Bin strike is over at last

THE BIN strike was called off last night after a new pay offer was presented to workers.

Nearly a week after Cityclean employees officially walked out, Brighton and Hove City Council and union representatives agreed a deal to present to striking staff.

The Argus can exclusively reveal all industrial action has been suspended for 28 days for workers to vote on the offer.

It means that from this morning, staff were back sweeping streets and picking up the mountains of waste which have piled up on the streets.

But the backlog created during the past month as a result of unofficial and official action means it will be days, possibly weeks, before the mess is cleared.

Mark Turner, of GMB, told The Argus: “We have had a formal offer put to us by the council and that will now be put to the workers.

“It was more positive meeting [with the council] yesterday than before, I think, because some people were beginning to realise the situation was getting bigger and bigger and generating national attention.

“The council will be presenting a full proposal to our members on an individual basis and then we will ballot on that offer.”

Mr Turner said: “If their offer wasn’t significant we would not have suspended our action.”

The offer marks an end to days of negotiations between the two sides.

The Argus understands a meeting was held at 6pm in the Brighton Hove and District Trade Meeting in Lewes Road, Brighton.

It lasted more than an hour but sources told this newspaper the announcement was greeted with a round of applause from staff.

The exact details of the offer were last night not known but sources told The Argus the majority of workers would accept it.

Speaking after the meeting, a member of the workforce told The Argus: “It has been decided that industrial action will be suspended while a postal ballot takes place.”

The issue revolves around planned changes to council worker’s allowances and expenses.

Refuse and recycling staff are among a small percentage of council workers who will be hit in the pocket.

Unions claim some will lose up to £4,000 of their annual take home pay.

After weeks of unofficial action, Cityclean staff from Brighton and Hove City Council began the official strike on Friday.

They were due to return to work today and over the weekend before a further wave of action beginning on Monday.

Penny Thompson, the council’s chief executive said: “We've put forward what we consider to be a good service redesign proposal.

“It is good for residents and good for the city.

“We are continuing to work with both our trade unions towards an allowances system for staff across the council which is fair, open and affordable.”

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7:10am Fri 21 Jun 13

roystony says...

Now the greens should consider an exit plan!
Now the greens should consider an exit plan! roystony

7:13am Fri 21 Jun 13

Jetsamandflotsam says...

Perhaps the council/bin people could let us know when to put our rubbish out for collection. its my bin day today, shall i put the two weeks worth out?
Perhaps the council/bin people could let us know when to put our rubbish out for collection. its my bin day today, shall i put the two weeks worth out? Jetsamandflotsam

7:19am Fri 21 Jun 13

deanaprior says...

good service redesign proposal

All high ranking Council Officers use phrases like this.Its why they are pad 150k a year
good service redesign proposal All high ranking Council Officers use phrases like this.Its why they are pad 150k a year deanaprior

7:27am Fri 21 Jun 13

george smith says...

roystony wrote:
Now the greens should consider an exit plan!
Just been watching the TV about hospitals covering up babies dying. The greens claimed to be a caring party. These caring professions, seem to lack any caring qualities, seem nearer to fascists
[quote][p][bold]roystony[/bold] wrote: Now the greens should consider an exit plan![/p][/quote]Just been watching the TV about hospitals covering up babies dying. The greens claimed to be a caring party. These caring professions, seem to lack any caring qualities, seem nearer to fascists george smith

7:27am Fri 21 Jun 13

hyram77 says...

What a relief. I was appalled driving through the town yesterday just how bad things have become. It's a shame this new deal wasn't agreed prior to industrial action.
What a relief. I was appalled driving through the town yesterday just how bad things have become. It's a shame this new deal wasn't agreed prior to industrial action. hyram77

7:33am Fri 21 Jun 13

twonk says...

Over at LEAST?
Over at LEAST? twonk

7:36am Fri 21 Jun 13

BornInBrighton1968 says...

Now lets get rid of the incompetent, spiteful, ultra politically-correct Marxist Green council...
Now lets get rid of the incompetent, spiteful, ultra politically-correct Marxist Green council... BornInBrighton1968

7:46am Fri 21 Jun 13

Scorpio50 says...

BornInBrighton1968 wrote:
Now lets get rid of the incompetent, spiteful, ultra politically-correct Marxist Green council...
I couldn't agree more! Lets vote this shower out but 2015 is still a long way away......What can we do?
[quote][p][bold]BornInBrighton1968[/bold] wrote: Now lets get rid of the incompetent, spiteful, ultra politically-correct Marxist Green council...[/p][/quote]I couldn't agree more! Lets vote this shower out but 2015 is still a long way away......What can we do? Scorpio50

7:59am Fri 21 Jun 13

wexler53 says...

We need the conservatives and labour parties to stand up for the electorate they supposedly represent.

The message could not be clearer. We have no confidence in the greens running the city.

Steps should be taken to resolve this with some urgency.

There are a few diehards who think well of the greens, but they are so few, there is no way they should control the rest of us.

If ever there was a clear message from the electorate, it's now.

Are you going to act on it, or not?

Do you recognise your duty to the taxpayer, or not?
We need the conservatives and labour parties to stand up for the electorate they supposedly represent. The message could not be clearer. We have no confidence in the greens running the city. Steps should be taken to resolve this with some urgency. There are a few diehards who think well of the greens, but they are so few, there is no way they should control the rest of us. If ever there was a clear message from the electorate, it's now. Are you going to act on it, or not? Do you recognise your duty to the taxpayer, or not? wexler53

8:00am Fri 21 Jun 13

Solyent Green says...

twonk wrote:
Over at LEAST?
BIN STRIKE OVER AT LEAST
I saw this headline too and wondered where Least was situated,
And how lucky they were to have the bin strike in their town abated,

It is like the town of Jeopardy wherever that may be,
I am thinking relocating there, it seems they.ve jobs aplenty
[quote][p][bold]twonk[/bold] wrote: Over at LEAST?[/p][/quote]BIN STRIKE OVER AT LEAST I saw this headline too and wondered where Least was situated, And how lucky they were to have the bin strike in their town abated, It is like the town of Jeopardy wherever that may be, I am thinking relocating there, it seems they.ve jobs aplenty Solyent Green

8:02am Fri 21 Jun 13

fredflintstone1 says...

No wonder it took so long to resolve if Penny Thompson was spouting such meaningless jargon as it's a "good service redesign proposal." Why invent such meaningless terms? Is she incapable of speaking in English?

She and Gillian Marston should be following Kitcat out of the exit door.
No wonder it took so long to resolve if Penny Thompson was spouting such meaningless jargon as it's a "good service redesign proposal." Why invent such meaningless terms? Is she incapable of speaking in English? She and Gillian Marston should be following Kitcat out of the exit door. fredflintstone1

8:07am Fri 21 Jun 13

Dealing with idiots says...

I think the next full meeting of council will be an interesting one. Any bets how many calls for the Greens to go there will be?
I think the next full meeting of council will be an interesting one. Any bets how many calls for the Greens to go there will be? Dealing with idiots

8:09am Fri 21 Jun 13

PJW Brighton says...

If agreement is genuinely reached on this pay and allowances dispute then it means that the Green administration will have dealt with the equal pay/single status issue which the previous Labour and Tory administrations both failed to do. I don't expect that they will get any credit on here for doing so, though. There were bin-worker strikes under both previous administrations but everyone seems to have forgotten this. Far easier to go on about Green marxist loonies than to ask why the other parties and unions all allowed illegal unequal pay schemes to exist for years.
If agreement is genuinely reached on this pay and allowances dispute then it means that the Green administration will have dealt with the equal pay/single status issue which the previous Labour and Tory administrations both failed to do. I don't expect that they will get any credit on here for doing so, though. There were bin-worker strikes under both previous administrations but everyone seems to have forgotten this. Far easier to go on about Green marxist loonies than to ask why the other parties and unions all allowed illegal unequal pay schemes to exist for years. PJW Brighton

8:10am Fri 21 Jun 13

Valerie Paynter says...

"..continuing to work toward..." so the legal problem that allows non-bin employees to sue for unequal blah blah remains in place....?

Will the GMB *allow* the public to know what unfair advantage, if any, that they have armtwisted out of the council? And with heads rolling left right and centre already in staff cullings to save money, will their advantage be someone else's catastrophe?

How will it impact on the budget/council tax setting next year?

Please everyone note (and that includes the trollette kiddiwinks wasting their time being spiteful on article comments here and making the Greens look far better than is right in contrast) that out of the total sum the government allows for local authority grants for 2015, Eric Pickles is now happy to lop off a further 10% from the allocation, countrywide (perhaps sparing Conservative-run councils, but you can bet he will strangle ours in hopes the city is mostly filled with brain-dead trolls who will chant junk at the Greens rather than the Coalition).

The Conservatives in BHCC obediently follow their Coalition masters and just go along with what Cameron and Clegg dish up.

Milliband's Labour opposition feebly agrees' and locally, at Culture & Economic Development Thursday, both Fitch and Morgan called for a positive consideration of building a New Town just over the Downs to alleviate housing shortages in B&H (on prime agricultural land needed to feed this country that the developers do not even own)!

For the low-paid in the private sector who have to pay council tax, for BHCC who have to pay staff and provide services this is a body blow.

Wake up little trollettes and start contributing sense instead of sad, wittering schoolboy dribblings to comment trails. Grow up.
"..continuing to work toward..." so the legal problem that allows non-bin employees to sue for unequal blah blah remains in place....? Will the GMB *allow* the public to know what unfair advantage, if any, that they have armtwisted out of the council? And with heads rolling left right and centre already in staff cullings to save money, will their advantage be someone else's catastrophe? How will it impact on the budget/council tax setting next year? Please everyone note (and that includes the trollette kiddiwinks wasting their time being spiteful on article comments here and making the Greens look far better than is right in contrast) that out of the total sum the government allows for local authority grants for 2015, Eric Pickles is now happy to lop off a further 10% from the allocation, countrywide (perhaps sparing Conservative-run councils, but you can bet he will strangle ours in hopes the city is mostly filled with brain-dead trolls who will chant junk at the Greens rather than the Coalition). The Conservatives in BHCC obediently follow their Coalition masters and just go along with what Cameron and Clegg dish up. Milliband's Labour opposition feebly agrees' and locally, at Culture & Economic Development Thursday, both Fitch and Morgan called for a positive consideration of building a New Town just over the Downs to alleviate housing shortages in B&H (on prime agricultural land needed to feed this country that the developers do not even own)! For the low-paid in the private sector who have to pay council tax, for BHCC who have to pay staff and provide services this is a body blow. Wake up little trollettes and start contributing sense instead of sad, wittering schoolboy dribblings to comment trails. Grow up. Valerie Paynter

8:12am Fri 21 Jun 13

Valerie Paynter says...

deanaprior wrote:
good service redesign proposal

All high ranking Council Officers use phrases like this.Its why they are pad 150k a year
Ain't it the truth. Kicks the public out of their way instead of properly informing them. Try to get details! Hah!
[quote][p][bold]deanaprior[/bold] wrote: good service redesign proposal All high ranking Council Officers use phrases like this.Its why they are pad 150k a year[/p][/quote]Ain't it the truth. Kicks the public out of their way instead of properly informing them. Try to get details! Hah! Valerie Paynter

8:17am Fri 21 Jun 13

Valerie Paynter says...

george smith wrote:
roystony wrote:
Now the greens should consider an exit plan!
Just been watching the TV about hospitals covering up babies dying. The greens claimed to be a caring party. These caring professions, seem to lack any caring qualities, seem nearer to fascists
Dear George Trollette Smith (or are you an opposition Cllr in disguise amusing yourself?),

What has the horror of sicko hospital practices you are watching on TV got to do with the Greens? Do you suggest they had a hand in it? Why else mention them?

Casual slander/open libel if you put the two together to suggest the Greens have any say in what goes on in hospitals whatsoever.
[quote][p][bold]george smith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roystony[/bold] wrote: Now the greens should consider an exit plan![/p][/quote]Just been watching the TV about hospitals covering up babies dying. The greens claimed to be a caring party. These caring professions, seem to lack any caring qualities, seem nearer to fascists[/p][/quote]Dear George Trollette Smith (or are you an opposition Cllr in disguise amusing yourself?), What has the horror of sicko hospital practices you are watching on TV got to do with the Greens? Do you suggest they had a hand in it? Why else mention them? Casual slander/open libel if you put the two together to suggest the Greens have any say in what goes on in hospitals whatsoever. Valerie Paynter

8:28am Fri 21 Jun 13

Valerie Paynter says...

