Major revamp of area around Brighton station starts next week

Major revamp of area around Brighton station starts next week

Major revamp of area around Brighton station starts next week

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A major scheme to revamp the area around one of the country’s busiest stations will start on Monday.

Brighton and Hove City Council believes its Brighton Station gateway project will improve traffic flow, access to the station and the overall look of the area.

The first phase will focus on Surrey Street, with the road closed to all traffic until March.


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Ian Davey, the council’s lead member for transport, said: “With thousands of people passing through each day Brighton Station is vital to our city’s economy, yet the area outside currently provides a poor welcome to visitors.

“In addition to making the station easier to access, these improvements will enhance the whole area for residents and visitors alike and provide a fitting welcome to the city.

“New businesses are already investing in this area and, as we have seen elsewhere in the city when changes have taken place, we are confident that more will follow.”

The scheme was agreed last year following consultation with residents and the business community.

It will see new paving, a wider footway, road resurfacing and tree planting take place.

While Surrey Street is closed the contra-flow lane in Queen’s Road will be re-opened for northbound buses, taxis and cycles All other traffic except HGVs will be redirected along Upper Gloucester Road and Buckingham Road HGVs will be directed along North Road and the A23 to avoid large vehicles using the West Hill area.

The existing ban on right-turns from Terminus Road into Guildford Road will be suspended, enabling access to Guildford Street and New Dorset Street from the west.

For more details visit www.brightonhove.gov.uk/station-gateway or call 01273 294164.

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6:27am Sun 5 Jan 14

fred clause says...

Yeah because the Greens no all about improving Traffic flow
Yeah because the Greens no all about improving Traffic flow fred clause
  • Score: 20

7:27am Sun 5 Jan 14

Baffled of Brighton says...

So they reopen 7 dials, then a month later they start this work, by the time they finish these 'improvements' they will then want to start with the 'improvements' on Dyke Road. Meaning that from March last year traffic along that route has been awful, when will all this end?
So they reopen 7 dials, then a month later they start this work, by the time they finish these 'improvements' they will then want to start with the 'improvements' on Dyke Road. Meaning that from March last year traffic along that route has been awful, when will all this end? Baffled of Brighton
  • Score: 28

8:34am Sun 5 Jan 14

hoveguyactually says...

I am so glad that the road will be closed to ``'call`' traffic until March.

Maybe it will end once the Greens are finally kicked out. The sooner the better. The expensive and chaotic mess they have made, and are continuing to make, is causing chaos throughout the city.
I am so glad that the road will be closed to ``'call`' traffic until March. Maybe it will end once the Greens are finally kicked out. The sooner the better. The expensive and chaotic mess they have made, and are continuing to make, is causing chaos throughout the city. hoveguyactually
  • Score: 17

8:52am Sun 5 Jan 14

HJarrs says...

Rah, rah, rah how dare Greens bring millions of pounds of investment into the city. It's a disgrace! The station area is perfect as it is, jammed with traffic, not enough room on the pavements. No, as usual, they ruining this city by making the major gateway to Brighton more attractive and easier to use. And there is a new cycle park being built! Anti-car madness! It's about time we got rid of the Greens and once more returned to an administration that spends loads of money and gets nothing done.
Rah, rah, rah how dare Greens bring millions of pounds of investment into the city. It's a disgrace! The station area is perfect as it is, jammed with traffic, not enough room on the pavements. No, as usual, they ruining this city by making the major gateway to Brighton more attractive and easier to use. And there is a new cycle park being built! Anti-car madness! It's about time we got rid of the Greens and once more returned to an administration that spends loads of money and gets nothing done. HJarrs
  • Score: -42

9:14am Sun 5 Jan 14

BornInBrighton1968 says...

HJarrs wrote:
Rah, rah, rah how dare Greens bring millions of pounds of investment into the city. It's a disgrace! The station area is perfect as it is, jammed with traffic, not enough room on the pavements. No, as usual, they ruining this city by making the major gateway to Brighton more attractive and easier to use. And there is a new cycle park being built! Anti-car madness! It's about time we got rid of the Greens and once more returned to an administration that spends loads of money and gets nothing done.
Forestry Commission threatening legal action against Greens due to the amount of trees that Brighton Green Council have cut-down.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Rah, rah, rah how dare Greens bring millions of pounds of investment into the city. It's a disgrace! The station area is perfect as it is, jammed with traffic, not enough room on the pavements. No, as usual, they ruining this city by making the major gateway to Brighton more attractive and easier to use. And there is a new cycle park being built! Anti-car madness! It's about time we got rid of the Greens and once more returned to an administration that spends loads of money and gets nothing done.[/p][/quote]Forestry Commission threatening legal action against Greens due to the amount of trees that Brighton Green Council have cut-down. BornInBrighton1968
  • Score: 54

9:21am Sun 5 Jan 14

HJarrs says...

