'Lying and messy' poor sent by God to test us, says Brighton priest

Poor are irritating, says Brighton priest in blog

Poor are irritating, says Brighton priest in blog

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A complaining priest claims “lying” poor people have been sent by God to “test my holiness”.

Father Ray Blake condemned “messy” street drinkers, who enter his church to plead for money, branding one an “irritating little b*****d”.

But the controversial cleric admitted his “challenge” as a Catholic was to love all people, no matter how penniless or dirty.

In a lengthy blog post titled The Trouble With the Poor, Father Blake raged: “The trouble with the poor is that they are messy.

“There is a secluded area between the church and our hall, a passage. Often it smells of urine and there is often excrement there and sometimes a used needle or two.”

The priest went on to complain about a homeless man, who regularly attends Mass at his church, St Mary Magdalen’s on Upper North Street.

He said: “During the silence of the Canon the man will pray aloud: “Jesus, I want you to bless Father Ray and God, can you persuade the good people here to give to the poor – I am poor”.

“Unchecked he will take his cap off and have a collection. It makes a mess of our prayers – it stops some coming to Mass here.”

Later, Father Blake blasted homeless people who “ring the door bell at every hour of the day and night” and “tell lies”.

He wrote: “They tell you their gran is dying in Southampton and they need the train fare.

“You give it to them and if you don’t find them drunk in the street they are back the next day and the other Gran is dying in Hastings this time.”

Finally, the priest’s post ended with: “My big difficulty with confession at the moment is that I have grown complacent in my lifestyle – I don’t want it changed.

“The message of the Gospels seems to be to let the poor into it to mess it up a little.”

For years Father Blake washed the feet of the homeless in a traditional ceremony every Easter. But earlier this year he announced he was abandoning the idea, suggesting it was “seriously sinful”.

Speaking about his latest controversial blog post the priest admitted he often found poor people “quite a trial” to deal with.

He said: “We have a duty to care for the poor because it teaches us to be human. It leads us to a greater understanding.

"However, I sometimes think they are sent to test my holiness. The man who comes into my church and disturbs Mass, for instance, is an irritating little b*****d.

“You can con yourself that you love them, but they do sometimes create difficulties.”

Reverend Archie Coates, vicar of St Peter’s in Brighton, said homeless people were “always welcome” in his church.

He said: “Christians should love everyone unconditionally, including the street community of course. We have plenty of homeless people and we all love them being here.”

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12:02pm Thu 5 Sep 13

s&k says...

The milk of human kindness runneth dry.
The milk of human kindness runneth dry. s&k
  • Score: -16

12:17pm Thu 5 Sep 13

The Prophet of Doom says...

And religion is a mental illness.
And religion is a mental illness. The Prophet of Doom
  • Score: -45

12:23pm Thu 5 Sep 13

Justin says...

Religious bigots are much more irritating than the poor! Ironic that a priest condemns the poor when his church make so many people poorer by denying them birth control.
Religious bigots are much more irritating than the poor! Ironic that a priest condemns the poor when his church make so many people poorer by denying them birth control. Justin
  • Score: -36

12:28pm Thu 5 Sep 13

notaconspiracy says...

Was it Jesus who said 'we don't want any of those poor people in heaven, just wealthy folk'? No?
Was it Jesus who said 'we don't want any of those poor people in heaven, just wealthy folk'? No? notaconspiracy
  • Score: -30

12:35pm Thu 5 Sep 13

Take it Personally says...

What a charming "christian". He should be more worried about his fellow kiddy-fiddling priests. Isn't the catholic church supposed to be a bit more humble these days?
What a charming "christian". He should be more worried about his fellow kiddy-fiddling priests. Isn't the catholic church supposed to be a bit more humble these days? Take it Personally
  • Score: -39

12:41pm Thu 5 Sep 13

Therapist says...

Seems he's been plagued by requests for money because, once, misguidedly he gave it to them. Food, guidance and a friendly ear are the only thing that should be given - not cash for booze and drugs.
Seems he's been plagued by requests for money because, once, misguidedly he gave it to them. Food, guidance and a friendly ear are the only thing that should be given - not cash for booze and drugs. Therapist
  • Score: 16

1:07pm Thu 5 Sep 13

nuff said says...

The 'poor' aren't nearly as irritating as publicity-seeking fatuous priests who would be better off putting their own house of sexual predators in order before slagging off those worse off than themselves.
The 'poor' aren't nearly as irritating as publicity-seeking fatuous priests who would be better off putting their own house of sexual predators in order before slagging off those worse off than themselves. nuff said
  • Score: -48

1:07pm Thu 5 Sep 13

Fight_Back says...

Let's not forget that this priest comes from an organisation that has covered up child abuse and openly assists in the spread of aids by condemning the use of condoms. I think we can dismiss his blog and the words of a deranged nutter.
Let's not forget that this priest comes from an organisation that has covered up child abuse and openly assists in the spread of aids by condemning the use of condoms. I think we can dismiss his blog and the words of a deranged nutter. Fight_Back
  • Score: -37

1:34pm Thu 5 Sep 13

MuammarQaddafi says...

As a Christian, Fr Blake ought to remember that to love one's neighbour is a command. Theologically, the reason it's a command is because we don't incline to it naturally.
As a Christian, Fr Blake ought to remember that to love one's neighbour is a command. Theologically, the reason it's a command is because we don't incline to it naturally. MuammarQaddafi
  • Score: -31

1:45pm Thu 5 Sep 13

Bob_The_Ferret says...

The thing is, Fr Ray make a very good point, that it is all too easy for us to avoid or to just complain about irritating beggars, homeless street drinkers, and those in need on our doorstep. It is, however, a real challenge for many to love and help those in need, when it is far easier to just turn away and ignore them.

All you commenters with your bitchy and abusive comments, just ask yourself, what have you really done to help those in need? Do you just walk by on the other side of the street to avoid the Big Issue sellers? Do you make the same sort of offensive remarks about the poor, dirty and homeless you see on the streets?
The thing is, Fr Ray make a very good point, that it is all too easy for us to avoid or to just complain about irritating beggars, homeless street drinkers, and those in need on our doorstep. It is, however, a real challenge for many to love and help those in need, when it is far easier to just turn away and ignore them. All you commenters with your bitchy and abusive comments, just ask yourself, what have you really done to help those in need? Do you just walk by on the other side of the street to avoid the Big Issue sellers? Do you make the same sort of offensive remarks about the poor, dirty and homeless you see on the streets? Bob_The_Ferret
  • Score: 98

2:32pm Thu 5 Sep 13

FatherTed11 says...

Well said.
Well said. FatherTed11
  • Score: -1

2:41pm Thu 5 Sep 13

Somedude12345 says...

It's not the poor as such it's the chav scum that cause all the problems, I know plenty of poor people who are good and decent people they are not the issue
It's not the poor as such it's the chav scum that cause all the problems, I know plenty of poor people who are good and decent people they are not the issue Somedude12345
  • Score: 32

5:44pm Thu 5 Sep 13

whatevernext2013 says...

what a prat
what a prat whatevernext2013
  • Score: -50

5:52pm Thu 5 Sep 13

mimseycal says...

Testing his holiness? Ye gawds ... talk about an inflated ego!
Testing his holiness? Ye gawds ... talk about an inflated ego! mimseycal
  • Score: -52

6:21pm Thu 5 Sep 13

KarenT says...

There are irritating and lying and criminal people from all backgrounds. I guess the problem is that you will meet more irritating and lying and criminal people that have little money than you would with those who have loads. Those who have loads don't bother anyone and pretty much keep themselves to themselves, aside from charity work, which is usually NOT irritating. I would just say that if you decide to be a priest that it is likely you will meet many people who you find irritating, and that it's probably not a good vocational choice for those who are intolerant of it.
There are irritating and lying and criminal people from all backgrounds. I guess the problem is that you will meet more irritating and lying and criminal people that have little money than you would with those who have loads. Those who have loads don't bother anyone and pretty much keep themselves to themselves, aside from charity work, which is usually NOT irritating. I would just say that if you decide to be a priest that it is likely you will meet many people who you find irritating, and that it's probably not a good vocational choice for those who are intolerant of it. KarenT
  • Score: -20

8:13pm Thu 5 Sep 13

Colin Harte says...

This entirely misrepresents what Fr Blake said in his blog post. How many in Brighton do as much for the poor as Fr Blake? He wasn't complaining....just making the point that a romanticised view of what it is like to help the poor is misplaced, and that in reality it involves a selfless dedication which doesn't come easily to most of us (himself included.) It was an honest, thoughtful post and this report has distorted and cheapened what he said. An apology is owed to this good priest, and I hope this journalist will have the decency to make it.

Perhaps Bill Gardner will also have the decency to find out what Fr Blake does to assist the poor, and to report it accurately...and perhaps to assist him with his time and perhaps financially? Or is he just the sort of journalist who is satisfied so long as he makes up a sensational story no matter how far it is based on truth?
This entirely misrepresents what Fr Blake said in his blog post. How many in Brighton do as much for the poor as Fr Blake? He wasn't complaining....just making the point that a romanticised view of what it is like to help the poor is misplaced, and that in reality it involves a selfless dedication which doesn't come easily to most of us (himself included.) It was an honest, thoughtful post and this report has distorted and cheapened what he said. An apology is owed to this good priest, and I hope this journalist will have the decency to make it. Perhaps Bill Gardner will also have the decency to find out what Fr Blake does to assist the poor, and to report it accurately...and perhaps to assist him with his time and perhaps financially? Or is he just the sort of journalist who is satisfied so long as he makes up a sensational story no matter how far it is based on truth? Colin Harte
  • Score: 130

8:22pm Thu 5 Sep 13

Minion says...

This is all written as if to cause judgement (mostly from non-christians) on a priest and make him look snobby and mean. That may or may not be the case but it sounds like these homeless/street drinking people are taking the p!ss out of him, disrupting mass and peaceful worship, probably having a bit of a laugh while doing it and making some drink/drug money out of it. The priest is taking his religion seriously and the homeless in the story taking advantage of the fact.
Perhaps the bible thumpers need to do some updating to keep up with modern society, if religion as they know it is to survive. The "word of God" is so irrelevant to the world today that it's being interpreted out of context (because the written contexts don't exist in our times) and manipulated to back up the opinions of hateful, selfish and sometimes powerful people, and in less serious accounts religion's not respected and stories such as this are happening.
I personally think it's human to judge those who cause a nuisance, and it's pretentious and selfish to "con yourself that you love them" just because you're afraid that you'll go to hell if you don't. Helping others purely to save yourself.

Anyway, aside from these people mocking what he does, I think the priest should get to know some other types of poor people, (it might be a good idea to avoid chavs) I'm sure there are some decent people out there who are poor...
This is all written as if to cause judgement (mostly from non-christians) on a priest and make him look snobby and mean. That may or may not be the case but it sounds like these homeless/street drinking people are taking the p!ss out of him, disrupting mass and peaceful worship, probably having a bit of a laugh while doing it and making some drink/drug money out of it. The priest is taking his religion seriously and the homeless in the story taking advantage of the fact. Perhaps the bible thumpers need to do some updating to keep up with modern society, if religion as they know it is to survive. The "word of God" is so irrelevant to the world today that it's being interpreted out of context (because the written contexts don't exist in our times) and manipulated to back up the opinions of hateful, selfish and sometimes powerful people, and in less serious accounts religion's not respected and stories such as this are happening. I personally think it's human to judge those who cause a nuisance, and it's pretentious and selfish to "con yourself that you love them" just because you're afraid that you'll go to hell if you don't. Helping others purely to save yourself. Anyway, aside from these people mocking what he does, I think the priest should get to know some other types of poor people, (it might be a good idea to avoid chavs) I'm sure there are some decent people out there who are poor... Minion
  • Score: 13

9:09pm Thu 5 Sep 13

NDL says...

Father Ray, I'm an atheist but I must say you are absolutely right well said!!
Father Ray, I'm an atheist but I must say you are absolutely right well said!! NDL
  • Score: 59

2:53am Fri 6 Sep 13

losdude says...

to be honest, religion should be abolished, it has no place in our current world and only causes harm.
however, Faith does have a place, everyone is entitled to it, and if people purposefully cause disruption then they should be branded a nuisance and asked to leave respectfully.
tough issue here really.....
to be honest, religion should be abolished, it has no place in our current world and only causes harm. however, Faith does have a place, everyone is entitled to it, and if people purposefully cause disruption then they should be branded a nuisance and asked to leave respectfully. tough issue here really..... losdude
  • Score: -57

7:33am Fri 6 Sep 13

B rian Tawses left foot says...

God help the catholic church if Christ ever returns.
God help the catholic church if Christ ever returns. B rian Tawses left foot
  • Score: -37

8:43am Fri 6 Sep 13

ARMANA says...

Is Caroline Lucas poor then, ?
Is Caroline Lucas poor then, ? ARMANA
  • Score: -5

8:49am Fri 6 Sep 13

Sue De Nimes says...

Hmmm....Fr. Ray Blake on the same blog post refers to the poor as the treasure of the Church.

An incredibly poor piece of "journalism" from The Argus. Can I suggest people read the original blog piece below. The expression "test my holiness" appears to be a complete fabrication on behalf of The Argus.

http://marymagdalen.
blogspot.co.uk/2013/
08/the-trouble-with-
poor.html
Hmmm....Fr. Ray Blake on the same blog post refers to the poor as the treasure of the Church. An incredibly poor piece of "journalism" from The Argus. Can I suggest people read the original blog piece below. The expression "test my holiness" appears to be a complete fabrication on behalf of The Argus. http://marymagdalen. blogspot.co.uk/2013/ 08/the-trouble-with- poor.html Sue De Nimes
  • Score: 99

8:57am Fri 6 Sep 13

Sue De Nimes says...

Minion wrote:
This is all written as if to cause judgement (mostly from non-christians) on a priest and make him look snobby and mean. That may or may not be the case but it sounds like these homeless/street drinking people are taking the p!ss out of him, disrupting mass and peaceful worship, probably having a bit of a laugh while doing it and making some drink/drug money out of it. The priest is taking his religion seriously and the homeless in the story taking advantage of the fact.
Perhaps the bible thumpers need to do some updating to keep up with modern society, if religion as they know it is to survive. The "word of God" is so irrelevant to the world today that it's being interpreted out of context (because the written contexts don't exist in our times) and manipulated to back up the opinions of hateful, selfish and sometimes powerful people, and in less serious accounts religion's not respected and stories such as this are happening.
I personally think it's human to judge those who cause a nuisance, and it's pretentious and selfish to "con yourself that you love them" just because you're afraid that you'll go to hell if you don't. Helping others purely to save yourself.

Anyway, aside from these people mocking what he does, I think the priest should get to know some other types of poor people, (it might be a good idea to avoid chavs) I'm sure there are some decent people out there who are poor...
The point made by Fr. Ray is that we should help the poor - no matter how difficult we may find it. He does a huge amount for the poor in Brighton - and with very little resources.

On his original blog post he actually argues strongly against those who think we should only look after the "honest poor". The comments are well worth reading. http://marymagdalen.
blogspot.co.uk/2013/
08/the-trouble-with-
poor.html

Rest assured Fr. Ray knows lots of poor people. His parish is a poor one. You would struggle to find many parishioners who were not poor.
[quote][p][bold]Minion[/bold] wrote: This is all written as if to cause judgement (mostly from non-christians) on a priest and make him look snobby and mean. That may or may not be the case but it sounds like these homeless/street drinking people are taking the p!ss out of him, disrupting mass and peaceful worship, probably having a bit of a laugh while doing it and making some drink/drug money out of it. The priest is taking his religion seriously and the homeless in the story taking advantage of the fact. Perhaps the bible thumpers need to do some updating to keep up with modern society, if religion as they know it is to survive. The "word of God" is so irrelevant to the world today that it's being interpreted out of context (because the written contexts don't exist in our times) and manipulated to back up the opinions of hateful, selfish and sometimes powerful people, and in less serious accounts religion's not respected and stories such as this are happening. I personally think it's human to judge those who cause a nuisance, and it's pretentious and selfish to "con yourself that you love them" just because you're afraid that you'll go to hell if you don't. Helping others purely to save yourself. Anyway, aside from these people mocking what he does, I think the priest should get to know some other types of poor people, (it might be a good idea to avoid chavs) I'm sure there are some decent people out there who are poor...[/p][/quote]The point made by Fr. Ray is that we should help the poor - no matter how difficult we may find it. He does a huge amount for the poor in Brighton - and with very little resources. On his original blog post he actually argues strongly against those who think we should only look after the "honest poor". The comments are well worth reading. http://marymagdalen. blogspot.co.uk/2013/ 08/the-trouble-with- poor.html Rest assured Fr. Ray knows lots of poor people. His parish is a poor one. You would struggle to find many parishioners who were not poor. Sue De Nimes
  • Score: 79

9:18am Fri 6 Sep 13

CumLazaro says...

As other commenters have noted, this piece misrepresents Father Blake's original post which was really about how living out Christ's love for the poor challenges us out of our comfort zone.

Has Bill Gardner deliberately distorted what Father Blake said, or did he simply not understand the post?
As other commenters have noted, this piece misrepresents Father Blake's original post which was really about how living out Christ's love for the poor challenges us out of our comfort zone. Has Bill Gardner deliberately distorted what Father Blake said, or did he simply not understand the post? CumLazaro
  • Score: 83

10:13am Fri 6 Sep 13

UppityPrimate says...

'The bible teaches us the poor will always be with us' said the man in fancy robes, as the collection plate for the upkeep of the HUGE building no-one lives in passed round the assembled peasants..

While i can't help but feel this way about an organisation as rich and influential as the catholic church, i have to say that having read the original blog- this is another piece of one-sided journalism, taken out of context. if you read the post, and the resulting conversation, the point he's making is clearly that the poor might not always help themselves and it's natural to feel frustration with them even if you're in a frock, but that the teachings are that you should help them if you have the means.
I'm all for pointing out the failings of the church, but it seems you're actually just hanging a man out to dry based on a short excerpt from a much longer discussion. which is a surprise, considering this is the hallowed pages of the ever-objective Argus. *ahem*
'The bible teaches us the poor will always be with us' said the man in fancy robes, as the collection plate for the upkeep of the HUGE building no-one lives in passed round the assembled peasants.. While i can't help but feel this way about an organisation as rich and influential as the catholic church, i have to say that having read the original blog- this is another piece of one-sided journalism, taken out of context. if you read the post, and the resulting conversation, the point he's making is clearly that the poor might not always help themselves and it's natural to feel frustration with them even if you're in a frock, but that the teachings are that you should help them if you have the means. I'm all for pointing out the failings of the church, but it seems you're actually just hanging a man out to dry based on a short excerpt from a much longer discussion. which is a surprise, considering this is the hallowed pages of the ever-objective Argus. *ahem* UppityPrimate
  • Score: 43

11:05am Fri 6 Sep 13

Kedge says...

Cheap shots, using distorted and emotive language, might get follow-ups in the national media and a congratulatory pint down the pub for an intrepid journalist after a hard day making a couple of phone calls, but the story is what's known in the trade as a "flam".
Tagging it "exclusive" is a bit of a con because the priest's blog post has already been widely read. - in its proper context.
As for a poster's pathetic criticism of him apparently wining and dining, not in a Michelin-star restaurant, but in a run-of-the-mill pub, (shock-horror) it's more than likely that Fr. Blake was being treated, since he relies on Sunday collections from a poor parish for his living - no stipend, no pension for him.
What little he has he gives away to those in need. Oh, yes. . . And he gives shelter to homeless asylum seekers. Dear, oh dear.
The question is how many bleeding-heart posters who are busy tearing into Fr. Blake take the biblical lesson of "go and do likewise"? When did you last search out and offer kindness to a drunk or a druggie, or is it only the deserving poor who merit concern ?
Cheap shots, using distorted and emotive language, might get follow-ups in the national media and a congratulatory pint down the pub for an intrepid journalist after a hard day making a couple of phone calls, but the story is what's known in the trade as a "flam". Tagging it "exclusive" is a bit of a con because the priest's blog post has already been widely read. - in its proper context. As for a poster's pathetic criticism of him apparently wining and dining, not in a Michelin-star restaurant, but in a run-of-the-mill pub, (shock-horror) it's more than likely that Fr. Blake was being treated, since he relies on Sunday collections from a poor parish for his living - no stipend, no pension for him. What little he has he gives away to those in need. Oh, yes. . . And he gives shelter to homeless asylum seekers. Dear, oh dear. The question is how many bleeding-heart posters who are busy tearing into Fr. Blake take the biblical lesson of "go and do likewise"? When did you last search out and offer kindness to a drunk or a druggie, or is it only the deserving poor who merit concern ? Kedge
  • Score: 70

11:09am Fri 6 Sep 13

Minion says...