Dealing with idiots wrote:
I think the next full meeting of council will be an interesting one. Any bets how many calls for the Greens to go there will be?
Why do you think the Conservatives and Labour were so happy to stand back after the last election and let the Greens form their minority Administration?

Because it was a poisoned chalice that no Party REALLY WANTED. Not any of them.

Do you truly believe that further cuts in BHCC income from the Govt local authority grant is something Labour or Conservatives would be any better at coping with?

Go to a few council meetings and listen to the feeble opposition drones who do no better, know no better than the Greens.
[quote][p][bold]Dealing with idiots[/bold] wrote: I think the next full meeting of council will be an interesting one. Any bets how many calls for the Greens to go there will be?[/p][/quote]Why do you think the Conservatives and Labour were so happy to stand back after the last election and let the Greens form their minority Administration? Because it was a poisoned chalice that no Party REALLY WANTED. Not any of them. Do you truly believe that further cuts in BHCC income from the Govt local authority grant is something Labour or Conservatives would be any better at coping with? Go to a few council meetings and listen to the feeble opposition drones who do no better, know no better than the Greens. Valerie Paynter

8:30am Fri 21 Jun 13

PenPushingPauper says...

Scorpio50 wrote:
BornInBrighton1968 wrote: Now lets get rid of the incompetent, spiteful, ultra politically-correct Marxist Green council...
I couldn't agree more! Lets vote this shower out but 2015 is still a long way away......What can we do?
I think you guys might be looking for the Daily Mail website
[quote][p][bold]Scorpio50[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BornInBrighton1968[/bold] wrote: Now lets get rid of the incompetent, spiteful, ultra politically-correct Marxist Green council...[/p][/quote]I couldn't agree more! Lets vote this shower out but 2015 is still a long way away......What can we do?[/p][/quote]I think you guys might be looking for the Daily Mail website PenPushingPauper

8:31am Fri 21 Jun 13

Maxwell's Ghost says...

Valerie I am sure you know how we can raise money as a city and save money to help align the salaries.
First, sell off some of the council offices which are so badly maintained they are probably already costing money, reduce the parking costs and return free parking after 6pm to plug the revenue shortfall, make student properties liable for council tax, particularly now we have an increasing number of very, very wealthy overseas students entering the city - two lots near me have a new BMW and a new Mini Cooper.
Get rid of the sheep, start charging private bus companies to use the bus lanes and the repair of them- align these fees with their profits.
That's for starters. There are a few elected councillors we could lose too to save a few thousand on allowances.
Valerie I am sure you know how we can raise money as a city and save money to help align the salaries. First, sell off some of the council offices which are so badly maintained they are probably already costing money, reduce the parking costs and return free parking after 6pm to plug the revenue shortfall, make student properties liable for council tax, particularly now we have an increasing number of very, very wealthy overseas students entering the city - two lots near me have a new BMW and a new Mini Cooper. Get rid of the sheep, start charging private bus companies to use the bus lanes and the repair of them- align these fees with their profits. That's for starters. There are a few elected councillors we could lose too to save a few thousand on allowances. Maxwell's Ghost

8:35am Fri 21 Jun 13

PJW Brighton says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Valerie I am sure you know how we can raise money as a city and save money to help align the salaries.
First, sell off some of the council offices which are so badly maintained they are probably already costing money, reduce the parking costs and return free parking after 6pm to plug the revenue shortfall, make student properties liable for council tax, particularly now we have an increasing number of very, very wealthy overseas students entering the city - two lots near me have a new BMW and a new Mini Cooper.
Get rid of the sheep, start charging private bus companies to use the bus lanes and the repair of them- align these fees with their profits.
That's for starters. There are a few elected councillors we could lose too to save a few thousand on allowances.
Yeah, free parking.... Brighton needs more traffic now. Bring it on; fill those roads and get that air nice and grubby.
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Valerie I am sure you know how we can raise money as a city and save money to help align the salaries. First, sell off some of the council offices which are so badly maintained they are probably already costing money, reduce the parking costs and return free parking after 6pm to plug the revenue shortfall, make student properties liable for council tax, particularly now we have an increasing number of very, very wealthy overseas students entering the city - two lots near me have a new BMW and a new Mini Cooper. Get rid of the sheep, start charging private bus companies to use the bus lanes and the repair of them- align these fees with their profits. That's for starters. There are a few elected councillors we could lose too to save a few thousand on allowances.[/p][/quote]Yeah, free parking.... Brighton needs more traffic now. Bring it on; fill those roads and get that air nice and grubby. PJW Brighton

8:38am Fri 21 Jun 13

Bowmanc says...

Fantastic. The boys have already made a huge difference down Queens Road this morning and it's looking great.
Guys like sweeper Carl who has been on duty since 6 am. He said ' we take a lot of pride in this city !'
It just goes to prove how quickly things can get out of control and the fabric of daily life can be disturbed.
To the power that be PLEASE DO NOT LET THIS HAPPEN AGAIN HERE IN RIGHTON !!!
Fantastic. The boys have already made a huge difference down Queens Road this morning and it's looking great. Guys like sweeper Carl who has been on duty since 6 am. He said ' we take a lot of pride in this city !' It just goes to prove how quickly things can get out of control and the fabric of daily life can be disturbed. To the power that be PLEASE DO NOT LET THIS HAPPEN AGAIN HERE IN RIGHTON !!! Bowmanc

8:42am Fri 21 Jun 13

Crystal Ball says...

deanaprior wrote:
good service redesign proposal

All high ranking Council Officers use phrases like this.Its why they are pad 150k a year
Utter corporate bullcr*p.
[quote][p][bold]deanaprior[/bold] wrote: good service redesign proposal All high ranking Council Officers use phrases like this.Its why they are pad 150k a year[/p][/quote]Utter corporate bullcr*p. Crystal Ball

8:47am Fri 21 Jun 13

Dealing with idiots says...

PJW Brighton wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote: Valerie I am sure you know how we can raise money as a city and save money to help align the salaries. First, sell off some of the council offices which are so badly maintained they are probably already costing money, reduce the parking costs and return free parking after 6pm to plug the revenue shortfall, make student properties liable for council tax, particularly now we have an increasing number of very, very wealthy overseas students entering the city - two lots near me have a new BMW and a new Mini Cooper. Get rid of the sheep, start charging private bus companies to use the bus lanes and the repair of them- align these fees with their profits. That's for starters. There are a few elected councillors we could lose too to save a few thousand on allowances.
Yeah, free parking.... Brighton needs more traffic now. Bring it on; fill those roads and get that air nice and grubby.
Grubby air? The greens have already seen to that with the 20mph limit pumping more NO2 into the atmosphere. Just to clarify PJW, is this the new online persona for Paul HJarrs?
[quote][p][bold]PJW Brighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Valerie I am sure you know how we can raise money as a city and save money to help align the salaries. First, sell off some of the council offices which are so badly maintained they are probably already costing money, reduce the parking costs and return free parking after 6pm to plug the revenue shortfall, make student properties liable for council tax, particularly now we have an increasing number of very, very wealthy overseas students entering the city - two lots near me have a new BMW and a new Mini Cooper. Get rid of the sheep, start charging private bus companies to use the bus lanes and the repair of them- align these fees with their profits. That's for starters. There are a few elected councillors we could lose too to save a few thousand on allowances.[/p][/quote]Yeah, free parking.... Brighton needs more traffic now. Bring it on; fill those roads and get that air nice and grubby.[/p][/quote]Grubby air? The greens have already seen to that with the 20mph limit pumping more NO2 into the atmosphere. Just to clarify PJW, is this the new online persona for Paul HJarrs? Dealing with idiots

8:50am Fri 21 Jun 13

NickBrt says...

Bowmanc, Penny the CEO would say that Carl had carried out a "street regeneration cleanse-optimisation strategy".
Bowmanc, Penny the CEO would say that Carl had carried out a "street regeneration cleanse-optimisation strategy". NickBrt

8:51am Fri 21 Jun 13

what's going on says...

PJW Brighton wrote:
If agreement is genuinely reached on this pay and allowances dispute then it means that the Green administration will have dealt with the equal pay/single status issue which the previous Labour and Tory administrations both failed to do. I don't expect that they will get any credit on here for doing so, though. There were bin-worker strikes under both previous administrations but everyone seems to have forgotten this. Far easier to go on about Green marxist loonies than to ask why the other parties and unions all allowed illegal unequal pay schemes to exist for years.
Unfortunately not, all that will have happened is the Green administration will have caved in and done the same as the Tories did last time.
If the GMB are going back it means that they have got everything they wanted which in turn means that there will be a continuing liability on the Council as a large group of male employees will be on better terms and conditions than comparative female groups. This is going to cost the City a fortune.
[quote][p][bold]PJW Brighton[/bold] wrote: If agreement is genuinely reached on this pay and allowances dispute then it means that the Green administration will have dealt with the equal pay/single status issue which the previous Labour and Tory administrations both failed to do. I don't expect that they will get any credit on here for doing so, though. There were bin-worker strikes under both previous administrations but everyone seems to have forgotten this. Far easier to go on about Green marxist loonies than to ask why the other parties and unions all allowed illegal unequal pay schemes to exist for years.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately not, all that will have happened is the Green administration will have caved in and done the same as the Tories did last time. If the GMB are going back it means that they have got everything they wanted which in turn means that there will be a continuing liability on the Council as a large group of male employees will be on better terms and conditions than comparative female groups. This is going to cost the City a fortune. what's going on

8:51am Fri 21 Jun 13

thelieshurts says...

Well done to bin people and street cleaners.!
Well done to bin people and street cleaners.! thelieshurts

8:52am Fri 21 Jun 13

Brightonscouse2 says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Valerie I am sure you know how we can raise money as a city and save money to help align the salaries.
First, sell off some of the council offices which are so badly maintained they are probably already costing money, reduce the parking costs and return free parking after 6pm to plug the revenue shortfall, make student properties liable for council tax, particularly now we have an increasing number of very, very wealthy overseas students entering the city - two lots near me have a new BMW and a new Mini Cooper.
Get rid of the sheep, start charging private bus companies to use the bus lanes and the repair of them- align these fees with their profits.
That's for starters. There are a few elected councillors we could lose too to save a few thousand on allowances.
I'm sure Brighton & Hove buses contribute towards the use, and maintenance, of bus lanes through business rates. I'd imagine they pay a lot more for one bus, than you pay for one car. Don't forget, the maintenance of roads is paid for through council tax & business rates, and not Vehicle Exise Duty. It's also not just B&H Buses that use the bus lanes. There's Stagecoach, Compass Bus, The Big Lemon, Sussex Bus & taxi's.
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Valerie I am sure you know how we can raise money as a city and save money to help align the salaries. First, sell off some of the council offices which are so badly maintained they are probably already costing money, reduce the parking costs and return free parking after 6pm to plug the revenue shortfall, make student properties liable for council tax, particularly now we have an increasing number of very, very wealthy overseas students entering the city - two lots near me have a new BMW and a new Mini Cooper. Get rid of the sheep, start charging private bus companies to use the bus lanes and the repair of them- align these fees with their profits. That's for starters. There are a few elected councillors we could lose too to save a few thousand on allowances.[/p][/quote]I'm sure Brighton & Hove buses contribute towards the use, and maintenance, of bus lanes through business rates. I'd imagine they pay a lot more for one bus, than you pay for one car. Don't forget, the maintenance of roads is paid for through council tax & business rates, and not Vehicle Exise Duty. It's also not just B&H Buses that use the bus lanes. There's Stagecoach, Compass Bus, The Big Lemon, Sussex Bus & taxi's. Brightonscouse2

9:06am Fri 21 Jun 13

ThinkBrighton says...

