Brighton and Hove green spaces under threat after government rejects housing plan

The Argus: Brighton and Hove green spaces under threat after government rejects housing plan Brighton and Hove green spaces under threat after government rejects housing plan

Green edges of Brighton and Hove are under increasing threat of development after the Government ordered a re-think about house building in the city.

Brighton and Hove City Council spent two years drawing up the City Plan which aimed to create 11,300 homes – thousands below the expected demand of 20,000 houses.

Government inspector Laura Graham has sent the council’s plan, which falls “well short”, back to Hove Town Hall demanding more space is found.

Land which could now be under threat includes fields at Mile Oak, Ovingdean, Coldean and Hollingbury.

For years Brighton and Hove City Council has ruled out developing about 50 suburban plots, instead preserving them as open spaces for recreation.

The only urban fringe site allocated for development, and included in the target, was Toads Hole Valley in Hove, which could hold 700 homes, offices and a school.

The council accepted it would have to accommodate an extra 100 to 200 homes on the urban fringe in October.

In May the government’s senior planning inspector, Roland Punshon, criticised the city council’s housing strategy and called a meeting to tell officials to “go downevery rabbit hole” in the city to find land.

Now Ms Graham has insisted the ‘urban fringe’ around the city can accommodate more houses and ordered no stone is left unturned.

In a letter sent to the council on Friday Ms Graham said, despite the council’s attempts to get some areas protected Local Green Space status, she doubted they would meet the requirements.

She said building on some fields, not currently making a “significant contribution”, would create “good quality public open space, as part of a package of development”.

Ms Graham added the “overall impression” was the council had not looked seriously at some sites because of the “desire to resist development” and a “more rigorous analysis of the urban fringe sites” could find more potential space for homes.

The council said will look hard at housing potential in the urban fringe around the city and send a response to the inspector in January.

Councillor Phélim MacCafferty chairmanof planning at the council said: “We are committed to the review but our research so far suggests that only a handful of the urban fringe sites have real potential to deliver housing.

“Most of the urban fringe contains parks, allotments, cemeteries and sports pitches and some is contaminated land.”

Tony Mernagh, executive director at the Brighton and Hove Economic Partnership, said: “The Economic Partnership has been one of the parties in the city pushing for more housing, but it has some sympathy with the planning officers tasked to sort out this conundrum.

“They not only have to satisfy the demands of the inspector but also their political masters in a council with no majority control.

“Trying to get political consensus on the urban fringe and the Marina some 17 months before local elections will be a Herculean task.”

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9:46am Mon 16 Dec 13

mark by the sea says...

Tony mernagh is available for comment on housing now! His role is what exactly? Employed by a company not the city or East Sussex . The argus look to him as though he knows something we don't ! Chronic lack of new build and total lack of space to improve that! Firstly the council and government should block anyone being housed unless they have lived here for ten years, empty property should be taxed , and if left empty for more than a year taxed double, two years treble etc.
Housing benefit is holding up the rental value of property, reduce housing benefit by 50% and buy up office blocks and develope to flats.
Tony mernagh is available for comment on housing now! His role is what exactly? Employed by a company not the city or East Sussex . The argus look to him as though he knows something we don't ! Chronic lack of new build and total lack of space to improve that! Firstly the council and government should block anyone being housed unless they have lived here for ten years, empty property should be taxed , and if left empty for more than a year taxed double, two years treble etc. Housing benefit is holding up the rental value of property, reduce housing benefit by 50% and buy up office blocks and develope to flats. mark by the sea

10:05am Mon 16 Dec 13

hey mongo says...

Its not a lack of houses thats the problem its to many people...our beautiful countryside being destroyed so we can house eastern europe and the middle east?? Something cant be right here...
Its not a lack of houses thats the problem its to many people...our beautiful countryside being destroyed so we can house eastern europe and the middle east?? Something cant be right here... hey mongo

10:15am Mon 16 Dec 13

mark by the sea says...

hey mongo wrote:
Its not a lack of houses thats the problem its to many people...our beautiful countryside being destroyed so we can house eastern europe and the middle east?? Something cant be right here...
Wait till the Rumanian gypsies get here! They will be the ticket for ukip
[quote][p][bold]hey mongo[/bold] wrote: Its not a lack of houses thats the problem its to many people...our beautiful countryside being destroyed so we can house eastern europe and the middle east?? Something cant be right here...[/p][/quote]Wait till the Rumanian gypsies get here! They will be the ticket for ukip mark by the sea

10:18am Mon 16 Dec 13

s_james says...

mark by the sea wrote:
hey mongo wrote:
Its not a lack of houses thats the problem its to many people...our beautiful countryside being destroyed so we can house eastern europe and the middle east?? Something cant be right here...
Wait till the Rumanian gypsies get here! They will be the ticket for ukip
I think you'll find its also an aging population, people being healthier and living in their own homes for longer, and more single person households. Demand for housing would be increasing even without any immigration.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hey mongo[/bold] wrote: Its not a lack of houses thats the problem its to many people...our beautiful countryside being destroyed so we can house eastern europe and the middle east?? Something cant be right here...[/p][/quote]Wait till the Rumanian gypsies get here! They will be the ticket for ukip[/p][/quote]I think you'll find its also an aging population, people being healthier and living in their own homes for longer, and more single person households. Demand for housing would be increasing even without any immigration. s_james

10:19am Mon 16 Dec 13

s&k says...

