Brighton beach closed for Christmas Day swim over safety fears

The Argus: Brighton beach closed for Christmas Day swim over safety fears Brighton beach closed for Christmas Day swim over safety fears

A section of Brighton beach will be closed on Christmas Day ahead of the traditional swim in the sea.

Brighton and Hove City Council said there was high risk to anyone going into the water due to wet and windy conditions.

In response, it’s closed part of the beach either side of the Palace Pier to deter people from jumping in.

Seafront Operations Manager Viki Miller said: “The conditions are already hazardous and, although it can be tempting to have a quick swim in the sea at Christmas, it’s not worth putting yourself at risk.

"The temperature of the sea at this time of year is extremely cold and you can be caught out by strong currents or debris churned up by the storms.

“We will give people advice about safety as the weather is forecast to remain windy over Christmas and the beach will be closed on 25 December. We want people to be able to enjoy the beach, but safety is a top priority.”

There is no beach lifeguard service in operation during the winter months.

Brighton Seafront Team’s winter facts on why it’s better to stay on shore:

  • Sea temperatures in the winter months are about 5 degrees centigrade and can be even colder
  •  The wind chill makes the air temperature seem colder than the sea. Even on an apparently clear sunny day, the sea temperature can drop body temperature quickly and fatally
  • It only takes a few minutes for the body’s core temperature to drop by two degrees and for the onset of hypothermia to begin
  • It is never safe to go into the sea after drinking alcohol. Even a small amount of alcohol speeds up the onset of hypothermia in cold water. Drinking also reduces your capabilities.
  • You may also think you are a better swimmer than your true ability and take unnecessary risks.
  • Anyone with a pre-existing medical condition or taking medication runs additional risks by subjecting their body to a sudden drop of temperature by entering the sea.
  • Winter environmental conditions can be extremely challenging, even for the most experienced swimmers. The tide and the weather dictate the conditions and these should not be underestimated.
  • There is no beach lifeguard service provision in place during the winter months
  • Large crashing waves close to the shore can place lifeboat crews’ lives at risk and make it impossible to reach those in need.

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2:29pm Tue 24 Dec 13

medianscore says...

Just typical of B&H Council to play the nanny card. Who the hell do these Councils think they are? People have the free will to act stupidly or with responsibility but these unelected quangos just love to wag their fingers.

However did our relatives of past generations manage to win two world wars or survive life without the nanny state interfering at every step?
Just typical of B&H Council to play the nanny card. Who the hell do these Councils think they are? People have the free will to act stupidly or with responsibility but these unelected quangos just love to wag their fingers. However did our relatives of past generations manage to win two world wars or survive life without the nanny state interfering at every step? medianscore

3:57pm Tue 24 Dec 13

Pool 2 pier swimmer says...

I see no reason why this swim can't go ahead . Forecasted Wind speeds are relatively moderate and it will be low tide . There are so many positives that come out of the traditional Xmas dip in brighton . Brighton is massively important in the development of sea swimming and it's historic Xmas day swim is enjoyed by so many and has been copied across the globe. It's ironic that it's now effectively been closed for good in brighton ! Paul smith , brighton swimming centre .
I see no reason why this swim can't go ahead . Forecasted Wind speeds are relatively moderate and it will be low tide . There are so many positives that come out of the traditional Xmas dip in brighton . Brighton is massively important in the development of sea swimming and it's historic Xmas day swim is enjoyed by so many and has been copied across the globe. It's ironic that it's now effectively been closed for good in brighton ! Paul smith , brighton swimming centre . Pool 2 pier swimmer

4:16pm Tue 24 Dec 13

Pebbles says...

..... as long as they dont exceed 20mph then what is the problem? :)
..... as long as they dont exceed 20mph then what is the problem? :) Pebbles

4:34pm Tue 24 Dec 13

menowhere says...

go to another part of the beach
go to another part of the beach menowhere

5:09pm Tue 24 Dec 13

Rambling Leo-Pardman of the 7 Oceans and Moons says...