Mark Turner can now crawl back into the hole from whence he came
Mark Turner can now crawl back into the hole from whence he came ThinkBrighton

9:06am Fri 21 Jun 13

Brightonscouse2 says...

what's going on wrote:
PJW Brighton wrote:
If agreement is genuinely reached on this pay and allowances dispute then it means that the Green administration will have dealt with the equal pay/single status issue which the previous Labour and Tory administrations both failed to do. I don't expect that they will get any credit on here for doing so, though. There were bin-worker strikes under both previous administrations but everyone seems to have forgotten this. Far easier to go on about Green marxist loonies than to ask why the other parties and unions all allowed illegal unequal pay schemes to exist for years.
Unfortunately not, all that will have happened is the Green administration will have caved in and done the same as the Tories did last time.
If the GMB are going back it means that they have got everything they wanted which in turn means that there will be a continuing liability on the Council as a large group of male employees will be on better terms and conditions than comparative female groups. This is going to cost the City a fortune.
I was saying so etching similar on an earlier article. I, personally, don't see how the Greens are culpable for the strike. It's a case of same proverbial different day, as far as which administration is in charge. Both Labour & the Conservatives have brought in controversial cycle lanes, tried to introduce 20MPH speed limits, introduced controversial parking charges, and the Conservatives also resided over industrial action by refuse workers. This leads me to think, as far as the strike action is concerned, which is the common denominator. The political party in charge, or the GMB, and refuse workers citing the loss, spuriously IMO, of £4,000 but not being clear on how many will actually lose that much.

I'm no sympathiser if the Greens. But I believe it's naive to think today's issues are down to the Greens, and not due to misgivings in local government regardless of which party is in charge.

Each party resides over the same issues, and introduces the same controversial plans. With the same results. Shouldn't we be asking the next party to take power to do something different?
[quote][p][bold]what's going on[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PJW Brighton[/bold] wrote: If agreement is genuinely reached on this pay and allowances dispute then it means that the Green administration will have dealt with the equal pay/single status issue which the previous Labour and Tory administrations both failed to do. I don't expect that they will get any credit on here for doing so, though. There were bin-worker strikes under both previous administrations but everyone seems to have forgotten this. Far easier to go on about Green marxist loonies than to ask why the other parties and unions all allowed illegal unequal pay schemes to exist for years.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately not, all that will have happened is the Green administration will have caved in and done the same as the Tories did last time. If the GMB are going back it means that they have got everything they wanted which in turn means that there will be a continuing liability on the Council as a large group of male employees will be on better terms and conditions than comparative female groups. This is going to cost the City a fortune.[/p][/quote]I was saying so etching similar on an earlier article. I, personally, don't see how the Greens are culpable for the strike. It's a case of same proverbial different day, as far as which administration is in charge. Both Labour & the Conservatives have brought in controversial cycle lanes, tried to introduce 20MPH speed limits, introduced controversial parking charges, and the Conservatives also resided over industrial action by refuse workers. This leads me to think, as far as the strike action is concerned, which is the common denominator. The political party in charge, or the GMB, and refuse workers citing the loss, spuriously IMO, of £4,000 but not being clear on how many will actually lose that much. I'm no sympathiser if the Greens. But I believe it's naive to think today's issues are down to the Greens, and not due to misgivings in local government regardless of which party is in charge. Each party resides over the same issues, and introduces the same controversial plans. With the same results. Shouldn't we be asking the next party to take power to do something different? Brightonscouse2

9:09am Fri 21 Jun 13

HJarrs says...

Why, until yesterday, did the Argus publish such a simplistic black and white account of the dispute? This is a complicated issue dodged by the previous Labour and Conservative administrations that also had bin strikes. Both Conservatives and Greens voted for negotiations to be held by council officials, Labour sat by hoping to take advantage and being thankful they were not in power. I have heard that things could have been handled better, but the issue of allowances would still have had to be dealt with. It may have been inevitable that some form of industrial action would have been taken.

We still don't know what the fallout will be. Will it mean a rise in council tax and job losses to pay for the settlement? However, the relationship between council and Cityclean and probably within Cityclean itself needs to be mended. People do not strike for fun.

One thing is certain, we should be in no doubt how important the refuse service and public services in general are to the efficient running of the city.

It is also worrying to see just how wasteful, messy and inconsiderate a lot of people are when disposing of their rubbish.
Why, until yesterday, did the Argus publish such a simplistic black and white account of the dispute? This is a complicated issue dodged by the previous Labour and Conservative administrations that also had bin strikes. Both Conservatives and Greens voted for negotiations to be held by council officials, Labour sat by hoping to take advantage and being thankful they were not in power. I have heard that things could have been handled better, but the issue of allowances would still have had to be dealt with. It may have been inevitable that some form of industrial action would have been taken. We still don't know what the fallout will be. Will it mean a rise in council tax and job losses to pay for the settlement? However, the relationship between council and Cityclean and probably within Cityclean itself needs to be mended. People do not strike for fun. One thing is certain, we should be in no doubt how important the refuse service and public services in general are to the efficient running of the city. It is also worrying to see just how wasteful, messy and inconsiderate a lot of people are when disposing of their rubbish. HJarrs

9:21am Fri 21 Jun 13

76robmac says...

I think that it's about time that incompetent councils could be voted out before the end of their term. This bunch have cost Brighton a great deal and believe it will take a long time before we are back to status quo
I think that it's about time that incompetent councils could be voted out before the end of their term. This bunch have cost Brighton a great deal and believe it will take a long time before we are back to status quo 76robmac

9:22am Fri 21 Jun 13

Nikski says...

Oh dear me, an agreement may have been reached at last and Brighton may get cleaned up and all we get on here, save the odd voice of reason, is the usual ignorant, hateful, misinformed bile about the Greens, Jason Kitcat, Penny Thompson etc etc.....you people who make personal attacks on other human beings just reveal yourselves to be the pathetic, bitter and twisted individuals you really are. It's not Mr Kitcat or the Greens who are responsible for this mess; the other parties just haven't had the guts to deal with these issues. Please try to use some intelligence and look at the causes not the effects and separate the personal from the political, if you can!
Another thing, being a bin person is not hard and it's not skilled, they just have to wheel a bin a few yards and attach it to the back of a truck. Anything more than that and they won't do it! Of course we need them but lots of people do important jobs, like the care workers who will be better off under these proposal and they don't go on strike, put vulnerable people at risk or hold a city to ransom by turning it into a garbage heap. Think on that.
Oh dear me, an agreement may have been reached at last and Brighton may get cleaned up and all we get on here, save the odd voice of reason, is the usual ignorant, hateful, misinformed bile about the Greens, Jason Kitcat, Penny Thompson etc etc.....you people who make personal attacks on other human beings just reveal yourselves to be the pathetic, bitter and twisted individuals you really are. It's not Mr Kitcat or the Greens who are responsible for this mess; the other parties just haven't had the guts to deal with these issues. Please try to use some intelligence and look at the causes not the effects and separate the personal from the political, if you can! Another thing, being a bin person is not hard and it's not skilled, they just have to wheel a bin a few yards and attach it to the back of a truck. Anything more than that and they won't do it! Of course we need them but lots of people do important jobs, like the care workers who will be better off under these proposal and they don't go on strike, put vulnerable people at risk or hold a city to ransom by turning it into a garbage heap. Think on that. Nikski

9:27am Fri 21 Jun 13

NickBrt says...

What fantastic contribution do YOU make to Brighton residents wellbeing then Nikski that makes you such an arrogant expert?
What fantastic contribution do YOU make to Brighton residents wellbeing then Nikski that makes you such an arrogant expert? NickBrt

9:33am Fri 21 Jun 13

brightonsaints says...

NickBrt wrote:
What fantastic contribution do YOU make to Brighton residents wellbeing then Nikski that makes you such an arrogant expert?
I think she (I assume its a she) talks a lot of sense and that there isn't need to be so rude.
[quote][p][bold]NickBrt[/bold] wrote: What fantastic contribution do YOU make to Brighton residents wellbeing then Nikski that makes you such an arrogant expert?[/p][/quote]I think she (I assume its a she) talks a lot of sense and that there isn't need to be so rude. brightonsaints

9:36am Fri 21 Jun 13

Maxwell's Ghost says...

PwJ check out the rate of business rates being collected by the council. The city's businesses are struggling. Walk up North Street and see key locations shut down.
Parking used to be free after 6pm in the city now its £7 to park and only free after 8pm.
During half term, when many parents would pack their kids into the car and pop into donatellos for an early evening meal, this year town was dead. Parents park in the free Marina or out of town. During half term
Week, Restaurants were empty, the pier shut early, the wheel turned without any customers. Winter is even worse.
While the weekend trade may be good, locals have deserted the town in the weekday evenings and if you talk to businesses things are desperate for some.
The council is also now recording huge revenue shortfalls in parking fees. Will the council tax be raised to make this up? Who will pay the shortfall in business rates as more businesses shut.
Go into town of an early evening and look and get talking to staff in shops
And restaurants.
PwJ check out the rate of business rates being collected by the council. The city's businesses are struggling. Walk up North Street and see key locations shut down. Parking used to be free after 6pm in the city now its £7 to park and only free after 8pm. During half term, when many parents would pack their kids into the car and pop into donatellos for an early evening meal, this year town was dead. Parents park in the free Marina or out of town. During half term Week, Restaurants were empty, the pier shut early, the wheel turned without any customers. Winter is even worse. While the weekend trade may be good, locals have deserted the town in the weekday evenings and if you talk to businesses things are desperate for some. The council is also now recording huge revenue shortfalls in parking fees. Will the council tax be raised to make this up? Who will pay the shortfall in business rates as more businesses shut. Go into town of an early evening and look and get talking to staff in shops And restaurants. Maxwell's Ghost

9:37am Fri 21 Jun 13

major_m says...

"But the backlog created during the past month as a result of unofficial and official action means it will be days, possibly weeks, before the mess is cleared.."

This is unacceptable. Surely SURELY some manager in the council and/or "CityClean" would have thought to ensure a plan/rota is in place (24/7) so the paying public is relieved of all that dirt and filth within a day or two, at the most.

If CItyClean do not have the resources to accomplish this then another agency should immediately be drafted in to remove all rubbish and deep clean all the filth and dirt of our streets, leaving nothing behind.

Get a move on BH council & CityClean. We, the public who pays your wages, are seriously running out of patience here..
"But the backlog created during the past month as a result of unofficial and official action means it will be days, possibly weeks, before the mess is cleared.." This is unacceptable. Surely SURELY some manager in the council and/or "CityClean" would have thought to ensure a plan/rota is in place (24/7) so the paying public is relieved of all that dirt and filth within a day or two, at the most. If CItyClean do not have the resources to accomplish this then another agency should immediately be drafted in to remove all rubbish and deep clean all the filth and dirt of our streets, leaving nothing behind. Get a move on BH council & CityClean. We, the public who pays your wages, are seriously running out of patience here.. major_m

9:38am Fri 21 Jun 13

Fercri Sakes says...

george smith wrote:
roystony wrote:
Now the greens should consider an exit plan!
Just been watching the TV about hospitals covering up babies dying. The greens claimed to be a caring party. These caring professions, seem to lack any caring qualities, seem nearer to fascists
Ha, classic Argus commentator logic. Could you elaborate a bit more? I can't quite work out where the dying babies fit in with the bin dispute.
[quote][p][bold]george smith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roystony[/bold] wrote: Now the greens should consider an exit plan![/p][/quote]Just been watching the TV about hospitals covering up babies dying. The greens claimed to be a caring party. These caring professions, seem to lack any caring qualities, seem nearer to fascists[/p][/quote]Ha, classic Argus commentator logic. Could you elaborate a bit more? I can't quite work out where the dying babies fit in with the bin dispute. Fercri Sakes

9:46am Fri 21 Jun 13

Valerie Paynter says...

76robmac wrote:
I think that it's about time that incompetent councils could be voted out before the end of their term. This bunch have cost Brighton a great deal and believe it will take a long time before we are back to status quo
Boring troll with no comment on the article? You aren't worth reading, troll.
[quote][p][bold]76robmac[/bold] wrote: I think that it's about time that incompetent councils could be voted out before the end of their term. This bunch have cost Brighton a great deal and believe it will take a long time before we are back to status quo[/p][/quote]Boring troll with no comment on the article? You aren't worth reading, troll. Valerie Paynter

9:46am Fri 21 Jun 13

pperrin says...

PJW Brighton wrote:
If agreement is genuinely reached on this pay and allowances dispute then it means that the Green administration will have dealt with the equal pay/single status issue which the previous Labour and Tory administrations both failed to do. I don't expect that they will get any credit on here for doing so, though. There were bin-worker strikes under both previous administrations but everyone seems to have forgotten this. Far easier to go on about Green marxist loonies than to ask why the other parties and unions all allowed illegal unequal pay schemes to exist for years.
I am no Kitcat fan, but...

