Nurse, 25, could lose the sight in one eye following March for England violence in Brighton

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An innocent nurse could lose the sight in one eye after being attacked during the March for England.

The 25-year-old Brighton woman, who was not taking part in the march or counter protest, had arranged to meet a friend on the seafront and was heading towards the pier at around 1pm on Sunday.

When she got to the exit area of the car park in the front of the Royal Albion Hotel she was unable to continue because of the large crowds.

She was standing near two men thought to be participants in the march when something hit her in the face and she crouched to the ground with blood coming from her left eye.

Several people went to her aid and she was taken to a nearby ambulance for treatment before being taken to the Sussex Eye Hospital in Brighton by a paramedic car.

At this stage, permanent damage to her eye has not been ruled out.

Detective Chief Inspector Carwyn Hughes, who is leading the investigations into a number of offences alleged to have occurred during the event, said: “It would appear that this lady has been very unfortunate in having coincidentally been close to two men who seem to have been the targets of the missile thrower.

“She recalls that both the men were shaven-headed and had heavily tattooed arms.

“There were a number of minor injuries caused by missile throwers on the day, but this is far more serious and we would like to speak to anyone who witnessed the incident, especially any of the people who went to the woman's aid.”

Please call Sussex Police on 101 quoting 1276 of 21/04.

Did you witness the incident?

Email anna.roberts@theargus.co.uk.

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1:33pm Fri 26 Apr 13

Somethingsarejustwrong says...

Whoever caused this is absolute scum and it serves to illustrate that the screaming lefties are the biggest threat to our country, after the street drinking benefit grabbers that is!
Whoever caused this is absolute scum and it serves to illustrate that the screaming lefties are the biggest threat to our country, after the street drinking benefit grabbers that is! Somethingsarejustwrong
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1:40pm Fri 26 Apr 13

s&k says...

Somethingsarejustwro
ng
wrote:
Whoever caused this is absolute scum and it serves to illustrate that the screaming lefties are the biggest threat to our country, after the street drinking benefit grabbers that is!
Uh?!
[quote][p][bold]Somethingsarejustwro ng[/bold] wrote: Whoever caused this is absolute scum and it serves to illustrate that the screaming lefties are the biggest threat to our country, after the street drinking benefit grabbers that is![/p][/quote]Uh?! s&k
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1:56pm Fri 26 Apr 13

clubrob6 says...

This incident shows the public are NOT safe in such events I hope the woman has a speedy recovery.To me we have extremists both in the march and the counter demonstrators ,most of the trouble is with the counter demonstrators who have their faces covered so obviously out for trouble.In such events the police should remove anyone with their faces covered from either side,you go on a march to show your support publically for whatever your beliefs are so surely if you are prepared to march in public you should be prepared to show your face in public.People have a right to march and protest but the police also have a right to protect the public the counter demonstrators have proved this is not possible in the city centre as the counter demonstrators are using the public as shields.To put it bluntly we have extremists from both parties here with an element just there for trouble ,if they are there peasefully they should show their face or be removed for public safety.
This incident shows the public are NOT safe in such events I hope the woman has a speedy recovery.To me we have extremists both in the march and the counter demonstrators ,most of the trouble is with the counter demonstrators who have their faces covered so obviously out for trouble.In such events the police should remove anyone with their faces covered from either side,you go on a march to show your support publically for whatever your beliefs are so surely if you are prepared to march in public you should be prepared to show your face in public.People have a right to march and protest but the police also have a right to protect the public the counter demonstrators have proved this is not possible in the city centre as the counter demonstrators are using the public as shields.To put it bluntly we have extremists from both parties here with an element just there for trouble ,if they are there peasefully they should show their face or be removed for public safety. clubrob6
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1:57pm Fri 26 Apr 13

RickH says...

Somethingsarejustwro
ng
wrote:
Whoever caused this is absolute scum and it serves to illustrate that the screaming lefties are the biggest threat to our country, after the street drinking benefit grabbers that is!
Seeing as you appear to know who threw the projectile, maybe you should go report it straight away. Or is it really an assumption on your part!
[quote][p][bold]Somethingsarejustwro ng[/bold] wrote: Whoever caused this is absolute scum and it serves to illustrate that the screaming lefties are the biggest threat to our country, after the street drinking benefit grabbers that is![/p][/quote]Seeing as you appear to know who threw the projectile, maybe you should go report it straight away. Or is it really an assumption on your part! RickH
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1:59pm Fri 26 Apr 13

ID Fender says...

Some on here would say this sort of thing doesn't happen. It does, but because it is 'the left' it is swept under the carpet. The amount of starry eyed, celebrate diversity, whistle blowing unwashed types that I saw on Sunday who wanted violence - on their terms - was outstanding.
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Last year (among others) a 10 year old girl was struck by a missile, a glass bottle to be precise, this year we see a totally innocent bystander felled, who may lose the sight in one of her eyes.
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And yet it is us of the 'right' who are portrayed as thugs! Unbelievable.
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Imagine the furore if this poor individual was the victim of an MfE participant.
Some on here would say this sort of thing doesn't happen. It does, but because it is 'the left' it is swept under the carpet. The amount of starry eyed, celebrate diversity, whistle blowing unwashed types that I saw on Sunday who wanted violence - on their terms - was outstanding. . Last year (among others) a 10 year old girl was struck by a missile, a glass bottle to be precise, this year we see a totally innocent bystander felled, who may lose the sight in one of her eyes. . And yet it is us of the 'right' who are portrayed as thugs! Unbelievable. . Imagine the furore if this poor individual was the victim of an MfE participant. ID Fender
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2:07pm Fri 26 Apr 13

Saltdean Resident says...

I hope she makes a full recovery,as I keep saying let the organiser have it in his home town, why here, virtually no one on the march was from Brighton. No march no trouble. Simple. Let the people of Brighton enjoy there city and you can go and march in your home towns, or if you've a point to make, London. London is the seat of government, if you have an issue march there.
I hope she makes a full recovery,as I keep saying let the organiser have it in his home town, why here, virtually no one on the march was from Brighton. No march no trouble. Simple. Let the people of Brighton enjoy there city and you can go and march in your home towns, or if you've a point to make, London. London is the seat of government, if you have an issue march there. Saltdean Resident
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2:14pm Fri 26 Apr 13

ID Fender says...

Saltdean Resident wrote:
I hope she makes a full recovery,as I keep saying let the organiser have it in his home town, why here, virtually no one on the march was from Brighton. No march no trouble. Simple. Let the people of Brighton enjoy there city and you can go and march in your home towns, or if you've a point to make, London. London is the seat of government, if you have an issue march there.
You've missed, or chosen to miss the point here. An innocent person may lose the sight in one eye due to an act of thuggishness by an individual who (it seems obvious) was present to oppose the 'thugs' and 'racists' of MfE.
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Violence such as this should not be tolerated, but this is what you expect when you allow people such as this to roam the streets because they are from the self styled peaceful counter protest.
.
How many students were from London when they ran riot not so long ago?
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The point is the left and their acolytes always seem to be more the aggressor and trouble maker. Police them better and the problems would be far less, it is not a case of where these events take place, it is who takes part that is the issue.
[quote][p][bold]Saltdean Resident[/bold] wrote: I hope she makes a full recovery,as I keep saying let the organiser have it in his home town, why here, virtually no one on the march was from Brighton. No march no trouble. Simple. Let the people of Brighton enjoy there city and you can go and march in your home towns, or if you've a point to make, London. London is the seat of government, if you have an issue march there.[/p][/quote]You've missed, or chosen to miss the point here. An innocent person may lose the sight in one eye due to an act of thuggishness by an individual who (it seems obvious) was present to oppose the 'thugs' and 'racists' of MfE. . Violence such as this should not be tolerated, but this is what you expect when you allow people such as this to roam the streets because they are from the self styled peaceful counter protest. . How many students were from London when they ran riot not so long ago? . The point is the left and their acolytes always seem to be more the aggressor and trouble maker. Police them better and the problems would be far less, it is not a case of where these events take place, it is who takes part that is the issue. ID Fender
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2:25pm Fri 26 Apr 13

qm says...

"both the men were shaven-headed and had heavily tattooed arms"

Have to confess that "lefties" as they are referred to in the above posts are probably not the first group that comes to mind . . . . .
"both the men were shaven-headed and had heavily tattooed arms" Have to confess that "lefties" as they are referred to in the above posts are probably not the first group that comes to mind . . . . . qm
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2:28pm Fri 26 Apr 13

qm says...

Ok . . . I get it . . . . just read the article again . . . . .

Whoever is responsible, I hope she makes a full and speedy recovery, far more important that guessing who's to blame . . . .
Ok . . . I get it . . . . just read the article again . . . . . Whoever is responsible, I hope she makes a full and speedy recovery, far more important that guessing who's to blame . . . . qm
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2:28pm Fri 26 Apr 13

ThinkBrighton says...

Forget whether they are from the left or from the right, the fact remains that they are lawless scum, and BCC allowing there little day out should stand up and take responsibility, if they allow this type of fiasco they should police it right, or pay up for their mistakes
In short, this nurse should sue them for as much as possible and they might learn a little
Forget whether they are from the left or from the right, the fact remains that they are lawless scum, and BCC allowing there little day out should stand up and take responsibility, if they allow this type of fiasco they should police it right, or pay up for their mistakes In short, this nurse should sue them for as much as possible and they might learn a little ThinkBrighton
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2:39pm Fri 26 Apr 13

Saltdean Resident says...

ID Fender wrote:
Saltdean Resident wrote:
I hope she makes a full recovery,as I keep saying let the organiser have it in his home town, why here, virtually no one on the march was from Brighton. No march no trouble. Simple. Let the people of Brighton enjoy there city and you can go and march in your home towns, or if you've a point to make, London. London is the seat of government, if you have an issue march there.
You've missed, or chosen to miss the point here. An innocent person may lose the sight in one eye due to an act of thuggishness by an individual who (it seems obvious) was present to oppose the 'thugs' and 'racists' of MfE.
.
Violence such as this should not be tolerated, but this is what you expect when you allow people such as this to roam the streets because they are from the self styled peaceful counter protest.
.
How many students were from London when they ran riot not so long ago?
.
The point is the left and their acolytes always seem to be more the aggressor and trouble maker. Police them better and the problems would be far less, it is not a case of where these events take place, it is who takes part that is the issue.
The point is I and most if the people I know are fed up with these problems every time they march in our city. You miss the point that these marches have nothing to do with Brighton. As I say, and no one has answered me why someone who lives in a perfectly nice seaside town, Portsmouth, organises the MfE here. It's not wanted and only attracts the violence we see year in year out. The people of Brighton have had enough.
[quote][p][bold]ID Fender[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saltdean Resident[/bold] wrote: I hope she makes a full recovery,as I keep saying let the organiser have it in his home town, why here, virtually no one on the march was from Brighton. No march no trouble. Simple. Let the people of Brighton enjoy there city and you can go and march in your home towns, or if you've a point to make, London. London is the seat of government, if you have an issue march there.[/p][/quote]You've missed, or chosen to miss the point here. An innocent person may lose the sight in one eye due to an act of thuggishness by an individual who (it seems obvious) was present to oppose the 'thugs' and 'racists' of MfE. . Violence such as this should not be tolerated, but this is what you expect when you allow people such as this to roam the streets because they are from the self styled peaceful counter protest. . How many students were from London when they ran riot not so long ago? . The point is the left and their acolytes always seem to be more the aggressor and trouble maker. Police them better and the problems would be far less, it is not a case of where these events take place, it is who takes part that is the issue.[/p][/quote]The point is I and most if the people I know are fed up with these problems every time they march in our city. You miss the point that these marches have nothing to do with Brighton. As I say, and no one has answered me why someone who lives in a perfectly nice seaside town, Portsmouth, organises the MfE here. It's not wanted and only attracts the violence we see year in year out. The people of Brighton have had enough. Saltdean Resident
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2:42pm Fri 26 Apr 13

StyleCop says...

ID Fender wrote:
Saltdean Resident wrote:
I hope she makes a full recovery,as I keep saying let the organiser have it in his home town, why here, virtually no one on the march was from Brighton. No march no trouble. Simple. Let the people of Brighton enjoy there city and you can go and march in your home towns, or if you've a point to make, London. London is the seat of government, if you have an issue march there.
You've missed, or chosen to miss the point here. An innocent person may lose the sight in one eye due to an act of thuggishness by an individual who (it seems obvious) was present to oppose the 'thugs' and 'racists' of MfE.
.
Violence such as this should not be tolerated, but this is what you expect when you allow people such as this to roam the streets because they are from the self styled peaceful counter protest.
.
How many students were from London when they ran riot not so long ago?
.
The point is the left and their acolytes always seem to be more the aggressor and trouble maker. Police them better and the problems would be far less, it is not a case of where these events take place, it is who takes part that is the issue.
Are you therefore saying that there are NO troublemakers on the Right?

AM I to assume that ALL the troublemakers are from the LEFT?

I would beg to differ, the reality is that there are troublemakers in all sections of of our community, regardless of your politics.

You argument is therefore Moot... until both sides accept responsibility for their actions and admits there is a loathsome militant wing associated to each of their causes then there will never be an end to these petty skirmishes and petty sabre rattling that emanates from both sides.

I hope the poor nurse has a speedy recovery so she return to public duty and help treat those in need.
[quote][p][bold]ID Fender[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saltdean Resident[/bold] wrote: I hope she makes a full recovery,as I keep saying let the organiser have it in his home town, why here, virtually no one on the march was from Brighton. No march no trouble. Simple. Let the people of Brighton enjoy there city and you can go and march in your home towns, or if you've a point to make, London. London is the seat of government, if you have an issue march there.[/p][/quote]You've missed, or chosen to miss the point here. An innocent person may lose the sight in one eye due to an act of thuggishness by an individual who (it seems obvious) was present to oppose the 'thugs' and 'racists' of MfE. . Violence such as this should not be tolerated, but this is what you expect when you allow people such as this to roam the streets because they are from the self styled peaceful counter protest. . How many students were from London when they ran riot not so long ago? . The point is the left and their acolytes always seem to be more the aggressor and trouble maker. Police them better and the problems would be far less, it is not a case of where these events take place, it is who takes part that is the issue.[/p][/quote]Are you therefore saying that there are NO troublemakers on the Right? AM I to assume that ALL the troublemakers are from the LEFT? I would beg to differ, the reality is that there are troublemakers in all sections of of our community, regardless of your politics. You argument is therefore Moot... until both sides accept responsibility for their actions and admits there is a loathsome militant wing associated to each of their causes then there will never be an end to these petty skirmishes and petty sabre rattling that emanates from both sides. I hope the poor nurse has a speedy recovery so she return to public duty and help treat those in need. StyleCop
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2:48pm Fri 26 Apr 13

Saltdean Resident says...

StyleCop wrote:
ID Fender wrote:
Saltdean Resident wrote:
I hope she makes a full recovery,as I keep saying let the organiser have it in his home town, why here, virtually no one on the march was from Brighton. No march no trouble. Simple. Let the people of Brighton enjoy there city and you can go and march in your home towns, or if you've a point to make, London. London is the seat of government, if you have an issue march there.
You've missed, or chosen to miss the point here. An innocent person may lose the sight in one eye due to an act of thuggishness by an individual who (it seems obvious) was present to oppose the 'thugs' and 'racists' of MfE.
.
Violence such as this should not be tolerated, but this is what you expect when you allow people such as this to roam the streets because they are from the self styled peaceful counter protest.
.
How many students were from London when they ran riot not so long ago?
.
The point is the left and their acolytes always seem to be more the aggressor and trouble maker. Police them better and the problems would be far less, it is not a case of where these events take place, it is who takes part that is the issue.
Are you therefore saying that there are NO troublemakers on the Right?

AM I to assume that ALL the troublemakers are from the LEFT?

I would beg to differ, the reality is that there are troublemakers in all sections of of our community, regardless of your politics.

You argument is therefore Moot... until both sides accept responsibility for their actions and admits there is a loathsome militant wing associated to each of their causes then there will never be an end to these petty skirmishes and petty sabre rattling that emanates from both sides.

I hope the poor nurse has a speedy recovery so she return to public duty and help treat those in need.
Well said.
[quote][p][bold]StyleCop[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ID Fender[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saltdean Resident[/bold] wrote: I hope she makes a full recovery,as I keep saying let the organiser have it in his home town, why here, virtually no one on the march was from Brighton. No march no trouble. Simple. Let the people of Brighton enjoy there city and you can go and march in your home towns, or if you've a point to make, London. London is the seat of government, if you have an issue march there.[/p][/quote]You've missed, or chosen to miss the point here. An innocent person may lose the sight in one eye due to an act of thuggishness by an individual who (it seems obvious) was present to oppose the 'thugs' and 'racists' of MfE. . Violence such as this should not be tolerated, but this is what you expect when you allow people such as this to roam the streets because they are from the self styled peaceful counter protest. . How many students were from London when they ran riot not so long ago? . The point is the left and their acolytes always seem to be more the aggressor and trouble maker. Police them better and the problems would be far less, it is not a case of where these events take place, it is who takes part that is the issue.[/p][/quote]Are you therefore saying that there are NO troublemakers on the Right? AM I to assume that ALL the troublemakers are from the LEFT? I would beg to differ, the reality is that there are troublemakers in all sections of of our community, regardless of your politics. You argument is therefore Moot... until both sides accept responsibility for their actions and admits there is a loathsome militant wing associated to each of their causes then there will never be an end to these petty skirmishes and petty sabre rattling that emanates from both sides. I hope the poor nurse has a speedy recovery so she return to public duty and help treat those in need.[/p][/quote]Well said. Saltdean Resident
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2:55pm Fri 26 Apr 13

ID Fender says...

StyleCop wrote:
ID Fender wrote:
Saltdean Resident wrote:
I hope she makes a full recovery,as I keep saying let the organiser have it in his home town, why here, virtually no one on the march was from Brighton. No march no trouble. Simple. Let the people of Brighton enjoy there city and you can go and march in your home towns, or if you've a point to make, London. London is the seat of government, if you have an issue march there.
You've missed, or chosen to miss the point here. An innocent person may lose the sight in one eye due to an act of thuggishness by an individual who (it seems obvious) was present to oppose the 'thugs' and 'racists' of MfE.
.
Violence such as this should not be tolerated, but this is what you expect when you allow people such as this to roam the streets because they are from the self styled peaceful counter protest.
.
How many students were from London when they ran riot not so long ago?
.
The point is the left and their acolytes always seem to be more the aggressor and trouble maker. Police them better and the problems would be far less, it is not a case of where these events take place, it is who takes part that is the issue.
Are you therefore saying that there are NO troublemakers on the Right?

