Migrants are warned to ‘stay away’ from Brighton and Hove

Migrants have been warned to stay away from Brighton and Hove if they do not have a job or a place to stay.

Around a quarter of a million migrants from Bulgaria and Romania could move to the UK over the next five years after EU restrictions are lifted at the end of 2013.

But experts said it was “almost impossible” to know how many migrants might choose to move to Sussex after the rule change.

Andy Winter, chief executive of the housing charity Brighton Housing Trust, said any migrants from Bulgaria and Romania without a home or the guarantee of a job should stay away from the city.

He said: “If they have got no work and no accommodation, the government should be telling them not to come.

“If they do come, we’ll try and relocate them and help them as best we can.

“But the fact is, things are rough here for people with no job or no home.

“The streets are not paved with gold.”

Migrants

Brighton and Hove is already a popular destination for foreign migrants with 15.1 per cent of the population born outside the UK, higher than 11 per cent in the south east and 12.8 per cent nationally.

More than 4,000 migrants arrive in the city from outside of the UK every year, according to the most recent figures.

Councillor Jason Kitcat, leader of Brighton and Hove City Council, said the local authority had “no plans to make special preparations” for any further surge in migration to the area, and there was “no evidence that Brighton and Hove would experience an influx of people from these countries in particular”.

But Hove MP Mike Weatherley said the council should keep the situation “under review as a matter of course”.

Dr James Hampshire, a senior lecturer at the Sussex Centre for Migration Research, said there would certainly be a “flow of people” to Brighton and Hove, although it was hard to know exactly how many to expect.

A member of No Borders Brighton, the pro-immigration pressure group, said more foreign migrants would “enrich” Brighton and Hove.

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Comments(76)

NickBrt says...
6:22pm Thu 24 Jan 13

Give them a caravan and a 4 by 4 then Jason will fall over himself to give them all the help under the sun at OUR expense. At least Estern Eurpopeans work, don;'t discriminate against them.

Council Pound says...
6:39pm Thu 24 Jan 13

Does that include South Africans eh Mr Winter ?

kkj says...
6:55pm Thu 24 Jan 13

But experts said it was “almost impossible” to know how many migrants might choose to move to Sussex after the rule change.

Almost impossible? So its possible then?

nocando says...
8:25pm Thu 24 Jan 13

So, in conclusion, our council with their hugely epensive vision of the future have no idea what to expect or what might need to be done despite 2 years warning in advance.
You'll have to do better than that kitkat, we've already got you pegged out as a grade A dipstick, for heavens sake get a grip and do what we pay you for.
We're starting to think you might just be making it up as you go along...

Indigatio says...
8:58pm Thu 24 Jan 13

We just don't realise what is going to hit us! East European criminal gangs are a completely different breed to home grown crooks. We have already had a taster with the ones that the EU allowed unhindered access to the UK already. Just wait until you get the Bulgarian and the Romanian criminals over here! They will see the UK as easy pickings.

The recent TV series based in Brighton, 'The Fear', showed a side to East European criminal gangs that a lot of those who saw it probably thought of as over dramatised. Nope, that was just a glimpse of what could happen.

So welcome those who genuinely want to work and integrate into British Society but those liberal minded do gooders out there who live in their cotton wool world who think that diversity is king are in for a shock and we must not let them curb caution and warranted criticism of our 'wonderful' open borders.

Dave At Home says...
9:03pm Thu 24 Jan 13

NickBrt wrote:
Give them a caravan and a 4 by 4 then Jason will fall over himself to give them all the help under the sun at OUR expense. At least Estern Eurpopeans work, don;'t discriminate against them.
Exactly, if the so called locals don't want to work, then they will work and work hard for their money so let them in, why should Kitkat say any different, at least their taxes will keep him in a job, that probably an East European could do a hell of a lot better than him. Maybe that is what he is afraid of.

leobrighton says...
9:59pm Thu 24 Jan 13

That will be the final nail in the coffin for this declining town and country unable to cope with the expense of the migrants already here.

true-brightonian says...
10:14pm Thu 24 Jan 13

Migrants are warned to "stay away"? I have read the article but I struggled to find any evidence of concrete warnings, just some general good advice about trying to make it here. When I arrived in Brighton from another part of the UK 25 years ago I was told to leave by the job centre as there was no work here. I stuck it out and have been working in Brighton (paying taxes, etc. etc.) for 24 1/2 of the past 25 years. I have also personally known a few Bulgarians and Romanians and none were members of drug gangs or took part in child trafficking. In fact most lived modestly and worked a hell of a lot harder that most of the locals. They were what Mr. Cameron calls "strivers" and certainly not "skivers". Argus, please stop your pointless scare-mongering. Brighton has been short of houses and jobs for as long as anybody can remember. A few more migrants won't do much to change that. At very least they may raise the collective IQ of Brighton by a point or two.

