'Significant' work to fix train track landslip

The Argus: Landslip causes fresh rail misery Landslip causes fresh rail misery

A landslip has heaped fresh misery on rail users on top of pre-planned engineering works.

Network Rail said a “significant amount of work” would be needed to get the route between Horsham and Dorking back to normal after the major problem at Ockley, which happened following Monday's storm. 

Meanwhile the Brighton mainline was subject to major improvement works forcing travellers onto lengthy bus replacement services.

Passengers between London to Gatwick have had to take a train to Dorking, a bus to Three Bridges and a shuttle to the airport.

London Victoria to Brighton travellers have faced two hour bus journeys via East Grinstead.

A statement from Southern Railway read: “Network Rail has been assessing the damage and unfortunately there needs to be a significant amount of work carried out to get the track back to normal.

“This will not be a quick repair and we are working with Network Rail to determine what service we can provide in the meantime.”

The public is asked to check the service prior to travel at www.southernrailway.com.

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12:49pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Wiggsy says...

Tree Bridges?
Tree Bridges? Wiggsy

12:51pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Number Six says...

Where is "Tree" Bridges?

And Argus, would you care to explain the point of having the same picture for every rail story, just like that exciting picture of police tape that you keep using. Just don't bother. It adds nothing whatsoever
Where is "Tree" Bridges? And Argus, would you care to explain the point of having the same picture for every rail story, just like that exciting picture of police tape that you keep using. Just don't bother. It adds nothing whatsoever Number Six

1:01pm Sun 29 Dec 13

ICantThinkOfAName says...

Wiggsy wrote:
Tree Bridges?
Irish accent?
[quote][p][bold]Wiggsy[/bold] wrote: Tree Bridges?[/p][/quote]Irish accent? ICantThinkOfAName

3:57pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Sussex jim says...

ICantThinkOfAName wrote:
Wiggsy wrote:
Tree Bridges?
Irish accent?
Buses from Dorking to THREE Bridges; buses from 3B to East Grinstead for Victoria: it reminds me of the time 2 or 3 years ago when we had to get the Horsham train from Victoria to get to Brighton, due to "one under" at South Croydon.
It is time to rebuild the line between Ardingly and Horsted Keynes. It is only 3500 metres; or two and a quarter miles in old money. It may be a single line on the Bluebell to EG; but every little helps. (perhaps Tesco could sponsor it?)
[quote][p][bold]ICantThinkOfAName[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wiggsy[/bold] wrote: Tree Bridges?[/p][/quote]Irish accent?[/p][/quote]Buses from Dorking to THREE Bridges; buses from 3B to East Grinstead for Victoria: it reminds me of the time 2 or 3 years ago when we had to get the Horsham train from Victoria to get to Brighton, due to "one under" at South Croydon. It is time to rebuild the line between Ardingly and Horsted Keynes. It is only 3500 metres; or two and a quarter miles in old money. It may be a single line on the Bluebell to EG; but every little helps. (perhaps Tesco could sponsor it?) Sussex jim

5:08pm Sun 29 Dec 13

MuammarQaddafi says...

"Major improvement works" on the Brighton mainline? Who's the bright spark that scheduled improvement works for winter? In most places, improvement works take place during the summer, when long days and good weather improve the circumstances and shorten the number of days required. But then, that's common sense, strictly forbidden at Network Rail.
"Major improvement works" on the Brighton mainline? Who's the bright spark that scheduled improvement works for winter? In most places, improvement works take place during the summer, when long days and good weather improve the circumstances and shorten the number of days required. But then, that's common sense, strictly forbidden at Network Rail. MuammarQaddafi

5:28pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit says...

I've just bought a car so I'm now mercifully spared from all this. Jams on the M25 will make a nice change and at least I'll have my own space instead of being crammed into a cattle truck.
I've just bought a car so I'm now mercifully spared from all this. Jams on the M25 will make a nice change and at least I'll have my own space instead of being crammed into a cattle truck. Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit

5:29pm Sun 29 Dec 13

fredaj says...

MuammarQaddafi wrote:
"Major improvement works" on the Brighton mainline? Who's the bright spark that scheduled improvement works for winter? In most places, improvement works take place during the summer, when long days and good weather improve the circumstances and shorten the number of days required. But then, that's common sense, strictly forbidden at Network Rail.
Christmas is the only time it is possible to shut the track for up to 2 weeks with a minimum of disruption to passengers - so that's why.

And a huge amount of effort goes into the logistics to make it work, which 99.99% of the time it does. You only hear about the bits round the edges where there is a story, not about the numbers of people organising the schedule, getting the kits prepared and in place and those actually doing the work itself.

And as for common sense? There is nothing "common" about the sense required to do this job. It needs experience and expertise.
[quote][p][bold]MuammarQaddafi[/bold] wrote: "Major improvement works" on the Brighton mainline? Who's the bright spark that scheduled improvement works for winter? In most places, improvement works take place during the summer, when long days and good weather improve the circumstances and shorten the number of days required. But then, that's common sense, strictly forbidden at Network Rail.[/p][/quote]Christmas is the only time it is possible to shut the track for up to 2 weeks with a minimum of disruption to passengers - so that's why. And a huge amount of effort goes into the logistics to make it work, which 99.99% of the time it does. You only hear about the bits round the edges where there is a story, not about the numbers of people organising the schedule, getting the kits prepared and in place and those actually doing the work itself. And as for common sense? There is nothing "common" about the sense required to do this job. It needs experience and expertise. fredaj

5:55pm Sun 29 Dec 13

scsfoxrabbit says...

