Brighton's Edward Street partially closed to build bus and bike lane

The Argus: Brighton's Edward Street partially closed to build bus and bike lane Brighton's Edward Street partially closed to build bus and bike lane

A dual carriageway has been partially closed due to the construction of a new bus and cycle lane.

Brighton and Hove City Council believes its changes to Edward Street, Brighton, will increase sustainable transport levels in the area.

The local authority said yesterday the outside lane had been closed in both directions for work to get underway.

The plan is to create a new combined bus, cycle and taxi lane on one length of the westbound carriageway in Edward Street.

A similar lane will be created eastbound from the junction with Upper Rock Gardens to the junction with Freshfield Road with a separate two-metre cycle lane from Pavilion Gardens to Upper Rock Gardens.

A series of new crossings will also be installed as part of the work, which should be completed next year.

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6:12am Tue 3 Dec 13

CliveA says...

How many times has the Argus run stories that mention cyclists riding the wrong way down St James St? And cross does that make people?
The good thing about this bit of news is that it stands a chance of alleviating a problem many people clearly feel so strongly about. Why do some cyclists decide to cycle west along St James Street? Lack of safe convenient alternatives. So here we are.
Sounds like a good move.
How many times has the Argus run stories that mention cyclists riding the wrong way down St James St? And cross does that make people? The good thing about this bit of news is that it stands a chance of alleviating a problem many people clearly feel so strongly about. Why do some cyclists decide to cycle west along St James Street? Lack of safe convenient alternatives. So here we are. Sounds like a good move. CliveA

6:58am Tue 3 Dec 13

Angryoldman says...

This is not news. The street has been partially closed for weeks.
Wake up Argus!
Another nail in the coffin of the hard working motorist trying to get to work.
Enjoy your five minutes of fame greens cos you will NEVER get in again.
Yes more people are using buses. However most don't pay for their travel and have all day to get to where theyre going.
We working motorists pay for their travel and pay the tax for digging up these roads. No wonder the country is bankrupt.
This is not news. The street has been partially closed for weeks. Wake up Argus! Another nail in the coffin of the hard working motorist trying to get to work. Enjoy your five minutes of fame greens cos you will NEVER get in again. Yes more people are using buses. However most don't pay for their travel and have all day to get to where theyre going. We working motorists pay for their travel and pay the tax for digging up these roads. No wonder the country is bankrupt. Angryoldman

7:20am Tue 3 Dec 13

roystony says...

I can't believe they are doing this. The greens just do what they want. They have changed far too many road systems and the benifits have been minimal. I have never seen a cyclist on the old shoreham road and the narrow roads are dangerous. They must be using the money from parking fines and charges. Don't the public have a say?

Another thing is how dangerous these puffin crossings are, they must have spent a fortune replacing the pelican ones.
I can't believe they are doing this. The greens just do what they want. They have changed far too many road systems and the benifits have been minimal. I have never seen a cyclist on the old shoreham road and the narrow roads are dangerous. They must be using the money from parking fines and charges. Don't the public have a say? Another thing is how dangerous these puffin crossings are, they must have spent a fortune replacing the pelican ones. roystony

7:31am Tue 3 Dec 13

Brightonlad86 says...

Just moved to Haywards Heath.
We have no bus/cycle lanes, cheap/free parking, very little congestion and less idiots crossing the road with they're eyes glued to a phone. It almost feels like heaven. Oh, and everyone just seems happier.
Just moved to Haywards Heath. We have no bus/cycle lanes, cheap/free parking, very little congestion and less idiots crossing the road with they're eyes glued to a phone. It almost feels like heaven. Oh, and everyone just seems happier. Brightonlad86

8:08am Tue 3 Dec 13

Skidrow says...

Combined bus cycle and taxi lane eh? How many cyclists have died under buses in London this year? Another Great Green idea.
Combined bus cycle and taxi lane eh? How many cyclists have died under buses in London this year? Another Great Green idea. Skidrow

8:11am Tue 3 Dec 13

salty_pete says...

There are precious few east-west routes across the city, and when one of them is closed there is grid lock. Even when this ridiculous scheme is finished it will bring misery to the whole town. Obviously the priority of this council is to choke the commercial life out of the town and end up as deprived as Hastings. To place restrictions on this important route to the Hospital is utter folly, because once there is grid lock even blue lighters don't move.
There are precious few east-west routes across the city, and when one of them is closed there is grid lock. Even when this ridiculous scheme is finished it will bring misery to the whole town. Obviously the priority of this council is to choke the commercial life out of the town and end up as deprived as Hastings. To place restrictions on this important route to the Hospital is utter folly, because once there is grid lock even blue lighters don't move. salty_pete

8:44am Tue 3 Dec 13

Can this be says...

More silly nonsense and a waste of our money. The problems exist on the bit of road east of here past Brighton College and the RSCH. Those decision makers of the last decade or two have pretty much locked us into the redevelopment of the RSCH on its present site, but that will not solve the problem of the road being too narrow. It is the normal B&HCC lack of joined up thinking by our politicians - whether green, blue, or red - which we suffer from. The current draft City Plan Part One will unfortunately not move us on in a sensible direction.
More silly nonsense and a waste of our money. The problems exist on the bit of road east of here past Brighton College and the RSCH. Those decision makers of the last decade or two have pretty much locked us into the redevelopment of the RSCH on its present site, but that will not solve the problem of the road being too narrow. It is the normal B&HCC lack of joined up thinking by our politicians - whether green, blue, or red - which we suffer from. The current draft City Plan Part One will unfortunately not move us on in a sensible direction. Can this be

8:51am Tue 3 Dec 13

pachallis says...

@CliveA - "Why do some cyclists decide to cycle west along St James Street?" - perhaps because they are irresponsible or arrogant enough to think that the rules of the road don't apply if they don't agree with them?

And if the change does not improve sustainable transport levels as the irresponsibly arrogant, green controlled transport committee "BELIEVES", will they reverse these changes?
@CliveA - "Why do some cyclists decide to cycle west along St James Street?" - perhaps because they are irresponsible or arrogant enough to think that the rules of the road don't apply if they don't agree with them? And if the change does not improve sustainable transport levels as the irresponsibly arrogant, green controlled transport committee "BELIEVES", will they reverse these changes? pachallis

8:56am Tue 3 Dec 13

Crystal Ball says...

The Green legacy will not be one of: public service, sustainability and social enhancement, it will be of: delusion, inconvenience at the expense of the tax paying residents and vacuous vanity.

Such a shame for the town as it was managing well prior to the Green fantasy.
The Green legacy will not be one of: public service, sustainability and social enhancement, it will be of: delusion, inconvenience at the expense of the tax paying residents and vacuous vanity. Such a shame for the town as it was managing well prior to the Green fantasy. Crystal Ball

9:02am Tue 3 Dec 13

HJarrs says...

Angryoldman wrote:
This is not news. The street has been partially closed for weeks.
Wake up Argus!
Another nail in the coffin of the hard working motorist trying to get to work.
Enjoy your five minutes of fame greens cos you will NEVER get in again.
Yes more people are using buses. However most don't pay for their travel and have all day to get to where theyre going.
We working motorists pay for their travel and pay the tax for digging up these roads. No wonder the country is bankrupt.
Another nail out of the coffin of hard working, tax paying pedestrians, bus users and cyclists most of whom are council tax payers that contribute to the upkeep of the local road network.
[quote][p][bold]Angryoldman[/bold] wrote: This is not news. The street has been partially closed for weeks. Wake up Argus! Another nail in the coffin of the hard working motorist trying to get to work. Enjoy your five minutes of fame greens cos you will NEVER get in again. Yes more people are using buses. However most don't pay for their travel and have all day to get to where theyre going. We working motorists pay for their travel and pay the tax for digging up these roads. No wonder the country is bankrupt.[/p][/quote]Another nail out of the coffin of hard working, tax paying pedestrians, bus users and cyclists most of whom are council tax payers that contribute to the upkeep of the local road network. HJarrs

9:23am Tue 3 Dec 13

spa301 says...

H.Jarrs
You do almost as much to boost antagonism towards the Greens as their own policies do. Congratulations.
H.Jarrs You do almost as much to boost antagonism towards the Greens as their own policies do. Congratulations. spa301

9:28am Tue 3 Dec 13

peteb21 says...

Time to make another appeal for my Brighton Pro Car Party:

Who wants to join me in my Brighton Pro Car Party? I’ve had enough of these pesky greens making driving a nightmare. I have definitely noticed at least a tenfold increase in the time it takes me to drive from, say Churchill Square car park to my house by Seven Dials and I’ve had enough of it!

1. First off, obviously, I would remove any kind of cycling infrastructure, any cycle shops would be bulldozed and car parks built in their place. It’s a well-known fact that cyclists don’t pay road tax, the scum that they are don’t think they should, well they don’t get to use the roads then. They cycle the wrong way down one way roads, through red lights, thinking they are above the law causing all kinds of mayhem and destruction. Cars drivers can’t do it and that just isn’t fair, despite how much I really wish I could get away with it.

2. Secondly I think buses have no place on the roads either. It’s obvious that they are just a waste of money and cause more congestion and fumes. I would scrap buses. Bus lanes would become the sole preserve of people wanting to make journeys of less than one mile. This will mean that short journey can be made in double quick times, meaning less traffic on the roads, simple!

3. I would remove the 20 mph speed limits and make them speed minimums; the same would apply to all other current speed limits in B&H. If you aren’t up to speed you will be fined, I’m sure it is possible to re-programme the current speed cameras to enable this.

4. I would increase the amount of car parking available by tarmacing over Preston Park, The Level, St Anns Well Gardens, Victoria Gardens, Queens Park, in fact all green spaces, it would be free to park in these new zones.

5. I would also tarmac the beach; imagine how many car park spaces could be formed! After all what’s the point in having a beach if people can’t get to Brighton because they can’t park?! Actually while I’m at it I would also demolish Brighton Pavilion and build a 15 storey car park. These greens don’t get that if people can’t park their cars easily and for free they won’t come to Brighton, ruining business.

6. I would also remove pavements, pedestrians slow the driver down, all that crossing the road and stuff, don’t they realise the roads are for cars!? If people want to go to a shop they will be able to drive and park right outside of it. This would improve business no end, it would be like ordering off the internet. No worrying about going outside or other people annoying you, straight out of your car, straight in your shop of choice, straight back home again. Obviously some shops are too narrow to drive to, such as those in the Lanes. In this case demolish just enough building to make room for the cars to get access. The greens say no cars in the Lanes; I say make the Lanes car lanes.

7. I would then, as the pièce de résistance, remove all the different obstacles that get in the way of the hard working driver, so cars are free to move around freely at speeds without any congestion. This would include things such as: traffic lights, pedestrian crossings, zebra crossings, speed humps, double yellow lines etc etc. There would be nothing stopping the keen driver cruising along peacefully as they drive the 1 mile journey to drop the kids off at school.