BornInBrighton1968 wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Rah, rah, rah how dare Greens bring millions of pounds of investment into the city. It's a disgrace! The station area is perfect as it is, jammed with traffic, not enough room on the pavements. No, as usual, they ruining this city by making the major gateway to Brighton more attractive and easier to use. And there is a new cycle park being built! Anti-car madness! It's about time we got rid of the Greens and once more returned to an administration that spends loads of money and gets nothing done.
Forestry Commission threatening legal action against Greens due to the amount of trees that Brighton Green Council have cut-down.
Around Brighton station?
[quote][p][bold]BornInBrighton1968[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Rah, rah, rah how dare Greens bring millions of pounds of investment into the city. It's a disgrace! The station area is perfect as it is, jammed with traffic, not enough room on the pavements. No, as usual, they ruining this city by making the major gateway to Brighton more attractive and easier to use. And there is a new cycle park being built! Anti-car madness! It's about time we got rid of the Greens and once more returned to an administration that spends loads of money and gets nothing done.[/p][/quote]Forestry Commission threatening legal action against Greens due to the amount of trees that Brighton Green Council have cut-down.[/p][/quote]Around Brighton station? HJarrs
  • Score: -45

9:22am Sun 5 Jan 14

All 9 of me says...

HJarrs wrote:
Rah, rah, rah how dare Greens bring millions of pounds of investment into the city. It's a disgrace! The station area is perfect as it is, jammed with traffic, not enough room on the pavements. No, as usual, they ruining this city by making the major gateway to Brighton more attractive and easier to use. And there is a new cycle park being built! Anti-car madness! It's about time we got rid of the Greens and once more returned to an administration that spends loads of money and gets nothing done.
No, how dare YOU as green party sock puppet treat the electorate of Brighton and Hove with such contempt. Kind of sums your lot up, all stuck up your own ar5eholes, the gravy train hasn't got long to run my dear friend.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Rah, rah, rah how dare Greens bring millions of pounds of investment into the city. It's a disgrace! The station area is perfect as it is, jammed with traffic, not enough room on the pavements. No, as usual, they ruining this city by making the major gateway to Brighton more attractive and easier to use. And there is a new cycle park being built! Anti-car madness! It's about time we got rid of the Greens and once more returned to an administration that spends loads of money and gets nothing done.[/p][/quote]No, how dare YOU as green party sock puppet treat the electorate of Brighton and Hove with such contempt. Kind of sums your lot up, all stuck up your own ar5eholes, the gravy train hasn't got long to run my dear[not] friend. All 9 of me
  • Score: 29

9:32am Sun 5 Jan 14

Morpheus says...

Link to BHCC council is wrong!
Link to BHCC council is wrong! Morpheus
  • Score: 16

9:36am Sun 5 Jan 14

HJarrs says...

All 9 of me wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Rah, rah, rah how dare Greens bring millions of pounds of investment into the city. It's a disgrace! The station area is perfect as it is, jammed with traffic, not enough room on the pavements. No, as usual, they ruining this city by making the major gateway to Brighton more attractive and easier to use. And there is a new cycle park being built! Anti-car madness! It's about time we got rid of the Greens and once more returned to an administration that spends loads of money and gets nothing done.
No, how dare YOU as green party sock puppet treat the electorate of Brighton and Hove with such contempt. Kind of sums your lot up, all stuck up your own ar5eholes, the gravy train hasn't got long to run my dear friend.
No socks on my hands! I merely thought I would assist you moanerati by posting up the sort of tired rubbish they write. The redevelopment of the station approach is years overdue. Why wasn't this done properly by previous administrations years ago?
[quote][p][bold]All 9 of me[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Rah, rah, rah how dare Greens bring millions of pounds of investment into the city. It's a disgrace! The station area is perfect as it is, jammed with traffic, not enough room on the pavements. No, as usual, they ruining this city by making the major gateway to Brighton more attractive and easier to use. And there is a new cycle park being built! Anti-car madness! It's about time we got rid of the Greens and once more returned to an administration that spends loads of money and gets nothing done.[/p][/quote]No, how dare YOU as green party sock puppet treat the electorate of Brighton and Hove with such contempt. Kind of sums your lot up, all stuck up your own ar5eholes, the gravy train hasn't got long to run my dear[not] friend.[/p][/quote]No socks on my hands! I merely thought I would assist you moanerati by posting up the sort of tired rubbish they write. The redevelopment of the station approach is years overdue. Why wasn't this done properly by previous administrations years ago? HJarrs
  • Score: -26

9:43am Sun 5 Jan 14

mark by the sea says...