AM I to assume that ALL the troublemakers are from the LEFT?

I would beg to differ, the reality is that there are troublemakers in all sections of of our community, regardless of your politics.

You argument is therefore Moot... until both sides accept responsibility for their actions and admits there is a loathsome militant wing associated to each of their causes then there will never be an end to these petty skirmishes and petty sabre rattling that emanates from both sides.

I hope the poor nurse has a speedy recovery so she return to public duty and help treat those in need.
Of course there are trouble makers on the 'right'. There are trouble makers everywhere in life.
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What gets to me though is that it is always seen as a problem afflicting us, the UAF, Hate not Hope and similar put on this 'we are peacefully protesting against the fascists' guise and dupe many people, as was seen at Brighton this weekend, some of them in their higher echelons even carrying convictions for violence...and one of them known as 'Comrade Delta'...well I've said enough.
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I can say however that this weekend just past was marred by left wing violence, both on the seafront and in the streets afterwards...throwin
g stones into crowds is only going to result in one thing - and you've seen that portrayed perfectly in this instance.
[quote][p][bold]StyleCop[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ID Fender[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saltdean Resident[/bold] wrote: I hope she makes a full recovery,as I keep saying let the organiser have it in his home town, why here, virtually no one on the march was from Brighton. No march no trouble. Simple. Let the people of Brighton enjoy there city and you can go and march in your home towns, or if you've a point to make, London. London is the seat of government, if you have an issue march there.[/p][/quote]You've missed, or chosen to miss the point here. An innocent person may lose the sight in one eye due to an act of thuggishness by an individual who (it seems obvious) was present to oppose the 'thugs' and 'racists' of MfE. . Violence such as this should not be tolerated, but this is what you expect when you allow people such as this to roam the streets because they are from the self styled peaceful counter protest. . How many students were from London when they ran riot not so long ago? . The point is the left and their acolytes always seem to be more the aggressor and trouble maker. Police them better and the problems would be far less, it is not a case of where these events take place, it is who takes part that is the issue.[/p][/quote]Are you therefore saying that there are NO troublemakers on the Right? AM I to assume that ALL the troublemakers are from the LEFT? I would beg to differ, the reality is that there are troublemakers in all sections of of our community, regardless of your politics. You argument is therefore Moot... until both sides accept responsibility for their actions and admits there is a loathsome militant wing associated to each of their causes then there will never be an end to these petty skirmishes and petty sabre rattling that emanates from both sides. I hope the poor nurse has a speedy recovery so she return to public duty and help treat those in need.[/p][/quote]Of course there are trouble makers on the 'right'. There are trouble makers everywhere in life. . What gets to me though is that it is always seen as a problem afflicting us, the UAF, Hate not Hope and similar put on this 'we are peacefully protesting against the fascists' guise and dupe many people, as was seen at Brighton this weekend, some of them in their higher echelons even carrying convictions for violence...and one of them known as 'Comrade Delta'...well I've said enough. . I can say however that this weekend just past was marred by left wing violence, both on the seafront and in the streets afterwards...throwin g stones into crowds is only going to result in one thing - and you've seen that portrayed perfectly in this instance. ID Fender
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3:27pm Fri 26 Apr 13

Fight_Back says...

ID Fender wrote:
StyleCop wrote:
ID Fender wrote:
Saltdean Resident wrote:
I hope she makes a full recovery,as I keep saying let the organiser have it in his home town, why here, virtually no one on the march was from Brighton. No march no trouble. Simple. Let the people of Brighton enjoy there city and you can go and march in your home towns, or if you've a point to make, London. London is the seat of government, if you have an issue march there.
You've missed, or chosen to miss the point here. An innocent person may lose the sight in one eye due to an act of thuggishness by an individual who (it seems obvious) was present to oppose the 'thugs' and 'racists' of MfE.
.
Violence such as this should not be tolerated, but this is what you expect when you allow people such as this to roam the streets because they are from the self styled peaceful counter protest.
.
How many students were from London when they ran riot not so long ago?
.
The point is the left and their acolytes always seem to be more the aggressor and trouble maker. Police them better and the problems would be far less, it is not a case of where these events take place, it is who takes part that is the issue.
Are you therefore saying that there are NO troublemakers on the Right?

AM I to assume that ALL the troublemakers are from the LEFT?

I would beg to differ, the reality is that there are troublemakers in all sections of of our community, regardless of your politics.

You argument is therefore Moot... until both sides accept responsibility for their actions and admits there is a loathsome militant wing associated to each of their causes then there will never be an end to these petty skirmishes and petty sabre rattling that emanates from both sides.

I hope the poor nurse has a speedy recovery so she return to public duty and help treat those in need.
Of course there are trouble makers on the 'right'. There are trouble makers everywhere in life.
.
What gets to me though is that it is always seen as a problem afflicting us, the UAF, Hate not Hope and similar put on this 'we are peacefully protesting against the fascists' guise and dupe many people, as was seen at Brighton this weekend, some of them in their higher echelons even carrying convictions for violence...and one of them known as 'Comrade Delta'...well I've said enough.
.
I can say however that this weekend just past was marred by left wing violence, both on the seafront and in the streets afterwards...throwin

g stones into crowds is only going to result in one thing - and you've seen that portrayed perfectly in this instance.
Firstly you make the assumption as to who throw the missile - there is nothing in the story that provides evidence as to who threw it.

Secondly the violence was from both sides.

And finally, the true Brightonians and Hovites would like to see the back of both mindless moronic groups.
[quote][p][bold]ID Fender[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StyleCop[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ID Fender[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saltdean Resident[/bold] wrote: I hope she makes a full recovery,as I keep saying let the organiser have it in his home town, why here, virtually no one on the march was from Brighton. No march no trouble. Simple. Let the people of Brighton enjoy there city and you can go and march in your home towns, or if you've a point to make, London. London is the seat of government, if you have an issue march there.[/p][/quote]You've missed, or chosen to miss the point here. An innocent person may lose the sight in one eye due to an act of thuggishness by an individual who (it seems obvious) was present to oppose the 'thugs' and 'racists' of MfE. . Violence such as this should not be tolerated, but this is what you expect when you allow people such as this to roam the streets because they are from the self styled peaceful counter protest. . How many students were from London when they ran riot not so long ago? . The point is the left and their acolytes always seem to be more the aggressor and trouble maker. Police them better and the problems would be far less, it is not a case of where these events take place, it is who takes part that is the issue.[/p][/quote]Are you therefore saying that there are NO troublemakers on the Right? AM I to assume that ALL the troublemakers are from the LEFT? I would beg to differ, the reality is that there are troublemakers in all sections of of our community, regardless of your politics. You argument is therefore Moot... until both sides accept responsibility for their actions and admits there is a loathsome militant wing associated to each of their causes then there will never be an end to these petty skirmishes and petty sabre rattling that emanates from both sides. I hope the poor nurse has a speedy recovery so she return to public duty and help treat those in need.[/p][/quote]Of course there are trouble makers on the 'right'. There are trouble makers everywhere in life. . What gets to me though is that it is always seen as a problem afflicting us, the UAF, Hate not Hope and similar put on this 'we are peacefully protesting against the fascists' guise and dupe many people, as was seen at Brighton this weekend, some of them in their higher echelons even carrying convictions for violence...and one of them known as 'Comrade Delta'...well I've said enough. . I can say however that this weekend just past was marred by left wing violence, both on the seafront and in the streets afterwards...throwin g stones into crowds is only going to result in one thing - and you've seen that portrayed perfectly in this instance.[/p][/quote]Firstly you make the assumption as to who throw the missile - there is nothing in the story that provides evidence as to who threw it. Secondly the violence was from both sides. And finally, the true Brightonians and Hovites would like to see the back of both mindless moronic groups. Fight_Back
  • Score: 0

3:40pm Fri 26 Apr 13

ID Fender says...

Fight_Back wrote:
ID Fender wrote:
StyleCop wrote:
ID Fender wrote:
Saltdean Resident wrote:
I hope she makes a full recovery,as I keep saying let the organiser have it in his home town, why here, virtually no one on the march was from Brighton. No march no trouble. Simple. Let the people of Brighton enjoy there city and you can go and march in your home towns, or if you've a point to make, London. London is the seat of government, if you have an issue march there.
You've missed, or chosen to miss the point here. An innocent person may lose the sight in one eye due to an act of thuggishness by an individual who (it seems obvious) was present to oppose the 'thugs' and 'racists' of MfE.
.
Violence such as this should not be tolerated, but this is what you expect when you allow people such as this to roam the streets because they are from the self styled peaceful counter protest.
.
How many students were from London when they ran riot not so long ago?
.
The point is the left and their acolytes always seem to be more the aggressor and trouble maker. Police them better and the problems would be far less, it is not a case of where these events take place, it is who takes part that is the issue.
Are you therefore saying that there are NO troublemakers on the Right?

AM I to assume that ALL the troublemakers are from the LEFT?

I would beg to differ, the reality is that there are troublemakers in all sections of of our community, regardless of your politics.

You argument is therefore Moot... until both sides accept responsibility for their actions and admits there is a loathsome militant wing associated to each of their causes then there will never be an end to these petty skirmishes and petty sabre rattling that emanates from both sides.

I hope the poor nurse has a speedy recovery so she return to public duty and help treat those in need.
Of course there are trouble makers on the 'right'. There are trouble makers everywhere in life.
.
What gets to me though is that it is always seen as a problem afflicting us, the UAF, Hate not Hope and similar put on this 'we are peacefully protesting against the fascists' guise and dupe many people, as was seen at Brighton this weekend, some of them in their higher echelons even carrying convictions for violence...and one of them known as 'Comrade Delta'...well I've said enough.
.
I can say however that this weekend just past was marred by left wing violence, both on the seafront and in the streets afterwards...throwin


g stones into crowds is only going to result in one thing - and you've seen that portrayed perfectly in this instance.
Firstly you make the assumption as to who throw the missile - there is nothing in the story that provides evidence as to who threw it.

Secondly the violence was from both sides.

And finally, the true Brightonians and Hovites would like to see the back of both mindless moronic groups.
If you were honest to yourself, you'd have to say it was the great unwashed of the left.
.
If the situation was reversed and this poor woman was standing next to a couple of dread locked, 'Socialist Worker' placard carrying recipients of state benefits when a missile hurled in their direction struck her, would you honestly give me the time of day if I wrote 'you make the assumption as to who throw the missile - there is nothing in the story that provides evidence as to who threw it'?
.
You and I both know from what group that missile originated from, it is folly to deny it.
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ID Fender[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StyleCop[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ID Fender[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saltdean Resident[/bold] wrote: I hope she makes a full recovery,as I keep saying let the organiser have it in his home town, why here, virtually no one on the march was from Brighton. No march no trouble. Simple. Let the people of Brighton enjoy there city and you can go and march in your home towns, or if you've a point to make, London. London is the seat of government, if you have an issue march there.[/p][/quote]You've missed, or chosen to miss the point here. An innocent person may lose the sight in one eye due to an act of thuggishness by an individual who (it seems obvious) was present to oppose the 'thugs' and 'racists' of MfE. . Violence such as this should not be tolerated, but this is what you expect when you allow people such as this to roam the streets because they are from the self styled peaceful counter protest. . How many students were from London when they ran riot not so long ago? . The point is the left and their acolytes always seem to be more the aggressor and trouble maker. Police them better and the problems would be far less, it is not a case of where these events take place, it is who takes part that is the issue.[/p][/quote]Are you therefore saying that there are NO troublemakers on the Right? AM I to assume that ALL the troublemakers are from the LEFT? I would beg to differ, the reality is that there are troublemakers in all sections of of our community, regardless of your politics. You argument is therefore Moot... until both sides accept responsibility for their actions and admits there is a loathsome militant wing associated to each of their causes then there will never be an end to these petty skirmishes and petty sabre rattling that emanates from both sides. I hope the poor nurse has a speedy recovery so she return to public duty and help treat those in need.[/p][/quote]Of course there are trouble makers on the 'right'. There are trouble makers everywhere in life. . What gets to me though is that it is always seen as a problem afflicting us, the UAF, Hate not Hope and similar put on this 'we are peacefully protesting against the fascists' guise and dupe many people, as was seen at Brighton this weekend, some of them in their higher echelons even carrying convictions for violence...and one of them known as 'Comrade Delta'...well I've said enough. . I can say however that this weekend just past was marred by left wing violence, both on the seafront and in the streets afterwards...throwin g stones into crowds is only going to result in one thing - and you've seen that portrayed perfectly in this instance.[/p][/quote]Firstly you make the assumption as to who throw the missile - there is nothing in the story that provides evidence as to who threw it. Secondly the violence was from both sides. And finally, the true Brightonians and Hovites would like to see the back of both mindless moronic groups.[/p][/quote]If you were honest to yourself, you'd have to say it was the great unwashed of the left. . If the situation was reversed and this poor woman was standing next to a couple of dread locked, 'Socialist Worker' placard carrying recipients of state benefits when a missile hurled in their direction struck her, would you honestly give me the time of day if I wrote 'you make the assumption as to who throw the missile - there is nothing in the story that provides evidence as to who threw it'? . You and I both know from what group that missile originated from, it is folly to deny it. ID Fender
  • Score: 0

3:48pm Fri 26 Apr 13

Saltdean Resident says...

ID Fender wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
ID Fender wrote:
StyleCop wrote:
ID Fender wrote:
Saltdean Resident wrote:
I hope she makes a full recovery,as I keep saying let the organiser have it in his home town, why here, virtually no one on the march was from Brighton. No march no trouble. Simple. Let the people of Brighton enjoy there city and you can go and march in your home towns, or if you've a point to make, London. London is the seat of government, if you have an issue march there.
You've missed, or chosen to miss the point here. An innocent person may lose the sight in one eye due to an act of thuggishness by an individual who (it seems obvious) was present to oppose the 'thugs' and 'racists' of MfE.
.
Violence such as this should not be tolerated, but this is what you expect when you allow people such as this to roam the streets because they are from the self styled peaceful counter protest.
.
How many students were from London when they ran riot not so long ago?
.
The point is the left and their acolytes always seem to be more the aggressor and trouble maker. Police them better and the problems would be far less, it is not a case of where these events take place, it is who takes part that is the issue.
Are you therefore saying that there are NO troublemakers on the Right?

AM I to assume that ALL the troublemakers are from the LEFT?

I would beg to differ, the reality is that there are troublemakers in all sections of of our community, regardless of your politics.

You argument is therefore Moot... until both sides accept responsibility for their actions and admits there is a loathsome militant wing associated to each of their causes then there will never be an end to these petty skirmishes and petty sabre rattling that emanates from both sides.

I hope the poor nurse has a speedy recovery so she return to public duty and help treat those in need.
Of course there are trouble makers on the 'right'. There are trouble makers everywhere in life.
.
What gets to me though is that it is always seen as a problem afflicting us, the UAF, Hate not Hope and similar put on this 'we are peacefully protesting against the fascists' guise and dupe many people, as was seen at Brighton this weekend, some of them in their higher echelons even carrying convictions for violence...and one of them known as 'Comrade Delta'...well I've said enough.
.
I can say however that this weekend just past was marred by left wing violence, both on the seafront and in the streets afterwards...throwin



g stones into crowds is only going to result in one thing - and you've seen that portrayed perfectly in this instance.
Firstly you make the assumption as to who throw the missile - there is nothing in the story that provides evidence as to who threw it.

Secondly the violence was from both sides.

And finally, the true Brightonians and Hovites would like to see the back of both mindless moronic groups.
If you were honest to yourself, you'd have to say it was the great unwashed of the left.
.
If the situation was reversed and this poor woman was standing next to a couple of dread locked, 'Socialist Worker' placard carrying recipients of state benefits when a missile hurled in their direction struck her, would you honestly give me the time of day if I wrote 'you make the assumption as to who throw the missile - there is nothing in the story that provides evidence as to who threw it'?
.
You and I both know from what group that missile originated from, it is folly to deny it.
Anyway it's looking like it will be refused next year or moved to a part of town where there will be minimal disruption to the rest of us. Common sense seems to be prevailing.
[quote][p][bold]ID Fender[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ID Fender[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StyleCop[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ID Fender[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saltdean Resident[/bold] wrote: I hope she makes a full recovery,as I keep saying let the organiser have it in his home town, why here, virtually no one on the march was from Brighton. No march no trouble. Simple. Let the people of Brighton enjoy there city and you can go and march in your home towns, or if you've a point to make, London. London is the seat of government, if you have an issue march there.[/p][/quote]You've missed, or chosen to miss the point here. An innocent person may lose the sight in one eye due to an act of thuggishness by an individual who (it seems obvious) was present to oppose the 'thugs' and 'racists' of MfE. . Violence such as this should not be tolerated, but this is what you expect when you allow people such as this to roam the streets because they are from the self styled peaceful counter protest. . How many students were from London when they ran riot not so long ago? . The point is the left and their acolytes always seem to be more the aggressor and trouble maker. Police them better and the problems would be far less, it is not a case of where these events take place, it is who takes part that is the issue.[/p][/quote]Are you therefore saying that there are NO troublemakers on the Right? AM I to assume that ALL the troublemakers are from the LEFT? I would beg to differ, the reality is that there are troublemakers in all sections of of our community, regardless of your politics. You argument is therefore Moot... until both sides accept responsibility for their actions and admits there is a loathsome militant wing associated to each of their causes then there will never be an end to these petty skirmishes and petty sabre rattling that emanates from both sides. I hope the poor nurse has a speedy recovery so she return to public duty and help treat those in need.[/p][/quote]Of course there are trouble makers on the 'right'. There are trouble makers everywhere in life. . What gets to me though is that it is always seen as a problem afflicting us, the UAF, Hate not Hope and similar put on this 'we are peacefully protesting against the fascists' guise and dupe many people, as was seen at Brighton this weekend, some of them in their higher echelons even carrying convictions for violence...and one of them known as 'Comrade Delta'...well I've said enough. . I can say however that this weekend just past was marred by left wing violence, both on the seafront and in the streets afterwards...throwin g stones into crowds is only going to result in one thing - and you've seen that portrayed perfectly in this instance.[/p][/quote]Firstly you make the assumption as to who throw the missile - there is nothing in the story that provides evidence as to who threw it. Secondly the violence was from both sides. And finally, the true Brightonians and Hovites would like to see the back of both mindless moronic groups.[/p][/quote]If you were honest to yourself, you'd have to say it was the great unwashed of the left. . If the situation was reversed and this poor woman was standing next to a couple of dread locked, 'Socialist Worker' placard carrying recipients of state benefits when a missile hurled in their direction struck her, would you honestly give me the time of day if I wrote 'you make the assumption as to who throw the missile - there is nothing in the story that provides evidence as to who threw it'? . You and I both know from what group that missile originated from, it is folly to deny it.[/p][/quote]Anyway it's looking like it will be refused next year or moved to a part of town where there will be minimal disruption to the rest of us. Common sense seems to be prevailing. Saltdean Resident
  • Score: 0

3:52pm Fri 26 Apr 13

StyleCop says...