From Kent to Dorset there will be Christmas Day/Boxing Day/New Years Day swims - except Brighton .......again! The Victorians would have had none of this pathetic mumsy wumsy scare mungering. I did'nt see any cyclists being stopped yesterday in 45 - 50mph winds and driving rain, so whats wrong with a quick celebratory chilly dip at fairly LOW TIDE. This is all part of the Western disease of control through fear. Shame on this pathetic Council! - Im swimming tomorrow as I did today and yesterday and no one is gonna stop me. I shall be wearing leopard skin printed trunks, a hat, goggles and a red scarf,

Posted by "The First Person To Swim From Newhaven Harbour to Brighton Pier" (not that the Argus was interested)!
From Kent to Dorset there will be Christmas Day/Boxing Day/New Years Day swims - except Brighton .......again! The Victorians would have had none of this pathetic mumsy wumsy scare mungering. I did'nt see any cyclists being stopped yesterday in 45 - 50mph winds and driving rain, so whats wrong with a quick celebratory chilly dip at fairly LOW TIDE. This is all part of the Western disease of control through fear. Shame on this pathetic Council! - Im swimming tomorrow as I did today and yesterday and no one is gonna stop me. I shall be wearing leopard skin printed trunks, a hat, goggles and a red scarf, Posted by "The First Person To Swim From Newhaven Harbour to Brighton Pier" (not that the Argus was interested)! Rambling Leo-Pardman of the 7 Oceans and Moons

5:13pm Tue 24 Dec 13

LeonBIank666 says...

Will B&H council stop pubs from opening because booze kills a hell of a lot more people each year than Brighton beach!

I really hope the Greens (and their looney voters) have a thoroughly miserable Christmas!
Will B&H council stop pubs from opening because booze kills a hell of a lot more people each year than Brighton beach! I really hope the Greens (and their looney voters) have a thoroughly miserable Christmas! LeonBIank666

5:19pm Tue 24 Dec 13

Andy R says...

Ahh....Argus Comments...always the go-to place for some pre-Xmas dickheadery....

So now it's "nannyish" to manage a clearly hazardous situation, just days after one person has already been lost at sea. Will it be "nannyish" for people to risk their own lives trying to fish out someone who gets themselves into difficulties?

Ok...you can all go back to your drinks now....
Ahh....Argus Comments...always the go-to place for some pre-Xmas dickheadery.... So now it's "nannyish" to manage a clearly hazardous situation, just days after one person has already been lost at sea. Will it be "nannyish" for people to risk their own lives trying to fish out someone who gets themselves into difficulties? Ok...you can all go back to your drinks now.... Andy R

6:01pm Tue 24 Dec 13

ARMANA says...

Only one more Christmas to go, Greens, !!!
Only one more Christmas to go, Greens, !!! ARMANA

7:35pm Tue 24 Dec 13

concernedofBrighton says...

I say live and let live with the proviso that anyone jumping in to the sea is aware that no member of the RNLI will risk their lives to save them if they get into trouble. Every one wins!
I say live and let live with the proviso that anyone jumping in to the sea is aware that no member of the RNLI will risk their lives to save them if they get into trouble. Every one wins! concernedofBrighton

7:35pm Tue 24 Dec 13

Roundbill says...

To the list of reasons the Seafront Team have compiled, they could add "We still haven't found the bloated corpse of the last person who went in the water."
To the list of reasons the Seafront Team have compiled, they could add "We still haven't found the bloated corpse of the last person who went in the water." Roundbill

8:39pm Tue 24 Dec 13

Seventh Circle says...

its a shame but the event is hijacked by all sorts of people who think it's a good idea to swim on Christmas day .. and some are a bit drunk.... the regular swimmers know the conditions all too well but the large number of 'one off' swimmers need protecting for their own good
its a shame but the event is hijacked by all sorts of people who think it's a good idea to swim on Christmas day .. and some are a bit drunk.... the regular swimmers know the conditions all too well but the large number of 'one off' swimmers need protecting for their own good Seventh Circle

8:48pm Tue 24 Dec 13

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! says...

As you may expect - this is a green initiative to again stop the good tax paying working residents of Brighton from enjoying themselves.

2014 should be a great year for further creation of misery.

We hope that more people like ARSEBOY (deviant) come into the city to create mayhem for others.
As you may expect - this is a green initiative to again stop the good tax paying working residents of Brighton from enjoying themselves. 2014 should be a great year for further creation of misery. We hope that more people like ARSEBOY (deviant) come into the city to create mayhem for others. I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars!

6:17am Wed 25 Dec 13

monkeymoo says...

Pool 2 pier swimmer wrote:
I see no reason why this swim can't go ahead . Forecasted Wind speeds are relatively moderate and it will be low tide . There are so many positives that come out of the traditional Xmas dip in brighton . Brighton is massively important in the development of sea swimming and it's historic Xmas day swim is enjoyed by so many and has been copied across the globe. It's ironic that it's now effectively been closed for good in brighton ! Paul smith , brighton swimming centre .
Copied across the globe?