Problem is people think change is always better! I am sure the station area will look pretty, but how is it going to reduce traffic? If the taxi s are still using the front for picking and dropping? Simply moving the rank to the back would make a massive difference to traffic. Without being unkind a few trees won't make much difference.it may help keep the street rubbish dry while they beg from the visitors!
The pavements need widening because shops / coffee bars have signage on the pavements.
Problem is people think change is always better! I am sure the station area will look pretty, but how is it going to reduce traffic? If the taxi s are still using the front for picking and dropping? Simply moving the rank to the back would make a massive difference to traffic. Without being unkind a few trees won't make much difference.it may help keep the street rubbish dry while they beg from the visitors! The pavements need widening because shops / coffee bars have signage on the pavements. mark by the sea
  • Score: 28

9:55am Sun 5 Jan 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

Please no, keep Ian Davey at home knitting. Anything but meddling in real lives. Disaster Davey. Read tripadvisor and see what visitors are saying about what a mess you have made. Now the world knows. The city's reputation is being wrecked.
Please no, keep Ian Davey at home knitting. Anything but meddling in real lives. Disaster Davey. Read tripadvisor and see what visitors are saying about what a mess you have made. Now the world knows. The city's reputation is being wrecked. Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: 22

10:18am Sun 5 Jan 14

salty_pete says...

This area also happens to be a major east - west route across the city when there is any difficulty along the coast road (Kings Road), allowing access to North Road and then Eastern Road, as even on a normal day going through Preston Circus is solid. This means that until it is re-opened we all run the risk of Brighton being completely gridlocked if there is any hold up of traffic on Kings Road. Well done Greens to potentially shutting down Brighton for business.
This area also happens to be a major east - west route across the city when there is any difficulty along the coast road (Kings Road), allowing access to North Road and then Eastern Road, as even on a normal day going through Preston Circus is solid. This means that until it is re-opened we all run the risk of Brighton being completely gridlocked if there is any hold up of traffic on Kings Road. Well done Greens to potentially shutting down Brighton for business. salty_pete
  • Score: 22

10:29am Sun 5 Jan 14

musesboy says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Please no, keep Ian Davey at home knitting. Anything but meddling in real lives. Disaster Davey. Read tripadvisor and see what visitors are saying about what a mess you have made. Now the world knows. The city's reputation is being wrecked.
Thanks for the heads up and I did read Tripadvisor.

Apart from one article criticising the council I was struggling to find anything negative. Mostly recommendations for pubs/things to do.

You just love to talk down Brighton don't you? As I've said before, I've never regretted moving here 40 years ago as student. It's still the most vibrant and exciting city I've ever lived in with so much going for it that I wonder how many of the moaners on here actually live in the town. If you seriously think Brighton is going to the dogs then you really aren't paying attention.

Every time we have guests they all think Brighton is a wonderful place. My ex-collegues in London come to Brighton regularly and would find your assertion of how bad it is simply laughable.

I still love the place even if I don't go to as many gigs as I used to. It's still a joy to stroll around the North Laine or a walk along the seafront and lunch at The Regency.

As one of the sayings at Dr. Brighton's used to say. If you're tired of Brighton you're tired of life.
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Please no, keep Ian Davey at home knitting. Anything but meddling in real lives. Disaster Davey. Read tripadvisor and see what visitors are saying about what a mess you have made. Now the world knows. The city's reputation is being wrecked.[/p][/quote]Thanks for the heads up and I did read Tripadvisor. Apart from one article criticising the council I was struggling to find anything negative. Mostly recommendations for pubs/things to do. You just love to talk down Brighton don't you? As I've said before, I've never regretted moving here 40 years ago as student. It's still the most vibrant and exciting city I've ever lived in with so much going for it that I wonder how many of the moaners on here actually live in the town. If you seriously think Brighton is going to the dogs then you really aren't paying attention. Every time we have guests they all think Brighton is a wonderful place. My ex-collegues in London come to Brighton regularly and would find your assertion of how bad it is simply laughable. I still love the place even if I don't go to as many gigs as I used to. It's still a joy to stroll around the North Laine or a walk along the seafront and lunch at The Regency. As one of the sayings at Dr. Brighton's used to say. If you're tired of Brighton you're tired of life. musesboy
  • Score: 16

10:33am Sun 5 Jan 14

musesboy says...

And the negative article on Tripadvisor was from that well known Green supporting paper The Telegraph.
And the negative article on Tripadvisor was from that well known Green supporting paper The Telegraph. musesboy
  • Score: 8

10:51am Sun 5 Jan 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

Read the traveller forums for B&H. They are comments from visitors about the high cost of parking, the poor transport and the high cost of the train travel.
Independent travellers from all over the UK and world. It's people's experience. You can choose to ignore it or you can listen to it and understand the threat these world view messaging has on the future of the city.
Read the traveller forums for B&H. They are comments from visitors about the high cost of parking, the poor transport and the high cost of the train travel. Independent travellers from all over the UK and world. It's people's experience. You can choose to ignore it or you can listen to it and understand the threat these world view messaging has on the future of the city. Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: 21

11:04am Sun 5 Jan 14

Gribbet says...