Maxwell's Ghost says...
10:27pm Thu 24 Jan 13

come here only if you are rich, use energy saving lightbulbs, have an electric car and a nice Stepford Wife at home who knits fair trade woollen jumpers for their dry-stone walling husbands.
The poor and the needy, the vulnerable and old can go to hell.

inadaptado says...
11:04pm Thu 24 Jan 13

This is like all those straight men that are afraid to be close to gay ones because they think they'll be hit on, when the truth is they are so ugly they wouldn't touch them with a ten-feet pole. NOBODY knows how many Bulgaria and Romania migrants will come here, IF ANY. We should stop flattering ourselves, this city is not that good. And The Argus should stop trying to become The Southern Daily Mail, it's pathetic.

imnotpc says...
11:21pm Thu 24 Jan 13

inadaptado wrote:
This is like all those straight men that are afraid to be close to gay ones because they think they'll be hit on, when the truth is they are so ugly they wouldn't touch them with a ten-feet pole. NOBODY knows how many Bulgaria and Romania migrants will come here, IF ANY. We should stop flattering ourselves, this city is not that good. And The Argus should stop trying to become The Southern Daily Mail, it's pathetic.
stupid person

nosolution says...
11:45pm Thu 24 Jan 13

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
come here only if you are rich, use energy saving lightbulbs, have an electric car and a nice Stepford Wife at home who knits fair trade woollen jumpers for their dry-stone walling husbands. The poor and the needy, the vulnerable and old can go to hell.
Ah but young foreign serfs are needed to labour for a slaves wage that wouldn't keep a mouse in cheese who will keep those in the style that they have been accustomed to and will put up with being spoken down to.They also won't mind living in the cramped,tiny and damp bedsits of the slum standard of Soviet Russia...

Athena says...
2:21am Fri 25 Jan 13

Perhaps our nice Green Party should advise the Bulgarians and Romanians that they will only be admitted to Brighton if they possess a bicycle.

Sir Prised says...
7:05am Fri 25 Jan 13

I just don't get how the powers-that-be square ever more invasive and expensive green measures, with allowing a burgeoning population ! The most effective green measure must be to limit population growth, yet we bend over backards to aid and even finance it's increase. Utter madness.

John60 says...
8:29am Fri 25 Jan 13

No thanks! I left London to get away from those nasty racist and homophobic peasants!

RaduGO says...
9:03am Fri 25 Jan 13

You are complaining to much without considering the benefits. I never heard someone complaining that the immigrants are contributing to much to GNP or about the revenues of the British companies from Romania or Bulgaria. There are also a lot British born criminals on the loose but I assume it is much is easy to blame the foreigners. Perhaps in a few years you will write in the history books that the London riots from 2011 were planned by the Romanians and Bulgarians and not by the British born hooligans and criminals.

Indigatio says...
9:12am Fri 25 Jan 13

RaduGO wrote:
You are complaining to much without considering the benefits. I never heard someone complaining that the immigrants are contributing to much to GNP or about the revenues of the British companies from Romania or Bulgaria. There are also a lot British born criminals on the loose but I assume it is much is easy to blame the foreigners. Perhaps in a few years you will write in the history books that the London riots from 2011 were planned by the Romanians and Bulgarians and not by the British born hooligans and criminals.
I was talking about organised crime not public disorder. I was also not saying that there are not British criminals, of course there are. I was trying to emphasis the fact that the East Eurpean criminal is a different breed to the home grown ones. They have a different mind set and are certainly a lot more violent. Open borders have advantages but they also have a downside and we need to ensure that safeguards are in place.

NickBrt says...
9:14am Fri 25 Jan 13

I wish Jason Catmeat woudl stay away from Brighton and Hove. Go live in Brussels with u-no-hoo.

hammerfan says...
9:14am Fri 25 Jan 13

We have notice of what is coming!
There will be plenty of talk but no action!
There will come a time when the public will have had enough! What happens then is potentially frightening! Will people take matters into there own hands? This is already happening in France. This country is full to overflowing. Our services are stretched. We have high un-employment. We need some sort of imigration quota. Race is not the problem but it will be used as an excuse. We need to control our borders.
We should have a vote on Europe now!

Hoarder12345444 says...
9:37am Fri 25 Jan 13

Too right, the country is full and jobs are scarce, please dont fill the country with more benefit and job seekers!!

cristi25med says...
9:39am Fri 25 Jan 13

Good day everyone. I'm a Romanian. Don't worry, i will not emigrate even tho the only foreign language i know (decent enough) is English.
I am a doctor, i find decent work here, i love my country (way better weather, come and visit sometimes), and i don't want to be seen as a emigrant by people around me, even tho i am 1.94 meters tall, blond and blue-eyed, people will know by my accent.
But why are you afraid of romanian and bulgarian people? As much as i know, Romania has one of the lowest murder rates in the whole EU, and even now, after 4 hard years, is still safe to go around everywhere here!...except gipsy neighbourhoods.
Romanian people are WHITE, SKILLED, CHRISTIAN, ADAPT QUICLY and are willing to work and blend in! You can say that for how many muslim and sout-asians you have in the UK?
Give them a chance, you will like ROmanians.

lillylou says...
9:46am Fri 25 Jan 13

course there move here there not gonna go to somewhere like poynings!but cameron loves immigrants doesnt he all these lies about no money he wants all the brits working to pay for these romanians eeeeyuk they make my skin crawl