So the people living in the Southern hemisphere didn't think of swimming in the sea on Christmas day, when its pushing 30 deg cel?
They had to wait to get the idea from a few old men in Brighton!

Anyway...
Why has the council closed the beach for a swim due to 'Wet conditions'?
Surely that's the whole point!
[quote][p][bold]Pool 2 pier swimmer[/bold] wrote: I see no reason why this swim can't go ahead . Forecasted Wind speeds are relatively moderate and it will be low tide . There are so many positives that come out of the traditional Xmas dip in brighton . Brighton is massively important in the development of sea swimming and it's historic Xmas day swim is enjoyed by so many and has been copied across the globe. It's ironic that it's now effectively been closed for good in brighton ! Paul smith , brighton swimming centre .[/p][/quote]Copied across the globe? So the people living in the Southern hemisphere didn't think of swimming in the sea on Christmas day, when its pushing 30 deg cel? They had to wait to get the idea from a few old men in Brighton! Anyway... Why has the council closed the beach for a swim due to 'Wet conditions'? Surely that's the whole point! monkeymoo

6:45am Wed 25 Dec 13

Boloney-marshal says...

The area above the high water mark belongs to whoever owns the adjacent land, local authorities. The area between the high water mark and the low water mark belongs to the Crown. My advice would be to jump off the end of the pier or hire a boat and swim off shore....simples!
The area above the high water mark belongs to whoever owns the adjacent land, local authorities. The area between the high water mark and the low water mark belongs to the Crown. My advice would be to jump off the end of the pier or hire a boat and swim off shore....simples! Boloney-marshal

7:17am Wed 25 Dec 13

Stu says...

medianscore wrote:
Just typical of B&H Council to play the nanny card. Who the hell do these Councils think they are? People have the free will to act stupidly or with responsibility but these unelected quangos just love to wag their fingers.

However did our relatives of past generations manage to win two world wars or survive life without the nanny state interfering at every step?
The nanny state put railings around seven dials roundabout. B&H council took them away. Now you get idiots walking straight across the roundabout who dont seem to realise that modern cars have thick windscreen pillars that can obscure pedestrians. The nanny state will always be necessary to protect those of below average intelligence.
[quote][p][bold]medianscore[/bold] wrote: Just typical of B&H Council to play the nanny card. Who the hell do these Councils think they are? People have the free will to act stupidly or with responsibility but these unelected quangos just love to wag their fingers. However did our relatives of past generations manage to win two world wars or survive life without the nanny state interfering at every step?[/p][/quote]The nanny state put railings around seven dials roundabout. B&H council took them away. Now you get idiots walking straight across the roundabout who dont seem to realise that modern cars have thick windscreen pillars that can obscure pedestrians. The nanny state will always be necessary to protect those of below average intelligence. Stu

8:18am Wed 25 Dec 13

graham_Seagull says...

Stu wrote:
medianscore wrote:
Just typical of B&H Council to play the nanny card. Who the hell do these Councils think they are? People have the free will to act stupidly or with responsibility but these unelected quangos just love to wag their fingers.

However did our relatives of past generations manage to win two world wars or survive life without the nanny state interfering at every step?
The nanny state put railings around seven dials roundabout. B&H council took them away. Now you get idiots walking straight across the roundabout who dont seem to realise that modern cars have thick windscreen pillars that can obscure pedestrians. The nanny state will always be necessary to protect those of below average intelligence.
It's a real shame that professionals -lifeboat crew, coastguards- were involved in the decision not to encourage swimming but you and others like you childishly blame it on the council.

If a swimmer gets into trouble the crews are duty bound to assist, which means their lives are put at risk for something that could be prevented.
Whilst the crews would be on-site for the swimming that means they are not available elsewhere, which could mean someone else doesn't get picked out of the water in time.

Re the 7 disks - it's fab, as a pedestrian (as you are too at some point) I can now walk across it and not take in numerous crossings just to get from one side to the other, that's the point of it.