Yes, indeed - *if* this addresses the issue it will mean Kitcat's faction of Brighton Greens have done what Labour and Conservative and *the rest of the Greens* were too cowardly to do.

(But what UKIP would have done with out a strike...) :)
[quote][p][bold]PJW Brighton[/bold] wrote: If agreement is genuinely reached on this pay and allowances dispute then it means that the Green administration will have dealt with the equal pay/single status issue which the previous Labour and Tory administrations both failed to do. I don't expect that they will get any credit on here for doing so, though. There were bin-worker strikes under both previous administrations but everyone seems to have forgotten this. Far easier to go on about Green marxist loonies than to ask why the other parties and unions all allowed illegal unequal pay schemes to exist for years.[/p][/quote]I am no Kitcat fan, but... Yes, indeed - *if* this addresses the issue it will mean Kitcat's faction of Brighton Greens have done what Labour and Conservative and *the rest of the Greens* were too cowardly to do. (But what UKIP would have done with out a strike...) :) pperrin

9:48am Fri 21 Jun 13

Morpheus says...

deanaprior wrote:
good service redesign proposal

All high ranking Council Officers use phrases like this.Its why they are pad 150k a year
When she told us she was working night and day to solve the dispute we now know what she was doing. This ridiculous expression is all she has come up with, but does anybody have a clue what it means?
[quote][p][bold]deanaprior[/bold] wrote: good service redesign proposal All high ranking Council Officers use phrases like this.Its why they are pad 150k a year[/p][/quote]When she told us she was working night and day to solve the dispute we now know what she was doing. This ridiculous expression is all she has come up with, but does anybody have a clue what it means? Morpheus

9:51am Fri 21 Jun 13

Fercri Sakes says...

76robmac wrote:
I think that it's about time that incompetent councils could be voted out before the end of their term. This bunch have cost Brighton a great deal and believe it will take a long time before we are back to status quo
It was a three week bin dispute. I'm happy with everything else they are doing whilst their budgets are being slashed by the Tories.

Speed limits bought in, like loads of cities in the UK. Cycle lanes brought in, like loads of cities in the UK. Parking prices increased, like loads of cities in the UK.

Can't quite see the 'fascism' or 'marxism' label that is trotted out regularly here applying to all these other city councils too. I only come here for the right wing knee jerk comments though - funniest part of the day.
[quote][p][bold]76robmac[/bold] wrote: I think that it's about time that incompetent councils could be voted out before the end of their term. This bunch have cost Brighton a great deal and believe it will take a long time before we are back to status quo[/p][/quote]It was a three week bin dispute. I'm happy with everything else they are doing whilst their budgets are being slashed by the Tories. Speed limits bought in, like loads of cities in the UK. Cycle lanes brought in, like loads of cities in the UK. Parking prices increased, like loads of cities in the UK. Can't quite see the 'fascism' or 'marxism' label that is trotted out regularly here applying to all these other city councils too. I only come here for the right wing knee jerk comments though - funniest part of the day. Fercri Sakes

9:52am Fri 21 Jun 13

Morpheus says...

ThinkBrighton wrote:
Mark Turner can now crawl back into the hole from whence he came
Unfortunately he has turned the city into a hole that we have to live in!
[quote][p][bold]ThinkBrighton[/bold] wrote: Mark Turner can now crawl back into the hole from whence he came[/p][/quote]Unfortunately he has turned the city into a hole that we have to live in! Morpheus

9:58am Fri 21 Jun 13

Maxwell's Ghost says...

The Greens are Tories. Why anyone calls them Marxist is beyond me.
They are turning the city into a playground for the rich and cleansing the city of the poor, the elderly and vulnerable.
£25 to park, £5 for a bus fare and a quaint festival where a pint cost £4.50.
Tally ho.
The Greens are Tories. Why anyone calls them Marxist is beyond me. They are turning the city into a playground for the rich and cleansing the city of the poor, the elderly and vulnerable. £25 to park, £5 for a bus fare and a quaint festival where a pint cost £4.50. Tally ho. Maxwell's Ghost

9:58am Fri 21 Jun 13

Fercri Sakes says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
PwJ check out the rate of business rates being collected by the council. The city's businesses are struggling. Walk up North Street and see key locations shut down.
Parking used to be free after 6pm in the city now its £7 to park and only free after 8pm.
During half term, when many parents would pack their kids into the car and pop into donatellos for an early evening meal, this year town was dead. Parents park in the free Marina or out of town. During half term
Week, Restaurants were empty, the pier shut early, the wheel turned without any customers. Winter is even worse.
While the weekend trade may be good, locals have deserted the town in the weekday evenings and if you talk to businesses things are desperate for some.
The council is also now recording huge revenue shortfalls in parking fees. Will the council tax be raised to make this up? Who will pay the shortfall in business rates as more businesses shut.
Go into town of an early evening and look and get talking to staff in shops
And restaurants.
You know that whole biggest economic collapse since the Great Depression thing that's happening? The one where most people have seen a real term drop in their take home income whilst their rent has been going up 20% a year?

Well that.
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: PwJ check out the rate of business rates being collected by the council. The city's businesses are struggling. Walk up North Street and see key locations shut down. Parking used to be free after 6pm in the city now its £7 to park and only free after 8pm. During half term, when many parents would pack their kids into the car and pop into donatellos for an early evening meal, this year town was dead. Parents park in the free Marina or out of town. During half term Week, Restaurants were empty, the pier shut early, the wheel turned without any customers. Winter is even worse. While the weekend trade may be good, locals have deserted the town in the weekday evenings and if you talk to businesses things are desperate for some. The council is also now recording huge revenue shortfalls in parking fees. Will the council tax be raised to make this up? Who will pay the shortfall in business rates as more businesses shut. Go into town of an early evening and look and get talking to staff in shops And restaurants.[/p][/quote]You know that whole biggest economic collapse since the Great Depression thing that's happening? The one where most people have seen a real term drop in their take home income whilst their rent has been going up 20% a year? Well that. Fercri Sakes

9:59am Fri 21 Jun 13

Nikski says...

NickBrt wrote:
What fantastic contribution do YOU make to Brighton residents wellbeing then Nikski that makes you such an arrogant expert?
Er, well I have spent 18 years supporting homeless people, people with mental health issues, people with learning disabilities, drug and alcohol issues, older people with dementia and young people with autism and challenging behaviour. What contribution have you made NickBrt?
I also worked 'on the bins' back in the 90's when we had to carry the metal dustbins on our backs and really did get covered in all sorts. No wheelie bins in those days...ho hum!
[quote][p][bold]NickBrt[/bold] wrote: What fantastic contribution do YOU make to Brighton residents wellbeing then Nikski that makes you such an arrogant expert?[/p][/quote]Er, well I have spent 18 years supporting homeless people, people with mental health issues, people with learning disabilities, drug and alcohol issues, older people with dementia and young people with autism and challenging behaviour. What contribution have you made NickBrt? I also worked 'on the bins' back in the 90's when we had to carry the metal dustbins on our backs and really did get covered in all sorts. No wheelie bins in those days...ho hum! Nikski

10:01am Fri 21 Jun 13

Valerie Paynter says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Valerie I am sure you know how we can raise money as a city and save money to help align the salaries.
First, sell off some of the council offices which are so badly maintained they are probably already costing money, reduce the parking costs and return free parking after 6pm to plug the revenue shortfall, make student properties liable for council tax, particularly now we have an increasing number of very, very wealthy overseas students entering the city - two lots near me have a new BMW and a new Mini Cooper.
Get rid of the sheep, start charging private bus companies to use the bus lanes and the repair of them- align these fees with their profits.
That's for starters. There are a few elected councillors we could lose too to save a few thousand on allowances.
DEAD right about the students. Spot, bleedin' on.

When I was at Sussex University at the start of the 1990's it was massively overprovided with car parks and the one at the southernmost end was always totally empty - maybe used when people came to the Gardner Centre.

For the last 10 years every carpark there is chokka 24/7 and 365.

Very, very rich students now populate the universities since student grants were abolished and tuition fees introduced as well. And many, many are from overseas.

Housing is diverted to them; they pay no council tax; they are only here for themselves and may or may not remain after graduation. Those that remain are taking all the unskilled jobs (because that is all there is) and the uneducated and unskilled are out in the cold and becoming increasingly marginalised and homeless to boot.

Tony Mernagh gave a really brilliant presentation at Culture and Economic Development, with that last detail in it, yesterday.

Council tax for students: and means tested. Go for it. They make the biggest contribution of all to refuse, street cleaning needs, the least to recycling and take the most out in terms of advantages.
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Valerie I am sure you know how we can raise money as a city and save money to help align the salaries. First, sell off some of the council offices which are so badly maintained they are probably already costing money, reduce the parking costs and return free parking after 6pm to plug the revenue shortfall, make student properties liable for council tax, particularly now we have an increasing number of very, very wealthy overseas students entering the city - two lots near me have a new BMW and a new Mini Cooper. Get rid of the sheep, start charging private bus companies to use the bus lanes and the repair of them- align these fees with their profits. That's for starters. There are a few elected councillors we could lose too to save a few thousand on allowances.[/p][/quote]DEAD right about the students. Spot, bleedin' on. When I was at Sussex University at the start of the 1990's it was massively overprovided with car parks and the one at the southernmost end was always totally empty - maybe used when people came to the Gardner Centre. For the last 10 years every carpark there is chokka 24/7 and 365. Very, very rich students now populate the universities since student grants were abolished and tuition fees introduced as well. And many, many are from overseas. Housing is diverted to them; they pay no council tax; they are only here for themselves and may or may not remain after graduation. Those that remain are taking all the unskilled jobs (because that is all there is) and the uneducated and unskilled are out in the cold and becoming increasingly marginalised and homeless to boot. Tony Mernagh gave a really brilliant presentation at Culture and Economic Development, with that last detail in it, yesterday. Council tax for students: and means tested. Go for it. They make the biggest contribution of all to refuse, street cleaning needs, the least to recycling and take the most out in terms of advantages. Valerie Paynter

10:06am Fri 21 Jun 13

Crystal Ball says...

Nikski wrote:
Oh dear me, an agreement may have been reached at last and Brighton may get cleaned up and all we get on here, save the odd voice of reason, is the usual ignorant, hateful, misinformed bile about the Greens, Jason Kitcat, Penny Thompson etc etc.....you people who make personal attacks on other human beings just reveal yourselves to be the pathetic, bitter and twisted individuals you really are. It's not Mr Kitcat or the Greens who are responsible for this mess; the other parties just haven't had the guts to deal with these issues. Please try to use some intelligence and look at the causes not the effects and separate the personal from the political, if you can!
Another thing, being a bin person is not hard and it's not skilled, they just have to wheel a bin a few yards and attach it to the back of a truck. Anything more than that and they won't do it! Of course we need them but lots of people do important jobs, like the care workers who will be better off under these proposal and they don't go on strike, put vulnerable people at risk or hold a city to ransom by turning it into a garbage heap. Think on that.
It's a public forum. Deal with it.
[quote][p][bold]Nikski[/bold] wrote: Oh dear me, an agreement may have been reached at last and Brighton may get cleaned up and all we get on here, save the odd voice of reason, is the usual ignorant, hateful, misinformed bile about the Greens, Jason Kitcat, Penny Thompson etc etc.....you people who make personal attacks on other human beings just reveal yourselves to be the pathetic, bitter and twisted individuals you really are. It's not Mr Kitcat or the Greens who are responsible for this mess; the other parties just haven't had the guts to deal with these issues. Please try to use some intelligence and look at the causes not the effects and separate the personal from the political, if you can! Another thing, being a bin person is not hard and it's not skilled, they just have to wheel a bin a few yards and attach it to the back of a truck. Anything more than that and they won't do it! Of course we need them but lots of people do important jobs, like the care workers who will be better off under these proposal and they don't go on strike, put vulnerable people at risk or hold a city to ransom by turning it into a garbage heap. Think on that.[/p][/quote]It's a public forum. Deal with it. Crystal Ball

10:07am Fri 21 Jun 13

Flippin Burghers says...

I can't see any mentions of top selling crime writer Peter James in this article.
I can't see any mentions of top selling crime writer Peter James in this article. Flippin Burghers

10:18am Fri 21 Jun 13

BeeJam says...