*unsubscribes*
*unsubscribes* Minion
  • Score: 7

11:15am Fri 6 Sep 13

Sue De Nimes says...

Why does the article not include a link to the blog post it is reporting on?
Why does the article not include a link to the blog post it is reporting on? Sue De Nimes
  • Score: 59

12:26pm Fri 6 Sep 13

henry.bn says...

Why don't you critics go and show Fr Blake how he should be doing the holiness thing?
Why don't you critics go and show Fr Blake how he should be doing the holiness thing? henry.bn
  • Score: 40

2:29pm Fri 6 Sep 13

Gagrivar says...

Kedge wrote:
Cheap shots, using distorted and emotive language, might get follow-ups in the national media and a congratulatory pint down the pub for an intrepid journalist after a hard day making a couple of phone calls, but the story is what's known in the trade as a "flam".
Tagging it "exclusive" is a bit of a con because the priest's blog post has already been widely read. - in its proper context.
As for a poster's pathetic criticism of him apparently wining and dining, not in a Michelin-star restaurant, but in a run-of-the-mill pub, (shock-horror) it's more than likely that Fr. Blake was being treated, since he relies on Sunday collections from a poor parish for his living - no stipend, no pension for him.
What little he has he gives away to those in need. Oh, yes. . . And he gives shelter to homeless asylum seekers. Dear, oh dear.
The question is how many bleeding-heart posters who are busy tearing into Fr. Blake take the biblical lesson of "go and do likewise"? When did you last search out and offer kindness to a drunk or a druggie, or is it only the deserving poor who merit concern ?
Can he not ask his invisible magic friend to stop people taking his comments out of context? Or has he invented a deity that has no power?
[quote][p][bold]Kedge[/bold] wrote: Cheap shots, using distorted and emotive language, might get follow-ups in the national media and a congratulatory pint down the pub for an intrepid journalist after a hard day making a couple of phone calls, but the story is what's known in the trade as a "flam". Tagging it "exclusive" is a bit of a con because the priest's blog post has already been widely read. - in its proper context. As for a poster's pathetic criticism of him apparently wining and dining, not in a Michelin-star restaurant, but in a run-of-the-mill pub, (shock-horror) it's more than likely that Fr. Blake was being treated, since he relies on Sunday collections from a poor parish for his living - no stipend, no pension for him. What little he has he gives away to those in need. Oh, yes. . . And he gives shelter to homeless asylum seekers. Dear, oh dear. The question is how many bleeding-heart posters who are busy tearing into Fr. Blake take the biblical lesson of "go and do likewise"? When did you last search out and offer kindness to a drunk or a druggie, or is it only the deserving poor who merit concern ?[/p][/quote]Can he not ask his invisible magic friend to stop people taking his comments out of context? Or has he invented a deity that has no power? Gagrivar
  • Score: -61

2:36pm Fri 6 Sep 13

Somethingsarejustwrong says...

Kedge wrote:
Cheap shots, using distorted and emotive language, might get follow-ups in the national media and a congratulatory pint down the pub for an intrepid journalist after a hard day making a couple of phone calls, but the story is what's known in the trade as a "flam".
Tagging it "exclusive" is a bit of a con because the priest's blog post has already been widely read. - in its proper context.
As for a poster's pathetic criticism of him apparently wining and dining, not in a Michelin-star restaurant, but in a run-of-the-mill pub, (shock-horror) it's more than likely that Fr. Blake was being treated, since he relies on Sunday collections from a poor parish for his living - no stipend, no pension for him.
What little he has he gives away to those in need. Oh, yes. . . And he gives shelter to homeless asylum seekers. Dear, oh dear.
The question is how many bleeding-heart posters who are busy tearing into Fr. Blake take the biblical lesson of "go and do likewise"? When did you last search out and offer kindness to a drunk or a druggie, or is it only the deserving poor who merit concern ?
You are truly clueless

The church is apparently encouraging all things wrong and you, you waster are suggesting the same.

I hope you realise how stupid you are before its too late

Waster

Laughable
[quote][p][bold]Kedge[/bold] wrote: Cheap shots, using distorted and emotive language, might get follow-ups in the national media and a congratulatory pint down the pub for an intrepid journalist after a hard day making a couple of phone calls, but the story is what's known in the trade as a "flam". Tagging it "exclusive" is a bit of a con because the priest's blog post has already been widely read. - in its proper context. As for a poster's pathetic criticism of him apparently wining and dining, not in a Michelin-star restaurant, but in a run-of-the-mill pub, (shock-horror) it's more than likely that Fr. Blake was being treated, since he relies on Sunday collections from a poor parish for his living - no stipend, no pension for him. What little he has he gives away to those in need. Oh, yes. . . And he gives shelter to homeless asylum seekers. Dear, oh dear. The question is how many bleeding-heart posters who are busy tearing into Fr. Blake take the biblical lesson of "go and do likewise"? When did you last search out and offer kindness to a drunk or a druggie, or is it only the deserving poor who merit concern ?[/p][/quote]You are truly clueless The church is apparently encouraging all things wrong and you, you waster are suggesting the same. I hope you realise how stupid you are before its too late Waster Laughable Somethingsarejustwrong
  • Score: -44

5:22pm Fri 6 Sep 13

Cyril Bolleaux says...

Somethingsarejustwro
ng
wrote:
Kedge wrote:
Cheap shots, using distorted and emotive language, might get follow-ups in the national media and a congratulatory pint down the pub for an intrepid journalist after a hard day making a couple of phone calls, but the story is what's known in the trade as a "flam".
Tagging it "exclusive" is a bit of a con because the priest's blog post has already been widely read. - in its proper context.
As for a poster's pathetic criticism of him apparently wining and dining, not in a Michelin-star restaurant, but in a run-of-the-mill pub, (shock-horror) it's more than likely that Fr. Blake was being treated, since he relies on Sunday collections from a poor parish for his living - no stipend, no pension for him.
What little he has he gives away to those in need. Oh, yes. . . And he gives shelter to homeless asylum seekers. Dear, oh dear.
The question is how many bleeding-heart posters who are busy tearing into Fr. Blake take the biblical lesson of "go and do likewise"? When did you last search out and offer kindness to a drunk or a druggie, or is it only the deserving poor who merit concern ?
You are truly clueless

The church is apparently encouraging all things wrong and you, you waster are suggesting the same.

I hope you realise how stupid you are before its too late

Waster

Laughable
I warned you. You are are gutless creep and I am going to take action against you.
[quote][p][bold]Somethingsarejustwro ng[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kedge[/bold] wrote: Cheap shots, using distorted and emotive language, might get follow-ups in the national media and a congratulatory pint down the pub for an intrepid journalist after a hard day making a couple of phone calls, but the story is what's known in the trade as a "flam". Tagging it "exclusive" is a bit of a con because the priest's blog post has already been widely read. - in its proper context. As for a poster's pathetic criticism of him apparently wining and dining, not in a Michelin-star restaurant, but in a run-of-the-mill pub, (shock-horror) it's more than likely that Fr. Blake was being treated, since he relies on Sunday collections from a poor parish for his living - no stipend, no pension for him. What little he has he gives away to those in need. Oh, yes. . . And he gives shelter to homeless asylum seekers. Dear, oh dear. The question is how many bleeding-heart posters who are busy tearing into Fr. Blake take the biblical lesson of "go and do likewise"? When did you last search out and offer kindness to a drunk or a druggie, or is it only the deserving poor who merit concern ?[/p][/quote]You are truly clueless The church is apparently encouraging all things wrong and you, you waster are suggesting the same. I hope you realise how stupid you are before its too late Waster Laughable[/p][/quote]I warned you. You are are gutless creep and I am going to take action against you. Cyril Bolleaux
  • Score: -3

5:31pm Fri 6 Sep 13

mimseycal says...

God has sent us neither the poor nor the wealthy, neither the rich in spirit nor the poor in compassion. We are all the products of our parents, our environment and our personal abilities and capacities.
Take responsibility for yourself where and when you can and accept responsibility for those you can extend a helping hand to as you pass through life. And leave the rest to others.

The gospel according to Mimsey ...
God has sent us neither the poor nor the wealthy, neither the rich in spirit nor the poor in compassion. We are all the products of our parents, our environment and our personal abilities and capacities. Take responsibility for yourself where and when you can and accept responsibility for those you can extend a helping hand to as you pass through life. And leave the rest to others. The gospel according to Mimsey ... mimseycal
  • Score: -12

6:17pm Fri 6 Sep 13

DonAdrian says...

Fr Blake posted his comments on his blog nearly a month ago - so not much news in Brighton yesterday? What about this for Monday's headline: 'Journalist uses fee for unfair article about priest to help destitute shock'?
Fr Blake posted his comments on his blog nearly a month ago - so not much news in Brighton yesterday? What about this for Monday's headline: 'Journalist uses fee for unfair article about priest to help destitute shock'? DonAdrian
  • Score: 54

6:58pm Fri 6 Sep 13

Somethingsarejustwrong says...

Cyril Bolleaux wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro

ng
wrote:
Kedge wrote:
Cheap shots, using distorted and emotive language, might get follow-ups in the national media and a congratulatory pint down the pub for an intrepid journalist after a hard day making a couple of phone calls, but the story is what's known in the trade as a "flam".
Tagging it "exclusive" is a bit of a con because the priest's blog post has already been widely read. - in its proper context.
As for a poster's pathetic criticism of him apparently wining and dining, not in a Michelin-star restaurant, but in a run-of-the-mill pub, (shock-horror) it's more than likely that Fr. Blake was being treated, since he relies on Sunday collections from a poor parish for his living - no stipend, no pension for him.
What little he has he gives away to those in need. Oh, yes. . . And he gives shelter to homeless asylum seekers. Dear, oh dear.
The question is how many bleeding-heart posters who are busy tearing into Fr. Blake take the biblical lesson of "go and do likewise"? When did you last search out and offer kindness to a drunk or a druggie, or is it only the deserving poor who merit concern ?
You are truly clueless

The church is apparently encouraging all things wrong and you, you waster are suggesting the same.

I hope you realise how stupid you are before its too late

Waster

Laughable
I warned you. You are are gutless creep and I am going to take action against you.
Hi Cyril

Far from gutless and believe me I give as good as I get especially against jumped up little hypocrites.

Not of course that I am suggesting you are one, however as you didn't address earlier points perhaps you can clarify

Again the point I made was in respect of your defence of and my suggestion that you may not be quite as defensive as you suggested. Additionally I asked you a question as you didn't address my earlier point

If you would like to meet up face to face - Yes Cyril that may require having a pair - then please let me have details

Laughable!
[quote][p][bold]Cyril Bolleaux[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Somethingsarejustwro ng[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kedge[/bold] wrote: Cheap shots, using distorted and emotive language, might get follow-ups in the national media and a congratulatory pint down the pub for an intrepid journalist after a hard day making a couple of phone calls, but the story is what's known in the trade as a "flam". Tagging it "exclusive" is a bit of a con because the priest's blog post has already been widely read. - in its proper context. As for a poster's pathetic criticism of him apparently wining and dining, not in a Michelin-star restaurant, but in a run-of-the-mill pub, (shock-horror) it's more than likely that Fr. Blake was being treated, since he relies on Sunday collections from a poor parish for his living - no stipend, no pension for him. What little he has he gives away to those in need. Oh, yes. . . And he gives shelter to homeless asylum seekers. Dear, oh dear. The question is how many bleeding-heart posters who are busy tearing into Fr. Blake take the biblical lesson of "go and do likewise"? When did you last search out and offer kindness to a drunk or a druggie, or is it only the deserving poor who merit concern ?[/p][/quote]You are truly clueless The church is apparently encouraging all things wrong and you, you waster are suggesting the same. I hope you realise how stupid you are before its too late Waster Laughable[/p][/quote]I warned you. You are are gutless creep and I am going to take action against you.[/p][/quote]Hi Cyril Far from gutless and believe me I give as good as I get especially against jumped up little hypocrites. Not of course that I am suggesting you are one, however as you didn't address earlier points perhaps you can clarify Again the point I made was in respect of your defence of and my suggestion that you may not be quite as defensive as you suggested. Additionally I asked you a question as you didn't address my earlier point If you would like to meet up face to face - Yes Cyril that may require having a pair - then please let me have details Laughable! Somethingsarejustwrong
  • Score: -12

7:02pm Fri 6 Sep 13

Somethingsarejustwrong says...

Cyril

Apologies but rolling around the floor laughing at present
Cyril Apologies but rolling around the floor laughing at present Somethingsarejustwrong
  • Score: -11

7:12pm Fri 6 Sep 13

Jonny 171 says...

I think it would be of value for everyone here to read the original post from Fr Ray in its full context before passing further judgement.

http://marymagdalen.
blogspot.co.uk/2013/
08/the-trouble-with-
poor.html


I knew Fr Ray many years ago and found him to be a pompous but genuinely compassionate man who gave a lot of time to me and others. I note that the article makes no mention of the good work he and his parishioners do for the poor people of Brighton. I wonder if the author of the article will take up Fr Blake's offer to volunteer at the parish soup kitchen? I hope he does.
I think it would be of value for everyone here to read the original post from Fr Ray in its full context before passing further judgement. http://marymagdalen. blogspot.co.uk/2013/ 08/the-trouble-with- poor.html I knew Fr Ray many years ago and found him to be a pompous but genuinely compassionate man who gave a lot of time to me and others. I note that the article makes no mention of the good work he and his parishioners do for the poor people of Brighton. I wonder if the author of the article will take up Fr Blake's offer to volunteer at the parish soup kitchen? I hope he does. Jonny 171
  • Score: 39

7:50pm Fri 6 Sep 13

Terry Firma says...

Yellow journalism, and I say that as an atheist who has zero love for the church or for most clergy.

http://www.patheos.c
om/blogs/friendlyath
eist/2013/09/06/godl
iness-and-the-homele
ss-did-british-pries
t-ray-blake-really-l
ay-into-the-poor/
Yellow journalism, and I say that as an atheist who has zero love for the church or for most clergy. http://www.patheos.c om/blogs/friendlyath eist/2013/09/06/godl iness-and-the-homele ss-did-british-pries t-ray-blake-really-l ay-into-the-poor/ Terry Firma
  • Score: 26

7:52pm Fri 6 Sep 13

Terry Firma says...

Yellow journalism, and I say that as an atheist who has zero love for the church or for most clergy.

http://goo.gl/sLnIC8
Yellow journalism, and I say that as an atheist who has zero love for the church or for most clergy. http://goo.gl/sLnIC8 Terry Firma
  • Score: 20

9:38pm Fri 6 Sep 13

gemoftheocean says...

Bill Gardner, you a a vile, yellow journalist who doesn't know his rear end from his elbow. It's VERY obvious you are pushing a hate agenda against the Catholic church in general and Fr. Ray Blake in particular - more than likely because the Catholic church is 4-square against pushing the gay agenda and abortion on demand. Father Blake has done more to help the poor and homeless, and yes, gays, and all comers in a month than you will ever do in your lifetime.

It's VERY obvious you do not read his blog regularly and were sent out to do a hit piece by your editors who have a grievance against him. Fr. Ray does not drive and once he even saw a gay man safely home physically shouldering him home on a cold winter's evening after the strung out young man had been beaten up by a lover. This is but ONE small example that would be "all in a day's work" for Father Blake.

Brighton loves to pretend everything is always full of roses, rainbows and sunshine and happiness in the gay community, but Fr. Ray sees the underside of what happens and deals with people where they are, and not illusions. He's helped people rid themselves of things that people of Brighton not infrequenty revel in -- ****, for instance. Can't walk into a baked goods shop with a child sometimes and not be embarrassed by the wares displayed. You and your ilk glorify in "no God, sex any way you want it with no consequences, no standards of decency."

Fr. Blake also is concerned about all the elderly, single people who live alone, whom no one sees and no one "cares" about. The state is a cold "mother." But Father Blake sees to their needs and cares that they are loved too and reaches out to them. Do you know his church helps out people living in fear of being deported back to their own countries where they might well be raped/killed/persecu
ted/tortured? Thought not.

He says things to DELIBERATELY provoke his readership in to realizing that although consequences of homelessness, drug use, etc. cause many those people to exhibit unpleasant behaviors, Jesus Christ STILL said we ARE our brother's keeper.

Do you have a clue that Fr. Ray's congregation runs a feeding program for the down and outters of Brighton? Thought not. Maybe instead of castigating this good and holy man, you should hang your head for shame. You are spiteful, vicious, and owe Fr. Blake an apology. You, personally, aren't fit for him to wipe his boots on. I'd say more, but I'm afraid I'd get angry at you if I told you what I really think, of you AND your editors, if your fishwrap of a rag has any. I'd tell you to "have a nice day" but I'm sure you have other plans.


Karen Horn/Greater London
Bill Gardner, you a a vile, yellow journalist who doesn't know his rear end from his elbow. It's VERY obvious you are pushing a hate agenda against the Catholic church in general and Fr. Ray Blake in particular - more than likely because the Catholic church is 4-square against pushing the gay agenda and abortion on demand. Father Blake has done more to help the poor and homeless, and yes, gays, and all comers in a month than you will ever do in your lifetime. It's VERY obvious you do not read his blog regularly and were sent out to do a hit piece by your editors who have a grievance against him. Fr. Ray does not drive and once he even saw a gay man safely home physically shouldering him home on a cold winter's evening after the strung out young man had been beaten up by a lover. This is but ONE small example that would be "all in a day's work" for Father Blake. Brighton loves to pretend everything is always full of roses, rainbows and sunshine and happiness in the gay community, but Fr. Ray sees the underside of what happens and deals with people where they are, and not illusions. He's helped people rid themselves of things that people of Brighton not infrequenty revel in -- ****, for instance. Can't walk into a baked goods shop with a child sometimes and not be embarrassed by the wares displayed. You and your ilk glorify in "no God, sex any way you want it with no consequences, no standards of decency." Fr. Blake also is concerned about all the elderly, single people who live alone, whom no one sees and no one "cares" about. The state is a cold "mother." But Father Blake sees to their needs and cares that they are loved too and reaches out to them. Do you know his church helps out people living in fear of being deported back to their own countries where they might well be raped/killed/persecu ted/tortured? Thought not. He says things to DELIBERATELY provoke his readership in to realizing that although consequences of homelessness, drug use, etc. cause many those people to exhibit unpleasant behaviors, Jesus Christ STILL said we ARE our brother's keeper. Do you have a clue that Fr. Ray's congregation runs a feeding program for the down and outters of Brighton? Thought not. Maybe instead of castigating this good and holy man, you should hang your head for shame. You are spiteful, vicious, and owe Fr. Blake an apology. You, personally, aren't fit for him to wipe his boots on. I'd say more, but I'm afraid I'd get angry at you if I told you what I really think, of you AND your editors, if your fishwrap of a rag has any. I'd tell you to "have a nice day" but I'm sure you have other plans. [And yes, the horse you rode up on too, you gutless wonder.] Karen Horn/Greater London gemoftheocean
  • Score: 48

9:44pm Fri 6 Sep 13

vickyn says...

This a prime example why journalist have such a bad reputation with the public. This Bill Gardner has misrepresented Fr. Blake's original article which I read on his blog some weeks ago. For those of you only too willing to take a shot at a Catholic priest go and read the original article and then make up your mind.
How would anyone on this comment page like if something they had said was misrepresented not only in Brighton but in the national papers?
This a prime example why journalist have such a bad reputation with the public. This Bill Gardner has misrepresented Fr. Blake's original article which I read on his blog some weeks ago. For those of you only too willing to take a shot at a Catholic priest go and read the original article and then make up your mind. How would anyone on this comment page like if something they had said was misrepresented not only in Brighton but in the national papers? vickyn
  • Score: 50

10:53pm Fri 6 Sep 13

Cathy L says...

This article is b as in b, and s and in s.

I hope Fr Blake sues. And you can bet that he would use the proceeds of any settlement entirely for the poor and not keep even a penny for himself.
This article is b as in b, and s and in s. I hope Fr Blake sues. And you can bet that he would use the proceeds of any settlement entirely for the poor and not keep even a penny for himself. Cathy L
  • Score: 46

10:55pm Fri 6 Sep 13

Cathy L says...

This article is b as in b, and s as in s.

I hope Fr Blake sues. And you can bet that he would use the proceeds of any settlement entirely for the poor and not keep even a penny for himself.
This article is b as in b, and s as in s. I hope Fr Blake sues. And you can bet that he would use the proceeds of any settlement entirely for the poor and not keep even a penny for himself. Cathy L
  • Score: 25

12:00am Sat 7 Sep 13

Laurence England says...