I guess I'm in the minority on here, but as a tax payer I like seeing a few physical improvements made to the city that I live in and walk around and I can happily live with a bit of short term disruption for the sake of long term improvement. You need to break a few eggs to make an omelette and those that can't handle change need to wake up and realise that urban environments don't just stay the way they've always been, without a bit of urban renovation and regeneration, you're left with slow gradual decay. If you love the town you live in, you need to learn to accept occasional traffic disruptions.
I guess I'm in the minority on here, but as a tax payer I like seeing a few physical improvements made to the city that I live in and walk around and I can happily live with a bit of short term disruption for the sake of long term improvement. You need to break a few eggs to make an omelette and those that can't handle change need to wake up and realise that urban environments don't just stay the way they've always been, without a bit of urban renovation and regeneration, you're left with slow gradual decay. If you love the town you live in, you need to learn to accept occasional traffic disruptions. Gribbet
  • Score: 0

11:32am Sun 5 Jan 14

BURIRAM says...

Hope the Police will be there in the Evening to sort out the Taxis as they park everywhere including on the crossings and Traffic control lights.
Hope the Police will be there in the Evening to sort out the Taxis as they park everywhere including on the crossings and Traffic control lights. BURIRAM
  • Score: 22

12:20pm Sun 5 Jan 14

Falmer Wizard says...

The taxis are the problem because too many are queuing to gain entrance into the station which block in other traffic particulary buses, a traffic warden issuing fines for the first two offences then withdrawl of taxi licence would solve this problem, Seven Dials caused chaos this will cause gridlock.
The taxis are the problem because too many are queuing to gain entrance into the station which block in other traffic particulary buses, a traffic warden issuing fines for the first two offences then withdrawl of taxi licence would solve this problem, Seven Dials caused chaos this will cause gridlock. Falmer Wizard
  • Score: 19

12:43pm Sun 5 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Problem is people think change is always better! I am sure the station area will look pretty, but how is it going to reduce traffic? If the taxi s are still using the front for picking and dropping? Simply moving the rank to the back would make a massive difference to traffic. Without being unkind a few trees won't make much difference.it may help keep the street rubbish dry while they beg from the visitors!
The pavements need widening because shops / coffee bars have signage on the pavements.
From what I remember of the area at the front of the station there isn't a whole lot of space to work with, unless you tear down a few buildings, and that won't happen. Is this revamp mostly concerned with the square yardage that is currently inside the station access area?
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Problem is people think change is always better! I am sure the station area will look pretty, but how is it going to reduce traffic? If the taxi s are still using the front for picking and dropping? Simply moving the rank to the back would make a massive difference to traffic. Without being unkind a few trees won't make much difference.it may help keep the street rubbish dry while they beg from the visitors! The pavements need widening because shops / coffee bars have signage on the pavements.[/p][/quote]From what I remember of the area at the front of the station there isn't a whole lot of space to work with, unless you tear down a few buildings, and that won't happen. Is this revamp mostly concerned with the square yardage that is currently inside the station access area? VegasSeagull
  • Score: 1

1:07pm Sun 5 Jan 14

mark by the sea says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Problem is people think change is always better! I am sure the station area will look pretty, but how is it going to reduce traffic? If the taxi s are still using the front for picking and dropping? Simply moving the rank to the back would make a massive difference to traffic. Without being unkind a few trees won't make much difference.it may help keep the street rubbish dry while they beg from the visitors!
The pavements need widening because shops / coffee bars have signage on the pavements.
From what I remember of the area at the front of the station there isn't a whole lot of space to work with, unless you tear down a few buildings, and that won't happen. Is this revamp mostly concerned with the square yardage that is currently inside the station access area?
Problem is , the taxi is basically a close, one road in and out, space for maybe 20 taxis, however there are 400 who pay £400 a year to pick up at the station, so early evenings till 9 is prime time for the cabs, which means far to many trying to access the station, it's not the cab drivers fault, but really poor planning by the station ..
Unless the taxi rank is sorted it's going to be a mess .. Davey and his greens need to realise that first .
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Problem is people think change is always better! I am sure the station area will look pretty, but how is it going to reduce traffic? If the taxi s are still using the front for picking and dropping? Simply moving the rank to the back would make a massive difference to traffic. Without being unkind a few trees won't make much difference.it may help keep the street rubbish dry while they beg from the visitors! The pavements need widening because shops / coffee bars have signage on the pavements.[/p][/quote]From what I remember of the area at the front of the station there isn't a whole lot of space to work with, unless you tear down a few buildings, and that won't happen. Is this revamp mostly concerned with the square yardage that is currently inside the station access area?[/p][/quote]Problem is , the taxi is basically a close, one road in and out, space for maybe 20 taxis, however there are 400 who pay £400 a year to pick up at the station, so early evenings till 9 is prime time for the cabs, which means far to many trying to access the station, it's not the cab drivers fault, but really poor planning by the station .. Unless the taxi rank is sorted it's going to be a mess .. Davey and his greens need to realise that first . mark by the sea
  • Score: 15

2:05pm Sun 5 Jan 14

her professional says...

musesboy wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Please no, keep Ian Davey at home knitting. Anything but meddling in real lives. Disaster Davey. Read tripadvisor and see what visitors are saying about what a mess you have made. Now the world knows. The city's reputation is being wrecked.
Thanks for the heads up and I did read Tripadvisor.