Nikski wrote:
NickBrt wrote:
What fantastic contribution do YOU make to Brighton residents wellbeing then Nikski that makes you such an arrogant expert?
Er, well I have spent 18 years supporting homeless people, people with mental health issues, people with learning disabilities, drug and alcohol issues, older people with dementia and young people with autism and challenging behaviour. What contribution have you made NickBrt?
I also worked 'on the bins' back in the 90's when we had to carry the metal dustbins on our backs and really did get covered in all sorts. No wheelie bins in those days...ho hum!
ha ha. Yeah, this.
[quote][p][bold]Nikski[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NickBrt[/bold] wrote: What fantastic contribution do YOU make to Brighton residents wellbeing then Nikski that makes you such an arrogant expert?[/p][/quote]Er, well I have spent 18 years supporting homeless people, people with mental health issues, people with learning disabilities, drug and alcohol issues, older people with dementia and young people with autism and challenging behaviour. What contribution have you made NickBrt? I also worked 'on the bins' back in the 90's when we had to carry the metal dustbins on our backs and really did get covered in all sorts. No wheelie bins in those days...ho hum![/p][/quote]ha ha. Yeah, this. BeeJam

10:23am Fri 21 Jun 13

monkeymoo says...

All the money these 'bin men' have lost through striking....

....Will now be made back and doubled.....

...Through the overtime in cleaning up the rubbish.

Very clever tactic, managing to get paid more, to do the job you should have done already!!!

Well done!
All the money these 'bin men' have lost through striking.... ....Will now be made back and doubled..... ...Through the overtime in cleaning up the rubbish. Very clever tactic, managing to get paid more, to do the job you should have done already!!! Well done! monkeymoo

10:25am Fri 21 Jun 13

Plantpot says...

Morpheus wrote:
deanaprior wrote:
good service redesign proposal

All high ranking Council Officers use phrases like this.Its why they are pad 150k a year
When she told us she was working night and day to solve the dispute we now know what she was doing. This ridiculous expression is all she has come up with, but does anybody have a clue what it means?
I can guess and it sounds like what I have alluded to in a few posts. it was always the obvious solution.
[quote][p][bold]Morpheus[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]deanaprior[/bold] wrote: good service redesign proposal All high ranking Council Officers use phrases like this.Its why they are pad 150k a year[/p][/quote]When she told us she was working night and day to solve the dispute we now know what she was doing. This ridiculous expression is all she has come up with, but does anybody have a clue what it means?[/p][/quote]I can guess and it sounds like what I have alluded to in a few posts. it was always the obvious solution. Plantpot

10:25am Fri 21 Jun 13

Solyent Green says...

Nikski wrote:
NickBrt wrote:
What fantastic contribution do YOU make to Brighton residents wellbeing then Nikski that makes you such an arrogant expert?
Er, well I have spent 18 years supporting homeless people, people with mental health issues, people with learning disabilities, drug and alcohol issues, older people with dementia and young people with autism and challenging behaviour. What contribution have you made NickBrt?
I also worked 'on the bins' back in the 90's when we had to carry the metal dustbins on our backs and really did get covered in all sorts. No wheelie bins in those days...ho hum!
Oh! Dear NickBrt, that was embarrassing, like a slap, with a wet fish, across the face!
Nikski certainly left you and your accusation, completely all over the place!

It seems that he does have the experience, and the qualifications to go with it too!
So be careful before you cast aspirations, they might just make an @rse out of you!

Now! Before you ask about me! 14 of my employees live here,
And I pay over £15,000 in Business taxes, to this Council each year,

I have my waste collected privately, they do not service my pavements and roads,
I get nothing at all back from the Council, want to know what our future bodes?

We are moving the Company to Worthing, the tax is less onerous there,
My staff can move with the company, or stay in Brighton, or even car share!

You see parking charges are unsustainable, the Council tax is not at all fair..
So we will relocate to nearby Worthing, PLUS! they don't have the Greens in, over there!

Personally I will stay in the Town, as I live in a very exclusive part,
Extensive views and nice gardens
from which at the moment, I don't wish to part.

I am far enough away from the Town, for this just to be a spectator sport,
Now! back to your humiliating slapdown, to you, a lesson has been well and truly taught!
[quote][p][bold]Nikski[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NickBrt[/bold] wrote: What fantastic contribution do YOU make to Brighton residents wellbeing then Nikski that makes you such an arrogant expert?[/p][/quote]Er, well I have spent 18 years supporting homeless people, people with mental health issues, people with learning disabilities, drug and alcohol issues, older people with dementia and young people with autism and challenging behaviour. What contribution have you made NickBrt? I also worked 'on the bins' back in the 90's when we had to carry the metal dustbins on our backs and really did get covered in all sorts. No wheelie bins in those days...ho hum![/p][/quote]Oh! Dear NickBrt, that was embarrassing, like a slap, with a wet fish, across the face! Nikski certainly left you and your accusation, completely all over the place! It seems that he does have the experience, and the qualifications to go with it too! So be careful before you cast aspirations, they might just make an @rse out of you! Now! Before you ask about me! 14 of my employees live here, And I pay over £15,000 in Business taxes, to this Council each year, I have my waste collected privately, they do not service my pavements and roads, I get nothing at all back from the Council, want to know what our future bodes? We are moving the Company to Worthing, the tax is less onerous there, My staff can move with the company, or stay in Brighton, or even car share! You see parking charges are unsustainable, the Council tax is not at all fair.. So we will relocate to nearby Worthing, PLUS! they don't have the Greens in, over there! Personally I will stay in the Town, as I live in a very exclusive part, Extensive views and nice gardens from which at the moment, I don't wish to part. I am far enough away from the Town, for this just to be a spectator sport, Now! back to your humiliating slapdown, to you, a lesson has been well and truly taught! Solyent Green

10:28am Fri 21 Jun 13

thevoiceoftruth says...

I have even more respect for the refuse workers than I did before. It just shows how important their job is and it's shocking how much rubbish is produced in just one week. Some people have shown themselves to be filthy pigs. At the end of my street one person has dirty nappies and crap scattered all over the pavement from the feeble bin sack they plonked outside mid-strike. Did they pick it up? No, not their job it seems. Unfortunately that attitude is rife and that's why we spend so much on rubbish collection in this country. Residents have to take some responsibility for the mess created.
I have even more respect for the refuse workers than I did before. It just shows how important their job is and it's shocking how much rubbish is produced in just one week. Some people have shown themselves to be filthy pigs. At the end of my street one person has dirty nappies and crap scattered all over the pavement from the feeble bin sack they plonked outside mid-strike. Did they pick it up? No, not their job it seems. Unfortunately that attitude is rife and that's why we spend so much on rubbish collection in this country. Residents have to take some responsibility for the mess created. thevoiceoftruth

10:32am Fri 21 Jun 13

Solyent Green says...

Flippin Burghers wrote:
I can't see any mentions of top selling crime writer Peter James in this article.
I wondered about this myself, Although once this week, should suffice!
He was in it only the day before yesterday, my question is Where's Katy Price!

And what of the 'Local Businessman' Mike Holland, where is his smiling face!
They are usually plugging some venture, or have planning issues to chase!

Now! Is the Argus slipping here.. or is it just their way!..
Of letting us know apart from Peter James, the other two are on holiday!
[quote][p][bold]Flippin Burghers[/bold] wrote: I can't see any mentions of top selling crime writer Peter James in this article.[/p][/quote]I wondered about this myself, Although once this week, should suffice! He was in it only the day before yesterday, my question is Where's Katy Price! And what of the 'Local Businessman' Mike Holland, where is his smiling face! They are usually plugging some venture, or have planning issues to chase! Now! Is the Argus slipping here.. or is it just their way!.. Of letting us know apart from Peter James, the other two are on holiday! Solyent Green

10:38am Fri 21 Jun 13

pinky1 says...

Well what a surprise the great Brighton dustmen have held the city to ransom again and it looks like some body some where, or some other group of workers will pay for it I can't wait to see what was offered to them and why now they should say that this will work if the majority of bin-men agree to this then what's the old say "NO GAIN WITH OUT PAIN" I bet you some body will get stuffed some where......!!!!
Well what a surprise the great Brighton dustmen have held the city to ransom again and it looks like some body some where, or some other group of workers will pay for it I can't wait to see what was offered to them and why now they should say that this will work if the majority of bin-men agree to this then what's the old say "NO GAIN WITH OUT PAIN" I bet you some body will get stuffed some where......!!!! pinky1

10:39am Fri 21 Jun 13

ThornyJim says...

Nikski wrote:
Oh dear me, an agreement may have been reached at last and Brighton may get cleaned up and all we get on here, save the odd voice of reason, is the usual ignorant, hateful, misinformed bile about the Greens, Jason Kitcat, Penny Thompson etc etc.....you people who make personal attacks on other human beings just reveal yourselves to be the pathetic, bitter and twisted individuals you really are. It's not Mr Kitcat or the Greens who are responsible for this mess; the other parties just haven't had the guts to deal with these issues. Please try to use some intelligence and look at the causes not the effects and separate the personal from the political, if you can!
Another thing, being a bin person is not hard and it's not skilled, they just have to wheel a bin a few yards and attach it to the back of a truck. Anything more than that and they won't do it! Of course we need them but lots of people do important jobs, like the care workers who will be better off under these proposal and they don't go on strike, put vulnerable people at risk or hold a city to ransom by turning it into a garbage heap. Think on that.
Well said! Indeed, being a binman is not taxing and is the type of job that you don't have to take home at night. I have known bin men who were marathon runners who liked the job because it kept them fit and outdoors. There are also countless other applicants lining up to do these jobs when a vacancy arises. Many of these guys take pride in what they do and work hard. They also know who the refuse crews are that have better bonus conditions than them and it causes tensions, so getting the pay and terms equalised is very important (Brighton is far from unique in this situation). Hopefully a deal will now be reached with the GMB, however I personally wouldn't rule out further strike action until this has been confirmed. If the Greens pull this off and at a price that is fair to the taxpayer, they are to be congratulated!

Of course, the council could (and in my opinion SHOULD) go even further and introduce fortnightly refuse collections. I'm sure the whingers on here will hate this idea...but it would enable the number of refuse crews to be halved and save several £million more for the taxpayer. With a decent recycling service why do residents need their rubbish bins collected every week? Don't think the GMB and many of the posters here will like that idea somehow.....
[quote][p][bold]Nikski[/bold] wrote: Oh dear me, an agreement may have been reached at last and Brighton may get cleaned up and all we get on here, save the odd voice of reason, is the usual ignorant, hateful, misinformed bile about the Greens, Jason Kitcat, Penny Thompson etc etc.....you people who make personal attacks on other human beings just reveal yourselves to be the pathetic, bitter and twisted individuals you really are. It's not Mr Kitcat or the Greens who are responsible for this mess; the other parties just haven't had the guts to deal with these issues. Please try to use some intelligence and look at the causes not the effects and separate the personal from the political, if you can! Another thing, being a bin person is not hard and it's not skilled, they just have to wheel a bin a few yards and attach it to the back of a truck. Anything more than that and they won't do it! Of course we need them but lots of people do important jobs, like the care workers who will be better off under these proposal and they don't go on strike, put vulnerable people at risk or hold a city to ransom by turning it into a garbage heap. Think on that.[/p][/quote]Well said! Indeed, being a binman is not taxing and is the type of job that you don't have to take home at night. I have known bin men who were marathon runners who liked the job because it kept them fit and outdoors. There are also countless other applicants lining up to do these jobs when a vacancy arises. Many of these guys take pride in what they do and work hard. They also know who the refuse crews are that have better bonus conditions than them and it causes tensions, so getting the pay and terms equalised is very important (Brighton is far from unique in this situation). Hopefully a deal will now be reached with the GMB, however I personally wouldn't rule out further strike action until this has been confirmed. If the Greens pull this off and at a price that is fair to the taxpayer, they are to be congratulated! Of course, the council could (and in my opinion SHOULD) go even further and introduce fortnightly refuse collections. I'm sure the whingers on here will hate this idea...but it would enable the number of refuse crews to be halved and save several £million more for the taxpayer. With a decent recycling service why do residents need their rubbish bins collected every week? Don't think the GMB and many of the posters here will like that idea somehow..... ThornyJim

11:02am Fri 21 Jun 13

Scorpio50 says...