Overcrowding does seem to be contributing to the strain on our resources. I'm old school Labour but now seriously thinking of voting UKIP.
Overcrowding does seem to be contributing to the strain on our resources. I'm old school Labour but now seriously thinking of voting UKIP. s&k

10:23am Mon 16 Dec 13

hey mongo says...

True people living longer and lots of single people adds to the problem which is all the more reason not to invite the whole world here...i love the diversity in brighton but please enough is enough...
True people living longer and lots of single people adds to the problem which is all the more reason not to invite the whole world here...i love the diversity in brighton but please enough is enough... hey mongo

10:24am Mon 16 Dec 13

mark by the sea says...

s_james wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
hey mongo wrote:
Its not a lack of houses thats the problem its to many people...our beautiful countryside being destroyed so we can house eastern europe and the middle east?? Something cant be right here...
Wait till the Rumanian gypsies get here! They will be the ticket for ukip
I think you'll find its also an aging population, people being healthier and living in their own homes for longer, and more single person households. Demand for housing would be increasing even without any immigration.
Lack of school. Places is due to immigration ..
When this country gets over its guilt over the British empire , we will look at things clearly, same as Australia , they won't take every Tom dick or Harry , whatever there religion, colour or nationality
[quote][p][bold]s_james[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hey mongo[/bold] wrote: Its not a lack of houses thats the problem its to many people...our beautiful countryside being destroyed so we can house eastern europe and the middle east?? Something cant be right here...[/p][/quote]Wait till the Rumanian gypsies get here! They will be the ticket for ukip[/p][/quote]I think you'll find its also an aging population, people being healthier and living in their own homes for longer, and more single person households. Demand for housing would be increasing even without any immigration.[/p][/quote]Lack of school. Places is due to immigration .. When this country gets over its guilt over the British empire , we will look at things clearly, same as Australia , they won't take every Tom dick or Harry , whatever there religion, colour or nationality mark by the sea

10:31am Mon 16 Dec 13

kopite_rob says...

The Council needs to look towards the Universities to deliver more student accomodation blocks on Campus and beyond, to free up housing stock to families.
Whats happened to the plans for accomodation next to the Amex?
That was for 800+ students.
What about the Anston House development, the Old Military Barracks, Circus Street area, The Old Astoria.
There loads of abandoned and vacant sites available around town, how about redirecting the i360 loan for the Coucil to buy up these spaces and building it's own housing stock again?
The Council needs to look towards the Universities to deliver more student accomodation blocks on Campus and beyond, to free up housing stock to families. Whats happened to the plans for accomodation next to the Amex? That was for 800+ students. What about the Anston House development, the Old Military Barracks, Circus Street area, The Old Astoria. There loads of abandoned and vacant sites available around town, how about redirecting the i360 loan for the Coucil to buy up these spaces and building it's own housing stock again? kopite_rob

10:40am Mon 16 Dec 13

NickBrt says...

We can't use all that green space, wheer opn earth will our Council's Travelling Guests set-up camp?
We can't use all that green space, wheer opn earth will our Council's Travelling Guests set-up camp? NickBrt

10:44am Mon 16 Dec 13

s_james says...

mark by the sea wrote:
s_james wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
hey mongo wrote:
Its not a lack of houses thats the problem its to many people...our beautiful countryside being destroyed so we can house eastern europe and the middle east?? Something cant be right here...
Wait till the Rumanian gypsies get here! They will be the ticket for ukip
I think you'll find its also an aging population, people being healthier and living in their own homes for longer, and more single person households. Demand for housing would be increasing even without any immigration.
Lack of school. Places is due to immigration ..
When this country gets over its guilt over the British empire , we will look at things clearly, same as Australia , they won't take every Tom dick or Harry , whatever there religion, colour or nationality
Correct about school places but this article is not about schools
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]s_james[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hey mongo[/bold] wrote: Its not a lack of houses thats the problem its to many people...our beautiful countryside being destroyed so we can house eastern europe and the middle east?? Something cant be right here...[/p][/quote]Wait till the Rumanian gypsies get here! They will be the ticket for ukip[/p][/quote]I think you'll find its also an aging population, people being healthier and living in their own homes for longer, and more single person households. Demand for housing would be increasing even without any immigration.[/p][/quote]Lack of school. Places is due to immigration .. When this country gets over its guilt over the British empire , we will look at things clearly, same as Australia , they won't take every Tom dick or Harry , whatever there religion, colour or nationality[/p][/quote]Correct about school places but this article is not about schools s_james

10:44am Mon 16 Dec 13

bob_from_brighton says...

EXPONENTIAL GROWTH. See this entertaining video on exponential growth - the bacteria in a test tube example - another example; a 'mere' 7% growth leads to a doubling every 10 years. IF the resource is finite (i.e countryside in UK) then at some point there SEEMS 'LOADS' OF SPACE LEFT ...THEN SUDDENLY IT ALL GOES QUITE QUICKLY. Video on YouTube, titled "The most important video you'll ever see". - it's just simple maths interestingly explained by American Professor at Colorado University. Link is http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=umFnrvcS6
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EXPONENTIAL GROWTH. See this entertaining video on exponential growth - the bacteria in a test tube example - another example; a 'mere' 7% growth leads to a doubling every 10 years. IF the resource is finite (i.e countryside in UK) then at some point there SEEMS 'LOADS' OF SPACE LEFT ...THEN SUDDENLY IT ALL GOES QUITE QUICKLY. Video on YouTube, titled "The most important video you'll ever see". - it's just simple maths interestingly explained by American Professor at Colorado University. Link is http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=umFnrvcS6 AQ bob_from_brighton

10:45am Mon 16 Dec 13

rayellerton says...