Hi Argus readers,

Fr Ray has been my parish priest for nearly ten years now. He is always helping poor people who come to his door and the parish, at his request, maintains one of the two soup runs that feeds the homeless 365 days a year.

I know the man who Fr Ray was talking about in his original blogpost, which the 'journalist' who wrote this hit-piece neglected to include in his article.

It just so happens that he is banned from 44 streets in Brighton. Who banned this man from Brighton? Was it the priest? Was it the Church? No, readers, it was Brighton and Hove City Council!

Perhaps, the writer of this ridiculous article which completely misrepresents what the priest was actually saying, should interview Brighton council about why they find the poor so objectionable that they ban him from nearly all of Brighton.

He actually finds welcome in the parish Church of St Mary Magdalen, a welcome which he finds NOWHERE else. He is a beggar, he can be aggressive, he is an alcoholic and for these things his ASBO is renewed each year even though it was meant to have ran out years ago!

What Fr Ray was saying is that it is senseless to suggest that the poor are all living Saints. Some will say anything, including tell lies, in order to get money out of people. Many live messy lives morally for different reasons - many are on drink and drugs. He was saying that Christians are meant to be taken out of their 'comfort zone' and should allow the poor to shake things up a little bit in their lives.

By rights, having disturbed Catholic worship several times, this individual should have been removed (by force if necessary) from the Church and banned from the locality. It didn't happen. Why? Because the priest is kind, loving, merciful and caring for the poor - even the poor who are so incredibly annoying that they are banned from nearly all of Brighton except London Road!!!

But, of course, being deceptive and manipulating people and/or the facts are not sins only the poor commit, as the journalist who wrote this slanderous garbage can now attest.
Hi Argus readers, Fr Ray has been my parish priest for nearly ten years now. He is always helping poor people who come to his door and the parish, at his request, maintains one of the two soup runs that feeds the homeless 365 days a year. I know the man who Fr Ray was talking about in his original blogpost, which the 'journalist' who wrote this hit-piece neglected to include in his article. It just so happens that he is banned from 44 streets in Brighton. Who banned this man from Brighton? Was it the priest? Was it the Church? No, readers, it was Brighton and Hove City Council! Perhaps, the writer of this ridiculous article which completely misrepresents what the priest was actually saying, should interview Brighton council about why they find the poor so objectionable that they ban him from nearly all of Brighton. He actually finds welcome in the parish Church of St Mary Magdalen, a welcome which he finds NOWHERE else. He is a beggar, he can be aggressive, he is an alcoholic and for these things his ASBO is renewed each year even though it was meant to have ran out years ago! What Fr Ray was saying is that it is senseless to suggest that the poor are all living Saints. Some will say anything, including tell lies, in order to get money out of people. Many live messy lives morally for different reasons - many are on drink and drugs. He was saying that Christians are meant to be taken out of their 'comfort zone' and should allow the poor to shake things up a little bit in their lives. By rights, having disturbed Catholic worship several times, this individual should have been removed (by force if necessary) from the Church and banned from the locality. It didn't happen. Why? Because the priest is kind, loving, merciful and caring for the poor - even the poor who are so incredibly annoying that they are banned from nearly all of Brighton except London Road!!! But, of course, being deceptive and manipulating people and/or the facts are not sins only the poor commit, as the journalist who wrote this slanderous garbage can now attest. Laurence England
  • Score: 55

12:25am Sat 7 Sep 13

Laurence England says...

http://thatthebonesy
ouhavecrushedmaythri
ll.blogspot.co.uk/20
13/09/support-fr-ray
-blake.html

In his blogpost, Fr Ray suggested that Christians needed to let the poor 'mess things up' a little in the lives of Christians. Oh boy! And this one does - so much so I'm thinking of moving to Southampton!

Perhaps, given that he is so interested in defending the poor against the accusations of Catholic priests in Brighton, Bill Gardner would like to live in Fr Ray's Presbytery for a week and see how he copes with managing with greeting the poor who come to Fr Ray's door seeking his help, financial or otherwise.

Or, alternatively, Mr Gardner, you could, as Fr Ray has suggested, help out either with the asylum seekers charity working from Fr Ray's basement that distributes food to those with no access to public funds, or to the homeless of Brighton and Hove (many of whom have no benefits) who are fed directly by the soup run of St Mary Magdalen Church every day of the year come rain, come shine, without fail.



Or, alternatively, Mr Gardner, you could come and live at my flat for a week and have the man pictured above disturb your cozy lifestyle by shouting, as he was five minutes ago, up at your window at midnight, disturbing both you and your neighbours. Unlike me he has a heart of gold, but such sentiments go out of the window when he turns up there and bellows your name.

By no means was Fr Ray's whole article centred on this one individual, but perhaps Mr Gardner should be aware that this individual finds more mercy, charity and love at St Mary Magdalen's Church and from its Christians than he finds in all of Brighton, since the Council saw fit years ago to place upon him an ASBO that means he is banned from nearly the whole of Brighton bar London Road and parts of Kemptown. Anyone would have thought Brighton and Hove City Council wanted this man out of town, or something!



When he's not going around begging, drinking and making noise, he's being fitted up by Sussex Police in an entrapment process to get him back inside for selling them drugs, or being put back behind bars for breaking his draconian ASBO, for such offenses as walking on the wrong side of the street, or for walking on a street from which he is banned.

Perhaps the only place this man is not banned is St Mary Magdalen Church, even though, frankly, he has disturbed worship enough times to have been forcibly removed and forbidden from ever re-entering.

Perhaps, Mr Gardner, next time you are on London Road, you can interview this man (yes, I'm sure you recognise him) about his life, his horrific upbringing, his behaviour, his ASBO, how Sussex Police fit him and other homeless people up for prison via entrapment by deceptively getting them to sell them drugs and other such tales.

You could do that, if you were a real journalist, but you are not - not yet at any rate. You are a tired and lazy journalist who takes stuff people having written on their blogs only to misrepresent their reasoning to fit your own prejudices and agenda, and, just to prove you are really lazy, fails to give readers the original source of your 'quotes', thereby slandering the person who wrote the really quite thought provoking piece.

You can read Fr Blake's actual blogpost here.

http://marymagdalen.
blogspot.co.uk/2013/
08/the-trouble-with-
poor.html
http://thatthebonesy ouhavecrushedmaythri ll.blogspot.co.uk/20 13/09/support-fr-ray -blake.html In his blogpost, Fr Ray suggested that Christians needed to let the poor 'mess things up' a little in the lives of Christians. Oh boy! And this one does - so much so I'm thinking of moving to Southampton! Perhaps, given that he is so interested in defending the poor against the accusations of Catholic priests in Brighton, Bill Gardner would like to live in Fr Ray's Presbytery for a week and see how he copes with managing with greeting the poor who come to Fr Ray's door seeking his help, financial or otherwise. Or, alternatively, Mr Gardner, you could, as Fr Ray has suggested, help out either with the asylum seekers charity working from Fr Ray's basement that distributes food to those with no access to public funds, or to the homeless of Brighton and Hove (many of whom have no benefits) who are fed directly by the soup run of St Mary Magdalen Church every day of the year come rain, come shine, without fail. Or, alternatively, Mr Gardner, you could come and live at my flat for a week and have the man pictured above disturb your cozy lifestyle by shouting, as he was five minutes ago, up at your window at midnight, disturbing both you and your neighbours. Unlike me he has a heart of gold, but such sentiments go out of the window when he turns up there and bellows your name. By no means was Fr Ray's whole article centred on this one individual, but perhaps Mr Gardner should be aware that this individual finds more mercy, charity and love at St Mary Magdalen's Church and from its Christians than he finds in all of Brighton, since the Council saw fit years ago to place upon him an ASBO that means he is banned from nearly the whole of Brighton bar London Road and parts of Kemptown. Anyone would have thought Brighton and Hove City Council wanted this man out of town, or something! When he's not going around begging, drinking and making noise, he's being fitted up by Sussex Police in an entrapment process to get him back inside for selling them drugs, or being put back behind bars for breaking his draconian ASBO, for such offenses as walking on the wrong side of the street, or for walking on a street from which he is banned. Perhaps the only place this man is not banned is St Mary Magdalen Church, even though, frankly, he has disturbed worship enough times to have been forcibly removed and forbidden from ever re-entering. Perhaps, Mr Gardner, next time you are on London Road, you can interview this man (yes, I'm sure you recognise him) about his life, his horrific upbringing, his behaviour, his ASBO, how Sussex Police fit him and other homeless people up for prison via entrapment by deceptively getting them to sell them drugs and other such tales. You could do that, if you were a real journalist, but you are not - not yet at any rate. You are a tired and lazy journalist who takes stuff people having written on their blogs only to misrepresent their reasoning to fit your own prejudices and agenda, and, just to prove you are really lazy, fails to give readers the original source of your 'quotes', thereby slandering the person who wrote the really quite thought provoking piece. You can read Fr Blake's actual blogpost here. http://marymagdalen. blogspot.co.uk/2013/ 08/the-trouble-with- poor.html Laurence England
  • Score: 49

6:57am Sat 7 Sep 13

henry.bn says...

To judge from the comments and voting on the comments, this journalist has done nothing to enhance either his own reputation or that of the Argus.

The honourable thing to do would be to resign, or failing that, to write another article retracting what he said and apologising for misrepresentation.
To judge from the comments and voting on the comments, this journalist has done nothing to enhance either his own reputation or that of the Argus. The honourable thing to do would be to resign, or failing that, to write another article retracting what he said and apologising for misrepresentation. henry.bn
  • Score: 44

6:57am Sat 7 Sep 13

henry.bn says...

To judge from the comments and voting on the comments, this journalist has done nothing to enhance either his own reputation or that of the Argus.

The honourable thing to do would be to resign, or failing that, to write another article retracting what he said and apologising for misrepresentation.
To judge from the comments and voting on the comments, this journalist has done nothing to enhance either his own reputation or that of the Argus. The honourable thing to do would be to resign, or failing that, to write another article retracting what he said and apologising for misrepresentation. henry.bn
  • Score: 18

7:47am Sat 7 Sep 13

henry.bn says...

Somethingsarejustwro
ng
wrote:
I think the journalism has started to surface the real story and well done to the Argus on this

I have friends who have recently bought a property close by to the drug den spending well in excess of £1m believing the area to be safe for their children

They say the church acts as a magnet for all the wrong sorts and would love to see it closed, demolished and turned into residential housing

This vicar should stick to preaching and leave sociall and prison services to deal with the miscreant congregation. Unbelievable and unacceptable
The church is no more of a drug den than many other places in the rest of Brighton. It was not long ago that Brighton was reported as being the heroin death capital of Britain. Nasty place these days, not what it was in the 1970s, that's for sure. Your wealthy friends should have done their research first. But if that is their attitude they could well find their children becoming drawn to drugs whereever they lived. Drugs are available everywhere.
[quote][p][bold]Somethingsarejustwro ng[/bold] wrote: I think the journalism has started to surface the real story and well done to the Argus on this I have friends who have recently bought a property close by to the drug den spending well in excess of £1m believing the area to be safe for their children They say the church acts as a magnet for all the wrong sorts and would love to see it closed, demolished and turned into residential housing This vicar should stick to preaching and leave sociall and prison services to deal with the miscreant congregation. Unbelievable and unacceptable[/p][/quote]The church is no more of a drug den than many other places in the rest of Brighton. It was not long ago that Brighton was reported as being the heroin death capital of Britain. Nasty place these days, not what it was in the 1970s, that's for sure. Your wealthy friends should have done their research first. But if that is their attitude they could well find their children becoming drawn to drugs whereever they lived. Drugs are available everywhere. henry.bn
  • Score: 12

8:57am Sat 7 Sep 13

Somethingsarejustwrong says...

henry.bn wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro

ng
wrote:
I think the journalism has started to surface the real story and well done to the Argus on this

I have friends who have recently bought a property close by to the drug den spending well in excess of £1m believing the area to be safe for their children

They say the church acts as a magnet for all the wrong sorts and would love to see it closed, demolished and turned into residential housing

This vicar should stick to preaching and leave sociall and prison services to deal with the miscreant congregation. Unbelievable and unacceptable
The church is no more of a drug den than many other places in the rest of Brighton. It was not long ago that Brighton was reported as being the heroin death capital of Britain. Nasty place these days, not what it was in the 1970s, that's for sure. Your wealthy friends should have done their research first. But if that is their attitude they could well find their children becoming drawn to drugs whereever they lived. Drugs are available everywhere.
My friends are not wealthy and shouldn't need to research the goings on in a local church before buying property. Are you really so stupid?
[quote][p][bold]henry.bn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Somethingsarejustwro ng[/bold] wrote: I think the journalism has started to surface the real story and well done to the Argus on this I have friends who have recently bought a property close by to the drug den spending well in excess of £1m believing the area to be safe for their children They say the church acts as a magnet for all the wrong sorts and would love to see it closed, demolished and turned into residential housing This vicar should stick to preaching and leave sociall and prison services to deal with the miscreant congregation. Unbelievable and unacceptable[/p][/quote]The church is no more of a drug den than many other places in the rest of Brighton. It was not long ago that Brighton was reported as being the heroin death capital of Britain. Nasty place these days, not what it was in the 1970s, that's for sure. Your wealthy friends should have done their research first. But if that is their attitude they could well find their children becoming drawn to drugs whereever they lived. Drugs are available everywhere.[/p][/quote]My friends are not wealthy and shouldn't need to research the goings on in a local church before buying property. Are you really so stupid? Somethingsarejustwrong
  • Score: -22

12:42pm Sat 7 Sep 13

ARealBessie says...

I know the 'irritant' referred to in this article, and yes he can be extremely irritating and difficult 'to love' indeed. He's an exhibitionist, a wind up, and a terrible liar (he's celebrated 3 birthdays this year alone for instance. No doubt he'll have a 4th by the end of the year.) He's also larger than life and one of London Rd's most colourful and eccentric characters. The upshot is, he's a frequent target for getting beaten up.
Yet, for all his faults, he has a heart of gold and, in his own limited and awkward way, frequently tries to help others as unfortunate as himself. He can be as nutty and funny as he can be infuriating, adores animals, bares no ill will toward mankind, and in all, once you get to know him, its very hard to dislike him or stay angry with him for long. I admire him for his irrepressible spirit. No matter how many times he's knocked down, he staggers back up again and continues on his loud and breezy way.
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To say he's a challenge to anyone trying to work with him would be putting it mildly. Aside from drug and alcohol issues, he's also got long standing mental health problems that have been largely ignored and left untreated (the preferred method of 'treatment' by BHCC is prison, when by rights he should be living in a supported care environment under mental health services - It really is a disgraceful state of affairs.)

As Laurence (above) has pointed out he is under the most stringent ASBO conditions of anyone I've ever met on the street. The result over the last ten years is a never ending cycle of prison stints for breaching his ASBO, only for him to be thrown back out onto the street a few months later. Earlier this year he was recalled to prison for 3 months for 'walking on the wrong side of the road'.
In prison he was able to detox and 'clean up' (the waiting list for rehab outside of prison can take months and with service cut backs follow up care is woefully inadequate.) The act of sending him to prison meant he lost his room at the hostel he was staying at after months and months of sleeping rough last year. He also lost his benefits. When his 3 months were up, he was released back on the street and was once again forced to sleep rough. With no benefits to fall back on he naturally went back to begging (which was responsible for getting him the ASBO in the first place thus putting him at risk of breaching it once again.) It took a few weeks for services to swing back into action, and during that time, the combined stress of having to sleep rough and no money, together with the conditions of his ASBO restricting him to his usual haunts, he predictably relapsed and went straight back to drugs and alcohol to cope. It's the only coping mechanism he knows in a life I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy.

St Mary's has been a literal lifeline on all levels for the man in question. He's was fed and clothed, and most importantly, the time he spends with men like Fr Blake and Laurence is when he feels most human St Mary's is the one place he can go where the words and actions of people like Fr Blake and Laurence genuinely reflect the love of Christ. It's not just words.

True faith never comes easy, and loving anybody warts and can be challenging at the best of times - net alone, trying to love a fundamentally peace loving, but chaotic, needy man with some very complex problems. That it can be a struggle to 'love' such individuals is an honest reflection of Fr Blake's humanity, not hypocrisy like some blind commentators have accused him of. For that Fr Blake, and Christians like him should be applauded.
Archie Coates and Bill Gardener could learn much from a man like that.
I know the 'irritant' referred to in this article, and yes he can be extremely irritating and difficult 'to love' indeed. He's an exhibitionist, a wind up, and a terrible liar (he's celebrated 3 birthdays this year alone for instance. No doubt he'll have a 4th by the end of the year.) He's also larger than life and one of London Rd's most colourful and eccentric characters. The upshot is, he's a frequent target for getting beaten up. Yet, for all his faults, he has a heart of gold and, in his own limited and awkward way, frequently tries to help others as unfortunate as himself. He can be as nutty and funny as he can be infuriating, adores animals, bares no ill will toward mankind, and in all, once you get to know him, its very hard to dislike him or stay angry with him for long. I admire him for his irrepressible spirit. No matter how many times he's knocked down, he staggers back up again and continues on his loud and breezy way. . To say he's a challenge to anyone trying to work with him would be putting it mildly. Aside from drug and alcohol issues, he's also got long standing mental health problems that have been largely ignored and left untreated (the preferred method of 'treatment' by BHCC is prison, when by rights he should be living in a supported care environment under mental health services - It really is a disgraceful state of affairs.) As Laurence (above) has pointed out he is under the most stringent ASBO conditions of anyone I've ever met on the street. The result over the last ten years is a never ending cycle of prison stints for breaching his ASBO, only for him to be thrown back out onto the street a few months later. Earlier this year he was recalled to prison for 3 months for 'walking on the wrong side of the road'. In prison he was able to detox and 'clean up' (the waiting list for rehab outside of prison can take months and with service cut backs follow up care is woefully inadequate.) The act of sending him to prison meant he lost his room at the hostel he was staying at after months and months of sleeping rough last year. He also lost his benefits. When his 3 months were up, he was released back on the street and was once again forced to sleep rough. With no benefits to fall back on he naturally went back to begging (which was responsible for getting him the ASBO in the first place thus putting him at risk of breaching it once again.) It took a few weeks for services to swing back into action, and during that time, the combined stress of having to sleep rough and no money, together with the conditions of his ASBO restricting him to his usual haunts, he predictably relapsed and went straight back to drugs and alcohol to cope. It's the only coping mechanism he knows in a life I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. St Mary's has been a literal lifeline on all levels for the man in question. He's was fed and clothed, and most importantly, the time he spends with men like Fr Blake and Laurence is when he feels most human St Mary's is the one place he can go where the words and actions of people like Fr Blake and Laurence genuinely reflect the love of Christ. It's not just words. True faith never comes easy, and loving anybody warts and can be challenging at the best of times - net alone, trying to love a fundamentally peace loving, but chaotic, needy man with some very complex problems. That it can be a struggle to 'love' such individuals is an honest reflection of Fr Blake's humanity, not hypocrisy like some blind commentators have accused him of. For that Fr Blake, and Christians like him should be applauded. Archie Coates and Bill Gardener could learn much from a man like that. ARealBessie
  • Score: 43

12:58pm Sat 7 Sep 13

Cyril Bolleaux says...

Somethingsarejustwro
ng
wrote:
Cyril Bolleaux wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro


ng
wrote:
Kedge wrote:
Cheap shots, using distorted and emotive language, might get follow-ups in the national media and a congratulatory pint down the pub for an intrepid journalist after a hard day making a couple of phone calls, but the story is what's known in the trade as a "flam".
Tagging it "exclusive" is a bit of a con because the priest's blog post has already been widely read. - in its proper context.
As for a poster's pathetic criticism of him apparently wining and dining, not in a Michelin-star restaurant, but in a run-of-the-mill pub, (shock-horror) it's more than likely that Fr. Blake was being treated, since he relies on Sunday collections from a poor parish for his living - no stipend, no pension for him.
What little he has he gives away to those in need. Oh, yes. . . And he gives shelter to homeless asylum seekers. Dear, oh dear.
The question is how many bleeding-heart posters who are busy tearing into Fr. Blake take the biblical lesson of "go and do likewise"? When did you last search out and offer kindness to a drunk or a druggie, or is it only the deserving poor who merit concern ?
You are truly clueless

The church is apparently encouraging all things wrong and you, you waster are suggesting the same.

I hope you realise how stupid you are before its too late

Waster

Laughable
I warned you. You are are gutless creep and I am going to take action against you.
Hi Cyril

Far from gutless and believe me I give as good as I get especially against jumped up little hypocrites.

