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Woodingdean being turned into unofficial 'park and ride' claim residents

The Argus: Woodingdean ward councillor Dee Simson Woodingdean ward councillor Dee Simson

After years of campaigning, Brighton and Hove has got a park and ride – only these ones are not sanctioned by anyone.

Residents in Woodingdean and Rottingdean have complained that dozens of people are leaving their cars in their streets for free before jumping on the bus to go to work or the shops.

Others ignore restrictions and use local car parks, taking up spaces outside shops and community facilities intended for the less mobile.

With the situation not getting any better, locals have questioned if there will ever be a way of sorting it out once and for all.

Woodingdean ward councillor Dee Simson said: “It has been going on for ages.

“The community centre car park and the car park further up Warren Road on the Downs are the ones which I get most complaints about.

“It means that people with mobility issues cannot get to the community centre.

“We have asked for signs to be installed warning that no one can park for more than four hours but they get ignored.

“I do not know what the solution is.

“Parking is hard enough to enforce in the city centre never mind in the suburbs.”

The Argus:

Rottingdean ward councillor Lynda Hyde said the same was happening in the streets near the A259 coast road in Rottingdean.

Coun Hyde blamed the high parking prices in the city centre which forced people to think of ways they could avoid the tariffs.

A council spokeswoman said: “There are signs in place reminding people that they cannot park for more than four hours.”

She added that not all the car parks in the area belonged to the local authority which meant it could not enforce the restrictions.

The idea of a formal park and ride has been discussed in the city for years.

However councillors agreed in January not to include the idea in the draft City Plan, which maps out development in the area for the next 20 years.

This still has to be signed off by a government inspector.

At the time, Ian Davey, the council’s transport spokesman, said: “Park and Ride is simply undeliverable.

“In times of austerity it's an expensive and inefficient use of public money particularly in an era of declining car use.”

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10:02am Tue 6 Aug 13

qm says...

Woddingdean?
Woddingdean? qm
  • Score: 0

10:08am Tue 6 Aug 13

tom servo says...

Where is Woddingdean?
Where is Woddingdean? tom servo
  • Score: 4

10:10am Tue 6 Aug 13

tom servo says...

Don't these "journalists" either get their work proof read or at least check it themselves?..... it's so amateur.
Don't these "journalists" either get their work proof read or at least check it themselves?..... it's so amateur. tom servo
  • Score: 3

10:26am Tue 6 Aug 13

spa301 says...

Pathetic journalism once again.
Pathetic journalism once again. spa301
  • Score: 2

10:32am Tue 6 Aug 13

Brian62 says...

Does Ian Davey actually understand transport in Brighton.
First he says that 20MPH zones are popular,now he think we live in an era of declining car use.
Does Ian Davey actually understand transport in Brighton. First he says that 20MPH zones are popular,now he think we live in an era of declining car use. Brian62
  • Score: 4

10:43am Tue 6 Aug 13

s_james says...

Brian62 wrote:
Does Ian Davey actually understand transport in Brighton.
First he says that 20MPH zones are popular,now he think we live in an era of declining car use.
We do: http://www.independe
nt.co.uk/life-style/
motoring/features/is
-this-the-end-of-the
-car-2286616.html

Presumably the cost of fuel has something to do with this
[quote][p][bold]Brian62[/bold] wrote: Does Ian Davey actually understand transport in Brighton. First he says that 20MPH zones are popular,now he think we live in an era of declining car use.[/p][/quote]We do: http://www.independe nt.co.uk/life-style/ motoring/features/is -this-the-end-of-the -car-2286616.html Presumably the cost of fuel has something to do with this s_james
  • Score: 0

10:43am Tue 6 Aug 13

Hoarder12345444 says...

A council spokeswoman said: “There are signs in place reminding people that they cannot park for more than four hours.”



Well you say that, but I suspect it can't be enforced. It's not a restricted area so I suspect you can park there all day.


What is it with nimby moaners today?
A council spokeswoman said: “There are signs in place reminding people that they cannot park for more than four hours.” Well you say that, but I suspect it can't be enforced. It's not a restricted area so I suspect you can park there all day. What is it with nimby moaners today? Hoarder12345444
  • Score: 2

10:46am Tue 6 Aug 13

Crystal Ball says...

Witness another example of BHCC's folly.
Witness another example of BHCC's folly. Crystal Ball
  • Score: 1

11:07am Tue 6 Aug 13

Brian62 says...

s_james wrote:
Brian62 wrote:
Does Ian Davey actually understand transport in Brighton.
First he says that 20MPH zones are popular,now he think we live in an era of declining car use.
We do: http://www.independe

nt.co.uk/life-style/

motoring/features/is

-this-the-end-of-the

-car-2286616.html

Presumably the cost of fuel has something to do with this
Just take a look in Brighton ..
Cars on increase not decrease.
If Council want less cars in Brighton then a Park and Ride is a must.
[quote][p][bold]s_james[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brian62[/bold] wrote: Does Ian Davey actually understand transport in Brighton. First he says that 20MPH zones are popular,now he think we live in an era of declining car use.[/p][/quote]We do: http://www.independe nt.co.uk/life-style/ motoring/features/is -this-the-end-of-the -car-2286616.html Presumably the cost of fuel has something to do with this[/p][/quote]Just take a look in Brighton .. Cars on increase not decrease. If Council want less cars in Brighton then a Park and Ride is a must. Brian62
  • Score: 2

11:09am Tue 6 Aug 13

Tim Ridgway says...

qm wrote:
Woddingdean?
Hi,

That was a typo by the person uploading the story. As you can see it has been quickly changed. Thanks for keeping us on our toes.

Tim
[quote][p][bold]qm[/bold] wrote: Woddingdean?[/p][/quote]Hi, That was a typo by the person uploading the story. As you can see it has been quickly changed. Thanks for keeping us on our toes. Tim Tim Ridgway
  • Score: 1

11:10am Tue 6 Aug 13

Tim Ridgway says...

tom servo wrote:
Don't these "journalists" either get their work proof read or at least check it themselves?..... it's so amateur.
Hi,

That was a typo in the headline by the person uploading the story. As you can see it has been quickly changed. Thanks for keeping us on our toes.