This would obviously lead to massive improvements for business and normal everyday hard working people. Traffic would flow freely everywhere helping to restore Brighton to the once peaceful quaint seaside fishing village it used to be, before it got all busy, and run down.
Time to make another appeal for my Brighton Pro Car Party: Who wants to join me in my Brighton Pro Car Party? I’ve had enough of these pesky greens making driving a nightmare. I have definitely noticed at least a tenfold increase in the time it takes me to drive from, say Churchill Square car park to my house by Seven Dials and I’ve had enough of it! 1. First off, obviously, I would remove any kind of cycling infrastructure, any cycle shops would be bulldozed and car parks built in their place. It’s a well-known fact that cyclists don’t pay road tax, the scum that they are don’t think they should, well they don’t get to use the roads then. They cycle the wrong way down one way roads, through red lights, thinking they are above the law causing all kinds of mayhem and destruction. Cars drivers can’t do it and that just isn’t fair, despite how much I really wish I could get away with it. 2. Secondly I think buses have no place on the roads either. It’s obvious that they are just a waste of money and cause more congestion and fumes. I would scrap buses. Bus lanes would become the sole preserve of people wanting to make journeys of less than one mile. This will mean that short journey can be made in double quick times, meaning less traffic on the roads, simple! 3. I would remove the 20 mph speed limits and make them speed minimums; the same would apply to all other current speed limits in B&H. If you aren’t up to speed you will be fined, I’m sure it is possible to re-programme the current speed cameras to enable this. 4. I would increase the amount of car parking available by tarmacing over Preston Park, The Level, St Anns Well Gardens, Victoria Gardens, Queens Park, in fact all green spaces, it would be free to park in these new zones. 5. I would also tarmac the beach; imagine how many car park spaces could be formed! After all what’s the point in having a beach if people can’t get to Brighton because they can’t park?! Actually while I’m at it I would also demolish Brighton Pavilion and build a 15 storey car park. These greens don’t get that if people can’t park their cars easily and for free they won’t come to Brighton, ruining business. 6. I would also remove pavements, pedestrians slow the driver down, all that crossing the road and stuff, don’t they realise the roads are for cars!? If people want to go to a shop they will be able to drive and park right outside of it. This would improve business no end, it would be like ordering off the internet. No worrying about going outside or other people annoying you, straight out of your car, straight in your shop of choice, straight back home again. Obviously some shops are too narrow to drive to, such as those in the Lanes. In this case demolish just enough building to make room for the cars to get access. The greens say no cars in the Lanes; I say make the Lanes car lanes. 7. I would then, as the pièce de résistance, remove all the different obstacles that get in the way of the hard working driver, so cars are free to move around freely at speeds without any congestion. This would include things such as: traffic lights, pedestrian crossings, zebra crossings, speed humps, double yellow lines etc etc. There would be nothing stopping the keen driver cruising along peacefully as they drive the 1 mile journey to drop the kids off at school. This would obviously lead to massive improvements for business and normal everyday hard working people. Traffic would flow freely everywhere helping to restore Brighton to the once peaceful quaint seaside fishing village it used to be, before it got all busy, and run down. peteb21

9:33am Tue 3 Dec 13

Morpheus says...

roystony wrote:
I can't believe they are doing this. The greens just do what they want. They have changed far too many road systems and the benifits have been minimal. I have never seen a cyclist on the old shoreham road and the narrow roads are dangerous. They must be using the money from parking fines and charges. Don't the public have a say?

Another thing is how dangerous these puffin crossings are, they must have spent a fortune replacing the pelican ones.
I agree entirely about Puffin crossings. Try getting any sense out of the council or the DofT about them though and they will not admit that they are a failure. But have you noticed that not any more are being installed, especially in London. A major mistake that nobody will admit to.
[quote][p][bold]roystony[/bold] wrote: I can't believe they are doing this. The greens just do what they want. They have changed far too many road systems and the benifits have been minimal. I have never seen a cyclist on the old shoreham road and the narrow roads are dangerous. They must be using the money from parking fines and charges. Don't the public have a say? Another thing is how dangerous these puffin crossings are, they must have spent a fortune replacing the pelican ones.[/p][/quote]I agree entirely about Puffin crossings. Try getting any sense out of the council or the DofT about them though and they will not admit that they are a failure. But have you noticed that not any more are being installed, especially in London. A major mistake that nobody will admit to. Morpheus

9:35am Tue 3 Dec 13

PJW Brighton says...

peteb21 wrote:
Time to make another appeal for my Brighton Pro Car Party:

Who wants to join me in my Brighton Pro Car Party? I’ve had enough of these pesky greens making driving a nightmare. I have definitely noticed at least a tenfold increase in the time it takes me to drive from, say Churchill Square car park to my house by Seven Dials and I’ve had enough of it!

1. First off, obviously, I would remove any kind of cycling infrastructure, any cycle shops would be bulldozed and car parks built in their place. It’s a well-known fact that cyclists don’t pay road tax, the scum that they are don’t think they should, well they don’t get to use the roads then. They cycle the wrong way down one way roads, through red lights, thinking they are above the law causing all kinds of mayhem and destruction. Cars drivers can’t do it and that just isn’t fair, despite how much I really wish I could get away with it.

2. Secondly I think buses have no place on the roads either. It’s obvious that they are just a waste of money and cause more congestion and fumes. I would scrap buses. Bus lanes would become the sole preserve of people wanting to make journeys of less than one mile. This will mean that short journey can be made in double quick times, meaning less traffic on the roads, simple!

3. I would remove the 20 mph speed limits and make them speed minimums; the same would apply to all other current speed limits in B&H. If you aren’t up to speed you will be fined, I’m sure it is possible to re-programme the current speed cameras to enable this.

4. I would increase the amount of car parking available by tarmacing over Preston Park, The Level, St Anns Well Gardens, Victoria Gardens, Queens Park, in fact all green spaces, it would be free to park in these new zones.

5. I would also tarmac the beach; imagine how many car park spaces could be formed! After all what’s the point in having a beach if people can’t get to Brighton because they can’t park?! Actually while I’m at it I would also demolish Brighton Pavilion and build a 15 storey car park. These greens don’t get that if people can’t park their cars easily and for free they won’t come to Brighton, ruining business.

6. I would also remove pavements, pedestrians slow the driver down, all that crossing the road and stuff, don’t they realise the roads are for cars!? If people want to go to a shop they will be able to drive and park right outside of it. This would improve business no end, it would be like ordering off the internet. No worrying about going outside or other people annoying you, straight out of your car, straight in your shop of choice, straight back home again. Obviously some shops are too narrow to drive to, such as those in the Lanes. In this case demolish just enough building to make room for the cars to get access. The greens say no cars in the Lanes; I say make the Lanes car lanes.

7. I would then, as the pièce de résistance, remove all the different obstacles that get in the way of the hard working driver, so cars are free to move around freely at speeds without any congestion. This would include things such as: traffic lights, pedestrian crossings, zebra crossings, speed humps, double yellow lines etc etc. There would be nothing stopping the keen driver cruising along peacefully as they drive the 1 mile journey to drop the kids off at school.

This would obviously lead to massive improvements for business and normal everyday hard working people. Traffic would flow freely everywhere helping to restore Brighton to the once peaceful quaint seaside fishing village it used to be, before it got all busy, and run down.
You need to join Unchain the Brighton Motorist - this sounds right up their speed-limit free street!
[quote][p][bold]peteb21[/bold] wrote: Time to make another appeal for my Brighton Pro Car Party: Who wants to join me in my Brighton Pro Car Party? I’ve had enough of these pesky greens making driving a nightmare. I have definitely noticed at least a tenfold increase in the time it takes me to drive from, say Churchill Square car park to my house by Seven Dials and I’ve had enough of it! 1. First off, obviously, I would remove any kind of cycling infrastructure, any cycle shops would be bulldozed and car parks built in their place. It’s a well-known fact that cyclists don’t pay road tax, the scum that they are don’t think they should, well they don’t get to use the roads then. They cycle the wrong way down one way roads, through red lights, thinking they are above the law causing all kinds of mayhem and destruction. Cars drivers can’t do it and that just isn’t fair, despite how much I really wish I could get away with it. 2. Secondly I think buses have no place on the roads either. It’s obvious that they are just a waste of money and cause more congestion and fumes. I would scrap buses. Bus lanes would become the sole preserve of people wanting to make journeys of less than one mile. This will mean that short journey can be made in double quick times, meaning less traffic on the roads, simple! 3. I would remove the 20 mph speed limits and make them speed minimums; the same would apply to all other current speed limits in B&H. If you aren’t up to speed you will be fined, I’m sure it is possible to re-programme the current speed cameras to enable this. 4. I would increase the amount of car parking available by tarmacing over Preston Park, The Level, St Anns Well Gardens, Victoria Gardens, Queens Park, in fact all green spaces, it would be free to park in these new zones. 5. I would also tarmac the beach; imagine how many car park spaces could be formed! After all what’s the point in having a beach if people can’t get to Brighton because they can’t park?! Actually while I’m at it I would also demolish Brighton Pavilion and build a 15 storey car park. These greens don’t get that if people can’t park their cars easily and for free they won’t come to Brighton, ruining business. 6. I would also remove pavements, pedestrians slow the driver down, all that crossing the road and stuff, don’t they realise the roads are for cars!? If people want to go to a shop they will be able to drive and park right outside of it. This would improve business no end, it would be like ordering off the internet. No worrying about going outside or other people annoying you, straight out of your car, straight in your shop of choice, straight back home again. Obviously some shops are too narrow to drive to, such as those in the Lanes. In this case demolish just enough building to make room for the cars to get access. The greens say no cars in the Lanes; I say make the Lanes car lanes. 7. I would then, as the pièce de résistance, remove all the different obstacles that get in the way of the hard working driver, so cars are free to move around freely at speeds without any congestion. This would include things such as: traffic lights, pedestrian crossings, zebra crossings, speed humps, double yellow lines etc etc. There would be nothing stopping the keen driver cruising along peacefully as they drive the 1 mile journey to drop the kids off at school. This would obviously lead to massive improvements for business and normal everyday hard working people. Traffic would flow freely everywhere helping to restore Brighton to the once peaceful quaint seaside fishing village it used to be, before it got all busy, and run down.[/p][/quote]You need to join Unchain the Brighton Motorist - this sounds right up their speed-limit free street! PJW Brighton

9:45am Tue 3 Dec 13

micklin says...

Skidrow wrote:
Combined bus cycle and taxi lane eh? How many cyclists have died under buses in London this year? Another Great Green idea.
and taxis
[quote][p][bold]Skidrow[/bold] wrote: Combined bus cycle and taxi lane eh? How many cyclists have died under buses in London this year? Another Great Green idea.[/p][/quote]and taxis micklin

9:51am Tue 3 Dec 13

HJarrs says...

PJW Brighton wrote:
peteb21 wrote:
Time to make another appeal for my Brighton Pro Car Party:

Who wants to join me in my Brighton Pro Car Party? I’ve had enough of these pesky greens making driving a nightmare. I have definitely noticed at least a tenfold increase in the time it takes me to drive from, say Churchill Square car park to my house by Seven Dials and I’ve had enough of it!

1. First off, obviously, I would remove any kind of cycling infrastructure, any cycle shops would be bulldozed and car parks built in their place. It’s a well-known fact that cyclists don’t pay road tax, the scum that they are don’t think they should, well they don’t get to use the roads then. They cycle the wrong way down one way roads, through red lights, thinking they are above the law causing all kinds of mayhem and destruction. Cars drivers can’t do it and that just isn’t fair, despite how much I really wish I could get away with it.

2. Secondly I think buses have no place on the roads either. It’s obvious that they are just a waste of money and cause more congestion and fumes. I would scrap buses. Bus lanes would become the sole preserve of people wanting to make journeys of less than one mile. This will mean that short journey can be made in double quick times, meaning less traffic on the roads, simple!

3. I would remove the 20 mph speed limits and make them speed minimums; the same would apply to all other current speed limits in B&H. If you aren’t up to speed you will be fined, I’m sure it is possible to re-programme the current speed cameras to enable this.

4. I would increase the amount of car parking available by tarmacing over Preston Park, The Level, St Anns Well Gardens, Victoria Gardens, Queens Park, in fact all green spaces, it would be free to park in these new zones.

5. I would also tarmac the beach; imagine how many car park spaces could be formed! After all what’s the point in having a beach if people can’t get to Brighton because they can’t park?! Actually while I’m at it I would also demolish Brighton Pavilion and build a 15 storey car park. These greens don’t get that if people can’t park their cars easily and for free they won’t come to Brighton, ruining business.

6. I would also remove pavements, pedestrians slow the driver down, all that crossing the road and stuff, don’t they realise the roads are for cars!? If people want to go to a shop they will be able to drive and park right outside of it. This would improve business no end, it would be like ordering off the internet. No worrying about going outside or other people annoying you, straight out of your car, straight in your shop of choice, straight back home again. Obviously some shops are too narrow to drive to, such as those in the Lanes. In this case demolish just enough building to make room for the cars to get access. The greens say no cars in the Lanes; I say make the Lanes car lanes.