Not of course that I am suggesting you are one, however as you didn't address earlier points perhaps you can clarify

Again the point I made was in respect of your defence of and my suggestion that you may not be quite as defensive as you suggested. Additionally I asked you a question as you didn't address my earlier point

If you would like to meet up face to face - Yes Cyril that may require having a pair - then please let me have details

Laughable!
We will meet. In court. You think I'm mucking about. I'm not.
[quote][p][bold]Somethingsarejustwro ng[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyril Bolleaux[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Somethingsarejustwro ng[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kedge[/bold] wrote: Cheap shots, using distorted and emotive language, might get follow-ups in the national media and a congratulatory pint down the pub for an intrepid journalist after a hard day making a couple of phone calls, but the story is what's known in the trade as a "flam". Tagging it "exclusive" is a bit of a con because the priest's blog post has already been widely read. - in its proper context. As for a poster's pathetic criticism of him apparently wining and dining, not in a Michelin-star restaurant, but in a run-of-the-mill pub, (shock-horror) it's more than likely that Fr. Blake was being treated, since he relies on Sunday collections from a poor parish for his living - no stipend, no pension for him. What little he has he gives away to those in need. Oh, yes. . . And he gives shelter to homeless asylum seekers. Dear, oh dear. The question is how many bleeding-heart posters who are busy tearing into Fr. Blake take the biblical lesson of "go and do likewise"? When did you last search out and offer kindness to a drunk or a druggie, or is it only the deserving poor who merit concern ?[/p][/quote]You are truly clueless The church is apparently encouraging all things wrong and you, you waster are suggesting the same. I hope you realise how stupid you are before its too late Waster Laughable[/p][/quote]I warned you. You are are gutless creep and I am going to take action against you.[/p][/quote]Hi Cyril Far from gutless and believe me I give as good as I get especially against jumped up little hypocrites. Not of course that I am suggesting you are one, however as you didn't address earlier points perhaps you can clarify Again the point I made was in respect of your defence of and my suggestion that you may not be quite as defensive as you suggested. Additionally I asked you a question as you didn't address my earlier point If you would like to meet up face to face - Yes Cyril that may require having a pair - then please let me have details Laughable![/p][/quote]We will meet. In court. You think I'm mucking about. I'm not. Cyril Bolleaux
  • Score: 0

1:22pm Sat 7 Sep 13

IanW__ says...

Two negative articles in as many days on the same priest. Not very astute, Mr. Gardner: some might fear it suggests ulterior motive or fixation.
Two negative articles in as many days on the same priest. Not very astute, Mr. Gardner: some might fear it suggests ulterior motive or fixation. IanW__
  • Score: 29

1:26pm Sat 7 Sep 13

Somethingsarejustwrong says...

Cyril Bolleaux wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro

ng
wrote:
Cyril Bolleaux wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro



ng
wrote:
Kedge wrote:
Cheap shots, using distorted and emotive language, might get follow-ups in the national media and a congratulatory pint down the pub for an intrepid journalist after a hard day making a couple of phone calls, but the story is what's known in the trade as a "flam".
Tagging it "exclusive" is a bit of a con because the priest's blog post has already been widely read. - in its proper context.
As for a poster's pathetic criticism of him apparently wining and dining, not in a Michelin-star restaurant, but in a run-of-the-mill pub, (shock-horror) it's more than likely that Fr. Blake was being treated, since he relies on Sunday collections from a poor parish for his living - no stipend, no pension for him.
What little he has he gives away to those in need. Oh, yes. . . And he gives shelter to homeless asylum seekers. Dear, oh dear.
The question is how many bleeding-heart posters who are busy tearing into Fr. Blake take the biblical lesson of "go and do likewise"? When did you last search out and offer kindness to a drunk or a druggie, or is it only the deserving poor who merit concern ?
You are truly clueless

The church is apparently encouraging all things wrong and you, you waster are suggesting the same.

I hope you realise how stupid you are before its too late

Waster

Laughable
I warned you. You are are gutless creep and I am going to take action against you.
Hi Cyril

Far from gutless and believe me I give as good as I get especially against jumped up little hypocrites.

Not of course that I am suggesting you are one, however as you didn't address earlier points perhaps you can clarify

Again the point I made was in respect of your defence of and my suggestion that you may not be quite as defensive as you suggested. Additionally I asked you a question as you didn't address my earlier point

If you would like to meet up face to face - Yes Cyril that may require having a pair - then please let me have details

Laughable!
We will meet. In court. You think I'm mucking about. I'm not.
And what precisely will you be seeing me in court about?
[quote][p][bold]Cyril Bolleaux[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Somethingsarejustwro ng[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyril Bolleaux[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Somethingsarejustwro ng[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kedge[/bold] wrote: Cheap shots, using distorted and emotive language, might get follow-ups in the national media and a congratulatory pint down the pub for an intrepid journalist after a hard day making a couple of phone calls, but the story is what's known in the trade as a "flam". Tagging it "exclusive" is a bit of a con because the priest's blog post has already been widely read. - in its proper context. As for a poster's pathetic criticism of him apparently wining and dining, not in a Michelin-star restaurant, but in a run-of-the-mill pub, (shock-horror) it's more than likely that Fr. Blake was being treated, since he relies on Sunday collections from a poor parish for his living - no stipend, no pension for him. What little he has he gives away to those in need. Oh, yes. . . And he gives shelter to homeless asylum seekers. Dear, oh dear. The question is how many bleeding-heart posters who are busy tearing into Fr. Blake take the biblical lesson of "go and do likewise"? When did you last search out and offer kindness to a drunk or a druggie, or is it only the deserving poor who merit concern ?[/p][/quote]You are truly clueless The church is apparently encouraging all things wrong and you, you waster are suggesting the same. I hope you realise how stupid you are before its too late Waster Laughable[/p][/quote]I warned you. You are are gutless creep and I am going to take action against you.[/p][/quote]Hi Cyril Far from gutless and believe me I give as good as I get especially against jumped up little hypocrites. Not of course that I am suggesting you are one, however as you didn't address earlier points perhaps you can clarify Again the point I made was in respect of your defence of and my suggestion that you may not be quite as defensive as you suggested. Additionally I asked you a question as you didn't address my earlier point If you would like to meet up face to face - Yes Cyril that may require having a pair - then please let me have details Laughable![/p][/quote]We will meet. In court. You think I'm mucking about. I'm not.[/p][/quote]And what precisely will you be seeing me in court about? Somethingsarejustwrong
  • Score: 0

2:13pm Sat 7 Sep 13

Somethingsarejustwrong says...

Somethingsarejustwro
ng
wrote:
Cyril Bolleaux wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro


ng
wrote:
Cyril Bolleaux wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro




ng
wrote:
Kedge wrote:
Cheap shots, using distorted and emotive language, might get follow-ups in the national media and a congratulatory pint down the pub for an intrepid journalist after a hard day making a couple of phone calls, but the story is what's known in the trade as a "flam".
Tagging it "exclusive" is a bit of a con because the priest's blog post has already been widely read. - in its proper context.
As for a poster's pathetic criticism of him apparently wining and dining, not in a Michelin-star restaurant, but in a run-of-the-mill pub, (shock-horror) it's more than likely that Fr. Blake was being treated, since he relies on Sunday collections from a poor parish for his living - no stipend, no pension for him.
What little he has he gives away to those in need. Oh, yes. . . And he gives shelter to homeless asylum seekers. Dear, oh dear.
The question is how many bleeding-heart posters who are busy tearing into Fr. Blake take the biblical lesson of "go and do likewise"? When did you last search out and offer kindness to a drunk or a druggie, or is it only the deserving poor who merit concern ?
You are truly clueless

The church is apparently encouraging all things wrong and you, you waster are suggesting the same.

I hope you realise how stupid you are before its too late

Waster

Laughable
I warned you. You are are gutless creep and I am going to take action against you.
Hi Cyril

Far from gutless and believe me I give as good as I get especially against jumped up little hypocrites.

Not of course that I am suggesting you are one, however as you didn't address earlier points perhaps you can clarify

Again the point I made was in respect of your defence of and my suggestion that you may not be quite as defensive as you suggested. Additionally I asked you a question as you didn't address my earlier point

If you would like to meet up face to face - Yes Cyril that may require having a pair - then please let me have details

Laughable!
We will meet. In court. You think I'm mucking about. I'm not.
And what precisely will you be seeing me in court about?
Whilst I was awaiting your response I decided to google your pen name hoping to better understand why your comments are as they are

I wasn't disappointed and now have serious concerns based on what I have read; the majority of these are I imagine freely available to all and you may wish to take a read yourself as memories can be short. In doing so i noticed a pen name of Amboguy is in many, do you have an issue with that pen name as well ?
[quote][p][bold]Somethingsarejustwro ng[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyril Bolleaux[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Somethingsarejustwro ng[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyril Bolleaux[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Somethingsarejustwro ng[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kedge[/bold] wrote: Cheap shots, using distorted and emotive language, might get follow-ups in the national media and a congratulatory pint down the pub for an intrepid journalist after a hard day making a couple of phone calls, but the story is what's known in the trade as a "flam". Tagging it "exclusive" is a bit of a con because the priest's blog post has already been widely read. - in its proper context. As for a poster's pathetic criticism of him apparently wining and dining, not in a Michelin-star restaurant, but in a run-of-the-mill pub, (shock-horror) it's more than likely that Fr. Blake was being treated, since he relies on Sunday collections from a poor parish for his living - no stipend, no pension for him. What little he has he gives away to those in need. Oh, yes. . . And he gives shelter to homeless asylum seekers. Dear, oh dear. The question is how many bleeding-heart posters who are busy tearing into Fr. Blake take the biblical lesson of "go and do likewise"? When did you last search out and offer kindness to a drunk or a druggie, or is it only the deserving poor who merit concern ?[/p][/quote]You are truly clueless The church is apparently encouraging all things wrong and you, you waster are suggesting the same. I hope you realise how stupid you are before its too late Waster Laughable[/p][/quote]I warned you. You are are gutless creep and I am going to take action against you.[/p][/quote]Hi Cyril Far from gutless and believe me I give as good as I get especially against jumped up little hypocrites. Not of course that I am suggesting you are one, however as you didn't address earlier points perhaps you can clarify Again the point I made was in respect of your defence of and my suggestion that you may not be quite as defensive as you suggested. Additionally I asked you a question as you didn't address my earlier point If you would like to meet up face to face - Yes Cyril that may require having a pair - then please let me have details Laughable![/p][/quote]We will meet. In court. You think I'm mucking about. I'm not.[/p][/quote]And what precisely will you be seeing me in court about?[/p][/quote]Whilst I was awaiting your response I decided to google your pen name hoping to better understand why your comments are as they are I wasn't disappointed and now have serious concerns based on what I have read; the majority of these are I imagine freely available to all and you may wish to take a read yourself as memories can be short. In doing so i noticed a pen name of Amboguy is in many, do you have an issue with that pen name as well ? Somethingsarejustwrong
  • Score: -2

2:56pm Sat 7 Sep 13

Somethingsarejustwrong says...

Somethingsarejustwro
ng
wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro

ng
wrote:
Cyril Bolleaux wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro



ng
wrote:
Cyril Bolleaux wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro





ng
wrote:
Kedge wrote:
Cheap shots, using distorted and emotive language, might get follow-ups in the national media and a congratulatory pint down the pub for an intrepid journalist after a hard day making a couple of phone calls, but the story is what's known in the trade as a "flam".
Tagging it "exclusive" is a bit of a con because the priest's blog post has already been widely read. - in its proper context.
As for a poster's pathetic criticism of him apparently wining and dining, not in a Michelin-star restaurant, but in a run-of-the-mill pub, (shock-horror) it's more than likely that Fr. Blake was being treated, since he relies on Sunday collections from a poor parish for his living - no stipend, no pension for him.
What little he has he gives away to those in need. Oh, yes. . . And he gives shelter to homeless asylum seekers. Dear, oh dear.
The question is how many bleeding-heart posters who are busy tearing into Fr. Blake take the biblical lesson of "go and do likewise"? When did you last search out and offer kindness to a drunk or a druggie, or is it only the deserving poor who merit concern ?
You are truly clueless

The church is apparently encouraging all things wrong and you, you waster are suggesting the same.

I hope you realise how stupid you are before its too late

Waster

Laughable
I warned you. You are are gutless creep and I am going to take action against you.
Hi Cyril

Far from gutless and believe me I give as good as I get especially against jumped up little hypocrites.

Not of course that I am suggesting you are one, however as you didn't address earlier points perhaps you can clarify

Again the point I made was in respect of your defence of and my suggestion that you may not be quite as defensive as you suggested. Additionally I asked you a question as you didn't address my earlier point

If you would like to meet up face to face - Yes Cyril that may require having a pair - then please let me have details

Laughable!
We will meet. In court. You think I'm mucking about. I'm not.
And what precisely will you be seeing me in court about?
Whilst I was awaiting your response I decided to google your pen name hoping to better understand why your comments are as they are

I wasn't disappointed and now have serious concerns based on what I have read; the majority of these are I imagine freely available to all and you may wish to take a read yourself as memories can be short. In doing so i noticed a pen name of Amboguy is in many, do you have an issue with that pen name as well ?
I think this has turned into a complete load of Bo@@ocks
[quote][p][bold]Somethingsarejustwro ng[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Somethingsarejustwro ng[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyril Bolleaux[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Somethingsarejustwro ng[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyril Bolleaux[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Somethingsarejustwro ng[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kedge[/bold] wrote: Cheap shots, using distorted and emotive language, might get follow-ups in the national media and a congratulatory pint down the pub for an intrepid journalist after a hard day making a couple of phone calls, but the story is what's known in the trade as a "flam". Tagging it "exclusive" is a bit of a con because the priest's blog post has already been widely read. - in its proper context. As for a poster's pathetic criticism of him apparently wining and dining, not in a Michelin-star restaurant, but in a run-of-the-mill pub, (shock-horror) it's more than likely that Fr. Blake was being treated, since he relies on Sunday collections from a poor parish for his living - no stipend, no pension for him. What little he has he gives away to those in need. Oh, yes. . . And he gives shelter to homeless asylum seekers. Dear, oh dear. The question is how many bleeding-heart posters who are busy tearing into Fr. Blake take the biblical lesson of "go and do likewise"? When did you last search out and offer kindness to a drunk or a druggie, or is it only the deserving poor who merit concern ?[/p][/quote]You are truly clueless The church is apparently encouraging all things wrong and you, you waster are suggesting the same. I hope you realise how stupid you are before its too late Waster Laughable[/p][/quote]I warned you. You are are gutless creep and I am going to take action against you.[/p][/quote]Hi Cyril Far from gutless and believe me I give as good as I get especially against jumped up little hypocrites. Not of course that I am suggesting you are one, however as you didn't address earlier points perhaps you can clarify Again the point I made was in respect of your defence of and my suggestion that you may not be quite as defensive as you suggested. Additionally I asked you a question as you didn't address my earlier point If you would like to meet up face to face - Yes Cyril that may require having a pair - then please let me have details Laughable![/p][/quote]We will meet. In court. You think I'm mucking about. I'm not.[/p][/quote]And what precisely will you be seeing me in court about?[/p][/quote]Whilst I was awaiting your response I decided to google your pen name hoping to better understand why your comments are as they are I wasn't disappointed and now have serious concerns based on what I have read; the majority of these are I imagine freely available to all and you may wish to take a read yourself as memories can be short. In doing so i noticed a pen name of Amboguy is in many, do you have an issue with that pen name as well ?[/p][/quote]I think this has turned into a complete load of Bo@@ocks Somethingsarejustwrong
  • Score: 0

3:08pm Sat 7 Sep 13

Laurence England says...

http://thatthebonesy
ouhavecrushedmaythri
ll.blogspot.co.uk/20
13/09/unlike-local-a
uthority-at-st-mary.
html

Read and watch this, exclusive interview with the irritating individual concerned in this vile piece of shoddy journalism undertaken by Bill Gardner, which has trashed the reputation of a good and holy priest.

Shame on you, Mr Gardner!
http://thatthebonesy ouhavecrushedmaythri ll.blogspot.co.uk/20 13/09/unlike-local-a uthority-at-st-mary. html Read and watch this, exclusive interview with the irritating individual concerned in this vile piece of shoddy journalism undertaken by Bill Gardner, which has trashed the reputation of a good and holy priest. Shame on you, Mr Gardner! Laurence England
  • Score: 28

4:16pm Sat 7 Sep 13

Somethingsarejustwrong says...

Laurence England wrote:
http://thatthebonesy

ouhavecrushedmaythri

ll.blogspot.co.uk/20

13/09/unlike-local-a

uthority-at-st-mary.

html

Read and watch this, exclusive interview with the irritating individual concerned in this vile piece of shoddy journalism undertaken by Bill Gardner, which has trashed the reputation of a good and holy priest.

Shame on you, Mr Gardner!
No one in their right mind gives a toss about this person. I suspect in the USA the 3 strikes and you are out would have rid us of him

What are your thoughts Cyril? Oh Bolleaux!
[quote][p][bold]Laurence England[/bold] wrote: http://thatthebonesy ouhavecrushedmaythri ll.blogspot.co.uk/20 13/09/unlike-local-a uthority-at-st-mary. html Read and watch this, exclusive interview with the irritating individual concerned in this vile piece of shoddy journalism undertaken by Bill Gardner, which has trashed the reputation of a good and holy priest. Shame on you, Mr Gardner![/p][/quote]No one in their right mind gives a toss about this person. I suspect in the USA the 3 strikes and you are out would have rid us of him What are your thoughts Cyril? Oh Bolleaux! Somethingsarejustwrong
  • Score: -14

7:20pm Sat 7 Sep 13

Bob_The_Ferret says...

Somethingsarejustwro
ng
wrote:
Laurence England wrote:
http://thatthebonesy


ouhavecrushedmaythri


ll.blogspot.co.uk/20


13/09/unlike-local-a


uthority-at-st-mary.


html

Read and watch this, exclusive interview with the irritating individual concerned in this vile piece of shoddy journalism undertaken by Bill Gardner, which has trashed the reputation of a good and holy priest.

Shame on you, Mr Gardner!
No one in their right mind gives a toss about this person. I suspect in the USA the 3 strikes and you are out would have rid us of him

What are your thoughts Cyril? Oh Bolleaux!
People should give a toss about him, and the many others out there in a similar mess who have no-one looking out for them, however hard or irritating it is to do so. Locking him up may well give him food and shelter, and keep him out of your sight, but it does not help him in the long term, and probably costs more than direct charitable help.
[quote][p][bold]Somethingsarejustwro ng[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Laurence England[/bold] wrote: http://thatthebonesy ouhavecrushedmaythri ll.blogspot.co.uk/20 13/09/unlike-local-a uthority-at-st-mary. html Read and watch this, exclusive interview with the irritating individual concerned in this vile piece of shoddy journalism undertaken by Bill Gardner, which has trashed the reputation of a good and holy priest. Shame on you, Mr Gardner![/p][/quote]No one in their right mind gives a toss about this person. I suspect in the USA the 3 strikes and you are out would have rid us of him What are your thoughts Cyril? Oh Bolleaux![/p][/quote]People should give a toss about him, and the many others out there in a similar mess who have no-one looking out for them, however hard or irritating it is to do so. Locking him up may well give him food and shelter, and keep him out of your sight, but it does not help him in the long term, and probably costs more than direct charitable help. Bob_The_Ferret
  • Score: 15

7:32pm Sat 7 Sep 13

Somethingsarejustwrong says...

Bob_The_Ferret wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro

ng
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Laurence England wrote:
http://thatthebonesy



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Read and watch this, exclusive interview with the irritating individual concerned in this vile piece of shoddy journalism undertaken by Bill Gardner, which has trashed the reputation of a good and holy priest.

