my pink bike I would have been swamped with replies. Totally unfit for office the lot of them.
I'm not defending the Greens here but it was the Tories that started the Lewes Road plans. The very same Tories that sided with the Greens today to pass this stupid 20mph policy. I'm not a Labour supporter but the Tories let the city down today and I'll be remembering that at the next election - pity because I've voted for Dawn Barnett in the past.
[quote][p][bold]keswick[/bold] wrote: This Green Party is totally against anyone attempting to get in to Brighton by car. Yet again they show that they are totally unfit to govern this city and will be shown the door at the next election. The chaos that will reign in Lewes Road is there for all to see and the scheme is only under construction. It was chaos after the match at Falmer last Saturday and that will be the norm. As for Mr Chocolate bar perhaps he should take notice when he is contacted asking why a local councillor ignores a request from a constituent on more than one occasion. Still if I had contacted Mr Sven over my pink bike I would have been swamped with replies. Totally unfit for office the lot of them.[/p][/quote]I'm not defending the Greens here but it was the Tories that started the Lewes Road plans. The very same Tories that sided with the Greens today to pass this stupid 20mph policy. I'm not a Labour supporter but the Tories let the city down today and I'll be remembering that at the next election - pity because I've voted for Dawn Barnett in the past. Fight_Back
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8:37pm Tue 15 Jan 13

downfader says...

Michael Inkpin-Leissner wrote:
Thank you Greens, you added 30 min. for my way to work. Brilliant. Because thanks to you guys, the traffic jams will be longer and longer lasting.
You British Greens are a big embarrassment for all Green Parties in Europe. May I remind you, you are working for the people and not for ideology!
So if you're already in a traffic jam - how exactly will a 10mph drop in maximum speed limit affect non-moving traffic..?

Bizarre and ludicrous comment
[quote][p][bold]Michael Inkpin-Leissner[/bold] wrote: Thank you Greens, you added 30 min. for my way to work. Brilliant. Because thanks to you guys, the traffic jams will be longer and longer lasting. You British Greens are a big embarrassment for all Green Parties in Europe. May I remind you, you are working for the people and not for ideology![/p][/quote]So if you're already in a traffic jam - how exactly will a 10mph drop in maximum speed limit affect non-moving traffic..? Bizarre and ludicrous comment downfader
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8:38pm Tue 15 Jan 13

downfader says...

NOT ONE of you complaining has validated your complaint with how far you drive...

..therefore this means that you have nothing to complain about, then.
NOT ONE of you complaining has validated your complaint with how far you drive... ..therefore this means that you have nothing to complain about, then. downfader
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8:39pm Tue 15 Jan 13

Ballroom Blitz says...

It won't make any difference to me. I'll learn where all the cameras are, and then continue to drive at approx 40mph when I can, and bollards to the flipping Green idiots.
They will never catch me. They haven't for the last 10 years I have been here.
And whatever the rest of you think: I am 100% safe. Never had an accident in 30 years.
It won't make any difference to me. I'll learn where all the cameras are, and then continue to drive at approx 40mph when I can, and bollards to the flipping Green idiots. They will never catch me. They haven't for the last 10 years I have been here. And whatever the rest of you think: I am 100% safe. Never had an accident in 30 years. Ballroom Blitz
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8:42pm Tue 15 Jan 13

leobrighton says...

GOOD News just hope its vigourously enforced. Could have collected hundreds in fines just through the driving I witnessed between 7.30 and 9 this morning as well as a few much more serious criminal offences committed by drivers, miracle people don't get killed daily. As for the taxi drivers well there in another league altogether.
GOOD News just hope its vigourously enforced. Could have collected hundreds in fines just through the driving I witnessed between 7.30 and 9 this morning as well as a few much more serious criminal offences committed by drivers, miracle people don't get killed daily. As for the taxi drivers well there in another league altogether. leobrighton
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8:42pm Tue 15 Jan 13

Fight_Back says...

downfader wrote:
NOT ONE of you complaining has validated your complaint with how far you drive...

..therefore this means that you have nothing to complain about, then.
What a bizarre argument that people that live in the city don't have a right of complaint about a policy unless they fulfil certain criteria outside being a city resident. Only a Green could think that !
[quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: NOT ONE of you complaining has validated your complaint with how far you drive... ..therefore this means that you have nothing to complain about, then.[/p][/quote]What a bizarre argument that people that live in the city don't have a right of complaint about a policy unless they fulfil certain criteria outside being a city resident. Only a Green could think that ! Fight_Back
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8:44pm Tue 15 Jan 13

Wooton Basset says...

SirColesy wrote:
Hope all you green party hippies are happy with this! I'd love to know the facts behind this decision; morons!
Democracy at work in Lilliput.
[quote][p][bold]SirColesy[/bold] wrote: Hope all you green party hippies are happy with this! I'd love to know the facts behind this decision; morons![/p][/quote]Democracy at work in Lilliput. Wooton Basset
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8:47pm Tue 15 Jan 13

downfader says...

Ballroom Blitz wrote:
It won't make any difference to me. I'll learn where all the cameras are, and then continue to drive at approx 40mph when I can, and bollards to the flipping Green idiots.
They will never catch me. They haven't for the last 10 years I have been here.
And whatever the rest of you think: I am 100% safe. Never had an accident in 30 years.
But how many have you caused?
[quote][p][bold]Ballroom Blitz[/bold] wrote: It won't make any difference to me. I'll learn where all the cameras are, and then continue to drive at approx 40mph when I can, and bollards to the flipping Green idiots. They will never catch me. They haven't for the last 10 years I have been here. And whatever the rest of you think: I am 100% safe. Never had an accident in 30 years.[/p][/quote]But how many have you caused? downfader
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8:47pm Tue 15 Jan 13

Bill in Hanover says...

Most of Hanover is already 20 mph and it is an utter waste of time and money. The speedbumps are neither use nor ornament as the drivers who exceed the limit don't worry about the occasional scraping noise coming from their exhaust. The police have said they won't enforce the measure so what is the purpose other than to waste yet more money on signage. The Greens seem to be obsessively anti-car (apart from their own of course which are all carrying free parking permits allowing them to park anywhere in the City centre. And I'm waiting (if not with bated breath at least with anticipation) for the Council to be sued when a pedestrian or car is hit by a cyclist going the wrong way down a one way street because the council have put illegal road signs allowing them to do so.
Most of Hanover is already 20 mph and it is an utter waste of time and money. The speedbumps are neither use nor ornament as the drivers who exceed the limit don't worry about the occasional scraping noise coming from their exhaust. The police have said they won't enforce the measure so what is the purpose other than to waste yet more money on signage. The Greens seem to be obsessively anti-car (apart from their own of course which are all carrying free parking permits allowing them to park anywhere in the City centre. And I'm waiting (if not with bated breath at least with anticipation) for the Council to be sued when a pedestrian or car is hit by a cyclist going the wrong way down a one way street because the council have put illegal road signs allowing them to do so. Bill in Hanover
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8:49pm Tue 15 Jan 13

HJarrs says...

Ballroom Blitz wrote:
It won't make any difference to me. I'll learn where all the cameras are, and then continue to drive at approx 40mph when I can, and bollards to the flipping Green idiots.
They will never catch me. They haven't for the last 10 years I have been here.
And whatever the rest of you think: I am 100% safe. Never had an accident in 30 years.
You should lose your license you are childish and incompetent.

Sadly, it is people like you that give motorists a bad name and are the ones the kill so many on the road.
[quote][p][bold]Ballroom Blitz[/bold] wrote: It won't make any difference to me. I'll learn where all the cameras are, and then continue to drive at approx 40mph when I can, and bollards to the flipping Green idiots. They will never catch me. They haven't for the last 10 years I have been here. And whatever the rest of you think: I am 100% safe. Never had an accident in 30 years.[/p][/quote]You should lose your license you are childish and incompetent. Sadly, it is people like you that give motorists a bad name and are the ones the kill so many on the road. HJarrs
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8:50pm Tue 15 Jan 13

downfader says...

Fight_Back wrote:
downfader wrote:
NOT ONE of you complaining has validated your complaint with how far you drive...

..therefore this means that you have nothing to complain about, then.
What a bizarre argument that people that live in the city don't have a right of complaint about a policy unless they fulfil certain criteria outside being a city resident. Only a Green could think that !
I've never voted green in my life, but on the basis of all of your "anger" I think I've just been converted.

Thanks

And yes it is a valid argument. The DFT have been clear on the data over the last 10 years. Read my above comment - most of the traffic is local and is short distance. Is it not selfish for those people to drive and clog the roads for others?
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: NOT ONE of you complaining has validated your complaint with how far you drive... ..therefore this means that you have nothing to complain about, then.[/p][/quote]What a bizarre argument that people that live in the city don't have a right of complaint about a policy unless they fulfil certain criteria outside being a city resident. Only a Green could think that ![/p][/quote]I've never voted green in my life, but on the basis of all of your "anger" I think I've just been converted. Thanks And yes it is a valid argument. The DFT have been clear on the data over the last 10 years. Read my above comment - most of the traffic is local and is short distance. Is it not selfish for those people to drive and clog the roads for others? downfader
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8:51pm Tue 15 Jan 13

HJarrs says...

I welcome the 20mph limit and it seems to me that we should now be lobbying council and Police for enforcement rather than moaning on about it.
I welcome the 20mph limit and it seems to me that we should now be lobbying council and Police for enforcement rather than moaning on about it. HJarrs
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8:54pm Tue 15 Jan 13

downfader says...

HJarrs wrote:
I welcome the 20mph limit and it seems to me that we should now be lobbying council and Police for enforcement rather than moaning on about it.
Exactly.

Of those KSIs in 20 zones it should be said that many were due to excessive speed.

The holier than thou motorist who confesses to driving at 40 in a 20 zone is selfish and arrogant.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: I welcome the 20mph limit and it seems to me that we should now be lobbying council and Police for enforcement rather than moaning on about it.[/p][/quote]Exactly. Of those KSIs in 20 zones it should be said that many were due to excessive speed. The holier than thou motorist who confesses to driving at 40 in a 20 zone is selfish and arrogant. downfader
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8:56pm Tue 15 Jan 13

grumblegoat says...

downfader wrote:
Ballroom Blitz wrote:
It won't make any difference to me. I'll learn where all the cameras are, and then continue to drive at approx 40mph when I can, and bollards to the flipping Green idiots.
They will never catch me. They haven't for the last 10 years I have been here.
And whatever the rest of you think: I am 100% safe. Never had an accident in 30 years.
But how many have you caused?
His mother had an accident, she claimed it was 100% safe too.
[quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ballroom Blitz[/bold] wrote: It won't make any difference to me. I'll learn where all the cameras are, and then continue to drive at approx 40mph when I can, and bollards to the flipping Green idiots. They will never catch me. They haven't for the last 10 years I have been here. And whatever the rest of you think: I am 100% safe. Never had an accident in 30 years.[/p][/quote]But how many have you caused?[/p][/quote]His mother had an accident, she claimed it was 100% safe too. grumblegoat
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8:57pm Tue 15 Jan 13

Smartbloke says...

Ah, first post is a total moron who associates 20mph speed limits with car bans.

Why does their case officer let them loose on society?
Ah, first post is a total moron who associates 20mph speed limits with car bans. Why does their case officer let them loose on society? Smartbloke
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8:59pm Tue 15 Jan 13

imnotpc says...

downfader wrote:
imnotpc wrote:
Don't worry eveyone its not policed or enforcable so everyone will totally ignore it anyway lol.Did they consider that 20mph limits actually increase accidents this a fact.You got to love the tree huggers hahahaha
No, not true.

There was an increase in KSIs on 20 zones in 2011, but there were two big caveats to the stats:

1. Not even the Government knew how many miles of 20 zones there were, so it was hard to work out the risk factor compared to motorways, urban areas etc

2. the increase actually amounted to 2 extra deaths. The year before had something like 4 in total. Compare that to the 600 extra pedestrians killed in other areas and the hundreds of thousands seriously injured each year in non-20 zones.

And the tree-hugger comments are pretty lame. There are plenty of families who want their children to be safer. Plenty of Doctors and Nurses who also want to deal with LESS injuries and deaths from the motor traffic and support it.
blah blah blah you can't take the fact that it actually increases accidents,it doesn't have be deaths.There has been a massive increase in rta's where there is 20mph limits.I know the truth hurts but it is the truth sorry
[quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]imnotpc[/bold] wrote: Don't worry eveyone its not policed or enforcable so everyone will totally ignore it anyway lol.Did they consider that 20mph limits actually increase accidents this a fact.You got to love the tree huggers hahahaha[/p][/quote]No, not true. There was an increase in KSIs on 20 zones in 2011, but there were two big caveats to the stats: 1. Not even the Government knew how many miles of 20 zones there were, so it was hard to work out the risk factor compared to motorways, urban areas etc 2. the increase actually amounted to 2 extra deaths. The year before had something like 4 in total. Compare that to the 600 extra pedestrians killed in other areas and the hundreds of thousands seriously injured each year in non-20 zones. And the tree-hugger comments are pretty lame. There are plenty of families who want their children to be safer. Plenty of Doctors and Nurses who also want to deal with LESS injuries and deaths from the motor traffic and support it.[/p][/quote]blah blah blah you can't take the fact that it actually increases accidents,it doesn't have be deaths.There has been a massive increase in rta's where there is 20mph limits.I know the truth hurts but it is the truth sorry imnotpc
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8:59pm Tue 15 Jan 13

dsvm22 says...

iloveworthing wrote:
I think this is great. So many other places in the UK have introduced 20mph limits on residential roads to make things safer for pedestrians, cyclists, children and older people. I visit Brighton a lot (generally train and on foot) and the reduced limits will certainly make me feel safer crossing roads with my children, as well as walking along narrow pavements without the fear of speeding traffic.
iloveworthing, so do I, and I bet Worthing doesn't reduce it's speed limits, you say "residential roads"....., but as cyclists will now move faster than cars in Brighton & Hove city, over taking on the inside and going through red lights (nothing new I know), you now stand a greater risk being hit by an uninsured cycle and maimed for life. Remember, you can't hear a cyclists coming, but you can hear a bus hitting someone.
[quote][p][bold]iloveworthing[/bold] wrote: I think this is great. So many other places in the UK have introduced 20mph limits on residential roads to make things safer for pedestrians, cyclists, children and older people. I visit Brighton a lot (generally train and on foot) and the reduced limits will certainly make me feel safer crossing roads with my children, as well as walking along narrow pavements without the fear of speeding traffic.[/p][/quote]iloveworthing, so do I, and I bet Worthing doesn't reduce it's speed limits, you say "residential roads"....., but as cyclists will now move faster than cars in Brighton & Hove city, over taking on the inside and going through red lights (nothing new I know), you now stand a greater risk being hit by an uninsured cycle and maimed for life. Remember, you can't hear a cyclists coming, but you can hear a bus hitting someone. dsvm22
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9:02pm Tue 15 Jan 13

imnotpc says...

leobrighton wrote:
GOOD News just hope its vigourously enforced. Could have collected hundreds in fines just through the driving I witnessed between 7.30 and 9 this morning as well as a few much more serious criminal offences committed by drivers, miracle people don't get killed daily. As for the taxi drivers well there in another league altogether.
sorry old chum but it CANNOT be enforced...never mind lol
[quote][p][bold]leobrighton[/bold] wrote: GOOD News just hope its vigourously enforced. Could have collected hundreds in fines just through the driving I witnessed between 7.30 and 9 this morning as well as a few much more serious criminal offences committed by drivers, miracle people don't get killed daily. As for the taxi drivers well there in another league altogether.[/p][/quote]sorry old chum but it CANNOT be enforced...never mind lol imnotpc
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9:09pm Tue 15 Jan 13

downfader says...

imnotpc wrote:
downfader wrote:
imnotpc wrote:
Don't worry eveyone its not policed or enforcable so everyone will totally ignore it anyway lol.Did they consider that 20mph limits actually increase accidents this a fact.You got to love the tree huggers hahahaha
No, not true.

There was an increase in KSIs on 20 zones in 2011, but there were two big caveats to the stats:

1. Not even the Government knew how many miles of 20 zones there were, so it was hard to work out the risk factor compared to motorways, urban areas etc

2. the increase actually amounted to 2 extra deaths. The year before had something like 4 in total. Compare that to the 600 extra pedestrians killed in other areas and the hundreds of thousands seriously injured each year in non-20 zones.

And the tree-hugger comments are pretty lame. There are plenty of families who want their children to be safer. Plenty of Doctors and Nurses who also want to deal with LESS injuries and deaths from the motor traffic and support it.
blah blah blah you can't take the fact that it actually increases accidents,it doesn't have be deaths.There has been a massive increase in rta's where there is 20mph limits.I know the truth hurts but it is the truth sorry
Its not the limit, its the action of those on the roads that increases crashes. The Police dont call them "accidents" for a reason btw.

So none of you want to reduce the severity of injuries on our Countries roads? That's effectively what you've said... that your speed is more important that others' survival.

Yours is not a truth, it is the incomprehensible ramblings of a sectioned patient on day release, LOL!

Do you want to pay an extra £15 billion as motorists to pay for the damage you do to the NHS? That is what the KSIs are costing it each year.
[quote][p][bold]imnotpc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]imnotpc[/bold] wrote: Don't worry eveyone its not policed or enforcable so everyone will totally ignore it anyway lol.Did they consider that 20mph limits actually increase accidents this a fact.You got to love the tree huggers hahahaha[/p][/quote]No, not true. There was an increase in KSIs on 20 zones in 2011, but there were two big caveats to the stats: 1. Not even the Government knew how many miles of 20 zones there were, so it was hard to work out the risk factor compared to motorways, urban areas etc 2. the increase actually amounted to 2 extra deaths. The year before had something like 4 in total. Compare that to the 600 extra pedestrians killed in other areas and the hundreds of thousands seriously injured each year in non-20 zones. And the tree-hugger comments are pretty lame. There are plenty of families who want their children to be safer. Plenty of Doctors and Nurses who also want to deal with LESS injuries and deaths from the motor traffic and support it.[/p][/quote]blah blah blah you can't take the fact that it actually increases accidents,it doesn't have be deaths.There has been a massive increase in rta's where there is 20mph limits.I know the truth hurts but it is the truth sorry[/p][/quote]Its not the limit, its the action of those on the roads that increases crashes. The Police dont call them "accidents" for a reason btw. So none of you want to reduce the severity of injuries on our Countries roads? That's effectively what you've said... that your speed is more important that others' survival. Yours is not a truth, it is the incomprehensible ramblings of a sectioned patient on day release, LOL! Do you want to pay an extra £15 billion as motorists to pay for the damage you do to the NHS? That is what the KSIs are costing it each year. downfader
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9:14pm Tue 15 Jan 13

Fight_Back says...

downfader wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
downfader wrote:
NOT ONE of you complaining has validated your complaint with how far you drive...

..therefore this means that you have nothing to complain about, then.
What a bizarre argument that people that live in the city don't have a right of complaint about a policy unless they fulfil certain criteria outside being a city resident. Only a Green could think that !
I've never voted green in my life, but on the basis of all of your "anger" I think I've just been converted.

Thanks

And yes it is a valid argument. The DFT have been clear on the data over the last 10 years. Read my above comment - most of the traffic is local and is short distance. Is it not selfish for those people to drive and clog the roads for others?
Using your argument, unless you walk x amount of miles on a city pavement you have no right to complain about the lighting or poor repair of said pavement.

Any taxpayer and any voter within the city has every right to complain about a city council policy - it's called democracy. Sorry, maybe I should have suggested you're a communist as their against democracy.

Any driver that pays the appropriate taxes and fees and holds a valid drivers licence with insurance can drive on the road. You might not like it if they only do a couple of miles but they still have the right to do so. Given your strange limit I guess I'm not allowed to drive in the city as I drop my partner at work in the North Laine area and then drive to Worthing ?
[quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: NOT ONE of you complaining has validated your complaint with how far you drive... ..therefore this means that you have nothing to complain about, then.[/p][/quote]What a bizarre argument that people that live in the city don't have a right of complaint about a policy unless they fulfil certain criteria outside being a city resident. Only a Green could think that ![/p][/quote]I've never voted green in my life, but on the basis of all of your "anger" I think I've just been converted. Thanks And yes it is a valid argument. The DFT have been clear on the data over the last 10 years. Read my above comment - most of the traffic is local and is short distance. Is it not selfish for those people to drive and clog the roads for others?[/p][/quote]Using your argument, unless you walk x amount of miles on a city pavement you have no right to complain about the lighting or poor repair of said pavement. Any taxpayer and any voter within the city has every right to complain about a city council policy - it's called democracy. Sorry, maybe I should have suggested you're a communist as their against democracy. Any driver that pays the appropriate taxes and fees and holds a valid drivers licence with insurance can drive on the road. You might not like it if they only do a couple of miles but they still have the right to do so. Given your strange limit I guess I'm not allowed to drive in the city as I drop my partner at work in the North Laine area and then drive to Worthing ? Fight_Back
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9:18pm Tue 15 Jan 13

BornInBrighton1968 says...

Don't forget that the Green Party loons were voted in mainly by students, who thought that they we being ever-so trendy and alternative by voting Green (yet still fly-tip all of their junk at the end of Term when they go back home to mummy and daddy).

Now is the time for all Brighton men and women of good character to stand together to remove the incompetent, ultra politically-correc Green loons from power.