7. I would then, as the pièce de résistance, remove all the different obstacles that get in the way of the hard working driver, so cars are free to move around freely at speeds without any congestion. This would include things such as: traffic lights, pedestrian crossings, zebra crossings, speed humps, double yellow lines etc etc. There would be nothing stopping the keen driver cruising along peacefully as they drive the 1 mile journey to drop the kids off at school.

This would obviously lead to massive improvements for business and normal everyday hard working people. Traffic would flow freely everywhere helping to restore Brighton to the once peaceful quaint seaside fishing village it used to be, before it got all busy, and run down.
You need to join Unchain the Brighton Motorist - this sounds right up their speed-limit free street!
I think this is straight out of the Driver's Union website.
[quote][p][bold]PJW Brighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peteb21[/bold] wrote: Time to make another appeal for my Brighton Pro Car Party: Who wants to join me in my Brighton Pro Car Party? I’ve had enough of these pesky greens making driving a nightmare. I have definitely noticed at least a tenfold increase in the time it takes me to drive from, say Churchill Square car park to my house by Seven Dials and I’ve had enough of it! 1. First off, obviously, I would remove any kind of cycling infrastructure, any cycle shops would be bulldozed and car parks built in their place. It’s a well-known fact that cyclists don’t pay road tax, the scum that they are don’t think they should, well they don’t get to use the roads then. They cycle the wrong way down one way roads, through red lights, thinking they are above the law causing all kinds of mayhem and destruction. Cars drivers can’t do it and that just isn’t fair, despite how much I really wish I could get away with it. 2. Secondly I think buses have no place on the roads either. It’s obvious that they are just a waste of money and cause more congestion and fumes. I would scrap buses. Bus lanes would become the sole preserve of people wanting to make journeys of less than one mile. This will mean that short journey can be made in double quick times, meaning less traffic on the roads, simple! 3. I would remove the 20 mph speed limits and make them speed minimums; the same would apply to all other current speed limits in B&H. If you aren’t up to speed you will be fined, I’m sure it is possible to re-programme the current speed cameras to enable this. 4. I would increase the amount of car parking available by tarmacing over Preston Park, The Level, St Anns Well Gardens, Victoria Gardens, Queens Park, in fact all green spaces, it would be free to park in these new zones. 5. I would also tarmac the beach; imagine how many car park spaces could be formed! After all what’s the point in having a beach if people can’t get to Brighton because they can’t park?! Actually while I’m at it I would also demolish Brighton Pavilion and build a 15 storey car park. These greens don’t get that if people can’t park their cars easily and for free they won’t come to Brighton, ruining business. 6. I would also remove pavements, pedestrians slow the driver down, all that crossing the road and stuff, don’t they realise the roads are for cars!? If people want to go to a shop they will be able to drive and park right outside of it. This would improve business no end, it would be like ordering off the internet. No worrying about going outside or other people annoying you, straight out of your car, straight in your shop of choice, straight back home again. Obviously some shops are too narrow to drive to, such as those in the Lanes. In this case demolish just enough building to make room for the cars to get access. The greens say no cars in the Lanes; I say make the Lanes car lanes. 7. I would then, as the pièce de résistance, remove all the different obstacles that get in the way of the hard working driver, so cars are free to move around freely at speeds without any congestion. This would include things such as: traffic lights, pedestrian crossings, zebra crossings, speed humps, double yellow lines etc etc. There would be nothing stopping the keen driver cruising along peacefully as they drive the 1 mile journey to drop the kids off at school. This would obviously lead to massive improvements for business and normal everyday hard working people. Traffic would flow freely everywhere helping to restore Brighton to the once peaceful quaint seaside fishing village it used to be, before it got all busy, and run down.[/p][/quote]You need to join Unchain the Brighton Motorist - this sounds right up their speed-limit free street![/p][/quote]I think this is straight out of the Driver's Union website. HJarrs

9:52am Tue 3 Dec 13

LargeAndInCharge says...

Nothing surprises me where the Greens are concerned. They know full well that they have absolutely no chance in hell of getting elected again, so they're just going to screw us as much as they can before they finally get chucked out.
Nothing surprises me where the Greens are concerned. They know full well that they have absolutely no chance in hell of getting elected again, so they're just going to screw us as much as they can before they finally get chucked out. LargeAndInCharge

9:59am Tue 3 Dec 13

Old Ladys Gin says...

peteb21 wrote:
Time to make another appeal for my Brighton Pro Car Party:

Who wants to join me in my Brighton Pro Car Party? I’ve had enough of these pesky greens making driving a nightmare. I have definitely noticed at least a tenfold increase in the time it takes me to drive from, say Churchill Square car park to my house by Seven Dials and I’ve had enough of it!

1. First off, obviously, I would remove any kind of cycling infrastructure, any cycle shops would be bulldozed and car parks built in their place. It’s a well-known fact that cyclists don’t pay road tax, the scum that they are don’t think they should, well they don’t get to use the roads then. They cycle the wrong way down one way roads, through red lights, thinking they are above the law causing all kinds of mayhem and destruction. Cars drivers can’t do it and that just isn’t fair, despite how much I really wish I could get away with it.

2. Secondly I think buses have no place on the roads either. It’s obvious that they are just a waste of money and cause more congestion and fumes. I would scrap buses. Bus lanes would become the sole preserve of people wanting to make journeys of less than one mile. This will mean that short journey can be made in double quick times, meaning less traffic on the roads, simple!

3. I would remove the 20 mph speed limits and make them speed minimums; the same would apply to all other current speed limits in B&H. If you aren’t up to speed you will be fined, I’m sure it is possible to re-programme the current speed cameras to enable this.

4. I would increase the amount of car parking available by tarmacing over Preston Park, The Level, St Anns Well Gardens, Victoria Gardens, Queens Park, in fact all green spaces, it would be free to park in these new zones.

5. I would also tarmac the beach; imagine how many car park spaces could be formed! After all what’s the point in having a beach if people can’t get to Brighton because they can’t park?! Actually while I’m at it I would also demolish Brighton Pavilion and build a 15 storey car park. These greens don’t get that if people can’t park their cars easily and for free they won’t come to Brighton, ruining business.

6. I would also remove pavements, pedestrians slow the driver down, all that crossing the road and stuff, don’t they realise the roads are for cars!? If people want to go to a shop they will be able to drive and park right outside of it. This would improve business no end, it would be like ordering off the internet. No worrying about going outside or other people annoying you, straight out of your car, straight in your shop of choice, straight back home again. Obviously some shops are too narrow to drive to, such as those in the Lanes. In this case demolish just enough building to make room for the cars to get access. The greens say no cars in the Lanes; I say make the Lanes car lanes.

7. I would then, as the pièce de résistance, remove all the different obstacles that get in the way of the hard working driver, so cars are free to move around freely at speeds without any congestion. This would include things such as: traffic lights, pedestrian crossings, zebra crossings, speed humps, double yellow lines etc etc. There would be nothing stopping the keen driver cruising along peacefully as they drive the 1 mile journey to drop the kids off at school.

This would obviously lead to massive improvements for business and normal everyday hard working people. Traffic would flow freely everywhere helping to restore Brighton to the once peaceful quaint seaside fishing village it used to be, before it got all busy, and run down.
'don’t pay road tax'

That's correct as you don't pay road tax.
In fact nobody has paid so called road tax since 1937 when it was abolished.
What you do pay is a tax because you have a car and that is based on the exhaust emissions.
[quote][p][bold]peteb21[/bold] wrote: Time to make another appeal for my Brighton Pro Car Party: Who wants to join me in my Brighton Pro Car Party? I’ve had enough of these pesky greens making driving a nightmare. I have definitely noticed at least a tenfold increase in the time it takes me to drive from, say Churchill Square car park to my house by Seven Dials and I’ve had enough of it! 1. First off, obviously, I would remove any kind of cycling infrastructure, any cycle shops would be bulldozed and car parks built in their place. It’s a well-known fact that cyclists don’t pay road tax, the scum that they are don’t think they should, well they don’t get to use the roads then. They cycle the wrong way down one way roads, through red lights, thinking they are above the law causing all kinds of mayhem and destruction. Cars drivers can’t do it and that just isn’t fair, despite how much I really wish I could get away with it. 2. Secondly I think buses have no place on the roads either. It’s obvious that they are just a waste of money and cause more congestion and fumes. I would scrap buses. Bus lanes would become the sole preserve of people wanting to make journeys of less than one mile. This will mean that short journey can be made in double quick times, meaning less traffic on the roads, simple! 3. I would remove the 20 mph speed limits and make them speed minimums; the same would apply to all other current speed limits in B&H. If you aren’t up to speed you will be fined, I’m sure it is possible to re-programme the current speed cameras to enable this. 4. I would increase the amount of car parking available by tarmacing over Preston Park, The Level, St Anns Well Gardens, Victoria Gardens, Queens Park, in fact all green spaces, it would be free to park in these new zones. 5. I would also tarmac the beach; imagine how many car park spaces could be formed! After all what’s the point in having a beach if people can’t get to Brighton because they can’t park?! Actually while I’m at it I would also demolish Brighton Pavilion and build a 15 storey car park. These greens don’t get that if people can’t park their cars easily and for free they won’t come to Brighton, ruining business. 6. I would also remove pavements, pedestrians slow the driver down, all that crossing the road and stuff, don’t they realise the roads are for cars!? If people want to go to a shop they will be able to drive and park right outside of it. This would improve business no end, it would be like ordering off the internet. No worrying about going outside or other people annoying you, straight out of your car, straight in your shop of choice, straight back home again. Obviously some shops are too narrow to drive to, such as those in the Lanes. In this case demolish just enough building to make room for the cars to get access. The greens say no cars in the Lanes; I say make the Lanes car lanes. 7. I would then, as the pièce de résistance, remove all the different obstacles that get in the way of the hard working driver, so cars are free to move around freely at speeds without any congestion. This would include things such as: traffic lights, pedestrian crossings, zebra crossings, speed humps, double yellow lines etc etc. There would be nothing stopping the keen driver cruising along peacefully as they drive the 1 mile journey to drop the kids off at school. This would obviously lead to massive improvements for business and normal everyday hard working people. Traffic would flow freely everywhere helping to restore Brighton to the once peaceful quaint seaside fishing village it used to be, before it got all busy, and run down.[/p][/quote]'don’t pay road tax' That's correct as you don't pay road tax. In fact nobody has paid so called road tax since 1937 when it was abolished. What you do pay is a tax because you have a car and that is based on the exhaust emissions. Old Ladys Gin

10:02am Tue 3 Dec 13

We are the 99% says...

I know many cyclists who are against what the Greens are doing!
An now, we have yet another scorched earth Green lunacy policy!
Counting the seconds till their demise!
Why can't we remove them now?
I know many cyclists who are against what the Greens are doing! An now, we have yet another scorched earth Green lunacy policy! Counting the seconds till their demise! Why can't we remove them now? We are the 99%

10:03am Tue 3 Dec 13

The Prophet of Doom says...

peteb21 wrote:
Time to make another appeal for my Brighton Pro Car Party:

Who wants to join me in my Brighton Pro Car Party? I’ve had enough of these pesky greens making driving a nightmare. I have definitely noticed at least a tenfold increase in the time it takes me to drive from, say Churchill Square car park to my house by Seven Dials and I’ve had enough of it!

1. First off, obviously, I would remove any kind of cycling infrastructure, any cycle shops would be bulldozed and car parks built in their place. It’s a well-known fact that cyclists don’t pay road tax, the scum that they are don’t think they should, well they don’t get to use the roads then. They cycle the wrong way down one way roads, through red lights, thinking they are above the law causing all kinds of mayhem and destruction. Cars drivers can’t do it and that just isn’t fair, despite how much I really wish I could get away with it.

2. Secondly I think buses have no place on the roads either. It’s obvious that they are just a waste of money and cause more congestion and fumes. I would scrap buses. Bus lanes would become the sole preserve of people wanting to make journeys of less than one mile. This will mean that short journey can be made in double quick times, meaning less traffic on the roads, simple!