How about NO? The south east is full to capacity...roads, railways and personal space are at their limits. Our hospitals, schools etc are struggling to cope as it is. The only homes that should be built are council homes for the low paid and essential workers...but for LOCAL families. There is plenty of brownfield sites up north that could be built on without destroying green belt...and a bonus, land and house prices are cheaper! What is there not to like about that?
How about NO? The south east is full to capacity...roads, railways and personal space are at their limits. Our hospitals, schools etc are struggling to cope as it is. The only homes that should be built are council homes for the low paid and essential workers...but for LOCAL families. There is plenty of brownfield sites up north that could be built on without destroying green belt...and a bonus, land and house prices are cheaper! What is there not to like about that? rayellerton

11:00am Mon 16 Dec 13

cookie_brighton says...

s&k wrote:
Overcrowding does seem to be contributing to the strain on our resources. I'm old school Labour but now seriously thinking of voting UKIP.
UKIP are ex tories......same views, same plans......they will not get in.....my blood runs red....always will...........Labou
r IS the party of " the people "
[quote][p][bold]s&k[/bold] wrote: Overcrowding does seem to be contributing to the strain on our resources. I'm old school Labour but now seriously thinking of voting UKIP.[/p][/quote]UKIP are ex tories......same views, same plans......they will not get in.....my blood runs red....always will...........Labou r IS the party of " the people " cookie_brighton

11:05am Mon 16 Dec 13

peteb21 says...

mark by the sea wrote:
hey mongo wrote:
Its not a lack of houses thats the problem its to many people...our beautiful countryside being destroyed so we can house eastern europe and the middle east?? Something cant be right here...
Wait till the Rumanian gypsies get here! They will be the ticket for ukip
This is brilliant, just like ‘From the message boards’ in Private Eye, great work!
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hey mongo[/bold] wrote: Its not a lack of houses thats the problem its to many people...our beautiful countryside being destroyed so we can house eastern europe and the middle east?? Something cant be right here...[/p][/quote]Wait till the Rumanian gypsies get here! They will be the ticket for ukip[/p][/quote]This is brilliant, just like ‘From the message boards’ in Private Eye, great work! peteb21

11:06am Mon 16 Dec 13

redwing says...

rayellerton wrote:
How about NO? The south east is full to capacity...roads, railways and personal space are at their limits. Our hospitals, schools etc are struggling to cope as it is. The only homes that should be built are council homes for the low paid and essential workers...but for LOCAL families. There is plenty of brownfield sites up north that could be built on without destroying green belt...and a bonus, land and house prices are cheaper! What is there not to like about that?
It's more a case of 'what' doesn't like it (or allow it) - in a nutshell that's capitalism.
[quote][p][bold]rayellerton[/bold] wrote: How about NO? The south east is full to capacity...roads, railways and personal space are at their limits. Our hospitals, schools etc are struggling to cope as it is. The only homes that should be built are council homes for the low paid and essential workers...but for LOCAL families. There is plenty of brownfield sites up north that could be built on without destroying green belt...and a bonus, land and house prices are cheaper! What is there not to like about that?[/p][/quote]It's more a case of 'what' doesn't like it (or allow it) - in a nutshell that's capitalism. redwing

11:43am Mon 16 Dec 13

p a t r i c k says...

s&k wrote:
Overcrowding does seem to be contributing to the strain on our resources. I'm old school Labour but now seriously thinking of voting UKIP.
"old school Labour" but now thinking of voting for a party which is the embodiment of Thatcherism.
[quote][p][bold]s&k[/bold] wrote: Overcrowding does seem to be contributing to the strain on our resources. I'm old school Labour but now seriously thinking of voting UKIP.[/p][/quote]"old school Labour" but now thinking of voting for a party which is the embodiment of Thatcherism. p a t r i c k

11:57am Mon 16 Dec 13

Cgull says...

And what is the Green's solution to the housing crises?

Stick them all in shipping containers. Much better than allowing people a nice house with a garden.

Well done to the government officials for rejecting the pathetic ideology of the Greens.
And what is the Green's solution to the housing crises? Stick them all in shipping containers. Much better than allowing people a nice house with a garden. Well done to the government officials for rejecting the pathetic ideology of the Greens. Cgull

12:00pm Mon 16 Dec 13

s_james says...

Cgull wrote:
And what is the Green's solution to the housing crises?

Stick them all in shipping containers. Much better than allowing people a nice house with a garden.

Well done to the government officials for rejecting the pathetic ideology of the Greens.
Shipping container thing was approved by the cross-party planning committee.
[quote][p][bold]Cgull[/bold] wrote: And what is the Green's solution to the housing crises? Stick them all in shipping containers. Much better than allowing people a nice house with a garden. Well done to the government officials for rejecting the pathetic ideology of the Greens.[/p][/quote]Shipping container thing was approved by the cross-party planning committee. s_james

12:41pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Mark63 says...