If we all work together, it could happen in a matter of months!
Don't forget that the Green Party loons were voted in mainly by students, who thought that they we being ever-so trendy and alternative by voting Green (yet still fly-tip all of their junk at the end of Term when they go back home to mummy and daddy). Now is the time for all Brighton men and women of good character to stand together to remove the incompetent, ultra politically-correc Green loons from power. If we all work together, it could happen in a matter of months! BornInBrighton1968
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9:21pm Tue 15 Jan 13

Michael Inkpin-Leissner says...

downfader wrote:
Michael Inkpin-Leissner wrote:
Thank you Greens, you added 30 min. for my way to work. Brilliant. Because thanks to you guys, the traffic jams will be longer and longer lasting.
You British Greens are a big embarrassment for all Green Parties in Europe. May I remind you, you are working for the people and not for ideology!
So if you're already in a traffic jam - how exactly will a 10mph drop in maximum speed limit affect non-moving traffic..?

Bizarre and ludicrous comment
Ever tried to make it out of Brighton in rush hour? I guess, the person who put that comment on my post is not in need to be urgent available. Otherwise I can't explain this not really thought threw comment by downfader. Thanks to the Greens, my costs for parking rose from 88 pounds a months to about 400. Thanks to the Greens, within half a year all major roads out of Brighton have road works going on, all at the very same time. I do not want to be part in some of the kindergarden discussions here. I want to make a point for citizens who have to commute out of Brighton.
[quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Michael Inkpin-Leissner[/bold] wrote: Thank you Greens, you added 30 min. for my way to work. Brilliant. Because thanks to you guys, the traffic jams will be longer and longer lasting. You British Greens are a big embarrassment for all Green Parties in Europe. May I remind you, you are working for the people and not for ideology![/p][/quote]So if you're already in a traffic jam - how exactly will a 10mph drop in maximum speed limit affect non-moving traffic..? Bizarre and ludicrous comment[/p][/quote]Ever tried to make it out of Brighton in rush hour? I guess, the person who put that comment on my post is not in need to be urgent available. Otherwise I can't explain this not really thought threw comment by downfader. Thanks to the Greens, my costs for parking rose from 88 pounds a months to about 400. Thanks to the Greens, within half a year all major roads out of Brighton have road works going on, all at the very same time. I do not want to be part in some of the kindergarden discussions here. I want to make a point for citizens who have to commute out of Brighton. Michael Inkpin-Leissner
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9:23pm Tue 15 Jan 13

downfader says...

Fight_Back wrote:
downfader wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
downfader wrote:
NOT ONE of you complaining has validated your complaint with how far you drive...

..therefore this means that you have nothing to complain about, then.
What a bizarre argument that people that live in the city don't have a right of complaint about a policy unless they fulfil certain criteria outside being a city resident. Only a Green could think that !
I've never voted green in my life, but on the basis of all of your "anger" I think I've just been converted.

Thanks

And yes it is a valid argument. The DFT have been clear on the data over the last 10 years. Read my above comment - most of the traffic is local and is short distance. Is it not selfish for those people to drive and clog the roads for others?
Using your argument, unless you walk x amount of miles on a city pavement you have no right to complain about the lighting or poor repair of said pavement.

Any taxpayer and any voter within the city has every right to complain about a city council policy - it's called democracy. Sorry, maybe I should have suggested you're a communist as their against democracy.

Any driver that pays the appropriate taxes and fees and holds a valid drivers licence with insurance can drive on the road. You might not like it if they only do a couple of miles but they still have the right to do so. Given your strange limit I guess I'm not allowed to drive in the city as I drop my partner at work in the North Laine area and then drive to Worthing ?
No. Car sharing is fine. You're making assumptions out of anger.

So where should all of these extra cars go? If the roads are jammed and people are unnecessarily using the car then surely there could be some kind of link..

..let me think...

Democracy is no excuse from absolving yourselves from social responsibility.

No excuse from absolving yourself from environmental responsibility either - some more facts: 14% of all pollution in the UK comes from private domestic cars. 80% of the most toxic and harmful air pollutants come from cars, too.

Social and environmental responsibility.
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: NOT ONE of you complaining has validated your complaint with how far you drive... ..therefore this means that you have nothing to complain about, then.[/p][/quote]What a bizarre argument that people that live in the city don't have a right of complaint about a policy unless they fulfil certain criteria outside being a city resident. Only a Green could think that ![/p][/quote]I've never voted green in my life, but on the basis of all of your "anger" I think I've just been converted. Thanks And yes it is a valid argument. The DFT have been clear on the data over the last 10 years. Read my above comment - most of the traffic is local and is short distance. Is it not selfish for those people to drive and clog the roads for others?[/p][/quote]Using your argument, unless you walk x amount of miles on a city pavement you have no right to complain about the lighting or poor repair of said pavement. Any taxpayer and any voter within the city has every right to complain about a city council policy - it's called democracy. Sorry, maybe I should have suggested you're a communist as their against democracy. Any driver that pays the appropriate taxes and fees and holds a valid drivers licence with insurance can drive on the road. You might not like it if they only do a couple of miles but they still have the right to do so. Given your strange limit I guess I'm not allowed to drive in the city as I drop my partner at work in the North Laine area and then drive to Worthing ?[/p][/quote]No. Car sharing is fine. You're making assumptions out of anger. So where should all of these extra cars go? If the roads are jammed and people are unnecessarily using the car then surely there could be some kind of link.. ..let me think... Democracy is no excuse from absolving yourselves from social responsibility. No excuse from absolving yourself from environmental responsibility either - some more facts: 14% of all pollution in the UK comes from private domestic cars. 80% of the most toxic and harmful air pollutants come from cars, too. Social and environmental responsibility. downfader
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9:24pm Tue 15 Jan 13

Hoarder12345444 says...

Wow, what a real dictator Kitkat is!! I will not be driving 20mph, I have to get to work each day, thankyou.
Wow, what a real dictator Kitkat is!! I will not be driving 20mph, I have to get to work each day, thankyou. Hoarder12345444
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9:28pm Tue 15 Jan 13

downfader says...

Hoarder12345444 wrote:
Wow, what a real dictator Kitkat is!! I will not be driving 20mph, I have to get to work each day, thankyou.
Set off earlier. Its as easy as that.
[quote][p][bold]Hoarder12345444[/bold] wrote: Wow, what a real dictator Kitkat is!! I will not be driving 20mph, I have to get to work each day, thankyou.[/p][/quote]Set off earlier. Its as easy as that. downfader
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9:30pm Tue 15 Jan 13

mimseycal says...

I don't think it is enforceable. I certainly don't think the police will bother to enforce it. Just more money wasted on meaningless traffic signs ...
I don't think it is enforceable. I certainly don't think the police will bother to enforce it. Just more money wasted on meaningless traffic signs ... mimseycal
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9:30pm Tue 15 Jan 13

Fight_Back says...

downfader wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
downfader wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
downfader wrote:
NOT ONE of you complaining has validated your complaint with how far you drive...

..therefore this means that you have nothing to complain about, then.
What a bizarre argument that people that live in the city don't have a right of complaint about a policy unless they fulfil certain criteria outside being a city resident. Only a Green could think that !
I've never voted green in my life, but on the basis of all of your "anger" I think I've just been converted.

Thanks

And yes it is a valid argument. The DFT have been clear on the data over the last 10 years. Read my above comment - most of the traffic is local and is short distance. Is it not selfish for those people to drive and clog the roads for others?
Using your argument, unless you walk x amount of miles on a city pavement you have no right to complain about the lighting or poor repair of said pavement.

Any taxpayer and any voter within the city has every right to complain about a city council policy - it's called democracy. Sorry, maybe I should have suggested you're a communist as their against democracy.

Any driver that pays the appropriate taxes and fees and holds a valid drivers licence with insurance can drive on the road. You might not like it if they only do a couple of miles but they still have the right to do so. Given your strange limit I guess I'm not allowed to drive in the city as I drop my partner at work in the North Laine area and then drive to Worthing ?
No. Car sharing is fine. You're making assumptions out of anger.

So where should all of these extra cars go? If the roads are jammed and people are unnecessarily using the car then surely there could be some kind of link..

..let me think...

Democracy is no excuse from absolving yourselves from social responsibility.

No excuse from absolving yourself from environmental responsibility either - some more facts: 14% of all pollution in the UK comes from private domestic cars. 80% of the most toxic and harmful air pollutants come from cars, too.

Social and environmental responsibility.
Exactly where are you getting that I'm angry ? I'm bemused but not angry. I bemused to why a council would ever spend £1.5m on a scheme that the police openly admit they won't ( and probably can't ) enforce. That money could easily have been spent on Surestart, the poor elderly or the homeless. All people that really couldn't care less about a 10mph reduction in speed limits.

This council has it's priorities completely wrong but unfortunately it's driven by political dogma ( as well as a complete moron for a leader ) rather than common sense. Thankfully they'll get decimated at the next election and no doubt we'll see Kitcat's sob stories in the Argus when it happens. I voted Green last time - NEVER again ( I'd rather vote Lib Dem and I'm an Albion supporter ! ).
[quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: NOT ONE of you complaining has validated your complaint with how far you drive... ..therefore this means that you have nothing to complain about, then.[/p][/quote]What a bizarre argument that people that live in the city don't have a right of complaint about a policy unless they fulfil certain criteria outside being a city resident. Only a Green could think that ![/p][/quote]I've never voted green in my life, but on the basis of all of your "anger" I think I've just been converted. Thanks And yes it is a valid argument. The DFT have been clear on the data over the last 10 years. Read my above comment - most of the traffic is local and is short distance. Is it not selfish for those people to drive and clog the roads for others?[/p][/quote]Using your argument, unless you walk x amount of miles on a city pavement you have no right to complain about the lighting or poor repair of said pavement. Any taxpayer and any voter within the city has every right to complain about a city council policy - it's called democracy. Sorry, maybe I should have suggested you're a communist as their against democracy. Any driver that pays the appropriate taxes and fees and holds a valid drivers licence with insurance can drive on the road. You might not like it if they only do a couple of miles but they still have the right to do so. Given your strange limit I guess I'm not allowed to drive in the city as I drop my partner at work in the North Laine area and then drive to Worthing ?[/p][/quote]No. Car sharing is fine. You're making assumptions out of anger. So where should all of these extra cars go? If the roads are jammed and people are unnecessarily using the car then surely there could be some kind of link.. ..let me think... Democracy is no excuse from absolving yourselves from social responsibility. No excuse from absolving yourself from environmental responsibility either - some more facts: 14% of all pollution in the UK comes from private domestic cars. 80% of the most toxic and harmful air pollutants come from cars, too. Social and environmental responsibility.[/p][/quote]Exactly where are you getting that I'm angry ? I'm bemused but not angry. I bemused to why a council would ever spend £1.5m on a scheme that the police openly admit they won't ( and probably can't ) enforce. That money could easily have been spent on Surestart, the poor elderly or the homeless. All people that really couldn't care less about a 10mph reduction in speed limits. This council has it's priorities completely wrong but unfortunately it's driven by political dogma ( as well as a complete moron for a leader ) rather than common sense. Thankfully they'll get decimated at the next election and no doubt we'll see Kitcat's sob stories in the Argus when it happens. I voted Green last time - NEVER again ( I'd rather vote Lib Dem and I'm an Albion supporter ! ). Fight_Back
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9:31pm Tue 15 Jan 13

downfader says...

Michael Inkpin-Leissner wrote:
downfader wrote:
Michael Inkpin-Leissner wrote:
Thank you Greens, you added 30 min. for my way to work. Brilliant. Because thanks to you guys, the traffic jams will be longer and longer lasting.
You British Greens are a big embarrassment for all Green Parties in Europe. May I remind you, you are working for the people and not for ideology!
So if you're already in a traffic jam - how exactly will a 10mph drop in maximum speed limit affect non-moving traffic..?

Bizarre and ludicrous comment
Ever tried to make it out of Brighton in rush hour? I guess, the person who put that comment on my post is not in need to be urgent available. Otherwise I can't explain this not really thought threw comment by downfader. Thanks to the Greens, my costs for parking rose from 88 pounds a months to about 400. Thanks to the Greens, within half a year all major roads out of Brighton have road works going on, all at the very same time. I do not want to be part in some of the kindergarden discussions here. I want to make a point for citizens who have to commute out of Brighton.
Every city has this problem. Brighton is no exception.

If expediency was such an issue over long distance then why not invest in a motorbike?

Stop with the "poor little me" people, it does you no favours. Plenty of people cope without the car or find strategies with their employer to car share or get discount rail travel.
[quote][p][bold]Michael Inkpin-Leissner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Michael Inkpin-Leissner[/bold] wrote: Thank you Greens, you added 30 min. for my way to work. Brilliant. Because thanks to you guys, the traffic jams will be longer and longer lasting. You British Greens are a big embarrassment for all Green Parties in Europe. May I remind you, you are working for the people and not for ideology![/p][/quote]So if you're already in a traffic jam - how exactly will a 10mph drop in maximum speed limit affect non-moving traffic..? Bizarre and ludicrous comment[/p][/quote]Ever tried to make it out of Brighton in rush hour? I guess, the person who put that comment on my post is not in need to be urgent available. Otherwise I can't explain this not really thought threw comment by downfader. Thanks to the Greens, my costs for parking rose from 88 pounds a months to about 400. Thanks to the Greens, within half a year all major roads out of Brighton have road works going on, all at the very same time. I do not want to be part in some of the kindergarden discussions here. I want to make a point for citizens who have to commute out of Brighton.[/p][/quote]Every city has this problem. Brighton is no exception. If expediency was such an issue over long distance then why not invest in a motorbike? Stop with the "poor little me" people, it does you no favours. Plenty of people cope without the car or find strategies with their employer to car share or get discount rail travel. downfader
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9:32pm Tue 15 Jan 13

bus nut says...

So can someone tell me how the police will enforce the speed limit for cyclists as they speed down these roads faster than 20mph but have no Speedo so with that in mind they wouldn't even know they were speeding well done the greens maybe now the cyclists will finally make the government some money in fixed penalties lol rofl oh dear no body thought about that did they
So can someone tell me how the police will enforce the speed limit for cyclists as they speed down these roads faster than 20mph but have no Speedo so with that in mind they wouldn't even know they were speeding well done the greens maybe now the cyclists will finally make the government some money in fixed penalties lol rofl oh dear no body thought about that did they bus nut
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9:32pm Tue 15 Jan 13

Maxwell's Ghost says...

The limits are not policed in residential areas.
They are pointless.
And as I said earlier, the single lane Lewes Road has brought traffic to a standstill this week. At 2pm today traffic was queued from Coombe Road right back past Mithras House which you only ever see if there's been an incident.
Supermarket lorries, refuse trucks, recycling lorries, vans and motorists spewing out fumes.
I am now digging around to find out if there is any connection of councillors, officers, employees, stakeholders, consultants and supporters involved in these so-called eco projects to renewable industries, eco granting organisations/educat
ional trusts/eco media/advertising etc because this scheme cannot be delivering an improved environment and something just doesn't sit right here and we can all see it before our eyes.
I also suspect the cycle counters were switched off prior to the scheme installation so we cannot ask for before and after stats for the new cycle lane.
The council claim they have been vandalised. The counter on the Lewes Road has never been attacked and I cycle past it every day.
The limits are not policed in residential areas. They are pointless. And as I said earlier, the single lane Lewes Road has brought traffic to a standstill this week. At 2pm today traffic was queued from Coombe Road right back past Mithras House which you only ever see if there's been an incident. Supermarket lorries, refuse trucks, recycling lorries, vans and motorists spewing out fumes. I am now digging around to find out if there is any connection of councillors, officers, employees, stakeholders, consultants and supporters involved in these so-called eco projects to renewable industries, eco granting organisations/educat ional trusts/eco media/advertising etc because this scheme cannot be delivering an improved environment and something just doesn't sit right here and we can all see it before our eyes. I also suspect the cycle counters were switched off prior to the scheme installation so we cannot ask for before and after stats for the new cycle lane. The council claim they have been vandalised. The counter on the Lewes Road has never been attacked and I cycle past it every day. Maxwell's Ghost
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9:39pm Tue 15 Jan 13

Michael Inkpin-Leissner says...

downfader wrote:
Michael Inkpin-Leissner wrote:
downfader wrote:
Michael Inkpin-Leissner wrote:
Thank you Greens, you added 30 min. for my way to work. Brilliant. Because thanks to you guys, the traffic jams will be longer and longer lasting.
You British Greens are a big embarrassment for all Green Parties in Europe. May I remind you, you are working for the people and not for ideology!
So if you're already in a traffic jam - how exactly will a 10mph drop in maximum speed limit affect non-moving traffic..?

Bizarre and ludicrous comment
Ever tried to make it out of Brighton in rush hour? I guess, the person who put that comment on my post is not in need to be urgent available. Otherwise I can't explain this not really thought threw comment by downfader. Thanks to the Greens, my costs for parking rose from 88 pounds a months to about 400. Thanks to the Greens, within half a year all major roads out of Brighton have road works going on, all at the very same time. I do not want to be part in some of the kindergarden discussions here. I want to make a point for citizens who have to commute out of Brighton.
Every city has this problem. Brighton is no exception.

If expediency was such an issue over long distance then why not invest in a motorbike?

Stop with the "poor little me" people, it does you no favours. Plenty of people cope without the car or find strategies with their employer to car share or get discount rail travel.
Downfader, enjoy your tour de commentaries here. You want to be heard but have nothing constructive to say. But i agree, my mistake to comment here to feed guys like you
[quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Michael Inkpin-Leissner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Michael Inkpin-Leissner[/bold] wrote: Thank you Greens, you added 30 min. for my way to work. Brilliant. Because thanks to you guys, the traffic jams will be longer and longer lasting. You British Greens are a big embarrassment for all Green Parties in Europe. May I remind you, you are working for the people and not for ideology![/p][/quote]So if you're already in a traffic jam - how exactly will a 10mph drop in maximum speed limit affect non-moving traffic..? Bizarre and ludicrous comment[/p][/quote]Ever tried to make it out of Brighton in rush hour? I guess, the person who put that comment on my post is not in need to be urgent available. Otherwise I can't explain this not really thought threw comment by downfader. Thanks to the Greens, my costs for parking rose from 88 pounds a months to about 400. Thanks to the Greens, within half a year all major roads out of Brighton have road works going on, all at the very same time. I do not want to be part in some of the kindergarden discussions here. I want to make a point for citizens who have to commute out of Brighton.[/p][/quote]Every city has this problem. Brighton is no exception. If expediency was such an issue over long distance then why not invest in a motorbike? Stop with the "poor little me" people, it does you no favours. Plenty of people cope without the car or find strategies with their employer to car share or get discount rail travel.[/p][/quote]Downfader, enjoy your tour de commentaries here. You want to be heard but have nothing constructive to say. But i agree, my mistake to comment here to feed guys like you Michael Inkpin-Leissner
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9:53pm Tue 15 Jan 13

george smith says...

BornInBrighton1968 wrote:
Don't forget that the Green Party loons were voted in mainly by students, who thought that they we being ever-so trendy and alternative by voting Green (yet still fly-tip all of their junk at the end of Term when they go back home to mummy and daddy).

Now is the time for all Brighton men and women of good character to stand together to remove the incompetent, ultra politically-correc Green loons from power.

If we all work together, it could happen in a matter of months!
What I find really sad is all the interesting old Brighton families are now obliterated by the swamp of Londonstian green glug.
[quote][p][bold]BornInBrighton1968[/bold] wrote: Don't forget that the Green Party loons were voted in mainly by students, who thought that they we being ever-so trendy and alternative by voting Green (yet still fly-tip all of their junk at the end of Term when they go back home to mummy and daddy). Now is the time for all Brighton men and women of good character to stand together to remove the incompetent, ultra politically-correc Green loons from power. If we all work together, it could happen in a matter of months![/p][/quote]What I find really sad is all the interesting old Brighton families are now obliterated by the swamp of Londonstian green glug. george smith
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9:53pm Tue 15 Jan 13

downfader says...

Michael Inkpin-Leissner wrote:
downfader wrote:
Michael Inkpin-Leissner wrote:
downfader wrote:
Michael Inkpin-Leissner wrote:
Thank you Greens, you added 30 min. for my way to work. Brilliant. Because thanks to you guys, the traffic jams will be longer and longer lasting.
You British Greens are a big embarrassment for all Green Parties in Europe. May I remind you, you are working for the people and not for ideology!
So if you're already in a traffic jam - how exactly will a 10mph drop in maximum speed limit affect non-moving traffic..?

Bizarre and ludicrous comment
Ever tried to make it out of Brighton in rush hour? I guess, the person who put that comment on my post is not in need to be urgent available. Otherwise I can't explain this not really thought threw comment by downfader. Thanks to the Greens, my costs for parking rose from 88 pounds a months to about 400. Thanks to the Greens, within half a year all major roads out of Brighton have road works going on, all at the very same time. I do not want to be part in some of the kindergarden discussions here. I want to make a point for citizens who have to commute out of Brighton.
Every city has this problem. Brighton is no exception.

If expediency was such an issue over long distance then why not invest in a motorbike?