3. I would remove the 20 mph speed limits and make them speed minimums; the same would apply to all other current speed limits in B&H. If you aren’t up to speed you will be fined, I’m sure it is possible to re-programme the current speed cameras to enable this.

4. I would increase the amount of car parking available by tarmacing over Preston Park, The Level, St Anns Well Gardens, Victoria Gardens, Queens Park, in fact all green spaces, it would be free to park in these new zones.

5. I would also tarmac the beach; imagine how many car park spaces could be formed! After all what’s the point in having a beach if people can’t get to Brighton because they can’t park?! Actually while I’m at it I would also demolish Brighton Pavilion and build a 15 storey car park. These greens don’t get that if people can’t park their cars easily and for free they won’t come to Brighton, ruining business.

6. I would also remove pavements, pedestrians slow the driver down, all that crossing the road and stuff, don’t they realise the roads are for cars!? If people want to go to a shop they will be able to drive and park right outside of it. This would improve business no end, it would be like ordering off the internet. No worrying about going outside or other people annoying you, straight out of your car, straight in your shop of choice, straight back home again. Obviously some shops are too narrow to drive to, such as those in the Lanes. In this case demolish just enough building to make room for the cars to get access. The greens say no cars in the Lanes; I say make the Lanes car lanes.

7. I would then, as the pièce de résistance, remove all the different obstacles that get in the way of the hard working driver, so cars are free to move around freely at speeds without any congestion. This would include things such as: traffic lights, pedestrian crossings, zebra crossings, speed humps, double yellow lines etc etc. There would be nothing stopping the keen driver cruising along peacefully as they drive the 1 mile journey to drop the kids off at school.

This would obviously lead to massive improvements for business and normal everyday hard working people. Traffic would flow freely everywhere helping to restore Brighton to the once peaceful quaint seaside fishing village it used to be, before it got all busy, and run down.
You've just described the average Scalextric set-up.
[quote][p][bold]peteb21[/bold] wrote: Time to make another appeal for my Brighton Pro Car Party: Who wants to join me in my Brighton Pro Car Party? I’ve had enough of these pesky greens making driving a nightmare. I have definitely noticed at least a tenfold increase in the time it takes me to drive from, say Churchill Square car park to my house by Seven Dials and I’ve had enough of it! 1. First off, obviously, I would remove any kind of cycling infrastructure, any cycle shops would be bulldozed and car parks built in their place. It’s a well-known fact that cyclists don’t pay road tax, the scum that they are don’t think they should, well they don’t get to use the roads then. They cycle the wrong way down one way roads, through red lights, thinking they are above the law causing all kinds of mayhem and destruction. Cars drivers can’t do it and that just isn’t fair, despite how much I really wish I could get away with it. 2. Secondly I think buses have no place on the roads either. It’s obvious that they are just a waste of money and cause more congestion and fumes. I would scrap buses. Bus lanes would become the sole preserve of people wanting to make journeys of less than one mile. This will mean that short journey can be made in double quick times, meaning less traffic on the roads, simple! 3. I would remove the 20 mph speed limits and make them speed minimums; the same would apply to all other current speed limits in B&H. If you aren’t up to speed you will be fined, I’m sure it is possible to re-programme the current speed cameras to enable this. 4. I would increase the amount of car parking available by tarmacing over Preston Park, The Level, St Anns Well Gardens, Victoria Gardens, Queens Park, in fact all green spaces, it would be free to park in these new zones. 5. I would also tarmac the beach; imagine how many car park spaces could be formed! After all what’s the point in having a beach if people can’t get to Brighton because they can’t park?! Actually while I’m at it I would also demolish Brighton Pavilion and build a 15 storey car park. These greens don’t get that if people can’t park their cars easily and for free they won’t come to Brighton, ruining business. 6. I would also remove pavements, pedestrians slow the driver down, all that crossing the road and stuff, don’t they realise the roads are for cars!? If people want to go to a shop they will be able to drive and park right outside of it. This would improve business no end, it would be like ordering off the internet. No worrying about going outside or other people annoying you, straight out of your car, straight in your shop of choice, straight back home again. Obviously some shops are too narrow to drive to, such as those in the Lanes. In this case demolish just enough building to make room for the cars to get access. The greens say no cars in the Lanes; I say make the Lanes car lanes. 7. I would then, as the pièce de résistance, remove all the different obstacles that get in the way of the hard working driver, so cars are free to move around freely at speeds without any congestion. This would include things such as: traffic lights, pedestrian crossings, zebra crossings, speed humps, double yellow lines etc etc. There would be nothing stopping the keen driver cruising along peacefully as they drive the 1 mile journey to drop the kids off at school. This would obviously lead to massive improvements for business and normal everyday hard working people. Traffic would flow freely everywhere helping to restore Brighton to the once peaceful quaint seaside fishing village it used to be, before it got all busy, and run down.[/p][/quote]You've just described the average Scalextric set-up. The Prophet of Doom

10:15am Tue 3 Dec 13

Kiddon72 says...

I always think it strange that whenever change is proposed in Brighton the planning and take up process moves with glacial slowness with countless unnecessary hurdles to overcome. Yet, whenever a new cycle or bus lane is mooted work seemingly starts overnight.
I always think it strange that whenever change is proposed in Brighton the planning and take up process moves with glacial slowness with countless unnecessary hurdles to overcome. Yet, whenever a new cycle or bus lane is mooted work seemingly starts overnight. Kiddon72

10:26am Tue 3 Dec 13

roystony says...

Morpheus wrote:
roystony wrote:
I can't believe they are doing this. The greens just do what they want. They have changed far too many road systems and the benifits have been minimal. I have never seen a cyclist on the old shoreham road and the narrow roads are dangerous. They must be using the money from parking fines and charges. Don't the public have a say?

Another thing is how dangerous these puffin crossings are, they must have spent a fortune replacing the pelican ones.
I agree entirely about Puffin crossings. Try getting any sense out of the council or the DofT about them though and they will not admit that they are a failure. But have you noticed that not any more are being installed, especially in London. A major mistake that nobody will admit to.
I did email Ian Davey but no response. Suppose we are just going to have to put up with them.

Some things should just be left or at least do one and see the responses/outcomes instead of changing the majority of the pelicans.
[quote][p][bold]Morpheus[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roystony[/bold] wrote: I can't believe they are doing this. The greens just do what they want. They have changed far too many road systems and the benifits have been minimal. I have never seen a cyclist on the old shoreham road and the narrow roads are dangerous. They must be using the money from parking fines and charges. Don't the public have a say? Another thing is how dangerous these puffin crossings are, they must have spent a fortune replacing the pelican ones.[/p][/quote]I agree entirely about Puffin crossings. Try getting any sense out of the council or the DofT about them though and they will not admit that they are a failure. But have you noticed that not any more are being installed, especially in London. A major mistake that nobody will admit to.[/p][/quote]I did email Ian Davey but no response. Suppose we are just going to have to put up with them. Some things should just be left or at least do one and see the responses/outcomes instead of changing the majority of the pelicans. roystony

10:49am Tue 3 Dec 13

J Hill says...

And I quote "Brighton and Hove City Council believes its changes to Edward Street, Brighton, will increase sustainable transport levels in the area." NO IT WON'T. It will turn Edward Street into a congested nightmare as what used to be an open and reasonably flowing dual carriageway road in and out of the center is transformed into single lanes each way. If you dare drive into the bus or cycle lane you'll get fined. I have never ever been politically minded nor bothered by the general going on of local councils but this current council that Brighton has had thrust upon it makes my blood boil on a weekly basis. They appear to be hell bent on destroying tourism, livelihoods, local businesses, history and Brighton itself. They are constantly lining their own pockets through idiotic schemes and don't seem to have any morals or allegiance to this great resort of ours. Brighton's been painted by Turner and Constable, it's been visited by Royalty for centuries, people flock to it including the rich and famous, it's been written about and featured in many novels and films. t's history is something that should be preserved and not sold off or knocked down at any given point. Brighton's unique and I am seriously fed up with the lack of respect it's own council are giving it. They are running riot and have gone power mad, they need to be brought down.
And I quote "Brighton and Hove City Council believes its changes to Edward Street, Brighton, will increase sustainable transport levels in the area." NO IT WON'T. It will turn Edward Street into a congested nightmare as what used to be an open and reasonably flowing dual carriageway road in and out of the center is transformed into single lanes each way. If you dare drive into the bus or cycle lane you'll get fined. I have never ever been politically minded nor bothered by the general going on of local councils but this current council that Brighton has had thrust upon it makes my blood boil on a weekly basis. They appear to be hell bent on destroying tourism, livelihoods, local businesses, history and Brighton itself. They are constantly lining their own pockets through idiotic schemes and don't seem to have any morals or allegiance to this great resort of ours. Brighton's been painted by Turner and Constable, it's been visited by Royalty for centuries, people flock to it including the rich and famous, it's been written about and featured in many novels and films. t's history is something that should be preserved and not sold off or knocked down at any given point. Brighton's unique and I am seriously fed up with the lack of respect it's own council are giving it. They are running riot and have gone power mad, they need to be brought down. J Hill

11:08am Tue 3 Dec 13

Man of steel says...

Old Ladys Gin says...
That's correct as you don't pay road tax.
In fact nobody has paid so called road tax since 1937 when it was abolished.

It was not abolished, it had a name change, suggested by Winston Churchill, from "Road Tax" to "Vehicle Excise Duty" so that the monies collected then went into the general fund, so that it could then be spent on more than just the repair and building of roads.
It does not matter what you call it, it is a tax to enable you to use the car on the road, if you do not pay for it, it is illegal to use your car on the road, therefore, in all but name, it is a road tax.
Old Ladys Gin says... That's correct as you don't pay road tax. In fact nobody has paid so called road tax since 1937 when it was abolished. It was not abolished, it had a name change, suggested by Winston Churchill, from "Road Tax" to "Vehicle Excise Duty" so that the monies collected then went into the general fund, so that it could then be spent on more than just the repair and building of roads. It does not matter what you call it, it is a tax to enable you to use the car on the road, if you do not pay for it, it is illegal to use your car on the road, therefore, in all but name, it is a road tax. Man of steel

11:22am Tue 3 Dec 13

peteb21 says...

Call it what you like. The simple fact is that all cyclists are lazy, tax avoiding law breakers, creating untold misery for the hard working, tax paying, always law abiding driver.

You never see or hear about drivers not paying tax (of whatever kind), and you never see or hear about hard working drivers breaking rules of the road.

I get so irate when I see a cyclist ride the wrong way down a one way road, knowing their innate bone idle laziness means they get to avoid all the congestion I can’t.
Call it what you like. The simple fact is that all cyclists are lazy, tax avoiding law breakers, creating untold misery for the hard working, tax paying, always law abiding driver. You never see or hear about drivers not paying tax (of whatever kind), and you never see or hear about hard working drivers breaking rules of the road. I get so irate when I see a cyclist ride the wrong way down a one way road, knowing their innate bone idle laziness means they get to avoid all the congestion I can’t. peteb21

11:41am Tue 3 Dec 13

wippasnapper says...

I wonder will they also be improving the many dropped curbs along the root as most are dangerous to the many elderly and disabled persons using them!

Witch brings me to a point this green council have put cyclist safety above all others i.e. children, elderly and disabled people of this city and yet this green council and the police have dun nothing to stop the cyclist riding erratically and dangerously on the pavements! Let alone on the roads and watts more frustrating is the many cyclist that use the roads at night without any lights to witch is a criminal offence! And yet they go ahead with there seams using the words “To improve cyclist and pedestrian safety”.
I wonder will they also be improving the many dropped curbs along the root as most are dangerous to the many elderly and disabled persons using them! Witch brings me to a point this green council have put cyclist safety above all others i.e. children, elderly and disabled people of this city and yet this green council and the police have dun nothing to stop the cyclist riding erratically and dangerously on the pavements! Let alone on the roads and watts more frustrating is the many cyclist that use the roads at night without any lights to witch is a criminal offence! And yet they go ahead with there seams using the words “To improve cyclist and pedestrian safety”. wippasnapper

12:46pm Tue 3 Dec 13

Gribbet says...