Apart from one article criticising the council I was struggling to find anything negative. Mostly recommendations for pubs/things to do.

You just love to talk down Brighton don't you? As I've said before, I've never regretted moving here 40 years ago as student. It's still the most vibrant and exciting city I've ever lived in with so much going for it that I wonder how many of the moaners on here actually live in the town. If you seriously think Brighton is going to the dogs then you really aren't paying attention.

Every time we have guests they all think Brighton is a wonderful place. My ex-collegues in London come to Brighton regularly and would find your assertion of how bad it is simply laughable.

I still love the place even if I don't go to as many gigs as I used to. It's still a joy to stroll around the North Laine or a walk along the seafront and lunch at The Regency.

As one of the sayings at Dr. Brighton's used to say. If you're tired of Brighton you're tired of life.
Well said Museboy. These people aren't tired of life, they simply don't have lives. After all, if Brighton is that bad it's easy for them to move elsewhere where property is cheaper, there will probably be a Tory council with lots of free parking, and everything will therefore be perfect.
[quote][p][bold]musesboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Please no, keep Ian Davey at home knitting. Anything but meddling in real lives. Disaster Davey. Read tripadvisor and see what visitors are saying about what a mess you have made. Now the world knows. The city's reputation is being wrecked.[/p][/quote]Thanks for the heads up and I did read Tripadvisor. Apart from one article criticising the council I was struggling to find anything negative. Mostly recommendations for pubs/things to do. You just love to talk down Brighton don't you? As I've said before, I've never regretted moving here 40 years ago as student. It's still the most vibrant and exciting city I've ever lived in with so much going for it that I wonder how many of the moaners on here actually live in the town. If you seriously think Brighton is going to the dogs then you really aren't paying attention. Every time we have guests they all think Brighton is a wonderful place. My ex-collegues in London come to Brighton regularly and would find your assertion of how bad it is simply laughable. I still love the place even if I don't go to as many gigs as I used to. It's still a joy to stroll around the North Laine or a walk along the seafront and lunch at The Regency. As one of the sayings at Dr. Brighton's used to say. If you're tired of Brighton you're tired of life.[/p][/quote]Well said Museboy. These people aren't tired of life, they simply don't have lives. After all, if Brighton is that bad it's easy for them to move elsewhere where property is cheaper, there will probably be a Tory council with lots of free parking, and everything will therefore be perfect. her professional
  • Score: -10

3:02pm Sun 5 Jan 14

rolivan says...

Why not just stop traffic going down Trafalgar St from the top and pave over it and just leave the pedestrian entrance to the Station like it used to Be?
Why not just stop traffic going down Trafalgar St from the top and pave over it and just leave the pedestrian entrance to the Station like it used to Be? rolivan
  • Score: 12

3:51pm Sun 5 Jan 14

jimpy762 says...

Much as I hate to admit it, the council have a point here, its a right pigs ear by the station. Bus stops blocking junctions, makeshift structures outside sergeant yorks, taxis with nowhere to go and traffic lights with a mind of their own. If the plan is to make better use of the space then I'm all for it because they probably couldn't make it any worse than it already is.
Much as I hate to admit it, the council have a point here, its a right pigs ear by the station. Bus stops blocking junctions, makeshift structures outside sergeant yorks, taxis with nowhere to go and traffic lights with a mind of their own. If the plan is to make better use of the space then I'm all for it because they probably couldn't make it any worse than it already is. jimpy762
  • Score: 12

6:45pm Sun 5 Jan 14

NickBtn says...

jimpy762 wrote:
Much as I hate to admit it, the council have a point here, its a right pigs ear by the station. Bus stops blocking junctions, makeshift structures outside sergeant yorks, taxis with nowhere to go and traffic lights with a mind of their own. If the plan is to make better use of the space then I'm all for it because they probably couldn't make it any worse than it already is.
Yes, the area around the station is a mess. Unfortunately the council has a reputation for making a mess of road schemes. Even managing to take areas which worked (such as Lewes Road) and breaking them. I don't have much confidence that they won't make the station worse too (which is a challenge I admit, but one I'm sure the council is up for!)