If your car has extra thick pillars then I suggest you slow down, take a better look, and plan better. I can't think that all of a sudden a road design has been created which causes you unique problems - more likely you're simply a cr&p driver.
[quote][p][bold]Stu[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]medianscore[/bold] wrote: Just typical of B&H Council to play the nanny card. Who the hell do these Councils think they are? People have the free will to act stupidly or with responsibility but these unelected quangos just love to wag their fingers. However did our relatives of past generations manage to win two world wars or survive life without the nanny state interfering at every step?[/p][/quote]The nanny state put railings around seven dials roundabout. B&H council took them away. Now you get idiots walking straight across the roundabout who dont seem to realise that modern cars have thick windscreen pillars that can obscure pedestrians. The nanny state will always be necessary to protect those of below average intelligence.[/p][/quote]It's a real shame that professionals -lifeboat crew, coastguards- were involved in the decision not to encourage swimming but you and others like you childishly blame it on the council. If a swimmer gets into trouble the crews are duty bound to assist, which means their lives are put at risk for something that could be prevented. Whilst the crews would be on-site for the swimming that means they are not available elsewhere, which could mean someone else doesn't get picked out of the water in time. Re the 7 disks - it's fab, as a pedestrian (as you are too at some point) I can now walk across it and not take in numerous crossings just to get from one side to the other, that's the point of it. If your car has extra thick pillars then I suggest you slow down, take a better look, and plan better. I can't think that all of a sudden a road design has been created which causes you unique problems - more likely you're simply a cr&p driver. graham_Seagull

12:19pm Wed 25 Dec 13

AGT999 says...

Come on Labour and Conservatives, work out between you what you can agree on and call a vote of 'no confidence' and dump the Greens, neither of your 2 parties could do the damage to Brighton what the Greens have done.
Come on Labour and Conservatives, work out between you what you can agree on and call a vote of 'no confidence' and dump the Greens, neither of your 2 parties could do the damage to Brighton what the Greens have done. AGT999

9:45pm Wed 25 Dec 13

her professional says...

"A section of the beach either side of the Palace Pier has been closed to deter people from jumping in".
Where exactly does that say that the Xmas swimmers will be stopped?
Hope they enjoy their swim if they decide to go ahead, but as posted above, let's hope the RNLI don't end up risking life and limb having to rescue anyone in trouble.
If being an ugly Marxist etc etc means not being aligned with Andy R then count me in.
"A section of the beach either side of the Palace Pier has been closed to deter people from jumping in". Where exactly does that say that the Xmas swimmers will be stopped? Hope they enjoy their swim if they decide to go ahead, but as posted above, let's hope the RNLI don't end up risking life and limb having to rescue anyone in trouble. If being an ugly Marxist etc etc means not being aligned with Andy R then count me in. her professional

3:16am Thu 26 Dec 13

abracadab says...

graham_Seagull wrote:
Stu wrote:
medianscore wrote:
Just typical of B&H Council to play the nanny card. Who the hell do these Councils think they are? People have the free will to act stupidly or with responsibility but these unelected quangos just love to wag their fingers.

However did our relatives of past generations manage to win two world wars or survive life without the nanny state interfering at every step?
The nanny state put railings around seven dials roundabout. B&H council took them away. Now you get idiots walking straight across the roundabout who dont seem to realise that modern cars have thick windscreen pillars that can obscure pedestrians. The nanny state will always be necessary to protect those of below average intelligence.
It's a real shame that professionals -lifeboat crew, coastguards- were involved in the decision not to encourage swimming but you and others like you childishly blame it on the council.

If a swimmer gets into trouble the crews are duty bound to assist, which means their lives are put at risk for something that could be prevented.
Whilst the crews would be on-site for the swimming that means they are not available elsewhere, which could mean someone else doesn't get picked out of the water in time.

Re the 7 disks - it's fab, as a pedestrian (as you are too at some point) I can now walk across it and not take in numerous crossings just to get from one side to the other, that's the point of it.