ID Fender wrote:
StyleCop wrote:
ID Fender wrote:
Saltdean Resident wrote:
I hope she makes a full recovery,as I keep saying let the organiser have it in his home town, why here, virtually no one on the march was from Brighton. No march no trouble. Simple. Let the people of Brighton enjoy there city and you can go and march in your home towns, or if you've a point to make, London. London is the seat of government, if you have an issue march there.
You've missed, or chosen to miss the point here. An innocent person may lose the sight in one eye due to an act of thuggishness by an individual who (it seems obvious) was present to oppose the 'thugs' and 'racists' of MfE.
.
Violence such as this should not be tolerated, but this is what you expect when you allow people such as this to roam the streets because they are from the self styled peaceful counter protest.
.
How many students were from London when they ran riot not so long ago?
.
The point is the left and their acolytes always seem to be more the aggressor and trouble maker. Police them better and the problems would be far less, it is not a case of where these events take place, it is who takes part that is the issue.
Are you therefore saying that there are NO troublemakers on the Right?

AM I to assume that ALL the troublemakers are from the LEFT?

I would beg to differ, the reality is that there are troublemakers in all sections of of our community, regardless of your politics.

You argument is therefore Moot... until both sides accept responsibility for their actions and admits there is a loathsome militant wing associated to each of their causes then there will never be an end to these petty skirmishes and petty sabre rattling that emanates from both sides.

I hope the poor nurse has a speedy recovery so she return to public duty and help treat those in need.
Of course there are trouble makers on the 'right'. There are trouble makers everywhere in life.
.
What gets to me though is that it is always seen as a problem afflicting us, the UAF, Hate not Hope and similar put on this 'we are peacefully protesting against the fascists' guise and dupe many people, as was seen at Brighton this weekend, some of them in their higher echelons even carrying convictions for violence...and one of them known as 'Comrade Delta'...well I've said enough.
.
I can say however that this weekend just past was marred by left wing violence, both on the seafront and in the streets afterwards...throwin

g stones into crowds is only going to result in one thing - and you've seen that portrayed perfectly in this instance.
Indeed - it is a sad fact true - and it is abhorrent that these Left Wing, mask wearing, morale high ground standing, fools think they have the upper hand because they're not the ones being kettled...

I understand your point.

FWIW, Personally speaking, politically I'm more center left and tend towards those that were against the March.

But that doesn't mean, because I didn't agree with the march that I didn't agree with what the March was about - and certainly don't condone violence on any side.

No, far from it, I actually sympathize for the sentiments that the MfE has, regarding the pride associated with being English and subsequent inabilities to have a parade on St Georges day.

I despair that we can't celebrate it in much the same way those from Eire (or not) celebrate St Patricks, or the welsh & Scots do with St Davids & St Andrews...

It doesn't make any logical sense that that's the way it is.

Until you look at the Historical associations of St George with the relatively modern Nationalist Movements in the last 40 years or so...

The NF, The BNP, EDL to name the obvious ones...

The Nations Identity and pride associated to it has been horribly tainted with the old images of gang and street violence & protest carried in these causes.

Regardless of their 'legitimate' claims to be able to celebrate their 'english-ness' (what ever that may be in this post-colonial/modern
/globalism era) - they, the right, have spoilt it for all... and they're left wondering why no one wants to listen to them...

There's no escaping that.

You have to admit that.

Compare that to the stereotypical image of the left wing.

Let's face it, Some beardy, rollie smoking type, selling Socialist Worker from some dodgy tressel table outside M&S on saturday is hardly going to cause much outrage.

And whilst they identify with the hammer & sickle, the nationalist use our everyone else's flag the source for their identity - thus undermining others ability to do the same - without being tarnished by the same right wing agenda.

There's a massive difference.
[quote][p][bold]ID Fender[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StyleCop[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ID Fender[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saltdean Resident[/bold] wrote: I hope she makes a full recovery,as I keep saying let the organiser have it in his home town, why here, virtually no one on the march was from Brighton. No march no trouble. Simple. Let the people of Brighton enjoy there city and you can go and march in your home towns, or if you've a point to make, London. London is the seat of government, if you have an issue march there.[/p][/quote]You've missed, or chosen to miss the point here. An innocent person may lose the sight in one eye due to an act of thuggishness by an individual who (it seems obvious) was present to oppose the 'thugs' and 'racists' of MfE. . Violence such as this should not be tolerated, but this is what you expect when you allow people such as this to roam the streets because they are from the self styled peaceful counter protest. . How many students were from London when they ran riot not so long ago? . The point is the left and their acolytes always seem to be more the aggressor and trouble maker. Police them better and the problems would be far less, it is not a case of where these events take place, it is who takes part that is the issue.[/p][/quote]Are you therefore saying that there are NO troublemakers on the Right? AM I to assume that ALL the troublemakers are from the LEFT? I would beg to differ, the reality is that there are troublemakers in all sections of of our community, regardless of your politics. You argument is therefore Moot... until both sides accept responsibility for their actions and admits there is a loathsome militant wing associated to each of their causes then there will never be an end to these petty skirmishes and petty sabre rattling that emanates from both sides. I hope the poor nurse has a speedy recovery so she return to public duty and help treat those in need.[/p][/quote]Of course there are trouble makers on the 'right'. There are trouble makers everywhere in life. . What gets to me though is that it is always seen as a problem afflicting us, the UAF, Hate not Hope and similar put on this 'we are peacefully protesting against the fascists' guise and dupe many people, as was seen at Brighton this weekend, some of them in their higher echelons even carrying convictions for violence...and one of them known as 'Comrade Delta'...well I've said enough. . I can say however that this weekend just past was marred by left wing violence, both on the seafront and in the streets afterwards...throwin g stones into crowds is only going to result in one thing - and you've seen that portrayed perfectly in this instance.[/p][/quote]Indeed - it is a sad fact true - and it is abhorrent that these Left Wing, mask wearing, morale high ground standing, fools think they have the upper hand because they're not the ones being kettled... I understand your point. FWIW, Personally speaking, politically I'm more center left and tend towards those that were against the March. But that doesn't mean, because I didn't agree with the march that I didn't agree with what the March was about - and certainly don't condone violence on any side. No, far from it, I actually sympathize for the sentiments that the MfE has, regarding the pride associated with being English and subsequent inabilities to have a parade on St Georges day. I despair that we can't celebrate it in much the same way those from Eire (or not) celebrate St Patricks, or the welsh & Scots do with St Davids & St Andrews... It doesn't make any logical sense that that's the way it is. Until you look at the Historical associations of St George with the relatively modern Nationalist Movements in the last 40 years or so... The NF, The BNP, EDL to name the obvious ones... The Nations Identity and pride associated to it has been horribly tainted with the old images of gang and street violence & protest carried in these causes. Regardless of their 'legitimate' claims to be able to celebrate their 'english-ness' (what ever that may be in this post-colonial/modern /globalism era) - they, the right, have spoilt it for all... and they're left wondering why no one wants to listen to them... There's no escaping that. You have to admit that. Compare that to the stereotypical image of the left wing. Let's face it, Some beardy, rollie smoking type, selling Socialist Worker from some dodgy tressel table outside M&S on saturday is hardly going to cause much outrage. And whilst they identify with the hammer & sickle, the nationalist use our everyone else's flag the source for their identity - thus undermining others ability to do the same - without being tarnished by the same right wing agenda. There's a massive difference. StyleCop
  • Score: 0

3:57pm Fri 26 Apr 13

Saltdean Resident says...

StyleCop wrote:
ID Fender wrote:
StyleCop wrote:
ID Fender wrote:
Saltdean Resident wrote:
I hope she makes a full recovery,as I keep saying let the organiser have it in his home town, why here, virtually no one on the march was from Brighton. No march no trouble. Simple. Let the people of Brighton enjoy there city and you can go and march in your home towns, or if you've a point to make, London. London is the seat of government, if you have an issue march there.
You've missed, or chosen to miss the point here. An innocent person may lose the sight in one eye due to an act of thuggishness by an individual who (it seems obvious) was present to oppose the 'thugs' and 'racists' of MfE.
.
Violence such as this should not be tolerated, but this is what you expect when you allow people such as this to roam the streets because they are from the self styled peaceful counter protest.
.
How many students were from London when they ran riot not so long ago?
.
The point is the left and their acolytes always seem to be more the aggressor and trouble maker. Police them better and the problems would be far less, it is not a case of where these events take place, it is who takes part that is the issue.
Are you therefore saying that there are NO troublemakers on the Right?

AM I to assume that ALL the troublemakers are from the LEFT?

I would beg to differ, the reality is that there are troublemakers in all sections of of our community, regardless of your politics.

You argument is therefore Moot... until both sides accept responsibility for their actions and admits there is a loathsome militant wing associated to each of their causes then there will never be an end to these petty skirmishes and petty sabre rattling that emanates from both sides.

I hope the poor nurse has a speedy recovery so she return to public duty and help treat those in need.
Of course there are trouble makers on the 'right'. There are trouble makers everywhere in life.
.
What gets to me though is that it is always seen as a problem afflicting us, the UAF, Hate not Hope and similar put on this 'we are peacefully protesting against the fascists' guise and dupe many people, as was seen at Brighton this weekend, some of them in their higher echelons even carrying convictions for violence...and one of them known as 'Comrade Delta'...well I've said enough.
.
I can say however that this weekend just past was marred by left wing violence, both on the seafront and in the streets afterwards...throwin


g stones into crowds is only going to result in one thing - and you've seen that portrayed perfectly in this instance.
Indeed - it is a sad fact true - and it is abhorrent that these Left Wing, mask wearing, morale high ground standing, fools think they have the upper hand because they're not the ones being kettled...

I understand your point.

FWIW, Personally speaking, politically I'm more center left and tend towards those that were against the March.

But that doesn't mean, because I didn't agree with the march that I didn't agree with what the March was about - and certainly don't condone violence on any side.

No, far from it, I actually sympathize for the sentiments that the MfE has, regarding the pride associated with being English and subsequent inabilities to have a parade on St Georges day.

I despair that we can't celebrate it in much the same way those from Eire (or not) celebrate St Patricks, or the welsh & Scots do with St Davids & St Andrews...

It doesn't make any logical sense that that's the way it is.

Until you look at the Historical associations of St George with the relatively modern Nationalist Movements in the last 40 years or so...

The NF, The BNP, EDL to name the obvious ones...

The Nations Identity and pride associated to it has been horribly tainted with the old images of gang and street violence & protest carried in these causes.

Regardless of their 'legitimate' claims to be able to celebrate their 'english-ness' (what ever that may be in this post-colonial/modern

/globalism era) - they, the right, have spoilt it for all... and they're left wondering why no one wants to listen to them...

There's no escaping that.

You have to admit that.

Compare that to the stereotypical image of the left wing.

Let's face it, Some beardy, rollie smoking type, selling Socialist Worker from some dodgy tressel table outside M&S on saturday is hardly going to cause much outrage.

And whilst they identify with the hammer & sickle, the nationalist use our everyone else's flag the source for their identity - thus undermining others ability to do the same - without being tarnished by the same right wing agenda.

There's a massive difference.
Oh your good, very good.
[quote][p][bold]StyleCop[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ID Fender[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StyleCop[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ID Fender[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saltdean Resident[/bold] wrote: I hope she makes a full recovery,as I keep saying let the organiser have it in his home town, why here, virtually no one on the march was from Brighton. No march no trouble. Simple. Let the people of Brighton enjoy there city and you can go and march in your home towns, or if you've a point to make, London. London is the seat of government, if you have an issue march there.[/p][/quote]You've missed, or chosen to miss the point here. An innocent person may lose the sight in one eye due to an act of thuggishness by an individual who (it seems obvious) was present to oppose the 'thugs' and 'racists' of MfE. . Violence such as this should not be tolerated, but this is what you expect when you allow people such as this to roam the streets because they are from the self styled peaceful counter protest. . How many students were from London when they ran riot not so long ago? . The point is the left and their acolytes always seem to be more the aggressor and trouble maker. Police them better and the problems would be far less, it is not a case of where these events take place, it is who takes part that is the issue.[/p][/quote]Are you therefore saying that there are NO troublemakers on the Right? AM I to assume that ALL the troublemakers are from the LEFT? I would beg to differ, the reality is that there are troublemakers in all sections of of our community, regardless of your politics. You argument is therefore Moot... until both sides accept responsibility for their actions and admits there is a loathsome militant wing associated to each of their causes then there will never be an end to these petty skirmishes and petty sabre rattling that emanates from both sides. I hope the poor nurse has a speedy recovery so she return to public duty and help treat those in need.[/p][/quote]Of course there are trouble makers on the 'right'. There are trouble makers everywhere in life. . What gets to me though is that it is always seen as a problem afflicting us, the UAF, Hate not Hope and similar put on this 'we are peacefully protesting against the fascists' guise and dupe many people, as was seen at Brighton this weekend, some of them in their higher echelons even carrying convictions for violence...and one of them known as 'Comrade Delta'...well I've said enough. . I can say however that this weekend just past was marred by left wing violence, both on the seafront and in the streets afterwards...throwin g stones into crowds is only going to result in one thing - and you've seen that portrayed perfectly in this instance.[/p][/quote]Indeed - it is a sad fact true - and it is abhorrent that these Left Wing, mask wearing, morale high ground standing, fools think they have the upper hand because they're not the ones being kettled... I understand your point. FWIW, Personally speaking, politically I'm more center left and tend towards those that were against the March. But that doesn't mean, because I didn't agree with the march that I didn't agree with what the March was about - and certainly don't condone violence on any side. No, far from it, I actually sympathize for the sentiments that the MfE has, regarding the pride associated with being English and subsequent inabilities to have a parade on St Georges day. I despair that we can't celebrate it in much the same way those from Eire (or not) celebrate St Patricks, or the welsh & Scots do with St Davids & St Andrews... It doesn't make any logical sense that that's the way it is. Until you look at the Historical associations of St George with the relatively modern Nationalist Movements in the last 40 years or so... The NF, The BNP, EDL to name the obvious ones... The Nations Identity and pride associated to it has been horribly tainted with the old images of gang and street violence & protest carried in these causes. Regardless of their 'legitimate' claims to be able to celebrate their 'english-ness' (what ever that may be in this post-colonial/modern /globalism era) - they, the right, have spoilt it for all... and they're left wondering why no one wants to listen to them... There's no escaping that. You have to admit that. Compare that to the stereotypical image of the left wing. Let's face it, Some beardy, rollie smoking type, selling Socialist Worker from some dodgy tressel table outside M&S on saturday is hardly going to cause much outrage. And whilst they identify with the hammer & sickle, the nationalist use our everyone else's flag the source for their identity - thus undermining others ability to do the same - without being tarnished by the same right wing agenda. There's a massive difference.[/p][/quote]Oh your good, very good. Saltdean Resident
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3:58pm Fri 26 Apr 13

Fight_Back says...

ID Fender wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
ID Fender wrote:
StyleCop wrote:
ID Fender wrote:
Saltdean Resident wrote:
I hope she makes a full recovery,as I keep saying let the organiser have it in his home town, why here, virtually no one on the march was from Brighton. No march no trouble. Simple. Let the people of Brighton enjoy there city and you can go and march in your home towns, or if you've a point to make, London. London is the seat of government, if you have an issue march there.
You've missed, or chosen to miss the point here. An innocent person may lose the sight in one eye due to an act of thuggishness by an individual who (it seems obvious) was present to oppose the 'thugs' and 'racists' of MfE.
.
Violence such as this should not be tolerated, but this is what you expect when you allow people such as this to roam the streets because they are from the self styled peaceful counter protest.
.
How many students were from London when they ran riot not so long ago?
.
The point is the left and their acolytes always seem to be more the aggressor and trouble maker. Police them better and the problems would be far less, it is not a case of where these events take place, it is who takes part that is the issue.
Are you therefore saying that there are NO troublemakers on the Right?

AM I to assume that ALL the troublemakers are from the LEFT?

I would beg to differ, the reality is that there are troublemakers in all sections of of our community, regardless of your politics.

You argument is therefore Moot... until both sides accept responsibility for their actions and admits there is a loathsome militant wing associated to each of their causes then there will never be an end to these petty skirmishes and petty sabre rattling that emanates from both sides.

I hope the poor nurse has a speedy recovery so she return to public duty and help treat those in need.
Of course there are trouble makers on the 'right'. There are trouble makers everywhere in life.
.
What gets to me though is that it is always seen as a problem afflicting us, the UAF, Hate not Hope and similar put on this 'we are peacefully protesting against the fascists' guise and dupe many people, as was seen at Brighton this weekend, some of them in their higher echelons even carrying convictions for violence...and one of them known as 'Comrade Delta'...well I've said enough.
.
I can say however that this weekend just past was marred by left wing violence, both on the seafront and in the streets afterwards...throwin



g stones into crowds is only going to result in one thing - and you've seen that portrayed perfectly in this instance.
Firstly you make the assumption as to who throw the missile - there is nothing in the story that provides evidence as to who threw it.

Secondly the violence was from both sides.