We have lost confidence in what the council is doing with phoney surveys (repeated until the "correct" required answer is given) and parties/surveys which show "success" even when our eyes show something different. The town needs to move on, this area does need to be improved, but judging on previous road projects the current council officers and green party are not the people to achieve it. Until they both change, please leave things as they are and do them properly later.
[quote][p][bold]jimpy762[/bold] wrote: Much as I hate to admit it, the council have a point here, its a right pigs ear by the station. Bus stops blocking junctions, makeshift structures outside sergeant yorks, taxis with nowhere to go and traffic lights with a mind of their own. If the plan is to make better use of the space then I'm all for it because they probably couldn't make it any worse than it already is.[/p][/quote]Yes, the area around the station is a mess. Unfortunately the council has a reputation for making a mess of road schemes. Even managing to take areas which worked (such as Lewes Road) and breaking them. I don't have much confidence that they won't make the station worse too (which is a challenge I admit, but one I'm sure the council is up for!) We have lost confidence in what the council is doing with phoney surveys (repeated until the "correct" required answer is given) and parties/surveys which show "success" even when our eyes show something different. The town needs to move on, this area does need to be improved, but judging on previous road projects the current council officers and green party are not the people to achieve it. Until they both change, please leave things as they are and do them properly later. NickBtn
  • Score: 10

7:00pm Sun 5 Jan 14

MICKY389 says...

There seem to be a great many people who comment on this site who are stuck in a 1970s time warp.Well I have some advice, come to Eastbourne where both the local council and ESCC are in the same era, car friendly, public transport unfriendly policies, bus services
that run every 30 minutes, a town centre choked by fumes and cars, whole streets of either charity or boarded up shops, a refuse service that is a shambles....I could go on. No doubt mistakes have been made in Brighton, but at least they are trying to do something unlike the old duffers in Eastbourne
There seem to be a great many people who comment on this site who are stuck in a 1970s time warp.Well I have some advice, come to Eastbourne where both the local council and ESCC are in the same era, car friendly, public transport unfriendly policies, bus services that run every 30 minutes, a town centre choked by fumes and cars, whole streets of either charity or boarded up shops, a refuse service that is a shambles....I could go on. No doubt mistakes have been made in Brighton, but at least they are trying to do something unlike the old duffers in Eastbourne MICKY389
  • Score: 0

7:29pm Sun 5 Jan 14

gheese77 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Problem is people think change is always better! I am sure the station area will look pretty, but how is it going to reduce traffic? If the taxi s are still using the front for picking and dropping? Simply moving the rank to the back would make a massive difference to traffic. Without being unkind a few trees won't make much difference.it may help keep the street rubbish dry while they beg from the visitors!
The pavements need widening because shops / coffee bars have signage on the pavements.
From what I remember of the area at the front of the station there isn't a whole lot of space to work with, unless you tear down a few buildings, and that won't happen. Is this revamp mostly concerned with the square yardage that is currently inside the station access area?
Originally there was less space, with buildings right up to the station frontage
This was changed in 1935, when there were a lot less cars


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[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Problem is people think change is always better! I am sure the station area will look pretty, but how is it going to reduce traffic? If the taxi s are still using the front for picking and dropping? Simply moving the rank to the back would make a massive difference to traffic. Without being unkind a few trees won't make much difference.it may help keep the street rubbish dry while they beg from the visitors! The pavements need widening because shops / coffee bars have signage on the pavements.[/p][/quote]From what I remember of the area at the front of the station there isn't a whole lot of space to work with, unless you tear down a few buildings, and that won't happen. Is this revamp mostly concerned with the square yardage that is currently inside the station access area?[/p][/quote]Originally there was less space, with buildings right up to the station frontage This was changed in 1935, when there were a lot less cars http://regencysociet y-jamesgray.com/volu me31/source/jg_31_16 4.html http://regencysociet y-jamesgray.com/volu me31/source/jg_31_14 8.html gheese77
  • Score: -18

7:49pm Sun 5 Jan 14

NickBtn says...

MICKY389 wrote:
There seem to be a great many people who comment on this site who are stuck in a 1970s time warp.Well I have some advice, come to Eastbourne where both the local council and ESCC are in the same era, car friendly, public transport unfriendly policies, bus services
that run every 30 minutes, a town centre choked by fumes and cars, whole streets of either charity or boarded up shops, a refuse service that is a shambles....I could go on. No doubt mistakes have been made in Brighton, but at least they are trying to do something unlike the old duffers in Eastbourne
Maybe the council are trying, but not really succeeding.... To take your points

- Car friendly - well Brighton isn't. Unfortunately schemes like Lewes Road are designed to increase congestion for cars/vans/lorries and so pollution (even if some people switch to other forms of transport - this based on council's own figures)
- Public transport friendly - surprisingly many "Green" policies haven't been and the bus company has had to campaign against. The rail station changes were one - the original proposals had space for far fewer buses than now. So U turn allowing them to stay after bus/customer campaign. 20mph spreading, making buses less attractive. Some of the bus routes will remain at 30mph following protests by friends of the earth (yes really!)
- car centre choked by fumes. Well Brighton has this, but not caused by cars. North Street is well above permitted levels and it's buses/taxis causing this as cars are banned
- Refuse service which is a shambles. Well not sure how Eastbourne is doing worse on this than Brighton. Many collections missed over Christmas New Year as Argus reported. Recycling rates are also dire