Shame on you, Mr Gardner!
No one in their right mind gives a toss about this person. I suspect in the USA the 3 strikes and you are out would have rid us of him

What are your thoughts Cyril? Oh Bolleaux!
People should give a toss about him, and the many others out there in a similar mess who have no-one looking out for them, however hard or irritating it is to do so. Locking him up may well give him food and shelter, and keep him out of your sight, but it does not help him in the long term, and probably costs more than direct charitable help.
Having a bunch of well meaning, untrained do-gooders dipping in and out for their own gratification is not the solution. The government and councils need to create policy and support for these people that is funded and administered professionally to guarantee consistency and sustainability

Instead locally the greens are climbing trees and encouraging travellers etc

Laughable
[quote][p][bold]Bob_The_Ferret[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Somethingsarejustwro ng[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Laurence England[/bold] wrote: http://thatthebonesy ouhavecrushedmaythri ll.blogspot.co.uk/20 13/09/unlike-local-a uthority-at-st-mary. html Read and watch this, exclusive interview with the irritating individual concerned in this vile piece of shoddy journalism undertaken by Bill Gardner, which has trashed the reputation of a good and holy priest. Shame on you, Mr Gardner![/p][/quote]No one in their right mind gives a toss about this person. I suspect in the USA the 3 strikes and you are out would have rid us of him What are your thoughts Cyril? Oh Bolleaux![/p][/quote]People should give a toss about him, and the many others out there in a similar mess who have no-one looking out for them, however hard or irritating it is to do so. Locking him up may well give him food and shelter, and keep him out of your sight, but it does not help him in the long term, and probably costs more than direct charitable help.[/p][/quote]Having a bunch of well meaning, untrained do-gooders dipping in and out for their own gratification is not the solution. The government and councils need to create policy and support for these people that is funded and administered professionally to guarantee consistency and sustainability Instead locally the greens are climbing trees and encouraging travellers etc Laughable Somethingsarejustwrong
  • Score: -9

9:00pm Sat 7 Sep 13

henry.bn says...

Somethingsarejustwro
ng
wrote:
henry.bn wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro


ng
wrote:
I think the journalism has started to surface the real story and well done to the Argus on this

I have friends who have recently bought a property close by to the drug den spending well in excess of £1m believing the area to be safe for their children

They say the church acts as a magnet for all the wrong sorts and would love to see it closed, demolished and turned into residential housing

This vicar should stick to preaching and leave sociall and prison services to deal with the miscreant congregation. Unbelievable and unacceptable
The church is no more of a drug den than many other places in the rest of Brighton. It was not long ago that Brighton was reported as being the heroin death capital of Britain. Nasty place these days, not what it was in the 1970s, that's for sure. Your wealthy friends should have done their research first. But if that is their attitude they could well find their children becoming drawn to drugs whereever they lived. Drugs are available everywhere.
My friends are not wealthy and shouldn't need to research the goings on in a local church before buying property. Are you really so stupid?
Your friends should have done their research on the whole town. It has been a centre of all sorts of unpleasantness for the past 20 years. There is a day centre further along the road where the same kind of people gather but really they are all over the city centre.

If they find it so offensive and dangerous they should take the advantage of the fact that it is still a property hot spot, take the money and go somewhere they perceive as safer. But with attitudes like theirs they should keep an eye on their children because they could easily go down the same route. That is where many of these troublesome poor have come from - it is surprising how many of them have good accents.
[quote][p][bold]Somethingsarejustwro ng[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]henry.bn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Somethingsarejustwro ng[/bold] wrote: I think the journalism has started to surface the real story and well done to the Argus on this I have friends who have recently bought a property close by to the drug den spending well in excess of £1m believing the area to be safe for their children They say the church acts as a magnet for all the wrong sorts and would love to see it closed, demolished and turned into residential housing This vicar should stick to preaching and leave sociall and prison services to deal with the miscreant congregation. Unbelievable and unacceptable[/p][/quote]The church is no more of a drug den than many other places in the rest of Brighton. It was not long ago that Brighton was reported as being the heroin death capital of Britain. Nasty place these days, not what it was in the 1970s, that's for sure. Your wealthy friends should have done their research first. But if that is their attitude they could well find their children becoming drawn to drugs whereever they lived. Drugs are available everywhere.[/p][/quote]My friends are not wealthy and shouldn't need to research the goings on in a local church before buying property. Are you really so stupid?[/p][/quote]Your friends should have done their research on the whole town. It has been a centre of all sorts of unpleasantness for the past 20 years. There is a day centre further along the road where the same kind of people gather but really they are all over the city centre. If they find it so offensive and dangerous they should take the advantage of the fact that it is still a property hot spot, take the money and go somewhere they perceive as safer. But with attitudes like theirs they should keep an eye on their children because they could easily go down the same route. That is where many of these troublesome poor have come from - it is surprising how many of them have good accents. henry.bn
  • Score: 7

9:55pm Sat 7 Sep 13

Sue De Nimes says...

Somethingsarejustwro
ng
wrote:
Laurence England wrote:
http://thatthebonesy


ouhavecrushedmaythri


ll.blogspot.co.uk/20


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Read and watch this, exclusive interview with the irritating individual concerned in this vile piece of shoddy journalism undertaken by Bill Gardner, which has trashed the reputation of a good and holy priest.

Shame on you, Mr Gardner!
No one in their right mind gives a toss about this person. I suspect in the USA the 3 strikes and you are out would have rid us of him

What are your thoughts Cyril? Oh Bolleaux!
I think you will find plenty of people give a toss about this person.
[quote][p][bold]Somethingsarejustwro ng[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Laurence England[/bold] wrote: http://thatthebonesy ouhavecrushedmaythri ll.blogspot.co.uk/20 13/09/unlike-local-a uthority-at-st-mary. html Read and watch this, exclusive interview with the irritating individual concerned in this vile piece of shoddy journalism undertaken by Bill Gardner, which has trashed the reputation of a good and holy priest. Shame on you, Mr Gardner![/p][/quote]No one in their right mind gives a toss about this person. I suspect in the USA the 3 strikes and you are out would have rid us of him What are your thoughts Cyril? Oh Bolleaux![/p][/quote]I think you will find plenty of people give a toss about this person. Sue De Nimes
  • Score: 13

6:53am Sun 8 Sep 13

Somethingsarejustwrong says...

Sue De Nimes wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro

ng
wrote:
Laurence England wrote:
http://thatthebonesy



ouhavecrushedmaythri



ll.blogspot.co.uk/20



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Read and watch this, exclusive interview with the irritating individual concerned in this vile piece of shoddy journalism undertaken by Bill Gardner, which has trashed the reputation of a good and holy priest.

Shame on you, Mr Gardner!
No one in their right mind gives a toss about this person. I suspect in the USA the 3 strikes and you are out would have rid us of him

What are your thoughts Cyril? Oh Bolleaux!
I think you will find plenty of people give a toss about this person.
Perhaps they can take him under their control
[quote][p][bold]Sue De Nimes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Somethingsarejustwro ng[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Laurence England[/bold] wrote: http://thatthebonesy ouhavecrushedmaythri ll.blogspot.co.uk/20 13/09/unlike-local-a uthority-at-st-mary. html Read and watch this, exclusive interview with the irritating individual concerned in this vile piece of shoddy journalism undertaken by Bill Gardner, which has trashed the reputation of a good and holy priest. Shame on you, Mr Gardner![/p][/quote]No one in their right mind gives a toss about this person. I suspect in the USA the 3 strikes and you are out would have rid us of him What are your thoughts Cyril? Oh Bolleaux![/p][/quote]I think you will find plenty of people give a toss about this person.[/p][/quote]Perhaps they can take him under their control Somethingsarejustwrong
  • Score: -6

8:20am Sun 8 Sep 13

hoveguyactually says...

At last! A bit of common sense from the church. Well said, Father Ray. I am so fed up with walking around town being intimidated by filthy drunks. Thank good there is one sensible priest standing up to the feeble-minded clergy whose libertarian attitude just encourages such bad behaviour.
At last! A bit of common sense from the church. Well said, Father Ray. I am so fed up with walking around town being intimidated by filthy drunks. Thank good there is one sensible priest standing up to the feeble-minded clergy whose libertarian attitude just encourages such bad behaviour. hoveguyactually
  • Score: 0

9:32am Sun 8 Sep 13

Carlops says...

Mr. Gardner, I have just found Fr. Blake's blog and read the article you mention. Not only have you twisted his words in an unbelievable fashion, you have actually made up statements. This is not real journalism and what you have done is shameful.

@hoveguyactually - Having read this priest's blog entry as well as his responses to the comments, it is clear that he would very much disagree with your views.
Mr. Gardner, I have just found Fr. Blake's blog and read the article you mention. Not only have you twisted his words in an unbelievable fashion, you have actually made up statements. This is not real journalism and what you have done is shameful. @hoveguyactually - Having read this priest's blog entry as well as his responses to the comments, it is clear that he would very much disagree with your views. Carlops
  • Score: 33

3:09pm Sun 8 Sep 13

gemoftheocean says...

Sue De Nimes wrote:
Why does the article not include a link to the blog post it is reporting on?
Because the author of the hit piece knew good and well if people actually read it, they'd know the author was full of crap and had an "agenda."
[quote][p][bold]Sue De Nimes[/bold] wrote: Why does the article not include a link to the blog post it is reporting on?[/p][/quote]Because the author of the hit piece knew good and well if people actually read it, they'd know the author was full of crap and had an "agenda." gemoftheocean
  • Score: 27

3:11pm Sun 8 Sep 13

kansasteddybear says...

I read the priest's blog entry and he sounds like one of those angry, narrow minded, self righteous men who should never have been ordained a priest or have any contact with society at large. It is clergy like him who have made religion a laughing stock and who encourage people to question religion and give it up. I know it was priests (not to mention bishops, cardinals and popes) like him who made me begin to question my faith, my priesthood and give up both. I'm much happier as an atheist than I ever was as a Catholic or a priest.
I read the priest's blog entry and he sounds like one of those angry, narrow minded, self righteous men who should never have been ordained a priest or have any contact with society at large. It is clergy like him who have made religion a laughing stock and who encourage people to question religion and give it up. I know it was priests (not to mention bishops, cardinals and popes) like him who made me begin to question my faith, my priesthood and give up both. I'm much happier as an atheist than I ever was as a Catholic or a priest. kansasteddybear
  • Score: -33

3:11pm Sun 8 Sep 13

gemoftheocean says...

mimseycal wrote:
Testing his holiness? Ye gawds ... talk about an inflated ego!
No, talk about a lying yellow journalist. He made that statement up out of whole cloth. He should be sued, as this rag of a paper should be sued as well for carrying this slanderous article. Guess it never occured to you to seek out the original blog post.
[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: Testing his holiness? Ye gawds ... talk about an inflated ego![/p][/quote]No, talk about a lying yellow journalist. He made that statement up out of whole cloth. He should be sued, as this rag of a paper should be sued as well for carrying this slanderous article. Guess it never occured to you to seek out the original blog post. gemoftheocean
  • Score: 22

7:46am Mon 9 Sep 13

The Finn says...

It is the holy wars of the "unlike button". Seems that every post which critizises religion has their unlike button hammered...

Is this a fluke? Or is it something else? God works in mysterious ways?
It is the holy wars of the "unlike button". Seems that every post which critizises religion has their unlike button hammered... Is this a fluke? Or is it something else? God works in mysterious ways? The Finn
  • Score: -12

10:05am Mon 9 Sep 13

lillylou says...

sounds like the only reason hes a priest is for the free house he should be sacked than he will too be homeless
sounds like the only reason hes a priest is for the free house he should be sacked than he will too be homeless lillylou
  • Score: -20

10:20am Mon 9 Sep 13

ARealBessie says...

lillylou wrote:
sounds like the only reason hes a priest is for the free house he should be sacked than he will too be homeless
What have we here? Another proverbial smart @rse, trying to sound clever? Lillylou, before you embarrass yourself even further you might do well to read past the article and first few comments before adding any more of your own.
[quote][p][bold]lillylou[/bold] wrote: sounds like the only reason hes a priest is for the free house he should be sacked than he will too be homeless[/p][/quote]What have we here? Another proverbial smart @rse, trying to sound clever? Lillylou, before you embarrass yourself even further you might do well to read past the article and first few comments before adding any more of your own. ARealBessie
  • Score: 13

10:43am Mon 9 Sep 13

Sue De Nimes says...

The Finn wrote:
It is the holy wars of the "unlike button". Seems that every post which critizises religion has their unlike button hammered...

Is this a fluke? Or is it something else? God works in mysterious ways?
I think any post that makes a juvenile comment about religion has been down-voted.

I haven't seen any intelligent criticism.

Calling religion a mental illness isn't criticism, it just means the person making that comment is an idiot.
[quote][p][bold]The Finn[/bold] wrote: It is the holy wars of the "unlike button". Seems that every post which critizises religion has their unlike button hammered... Is this a fluke? Or is it something else? God works in mysterious ways?[/p][/quote]I think any post that makes a juvenile comment about religion has been down-voted. I haven't seen any intelligent criticism. Calling religion a mental illness isn't criticism, it just means the person making that comment is an idiot. Sue De Nimes
  • Score: 20

12:04pm Mon 9 Sep 13

Laurence England says...

Footage of Jason explaining why he was thrown out of St Bartholomew's Church, Brighton.

http://thatthebonesy
ouhavecrushedmaythri
ll.blogspot.co.uk/20
13/09/if-this-man-is
-not-irritating-then
-why.html

Read it and weep, Bill Gardner!
Footage of Jason explaining why he was thrown out of St Bartholomew's Church, Brighton. http://thatthebonesy ouhavecrushedmaythri ll.blogspot.co.uk/20 13/09/if-this-man-is -not-irritating-then -why.html Read it and weep, Bill Gardner! Laurence England
  • Score: 17

12:16pm Mon 9 Sep 13

Vanessa Coutts says...

Gardner's article is offensive to those of us who know and understand God's kingdom. Nobody would dare offend the Muslims and Jews in print, but Catholic bashing is oh so fashionable nowadays, especially in B&H, that great bastion of charity and equality. I am amazed that the sub-eds at The Argus allowed such a slanderous, inaccurate and staggeringly shallow, misguided piece which has distressed many people. Boo, Argus.
Gardner's article is offensive to those of us who know and understand God's kingdom. Nobody would dare offend the Muslims and Jews in print, but Catholic bashing is oh so fashionable nowadays, especially in B&H, that great bastion of charity and equality. I am amazed that the sub-eds at The Argus allowed such a slanderous, inaccurate and staggeringly shallow, misguided piece which has distressed many people. Boo, Argus. Vanessa Coutts
  • Score: 22

12:17pm Mon 9 Sep 13

ARealBessie says...

Laurence England wrote:
Footage of Jason explaining why he was thrown out of St Bartholomew's Church, Brighton.

http://thatthebonesy

ouhavecrushedmaythri

ll.blogspot.co.uk/20

13/09/if-this-man-is

-not-irritating-then

-why.html

Read it and weep, Bill Gardner!
Hi Laurence
Think there might be something wrong with the link you've posted. I've copied and pasted it a few times and it just keeps taking me back to this article rather than the actual blog post. Is there another link or footage from Youtube or something?
[quote][p][bold]Laurence England[/bold] wrote: Footage of Jason explaining why he was thrown out of St Bartholomew's Church, Brighton. http://thatthebonesy ouhavecrushedmaythri ll.blogspot.co.uk/20 13/09/if-this-man-is -not-irritating-then -why.html Read it and weep, Bill Gardner![/p][/quote]Hi Laurence Think there might be something wrong with the link you've posted. I've copied and pasted it a few times and it just keeps taking me back to this article rather than the actual blog post. Is there another link or footage from Youtube or something? ARealBessie
  • Score: 0

12:21pm Mon 9 Sep 13

gemoftheocean says...

s&k wrote:
The milk of human kindness runneth dry.
No, S&K, you have been a gullible taken in by a rotten excuse for a "journalist" who didn't have the GUTS to post a link to Fr. Blake's post. Gardner has the agenda of trying to shut Father Blake up. Father Blake does more inside a week for the poor and dispossessed than Billy Gardner will do in a lifetime. When Gardner runs a soup kitchen 365 days a year for some years, when Gardner turns over part of his own home to help refugees who are without benefits and threatened to be kicked back to their home countries where they may be persecuted or facing prison, jail, or torture or worse by the lovely and gracious Teresa May and her minions, and when Gardner visits the elderly, sick, and AIDS sufferers, and buries the dead,and stops LYING then he can open his pie hole. Until then he should shut up, and pray to God the Press Complaints Commission does not take him for everything he owns, including presumably his birth certificate, assuming for the moment he was not whelped by jackals.

Hang your head in shame -- Father Blake is one of the kindest most caring men in the city - THIS is what he wrote that Gardner was too much of a coward to link to. Note some whole cloth fabrications of Gardner "quotes" too, because they simply aren't' there.

http://marymagdalen.
blogspot.co.uk/2013/
08/the-trouble-with-
poor.html
[quote][p][bold]s&k[/bold] wrote: The milk of human kindness runneth dry.[/p][/quote]No, S&K, you have been a gullible taken in by a rotten excuse for a "journalist" who didn't have the GUTS to post a link to Fr. Blake's post. Gardner has the agenda of trying to shut Father Blake up. Father Blake does more inside a week for the poor and dispossessed than Billy Gardner will do in a lifetime. When Gardner runs a soup kitchen 365 days a year for some years, when Gardner turns over part of his own home to help refugees who are without benefits and threatened to be kicked back to their home countries where they may be persecuted or facing prison, jail, or torture or worse by the lovely and gracious Teresa May and her minions, and when Gardner visits the elderly, sick, and AIDS sufferers, and buries the dead,and stops LYING then he can open his pie hole. Until then he should shut up, and pray to God the Press Complaints Commission does not take him for everything he owns, including presumably his birth certificate, assuming for the moment he was not whelped by jackals. Hang your head in shame -- Father Blake is one of the kindest most caring men in the city - THIS is what he wrote that Gardner was too much of a coward to link to. Note some whole cloth fabrications of Gardner "quotes" too, because they simply aren't' there. http://marymagdalen. blogspot.co.uk/2013/ 08/the-trouble-with- poor.html gemoftheocean
  • Score: 21

12:32pm Mon 9 Sep 13

gemoftheocean says...

ARealBessie wrote:
Laurence England wrote:
Footage of Jason explaining why he was thrown out of St Bartholomew's Church, Brighton.

http://thatthebonesy


ouhavecrushedmaythri


ll.blogspot.co.uk/20


13/09/if-this-man-is


-not-irritating-then


-why.html

Read it and weep, Bill Gardner!
Hi Laurence
Think there might be something wrong with the link you've posted. I've copied and pasted it a few times and it just keeps taking me back to this article rather than the actual blog post. Is there another link or footage from Youtube or something?
Try this one -- I note that in the link you posted back there are two spaces, try Laurence's link without those spaces, and also see this one. At the end Jason gives his opinion of the Argus for slagging on Fr. Blake.

http://thatthebonesy
ouhavecrushedmaythri
ll.blogspot.co.uk/20
13/09/unlike-local-a
uthority-at-st-mary.
html
[quote][p][bold]ARealBessie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Laurence England[/bold] wrote: Footage of Jason explaining why he was thrown out of St Bartholomew's Church, Brighton. http://thatthebonesy ouhavecrushedmaythri ll.blogspot.co.uk/20 13/09/if-this-man-is -not-irritating-then -why.html Read it and weep, Bill Gardner![/p][/quote]Hi Laurence Think there might be something wrong with the link you've posted. I've copied and pasted it a few times and it just keeps taking me back to this article rather than the actual blog post. Is there another link or footage from Youtube or something?[/p][/quote]Try this one -- I note that in the link you posted back there are two spaces, try Laurence's link without those spaces, and also see this one. At the end Jason gives his opinion of the Argus for slagging on Fr. Blake. http://thatthebonesy ouhavecrushedmaythri ll.blogspot.co.uk/20 13/09/unlike-local-a uthority-at-st-mary. html gemoftheocean
  • Score: 10

12:55pm Mon 9 Sep 13

gemoftheocean says...

The Prophet of Doom wrote:
And religion is a mental illness.
And you are another sucker taken in by the no-talent, no-guts Gardner, who didn't have the courage to post a link to the original blog post of Fr. Blake.

Gardner made up quotes out of whole cloth, and twisted the post to suit his own and his editor's culture of death agenda.

Father Blake has done more for the poor and dispossessed in Brighton than Gardner will ever do in his lifetime. "Prophet" - do you run a 365 day a year soup kitchen? Then shut your pie hole.

Have the guts yourself to read Fr. Blake's post -- you owe him an apology.

http://marymagdalen.
blogspot.co.uk/2013/
08/the-trouble-with-
poor.html
[quote][p][bold]The Prophet of Doom[/bold] wrote: And religion is a mental illness.[/p][/quote]And you are another sucker taken in by the no-talent, no-guts Gardner, who didn't have the courage to post a link to the original blog post of Fr. Blake. Gardner made up quotes out of whole cloth, and twisted the post to suit his own and his editor's culture of death agenda. Father Blake has done more for the poor and dispossessed in Brighton than Gardner will ever do in his lifetime. "Prophet" - do you run a 365 day a year soup kitchen? Then shut your pie hole. Have the guts yourself to read Fr. Blake's post -- you owe him an apology. http://marymagdalen. blogspot.co.uk/2013/ 08/the-trouble-with- poor.html gemoftheocean
  • Score: 17

12:58pm Mon 9 Sep 13

gemoftheocean says...