Man of steel wrote:
Old Ladys Gin says...
That's correct as you don't pay road tax.
In fact nobody has paid so called road tax since 1937 when it was abolished.

It was not abolished, it had a name change, suggested by Winston Churchill, from "Road Tax" to "Vehicle Excise Duty" so that the monies collected then went into the general fund, so that it could then be spent on more than just the repair and building of roads.
It does not matter what you call it, it is a tax to enable you to use the car on the road, if you do not pay for it, it is illegal to use your car on the road, therefore, in all but name, it is a road tax.
No, it's actually a tax on engine size for old vehicles and CO2 emissions for newer ones. More importantly it isn't ring-fenced for paying for the upkeep of the roads, so it's just absorbed into general taxation. Furthermore, the total amount of VED collected each year wouldn't even come close to covering the cost of the upkeep of UKs roads. If car drivers were exclusively made to pay for the roads, there'd be hardly any traffic because most would be priced out of driving a car altogether, so it's lucky for the drivers that costs are covered by everyone including the cyclists and the pedestrians. Drivers owe a debt of gratitude to the wider tax paying public.
[quote][p][bold]Man of steel[/bold] wrote: Old Ladys Gin says... That's correct as you don't pay road tax. In fact nobody has paid so called road tax since 1937 when it was abolished. It was not abolished, it had a name change, suggested by Winston Churchill, from "Road Tax" to "Vehicle Excise Duty" so that the monies collected then went into the general fund, so that it could then be spent on more than just the repair and building of roads. It does not matter what you call it, it is a tax to enable you to use the car on the road, if you do not pay for it, it is illegal to use your car on the road, therefore, in all but name, it is a road tax.[/p][/quote]No, it's actually a tax on engine size for old vehicles and CO2 emissions for newer ones. More importantly it isn't ring-fenced for paying for the upkeep of the roads, so it's just absorbed into general taxation. Furthermore, the total amount of VED collected each year wouldn't even come close to covering the cost of the upkeep of UKs roads. If car drivers were exclusively made to pay for the roads, there'd be hardly any traffic because most would be priced out of driving a car altogether, so it's lucky for the drivers that costs are covered by everyone including the cyclists and the pedestrians. Drivers owe a debt of gratitude to the wider tax paying public. Gribbet

12:53pm Tue 3 Dec 13

heartthrob says...

I'm a driver who uses this road daily and I have to say that the current mix of cars and cyclists isnt working. Im actually for this road having seperate cycle lanes for once. Seems a bit weird to have it shared with buses but it might stop the casual parkers who require bikes to swerve in to the main traffic and the outcome should be better for all of the road users.
I'm a driver who uses this road daily and I have to say that the current mix of cars and cyclists isnt working. Im actually for this road having seperate cycle lanes for once. Seems a bit weird to have it shared with buses but it might stop the casual parkers who require bikes to swerve in to the main traffic and the outcome should be better for all of the road users. heartthrob

1:04pm Tue 3 Dec 13

Bob_The_Ferret says...

In the original plans for this fiasco on Edward Street, the council officers made no allowance for vehicles which need to stop to load. It was only because the objections to the traffic order would have required them to hold a public enquiry that they grudgingly conceded to include a few loading bays on the route.
In the original plans for this fiasco on Edward Street, the council officers made no allowance for vehicles which need to stop to load. It was only because the objections to the traffic order would have required them to hold a public enquiry that they grudgingly conceded to include a few loading bays on the route. Bob_The_Ferret

1:06pm Tue 3 Dec 13

Wiggsy says...

Brightonlad86 wrote:
Just moved to Haywards Heath. We have no bus/cycle lanes, cheap/free parking, very little congestion and less idiots crossing the road with they're eyes glued to a phone. It almost feels like heaven. Oh, and everyone just seems happier.
I moved from HH because ultimately I became bored there; there is congestion (HH Station, South Road, Muster Green, Franklynn Road, Paddockhall Road) and every piece of green space is being built upon with no infrastructure to support the influx.
[quote][p][bold]Brightonlad86[/bold] wrote: Just moved to Haywards Heath. We have no bus/cycle lanes, cheap/free parking, very little congestion and less idiots crossing the road with they're eyes glued to a phone. It almost feels like heaven. Oh, and everyone just seems happier.[/p][/quote]I moved from HH because ultimately I became bored there; there is congestion (HH Station, South Road, Muster Green, Franklynn Road, Paddockhall Road) and every piece of green space is being built upon with no infrastructure to support the influx. Wiggsy

1:10pm Tue 3 Dec 13

PorkBoat says...

Peteb21, I'm with you all the way.
Peteb21, I'm with you all the way. PorkBoat

2:04pm Tue 3 Dec 13

Sir Prised says...

Gribbet wrote:
Man of steel wrote:
Old Ladys Gin says...
That's correct as you don't pay road tax.
In fact nobody has paid so called road tax since 1937 when it was abolished.

It was not abolished, it had a name change, suggested by Winston Churchill, from "Road Tax" to "Vehicle Excise Duty" so that the monies collected then went into the general fund, so that it could then be spent on more than just the repair and building of roads.
It does not matter what you call it, it is a tax to enable you to use the car on the road, if you do not pay for it, it is illegal to use your car on the road, therefore, in all but name, it is a road tax.
No, it's actually a tax on engine size for old vehicles and CO2 emissions for newer ones. More importantly it isn't ring-fenced for paying for the upkeep of the roads, so it's just absorbed into general taxation. Furthermore, the total amount of VED collected each year wouldn't even come close to covering the cost of the upkeep of UKs roads. If car drivers were exclusively made to pay for the roads, there'd be hardly any traffic because most would be priced out of driving a car altogether, so it's lucky for the drivers that costs are covered by everyone including the cyclists and the pedestrians. Drivers owe a debt of gratitude to the wider tax paying public.
Are you including fuel duty in your sums?
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Man of steel[/bold] wrote: Old Ladys Gin says... That's correct as you don't pay road tax. In fact nobody has paid so called road tax since 1937 when it was abolished. It was not abolished, it had a name change, suggested by Winston Churchill, from "Road Tax" to "Vehicle Excise Duty" so that the monies collected then went into the general fund, so that it could then be spent on more than just the repair and building of roads. It does not matter what you call it, it is a tax to enable you to use the car on the road, if you do not pay for it, it is illegal to use your car on the road, therefore, in all but name, it is a road tax.[/p][/quote]No, it's actually a tax on engine size for old vehicles and CO2 emissions for newer ones. More importantly it isn't ring-fenced for paying for the upkeep of the roads, so it's just absorbed into general taxation. Furthermore, the total amount of VED collected each year wouldn't even come close to covering the cost of the upkeep of UKs roads. If car drivers were exclusively made to pay for the roads, there'd be hardly any traffic because most would be priced out of driving a car altogether, so it's lucky for the drivers that costs are covered by everyone including the cyclists and the pedestrians. Drivers owe a debt of gratitude to the wider tax paying public.[/p][/quote]Are you including fuel duty in your sums? Sir Prised

2:34pm Tue 3 Dec 13

Bill in Hanover says...

CliveA wrote:
How many times has the Argus run stories that mention cyclists riding the wrong way down St James St? And cross does that make people?
The good thing about this bit of news is that it stands a chance of alleviating a problem many people clearly feel so strongly about. Why do some cyclists decide to cycle west along St James Street? Lack of safe convenient alternatives. So here we are.
Sounds like a good move.
I suppose the cycle lane on the seafront could be classed as a 'safe convenient alternative' but then he lazy so and so's who go along St. James St. would have to pedal an extra 50 yards to get there. And are you saying that cycling the wrong way down that road is safe, especially as there ae a number of bus routes along there.
[quote][p][bold]CliveA[/bold] wrote: How many times has the Argus run stories that mention cyclists riding the wrong way down St James St? And cross does that make people? The good thing about this bit of news is that it stands a chance of alleviating a problem many people clearly feel so strongly about. Why do some cyclists decide to cycle west along St James Street? Lack of safe convenient alternatives. So here we are. Sounds like a good move.[/p][/quote]I suppose the cycle lane on the seafront could be classed as a 'safe convenient alternative' but then he lazy so and so's who go along St. James St. would have to pedal an extra 50 yards to get there. And are you saying that cycling the wrong way down that road is safe, especially as there ae a number of bus routes along there. Bill in Hanover

2:40pm Tue 3 Dec 13

gheese77 says...

I regularly cycle down Edward street, it can actually be quite dangerous.
The dual carriageway layout encourages some drivers to go to fast and also some drivers park illegally on double yellow lines which increases the danger as it forces you to pull out. The planners wrecked this area back in the 1960s I am just glad something is being done to put this right.
I regularly cycle down Edward street, it can actually be quite dangerous. The dual carriageway layout encourages some drivers to go to fast and also some drivers park illegally on double yellow lines which increases the danger as it forces you to pull out. The planners wrecked this area back in the 1960s I am just glad something is being done to put this right. gheese77

2:51pm Tue 3 Dec 13

gheese77 says...

Bill in Hanover wrote:
CliveA wrote:
How many times has the Argus run stories that mention cyclists riding the wrong way down St James St? And cross does that make people?
The good thing about this bit of news is that it stands a chance of alleviating a problem many people clearly feel so strongly about. Why do some cyclists decide to cycle west along St James Street? Lack of safe convenient alternatives. So here we are.
Sounds like a good move.
I suppose the cycle lane on the seafront could be classed as a 'safe convenient alternative' but then he lazy so and so's who go along St. James St. would have to pedal an extra 50 yards to get there. And are you saying that cycling the wrong way down that road is safe, especially as there ae a number of bus routes along there.
By the same warped logic you could consider the seafront road an alternative route for cars, so Edward street could be closed completely to private motor vehicles.
[quote][p][bold]Bill in Hanover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CliveA[/bold] wrote: How many times has the Argus run stories that mention cyclists riding the wrong way down St James St? And cross does that make people? The good thing about this bit of news is that it stands a chance of alleviating a problem many people clearly feel so strongly about. Why do some cyclists decide to cycle west along St James Street? Lack of safe convenient alternatives. So here we are. Sounds like a good move.[/p][/quote]I suppose the cycle lane on the seafront could be classed as a 'safe convenient alternative' but then he lazy so and so's who go along St. James St. would have to pedal an extra 50 yards to get there. And are you saying that cycling the wrong way down that road is safe, especially as there ae a number of bus routes along there.[/p][/quote]By the same warped logic you could consider the seafront road an alternative route for cars, so Edward street could be closed completely to private motor vehicles. gheese77

4:04pm Tue 3 Dec 13

guyfurness says...

I went to college in Brighton, lived in Brighton for several years (including in Upper Rock Gardens right near where this latest travesty is taking place), lived in Sussex most of my life since the age of four, and now live just outside Brighton.

I've seen Brighton rise up out of the dark days of the 1980s when circumstances brought it to its knees. It went on to become known both nationally and internationally as a unique, vibrant, thriving place to live and to visit. It's so upsetting now to see the city being brought down once again to another really low point in its history, not by events outside its control but by the intentional short-sighted, so-called 'green' agenda of this bloody- minded, arrogant and deluded City Council. The pace of change in itself is terrifying. And the nature of the change is depressing. The ambience of the city has changed so much recently - the overbearing presence of local government and their "improvements" is absolutely everywhere and one gets a real, palpable sense of not being welcome as one drives in through the now almost constant traffic jams.

I consider Brighton to be my home city and I love the place, but I've recently moved my business out because of traffic and parking fees and fines, and I rarely go there at all these days.