PenPushingPauper wrote:
Scorpio50 wrote:
BornInBrighton1968 wrote: Now lets get rid of the incompetent, spiteful, ultra politically-correct Marxist Green council...
I couldn't agree more! Lets vote this shower out but 2015 is still a long way away......What can we do?
I think you guys might be looking for the Daily Mail website
It's okay I know where that is.......By the way am I not allowed an opinion, or is it just what you believe goes? It's a free Country, or it was last time I looked.
[quote][p][bold]PenPushingPauper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Scorpio50[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BornInBrighton1968[/bold] wrote: Now lets get rid of the incompetent, spiteful, ultra politically-correct Marxist Green council...[/p][/quote]I couldn't agree more! Lets vote this shower out but 2015 is still a long way away......What can we do?[/p][/quote]I think you guys might be looking for the Daily Mail website[/p][/quote]It's okay I know where that is.......By the way am I not allowed an opinion, or is it just what you believe goes? It's a free Country, or it was last time I looked. Scorpio50

11:04am Fri 21 Jun 13

Valerie Paynter says...

Scorpio50 wrote:
PenPushingPauper wrote:
Scorpio50 wrote:
BornInBrighton1968 wrote: Now lets get rid of the incompetent, spiteful, ultra politically-correct Marxist Green council...
I couldn't agree more! Lets vote this shower out but 2015 is still a long way away......What can we do?
I think you guys might be looking for the Daily Mail website
It's okay I know where that is.......By the way am I not allowed an opinion, or is it just what you believe goes? It's a free Country, or it was last time I looked.
You are allowed an opinion but you show yourself up as perhaps not understanding that the opinion should bear some relation to the topic you choose to comment on.

Capishe?
[quote][p][bold]Scorpio50[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PenPushingPauper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Scorpio50[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BornInBrighton1968[/bold] wrote: Now lets get rid of the incompetent, spiteful, ultra politically-correct Marxist Green council...[/p][/quote]I couldn't agree more! Lets vote this shower out but 2015 is still a long way away......What can we do?[/p][/quote]I think you guys might be looking for the Daily Mail website[/p][/quote]It's okay I know where that is.......By the way am I not allowed an opinion, or is it just what you believe goes? It's a free Country, or it was last time I looked.[/p][/quote]You are allowed an opinion but you show yourself up as perhaps not understanding that the opinion should bear some relation to the topic you choose to comment on. Capishe? Valerie Paynter

11:08am Fri 21 Jun 13

Crystal Ball says...

I think you'll find it's spelt "capisce".
I think you'll find it's spelt "capisce". Crystal Ball

11:08am Fri 21 Jun 13

Valerie Paynter says...

ThornyJim wrote:
Nikski wrote:
Oh dear me, an agreement may have been reached at last and Brighton may get cleaned up and all we get on here, save the odd voice of reason, is the usual ignorant, hateful, misinformed bile about the Greens, Jason Kitcat, Penny Thompson etc etc.....you people who make personal attacks on other human beings just reveal yourselves to be the pathetic, bitter and twisted individuals you really are. It's not Mr Kitcat or the Greens who are responsible for this mess; the other parties just haven't had the guts to deal with these issues. Please try to use some intelligence and look at the causes not the effects and separate the personal from the political, if you can!
Another thing, being a bin person is not hard and it's not skilled, they just have to wheel a bin a few yards and attach it to the back of a truck. Anything more than that and they won't do it! Of course we need them but lots of people do important jobs, like the care workers who will be better off under these proposal and they don't go on strike, put vulnerable people at risk or hold a city to ransom by turning it into a garbage heap. Think on that.
Well said! Indeed, being a binman is not taxing and is the type of job that you don't have to take home at night. I have known bin men who were marathon runners who liked the job because it kept them fit and outdoors. There are also countless other applicants lining up to do these jobs when a vacancy arises. Many of these guys take pride in what they do and work hard. They also know who the refuse crews are that have better bonus conditions than them and it causes tensions, so getting the pay and terms equalised is very important (Brighton is far from unique in this situation). Hopefully a deal will now be reached with the GMB, however I personally wouldn't rule out further strike action until this has been confirmed. If the Greens pull this off and at a price that is fair to the taxpayer, they are to be congratulated!

Of course, the council could (and in my opinion SHOULD) go even further and introduce fortnightly refuse collections. I'm sure the whingers on here will hate this idea...but it would enable the number of refuse crews to be halved and save several £million more for the taxpayer. With a decent recycling service why do residents need their rubbish bins collected every week? Don't think the GMB and many of the posters here will like that idea somehow.....
After one week without bin collections the city went to pieces and the squalor became intolerable. And you think fortnightly would be OK? Really?

You think it would improve recycling? People will just get used to a reduced quality of cleanliness; that is what would happen.
[quote][p][bold]ThornyJim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nikski[/bold] wrote: Oh dear me, an agreement may have been reached at last and Brighton may get cleaned up and all we get on here, save the odd voice of reason, is the usual ignorant, hateful, misinformed bile about the Greens, Jason Kitcat, Penny Thompson etc etc.....you people who make personal attacks on other human beings just reveal yourselves to be the pathetic, bitter and twisted individuals you really are. It's not Mr Kitcat or the Greens who are responsible for this mess; the other parties just haven't had the guts to deal with these issues. Please try to use some intelligence and look at the causes not the effects and separate the personal from the political, if you can! Another thing, being a bin person is not hard and it's not skilled, they just have to wheel a bin a few yards and attach it to the back of a truck. Anything more than that and they won't do it! Of course we need them but lots of people do important jobs, like the care workers who will be better off under these proposal and they don't go on strike, put vulnerable people at risk or hold a city to ransom by turning it into a garbage heap. Think on that.[/p][/quote]Well said! Indeed, being a binman is not taxing and is the type of job that you don't have to take home at night. I have known bin men who were marathon runners who liked the job because it kept them fit and outdoors. There are also countless other applicants lining up to do these jobs when a vacancy arises. Many of these guys take pride in what they do and work hard. They also know who the refuse crews are that have better bonus conditions than them and it causes tensions, so getting the pay and terms equalised is very important (Brighton is far from unique in this situation). Hopefully a deal will now be reached with the GMB, however I personally wouldn't rule out further strike action until this has been confirmed. If the Greens pull this off and at a price that is fair to the taxpayer, they are to be congratulated! Of course, the council could (and in my opinion SHOULD) go even further and introduce fortnightly refuse collections. I'm sure the whingers on here will hate this idea...but it would enable the number of refuse crews to be halved and save several £million more for the taxpayer. With a decent recycling service why do residents need their rubbish bins collected every week? Don't think the GMB and many of the posters here will like that idea somehow.....[/p][/quote]After one week without bin collections the city went to pieces and the squalor became intolerable. And you think fortnightly would be OK? Really? You think it would improve recycling? People will just get used to a reduced quality of cleanliness; that is what would happen. Valerie Paynter

11:10am Fri 21 Jun 13

Valerie Paynter says...

Crystal Ball wrote:
I think you'll find it's spelt "capisce".
Do you know I DID spell it that way and then thought it must be wrong. I wonder if your spelling is right...have never known how to spell it...........
[quote][p][bold]Crystal Ball[/bold] wrote: I think you'll find it's spelt "capisce".[/p][/quote]Do you know I DID spell it that way and then thought it must be wrong. I wonder if your spelling is right...have never known how to spell it........... Valerie Paynter

11:14am Fri 21 Jun 13

Valerie Paynter says...

thevoiceoftruth wrote:
I have even more respect for the refuse workers than I did before. It just shows how important their job is and it's shocking how much rubbish is produced in just one week. Some people have shown themselves to be filthy pigs. At the end of my street one person has dirty nappies and crap scattered all over the pavement from the feeble bin sack they plonked outside mid-strike. Did they pick it up? No, not their job it seems. Unfortunately that attitude is rife and that's why we spend so much on rubbish collection in this country. Residents have to take some responsibility for the mess created.
Put a constructive suggestion through their letterbox about how to secure their rubbish - they might not have much in the top storey - might need the assistance. Embarrass them into behaving better.
[quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: I have even more respect for the refuse workers than I did before. It just shows how important their job is and it's shocking how much rubbish is produced in just one week. Some people have shown themselves to be filthy pigs. At the end of my street one person has dirty nappies and crap scattered all over the pavement from the feeble bin sack they plonked outside mid-strike. Did they pick it up? No, not their job it seems. Unfortunately that attitude is rife and that's why we spend so much on rubbish collection in this country. Residents have to take some responsibility for the mess created.[/p][/quote]Put a constructive suggestion through their letterbox about how to secure their rubbish - they might not have much in the top storey - might need the assistance. Embarrass them into behaving better. Valerie Paynter

11:19am Fri 21 Jun 13

scootergirly says...

So at least we will now get a service for which we have paid for! Shame the unions win their holding of the town to ransom again but such is life. How many weeks till normal service will resume and Brighton doesn't look like a scene from a foreign slum city?
So at least we will now get a service for which we have paid for! Shame the unions win their holding of the town to ransom again but such is life. How many weeks till normal service will resume and Brighton doesn't look like a scene from a foreign slum city? scootergirly

11:20am Fri 21 Jun 13

major_m says...

"ThornyJim says...
10:39am Fri 21 Jun 13.Of course, the council could (and in my opinion SHOULD) go even further and introduce fortnightly refuse collections. I'm sure the whingers on here will hate this idea...but it would enable the number of refuse crews to be halved and save several £million more for the taxpayer. With a decent recycling service why do residents need their rubbish bins collected every week? Don't think the GMB and many of the posters here will like that idea somehow....."

No, I do not like that idea, unless I see a significant reduction in my council tax bill.

You see, many of us tax payers do not really benefit from the councils services on offer, with the exception of the refuge collection.
(The city's general upkeep seems neglected, in comparison with many European seaside towns/cities, with little evidence of money being spent on it.)

So, your suggestion that B&H should suffer further degrading in general services is ridicules (unless my council tax bill is reduced). And, do not for one minute think that any money saved on compromising refuge collection would benefit the city at large in any way, that would be naive..
"ThornyJim says... 10:39am Fri 21 Jun 13.Of course, the council could (and in my opinion SHOULD) go even further and introduce fortnightly refuse collections. I'm sure the whingers on here will hate this idea...but it would enable the number of refuse crews to be halved and save several £million more for the taxpayer. With a decent recycling service why do residents need their rubbish bins collected every week? Don't think the GMB and many of the posters here will like that idea somehow....." No, I do not like that idea, unless I see a significant reduction in my council tax bill. You see, many of us tax payers do not really benefit from the councils services on offer, with the exception of the refuge collection. (The city's general upkeep seems neglected, in comparison with many European seaside towns/cities, with little evidence of money being spent on it.) So, your suggestion that B&H should suffer further degrading in general services is ridicules (unless my council tax bill is reduced). And, do not for one minute think that any money saved on compromising refuge collection would benefit the city at large in any way, that would be naive.. major_m

11:21am Fri 21 Jun 13

Mrs Newcastle says...

Valerie Paynter wrote:
76robmac wrote:
I think that it's about time that incompetent councils could be voted out before the end of their term. This bunch have cost Brighton a great deal and believe it will take a long time before we are back to status quo
Boring troll with no comment on the article? You aren't worth reading, troll.
Is your comment a comment on the article and worth reading?????your words are about you. I just want to say i enjoying reading what everyone has to say even when i don't necessary like it or agree. You know sometimes those comment that push your buttons its where your own personal growth lies.It seems I did not also comment on the article either. Please don't bother reading what i wrote Valerie. If you having a bad day please take it out on me and have this one on me. Hang on i just make a few speling mistates it that will help you too.
[quote][p][bold]Valerie Paynter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]76robmac[/bold] wrote: I think that it's about time that incompetent councils could be voted out before the end of their term. This bunch have cost Brighton a great deal and believe it will take a long time before we are back to status quo[/p][/quote]Boring troll with no comment on the article? You aren't worth reading, troll.[/p][/quote]Is your comment a comment on the article and worth reading?????your words are about you. I just want to say i enjoying reading what everyone has to say even when i don't necessary like it or agree. You know sometimes those comment that push your buttons its where your own personal growth lies.It seems I did not also comment on the article either. Please don't bother reading what i wrote Valerie. If you having a bad day please take it out on me and have this one on me. Hang on i just make a few speling mistates it that will help you too. Mrs Newcastle

11:24am Fri 21 Jun 13

BornInBrighton1968 says...