Justin wrote:
Religious bigots are much more irritating than the poor! Ironic that a priest condemns the poor when his church make so many people poorer by denying them birth control.
Have you run a 365 days a year soup kitchen? Father Blake does. When you do as much as Father Blake does for the poor, then you can open your pie hole.

Have the GUTS to read the original article yourself. And HANG YOUR HEAD IN SHAME. You Owe Fr. Blake an apology.

http://marymagdalen.
blogspot.co.uk/2013/
08/the-trouble-with-
poor.html
[quote][p][bold]Justin[/bold] wrote: Religious bigots are much more irritating than the poor! Ironic that a priest condemns the poor when his church make so many people poorer by denying them birth control.[/p][/quote]Have you run a 365 days a year soup kitchen? Father Blake does. When you do as much as Father Blake does for the poor, then you can open your pie hole. Have the GUTS to read the original article yourself. And HANG YOUR HEAD IN SHAME. You Owe Fr. Blake an apology. http://marymagdalen. blogspot.co.uk/2013/ 08/the-trouble-with- poor.html gemoftheocean
  • Score: 16

1:32pm Mon 9 Sep 13

Laurence England says...

http://thatthebonesy
ouhavecrushedmaythri
ll.blogspot.co.uk/20
13/09/if-this-man-is
-not-irritating-then
-why.html
http://thatthebonesy ouhavecrushedmaythri ll.blogspot.co.uk/20 13/09/if-this-man-is -not-irritating-then -why.html Laurence England
  • Score: 11

9:07pm Mon 9 Sep 13

Somethingsarejustwrong says...

henry.bn wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro

ng
wrote:
henry.bn wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro



ng
wrote:
I think the journalism has started to surface the real story and well done to the Argus on this

I have friends who have recently bought a property close by to the drug den spending well in excess of £1m believing the area to be safe for their children

They say the church acts as a magnet for all the wrong sorts and would love to see it closed, demolished and turned into residential housing

This vicar should stick to preaching and leave sociall and prison services to deal with the miscreant congregation. Unbelievable and unacceptable
The church is no more of a drug den than many other places in the rest of Brighton. It was not long ago that Brighton was reported as being the heroin death capital of Britain. Nasty place these days, not what it was in the 1970s, that's for sure. Your wealthy friends should have done their research first. But if that is their attitude they could well find their children becoming drawn to drugs whereever they lived. Drugs are available everywhere.
My friends are not wealthy and shouldn't need to research the goings on in a local church before buying property. Are you really so stupid?
Your friends should have done their research on the whole town. It has been a centre of all sorts of unpleasantness for the past 20 years. There is a day centre further along the road where the same kind of people gather but really they are all over the city centre.

If they find it so offensive and dangerous they should take the advantage of the fact that it is still a property hot spot, take the money and go somewhere they perceive as safer. But with attitudes like theirs they should keep an eye on their children because they could easily go down the same route. That is where many of these troublesome poor have come from - it is surprising how many of them have good accents.
You really are stupid. My friends are born and bred in Brighton. They thought they knew the city, what has tripped therm up is some of the less obvious goings on, seemingly being encouraged by this vicar and other like minded fools.

Surely a church should be a church, if it is attracting druggies and liars and the vicar is not calling the police then their are deeper underlying issues that need addressing. However if the police are engaged and the vicar is intending to return the church to a church then that's good.

People like you seem to know nothing but talk as you know everything, if you were so bright none of this crap would be going on.
[quote][p][bold]henry.bn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Somethingsarejustwro ng[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]henry.bn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Somethingsarejustwro ng[/bold] wrote: I think the journalism has started to surface the real story and well done to the Argus on this I have friends who have recently bought a property close by to the drug den spending well in excess of £1m believing the area to be safe for their children They say the church acts as a magnet for all the wrong sorts and would love to see it closed, demolished and turned into residential housing This vicar should stick to preaching and leave sociall and prison services to deal with the miscreant congregation. Unbelievable and unacceptable[/p][/quote]The church is no more of a drug den than many other places in the rest of Brighton. It was not long ago that Brighton was reported as being the heroin death capital of Britain. Nasty place these days, not what it was in the 1970s, that's for sure. Your wealthy friends should have done their research first. But if that is their attitude they could well find their children becoming drawn to drugs whereever they lived. Drugs are available everywhere.[/p][/quote]My friends are not wealthy and shouldn't need to research the goings on in a local church before buying property. Are you really so stupid?[/p][/quote]Your friends should have done their research on the whole town. It has been a centre of all sorts of unpleasantness for the past 20 years. There is a day centre further along the road where the same kind of people gather but really they are all over the city centre. If they find it so offensive and dangerous they should take the advantage of the fact that it is still a property hot spot, take the money and go somewhere they perceive as safer. But with attitudes like theirs they should keep an eye on their children because they could easily go down the same route. That is where many of these troublesome poor have come from - it is surprising how many of them have good accents.[/p][/quote]You really are stupid. My friends are born and bred in Brighton. They thought they knew the city, what has tripped therm up is some of the less obvious goings on, seemingly being encouraged by this vicar and other like minded fools. Surely a church should be a church, if it is attracting druggies and liars and the vicar is not calling the police then their are deeper underlying issues that need addressing. However if the police are engaged and the vicar is intending to return the church to a church then that's good. People like you seem to know nothing but talk as you know everything, if you were so bright none of this crap would be going on. Somethingsarejustwrong
  • Score: -5

5:49am Tue 10 Sep 13

Vanessa Coutts says...

***NEWSFLASH ***

Brighton & Hove City Council is to abolish council tax in a landmark decision, it emerged last night.

"We've been concerned for some time about the exorbitant rates of tax in our city and we think they're just not fair on the poor," a cheerful council spokesman said.

We love the poor here. We are also giving away free housing and free drugs and alcohol because that's the sort of nice people we are."

Under the new scheme, "Hug A Poor Person", the destitute are invited to pop in to the council offices for a cup of tea and a free massage.

"You'll always be greeted with a friendly smile at the council, especially if you're really really poor." Mr A. Jobsworth continued. "We don't want nasty rich people bringing down the tone of our city. NO! We want everyone to be poor."
***NEWSFLASH *** Brighton & Hove City Council is to abolish council tax in a landmark decision, it emerged last night. "We've been concerned for some time about the exorbitant rates of tax in our city and we think they're just not fair on the poor," a cheerful council spokesman said. We love the poor here. We are also giving away free housing and free drugs and alcohol because that's the sort of nice people we are." Under the new scheme, "Hug A Poor Person", the destitute are invited to pop in to the council offices for a cup of tea and a free massage. "You'll always be greeted with a friendly smile at the council, especially if you're really really poor." Mr A. Jobsworth continued. "We don't want nasty rich people bringing down the tone of our city. NO! We want everyone to be poor." Vanessa Coutts
  • Score: 2

7:48am Tue 10 Sep 13

Somethingsarejustwrong says...

Vanessa Coutts wrote:
Gardner's article is offensive to those of us who know and understand God's kingdom. Nobody would dare offend the Muslims and Jews in print, but Catholic bashing is oh so fashionable nowadays, especially in B&H, that great bastion of charity and equality. I am amazed that the sub-eds at The Argus allowed such a slanderous, inaccurate and staggeringly shallow, misguided piece which has distressed many people. Boo, Argus.
Lets be honest. Catholic's don't have the best reputation.

A simple Google search using 'Catholic scandal' returned 52.6 Million articles, whereas 'Muslim scandal' returned 47 Million and
'Jewish scandal' 41.5 Million.

Hard to argue with this Vanessa Coutts and well done the Argus for a great piece of journalism. Lets have a similar study on the travelers.
[quote][p][bold]Vanessa Coutts[/bold] wrote: Gardner's article is offensive to those of us who know and understand God's kingdom. Nobody would dare offend the Muslims and Jews in print, but Catholic bashing is oh so fashionable nowadays, especially in B&H, that great bastion of charity and equality. I am amazed that the sub-eds at The Argus allowed such a slanderous, inaccurate and staggeringly shallow, misguided piece which has distressed many people. Boo, Argus.[/p][/quote]Lets be honest. Catholic's don't have the best reputation. A simple Google search using 'Catholic scandal' returned 52.6 Million articles, whereas 'Muslim scandal' returned 47 Million and 'Jewish scandal' 41.5 Million. Hard to argue with this Vanessa Coutts and well done the Argus for a great piece of journalism. Lets have a similar study on the travelers. Somethingsarejustwrong
  • Score: -12

8:38am Tue 10 Sep 13

CallumLane says...

Somethingsarejustwro
ng
wrote:
Vanessa Coutts wrote:
Gardner's article is offensive to those of us who know and understand God's kingdom. Nobody would dare offend the Muslims and Jews in print, but Catholic bashing is oh so fashionable nowadays, especially in B&H, that great bastion of charity and equality. I am amazed that the sub-eds at The Argus allowed such a slanderous, inaccurate and staggeringly shallow, misguided piece which has distressed many people. Boo, Argus.
Lets be honest. Catholic's don't have the best reputation.

A simple Google search using 'Catholic scandal' returned 52.6 Million articles, whereas 'Muslim scandal' returned 47 Million and
'Jewish scandal' 41.5 Million.

Hard to argue with this Vanessa Coutts and well done the Argus for a great piece of journalism. Lets have a similar study on the travelers.
Google search results:

"Catholic scandal" - 18,600 results
"Muslim scandal" - 20,700 results
"Government scandal" - 62,000 results
"Family scandal" - 185,000 results

"Catholic charity" - 204,000 results

and your point is?
[quote][p][bold]Somethingsarejustwro ng[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Vanessa Coutts[/bold] wrote: Gardner's article is offensive to those of us who know and understand God's kingdom. Nobody would dare offend the Muslims and Jews in print, but Catholic bashing is oh so fashionable nowadays, especially in B&H, that great bastion of charity and equality. I am amazed that the sub-eds at The Argus allowed such a slanderous, inaccurate and staggeringly shallow, misguided piece which has distressed many people. Boo, Argus.[/p][/quote]Lets be honest. Catholic's don't have the best reputation. A simple Google search using 'Catholic scandal' returned 52.6 Million articles, whereas 'Muslim scandal' returned 47 Million and 'Jewish scandal' 41.5 Million. Hard to argue with this Vanessa Coutts and well done the Argus for a great piece of journalism. Lets have a similar study on the travelers.[/p][/quote]Google search results: "Catholic scandal" - 18,600 results "Muslim scandal" - 20,700 results "Government scandal" - 62,000 results "Family scandal" - 185,000 results "Catholic charity" - 204,000 results and your point is? CallumLane
  • Score: 4

9:29am Tue 10 Sep 13

Somethingsarejustwrong says...

CallumLane wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro

ng
wrote:
Vanessa Coutts wrote:
Gardner's article is offensive to those of us who know and understand God's kingdom. Nobody would dare offend the Muslims and Jews in print, but Catholic bashing is oh so fashionable nowadays, especially in B&H, that great bastion of charity and equality. I am amazed that the sub-eds at The Argus allowed such a slanderous, inaccurate and staggeringly shallow, misguided piece which has distressed many people. Boo, Argus.
Lets be honest. Catholic's don't have the best reputation.

A simple Google search using 'Catholic scandal' returned 52.6 Million articles, whereas 'Muslim scandal' returned 47 Million and
'Jewish scandal' 41.5 Million.

Hard to argue with this Vanessa Coutts and well done the Argus for a great piece of journalism. Lets have a similar study on the travelers.
Google search results:

"Catholic scandal" - 18,600 results
"Muslim scandal" - 20,700 results
"Government scandal" - 62,000 results
"Family scandal" - 185,000 results

"Catholic charity" - 204,000 results

and your point is?
I refer you to my figures.

Self explanatory!

I hope you are not in denial?
[quote][p][bold]CallumLane[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Somethingsarejustwro ng[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Vanessa Coutts[/bold] wrote: Gardner's article is offensive to those of us who know and understand God's kingdom. Nobody would dare offend the Muslims and Jews in print, but Catholic bashing is oh so fashionable nowadays, especially in B&H, that great bastion of charity and equality. I am amazed that the sub-eds at The Argus allowed such a slanderous, inaccurate and staggeringly shallow, misguided piece which has distressed many people. Boo, Argus.[/p][/quote]Lets be honest. Catholic's don't have the best reputation. A simple Google search using 'Catholic scandal' returned 52.6 Million articles, whereas 'Muslim scandal' returned 47 Million and 'Jewish scandal' 41.5 Million. Hard to argue with this Vanessa Coutts and well done the Argus for a great piece of journalism. Lets have a similar study on the travelers.[/p][/quote]Google search results: "Catholic scandal" - 18,600 results "Muslim scandal" - 20,700 results "Government scandal" - 62,000 results "Family scandal" - 185,000 results "Catholic charity" - 204,000 results and your point is?[/p][/quote]I refer you to my figures. Self explanatory! I hope you are not in denial? Somethingsarejustwrong
  • Score: 0

10:35am Tue 10 Sep 13

Vanessa Coutts says...

1.6 billion Catholics around the world. Not even Facebook gets that. If that's not a good reputation I don't know what is.

I didn't say the Catholic Church was devoid of scandal, I said it's trendy to attack it, while other religions and institutions cannot be openly condemned because it's considered politically incorrect to do so. Try living under a fatwa, see how that works for you.

It amuses me that some non-Catholics have a habit of telling Catholics what our Church is really like, because they obviously know much more about it than we do. Wow, you must be more Catholic than we are! And without even going to Mass or talking to a priest as well, that's almost a miracle!

2,000+ years of history, apostolic succession through the centuries, the hundreds of edicts, tracts, encyclicals, books, philosophical essays, all the councils of learned men debating complex concepts, the thousands of saints holy people who have worked marvels and miracles, and GOOGLE is your most reliable source of information on The Church? Silly me for relying on The Magisterium.

If it's good journalism for reporters to copy someone's blog as an excuse for research, lift the words out of context, twist their meaning, not bother to get a live quote or ask the man himself any questions, and provide no balancing viewpoint, I must have been reading the wrong newspapers for years.

Just because you did not take offence at Gardner's article does not invalidate or diminish mine, and that of many others.
1.6 billion Catholics around the world. Not even Facebook gets that. If that's not a good reputation I don't know what is. I didn't say the Catholic Church was devoid of scandal, I said it's trendy to attack it, while other religions and institutions cannot be openly condemned because it's considered politically incorrect to do so. Try living under a fatwa, see how that works for you. It amuses me that some non-Catholics have a habit of telling Catholics what our Church is really like, because they obviously know much more about it than we do. Wow, you must be more Catholic than we are! And without even going to Mass or talking to a priest as well, that's almost a miracle! 2,000+ years of history, apostolic succession through the centuries, the hundreds of edicts, tracts, encyclicals, books, philosophical essays, all the councils of learned men debating complex concepts, the thousands of saints holy people who have worked marvels and miracles, and GOOGLE is your most reliable source of information on The Church? Silly me for relying on The Magisterium. If it's good journalism for reporters to copy someone's blog as an excuse for research, lift the words out of context, twist their meaning, not bother to get a live quote or ask the man himself any questions, and provide no balancing viewpoint, I must have been reading the wrong newspapers for years. Just because you did not take offence at Gardner's article does not invalidate or diminish mine, and that of many others. Vanessa Coutts
  • Score: 8

1:31pm Tue 10 Sep 13

Sue De Nimes says...

CallumLane wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro

ng
wrote:
Vanessa Coutts wrote:
Gardner's article is offensive to those of us who know and understand God's kingdom. Nobody would dare offend the Muslims and Jews in print, but Catholic bashing is oh so fashionable nowadays, especially in B&H, that great bastion of charity and equality. I am amazed that the sub-eds at The Argus allowed such a slanderous, inaccurate and staggeringly shallow, misguided piece which has distressed many people. Boo, Argus.
Lets be honest. Catholic's don't have the best reputation.

A simple Google search using 'Catholic scandal' returned 52.6 Million articles, whereas 'Muslim scandal' returned 47 Million and
'Jewish scandal' 41.5 Million.

Hard to argue with this Vanessa Coutts and well done the Argus for a great piece of journalism. Lets have a similar study on the travelers.
Google search results:

"Catholic scandal" - 18,600 results
"Muslim scandal" - 20,700 results
"Government scandal" - 62,000 results
"Family scandal" - 185,000 results

"Catholic charity" - 204,000 results

and your point is?
Ah, Google, the font of all reason.

Never mistake a google search for a reasoned argument.
[quote][p][bold]CallumLane[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Somethingsarejustwro ng[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Vanessa Coutts[/bold] wrote: Gardner's article is offensive to those of us who know and understand God's kingdom. Nobody would dare offend the Muslims and Jews in print, but Catholic bashing is oh so fashionable nowadays, especially in B&H, that great bastion of charity and equality. I am amazed that the sub-eds at The Argus allowed such a slanderous, inaccurate and staggeringly shallow, misguided piece which has distressed many people. Boo, Argus.[/p][/quote]Lets be honest. Catholic's don't have the best reputation. A simple Google search using 'Catholic scandal' returned 52.6 Million articles, whereas 'Muslim scandal' returned 47 Million and 'Jewish scandal' 41.5 Million. Hard to argue with this Vanessa Coutts and well done the Argus for a great piece of journalism. Lets have a similar study on the travelers.[/p][/quote]Google search results: "Catholic scandal" - 18,600 results "Muslim scandal" - 20,700 results "Government scandal" - 62,000 results "Family scandal" - 185,000 results "Catholic charity" - 204,000 results and your point is?[/p][/quote]Ah, Google, the font of all reason. Never mistake a google search for a reasoned argument. Sue De Nimes
  • Score: 3

2:26pm Tue 10 Sep 13

Somethingsarejustwrong says...

Vanessa Coutts wrote:
1.6 billion Catholics around the world. Not even Facebook gets that. If that's not a good reputation I don't know what is.

I didn't say the Catholic Church was devoid of scandal, I said it's trendy to attack it, while other religions and institutions cannot be openly condemned because it's considered politically incorrect to do so. Try living under a fatwa, see how that works for you.

It amuses me that some non-Catholics have a habit of telling Catholics what our Church is really like, because they obviously know much more about it than we do. Wow, you must be more Catholic than we are! And without even going to Mass or talking to a priest as well, that's almost a miracle!

2,000+ years of history, apostolic succession through the centuries, the hundreds of edicts, tracts, encyclicals, books, philosophical essays, all the councils of learned men debating complex concepts, the thousands of saints holy people who have worked marvels and miracles, and GOOGLE is your most reliable source of information on The Church? Silly me for relying on The Magisterium.

If it's good journalism for reporters to copy someone's blog as an excuse for research, lift the words out of context, twist their meaning, not bother to get a live quote or ask the man himself any questions, and provide no balancing viewpoint, I must have been reading the wrong newspapers for years.

Just because you did not take offence at Gardner's article does not invalidate or diminish mine, and that of many others.
I can imagine the following being acted out tens of thousands of times a day in Catholic churches.

Catholic man ... 'father I have sinned'
Vicar ... 'what have you done son?'
Catholic man ... 'something outrageous that I can't even tell you about - I am so ashamed'
Vicar ... 'thats OK, can't be any worse than what I got up to last night during choir practice - so say 3 hail Mary's and go on your way'

Laughable yet if we believe the press and the courts, it appears the church has covered up years and years of systemic wrong doing at the expense of the very people it purports to protect. Laughable!
[quote][p][bold]Vanessa Coutts[/bold] wrote: 1.6 billion Catholics around the world. Not even Facebook gets that. If that's not a good reputation I don't know what is. I didn't say the Catholic Church was devoid of scandal, I said it's trendy to attack it, while other religions and institutions cannot be openly condemned because it's considered politically incorrect to do so. Try living under a fatwa, see how that works for you. It amuses me that some non-Catholics have a habit of telling Catholics what our Church is really like, because they obviously know much more about it than we do. Wow, you must be more Catholic than we are! And without even going to Mass or talking to a priest as well, that's almost a miracle! 2,000+ years of history, apostolic succession through the centuries, the hundreds of edicts, tracts, encyclicals, books, philosophical essays, all the councils of learned men debating complex concepts, the thousands of saints holy people who have worked marvels and miracles, and GOOGLE is your most reliable source of information on The Church? Silly me for relying on The Magisterium. If it's good journalism for reporters to copy someone's blog as an excuse for research, lift the words out of context, twist their meaning, not bother to get a live quote or ask the man himself any questions, and provide no balancing viewpoint, I must have been reading the wrong newspapers for years. Just because you did not take offence at Gardner's article does not invalidate or diminish mine, and that of many others.[/p][/quote]I can imagine the following being acted out tens of thousands of times a day in Catholic churches. Catholic man ... 'father I have sinned' Vicar ... 'what have you done son?' Catholic man ... 'something outrageous that I can't even tell you about - I am so ashamed' Vicar ... 'thats OK, can't be any worse than what I got up to last night during choir practice - so say 3 hail Mary's and go on your way' Laughable yet if we believe the press and the courts, it appears the church has covered up years and years of systemic wrong doing at the expense of the very people it purports to protect. Laughable! Somethingsarejustwrong
  • Score: -10

3:41pm Tue 10 Sep 13

Somethingsarejustwrong says...