Get over it, its just grass... people are so precious down here.. nothing would have ever been built if the councils of today were in charge. Sure, protect the most valuable assets, but stop denying any kind of future for this place... have vision! Not everyone wants to live in a shipping container or dormabile... they let the travellers pitch up just about anywhere a gate is left open, or forced open (or even on main avenues and roads) - protect the tax payers and build proper homes for those who will contribute to society and pay the taxes of the future....!
Get over it, its just grass... people are so precious down here.. nothing would have ever been built if the councils of today were in charge. Sure, protect the most valuable assets, but stop denying any kind of future for this place... have vision! Not everyone wants to live in a shipping container or dormabile... they let the travellers pitch up just about anywhere a gate is left open, or forced open (or even on main avenues and roads) - protect the tax payers and build proper homes for those who will contribute to society and pay the taxes of the future....! Mark63

1:01pm Mon 16 Dec 13

bug eye says...

all the brown field sites have now been earmarked for brand new state of the art student flats, why not earmark these sites for increased permanent residential housing, and let the transient students live in the older housing, its perfectly adequate. however it is more like the city is full and the infrastructure just will not cope, and quality of life will diminish, beware..
all the brown field sites have now been earmarked for brand new state of the art student flats, why not earmark these sites for increased permanent residential housing, and let the transient students live in the older housing, its perfectly adequate. however it is more like the city is full and the infrastructure just will not cope, and quality of life will diminish, beware.. bug eye

1:08pm Mon 16 Dec 13

bug eye says...

The council should be looking at its current stock and building extra floors on low blocks, and converting houses into flats when vacant or adding loft extensions creating more space for bigger families. many of our council estates badly need updating and transformation, and could accommodate more homes. allow developers to develop unused office blocks in return for contributions to another housing development project etc. think outside the box and first make use of what is already here that needs improvement and updating anyway, kills 2 birds with 1 stone.
The council should be looking at its current stock and building extra floors on low blocks, and converting houses into flats when vacant or adding loft extensions creating more space for bigger families. many of our council estates badly need updating and transformation, and could accommodate more homes. allow developers to develop unused office blocks in return for contributions to another housing development project etc. think outside the box and first make use of what is already here that needs improvement and updating anyway, kills 2 birds with 1 stone. bug eye

1:14pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Hector1872 says...

Cgull wrote:
And what is the Green's solution to the housing crises?

Stick them all in shipping containers. Much better than allowing people a nice house with a garden.

Well done to the government officials for rejecting the pathetic ideology of the Greens.
Yeah lets cram as many people as possible into the city - I'm sure you'll be the first to complain when the place is rammed!!

As for shipping container solution it had the support of the Brighton Housing Trust who, with respect(!!), I'm sure are a tad more qualified than yourself to provide a meaningful comment!
[quote][p][bold]Cgull[/bold] wrote: And what is the Green's solution to the housing crises? Stick them all in shipping containers. Much better than allowing people a nice house with a garden. Well done to the government officials for rejecting the pathetic ideology of the Greens.[/p][/quote]Yeah lets cram as many people as possible into the city - I'm sure you'll be the first to complain when the place is rammed!! As for shipping container solution it had the support of the Brighton Housing Trust who, with respect(!!), I'm sure are a tad more qualified than yourself to provide a meaningful comment! Hector1872

1:14pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Vicente_1 says...

Too many people in Britain simple... chuck out the foreigns that dont work! Im not being racist either because i understand that 95% of immigrants help our economy but there is a small percentage that come to receive free money! The same should apply to people from Britain that dont work and receive free housing.... IT IS NOT their human right to have a house! It is a human right to receive a shelter so why not build more shelters to house these people and make their "FREE" houses available to buy for the hard working people! Or spend the money on free childcare whilst theyre out working, so that their excuse to not work cannot be that they are single mums!
Too many people in Britain simple... chuck out the foreigns that dont work! Im not being racist either because i understand that 95% of immigrants help our economy but there is a small percentage that come to receive free money! The same should apply to people from Britain that dont work and receive free housing.... IT IS NOT their human right to have a house! It is a human right to receive a shelter so why not build more shelters to house these people and make their "FREE" houses available to buy for the hard working people! Or spend the money on free childcare whilst theyre out working, so that their excuse to not work cannot be that they are single mums! Vicente_1

1:20pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Vicente_1 says...

cookie_brighton wrote:
s&k wrote:
Overcrowding does seem to be contributing to the strain on our resources. I'm old school Labour but now seriously thinking of voting UKIP.
UKIP are ex tories......same views, same plans......they will not get in.....my blood runs red....always will...........Labou

r IS the party of " the people "
No party is the party of the people! If it was there would be no need for a vote as everyone would want them in. Labour and Conservatives started as two very different parties, now they just rubbish each others ideas as to make their own party look good. No thought goes into what the people want just what will make the other party look bad!
[quote][p][bold]cookie_brighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]s&k[/bold] wrote: Overcrowding does seem to be contributing to the strain on our resources. I'm old school Labour but now seriously thinking of voting UKIP.[/p][/quote]UKIP are ex tories......same views, same plans......they will not get in.....my blood runs red....always will...........Labou r IS the party of " the people "[/p][/quote]No party is the party of the people! If it was there would be no need for a vote as everyone would want them in. Labour and Conservatives started as two very different parties, now they just rubbish each others ideas as to make their own party look good. No thought goes into what the people want just what will make the other party look bad! Vicente_1

1:24pm Mon 16 Dec 13

s&k says...