Tim
[quote][p][bold]tom servo[/bold] wrote: Don't these "journalists" either get their work proof read or at least check it themselves?..... it's so amateur.[/p][/quote]Hi, That was a typo in the headline by the person uploading the story. As you can see it has been quickly changed. Thanks for keeping us on our toes. Tim Tim Ridgway
  • Score: 3

11:26am Tue 6 Aug 13

Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit says...

Vindication of the council's anti-car policy - people are no longer driving into Brighton, they're taking the bus. There was just a TEENSY flaw in the logic which only Ian Davey would need me to spell out, the rest of you already grasped it.
Vindication of the council's anti-car policy - people are no longer driving into Brighton, they're taking the bus. There was just a TEENSY flaw in the logic which only Ian Davey would need me to spell out, the rest of you already grasped it. Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit
  • Score: 0

11:30am Tue 6 Aug 13

s_james says...

Brian62 wrote:
s_james wrote:
Brian62 wrote:
Does Ian Davey actually understand transport in Brighton.
First he says that 20MPH zones are popular,now he think we live in an era of declining car use.
We do: http://www.independe


nt.co.uk/life-style/


motoring/features/is


-this-the-end-of-the


-car-2286616.html

Presumably the cost of fuel has something to do with this
Just take a look in Brighton ..
Cars on increase not decrease.
If Council want less cars in Brighton then a Park and Ride is a must.
Wrong again http://www.brightonb
usiness.co.u/htm/ni2
0121212.218907.htm
[quote][p][bold]Brian62[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]s_james[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brian62[/bold] wrote: Does Ian Davey actually understand transport in Brighton. First he says that 20MPH zones are popular,now he think we live in an era of declining car use.[/p][/quote]We do: http://www.independe nt.co.uk/life-style/ motoring/features/is -this-the-end-of-the -car-2286616.html Presumably the cost of fuel has something to do with this[/p][/quote]Just take a look in Brighton .. Cars on increase not decrease. If Council want less cars in Brighton then a Park and Ride is a must.[/p][/quote]Wrong again http://www.brightonb usiness.co.u/htm/ni2 0121212.218907.htm s_james
  • Score: 0

12:04pm Tue 6 Aug 13

sad-old-git says...

s_james wrote:
Brian62 wrote:
s_james wrote:
Brian62 wrote:
Does Ian Davey actually understand transport in Brighton.
First he says that 20MPH zones are popular,now he think we live in an era of declining car use.
We do: http://www.independe



nt.co.uk/life-style/



motoring/features/is



-this-the-end-of-the



-car-2286616.html

Presumably the cost of fuel has something to do with this
Just take a look in Brighton ..
Cars on increase not decrease.
If Council want less cars in Brighton then a Park and Ride is a must.
Wrong again http://www.brightonb

usiness.co.u/htm/ni2

0121212.218907.htm
Sorry s_james you may on first look at the article appear correct. However my maths would suggest otherwise. We have a 5% decrease in cars owned by individuals balanced against a 6% increase in the number of drivers. You work out the rest.
[quote][p][bold]s_james[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brian62[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]s_james[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brian62[/bold] wrote: Does Ian Davey actually understand transport in Brighton. First he says that 20MPH zones are popular,now he think we live in an era of declining car use.[/p][/quote]We do: http://www.independe nt.co.uk/life-style/ motoring/features/is -this-the-end-of-the -car-2286616.html Presumably the cost of fuel has something to do with this[/p][/quote]Just take a look in Brighton .. Cars on increase not decrease. If Council want less cars in Brighton then a Park and Ride is a must.[/p][/quote]Wrong again http://www.brightonb usiness.co.u/htm/ni2 0121212.218907.htm[/p][/quote]Sorry s_james you may on first look at the article appear correct. However my maths would suggest otherwise. We have a 5% decrease in cars owned by individuals balanced against a 6% increase in the number of drivers. You work out the rest. sad-old-git
  • Score: 2

12:09pm Tue 6 Aug 13

Take it Personally says...

At the time, Ian Davey, the council’s transport spokesman, said: “Park and Ride is simply undeliverable. “In times of austerity it's an expensive and inefficient use of public money particularly in an era of declining car use.

-what planet is this **** on???
At the time, Ian Davey, the council’s transport spokesman, said: “Park and Ride is simply undeliverable. “In times of austerity it's an expensive and inefficient use of public money particularly in an era of declining car use. -what planet is this **** on??? Take it Personally
  • Score: 2

12:15pm Tue 6 Aug 13

Rollin Hand says...

Tim Ridgway wrote:
tom servo wrote:
Don't these "journalists" either get their work proof read or at least check it themselves?..... it's so amateur.
Hi,

That was a typo in the headline by the person uploading the story. As you can see it has been quickly changed. Thanks for keeping us on our toes.

Tim
Sis you have to post that TWICE Timbo?
[quote][p][bold]Tim Ridgway[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tom servo[/bold] wrote: Don't these "journalists" either get their work proof read or at least check it themselves?..... it's so amateur.[/p][/quote]Hi, That was a typo in the headline by the person uploading the story. As you can see it has been quickly changed. Thanks for keeping us on our toes. Tim[/p][/quote]Sis you have to post that TWICE Timbo? Rollin Hand
  • Score: 1

12:19pm Tue 6 Aug 13

Rollin Hand says...

sad-old-git wrote:
s_james wrote:
Brian62 wrote:
s_james wrote:
Brian62 wrote:
Does Ian Davey actually understand transport in Brighton.
First he says that 20MPH zones are popular,now he think we live in an era of declining car use.
We do: http://www.independe




nt.co.uk/life-style/




motoring/features/is




-this-the-end-of-the




-car-2286616.html

Presumably the cost of fuel has something to do with this
Just take a look in Brighton ..
Cars on increase not decrease.
If Council want less cars in Brighton then a Park and Ride is a must.
Wrong again http://www.brightonb


usiness.co.u/htm/ni2


0121212.218907.htm
Sorry s_james you may on first look at the article appear correct. However my maths would suggest otherwise. We have a 5% decrease in cars owned by individuals balanced against a 6% increase in the number of drivers. You work out the rest.
According to the latest census figures, over a third of households in Brighton & Hove do not own a car.