DRACULA69 says...
9:48am Fri 25 Jan 13

WHAT IS YOUR COUNTRY OFFERING???BAD FOOD,**** WEATHER ,UGLY GIRLS AND EXPENSIVE BEER!!ALLYOURS!
COMPARED TO ENGLISH (NOT ALL)ROMANIANS(NOT ALL) THEY KNOW MINIMUM A SECOND LANGUAGE AND YOU...ONLY KNOW ENGLISH!WE ROMANIAS HAVE BEAUTIFUL GIRLS,GOOD FOOD ,NICE WEATHER,CHEAP BEER SO...NO THANK YOU

Morpheus says...
9:49am Fri 25 Jan 13

What about the people already living here without a home and job? Is he telling them to stay away as well?

cristi25med says...
9:50am Fri 25 Jan 13

lillylou wrote:
course there move here there not gonna go to somewhere like poynings!but cameron loves immigrants doesnt he all these lies about no money he wants all the brits working to pay for these romanians eeeeyuk they make my skin crawl
If a romanian can write your own language better than you,maybe you do deserve them (the romanians). Go back to school, try to be better not just born native!

cristi25med says...
9:53am Fri 25 Jan 13

Morpheus wrote:
What about the people already living here without a home and job? Is he telling them to stay away as well?
What;s up with that? If in Bucharest one has no home or job, one leaves the city and goes somewhere else. You want to know why?! :) We don't have BENEFITS. No one lives decen on the state's expense! At least not in a big city!....so the problem is : are there too many migrants or ar there too many benefits that attract migrants?

Brightonlad86 says...
11:40am Fri 25 Jan 13

Dave At Home wrote:
NickBrt wrote:
Give them a caravan and a 4 by 4 then Jason will fall over himself to give them all the help under the sun at OUR expense. At least Estern Eurpopeans work, don;'t discriminate against them.
Exactly, if the so called locals don't want to work, then they will work and work hard for their money so let them in, why should Kitkat say any different, at least their taxes will keep him in a job, that probably an East European could do a hell of a lot better than him. Maybe that is what he is afraid of.
Read again..

It clearly states that those without a job should stay away!

I want to work. Unfortunately, due to the construction industry getting plagued with foreign workers there is very little work out there.

The jobs and homes we do have should be given to British people. Those who do not want to work, force it upon them and give them performance related benefits!

Ricayboy says...
12:27pm Fri 25 Jan 13

This is bound to be controversial in a city where the ruling elite is fanatical about minority rights, but there is nothing xenophobic about the comments made. It is simply a statement of fact. England in general and Brighton in particular simply do not have the homes, jobs and resources to welcome vast numbers of incomers. There simply have to be limits to how many people this small country and small city can accomodate. Not to mention the fact that having a lot of different cultural groups can fragment society and utterly change the character of a place, often very quickly and with little thought to the effects on the locals.

Ricayboy says...
12:29pm Fri 25 Jan 13

DRACULA69 wrote:
WHAT IS YOUR COUNTRY OFFERING???BAD FOOD,**** WEATHER ,UGLY GIRLS AND EXPENSIVE BEER!!ALLYOURS!
COMPARED TO ENGLISH (NOT ALL)ROMANIANS(NOT ALL) THEY KNOW MINIMUM A SECOND LANGUAGE AND YOU...ONLY KNOW ENGLISH!WE ROMANIAS HAVE BEAUTIFUL GIRLS,GOOD FOOD ,NICE WEATHER,CHEAP BEER SO...NO THANK YOU
Try using Google to translate next time mate.

Athena says...
12:58pm Fri 25 Jan 13

Ricayboy wrote:
This is bound to be controversial in a city where the ruling elite is fanatical about minority rights, but there is nothing xenophobic about the comments made. It is simply a statement of fact. England in general and Brighton in particular simply do not have the homes, jobs and resources to welcome vast numbers of incomers. There simply have to be limits to how many people this small country and small city can accomodate. Not to mention the fact that having a lot of different cultural groups can fragment society and utterly change the character of a place, often very quickly and with little thought to the effects on the locals.
Spot on.

twinglemum says...
1:18pm Fri 25 Jan 13

If Brighton is to continue to have the influx of migrants that we have experienced in the past few years surely, unless all Brightonians up and leave, it will simply grind to a halt. There are not enough school places for 2013 and this will now be a problem every year, many schools have to employ translators as migrant children do not speak english and you cannot get a drs appointment for at least a week and then when you do go, as happened to me last week, every other patient in the waiting room had a translator provided. Not just Brighton but obviously the UK has to look urgently at how we get on top of this situation.