Stop with the "poor little me" people, it does you no favours. Plenty of people cope without the car or find strategies with their employer to car share or get discount rail travel.
Downfader, enjoy your tour de commentaries here. You want to be heard but have nothing constructive to say. But i agree, my mistake to comment here to feed guys like you
Plenty of people hear me, I'm not that worried.

I think you guys fear the enemy within, that's why you're so vociferous about wanting to drive fast at everyone else's expense. 60% of the country doesnt drive - do they not have a say in the matter?

Things are changing, you have to accept this
[quote][p][bold]Michael Inkpin-Leissner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Michael Inkpin-Leissner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Michael Inkpin-Leissner[/bold] wrote: Thank you Greens, you added 30 min. for my way to work. Brilliant. Because thanks to you guys, the traffic jams will be longer and longer lasting. You British Greens are a big embarrassment for all Green Parties in Europe. May I remind you, you are working for the people and not for ideology![/p][/quote]So if you're already in a traffic jam - how exactly will a 10mph drop in maximum speed limit affect non-moving traffic..? Bizarre and ludicrous comment[/p][/quote]Ever tried to make it out of Brighton in rush hour? I guess, the person who put that comment on my post is not in need to be urgent available. Otherwise I can't explain this not really thought threw comment by downfader. Thanks to the Greens, my costs for parking rose from 88 pounds a months to about 400. Thanks to the Greens, within half a year all major roads out of Brighton have road works going on, all at the very same time. I do not want to be part in some of the kindergarden discussions here. I want to make a point for citizens who have to commute out of Brighton.[/p][/quote]Every city has this problem. Brighton is no exception. If expediency was such an issue over long distance then why not invest in a motorbike? Stop with the "poor little me" people, it does you no favours. Plenty of people cope without the car or find strategies with their employer to car share or get discount rail travel.[/p][/quote]Downfader, enjoy your tour de commentaries here. You want to be heard but have nothing constructive to say. But i agree, my mistake to comment here to feed guys like you[/p][/quote]Plenty of people hear me, I'm not that worried. I think you guys fear the enemy within, that's why you're so vociferous about wanting to drive fast at everyone else's expense. 60% of the country doesnt drive - do they not have a say in the matter? Things are changing, you have to accept this downfader
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9:57pm Tue 15 Jan 13

downfader says...

bus nut wrote:
So can someone tell me how the police will enforce the speed limit for cyclists as they speed down these roads faster than 20mph but have no Speedo so with that in mind they wouldn't even know they were speeding well done the greens maybe now the cyclists will finally make the government some money in fixed penalties lol rofl oh dear no body thought about that did they
IIRC the laws on speed are selective to "motorised vehicles" under the road traffic act for exactly the reason you note. Cycles dont have speedometers (you can buy them though, called odemeters or cycle computers)

Most cyclists dont go above 15mph
[quote][p][bold]bus nut[/bold] wrote: So can someone tell me how the police will enforce the speed limit for cyclists as they speed down these roads faster than 20mph but have no Speedo so with that in mind they wouldn't even know they were speeding well done the greens maybe now the cyclists will finally make the government some money in fixed penalties lol rofl oh dear no body thought about that did they[/p][/quote]IIRC the laws on speed are selective to "motorised vehicles" under the road traffic act for exactly the reason you note. Cycles dont have speedometers (you can buy them though, called odemeters or cycle computers) Most cyclists dont go above 15mph downfader
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10:14pm Tue 15 Jan 13

Hoarder12345444 says...

downfader wrote:
Hoarder12345444 wrote:
Wow, what a real dictator Kitkat is!! I will not be driving 20mph, I have to get to work each day, thankyou.
Set off earlier. Its as easy as that.
No thanks, I like being in bed till when I do thanks and will not be forced by the dictator Kitkat and told to drive down a road 20mph when it's clearly safe to drive double that.
[quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hoarder12345444[/bold] wrote: Wow, what a real dictator Kitkat is!! I will not be driving 20mph, I have to get to work each day, thankyou.[/p][/quote]Set off earlier. Its as easy as that.[/p][/quote]No thanks, I like being in bed till when I do thanks and will not be forced by the dictator Kitkat and told to drive down a road 20mph when it's clearly safe to drive double that. Hoarder12345444
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10:33pm Tue 15 Jan 13

Maxwell's Ghost says...

I average 25mph on my cycle commute each day.
Last week I was cycling at a top speed of 32mph on the Lewes Road (thanks to a good wind) which is why I will not use the weird section of cycle lane which now runs between the bus stop and the bus shelter as bus users can now just step off the bus and straight into the cycling traffic. Let's see who is the first pedestrian to sue the council when an accident happens.
As for the limit, the council wont enforce it as they rarely enforce any traffic midemeanours. They haven't got the resource.
I average 25mph on my cycle commute each day. Last week I was cycling at a top speed of 32mph on the Lewes Road (thanks to a good wind) which is why I will not use the weird section of cycle lane which now runs between the bus stop and the bus shelter as bus users can now just step off the bus and straight into the cycling traffic. Let's see who is the first pedestrian to sue the council when an accident happens. As for the limit, the council wont enforce it as they rarely enforce any traffic midemeanours. They haven't got the resource. Maxwell's Ghost
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10:34pm Tue 15 Jan 13

The Real Phil says...

Fight_Back wrote:
Totally unenforceable so I'll be ignoring it and driving at 30 thank you.
Obviously a quote from one who does not care who dies, just so long as they get to their destination more quickly. With all of the moaners and whingers, is there not one person who is grateful that they do not live in the Somerset village where the speed limit is 15 MPH at all times on the main road through the county?
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: Totally unenforceable so I'll be ignoring it and driving at 30 thank you.[/p][/quote]Obviously a quote from one who does not care who dies, just so long as they get to their destination more quickly. With all of the moaners and whingers, is there not one person who is grateful that they do not live in the Somerset village where the speed limit is 15 MPH at all times on the main road through the county? The Real Phil
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10:39pm Tue 15 Jan 13

AmboGuy says...

It doesn't bother me at all. I'll drive the speed I've always driven and another loony policy from our loony Green council won't stop that.
It doesn't bother me at all. I'll drive the speed I've always driven and another loony policy from our loony Green council won't stop that. AmboGuy
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10:42pm Tue 15 Jan 13

Wooton Basset says...

Dear Mr Kit Kat et al, thanks for turning Brighton into the kerb Crawling capitol of Great Britain. how green is that...
Dear Mr Kit Kat et al, thanks for turning Brighton into the kerb Crawling capitol of Great Britain. how green is that... Wooton Basset
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10:47pm Tue 15 Jan 13

AmboGuy says...

downfader wrote:
Michael Inkpin-Leissner wrote:
downfader wrote:
Michael Inkpin-Leissner wrote:
Thank you Greens, you added 30 min. for my way to work. Brilliant. Because thanks to you guys, the traffic jams will be longer and longer lasting.
You British Greens are a big embarrassment for all Green Parties in Europe. May I remind you, you are working for the people and not for ideology!
So if you're already in a traffic jam - how exactly will a 10mph drop in maximum speed limit affect non-moving traffic..?

Bizarre and ludicrous comment
Ever tried to make it out of Brighton in rush hour? I guess, the person who put that comment on my post is not in need to be urgent available. Otherwise I can't explain this not really thought threw comment by downfader. Thanks to the Greens, my costs for parking rose from 88 pounds a months to about 400. Thanks to the Greens, within half a year all major roads out of Brighton have road works going on, all at the very same time. I do not want to be part in some of the kindergarden discussions here. I want to make a point for citizens who have to commute out of Brighton.
Every city has this problem. Brighton is no exception.

If expediency was such an issue over long distance then why not invest in a motorbike?

Stop with the "poor little me" people, it does you no favours. Plenty of people cope without the car or find strategies with their employer to car share or get discount rail travel.
You really are a moron. What people like you don't understand is that some people HAVE to drive so to tell them to just use an alternative is just plain ignorant.

Yes lots of cities have traffic problems but for the less busy times when the rush hour is over reducing the speed limit will really clog up the roads. Like I say I won't stick to it but they'll be plenty of people who blindly do who'll congest roads that would otherwise be fairly clear.
[quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Michael Inkpin-Leissner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Michael Inkpin-Leissner[/bold] wrote: Thank you Greens, you added 30 min. for my way to work. Brilliant. Because thanks to you guys, the traffic jams will be longer and longer lasting. You British Greens are a big embarrassment for all Green Parties in Europe. May I remind you, you are working for the people and not for ideology![/p][/quote]So if you're already in a traffic jam - how exactly will a 10mph drop in maximum speed limit affect non-moving traffic..? Bizarre and ludicrous comment[/p][/quote]Ever tried to make it out of Brighton in rush hour? I guess, the person who put that comment on my post is not in need to be urgent available. Otherwise I can't explain this not really thought threw comment by downfader. Thanks to the Greens, my costs for parking rose from 88 pounds a months to about 400. Thanks to the Greens, within half a year all major roads out of Brighton have road works going on, all at the very same time. I do not want to be part in some of the kindergarden discussions here. I want to make a point for citizens who have to commute out of Brighton.[/p][/quote]Every city has this problem. Brighton is no exception. If expediency was such an issue over long distance then why not invest in a motorbike? Stop with the "poor little me" people, it does you no favours. Plenty of people cope without the car or find strategies with their employer to car share or get discount rail travel.[/p][/quote]You really are a moron. What people like you don't understand is that some people HAVE to drive so to tell them to just use an alternative is just plain ignorant. Yes lots of cities have traffic problems but for the less busy times when the rush hour is over reducing the speed limit will really clog up the roads. Like I say I won't stick to it but they'll be plenty of people who blindly do who'll congest roads that would otherwise be fairly clear. AmboGuy
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10:51pm Tue 15 Jan 13

Fight_Back says...

downfader wrote:
bus nut wrote:
So can someone tell me how the police will enforce the speed limit for cyclists as they speed down these roads faster than 20mph but have no Speedo so with that in mind they wouldn't even know they were speeding well done the greens maybe now the cyclists will finally make the government some money in fixed penalties lol rofl oh dear no body thought about that did they
IIRC the laws on speed are selective to "motorised vehicles" under the road traffic act for exactly the reason you note. Cycles dont have speedometers (you can buy them though, called odemeters or cycle computers)

Most cyclists dont go above 15mph
Actually speed limits apply to anyone whether it's a motorised vehicle or not but don't let facts get in the way of a good rant !
[quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bus nut[/bold] wrote: So can someone tell me how the police will enforce the speed limit for cyclists as they speed down these roads faster than 20mph but have no Speedo so with that in mind they wouldn't even know they were speeding well done the greens maybe now the cyclists will finally make the government some money in fixed penalties lol rofl oh dear no body thought about that did they[/p][/quote]IIRC the laws on speed are selective to "motorised vehicles" under the road traffic act for exactly the reason you note. Cycles dont have speedometers (you can buy them though, called odemeters or cycle computers) Most cyclists dont go above 15mph[/p][/quote]Actually speed limits apply to anyone whether it's a motorised vehicle or not but don't let facts get in the way of a good rant ! Fight_Back
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10:55pm Tue 15 Jan 13

Fight_Back says...

The Real Phil wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
Totally unenforceable so I'll be ignoring it and driving at 30 thank you.
Obviously a quote from one who does not care who dies, just so long as they get to their destination more quickly. With all of the moaners and whingers, is there not one person who is grateful that they do not live in the Somerset village where the speed limit is 15 MPH at all times on the main road through the county?
Never hit anyone and never killed anyone thank you. 30mph has been considered a safe speed for decades and just because a political party that has a fantasy around a carless society comes to power doesn't suddenly make 30mph unsafe. Besides, most of the time you can't actually drive for more than 200yds at 30mph so why spend £1.5m - yes £1.5m - on such a pointless and unenforceable scheme ?

Remember this next time Kitcat whines about cuts etc.
[quote][p][bold]The Real Phil[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: Totally unenforceable so I'll be ignoring it and driving at 30 thank you.[/p][/quote]Obviously a quote from one who does not care who dies, just so long as they get to their destination more quickly. With all of the moaners and whingers, is there not one person who is grateful that they do not live in the Somerset village where the speed limit is 15 MPH at all times on the main road through the county?[/p][/quote]Never hit anyone and never killed anyone thank you. 30mph has been considered a safe speed for decades and just because a political party that has a fantasy around a carless society comes to power doesn't suddenly make 30mph unsafe. Besides, most of the time you can't actually drive for more than 200yds at 30mph so why spend £1.5m - yes £1.5m - on such a pointless and unenforceable scheme ? Remember this next time Kitcat whines about cuts etc. Fight_Back
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11:09pm Tue 15 Jan 13

Maxwell's Ghost says...

...and this is why the policy of punishing motorists is failing and hitting the majority of the city because the council has not established why people use their cars. They have made assumptions based on their own lifestyles.
In other cities/towns where significant changes are made, a census is held stopping motorists asking for info about their reason for travelling ie the Lewes Road.
This council assumes that people can use public transport or cycle when in fact Sussex is a rural county with traders travelling all over the place to multiple jobs trying to earn a living with the average house price in the city now almost 12 times the average city salary, with nurses working shifts not covered by buses, a bus system which works in a grid system meaning two bus trips for most journeys and many estates in the city only having a bus once an hour such as Meadowview and on Sundays once every few hours. And even then some people live a 20 minute walk from a stop in poorly lit estates which is not favoured by many women such as my wife who used to cycle to her nursing job until she was shoved off her bike by a drunken man. You try cycling up Bear Road at midnight in minus zero temperatures after a 12 hour shift at the county hospital.
The topography of the city makes it challenging for older people to walk or people generally to use bikes.
But remember, those implementing
these schemes are councillors who don't work, don't have regular employment, don't work shifts, they are those self-employed consultant types who can meander about in the day without time pressures. Most live in the city centre and most do not have the family connections in the city, where they may be working full time and then haring across town at weekends looking after elderly relatives and getting kids to football club.
They are all middle aged or older, self employed, or 'wives' who live in the city centre. When they do have to travel out of the city to relatives they hire the car from the car club and then suddenly experience how ordinary people live every day, not just the one off for Christmas or Easter.
That's the key problem. B&H is more than the Regency Square mile and more than a handful of wealthy, time rich middle class yummy mummies and self employed people. It's a working city.
We are not Bath, York or Ross on Wye.
However, perhaps the council is ethnically cleansing the working class from the city to create a fringe festival feel every day.
...and this is why the policy of punishing motorists is failing and hitting the majority of the city because the council has not established why people use their cars. They have made assumptions based on their own lifestyles. In other cities/towns where significant changes are made, a census is held stopping motorists asking for info about their reason for travelling ie the Lewes Road. This council assumes that people can use public transport or cycle when in fact Sussex is a rural county with traders travelling all over the place to multiple jobs trying to earn a living with the average house price in the city now almost 12 times the average city salary, with nurses working shifts not covered by buses, a bus system which works in a grid system meaning two bus trips for most journeys and many estates in the city only having a bus once an hour such as Meadowview and on Sundays once every few hours. And even then some people live a 20 minute walk from a stop in poorly lit estates which is not favoured by many women such as my wife who used to cycle to her nursing job until she was shoved off her bike by a drunken man. You try cycling up Bear Road at midnight in minus zero temperatures after a 12 hour shift at the county hospital. The topography of the city makes it challenging for older people to walk or people generally to use bikes. But remember, those implementing these schemes are councillors who don't work, don't have regular employment, don't work shifts, they are those self-employed consultant types who can meander about in the day without time pressures. Most live in the city centre and most do not have the family connections in the city, where they may be working full time and then haring across town at weekends looking after elderly relatives and getting kids to football club. They are all middle aged or older, self employed, or 'wives' who live in the city centre. When they do have to travel out of the city to relatives they hire the car from the car club and then suddenly experience how ordinary people live every day, not just the one off for Christmas or Easter. That's the key problem. B&H is more than the Regency Square mile and more than a handful of wealthy, time rich middle class yummy mummies and self employed people. It's a working city. We are not Bath, York or Ross on Wye. However, perhaps the council is ethnically cleansing the working class from the city to create a fringe festival feel every day. Maxwell's Ghost
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11:09pm Tue 15 Jan 13

doggle says...

Lovin' all the ranters out in force on this one, bless you all for giving me a good giggle as you vent your spleen :-)

As for still doing 30mph as you're so blase about the danger of motor vehicles 'cos you're alright Jack and **** the rest, you won't if you're behind me, 19mph it is!

Glad someone is standing up to the motoring lobby, it's about time :-)
Lovin' all the ranters out in force on this one, bless you all for giving me a good giggle as you vent your spleen :-) As for still doing 30mph as you're so blase about the danger of motor vehicles 'cos you're alright Jack and **** the rest, you won't if you're behind me, 19mph it is! Glad someone is standing up to the motoring lobby, it's about time :-) doggle
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11:13pm Tue 15 Jan 13

doggle says...

That **** was "dam(n)" btw, my the Argus is touchy!
That **** was "dam(n)" btw, my the Argus is touchy! doggle
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7:06am Wed 16 Jan 13

BURIRAM says...

biker brighton wrote:
yes and taxi drivers always stick to the 30 mph limit don't they
i regally travel to work early hours
this week so far have been overtaken on the crossing at hospital and several times on seafront they seen to be exempt from the law
So are the bus drivers that overload there buses going to uni in the early hours bonus pay is it ?
Are you the perfect cyclist that always stops at red lights, the bus I travel on to the uni can hold over 100 standing passengers, did you count them all while cycling?
[quote][p][bold]biker brighton[/bold] wrote: yes and taxi drivers always stick to the 30 mph limit don't they i regally travel to work early hours this week so far have been overtaken on the crossing at hospital and several times on seafront they seen to be exempt from the law So are the bus drivers that overload there buses going to uni in the early hours bonus pay is it ?[/p][/quote]Are you the perfect cyclist that always stops at red lights, the bus I travel on to the uni can hold over 100 standing passengers, did you count them all while cycling? BURIRAM
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7:10am Wed 16 Jan 13

Brightonlad86 says...

What's the point having a 20mph speed limit when the 'bad' drivers don't stick to the limit anyway??

If people wish to make life difficult for me ill just spend my money elsewhere.. And I'm sure many others are of the same mindset.

I refuse to use public transport!! I've always ended up with some obese sod taking up 3/4 of my seat, smelly tramps, rowdy teens, drunks/druggies.... You get the idea.
What's the point having a 20mph speed limit when the 'bad' drivers don't stick to the limit anyway?? If people wish to make life difficult for me ill just spend my money elsewhere.. And I'm sure many others are of the same mindset. I refuse to use public transport!! I've always ended up with some obese sod taking up 3/4 of my seat, smelly tramps, rowdy teens, drunks/druggies.... You get the idea. Brightonlad86
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7:33am Wed 16 Jan 13

fred clause says...