Car ownership is the lowest (per household) in the South East and the seventh lowest in England and Wales. Fewer than 20% of households now own more than one car, compared to 40% in the South East and 32% in England and Wales.

The figures for the 2011 census also reveal the city’s residents, employers and employees are embracing sustainable modes of transport.

Brighton and Hove has the highest proportion of people walking to work in the South East, the second-highest for the percentage of people travelling to work by bus, minibus or coach; and the highest growth rate in cycling to work outside of London.


Cllr Ian Davey
Councillor Ian Davey, chair of the city’s transport committee, said:

“These figures show that in Brighton and Hove people are choosing to travel by bus, bike or on foot and the council has an important part to play in supporting those making sustainable travel choices by providing improved facilities.

“Better pedestrian and cycling networks, for example, makes it more attractive to walk or bike to work. Leaving the car at home also saves money, helps keep you fit and reduces carbon emissions.

“We are committed to investing in improving walking and cycling routes, and working with public transport operators to make it easier and even more attractive to travel sustainably for business, pleasure, education and to essential services such as hospitals.”

Twice as many people travel to work by bus in Brighton and Hove than in England and Wales as a whole. The percentage of people travelling to work by bus (14%) is the second-highest in the South East, just behind Oxford (16%).


Cllr Gill Mitchell
Cllr Gill Mitchell, leader of Labour and Co-operative, said: “It’s good to see people becoming steadily less reliant on the car and this is largely down to the city’s fantastic bus service and the council’s foresight years ago to put in the main bus-lane network, utilising road space freed up when the by-pass was opened. Looking forward, it will be essential to continue to support the city’s economy by enabling the growing numbers of visitors and workers from outside the city to travel here on more efficient public transport. This is one of the reasons why Labour is fully supporting the campaign for a second Brighton main rail line.”

For more information about BML2, click here:

The percentage of people walking to work has risen from 17% in 2001 to 21% in 2011.

Cycling to work has shown a growth rate of 6.3% a year, and the percentage of people using this means has risen from 3% to 5%


Cllr Graham Cox
Cllr. Graham Cox, Conservative spokesperson for transport, said:

“Overall this news is welcome. Measures to reduce pollution and make the city centre in particular a more welcoming area for pedestrians seem to be bearing fruit. Most of us use all types of transport – car, bus, taxi, bike and foot – and seeking a sensible balance between them will always involve a degree of compromise.”

Brighton & Hove bucks the national trend with decreasing car ownership levels compared to increases in the South East and for England and Wales as a whole. The average number of cars or vans per household reduced from 0.87 (2001) to 0.86 (2011) in the city, whilst that average increased from 1.30 to 1.35 in the South East and 1.11 to 1.17 in England and Wales.

The proportion of workers using a car to travel to work (whether as a driver or passenger) fell from 56% to 41% between 2001 and 2011.

You make yourself look imbecilic God Bless
Google +1
[quote][p][bold]sad-old-git[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]s_james[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brian62[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]s_james[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brian62[/bold] wrote: Does Ian Davey actually understand transport in Brighton. First he says that 20MPH zones are popular,now he think we live in an era of declining car use.[/p][/quote]We do: http://www.independe nt.co.uk/life-style/ motoring/features/is -this-the-end-of-the -car-2286616.html Presumably the cost of fuel has something to do with this[/p][/quote]Just take a look in Brighton .. Cars on increase not decrease. If Council want less cars in Brighton then a Park and Ride is a must.[/p][/quote]Wrong again http://www.brightonb usiness.co.u/htm/ni2 0121212.218907.htm[/p][/quote]Sorry s_james you may on first look at the article appear correct. However my maths would suggest otherwise. We have a 5% decrease in cars owned by individuals balanced against a 6% increase in the number of drivers. You work out the rest.[/p][/quote]According to the latest census figures, over a third of households in Brighton & Hove do not own a car. Car ownership is the lowest (per household) in the South East and the seventh lowest in England and Wales. Fewer than 20% of households now own more than one car, compared to 40% in the South East and 32% in England and Wales. The figures for the 2011 census also reveal the city’s residents, employers and employees are embracing sustainable modes of transport. Brighton and Hove has the highest proportion of people walking to work in the South East, the second-highest for the percentage of people travelling to work by bus, minibus or coach; and the highest growth rate in cycling to work outside of London. Cllr Ian Davey Councillor Ian Davey, chair of the city’s transport committee, said: “These figures show that in Brighton and Hove people are choosing to travel by bus, bike or on foot and the council has an important part to play in supporting those making sustainable travel choices by providing improved facilities. “Better pedestrian and cycling networks, for example, makes it more attractive to walk or bike to work. Leaving the car at home also saves money, helps keep you fit and reduces carbon emissions. “We are committed to investing in improving walking and cycling routes, and working with public transport operators to make it easier and even more attractive to travel sustainably for business, pleasure, education and to essential services such as hospitals.” Twice as many people travel to work by bus in Brighton and Hove than in England and Wales as a whole. The percentage of people travelling to work by bus (14%) is the second-highest in the South East, just behind Oxford (16%). Cllr Gill Mitchell Cllr Gill Mitchell, leader of Labour and Co-operative, said: “It’s good to see people becoming steadily less reliant on the car and this is largely down to the city’s fantastic bus service and the council’s foresight years ago to put in the main bus-lane network, utilising road space freed up when the by-pass was opened. Looking forward, it will be essential to continue to support the city’s economy by enabling the growing numbers of visitors and workers from outside the city to travel here on more efficient public transport. This is one of the reasons why Labour is fully supporting the campaign for a second Brighton main rail line.” For more information about BML2, click here: The percentage of people walking to work has risen from 17% in 2001 to 21% in 2011. Cycling to work has shown a growth rate of 6.3% a year, and the percentage of people using this means has risen from 3% to 5% Cllr Graham Cox Cllr. Graham Cox, Conservative spokesperson for transport, said: “Overall this news is welcome. Measures to reduce pollution and make the city centre in particular a more welcoming area for pedestrians seem to be bearing fruit. Most of us use all types of transport – car, bus, taxi, bike and foot – and seeking a sensible balance between them will always involve a degree of compromise.” Brighton & Hove bucks the national trend with decreasing car ownership levels compared to increases in the South East and for England and Wales as a whole. The average number of cars or vans per household reduced from 0.87 (2001) to 0.86 (2011) in the city, whilst that average increased from 1.30 to 1.35 in the South East and 1.11 to 1.17 in England and Wales. The proportion of workers using a car to travel to work (whether as a driver or passenger) fell from 56% to 41% between 2001 and 2011. You make yourself look imbecilic God Bless Google +1 Rollin Hand
  • Score: 2