Brighton isn't just dying, it's being killed, and not by competitors or other outsiders, but by the very people who have been entrusted with its care. I do hope the people who still live and work in Brighton & Hove wake up and chuck this council out, before it's too late.
I went to college in Brighton, lived in Brighton for several years (including in Upper Rock Gardens right near where this latest travesty is taking place), lived in Sussex most of my life since the age of four, and now live just outside Brighton. I've seen Brighton rise up out of the dark days of the 1980s when circumstances brought it to its knees. It went on to become known both nationally and internationally as a unique, vibrant, thriving place to live and to visit. It's so upsetting now to see the city being brought down once again to another really low point in its history, not by events outside its control but by the intentional short-sighted, so-called 'green' agenda of this bloody- minded, arrogant and deluded City Council. The pace of change in itself is terrifying. And the nature of the change is depressing. The ambience of the city has changed so much recently - the overbearing presence of local government and their "improvements" is absolutely everywhere and one gets a real, palpable sense of not being welcome as one drives in through the now almost constant traffic jams. I consider Brighton to be my home city and I love the place, but I've recently moved my business out because of traffic and parking fees and fines, and I rarely go there at all these days. Brighton isn't just dying, it's being killed, and not by competitors or other outsiders, but by the very people who have been entrusted with its care. I do hope the people who still live and work in Brighton & Hove wake up and chuck this council out, before it's too late. guyfurness

5:57pm Tue 3 Dec 13

PETE OF QUEENS PARK says...

It would be a lot better if the stupid greens got off of their arses and had a look around the city and spent the monies mending the roads instead of making them worse just go up Edward street and turn left up Egremont place and they will see what a state the road is in and carry on round the bend into Queens Park road it is like a third world countries cart track its been dug up by just about everybody gas, water, power and BT and none of them replace it properly and that is only starters.
It would be a lot better if the stupid greens got off of their arses and had a look around the city and spent the monies mending the roads instead of making them worse just go up Edward street and turn left up Egremont place and they will see what a state the road is in and carry on round the bend into Queens Park road it is like a third world countries cart track its been dug up by just about everybody gas, water, power and BT and none of them replace it properly and that is only starters. PETE OF QUEENS PARK

10:00pm Tue 3 Dec 13

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! says...

gheese77 wrote:
I regularly cycle down Edward street, it can actually be quite dangerous.
The dual carriageway layout encourages some drivers to go to fast and also some drivers park illegally on double yellow lines which increases the danger as it forces you to pull out. The planners wrecked this area back in the 1960s I am just glad something is being done to put this right.
You should try using a car like most other people. Funnily they tend to be both practical and safe notwithstanding the ridiculous attempts of the greens to throttle speed and create congestion, leading to delays, frustration and risk taking.
[quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: I regularly cycle down Edward street, it can actually be quite dangerous. The dual carriageway layout encourages some drivers to go to fast and also some drivers park illegally on double yellow lines which increases the danger as it forces you to pull out. The planners wrecked this area back in the 1960s I am just glad something is being done to put this right.[/p][/quote]You should try using a car like most other people. Funnily they tend to be both practical and safe notwithstanding the ridiculous attempts of the greens to throttle speed and create congestion, leading to delays, frustration and risk taking. I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars!

10:08pm Tue 3 Dec 13

tekniko says...

Ha, a critical route to the A&E!
Ha, a critical route to the A&E! tekniko

11:17pm Tue 3 Dec 13

Gribbet says...

Sir Prised wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Man of steel wrote:
Old Ladys Gin says...
That's correct as you don't pay road tax.
In fact nobody has paid so called road tax since 1937 when it was abolished.

It was not abolished, it had a name change, suggested by Winston Churchill, from "Road Tax" to "Vehicle Excise Duty" so that the monies collected then went into the general fund, so that it could then be spent on more than just the repair and building of roads.
It does not matter what you call it, it is a tax to enable you to use the car on the road, if you do not pay for it, it is illegal to use your car on the road, therefore, in all but name, it is a road tax.
No, it's actually a tax on engine size for old vehicles and CO2 emissions for newer ones. More importantly it isn't ring-fenced for paying for the upkeep of the roads, so it's just absorbed into general taxation. Furthermore, the total amount of VED collected each year wouldn't even come close to covering the cost of the upkeep of UKs roads. If car drivers were exclusively made to pay for the roads, there'd be hardly any traffic because most would be priced out of driving a car altogether, so it's lucky for the drivers that costs are covered by everyone including the cyclists and the pedestrians. Drivers owe a debt of gratitude to the wider tax paying public.
Are you including fuel duty in your sums?
Also absorbed into general taxation and not ring-fenced for paying for the roads. In a nutshell, the upkeep of the roads is paid for by everyone's tax contributions, not just motorists tax contrbutions which is the main piece of misinformation that motorists cling to to make themselves feel that they have more entitlement to use the road than cyclists.
[quote][p][bold]Sir Prised[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Man of steel[/bold] wrote: Old Ladys Gin says... That's correct as you don't pay road tax. In fact nobody has paid so called road tax since 1937 when it was abolished. It was not abolished, it had a name change, suggested by Winston Churchill, from "Road Tax" to "Vehicle Excise Duty" so that the monies collected then went into the general fund, so that it could then be spent on more than just the repair and building of roads. It does not matter what you call it, it is a tax to enable you to use the car on the road, if you do not pay for it, it is illegal to use your car on the road, therefore, in all but name, it is a road tax.[/p][/quote]No, it's actually a tax on engine size for old vehicles and CO2 emissions for newer ones. More importantly it isn't ring-fenced for paying for the upkeep of the roads, so it's just absorbed into general taxation. Furthermore, the total amount of VED collected each year wouldn't even come close to covering the cost of the upkeep of UKs roads. If car drivers were exclusively made to pay for the roads, there'd be hardly any traffic because most would be priced out of driving a car altogether, so it's lucky for the drivers that costs are covered by everyone including the cyclists and the pedestrians. Drivers owe a debt of gratitude to the wider tax paying public.[/p][/quote]Are you including fuel duty in your sums?[/p][/quote]Also absorbed into general taxation and not ring-fenced for paying for the roads. In a nutshell, the upkeep of the roads is paid for by everyone's tax contributions, not just motorists tax contrbutions which is the main piece of misinformation that motorists cling to to make themselves feel that they have more entitlement to use the road than cyclists. Gribbet

9:44am Wed 4 Dec 13

RobO. says...

peteb21 wrote:
Call it what you like. The simple fact is that all cyclists are lazy, tax avoiding law breakers, creating untold misery for the hard working, tax paying, always law abiding driver.

You never see or hear about drivers not paying tax (of whatever kind), and you never see or hear about hard working drivers breaking rules of the road.

I get so irate when I see a cyclist ride the wrong way down a one way road, knowing their innate bone idle laziness means they get to avoid all the congestion I can’t.
This is fantastic - Cyclists using pedal power to propel them along are branded lazy compared to drivers who sit on their arses and burn fossil fuels!

There's plenty of arguments on both sides of this debate, but if you're going to make a contribution it might be worth thinking it though first!
[quote][p][bold]peteb21[/bold] wrote: Call it what you like. The simple fact is that all cyclists are lazy, tax avoiding law breakers, creating untold misery for the hard working, tax paying, always law abiding driver. You never see or hear about drivers not paying tax (of whatever kind), and you never see or hear about hard working drivers breaking rules of the road. I get so irate when I see a cyclist ride the wrong way down a one way road, knowing their innate bone idle laziness means they get to avoid all the congestion I can’t.[/p][/quote]This is fantastic - Cyclists using pedal power to propel them along are branded lazy compared to drivers who sit on their arses and burn fossil fuels! There's plenty of arguments on both sides of this debate, but if you're going to make a contribution it might be worth thinking it though first! RobO.

10:23am Wed 4 Dec 13

Mr.Logical1 says...

the Council doesn't need Council Tax to pay for barmy road schemes, it takes tens of millions of pounds from hard working, multiple-tax paying, innocent citizens as well as visitors. And I utterly refuse to support the foul monopoly that is Brighton & Hove Buses and I refuse to support the Green party.
The green is mould, and it stinks.
the Council doesn't need Council Tax to pay for barmy road schemes, it takes tens of millions of pounds from hard working, multiple-tax paying, innocent citizens as well as visitors. And I utterly refuse to support the foul monopoly that is Brighton & Hove Buses and I refuse to support the Green party. The green is mould, and it stinks. Mr.Logical1

10:35am Wed 4 Dec 13

Mr.Logical1 says...

We are the 99% wrote:
I know many cyclists who are against what the Greens are doing!
An now, we have yet another scorched earth Green lunacy policy!
Counting the seconds till their demise!
Why can't we remove them now?
We can... everybody vote here. http://present.brigh
ton-hove.gov.uk/mgEP
etitionDisplay.aspx?
ID=391&RPID=10867449
&HPID=10867449
[quote][p][bold]We are the 99%[/bold] wrote: I know many cyclists who are against what the Greens are doing! An now, we have yet another scorched earth Green lunacy policy! Counting the seconds till their demise! Why can't we remove them now?[/p][/quote]We can... everybody vote here. http://present.brigh ton-hove.gov.uk/mgEP etitionDisplay.aspx? ID=391&RPID=10867449 &HPID=10867449 Mr.Logical1

12:54pm Wed 4 Dec 13

noodles! says...

peteb21 wrote:
Call it what you like. The simple fact is that all cyclists are lazy, tax avoiding law breakers, creating untold misery for the hard working, tax paying, always law abiding driver.

You never see or hear about drivers not paying tax (of whatever kind), and you never see or hear about hard working drivers breaking rules of the road.

I get so irate when I see a cyclist ride the wrong way down a one way road, knowing their innate bone idle laziness means they get to avoid all the congestion I can’t.
BRILLIANT. Well done sir, you win this thread.
[quote][p][bold]peteb21[/bold] wrote: Call it what you like. The simple fact is that all cyclists are lazy, tax avoiding law breakers, creating untold misery for the hard working, tax paying, always law abiding driver. You never see or hear about drivers not paying tax (of whatever kind), and you never see or hear about hard working drivers breaking rules of the road. I get so irate when I see a cyclist ride the wrong way down a one way road, knowing their innate bone idle laziness means they get to avoid all the congestion I can’t.[/p][/quote]BRILLIANT. Well done sir, you win this thread. noodles!

4:07pm Wed 4 Dec 13

her professional says...

Angryoldman wrote:
This is not news. The street has been partially closed for weeks.
Wake up Argus!
Another nail in the coffin of the hard working motorist trying to get to work.
Enjoy your five minutes of fame greens cos you will NEVER get in again.
Yes more people are using buses. However most don't pay for their travel and have all day to get to where theyre going.
We working motorists pay for their travel and pay the tax for digging up these roads. No wonder the country is bankrupt.
Lucky for the "hard working motorist" that there are around one million journeys made by bus in the greater Brighton area every week, leaving more room for him/her. Imagine most of those journeys being made by car......even if your hated bus and cycle lanes were all removed and the whole city centre was a car-only free for all, it would be total gridlock, and, of course, you wouldn't have anyone else to blame for the chaos.
[quote][p][bold]Angryoldman[/bold] wrote: This is not news. The street has been partially closed for weeks. Wake up Argus! Another nail in the coffin of the hard working motorist trying to get to work. Enjoy your five minutes of fame greens cos you will NEVER get in again. Yes more people are using buses. However most don't pay for their travel and have all day to get to where theyre going. We working motorists pay for their travel and pay the tax for digging up these roads. No wonder the country is bankrupt.[/p][/quote]Lucky for the "hard working motorist" that there are around one million journeys made by bus in the greater Brighton area every week, leaving more room for him/her. Imagine most of those journeys being made by car......even if your hated bus and cycle lanes were all removed and the whole city centre was a car-only free for all, it would be total gridlock, and, of course, you wouldn't have anyone else to blame for the chaos. her professional

6:17pm Wed 4 Dec 13

martnin says...

There is no roadworks in Edward st. There is, however road works in Eastern rd in the area between Upper Bedford st and Tillstone st. Get it right Argus.
There is no roadworks in Edward st. There is, however road works in Eastern rd in the area between Upper Bedford st and Tillstone st. Get it right Argus. martnin

6:58pm Wed 4 Dec 13

taman says...

i remember those words "were going to leave our mark on this city" little did jk know it would be his party's epitaph.. enjoy your coming years in the political wilderness
i remember those words "were going to leave our mark on this city" little did jk know it would be his party's epitaph.. enjoy your coming years in the political wilderness taman

7:44pm Wed 4 Dec 13

melee says...