If your car has extra thick pillars then I suggest you slow down, take a better look, and plan better. I can't think that all of a sudden a road design has been created which causes you unique problems - more likely you're simply a cr&p driver.
Coastguards, RNLI, Lifeboat crew will ALWAYS be on hand to help any sea users in trouble, 24/7, and they will NEVER try to prevent people from using the sea whatever the conditions - they will simply offer advice.
It is just BHCC 'officers' (far less experienced/qualifie
d than the above) who feel they have some right to dictate to the public when they are 'allowed' to enjoy the sea.
Legally they have no such right (yet). They have recently introduced byelaws to effectively (and successfully) prevent sailors, windsurfers and kitesurfers from using most of the beaches in Brighton and Hove, but swimmers are legally still free to swim where and when they want.
So go swim.
[quote][p][bold]graham_Seagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stu[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]medianscore[/bold] wrote: Just typical of B&H Council to play the nanny card. Who the hell do these Councils think they are? People have the free will to act stupidly or with responsibility but these unelected quangos just love to wag their fingers. However did our relatives of past generations manage to win two world wars or survive life without the nanny state interfering at every step?[/p][/quote]The nanny state put railings around seven dials roundabout. B&H council took them away. Now you get idiots walking straight across the roundabout who dont seem to realise that modern cars have thick windscreen pillars that can obscure pedestrians. The nanny state will always be necessary to protect those of below average intelligence.[/p][/quote]It's a real shame that professionals -lifeboat crew, coastguards- were involved in the decision not to encourage swimming but you and others like you childishly blame it on the council. If a swimmer gets into trouble the crews are duty bound to assist, which means their lives are put at risk for something that could be prevented. Whilst the crews would be on-site for the swimming that means they are not available elsewhere, which could mean someone else doesn't get picked out of the water in time. Re the 7 disks - it's fab, as a pedestrian (as you are too at some point) I can now walk across it and not take in numerous crossings just to get from one side to the other, that's the point of it. If your car has extra thick pillars then I suggest you slow down, take a better look, and plan better. I can't think that all of a sudden a road design has been created which causes you unique problems - more likely you're simply a cr&p driver.[/p][/quote]Coastguards, RNLI, Lifeboat crew will ALWAYS be on hand to help any sea users in trouble, 24/7, and they will NEVER try to prevent people from using the sea whatever the conditions - they will simply offer advice. It is just BHCC 'officers' (far less experienced/qualifie d than the above) who feel they have some right to dictate to the public when they are 'allowed' to enjoy the sea. Legally they have no such right (yet). They have recently introduced byelaws to effectively (and successfully) prevent sailors, windsurfers and kitesurfers from using most of the beaches in Brighton and Hove, but swimmers are legally still free to swim where and when they want. So go swim. abracadab

3:55am Thu 26 Dec 13

abracadab says...

I should expand on 'So go swim'.
Take responsibility for your safety and that of your companions.
Always ensure someone on land knows you have gone swimming, how many swimmers you are, and when you expect to be back.
Avoid swimming 2 hours either side of high water in Brighton & Hove - it can be dangerous due to steeply shelving shingle - hard to get out at times.
Inform yourself about tidal currents. The current can be strong and may be flowing either East to West or West to East, so if you are swimming close to piers you should be aware of the direction.
Enjoy!
I should expand on 'So go swim'. Take responsibility for your safety and that of your companions. Always ensure someone on land knows you have gone swimming, how many swimmers you are, and when you expect to be back. Avoid swimming 2 hours either side of high water in Brighton & Hove - it can be dangerous due to steeply shelving shingle - hard to get out at times. Inform yourself about tidal currents. The current can be strong and may be flowing either East to West or West to East, so if you are swimming close to piers you should be aware of the direction. Enjoy! abracadab

8:40am Thu 26 Dec 13

MICKY389 says...

I see we have the normal nut case right wing plonkers around . Obviously it seems some people are so stupid that they cannot look after their own safety, and make others risk their lives trying to rescue them, so sadly someone has to do it for them
I see we have the normal nut case right wing plonkers around . Obviously it seems some people are so stupid that they cannot look after their own safety, and make others risk their lives trying to rescue them, so sadly someone has to do it for them MICKY389

8:46am Thu 26 Dec 13

graham_Seagull says...