And where was the leadership from the Green Party during the strike? Kitcat was hiding away in his Council Führer-Bunker, and Lucas was perpetually Tweeting nonsense about her anti-Page 3 crusade.

The Greens would be completely incapable of running a children’s Birthday party, let alone Brighton and Hove; the sooner that there is a vote of no-confidence against these clowns, the better…
And where was the leadership from the Green Party during the strike? Kitcat was hiding away in his Council Führer-Bunker, and Lucas was perpetually Tweeting nonsense about her anti-Page 3 crusade. The Greens would be completely incapable of running a children’s Birthday party, let alone Brighton and Hove; the sooner that there is a vote of no-confidence against these clowns, the better… BornInBrighton1968

11:32am Fri 21 Jun 13

Michael Inkpin-Leissner says...

thevoiceoftruth wrote:
I have even more respect for the refuse workers than I did before. It just shows how important their job is and it's shocking how much rubbish is produced in just one week. Some people have shown themselves to be filthy pigs. At the end of my street one person has dirty nappies and crap scattered all over the pavement from the feeble bin sack they plonked outside mid-strike. Did they pick it up? No, not their job it seems. Unfortunately that attitude is rife and that's why we spend so much on rubbish collection in this country. Residents have to take some responsibility for the mess created.
I really do agree on that. We had the same situation in Coldean.

I do hope the offer from the council is acceptable for the binmen. I saw you guys this morning and you did a fab job on Lewis Road. Thank you, guys!
[quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: I have even more respect for the refuse workers than I did before. It just shows how important their job is and it's shocking how much rubbish is produced in just one week. Some people have shown themselves to be filthy pigs. At the end of my street one person has dirty nappies and crap scattered all over the pavement from the feeble bin sack they plonked outside mid-strike. Did they pick it up? No, not their job it seems. Unfortunately that attitude is rife and that's why we spend so much on rubbish collection in this country. Residents have to take some responsibility for the mess created.[/p][/quote]I really do agree on that. We had the same situation in Coldean. I do hope the offer from the council is acceptable for the binmen. I saw you guys this morning and you did a fab job on Lewis Road. Thank you, guys! Michael Inkpin-Leissner

11:32am Fri 21 Jun 13

PJW Brighton says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
PwJ check out the rate of business rates being collected by the council. The city's businesses are struggling. Walk up North Street and see key locations shut down.
Parking used to be free after 6pm in the city now its £7 to park and only free after 8pm.
During half term, when many parents would pack their kids into the car and pop into donatellos for an early evening meal, this year town was dead. Parents park in the free Marina or out of town. During half term
Week, Restaurants were empty, the pier shut early, the wheel turned without any customers. Winter is even worse.
While the weekend trade may be good, locals have deserted the town in the weekday evenings and if you talk to businesses things are desperate for some.
The council is also now recording huge revenue shortfalls in parking fees. Will the council tax be raised to make this up? Who will pay the shortfall in business rates as more businesses shut.
Go into town of an early evening and look and get talking to staff in shops
And restaurants.
I am in town, running my business in BN1, and often talk to other business. The things that we are suffering are not caused by the Greens, but the recessions, austerity and the crazy climate change fueled weather we are having. The Green plans to re-vamp the Victoria Gardens area and shift the traffic will at least help my business and those nearby. I cycle home from work each day on one of their new cycle lanes as well.
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: PwJ check out the rate of business rates being collected by the council. The city's businesses are struggling. Walk up North Street and see key locations shut down. Parking used to be free after 6pm in the city now its £7 to park and only free after 8pm. During half term, when many parents would pack their kids into the car and pop into donatellos for an early evening meal, this year town was dead. Parents park in the free Marina or out of town. During half term Week, Restaurants were empty, the pier shut early, the wheel turned without any customers. Winter is even worse. While the weekend trade may be good, locals have deserted the town in the weekday evenings and if you talk to businesses things are desperate for some. The council is also now recording huge revenue shortfalls in parking fees. Will the council tax be raised to make this up? Who will pay the shortfall in business rates as more businesses shut. Go into town of an early evening and look and get talking to staff in shops And restaurants.[/p][/quote]I am in town, running my business in BN1, and often talk to other business. The things that we are suffering are not caused by the Greens, but the recessions, austerity and the crazy climate change fueled weather we are having. The Green plans to re-vamp the Victoria Gardens area and shift the traffic will at least help my business and those nearby. I cycle home from work each day on one of their new cycle lanes as well. PJW Brighton

11:54am Fri 21 Jun 13

Ballroom Blitz says...

Can anyone confirm or deny the rumour I have heard, and that is that all the cityclean staff are now being paid double time to clear up the mess that their strike has left, so basically their strike won't have cost them anything in pay loss?
Yes or no? Anyone know the answer?
Can anyone confirm or deny the rumour I have heard, and that is that all the cityclean staff are now being paid double time to clear up the mess that their strike has left, so basically their strike won't have cost them anything in pay loss? Yes or no? Anyone know the answer? Ballroom Blitz

12:12pm Fri 21 Jun 13

NickBtn says...

Great news that the strike is over. Be interesting to see details of the settlement

Very interesting Argus debate including green councillor Ben Duncan. Luckily he hasn't been involved with the negotiations as he seems to have a very idealistic and unrealistic view of the world. He suggests that the solution is to pay all council workers more estimating a £10m per year cost. He sees getting an extra £10m as "eminently achievable".

For £10m to come from council taxpayers this would be around £40 per person every year (based on 250000 residents). So this back of the envelope calculation gives a council tax rise for 2 parents and 2 children £160 on average. So, depending on house, around a 10% rise. That is not "eminently achievable"

Or perhaps the £10m could be found from savings across the £400m budget as Ben Duncan implies. That is a Tory argument for cost cutting, so what departments would lose £10m to fund the pay rise?

Very worrying ideas which don't seem to be thought through. Fair enough when you're a protest party but this shows that the greens, unfortunately, aren't suitable to be leading a council
Great news that the strike is over. Be interesting to see details of the settlement Very interesting Argus debate including green councillor Ben Duncan. Luckily he hasn't been involved with the negotiations as he seems to have a very idealistic and unrealistic view of the world. He suggests that the solution is to pay all council workers more estimating a £10m per year cost. He sees getting an extra £10m as "eminently achievable". For £10m to come from council taxpayers this would be around £40 per person every year (based on 250000 residents). So this back of the envelope calculation gives a council tax rise for 2 parents and 2 children £160 on average. So, depending on house, around a 10% rise. That is not "eminently achievable" Or perhaps the £10m could be found from savings across the £400m budget as Ben Duncan implies. That is a Tory argument for cost cutting, so what departments would lose £10m to fund the pay rise? Very worrying ideas which don't seem to be thought through. Fair enough when you're a protest party but this shows that the greens, unfortunately, aren't suitable to be leading a council NickBtn

12:20pm Fri 21 Jun 13

BornInBrighton1968 says...

Ballroom Blitz wrote:
Can anyone confirm or deny the rumour I have heard, and that is that all the cityclean staff are now being paid double time to clear up the mess that their strike has left, so basically their strike won't have cost them anything in pay loss?
Yes or no? Anyone know the answer?
Funnily enough, about 10 minutes ago I received a text from a friend who works for the council, alleging the same thing
[quote][p][bold]Ballroom Blitz[/bold] wrote: Can anyone confirm or deny the rumour I have heard, and that is that all the cityclean staff are now being paid double time to clear up the mess that their strike has left, so basically their strike won't have cost them anything in pay loss? Yes or no? Anyone know the answer?[/p][/quote]Funnily enough, about 10 minutes ago I received a text from a friend who works for the council, alleging the same thing BornInBrighton1968

12:21pm Fri 21 Jun 13

Plantpot says...

PJW Brighton wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
PwJ check out the rate of business rates being collected by the council. The city's businesses are struggling. Walk up North Street and see key locations shut down.
Parking used to be free after 6pm in the city now its £7 to park and only free after 8pm.
During half term, when many parents would pack their kids into the car and pop into donatellos for an early evening meal, this year town was dead. Parents park in the free Marina or out of town. During half term
Week, Restaurants were empty, the pier shut early, the wheel turned without any customers. Winter is even worse.
While the weekend trade may be good, locals have deserted the town in the weekday evenings and if you talk to businesses things are desperate for some.
The council is also now recording huge revenue shortfalls in parking fees. Will the council tax be raised to make this up? Who will pay the shortfall in business rates as more businesses shut.
Go into town of an early evening and look and get talking to staff in shops
And restaurants.
I am in town, running my business in BN1, and often talk to other business. The things that we are suffering are not caused by the Greens, but the recessions, austerity and the crazy climate change fueled weather we are having. The Green plans to re-vamp the Victoria Gardens area and shift the traffic will at least help my business and those nearby. I cycle home from work each day on one of their new cycle lanes as well.
I wondered who uses the cycle lanes. Now I know.
[quote][p][bold]PJW Brighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: PwJ check out the rate of business rates being collected by the council. The city's businesses are struggling. Walk up North Street and see key locations shut down. Parking used to be free after 6pm in the city now its £7 to park and only free after 8pm. During half term, when many parents would pack their kids into the car and pop into donatellos for an early evening meal, this year town was dead. Parents park in the free Marina or out of town. During half term Week, Restaurants were empty, the pier shut early, the wheel turned without any customers. Winter is even worse. While the weekend trade may be good, locals have deserted the town in the weekday evenings and if you talk to businesses things are desperate for some. The council is also now recording huge revenue shortfalls in parking fees. Will the council tax be raised to make this up? Who will pay the shortfall in business rates as more businesses shut. Go into town of an early evening and look and get talking to staff in shops And restaurants.[/p][/quote]I am in town, running my business in BN1, and often talk to other business. The things that we are suffering are not caused by the Greens, but the recessions, austerity and the crazy climate change fueled weather we are having. The Green plans to re-vamp the Victoria Gardens area and shift the traffic will at least help my business and those nearby. I cycle home from work each day on one of their new cycle lanes as well.[/p][/quote]I wondered who uses the cycle lanes. Now I know. Plantpot

12:22pm Fri 21 Jun 13

Plantpot says...

What we need now is a nice bit of outsourcing coupled with a radical service redesign to allow changes to working practices and therefore payments and the numbers employed.
What we need now is a nice bit of outsourcing coupled with a radical service redesign to allow changes to working practices and therefore payments and the numbers employed. Plantpot

12:30pm Fri 21 Jun 13

ARMANA says...

ROLL ON THE START OF THE NEW PREMIERSHIP SEASON, I CAN SIT IN FRONT OV THE BOX WIV ME BEER AND FORGET ALL THIS BIN MEN, 20MPH, CYCLE LANES CRAP, COMON MANU,!!!
ROLL ON THE START OF THE NEW PREMIERSHIP SEASON, I CAN SIT IN FRONT OV THE BOX WIV ME BEER AND FORGET ALL THIS BIN MEN, 20MPH, CYCLE LANES CRAP, COMON MANU,!!! ARMANA

12:31pm Fri 21 Jun 13

Minion says...

BornInBrighton1968 wrote:
And where was the leadership from the Green Party during the strike? Kitcat was hiding away in his Council Führer-Bunker, and Lucas was perpetually Tweeting nonsense about her anti-Page 3 crusade.

The Greens would be completely incapable of running a children’s Birthday party, let alone Brighton and Hove; the sooner that there is a vote of no-confidence against these clowns, the better…
haha so true.
The city has turned to sh1t since the Green party has been in charge. Brighton & Hove has been steadily declining anyway but it seems to have sped up over the last year and a half.
The way the city looks even when the binmen aren't on strike is embarrassing, I've noticed more trash strewn around the streets in the last year and a half in general.
They seem to be pumping money into things like cycle lanes, speed limits, overpriced seafront 'fairground rides' etc before taking care of the basics.
Buildings aren't maintained properly, even a lick of paint here and there would make things look nicer.
Brighton seems dirtier and seedier than ever and hove is slowly starting to follow suit.

Maybe I'm just looking for someone to blame for the way the city is changing. It's probably not the Green party's fault that the majority of the true Brightonians left living here are the 'Jeremy Kyle' types, assumably because most Brightonians can no longer afford to rent/buy here with the exception of council house tenants.