Sussex jim wrote:
ICantThinkOfAName wrote:
Wiggsy wrote:
Tree Bridges?
Irish accent?
Buses from Dorking to THREE Bridges; buses from 3B to East Grinstead for Victoria: it reminds me of the time 2 or 3 years ago when we had to get the Horsham train from Victoria to get to Brighton, due to "one under" at South Croydon.
It is time to rebuild the line between Ardingly and Horsted Keynes. It is only 3500 metres; or two and a quarter miles in old money. It may be a single line on the Bluebell to EG; but every little helps. (perhaps Tesco could sponsor it?)
Bluebell already owns trackbed from HK to Ardingly and we are considering our new Western Extension Project
[quote][p][bold]Sussex jim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ICantThinkOfAName[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wiggsy[/bold] wrote: Tree Bridges?[/p][/quote]Irish accent?[/p][/quote]Buses from Dorking to THREE Bridges; buses from 3B to East Grinstead for Victoria: it reminds me of the time 2 or 3 years ago when we had to get the Horsham train from Victoria to get to Brighton, due to "one under" at South Croydon. It is time to rebuild the line between Ardingly and Horsted Keynes. It is only 3500 metres; or two and a quarter miles in old money. It may be a single line on the Bluebell to EG; but every little helps. (perhaps Tesco could sponsor it?)[/p][/quote]Bluebell already owns trackbed from HK to Ardingly and we are considering our new Western Extension Project scsfoxrabbit

7:45pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Quiterie says...

fredaj wrote:
MuammarQaddafi wrote:
"Major improvement works" on the Brighton mainline? Who's the bright spark that scheduled improvement works for winter? In most places, improvement works take place during the summer, when long days and good weather improve the circumstances and shorten the number of days required. But then, that's common sense, strictly forbidden at Network Rail.
Christmas is the only time it is possible to shut the track for up to 2 weeks with a minimum of disruption to passengers - so that's why.

And a huge amount of effort goes into the logistics to make it work, which 99.99% of the time it does. You only hear about the bits round the edges where there is a story, not about the numbers of people organising the schedule, getting the kits prepared and in place and those actually doing the work itself.

And as for common sense? There is nothing "common" about the sense required to do this job. It needs experience and expertise.
Huge amount of effort goes into the logistics? And yet we only got a month's notice of the line closures?!?

Not good enough. Nowhere near. Shocking Customer Service.
[quote][p][bold]fredaj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MuammarQaddafi[/bold] wrote: "Major improvement works" on the Brighton mainline? Who's the bright spark that scheduled improvement works for winter? In most places, improvement works take place during the summer, when long days and good weather improve the circumstances and shorten the number of days required. But then, that's common sense, strictly forbidden at Network Rail.[/p][/quote]Christmas is the only time it is possible to shut the track for up to 2 weeks with a minimum of disruption to passengers - so that's why. And a huge amount of effort goes into the logistics to make it work, which 99.99% of the time it does. You only hear about the bits round the edges where there is a story, not about the numbers of people organising the schedule, getting the kits prepared and in place and those actually doing the work itself. And as for common sense? There is nothing "common" about the sense required to do this job. It needs experience and expertise.[/p][/quote]Huge amount of effort goes into the logistics? And yet we only got a month's notice of the line closures?!? Not good enough. Nowhere near. Shocking Customer Service. Quiterie

8:06pm Sun 29 Dec 13

fredaj says...

Quiterie wrote:
fredaj wrote:
MuammarQaddafi wrote:
"Major improvement works" on the Brighton mainline? Who's the bright spark that scheduled improvement works for winter? In most places, improvement works take place during the summer, when long days and good weather improve the circumstances and shorten the number of days required. But then, that's common sense, strictly forbidden at Network Rail.
Christmas is the only time it is possible to shut the track for up to 2 weeks with a minimum of disruption to passengers - so that's why.

And a huge amount of effort goes into the logistics to make it work, which 99.99% of the time it does. You only hear about the bits round the edges where there is a story, not about the numbers of people organising the schedule, getting the kits prepared and in place and those actually doing the work itself.

And as for common sense? There is nothing "common" about the sense required to do this job. It needs experience and expertise.
Huge amount of effort goes into the logistics? And yet we only got a month's notice of the line closures?!?

Not good enough. Nowhere near. Shocking Customer Service.
You only got a month's notice and that was not long enough?

Seriously?

Or is a joke?

It has to be a joke.
[quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fredaj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MuammarQaddafi[/bold] wrote: "Major improvement works" on the Brighton mainline? Who's the bright spark that scheduled improvement works for winter? In most places, improvement works take place during the summer, when long days and good weather improve the circumstances and shorten the number of days required. But then, that's common sense, strictly forbidden at Network Rail.[/p][/quote]Christmas is the only time it is possible to shut the track for up to 2 weeks with a minimum of disruption to passengers - so that's why. And a huge amount of effort goes into the logistics to make it work, which 99.99% of the time it does. You only hear about the bits round the edges where there is a story, not about the numbers of people organising the schedule, getting the kits prepared and in place and those actually doing the work itself. And as for common sense? There is nothing "common" about the sense required to do this job. It needs experience and expertise.[/p][/quote]Huge amount of effort goes into the logistics? And yet we only got a month's notice of the line closures?!? Not good enough. Nowhere near. Shocking Customer Service.[/p][/quote]You only got a month's notice and that was not long enough? Seriously? Or is a joke? It has to be a joke. fredaj

9:42pm Sun 29 Dec 13

wis says...

Quiterie wrote:
fredaj wrote:
MuammarQaddafi wrote:
"Major improvement works" on the Brighton mainline? Who's the bright spark that scheduled improvement works for winter? In most places, improvement works take place during the summer, when long days and good weather improve the circumstances and shorten the number of days required. But then, that's common sense, strictly forbidden at Network Rail.
Christmas is the only time it is possible to shut the track for up to 2 weeks with a minimum of disruption to passengers - so that's why.

And a huge amount of effort goes into the logistics to make it work, which 99.99% of the time it does. You only hear about the bits round the edges where there is a story, not about the numbers of people organising the schedule, getting the kits prepared and in place and those actually doing the work itself.

And as for common sense? There is nothing "common" about the sense required to do this job. It needs experience and expertise.
Huge amount of effort goes into the logistics? And yet we only got a month's notice of the line closures?!?

Not good enough. Nowhere near. Shocking Customer Service.
Don't talk rubbish.... even The Argus (who, let's face it, are reporting this "news" five days after it happened) were running stories on the Christmas work as far back as early autumn... do a search on this site and you'll see!

The schedules and engineering works are available online 12 weeks in advance, which, if you can't count, is the best part of three months.