abracadab wrote:
graham_Seagull wrote:
Stu wrote:
medianscore wrote: Just typical of B&H Council to play the nanny card. Who the hell do these Councils think they are? People have the free will to act stupidly or with responsibility but these unelected quangos just love to wag their fingers. However did our relatives of past generations manage to win two world wars or survive life without the nanny state interfering at every step?
The nanny state put railings around seven dials roundabout. B&H council took them away. Now you get idiots walking straight across the roundabout who dont seem to realise that modern cars have thick windscreen pillars that can obscure pedestrians. The nanny state will always be necessary to protect those of below average intelligence.
It's a real shame that professionals -lifeboat crew, coastguards- were involved in the decision not to encourage swimming but you and others like you childishly blame it on the council. If a swimmer gets into trouble the crews are duty bound to assist, which means their lives are put at risk for something that could be prevented. Whilst the crews would be on-site for the swimming that means they are not available elsewhere, which could mean someone else doesn't get picked out of the water in time. Re the 7 disks - it's fab, as a pedestrian (as you are too at some point) I can now walk across it and not take in numerous crossings just to get from one side to the other, that's the point of it. If your car has extra thick pillars then I suggest you slow down, take a better look, and plan better. I can't think that all of a sudden a road design has been created which causes you unique problems - more likely you're simply a cr&p driver.
Coastguards, RNLI, Lifeboat crew will ALWAYS be on hand to help any sea users in trouble, 24/7, and they will NEVER try to prevent people from using the sea whatever the conditions - they will simply offer advice. It is just BHCC 'officers' (far less experienced/qualifie d than the above) who feel they have some right to dictate to the public when they are 'allowed' to enjoy the sea. Legally they have no such right (yet). They have recently introduced byelaws to effectively (and successfully) prevent sailors, windsurfers and kitesurfers from using most of the beaches in Brighton and Hove, but swimmers are legally still free to swim where and when they want. So go swim.
The council 'own' the beach above the tide mark, so as landowners will have responsibility for it.
Part of that responsibility will mean they must have insurance against adverse things happening on their land.
That insurance will say 'you must not allow your land to be used for activities which are contrary to law or are contrary to the reasonable advice of the relevant authority (in this case the coastguard advice) otherwise your insurance will be void.

Hence the council administrators have a duty to protect us as council tax payers from litigation resulting from their land being used in a manner that runs contrary to reasonable advice.

They can't close the entire beach so they have to demonstrate they have taken appropriate steps to inform users of their land of the dangers.

So the council will be acting from an interpretation of the law and their relationship with their insurers, plus taking into account recent events.

Maybe they've gone slightly overboard, but as we don't know the legal advice they've been given nor their insurance arrangements then its not easy to say for sure.
[quote][p][bold]abracadab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]graham_Seagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stu[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]medianscore[/bold] wrote: Just typical of B&H Council to play the nanny card. Who the hell do these Councils think they are? People have the free will to act stupidly or with responsibility but these unelected quangos just love to wag their fingers. However did our relatives of past generations manage to win two world wars or survive life without the nanny state interfering at every step?[/p][/quote]The nanny state put railings around seven dials roundabout. B&H council took them away. Now you get idiots walking straight across the roundabout who dont seem to realise that modern cars have thick windscreen pillars that can obscure pedestrians. The nanny state will always be necessary to protect those of below average intelligence.[/p][/quote]It's a real shame that professionals -lifeboat crew, coastguards- were involved in the decision not to encourage swimming but you and others like you childishly blame it on the council. If a swimmer gets into trouble the crews are duty bound to assist, which means their lives are put at risk for something that could be prevented. Whilst the crews would be on-site for the swimming that means they are not available elsewhere, which could mean someone else doesn't get picked out of the water in time. Re the 7 disks - it's fab, as a pedestrian (as you are too at some point) I can now walk across it and not take in numerous crossings just to get from one side to the other, that's the point of it. If your car has extra thick pillars then I suggest you slow down, take a better look, and plan better. I can't think that all of a sudden a road design has been created which causes you unique problems - more likely you're simply a cr&p driver.[/p][/quote]Coastguards, RNLI, Lifeboat crew will ALWAYS be on hand to help any sea users in trouble, 24/7, and they will NEVER try to prevent people from using the sea whatever the conditions - they will simply offer advice. It is just BHCC 'officers' (far less experienced/qualifie d than the above) who feel they have some right to dictate to the public when they are 'allowed' to enjoy the sea. Legally they have no such right (yet). They have recently introduced byelaws to effectively (and successfully) prevent sailors, windsurfers and kitesurfers from using most of the beaches in Brighton and Hove, but swimmers are legally still free to swim where and when they want. So go swim.[/p][/quote]The council 'own' the beach above the tide mark, so as landowners will have responsibility for it. Part of that responsibility will mean they must have insurance against adverse things happening on their land. That insurance will say 'you must not allow your land to be used for activities which are contrary to law or are contrary to the reasonable advice of the relevant authority (in this case the coastguard advice) otherwise your insurance will be void. Hence the council administrators have a duty to protect us as council tax payers from litigation resulting from their land being used in a manner that runs contrary to reasonable advice. They can't close the entire beach so they have to demonstrate they have taken appropriate steps to inform users of their land of the dangers. So the council will be acting from an interpretation of the law and their relationship with their insurers, plus taking into account recent events. Maybe they've gone slightly overboard, but as we don't know the legal advice they've been given nor their insurance arrangements then its not easy to say for sure. graham_Seagull

2:51pm Thu 26 Dec 13

ARMANA says...