And finally, the true Brightonians and Hovites would like to see the back of both mindless moronic groups.
If you were honest to yourself, you'd have to say it was the great unwashed of the left.
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If the situation was reversed and this poor woman was standing next to a couple of dread locked, 'Socialist Worker' placard carrying recipients of state benefits when a missile hurled in their direction struck her, would you honestly give me the time of day if I wrote 'you make the assumption as to who throw the missile - there is nothing in the story that provides evidence as to who threw it'?
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You and I both know from what group that missile originated from, it is folly to deny it.
You might think you know but I certainly don't but it could be because of that massive chip on your shoulder that you think you're so intelligent.

Hopefully both groups will be banned next year because I want my birth city to be for decent human beings not the sub-human lifeforms that infected the wonderful place last weekend.
[quote][p][bold]ID Fender[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ID Fender[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StyleCop[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ID Fender[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saltdean Resident[/bold] wrote: I hope she makes a full recovery,as I keep saying let the organiser have it in his home town, why here, virtually no one on the march was from Brighton. No march no trouble. Simple. Let the people of Brighton enjoy there city and you can go and march in your home towns, or if you've a point to make, London. London is the seat of government, if you have an issue march there.[/p][/quote]You've missed, or chosen to miss the point here. An innocent person may lose the sight in one eye due to an act of thuggishness by an individual who (it seems obvious) was present to oppose the 'thugs' and 'racists' of MfE. . Violence such as this should not be tolerated, but this is what you expect when you allow people such as this to roam the streets because they are from the self styled peaceful counter protest. . How many students were from London when they ran riot not so long ago? . The point is the left and their acolytes always seem to be more the aggressor and trouble maker. Police them better and the problems would be far less, it is not a case of where these events take place, it is who takes part that is the issue.[/p][/quote]Are you therefore saying that there are NO troublemakers on the Right? AM I to assume that ALL the troublemakers are from the LEFT? I would beg to differ, the reality is that there are troublemakers in all sections of of our community, regardless of your politics. You argument is therefore Moot... until both sides accept responsibility for their actions and admits there is a loathsome militant wing associated to each of their causes then there will never be an end to these petty skirmishes and petty sabre rattling that emanates from both sides. I hope the poor nurse has a speedy recovery so she return to public duty and help treat those in need.[/p][/quote]Of course there are trouble makers on the 'right'. There are trouble makers everywhere in life. . What gets to me though is that it is always seen as a problem afflicting us, the UAF, Hate not Hope and similar put on this 'we are peacefully protesting against the fascists' guise and dupe many people, as was seen at Brighton this weekend, some of them in their higher echelons even carrying convictions for violence...and one of them known as 'Comrade Delta'...well I've said enough. . I can say however that this weekend just past was marred by left wing violence, both on the seafront and in the streets afterwards...throwin g stones into crowds is only going to result in one thing - and you've seen that portrayed perfectly in this instance.[/p][/quote]Firstly you make the assumption as to who throw the missile - there is nothing in the story that provides evidence as to who threw it. Secondly the violence was from both sides. And finally, the true Brightonians and Hovites would like to see the back of both mindless moronic groups.[/p][/quote]If you were honest to yourself, you'd have to say it was the great unwashed of the left. . If the situation was reversed and this poor woman was standing next to a couple of dread locked, 'Socialist Worker' placard carrying recipients of state benefits when a missile hurled in their direction struck her, would you honestly give me the time of day if I wrote 'you make the assumption as to who throw the missile - there is nothing in the story that provides evidence as to who threw it'? . You and I both know from what group that missile originated from, it is folly to deny it.[/p][/quote]You might think you know but I certainly don't but it could be because of that massive chip on your shoulder that you think you're so intelligent. Hopefully both groups will be banned next year because I want my birth city to be for decent human beings not the sub-human lifeforms that infected the wonderful place last weekend. Fight_Back
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3:59pm Fri 26 Apr 13

StyleCop says...

Oh, and I'm sure there are people on both sides of the left/right divide that take from the state purse in the form of handouts...

So it's disingenuous for you to use that as a reason to attack the 'socialists'...

What you're saying is like the right wing nationalist movement members are all perfect citizens, who don't require help from the welfare state and don't burden the public purse in any way...

If that's what you feel, then I'm afraid to say it, but you're very much in denial.
Oh, and I'm sure there are people on both sides of the left/right divide that take from the state purse in the form of handouts... So it's disingenuous for you to use that as a reason to attack the 'socialists'... What you're saying is like the right wing nationalist movement members are all perfect citizens, who don't require help from the welfare state and don't burden the public purse in any way... If that's what you feel, then I'm afraid to say it, but you're very much in denial. StyleCop
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4:28pm Fri 26 Apr 13

Arrggh says...

He's also in denial about anyone attending MfE being there to cause trouble.
They're convinced a girl was hit by a bottle last year, Fender says he saw it, but for some strange reason this wasn't reported to the police at the time.
Since last year promises of revenge against commies and homos have been posted on far-right sites.
I hope the injured woman makes a speedy and full recovery.
Only one group applied for permission to protest and this city has indulged them enough.
He's also in denial about anyone attending MfE being there to cause trouble. They're convinced a girl was hit by a bottle last year, Fender says he saw it, but for some strange reason this wasn't reported to the police at the time. Since last year promises of revenge against commies and homos have been posted on far-right sites. I hope the injured woman makes a speedy and full recovery. Only one group applied for permission to protest and this city has indulged them enough. Arrggh
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5:09pm Fri 26 Apr 13

ID Fender says...

Arrggh wrote:
He's also in denial about anyone attending MfE being there to cause trouble.
They're convinced a girl was hit by a bottle last year, Fender says he saw it, but for some strange reason this wasn't reported to the police at the time.
Since last year promises of revenge against commies and homos have been posted on far-right sites.
I hope the injured woman makes a speedy and full recovery.
Only one group applied for permission to protest and this city has indulged them enough.
You're saying then that the 'Argus' got it wrong then? They were duped? No girl was hit by a bottle?
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You keep on saying the incident was not reported to the police - show me your proof of that statement. I challenge you to do so, you keep on repeating that claim so it must be easy to back it up.
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Get over it you clown, the left are a violent bunch of thugs, you only have to open that link I posted on the other thread yesterday to see how violent they are.
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Finally do not accuse us of 'promising revenge against commies and homos', as if it is policy. That is false and just makes you look stupid - more stupid than you already have painted yourself.
[quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: He's also in denial about anyone attending MfE being there to cause trouble. They're convinced a girl was hit by a bottle last year, Fender says he saw it, but for some strange reason this wasn't reported to the police at the time. Since last year promises of revenge against commies and homos have been posted on far-right sites. I hope the injured woman makes a speedy and full recovery. Only one group applied for permission to protest and this city has indulged them enough.[/p][/quote]You're saying then that the 'Argus' got it wrong then? They were duped? No girl was hit by a bottle? . You keep on saying the incident was not reported to the police - show me your proof of that statement. I challenge you to do so, you keep on repeating that claim so it must be easy to back it up. . Get over it you clown, the left are a violent bunch of thugs, you only have to open that link I posted on the other thread yesterday to see how violent they are. . Finally do not accuse us of 'promising revenge against commies and homos', as if it is policy. That is false and just makes you look stupid - more stupid than you already have painted yourself. ID Fender
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5:42pm Fri 26 Apr 13

thevoiceoftruth says...

ID Fender wrote:
Arrggh wrote:
He's also in denial about anyone attending MfE being there to cause trouble.
They're convinced a girl was hit by a bottle last year, Fender says he saw it, but for some strange reason this wasn't reported to the police at the time.
Since last year promises of revenge against commies and homos have been posted on far-right sites.
I hope the injured woman makes a speedy and full recovery.
Only one group applied for permission to protest and this city has indulged them enough.
You're saying then that the 'Argus' got it wrong then? They were duped? No girl was hit by a bottle?
.
You keep on saying the incident was not reported to the police - show me your proof of that statement. I challenge you to do so, you keep on repeating that claim so it must be easy to back it up.
.
Get over it you clown, the left are a violent bunch of thugs, you only have to open that link I posted on the other thread yesterday to see how violent they are.
.
Finally do not accuse us of 'promising revenge against commies and homos', as if it is policy. That is false and just makes you look stupid - more stupid than you already have painted yourself.
The Argus report said the girl didn't go to hospital and continued on the march - which seems unlikely if hit by a glass bottle. Don't let that stop you exaggerating that particular incident though. I thought you were bored of the Argus now? I have to say, if I didn't live in Brighton, I certainly wouldn't be reading it!

I really feel for this woman who was clearly not the intended target and it shows that throwing stuff at people, whatever you may think of their beliefs, is bloody dangerous. I hope she recovers.

Hopefully the march will not be allowed to take place next year.
[quote][p][bold]ID Fender[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: He's also in denial about anyone attending MfE being there to cause trouble. They're convinced a girl was hit by a bottle last year, Fender says he saw it, but for some strange reason this wasn't reported to the police at the time. Since last year promises of revenge against commies and homos have been posted on far-right sites. I hope the injured woman makes a speedy and full recovery. Only one group applied for permission to protest and this city has indulged them enough.[/p][/quote]You're saying then that the 'Argus' got it wrong then? They were duped? No girl was hit by a bottle? . You keep on saying the incident was not reported to the police - show me your proof of that statement. I challenge you to do so, you keep on repeating that claim so it must be easy to back it up. . Get over it you clown, the left are a violent bunch of thugs, you only have to open that link I posted on the other thread yesterday to see how violent they are. . Finally do not accuse us of 'promising revenge against commies and homos', as if it is policy. That is false and just makes you look stupid - more stupid than you already have painted yourself.[/p][/quote]The Argus report said the girl didn't go to hospital and continued on the march - which seems unlikely if hit by a glass bottle. Don't let that stop you exaggerating that particular incident though. I thought you were bored of the Argus now? I have to say, if I didn't live in Brighton, I certainly wouldn't be reading it! I really feel for this woman who was clearly not the intended target and it shows that throwing stuff at people, whatever you may think of their beliefs, is bloody dangerous. I hope she recovers. Hopefully the march will not be allowed to take place next year. thevoiceoftruth
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5:50pm Fri 26 Apr 13

Dan Yack says...

I am very much of the left, but I abhor violence and I think it's a terrible thing for people from the counter-protest to throw missiles at the march, whatever their feelings towards it. I hope the police catch whoever was responsible for this particular incident - it's clearly an idiotic act, if not downright malicious. That said, it seems to me that half the reason that this march is held in Brighton each year is to deliberately provoke an antagonistic reaction from the local population. For one of the marchers to hear of someone getting hurt in the subsequent and ever-so predictable violence and then stand there and say 'oh, nothing to do with me guv, it's all THEIR fault', I personally think that is a little disingenuous. You've gone somewhere to rile people up, fights have broken out and an innocent bystander has been injured, can you not see some sort of causal link there?
I am very much of the left, but I abhor violence and I think it's a terrible thing for people from the counter-protest to throw missiles at the march, whatever their feelings towards it. I hope the police catch whoever was responsible for this particular incident - it's clearly an idiotic act, if not downright malicious. That said, it seems to me that half the reason that this march is held in Brighton each year is to deliberately provoke an antagonistic reaction from the local population. For one of the marchers to hear of someone getting hurt in the subsequent and ever-so predictable violence and then stand there and say 'oh, nothing to do with me guv, it's all THEIR fault', I personally think that is a little disingenuous. You've gone somewhere to rile people up, fights have broken out and an innocent bystander has been injured, can you not see some sort of causal link there? Dan Yack
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5:58pm Fri 26 Apr 13

DiogenesofSinope says...

StyleCop wrote:
ID Fender wrote:
StyleCop wrote:
ID Fender wrote:
Saltdean Resident wrote:
I hope she makes a full recovery,as I keep saying let the organiser have it in his home town, why here, virtually no one on the march was from Brighton. No march no trouble. Simple. Let the people of Brighton enjoy there city and you can go and march in your home towns, or if you've a point to make, London. London is the seat of government, if you have an issue march there.
You've missed, or chosen to miss the point here. An innocent person may lose the sight in one eye due to an act of thuggishness by an individual who (it seems obvious) was present to oppose the 'thugs' and 'racists' of MfE.
.
Violence such as this should not be tolerated, but this is what you expect when you allow people such as this to roam the streets because they are from the self styled peaceful counter protest.
.
How many students were from London when they ran riot not so long ago?
.
The point is the left and their acolytes always seem to be more the aggressor and trouble maker. Police them better and the problems would be far less, it is not a case of where these events take place, it is who takes part that is the issue.
Are you therefore saying that there are NO troublemakers on the Right?

AM I to assume that ALL the troublemakers are from the LEFT?

I would beg to differ, the reality is that there are troublemakers in all sections of of our community, regardless of your politics.

You argument is therefore Moot... until both sides accept responsibility for their actions and admits there is a loathsome militant wing associated to each of their causes then there will never be an end to these petty skirmishes and petty sabre rattling that emanates from both sides.

I hope the poor nurse has a speedy recovery so she return to public duty and help treat those in need.
Of course there are trouble makers on the 'right'. There are trouble makers everywhere in life.
.
What gets to me though is that it is always seen as a problem afflicting us, the UAF, Hate not Hope and similar put on this 'we are peacefully protesting against the fascists' guise and dupe many people, as was seen at Brighton this weekend, some of them in their higher echelons even carrying convictions for violence...and one of them known as 'Comrade Delta'...well I've said enough.
.
I can say however that this weekend just past was marred by left wing violence, both on the seafront and in the streets afterwards...throwin


g stones into crowds is only going to result in one thing - and you've seen that portrayed perfectly in this instance.
Indeed - it is a sad fact true - and it is abhorrent that these Left Wing, mask wearing, morale high ground standing, fools think they have the upper hand because they're not the ones being kettled...

I understand your point.

FWIW, Personally speaking, politically I'm more center left and tend towards those that were against the March.

But that doesn't mean, because I didn't agree with the march that I didn't agree with what the March was about - and certainly don't condone violence on any side.

No, far from it, I actually sympathize for the sentiments that the MfE has, regarding the pride associated with being English and subsequent inabilities to have a parade on St Georges day.

I despair that we can't celebrate it in much the same way those from Eire (or not) celebrate St Patricks, or the welsh & Scots do with St Davids & St Andrews...

It doesn't make any logical sense that that's the way it is.

Until you look at the Historical associations of St George with the relatively modern Nationalist Movements in the last 40 years or so...

The NF, The BNP, EDL to name the obvious ones...

The Nations Identity and pride associated to it has been horribly tainted with the old images of gang and street violence & protest carried in these causes.

Regardless of their 'legitimate' claims to be able to celebrate their 'english-ness' (what ever that may be in this post-colonial/modern

/globalism era) - they, the right, have spoilt it for all... and they're left wondering why no one wants to listen to them...

There's no escaping that.

You have to admit that.

Compare that to the stereotypical image of the left wing.

Let's face it, Some beardy, rollie smoking type, selling Socialist Worker from some dodgy tressel table outside M&S on saturday is hardly going to cause much outrage.

And whilst they identify with the hammer & sickle, the nationalist use our everyone else's flag the source for their identity - thus undermining others ability to do the same - without being tarnished by the same right wing agenda.

There's a massive difference.
Interesting stereotypes, however when I think of the 'left wing' I think of such people as such cuddly people of Mao Zedong, who killed possibly over 70 million; Stalin, who killed over 20 million; Pol Pot, who killed over 1.5 million, Adolf Hitler, who killed up to 12 million (yes the Nazis were left wing!)

Would the left attack people marching for Nepal, Jamaica or Sri Lanka?
The answer would be a resounding 'No' because they are the hateful violent racists.
[quote][p][bold]StyleCop[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ID Fender[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StyleCop[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ID Fender[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saltdean Resident[/bold] wrote: I hope she makes a full recovery,as I keep saying let the organiser have it in his home town, why here, virtually no one on the march was from Brighton. No march no trouble. Simple. Let the people of Brighton enjoy there city and you can go and march in your home towns, or if you've a point to make, London. London is the seat of government, if you have an issue march there.[/p][/quote]You've missed, or chosen to miss the point here. An innocent person may lose the sight in one eye due to an act of thuggishness by an individual who (it seems obvious) was present to oppose the 'thugs' and 'racists' of MfE. . Violence such as this should not be tolerated, but this is what you expect when you allow people such as this to roam the streets because they are from the self styled peaceful counter protest. . How many students were from London when they ran riot not so long ago? . The point is the left and their acolytes always seem to be more the aggressor and trouble maker. Police them better and the problems would be far less, it is not a case of where these events take place, it is who takes part that is the issue.[/p][/quote]Are you therefore saying that there are NO troublemakers on the Right? AM I to assume that ALL the troublemakers are from the LEFT? I would beg to differ, the reality is that there are troublemakers in all sections of of our community, regardless of your politics. You argument is therefore Moot... until both sides accept responsibility for their actions and admits there is a loathsome militant wing associated to each of their causes then there will never be an end to these petty skirmishes and petty sabre rattling that emanates from both sides. I hope the poor nurse has a speedy recovery so she return to public duty and help treat those in need.[/p][/quote]Of course there are trouble makers on the 'right'. There are trouble makers everywhere in life. . What gets to me though is that it is always seen as a problem afflicting us, the UAF, Hate not Hope and similar put on this 'we are peacefully protesting against the fascists' guise and dupe many people, as was seen at Brighton this weekend, some of them in their higher echelons even carrying convictions for violence...and one of them known as 'Comrade Delta'...well I've said enough. . I can say however that this weekend just past was marred by left wing violence, both on the seafront and in the streets afterwards...throwin g stones into crowds is only going to result in one thing - and you've seen that portrayed perfectly in this instance.[/p][/quote]Indeed - it is a sad fact true - and it is abhorrent that these Left Wing, mask wearing, morale high ground standing, fools think they have the upper hand because they're not the ones being kettled... I understand your point. FWIW, Personally speaking, politically I'm more center left and tend towards those that were against the March. But that doesn't mean, because I didn't agree with the march that I didn't agree with what the March was about - and certainly don't condone violence on any side. No, far from it, I actually sympathize for the sentiments that the MfE has, regarding the pride associated with being English and subsequent inabilities to have a parade on St Georges day. I despair that we can't celebrate it in much the same way those from Eire (or not) celebrate St Patricks, or the welsh & Scots do with St Davids & St Andrews... It doesn't make any logical sense that that's the way it is. Until you look at the Historical associations of St George with the relatively modern Nationalist Movements in the last 40 years or so... The NF, The BNP, EDL to name the obvious ones... The Nations Identity and pride associated to it has been horribly tainted with the old images of gang and street violence & protest carried in these causes. Regardless of their 'legitimate' claims to be able to celebrate their 'english-ness' (what ever that may be in this post-colonial/modern /globalism era) - they, the right, have spoilt it for all... and they're left wondering why no one wants to listen to them... There's no escaping that. You have to admit that. Compare that to the stereotypical image of the left wing. Let's face it, Some beardy, rollie smoking type, selling Socialist Worker from some dodgy tressel table outside M&S on saturday is hardly going to cause much outrage. And whilst they identify with the hammer & sickle, the nationalist use our everyone else's flag the source for their identity - thus undermining others ability to do the same - without being tarnished by the same right wing agenda. There's a massive difference.[/p][/quote]Interesting stereotypes, however when I think of the 'left wing' I think of such people as such cuddly people of Mao Zedong, who killed possibly over 70 million; Stalin, who killed over 20 million; Pol Pot, who killed over 1.5 million, Adolf Hitler, who killed up to 12 million (yes the Nazis were left wing!) Would the left attack people marching for Nepal, Jamaica or Sri Lanka? The answer would be a resounding 'No' because they are the hateful violent racists. DiogenesofSinope
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6:06pm Fri 26 Apr 13

Dan Yack says...