12:22pm Tue 6 Aug 13

s_james says...

sad-old-git wrote:
s_james wrote:
Brian62 wrote:
s_james wrote:
Brian62 wrote:
Does Ian Davey actually understand transport in Brighton.
First he says that 20MPH zones are popular,now he think we live in an era of declining car use.
We do: http://www.independe




nt.co.uk/life-style/




motoring/features/is




-this-the-end-of-the




-car-2286616.html

Presumably the cost of fuel has something to do with this
Just take a look in Brighton ..
Cars on increase not decrease.
If Council want less cars in Brighton then a Park and Ride is a must.
Wrong again http://www.brightonb


usiness.co.u/htm/ni2


0121212.218907.htm
Sorry s_james you may on first look at the article appear correct. However my maths would suggest otherwise. We have a 5% decrease in cars owned by individuals balanced against a 6% increase in the number of drivers. You work out the rest.
It says 6% increase in POTENTIAL drivers.

"In 2001 the city’s residents had 0.87 cars for every person eligible to drive but this declined over the decade to 0.82 cars/person in 2011. In real terms this means a reduction of 4,248 vehicles despite the number of potential drivers increasing by 6% over the same period. "
[quote][p][bold]sad-old-git[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]s_james[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brian62[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]s_james[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brian62[/bold] wrote: Does Ian Davey actually understand transport in Brighton. First he says that 20MPH zones are popular,now he think we live in an era of declining car use.[/p][/quote]We do: http://www.independe nt.co.uk/life-style/ motoring/features/is -this-the-end-of-the -car-2286616.html Presumably the cost of fuel has something to do with this[/p][/quote]Just take a look in Brighton .. Cars on increase not decrease. If Council want less cars in Brighton then a Park and Ride is a must.[/p][/quote]Wrong again http://www.brightonb usiness.co.u/htm/ni2 0121212.218907.htm[/p][/quote]Sorry s_james you may on first look at the article appear correct. However my maths would suggest otherwise. We have a 5% decrease in cars owned by individuals balanced against a 6% increase in the number of drivers. You work out the rest.[/p][/quote]It says 6% increase in POTENTIAL drivers. "In 2001 the city’s residents had 0.87 cars for every person eligible to drive but this declined over the decade to 0.82 cars/person in 2011. In real terms this means a reduction of 4,248 vehicles despite the number of potential drivers increasing by 6% over the same period. " s_james
  • Score: 0

12:27pm Tue 6 Aug 13

Voice of Wisdom says...

Is this real reason Brighton and Hove Albion have withdrawn the football special bus service serving Rottingdean and Woodingdean on match days? It seems a few people abusing this sevice have affected the majority who used the service without creating any problems. There are numerous season ticket holders who live in Woodingdean who are now faced with getting a Brighton & Hove bus into the city centre and then get another bus to the stadium via the Lewes Rd or drive to the Racehill park and ride to get a bus back into Woodingdean which goes down the Falmer Road to the ground (where does that fit in with the council's environmental policy?). These councillors seemed to have caused another problem in their complaining, perhaps they could channel their energies in getting our match day bus service back.
Is this real reason Brighton and Hove Albion have withdrawn the football special bus service serving Rottingdean and Woodingdean on match days? It seems a few people abusing this sevice have affected the majority who used the service without creating any problems. There are numerous season ticket holders who live in Woodingdean who are now faced with getting a Brighton & Hove bus into the city centre and then get another bus to the stadium via the Lewes Rd or drive to the Racehill park and ride to get a bus back into Woodingdean which goes down the Falmer Road to the ground (where does that fit in with the council's environmental policy?). These councillors seemed to have caused another problem in their complaining, perhaps they could channel their energies in getting our match day bus service back. Voice of Wisdom
  • Score: 1

1:30pm Tue 6 Aug 13

Bob_The_Ferret says...

I sure Davey and his cronies already have plans for a controlled parking zone for Woodingdean up their sleeves. It's only a matter of whether they can wheel it out before being consigned to the dustbins of political history.
I sure Davey and his cronies already have plans for a controlled parking zone for Woodingdean up their sleeves. It's only a matter of whether they can wheel it out before being consigned to the dustbins of political history. Bob_The_Ferret
  • Score: 0

3:09pm Tue 6 Aug 13

martyt says...

Voice of Wisdom wrote:
Is this real reason Brighton and Hove Albion have withdrawn the football special bus service serving Rottingdean and Woodingdean on match days? It seems a few people abusing this sevice have affected the majority who used the service without creating any problems. There are numerous season ticket holders who live in Woodingdean who are now faced with getting a Brighton & Hove bus into the city centre and then get another bus to the stadium via the Lewes Rd or drive to the Racehill park and ride to get a bus back into Woodingdean which goes down the Falmer Road to the ground (where does that fit in with the council's environmental policy?). These councillors seemed to have caused another problem in their complaining, perhaps they could channel their energies in getting our match day bus service back.
or you could just walk down to the downs hotel and get there park and ride bus
[quote][p][bold]Voice of Wisdom[/bold] wrote: Is this real reason Brighton and Hove Albion have withdrawn the football special bus service serving Rottingdean and Woodingdean on match days? It seems a few people abusing this sevice have affected the majority who used the service without creating any problems. There are numerous season ticket holders who live in Woodingdean who are now faced with getting a Brighton & Hove bus into the city centre and then get another bus to the stadium via the Lewes Rd or drive to the Racehill park and ride to get a bus back into Woodingdean which goes down the Falmer Road to the ground (where does that fit in with the council's environmental policy?). These councillors seemed to have caused another problem in their complaining, perhaps they could channel their energies in getting our match day bus service back.[/p][/quote]or you could just walk down to the downs hotel and get there park and ride bus martyt
  • Score: 0

4:05pm Tue 6 Aug 13

Hoarder12345444 says...