Somethingsarejustwro
ng
wrote:
Vanessa Coutts wrote: 1.6 billion Catholics around the world. Not even Facebook gets that. If that's not a good reputation I don't know what is. I didn't say the Catholic Church was devoid of scandal, I said it's trendy to attack it, while other religions and institutions cannot be openly condemned because it's considered politically incorrect to do so. Try living under a fatwa, see how that works for you. It amuses me that some non-Catholics have a habit of telling Catholics what our Church is really like, because they obviously know much more about it than we do. Wow, you must be more Catholic than we are! And without even going to Mass or talking to a priest as well, that's almost a miracle! 2,000+ years of history, apostolic succession through the centuries, the hundreds of edicts, tracts, encyclicals, books, philosophical essays, all the councils of learned men debating complex concepts, the thousands of saints holy people who have worked marvels and miracles, and GOOGLE is your most reliable source of information on The Church? Silly me for relying on The Magisterium. If it's good journalism for reporters to copy someone's blog as an excuse for research, lift the words out of context, twist their meaning, not bother to get a live quote or ask the man himself any questions, and provide no balancing viewpoint, I must have been reading the wrong newspapers for years. Just because you did not take offence at Gardner's article does not invalidate or diminish mine, and that of many others.
I can imagine the following being acted out tens of thousands of times a day in Catholic churches. Catholic man ... 'father I have sinned' Vicar ... 'what have you done son?' Catholic man ... 'something outrageous that I can't even tell you about - I am so ashamed' Vicar ... 'thats OK, can't be any worse than what I got up to last night during choir practice - so say 3 hail Mary's and go on your way' Laughable yet if we believe the press and the courts, it appears the church has covered up years and years of systemic wrong doing at the expense of the very people it purports to protect. Laughable!
Oh yes and the very people it exploits turn a blind eye and pretend its all ok. Well let's be clear it isn't ok and if 1.5 billion people think it is then no wonder the world is in such a mess
[quote][p][bold]Somethingsarejustwro ng[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Vanessa Coutts[/bold] wrote: 1.6 billion Catholics around the world. Not even Facebook gets that. If that's not a good reputation I don't know what is. I didn't say the Catholic Church was devoid of scandal, I said it's trendy to attack it, while other religions and institutions cannot be openly condemned because it's considered politically incorrect to do so. Try living under a fatwa, see how that works for you. It amuses me that some non-Catholics have a habit of telling Catholics what our Church is really like, because they obviously know much more about it than we do. Wow, you must be more Catholic than we are! And without even going to Mass or talking to a priest as well, that's almost a miracle! 2,000+ years of history, apostolic succession through the centuries, the hundreds of edicts, tracts, encyclicals, books, philosophical essays, all the councils of learned men debating complex concepts, the thousands of saints holy people who have worked marvels and miracles, and GOOGLE is your most reliable source of information on The Church? Silly me for relying on The Magisterium. If it's good journalism for reporters to copy someone's blog as an excuse for research, lift the words out of context, twist their meaning, not bother to get a live quote or ask the man himself any questions, and provide no balancing viewpoint, I must have been reading the wrong newspapers for years. Just because you did not take offence at Gardner's article does not invalidate or diminish mine, and that of many others.[/p][/quote]I can imagine the following being acted out tens of thousands of times a day in Catholic churches. Catholic man ... 'father I have sinned' Vicar ... 'what have you done son?' Catholic man ... 'something outrageous that I can't even tell you about - I am so ashamed' Vicar ... 'thats OK, can't be any worse than what I got up to last night during choir practice - so say 3 hail Mary's and go on your way' Laughable yet if we believe the press and the courts, it appears the church has covered up years and years of systemic wrong doing at the expense of the very people it purports to protect. Laughable![/p][/quote]Oh yes and the very people it exploits turn a blind eye and pretend its all ok. Well let's be clear it isn't ok and if 1.5 billion people think it is then no wonder the world is in such a mess Somethingsarejustwrong
  • Score: -7

8:05pm Tue 10 Sep 13

Somethingsarejustwrong says...

Funny how when the fact is shared all the people in denial, or of course with a vested interest in carrying on the wrong doings finally go silent.

Laughable
Funny how when the fact is shared all the people in denial, or of course with a vested interest in carrying on the wrong doings finally go silent. Laughable Somethingsarejustwrong
  • Score: -4

4:56am Wed 11 Sep 13

Vanessa Coutts says...

Such a deep and well-researched spiritual understanding of theology, matters of faith and morals, and all the rigours of Holy Orders. You should join the priesthood!

Following your logic, if an organisation or institution is scandal-free, in a perfect world full of perfect people, only then is it immune from criticism, correct? OK. Name one.

Had Gardner wanted to write about sin I am sure he would have done so by quoting someone else - that seems to be his usual style. But that wasn't his topic. It seems to be yours. Your obsession with paedophilia is rather worrying. It's also irrelevant to Gardner's article. If I find a newspaper article offensive, then I will complain about it to the newspaper, which I did. If you want to complain about The Church, why don't you write to The Pope or go and talk to a priest, if you have the 'cojones'.

We crazy Papists also used to do other scary things like burn devil-worshippers, excommunicate heretics, exorcise demons, raise people from the dead, and scariest of all, parish jumble sales! AAAAAH! Home-made cakes and jam, little old ladies washing up and exchanging knits. Atheists and secularists would run screaming in horror back to the comfort of their of blood-spattering fantasy war games, online ****, and trolling strangers on forums while cowering behind the anonymity of some snivelling pseudonym. So much better.

I'll stick with Pascal's Wager. If 1.6 billion people are all wrong (never mind the billions of believers that came before us), then it won't matter because we'll just become specks of dust floating around in cosmic soup, no difference. But ultimately if you're wrong ... it will be, let's say, a wee bit difficult for you. Your choice.
Such a deep and well-researched spiritual understanding of theology, matters of faith and morals, and all the rigours of Holy Orders. You should join the priesthood! Following your logic, if an organisation or institution is scandal-free, in a perfect world full of perfect people, only then is it immune from criticism, correct? OK. Name one. Had Gardner wanted to write about sin I am sure he would have done so by quoting someone else - that seems to be his usual style. But that wasn't his topic. It seems to be yours. Your obsession with paedophilia is rather worrying. It's also irrelevant to Gardner's article. If I find a newspaper article offensive, then I will complain about it to the newspaper, which I did. If you want to complain about The Church, why don't you write to The Pope or go and talk to a priest, if you have the 'cojones'. We crazy Papists also used to do other scary things like burn devil-worshippers, excommunicate heretics, exorcise demons, raise people from the dead, and scariest of all, parish jumble sales! AAAAAH! Home-made cakes and jam, little old ladies washing up and exchanging knits. Atheists and secularists would run screaming in horror back to the comfort of their of blood-spattering fantasy war games, online ****, and trolling strangers on forums while cowering behind the anonymity of some snivelling pseudonym. So much better. I'll stick with Pascal's Wager. If 1.6 billion people are all wrong (never mind the billions of believers that came before us), then it won't matter because we'll just become specks of dust floating around in cosmic soup, no difference. But ultimately if you're wrong ... it will be, let's say, a wee bit difficult for you. Your choice. Vanessa Coutts
  • Score: 1

7:10am Wed 11 Sep 13

Somethingsarejustwrong says...

Vanessa Coutts wrote:
Such a deep and well-researched spiritual understanding of theology, matters of faith and morals, and all the rigours of Holy Orders. You should join the priesthood!

Following your logic, if an organisation or institution is scandal-free, in a perfect world full of perfect people, only then is it immune from criticism, correct? OK. Name one.

Had Gardner wanted to write about sin I am sure he would have done so by quoting someone else - that seems to be his usual style. But that wasn't his topic. It seems to be yours. Your obsession with paedophilia is rather worrying. It's also irrelevant to Gardner's article. If I find a newspaper article offensive, then I will complain about it to the newspaper, which I did. If you want to complain about The Church, why don't you write to The Pope or go and talk to a priest, if you have the 'cojones'.

We crazy Papists also used to do other scary things like burn devil-worshippers, excommunicate heretics, exorcise demons, raise people from the dead, and scariest of all, parish jumble sales! AAAAAH! Home-made cakes and jam, little old ladies washing up and exchanging knits. Atheists and secularists would run screaming in horror back to the comfort of their of blood-spattering fantasy war games, online ****, and trolling strangers on forums while cowering behind the anonymity of some snivelling pseudonym. So much better.

I'll stick with Pascal's Wager. If 1.6 billion people are all wrong (never mind the billions of believers that came before us), then it won't matter because we'll just become specks of dust floating around in cosmic soup, no difference. But ultimately if you're wrong ... it will be, let's say, a wee bit difficult for you. Your choice.
Wow

You really do seem to have a problem

Surprised you are not door knocking trying to force your unwanted nonsense on others like that other bunch of religious nutters.

Interestingly, I don't have an obsession with pasdophilia, indeed I haven't mentioned it once so can only assume that this is a part of the Catholic way; is it?

The end of your last post is quite insightful...is that the dialogue used by Catholics who are pushing their own into unpleasant and dare I suggest perhaps illegal acts?

No need to provide a response to points raised in this last post as to be honest I think I and the other 98% of very concerned writers on this site now know what the answers are

Worryingly laughable in a very concerned way
[quote][p][bold]Vanessa Coutts[/bold] wrote: Such a deep and well-researched spiritual understanding of theology, matters of faith and morals, and all the rigours of Holy Orders. You should join the priesthood! Following your logic, if an organisation or institution is scandal-free, in a perfect world full of perfect people, only then is it immune from criticism, correct? OK. Name one. Had Gardner wanted to write about sin I am sure he would have done so by quoting someone else - that seems to be his usual style. But that wasn't his topic. It seems to be yours. Your obsession with paedophilia is rather worrying. It's also irrelevant to Gardner's article. If I find a newspaper article offensive, then I will complain about it to the newspaper, which I did. If you want to complain about The Church, why don't you write to The Pope or go and talk to a priest, if you have the 'cojones'. We crazy Papists also used to do other scary things like burn devil-worshippers, excommunicate heretics, exorcise demons, raise people from the dead, and scariest of all, parish jumble sales! AAAAAH! Home-made cakes and jam, little old ladies washing up and exchanging knits. Atheists and secularists would run screaming in horror back to the comfort of their of blood-spattering fantasy war games, online ****, and trolling strangers on forums while cowering behind the anonymity of some snivelling pseudonym. So much better. I'll stick with Pascal's Wager. If 1.6 billion people are all wrong (never mind the billions of believers that came before us), then it won't matter because we'll just become specks of dust floating around in cosmic soup, no difference. But ultimately if you're wrong ... it will be, let's say, a wee bit difficult for you. Your choice.[/p][/quote]Wow You really do seem to have a problem Surprised you are not door knocking trying to force your unwanted nonsense on others like that other bunch of religious nutters. Interestingly, I don't have an obsession with pasdophilia, indeed I haven't mentioned it once so can only assume that this is a part of the Catholic way; is it? The end of your last post is quite insightful...is that the dialogue used by Catholics who are pushing their own into unpleasant and dare I suggest perhaps illegal acts? No need to provide a response to points raised in this last post as to be honest I think I and the other 98% of very concerned writers on this site now know what the answers are Worryingly laughable in a very concerned way Somethingsarejustwrong
  • Score: -3

8:28am Wed 11 Sep 13

Vanessa Coutts says...

***NEWSFLASH***

BBC South is to launch a new reality show, I’m A Celebrity and I’m Poor Here.

Set in fun-loving Brighton where everybody’s happy and well-off, the show will gather 10 talentless, D-list celebrities from the worlds of local politics, media, sport, arts and music.

“We’re only looking for successful trendy people because obviously no one’s interested in the unfashionable,” said BBC programme director Ms Iama Smug –Secularist. “The more shallow, spiritually bereft and morally bankrupt, the better, which shouldn’t be hard to find in Brighton.”

“We’re going to put them in all in a big house and make them do Poortucker Trials – reading philosophers like St. Thomas Aquinas, praying, fasting, and filling out Job Centre application forms.”

Local reporters from Brighton and Hove are reportedly very excited about the challenge and are all vying with each other over who will be selected to have their spiritual mettle tested.

“I’ve already been approached by the BBC and can’t wait to get stuck in,” says Bill Gardner from The Argus. “I’m preparing for it now by doing the Ignatian Spiritual Exercises for 40 days and 40 nights.”

The winner will be whoever can last to the end without begging for Richard Dawkins and a Big Mac with extra fries.
***NEWSFLASH*** BBC South is to launch a new reality show, I’m A Celebrity and I’m Poor Here. Set in fun-loving Brighton where everybody’s happy and well-off, the show will gather 10 talentless, D-list celebrities from the worlds of local politics, media, sport, arts and music. “We’re only looking for successful trendy people because obviously no one’s interested in the unfashionable,” said BBC programme director Ms Iama Smug –Secularist. “The more shallow, spiritually bereft and morally bankrupt, the better, which shouldn’t be hard to find in Brighton.” “We’re going to put them in all in a big house and make them do Poortucker Trials – reading philosophers like St. Thomas Aquinas, praying, fasting, and filling out Job Centre application forms.” Local reporters from Brighton and Hove are reportedly very excited about the challenge and are all vying with each other over who will be selected to have their spiritual mettle tested. “I’ve already been approached by the BBC and can’t wait to get stuck in,” says Bill Gardner from The Argus. “I’m preparing for it now by doing the Ignatian Spiritual Exercises for 40 days and 40 nights.” The winner will be whoever can last to the end without begging for Richard Dawkins and a Big Mac with extra fries. Vanessa Coutts
  • Score: 0

8:39am Wed 11 Sep 13

Somethingsarejustwrong says...

Vanessa Coutts wrote:
***NEWSFLASH***

BBC South is to launch a new reality show, I’m A Celebrity and I’m Poor Here.

Set in fun-loving Brighton where everybody’s happy and well-off, the show will gather 10 talentless, D-list celebrities from the worlds of local politics, media, sport, arts and music.

“We’re only looking for successful trendy people because obviously no one’s interested in the unfashionable,” said BBC programme director Ms Iama Smug –Secularist. “The more shallow, spiritually bereft and morally bankrupt, the better, which shouldn’t be hard to find in Brighton.”

“We’re going to put them in all in a big house and make them do Poortucker Trials – reading philosophers like St. Thomas Aquinas, praying, fasting, and filling out Job Centre application forms.”

Local reporters from Brighton and Hove are reportedly very excited about the challenge and are all vying with each other over who will be selected to have their spiritual mettle tested.

“I’ve already been approached by the BBC and can’t wait to get stuck in,” says Bill Gardner from The Argus. “I’m preparing for it now by doing the Ignatian Spiritual Exercises for 40 days and 40 nights.”

The winner will be whoever can last to the end without begging for Richard Dawkins and a Big Mac with extra fries.
Wow

You really do seem to have a problem

Surprised you are not door knocking trying to force your unwanted nonsense on others like that other bunch of religious nutters.

Interestingly, I don't have an obsession with paedophilia, indeed I haven't mentioned it once so can only assume that this is a part of the Catholic way; is it?

The end of your penultimate post is quite insightful...is that the dialogue used by Catholics who are pushing their own into unpleasant and dare I suggest perhaps illegal acts?

No need to provide a response to points raised in this last post as to be honest I think I and the other 98% of very concerned writers on this site now know what the answers are

Worryingly laughable in a very concerned way
[quote][p][bold]Vanessa Coutts[/bold] wrote: ***NEWSFLASH*** BBC South is to launch a new reality show, I’m A Celebrity and I’m Poor Here. Set in fun-loving Brighton where everybody’s happy and well-off, the show will gather 10 talentless, D-list celebrities from the worlds of local politics, media, sport, arts and music. “We’re only looking for successful trendy people because obviously no one’s interested in the unfashionable,” said BBC programme director Ms Iama Smug –Secularist. “The more shallow, spiritually bereft and morally bankrupt, the better, which shouldn’t be hard to find in Brighton.” “We’re going to put them in all in a big house and make them do Poortucker Trials – reading philosophers like St. Thomas Aquinas, praying, fasting, and filling out Job Centre application forms.” Local reporters from Brighton and Hove are reportedly very excited about the challenge and are all vying with each other over who will be selected to have their spiritual mettle tested. “I’ve already been approached by the BBC and can’t wait to get stuck in,” says Bill Gardner from The Argus. “I’m preparing for it now by doing the Ignatian Spiritual Exercises for 40 days and 40 nights.” The winner will be whoever can last to the end without begging for Richard Dawkins and a Big Mac with extra fries.[/p][/quote]Wow You really do seem to have a problem Surprised you are not door knocking trying to force your unwanted nonsense on others like that other bunch of religious nutters. Interestingly, I don't have an obsession with paedophilia, indeed I haven't mentioned it once so can only assume that this is a part of the Catholic way; is it? The end of your penultimate post is quite insightful...is that the dialogue used by Catholics who are pushing their own into unpleasant and dare I suggest perhaps illegal acts? No need to provide a response to points raised in this last post as to be honest I think I and the other 98% of very concerned writers on this site now know what the answers are Worryingly laughable in a very concerned way Somethingsarejustwrong
  • Score: -3

2:04pm Wed 11 Sep 13

Vanessa Coutts says...

Other deliciously nutty and healthy cashews are giving people allergic nut reactions worldwide, which under ‘elf and safety regulations must be removed from all modern school diets. Better to digest horse bowel, reconstituted chicken bones, and fried zombie brains instead.

A happy nut-allergic Argus fan was heard to say: “nomnomnom”, now believed by leading linguists to derive from an obscure Neanderthal dialect. On Google search, see the words “no” and “irony”.

Come on Argus, just admit that you were wrong to publish Bill Gardner’s piece as it was before the sub-eds had their coffees. Good newspapers are not afraid of admitting weakness. That was one of the most honest things about Fr. Blake’s original blog post to start with.
Other deliciously nutty and healthy cashews are giving people allergic nut reactions worldwide, which under ‘elf and safety regulations must be removed from all modern school diets. Better to digest horse bowel, reconstituted chicken bones, and fried zombie brains instead. A happy nut-allergic Argus fan was heard to say: “nomnomnom”, now believed by leading linguists to derive from an obscure Neanderthal dialect. On Google search, see the words “no” and “irony”. Come on Argus, just admit that you were wrong to publish Bill Gardner’s piece as it was before the sub-eds had their coffees. Good newspapers are not afraid of admitting weakness. That was one of the most honest things about Fr. Blake’s original blog post to start with. Vanessa Coutts
  • Score: 2

3:18pm Wed 11 Sep 13

Somethingsarejustwrong says...

Keep up the great journalism Argus.
Keep up the great journalism Argus. Somethingsarejustwrong
  • Score: -3

4:44pm Wed 11 Sep 13

Vanessa Coutts says...

And where is Bill Gardner in all of this? Silenced too.
And where is Bill Gardner in all of this? Silenced too. Vanessa Coutts
  • Score: 0

6:34pm Wed 11 Sep 13

ghost bus driver says...

Hmm never a Varg Vikernes type nearby when you need one.
Hmm never a Varg Vikernes type nearby when you need one. ghost bus driver
  • Score: -2

8:30pm Wed 11 Sep 13

Somethingsarejustwrong says...

Vanessa Coutts wrote:
And where is Bill Gardner in all of this? Silenced too.
Since your last post in the 225 minutes that has passed, I estimate that there will have been 845,000 hail Mary's instructed and heaven only knows how many choir members compromised.

Worrying!
[quote][p][bold]Vanessa Coutts[/bold] wrote: And where is Bill Gardner in all of this? Silenced too.[/p][/quote]Since your last post in the 225 minutes that has passed, I estimate that there will have been 845,000 hail Mary's instructed and heaven only knows how many choir members compromised. Worrying! Somethingsarejustwrong
  • Score: -2

8:48pm Wed 11 Sep 13

Vanessa Coutts says...