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! wrote:
As you may expect - this is a green initiative to again stop the good tax paying working residents of Brighton from enjoying themselves.

2014 should be a great year for further creation of misery.

We hope that more people like ARSEBOY (deviant) come into the city to create mayhem for others.
Usual Green Bolxxx, !!! from Gatling Gob, !!!
[quote][p][bold]I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars![/bold] wrote: As you may expect - this is a green initiative to again stop the good tax paying working residents of Brighton from enjoying themselves. 2014 should be a great year for further creation of misery. We hope that more people like ARSEBOY (deviant) come into the city to create mayhem for others.[/p][/quote]Usual Green Bolxxx, !!! from Gatling Gob, !!! ARMANA

7:53am Sun 29 Dec 13

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! says...

ARMANA wrote:
I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! wrote:
As you may expect - this is a green initiative to again stop the good tax paying working residents of Brighton from enjoying themselves.

2014 should be a great year for further creation of misery.

We hope that more people like ARSEBOY (deviant) come into the city to create mayhem for others.
Usual Green Bolxxx, !!! from Gatling Gob, !!!
Arseboy has taken too much sausage in the wrong way and its now coming out of his mouth as verbal sh11te
[quote][p][bold]ARMANA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars![/bold] wrote: As you may expect - this is a green initiative to again stop the good tax paying working residents of Brighton from enjoying themselves. 2014 should be a great year for further creation of misery. We hope that more people like ARSEBOY (deviant) come into the city to create mayhem for others.[/p][/quote]Usual Green Bolxxx, !!! from Gatling Gob, !!![/p][/quote]Arseboy has taken too much sausage in the wrong way and its now coming out of his mouth as verbal sh11te I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars!

11:38pm Wed 1 Jan 14

abracadab says...

graham_Seagull wrote:
abracadab wrote:
graham_Seagull wrote:
Stu wrote:
medianscore wrote: Just typical of B&H Council to play the nanny card. Who the hell do these Councils think they are? People have the free will to act stupidly or with responsibility but these unelected quangos just love to wag their fingers. However did our relatives of past generations manage to win two world wars or survive life without the nanny state interfering at every step?
The nanny state put railings around seven dials roundabout. B&H council took them away. Now you get idiots walking straight across the roundabout who dont seem to realise that modern cars have thick windscreen pillars that can obscure pedestrians. The nanny state will always be necessary to protect those of below average intelligence.
It's a real shame that professionals -lifeboat crew, coastguards- were involved in the decision not to encourage swimming but you and others like you childishly blame it on the council. If a swimmer gets into trouble the crews are duty bound to assist, which means their lives are put at risk for something that could be prevented. Whilst the crews would be on-site for the swimming that means they are not available elsewhere, which could mean someone else doesn't get picked out of the water in time. Re the 7 disks - it's fab, as a pedestrian (as you are too at some point) I can now walk across it and not take in numerous crossings just to get from one side to the other, that's the point of it. If your car has extra thick pillars then I suggest you slow down, take a better look, and plan better. I can't think that all of a sudden a road design has been created which causes you unique problems - more likely you're simply a cr&p driver.
Coastguards, RNLI, Lifeboat crew will ALWAYS be on hand to help any sea users in trouble, 24/7, and they will NEVER try to prevent people from using the sea whatever the conditions - they will simply offer advice. It is just BHCC 'officers' (far less experienced/qualifie d than the above) who feel they have some right to dictate to the public when they are 'allowed' to enjoy the sea. Legally they have no such right (yet). They have recently introduced byelaws to effectively (and successfully) prevent sailors, windsurfers and kitesurfers from using most of the beaches in Brighton and Hove, but swimmers are legally still free to swim where and when they want. So go swim.
The council 'own' the beach above the tide mark, so as landowners will have responsibility for it.
Part of that responsibility will mean they must have insurance against adverse things happening on their land.
That insurance will say 'you must not allow your land to be used for activities which are contrary to law or are contrary to the reasonable advice of the relevant authority (in this case the coastguard advice) otherwise your insurance will be void.

Hence the council administrators have a duty to protect us as council tax payers from litigation resulting from their land being used in a manner that runs contrary to reasonable advice.

They can't close the entire beach so they have to demonstrate they have taken appropriate steps to inform users of their land of the dangers.