And as I said before its going to cause more pollution which goes against green policy they really do have no clue thats hardly better for our kids is it?
And as I said before its going to cause more pollution which goes against green policy they really do have no clue thats hardly better for our kids is it? fred clause
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7:45am Wed 16 Jan 13

Ballroom Blitz says...

downfader wrote:
Ballroom Blitz wrote:
It won't make any difference to me. I'll learn where all the cameras are, and then continue to drive at approx 40mph when I can, and bollards to the flipping Green idiots.
They will never catch me. They haven't for the last 10 years I have been here.
And whatever the rest of you think: I am 100% safe. Never had an accident in 30 years.
But how many have you caused?
None.
[quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ballroom Blitz[/bold] wrote: It won't make any difference to me. I'll learn where all the cameras are, and then continue to drive at approx 40mph when I can, and bollards to the flipping Green idiots. They will never catch me. They haven't for the last 10 years I have been here. And whatever the rest of you think: I am 100% safe. Never had an accident in 30 years.[/p][/quote]But how many have you caused?[/p][/quote]None. Ballroom Blitz
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7:51am Wed 16 Jan 13

Ballroom Blitz says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
...and this is why the policy of punishing motorists is failing and hitting the majority of the city because the council has not established why people use their cars. They have made assumptions based on their own lifestyles.
In other cities/towns where significant changes are made, a census is held stopping motorists asking for info about their reason for travelling ie the Lewes Road.
This council assumes that people can use public transport or cycle when in fact Sussex is a rural county with traders travelling all over the place to multiple jobs trying to earn a living with the average house price in the city now almost 12 times the average city salary, with nurses working shifts not covered by buses, a bus system which works in a grid system meaning two bus trips for most journeys and many estates in the city only having a bus once an hour such as Meadowview and on Sundays once every few hours. And even then some people live a 20 minute walk from a stop in poorly lit estates which is not favoured by many women such as my wife who used to cycle to her nursing job until she was shoved off her bike by a drunken man. You try cycling up Bear Road at midnight in minus zero temperatures after a 12 hour shift at the county hospital.
The topography of the city makes it challenging for older people to walk or people generally to use bikes.
But remember, those implementing
these schemes are councillors who don't work, don't have regular employment, don't work shifts, they are those self-employed consultant types who can meander about in the day without time pressures. Most live in the city centre and most do not have the family connections in the city, where they may be working full time and then haring across town at weekends looking after elderly relatives and getting kids to football club.
They are all middle aged or older, self employed, or 'wives' who live in the city centre. When they do have to travel out of the city to relatives they hire the car from the car club and then suddenly experience how ordinary people live every day, not just the one off for Christmas or Easter.
That's the key problem. B&H is more than the Regency Square mile and more than a handful of wealthy, time rich middle class yummy mummies and self employed people. It's a working city.
We are not Bath, York or Ross on Wye.
However, perhaps the council is ethnically cleansing the working class from the city to create a fringe festival feel every day.
Extremely well put.
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: ...and this is why the policy of punishing motorists is failing and hitting the majority of the city because the council has not established why people use their cars. They have made assumptions based on their own lifestyles. In other cities/towns where significant changes are made, a census is held stopping motorists asking for info about their reason for travelling ie the Lewes Road. This council assumes that people can use public transport or cycle when in fact Sussex is a rural county with traders travelling all over the place to multiple jobs trying to earn a living with the average house price in the city now almost 12 times the average city salary, with nurses working shifts not covered by buses, a bus system which works in a grid system meaning two bus trips for most journeys and many estates in the city only having a bus once an hour such as Meadowview and on Sundays once every few hours. And even then some people live a 20 minute walk from a stop in poorly lit estates which is not favoured by many women such as my wife who used to cycle to her nursing job until she was shoved off her bike by a drunken man. You try cycling up Bear Road at midnight in minus zero temperatures after a 12 hour shift at the county hospital. The topography of the city makes it challenging for older people to walk or people generally to use bikes. But remember, those implementing these schemes are councillors who don't work, don't have regular employment, don't work shifts, they are those self-employed consultant types who can meander about in the day without time pressures. Most live in the city centre and most do not have the family connections in the city, where they may be working full time and then haring across town at weekends looking after elderly relatives and getting kids to football club. They are all middle aged or older, self employed, or 'wives' who live in the city centre. When they do have to travel out of the city to relatives they hire the car from the car club and then suddenly experience how ordinary people live every day, not just the one off for Christmas or Easter. That's the key problem. B&H is more than the Regency Square mile and more than a handful of wealthy, time rich middle class yummy mummies and self employed people. It's a working city. We are not Bath, York or Ross on Wye. However, perhaps the council is ethnically cleansing the working class from the city to create a fringe festival feel every day.[/p][/quote]Extremely well put. Ballroom Blitz
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8:04am Wed 16 Jan 13

sussexguy says...

iloveworthing wrote:
I think this is great. So many other places in the UK have introduced 20mph limits on residential roads to make things safer for pedestrians, cyclists, children and older people. I visit Brighton a lot (generally train and on foot) and the reduced limits will certainly make me feel safer crossing roads with my children, as well as walking along narrow pavements without the fear of speeding traffic.
Well, maybe you should be using the proper pedestrian crossings when taking your children across the road, as well as avoiding walking in the road when going along narrow pavements. All over Brighton and Hove I see pedestrians stepping out into the traffic, in order to avoid walking to the nearest crossing or waiting patiently at traffic lights.
Meanwhile I have yet to see the traffic slowing down to 20 mph in areas of Hove where that has become the legal limit.
[quote][p][bold]iloveworthing[/bold] wrote: I think this is great. So many other places in the UK have introduced 20mph limits on residential roads to make things safer for pedestrians, cyclists, children and older people. I visit Brighton a lot (generally train and on foot) and the reduced limits will certainly make me feel safer crossing roads with my children, as well as walking along narrow pavements without the fear of speeding traffic.[/p][/quote]Well, maybe you should be using the proper pedestrian crossings when taking your children across the road, as well as avoiding walking in the road when going along narrow pavements. All over Brighton and Hove I see pedestrians stepping out into the traffic, in order to avoid walking to the nearest crossing or waiting patiently at traffic lights. Meanwhile I have yet to see the traffic slowing down to 20 mph in areas of Hove where that has become the legal limit. sussexguy
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8:16am Wed 16 Jan 13

sussexguy says...

Brightonlad86 wrote:
What's the point having a 20mph speed limit when the 'bad' drivers don't stick to the limit anyway??

If people wish to make life difficult for me ill just spend my money elsewhere.. And I'm sure many others are of the same mindset.

I refuse to use public transport!! I've always ended up with some obese sod taking up 3/4 of my seat, smelly tramps, rowdy teens, drunks/druggies.... You get the idea.
And I would add to the list the morons who put their filthy feet up on the seat in front of them, the mothers taking up several seats with their buggies, the shouting into mobile phones, shopping placed in the aisle, and those with a persistent cough, passing on their germs to the rest of us. Then there is the fact that drivers do not wait to let passengers get to a seat (assuming there is a seat vacant) before whizzing off at terrific speed. It must be a nightmare for the elderly and infirm. No! Travel by public transport is no big deal.
[quote][p][bold]Brightonlad86[/bold] wrote: What's the point having a 20mph speed limit when the 'bad' drivers don't stick to the limit anyway?? If people wish to make life difficult for me ill just spend my money elsewhere.. And I'm sure many others are of the same mindset. I refuse to use public transport!! I've always ended up with some obese sod taking up 3/4 of my seat, smelly tramps, rowdy teens, drunks/druggies.... You get the idea.[/p][/quote]And I would add to the list the morons who put their filthy feet up on the seat in front of them, the mothers taking up several seats with their buggies, the shouting into mobile phones, shopping placed in the aisle, and those with a persistent cough, passing on their germs to the rest of us. Then there is the fact that drivers do not wait to let passengers get to a seat (assuming there is a seat vacant) before whizzing off at terrific speed. It must be a nightmare for the elderly and infirm. No! Travel by public transport is no big deal. sussexguy
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8:31am Wed 16 Jan 13

bluemonday says...

biker brighton wrote:
yes and taxi drivers always stick to the 30 mph limit don't they i regally travel to work early hours this week so far have been overtaken on the crossing at hospital and several times on seafront they seen to be exempt from the law So are the bus drivers that overload there buses going to uni in the early hours bonus pay is it ?
whats with the stupid ill informed comment about the bus company,if you think the buses are overloaded inform the relevant authorities and i'm sure they would love to impose fines,or you could do some research and actually find out how many people buses can legally carry.oh and do you travel around in the queens golden carriage considering you "regally"travel to work.
[quote][p][bold]biker brighton[/bold] wrote: yes and taxi drivers always stick to the 30 mph limit don't they i regally travel to work early hours this week so far have been overtaken on the crossing at hospital and several times on seafront they seen to be exempt from the law So are the bus drivers that overload there buses going to uni in the early hours bonus pay is it ?[/p][/quote]whats with the stupid ill informed comment about the bus company,if you think the buses are overloaded inform the relevant authorities and i'm sure they would love to impose fines,or you could do some research and actually find out how many people buses can legally carry.oh and do you travel around in the queens golden carriage considering you "regally"travel to work. bluemonday
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8:35am Wed 16 Jan 13

Skidrow says...

Well downfader I'd just like to validate my concern as a whinger with a van full of tools as a local builder. Can you show me which motorway I am supposed to use when travelling from any of the estates in Brighton or Hove to work on, say Kings House? As further "validation" I live here and pay for these half a*sed schemes, which entitles me to a voice, regardless of my mileage in a private or business capacity.
Well downfader I'd just like to validate my concern as a whinger with a van full of tools as a local builder. Can you show me which motorway I am supposed to use when travelling from any of the estates in Brighton or Hove to work on, say Kings House? As further "validation" I live here and pay for these half a*sed schemes, which entitles me to a voice, regardless of my mileage in a private or business capacity. Skidrow
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9:01am Wed 16 Jan 13

Cyril Bolleaux says...

The thing to do is to drive at 30 mph which is perfectly safe most of the time. If you are ever stopped by the police explain that you are an "activist" making a political point. Go to Court and complain about your civil liberties, human rights etc. You could describe yourself as a Traveller Activist. The BBC and the Argus and will then give you sympathetic coverage. You can then go to the Council and get them to give you money as you are an Traveller Activist and must be subsidised. You can use this money to pay any fine.
The thing to do is to drive at 30 mph which is perfectly safe most of the time. If you are ever stopped by the police explain that you are an "activist" making a political point. Go to Court and complain about your civil liberties, human rights etc. You could describe yourself as a Traveller Activist. The BBC and the Argus and will then give you sympathetic coverage. You can then go to the Council and get them to give you money as you are an Traveller Activist and must be subsidised. You can use this money to pay any fine. Cyril Bolleaux
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9:10am Wed 16 Jan 13

Hoarder12345444 says...

Ballroom Blitz wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
...and this is why the policy of punishing motorists is failing and hitting the majority of the city because the council has not established why people use their cars. They have made assumptions based on their own lifestyles.
In other cities/towns where significant changes are made, a census is held stopping motorists asking for info about their reason for travelling ie the Lewes Road.
This council assumes that people can use public transport or cycle when in fact Sussex is a rural county with traders travelling all over the place to multiple jobs trying to earn a living with the average house price in the city now almost 12 times the average city salary, with nurses working shifts not covered by buses, a bus system which works in a grid system meaning two bus trips for most journeys and many estates in the city only having a bus once an hour such as Meadowview and on Sundays once every few hours. And even then some people live a 20 minute walk from a stop in poorly lit estates which is not favoured by many women such as my wife who used to cycle to her nursing job until she was shoved off her bike by a drunken man. You try cycling up Bear Road at midnight in minus zero temperatures after a 12 hour shift at the county hospital.
The topography of the city makes it challenging for older people to walk or people generally to use bikes.
But remember, those implementing
these schemes are councillors who don't work, don't have regular employment, don't work shifts, they are those self-employed consultant types who can meander about in the day without time pressures. Most live in the city centre and most do not have the family connections in the city, where they may be working full time and then haring across town at weekends looking after elderly relatives and getting kids to football club.
They are all middle aged or older, self employed, or 'wives' who live in the city centre. When they do have to travel out of the city to relatives they hire the car from the car club and then suddenly experience how ordinary people live every day, not just the one off for Christmas or Easter.
That's the key problem. B&H is more than the Regency Square mile and more than a handful of wealthy, time rich middle class yummy mummies and self employed people. It's a working city.
We are not Bath, York or Ross on Wye.
However, perhaps the council is ethnically cleansing the working class from the city to create a fringe festival feel every day.
Extremely well put.
As ever Maxwell puts in succintly and accurately, and just shows the Loony Toon Greens for what they are. It's even worse in Mid Sussex for public transport. I have two choices to get to work. Walk 15 minutes in the freezing cold, wait for a bus, pay in the region of £5 to get to Brighton for work. Or get the train. Which is a 20 min walk. And pay about £6 for a single, 10 minute ride. Or I could just get in my car, which is parked outside where I live and has heating and a radio and no one else to bother me, and it's cheaper. Drive into Brighton, park up, and walk into work. Hmmmmmmm, that's such a hard choice to make.
[quote][p][bold]Ballroom Blitz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: ...and this is why the policy of punishing motorists is failing and hitting the majority of the city because the council has not established why people use their cars. They have made assumptions based on their own lifestyles. In other cities/towns where significant changes are made, a census is held stopping motorists asking for info about their reason for travelling ie the Lewes Road. This council assumes that people can use public transport or cycle when in fact Sussex is a rural county with traders travelling all over the place to multiple jobs trying to earn a living with the average house price in the city now almost 12 times the average city salary, with nurses working shifts not covered by buses, a bus system which works in a grid system meaning two bus trips for most journeys and many estates in the city only having a bus once an hour such as Meadowview and on Sundays once every few hours. And even then some people live a 20 minute walk from a stop in poorly lit estates which is not favoured by many women such as my wife who used to cycle to her nursing job until she was shoved off her bike by a drunken man. You try cycling up Bear Road at midnight in minus zero temperatures after a 12 hour shift at the county hospital. The topography of the city makes it challenging for older people to walk or people generally to use bikes. But remember, those implementing these schemes are councillors who don't work, don't have regular employment, don't work shifts, they are those self-employed consultant types who can meander about in the day without time pressures. Most live in the city centre and most do not have the family connections in the city, where they may be working full time and then haring across town at weekends looking after elderly relatives and getting kids to football club. They are all middle aged or older, self employed, or 'wives' who live in the city centre. When they do have to travel out of the city to relatives they hire the car from the car club and then suddenly experience how ordinary people live every day, not just the one off for Christmas or Easter. That's the key problem. B&H is more than the Regency Square mile and more than a handful of wealthy, time rich middle class yummy mummies and self employed people. It's a working city. We are not Bath, York or Ross on Wye. However, perhaps the council is ethnically cleansing the working class from the city to create a fringe festival feel every day.[/p][/quote]Extremely well put.[/p][/quote]As ever Maxwell puts in succintly and accurately, and just shows the Loony Toon Greens for what they are. It's even worse in Mid Sussex for public transport. I have two choices to get to work. Walk 15 minutes in the freezing cold, wait for a bus, pay in the region of £5 to get to Brighton for work. Or get the train. Which is a 20 min walk. And pay about £6 for a single, 10 minute ride. Or I could just get in my car, which is parked outside where I live and has heating and a radio and no one else to bother me, and it's cheaper. Drive into Brighton, park up, and walk into work. Hmmmmmmm, that's such a hard choice to make. Hoarder12345444
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9:26am Wed 16 Jan 13

Morpheus says...

The BBC news last night said that it was approved by 7 votes to 3. Can this be right?
The BBC news last night said that it was approved by 7 votes to 3. Can this be right? Morpheus
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9:29am Wed 16 Jan 13

Sussex jim says...

downfader wrote:
Anyone who complains about the 20mph limits should

a) declare their mileage (if you're driving when there are other options then that makes you a whinger, long distance means more than 30 miles a day)

b) whether you're able bodied (nobody is going to dispute disabled access to the road)

c) if you work with tools, heavy loads, etc (actually the difference in journey times is little as these people will mostly be using the motorways etc)
It would be more sensible for tradesmen to be able to park their van containing tools and materials where they are working, for as long as necessary, and take priority over people who dump their personal chariot in the street all day while they work in an office or shop.
[quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: Anyone who complains about the 20mph limits should a) declare their mileage (if you're driving when there are other options then that makes you a whinger, long distance means more than 30 miles a day) b) whether you're able bodied (nobody is going to dispute disabled access to the road) c) if you work with tools, heavy loads, etc (actually the difference in journey times is little as these people will mostly be using the motorways etc)[/p][/quote]It would be more sensible for tradesmen to be able to park their van containing tools and materials where they are working, for as long as necessary, and take priority over people who dump their personal chariot in the street all day while they work in an office or shop. Sussex jim
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9:51am Wed 16 Jan 13

thevoiceoftruth says...

So what about the research showing that 20mph zones actually increase accidents? Accidents on 20mph roads increased by 24% between 2011 - 2012. Is this linked to these schemes?

Other councils are implementing 20mph zones but sticking with residential areas, which pretty much everyone supports. Why do the Greens have to take it to the next level and include all major roads? It smacks of arrogance and a complete lack of regard for the views of the residents.
So what about the research showing that 20mph zones actually increase accidents? Accidents on 20mph roads increased by 24% between 2011 - 2012. Is this linked to these schemes? Other councils are implementing 20mph zones but sticking with residential areas, which pretty much everyone supports. Why do the Greens have to take it to the next level and include all major roads? It smacks of arrogance and a complete lack of regard for the views of the residents. thevoiceoftruth
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9:53am Wed 16 Jan 13

nocando says...

Glad I gave up motoring, far too time consuming and stressful. I shall continue to zip around on my motorbike ignoring both the 20mph limits and the extra queues of traffic they'll cause.
Hahaha, stupid greens, you'll never stop me.
Glad I gave up motoring, far too time consuming and stressful. I shall continue to zip around on my motorbike ignoring both the 20mph limits and the extra queues of traffic they'll cause. Hahaha, stupid greens, you'll never stop me. nocando
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9:57am Wed 16 Jan 13

Hoarder12345444 says...

Sussex jim wrote:
downfader wrote:
Anyone who complains about the 20mph limits should

a) declare their mileage (if you're driving when there are other options then that makes you a whinger, long distance means more than 30 miles a day)

b) whether you're able bodied (nobody is going to dispute disabled access to the road)

c) if you work with tools, heavy loads, etc (actually the difference in journey times is little as these people will mostly be using the motorways etc)
It would be more sensible for tradesmen to be able to park their van containing tools and materials where they are working, for as long as necessary, and take priority over people who dump their personal chariot in the street all day while they work in an office or shop.
And what exactly is wrong about parking a car in a street all day as a commuter? Seems you have an issue with it. Are you one of those people that dont like other cars parked outside your house? Well sorry Jack, it's perfectly legal thanks. I have road tax and MOT and insurance and I will park where and when I darn well please thankyou very much.
[quote][p][bold]Sussex jim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: Anyone who complains about the 20mph limits should a) declare their mileage (if you're driving when there are other options then that makes you a whinger, long distance means more than 30 miles a day) b) whether you're able bodied (nobody is going to dispute disabled access to the road) c) if you work with tools, heavy loads, etc (actually the difference in journey times is little as these people will mostly be using the motorways etc)[/p][/quote]It would be more sensible for tradesmen to be able to park their van containing tools and materials where they are working, for as long as necessary, and take priority over people who dump their personal chariot in the street all day while they work in an office or shop.[/p][/quote]And what exactly is wrong about parking a car in a street all day as a commuter? Seems you have an issue with it. Are you one of those people that dont like other cars parked outside your house? Well sorry Jack, it's perfectly legal thanks. I have road tax and MOT and insurance and I will park where and when I darn well please thankyou very much. Hoarder12345444
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10:03am Wed 16 Jan 13

JX3Brighton says...

This is quoted on BBC News. "Jon Smith, a taxi driver and a GMB union representative, said: "Taxi drivers in general will be disadvantaged in the length of time it's going to take them to complete the jobs and get back into the city centre to take the next fare."

In my experience, taxi drivers pay little or no regard to any rules of the road so don't see this impacting them at all.
This is quoted on BBC News. "Jon Smith, a taxi driver and a GMB union representative, said: "Taxi drivers in general will be disadvantaged in the length of time it's going to take them to complete the jobs and get back into the city centre to take the next fare." In my experience, taxi drivers pay little or no regard to any rules of the road so don't see this impacting them at all. JX3Brighton
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10:08am Wed 16 Jan 13

hubby says...

What a great idea!
This will save lives and the planet.
What a great idea! This will save lives and the planet. hubby
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10:09am Wed 16 Jan 13

BiggerH says...

I suppose that even if this new limit isn't enforced, if a driver causes an accident, and it transpires he was doing 30mph instead of 20mph, then he's going to be in more trouble?
I suppose that even if this new limit isn't enforced, if a driver causes an accident, and it transpires he was doing 30mph instead of 20mph, then he's going to be in more trouble? BiggerH
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10:31am Wed 16 Jan 13

comanche762 says...

when when when is the elections i've never been interested in politics or the like but since these tree huggers have come in my levels of interest has sky rocketed , what a bunch of lets spend a fortune on useless cyclelanes that nobody uses self indulgent morons
when when when is the elections i've never been interested in politics or the like but since these tree huggers have come in my levels of interest has sky rocketed , what a bunch of lets spend a fortune on useless cyclelanes that nobody uses self indulgent morons comanche762
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10:39am Wed 16 Jan 13

Automaton says...

And our fuel economy will increase at lower speed.
Www.fueleconomy.gov

So more petrol used. Very greem
And our fuel economy will increase at lower speed. Www.fueleconomy.gov So more petrol used. Very greem Automaton
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10:40am Wed 16 Jan 13

Automaton says...

And our fuel economy will increase at lower speed.
Www.fueleconomy.gov

So more petrol used. Very green
And our fuel economy will increase at lower speed. Www.fueleconomy.gov So more petrol used. Very green Automaton
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10:47am Wed 16 Jan 13

Tallywhacker says...

So what have we all learnt from this exercise. I've discovered that even if the limit was raised up to 60 a large part of the community will insist on going 70. A large part of Brighton seem to think that driving here is the same as driving in Cairo with non stop (or should that be non start) traffic jams everywhere at all times of the day. I'm more bothered about the money that is going to be wasted implementing this. The council bleats on about government cuts then pops out 1.5 mil (all those who think this is an accurate estimate raise your hands) hands) on a policy that cannot be enforced. Take the long view. Every road improvement by the council from the coast road bus route to every junction and cycle route upgrade etc has resulted in more congestion more pollution slower traffic. Every single decision by the council road group has made things worse, not one made anything better. They all seem to lead on into just one single policy for the future. Now not trying to sound cynical but I can see on the horizon a policy....a good and green policy....a policy that will cut road use and raise funds..lots of funds. TA DA, introducing,coming soon to all the roads near you. Congestion charging.
So what have we all learnt from this exercise. I've discovered that even if the limit was raised up to 60 a large part of the community will insist on going 70. A large part of Brighton seem to think that driving here is the same as driving in Cairo with non stop (or should that be non start) traffic jams everywhere at all times of the day. I'm more bothered about the money that is going to be wasted implementing this. The council bleats on about government cuts then pops out 1.5 mil (all those who think this is an accurate estimate raise your hands) hands) on a policy that cannot be enforced. Take the long view. Every road improvement by the council from the coast road bus route to every junction and cycle route upgrade etc has resulted in more congestion more pollution slower traffic. Every single decision by the council road group has made things worse, not one made anything better. They all seem to lead on into just one single policy for the future. Now not trying to sound cynical but I can see on the horizon a policy....a good and green policy....a policy that will cut road use and raise funds..lots of funds. TA DA, introducing,coming soon to all the roads near you. Congestion charging. Tallywhacker
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10:50am Wed 16 Jan 13

thevoiceoftruth says...

comanche762 wrote:
when when when is the elections i've never been interested in politics or the like but since these tree huggers have come in my levels of interest has sky rocketed , what a bunch of lets spend a fortune on useless cyclelanes that nobody uses self indulgent morons
I think we are stuck with them until 2014, when they will vanish in a green puff of smoke.
[quote][p][bold]comanche762[/bold] wrote: when when when is the elections i've never been interested in politics or the like but since these tree huggers have come in my levels of interest has sky rocketed , what a bunch of lets spend a fortune on useless cyclelanes that nobody uses self indulgent morons[/p][/quote]I think we are stuck with them until 2014, when they will vanish in a green puff of smoke. thevoiceoftruth
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10:52am Wed 16 Jan 13

funkyyoyo says...

er someone hasnt done there homework correctly,driving at 20 mph produces more pollution than at 30 mph!! fact!! ooooops!!!!
er someone hasnt done there homework correctly,driving at 20 mph produces more pollution than at 30 mph!! fact!! ooooops!!!! funkyyoyo
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10:53am Wed 16 Jan 13

dickkieboy says...