goodsam says...
1:19pm Fri 25 Jan 13

cristi25med wrote:
Good day everyone. I'm a Romanian. Don't worry, i will not emigrate even tho the only foreign language i know (decent enough) is English.
I am a doctor, i find decent work here, i love my country (way better weather, come and visit sometimes), and i don't want to be seen as a emigrant by people around me, even tho i am 1.94 meters tall, blond and blue-eyed, people will know by my accent.
But why are you afraid of romanian and bulgarian people? As much as i know, Romania has one of the lowest murder rates in the whole EU, and even now, after 4 hard years, is still safe to go around everywhere here!...except gipsy neighbourhoods.
Romanian people are WHITE, SKILLED, CHRISTIAN, ADAPT QUICLY and are willing to work and blend in! You can say that for how many muslim and sout-asians you have in the UK?
Give them a chance, you will like ROmanians.
While I agree with most things you say, why don't you also tell us, dear colleague and compatriot, how "decent" is the salary for the work you find there and what kind of connections you need for that. Maybe some of us did come here to do a "decent work". The normal people in the UK aren't and shouldn't be afraid of any East-European wanting to work, if they get a job BEFORE coming to the UK. Actually, as someone has already mentionned, the title of the article is deceitful; I find the declaration in the article quite fair.

DRACULA69 says...
1:46pm Fri 25 Jan 13

Ricayboy wrote:
DRACULA69 wrote: WHAT IS YOUR COUNTRY OFFERING???BAD FOOD,**** WEATHER ,UGLY GIRLS AND EXPENSIVE BEER!!ALLYOURS! COMPARED TO ENGLISH (NOT ALL)ROMANIANS(NOT ALL) THEY KNOW MINIMUM A SECOND LANGUAGE AND YOU...ONLY KNOW ENGLISH!WE ROMANIAS HAVE BEAUTIFUL GIRLS,GOOD FOOD ,NICE WEATHER,CHEAP BEER SO...NO THANK YOU
Try using Google to translate next time mate.
You whant me to translate this in Romanian!what use man you only can speak english!yes i know my gramatic is rubish and my spelling mistakes are huge ,but what the hell i can speak in the end of the day 3 languege!how many can you speack?without using Google!!just triyng to make a point hope didnt offend you!

jamus77 says...
2:42pm Fri 25 Jan 13

imnotpc wrote:
BUT...if your gay come on down! lol hahahahahaha
Hilarious. You're a real wag, you. 'I'm not PC?' Fair enough, but you are a racist, homophobic, misogynistic arse, which is much worse. Now go away, you tedious little man.

cristi25med says...
3:15pm Fri 25 Jan 13

goodsam wrote:
cristi25med wrote:
Good day everyone. I'm a Romanian. Don't worry, i will not emigrate even tho the only foreign language i know (decent enough) is English.
I am a doctor, i find decent work here, i love my country (way better weather, come and visit sometimes), and i don't want to be seen as a emigrant by people around me, even tho i am 1.94 meters tall, blond and blue-eyed, people will know by my accent.
But why are you afraid of romanian and bulgarian people? As much as i know, Romania has one of the lowest murder rates in the whole EU, and even now, after 4 hard years, is still safe to go around everywhere here!...except gipsy neighbourhoods.
Romanian people are WHITE, SKILLED, CHRISTIAN, ADAPT QUICLY and are willing to work and blend in! You can say that for how many muslim and sout-asians you have in the UK?
Give them a chance, you will like ROmanians.
While I agree with most things you say, why don't you also tell us, dear colleague and compatriot, how "decent" is the salary for the work you find there and what kind of connections you need for that. Maybe some of us did come here to do a "decent work". The normal people in the UK aren't and shouldn't be afraid of any East-European wanting to work, if they get a job BEFORE coming to the UK. Actually, as someone has already mentionned, the title of the article is deceitful; I find the declaration in the article quite fair.
Well, don't know if you get to read this, but i will tell you :)
First of all i don't work for the state, i work for myself. Second, i don't have a hospital specialization, i am a GP or family medic. I work around 10 hours/day at my own "work medicine clinic" ,at someone's practice and i do ECG's at home. After all the expenses and taxes i make about 4000 ron, or about 900 euros, or 700 ponds/month. For Bucharest, and being only 29 years old i find this sufficient.
I also have friends working abroad and doing a great job, skilled people that wanted a better life without much struggle....I choosed the hard path, having 3 jobs, working on the ambulance, etc. Many of us don't have the antreperenorial spirit in them, i grew up like this, wanting to do my own stuff, to be my own employer.

Sorry about the offtopic Brighton People, but i still claim people from romania should be given a chance, especially when replacing the muslim hordes (if they do so)

micklin says...
3:32pm Fri 25 Jan 13

we dont need them or want them!! if they cant find work they will turn to thieving like in London, close the boarders now before its too late!!!

Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit says...
4:03pm Fri 25 Jan 13

Ricayboy wrote:
This is bound to be controversial in a city where the ruling elite is fanatical about minority rights, but there is nothing xenophobic about the comments made. It is simply a statement of fact. England in general and Brighton in particular simply do not have the homes, jobs and resources to welcome vast numbers of incomers. There simply have to be limits to how many people this small country and small city can accomodate. Not to mention the fact that having a lot of different cultural groups can fragment society and utterly change the character of a place, often very quickly and with little thought to the effects on the locals.
Very true, Ten years ago you'd have been (wrongly) denounced as a racist of the very worst kind for expressing that sort of view, now it's mainstream opinion.