So the council will be acting from an interpretation of the law and their relationship with their insurers, plus taking into account recent events.

Maybe they've gone slightly overboard, but as we don't know the legal advice they've been given nor their insurance arrangements then its not easy to say for sure.
Yes, the Council only have jurestiction around what happens above the high water mark.
You try swimming above the high water mark!
BHCC are very aware of this legal situation, which is why they are not trying to legally ban us from swimming in the sea, although they would clearly like to.
So they resort to blocking physical access to the traditional beach used by swimmers around Christmas and New Year.
The outcome of this action will likely be to disperse swimmers to various beaches in Brighton and Hove, rather than have most people using the same beach, making it more difficult for the RNLI to deal with emergencies..
I wonder if BHCC officers bothered to consult with the RNLI before banning swimmers from using the traditional beach? It is the RNLI who generally have to pick up the bodies, so their involvement in such decisions should be a given.
Maybe the Argus would like to ask this question of BHCC?
[quote][p][bold]graham_Seagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]abracadab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]graham_Seagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stu[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]medianscore[/bold] wrote: Just typical of B&H Council to play the nanny card. Who the hell do these Councils think they are? People have the free will to act stupidly or with responsibility but these unelected quangos just love to wag their fingers. However did our relatives of past generations manage to win two world wars or survive life without the nanny state interfering at every step?[/p][/quote]The nanny state put railings around seven dials roundabout. B&H council took them away. Now you get idiots walking straight across the roundabout who dont seem to realise that modern cars have thick windscreen pillars that can obscure pedestrians. The nanny state will always be necessary to protect those of below average intelligence.[/p][/quote]It's a real shame that professionals -lifeboat crew, coastguards- were involved in the decision not to encourage swimming but you and others like you childishly blame it on the council. If a swimmer gets into trouble the crews are duty bound to assist, which means their lives are put at risk for something that could be prevented. Whilst the crews would be on-site for the swimming that means they are not available elsewhere, which could mean someone else doesn't get picked out of the water in time. Re the 7 disks - it's fab, as a pedestrian (as you are too at some point) I can now walk across it and not take in numerous crossings just to get from one side to the other, that's the point of it. If your car has extra thick pillars then I suggest you slow down, take a better look, and plan better. I can't think that all of a sudden a road design has been created which causes you unique problems - more likely you're simply a cr&p driver.[/p][/quote]Coastguards, RNLI, Lifeboat crew will ALWAYS be on hand to help any sea users in trouble, 24/7, and they will NEVER try to prevent people from using the sea whatever the conditions - they will simply offer advice. It is just BHCC 'officers' (far less experienced/qualifie d than the above) who feel they have some right to dictate to the public when they are 'allowed' to enjoy the sea. Legally they have no such right (yet). They have recently introduced byelaws to effectively (and successfully) prevent sailors, windsurfers and kitesurfers from using most of the beaches in Brighton and Hove, but swimmers are legally still free to swim where and when they want. So go swim.[/p][/quote]The council 'own' the beach above the tide mark, so as landowners will have responsibility for it. Part of that responsibility will mean they must have insurance against adverse things happening on their land. That insurance will say 'you must not allow your land to be used for activities which are contrary to law or are contrary to the reasonable advice of the relevant authority (in this case the coastguard advice) otherwise your insurance will be void. Hence the council administrators have a duty to protect us as council tax payers from litigation resulting from their land being used in a manner that runs contrary to reasonable advice. They can't close the entire beach so they have to demonstrate they have taken appropriate steps to inform users of their land of the dangers. So the council will be acting from an interpretation of the law and their relationship with their insurers, plus taking into account recent events. Maybe they've gone slightly overboard, but as we don't know the legal advice they've been given nor their insurance arrangements then its not easy to say for sure.[/p][/quote]Yes, the Council only have jurestiction around what happens above the high water mark. You try swimming above the high water mark! BHCC are very aware of this legal situation, which is why they are not trying to legally ban us from swimming in the sea, although they would clearly like to. So they resort to blocking physical access to the traditional beach used by swimmers around Christmas and New Year. The outcome of this action will likely be to disperse swimmers to various beaches in Brighton and Hove, rather than have most people using the same beach, making it more difficult for the RNLI to deal with emergencies.. I wonder if BHCC officers bothered to consult with the RNLI before banning swimmers from using the traditional beach? It is the RNLI who generally have to pick up the bodies, so their involvement in such decisions should be a given. Maybe the Argus would like to ask this question of BHCC? abracadab

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