Whitehawk to Mileoak is about 7 miles.
Using the formula we all used at school Time=Distance÷Speed
At the current speed limit of 30mph it will take you 14mins. At 20mph it will take you 21mins. That is only an increase of 7mins.
I know thease times don't take into consideration, traffic, traffic lights ect. But it just highlights the fact that even if you drove the width of Brighton at the new 20mph you'd probably only add 10mins to your journey and what's 10mins matter when instead of hitting that person an killing them they go to hospital instead.
Whitehawk to Mileoak is about 7 miles. Using the formula we all used at school Time=Distance÷Speed At the current speed limit of 30mph it will take you 14mins. At 20mph it will take you 21mins. That is only an increase of 7mins. I know thease times don't take into consideration, traffic, traffic lights ect. But it just highlights the fact that even if you drove the width of Brighton at the new 20mph you'd probably only add 10mins to your journey and what's 10mins matter when instead of hitting that person an killing them they go to hospital instead. dickkieboy
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10:56am Wed 16 Jan 13

funkyyoyo says...

Fight_Back wrote:
Totally unenforceable so I'll be ignoring it and driving at 30 thank you.
if its unenforceable it sounds like kitcrap is misleading the public( possible misconduct in public office,arrest him at once)
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: Totally unenforceable so I'll be ignoring it and driving at 30 thank you.[/p][/quote]if its unenforceable it sounds like kitcrap is misleading the public( possible misconduct in public office,arrest him at once) funkyyoyo
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11:04am Wed 16 Jan 13

Crystal Ball says...

This will all end in tears.
This will all end in tears. Crystal Ball
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11:04am Wed 16 Jan 13

Phani Tikkala says...

Automaton wrote:
And our fuel economy will increase at lower speed.
Www.fueleconomy.gov

So more petrol used. Very greem
Cobblers

First, you're using US stats, and everyone knows that they drive far bigger gas guzzlers over there.

Second, you've been economical with the truth. Here are 2 more excerpts from that website:

Idling can use a quarter to a half gallon of fuel per hour, depending on engine size and air conditioner (AC) use.

..so sitting in queues moving slowly is LESS economic (or green)

Plus it goes on to say that the higher the gear you use the more economic it is. Try driving round in 4th gear at 20mph.
[quote][p][bold]Automaton[/bold] wrote: And our fuel economy will increase at lower speed. Www.fueleconomy.gov So more petrol used. Very greem[/p][/quote]Cobblers First, you're using US stats, and everyone knows that they drive far bigger gas guzzlers over there. Second, you've been economical with the truth. Here are 2 more excerpts from that website: Idling can use a quarter to a half gallon of fuel per hour, depending on engine size and air conditioner (AC) use. ..so sitting in queues moving slowly is LESS economic (or green) Plus it goes on to say that the higher the gear you use the more economic it is. Try driving round in 4th gear at 20mph. Phani Tikkala
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11:54am Wed 16 Jan 13

Fairfax Sakes says...

I was staying at a hotel once and asked the receptionist to call me a taxi.

"Ok sir, you are a Taxi", she replied.
I was staying at a hotel once and asked the receptionist to call me a taxi. "Ok sir, you are a Taxi", she replied. Fairfax Sakes
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11:55am Wed 16 Jan 13

aat99 says...

sussexguy wrote:
iloveworthing wrote: I think this is great. So many other places in the UK have introduced 20mph limits on residential roads to make things safer for pedestrians, cyclists, children and older people. I visit Brighton a lot (generally train and on foot) and the reduced limits will certainly make me feel safer crossing roads with my children, as well as walking along narrow pavements without the fear of speeding traffic.
Well, maybe you should be using the proper pedestrian crossings when taking your children across the road, as well as avoiding walking in the road when going along narrow pavements. All over Brighton and Hove I see pedestrians stepping out into the traffic, in order to avoid walking to the nearest crossing or waiting patiently at traffic lights. Meanwhile I have yet to see the traffic slowing down to 20 mph in areas of Hove where that has become the legal limit.
There is little point in using the pedestrian crossings on Portland Road as drivers just ignore them and speed through at 30+ mph
[quote][p][bold]sussexguy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]iloveworthing[/bold] wrote: I think this is great. So many other places in the UK have introduced 20mph limits on residential roads to make things safer for pedestrians, cyclists, children and older people. I visit Brighton a lot (generally train and on foot) and the reduced limits will certainly make me feel safer crossing roads with my children, as well as walking along narrow pavements without the fear of speeding traffic.[/p][/quote]Well, maybe you should be using the proper pedestrian crossings when taking your children across the road, as well as avoiding walking in the road when going along narrow pavements. All over Brighton and Hove I see pedestrians stepping out into the traffic, in order to avoid walking to the nearest crossing or waiting patiently at traffic lights. Meanwhile I have yet to see the traffic slowing down to 20 mph in areas of Hove where that has become the legal limit.[/p][/quote]There is little point in using the pedestrian crossings on Portland Road as drivers just ignore them and speed through at 30+ mph aat99
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11:58am Wed 16 Jan 13

saveHOVE says...

I attended the Transport Committee meeting where this decision was blithely taken by the Greens with no concern for buses or taxis on big main roads (both the Tories and Labour wanted them to remain 30mph).

Told my taxi driver going home about it and his instant comment was about all the complaints about driving too slowly that late night drunks fire his way NOW.

The taxi trade are not very effective in making their case to BHCC in my experience and they have to put that house in order. The owners of the firms are not looking after their drivers in my opinion - at all.

And the Greens are in thrall to the council officers who may or may not always be as effective as might be necessary.

The officers are implementing Green policy requirements and there is a question in my mind about whether the Greens over-ride good advice or never actually get good enough advice.
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I attended the Transport Committee meeting where this decision was blithely taken by the Greens with no concern for buses or taxis on big main roads (both the Tories and Labour wanted them to remain 30mph). Told my taxi driver going home about it and his instant comment was about all the complaints about driving too slowly that late night drunks fire his way NOW. The taxi trade are not very effective in making their case to BHCC in my experience and they have to put that house in order. The owners of the firms are not looking after their drivers in my opinion - at all. And the Greens are in thrall to the council officers who may or may not always be as effective as might be necessary. The officers are implementing Green policy requirements and there is a question in my mind about whether the Greens over-ride good advice or never actually get good enough advice. . saveHOVE
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12:00pm Wed 16 Jan 13

comanche762 says...

doggle wrote:
Lovin' all the ranters out in force on this one, bless you all for giving me a good giggle as you vent your spleen :-)

As for still doing 30mph as you're so blase about the danger of motor vehicles 'cos you're alright Jack and **** the rest, you won't if you're behind me, 19mph it is!

Glad someone is standing up to the motoring lobby, it's about time :-)
no ill be in front of u whizzing off into the distance for about 10 secs then stopped again at some pointless ped crossing or trying not to knock down some law abiding cyclist , oh no i wont cos they'll have skipped the red light then off agin merrily at 30 mph for another 10 secs happy in the knowledge that my gas guzzler is pumping my fumes all over you
[quote][p][bold]doggle[/bold] wrote: Lovin' all the ranters out in force on this one, bless you all for giving me a good giggle as you vent your spleen :-) As for still doing 30mph as you're so blase about the danger of motor vehicles 'cos you're alright Jack and **** the rest, you won't if you're behind me, 19mph it is! Glad someone is standing up to the motoring lobby, it's about time :-)[/p][/quote]no ill be in front of u whizzing off into the distance for about 10 secs then stopped again at some pointless ped crossing or trying not to knock down some law abiding cyclist , oh no i wont cos they'll have skipped the red light then off agin merrily at 30 mph for another 10 secs happy in the knowledge that my gas guzzler is pumping my fumes all over you comanche762
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12:04pm Wed 16 Jan 13

saveHOVE says...

Cllr Janio made a good point at Transport Commitee about the cost to the bus companies of taking longer for each start to finish route journey. It would mean making fewer runs in the day or having to add extra buses.

Will this mean higher bus fares?
Cllr Janio made a good point at Transport Commitee about the cost to the bus companies of taking longer for each start to finish route journey. It would mean making fewer runs in the day or having to add extra buses. Will this mean higher bus fares? saveHOVE
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12:36pm Wed 16 Jan 13

gheese77 says...

gusset snatcher wrote:
I don't know why the greens don't just ban cars from the town...... end of..... they are oblivious to the fact that there will always be cars.... even green cars..... when are they going to realise that
Banning cars from town centre would be a good idea - lookk at old photos of the town - it looks a much more pleasant place. Also there is no such thing as a green car, just some cars are less harmful to the environment per distance travelled than others.
[quote][p][bold]gusset snatcher[/bold] wrote: I don't know why the greens don't just ban cars from the town...... end of..... they are oblivious to the fact that there will always be cars.... even green cars..... when are they going to realise that[/p][/quote]Banning cars from town centre would be a good idea - lookk at old photos of the town - it looks a much more pleasant place. Also there is no such thing as a green car, just some cars are less harmful to the environment per distance travelled than others. gheese77
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12:38pm Wed 16 Jan 13

gheese77 says...

ruberducker wrote:
the police refuse to enforce it:SO UP YOURS KITCRAP. cant wait for the next election.
Dont count on it - if you have an accident and you were over the speed limit - you will be in more trouble
[quote][p][bold]ruberducker[/bold] wrote: the police refuse to enforce it:SO UP YOURS KITCRAP. cant wait for the next election.[/p][/quote]Dont count on it - if you have an accident and you were over the speed limit - you will be in more trouble gheese77
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1:11pm Wed 16 Jan 13

ruberducker says...

gheese77 wrote:
ruberducker wrote:
the police refuse to enforce it:SO UP YOURS KITCRAP. cant wait for the next election.
Dont count on it - if you have an accident and you were over the speed limit - you will be in more trouble
i did not mean i would be going faster than the limit i ment it as up yours kitkat in a general sence..another waste of money and the rozzers dont care,why should they---just lost 4 grand off the start salaries.
[quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ruberducker[/bold] wrote: the police refuse to enforce it:SO UP YOURS KITCRAP. cant wait for the next election.[/p][/quote]Dont count on it - if you have an accident and you were over the speed limit - you will be in more trouble[/p][/quote]i did not mean i would be going faster than the limit i ment it as up yours kitkat in a general sence..another waste of money and the rozzers dont care,why should they---just lost 4 grand off the start salaries. ruberducker
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1:55pm Wed 16 Jan 13

PJW Brighton says...

Why all the comments about Greens on here? This proposal was volted for by Councillors from all three parties on the Transport Committee, and is being implemented by Councils all over the country lead by different parties; indeed all over the world. Why? because it brings better quality of life for communities.
Why all the comments about Greens on here? This proposal was volted for by Councillors from all three parties on the Transport Committee, and is being implemented by Councils all over the country lead by different parties; indeed all over the world. Why? because it brings better quality of life for communities. PJW Brighton
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3:02pm Wed 16 Jan 13

Automaton says...

Phani Tikkala wrote:
Automaton wrote:
And our fuel economy will increase at lower speed.
Www.fueleconomy.gov

So more petrol used. Very greem
Cobblers

First, you're using US stats, and everyone knows that they drive far bigger gas guzzlers over there.

Second, you've been economical with the truth. Here are 2 more excerpts from that website:

Idling can use a quarter to a half gallon of fuel per hour, depending on engine size and air conditioner (AC) use.

..so sitting in queues moving slowly is LESS economic (or green)

Plus it goes on to say that the higher the gear you use the more economic it is. Try driving round in 4th gear at 20mph.
Can you explain why we will be sitting in queues less if there are the same number of cars. Isn't this what is going to happen more in Lewes road!



Only have a problem with 20 mph on major roads
[quote][p][bold]Phani Tikkala[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Automaton[/bold] wrote: And our fuel economy will increase at lower speed. Www.fueleconomy.gov So more petrol used. Very greem[/p][/quote]Cobblers First, you're using US stats, and everyone knows that they drive far bigger gas guzzlers over there. Second, you've been economical with the truth. Here are 2 more excerpts from that website: Idling can use a quarter to a half gallon of fuel per hour, depending on engine size and air conditioner (AC) use. ..so sitting in queues moving slowly is LESS economic (or green) Plus it goes on to say that the higher the gear you use the more economic it is. Try driving round in 4th gear at 20mph.[/p][/quote]Can you explain why we will be sitting in queues less if there are the same number of cars. Isn't this what is going to happen more in Lewes road! Only have a problem with 20 mph on major roads Automaton
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3:08pm Wed 16 Jan 13

Automaton says...

Phani Tikkala wrote:
Automaton wrote:
And our fuel economy will increase at lower speed.
Www.fueleconomy.gov

So more petrol used. Very greem
Cobblers

First, you're using US stats, and everyone knows that they drive far bigger gas guzzlers over there.

Second, you've been economical with the truth. Here are 2 more excerpts from that website:

Idling can use a quarter to a half gallon of fuel per hour, depending on engine size and air conditioner (AC) use.

..so sitting in queues moving slowly is LESS economic (or green)

Plus it goes on to say that the higher the gear you use the more economic it is. Try driving round in 4th gear at 20mph.
Ok they may use bigger gas guzzlers there bit there is still a correlation between emissions and speed and fuel usage and speed. I don't think this is dependent upon the amount of gas used. It just shows more fuel is used at 20mph whatever your engine size.
Where are the stats to show this is dependent on the mpg your car does.
[quote][p][bold]Phani Tikkala[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Automaton[/bold] wrote: And our fuel economy will increase at lower speed. Www.fueleconomy.gov So more petrol used. Very greem[/p][/quote]Cobblers First, you're using US stats, and everyone knows that they drive far bigger gas guzzlers over there. Second, you've been economical with the truth. Here are 2 more excerpts from that website: Idling can use a quarter to a half gallon of fuel per hour, depending on engine size and air conditioner (AC) use. ..so sitting in queues moving slowly is LESS economic (or green) Plus it goes on to say that the higher the gear you use the more economic it is. Try driving round in 4th gear at 20mph.[/p][/quote]Ok they may use bigger gas guzzlers there bit there is still a correlation between emissions and speed and fuel usage and speed. I don't think this is dependent upon the amount of gas used. It just shows more fuel is used at 20mph whatever your engine size. Where are the stats to show this is dependent on the mpg your car does. Automaton
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4:56pm Wed 16 Jan 13

gusset snatcher says...

gheese77 wrote:
gusset snatcher wrote:
I don't know why the greens don't just ban cars from the town...... end of..... they are oblivious to the fact that there will always be cars.... even green cars..... when are they going to realise that
Banning cars from town centre would be a good idea - lookk at old photos of the town - it looks a much more pleasant place. Also there is no such thing as a green car, just some cars are less harmful to the environment per distance travelled than others.
When was that then? In the days of the workhouse and convicts were still being transported to Australia and negro slaves still picked cotton in the USA...... idiot
[quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gusset snatcher[/bold] wrote: I don't know why the greens don't just ban cars from the town...... end of..... they are oblivious to the fact that there will always be cars.... even green cars..... when are they going to realise that[/p][/quote]Banning cars from town centre would be a good idea - lookk at old photos of the town - it looks a much more pleasant place. Also there is no such thing as a green car, just some cars are less harmful to the environment per distance travelled than others.[/p][/quote]When was that then? In the days of the workhouse and convicts were still being transported to Australia and negro slaves still picked cotton in the USA...... idiot gusset snatcher
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5:07pm Wed 16 Jan 13

upsidedowntuctuc says...

Automaton wrote:
Phani Tikkala wrote:
Automaton wrote:
And our fuel economy will increase at lower speed.
Www.fueleconomy.gov

So more petrol used. Very greem
Cobblers

First, you're using US stats, and everyone knows that they drive far bigger gas guzzlers over there.

Second, you've been economical with the truth. Here are 2 more excerpts from that website:

Idling can use a quarter to a half gallon of fuel per hour, depending on engine size and air conditioner (AC) use.

..so sitting in queues moving slowly is LESS economic (or green)

Plus it goes on to say that the higher the gear you use the more economic it is. Try driving round in 4th gear at 20mph.
Can you explain why we will be sitting in queues less if there are the same number of cars. Isn't this what is going to happen more in Lewes road!



Only have a problem with 20 mph on major roads
"Can you explain why we will be sitting in queues less if there are the same number of cars. Isn't this what is going to happen more in Lewes road!"
Spot on !!
It will take 33% longer to get out of the City in rush hour so more cars will join back of queues.
To the poster who said it was only 7 minutes longer for a 7 mile journey that is 14 minutes a day and if done 5 times a week that's 1 hour 10 minutes multiply by 48 weeks a year to allow for holidays makes 56 hours a year which is 2 days 8 hours a year extra time and pollution!
Green???????? Behind the ears for certain ...
[quote][p][bold]Automaton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phani Tikkala[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Automaton[/bold] wrote: And our fuel economy will increase at lower speed. Www.fueleconomy.gov So more petrol used. Very greem[/p][/quote]Cobblers First, you're using US stats, and everyone knows that they drive far bigger gas guzzlers over there. Second, you've been economical with the truth. Here are 2 more excerpts from that website: Idling can use a quarter to a half gallon of fuel per hour, depending on engine size and air conditioner (AC) use. ..so sitting in queues moving slowly is LESS economic (or green) Plus it goes on to say that the higher the gear you use the more economic it is. Try driving round in 4th gear at 20mph.[/p][/quote]Can you explain why we will be sitting in queues less if there are the same number of cars. Isn't this what is going to happen more in Lewes road! Only have a problem with 20 mph on major roads[/p][/quote]"Can you explain why we will be sitting in queues less if there are the same number of cars. Isn't this what is going to happen more in Lewes road!" Spot on !! It will take 33% longer to get out of the City in rush hour so more cars will join back of queues. To the poster who said it was only 7 minutes longer for a 7 mile journey that is 14 minutes a day and if done 5 times a week that's 1 hour 10 minutes multiply by 48 weeks a year to allow for holidays makes 56 hours a year which is 2 days 8 hours a year extra time and pollution! Green???????? Behind the ears for certain ... upsidedowntuctuc
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5:12pm Wed 16 Jan 13

Old Ladys Gin says...

gheese77 wrote:
gusset snatcher wrote:
I don't know why the greens don't just ban cars from the town...... end of..... they are oblivious to the fact that there will always be cars.... even green cars..... when are they going to realise that
Banning cars from town centre would be a good idea - lookk at old photos of the town - it looks a much more pleasant place. Also there is no such thing as a green car, just some cars are less harmful to the environment per distance travelled than others.
No cars but hundreds of carts and thousands of horses; all of the latter chucking out an awful lot of greenhouse gasses.
In those good old days 30 years ago; the days when everyone left their doors unlocked but many adults and children went about armed we killed ten times as many people on the roads as now and 1,500 were children.
Put into the equation those that died of diseases and illnesses easily treated nowadays (In the 1950s it is estimated between 10 and 15 percent of the population was suffering from actual or the symptoms of syphilis) and beware of what you wish for as far as returning to the past is concerned.
[quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gusset snatcher[/bold] wrote: I don't know why the greens don't just ban cars from the town...... end of..... they are oblivious to the fact that there will always be cars.... even green cars..... when are they going to realise that[/p][/quote]Banning cars from town centre would be a good idea - lookk at old photos of the town - it looks a much more pleasant place. Also there is no such thing as a green car, just some cars are less harmful to the environment per distance travelled than others.[/p][/quote]No cars but hundreds of carts and thousands of horses; all of the latter chucking out an awful lot of greenhouse gasses. In those good old days 30 years ago; the days when everyone left their doors unlocked but many adults and children went about armed we killed ten times as many people on the roads as now and 1,500 were children. Put into the equation those that died of diseases and illnesses easily treated nowadays (In the 1950s it is estimated between 10 and 15 percent of the population was suffering from actual or the symptoms of syphilis) and beware of what you wish for as far as returning to the past is concerned. Old Ladys Gin
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5:15pm Wed 16 Jan 13

upsidedowntuctuc says...