J Hill and Guyfurness, I completely agree. It's heartbreaking to see what is happening to our once lovely city. Having been born and bred here (although forced to outskirts in recent years by increased rents) I no longer feel I belong.
It's not as if there is any improvement if you ARE trying to get somewhere by public transport, it took me over an hour to get from Mile Oak to Western Road the other day by bus. I can drive to Worthing and park in less time than that. I've always used the bus in preference to the car when visiting the city centre (or walked while I lived in Hove) but now it just takes too long to make it worth going. I'm so glad I no longer have to go that way to work and feel for those who do.
I'm also concerned at restrictions being placed on traffic anywhere near a major hospital, that seems like madness!
J Hill and Guyfurness, I completely agree. It's heartbreaking to see what is happening to our once lovely city. Having been born and bred here (although forced to outskirts in recent years by increased rents) I no longer feel I belong. It's not as if there is any improvement if you ARE trying to get somewhere by public transport, it took me over an hour to get from Mile Oak to Western Road the other day by bus. I can drive to Worthing and park in less time than that. I've always used the bus in preference to the car when visiting the city centre (or walked while I lived in Hove) but now it just takes too long to make it worth going. I'm so glad I no longer have to go that way to work and feel for those who do. I'm also concerned at restrictions being placed on traffic anywhere near a major hospital, that seems like madness! melee

8:14pm Wed 4 Dec 13

davedebrax says...

peteb21 wrote:
Call it what you like. The simple fact is that all cyclists are lazy, tax avoiding law breakers, creating untold misery for the hard working, tax paying, always law abiding driver.

You never see or hear about drivers not paying tax (of whatever kind), and you never see or hear about hard working drivers breaking rules of the road.

I get so irate when I see a cyclist ride the wrong way down a one way road, knowing their innate bone idle laziness means they get to avoid all the congestion I can’t.
I totally agree with you, I personally feel so much more satisfied when I am stuck in a traffic jam, burning diesel, and joyfully contributing to the congestions these lazy cyclists manage to avoid. It makes my life much more purposeful knowing that each time I fill my tank I pay tax that will be used to build more roads and help those with hard working drivers when they get diabetes and or lung disease.
[quote][p][bold]peteb21[/bold] wrote: Call it what you like. The simple fact is that all cyclists are lazy, tax avoiding law breakers, creating untold misery for the hard working, tax paying, always law abiding driver. You never see or hear about drivers not paying tax (of whatever kind), and you never see or hear about hard working drivers breaking rules of the road. I get so irate when I see a cyclist ride the wrong way down a one way road, knowing their innate bone idle laziness means they get to avoid all the congestion I can’t.[/p][/quote]I totally agree with you, I personally feel so much more satisfied when I am stuck in a traffic jam, burning diesel, and joyfully contributing to the congestions these lazy cyclists manage to avoid. It makes my life much more purposeful knowing that each time I fill my tank I pay tax that will be used to build more roads and help those with hard working drivers when they get diabetes and or lung disease. davedebrax

8:14pm Wed 4 Dec 13

davedebrax says...

RobO. wrote:
peteb21 wrote:
Call it what you like. The simple fact is that all cyclists are lazy, tax avoiding law breakers, creating untold misery for the hard working, tax paying, always law abiding driver.

You never see or hear about drivers not paying tax (of whatever kind), and you never see or hear about hard working drivers breaking rules of the road.

I get so irate when I see a cyclist ride the wrong way down a one way road, knowing their innate bone idle laziness means they get to avoid all the congestion I can’t.
This is fantastic - Cyclists using pedal power to propel them along are branded lazy compared to drivers who sit on their arses and burn fossil fuels!

There's plenty of arguments on both sides of this debate, but if you're going to make a contribution it might be worth thinking it though first!
LOL
[quote][p][bold]RobO.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peteb21[/bold] wrote: Call it what you like. The simple fact is that all cyclists are lazy, tax avoiding law breakers, creating untold misery for the hard working, tax paying, always law abiding driver. You never see or hear about drivers not paying tax (of whatever kind), and you never see or hear about hard working drivers breaking rules of the road. I get so irate when I see a cyclist ride the wrong way down a one way road, knowing their innate bone idle laziness means they get to avoid all the congestion I can’t.[/p][/quote]This is fantastic - Cyclists using pedal power to propel them along are branded lazy compared to drivers who sit on their arses and burn fossil fuels! There's plenty of arguments on both sides of this debate, but if you're going to make a contribution it might be worth thinking it though first![/p][/quote]LOL davedebrax

9:58pm Wed 4 Dec 13

ghost bus driver says...

taman wrote:
i remember those words "were going to leave our mark on this city" little did jk know it would be his party's epitaph.. enjoy your coming years in the political wilderness
Years? Decades with any luck.
[quote][p][bold]taman[/bold] wrote: i remember those words "were going to leave our mark on this city" little did jk know it would be his party's epitaph.. enjoy your coming years in the political wilderness[/p][/quote]Years? Decades with any luck. ghost bus driver

10:51pm Wed 4 Dec 13

gheese77 says...

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! wrote:
gheese77 wrote:
I regularly cycle down Edward street, it can actually be quite dangerous.
The dual carriageway layout encourages some drivers to go to fast and also some drivers park illegally on double yellow lines which increases the danger as it forces you to pull out. The planners wrecked this area back in the 1960s I am just glad something is being done to put this right.
You should try using a car like most other people. Funnily they tend to be both practical and safe notwithstanding the ridiculous attempts of the greens to throttle speed and create congestion, leading to delays, frustration and risk taking.
I do own and use a car, its just not practical for short journeys round town, theres too much traffic and its not easy to park.
Bike is faster and free.
[quote][p][bold]I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: I regularly cycle down Edward street, it can actually be quite dangerous. The dual carriageway layout encourages some drivers to go to fast and also some drivers park illegally on double yellow lines which increases the danger as it forces you to pull out. The planners wrecked this area back in the 1960s I am just glad something is being done to put this right.[/p][/quote]You should try using a car like most other people. Funnily they tend to be both practical and safe notwithstanding the ridiculous attempts of the greens to throttle speed and create congestion, leading to delays, frustration and risk taking.[/p][/quote]I do own and use a car, its just not practical for short journeys round town, theres too much traffic and its not easy to park. Bike is faster and free. gheese77

11:21pm Wed 4 Dec 13

road_rager says...

davedebrax wrote:
peteb21 wrote:
Call it what you like. The simple fact is that all cyclists are lazy, tax avoiding law breakers, creating untold misery for the hard working, tax paying, always law abiding driver.

You never see or hear about drivers not paying tax (of whatever kind), and you never see or hear about hard working drivers breaking rules of the road.

I get so irate when I see a cyclist ride the wrong way down a one way road, knowing their innate bone idle laziness means they get to avoid all the congestion I can’t.
I totally agree with you, I personally feel so much more satisfied when I am stuck in a traffic jam, burning diesel, and joyfully contributing to the congestions these lazy cyclists manage to avoid. It makes my life much more purposeful knowing that each time I fill my tank I pay tax that will be used to build more roads and help those with hard working drivers when they get diabetes and or lung disease.
As a tax paying law abiding motorist I couldn't agree more.How these lazy tax evading cyclists can sleep at night is beyond me.
I couldn't rest knowing that I hadn't contributed my fair share to congestion and pollution.
[quote][p][bold]davedebrax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peteb21[/bold] wrote: Call it what you like. The simple fact is that all cyclists are lazy, tax avoiding law breakers, creating untold misery for the hard working, tax paying, always law abiding driver. You never see or hear about drivers not paying tax (of whatever kind), and you never see or hear about hard working drivers breaking rules of the road. I get so irate when I see a cyclist ride the wrong way down a one way road, knowing their innate bone idle laziness means they get to avoid all the congestion I can’t.[/p][/quote]I totally agree with you, I personally feel so much more satisfied when I am stuck in a traffic jam, burning diesel, and joyfully contributing to the congestions these lazy cyclists manage to avoid. It makes my life much more purposeful knowing that each time I fill my tank I pay tax that will be used to build more roads and help those with hard working drivers when they get diabetes and or lung disease.[/p][/quote]As a tax paying law abiding motorist I couldn't agree more.How these lazy tax evading cyclists can sleep at night is beyond me. I couldn't rest knowing that I hadn't contributed my fair share to congestion and pollution. road_rager

11:27pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Gribbet says...

Mr.Logical1 wrote:
We are the 99% wrote:
I know many cyclists who are against what the Greens are doing!
An now, we have yet another scorched earth Green lunacy policy!
Counting the seconds till their demise!
Why can't we remove them now?
We can... everybody vote here. http://present.brigh

ton-hove.gov.uk/mgEP

etitionDisplay.aspx?

ID=391&RPID=1086
7449
&HPID=10867449
Only 600 people from a population of 270,000 have signed this petition since 2nd October HA HA HA HA!!! You'd think that if the current situation was as catastrophic as some of the commenters above are implying, there would be at least a few tens of thousands more signatures. I'll take this as proof that the angry pro-motoring unchain-my-taxi-driv
ers aren't as numerous as they are outspoken. Looks like the majority of the population is adapting much more painlessly to the necessity of reducing urban car use.
[quote][p][bold]Mr.Logical1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]We are the 99%[/bold] wrote: I know many cyclists who are against what the Greens are doing! An now, we have yet another scorched earth Green lunacy policy! Counting the seconds till their demise! Why can't we remove them now?[/p][/quote]We can... everybody vote here. http://present.brigh ton-hove.gov.uk/mgEP etitionDisplay.aspx? ID=391&RPID=1086 7449 &HPID=10867449[/p][/quote]Only 600 people from a population of 270,000 have signed this petition since 2nd October HA HA HA HA!!! You'd think that if the current situation was as catastrophic as some of the commenters above are implying, there would be at least a few tens of thousands more signatures. I'll take this as proof that the angry pro-motoring unchain-my-taxi-driv ers aren't as numerous as they are outspoken. Looks like the majority of the population is adapting much more painlessly to the necessity of reducing urban car use. Gribbet

6:13pm Thu 5 Dec 13

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! says...

gheese77 wrote:
I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! wrote:
gheese77 wrote:
I regularly cycle down Edward street, it can actually be quite dangerous.
The dual carriageway layout encourages some drivers to go to fast and also some drivers park illegally on double yellow lines which increases the danger as it forces you to pull out. The planners wrecked this area back in the 1960s I am just glad something is being done to put this right.
You should try using a car like most other people. Funnily they tend to be both practical and safe notwithstanding the ridiculous attempts of the greens to throttle speed and create congestion, leading to delays, frustration and risk taking.
I do own and use a car, its just not practical for short journeys round town, theres too much traffic and its not easy to park.
Bike is faster and free.
But HJ, you have always maintained that you don't have one.

Might be worth making a few notes that you can refer to when posting, we don't want to make ourselves look even more stupid than we already do.
[quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: I regularly cycle down Edward street, it can actually be quite dangerous. The dual carriageway layout encourages some drivers to go to fast and also some drivers park illegally on double yellow lines which increases the danger as it forces you to pull out. The planners wrecked this area back in the 1960s I am just glad something is being done to put this right.[/p][/quote]You should try using a car like most other people. Funnily they tend to be both practical and safe notwithstanding the ridiculous attempts of the greens to throttle speed and create congestion, leading to delays, frustration and risk taking.[/p][/quote]I do own and use a car, its just not practical for short journeys round town, theres too much traffic and its not easy to park. Bike is faster and free.[/p][/quote]But HJ, you have always maintained that you don't have one. Might be worth making a few notes that you can refer to when posting, we don't want to make ourselves look even more stupid than we already do. I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars!

6:35pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Herbert Perkins says...

Some great posts here for those who like their satire blunt and long winded.
Some great posts here for those who like their satire blunt and long winded. Herbert Perkins

10:13am Fri 6 Dec 13

gheese77 says...