I have no objection whatsoever to migrants, but also I accept that it means more roads (the Bexhill/Hastings one is just a start), more transport, more housing/industrial estates, more power stations etc. In other words: more people = more development.

Fairfax Sakes says...
4:03pm Fri 25 Jan 13

Doomed! We're all doomed!

george smith says...
4:21pm Fri 25 Jan 13

Was it Kitcats Polish wife who called us inbreds? not really integration more like overtaken.

imnotpc says...
7:00pm Fri 25 Jan 13

John60 wrote:
No thanks! I left London to get away from those nasty racist and homophobic peasants!
yawn zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

imnotpc says...
7:03pm Fri 25 Jan 13

cristi25med wrote:
Good day everyone. I'm a Romanian. Don't worry, i will not emigrate even tho the only foreign language i know (decent enough) is English.
I am a doctor, i find decent work here, i love my country (way better weather, come and visit sometimes), and i don't want to be seen as a emigrant by people around me, even tho i am 1.94 meters tall, blond and blue-eyed, people will know by my accent.
But why are you afraid of romanian and bulgarian people? As much as i know, Romania has one of the lowest murder rates in the whole EU, and even now, after 4 hard years, is still safe to go around everywhere here!...except gipsy neighbourhoods.
Romanian people are WHITE, SKILLED, CHRISTIAN, ADAPT QUICLY and are willing to work and blend in! You can say that for how many muslim and sout-asians you have in the UK?
Give them a chance, you will like ROmanians.
hi,i have dealt with many romanians in my business and its true they are very nice people.

imnotpc says...
7:05pm Fri 25 Jan 13

Ricayboy wrote:
This is bound to be controversial in a city where the ruling elite is fanatical about minority rights, but there is nothing xenophobic about the comments made. It is simply a statement of fact. England in general and Brighton in particular simply do not have the homes, jobs and resources to welcome vast numbers of incomers. There simply have to be limits to how many people this small country and small city can accomodate. Not to mention the fact that having a lot of different cultural groups can fragment society and utterly change the character of a place, often very quickly and with little thought to the effects on the locals.
well said

PorkBoat says...
8:43pm Fri 25 Jan 13

............"What have the Romanians ever done for us? "........

Alan G Skinner says...
9:41pm Fri 25 Jan 13

Nobody is saying everyone from Bulgaria and Romania are criminals, not decent people. However the question here is one of logistics. Bulgarians and Romanians WILL be a burden on the benefits system, they WILL be a burden on housing, they WILL be a burden on transport, the NHS, Education the Jobs market. Many will work for cash and will not pay NI or Tax. The majority that is earned will be sent "home". For once it is time to look after number one, for once we must protect British people. This country is supposedly a democracy, so listen to the people and stop unsustainable immigration which is destroying Great Britain.

John Steed says...
10:31pm Fri 25 Jan 13

as someone who has been to romania many times and spent a signifigant amount of time there i have got to point out a few home truths, most posts on this subject are rubbish, and bear no resemblance to fact. only Alan G Skinner, speaks the truth.
romanians as a race are NOT violent people, that includes the al capones
In all my trips there I have never worried about walking around the towns and villages, day or night and that includes villages/areas with high or total gypsy populations
they will happily use the system to their advantage but why not everyone else does. no body can estimate the numbers, and currently the true number of east europeans and baltic state citizens in the uk is not known and very fluid., however a significant proportion work legaly pay tax and NI often long hours at minimum wage with no job security.
maybe we should have followed the noweigan model, which ensures not a single job that can be allocated to an unemplyed norwegian is given to a migrant worker unless there is not a norwegian to do the job.
if you want to make it difficult for migrant labour, ensure that the lazy dope smoking idlers who lay in bed half the day get a job, but there again these home grown idlers are basically unemployable, the migrant workers in the main want to work. the romanians have a term parazit (parasite) and best believe it we have more of them homegrown than they have waiting to come here.

Athena says...
1:03am Sat 26 Jan 13

Alan G Skinner wrote:
Nobody is saying everyone from Bulgaria and Romania are criminals, not decent people. However the question here is one of logistics. Bulgarians and Romanians WILL be a burden on the benefits system, they WILL be a burden on housing, they WILL be a burden on transport, the NHS, Education the Jobs market. Many will work for cash and will not pay NI or Tax. The majority that is earned will be sent "home". For once it is time to look after number one, for once we must protect British people. This country is supposedly a democracy, so listen to the people and stop unsustainable immigration which is destroying Great Britain.
Bravo.

Unbias says...
5:38am Sat 26 Jan 13

PorkBoat wrote:
............"Wh
at have the Romanians ever done for us? "........
Sanitation, roads, schools the aquaduct........so said our fathers father fathers father ;)

(PorkBoat great bit of humour there)

BornInBrighton1968 says...
6:46am Sat 26 Jan 13

george smith wrote:
Was it Kitcats Polish wife who called us inbreds? not really integration more like overtaken.
Kitcat was considered by many in the Green party to be 'Heir Presumptive' to '5-Homes' Lucas.