PJW Brighton wrote:
Why all the comments about Greens on here? This proposal was volted for by Councillors from all three parties on the Transport Committee, and is being implemented by Councils all over the country lead by different parties; indeed all over the world. Why? because it brings better quality of life for communities.
Greens voted it through and lied repeatedly to try and justify it..The other parties backed deferring it to re look at the case for the main bus routes being excluded or included.
Commissar Davey used his Proxy to defeat that.!
The Chinese would blush at it.
The spin from Comrade West even Max Clifford would find unpalatable.
[quote][p][bold]PJW Brighton[/bold] wrote: Why all the comments about Greens on here? This proposal was volted for by Councillors from all three parties on the Transport Committee, and is being implemented by Councils all over the country lead by different parties; indeed all over the world. Why? because it brings better quality of life for communities.[/p][/quote]Greens voted it through and lied repeatedly to try and justify it..The other parties backed deferring it to re look at the case for the main bus routes being excluded or included. Commissar Davey used his Proxy to defeat that.! The Chinese would blush at it. The spin from Comrade West even Max Clifford would find unpalatable. upsidedowntuctuc
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5:56pm Wed 16 Jan 13

Fleapit says...

As a local police officer I am left scratching my head at this news! the widespread cuts to the police have impacted our local policing and despite what any politician, crime commissioner,chief constable or any person might say or spin to the media there are less of us to deal with an increasing workload and with morale at rock bottom, apathy setting in and a widespread lack of motivation or any prospect of promotion I do wonder who is expected to police this? it won't be me or my colleagues, often we can barely cover responding to emergency calls and non emergency calls can sit for hours waiting to be resourced. I regularly have to ignore cyclists and motorists committing traffic offences because I have something more pressing to attend to and this is fairly common amongst my colleagues, this speed limit is an expensive white elephant. we may put out a few traffic officers for a day to make a few headlines but that'll be it.
As a local police officer I am left scratching my head at this news! the widespread cuts to the police have impacted our local policing and despite what any politician, crime commissioner,chief constable or any person might say or spin to the media there are less of us to deal with an increasing workload and with morale at rock bottom, apathy setting in and a widespread lack of motivation or any prospect of promotion I do wonder who is expected to police this? it won't be me or my colleagues, often we can barely cover responding to emergency calls and non emergency calls can sit for hours waiting to be resourced. I regularly have to ignore cyclists and motorists committing traffic offences because I have something more pressing to attend to and this is fairly common amongst my colleagues, this speed limit is an expensive white elephant. we may put out a few traffic officers for a day to make a few headlines but that'll be it. Fleapit
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5:59pm Wed 16 Jan 13

Fleapit says...

As a local police officer I am left scratching my head at this news! the widespread cuts to the police have impacted our local policing and despite what any politician, crime commissioner,chief constable or any person might say or spin to the media there are less of us to deal with an increasing workload and with morale at rock bottom, apathy setting in and a widespread lack of motivation or any prospect of promotion I do wonder who is expected to police this? it won't be me or my colleagues, often we can barely cover responding to emergency calls and non emergency calls can sit for hours waiting to be resourced. I regularly have to ignore cyclists and motorists committing traffic offences because I have something more pressing to attend to and this is fairly common amongst my colleagues, this speed limit is an expensive white elephant. we may put out a few traffic officers for a day to make a few headlines but that'll be it.
As a local police officer I am left scratching my head at this news! the widespread cuts to the police have impacted our local policing and despite what any politician, crime commissioner,chief constable or any person might say or spin to the media there are less of us to deal with an increasing workload and with morale at rock bottom, apathy setting in and a widespread lack of motivation or any prospect of promotion I do wonder who is expected to police this? it won't be me or my colleagues, often we can barely cover responding to emergency calls and non emergency calls can sit for hours waiting to be resourced. I regularly have to ignore cyclists and motorists committing traffic offences because I have something more pressing to attend to and this is fairly common amongst my colleagues, this speed limit is an expensive white elephant. we may put out a few traffic officers for a day to make a few headlines but that'll be it. Fleapit
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6:34pm Wed 16 Jan 13

D5 says...

Quite funny how the majority here seem to be the white male, probably into football, definatley into the "send em all back if i was in power" mentality.

What a bunch of overweight,boorish popinjays.
Quite funny how the majority here seem to be the white male, probably into football, definatley into the "send em all back if i was in power" mentality. What a bunch of overweight,boorish popinjays. D5
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6:34pm Wed 16 Jan 13

sussexguy says...

How many more expensive crackpot ideas will be getting from the arrogant and misguided Greens, before they are finally ousted? Voters in other cities and towns should take note of the chaos they are causing in Brighton and Hove, so that they do not allow such idiots to gain control, as is happening here.
How many more expensive crackpot ideas will be getting from the arrogant and misguided Greens, before they are finally ousted? Voters in other cities and towns should take note of the chaos they are causing in Brighton and Hove, so that they do not allow such idiots to gain control, as is happening here. sussexguy
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6:42pm Wed 16 Jan 13

D5 says...

upsidedowntuctuc wrote:
Automaton wrote:
Phani Tikkala wrote:
Automaton wrote:
And our fuel economy will increase at lower speed.
Www.fueleconomy.gov

So more petrol used. Very greem
Cobblers

First, you're using US stats, and everyone knows that they drive far bigger gas guzzlers over there.

Second, you've been economical with the truth. Here are 2 more excerpts from that website:

Idling can use a quarter to a half gallon of fuel per hour, depending on engine size and air conditioner (AC) use.

..so sitting in queues moving slowly is LESS economic (or green)

Plus it goes on to say that the higher the gear you use the more economic it is. Try driving round in 4th gear at 20mph.
Can you explain why we will be sitting in queues less if there are the same number of cars. Isn't this what is going to happen more in Lewes road!



Only have a problem with 20 mph on major roads
"Can you explain why we will be sitting in queues less if there are the same number of cars. Isn't this what is going to happen more in Lewes road!"
Spot on !!
It will take 33% longer to get out of the City in rush hour so more cars will join back of queues.
To the poster who said it was only 7 minutes longer for a 7 mile journey that is 14 minutes a day and if done 5 times a week that's 1 hour 10 minutes multiply by 48 weeks a year to allow for holidays makes 56 hours a year which is 2 days 8 hours a year extra time and pollution!
Green???????? Behind the ears for certain ...
I will answer your question.
The majority using the roads into Brighton are indeed workers in the city making very small journeys.
The nurses, the police officers,the solicitors etc etc -they do not need to. bus/train/walk/cycle - easy.

If they used public transport -including cabbies, then the trades,en and the delivery guys and all the other guys out there providing services there wouldnt be as much congestion.

Also -the lewes rd bus lane will be fine if you use the bus -let everybody else queue in the long lane of other cars -maybe then they will use the bus -like happened on the coast road where bus usage has soared.

Funny how people always criticise the bus companies for taking payment yet never seem to mind being fleeced by the oil companies,the insurance companies,thetax etc etc for a motor car which they then insist on driving slowly in because everyone else is.

bizare.

Me? I cycle whenever i can. Get the bus/train/taxi and walk..
[quote][p][bold]upsidedowntuctuc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Automaton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phani Tikkala[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Automaton[/bold] wrote: And our fuel economy will increase at lower speed. Www.fueleconomy.gov So more petrol used. Very greem[/p][/quote]Cobblers First, you're using US stats, and everyone knows that they drive far bigger gas guzzlers over there. Second, you've been economical with the truth. Here are 2 more excerpts from that website: Idling can use a quarter to a half gallon of fuel per hour, depending on engine size and air conditioner (AC) use. ..so sitting in queues moving slowly is LESS economic (or green) Plus it goes on to say that the higher the gear you use the more economic it is. Try driving round in 4th gear at 20mph.[/p][/quote]Can you explain why we will be sitting in queues less if there are the same number of cars. Isn't this what is going to happen more in Lewes road! Only have a problem with 20 mph on major roads[/p][/quote]"Can you explain why we will be sitting in queues less if there are the same number of cars. Isn't this what is going to happen more in Lewes road!" Spot on !! It will take 33% longer to get out of the City in rush hour so more cars will join back of queues. To the poster who said it was only 7 minutes longer for a 7 mile journey that is 14 minutes a day and if done 5 times a week that's 1 hour 10 minutes multiply by 48 weeks a year to allow for holidays makes 56 hours a year which is 2 days 8 hours a year extra time and pollution! Green???????? Behind the ears for certain ...[/p][/quote]I will answer your question. The majority using the roads into Brighton are indeed workers in the city making very small journeys. The nurses, the police officers,the solicitors etc etc -they do not need to. bus/train/walk/cycle - easy. If they used public transport -including cabbies, then the trades,en and the delivery guys and all the other guys out there providing services there wouldnt be as much congestion. Also -the lewes rd bus lane will be fine if you use the bus -let everybody else queue in the long lane of other cars -maybe then they will use the bus -like happened on the coast road where bus usage has soared. Funny how people always criticise the bus companies for taking payment yet never seem to mind being fleeced by the oil companies,the insurance companies,thetax etc etc for a motor car which they then insist on driving slowly in because everyone else is. bizare. Me? I cycle whenever i can. Get the bus/train/taxi and walk.. D5
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6:57pm Wed 16 Jan 13

nocando says...

saveHOVE wrote:
Cllr Janio made a good point at Transport Commitee about the cost to the bus companies of taking longer for each start to finish route journey. It would mean making fewer runs in the day or having to add extra buses.

Will this mean higher bus fares?
Yes of course. Whether or not they need to cover extra costs will be irrelevant, any old excuse will do because some people have no alternative but to cough up.
We all need deep pockets where these greens are concerned, evrything they touch costs us an arm and a leg. Great isn't it.
[quote][p][bold]saveHOVE[/bold] wrote: Cllr Janio made a good point at Transport Commitee about the cost to the bus companies of taking longer for each start to finish route journey. It would mean making fewer runs in the day or having to add extra buses. Will this mean higher bus fares?[/p][/quote]Yes of course. Whether or not they need to cover extra costs will be irrelevant, any old excuse will do because some people have no alternative but to cough up. We all need deep pockets where these greens are concerned, evrything they touch costs us an arm and a leg. Great isn't it. nocando
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8:37pm Wed 16 Jan 13

ghost bus driver says...

falmer seagull wrote:
Nobody denies that pedestrians would have a better survival rate if struck by car at 20mph. However, we are not told the statistics on fatalities on the inner Brighton roads! Most fatalities to my knowledge have been down to the two way bus lanes!
The police call that area The Killing Fields.
[quote][p][bold]falmer seagull[/bold] wrote: Nobody denies that pedestrians would have a better survival rate if struck by car at 20mph. However, we are not told the statistics on fatalities on the inner Brighton roads! Most fatalities to my knowledge have been down to the two way bus lanes![/p][/quote]The police call that area The Killing Fields. ghost bus driver
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8:59pm Wed 16 Jan 13

ghost bus driver says...

downfader wrote:
bus nut wrote:
So can someone tell me how the police will enforce the speed limit for cyclists as they speed down these roads faster than 20mph but have no Speedo so with that in mind they wouldn't even know they were speeding well done the greens maybe now the cyclists will finally make the government some money in fixed penalties lol rofl oh dear no body thought about that did they
IIRC the laws on speed are selective to "motorised vehicles" under the road traffic act for exactly the reason you note. Cycles dont have speedometers (you can buy them though, called odemeters or cycle computers)

Most cyclists dont go above 15mph
To be fair if you did want to go 20-30 on a bike you'd probably need one of the more expensive higher end ones unless you wanted to shake out your fillings...
[quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bus nut[/bold] wrote: So can someone tell me how the police will enforce the speed limit for cyclists as they speed down these roads faster than 20mph but have no Speedo so with that in mind they wouldn't even know they were speeding well done the greens maybe now the cyclists will finally make the government some money in fixed penalties lol rofl oh dear no body thought about that did they[/p][/quote]IIRC the laws on speed are selective to "motorised vehicles" under the road traffic act for exactly the reason you note. Cycles dont have speedometers (you can buy them though, called odemeters or cycle computers) Most cyclists dont go above 15mph[/p][/quote]To be fair if you did want to go 20-30 on a bike you'd probably need one of the more expensive higher end ones unless you wanted to shake out your fillings... ghost bus driver
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9:07pm Wed 16 Jan 13

Fleapit says...

ghost bus driver wrote:
falmer seagull wrote:
Nobody denies that pedestrians would have a better survival rate if struck by car at 20mph. However, we are not told the statistics on fatalities on the inner Brighton roads! Most fatalities to my knowledge have been down to the two way bus lanes!
The police call that area The Killing Fields.
No we don't?!
[quote][p][bold]ghost bus driver[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]falmer seagull[/bold] wrote: Nobody denies that pedestrians would have a better survival rate if struck by car at 20mph. However, we are not told the statistics on fatalities on the inner Brighton roads! Most fatalities to my knowledge have been down to the two way bus lanes![/p][/quote]The police call that area The Killing Fields.[/p][/quote]No we don't?! Fleapit
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9:16pm Wed 16 Jan 13

george smith says...

What we need is more road humps to finish our cars off
What we need is more road humps to finish our cars off george smith
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4:18am Thu 17 Jan 13

Michael Inkpin-Leissner says...

downfader wrote:
Michael Inkpin-Leissner wrote:
downfader wrote:
Michael Inkpin-Leissner wrote:
Thank you Greens, you added 30 min. for my way to work. Brilliant. Because thanks to you guys, the traffic jams will be longer and longer lasting.
You British Greens are a big embarrassment for all Green Parties in Europe. May I remind you, you are working for the people and not for ideology!
So if you're already in a traffic jam - how exactly will a 10mph drop in maximum speed limit affect non-moving traffic..?

Bizarre and ludicrous comment
Ever tried to make it out of Brighton in rush hour? I guess, the person who put that comment on my post is not in need to be urgent available. Otherwise I can't explain this not really thought threw comment by downfader. Thanks to the Greens, my costs for parking rose from 88 pounds a months to about 400. Thanks to the Greens, within half a year all major roads out of Brighton have road works going on, all at the very same time. I do not want to be part in some of the kindergarden discussions here. I want to make a point for citizens who have to commute out of Brighton.
Every city has this problem. Brighton is no exception.

If expediency was such an issue over long distance then why not invest in a motorbike?

Stop with the "poor little me" people, it does you no favours. Plenty of people cope without the car or find strategies with their employer to car share or get discount rail travel.
These problems were not there before the Greens took over.
That is a fact for my situation. And I am sure for a lot of others.
I am sure you can afford an extra 300-400 pounds a month. Normal people can not.
[quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Michael Inkpin-Leissner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Michael Inkpin-Leissner[/bold] wrote: Thank you Greens, you added 30 min. for my way to work. Brilliant. Because thanks to you guys, the traffic jams will be longer and longer lasting. You British Greens are a big embarrassment for all Green Parties in Europe. May I remind you, you are working for the people and not for ideology![/p][/quote]So if you're already in a traffic jam - how exactly will a 10mph drop in maximum speed limit affect non-moving traffic..? Bizarre and ludicrous comment[/p][/quote]Ever tried to make it out of Brighton in rush hour? I guess, the person who put that comment on my post is not in need to be urgent available. Otherwise I can't explain this not really thought threw comment by downfader. Thanks to the Greens, my costs for parking rose from 88 pounds a months to about 400. Thanks to the Greens, within half a year all major roads out of Brighton have road works going on, all at the very same time. I do not want to be part in some of the kindergarden discussions here. I want to make a point for citizens who have to commute out of Brighton.[/p][/quote]Every city has this problem. Brighton is no exception. If expediency was such an issue over long distance then why not invest in a motorbike? Stop with the "poor little me" people, it does you no favours. Plenty of people cope without the car or find strategies with their employer to car share or get discount rail travel.[/p][/quote]These problems were not there before the Greens took over. That is a fact for my situation. And I am sure for a lot of others. I am sure you can afford an extra 300-400 pounds a month. Normal people can not. Michael Inkpin-Leissner
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7:31am Thu 17 Jan 13

Automaton says...

D5 wrote:
upsidedowntuctuc wrote:
Automaton wrote:
Phani Tikkala wrote:
Automaton wrote:
And our fuel economy will increase at lower speed.
Www.fueleconomy.gov

So more petrol used. Very greem
Cobblers

First, you're using US stats, and everyone knows that they drive far bigger gas guzzlers over there.

Second, you've been economical with the truth. Here are 2 more excerpts from that website:

Idling can use a quarter to a half gallon of fuel per hour, depending on engine size and air conditioner (AC) use.

..so sitting in queues moving slowly is LESS economic (or green)

Plus it goes on to say that the higher the gear you use the more economic it is. Try driving round in 4th gear at 20mph.
Can you explain why we will be sitting in queues less if there are the same number of cars. Isn't this what is going to happen more in Lewes road!



Only have a problem with 20 mph on major roads
"Can you explain why we will be sitting in queues less if there are the same number of cars. Isn't this what is going to happen more in Lewes road!"
Spot on !!
It will take 33% longer to get out of the City in rush hour so more cars will join back of queues.
To the poster who said it was only 7 minutes longer for a 7 mile journey that is 14 minutes a day and if done 5 times a week that's 1 hour 10 minutes multiply by 48 weeks a year to allow for holidays makes 56 hours a year which is 2 days 8 hours a year extra time and pollution!
Green???????? Behind the ears for certain ...
I will answer your question.
The majority using the roads into Brighton are indeed workers in the city making very small journeys.
The nurses, the police officers,the solicitors etc etc -they do not need to. bus/train/walk/cycle - easy.

If they used public transport -including cabbies, then the trades,en and the delivery guys and all the other guys out there providing services there wouldnt be as much congestion.

Also -the lewes rd bus lane will be fine if you use the bus -let everybody else queue in the long lane of other cars -maybe then they will use the bus -like happened on the coast road where bus usage has soared.

Funny how people always criticise the bus companies for taking payment yet never seem to mind being fleeced by the oil companies,the insurance companies,thetax etc etc for a motor car which they then insist on driving slowly in because everyone else is.

bizare.

Me? I cycle whenever i can. Get the bus/train/taxi and walk..
Still dosent answer how 20 mph reduces congestion. You are just supposing that all people who drive short distances will suddenly change to using the bus. If this happens ( which it won't) then obviously congestion will reduce.
Surprisingly many people do not have the time to cycle , or the energy given the hilly nature of Brigton. And many people have to stop on their route eg to collect kids etc. bus fares are also too expensive.
Perhaps we could introduce a new law ie anybody driving less than 5 miles to work is banned from driving!
[quote][p][bold]D5[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]upsidedowntuctuc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Automaton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phani Tikkala[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Automaton[/bold] wrote: And our fuel economy will increase at lower speed. Www.fueleconomy.gov So more petrol used. Very greem[/p][/quote]Cobblers First, you're using US stats, and everyone knows that they drive far bigger gas guzzlers over there. Second, you've been economical with the truth. Here are 2 more excerpts from that website: Idling can use a quarter to a half gallon of fuel per hour, depending on engine size and air conditioner (AC) use. ..so sitting in queues moving slowly is LESS economic (or green) Plus it goes on to say that the higher the gear you use the more economic it is. Try driving round in 4th gear at 20mph.[/p][/quote]Can you explain why we will be sitting in queues less if there are the same number of cars. Isn't this what is going to happen more in Lewes road! Only have a problem with 20 mph on major roads[/p][/quote]"Can you explain why we will be sitting in queues less if there are the same number of cars. Isn't this what is going to happen more in Lewes road!" Spot on !! It will take 33% longer to get out of the City in rush hour so more cars will join back of queues. To the poster who said it was only 7 minutes longer for a 7 mile journey that is 14 minutes a day and if done 5 times a week that's 1 hour 10 minutes multiply by 48 weeks a year to allow for holidays makes 56 hours a year which is 2 days 8 hours a year extra time and pollution! Green???????? Behind the ears for certain ...[/p][/quote]I will answer your question. The majority using the roads into Brighton are indeed workers in the city making very small journeys. The nurses, the police officers,the solicitors etc etc -they do not need to. bus/train/walk/cycle - easy. If they used public transport -including cabbies, then the trades,en and the delivery guys and all the other guys out there providing services there wouldnt be as much congestion. Also -the lewes rd bus lane will be fine if you use the bus -let everybody else queue in the long lane of other cars -maybe then they will use the bus -like happened on the coast road where bus usage has soared. Funny how people always criticise the bus companies for taking payment yet never seem to mind being fleeced by the oil companies,the insurance companies,thetax etc etc for a motor car which they then insist on driving slowly in because everyone else is. bizare. Me? I cycle whenever i can. Get the bus/train/taxi and walk..[/p][/quote]Still dosent answer how 20 mph reduces congestion. You are just supposing that all people who drive short distances will suddenly change to using the bus. If this happens ( which it won't) then obviously congestion will reduce. Surprisingly many people do not have the time to cycle , or the energy given the hilly nature of Brigton. And many people have to stop on their route eg to collect kids etc. bus fares are also too expensive. Perhaps we could introduce a new law ie anybody driving less than 5 miles to work is banned from driving! Automaton
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11:01am Thu 17 Jan 13

Joshiman says...

Taxi drivers and car drivers.Waiting for the next stage of Mr.Kitkat's master plan.Cars will probably be banned from the pier to Sackville Rd to the old shoreham rd to London rd.Car free city.
The blame will be that cars being driven so slowly will be emitting more fumes and there will be a masive culture of compensation claims for chest infections etcccccccccccccccccc
Taxi drivers and car drivers.Waiting for the next stage of Mr.Kitkat's master plan.Cars will probably be banned from the pier to Sackville Rd to the old shoreham rd to London rd.Car free city. The blame will be that cars being driven so slowly will be emitting more fumes and there will be a masive culture of compensation claims for chest infections etcccccccccccccccccc Joshiman
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4:25pm Thu 17 Jan 13

Hove Actually says...