DiogenesofSinope - I think instead of getting carried away on your own hyperbole, you need to take a little time to ponder the not-insignificant differences between liberal pro-rights, pro-community, equalitarian left-wingers as found here in Brighton and the racist, totalitarian leftist ogres of history.
DiogenesofSinope - I think instead of getting carried away on your own hyperbole, you need to take a little time to ponder the not-insignificant differences between liberal pro-rights, pro-community, equalitarian left-wingers as found here in Brighton and the racist, totalitarian leftist ogres of history. Dan Yack
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6:16pm Fri 26 Apr 13

DiogenesofSinope says...

Dan Yack wrote:
DiogenesofSinope - I think instead of getting carried away on your own hyperbole, you need to take a little time to ponder the not-insignificant differences between liberal pro-rights, pro-community, equalitarian left-wingers as found here in Brighton and the racist, totalitarian leftist ogres of history.
Possibly, I also need to remember to proof read my post before pressing the 'submit' button!, but the fact remains the most brutal societies in history have their roots in the left and my points are valid.
[quote][p][bold]Dan Yack[/bold] wrote: DiogenesofSinope - I think instead of getting carried away on your own hyperbole, you need to take a little time to ponder the not-insignificant differences between liberal pro-rights, pro-community, equalitarian left-wingers as found here in Brighton and the racist, totalitarian leftist ogres of history.[/p][/quote]Possibly, I also need to remember to proof read my post before pressing the 'submit' button!, but the fact remains the most brutal societies in history have their roots in the left and my points are valid. DiogenesofSinope
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6:29pm Fri 26 Apr 13

Dan Yack says...

DiogenesofSinope - I'm sorry, but it's still a bit of a stretch to go from from "bloke selling the socialist worker outside M&S" to "he probably wants to bring back Hitler". Talking about these extreme examples doesn't help anyone. You possibly vote for the Tories - that's okay, that's your choice and I can conceptualise that without thinking you secretly wish for the return of Pinochet's death squads to rid Brunswick Square of public drinkers.
DiogenesofSinope - I'm sorry, but it's still a bit of a stretch to go from from "bloke selling the socialist worker outside M&S" to "he probably wants to bring back Hitler". Talking about these extreme examples doesn't help anyone. You possibly vote for the Tories - that's okay, that's your choice and I can conceptualise that without thinking you secretly wish for the return of Pinochet's death squads to rid Brunswick Square of public drinkers. Dan Yack
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7:26pm Fri 26 Apr 13

Moderate Left says...

I too was there, to protest peacefully. I was disgusted with some of my fellow counter demonstrators. They were there just for trouble. The missile throwing was from the people with the UAF/SWP banners, the so-called anti-fascists were acting like fascists thugs themselves. I now disassociate myself from the UAF, as it is a front organisation for the SWP, riddled with far left loonies who believe in violent confrontation. I hope the good people of Brighton will see this too.
I too was there, to protest peacefully. I was disgusted with some of my fellow counter demonstrators. They were there just for trouble. The missile throwing was from the people with the UAF/SWP banners, the so-called anti-fascists were acting like fascists thugs themselves. I now disassociate myself from the UAF, as it is a front organisation for the SWP, riddled with far left loonies who believe in violent confrontation. I hope the good people of Brighton will see this too. Moderate Left
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7:26pm Fri 26 Apr 13

Golfer69 says...

Poor woman, the commis should know better, and behave like human beings!!! Not scum.
Poor woman, the commis should know better, and behave like human beings!!! Not scum. Golfer69
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8:43pm Fri 26 Apr 13

Arrggh says...

How long have you read the Argus if you think they're incapable of lazy journalism?
The police report of last years march stated categorically- the question was asked of them- that they had had no reports of injuries to children on the day.
Therefore it wasn't mentioned to them- why wouldn't they mention it otherwise?
Thanks to Diogenes for illustrating the mindset of the marchers- Hitler was left-wing and SWP members are a tiny step from Stalin.
How long have you read the Argus if you think they're incapable of lazy journalism? The police report of last years march stated categorically- the question was asked of them- that they had had no reports of injuries to children on the day. Therefore it wasn't mentioned to them- why wouldn't they mention it otherwise? Thanks to Diogenes for illustrating the mindset of the marchers- Hitler was left-wing and SWP members are a tiny step from Stalin. Arrggh
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8:57pm Fri 26 Apr 13

JHunty says...

morgansgoat wrote:
That's EDL all over, they have a very long history of attacking women, molesting children and various other crimes. They are true vermin that spend most of their lives in prison for stuff like this, lazy scrounging scum that destroy their child support money on alcohol.
EDL are nothing but micro cocked cowards, they spend their time crying about immigrants because it's the only way they can justify their pathetic worthless existance, don't like the way we do things in this country EDL? Well F off out of it then, we don't want you.
Best regards.
Great Britain.
And another thing arrrgh gssssst issssssh mines a pint! Thsansks verree muuuuch
[quote][p][bold]morgansgoat[/bold] wrote: That's EDL all over, they have a very long history of attacking women, molesting children and various other crimes. They are true vermin that spend most of their lives in prison for stuff like this, lazy scrounging scum that destroy their child support money on alcohol. EDL are nothing but micro cocked cowards, they spend their time crying about immigrants because it's the only way they can justify their pathetic worthless existance, don't like the way we do things in this country EDL? Well F off out of it then, we don't want you. Best regards. Great Britain.[/p][/quote]And another thing arrrgh gssssst issssssh mines a pint! Thsansks verree muuuuch JHunty
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9:30pm Fri 26 Apr 13

JHunty says...

Arrggh wrote:
How long have you read the Argus if you think they're incapable of lazy journalism?
The police report of last years march stated categorically- the question was asked of them- that they had had no reports of injuries to children on the day.
Therefore it wasn't mentioned to them- why wouldn't they mention it otherwise?
Thanks to Diogenes for illustrating the mindset of the marchers- Hitler was left-wing and SWP members are a tiny step from Stalin.
Do the police treat people who are injured or would that be the ambulance service?
[quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: How long have you read the Argus if you think they're incapable of lazy journalism? The police report of last years march stated categorically- the question was asked of them- that they had had no reports of injuries to children on the day. Therefore it wasn't mentioned to them- why wouldn't they mention it otherwise? Thanks to Diogenes for illustrating the mindset of the marchers- Hitler was left-wing and SWP members are a tiny step from Stalin.[/p][/quote]Do the police treat people who are injured or would that be the ambulance service? JHunty
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9:39pm Fri 26 Apr 13

scooter boy says...

Saltdean Resident wrote:
I hope she makes a full recovery,as I keep saying let the organiser have it in his home town, why here, virtually no one on the march was from Brighton. No march no trouble. Simple. Let the people of Brighton enjoy there city and you can go and march in your home towns, or if you've a point to make, London. London is the seat of government, if you have an issue march there.
So YOU dictate where people can go?
And YOU still believe in bonded serfdom then?
[quote][p][bold]Saltdean Resident[/bold] wrote: I hope she makes a full recovery,as I keep saying let the organiser have it in his home town, why here, virtually no one on the march was from Brighton. No march no trouble. Simple. Let the people of Brighton enjoy there city and you can go and march in your home towns, or if you've a point to make, London. London is the seat of government, if you have an issue march there.[/p][/quote]So YOU dictate where people can go? And YOU still believe in bonded serfdom then? scooter boy
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9:51pm Fri 26 Apr 13

Arrggh says...

Frequently the police do treat light injuries, they also record crimes when they happen.
Saltdean Resident doesn't dictate where people can go- in this case permission to march is applied for in advance.
For reasons of public safety MfE isn't given permission in other towns- the threats to 'bash the reds' and in one case 'kill a n****r' would have given ample justification.
This would have saved the city the cost of policing and millions lost in trade.
Frequently the police do treat light injuries, they also record crimes when they happen. Saltdean Resident doesn't dictate where people can go- in this case permission to march is applied for in advance. For reasons of public safety MfE isn't given permission in other towns- the threats to 'bash the reds' and in one case 'kill a n****r' would have given ample justification. This would have saved the city the cost of policing and millions lost in trade. Arrggh
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10:34pm Fri 26 Apr 13

B-Rite-On says...

ID Fender wrote:
Some on here would say this sort of thing doesn't happen. It does, but because it is 'the left' it is swept under the carpet. The amount of starry eyed, celebrate diversity, whistle blowing unwashed types that I saw on Sunday who wanted violence - on their terms - was outstanding.
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Last year (among others) a 10 year old girl was struck by a missile, a glass bottle to be precise, this year we see a totally innocent bystander felled, who may lose the sight in one of her eyes.
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And yet it is us of the 'right' who are portrayed as thugs! Unbelievable.
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Imagine the furore if this poor individual was the victim of an MfE participant.
Sorry but last year a ten year old girl was hit by a plastic bottle ...not a glass one ...at least this is the information I was given by police. Or are you saying that the police are liers?

After last year there has been numerous calls of revenge and violence towards Brighton by those on the 'right'. This was why the EDL and Casuals came back to Brighton for the Jubilee weekend where yet again there was violence.

I was again at the counter protest this year. The night before the protest there were warnings going around FB stating to those who were going out on the gay scene to be careful as groups of men were roaming the streets causing trouble. Whilst at the march there were things thrown from both groups ...at one point I had to duck as something was thrown from the MfE group. After the MfE march again on FB the right were applauding the violence that they took part in. Also some of the left took great pride in beating the fash!

The majority of us who counter protest do so peacefully and I am sickened that a minority have lowered themselves to that of MfE/EDL levels and have resorted to violence.

The reason why the right are thought of as thugs is due to their behaviour when in this city and their continued calls for violence against the people of this city.

The police should be able to ban this march due to the violence that always takes place and the amount of evidence on FB which shows the right time and again threatening violence then showing pride at having attacked someone they consider to be left.

This time an innocent person may lose the sight in one eye ...the next time I fear someone may lose their life ...and it won't be someone from UAF or MfE it will be a Brighton resident who just happens to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

EDL marches have been banned by some cities due to violence ...I think Brighton police should look towards doing this ...either that or banning people who have already been arrested at MfE demos ...especially those arrested for violence.
[quote][p][bold]ID Fender[/bold] wrote: Some on here would say this sort of thing doesn't happen. It does, but because it is 'the left' it is swept under the carpet. The amount of starry eyed, celebrate diversity, whistle blowing unwashed types that I saw on Sunday who wanted violence - on their terms - was outstanding. . Last year (among others) a 10 year old girl was struck by a missile, a glass bottle to be precise, this year we see a totally innocent bystander felled, who may lose the sight in one of her eyes. . And yet it is us of the 'right' who are portrayed as thugs! Unbelievable. . Imagine the furore if this poor individual was the victim of an MfE participant.[/p][/quote]Sorry but last year a ten year old girl was hit by a plastic bottle ...not a glass one ...at least this is the information I was given by police. Or are you saying that the police are liers? After last year there has been numerous calls of revenge and violence towards Brighton by those on the 'right'. This was why the EDL and Casuals came back to Brighton for the Jubilee weekend where yet again there was violence. I was again at the counter protest this year. The night before the protest there were warnings going around FB stating to those who were going out on the gay scene to be careful as groups of men were roaming the streets causing trouble. Whilst at the march there were things thrown from both groups ...at one point I had to duck as something was thrown from the MfE group. After the MfE march again on FB the right were applauding the violence that they took part in. Also some of the left took great pride in beating the fash! The majority of us who counter protest do so peacefully and I am sickened that a minority have lowered themselves to that of MfE/EDL levels and have resorted to violence. The reason why the right are thought of as thugs is due to their behaviour when in this city and their continued calls for violence against the people of this city. The police should be able to ban this march due to the violence that always takes place and the amount of evidence on FB which shows the right time and again threatening violence then showing pride at having attacked someone they consider to be left. This time an innocent person may lose the sight in one eye ...the next time I fear someone may lose their life ...and it won't be someone from UAF or MfE it will be a Brighton resident who just happens to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. EDL marches have been banned by some cities due to violence ...I think Brighton police should look towards doing this ...either that or banning people who have already been arrested at MfE demos ...especially those arrested for violence. B-Rite-On
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12:26am Sat 27 Apr 13

StyleCop says...

DiogenesofSinope wrote:
StyleCop wrote:
ID Fender wrote:
StyleCop wrote:
ID Fender wrote:
Saltdean Resident wrote:
I hope she makes a full recovery,as I keep saying let the organiser have it in his home town, why here, virtually no one on the march was from Brighton. No march no trouble. Simple. Let the people of Brighton enjoy there city and you can go and march in your home towns, or if you've a point to make, London. London is the seat of government, if you have an issue march there.
You've missed, or chosen to miss the point here. An innocent person may lose the sight in one eye due to an act of thuggishness by an individual who (it seems obvious) was present to oppose the 'thugs' and 'racists' of MfE.
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Violence such as this should not be tolerated, but this is what you expect when you allow people such as this to roam the streets because they are from the self styled peaceful counter protest.
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How many students were from London when they ran riot not so long ago?
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The point is the left and their acolytes always seem to be more the aggressor and trouble maker. Police them better and the problems would be far less, it is not a case of where these events take place, it is who takes part that is the issue.
Are you therefore saying that there are NO troublemakers on the Right?

AM I to assume that ALL the troublemakers are from the LEFT?

I would beg to differ, the reality is that there are troublemakers in all sections of of our community, regardless of your politics.

You argument is therefore Moot... until both sides accept responsibility for their actions and admits there is a loathsome militant wing associated to each of their causes then there will never be an end to these petty skirmishes and petty sabre rattling that emanates from both sides.

I hope the poor nurse has a speedy recovery so she return to public duty and help treat those in need.
Of course there are trouble makers on the 'right'. There are trouble makers everywhere in life.
.
What gets to me though is that it is always seen as a problem afflicting us, the UAF, Hate not Hope and similar put on this 'we are peacefully protesting against the fascists' guise and dupe many people, as was seen at Brighton this weekend, some of them in their higher echelons even carrying convictions for violence...and one of them known as 'Comrade Delta'...well I've said enough.
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I can say however that this weekend just past was marred by left wing violence, both on the seafront and in the streets afterwards...throwin



g stones into crowds is only going to result in one thing - and you've seen that portrayed perfectly in this instance.
Indeed - it is a sad fact true - and it is abhorrent that these Left Wing, mask wearing, morale high ground standing, fools think they have the upper hand because they're not the ones being kettled...

I understand your point.

FWIW, Personally speaking, politically I'm more center left and tend towards those that were against the March.

But that doesn't mean, because I didn't agree with the march that I didn't agree with what the March was about - and certainly don't condone violence on any side.

No, far from it, I actually sympathize for the sentiments that the MfE has, regarding the pride associated with being English and subsequent inabilities to have a parade on St Georges day.

I despair that we can't celebrate it in much the same way those from Eire (or not) celebrate St Patricks, or the welsh & Scots do with St Davids & St Andrews...

It doesn't make any logical sense that that's the way it is.

Until you look at the Historical associations of St George with the relatively modern Nationalist Movements in the last 40 years or so...

The NF, The BNP, EDL to name the obvious ones...

The Nations Identity and pride associated to it has been horribly tainted with the old images of gang and street violence & protest carried in these causes.

Regardless of their 'legitimate' claims to be able to celebrate their 'english-ness' (what ever that may be in this post-colonial/modern


/globalism era) - they, the right, have spoilt it for all... and they're left wondering why no one wants to listen to them...

There's no escaping that.

You have to admit that.

Compare that to the stereotypical image of the left wing.

Let's face it, Some beardy, rollie smoking type, selling Socialist Worker from some dodgy tressel table outside M&S on saturday is hardly going to cause much outrage.

And whilst they identify with the hammer & sickle, the nationalist use our everyone else's flag the source for their identity - thus undermining others ability to do the same - without being tarnished by the same right wing agenda.

There's a massive difference.
Interesting stereotypes, however when I think of the 'left wing' I think of such people as such cuddly people of Mao Zedong, who killed possibly over 70 million; Stalin, who killed over 20 million; Pol Pot, who killed over 1.5 million, Adolf Hitler, who killed up to 12 million (yes the Nazis were left wing!)

Would the left attack people marching for Nepal, Jamaica or Sri Lanka?
The answer would be a resounding 'No' because they are the hateful violent racists.
Hang on a second... I was referring to the stereotype at a national level... Not on the international stage.

And how, pray tell, is the german national socialist movement of the 30s left wing, their ideology is the very epitome of fascism? Therefore Right wing... That's how the political spectrum is defined - its fairly well established... you can't simply say that Nazism is left wing when that simply isn't true.

And yes, atrocities have been made by both extreme ends of that spectrum.

You cite stalin and chairman Mao... How about Galtiery or Pinochet?

The list goes on.

The point is extremists are called that because they do extreme things and are on opposing sides with opposing views.