Please stop lying to get your point across.
[quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fredaj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MuammarQaddafi[/bold] wrote: "Major improvement works" on the Brighton mainline? Who's the bright spark that scheduled improvement works for winter? In most places, improvement works take place during the summer, when long days and good weather improve the circumstances and shorten the number of days required. But then, that's common sense, strictly forbidden at Network Rail.[/p][/quote]Christmas is the only time it is possible to shut the track for up to 2 weeks with a minimum of disruption to passengers - so that's why. And a huge amount of effort goes into the logistics to make it work, which 99.99% of the time it does. You only hear about the bits round the edges where there is a story, not about the numbers of people organising the schedule, getting the kits prepared and in place and those actually doing the work itself. And as for common sense? There is nothing "common" about the sense required to do this job. It needs experience and expertise.[/p][/quote]Huge amount of effort goes into the logistics? And yet we only got a month's notice of the line closures?!? Not good enough. Nowhere near. Shocking Customer Service.[/p][/quote]Don't talk rubbish.... even The Argus (who, let's face it, are reporting this "news" five days after it happened) were running stories on the Christmas work as far back as early autumn... do a search on this site and you'll see! The schedules and engineering works are available online 12 weeks in advance, which, if you can't count, is the best part of three months. Please stop lying to get your point across. wis

11:02pm Sun 29 Dec 13

twitterprinter says...

I went up to Twickenham yesterday, there is no way that bus journey from East Grinstead to Three Bridges was an hour long, in fact on the return trip 20 minutes max.

In fact the only bug bear with my trip was the short train that was rammed until it reached Oxted, surely knowing the Brighton line was down longer trains should have been used to east Grinstead ? after all there would have been extra rolling stock gathering dust.
I went up to Twickenham yesterday, there is no way that bus journey from East Grinstead to Three Bridges was an hour long, in fact on the return trip 20 minutes max. In fact the only bug bear with my trip was the short train that was rammed until it reached Oxted, surely knowing the Brighton line was down longer trains should have been used to east Grinstead ? after all there would have been extra rolling stock gathering dust. twitterprinter

5:43am Mon 30 Dec 13

Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit says...

MuammarQaddafi wrote:
"Major improvement works" on the Brighton mainline? Who's the bright spark that scheduled improvement works for winter? In most places, improvement works take place during the summer, when long days and good weather improve the circumstances and shorten the number of days required. But then, that's common sense, strictly forbidden at Network Rail.
The problem is the network is SO busy in the summer that it simply isn't feasible to close it down for any length of time. Go to Brighton station on any summer weekend and it is absolutely packed - as are the trains.

Interesting that my earlier post has a negative rating at the moment of -2. Obviously middle class Greens with entrenched Victorian values who hate the idea of the proles having cars. Use public transport and be grateful you horrid little man.
[quote][p][bold]MuammarQaddafi[/bold] wrote: "Major improvement works" on the Brighton mainline? Who's the bright spark that scheduled improvement works for winter? In most places, improvement works take place during the summer, when long days and good weather improve the circumstances and shorten the number of days required. But then, that's common sense, strictly forbidden at Network Rail.[/p][/quote]The problem is the network is SO busy in the summer that it simply isn't feasible to close it down for any length of time. Go to Brighton station on any summer weekend and it is absolutely packed - as are the trains. Interesting that my earlier post has a negative rating at the moment of -2. Obviously middle class Greens with entrenched Victorian values who hate the idea of the proles having cars. Use public transport and be grateful you horrid little man. Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit

8:41am Mon 30 Dec 13

Quiterie says...

fredaj wrote:
Quiterie wrote:
fredaj wrote:
MuammarQaddafi wrote:
"Major improvement works" on the Brighton mainline? Who's the bright spark that scheduled improvement works for winter? In most places, improvement works take place during the summer, when long days and good weather improve the circumstances and shorten the number of days required. But then, that's common sense, strictly forbidden at Network Rail.
Christmas is the only time it is possible to shut the track for up to 2 weeks with a minimum of disruption to passengers - so that's why.

And a huge amount of effort goes into the logistics to make it work, which 99.99% of the time it does. You only hear about the bits round the edges where there is a story, not about the numbers of people organising the schedule, getting the kits prepared and in place and those actually doing the work itself.

And as for common sense? There is nothing "common" about the sense required to do this job. It needs experience and expertise.
Huge amount of effort goes into the logistics? And yet we only got a month's notice of the line closures?!?

Not good enough. Nowhere near. Shocking Customer Service.
You only got a month's notice and that was not long enough?

Seriously?

Or is a joke?

It has to be a joke.
As I say not even close to being enough notice.

I'm sorry but I like to plan my holidays more than a month in advance.

Given the obscene amount of money I have to pay for a season ticket I don't think it's the slightest bit unreasonable to have more notice so that commuters can plan when to spend well earned time off with their families.

Southern and Network Rail should hang their heads in shame with the appalling way they've handled this issue.
[quote][p][bold]fredaj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fredaj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MuammarQaddafi[/bold] wrote: "Major improvement works" on the Brighton mainline? Who's the bright spark that scheduled improvement works for winter? In most places, improvement works take place during the summer, when long days and good weather improve the circumstances and shorten the number of days required. But then, that's common sense, strictly forbidden at Network Rail.[/p][/quote]Christmas is the only time it is possible to shut the track for up to 2 weeks with a minimum of disruption to passengers - so that's why. And a huge amount of effort goes into the logistics to make it work, which 99.99% of the time it does. You only hear about the bits round the edges where there is a story, not about the numbers of people organising the schedule, getting the kits prepared and in place and those actually doing the work itself. And as for common sense? There is nothing "common" about the sense required to do this job. It needs experience and expertise.[/p][/quote]Huge amount of effort goes into the logistics? And yet we only got a month's notice of the line closures?!? Not good enough. Nowhere near. Shocking Customer Service.[/p][/quote]You only got a month's notice and that was not long enough? Seriously? Or is a joke? It has to be a joke.[/p][/quote]As I say not even close to being enough notice. I'm sorry but I like to plan my holidays more than a month in advance. Given the obscene amount of money I have to pay for a season ticket I don't think it's the slightest bit unreasonable to have more notice so that commuters can plan when to spend well earned time off with their families. Southern and Network Rail should hang their heads in shame with the appalling way they've handled this issue. Quiterie

8:54am Mon 30 Dec 13

Quiterie says...

wis wrote:
Quiterie wrote:
fredaj wrote:
MuammarQaddafi wrote:
"Major improvement works" on the Brighton mainline? Who's the bright spark that scheduled improvement works for winter? In most places, improvement works take place during the summer, when long days and good weather improve the circumstances and shorten the number of days required. But then, that's common sense, strictly forbidden at Network Rail.
Christmas is the only time it is possible to shut the track for up to 2 weeks with a minimum of disruption to passengers - so that's why.