So maybe the greens are being progressive and trying. But on most measures they can't be seen as succeeding - even against "Green" priorities like pollution or recycling.
[quote][p][bold]MICKY389[/bold] wrote: There seem to be a great many people who comment on this site who are stuck in a 1970s time warp.Well I have some advice, come to Eastbourne where both the local council and ESCC are in the same era, car friendly, public transport unfriendly policies, bus services that run every 30 minutes, a town centre choked by fumes and cars, whole streets of either charity or boarded up shops, a refuse service that is a shambles....I could go on. No doubt mistakes have been made in Brighton, but at least they are trying to do something unlike the old duffers in Eastbourne[/p][/quote]Maybe the council are trying, but not really succeeding.... To take your points - Car friendly - well Brighton isn't. Unfortunately schemes like Lewes Road are designed to increase congestion for cars/vans/lorries and so pollution (even if some people switch to other forms of transport - this based on council's own figures) - Public transport friendly - surprisingly many "Green" policies haven't been and the bus company has had to campaign against. The rail station changes were one - the original proposals had space for far fewer buses than now. So U turn allowing them to stay after bus/customer campaign. 20mph spreading, making buses less attractive. Some of the bus routes will remain at 30mph following protests by friends of the earth (yes really!) - car centre choked by fumes. Well Brighton has this, but not caused by cars. North Street is well above permitted levels and it's buses/taxis causing this as cars are banned - Refuse service which is a shambles. Well not sure how Eastbourne is doing worse on this than Brighton. Many collections missed over Christmas New Year as Argus reported. Recycling rates are also dire So maybe the greens are being progressive and trying. But on most measures they can't be seen as succeeding - even against "Green" priorities like pollution or recycling. NickBtn
  • Score: 9

8:07pm Sun 5 Jan 14

Falmer Wizard says...

It should be noted that the Council purchased properties in Surrey Street and Queens Road in the mid thirtys to improve the area in front of Brighton Station, WW2 prevented the propertises being demolished and they were made Council properties with priority given to British Rail staff. The Council at this time deciding to go ahead with this scheme,there must be many projects that deserve to be started during a period that businesses are closing down,however in fantasty land all is well.
It should be noted that the Council purchased properties in Surrey Street and Queens Road in the mid thirtys to improve the area in front of Brighton Station, WW2 prevented the propertises being demolished and they were made Council properties with priority given to British Rail staff. The Council at this time deciding to go ahead with this scheme,there must be many projects that deserve to be started during a period that businesses are closing down,however in fantasty land all is well. Falmer Wizard
  • Score: 2

8:08pm Sun 5 Jan 14

Robertostarlight says...

musesboy wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Please no, keep Ian Davey at home knitting. Anything but meddling in real lives. Disaster Davey. Read tripadvisor and see what visitors are saying about what a mess you have made. Now the world knows. The city's reputation is being wrecked.
Thanks for the heads up and I did read Tripadvisor.

Apart from one article criticising the council I was struggling to find anything negative. Mostly recommendations for pubs/things to do.

You just love to talk down Brighton don't you? As I've said before, I've never regretted moving here 40 years ago as student. It's still the most vibrant and exciting city I've ever lived in with so much going for it that I wonder how many of the moaners on here actually live in the town. If you seriously think Brighton is going to the dogs then you really aren't paying attention.

Every time we have guests they all think Brighton is a wonderful place. My ex-collegues in London come to Brighton regularly and would find your assertion of how bad it is simply laughable.

I still love the place even if I don't go to as many gigs as I used to. It's still a joy to stroll around the North Laine or a walk along the seafront and lunch at The Regency.

As one of the sayings at Dr. Brighton's used to say. If you're tired of Brighton you're tired of life.
The problem is'museboy ', like most of the Green fraternity it seems, you never really stopped being a 'student' and live in middle-class world where real working people with real jobs and real financial and social problems exist.

I have lived in Brighton for nealy 70 years and, for all their many faults, no Council in that time has been so incompetent, and living in a world of such idealogical dogma.