cookie_brighton wrote:
s&k wrote: Overcrowding does seem to be contributing to the strain on our resources. I'm old school Labour but now seriously thinking of voting UKIP.
UKIP are ex tories......same views, same plans......they will not get in.....my blood runs red....always will...........Labou r IS the party of " the people "
Not since the 1930s, really. Full of private school champagne guzzlers. Labour forgot the people under Blair and now needs them back.
[quote][p][bold]cookie_brighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]s&k[/bold] wrote: Overcrowding does seem to be contributing to the strain on our resources. I'm old school Labour but now seriously thinking of voting UKIP.[/p][/quote]UKIP are ex tories......same views, same plans......they will not get in.....my blood runs red....always will...........Labou r IS the party of " the people "[/p][/quote]Not since the 1930s, really. Full of private school champagne guzzlers. Labour forgot the people under Blair and now needs them back. s&k

1:42pm Mon 16 Dec 13

KempyLocals says...

All those offices laying vacant, government allowing them to change to housing and yet in B&H the Council are trying to prevent this. It is the Council that has put the green spaces at risk - where have all the visionary politicians gone? Sadly we have none in B&H!!
All those offices laying vacant, government allowing them to change to housing and yet in B&H the Council are trying to prevent this. It is the Council that has put the green spaces at risk - where have all the visionary politicians gone? Sadly we have none in B&H!! KempyLocals

1:45pm Mon 16 Dec 13

KempyLocals says...

Vicente_1 wrote:
cookie_brighton wrote:
s&k wrote:
Overcrowding does seem to be contributing to the strain on our resources. I'm old school Labour but now seriously thinking of voting UKIP.
UKIP are ex tories......same views, same plans......they will not get in.....my blood runs red....always will...........Labou


r IS the party of " the people "
No party is the party of the people! If it was there would be no need for a vote as everyone would want them in. Labour and Conservatives started as two very different parties, now they just rubbish each others ideas as to make their own party look good. No thought goes into what the people want just what will make the other party look bad!
I vote for the 'Peoples Republic of Brighton & Hove" can we have Russell Brand as President please and Norman Cook his deputy. We might get things done at least!
[quote][p][bold]Vicente_1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cookie_brighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]s&k[/bold] wrote: Overcrowding does seem to be contributing to the strain on our resources. I'm old school Labour but now seriously thinking of voting UKIP.[/p][/quote]UKIP are ex tories......same views, same plans......they will not get in.....my blood runs red....always will...........Labou r IS the party of " the people "[/p][/quote]No party is the party of the people! If it was there would be no need for a vote as everyone would want them in. Labour and Conservatives started as two very different parties, now they just rubbish each others ideas as to make their own party look good. No thought goes into what the people want just what will make the other party look bad![/p][/quote]I vote for the 'Peoples Republic of Brighton & Hove" can we have Russell Brand as President please and Norman Cook his deputy. We might get things done at least! KempyLocals

1:52pm Mon 16 Dec 13

KempyLocals says...

And the cost to the Council Tax payer of two years 'wasted' work by Council officers, strings pulled by politicians that will probably not be around post local election is???
And the cost to the Council Tax payer of two years 'wasted' work by Council officers, strings pulled by politicians that will probably not be around post local election is??? KempyLocals

2:03pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Sir Prised says...

s&k wrote:
Overcrowding does seem to be contributing to the strain on our resources. I'm old school Labour but now seriously thinking of voting UKIP.
Glad to see another has seen the light! We need to be an independent country again, simple as that. Population now forecast to be 130 miilion by 2100. God help them. Of course an ageing and healthier population, plus people having multiple familes during their lifetime is a contributory factor but that makes immigration controls even MORE vital, not less. This has all been so predictable, yet anyone pointing out the obvious has been called a racist. Funny how more pople are becoming racist each and every day!
[quote][p][bold]s&k[/bold] wrote: Overcrowding does seem to be contributing to the strain on our resources. I'm old school Labour but now seriously thinking of voting UKIP.[/p][/quote]Glad to see another has seen the light! We need to be an independent country again, simple as that. Population now forecast to be 130 miilion by 2100. God help them. Of course an ageing and healthier population, plus people having multiple familes during their lifetime is a contributory factor but that makes immigration controls even MORE vital, not less. This has all been so predictable, yet anyone pointing out the obvious has been called a racist. Funny how more pople are becoming racist each and every day! Sir Prised

2:09pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Verushka26 says...

Hmmmmmm... Maybe in light of this the universities shouldn't be allowed to raise their student numbers by the thousands that they are planning? I'm not against students (I was one myself once) but seems that their plans will surely create more strain on an already heaving housing demand.
Hmmmmmm... Maybe in light of this the universities shouldn't be allowed to raise their student numbers by the thousands that they are planning? I'm not against students (I was one myself once) but seems that their plans will surely create more strain on an already heaving housing demand. Verushka26

2:26pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Tring says...

Sir Prised wrote:
s&k wrote:
Overcrowding does seem to be contributing to the strain on our resources. I'm old school Labour but now seriously thinking of voting UKIP.
Glad to see another has seen the light! We need to be an independent country again, simple as that. Population now forecast to be 130 miilion by 2100. God help them. Of course an ageing and healthier population, plus people having multiple familes during their lifetime is a contributory factor but that makes immigration controls even MORE vital, not less. This has all been so predictable, yet anyone pointing out the obvious has been called a racist. Funny how more pople are becoming racist each and every day!
There are already immigration controls, tbough within the EU there is free movement of labour. That means there are plenty of Brits working elsewhere in the EU who would presumably lose that right if we left, and have to come back here. So blaming this on immigration isn't right or fair - in terms of population numbers it's swings and roundabouts, basically.