Take it Personally wrote:
At the time, Ian Davey, the council’s transport spokesman, said: “Park and Ride is simply undeliverable. “In times of austerity it's an expensive and inefficient use of public money particularly in an era of declining car use.

-what planet is this **** on???
The guy is completely nuts.


How on earth does this have any substance, particularly when car sales are very high at the moment???
[quote][p][bold]Take it Personally[/bold] wrote: At the time, Ian Davey, the council’s transport spokesman, said: “Park and Ride is simply undeliverable. “In times of austerity it's an expensive and inefficient use of public money particularly in an era of declining car use. -what planet is this **** on???[/p][/quote]The guy is completely nuts. How on earth does this have any substance, particularly when car sales are very high at the moment??? Hoarder12345444
  • Score: -1

4:21pm Tue 6 Aug 13

Caroline B says...

Sadly it is not only Woodingdean & Rottingdean that are suffering from commuters it now effects all the outlaying suburbs that have a frequent bus service into the City. These commuters appear to have no knowledge of parking regulations, or just don't care about blocking peoples driveways etc.
What is needed is a zero tolerance of those who break the law, whether it is overstaying their time in a bay, parking on yellow lines, road junctions & in the case of West Way, Hove wholly on the pavement. The bottom line is that this Council's parking team rarely visit the suburbs and the motorist knows it.
Sadly it is not only Woodingdean & Rottingdean that are suffering from commuters it now effects all the outlaying suburbs that have a frequent bus service into the City. These commuters appear to have no knowledge of parking regulations, or just don't care about blocking peoples driveways etc. What is needed is a zero tolerance of those who break the law, whether it is overstaying their time in a bay, parking on yellow lines, road junctions & in the case of West Way, Hove wholly on the pavement. The bottom line is that this Council's parking team rarely visit the suburbs and the motorist knows it. Caroline B
  • Score: 0

5:07pm Tue 6 Aug 13

Morpheus says...

What is the point of Councillor Simson? She is elected to represent us; when we complain she effectively does nothing because she is ignored. Who runs Brighton? Certainly not the people we elect to represent us!
What is the point of Councillor Simson? She is elected to represent us; when we complain she effectively does nothing because she is ignored. Who runs Brighton? Certainly not the people we elect to represent us! Morpheus
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6:30pm Tue 6 Aug 13

Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit says...

Rollin Hand wrote:
sad-old-git wrote:
s_james wrote:
Brian62 wrote:
s_james wrote:
Brian62 wrote:
Does Ian Davey actually understand transport in Brighton.
First he says that 20MPH zones are popular,now he think we live in an era of declining car use.
We do: http://www.independe





nt.co.uk/life-style/





motoring/features/is





-this-the-end-of-the





-car-2286616.html

Presumably the cost of fuel has something to do with this
Just take a look in Brighton ..
Cars on increase not decrease.
If Council want less cars in Brighton then a Park and Ride is a must.
Wrong again http://www.brightonb



usiness.co.u/htm/ni2



0121212.218907.htm
Sorry s_james you may on first look at the article appear correct. However my maths would suggest otherwise. We have a 5% decrease in cars owned by individuals balanced against a 6% increase in the number of drivers. You work out the rest.
According to the latest census figures, over a third of households in Brighton & Hove do not own a car.

Car ownership is the lowest (per household) in the South East and the seventh lowest in England and Wales. Fewer than 20% of households now own more than one car, compared to 40% in the South East and 32% in England and Wales.

The figures for the 2011 census also reveal the city’s residents, employers and employees are embracing sustainable modes of transport.

Brighton and Hove has the highest proportion of people walking to work in the South East, the second-highest for the percentage of people travelling to work by bus, minibus or coach; and the highest growth rate in cycling to work outside of London.


Cllr Ian Davey
Councillor Ian Davey, chair of the city’s transport committee, said:

“These figures show that in Brighton and Hove people are choosing to travel by bus, bike or on foot and the council has an important part to play in supporting those making sustainable travel choices by providing improved facilities.

“Better pedestrian and cycling networks, for example, makes it more attractive to walk or bike to work. Leaving the car at home also saves money, helps keep you fit and reduces carbon emissions.

“We are committed to investing in improving walking and cycling routes, and working with public transport operators to make it easier and even more attractive to travel sustainably for business, pleasure, education and to essential services such as hospitals.”

Twice as many people travel to work by bus in Brighton and Hove than in England and Wales as a whole. The percentage of people travelling to work by bus (14%) is the second-highest in the South East, just behind Oxford (16%).


Cllr Gill Mitchell
Cllr Gill Mitchell, leader of Labour and Co-operative, said: “It’s good to see people becoming steadily less reliant on the car and this is largely down to the city’s fantastic bus service and the council’s foresight years ago to put in the main bus-lane network, utilising road space freed up when the by-pass was opened. Looking forward, it will be essential to continue to support the city’s economy by enabling the growing numbers of visitors and workers from outside the city to travel here on more efficient public transport. This is one of the reasons why Labour is fully supporting the campaign for a second Brighton main rail line.”

For more information about BML2, click here:

The percentage of people walking to work has risen from 17% in 2001 to 21% in 2011.

Cycling to work has shown a growth rate of 6.3% a year, and the percentage of people using this means has risen from 3% to 5%


Cllr Graham Cox
Cllr. Graham Cox, Conservative spokesperson for transport, said:

“Overall this news is welcome. Measures to reduce pollution and make the city centre in particular a more welcoming area for pedestrians seem to be bearing fruit. Most of us use all types of transport – car, bus, taxi, bike and foot – and seeking a sensible balance between them will always involve a degree of compromise.”