And a huge amount of effort goes into the logistics to make it work, which 99.99% of the time it does. You only hear about the bits round the edges where there is a story, not about the numbers of people organising the schedule, getting the kits prepared and in place and those actually doing the work itself.

And as for common sense? There is nothing "common" about the sense required to do this job. It needs experience and expertise.
Huge amount of effort goes into the logistics? And yet we only got a month's notice of the line closures?!?

Not good enough. Nowhere near. Shocking Customer Service.
Don't talk rubbish.... even The Argus (who, let's face it, are reporting this "news" five days after it happened) were running stories on the Christmas work as far back as early autumn... do a search on this site and you'll see!

The schedules and engineering works are available online 12 weeks in advance, which, if you can't count, is the best part of three months.

Please stop lying to get your point across.
There were stories about the Christmas work back in Autumn, but no specific information about which services were to be cancelled until the beginning of December.

This is a link to the first time this information was published on the Southern website....(posted December 1st).

http://www.southernr
ailway.com/southern/
news/changes-to-sout
hern-and-gatwick-exp
ress-services-at-chr
istmas/

Of course if you have information of specific cancellations going back 12 weeks please feel free to post a link on here so we can all see it.

You want to check your facts before you start accusing people of lying my friend, otherwise you make yourself look really, really silly (as you have on this occasion).
[quote][p][bold]wis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fredaj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MuammarQaddafi[/bold] wrote: "Major improvement works" on the Brighton mainline? Who's the bright spark that scheduled improvement works for winter? In most places, improvement works take place during the summer, when long days and good weather improve the circumstances and shorten the number of days required. But then, that's common sense, strictly forbidden at Network Rail.[/p][/quote]Christmas is the only time it is possible to shut the track for up to 2 weeks with a minimum of disruption to passengers - so that's why. And a huge amount of effort goes into the logistics to make it work, which 99.99% of the time it does. You only hear about the bits round the edges where there is a story, not about the numbers of people organising the schedule, getting the kits prepared and in place and those actually doing the work itself. And as for common sense? There is nothing "common" about the sense required to do this job. It needs experience and expertise.[/p][/quote]Huge amount of effort goes into the logistics? And yet we only got a month's notice of the line closures?!? Not good enough. Nowhere near. Shocking Customer Service.[/p][/quote]Don't talk rubbish.... even The Argus (who, let's face it, are reporting this "news" five days after it happened) were running stories on the Christmas work as far back as early autumn... do a search on this site and you'll see! The schedules and engineering works are available online 12 weeks in advance, which, if you can't count, is the best part of three months. Please stop lying to get your point across.[/p][/quote]There were stories about the Christmas work back in Autumn, but no specific information about which services were to be cancelled until the beginning of December. This is a link to the first time this information was published on the Southern website....(posted December 1st). http://www.southernr ailway.com/southern/ news/changes-to-sout hern-and-gatwick-exp ress-services-at-chr istmas/ Of course if you have information of specific cancellations going back 12 weeks please feel free to post a link on here so we can all see it. You want to check your facts before you start accusing people of lying my friend, otherwise you make yourself look really, really silly (as you have on this occasion). Quiterie

10:33am Mon 30 Dec 13

King Joke says...

Number Six wrote:
Where is "Tree" Bridges? And Argus, would you care to explain the point of having the same picture for every rail story, just like that exciting picture of police tape that you keep using. Just don't bother. It adds nothing whatsoever
Newspapers are run on a shoestring these days, and pasting stock photos is the best they can manage. It's probably the job they give to the intern working for nichts. Let's face it, do you buy the Argus or just read it online?
[quote][p][bold]Number Six[/bold] wrote: Where is "Tree" Bridges? And Argus, would you care to explain the point of having the same picture for every rail story, just like that exciting picture of police tape that you keep using. Just don't bother. It adds nothing whatsoever[/p][/quote]Newspapers are run on a shoestring these days, and pasting stock photos is the best they can manage. It's probably the job they give to the intern working for nichts. Let's face it, do you buy the Argus or just read it online? King Joke

7:42pm Mon 30 Dec 13

ghost bus driver says...

scsfoxrabbit wrote:
Sussex jim wrote:
ICantThinkOfAName wrote:
Wiggsy wrote:
Tree Bridges?
Irish accent?
Buses from Dorking to THREE Bridges; buses from 3B to East Grinstead for Victoria: it reminds me of the time 2 or 3 years ago when we had to get the Horsham train from Victoria to get to Brighton, due to "one under" at South Croydon.
It is time to rebuild the line between Ardingly and Horsted Keynes. It is only 3500 metres; or two and a quarter miles in old money. It may be a single line on the Bluebell to EG; but every little helps. (perhaps Tesco could sponsor it?)
Bluebell already owns trackbed from HK to Ardingly and we are considering our new Western Extension Project
I do believe there is a protected route around the Hanson yard.

A diesel train would be needed due to a lack of a 3rd rail on the Bluebell as well as incompatible couplings on the modern units.

Possibly a hired in loco and the VEP unit could be used operating a shuttle to East Grinstead.
[quote][p][bold]scsfoxrabbit[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sussex jim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ICantThinkOfAName[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wiggsy[/bold] wrote: Tree Bridges?[/p][/quote]Irish accent?[/p][/quote]Buses from Dorking to THREE Bridges; buses from 3B to East Grinstead for Victoria: it reminds me of the time 2 or 3 years ago when we had to get the Horsham train from Victoria to get to Brighton, due to "one under" at South Croydon. It is time to rebuild the line between Ardingly and Horsted Keynes. It is only 3500 metres; or two and a quarter miles in old money. It may be a single line on the Bluebell to EG; but every little helps. (perhaps Tesco could sponsor it?)[/p][/quote]Bluebell already owns trackbed from HK to Ardingly and we are considering our new Western Extension Project[/p][/quote]I do believe there is a protected route around the Hanson yard. A diesel train would be needed due to a lack of a 3rd rail on the Bluebell as well as incompatible couplings on the modern units. Possibly a hired in loco and the VEP unit could be used operating a shuttle to East Grinstead. ghost bus driver

7:54pm Mon 30 Dec 13

wis says...