His wife's comments about people born in Brighton being inbred finished off his chances

Ballroom Blitz says...
10:11am Sat 26 Jan 13

Indigatio wrote:
RaduGO wrote:
You are complaining to much without considering the benefits. I never heard someone complaining that the immigrants are contributing to much to GNP or about the revenues of the British companies from Romania or Bulgaria. There are also a lot British born criminals on the loose but I assume it is much is easy to blame the foreigners. Perhaps in a few years you will write in the history books that the London riots from 2011 were planned by the Romanians and Bulgarians and not by the British born hooligans and criminals.
I was talking about organised crime not public disorder. I was also not saying that there are not British criminals, of course there are. I was trying to emphasis the fact that the East Eurpean criminal is a different breed to the home grown ones. They have a different mind set and are certainly a lot more violent. Open borders have advantages but they also have a downside and we need to ensure that safeguards are in place.
The safeguard would be to not allow anyone in with a criminal record. That would be easy enough, surely?

Ballroom Blitz says...
10:14am Sat 26 Jan 13

We had a Bulgarian student stay with us, and a nicer, more polite person would have been hard to find.
So don't tar all foreigners with the same brush.
He was far harder working than any of the other students we have had stay with us!

Ballroom Blitz says...
10:16am Sat 26 Jan 13

micklin wrote:
we dont need them or want them!! if they cant find work they will turn to thieving like in London, close the boarders now before its too late!!!
You might be taken more seriously if you could spell.

The internets wisest man says...
11:39am Sat 26 Jan 13

Everyone needs to be alert. Our country needs lerts.

hubby says...
12:12pm Sat 26 Jan 13

I have Bulgarian and Romanian friends here in Spain.They are all working,because if you don't work then you don't eat.
There were a few gypsies who were begging,but they got booted out PDQ.
Britain is too soft.
It doesn't look after its own people as well as it looks after others.

Ricayboy says...
1:06pm Sat 26 Jan 13

DRACULA69 wrote:
Ricayboy wrote:
DRACULA69 wrote: WHAT IS YOUR COUNTRY OFFERING???BAD FOOD,**** WEATHER ,UGLY GIRLS AND EXPENSIVE BEER!!ALLYOURS! COMPARED TO ENGLISH (NOT ALL)ROMANIANS(NOT ALL) THEY KNOW MINIMUM A SECOND LANGUAGE AND YOU...ONLY KNOW ENGLISH!WE ROMANIAS HAVE BEAUTIFUL GIRLS,GOOD FOOD ,NICE WEATHER,CHEAP BEER SO...NO THANK YOU
Try using Google to translate next time mate.
You whant me to translate this in Romanian!what use man you only can speak english!yes i know my gramatic is rubish and my spelling mistakes are huge ,but what the hell i can speak in the end of the day 3 languege!how many can you speack?without using Google!!just triyng to make a point hope didnt offend you!
I speak three languages as well actually and am learning a fourth, but no need to show off about it.

Wedding Horses says...
1:08pm Sat 26 Jan 13

Porkboat, this is what the Romanians did for us.
http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?feature=pla
yer_detailpage&v=dkV
XcwE4ZGg
I am an Englishman married to a Romanian Girl and I live in Romania with a far better standard of life than in the UK. I won't be coming back there again. It is safe on the Streets here and crime is almost non existent as Criminals are jailed instead of like in the UK where they are sent Home.

Ricayboy says...
1:12pm Sat 26 Jan 13

What I don't get is that all migrants and immigrants are presented by lefties as virtuous heroes who leave the comfort of their homelands to come over to old Blighty and do the jobs that no 'Brits' apparently want to do, being a bunch of indolent wasters. While undoubtedly many of them are hard working and industrious (though not all) and while there are indeed lazy British people, we should stop viewing migrants as some kind of martyrs to whom we owe a debt we can never repay for 'enriching' our previously 'boring' culture. Migrants do not come here for the good of this country, they come here for themselves and their families. And they receive many advantages here that we would never enjoy if we emigrated to their countries. Indeed, despite the lefty notion that all Brits are xenophobic, I wonder how welcoming people like the Poles would be if we flooded their country with cheap labour.

Ballroom Blitz says...
1:52pm Sat 26 Jan 13

Ricayboy wrote:
What I don't get is that all migrants and immigrants are presented by lefties as virtuous heroes who leave the comfort of their homelands to come over to old Blighty and do the jobs that no 'Brits' apparently want to do, being a bunch of indolent wasters. While undoubtedly many of them are hard working and industrious (though not all) and while there are indeed lazy British people, we should stop viewing migrants as some kind of martyrs to whom we owe a debt we can never repay for 'enriching' our previously 'boring' culture. Migrants do not come here for the good of this country, they come here for themselves and their families. And they receive many advantages here that we would never enjoy if we emigrated to their countries. Indeed, despite the lefty notion that all Brits are xenophobic, I wonder how welcoming people like the Poles would be if we flooded their country with cheap labour.
You can go to Poland and work anytime you want... but first you will have to learn to speak their language as well as most of them manage to speak English.
As polish is a notoriously difficult language, I think you might have quite a job on your hands!
That might be one the reasons why the traffic is pretty much one way.

lillylou says...
2:10pm Sat 26 Jan 13

There's aload of um in Eastbourne they wear rags and steal at carboot sales they are not gona make uk great they are thieves and beggars evan when they don't need to beg cos that get benifits it's in there nature good bye Britain !!!