But please, don't insult my intelligence by trying to claim the third Reich were part of a left wing conspiracy.
[quote][p][bold]DiogenesofSinope[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StyleCop[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ID Fender[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StyleCop[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ID Fender[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saltdean Resident[/bold] wrote: I hope she makes a full recovery,as I keep saying let the organiser have it in his home town, why here, virtually no one on the march was from Brighton. No march no trouble. Simple. Let the people of Brighton enjoy there city and you can go and march in your home towns, or if you've a point to make, London. London is the seat of government, if you have an issue march there.[/p][/quote]You've missed, or chosen to miss the point here. An innocent person may lose the sight in one eye due to an act of thuggishness by an individual who (it seems obvious) was present to oppose the 'thugs' and 'racists' of MfE. . Violence such as this should not be tolerated, but this is what you expect when you allow people such as this to roam the streets because they are from the self styled peaceful counter protest. . How many students were from London when they ran riot not so long ago? . The point is the left and their acolytes always seem to be more the aggressor and trouble maker. Police them better and the problems would be far less, it is not a case of where these events take place, it is who takes part that is the issue.[/p][/quote]Are you therefore saying that there are NO troublemakers on the Right? AM I to assume that ALL the troublemakers are from the LEFT? I would beg to differ, the reality is that there are troublemakers in all sections of of our community, regardless of your politics. You argument is therefore Moot... until both sides accept responsibility for their actions and admits there is a loathsome militant wing associated to each of their causes then there will never be an end to these petty skirmishes and petty sabre rattling that emanates from both sides. I hope the poor nurse has a speedy recovery so she return to public duty and help treat those in need.[/p][/quote]Of course there are trouble makers on the 'right'. There are trouble makers everywhere in life. . What gets to me though is that it is always seen as a problem afflicting us, the UAF, Hate not Hope and similar put on this 'we are peacefully protesting against the fascists' guise and dupe many people, as was seen at Brighton this weekend, some of them in their higher echelons even carrying convictions for violence...and one of them known as 'Comrade Delta'...well I've said enough. . I can say however that this weekend just past was marred by left wing violence, both on the seafront and in the streets afterwards...throwin g stones into crowds is only going to result in one thing - and you've seen that portrayed perfectly in this instance.[/p][/quote]Indeed - it is a sad fact true - and it is abhorrent that these Left Wing, mask wearing, morale high ground standing, fools think they have the upper hand because they're not the ones being kettled... I understand your point. FWIW, Personally speaking, politically I'm more center left and tend towards those that were against the March. But that doesn't mean, because I didn't agree with the march that I didn't agree with what the March was about - and certainly don't condone violence on any side. No, far from it, I actually sympathize for the sentiments that the MfE has, regarding the pride associated with being English and subsequent inabilities to have a parade on St Georges day. I despair that we can't celebrate it in much the same way those from Eire (or not) celebrate St Patricks, or the welsh & Scots do with St Davids & St Andrews... It doesn't make any logical sense that that's the way it is. Until you look at the Historical associations of St George with the relatively modern Nationalist Movements in the last 40 years or so... The NF, The BNP, EDL to name the obvious ones... The Nations Identity and pride associated to it has been horribly tainted with the old images of gang and street violence & protest carried in these causes. Regardless of their 'legitimate' claims to be able to celebrate their 'english-ness' (what ever that may be in this post-colonial/modern /globalism era) - they, the right, have spoilt it for all... and they're left wondering why no one wants to listen to them... There's no escaping that. You have to admit that. Compare that to the stereotypical image of the left wing. Let's face it, Some beardy, rollie smoking type, selling Socialist Worker from some dodgy tressel table outside M&S on saturday is hardly going to cause much outrage. And whilst they identify with the hammer & sickle, the nationalist use our everyone else's flag the source for their identity - thus undermining others ability to do the same - without being tarnished by the same right wing agenda. There's a massive difference.[/p][/quote]Interesting stereotypes, however when I think of the 'left wing' I think of such people as such cuddly people of Mao Zedong, who killed possibly over 70 million; Stalin, who killed over 20 million; Pol Pot, who killed over 1.5 million, Adolf Hitler, who killed up to 12 million (yes the Nazis were left wing!) Would the left attack people marching for Nepal, Jamaica or Sri Lanka? The answer would be a resounding 'No' because they are the hateful violent racists.[/p][/quote]Hang on a second... I was referring to the stereotype at a national level... Not on the international stage. And how, pray tell, is the german national socialist movement of the 30s left wing, their ideology is the very epitome of fascism? Therefore Right wing... That's how the political spectrum is defined - its fairly well established... you can't simply say that Nazism is left wing when that simply isn't true. And yes, atrocities have been made by both extreme ends of that spectrum. You cite stalin and chairman Mao... How about Galtiery or Pinochet? The list goes on. The point is extremists are called that because they do extreme things and are on opposing sides with opposing views. But please, don't insult my intelligence by trying to claim the third Reich were part of a left wing conspiracy. StyleCop
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12:58am Sat 27 Apr 13

Reality50 says...

Further shame for the fascist Left be they communists Marxists Anarchists or Anglophobes. My thoughts are with this young lady and pray she doesn't lose her sight.
Further shame for the fascist Left be they communists Marxists Anarchists or Anglophobes. My thoughts are with this young lady and pray she doesn't lose her sight. Reality50
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2:54am Sat 27 Apr 13

nosolution says...

StyleCop wrote:
DiogenesofSinope wrote:
StyleCop wrote:
ID Fender wrote:
StyleCop wrote:
ID Fender wrote:
Saltdean Resident wrote: I hope she makes a full recovery,as I keep saying let the organiser have it in his home town, why here, virtually no one on the march was from Brighton. No march no trouble. Simple. Let the people of Brighton enjoy there city and you can go and march in your home towns, or if you've a point to make, London. London is the seat of government, if you have an issue march there.
You've missed, or chosen to miss the point here. An innocent person may lose the sight in one eye due to an act of thuggishness by an individual who (it seems obvious) was present to oppose the 'thugs' and 'racists' of MfE. . Violence such as this should not be tolerated, but this is what you expect when you allow people such as this to roam the streets because they are from the self styled peaceful counter protest. . How many students were from London when they ran riot not so long ago? . The point is the left and their acolytes always seem to be more the aggressor and trouble maker. Police them better and the problems would be far less, it is not a case of where these events take place, it is who takes part that is the issue.
Are you therefore saying that there are NO troublemakers on the Right? AM I to assume that ALL the troublemakers are from the LEFT? I would beg to differ, the reality is that there are troublemakers in all sections of of our community, regardless of your politics. You argument is therefore Moot... until both sides accept responsibility for their actions and admits there is a loathsome militant wing associated to each of their causes then there will never be an end to these petty skirmishes and petty sabre rattling that emanates from both sides. I hope the poor nurse has a speedy recovery so she return to public duty and help treat those in need.
Of course there are trouble makers on the 'right'. There are trouble makers everywhere in life. . What gets to me though is that it is always seen as a problem afflicting us, the UAF, Hate not Hope and similar put on this 'we are peacefully protesting against the fascists' guise and dupe many people, as was seen at Brighton this weekend, some of them in their higher echelons even carrying convictions for violence...and one of them known as 'Comrade Delta'...well I've said enough. . I can say however that this weekend just past was marred by left wing violence, both on the seafront and in the streets afterwards...throwin g stones into crowds is only going to result in one thing - and you've seen that portrayed perfectly in this instance.
Indeed - it is a sad fact true - and it is abhorrent that these Left Wing, mask wearing, morale high ground standing, fools think they have the upper hand because they're not the ones being kettled... I understand your point. FWIW, Personally speaking, politically I'm more center left and tend towards those that were against the March. But that doesn't mean, because I didn't agree with the march that I didn't agree with what the March was about - and certainly don't condone violence on any side. No, far from it, I actually sympathize for the sentiments that the MfE has, regarding the pride associated with being English and subsequent inabilities to have a parade on St Georges day. I despair that we can't celebrate it in much the same way those from Eire (or not) celebrate St Patricks, or the welsh & Scots do with St Davids & St Andrews... It doesn't make any logical sense that that's the way it is. Until you look at the Historical associations of St George with the relatively modern Nationalist Movements in the last 40 years or so... The NF, The BNP, EDL to name the obvious ones... The Nations Identity and pride associated to it has been horribly tainted with the old images of gang and street violence & protest carried in these causes. Regardless of their 'legitimate' claims to be able to celebrate their 'english-ness' (what ever that may be in this post-colonial/modern /globalism era) - they, the right, have spoilt it for all... and they're left wondering why no one wants to listen to them... There's no escaping that. You have to admit that. Compare that to the stereotypical image of the left wing. Let's face it, Some beardy, rollie smoking type, selling Socialist Worker from some dodgy tressel table outside M&S on saturday is hardly going to cause much outrage. And whilst they identify with the hammer & sickle, the nationalist use our everyone else's flag the source for their identity - thus undermining others ability to do the same - without being tarnished by the same right wing agenda. There's a massive difference.
Interesting stereotypes, however when I think of the 'left wing' I think of such people as such cuddly people of Mao Zedong, who killed possibly over 70 million; Stalin, who killed over 20 million; Pol Pot, who killed over 1.5 million, Adolf Hitler, who killed up to 12 million (yes the Nazis were left wing!) Would the left attack people marching for Nepal, Jamaica or Sri Lanka? The answer would be a resounding 'No' because they are the hateful violent racists.
Hang on a second... I was referring to the stereotype at a national level... Not on the international stage. And how, pray tell, is the german national socialist movement of the 30s left wing, their ideology is the very epitome of fascism? Therefore Right wing... That's how the political spectrum is defined - its fairly well established... you can't simply say that Nazism is left wing when that simply isn't true. And yes, atrocities have been made by both extreme ends of that spectrum. You cite stalin and chairman Mao... How about Galtiery or Pinochet? The list goes on. The point is extremists are called that because they do extreme things and are on opposing sides with opposing views. But please, don't insult my intelligence by trying to claim the third Reich were part of a left wing conspiracy.
The clue is in the name:the German Nationalist Socialist movement (nazi) were Socialists!Hitler was a devout anti-capitalist and was allied to communist Russia to begin with.the priincipal difference was the Nazis were rascists(Nationalist
s) but shared with the communists the idea of totaliterian control.Hitler wasn' t actually elected by the German people only by a closed chancellery,was vegetarian and turned on his former allies in communist Russia on a land grab.So, by this reasoning,fascists are left wing extremist totalitarian anti-capitalist nationalists (rascists)
[quote][p][bold]StyleCop[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DiogenesofSinope[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StyleCop[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ID Fender[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StyleCop[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ID Fender[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saltdean Resident[/bold] wrote: I hope she makes a full recovery,as I keep saying let the organiser have it in his home town, why here, virtually no one on the march was from Brighton. No march no trouble. Simple. Let the people of Brighton enjoy there city and you can go and march in your home towns, or if you've a point to make, London. London is the seat of government, if you have an issue march there.[/p][/quote]You've missed, or chosen to miss the point here. An innocent person may lose the sight in one eye due to an act of thuggishness by an individual who (it seems obvious) was present to oppose the 'thugs' and 'racists' of MfE. . Violence such as this should not be tolerated, but this is what you expect when you allow people such as this to roam the streets because they are from the self styled peaceful counter protest. . How many students were from London when they ran riot not so long ago? . The point is the left and their acolytes always seem to be more the aggressor and trouble maker. Police them better and the problems would be far less, it is not a case of where these events take place, it is who takes part that is the issue.[/p][/quote]Are you therefore saying that there are NO troublemakers on the Right? AM I to assume that ALL the troublemakers are from the LEFT? I would beg to differ, the reality is that there are troublemakers in all sections of of our community, regardless of your politics. You argument is therefore Moot... until both sides accept responsibility for their actions and admits there is a loathsome militant wing associated to each of their causes then there will never be an end to these petty skirmishes and petty sabre rattling that emanates from both sides. I hope the poor nurse has a speedy recovery so she return to public duty and help treat those in need.[/p][/quote]Of course there are trouble makers on the 'right'. There are trouble makers everywhere in life. . What gets to me though is that it is always seen as a problem afflicting us, the UAF, Hate not Hope and similar put on this 'we are peacefully protesting against the fascists' guise and dupe many people, as was seen at Brighton this weekend, some of them in their higher echelons even carrying convictions for violence...and one of them known as 'Comrade Delta'...well I've said enough. . I can say however that this weekend just past was marred by left wing violence, both on the seafront and in the streets afterwards...throwin g stones into crowds is only going to result in one thing - and you've seen that portrayed perfectly in this instance.[/p][/quote]Indeed - it is a sad fact true - and it is abhorrent that these Left Wing, mask wearing, morale high ground standing, fools think they have the upper hand because they're not the ones being kettled... I understand your point. FWIW, Personally speaking, politically I'm more center left and tend towards those that were against the March. But that doesn't mean, because I didn't agree with the march that I didn't agree with what the March was about - and certainly don't condone violence on any side. No, far from it, I actually sympathize for the sentiments that the MfE has, regarding the pride associated with being English and subsequent inabilities to have a parade on St Georges day. I despair that we can't celebrate it in much the same way those from Eire (or not) celebrate St Patricks, or the welsh & Scots do with St Davids & St Andrews... It doesn't make any logical sense that that's the way it is. Until you look at the Historical associations of St George with the relatively modern Nationalist Movements in the last 40 years or so... The NF, The BNP, EDL to name the obvious ones... The Nations Identity and pride associated to it has been horribly tainted with the old images of gang and street violence & protest carried in these causes. Regardless of their 'legitimate' claims to be able to celebrate their 'english-ness' (what ever that may be in this post-colonial/modern /globalism era) - they, the right, have spoilt it for all... and they're left wondering why no one wants to listen to them... There's no escaping that. You have to admit that. Compare that to the stereotypical image of the left wing. Let's face it, Some beardy, rollie smoking type, selling Socialist Worker from some dodgy tressel table outside M&S on saturday is hardly going to cause much outrage. And whilst they identify with the hammer & sickle, the nationalist use our everyone else's flag the source for their identity - thus undermining others ability to do the same - without being tarnished by the same right wing agenda. There's a massive difference.[/p][/quote]Interesting stereotypes, however when I think of the 'left wing' I think of such people as such cuddly people of Mao Zedong, who killed possibly over 70 million; Stalin, who killed over 20 million; Pol Pot, who killed over 1.5 million, Adolf Hitler, who killed up to 12 million (yes the Nazis were left wing!) Would the left attack people marching for Nepal, Jamaica or Sri Lanka? The answer would be a resounding 'No' because they are the hateful violent racists.[/p][/quote]Hang on a second... I was referring to the stereotype at a national level... Not on the international stage. And how, pray tell, is the german national socialist movement of the 30s left wing, their ideology is the very epitome of fascism? Therefore Right wing... That's how the political spectrum is defined - its fairly well established... you can't simply say that Nazism is left wing when that simply isn't true. And yes, atrocities have been made by both extreme ends of that spectrum. You cite stalin and chairman Mao... How about Galtiery or Pinochet? The list goes on. The point is extremists are called that because they do extreme things and are on opposing sides with opposing views. But please, don't insult my intelligence by trying to claim the third Reich were part of a left wing conspiracy.[/p][/quote]The clue is in the name:the German Nationalist Socialist movement (nazi) were Socialists!Hitler was a devout anti-capitalist and was allied to communist Russia to begin with.the priincipal difference was the Nazis were rascists(Nationalist s) but shared with the communists the idea of totaliterian control.Hitler wasn' t actually elected by the German people only by a closed chancellery,was vegetarian and turned on his former allies in communist Russia on a land grab.So, by this reasoning,fascists are left wing extremist totalitarian anti-capitalist nationalists (rascists) nosolution
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2:59am Sat 27 Apr 13

nosolution says...

I meant to say in the last sentence the Nazis were left wing etc etc
I meant to say in the last sentence the Nazis were left wing etc etc nosolution
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7:51am Sat 27 Apr 13

Plantpot says...

nosolution wrote:
StyleCop wrote:
DiogenesofSinope wrote:
StyleCop wrote:
ID Fender wrote:
StyleCop wrote:
ID Fender wrote:
Saltdean Resident wrote: I hope she makes a full recovery,as I keep saying let the organiser have it in his home town, why here, virtually no one on the march was from Brighton. No march no trouble. Simple. Let the people of Brighton enjoy there city and you can go and march in your home towns, or if you've a point to make, London. London is the seat of government, if you have an issue march there.
You've missed, or chosen to miss the point here. An innocent person may lose the sight in one eye due to an act of thuggishness by an individual who (it seems obvious) was present to oppose the 'thugs' and 'racists' of MfE. . Violence such as this should not be tolerated, but this is what you expect when you allow people such as this to roam the streets because they are from the self styled peaceful counter protest. . How many students were from London when they ran riot not so long ago? . The point is the left and their acolytes always seem to be more the aggressor and trouble maker. Police them better and the problems would be far less, it is not a case of where these events take place, it is who takes part that is the issue.
Are you therefore saying that there are NO troublemakers on the Right? AM I to assume that ALL the troublemakers are from the LEFT? I would beg to differ, the reality is that there are troublemakers in all sections of of our community, regardless of your politics. You argument is therefore Moot... until both sides accept responsibility for their actions and admits there is a loathsome militant wing associated to each of their causes then there will never be an end to these petty skirmishes and petty sabre rattling that emanates from both sides. I hope the poor nurse has a speedy recovery so she return to public duty and help treat those in need.
Of course there are trouble makers on the 'right'. There are trouble makers everywhere in life. . What gets to me though is that it is always seen as a problem afflicting us, the UAF, Hate not Hope and similar put on this 'we are peacefully protesting against the fascists' guise and dupe many people, as was seen at Brighton this weekend, some of them in their higher echelons even carrying convictions for violence...and one of them known as 'Comrade Delta'...well I've said enough. . I can say however that this weekend just past was marred by left wing violence, both on the seafront and in the streets afterwards...throwin g stones into crowds is only going to result in one thing - and you've seen that portrayed perfectly in this instance.
Indeed - it is a sad fact true - and it is abhorrent that these Left Wing, mask wearing, morale high ground standing, fools think they have the upper hand because they're not the ones being kettled... I understand your point. FWIW, Personally speaking, politically I'm more center left and tend towards those that were against the March. But that doesn't mean, because I didn't agree with the march that I didn't agree with what the March was about - and certainly don't condone violence on any side. No, far from it, I actually sympathize for the sentiments that the MfE has, regarding the pride associated with being English and subsequent inabilities to have a parade on St Georges day. I despair that we can't celebrate it in much the same way those from Eire (or not) celebrate St Patricks, or the welsh & Scots do with St Davids & St Andrews... It doesn't make any logical sense that that's the way it is. Until you look at the Historical associations of St George with the relatively modern Nationalist Movements in the last 40 years or so... The NF, The BNP, EDL to name the obvious ones... The Nations Identity and pride associated to it has been horribly tainted with the old images of gang and street violence & protest carried in these causes. Regardless of their 'legitimate' claims to be able to celebrate their 'english-ness' (what ever that may be in this post-colonial/modern /globalism era) - they, the right, have spoilt it for all... and they're left wondering why no one wants to listen to them... There's no escaping that. You have to admit that. Compare that to the stereotypical image of the left wing. Let's face it, Some beardy, rollie smoking type, selling Socialist Worker from some dodgy tressel table outside M&S on saturday is hardly going to cause much outrage. And whilst they identify with the hammer & sickle, the nationalist use our everyone else's flag the source for their identity - thus undermining others ability to do the same - without being tarnished by the same right wing agenda. There's a massive difference.
Interesting stereotypes, however when I think of the 'left wing' I think of such people as such cuddly people of Mao Zedong, who killed possibly over 70 million; Stalin, who killed over 20 million; Pol Pot, who killed over 1.5 million, Adolf Hitler, who killed up to 12 million (yes the Nazis were left wing!) Would the left attack people marching for Nepal, Jamaica or Sri Lanka? The answer would be a resounding 'No' because they are the hateful violent racists.
Hang on a second... I was referring to the stereotype at a national level... Not on the international stage. And how, pray tell, is the german national socialist movement of the 30s left wing, their ideology is the very epitome of fascism? Therefore Right wing... That's how the political spectrum is defined - its fairly well established... you can't simply say that Nazism is left wing when that simply isn't true. And yes, atrocities have been made by both extreme ends of that spectrum. You cite stalin and chairman Mao... How about Galtiery or Pinochet? The list goes on. The point is extremists are called that because they do extreme things and are on opposing sides with opposing views. But please, don't insult my intelligence by trying to claim the third Reich were part of a left wing conspiracy.
The clue is in the name:the German Nationalist Socialist movement (nazi) were Socialists!Hitler was a devout anti-capitalist and was allied to communist Russia to begin with.the priincipal difference was the Nazis were rascists(Nationalist

s) but shared with the communists the idea of totaliterian control.Hitler wasn' t actually elected by the German people only by a closed chancellery,was vegetarian and turned on his former allies in communist Russia on a land grab.So, by this reasoning,fascists are left wing extremist totalitarian anti-capitalist nationalists (rascists)
I doubt the victims of either regime worried about the subtle differences between extreme left and right regimes.