Quiterie wrote:
wis wrote:
Quiterie wrote:
fredaj wrote:
MuammarQaddafi wrote:
"Major improvement works" on the Brighton mainline? Who's the bright spark that scheduled improvement works for winter? In most places, improvement works take place during the summer, when long days and good weather improve the circumstances and shorten the number of days required. But then, that's common sense, strictly forbidden at Network Rail.
Christmas is the only time it is possible to shut the track for up to 2 weeks with a minimum of disruption to passengers - so that's why.

And a huge amount of effort goes into the logistics to make it work, which 99.99% of the time it does. You only hear about the bits round the edges where there is a story, not about the numbers of people organising the schedule, getting the kits prepared and in place and those actually doing the work itself.

And as for common sense? There is nothing "common" about the sense required to do this job. It needs experience and expertise.
Huge amount of effort goes into the logistics? And yet we only got a month's notice of the line closures?!?

Not good enough. Nowhere near. Shocking Customer Service.
Don't talk rubbish.... even The Argus (who, let's face it, are reporting this "news" five days after it happened) were running stories on the Christmas work as far back as early autumn... do a search on this site and you'll see!

The schedules and engineering works are available online 12 weeks in advance, which, if you can't count, is the best part of three months.

Please stop lying to get your point across.
There were stories about the Christmas work back in Autumn, but no specific information about which services were to be cancelled until the beginning of December.

This is a link to the first time this information was published on the Southern website....(posted December 1st).

http://www.southernr

ailway.com/southern/

news/changes-to-sout

hern-and-gatwick-exp

ress-services-at-chr

istmas/

Of course if you have information of specific cancellations going back 12 weeks please feel free to post a link on here so we can all see it.

You want to check your facts before you start accusing people of lying my friend, otherwise you make yourself look really, really silly (as you have on this occasion).
Naturally! Here is a snapshot of the engineering works page of the Southern website on 6th October, where it is made very clear that there will be major disruption:

https://web.archive.
org/web/201310060631
48/http://www.southe
rnrailway.com/your-j
ourney/plan-your-jou
rney/improvement-wor
ks/

At this point you could have used the National Rail, Southern or any operator's website to plan your journey correctly, as there is something called a "CIF" file which is uploaded into the "TRUST/TOPS" system, which is the backbone of all train timetabling/planning
/live running information on the UK railway network. All short term planning schedules (of which this would be one) and variations from the "Working Timetable" are made public at least twelve weeks in advance, and this is the point at which you can purchase tickets, along with an itinerary for your journey.

I feel that this answers your query, so please feel free to remember this for future journeys. My case is now gently resting.
[quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fredaj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MuammarQaddafi[/bold] wrote: "Major improvement works" on the Brighton mainline? Who's the bright spark that scheduled improvement works for winter? In most places, improvement works take place during the summer, when long days and good weather improve the circumstances and shorten the number of days required. But then, that's common sense, strictly forbidden at Network Rail.[/p][/quote]Christmas is the only time it is possible to shut the track for up to 2 weeks with a minimum of disruption to passengers - so that's why. And a huge amount of effort goes into the logistics to make it work, which 99.99% of the time it does. You only hear about the bits round the edges where there is a story, not about the numbers of people organising the schedule, getting the kits prepared and in place and those actually doing the work itself. And as for common sense? There is nothing "common" about the sense required to do this job. It needs experience and expertise.[/p][/quote]Huge amount of effort goes into the logistics? And yet we only got a month's notice of the line closures?!? Not good enough. Nowhere near. Shocking Customer Service.[/p][/quote]Don't talk rubbish.... even The Argus (who, let's face it, are reporting this "news" five days after it happened) were running stories on the Christmas work as far back as early autumn... do a search on this site and you'll see! The schedules and engineering works are available online 12 weeks in advance, which, if you can't count, is the best part of three months. Please stop lying to get your point across.[/p][/quote]There were stories about the Christmas work back in Autumn, but no specific information about which services were to be cancelled until the beginning of December. This is a link to the first time this information was published on the Southern website....(posted December 1st). http://www.southernr ailway.com/southern/ news/changes-to-sout hern-and-gatwick-exp ress-services-at-chr istmas/ Of course if you have information of specific cancellations going back 12 weeks please feel free to post a link on here so we can all see it. You want to check your facts before you start accusing people of lying my friend, otherwise you make yourself look really, really silly (as you have on this occasion).[/p][/quote]Naturally! Here is a snapshot of the engineering works page of the Southern website on 6th October, where it is made very clear that there will be major disruption: https://web.archive. org/web/201310060631 48/http://www.southe rnrailway.com/your-j ourney/plan-your-jou rney/improvement-wor ks/ At this point you could have used the National Rail, Southern or any operator's website to plan your journey correctly, as there is something called a "CIF" file which is uploaded into the "TRUST/TOPS" system, which is the backbone of all train timetabling/planning /live running information on the UK railway network. All short term planning schedules (of which this would be one) and variations from the "Working Timetable" are made public at least twelve weeks in advance, and this is the point at which you can purchase tickets, along with an itinerary for your journey. I feel that this answers your query, so please feel free to remember this for future journeys. My case is now gently resting. wis

8:51pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Quiterie says...

wis wrote:
Quiterie wrote:
wis wrote:
Quiterie wrote:
fredaj wrote:
MuammarQaddafi wrote:
"Major improvement works" on the Brighton mainline? Who's the bright spark that scheduled improvement works for winter? In most places, improvement works take place during the summer, when long days and good weather improve the circumstances and shorten the number of days required. But then, that's common sense, strictly forbidden at Network Rail.
Christmas is the only time it is possible to shut the track for up to 2 weeks with a minimum of disruption to passengers - so that's why.

And a huge amount of effort goes into the logistics to make it work, which 99.99% of the time it does. You only hear about the bits round the edges where there is a story, not about the numbers of people organising the schedule, getting the kits prepared and in place and those actually doing the work itself.

And as for common sense? There is nothing "common" about the sense required to do this job. It needs experience and expertise.
Huge amount of effort goes into the logistics? And yet we only got a month's notice of the line closures?!?

Not good enough. Nowhere near. Shocking Customer Service.
Don't talk rubbish.... even The Argus (who, let's face it, are reporting this "news" five days after it happened) were running stories on the Christmas work as far back as early autumn... do a search on this site and you'll see!

The schedules and engineering works are available online 12 weeks in advance, which, if you can't count, is the best part of three months.

Please stop lying to get your point across.
There were stories about the Christmas work back in Autumn, but no specific information about which services were to be cancelled until the beginning of December.