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! wrote:
gheese77 wrote:
I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! wrote:
gheese77 wrote:
I regularly cycle down Edward street, it can actually be quite dangerous.
The dual carriageway layout encourages some drivers to go to fast and also some drivers park illegally on double yellow lines which increases the danger as it forces you to pull out. The planners wrecked this area back in the 1960s I am just glad something is being done to put this right.
You should try using a car like most other people. Funnily they tend to be both practical and safe notwithstanding the ridiculous attempts of the greens to throttle speed and create congestion, leading to delays, frustration and risk taking.
I do own and use a car, its just not practical for short journeys round town, theres too much traffic and its not easy to park.
Bike is faster and free.
But HJ, you have always maintained that you don't have one.

Might be worth making a few notes that you can refer to when posting, we don't want to make ourselves look even more stupid than we already do.
Oh I forgot I was someone else for a moment, how silly of me !
I actually own several cars including a high performance sports model, which I like to drive round in just for fun (in disguise of course).
[quote][p][bold]I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: I regularly cycle down Edward street, it can actually be quite dangerous. The dual carriageway layout encourages some drivers to go to fast and also some drivers park illegally on double yellow lines which increases the danger as it forces you to pull out. The planners wrecked this area back in the 1960s I am just glad something is being done to put this right.[/p][/quote]You should try using a car like most other people. Funnily they tend to be both practical and safe notwithstanding the ridiculous attempts of the greens to throttle speed and create congestion, leading to delays, frustration and risk taking.[/p][/quote]I do own and use a car, its just not practical for short journeys round town, theres too much traffic and its not easy to park. Bike is faster and free.[/p][/quote]But HJ, you have always maintained that you don't have one. Might be worth making a few notes that you can refer to when posting, we don't want to make ourselves look even more stupid than we already do.[/p][/quote]Oh I forgot I was someone else for a moment, how silly of me ! I actually own several cars including a high performance sports model, which I like to drive round in just for fun (in disguise of course). gheese77

5:13pm Sat 7 Dec 13

D5 says...

peteb21 wrote:
Call it what you like. The simple fact is that all cyclists are lazy, tax avoiding law breakers, creating untold misery for the hard working, tax paying, always law abiding driver.

You never see or hear about drivers not paying tax (of whatever kind), and you never see or hear about hard working drivers breaking rules of the road.

I get so irate when I see a cyclist ride the wrong way down a one way road, knowing their innate bone idle laziness means they get to avoid all the congestion I can’t.
I cycle, i pay taxes, i dont cycle the wrong way down roads or run red lights.

Im not fat either, 5 stone lost since i took up cycling.
[quote][p][bold]peteb21[/bold] wrote: Call it what you like. The simple fact is that all cyclists are lazy, tax avoiding law breakers, creating untold misery for the hard working, tax paying, always law abiding driver. You never see or hear about drivers not paying tax (of whatever kind), and you never see or hear about hard working drivers breaking rules of the road. I get so irate when I see a cyclist ride the wrong way down a one way road, knowing their innate bone idle laziness means they get to avoid all the congestion I can’t.[/p][/quote]I cycle, i pay taxes, i dont cycle the wrong way down roads or run red lights. Im not fat either, 5 stone lost since i took up cycling. D5

1:36pm Sun 8 Dec 13

ARMANA says...

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! wrote:
gheese77 wrote:
I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! wrote:
gheese77 wrote:
I regularly cycle down Edward street, it can actually be quite dangerous.
The dual carriageway layout encourages some drivers to go to fast and also some drivers park illegally on double yellow lines which increases the danger as it forces you to pull out. The planners wrecked this area back in the 1960s I am just glad something is being done to put this right.
You should try using a car like most other people. Funnily they tend to be both practical and safe notwithstanding the ridiculous attempts of the greens to throttle speed and create congestion, leading to delays, frustration and risk taking.
I do own and use a car, its just not practical for short journeys round town, theres too much traffic and its not easy to park.
Bike is faster and free.
But HJ, you have always maintained that you don't have one.

Might be worth making a few notes that you can refer to when posting, we don't want to make ourselves look even more stupid than we already do.
HEAR HEAR,
[quote][p][bold]I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: I regularly cycle down Edward street, it can actually be quite dangerous. The dual carriageway layout encourages some drivers to go to fast and also some drivers park illegally on double yellow lines which increases the danger as it forces you to pull out. The planners wrecked this area back in the 1960s I am just glad something is being done to put this right.[/p][/quote]You should try using a car like most other people. Funnily they tend to be both practical and safe notwithstanding the ridiculous attempts of the greens to throttle speed and create congestion, leading to delays, frustration and risk taking.[/p][/quote]I do own and use a car, its just not practical for short journeys round town, theres too much traffic and its not easy to park. Bike is faster and free.[/p][/quote]But HJ, you have always maintained that you don't have one. Might be worth making a few notes that you can refer to when posting, we don't want to make ourselves look even more stupid than we already do.[/p][/quote]HEAR HEAR, ARMANA

7:44pm Sun 8 Dec 13

IShouldoftriedharder says...

Brightonlad86 wrote:
Just moved to Haywards Heath.
We have no bus/cycle lanes, cheap/free parking, very little congestion and less idiots crossing the road with they're eyes glued to a phone. It almost feels like heaven. Oh, and everyone just seems happier.
That may be true, but now you live in Haywards Heath. I'm not sure if the trade you've made is worth it.
[quote][p][bold]Brightonlad86[/bold] wrote: Just moved to Haywards Heath. We have no bus/cycle lanes, cheap/free parking, very little congestion and less idiots crossing the road with they're eyes glued to a phone. It almost feels like heaven. Oh, and everyone just seems happier.[/p][/quote]That may be true, but now you live in Haywards Heath. I'm not sure if the trade you've made is worth it. IShouldoftriedharder

7:49pm Sun 8 Dec 13

IShouldoftriedharder says...

peteb21 wrote:
Time to make another appeal for my Brighton Pro Car Party:

Who wants to join me in my Brighton Pro Car Party? I’ve had enough of these pesky greens making driving a nightmare. I have definitely noticed at least a tenfold increase in the time it takes me to drive from, say Churchill Square car park to my house by Seven Dials and I’ve had enough of it!

1. First off, obviously, I would remove any kind of cycling infrastructure, any cycle shops would be bulldozed and car parks built in their place. It’s a well-known fact that cyclists don’t pay road tax, the scum that they are don’t think they should, well they don’t get to use the roads then. They cycle the wrong way down one way roads, through red lights, thinking they are above the law causing all kinds of mayhem and destruction. Cars drivers can’t do it and that just isn’t fair, despite how much I really wish I could get away with it.

2. Secondly I think buses have no place on the roads either. It’s obvious that they are just a waste of money and cause more congestion and fumes. I would scrap buses. Bus lanes would become the sole preserve of people wanting to make journeys of less than one mile. This will mean that short journey can be made in double quick times, meaning less traffic on the roads, simple!

3. I would remove the 20 mph speed limits and make them speed minimums; the same would apply to all other current speed limits in B&H. If you aren’t up to speed you will be fined, I’m sure it is possible to re-programme the current speed cameras to enable this.

4. I would increase the amount of car parking available by tarmacing over Preston Park, The Level, St Anns Well Gardens, Victoria Gardens, Queens Park, in fact all green spaces, it would be free to park in these new zones.

5. I would also tarmac the beach; imagine how many car park spaces could be formed! After all what’s the point in having a beach if people can’t get to Brighton because they can’t park?! Actually while I’m at it I would also demolish Brighton Pavilion and build a 15 storey car park. These greens don’t get that if people can’t park their cars easily and for free they won’t come to Brighton, ruining business.

6. I would also remove pavements, pedestrians slow the driver down, all that crossing the road and stuff, don’t they realise the roads are for cars!? If people want to go to a shop they will be able to drive and park right outside of it. This would improve business no end, it would be like ordering off the internet. No worrying about going outside or other people annoying you, straight out of your car, straight in your shop of choice, straight back home again. Obviously some shops are too narrow to drive to, such as those in the Lanes. In this case demolish just enough building to make room for the cars to get access. The greens say no cars in the Lanes; I say make the Lanes car lanes.

7. I would then, as the pièce de résistance, remove all the different obstacles that get in the way of the hard working driver, so cars are free to move around freely at speeds without any congestion. This would include things such as: traffic lights, pedestrian crossings, zebra crossings, speed humps, double yellow lines etc etc. There would be nothing stopping the keen driver cruising along peacefully as they drive the 1 mile journey to drop the kids off at school.

This would obviously lead to massive improvements for business and normal everyday hard working people. Traffic would flow freely everywhere helping to restore Brighton to the once peaceful quaint seaside fishing village it used to be, before it got all busy, and run down.
You drive from Churchill Square to Seven Dials! Not a very active person are you? You'll cost us the tax payer a fortune with you NHS bills if you continue with such lazy life-style habits.
[quote][p][bold]peteb21[/bold] wrote: Time to make another appeal for my Brighton Pro Car Party: Who wants to join me in my Brighton Pro Car Party? I’ve had enough of these pesky greens making driving a nightmare. I have definitely noticed at least a tenfold increase in the time it takes me to drive from, say Churchill Square car park to my house by Seven Dials and I’ve had enough of it! 1. First off, obviously, I would remove any kind of cycling infrastructure, any cycle shops would be bulldozed and car parks built in their place. It’s a well-known fact that cyclists don’t pay road tax, the scum that they are don’t think they should, well they don’t get to use the roads then. They cycle the wrong way down one way roads, through red lights, thinking they are above the law causing all kinds of mayhem and destruction. Cars drivers can’t do it and that just isn’t fair, despite how much I really wish I could get away with it. 2. Secondly I think buses have no place on the roads either. It’s obvious that they are just a waste of money and cause more congestion and fumes. I would scrap buses. Bus lanes would become the sole preserve of people wanting to make journeys of less than one mile. This will mean that short journey can be made in double quick times, meaning less traffic on the roads, simple! 3. I would remove the 20 mph speed limits and make them speed minimums; the same would apply to all other current speed limits in B&H. If you aren’t up to speed you will be fined, I’m sure it is possible to re-programme the current speed cameras to enable this. 4. I would increase the amount of car parking available by tarmacing over Preston Park, The Level, St Anns Well Gardens, Victoria Gardens, Queens Park, in fact all green spaces, it would be free to park in these new zones. 5. I would also tarmac the beach; imagine how many car park spaces could be formed! After all what’s the point in having a beach if people can’t get to Brighton because they can’t park?! Actually while I’m at it I would also demolish Brighton Pavilion and build a 15 storey car park. These greens don’t get that if people can’t park their cars easily and for free they won’t come to Brighton, ruining business. 6. I would also remove pavements, pedestrians slow the driver down, all that crossing the road and stuff, don’t they realise the roads are for cars!? If people want to go to a shop they will be able to drive and park right outside of it. This would improve business no end, it would be like ordering off the internet. No worrying about going outside or other people annoying you, straight out of your car, straight in your shop of choice, straight back home again. Obviously some shops are too narrow to drive to, such as those in the Lanes. In this case demolish just enough building to make room for the cars to get access. The greens say no cars in the Lanes; I say make the Lanes car lanes. 7. I would then, as the pièce de résistance, remove all the different obstacles that get in the way of the hard working driver, so cars are free to move around freely at speeds without any congestion. This would include things such as: traffic lights, pedestrian crossings, zebra crossings, speed humps, double yellow lines etc etc. There would be nothing stopping the keen driver cruising along peacefully as they drive the 1 mile journey to drop the kids off at school. This would obviously lead to massive improvements for business and normal everyday hard working people. Traffic would flow freely everywhere helping to restore Brighton to the once peaceful quaint seaside fishing village it used to be, before it got all busy, and run down.[/p][/quote]You drive from Churchill Square to Seven Dials! Not a very active person are you? You'll cost us the tax payer a fortune with you NHS bills if you continue with such lazy life-style habits. IShouldoftriedharder

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