There is certainly a problem of too much of Britain's prosperity being concentrated in the south-east. You don't solve that by scapegoating immigrants, but by investing in other, underpopulated parts of the country. This involves interfering with the sacred free market, which the current government won't do. Hence telling our council to concrete over more downland - and whatever happened to localism?

Any Labour-inclined person thinking of voting for UKIP should take a hard look at their economic policies first. Extremist free market shrink-the-state-and
-privatise-everythin
g stuff, with tax cuts for the rich. If that's what you want, by all means vote for them, but if not, please don't.
[quote][p][bold]Sir Prised[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]s&k[/bold] wrote: Overcrowding does seem to be contributing to the strain on our resources. I'm old school Labour but now seriously thinking of voting UKIP.[/p][/quote]Glad to see another has seen the light! We need to be an independent country again, simple as that. Population now forecast to be 130 miilion by 2100. God help them. Of course an ageing and healthier population, plus people having multiple familes during their lifetime is a contributory factor but that makes immigration controls even MORE vital, not less. This has all been so predictable, yet anyone pointing out the obvious has been called a racist. Funny how more pople are becoming racist each and every day![/p][/quote]There are already immigration controls, tbough within the EU there is free movement of labour. That means there are plenty of Brits working elsewhere in the EU who would presumably lose that right if we left, and have to come back here. So blaming this on immigration isn't right or fair - in terms of population numbers it's swings and roundabouts, basically. There is certainly a problem of too much of Britain's prosperity being concentrated in the south-east. You don't solve that by scapegoating immigrants, but by investing in other, underpopulated parts of the country. This involves interfering with the sacred free market, which the current government won't do. Hence telling our council to concrete over more downland - and whatever happened to localism? Any Labour-inclined person thinking of voting for UKIP should take a hard look at their economic policies first. Extremist free market shrink-the-state-and -privatise-everythin g stuff, with tax cuts for the rich. If that's what you want, by all means vote for them, but if not, please don't. Tring

2:35pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Fairfax Aches says...

Some simple solutions:

a) Enforced ban on any new immigrants coming to the city
b) Enforced removal and custodial sentance of any travellors pitching up in illegal encampments
c) Reduction in numbers of "students"
d) Old people homes removed from prime central locations and rellocated to outer areas of Sussex.
e) Reduction in the bloated welfare and social housing sprawl which encourages all n'er do wells and charlatans to enter this fair city.
f) Doubling or tripling of London rail tickets, reducing the millignant and pernicious trend of commuters moving from London to the coast-bad enough puttign up with it at weekends.
Some simple solutions: a) Enforced ban on any new immigrants coming to the city b) Enforced removal and custodial sentance of any travellors pitching up in illegal encampments c) Reduction in numbers of "students" d) Old people homes removed from prime central locations and rellocated to outer areas of Sussex. e) Reduction in the bloated welfare and social housing sprawl which encourages all n'er do wells and charlatans to enter this fair city. f) Doubling or tripling of London rail tickets, reducing the millignant and pernicious trend of commuters moving from London to the coast-bad enough puttign up with it at weekends. Fairfax Aches

2:41pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Sir Prised says...

Tring wrote:
Sir Prised wrote:
s&k wrote:
Overcrowding does seem to be contributing to the strain on our resources. I'm old school Labour but now seriously thinking of voting UKIP.
Glad to see another has seen the light! We need to be an independent country again, simple as that. Population now forecast to be 130 miilion by 2100. God help them. Of course an ageing and healthier population, plus people having multiple familes during their lifetime is a contributory factor but that makes immigration controls even MORE vital, not less. This has all been so predictable, yet anyone pointing out the obvious has been called a racist. Funny how more pople are becoming racist each and every day!
There are already immigration controls, tbough within the EU there is free movement of labour. That means there are plenty of Brits working elsewhere in the EU who would presumably lose that right if we left, and have to come back here. So blaming this on immigration isn't right or fair - in terms of population numbers it's swings and roundabouts, basically.

There is certainly a problem of too much of Britain's prosperity being concentrated in the south-east. You don't solve that by scapegoating immigrants, but by investing in other, underpopulated parts of the country. This involves interfering with the sacred free market, which the current government won't do. Hence telling our council to concrete over more downland - and whatever happened to localism?

Any Labour-inclined person thinking of voting for UKIP should take a hard look at their economic policies first. Extremist free market shrink-the-state-and