This is a link to the first time this information was published on the Southern website....(posted December 1st).

http://www.southernr


ailway.com/southern/


news/changes-to-sout


hern-and-gatwick-exp


ress-services-at-chr


istmas/

Of course if you have information of specific cancellations going back 12 weeks please feel free to post a link on here so we can all see it.

You want to check your facts before you start accusing people of lying my friend, otherwise you make yourself look really, really silly (as you have on this occasion).
Naturally! Here is a snapshot of the engineering works page of the Southern website on 6th October, where it is made very clear that there will be major disruption:

https://web.archive.

org/web/201310060631

48/http://www.southe

rnrailway.com/your-j

ourney/plan-your-jou

rney/improvement-wor

ks/

At this point you could have used the National Rail, Southern or any operator's website to plan your journey correctly, as there is something called a "CIF" file which is uploaded into the "TRUST/TOPS" system, which is the backbone of all train timetabling/planning

/live running information on the UK railway network. All short term planning schedules (of which this would be one) and variations from the "Working Timetable" are made public at least twelve weeks in advance, and this is the point at which you can purchase tickets, along with an itinerary for your journey.

I feel that this answers your query, so please feel free to remember this for future journeys. My case is now gently resting.
HA HA!!!!

Congratulations. You've managed to post a link to historical engineering works.

The first of those happens to be dated 6th October and relates to engineering work taking place between Battersea Park and East Croydon via Balham. This is of no relevance whatsoever to the current engineering works.

There's a saying my friend. When you are in a hole, stop digging. Wise words. Wise words indeed.

Epic fail.
[quote][p][bold]wis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fredaj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MuammarQaddafi[/bold] wrote: "Major improvement works" on the Brighton mainline? Who's the bright spark that scheduled improvement works for winter? In most places, improvement works take place during the summer, when long days and good weather improve the circumstances and shorten the number of days required. But then, that's common sense, strictly forbidden at Network Rail.[/p][/quote]Christmas is the only time it is possible to shut the track for up to 2 weeks with a minimum of disruption to passengers - so that's why. And a huge amount of effort goes into the logistics to make it work, which 99.99% of the time it does. You only hear about the bits round the edges where there is a story, not about the numbers of people organising the schedule, getting the kits prepared and in place and those actually doing the work itself. And as for common sense? There is nothing "common" about the sense required to do this job. It needs experience and expertise.[/p][/quote]Huge amount of effort goes into the logistics? And yet we only got a month's notice of the line closures?!? Not good enough. Nowhere near. Shocking Customer Service.[/p][/quote]Don't talk rubbish.... even The Argus (who, let's face it, are reporting this "news" five days after it happened) were running stories on the Christmas work as far back as early autumn... do a search on this site and you'll see! The schedules and engineering works are available online 12 weeks in advance, which, if you can't count, is the best part of three months. Please stop lying to get your point across.[/p][/quote]There were stories about the Christmas work back in Autumn, but no specific information about which services were to be cancelled until the beginning of December. This is a link to the first time this information was published on the Southern website....(posted December 1st). http://www.southernr ailway.com/southern/ news/changes-to-sout hern-and-gatwick-exp ress-services-at-chr istmas/ Of course if you have information of specific cancellations going back 12 weeks please feel free to post a link on here so we can all see it. You want to check your facts before you start accusing people of lying my friend, otherwise you make yourself look really, really silly (as you have on this occasion).[/p][/quote]Naturally! Here is a snapshot of the engineering works page of the Southern website on 6th October, where it is made very clear that there will be major disruption: https://web.archive. org/web/201310060631 48/http://www.southe rnrailway.com/your-j ourney/plan-your-jou rney/improvement-wor ks/ At this point you could have used the National Rail, Southern or any operator's website to plan your journey correctly, as there is something called a "CIF" file which is uploaded into the "TRUST/TOPS" system, which is the backbone of all train timetabling/planning /live running information on the UK railway network. All short term planning schedules (of which this would be one) and variations from the "Working Timetable" are made public at least twelve weeks in advance, and this is the point at which you can purchase tickets, along with an itinerary for your journey. I feel that this answers your query, so please feel free to remember this for future journeys. My case is now gently resting.[/p][/quote]HA HA!!!! Congratulations. You've managed to post a link to historical engineering works. The first of those happens to be dated 6th October and relates to engineering work taking place between Battersea Park and East Croydon via Balham. This is of no relevance whatsoever to the current engineering works. There's a saying my friend. When you are in a hole, stop digging. Wise words. Wise words indeed. Epic fail. Quiterie

9:40pm Mon 30 Dec 13

wis says...

Quiterie wrote:
wis wrote:
Quiterie wrote:
wis wrote:
Quiterie wrote:
fredaj wrote:
MuammarQaddafi wrote:
"Major improvement works" on the Brighton mainline? Who's the bright spark that scheduled improvement works for winter? In most places, improvement works take place during the summer, when long days and good weather improve the circumstances and shorten the number of days required. But then, that's common sense, strictly forbidden at Network Rail.
Christmas is the only time it is possible to shut the track for up to 2 weeks with a minimum of disruption to passengers - so that's why.

And a huge amount of effort goes into the logistics to make it work, which 99.99% of the time it does. You only hear about the bits round the edges where there is a story, not about the numbers of people organising the schedule, getting the kits prepared and in place and those actually doing the work itself.

And as for common sense? There is nothing "common" about the sense required to do this job. It needs experience and expertise.
Huge amount of effort goes into the logistics? And yet we only got a month's notice of the line closures?!?

Not good enough. Nowhere near. Shocking Customer Service.
Don't talk rubbish.... even The Argus (who, let's face it, are reporting this "news" five days after it happened) were running stories on the Christmas work as far back as early autumn... do a search on this site and you'll see!

The schedules and engineering works are available online 12 weeks in advance, which, if you can't count, is the best part of three months.

Please stop lying to get your point across.
There were stories about the Christmas work back in Autumn, but no specific information about which services were to be cancelled until the beginning of December.

This is a link to the first time this information was published on the Southern website....(posted December 1st).

http://www.southernr



ailway.com/southern/



news/changes-to-sout



hern-and-gatwick-exp



ress-services-at-chr



istmas/

Of course if you have information of specific cancellations going back 12 weeks please feel free to post a link on here so we can all see it.