Yeah, but if 845,000 people are saying Hail Marys (wonderful, thank you) that's a lot more than are interested in Bill Gardner's views. Geddit?
Yeah, but if 845,000 people are saying Hail Marys (wonderful, thank you) that's a lot more than are interested in Bill Gardner's views. Geddit? Vanessa Coutts
  • Score: 1

9:22pm Wed 11 Sep 13

gemoftheocean says...

Somethingsarejustwro
ng
wrote:
Keep up the great journalism Argus.
Argus, their "editors" can go take flying leap off a short pier, and you can check on their progress up close and personal.
[quote][p][bold]Somethingsarejustwro ng[/bold] wrote: Keep up the great journalism Argus.[/p][/quote]Argus, their "editors" [if they can bother to get to work and stop giving each other jollies by hitting each other with whips and chains] can go take flying leap off a short pier, and you can check on their progress up close and personal. gemoftheocean
  • Score: 1

9:40pm Wed 11 Sep 13

mimseycal says...

Vanessa Coutts wrote:
Yeah, but if 845,000 people are saying Hail Marys (wonderful, thank you) that's a lot more than are interested in Bill Gardner's views. Geddit?
845,000 out of how many?
[quote][p][bold]Vanessa Coutts[/bold] wrote: Yeah, but if 845,000 people are saying Hail Marys (wonderful, thank you) that's a lot more than are interested in Bill Gardner's views. Geddit?[/p][/quote]845,000 out of how many? mimseycal
  • Score: -2

9:47pm Wed 11 Sep 13

Somethingsarejustwrong says...

Vanessa Coutts wrote:
Yeah, but if 845,000 people are saying Hail Marys (wonderful, thank you) that's a lot more than are interested in Bill Gardner's views. Geddit?
Takng 845,000 at 3 per person and going back to my earlier point, does that suggest 280K+ of choir members have suffered and if so is that something you and your church are happy to turn a blind eye to?
[quote][p][bold]Vanessa Coutts[/bold] wrote: Yeah, but if 845,000 people are saying Hail Marys (wonderful, thank you) that's a lot more than are interested in Bill Gardner's views. Geddit?[/p][/quote]Takng 845,000 at 3 per person and going back to my earlier point, does that suggest 280K+ of choir members have suffered and if so is that something you and your church are happy to turn a blind eye to? Somethingsarejustwrong
  • Score: 0

10:38pm Wed 11 Sep 13

Vanessa Coutts says...

I get the feeling you like numbers and stats - good for you - but sometimes it's just about FEELING.

Anyway, do carry on with your numbers. I hope you realise I am just distracting you from the real thing, hohoho, chortle, guffaw.

How many Catholics does it take to change a light bulib?
None. We use candles.
I get the feeling you like numbers and stats - good for you - but sometimes it's just about FEELING. Anyway, do carry on with your numbers. I hope you realise I am just distracting you from the real thing, hohoho, chortle, guffaw. How many Catholics does it take to change a light bulib? None. We use candles. Vanessa Coutts
  • Score: 2

11:13pm Wed 11 Sep 13

Somethingsarejustwrong says...

Vanessa Coutts wrote:
I get the feeling you like numbers and stats - good for you - but sometimes it's just about FEELING.

Anyway, do carry on with your numbers. I hope you realise I am just distracting you from the real thing, hohoho, chortle, guffaw.

How many Catholics does it take to change a light bulib?
None. We use candles.
So you do condone the abuse and suffering?
[quote][p][bold]Vanessa Coutts[/bold] wrote: I get the feeling you like numbers and stats - good for you - but sometimes it's just about FEELING. Anyway, do carry on with your numbers. I hope you realise I am just distracting you from the real thing, hohoho, chortle, guffaw. How many Catholics does it take to change a light bulib? None. We use candles.[/p][/quote]So you do condone the abuse and suffering? Somethingsarejustwrong
  • Score: -1

11:35pm Wed 11 Sep 13

Vanessa Coutts says...

If you are talking about the abuse and suffering of Jesus Christ, no, I do not condone it, I reject it. I am willing to suffer for Him. Crucify me instead.

If you are talking about your own suffering, then you need to go and talk to someone about it. A Catholic priest would be a good start.
If you are talking about the abuse and suffering of Jesus Christ, no, I do not condone it, I reject it. I am willing to suffer for Him. Crucify me instead. If you are talking about your own suffering, then you need to go and talk to someone about it. A Catholic priest would be a good start. Vanessa Coutts
  • Score: 1

4:47am Thu 12 Sep 13

Somethingsarejustwrong says...

Vanessa Coutts wrote:
If you are talking about the abuse and suffering of Jesus Christ, no, I do not condone it, I reject it. I am willing to suffer for Him. Crucify me instead.

If you are talking about your own suffering, then you need to go and talk to someone about it. A Catholic priest would be a good start.
I was obviously referring to the pain and suffering created by the catholic priests who have physically abused members of their choirs etc eg all the stuff we read about from.various court cases

But then you knew that and chose to ignore it. Sounds familiar doesn't it ?

Worryingly laughable
[quote][p][bold]Vanessa Coutts[/bold] wrote: If you are talking about the abuse and suffering of Jesus Christ, no, I do not condone it, I reject it. I am willing to suffer for Him. Crucify me instead. If you are talking about your own suffering, then you need to go and talk to someone about it. A Catholic priest would be a good start.[/p][/quote]I was obviously referring to the pain and suffering created by the catholic priests who have physically abused members of their choirs etc eg all the stuff we read about from.various court cases But then you knew that and chose to ignore it. Sounds familiar doesn't it ? Worryingly laughable Somethingsarejustwrong
  • Score: -1

7:35am Thu 12 Sep 13

The Finn says...

Somethingsarejustwro
ng
wrote:
CallumLane wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro ng wrote:
Vanessa Coutts wrote: Gardner's article is offensive to those of us who know and understand God's kingdom. Nobody would dare offend the Muslims and Jews in print, but Catholic bashing is oh so fashionable nowadays, especially in B&H, that great bastion of charity and equality. I am amazed that the sub-eds at The Argus allowed such a slanderous, inaccurate and staggeringly shallow, misguided piece which has distressed many people. Boo, Argus.
Lets be honest. Catholic's don't have the best reputation. A simple Google search using 'Catholic scandal' returned 52.6 Million articles, whereas 'Muslim scandal' returned 47 Million and 'Jewish scandal' 41.5 Million. Hard to argue with this Vanessa Coutts and well done the Argus for a great piece of journalism. Lets have a similar study on the travelers.
Google search results: "Catholic scandal" - 18,600 results "Muslim scandal" - 20,700 results "Government scandal" - 62,000 results "Family scandal" - 185,000 results "Catholic charity" - 204,000 results and your point is?
I refer you to my figures. Self explanatory! I hope you are not in denial?
I would not base my conclusion on a simple Google search. It is not reliable enough to make a reliable and 100% accurate conclusion.

One example is tags, how many websites, especially those made by scammers are using different keywords to attract traffic to their websites which has nothing to do with the subject of the search.

Other one is keywords used in blogs to attract traffic. And a blog contains someones personal opinion, not a fact.

So would you both please come up with a reliable source which can be confirmed before spewing out google searches.

FYI: Wikipedia is NOT a reliable source.
[quote][p][bold]Somethingsarejustwro ng[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CallumLane[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Somethingsarejustwro ng[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Vanessa Coutts[/bold] wrote: Gardner's article is offensive to those of us who know and understand God's kingdom. Nobody would dare offend the Muslims and Jews in print, but Catholic bashing is oh so fashionable nowadays, especially in B&H, that great bastion of charity and equality. I am amazed that the sub-eds at The Argus allowed such a slanderous, inaccurate and staggeringly shallow, misguided piece which has distressed many people. Boo, Argus.[/p][/quote]Lets be honest. Catholic's don't have the best reputation. A simple Google search using 'Catholic scandal' returned 52.6 Million articles, whereas 'Muslim scandal' returned 47 Million and 'Jewish scandal' 41.5 Million. Hard to argue with this Vanessa Coutts and well done the Argus for a great piece of journalism. Lets have a similar study on the travelers.[/p][/quote]Google search results: "Catholic scandal" - 18,600 results "Muslim scandal" - 20,700 results "Government scandal" - 62,000 results "Family scandal" - 185,000 results "Catholic charity" - 204,000 results and your point is?[/p][/quote]I refer you to my figures. Self explanatory! I hope you are not in denial?[/p][/quote]I would not base my conclusion on a simple Google search. It is not reliable enough to make a reliable and 100% accurate conclusion. One example is tags, how many websites, especially those made by scammers are using different keywords to attract traffic to their websites which has nothing to do with the subject of the search. Other one is keywords used in blogs to attract traffic. And a blog contains someones personal opinion, not a fact. So would you both please come up with a reliable source which can be confirmed before spewing out google searches. FYI: Wikipedia is NOT a reliable source. The Finn
  • Score: -2

8:21am Thu 12 Sep 13

Somethingsarejustwrong says...

The Finn wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro

ng
wrote:
CallumLane wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro ng wrote:
Vanessa Coutts wrote: Gardner's article is offensive to those of us who know and understand God's kingdom. Nobody would dare offend the Muslims and Jews in print, but Catholic bashing is oh so fashionable nowadays, especially in B&H, that great bastion of charity and equality. I am amazed that the sub-eds at The Argus allowed such a slanderous, inaccurate and staggeringly shallow, misguided piece which has distressed many people. Boo, Argus.
Lets be honest. Catholic's don't have the best reputation. A simple Google search using 'Catholic scandal' returned 52.6 Million articles, whereas 'Muslim scandal' returned 47 Million and 'Jewish scandal' 41.5 Million. Hard to argue with this Vanessa Coutts and well done the Argus for a great piece of journalism. Lets have a similar study on the travelers.
Google search results: "Catholic scandal" - 18,600 results "Muslim scandal" - 20,700 results "Government scandal" - 62,000 results "Family scandal" - 185,000 results "Catholic charity" - 204,000 results and your point is?
I refer you to my figures. Self explanatory! I hope you are not in denial?
I would not base my conclusion on a simple Google search. It is not reliable enough to make a reliable and 100% accurate conclusion.

One example is tags, how many websites, especially those made by scammers are using different keywords to attract traffic to their websites which has nothing to do with the subject of the search.

Other one is keywords used in blogs to attract traffic. And a blog contains someones personal opinion, not a fact.

So would you both please come up with a reliable source which can be confirmed before spewing out google searches.

FYI: Wikipedia is NOT a reliable source.
Equally your version of the truth of how search engines and meta tags etc work is flawed and I won't be taking any action as a consequence of your kind thoughts.

In the interim, people are potentially still suffering at the hands of these Catholics
[quote][p][bold]The Finn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Somethingsarejustwro ng[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CallumLane[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Somethingsarejustwro ng[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Vanessa Coutts[/bold] wrote: Gardner's article is offensive to those of us who know and understand God's kingdom. Nobody would dare offend the Muslims and Jews in print, but Catholic bashing is oh so fashionable nowadays, especially in B&H, that great bastion of charity and equality. I am amazed that the sub-eds at The Argus allowed such a slanderous, inaccurate and staggeringly shallow, misguided piece which has distressed many people. Boo, Argus.[/p][/quote]Lets be honest. Catholic's don't have the best reputation. A simple Google search using 'Catholic scandal' returned 52.6 Million articles, whereas 'Muslim scandal' returned 47 Million and 'Jewish scandal' 41.5 Million. Hard to argue with this Vanessa Coutts and well done the Argus for a great piece of journalism. Lets have a similar study on the travelers.[/p][/quote]Google search results: "Catholic scandal" - 18,600 results "Muslim scandal" - 20,700 results "Government scandal" - 62,000 results "Family scandal" - 185,000 results "Catholic charity" - 204,000 results and your point is?[/p][/quote]I refer you to my figures. Self explanatory! I hope you are not in denial?[/p][/quote]I would not base my conclusion on a simple Google search. It is not reliable enough to make a reliable and 100% accurate conclusion. One example is tags, how many websites, especially those made by scammers are using different keywords to attract traffic to their websites which has nothing to do with the subject of the search. Other one is keywords used in blogs to attract traffic. And a blog contains someones personal opinion, not a fact. So would you both please come up with a reliable source which can be confirmed before spewing out google searches. FYI: Wikipedia is NOT a reliable source.[/p][/quote]Equally your version of the truth of how search engines and meta tags etc work is flawed and I won't be taking any action as a consequence of your kind thoughts. In the interim, people are potentially still suffering at the hands of these Catholics Somethingsarejustwrong
  • Score: -2

8:39am Thu 12 Sep 13

Cyril Bolleaux says...

Vanessa Coutts wrote:
If you are talking about the abuse and suffering of Jesus Christ, no, I do not condone it, I reject it. I am willing to suffer for Him. Crucify me instead. If you are talking about your own suffering, then you need to go and talk to someone about it. A Catholic priest would be a good start.
Vanessa, you are obviously a decent person who is not familiar with the degenerate Somethingsarejustwro
ng. He is a sick pervert who gets his kicks from upsetting people. Do not engage with him, answer him or acknowledge him. You may feel soory for him but as Fr. Blake says dealing with these people is not always easy as the only way he can make himself feel good is by making other people feel bad. Treat him as you would treat a pool of vomit and walk away.
[quote][p][bold]Vanessa Coutts[/bold] wrote: If you are talking about the abuse and suffering of Jesus Christ, no, I do not condone it, I reject it. I am willing to suffer for Him. Crucify me instead. If you are talking about your own suffering, then you need to go and talk to someone about it. A Catholic priest would be a good start.[/p][/quote]Vanessa, you are obviously a decent person who is not familiar with the degenerate Somethingsarejustwro ng. He is a sick pervert who gets his kicks from upsetting people. Do not engage with him, answer him or acknowledge him. You may feel soory for him but as Fr. Blake says dealing with these people is not always easy as the only way he can make himself feel good is by making other people feel bad. Treat him as you would treat a pool of vomit and walk away. Cyril Bolleaux
  • Score: 3

10:07am Thu 12 Sep 13

Vanessa Coutts says...

Thank you, Cyril, for your wise words. I agree, some poor lost souls seem to get cheap thrills out of trying to abuse the The Church, the clergy, and the MANY members of the Body of Christ on earth. As if there are not enough problems in the world. But we've been around a lot longer than they have and will still be around long after they've gone. "Tu es Petrus et super hanc petram aedificabo ecclesiam meam et portae inferi non praevalebunt adversus eam."

I have given The Argus enough of my time and attention, which it does not deserve, but I do think it is sometimes important to provide THE OTHER VIEW, which is what truth is about. Pity Mr Gardner does not have the balls to respond to his critics himself, unless of course he is hiding behind a pseudonym and multiple fake profiles. Probably a case of DID, autism, or just yellow-bellied immaturity. Get real.

Not nice when the tables are turned, is it, Mr. Gardner? You can try and attack The Church, but can't take criticism yourself. Pot, kettle, black.

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=RkNsEH1GD
7Q

Signing out.
Thank you, Cyril, for your wise words. I agree, some poor lost souls seem to get cheap thrills out of trying to abuse the The Church, the clergy, and the MANY members of the Body of Christ on earth. As if there are not enough problems in the world. But we've been around a lot longer than they have and will still be around long after they've gone. "Tu es Petrus et super hanc petram aedificabo ecclesiam meam et portae inferi non praevalebunt adversus eam." I have given The Argus enough of my time and attention, which it does not deserve, but I do think it is sometimes important to provide THE OTHER VIEW, which is what truth is about. Pity Mr Gardner does not have the balls to respond to his critics himself, unless of course he is hiding behind a pseudonym and multiple fake profiles. Probably a case of DID, autism, or just yellow-bellied immaturity. Get real. Not nice when the tables are turned, is it, Mr. Gardner? You can try and attack The Church, but can't take criticism yourself. Pot, kettle, black. http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=RkNsEH1GD 7Q Signing out. Vanessa Coutts
  • Score: 1

11:04am Thu 12 Sep 13

Somethingsarejustwrong says...

Vanessa Coutts wrote:
Thank you, Cyril, for your wise words. I agree, some poor lost souls seem to get cheap thrills out of trying to abuse the The Church, the clergy, and the MANY members of the Body of Christ on earth. As if there are not enough problems in the world. But we've been around a lot longer than they have and will still be around long after they've gone. "Tu es Petrus et super hanc petram aedificabo ecclesiam meam et portae inferi non praevalebunt adversus eam."

I have given The Argus enough of my time and attention, which it does not deserve, but I do think it is sometimes important to provide THE OTHER VIEW, which is what truth is about. Pity Mr Gardner does not have the balls to respond to his critics himself, unless of course he is hiding behind a pseudonym and multiple fake profiles. Probably a case of DID, autism, or just yellow-bellied immaturity. Get real.

Not nice when the tables are turned, is it, Mr. Gardner? You can try and attack The Church, but can't take criticism yourself. Pot, kettle, black.

http://www.youtube.c

om/watch?v=RkNsEH1GD

7Q

Signing out.
Yes signing out without addressing the real issue that good journalism has surfaced.

This level of avoidance and denial pretty much sums up all that is wrong in the UK and particularly the church.
[quote][p][bold]Vanessa Coutts[/bold] wrote: Thank you, Cyril, for your wise words. I agree, some poor lost souls seem to get cheap thrills out of trying to abuse the The Church, the clergy, and the MANY members of the Body of Christ on earth. As if there are not enough problems in the world. But we've been around a lot longer than they have and will still be around long after they've gone. "Tu es Petrus et super hanc petram aedificabo ecclesiam meam et portae inferi non praevalebunt adversus eam." I have given The Argus enough of my time and attention, which it does not deserve, but I do think it is sometimes important to provide THE OTHER VIEW, which is what truth is about. Pity Mr Gardner does not have the balls to respond to his critics himself, unless of course he is hiding behind a pseudonym and multiple fake profiles. Probably a case of DID, autism, or just yellow-bellied immaturity. Get real. Not nice when the tables are turned, is it, Mr. Gardner? You can try and attack The Church, but can't take criticism yourself. Pot, kettle, black. http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=RkNsEH1GD 7Q Signing out.[/p][/quote]Yes signing out without addressing the real issue that good journalism has surfaced. This level of avoidance and denial pretty much sums up all that is wrong in the UK and particularly the church. Somethingsarejustwrong
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11:11am Thu 12 Sep 13

Somethingsarejustwrong says...

Cyril Bolleaux wrote:
Vanessa Coutts wrote:
If you are talking about the abuse and suffering of Jesus Christ, no, I do not condone it, I reject it. I am willing to suffer for Him. Crucify me instead. If you are talking about your own suffering, then you need to go and talk to someone about it. A Catholic priest would be a good start.
Vanessa, you are obviously a decent person who is not familiar with the degenerate Somethingsarejustwro

ng. He is a sick pervert who gets his kicks from upsetting people. Do not engage with him, answer him or acknowledge him. You may feel soory for him but as Fr. Blake says dealing with these people is not always easy as the only way he can make himself feel good is by making other people feel bad. Treat him as you would treat a pool of vomit and walk away.
How lovely to hear from you again Cyril and many thanks for your kind comments regarding me being 'a sick pervert'.

You have already illustrated via your posts that there is more to you than may simply meet the eye and at some stage I am confident that your irrational behaviour will be your downfall - maybe it has already contributed to the challenges you face in life?

Anger management may be an option for you, however I suspect that your problems are much deeper rooted.

What a load of Cyril Bolleaux you write

Laughable!
[quote][p][bold]Cyril Bolleaux[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Vanessa Coutts[/bold] wrote: If you are talking about the abuse and suffering of Jesus Christ, no, I do not condone it, I reject it. I am willing to suffer for Him. Crucify me instead. If you are talking about your own suffering, then you need to go and talk to someone about it. A Catholic priest would be a good start.[/p][/quote]Vanessa, you are obviously a decent person who is not familiar with the degenerate Somethingsarejustwro ng. He is a sick pervert who gets his kicks from upsetting people. Do not engage with him, answer him or acknowledge him. You may feel soory for him but as Fr. Blake says dealing with these people is not always easy as the only way he can make himself feel good is by making other people feel bad. Treat him as you would treat a pool of vomit and walk away.[/p][/quote]How lovely to hear from you again Cyril and many thanks for your kind comments regarding me being 'a sick pervert'. You have already illustrated via your posts that there is more to you than may simply meet the eye and at some stage I am confident that your irrational behaviour will be your downfall - maybe it has already contributed to the challenges you face in life? Anger management may be an option for you, however I suspect that your problems are much deeper rooted. What a load of Cyril Bolleaux you write Laughable! Somethingsarejustwrong
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