Oops sorry for going off topic.
[quote][p][bold]BornInBrighton1968[/bold] wrote: And where was the leadership from the Green Party during the strike? Kitcat was hiding away in his Council Führer-Bunker, and Lucas was perpetually Tweeting nonsense about her anti-Page 3 crusade. The Greens would be completely incapable of running a children’s Birthday party, let alone Brighton and Hove; the sooner that there is a vote of no-confidence against these clowns, the better…[/p][/quote]haha so true. The city has turned to sh1t since the Green party has been in charge. Brighton & Hove has been steadily declining anyway but it seems to have sped up over the last year and a half. The way the city looks even when the binmen aren't on strike is embarrassing, I've noticed more trash strewn around the streets in the last year and a half in general. They seem to be pumping money into things like cycle lanes, speed limits, overpriced seafront 'fairground rides' etc before taking care of the basics. Buildings aren't maintained properly, even a lick of paint here and there would make things look nicer. Brighton seems dirtier and seedier than ever and hove is slowly starting to follow suit. Maybe I'm just looking for someone to blame for the way the city is changing. It's probably not the Green party's fault that the majority of the true Brightonians left living here are the 'Jeremy Kyle' types, assumably because most Brightonians can no longer afford to rent/buy here with the exception of council house tenants. Oops sorry for going off topic. Minion

12:43pm Fri 21 Jun 13

teri65 says...

What makes me laugh is all week the binmen have been slag off now. told they should be sacked .called a load of lazy b.....ds. now today they are doing a brilliant job.make your mind up just goes to show. they were doing a good job in the first place.other wise the streets of brighton would always be like it was this week .just goes give them a bit of respect
What makes me laugh is all week the binmen have been slag off now. told they should be sacked .called a load of lazy b.....ds. now today they are doing a brilliant job.make your mind up just goes to show. they were doing a good job in the first place.other wise the streets of brighton would always be like it was this week .just goes give them a bit of respect teri65

12:43pm Fri 21 Jun 13

Ballroom Blitz says...

BornInBrighton1968 wrote:
Ballroom Blitz wrote:
Can anyone confirm or deny the rumour I have heard, and that is that all the cityclean staff are now being paid double time to clear up the mess that their strike has left, so basically their strike won't have cost them anything in pay loss?
Yes or no? Anyone know the answer?
Funnily enough, about 10 minutes ago I received a text from a friend who works for the council, alleging the same thing
Well, it would be good if someone in the know could let us know how our council tax is being spent, don't you think?
Argus - how about a FOI request?
[quote][p][bold]BornInBrighton1968[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ballroom Blitz[/bold] wrote: Can anyone confirm or deny the rumour I have heard, and that is that all the cityclean staff are now being paid double time to clear up the mess that their strike has left, so basically their strike won't have cost them anything in pay loss? Yes or no? Anyone know the answer?[/p][/quote]Funnily enough, about 10 minutes ago I received a text from a friend who works for the council, alleging the same thing[/p][/quote]Well, it would be good if someone in the know could let us know how our council tax is being spent, don't you think? Argus - how about a FOI request? Ballroom Blitz

12:55pm Fri 21 Jun 13

the_grail says...

teri65 wrote:
What makes me laugh is all week the binmen have been slag off now. told they should be sacked .called a load of lazy b.....ds. now today they are doing a brilliant job.make your mind up just goes to show. they were doing a good job in the first place.other wise the streets of brighton would always be like it was this week .just goes give them a bit of respect
teri65 - sorry, people don't get respect - they earn it.

When they do a good job they earn respect.

When they were on strike and left the city in shambles they lost it.

The question is, how long will it take the binmen to get the respect of the residents back?

This is especially now we have learnt that binmen have a much easier job than we were led to believe.
[quote][p][bold]teri65[/bold] wrote: What makes me laugh is all week the binmen have been slag off now. told they should be sacked .called a load of lazy b.....ds. now today they are doing a brilliant job.make your mind up just goes to show. they were doing a good job in the first place.other wise the streets of brighton would always be like it was this week .just goes give them a bit of respect[/p][/quote]teri65 - sorry, people don't get respect - they earn it. When they do a good job they earn respect. When they were on strike and left the city in shambles they lost it. The question is, how long will it take the binmen to get the respect of the residents back? This is especially now we have learnt that binmen have a much easier job than we were led to believe. the_grail

12:58pm Fri 21 Jun 13

pperrin says...

Ballroom Blitz wrote:
BornInBrighton1968 wrote:
Ballroom Blitz wrote:
Can anyone confirm or deny the rumour I have heard, and that is that all the cityclean staff are now being paid double time to clear up the mess that their strike has left, so basically their strike won't have cost them anything in pay loss?
Yes or no? Anyone know the answer?
Funnily enough, about 10 minutes ago I received a text from a friend who works for the council, alleging the same thing
Well, it would be good if someone in the know could let us know how our council tax is being spent, don't you think?
Argus - how about a FOI request?
I use "What do they know" for my FoI requests...

https://www.whatdoth
eyknow.com/request/m
ake_up_of_cityclean_
workers_pay#outgoing
-280901
[quote][p][bold]Ballroom Blitz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BornInBrighton1968[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ballroom Blitz[/bold] wrote: Can anyone confirm or deny the rumour I have heard, and that is that all the cityclean staff are now being paid double time to clear up the mess that their strike has left, so basically their strike won't have cost them anything in pay loss? Yes or no? Anyone know the answer?[/p][/quote]Funnily enough, about 10 minutes ago I received a text from a friend who works for the council, alleging the same thing[/p][/quote]Well, it would be good if someone in the know could let us know how our council tax is being spent, don't you think? Argus - how about a FOI request?[/p][/quote]I use "What do they know" for my FoI requests... https://www.whatdoth eyknow.com/request/m ake_up_of_cityclean_ workers_pay#outgoing -280901 pperrin

2:50pm Fri 21 Jun 13

PenPushingPauper says...

Scorpio50 wrote:
PenPushingPauper wrote:
Scorpio50 wrote:
BornInBrighton1968 wrote: Now lets get rid of the incompetent, spiteful, ultra politically-correct Marxist Green council...
I couldn't agree more! Lets vote this shower out but 2015 is still a long way away......What can we do?
I think you guys might be looking for the Daily Mail website
It's okay I know where that is.......By the way am I not allowed an opinion, or is it just what you believe goes? It's a free Country, or it was last time I looked.
You are indeed allowed an opinion... And I am allowed an opinion on your opinion.

*Long live democracy!
[quote][p][bold]Scorpio50[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PenPushingPauper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Scorpio50[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BornInBrighton1968[/bold] wrote: Now lets get rid of the incompetent, spiteful, ultra politically-correct Marxist Green council...[/p][/quote]I couldn't agree more! Lets vote this shower out but 2015 is still a long way away......What can we do?[/p][/quote]I think you guys might be looking for the Daily Mail website[/p][/quote]It's okay I know where that is.......By the way am I not allowed an opinion, or is it just what you believe goes? It's a free Country, or it was last time I looked.[/p][/quote]You are indeed allowed an opinion... And I am allowed an opinion on your opinion. *Long live democracy! PenPushingPauper

5:32pm Fri 21 Jun 13

Herbert Perkins says...

Metal dustbins in the 90s? No.
Metal dustbins in the 90s? No. Herbert Perkins

9:12pm Fri 21 Jun 13

Fairfax Aches says...

I noticed the bins around hove town hall have been cleaned up pretty quicksmart.
I noticed the bins around hove town hall have been cleaned up pretty quicksmart. Fairfax Aches

12:31am Sat 22 Jun 13

FatherTed11 says...

Clean up my rubbish you bunch of lazy money-grabbing scum bags!!
Clean up my rubbish you bunch of lazy money-grabbing scum bags!! FatherTed11

10:40am Sat 22 Jun 13

Omega Man says...

Omega Man wrote:
♫ ♫♫ ♪♫ ♪♫ ♫♫ ♫ ♫♫ ♪♫ ♪♫ ♫♫ Now here's a little story To tell it is a must About an unsung hero That moves away your dust Some people make a fortune Other's earn a mint My old man don't earn much In fact....he's flippin'.....skint Oh, my old man's a dustman He wears a dustman's hat He wears cor blimey trousers And he lives in a council flat He looks a proper narner In his great big hob nailed boots He's got such a job to pull em up That he calls them daisy roots Some folks give tips at Christmas And some of them forget So when he picks their bins up He spills some on the steps Now one old man got nasty And to the council wrote Next time my old man went 'round there He punched him up the throat Oh, my old man's a dustman He wears a dustman's hat He wears cor blimey trousers And he lives in a council flat I say, I say Duncan I 'er...I found a police dog in my dustbin (How do you know he's a police dog) He had a policeman with him Though my old man's a dustman He's got a heart of gold He got married recently Though he's 86 years old We said 'Ear! Hang on Dad you're getting past your prime' He said 'Well when you get to my age' 'It helps to pass the time' Oh, my old man's a dustman He wears a dustman's hat He wears cor blimey trousers And he lives in a council flat I say, I say, I say My dustbins full of lillies (Well throw 'em away then) I can't Lilly's wearing them Now one day while in a hurry He missed a lady's bin He hadn't gone but a few yards When she chased after him 'What game do you think you're playing' She cried right from the heart 'You've missed me...am I too late' 'No... jump up on the cart' Oh, my old man's a dustman He wears a dustman's hat He wears cor blimey trousers And he lives in a council flat I say, I say, I say (What you again) My dustbin's absolutely full with toadstools (How do you know it's full) 'Cos there's not much room inside He found a tiger's head one day Nailed to a piece of wood The tiger looked quite miserable But I suppose it should Just then from out a window A voice began to wail He said (Oi! Where's me tiger head) Four foot from it's tail Oh, my old man's a dustman He wears a dustman's hat He wears cor blimey trousers And he lives in a council flat Next time you see a dustman Looking all pale and sad Don't kick him in the dustbin It might be my old dad ♫ ♫♫ ♪♫ ♪♫ ♫♫ ♫ ♫♫ ♪♫ ♪♫ ♫♫ ♫ ♫♫ ♪♫ ♪♫ ♫♫
Omega Man wrote: ♫ ♫♫ ♪♫ ♪♫ ♫♫ ♫ ♫♫ ♪♫ ♪♫ ♫♫ Now here's a little story To tell it is a must About an unsung hero That moves away your dust Some people make a fortune Other's earn a mint My old man don't earn much In fact....he's flippin'.....skint Oh, my old man's a dustman He wears a dustman's hat He wears cor blimey trousers And he lives in a council flat He looks a proper narner In his great big hob nailed boots He's got such a job to pull em up That he calls them daisy roots Some folks give tips at Christmas And some of them forget So when he picks their bins up He spills some on the steps Now one old man got nasty And to the council wrote Next time my old man went 'round there He punched him up the throat Oh, my old man's a dustman He wears a dustman's hat He wears cor blimey trousers And he lives in a council flat I say, I say Duncan I 'er...I found a police dog in my dustbin (How do you know he's a police dog) He had a policeman with him Though my old man's a dustman He's got a heart of gold He got married recently Though he's 86 years old We said 'Ear! Hang on Dad you're getting past your prime' He said 'Well when you get to my age' 'It helps to pass the time' Oh, my old man's a dustman He wears a dustman's hat He wears cor blimey trousers And he lives in a council flat I say, I say, I say My dustbins full of lillies (Well throw 'em away then) I can't Lilly's wearing them Now one day while in a hurry He missed a lady's bin He hadn't gone but a few yards When she chased after him 'What game do you think you're playing' She cried right from the heart 'You've missed me...am I too late' 'No... jump up on the cart' Oh, my old man's a dustman He wears a dustman's hat He wears cor blimey trousers And he lives in a council flat I say, I say, I say (What you again) My dustbin's absolutely full with toadstools (How do you know it's full) 'Cos there's not much room inside He found a tiger's head one day Nailed to a piece of wood The tiger looked quite miserable But I suppose it should Just then from out a window A voice began to wail He said (Oi! Where's me tiger head) Four foot from it's tail Oh, my old man's a dustman He wears a dustman's hat He wears cor blimey trousers And he lives in a council flat Next time you see a dustman Looking all pale and sad Don't kick him in the dustbin It might be my old dad ♫ ♫♫ ♪♫ ♪♫ ♫♫ ♫ ♫♫ ♪♫ ♪♫ ♫♫ ♫ ♫♫ ♪♫ ♪♫ ♫♫ Omega Man

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