-privatise-everythin

g stuff, with tax cuts for the rich. If that's what you want, by all means vote for them, but if not, please don't.
Simply not true. It's obvious that those on low incomes will come to a more prosperous economy. Wages 3X for Bulgarians + other benefits not available at home. This pull obviously does not apply the other way. Combining such disparate economies was madness, not just for the weathier ones but for those who require thsoe with an entreprenaurial spirit to stay at home and develop their own. All UKIP want is the same controls as say the US, Canade, Australia et al. That you possess required skills, a job in place to maintain yourself and your family and have no criminal record. Anyone not suporting those simple principles needs their heads examined or don't care about their children's future prospects.
[quote][p][bold]Tring[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sir Prised[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]s&k[/bold] wrote: Overcrowding does seem to be contributing to the strain on our resources. I'm old school Labour but now seriously thinking of voting UKIP.[/p][/quote]Glad to see another has seen the light! We need to be an independent country again, simple as that. Population now forecast to be 130 miilion by 2100. God help them. Of course an ageing and healthier population, plus people having multiple familes during their lifetime is a contributory factor but that makes immigration controls even MORE vital, not less. This has all been so predictable, yet anyone pointing out the obvious has been called a racist. Funny how more pople are becoming racist each and every day![/p][/quote]There are already immigration controls, tbough within the EU there is free movement of labour. That means there are plenty of Brits working elsewhere in the EU who would presumably lose that right if we left, and have to come back here. So blaming this on immigration isn't right or fair - in terms of population numbers it's swings and roundabouts, basically. There is certainly a problem of too much of Britain's prosperity being concentrated in the south-east. You don't solve that by scapegoating immigrants, but by investing in other, underpopulated parts of the country. This involves interfering with the sacred free market, which the current government won't do. Hence telling our council to concrete over more downland - and whatever happened to localism? Any Labour-inclined person thinking of voting for UKIP should take a hard look at their economic policies first. Extremist free market shrink-the-state-and -privatise-everythin g stuff, with tax cuts for the rich. If that's what you want, by all means vote for them, but if not, please don't.[/p][/quote]Simply not true. It's obvious that those on low incomes will come to a more prosperous economy. Wages 3X for Bulgarians + other benefits not available at home. This pull obviously does not apply the other way. Combining such disparate economies was madness, not just for the weathier ones but for those who require thsoe with an entreprenaurial spirit to stay at home and develop their own. All UKIP want is the same controls as say the US, Canade, Australia et al. That you possess required skills, a job in place to maintain yourself and your family and have no criminal record. Anyone not suporting those simple principles needs their heads examined or don't care about their children's future prospects. Sir Prised

3:52pm Mon 16 Dec 13

MuammarQaddafi says...

There is only one reason for the government to approve new housing, and that is to attract more people. (It does nothing for homelessness; homeless people can't afford to live in new housing.) The one reason for the government to want to attract more people is to increase the number of tax payers. (It's not to attract new workers; we already have enough unemployment among workers already here.) And the only reason for that is job security for government. The plain fact is that people like Laura Graham are willing to destroy fringe land forever to ensure that they retire with their pensions.
There is only one reason for the government to approve new housing, and that is to attract more people. (It does nothing for homelessness; homeless people can't afford to live in new housing.) The one reason for the government to want to attract more people is to increase the number of tax payers. (It's not to attract new workers; we already have enough unemployment among workers already here.) And the only reason for that is job security for government. The plain fact is that people like Laura Graham are willing to destroy fringe land forever to ensure that they retire with their pensions. MuammarQaddafi

4:14pm Mon 16 Dec 13

wietraurig says...

A lot of silly comments about immigration on here. Interesting that Argus hasn't made the article further down the page (about the 'hero' who saved a girl from drowning) open for comments. Could it be because the hero is a Bulgarian immigrant?
Bl**dy foreigners coming over here and saving our children from drowning. Whatever next?
A lot of silly comments about immigration on here. Interesting that Argus hasn't made the article further down the page (about the 'hero' who saved a girl from drowning) open for comments. Could it be because the hero is a Bulgarian immigrant? Bl**dy foreigners coming over here and saving our children from drowning. Whatever next? wietraurig

4:28pm Mon 16 Dec 13

mark by the sea says...

wietraurig wrote:
A lot of silly comments about immigration on here. Interesting that Argus hasn't made the article further down the page (about the 'hero' who saved a girl from drowning) open for comments. Could it be because the hero is a Bulgarian immigrant?
Bl**dy foreigners coming over here and saving our children from drowning. Whatever next?
UKIP WILL CHANGE THE FACE OF POLITICS
[quote][p][bold]wietraurig[/bold] wrote: A lot of silly comments about immigration on here. Interesting that Argus hasn't made the article further down the page (about the 'hero' who saved a girl from drowning) open for comments. Could it be because the hero is a Bulgarian immigrant? Bl**dy foreigners coming over here and saving our children from drowning. Whatever next?[/p][/quote]UKIP WILL CHANGE THE FACE OF POLITICS mark by the sea

4:31pm Mon 16 Dec 13

nosolution says...

Where will it end? The open spaces around Brighton are essential for quality of life in this, the most heavily populated part of the most heavily populated country in Europe indeed not far off the world....
Where will it end? The open spaces around Brighton are essential for quality of life in this, the most heavily populated part of the most heavily populated country in Europe indeed not far off the world.... nosolution

5:59pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Telscombe Cliffy says...

s_james wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
hey mongo wrote:
Its not a lack of houses thats the problem its to many people...our beautiful countryside being destroyed so we can house eastern europe and the middle east?? Something cant be right here...
Wait till the Rumanian gypsies get here! They will be the ticket for ukip
I think you'll find its also an aging population, people being healthier and living in their own homes for longer, and more single person households. Demand for housing would be increasing even without any immigration.
It's also the fact that it's cr*p north of the M4, everyone wants to live in the South.
[quote][p][bold]s_james[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hey mongo[/bold] wrote: Its not a lack of houses thats the problem its to many people...our beautiful countryside being destroyed so we can house eastern europe and the middle east?? Something cant be right here...[/p][/quote]Wait till the Rumanian gypsies get here! They will be the ticket for ukip[/p][/quote]I think you'll find its also an aging population, people being healthier and living in their own homes for longer, and more single person households. Demand for housing would be increasing even without any immigration.[/p][/quote]It's also the fact that it's cr*p north of the M4, everyone wants to live in the South. Telscombe Cliffy

7:49pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Camel54 says...