Ricayboy says...
3:33pm Sat 26 Jan 13

Ballroom Blitz wrote:
Ricayboy wrote:
What I don't get is that all migrants and immigrants are presented by lefties as virtuous heroes who leave the comfort of their homelands to come over to old Blighty and do the jobs that no 'Brits' apparently want to do, being a bunch of indolent wasters. While undoubtedly many of them are hard working and industrious (though not all) and while there are indeed lazy British people, we should stop viewing migrants as some kind of martyrs to whom we owe a debt we can never repay for 'enriching' our previously 'boring' culture. Migrants do not come here for the good of this country, they come here for themselves and their families. And they receive many advantages here that we would never enjoy if we emigrated to their countries. Indeed, despite the lefty notion that all Brits are xenophobic, I wonder how welcoming people like the Poles would be if we flooded their country with cheap labour.
You can go to Poland and work anytime you want... but first you will have to learn to speak their language as well as most of them manage to speak English.
As polish is a notoriously difficult language, I think you might have quite a job on your hands!
That might be one the reasons why the traffic is pretty much one way.
As I speak Ukrainian and Russian, both of which are similar to Polish I expect I'd be able to have a decent stab at the lingo.

Seriously though, I wonder which benefits I'd be entitled to in Poland if I fell on hard times. Would there be a free translation service into English from the council?

Athena says...
5:50pm Sat 26 Jan 13

The internets wisest man wrote:
Everyone needs to be alert. Our country needs lerts.
Crumbs! I haven't heard that one since it was on the Noel Edmonds breakfast show in 1974!

PorkBoat says...
6:53pm Sat 26 Jan 13

Ricayboy wrote:
What I don't get is that all migrants and immigrants are presented by lefties as virtuous heroes who leave the comfort of their homelands to come over to old Blighty and do the jobs that no 'Brits' apparently want to do, being a bunch of indolent wasters. While undoubtedly many of them are hard working and industrious (though not all) and while there are indeed lazy British people, we should stop viewing migrants as some kind of martyrs to whom we owe a debt we can never repay for 'enriching' our previously 'boring' culture. Migrants do not come here for the good of this country, they come here for themselves and their families. And they receive many advantages here that we would never enjoy if we emigrated to their countries. Indeed, despite the lefty notion that all Brits are xenophobic, I wonder how welcoming people like the Poles would be if we flooded their country with cheap labour.
Sorry, that's common sense, it won't do you know.

PorkBoat says...
6:54pm Sat 26 Jan 13

Wedding Horses wrote:
Porkboat, this is what the Romanians did for us.
http://www.youtube.c

om/watch?feature=pla

yer_detailpage&v
=dkV
XcwE4ZGg
I am an Englishman married to a Romanian Girl and I live in Romania with a far better standard of life than in the UK. I won't be coming back there again. It is safe on the Streets here and crime is almost non existent as Criminals are jailed instead of like in the UK where they are sent Home.
Wind your neck in...

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=Qc7HmhrgT
uQ

BornInBrighton1968 says...
7:59pm Sat 26 Jan 13

Check out Pippa Bartolotti (bat-sh*t insane leader of the Welsh Green Party), and her comments regarding immigration. (Quote) "Border controls are fundamentally racist, and when the Greens form a government in this country (yeah, right...) we will abolish all order controls; nobody is illegal...,,(unquote
)

Don't forget that Caroline '5 Homes' Lucas is a spokesman (oh, sorry 'spokesperson') for the 'No Borders' pro-mass immigration pressure group

rightback says...
8:36am Sun 27 Jan 13

Oh dear it seems some one at the Argus didn't like my comment about the connection between knife crime in London and immigration! What's wrong Argus afraid of the truth are you!

george smith says...
11:50am Sun 27 Jan 13

BornInBrighton1968 wrote:
Check out Pippa Bartolotti (bat-sh*t insane leader of the Welsh Green Party), and her comments regarding immigration. (Quote) "Border controls are fundamentally racist, and when the Greens form a government in this country (yeah, right...) we will abolish all order controls; nobody is illegal...,,(unquote

)

Don't forget that Caroline '5 Homes' Lucas is a spokesman (oh, sorry 'spokesperson') for the 'No Borders' pro-mass immigration pressure group
I suppose if you have 5 homes in wealthy areas, you are not really affected. Where are her 5 homes?

Zeta Function says...
11:00pm Mon 28 Jan 13

What's required is solidarity among the working and non working poor across Europe.

Difficult to achieve with all the focus on different nationalities.

The European economic experiment is disintegrating.

Zeta Function says...
11:00pm Mon 28 Jan 13

What's required is solidarity among the working and non working poor across Europe.

Difficult to achieve with all the focus on different nationalities.

The European economic experiment is disintegrating.