You want to check your facts before you start accusing people of lying my friend, otherwise you make yourself look really, really silly (as you have on this occasion).
Naturally! Here is a snapshot of the engineering works page of the Southern website on 6th October, where it is made very clear that there will be major disruption:

https://web.archive.


org/web/201310060631


48/http://www.southe


rnrailway.com/your-j


ourney/plan-your-jou


rney/improvement-wor


ks/

At this point you could have used the National Rail, Southern or any operator's website to plan your journey correctly, as there is something called a "CIF" file which is uploaded into the "TRUST/TOPS" system, which is the backbone of all train timetabling/planning


/live running information on the UK railway network. All short term planning schedules (of which this would be one) and variations from the "Working Timetable" are made public at least twelve weeks in advance, and this is the point at which you can purchase tickets, along with an itinerary for your journey.

I feel that this answers your query, so please feel free to remember this for future journeys. My case is now gently resting.
HA HA!!!!

Congratulations. You've managed to post a link to historical engineering works.

The first of those happens to be dated 6th October and relates to engineering work taking place between Battersea Park and East Croydon via Balham. This is of no relevance whatsoever to the current engineering works.

There's a saying my friend. When you are in a hole, stop digging. Wise words. Wise words indeed.

Epic fail.
Did you scroll to the bottom? They are in chronological order.....

The last item in the list is entitled:

"Major engineering work at London Victoria and in the Gatwick Airport area from Thursday 26 December to Wednesday 1 January"

Obviously a snapshot of a page from the past will not start with today's engineering works, will it?
[quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fredaj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MuammarQaddafi[/bold] wrote: "Major improvement works" on the Brighton mainline? Who's the bright spark that scheduled improvement works for winter? In most places, improvement works take place during the summer, when long days and good weather improve the circumstances and shorten the number of days required. But then, that's common sense, strictly forbidden at Network Rail.[/p][/quote]Christmas is the only time it is possible to shut the track for up to 2 weeks with a minimum of disruption to passengers - so that's why. And a huge amount of effort goes into the logistics to make it work, which 99.99% of the time it does. You only hear about the bits round the edges where there is a story, not about the numbers of people organising the schedule, getting the kits prepared and in place and those actually doing the work itself. And as for common sense? There is nothing "common" about the sense required to do this job. It needs experience and expertise.[/p][/quote]Huge amount of effort goes into the logistics? And yet we only got a month's notice of the line closures?!? Not good enough. Nowhere near. Shocking Customer Service.[/p][/quote]Don't talk rubbish.... even The Argus (who, let's face it, are reporting this "news" five days after it happened) were running stories on the Christmas work as far back as early autumn... do a search on this site and you'll see! The schedules and engineering works are available online 12 weeks in advance, which, if you can't count, is the best part of three months. Please stop lying to get your point across.[/p][/quote]There were stories about the Christmas work back in Autumn, but no specific information about which services were to be cancelled until the beginning of December. This is a link to the first time this information was published on the Southern website....(posted December 1st). http://www.southernr ailway.com/southern/ news/changes-to-sout hern-and-gatwick-exp ress-services-at-chr istmas/ Of course if you have information of specific cancellations going back 12 weeks please feel free to post a link on here so we can all see it. You want to check your facts before you start accusing people of lying my friend, otherwise you make yourself look really, really silly (as you have on this occasion).[/p][/quote]Naturally! Here is a snapshot of the engineering works page of the Southern website on 6th October, where it is made very clear that there will be major disruption: https://web.archive. org/web/201310060631 48/http://www.southe rnrailway.com/your-j ourney/plan-your-jou rney/improvement-wor ks/ At this point you could have used the National Rail, Southern or any operator's website to plan your journey correctly, as there is something called a "CIF" file which is uploaded into the "TRUST/TOPS" system, which is the backbone of all train timetabling/planning /live running information on the UK railway network. All short term planning schedules (of which this would be one) and variations from the "Working Timetable" are made public at least twelve weeks in advance, and this is the point at which you can purchase tickets, along with an itinerary for your journey. I feel that this answers your query, so please feel free to remember this for future journeys. My case is now gently resting.[/p][/quote]HA HA!!!! Congratulations. You've managed to post a link to historical engineering works. The first of those happens to be dated 6th October and relates to engineering work taking place between Battersea Park and East Croydon via Balham. This is of no relevance whatsoever to the current engineering works. There's a saying my friend. When you are in a hole, stop digging. Wise words. Wise words indeed. Epic fail.[/p][/quote]Did you scroll to the bottom? They are in chronological order..... The last item in the list is entitled: "Major engineering work at London Victoria and in the Gatwick Airport area from Thursday 26 December to Wednesday 1 January" Obviously a snapshot of a page from the past will not start with today's engineering works, will it? wis

5:41pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Quiterie says...

wis wrote:
Quiterie wrote:
wis wrote:
Quiterie wrote:
wis wrote:
Quiterie wrote:
fredaj wrote:
MuammarQaddafi wrote:
"Major improvement works" on the Brighton mainline? Who's the bright spark that scheduled improvement works for winter? In most places, improvement works take place during the summer, when long days and good weather improve the circumstances and shorten the number of days required. But then, that's common sense, strictly forbidden at Network Rail.
Christmas is the only time it is possible to shut the track for up to 2 weeks with a minimum of disruption to passengers - so that's why.

And a huge amount of effort goes into the logistics to make it work, which 99.99% of the time it does. You only hear about the bits round the edges where there is a story, not about the numbers of people organising the schedule, getting the kits prepared and in place and those actually doing the work itself.

And as for common sense? There is nothing "common" about the sense required to do this job. It needs experience and expertise.
Huge amount of effort goes into the logistics? And yet we only got a month's notice of the line closures?!?

Not good enough. Nowhere near. Shocking Customer Service.
Don't talk rubbish.... even The Argus (who, let's face it, are reporting this "news" five days after it happened) were running stories on the Christmas work as far back as early autumn... do a search on this site and you'll see!

The schedules and engineering works are available online 12 weeks in advance, which, if you can't count, is the best part of three months.

Please stop lying to get your point across.
There were stories about the Christmas work back in Autumn, but no specific information about which services were to be cancelled until the beginning of December.

This is a link to the first time this information was published on the Southern website....(posted December 1st).

http://www.southernr




ailway.com/southern/




news/changes-to-sout




hern-and-gatwick-exp




ress-services-at-chr




istmas/

Of course if you have information of specific cancellations going back 12 weeks please feel free to post a link on here so we can all see it.