Brighton & Hove bucks the national trend with decreasing car ownership levels compared to increases in the South East and for England and Wales as a whole. The average number of cars or vans per household reduced from 0.87 (2001) to 0.86 (2011) in the city, whilst that average increased from 1.30 to 1.35 in the South East and 1.11 to 1.17 in England and Wales.

The proportion of workers using a car to travel to work (whether as a driver or passenger) fell from 56% to 41% between 2001 and 2011.

You make yourself look imbecilic God Bless
Google +1
I'm afraid you've rather missed the point. This is nothing to do with car ownership in Brighton, this is to do with visitors parking on the outskirts. No one who lives IN Brighton is going to drive out to Woodingdean just to get the bus back in again are they?

And as for car ownership itself new car registrations for 2013 will be about 9% higher than 2012 - so the private car isn't going to go away any time soon and will continue to be used by the city's visitors. What are you going to do about it?
[quote][p][bold]Rollin Hand[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sad-old-git[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]s_james[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brian62[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]s_james[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brian62[/bold] wrote: Does Ian Davey actually understand transport in Brighton. First he says that 20MPH zones are popular,now he think we live in an era of declining car use.[/p][/quote]We do: http://www.independe nt.co.uk/life-style/ motoring/features/is -this-the-end-of-the -car-2286616.html Presumably the cost of fuel has something to do with this[/p][/quote]Just take a look in Brighton .. Cars on increase not decrease. If Council want less cars in Brighton then a Park and Ride is a must.[/p][/quote]Wrong again http://www.brightonb usiness.co.u/htm/ni2 0121212.218907.htm[/p][/quote]Sorry s_james you may on first look at the article appear correct. However my maths would suggest otherwise. We have a 5% decrease in cars owned by individuals balanced against a 6% increase in the number of drivers. You work out the rest.[/p][/quote]According to the latest census figures, over a third of households in Brighton & Hove do not own a car. Car ownership is the lowest (per household) in the South East and the seventh lowest in England and Wales. Fewer than 20% of households now own more than one car, compared to 40% in the South East and 32% in England and Wales. The figures for the 2011 census also reveal the city’s residents, employers and employees are embracing sustainable modes of transport. Brighton and Hove has the highest proportion of people walking to work in the South East, the second-highest for the percentage of people travelling to work by bus, minibus or coach; and the highest growth rate in cycling to work outside of London. Cllr Ian Davey Councillor Ian Davey, chair of the city’s transport committee, said: “These figures show that in Brighton and Hove people are choosing to travel by bus, bike or on foot and the council has an important part to play in supporting those making sustainable travel choices by providing improved facilities. “Better pedestrian and cycling networks, for example, makes it more attractive to walk or bike to work. Leaving the car at home also saves money, helps keep you fit and reduces carbon emissions. “We are committed to investing in improving walking and cycling routes, and working with public transport operators to make it easier and even more attractive to travel sustainably for business, pleasure, education and to essential services such as hospitals.” Twice as many people travel to work by bus in Brighton and Hove than in England and Wales as a whole. The percentage of people travelling to work by bus (14%) is the second-highest in the South East, just behind Oxford (16%). Cllr Gill Mitchell Cllr Gill Mitchell, leader of Labour and Co-operative, said: “It’s good to see people becoming steadily less reliant on the car and this is largely down to the city’s fantastic bus service and the council’s foresight years ago to put in the main bus-lane network, utilising road space freed up when the by-pass was opened. Looking forward, it will be essential to continue to support the city’s economy by enabling the growing numbers of visitors and workers from outside the city to travel here on more efficient public transport. This is one of the reasons why Labour is fully supporting the campaign for a second Brighton main rail line.” For more information about BML2, click here: The percentage of people walking to work has risen from 17% in 2001 to 21% in 2011. Cycling to work has shown a growth rate of 6.3% a year, and the percentage of people using this means has risen from 3% to 5% Cllr Graham Cox Cllr. Graham Cox, Conservative spokesperson for transport, said: “Overall this news is welcome. Measures to reduce pollution and make the city centre in particular a more welcoming area for pedestrians seem to be bearing fruit. Most of us use all types of transport – car, bus, taxi, bike and foot – and seeking a sensible balance between them will always involve a degree of compromise.” Brighton & Hove bucks the national trend with decreasing car ownership levels compared to increases in the South East and for England and Wales as a whole. The average number of cars or vans per household reduced from 0.87 (2001) to 0.86 (2011) in the city, whilst that average increased from 1.30 to 1.35 in the South East and 1.11 to 1.17 in England and Wales. The proportion of workers using a car to travel to work (whether as a driver or passenger) fell from 56% to 41% between 2001 and 2011. You make yourself look imbecilic God Bless Google +1[/p][/quote]I'm afraid you've rather missed the point. This is nothing to do with car ownership in Brighton, this is to do with visitors parking on the outskirts. No one who lives IN Brighton is going to drive out to Woodingdean just to get the bus back in again are they? And as for car ownership itself new car registrations for 2013 will be about 9% higher than 2012 - so the private car isn't going to go away any time soon and will continue to be used by the city's visitors. What are you going to do about it? Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit
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6:47pm Tue 6 Aug 13

Maxwell's Ghost says...

I don't know why people don't just park up on Wild Park and then get a bus into town.
The travellers have arrived again in the park and they get to stay for days.
I really can't imagine that if car drivers did the same they would be moved on.
Try it.
I live in the Coombe Road area and we have been used as a park and ride and a parking site for trade vehicles since the city centre charging was increased earlier in the year.
Come Friday night, cars park up with visitors and cabs come and take the people into town with their suitcases (I assume to hotels) and they return on the Sunday to collect their vehicles.
You can't blame people when many hotels don't have parking and it's £25 a day. A taxi between four is only £14 return while the bus would cost £20 and you have to walk up the hill with your case.
I don't know why people don't just park up on Wild Park and then get a bus into town. The travellers have arrived again in the park and they get to stay for days. I really can't imagine that if car drivers did the same they would be moved on. Try it. I live in the Coombe Road area and we have been used as a park and ride and a parking site for trade vehicles since the city centre charging was increased earlier in the year. Come Friday night, cars park up with visitors and cabs come and take the people into town with their suitcases (I assume to hotels) and they return on the Sunday to collect their vehicles. You can't blame people when many hotels don't have parking and it's £25 a day. A taxi between four is only £14 return while the bus would cost £20 and you have to walk up the hill with your case. Maxwell's Ghost
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8:43pm Tue 6 Aug 13

Voice of Wisdom says...