Just another reason to stay away from Brighton........
Just another reason to stay away from Brighton........ Hove Actually
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5:23pm Thu 17 Jan 13

timmys1981 says...

downfader wrote:
How does it lower emissions? It makes cycling and walking safer and people get out of their cars for those short journeys... as they did in Germany, France, Netherlands etc.

It makes the elderly and disabled more comfortable in crossing the road - over the past few years there has been an increase in those groups using the car for short journeys, too. A fear of traffic and its speed means they struggle to get across in time or read the traffic speed as well as a younger person might.

Remember those here moaning really HAVE to declare what I asked for above to validate their concern.

-75% of all urban traffic is only heading 5 miles or less (DFT statistics). Single occupancy too - eg just one person in the car

-25% of all urban traffic is for less than 2 miles.

-DFT figures for 2011 found that the average car mileage for a day was 6 miles

-DFT figures also show that nearly 90% of all traffic is domestic driver, not professionals like Taxi drivers etc.
So what i have a car and if i want to travel less than 5 miles in it i will who do you think you are trying to make the decision for me. If you are a cyclist please let me know and i will endevour to knock you off. I will not "get out of my car" for short journeys i will "get in it and drive there". I will not "make old people comfortable". I will floor it and scare the crap out of them with wheel spin when they take 5 minutes to get across a crossing on a green light.

NOBODY is going to do 20mph we have places to be...
[quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: How does it lower emissions? It makes cycling and walking safer and people get out of their cars for those short journeys... as they did in Germany, France, Netherlands etc. It makes the elderly and disabled more comfortable in crossing the road - over the past few years there has been an increase in those groups using the car for short journeys, too. A fear of traffic and its speed means they struggle to get across in time or read the traffic speed as well as a younger person might. Remember those here moaning really HAVE to declare what I asked for above to validate their concern. -75% of all urban traffic is only heading 5 miles or less (DFT statistics). Single occupancy too - eg just one person in the car -25% of all urban traffic is for less than 2 miles. -DFT figures for 2011 found that the average car mileage for a day was 6 miles -DFT figures also show that nearly 90% of all traffic is domestic driver, not professionals like Taxi drivers etc.[/p][/quote]So what i have a car and if i want to travel less than 5 miles in it i will who do you think you are trying to make the decision for me. If you are a cyclist please let me know and i will endevour to knock you off. I will not "get out of my car" for short journeys i will "get in it and drive there". I will not "make old people comfortable". I will floor it and scare the crap out of them with wheel spin when they take 5 minutes to get across a crossing on a green light. NOBODY is going to do 20mph we have places to be... timmys1981
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5:25pm Thu 17 Jan 13

timmys1981 says...

downfader wrote:
NOT ONE of you complaining has validated your complaint with how far you drive...

..therefore this means that you have nothing to complain about, then.
I drive round the block to the shops are you happy now you **** idiot
[quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: NOT ONE of you complaining has validated your complaint with how far you drive... ..therefore this means that you have nothing to complain about, then.[/p][/quote]I drive round the block to the shops are you happy now you **** idiot timmys1981
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5:42pm Thu 17 Jan 13

Plantpot says...

There was a good article recently by Andrew Gilligan in The Telegraph. He made the point that when socialist councils have their funding reduced, they tend to cut things out of spite that result in people being inconvenienced so that they lay the blame fairly and squarely on the Tory government ( a purely political move), whereas Tory councils tend to try and preserve front line services. If it's true that the signage for the 20mph limits is to cost £1.5m, this would comfortably pay for say, the children's music service and mobile libraries.
There was a good article recently by Andrew Gilligan in The Telegraph. He made the point that when socialist councils have their funding reduced, they tend to cut things out of spite that result in people being inconvenienced so that they lay the blame fairly and squarely on the Tory government ( a purely political move), whereas Tory councils tend to try and preserve front line services. If it's true that the signage for the 20mph limits is to cost £1.5m, this would comfortably pay for say, the children's music service and mobile libraries. Plantpot
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6:35pm Thu 17 Jan 13

DCCCCCC says...

Why didn't they put this to the vote of the people who live in Brighton and Hove: because they know the majority don't want it. Watch the increase in road rage attacks: people unable to control their frustration because of these ridiculous speed limits. No I won't be sticking to them nor do I know anyone who intends to. At the cost of 1.5m to implement? I thought the council were supposed to be saving money not unnecessarily spending it!
Why didn't they put this to the vote of the people who live in Brighton and Hove: because they know the majority don't want it. Watch the increase in road rage attacks: people unable to control their frustration because of these ridiculous speed limits. No I won't be sticking to them nor do I know anyone who intends to. At the cost of 1.5m to implement? I thought the council were supposed to be saving money not unnecessarily spending it! DCCCCCC
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9:28pm Thu 17 Jan 13

Idontbelieveit1948 says...

I know Brighton has a "liberal" reputation but are the council trying to create a city full of kerb crawlers ?
I know Brighton has a "liberal" reputation but are the council trying to create a city full of kerb crawlers ? Idontbelieveit1948
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9:31pm Thu 17 Jan 13

mdj747 says...

20 mph ,,,,the Maximum ?
Or the actual speed I have to drive at?(providing it's safe to do so)
Just need to know as I never rush anywhere and I,m thinking of doing 15-16mph (where it's safe to do so)
Often I drive at 25mph at the moment and sometime's 20mph ,it kinda depend's how the road ahead is looking.In narrow 30 mph road's that are lined with parked car's most of the time I,m nowhere near the speed limit.
So are the new 20MPH speed zone's
a maximum a minimum or have I got to get a car with cruise control?
20 mph ,,,,the Maximum ? Or the actual speed I have to drive at?(providing it's safe to do so) Just need to know as I never rush anywhere and I,m thinking of doing 15-16mph (where it's safe to do so) Often I drive at 25mph at the moment and sometime's 20mph ,it kinda depend's how the road ahead is looking.In narrow 30 mph road's that are lined with parked car's most of the time I,m nowhere near the speed limit. So are the new 20MPH speed zone's a maximum a minimum or have I got to get a car with cruise control? mdj747
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11:01am Fri 18 Jan 13

fab5482 says...

biker brighton wrote:
yes and taxi drivers always stick to the 30 mph limit don't they
i regally travel to work early hours
this week so far have been overtaken on the crossing at hospital and several times on seafront they seen to be exempt from the law
So are the bus drivers that overload there buses going to uni in the early hours bonus pay is it ?
You may be a responsible biker, but as a pedestrain I often see cyclists going through red lights, cycling on the pavements, or going the wrong way down a one way street, overtaking on the outside lane. Pedestrains, Cyclists and drivers, there's good and bad, but 20mph is silly because modern cyclists can do more than 20mph. A trucker friend of mine had a cyclist overtaking him, on the inside and 1 on the outside overtaking him at the same time. I've seen pedestrians walk out without checking what's coming, same goes for some car drivers etc, etc, etc
[quote][p][bold]biker brighton[/bold] wrote: yes and taxi drivers always stick to the 30 mph limit don't they i regally travel to work early hours this week so far have been overtaken on the crossing at hospital and several times on seafront they seen to be exempt from the law So are the bus drivers that overload there buses going to uni in the early hours bonus pay is it ?[/p][/quote]You may be a responsible biker, but as a pedestrain I often see cyclists going through red lights, cycling on the pavements, or going the wrong way down a one way street, overtaking on the outside lane. Pedestrains, Cyclists and drivers, there's good and bad, but 20mph is silly because modern cyclists can do more than 20mph. A trucker friend of mine had a cyclist overtaking him, on the inside and 1 on the outside overtaking him at the same time. I've seen pedestrians walk out without checking what's coming, same goes for some car drivers etc, etc, etc fab5482
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11:07am Fri 18 Jan 13

Joshiman says...

There will be trouble ahead.Sat navs with Speed camera warnings.Car drivers rebellion en masse starting to use Bus and cycle lanes.Power cuts to Traffic lights.20mph ignoredParking meters jammed.Is this our future?
In reality its a mess.One single lane in and out of Brighton with massive queues/gridlock/exha
ust fumes/high blood pressured drivers waiting to sue the council.Frustrated cyclists and pedestrians.It affects everyone.
There will be trouble ahead.Sat navs with Speed camera warnings.Car drivers rebellion en masse starting to use Bus and cycle lanes.Power cuts to Traffic lights.20mph ignoredParking meters jammed.Is this our future? In reality its a mess.One single lane in and out of Brighton with massive queues/gridlock/exha ust fumes/high blood pressured drivers waiting to sue the council.Frustrated cyclists and pedestrians.It affects everyone. Joshiman
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7:54pm Fri 18 Jan 13

D5 says...

Automaton wrote:
D5 wrote:
upsidedowntuctuc wrote:
Automaton wrote:
Phani Tikkala wrote:
Automaton wrote:
And our fuel economy will increase at lower speed.
Www.fueleconomy.gov

So more petrol used. Very greem
Cobblers

First, you're using US stats, and everyone knows that they drive far bigger gas guzzlers over there.

Second, you've been economical with the truth. Here are 2 more excerpts from that website:

Idling can use a quarter to a half gallon of fuel per hour, depending on engine size and air conditioner (AC) use.

..so sitting in queues moving slowly is LESS economic (or green)

Plus it goes on to say that the higher the gear you use the more economic it is. Try driving round in 4th gear at 20mph.
Can you explain why we will be sitting in queues less if there are the same number of cars. Isn't this what is going to happen more in Lewes road!



Only have a problem with 20 mph on major roads
"Can you explain why we will be sitting in queues less if there are the same number of cars. Isn't this what is going to happen more in Lewes road!"
Spot on !!
It will take 33% longer to get out of the City in rush hour so more cars will join back of queues.
To the poster who said it was only 7 minutes longer for a 7 mile journey that is 14 minutes a day and if done 5 times a week that's 1 hour 10 minutes multiply by 48 weeks a year to allow for holidays makes 56 hours a year which is 2 days 8 hours a year extra time and pollution!
Green???????? Behind the ears for certain ...
I will answer your question.
The majority using the roads into Brighton are indeed workers in the city making very small journeys.
The nurses, the police officers,the solicitors etc etc -they do not need to. bus/train/walk/cycle - easy.

If they used public transport -including cabbies, then the trades,en and the delivery guys and all the other guys out there providing services there wouldnt be as much congestion.

Also -the lewes rd bus lane will be fine if you use the bus -let everybody else queue in the long lane of other cars -maybe then they will use the bus -like happened on the coast road where bus usage has soared.

Funny how people always criticise the bus companies for taking payment yet never seem to mind being fleeced by the oil companies,the insurance companies,thetax etc etc for a motor car which they then insist on driving slowly in because everyone else is.

bizare.

Me? I cycle whenever i can. Get the bus/train/taxi and walk..
Still dosent answer how 20 mph reduces congestion. You are just supposing that all people who drive short distances will suddenly change to using the bus. If this happens ( which it won't) then obviously congestion will reduce.
Surprisingly many people do not have the time to cycle , or the energy given the hilly nature of Brigton. And many people have to stop on their route eg to collect kids etc. bus fares are also too expensive.
Perhaps we could introduce a new law ie anybody driving less than 5 miles to work is banned from driving!
dude, wouldnt it be nice if people at least tried!!!!
Why argue for car usage when it's had its day, christ the only thing to do would be to demolish all buildings in brighton?
THERE ARE TOO MANY CARS!

sort out the car usage problem,then have a go at people who use public transport!!
How come i see thousands of people using buses - all you are sowing is dissent and problems. i know for a fact that many people use buses for school runs - i drive buses around brighton.
It is the people who cannot be bothered or at least try to or even worse the naysayers like you,who remind me of sports commentators, not on the pitch but know everything.

I await your "aha,bus driver, must be bad driver etc biased" - no, just happy carrying 100's of 1000's of people around and looking forward to bus lanes.
The 20mph question isnt a question if it is not going to be enforced is it so why give it so much prominence?
[quote][p][bold]Automaton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]D5[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]upsidedowntuctuc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Automaton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phani Tikkala[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Automaton[/bold] wrote: And our fuel economy will increase at lower speed. Www.fueleconomy.gov So more petrol used. Very greem[/p][/quote]Cobblers First, you're using US stats, and everyone knows that they drive far bigger gas guzzlers over there. Second, you've been economical with the truth. Here are 2 more excerpts from that website: Idling can use a quarter to a half gallon of fuel per hour, depending on engine size and air conditioner (AC) use. ..so sitting in queues moving slowly is LESS economic (or green) Plus it goes on to say that the higher the gear you use the more economic it is. Try driving round in 4th gear at 20mph.[/p][/quote]Can you explain why we will be sitting in queues less if there are the same number of cars. Isn't this what is going to happen more in Lewes road! Only have a problem with 20 mph on major roads[/p][/quote]"Can you explain why we will be sitting in queues less if there are the same number of cars. Isn't this what is going to happen more in Lewes road!" Spot on !! It will take 33% longer to get out of the City in rush hour so more cars will join back of queues. To the poster who said it was only 7 minutes longer for a 7 mile journey that is 14 minutes a day and if done 5 times a week that's 1 hour 10 minutes multiply by 48 weeks a year to allow for holidays makes 56 hours a year which is 2 days 8 hours a year extra time and pollution! Green???????? Behind the ears for certain ...[/p][/quote]I will answer your question. The majority using the roads into Brighton are indeed workers in the city making very small journeys. The nurses, the police officers,the solicitors etc etc -they do not need to. bus/train/walk/cycle - easy. If they used public transport -including cabbies, then the trades,en and the delivery guys and all the other guys out there providing services there wouldnt be as much congestion. Also -the lewes rd bus lane will be fine if you use the bus -let everybody else queue in the long lane of other cars -maybe then they will use the bus -like happened on the coast road where bus usage has soared. Funny how people always criticise the bus companies for taking payment yet never seem to mind being fleeced by the oil companies,the insurance companies,thetax etc etc for a motor car which they then insist on driving slowly in because everyone else is. bizare. Me? I cycle whenever i can. Get the bus/train/taxi and walk..[/p][/quote]Still dosent answer how 20 mph reduces congestion. You are just supposing that all people who drive short distances will suddenly change to using the bus. If this happens ( which it won't) then obviously congestion will reduce. Surprisingly many people do not have the time to cycle , or the energy given the hilly nature of Brigton. And many people have to stop on their route eg to collect kids etc. bus fares are also too expensive. Perhaps we could introduce a new law ie anybody driving less than 5 miles to work is banned from driving![/p][/quote]dude, wouldnt it be nice if people at least tried!!!! Why argue for car usage when it's had its day, christ the only thing to do would be to demolish all buildings in brighton? THERE ARE TOO MANY CARS! sort out the car usage problem,then have a go at people who use public transport!! How come i see thousands of people using buses - all you are sowing is dissent and problems. i know for a fact that many people use buses for school runs - i drive buses around brighton. It is the people who cannot be bothered or at least try to or even worse the naysayers like you,who remind me of sports commentators, not on the pitch but know everything. I await your "aha,bus driver, must be bad driver etc biased" - no, just happy carrying 100's of 1000's of people around and looking forward to bus lanes. The 20mph question isnt a question if it is not going to be enforced is it so why give it so much prominence? D5
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10:27pm Fri 18 Jan 13

Old Ladys Gin says...

Why I wonder are UK authorities so reluctant to do what all our neighbours, except Ireland, have done; that is to give pedestrians absolute priority in built up areas?
To do so makes everything clear and would remove, in time, the situation of us having the second highest pedestrian casualty rates in the EU.
Why I wonder are UK authorities so reluctant to do what all our neighbours, except Ireland, have done; that is to give pedestrians absolute priority in built up areas? To do so makes everything clear and would remove, in time, the situation of us having the second highest pedestrian casualty rates in the EU. Old Ladys Gin
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10:57pm Fri 18 Jan 13

graham_Seagull says...

It costs £1.5m to deal with a fatal rta.
So two less fatalities and the council/ police savings pay for the £1.5m impl cost of the 20mph zone.

Sounds like cracking good economics to me.
It costs £1.5m to deal with a fatal rta. So two less fatalities and the council/ police savings pay for the £1.5m impl cost of the 20mph zone. Sounds like cracking good economics to me. graham_Seagull
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11:00pm Fri 18 Jan 13

graham_Seagull says...

timmys1981 wrote:
downfader wrote:
How does it lower emissions? It makes cycling and walking safer and people get out of their cars for those short journeys... as they did in Germany, France, Netherlands etc.

It makes the elderly and disabled more comfortable in crossing the road - over the past few years there has been an increase in those groups using the car for short journeys, too. A fear of traffic and its speed means they struggle to get across in time or read the traffic speed as well as a younger person might.

Remember those here moaning really HAVE to declare what I asked for above to validate their concern.

-75% of all urban traffic is only heading 5 miles or less (DFT statistics). Single occupancy too - eg just one person in the car

-25% of all urban traffic is for less than 2 miles.

-DFT figures for 2011 found that the average car mileage for a day was 6 miles

-DFT figures also show that nearly 90% of all traffic is domestic driver, not professionals like Taxi drivers etc.
So what i have a car and if i want to travel less than 5 miles in it i will who do you think you are trying to make the decision for me. If you are a cyclist please let me know and i will endevour to knock you off. I will not "get out of my car" for short journeys i will "get in it and drive there". I will not "make old people comfortable". I will floor it and scare the crap out of them with wheel spin when they take 5 minutes to get across a crossing on a green light.

NOBODY is going to do 20mph we have places to be...
If you are in an accident whilst traveling well in excess of 20mph in a 20 zone that's a careless driving charge, then watch your insurance prem skyrocket and wave your licence goodbye for 6 mths.
All for the sake of a few extra mins. Not worth it is it.
[quote][p][bold]timmys1981[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: How does it lower emissions? It makes cycling and walking safer and people get out of their cars for those short journeys... as they did in Germany, France, Netherlands etc. It makes the elderly and disabled more comfortable in crossing the road - over the past few years there has been an increase in those groups using the car for short journeys, too. A fear of traffic and its speed means they struggle to get across in time or read the traffic speed as well as a younger person might. Remember those here moaning really HAVE to declare what I asked for above to validate their concern. -75% of all urban traffic is only heading 5 miles or less (DFT statistics). Single occupancy too - eg just one person in the car -25% of all urban traffic is for less than 2 miles. -DFT figures for 2011 found that the average car mileage for a day was 6 miles -DFT figures also show that nearly 90% of all traffic is domestic driver, not professionals like Taxi drivers etc.[/p][/quote]So what i have a car and if i want to travel less than 5 miles in it i will who do you think you are trying to make the decision for me. If you are a cyclist please let me know and i will endevour to knock you off. I will not "get out of my car" for short journeys i will "get in it and drive there". I will not "make old people comfortable". I will floor it and scare the crap out of them with wheel spin when they take 5 minutes to get across a crossing on a green light. NOBODY is going to do 20mph we have places to be...[/p][/quote]If you are in an accident whilst traveling well in excess of 20mph in a 20 zone that's a careless driving charge, then watch your insurance prem skyrocket and wave your licence goodbye for 6 mths. All for the sake of a few extra mins. Not worth it is it. graham_Seagull
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9:41am Sat 19 Jan 13

Automaton says...

D5 wrote:
Automaton wrote:
D5 wrote:
upsidedowntuctuc wrote:
Automaton wrote:
Phani Tikkala wrote:
Automaton wrote:
And our fuel economy will increase at lower speed.
Www.fueleconomy.gov

So more petrol used. Very greem
Cobblers

First, you're using US stats, and everyone knows that they drive far bigger gas guzzlers over there.

Second, you've been economical with the truth. Here are 2 more excerpts from that website:

Idling can use a quarter to a half gallon of fuel per hour, depending on engine size and air conditioner (AC) use.

..so sitting in queues moving slowly is LESS economic (or green)

Plus it goes on to say that the higher the gear you use the more economic it is. Try driving round in 4th gear at 20mph.
Can you explain why we will be sitting in queues less if there are the same number of cars. Isn't this what is going to happen more in Lewes road!



Only have a problem with 20 mph on major roads
"Can you explain why we will be sitting in queues less if there are the same number of cars. Isn't this what is going to happen more in Lewes road!"
Spot on !!
It will take 33% longer to get out of the City in rush hour so more cars will join back of queues.
To the poster who said it was only 7 minutes longer for a 7 mile journey that is 14 minutes a day and if done 5 times a week that's 1 hour 10 minutes multiply by 48 weeks a year to allow for holidays makes 56 hours a year which is 2 days 8 hours a year extra time and pollution!
Green???????? Behind the ears for certain ...
I will answer your question.
The majority using the roads into Brighton are indeed workers in the city making very small journeys.
The nurses, the police officers,the solicitors etc etc -they do not need to. bus/train/walk/cycle - easy.

If they used public transport -including cabbies, then the trades,en and the delivery guys and all the other guys out there providing services there wouldnt be as much congestion.

Also -the lewes rd bus lane will be fine if you use the bus -let everybody else queue in the long lane of other cars -maybe then they will use the bus -like happened on the coast road where bus usage has soared.