IME people on the left are every bit as bigoted and intolerant as those on the right. Brighton and Hove is full of it, masquerading as "right on" socialism, whether red or green.
[quote][p][bold]nosolution[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StyleCop[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DiogenesofSinope[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StyleCop[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ID Fender[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StyleCop[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ID Fender[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saltdean Resident[/bold] wrote: I hope she makes a full recovery,as I keep saying let the organiser have it in his home town, why here, virtually no one on the march was from Brighton. No march no trouble. Simple. Let the people of Brighton enjoy there city and you can go and march in your home towns, or if you've a point to make, London. London is the seat of government, if you have an issue march there.[/p][/quote]You've missed, or chosen to miss the point here. An innocent person may lose the sight in one eye due to an act of thuggishness by an individual who (it seems obvious) was present to oppose the 'thugs' and 'racists' of MfE. . Violence such as this should not be tolerated, but this is what you expect when you allow people such as this to roam the streets because they are from the self styled peaceful counter protest. . How many students were from London when they ran riot not so long ago? . The point is the left and their acolytes always seem to be more the aggressor and trouble maker. Police them better and the problems would be far less, it is not a case of where these events take place, it is who takes part that is the issue.[/p][/quote]Are you therefore saying that there are NO troublemakers on the Right? AM I to assume that ALL the troublemakers are from the LEFT? I would beg to differ, the reality is that there are troublemakers in all sections of of our community, regardless of your politics. You argument is therefore Moot... until both sides accept responsibility for their actions and admits there is a loathsome militant wing associated to each of their causes then there will never be an end to these petty skirmishes and petty sabre rattling that emanates from both sides. I hope the poor nurse has a speedy recovery so she return to public duty and help treat those in need.[/p][/quote]Of course there are trouble makers on the 'right'. There are trouble makers everywhere in life. . What gets to me though is that it is always seen as a problem afflicting us, the UAF, Hate not Hope and similar put on this 'we are peacefully protesting against the fascists' guise and dupe many people, as was seen at Brighton this weekend, some of them in their higher echelons even carrying convictions for violence...and one of them known as 'Comrade Delta'...well I've said enough. . I can say however that this weekend just past was marred by left wing violence, both on the seafront and in the streets afterwards...throwin g stones into crowds is only going to result in one thing - and you've seen that portrayed perfectly in this instance.[/p][/quote]Indeed - it is a sad fact true - and it is abhorrent that these Left Wing, mask wearing, morale high ground standing, fools think they have the upper hand because they're not the ones being kettled... I understand your point. FWIW, Personally speaking, politically I'm more center left and tend towards those that were against the March. But that doesn't mean, because I didn't agree with the march that I didn't agree with what the March was about - and certainly don't condone violence on any side. No, far from it, I actually sympathize for the sentiments that the MfE has, regarding the pride associated with being English and subsequent inabilities to have a parade on St Georges day. I despair that we can't celebrate it in much the same way those from Eire (or not) celebrate St Patricks, or the welsh & Scots do with St Davids & St Andrews... It doesn't make any logical sense that that's the way it is. Until you look at the Historical associations of St George with the relatively modern Nationalist Movements in the last 40 years or so... The NF, The BNP, EDL to name the obvious ones... The Nations Identity and pride associated to it has been horribly tainted with the old images of gang and street violence & protest carried in these causes. Regardless of their 'legitimate' claims to be able to celebrate their 'english-ness' (what ever that may be in this post-colonial/modern /globalism era) - they, the right, have spoilt it for all... and they're left wondering why no one wants to listen to them... There's no escaping that. You have to admit that. Compare that to the stereotypical image of the left wing. Let's face it, Some beardy, rollie smoking type, selling Socialist Worker from some dodgy tressel table outside M&S on saturday is hardly going to cause much outrage. And whilst they identify with the hammer & sickle, the nationalist use our everyone else's flag the source for their identity - thus undermining others ability to do the same - without being tarnished by the same right wing agenda. There's a massive difference.[/p][/quote]Interesting stereotypes, however when I think of the 'left wing' I think of such people as such cuddly people of Mao Zedong, who killed possibly over 70 million; Stalin, who killed over 20 million; Pol Pot, who killed over 1.5 million, Adolf Hitler, who killed up to 12 million (yes the Nazis were left wing!) Would the left attack people marching for Nepal, Jamaica or Sri Lanka? The answer would be a resounding 'No' because they are the hateful violent racists.[/p][/quote]Hang on a second... I was referring to the stereotype at a national level... Not on the international stage. And how, pray tell, is the german national socialist movement of the 30s left wing, their ideology is the very epitome of fascism? Therefore Right wing... That's how the political spectrum is defined - its fairly well established... you can't simply say that Nazism is left wing when that simply isn't true. And yes, atrocities have been made by both extreme ends of that spectrum. You cite stalin and chairman Mao... How about Galtiery or Pinochet? The list goes on. The point is extremists are called that because they do extreme things and are on opposing sides with opposing views. But please, don't insult my intelligence by trying to claim the third Reich were part of a left wing conspiracy.[/p][/quote]The clue is in the name:the German Nationalist Socialist movement (nazi) were Socialists!Hitler was a devout anti-capitalist and was allied to communist Russia to begin with.the priincipal difference was the Nazis were rascists(Nationalist s) but shared with the communists the idea of totaliterian control.Hitler wasn' t actually elected by the German people only by a closed chancellery,was vegetarian and turned on his former allies in communist Russia on a land grab.So, by this reasoning,fascists are left wing extremist totalitarian anti-capitalist nationalists (rascists)[/p][/quote]I doubt the victims of either regime worried about the subtle differences between extreme left and right regimes. IME people on the left are every bit as bigoted and intolerant as those on the right. Brighton and Hove is full of it, masquerading as "right on" socialism, whether red or green. Plantpot
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8:15am Sat 27 Apr 13

Saltdean Resident says...

scooter boy wrote:
Saltdean Resident wrote:
I hope she makes a full recovery,as I keep saying let the organiser have it in his home town, why here, virtually no one on the march was from Brighton. No march no trouble. Simple. Let the people of Brighton enjoy there city and you can go and march in your home towns, or if you've a point to make, London. London is the seat of government, if you have an issue march there.
So YOU dictate where people can go?
And YOU still believe in bonded serfdom then?
Err no and no. What I do believe in is the right for the people of Brighton to enjoy their city. I don't just speak for myself but for my neighbours, friends, parents of other children at my sons nursery. Everyone has had enough if it especially as its now costing us hundreds of thousands of pounds for the police to close the seafront and city centre every year. No one has ever answered my question as why march here. Surely there must be a reason why 200 shaven headed, EDL chanting, nazi saluting men pick Brighton for their annual seaside ruck.
[quote][p][bold]scooter boy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saltdean Resident[/bold] wrote: I hope she makes a full recovery,as I keep saying let the organiser have it in his home town, why here, virtually no one on the march was from Brighton. No march no trouble. Simple. Let the people of Brighton enjoy there city and you can go and march in your home towns, or if you've a point to make, London. London is the seat of government, if you have an issue march there.[/p][/quote]So YOU dictate where people can go? And YOU still believe in bonded serfdom then?[/p][/quote]Err no and no. What I do believe in is the right for the people of Brighton to enjoy their city. I don't just speak for myself but for my neighbours, friends, parents of other children at my sons nursery. Everyone has had enough if it especially as its now costing us hundreds of thousands of pounds for the police to close the seafront and city centre every year. No one has ever answered my question as why march here. Surely there must be a reason why 200 shaven headed, EDL chanting, nazi saluting men pick Brighton for their annual seaside ruck. Saltdean Resident
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8:15am Sat 27 Apr 13

Saltdean Resident says...

scooter boy wrote:
Saltdean Resident wrote:
I hope she makes a full recovery,as I keep saying let the organiser have it in his home town, why here, virtually no one on the march was from Brighton. No march no trouble. Simple. Let the people of Brighton enjoy there city and you can go and march in your home towns, or if you've a point to make, London. London is the seat of government, if you have an issue march there.
So YOU dictate where people can go?
And YOU still believe in bonded serfdom then?
Err no and no. What I do believe in is the right for the people of Brighton to enjoy their city. I don't just speak for myself but for my neighbours, friends, parents of other children at my sons nursery. Everyone has had enough if it especially as its now costing us hundreds of thousands of pounds for the police to close the seafront and city centre every year. No one has ever answered my question as why march here. Surely there must be a reason why 200 shaven headed, EDL chanting, nazi saluting men pick Brighton for their annual seaside ruck.
[quote][p][bold]scooter boy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saltdean Resident[/bold] wrote: I hope she makes a full recovery,as I keep saying let the organiser have it in his home town, why here, virtually no one on the march was from Brighton. No march no trouble. Simple. Let the people of Brighton enjoy there city and you can go and march in your home towns, or if you've a point to make, London. London is the seat of government, if you have an issue march there.[/p][/quote]So YOU dictate where people can go? And YOU still believe in bonded serfdom then?[/p][/quote]Err no and no. What I do believe in is the right for the people of Brighton to enjoy their city. I don't just speak for myself but for my neighbours, friends, parents of other children at my sons nursery. Everyone has had enough if it especially as its now costing us hundreds of thousands of pounds for the police to close the seafront and city centre every year. No one has ever answered my question as why march here. Surely there must be a reason why 200 shaven headed, EDL chanting, nazi saluting men pick Brighton for their annual seaside ruck. Saltdean Resident
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9:40am Sat 27 Apr 13

Arrggh says...

The only reasons I've been able to gather for those attending are revenge for being humiliated last year and to show that they go where they want.
Most people in this country are free to go anywhere but for the marchers it doesn't count unless you're telling others that they are no longer English.
I assume this is based on perceived levels of patriotism although their criteria for deciding are unclear.
I D Fender said on the other thread that without the police presence no one would have dared oppose them.
Presumably because they are big and scary but he wouldn't elaborate.
Still not sure who couldn't go anywhere with a three to one police escort.
The only reasons I've been able to gather for those attending are revenge for being humiliated last year and to show that they go where they want. Most people in this country are free to go anywhere but for the marchers it doesn't count unless you're telling others that they are no longer English. I assume this is based on perceived levels of patriotism although their criteria for deciding are unclear. I D Fender said on the other thread that without the police presence no one would have dared oppose them. Presumably because they are big and scary but he wouldn't elaborate. Still not sure who couldn't go anywhere with a three to one police escort. Arrggh
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9:46am Sat 27 Apr 13

Council Pounder says...

ID Fender wrote:
StyleCop wrote:
ID Fender wrote:
Saltdean Resident wrote:
I hope she makes a full recovery,as I keep saying let the organiser have it in his home town, why here, virtually no one on the march was from Brighton. No march no trouble. Simple. Let the people of Brighton enjoy there city and you can go and march in your home towns, or if you've a point to make, London. London is the seat of government, if you have an issue march there.
You've missed, or chosen to miss the point here. An innocent person may lose the sight in one eye due to an act of thuggishness by an individual who (it seems obvious) was present to oppose the 'thugs' and 'racists' of MfE.
.
Violence such as this should not be tolerated, but this is what you expect when you allow people such as this to roam the streets because they are from the self styled peaceful counter protest.
.
How many students were from London when they ran riot not so long ago?
.
The point is the left and their acolytes always seem to be more the aggressor and trouble maker. Police them better and the problems would be far less, it is not a case of where these events take place, it is who takes part that is the issue.
Are you therefore saying that there are NO troublemakers on the Right?

AM I to assume that ALL the troublemakers are from the LEFT?

I would beg to differ, the reality is that there are troublemakers in all sections of of our community, regardless of your politics.

You argument is therefore Moot... until both sides accept responsibility for their actions and admits there is a loathsome militant wing associated to each of their causes then there will never be an end to these petty skirmishes and petty sabre rattling that emanates from both sides.

I hope the poor nurse has a speedy recovery so she return to public duty and help treat those in need.
Of course there are trouble makers on the 'right'. There are trouble makers everywhere in life.
.
What gets to me though is that it is always seen as a problem afflicting us, the UAF, Hate not Hope and similar put on this 'we are peacefully protesting against the fascists' guise and dupe many people, as was seen at Brighton this weekend, some of them in their higher echelons even carrying convictions for violence...and one of them known as 'Comrade Delta'...well I've said enough.
.
I can say however that this weekend just past was marred by left wing violence, both on the seafront and in the streets afterwards...throwin

g stones into crowds is only going to result in one thing - and you've seen that portrayed perfectly in this instance.
If you didn't come here peddling your racist nonsense it wouldn't happen. March in your own back yard and let those of us who live here go about our business without having to witness your knuckle dragging antics.
[quote][p][bold]ID Fender[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StyleCop[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ID Fender[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saltdean Resident[/bold] wrote: I hope she makes a full recovery,as I keep saying let the organiser have it in his home town, why here, virtually no one on the march was from Brighton. No march no trouble. Simple. Let the people of Brighton enjoy there city and you can go and march in your home towns, or if you've a point to make, London. London is the seat of government, if you have an issue march there.[/p][/quote]You've missed, or chosen to miss the point here. An innocent person may lose the sight in one eye due to an act of thuggishness by an individual who (it seems obvious) was present to oppose the 'thugs' and 'racists' of MfE. . Violence such as this should not be tolerated, but this is what you expect when you allow people such as this to roam the streets because they are from the self styled peaceful counter protest. . How many students were from London when they ran riot not so long ago? . The point is the left and their acolytes always seem to be more the aggressor and trouble maker. Police them better and the problems would be far less, it is not a case of where these events take place, it is who takes part that is the issue.[/p][/quote]Are you therefore saying that there are NO troublemakers on the Right? AM I to assume that ALL the troublemakers are from the LEFT? I would beg to differ, the reality is that there are troublemakers in all sections of of our community, regardless of your politics. You argument is therefore Moot... until both sides accept responsibility for their actions and admits there is a loathsome militant wing associated to each of their causes then there will never be an end to these petty skirmishes and petty sabre rattling that emanates from both sides. I hope the poor nurse has a speedy recovery so she return to public duty and help treat those in need.[/p][/quote]Of course there are trouble makers on the 'right'. There are trouble makers everywhere in life. . What gets to me though is that it is always seen as a problem afflicting us, the UAF, Hate not Hope and similar put on this 'we are peacefully protesting against the fascists' guise and dupe many people, as was seen at Brighton this weekend, some of them in their higher echelons even carrying convictions for violence...and one of them known as 'Comrade Delta'...well I've said enough. . I can say however that this weekend just past was marred by left wing violence, both on the seafront and in the streets afterwards...throwin g stones into crowds is only going to result in one thing - and you've seen that portrayed perfectly in this instance.[/p][/quote]If you didn't come here peddling your racist nonsense it wouldn't happen. March in your own back yard and let those of us who live here go about our business without having to witness your knuckle dragging antics. Council Pounder
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10:37am Sat 27 Apr 13

Dangermouse1 says...

Perhaps she is lying. Perhaps she was with the March for England EDL/BNP/NF types and was walking around with a couple of goons looking for trouble like so many of them were. Perhaps she found some....
Perhaps she is lying. Perhaps she was with the March for England EDL/BNP/NF types and was walking around with a couple of goons looking for trouble like so many of them were. Perhaps she found some.... Dangermouse1
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10:44am Sat 27 Apr 13

Arrggh says...

Dangermouse1 wrote:
Perhaps she is lying. Perhaps she was with the March for England EDL/BNP/NF types and was walking around with a couple of goons looking for trouble like so many of them were. Perhaps she found some....
She is described as a Brighton woman so I think it unlikely she was anything to do with the march.
[quote][p][bold]Dangermouse1[/bold] wrote: Perhaps she is lying. Perhaps she was with the March for England EDL/BNP/NF types and was walking around with a couple of goons looking for trouble like so many of them were. Perhaps she found some....[/p][/quote]She is described as a Brighton woman so I think it unlikely she was anything to do with the march. Arrggh
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11:20am Sat 27 Apr 13

Dangermouse1 says...