You want to check your facts before you start accusing people of lying my friend, otherwise you make yourself look really, really silly (as you have on this occasion).
Naturally! Here is a snapshot of the engineering works page of the Southern website on 6th October, where it is made very clear that there will be major disruption:

https://web.archive.



org/web/201310060631



48/http://www.southe



rnrailway.com/your-j



ourney/plan-your-jou



rney/improvement-wor



ks/

At this point you could have used the National Rail, Southern or any operator's website to plan your journey correctly, as there is something called a "CIF" file which is uploaded into the "TRUST/TOPS" system, which is the backbone of all train timetabling/planning



/live running information on the UK railway network. All short term planning schedules (of which this would be one) and variations from the "Working Timetable" are made public at least twelve weeks in advance, and this is the point at which you can purchase tickets, along with an itinerary for your journey.

I feel that this answers your query, so please feel free to remember this for future journeys. My case is now gently resting.
HA HA!!!!

Congratulations. You've managed to post a link to historical engineering works.

The first of those happens to be dated 6th October and relates to engineering work taking place between Battersea Park and East Croydon via Balham. This is of no relevance whatsoever to the current engineering works.

There's a saying my friend. When you are in a hole, stop digging. Wise words. Wise words indeed.

Epic fail.
Did you scroll to the bottom? They are in chronological order.....

The last item in the list is entitled:

"Major engineering work at London Victoria and in the Gatwick Airport area from Thursday 26 December to Wednesday 1 January"

Obviously a snapshot of a page from the past will not start with today's engineering works, will it?
You just don't get it do you? This is a list of engineering works added to as and when they are announced. You seem to be suggesting that as the first entry was on October 6th, that all these entries were posted on that date. That's clearly not true. In a couple of weeks there will be a new entry for the latest engineering works.

I'm bored of this argument now - you accused me of lying, but then haven't produced a shred of evidence to back that up. I'm going to go and play with my 5 year old daughter - I think I'll get more sense from her.

Happy New Year anyway.

Let's hope for a better service on our trains next year - I won't hold my breath though!
[quote][p][bold]wis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fredaj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MuammarQaddafi[/bold] wrote: "Major improvement works" on the Brighton mainline? Who's the bright spark that scheduled improvement works for winter? In most places, improvement works take place during the summer, when long days and good weather improve the circumstances and shorten the number of days required. But then, that's common sense, strictly forbidden at Network Rail.[/p][/quote]Christmas is the only time it is possible to shut the track for up to 2 weeks with a minimum of disruption to passengers - so that's why. And a huge amount of effort goes into the logistics to make it work, which 99.99% of the time it does. You only hear about the bits round the edges where there is a story, not about the numbers of people organising the schedule, getting the kits prepared and in place and those actually doing the work itself. And as for common sense? There is nothing "common" about the sense required to do this job. It needs experience and expertise.[/p][/quote]Huge amount of effort goes into the logistics? And yet we only got a month's notice of the line closures?!? Not good enough. Nowhere near. Shocking Customer Service.[/p][/quote]Don't talk rubbish.... even The Argus (who, let's face it, are reporting this "news" five days after it happened) were running stories on the Christmas work as far back as early autumn... do a search on this site and you'll see! The schedules and engineering works are available online 12 weeks in advance, which, if you can't count, is the best part of three months. Please stop lying to get your point across.[/p][/quote]There were stories about the Christmas work back in Autumn, but no specific information about which services were to be cancelled until the beginning of December. This is a link to the first time this information was published on the Southern website....(posted December 1st). http://www.southernr ailway.com/southern/ news/changes-to-sout hern-and-gatwick-exp ress-services-at-chr istmas/ Of course if you have information of specific cancellations going back 12 weeks please feel free to post a link on here so we can all see it. You want to check your facts before you start accusing people of lying my friend, otherwise you make yourself look really, really silly (as you have on this occasion).[/p][/quote]Naturally! Here is a snapshot of the engineering works page of the Southern website on 6th October, where it is made very clear that there will be major disruption: https://web.archive. org/web/201310060631 48/http://www.southe rnrailway.com/your-j ourney/plan-your-jou rney/improvement-wor ks/ At this point you could have used the National Rail, Southern or any operator's website to plan your journey correctly, as there is something called a "CIF" file which is uploaded into the "TRUST/TOPS" system, which is the backbone of all train timetabling/planning /live running information on the UK railway network. All short term planning schedules (of which this would be one) and variations from the "Working Timetable" are made public at least twelve weeks in advance, and this is the point at which you can purchase tickets, along with an itinerary for your journey. I feel that this answers your query, so please feel free to remember this for future journeys. My case is now gently resting.[/p][/quote]HA HA!!!! Congratulations. You've managed to post a link to historical engineering works. The first of those happens to be dated 6th October and relates to engineering work taking place between Battersea Park and East Croydon via Balham. This is of no relevance whatsoever to the current engineering works. There's a saying my friend. When you are in a hole, stop digging. Wise words. Wise words indeed. Epic fail.[/p][/quote]Did you scroll to the bottom? They are in chronological order..... The last item in the list is entitled: "Major engineering work at London Victoria and in the Gatwick Airport area from Thursday 26 December to Wednesday 1 January" Obviously a snapshot of a page from the past will not start with today's engineering works, will it?[/p][/quote]You just don't get it do you? This is a list of engineering works added to as and when they are announced. You seem to be suggesting that as the first entry was on October 6th, that all these entries were posted on that date. That's clearly not true. In a couple of weeks there will be a new entry for the latest engineering works. I'm bored of this argument now - you accused me of lying, but then haven't produced a shred of evidence to back that up. I'm going to go and play with my 5 year old daughter - I think I'll get more sense from her. Happy New Year anyway. Let's hope for a better service on our trains next year - I won't hold my breath though! Quiterie

8:39am Thu 2 Jan 14

King Joke says...

All rail journey planners are finalised twelve weeks in advance. This is a fact and is well known among rail passengers. A quick search for your morning journey twelve weeks before the Christmas period would have told you what the delays were.
All rail journey planners are finalised twelve weeks in advance. This is a fact and is well known among rail passengers. A quick search for your morning journey twelve weeks before the Christmas period would have told you what the delays were. King Joke

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