Morpheus wrote:
What is the point of Councillor Simson? She is elected to represent us; when we complain she effectively does nothing because she is ignored. Who runs Brighton? Certainly not the people we elect to represent us!
I think I know the answer to this, to ensure she appears in every photo opportunity in Woodingdean. Is it me but has anyone else noticed that Councillor Simson appears in every article regarding Woodingdean!! If she does not cut the mustard then people could always vote for another candidate at the next local election - food for thought.
[quote][p][bold]Morpheus[/bold] wrote: What is the point of Councillor Simson? She is elected to represent us; when we complain she effectively does nothing because she is ignored. Who runs Brighton? Certainly not the people we elect to represent us![/p][/quote]I think I know the answer to this, to ensure she appears in every photo opportunity in Woodingdean. Is it me but has anyone else noticed that Councillor Simson appears in every article regarding Woodingdean!! If she does not cut the mustard then people could always vote for another candidate at the next local election - food for thought. Voice of Wisdom
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1:07am Wed 7 Aug 13

Hoarder12345444 says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
I don't know why people don't just park up on Wild Park and then get a bus into town.
The travellers have arrived again in the park and they get to stay for days.
I really can't imagine that if car drivers did the same they would be moved on.
Try it.
I live in the Coombe Road area and we have been used as a park and ride and a parking site for trade vehicles since the city centre charging was increased earlier in the year.
Come Friday night, cars park up with visitors and cabs come and take the people into town with their suitcases (I assume to hotels) and they return on the Sunday to collect their vehicles.
You can't blame people when many hotels don't have parking and it's £25 a day. A taxi between four is only £14 return while the bus would cost £20 and you have to walk up the hill with your case.
Again a most refreshing post from you sir
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: I don't know why people don't just park up on Wild Park and then get a bus into town. The travellers have arrived again in the park and they get to stay for days. I really can't imagine that if car drivers did the same they would be moved on. Try it. I live in the Coombe Road area and we have been used as a park and ride and a parking site for trade vehicles since the city centre charging was increased earlier in the year. Come Friday night, cars park up with visitors and cabs come and take the people into town with their suitcases (I assume to hotels) and they return on the Sunday to collect their vehicles. You can't blame people when many hotels don't have parking and it's £25 a day. A taxi between four is only £14 return while the bus would cost £20 and you have to walk up the hill with your case.[/p][/quote]Again a most refreshing post from you sir Hoarder12345444
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8:25am Wed 7 Aug 13

Jules D. says...