So much for the coalition's much - vaunted "localism" drivel.
So much for the coalition's much - vaunted "localism" drivel. Camel54

11:01pm Mon 16 Dec 13

ARMANA says...

hey mongo wrote:
True people living longer and lots of single people adds to the problem which is all the more reason not to invite the whole world here...i love the diversity in brighton but please enough is enough...
Do it buddy, shake the political tree, there the only party, publicly saying there are to many here, the rest havnt got the bottle, shame on you Tories & Labour parties, gutless cowards, !!! VOTE UKIP,
[quote][p][bold]hey mongo[/bold] wrote: True people living longer and lots of single people adds to the problem which is all the more reason not to invite the whole world here...i love the diversity in brighton but please enough is enough...[/p][/quote]Do it buddy, shake the political tree, there the only party, publicly saying there are to many here, the rest havnt got the bottle, shame on you Tories & Labour parties, gutless cowards, !!! VOTE UKIP, ARMANA

11:27pm Mon 16 Dec 13

brighton bluenose says...

wietraurig wrote:
A lot of silly comments about immigration on here. Interesting that Argus hasn't made the article further down the page (about the 'hero' who saved a girl from drowning) open for comments. Could it be because the hero is a Bulgarian immigrant?
Bl**dy foreigners coming over here and saving our children from drowning. Whatever next?
Total respect and condolences for the young Bulgarian who saved the girls life and ended up giving his own in the process. However THAT is irrelevant to the discussion about immigration and its benefits or otherwise as well you know!
[quote][p][bold]wietraurig[/bold] wrote: A lot of silly comments about immigration on here. Interesting that Argus hasn't made the article further down the page (about the 'hero' who saved a girl from drowning) open for comments. Could it be because the hero is a Bulgarian immigrant? Bl**dy foreigners coming over here and saving our children from drowning. Whatever next?[/p][/quote]Total respect and condolences for the young Bulgarian who saved the girls life and ended up giving his own in the process. However THAT is irrelevant to the discussion about immigration and its benefits or otherwise as well you know! brighton bluenose

2:17am Tue 17 Dec 13

Tel Scoomer says...

The story is on the front page of the Argus and described as an exclusive but I read it on Friday on the Brighton and Hove News website www.brightonandhoven
ews.org
The story is on the front page of the Argus and described as an exclusive but I read it on Friday on the Brighton and Hove News website www.brightonandhoven ews.org Tel Scoomer

7:07am Tue 17 Dec 13

HJarrs says...

The need for so much housing to be built at such a rapid rate is primarily down to poor economic policies that has seen jobs and wealth become more concentrated in the southeast and housing policies that have led to boom and bust and too few houses being built for the last 30 years. This is Labour and Tory failure.

If you don't want people moving to B&H then either make the place less attractive or other places more attractive. I prefer the latter.
The need for so much housing to be built at such a rapid rate is primarily down to poor economic policies that has seen jobs and wealth become more concentrated in the southeast and housing policies that have led to boom and bust and too few houses being built for the last 30 years. This is Labour and Tory failure. If you don't want people moving to B&H then either make the place less attractive or other places more attractive. I prefer the latter. HJarrs

11:02am Tue 17 Dec 13

Hovite says...

So 450 homes destined for the King Alfred and 700 for Toad Hall. A slight imbalance there considering Toad Hall is over 20 times larger than the King Alfred site.

Who does the maths at the council?
So 450 homes destined for the King Alfred and 700 for Toad Hall. A slight imbalance there considering Toad Hall is over 20 times larger than the King Alfred site. Who does the maths at the council? Hovite

2:35am Wed 18 Dec 13

Zeta Function says...

People need green spaces to walk their dogs.
People need green spaces to walk their dogs. Zeta Function

5:32am Sat 21 Dec 13

Kate234 says...

KempyLocals wrote:
All those offices laying vacant, government allowing them to change to housing and yet in B&H the Council are trying to prevent this. It is the Council that has put the green spaces at risk - where have all the visionary politicians gone? Sadly we have none in B&H!!
There is a shortage of office space in Brighton. Where do you expect the jobs to be created to support increased population growth if you remove office space from the city? It is not fair expecting everyone to have to commute to London. I have a better solution. Anyone in Brighton not working should be made to move where there is excess housing if they cannot afford to pay for it in the city themselves. The exception to this rule should be disabled people with links to the area.
[quote][p][bold]KempyLocals[/bold] wrote: All those offices laying vacant, government allowing them to change to housing and yet in B&H the Council are trying to prevent this. It is the Council that has put the green spaces at risk - where have all the visionary politicians gone? Sadly we have none in B&H!![/p][/quote]There is a shortage of office space in Brighton. Where do you expect the jobs to be created to support increased population growth if you remove office space from the city? It is not fair expecting everyone to have to commute to London. I have a better solution. Anyone in Brighton not working should be made to move where there is excess housing if they cannot afford to pay for it in the city themselves. The exception to this rule should be disabled people with links to the area. Kate234

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