Funny how people always criticise the bus companies for taking payment yet never seem to mind being fleeced by the oil companies,the insurance companies,thetax etc etc for a motor car which they then insist on driving slowly in because everyone else is.

bizare.

Me? I cycle whenever i can. Get the bus/train/taxi and walk..
Still dosent answer how 20 mph reduces congestion. You are just supposing that all people who drive short distances will suddenly change to using the bus. If this happens ( which it won't) then obviously congestion will reduce.
Surprisingly many people do not have the time to cycle , or the energy given the hilly nature of Brigton. And many people have to stop on their route eg to collect kids etc. bus fares are also too expensive.
Perhaps we could introduce a new law ie anybody driving less than 5 miles to work is banned from driving!
dude, wouldnt it be nice if people at least tried!!!!
Why argue for car usage when it's had its day, christ the only thing to do would be to demolish all buildings in brighton?
THERE ARE TOO MANY CARS!

sort out the car usage problem,then have a go at people who use public transport!!
How come i see thousands of people using buses - all you are sowing is dissent and problems. i know for a fact that many people use buses for school runs - i drive buses around brighton.
It is the people who cannot be bothered or at least try to or even worse the naysayers like you,who remind me of sports commentators, not on the pitch but know everything.

I await your "aha,bus driver, must be bad driver etc biased" - no, just happy carrying 100's of 1000's of people around and looking forward to bus lanes.
The 20mph question isnt a question if it is not going to be enforced is it so why give it so much prominence?
Explain how to get from hove area to falter on a bus in reasonable time. Car 15 min , bus through city at least 45.
[quote][p][bold]D5[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Automaton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]D5[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]upsidedowntuctuc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Automaton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phani Tikkala[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Automaton[/bold] wrote: And our fuel economy will increase at lower speed. Www.fueleconomy.gov So more petrol used. Very greem[/p][/quote]Cobblers First, you're using US stats, and everyone knows that they drive far bigger gas guzzlers over there. Second, you've been economical with the truth. Here are 2 more excerpts from that website: Idling can use a quarter to a half gallon of fuel per hour, depending on engine size and air conditioner (AC) use. ..so sitting in queues moving slowly is LESS economic (or green) Plus it goes on to say that the higher the gear you use the more economic it is. Try driving round in 4th gear at 20mph.[/p][/quote]Can you explain why we will be sitting in queues less if there are the same number of cars. Isn't this what is going to happen more in Lewes road! Only have a problem with 20 mph on major roads[/p][/quote]"Can you explain why we will be sitting in queues less if there are the same number of cars. Isn't this what is going to happen more in Lewes road!" Spot on !! It will take 33% longer to get out of the City in rush hour so more cars will join back of queues. To the poster who said it was only 7 minutes longer for a 7 mile journey that is 14 minutes a day and if done 5 times a week that's 1 hour 10 minutes multiply by 48 weeks a year to allow for holidays makes 56 hours a year which is 2 days 8 hours a year extra time and pollution! Green???????? Behind the ears for certain ...[/p][/quote]I will answer your question. The majority using the roads into Brighton are indeed workers in the city making very small journeys. The nurses, the police officers,the solicitors etc etc -they do not need to. bus/train/walk/cycle - easy. If they used public transport -including cabbies, then the trades,en and the delivery guys and all the other guys out there providing services there wouldnt be as much congestion. Also -the lewes rd bus lane will be fine if you use the bus -let everybody else queue in the long lane of other cars -maybe then they will use the bus -like happened on the coast road where bus usage has soared. Funny how people always criticise the bus companies for taking payment yet never seem to mind being fleeced by the oil companies,the insurance companies,thetax etc etc for a motor car which they then insist on driving slowly in because everyone else is. bizare. Me? I cycle whenever i can. Get the bus/train/taxi and walk..[/p][/quote]Still dosent answer how 20 mph reduces congestion. You are just supposing that all people who drive short distances will suddenly change to using the bus. If this happens ( which it won't) then obviously congestion will reduce. Surprisingly many people do not have the time to cycle , or the energy given the hilly nature of Brigton. And many people have to stop on their route eg to collect kids etc. bus fares are also too expensive. Perhaps we could introduce a new law ie anybody driving less than 5 miles to work is banned from driving![/p][/quote]dude, wouldnt it be nice if people at least tried!!!! Why argue for car usage when it's had its day, christ the only thing to do would be to demolish all buildings in brighton? THERE ARE TOO MANY CARS! sort out the car usage problem,then have a go at people who use public transport!! How come i see thousands of people using buses - all you are sowing is dissent and problems. i know for a fact that many people use buses for school runs - i drive buses around brighton. It is the people who cannot be bothered or at least try to or even worse the naysayers like you,who remind me of sports commentators, not on the pitch but know everything. I await your "aha,bus driver, must be bad driver etc biased" - no, just happy carrying 100's of 1000's of people around and looking forward to bus lanes. The 20mph question isnt a question if it is not going to be enforced is it so why give it so much prominence?[/p][/quote]Explain how to get from hove area to falter on a bus in reasonable time. Car 15 min , bus through city at least 45. Automaton
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10:57am Sat 19 Jan 13

Mayan Turkey says...

A daft decision. It's done, nothing can stop it. It won't be subsequently reversed by dysfunctional Tory and Labour twerps - because if it was there would be an outcry and Argus headlines of "Brighton introduces 30mph death zones".

"taxi drivers concerned over blanket ban"? Have the Greens now banned blankets as well? Is this designed to reduce the pressure on elderly care services? I think we should be told.
A daft decision. It's done, nothing can stop it. It won't be subsequently reversed by dysfunctional Tory and Labour twerps - because if it was there would be an outcry and Argus headlines of "Brighton introduces 30mph death zones". "taxi drivers concerned over blanket ban"? Have the Greens now banned blankets as well? Is this designed to reduce the pressure on elderly care services? I think we should be told. Mayan Turkey
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1:09pm Sat 19 Jan 13

paddytag says...

ruberducker wrote:
the police refuse to enforce it:SO UP YOURS KITCRAP.
cant wait for the next election.
But the police are douchebags anyways.
[quote][p][bold]ruberducker[/bold] wrote: the police refuse to enforce it:SO UP YOURS KITCRAP. cant wait for the next election.[/p][/quote]But the police are douchebags anyways. paddytag
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1:58pm Sat 19 Jan 13

graham_Seagull says...

Plantpot wrote:
There was a good article recently by Andrew Gilligan in The Telegraph. He made the point that when socialist councils have their funding reduced, they tend to cut things out of spite that result in people being inconvenienced so that they lay the blame fairly and squarely on the Tory government ( a purely political move), whereas Tory councils tend to try and preserve front line services. If it's true that the signage for the 20mph limits is to cost £1.5m, this would comfortably pay for say, the children's music service and mobile libraries.
Andrew gilligan, that we'll known nut case who refutes man made climate change, who is really just a mega right wing nutcase who, unfortunately, some people read and believe.
[quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: There was a good article recently by Andrew Gilligan in The Telegraph. He made the point that when socialist councils have their funding reduced, they tend to cut things out of spite that result in people being inconvenienced so that they lay the blame fairly and squarely on the Tory government ( a purely political move), whereas Tory councils tend to try and preserve front line services. If it's true that the signage for the 20mph limits is to cost £1.5m, this would comfortably pay for say, the children's music service and mobile libraries.[/p][/quote]Andrew gilligan, that we'll known nut case who refutes man made climate change, who is really just a mega right wing nutcase who, unfortunately, some people read and believe. graham_Seagull
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3:04pm Sat 19 Jan 13

Thetruthhurts101 says...

Another money trap from bhcc, nice one, as if brighton isn't bad enough for traffic.......
Another money trap from bhcc, nice one, as if brighton isn't bad enough for traffic....... Thetruthhurts101
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8:21pm Sat 19 Jan 13

timmys1981 says...

graham_Seagull wrote:
timmys1981 wrote:
downfader wrote:
How does it lower emissions? It makes cycling and walking safer and people get out of their cars for those short journeys... as they did in Germany, France, Netherlands etc.

It makes the elderly and disabled more comfortable in crossing the road - over the past few years there has been an increase in those groups using the car for short journeys, too. A fear of traffic and its speed means they struggle to get across in time or read the traffic speed as well as a younger person might.

Remember those here moaning really HAVE to declare what I asked for above to validate their concern.

-75% of all urban traffic is only heading 5 miles or less (DFT statistics). Single occupancy too - eg just one person in the car

-25% of all urban traffic is for less than 2 miles.

-DFT figures for 2011 found that the average car mileage for a day was 6 miles

-DFT figures also show that nearly 90% of all traffic is domestic driver, not professionals like Taxi drivers etc.
So what i have a car and if i want to travel less than 5 miles in it i will who do you think you are trying to make the decision for me. If you are a cyclist please let me know and i will endevour to knock you off. I will not "get out of my car" for short journeys i will "get in it and drive there". I will not "make old people comfortable". I will floor it and scare the crap out of them with wheel spin when they take 5 minutes to get across a crossing on a green light.

NOBODY is going to do 20mph we have places to be...
If you are in an accident whilst traveling well in excess of 20mph in a 20 zone that's a careless driving charge, then watch your insurance prem skyrocket and wave your licence goodbye for 6 mths.
All for the sake of a few extra mins. Not worth it is it.
In over 15 years ive not had one yet and anyway it certainly wouldnt be the type of accident where there were skids marks from 35 to 0 to prove anything as i am not asleep at the wheel like many morons that drive in b&h
[quote][p][bold]graham_Seagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]timmys1981[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: How does it lower emissions? It makes cycling and walking safer and people get out of their cars for those short journeys... as they did in Germany, France, Netherlands etc. It makes the elderly and disabled more comfortable in crossing the road - over the past few years there has been an increase in those groups using the car for short journeys, too. A fear of traffic and its speed means they struggle to get across in time or read the traffic speed as well as a younger person might. Remember those here moaning really HAVE to declare what I asked for above to validate their concern. -75% of all urban traffic is only heading 5 miles or less (DFT statistics). Single occupancy too - eg just one person in the car -25% of all urban traffic is for less than 2 miles. -DFT figures for 2011 found that the average car mileage for a day was 6 miles -DFT figures also show that nearly 90% of all traffic is domestic driver, not professionals like Taxi drivers etc.[/p][/quote]So what i have a car and if i want to travel less than 5 miles in it i will who do you think you are trying to make the decision for me. If you are a cyclist please let me know and i will endevour to knock you off. I will not "get out of my car" for short journeys i will "get in it and drive there". I will not "make old people comfortable". I will floor it and scare the crap out of them with wheel spin when they take 5 minutes to get across a crossing on a green light. NOBODY is going to do 20mph we have places to be...[/p][/quote]If you are in an accident whilst traveling well in excess of 20mph in a 20 zone that's a careless driving charge, then watch your insurance prem skyrocket and wave your licence goodbye for 6 mths. All for the sake of a few extra mins. Not worth it is it.[/p][/quote]In over 15 years ive not had one yet and anyway it certainly wouldnt be the type of accident where there were skids marks from 35 to 0 to prove anything as i am not asleep at the wheel like many morons that drive in b&h timmys1981
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8:28pm Sat 19 Jan 13

graham_Seagull says...

timmys1981 wrote:
graham_Seagull wrote:
timmys1981 wrote:
downfader wrote:
How does it lower emissions? It makes cycling and walking safer and people get out of their cars for those short journeys... as they did in Germany, France, Netherlands etc.

It makes the elderly and disabled more comfortable in crossing the road - over the past few years there has been an increase in those groups using the car for short journeys, too. A fear of traffic and its speed means they struggle to get across in time or read the traffic speed as well as a younger person might.

Remember those here moaning really HAVE to declare what I asked for above to validate their concern.

-75% of all urban traffic is only heading 5 miles or less (DFT statistics). Single occupancy too - eg just one person in the car

-25% of all urban traffic is for less than 2 miles.

-DFT figures for 2011 found that the average car mileage for a day was 6 miles

-DFT figures also show that nearly 90% of all traffic is domestic driver, not professionals like Taxi drivers etc.
So what i have a car and if i want to travel less than 5 miles in it i will who do you think you are trying to make the decision for me. If you are a cyclist please let me know and i will endevour to knock you off. I will not "get out of my car" for short journeys i will "get in it and drive there". I will not "make old people comfortable". I will floor it and scare the crap out of them with wheel spin when they take 5 minutes to get across a crossing on a green light.

NOBODY is going to do 20mph we have places to be...
If you are in an accident whilst traveling well in excess of 20mph in a 20 zone that's a careless driving charge, then watch your insurance prem skyrocket and wave your licence goodbye for 6 mths.
All for the sake of a few extra mins. Not worth it is it.
In over 15 years ive not had one yet and anyway it certainly wouldnt be the type of accident where there were skids marks from 35 to 0 to prove anything as i am not asleep at the wheel like many morons that drive in b&h
The fact that you boast as if it will never happen to you tells me that you are as good as sleepwalking to your first prang. The best drivers drive defensively and expect the unexpected to happen.
[quote][p][bold]timmys1981[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]graham_Seagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]timmys1981[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: How does it lower emissions? It makes cycling and walking safer and people get out of their cars for those short journeys... as they did in Germany, France, Netherlands etc. It makes the elderly and disabled more comfortable in crossing the road - over the past few years there has been an increase in those groups using the car for short journeys, too. A fear of traffic and its speed means they struggle to get across in time or read the traffic speed as well as a younger person might. Remember those here moaning really HAVE to declare what I asked for above to validate their concern. -75% of all urban traffic is only heading 5 miles or less (DFT statistics). Single occupancy too - eg just one person in the car -25% of all urban traffic is for less than 2 miles. -DFT figures for 2011 found that the average car mileage for a day was 6 miles -DFT figures also show that nearly 90% of all traffic is domestic driver, not professionals like Taxi drivers etc.[/p][/quote]So what i have a car and if i want to travel less than 5 miles in it i will who do you think you are trying to make the decision for me. If you are a cyclist please let me know and i will endevour to knock you off. I will not "get out of my car" for short journeys i will "get in it and drive there". I will not "make old people comfortable". I will floor it and scare the crap out of them with wheel spin when they take 5 minutes to get across a crossing on a green light. NOBODY is going to do 20mph we have places to be...[/p][/quote]If you are in an accident whilst traveling well in excess of 20mph in a 20 zone that's a careless driving charge, then watch your insurance prem skyrocket and wave your licence goodbye for 6 mths. All for the sake of a few extra mins. Not worth it is it.[/p][/quote]In over 15 years ive not had one yet and anyway it certainly wouldnt be the type of accident where there were skids marks from 35 to 0 to prove anything as i am not asleep at the wheel like many morons that drive in b&h[/p][/quote]The fact that you boast as if it will never happen to you tells me that you are as good as sleepwalking to your first prang. The best drivers drive defensively and expect the unexpected to happen. graham_Seagull
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11:23am Sun 20 Jan 13

Plantpot says...

graham_Seagull wrote:
Plantpot wrote:
There was a good article recently by Andrew Gilligan in The Telegraph. He made the point that when socialist councils have their funding reduced, they tend to cut things out of spite that result in people being inconvenienced so that they lay the blame fairly and squarely on the Tory government ( a purely political move), whereas Tory councils tend to try and preserve front line services. If it's true that the signage for the 20mph limits is to cost £1.5m, this would comfortably pay for say, the children's music service and mobile libraries.
Andrew gilligan, that we'll known nut case who refutes man made climate change, who is really just a mega right wing nutcase who, unfortunately, some people read and believe.
Lol. I see you mention man made climate change. Is this what was up until recently called global warming, and when I was growing up the next Ice Age? did you notice that on Xmas eve the Met Office tried to bury a press release stating their climate change models were wrong (again) and that no appreciable change has taken place in the last 15 years, nor will it moving forward despite CO2 rising?

http://www.telegraph
.co.uk/comment/97973
15/A-forecast-the-Me
t-Office-hoped-you-w
ouldnt-see.html

Unfortunately climate change seems to be the new socialism. The hard left is dead everywhere in the western world, but climate change offers an opportunity to control and reduce freedoms.....
[quote][p][bold]graham_Seagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: There was a good article recently by Andrew Gilligan in The Telegraph. He made the point that when socialist councils have their funding reduced, they tend to cut things out of spite that result in people being inconvenienced so that they lay the blame fairly and squarely on the Tory government ( a purely political move), whereas Tory councils tend to try and preserve front line services. If it's true that the signage for the 20mph limits is to cost £1.5m, this would comfortably pay for say, the children's music service and mobile libraries.[/p][/quote]Andrew gilligan, that we'll known nut case who refutes man made climate change, who is really just a mega right wing nutcase who, unfortunately, some people read and believe.[/p][/quote]Lol. I see you mention man made climate change. Is this what was up until recently called global warming, and when I was growing up the next Ice Age? did you notice that on Xmas eve the Met Office tried to bury a press release stating their climate change models were wrong (again) and that no appreciable change has taken place in the last 15 years, nor will it moving forward despite CO2 rising? http://www.telegraph .co.uk/comment/97973 15/A-forecast-the-Me t-Office-hoped-you-w ouldnt-see.html Unfortunately climate change seems to be the new socialism. The hard left is dead everywhere in the western world, but climate change offers an opportunity to control and reduce freedoms..... Plantpot
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10:37pm Sun 20 Jan 13

GovindaTim says...

graham_Seagull wrote:
It costs £1.5m to deal with a fatal rta.
So two less fatalities and the council/ police savings pay for the £1.5m impl cost of the 20mph zone.

Sounds like cracking good economics to me.
Back up that figure with some stats please.
[quote][p][bold]graham_Seagull[/bold] wrote: It costs £1.5m to deal with a fatal rta. So two less fatalities and the council/ police savings pay for the £1.5m impl cost of the 20mph zone. Sounds like cracking good economics to me.[/p][/quote]Back up that figure with some stats please. GovindaTim
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10:42am Mon 21 Jan 13

Joshiman says...

Invented spinned climate change/global warming which governments want us to believe ,"that its our fault.2What propaganda!!!!!!
twenty plus years ago It was going to be the ice age caused by us again.
Its all about taxes/stupid useless windfarms/etcc..We are really teated as imbecile plebs.
Invented spinned climate change/global warming which governments want us to believe ,"that its our fault.2What propaganda!!!!!! twenty plus years ago It was going to be the ice age caused by us again. Its all about taxes/stupid useless windfarms/etcc..We are really teated as imbecile plebs. Joshiman
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1:35pm Mon 21 Jan 13

grumpybumm says...

Lets face it.It is highly unlikely that any pedestrian could be run over in this city,as this council has erected a pedestrian crossing every 100 yds on most of the roads in Brighton.When is the next election?Will there be Raving Looney Party candidate,oh no we allready have one!
Lets face it.It is highly unlikely that any pedestrian could be run over in this city,as this council has erected a pedestrian crossing every 100 yds on most of the roads in Brighton.When is the next election?Will there be Raving Looney Party candidate,oh no we allready have one! grumpybumm
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4:57pm Mon 21 Jan 13

makoshark says...

Fine, the green party want to implement blanket 20mph limits and reduce car use in the central areas of the City...

So they increase the price of bus travel (which is pretty unreliable anyway), threaten to reduce or remove pensioner bus passes and still expect people to leave their cars at home!

Somebody really needs a re-think of the entire strategy and perhaps bite the bullet and operate something akin to the o'bahn system in Adelaide. Australia...

http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/O-Bahn_Busw
ay

Fast, Safe, Affordable, Flexible and Reliable!!!

But hey... that would be too easy
Fine, the green party want to implement blanket 20mph limits and reduce car use in the central areas of the City... So they increase the price of bus travel (which is pretty unreliable anyway), threaten to reduce or remove pensioner bus passes and still expect people to leave their cars at home! Somebody really needs a re-think of the entire strategy and perhaps bite the bullet and operate something akin to the o'bahn system in Adelaide. Australia... http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/O-Bahn_Busw ay Fast, Safe, Affordable, Flexible and Reliable!!! But hey... that would be too easy makoshark
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10:16am Tue 22 Jan 13

Old Ladys Gin says...

In most of our neighbouring countries drivers have to give way to pedestrians/cyclists at every turn or junction, even the most minor - often when there is a green light in favour of the vehicles.
There will be pedestrians crossings at every junction and no more than 200 metres apart on any urban road.
The Highway Codes of most countries were adapted in the 1990s to reflect these new procedures and they have been widely welcomed and adopted.
The idea of driving in front of a pedestrian waiting to cross would be thought at least, impolite.
Plus, 20mph limits are widespread and yes, there are speed traps and not as easily seen as in this country; often hidden away in parked vehicles and behind hedges etc.
It's time the UK motorist manned up and stopped whingeing and understood that what is happeing here has happened, ages ago, in other countries.
In most of our neighbouring countries drivers have to give way to pedestrians/cyclists at every turn or junction, even the most minor - often when there is a green light in favour of the vehicles. There will be pedestrians crossings at every junction and no more than 200 metres apart on any urban road. The Highway Codes of most countries were adapted in the 1990s to reflect these new procedures and they have been widely welcomed and adopted. The idea of driving in front of a pedestrian waiting to cross would be thought at least, impolite. Plus, 20mph limits are widespread and yes, there are speed traps and not as easily seen as in this country; often hidden away in parked vehicles and behind hedges etc. It's time the UK motorist manned up and stopped whingeing and understood that what is happeing here has happened, ages ago, in other countries. Old Ladys Gin
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