Zeta Function says...
4:42am Tue 29 Jan 13

Overtime migrants become consumers, then they find the pixie wages insufficient.

Then the next wave of migrants will be arriving.

All 9 of me says...
7:28am Tue 29 Jan 13

dear indigenous population, just take a moment to read your comments, and the poor grammar and punctuation. Then have a moan up.

Athena says...
9:55am Tue 29 Jan 13

All 9 of me wrote:
dear indigenous population, just take a moment to read your comments, and the poor grammar and punctuation. Then have a moan up.
Pot, kettle, black.

All 9 of me says...
6:27pm Tue 29 Jan 13

Athena wrote:
All 9 of me wrote:
dear indigenous population, just take a moment to read your comments, and the poor grammar and punctuation. Then have a moan up.
Pot, kettle, black.
I'm not indigenous why are there so many thickos here ??

Athena says...
6:46pm Tue 29 Jan 13

All 9 of me wrote:
Athena wrote:
All 9 of me wrote:
dear indigenous population, just take a moment to read your comments, and the poor grammar and punctuation. Then have a moan up.
Pot, kettle, black.
I'm not indigenous why are there so many thickos here ??
You could start your message with a capital letter and think about how to use full-stops, commas and hyphens, before you start criticising other people's punctuation.

col' says...
6:55pm Wed 30 Jan 13

cristi25med wrote:
lillylou wrote: course there move here there not gonna go to somewhere like poynings!but cameron loves immigrants doesnt he all these lies about no money he wants all the brits working to pay for these romanians eeeeyuk they make my skin crawl
If a romanian can write your own language better than you,maybe you do deserve them (the romanians). Go back to school, try to be better not just born native!
cristi25med says...
9:50am Fri 25 Jan 13


lillylou wrote:
course there move here there not gonna go to somewhere like poynings!but cameron loves immigrants doesnt he all these lies about no money he wants all the brits working to pay for these romanians eeeeyuk they make my skin crawl
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cristi25med
If a romanian can write your own language better than you,maybe you do deserve them (the romanians). Go back to school, try to be better not just born native!”

Well said cristi25med .... Bine Zis, Prietene.

Thetruth666 says...
8:15pm Wed 30 Jan 13

I like trains.

chemical brother says...
3:05am Thu 31 Jan 13

nocando wrote:
So, in conclusion, our council with their hugely epensive vision of the future have no idea what to expect or what might need to be done despite 2 years warning in advance.
You'll have to do better than that kitkat, we've already got you pegged out as a grade A dipstick, for heavens sake get a grip and do what we pay you for.
We're starting to think you might just be making it up as you go along...
Those pesky councillors eh? Not planning for something that nobody can predict?

Maybe, just maybe, they're planning for the non-existent hoards of drug addled benefits cheats the Daily Mail told us would be coming from Poland to destroy the very fabric of English society, when they joined the EU but.. er... didn't turn up.

chemical brother says...
3:09am Thu 31 Jan 13

cristi25med wrote:
goodsam wrote:
cristi25med wrote:
Good day everyone. I'm a Romanian. Don't worry, i will not emigrate even tho the only foreign language i know (decent enough) is English.
I am a doctor, i find decent work here, i love my country (way better weather, come and visit sometimes), and i don't want to be seen as a emigrant by people around me, even tho i am 1.94 meters tall, blond and blue-eyed, people will know by my accent.
But why are you afraid of romanian and bulgarian people? As much as i know, Romania has one of the lowest murder rates in the whole EU, and even now, after 4 hard years, is still safe to go around everywhere here!...except gipsy neighbourhoods.
Romanian people are WHITE, SKILLED, CHRISTIAN, ADAPT QUICLY and are willing to work and blend in! You can say that for how many muslim and sout-asians you have in the UK?
Give them a chance, you will like ROmanians.
While I agree with most things you say, why don't you also tell us, dear colleague and compatriot, how "decent" is the salary for the work you find there and what kind of connections you need for that. Maybe some of us did come here to do a "decent work". The normal people in the UK aren't and shouldn't be afraid of any East-European wanting to work, if they get a job BEFORE coming to the UK. Actually, as someone has already mentionned, the title of the article is deceitful; I find the declaration in the article quite fair.
Well, don't know if you get to read this, but i will tell you :)
First of all i don't work for the state, i work for myself. Second, i don't have a hospital specialization, i am a GP or family medic. I work around 10 hours/day at my own "work medicine clinic" ,at someone's practice and i do ECG's at home. After all the expenses and taxes i make about 4000 ron, or about 900 euros, or 700 ponds/month. For Bucharest, and being only 29 years old i find this sufficient.
I also have friends working abroad and doing a great job, skilled people that wanted a better life without much struggle....I choosed the hard path, having 3 jobs, working on the ambulance, etc. Many of us don't have the antreperenorial spirit in them, i grew up like this, wanting to do my own stuff, to be my own employer.

Sorry about the offtopic Brighton People, but i still claim people from romania should be given a chance, especially when replacing the muslim hordes (if they do so)
Christians?

They're Christians?

Well we don't need any more of them thank you very much.

That's changed my view entirely, Christians make my skin crawl.

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