Rollin Hand wrote:
sad-old-git wrote:
s_james wrote:
Brian62 wrote:
s_james wrote:
Brian62 wrote: Does Ian Davey actually understand transport in Brighton. First he says that 20MPH zones are popular,now he think we live in an era of declining car use.
We do: http://www.independe nt.co.uk/life-style/ motoring/features/is -this-the-end-of-the -car-2286616.html Presumably the cost of fuel has something to do with this
Just take a look in Brighton .. Cars on increase not decrease. If Council want less cars in Brighton then a Park and Ride is a must.
Wrong again http://www.brightonb usiness.co.u/htm/ni2 0121212.218907.htm
Sorry s_james you may on first look at the article appear correct. However my maths would suggest otherwise. We have a 5% decrease in cars owned by individuals balanced against a 6% increase in the number of drivers. You work out the rest.
According to the latest census figures, over a third of households in Brighton & Hove do not own a car. Car ownership is the lowest (per household) in the South East and the seventh lowest in England and Wales. Fewer than 20% of households now own more than one car, compared to 40% in the South East and 32% in England and Wales. The figures for the 2011 census also reveal the city’s residents, employers and employees are embracing sustainable modes of transport. Brighton and Hove has the highest proportion of people walking to work in the South East, the second-highest for the percentage of people travelling to work by bus, minibus or coach; and the highest growth rate in cycling to work outside of London. Cllr Ian Davey Councillor Ian Davey, chair of the city’s transport committee, said: “These figures show that in Brighton and Hove people are choosing to travel by bus, bike or on foot and the council has an important part to play in supporting those making sustainable travel choices by providing improved facilities. “Better pedestrian and cycling networks, for example, makes it more attractive to walk or bike to work. Leaving the car at home also saves money, helps keep you fit and reduces carbon emissions. “We are committed to investing in improving walking and cycling routes, and working with public transport operators to make it easier and even more attractive to travel sustainably for business, pleasure, education and to essential services such as hospitals.” Twice as many people travel to work by bus in Brighton and Hove than in England and Wales as a whole. The percentage of people travelling to work by bus (14%) is the second-highest in the South East, just behind Oxford (16%). Cllr Gill Mitchell Cllr Gill Mitchell, leader of Labour and Co-operative, said: “It’s good to see people becoming steadily less reliant on the car and this is largely down to the city’s fantastic bus service and the council’s foresight years ago to put in the main bus-lane network, utilising road space freed up when the by-pass was opened. Looking forward, it will be essential to continue to support the city’s economy by enabling the growing numbers of visitors and workers from outside the city to travel here on more efficient public transport. This is one of the reasons why Labour is fully supporting the campaign for a second Brighton main rail line.” For more information about BML2, click here: The percentage of people walking to work has risen from 17% in 2001 to 21% in 2011. Cycling to work has shown a growth rate of 6.3% a year, and the percentage of people using this means has risen from 3% to 5% Cllr Graham Cox Cllr. Graham Cox, Conservative spokesperson for transport, said: “Overall this news is welcome. Measures to reduce pollution and make the city centre in particular a more welcoming area for pedestrians seem to be bearing fruit. Most of us use all types of transport – car, bus, taxi, bike and foot – and seeking a sensible balance between them will always involve a degree of compromise.” Brighton & Hove bucks the national trend with decreasing car ownership levels compared to increases in the South East and for England and Wales as a whole. The average number of cars or vans per household reduced from 0.87 (2001) to 0.86 (2011) in the city, whilst that average increased from 1.30 to 1.35 in the South East and 1.11 to 1.17 in England and Wales. The proportion of workers using a car to travel to work (whether as a driver or passenger) fell from 56% to 41% between 2001 and 2011. You make yourself look imbecilic God Bless Google +1
These statements are all very well...the reality is quite different! I live near the city centre close to the London road Ditchling road and lewes roads and these streets have now become mini highways for local and external traffic. This trend continues. And with bus fares so high there is little incentive for a family to take the bus...the taxi is cheaper! I try to walk into town and leave my car parked whilst others still continue to benefit from our local free park and ride. There must be a way of holding councillors to account. What do we need to do as residents..attend council meetings? I live in a Green ward and cannot rely on fair representation from our local Green councillors of which I D is one of them. I have 'seen too many controversial consultations with just over 50% majority being presented by this council as clear support for a project just so money can be spent and projects can be starred. Small majorities can be easily achieved if you capture and present consultations in the right way. Is there a legal way to stop all this money wasting by our council?
[quote][p][bold]Rollin Hand[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sad-old-git[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]s_james[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brian62[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]s_james[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brian62[/bold] wrote: Does Ian Davey actually understand transport in Brighton. First he says that 20MPH zones are popular,now he think we live in an era of declining car use.[/p][/quote]We do: http://www.independe nt.co.uk/life-style/ motoring/features/is -this-the-end-of-the -car-2286616.html Presumably the cost of fuel has something to do with this[/p][/quote]Just take a look in Brighton .. Cars on increase not decrease. If Council want less cars in Brighton then a Park and Ride is a must.[/p][/quote]Wrong again http://www.brightonb usiness.co.u/htm/ni2 0121212.218907.htm[/p][/quote]Sorry s_james you may on first look at the article appear correct. However my maths would suggest otherwise. We have a 5% decrease in cars owned by individuals balanced against a 6% increase in the number of drivers. You work out the rest.[/p][/quote]According to the latest census figures, over a third of households in Brighton & Hove do not own a car. Car ownership is the lowest (per household) in the South East and the seventh lowest in England and Wales. Fewer than 20% of households now own more than one car, compared to 40% in the South East and 32% in England and Wales. The figures for the 2011 census also reveal the city’s residents, employers and employees are embracing sustainable modes of transport. Brighton and Hove has the highest proportion of people walking to work in the South East, the second-highest for the percentage of people travelling to work by bus, minibus or coach; and the highest growth rate in cycling to work outside of London. Cllr Ian Davey Councillor Ian Davey, chair of the city’s transport committee, said: “These figures show that in Brighton and Hove people are choosing to travel by bus, bike or on foot and the council has an important part to play in supporting those making sustainable travel choices by providing improved facilities. “Better pedestrian and cycling networks, for example, makes it more attractive to walk or bike to work. Leaving the car at home also saves money, helps keep you fit and reduces carbon emissions. “We are committed to investing in improving walking and cycling routes, and working with public transport operators to make it easier and even more attractive to travel sustainably for business, pleasure, education and to essential services such as hospitals.” Twice as many people travel to work by bus in Brighton and Hove than in England and Wales as a whole. The percentage of people travelling to work by bus (14%) is the second-highest in the South East, just behind Oxford (16%). Cllr Gill Mitchell Cllr Gill Mitchell, leader of Labour and Co-operative, said: “It’s good to see people becoming steadily less reliant on the car and this is largely down to the city’s fantastic bus service and the council’s foresight years ago to put in the main bus-lane network, utilising road space freed up when the by-pass was opened. Looking forward, it will be essential to continue to support the city’s economy by enabling the growing numbers of visitors and workers from outside the city to travel here on more efficient public transport. This is one of the reasons why Labour is fully supporting the campaign for a second Brighton main rail line.” For more information about BML2, click here: The percentage of people walking to work has risen from 17% in 2001 to 21% in 2011. Cycling to work has shown a growth rate of 6.3% a year, and the percentage of people using this means has risen from 3% to 5% Cllr Graham Cox Cllr. Graham Cox, Conservative spokesperson for transport, said: “Overall this news is welcome. Measures to reduce pollution and make the city centre in particular a more welcoming area for pedestrians seem to be bearing fruit. Most of us use all types of transport – car, bus, taxi, bike and foot – and seeking a sensible balance between them will always involve a degree of compromise.” Brighton & Hove bucks the national trend with decreasing car ownership levels compared to increases in the South East and for England and Wales as a whole. The average number of cars or vans per household reduced from 0.87 (2001) to 0.86 (2011) in the city, whilst that average increased from 1.30 to 1.35 in the South East and 1.11 to 1.17 in England and Wales. The proportion of workers using a car to travel to work (whether as a driver or passenger) fell from 56% to 41% between 2001 and 2011. You make yourself look imbecilic God Bless Google +1[/p][/quote]These statements are all very well...the reality is quite different! I live near the city centre close to the London road Ditchling road and lewes roads and these streets have now become mini highways for local and external traffic. This trend continues. And with bus fares so high there is little incentive for a family to take the bus...the taxi is cheaper! I try to walk into town and leave my car parked whilst others still continue to benefit from our local free park and ride. There must be a way of holding councillors to account. What do we need to do as residents..attend council meetings? I live in a Green ward and cannot rely on fair representation from our local Green councillors of which I D is one of them. I have 'seen too many controversial consultations with just over 50% majority being presented by this council as clear support for a project just so money can be spent and projects can be starred. Small majorities can be easily achieved if you capture and present consultations in the right way. Is there a legal way to stop all this money wasting by our council? Jules D.
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