Yes your right Arrggh, I'm sure if she was from Brighton she would have had nothing to do with the MfE...The story needs more meat on the bones I think.
Yes your right Arrggh, I'm sure if she was from Brighton she would have had nothing to do with the MfE...The story needs more meat on the bones I think. Dangermouse1
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4:46pm Sat 27 Apr 13

tinkle34 says...

A lot of you are bleating on here how much it cost blaming The March for England easy to pass blame.All year round the unwashed protest & do demonstrations through our city center smashing up everywhere,grafitti our walls,stickers everywhere.So Caroline Lucas said peaceful protest sounds like.Maybe you should complain to the Greens about cost as they support these protests & demonstrations all year round.Hope the lady in question has a speedy recovery does make me wonder though was she down there as a leftie unwashed supporter the fact that she managed to mention 2 skin head men covered in tattoos, mind you I suppose with the many unwashed it would have been hard to sniff out the culprits because they all smell the same !!!!
A lot of you are bleating on here how much it cost blaming The March for England easy to pass blame.All year round the unwashed protest & do demonstrations through our city center smashing up everywhere,grafitti our walls,stickers everywhere.So Caroline Lucas said peaceful protest sounds like.Maybe you should complain to the Greens about cost as they support these protests & demonstrations all year round.Hope the lady in question has a speedy recovery does make me wonder though was she down there as a leftie unwashed supporter the fact that she managed to mention 2 skin head men covered in tattoos, mind you I suppose with the many unwashed it would have been hard to sniff out the culprits because they all smell the same !!!! tinkle34
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5:28pm Sat 27 Apr 13

Arrggh says...

tinkle all the examples you give are illegal and result in prosecution when caught.
How does this compare to a march that is aided by the police?
Whoever made the decision that it should go ahead has cost the city millions.
None of the events you mentioned came close in scale or were assisted by Brightons finest.
tinkle all the examples you give are illegal and result in prosecution when caught. How does this compare to a march that is aided by the police? Whoever made the decision that it should go ahead has cost the city millions. None of the events you mentioned came close in scale or were assisted by Brightons finest. Arrggh
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5:49pm Sat 27 Apr 13

Dangermouse1 says...

The fact remains that all too often the police organise pubs and coaches for groups like the English Defence League and it's splintered groups like March for England. If they didn't do this then many, if not all, of their now small marches and protests would not go ahead. Unfortunately the EDL seem to have an organising team which is the envy of the world. The police should stop the free transport and organised booze-fest for these groups. Police them - don't pander to them !
The fact remains that all too often the police organise pubs and coaches for groups like the English Defence League and it's splintered groups like March for England. If they didn't do this then many, if not all, of their now small marches and protests would not go ahead. Unfortunately the EDL seem to have an organising team which is the envy of the world. The police should stop the free transport and organised booze-fest for these groups. Police them - don't pander to them ! Dangermouse1
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5:56pm Sat 27 Apr 13

Arrggh says...

Couldn't agree more- there's a huge contrast between how there demonstrations are policed and any other protest.
Only these groups get a kettle that's there to help them, any other group associated with the kind of threats issued since last years march wouldn't get this kind of assistance.
They would be put back on trains or escorted out of they city after being issued with section60s and very quickly fewer would turn up.
Wouldn't need 700 police to do this and would save the city millions.
Couldn't agree more- there's a huge contrast between how there demonstrations are policed and any other protest. Only these groups get a kettle that's there to help them, any other group associated with the kind of threats issued since last years march wouldn't get this kind of assistance. They would be put back on trains or escorted out of they city after being issued with section60s and very quickly fewer would turn up. Wouldn't need 700 police to do this and would save the city millions. Arrggh
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8:13pm Sat 27 Apr 13

tinkle34 says...

Arrggh wrote:
tinkle all the examples you give are illegal and result in prosecution when caught.
How does this compare to a march that is aided by the police?
Whoever made the decision that it should go ahead has cost the city millions.
None of the events you mentioned came close in scale or were assisted by Brightons finest.
Whatever !!! Freedom of speech !!! Arrggh I am sure this is going nowhere.....
[quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: tinkle all the examples you give are illegal and result in prosecution when caught. How does this compare to a march that is aided by the police? Whoever made the decision that it should go ahead has cost the city millions. None of the events you mentioned came close in scale or were assisted by Brightons finest.[/p][/quote]Whatever !!! Freedom of speech !!! Arrggh I am sure this is going nowhere..... tinkle34
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9:11pm Sat 27 Apr 13

hubby says...

ID Fender wrote:
Saltdean Resident wrote:
I hope she makes a full recovery,as I keep saying let the organiser have it in his home town, why here, virtually no one on the march was from Brighton. No march no trouble. Simple. Let the people of Brighton enjoy there city and you can go and march in your home towns, or if you've a point to make, London. London is the seat of government, if you have an issue march there.
You've missed, or chosen to miss the point here. An innocent person may lose the sight in one eye due to an act of thuggishness by an individual who (it seems obvious) was present to oppose the 'thugs' and 'racists' of MfE.
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Violence such as this should not be tolerated, but this is what you expect when you allow people such as this to roam the streets because they are from the self styled peaceful counter protest.
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How many students were from London when they ran riot not so long ago?
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The point is the left and their acolytes always seem to be more the aggressor and trouble maker. Police them better and the problems would be far less, it is not a case of where these events take place, it is who takes part that is the issue.
If she was innocent she would have stayed indoors.
[quote][p][bold]ID Fender[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saltdean Resident[/bold] wrote: I hope she makes a full recovery,as I keep saying let the organiser have it in his home town, why here, virtually no one on the march was from Brighton. No march no trouble. Simple. Let the people of Brighton enjoy there city and you can go and march in your home towns, or if you've a point to make, London. London is the seat of government, if you have an issue march there.[/p][/quote]You've missed, or chosen to miss the point here. An innocent person may lose the sight in one eye due to an act of thuggishness by an individual who (it seems obvious) was present to oppose the 'thugs' and 'racists' of MfE. . Violence such as this should not be tolerated, but this is what you expect when you allow people such as this to roam the streets because they are from the self styled peaceful counter protest. . How many students were from London when they ran riot not so long ago? . The point is the left and their acolytes always seem to be more the aggressor and trouble maker. Police them better and the problems would be far less, it is not a case of where these events take place, it is who takes part that is the issue.[/p][/quote]If she was innocent she would have stayed indoors. hubby
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10:01pm Sat 27 Apr 13

Arrggh says...

There is a right to protest in this country subject to agreement with the local police authority.
There are many grounds upon which permission to protest can be refused.
Threats made by those attending MfE have been cited as part of the reason for permission being denied in other towns.
I don't see how it's an infringement of free speech if there is a realistic prospect of violence.
There is a right to protest in this country subject to agreement with the local police authority. There are many grounds upon which permission to protest can be refused. Threats made by those attending MfE have been cited as part of the reason for permission being denied in other towns. I don't see how it's an infringement of free speech if there is a realistic prospect of violence. Arrggh
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11:46pm Sat 27 Apr 13

Somethingsarejustwrong says...

You should see the scum who gather and create an eyesore on Western Road each Saturday. They all should be banned!!
You should see the scum who gather and create an eyesore on Western Road each Saturday. They all should be banned!! Somethingsarejustwrong
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12:17am Sun 28 Apr 13

Arrggh says...

Creating an eyesore isn't a crime- conspiracy to commit violent affray is and happened before the march.
Are those you see protected by the police?
Creating an eyesore isn't a crime- conspiracy to commit violent affray is and happened before the march. Are those you see protected by the police? Arrggh
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7:43am Sun 28 Apr 13

oscarinski says...

I am not really fussed about anyone's political views or who has an axe to grind with who. But it does seem quite bad when you can't go shopping without being glasses in the eye and potentially made blind. I know the people of brighton and hove pride ourselves on being tolerant to everything apart from wheat, dairy and gluten... maybe we should add mindless violent protesters - from any political / religious / social / ethical persuasions?
I am not really fussed about anyone's political views or who has an axe to grind with who. But it does seem quite bad when you can't go shopping without being glasses in the eye and potentially made blind. I know the people of brighton and hove pride ourselves on being tolerant to everything apart from wheat, dairy and gluten... maybe we should add mindless violent protesters - from any political / religious / social / ethical persuasions? oscarinski
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9:19am Sun 28 Apr 13

scooter boy says...

Saltdean Resident wrote:
I hope she makes a full recovery,as I keep saying let the organiser have it in his home town, why here, virtually no one on the march was from Brighton. No march no trouble. Simple. Let the people of Brighton enjoy there city and you can go and march in your home towns, or if you've a point to make, London. London is the seat of government, if you have an issue march there.
So what you are saying is,the people of Brighton are and have a right to be violent to people not from Brighton?
How about all the counter protesters from outside of Brighton,are they also fair game?
What a pathetic post,the counter protesters were the violent ones,i should know as i was there when the hail of stones came in!
I was meant to go for a nice weekend with my wife and child(nothing to do with the march),i ended up going with a friend from London to see what it was all about,we are both of Irish stock.We ended up in the march, police saw to that!!Worst day i have ever had in Brighton,all caused by violent thugs dressed in black with their faces covered.
[quote][p][bold]Saltdean Resident[/bold] wrote: I hope she makes a full recovery,as I keep saying let the organiser have it in his home town, why here, virtually no one on the march was from Brighton. No march no trouble. Simple. Let the people of Brighton enjoy there city and you can go and march in your home towns, or if you've a point to make, London. London is the seat of government, if you have an issue march there.[/p][/quote]So what you are saying is,the people of Brighton are and have a right to be violent to people not from Brighton? How about all the counter protesters from outside of Brighton,are they also fair game? What a pathetic post,the counter protesters were the violent ones,i should know as i was there when the hail of stones came in! I was meant to go for a nice weekend with my wife and child(nothing to do with the march),i ended up going with a friend from London to see what it was all about,we are both of Irish stock.We ended up in the march, police saw to that!!Worst day i have ever had in Brighton,all caused by violent thugs dressed in black with their faces covered. scooter boy
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9:54am Sun 28 Apr 13

Dangermouse1 says...

@Scooterboy. I liked the 'Honeymoon' story in the previous issue of Argus better. Try to keep the scenarios simple and they become more believable for the audience. You try too hard to tick the boxes - e.g. Irish, wife and child, innocently caught up in a scary event etc. Nice try though but keep working on the material.
@Scooterboy. I liked the 'Honeymoon' story in the previous issue of Argus better. Try to keep the scenarios simple and they become more believable for the audience. You try too hard to tick the boxes - e.g. Irish, wife and child, innocently caught up in a scary event etc. Nice try though but keep working on the material. Dangermouse1
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10:10am Sun 28 Apr 13

Saltdean Resident says...

scooter boy wrote:
Saltdean Resident wrote:
I hope she makes a full recovery,as I keep saying let the organiser have it in his home town, why here, virtually no one on the march was from Brighton. No march no trouble. Simple. Let the people of Brighton enjoy there city and you can go and march in your home towns, or if you've a point to make, London. London is the seat of government, if you have an issue march there.
So what you are saying is,the people of Brighton are and have a right to be violent to people not from Brighton?
How about all the counter protesters from outside of Brighton,are they also fair game?
What a pathetic post,the counter protesters were the violent ones,i should know as i was there when the hail of stones came in!
I was meant to go for a nice weekend with my wife and child(nothing to do with the march),i ended up going with a friend from London to see what it was all about,we are both of Irish stock.We ended up in the march, police saw to that!!Worst day i have ever had in Brighton,all caused by violent thugs dressed in black with their faces covered.
I'm not quite sure you read my post correctly. I condoned violence in all my posts it's just that this march does attract violence. The vast majority of the marchers were from outside Brighton and the organiser from Portsmouth. I'm not sure what other marches take place in Brighton with that kind of set up. The only thing I can think of is if your talking about the EDO marches, where yes I would say people from outside of Brighton do join in, the reason being that EDO is based in Brighton. As for the Irish connection I'm not sure what your on about, my wife is Irish, whoopy doo.
[quote][p][bold]scooter boy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saltdean Resident[/bold] wrote: I hope she makes a full recovery,as I keep saying let the organiser have it in his home town, why here, virtually no one on the march was from Brighton. No march no trouble. Simple. Let the people of Brighton enjoy there city and you can go and march in your home towns, or if you've a point to make, London. London is the seat of government, if you have an issue march there.[/p][/quote]So what you are saying is,the people of Brighton are and have a right to be violent to people not from Brighton? How about all the counter protesters from outside of Brighton,are they also fair game? What a pathetic post,the counter protesters were the violent ones,i should know as i was there when the hail of stones came in! I was meant to go for a nice weekend with my wife and child(nothing to do with the march),i ended up going with a friend from London to see what it was all about,we are both of Irish stock.We ended up in the march, police saw to that!!Worst day i have ever had in Brighton,all caused by violent thugs dressed in black with their faces covered.[/p][/quote]I'm not quite sure you read my post correctly. I condoned violence in all my posts it's just that this march does attract violence. The vast majority of the marchers were from outside Brighton and the organiser from Portsmouth. I'm not sure what other marches take place in Brighton with that kind of set up. The only thing I can think of is if your talking about the EDO marches, where yes I would say people from outside of Brighton do join in, the reason being that EDO is based in Brighton. As for the Irish connection I'm not sure what your on about, my wife is Irish, whoopy doo. Saltdean Resident
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10:24am Sun 28 Apr 13

Dangermouse1 says...

You need to take 'scooter boy' with a heavy pinch of salt.
He's never what he claims to be but is part of a 'patriot' group called UK Freedom Forum which is linked to the EDL etc. Hi scooter boy.
You need to take 'scooter boy' with a heavy pinch of salt. He's never what he claims to be but is part of a 'patriot' group called UK Freedom Forum which is linked to the EDL etc. Hi scooter boy. Dangermouse1
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2:08pm Sun 28 Apr 13

Arrggh says...

Scooter Boy- you were so unconvincing as a tourist that the police forced you to join the march?
Scooter Boy- you were so unconvincing as a tourist that the police forced you to join the march? Arrggh
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7:28am Mon 29 Apr 13

Saltdean Resident says...

Scooterboy = Troll, that makes sense.
Scooterboy = Troll, that makes sense. Saltdean Resident
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4:36pm Tue 30 Apr 13

scoobysnax says...

My god, never read so much rubbish in all my life. The limitations of people who have never studied politics is quite apparent in this comments page. The exaggerations and permutations of the combinations between left and right added with such patriotic vitriol and mindless accusations is quite disturbing.

One can only say, an eye for an eye makes the whole world go blind. That's what politics is all about, the left beating up the right beating up the left in a mutually exclusive destructive dichotomy in an incredibly poor economy which leads to more violence in poverty by men who haven't even passed puberty. It's usually the innocent who become the victims.

Lovely lady get well soon, don't lose sight of love, hope and the future.
My god, never read so much rubbish in all my life. The limitations of people who have never studied politics is quite apparent in this comments page. The exaggerations and permutations of the combinations between left and right added with such patriotic vitriol and mindless accusations is quite disturbing. One can only say, an eye for an eye makes the whole world go blind. That's what politics is all about, the left beating up the right beating up the left in a mutually exclusive destructive dichotomy in an incredibly poor economy which leads to more violence in poverty by men who haven't even passed puberty. It's usually the innocent who become the victims. Lovely lady get well soon, don't lose sight of love, hope and the future. scoobysnax
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12:29am Wed 1 May 13

Levent says...

RickH wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro

ng
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Whoever caused this is absolute scum and it serves to illustrate that the screaming lefties are the biggest threat to our country, after the street drinking benefit grabbers that is!
Seeing as you appear to know who threw the projectile, maybe you should go report it straight away. Or is it really an assumption on your part!
It's called reading. You see old chap, it clearly states that the missile seemed to be aimed at those in the march. It stands to reason therefore that it was the "tolerant" liberal lefties throwing the missile. It seems violence is ok when you "liberals" are doing it, it's just mindless thuggery when others do so. Or is that also an assumption on my part comrade? Now get mad and show us all how "liberal" and "tolerant" you are again. That always amuses me!
[quote][p][bold]RickH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Somethingsarejustwro ng[/bold] wrote: Whoever caused this is absolute scum and it serves to illustrate that the screaming lefties are the biggest threat to our country, after the street drinking benefit grabbers that is![/p][/quote]Seeing as you appear to know who threw the projectile, maybe you should go report it straight away. Or is it really an assumption on your part![/p][/quote]It's called reading. You see old chap, it clearly states that the missile seemed to be aimed at those in the march. It stands to reason therefore that it was the "tolerant" liberal lefties throwing the missile. It seems violence is ok when you "liberals" are doing it, it's just mindless thuggery when others do so. Or is that also an assumption on my part comrade? Now get mad and show us all how "liberal" and "tolerant" you are again. That always amuses me! Levent
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12:42am Wed 1 May 13

Dangermouse1 says...

Hey. The story is almost word for word from a police report yet no follow up story. Until there is a follow up report with more substance I don't trust the story. If the women was from MfE and got injured I say tough. I'm not bothered she got hurt, nor the rest of the racist Nazi scum of MfE. Please feel free to froth.
Hey. The story is almost word for word from a police report yet no follow up story. Until there is a follow up report with more substance I don't trust the story. If the women was from MfE and got injured I say tough. I'm not bothered she got hurt, nor the rest of the racist Nazi scum of MfE. Please feel free to froth. Dangermouse1
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10:39am Wed 1 May 13

scoobysnax says...

The only thing that is frothing is the coffee machine in the kitchen!
The only thing that is frothing is the coffee machine in the kitchen! scoobysnax
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10:27pm Thu 2 May 13

Sam The Green Cat says...

The left wing fascists are the new Nazis! Behaving like the Nazis of the 1930s with their violence! Isn`t ironic that the protesters behave like the right -winger they so despise?
The left wing fascists are the new Nazis! Behaving like the Nazis of the 1930s with their violence! Isn`t ironic that the protesters behave like the right -winger they so despise? Sam The Green Cat
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10:45pm Thu 2 May 13

Dangermouse1 says...

Say goodnight to your mum Sam, it's getting late.
Say goodnight to your mum Sam, it's getting late. Dangermouse1
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