It is perhaps time that the people who live on the outskirts of the town, on the estates, where people like you, strolling along to 'gigs'and the 'North Laine', (where did that precious title appear from anyway?), to 'lunch at The Regency', have shunted them by the gentrification of the town centre, (ordinary people used to live in Hanover you know), took back their town from those who seek to impose their lazy bourgoise dogma on those who cannot afford the luxury of such thoughts. They are too busy struggling along trying to make ends meet., whilst people like you seemingly have their higher thoughts to impose on them 'for their own good'.
Patronising does not seem a strong enough word!
[quote][p][bold]musesboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Please no, keep Ian Davey at home knitting. Anything but meddling in real lives. Disaster Davey. Read tripadvisor and see what visitors are saying about what a mess you have made. Now the world knows. The city's reputation is being wrecked.[/p][/quote]Thanks for the heads up and I did read Tripadvisor. Apart from one article criticising the council I was struggling to find anything negative. Mostly recommendations for pubs/things to do. You just love to talk down Brighton don't you? As I've said before, I've never regretted moving here 40 years ago as student. It's still the most vibrant and exciting city I've ever lived in with so much going for it that I wonder how many of the moaners on here actually live in the town. If you seriously think Brighton is going to the dogs then you really aren't paying attention. Every time we have guests they all think Brighton is a wonderful place. My ex-collegues in London come to Brighton regularly and would find your assertion of how bad it is simply laughable. I still love the place even if I don't go to as many gigs as I used to. It's still a joy to stroll around the North Laine or a walk along the seafront and lunch at The Regency. As one of the sayings at Dr. Brighton's used to say. If you're tired of Brighton you're tired of life.[/p][/quote]The problem is'museboy ', like most of the Green fraternity it seems, you never really stopped being a 'student' and live in middle-class world where real working people with real jobs and real financial and social problems exist. I have lived in Brighton for nealy 70 years and, for all their many faults, no Council in that time has been so incompetent, and living in a world of such idealogical dogma. It is perhaps time that the people who live on the outskirts of the town, on the estates, where people like you, strolling along to 'gigs'and the 'North Laine', (where did that precious title appear from anyway?), to 'lunch at The Regency', have shunted them by the gentrification of the town centre, (ordinary people used to live in Hanover you know), took back their town from those who seek to impose their lazy bourgoise dogma on those who cannot afford the luxury of such thoughts. They are too busy struggling along trying to make ends meet., whilst people like you seemingly have their higher thoughts to impose on them 'for their own good'. Patronising does not seem a strong enough word! Robertostarlight
  • Score: 16

9:26pm Sun 5 Jan 14

Robertostarlight says...

Robertostarlight wrote:
musesboy wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Please no, keep Ian Davey at home knitting. Anything but meddling in real lives. Disaster Davey. Read tripadvisor and see what visitors are saying about what a mess you have made. Now the world knows. The city's reputation is being wrecked.
Thanks for the heads up and I did read Tripadvisor.

Apart from one article criticising the council I was struggling to find anything negative. Mostly recommendations for pubs/things to do.

You just love to talk down Brighton don't you? As I've said before, I've never regretted moving here 40 years ago as student. It's still the most vibrant and exciting city I've ever lived in with so much going for it that I wonder how many of the moaners on here actually live in the town. If you seriously think Brighton is going to the dogs then you really aren't paying attention.

Every time we have guests they all think Brighton is a wonderful place. My ex-collegues in London come to Brighton regularly and would find your assertion of how bad it is simply laughable.

I still love the place even if I don't go to as many gigs as I used to. It's still a joy to stroll around the North Laine or a walk along the seafront and lunch at The Regency.

As one of the sayings at Dr. Brighton's used to say. If you're tired of Brighton you're tired of life.
The problem is'museboy ', like most of the Green fraternity it seems, you never really stopped being a 'student' and live in middle-class world where real working people with real jobs and real financial and social problems exist.

I have lived in Brighton for nealy 70 years and, for all their many faults, no Council in that time has been so incompetent, and living in a world of such idealogical dogma.

It is perhaps time that the people who live on the outskirts of the town, on the estates, where people like you, strolling along to 'gigs'and the 'North Laine', (where did that precious title appear from anyway?), to 'lunch at The Regency', have shunted them by the gentrification of the town centre, (ordinary people used to live in Hanover you know), took back their town from those who seek to impose their lazy bourgoise dogma on those who cannot afford the luxury of such thoughts. They are too busy struggling along trying to make ends meet., whilst people like you seemingly have their higher thoughts to impose on them 'for their own good'.
Patronising does not seem a strong enough word!
Sorry I missed 'no' regarding ' no real working people..' but I am sure you got the gist.
[quote][p][bold]Robertostarlight[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]musesboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Please no, keep Ian Davey at home knitting. Anything but meddling in real lives. Disaster Davey. Read tripadvisor and see what visitors are saying about what a mess you have made. Now the world knows. The city's reputation is being wrecked.[/p][/quote]Thanks for the heads up and I did read Tripadvisor. Apart from one article criticising the council I was struggling to find anything negative. Mostly recommendations for pubs/things to do. You just love to talk down Brighton don't you? As I've said before, I've never regretted moving here 40 years ago as student. It's still the most vibrant and exciting city I've ever lived in with so much going for it that I wonder how many of the moaners on here actually live in the town. If you seriously think Brighton is going to the dogs then you really aren't paying attention. Every time we have guests they all think Brighton is a wonderful place. My ex-collegues in London come to Brighton regularly and would find your assertion of how bad it is simply laughable. I still love the place even if I don't go to as many gigs as I used to. It's still a joy to stroll around the North Laine or a walk along the seafront and lunch at The Regency. As one of the sayings at Dr. Brighton's used to say. If you're tired of Brighton you're tired of life.[/p][/quote]The problem is'museboy ', like most of the Green fraternity it seems, you never really stopped being a 'student' and live in middle-class world where real working people with real jobs and real financial and social problems exist. I have lived in Brighton for nealy 70 years and, for all their many faults, no Council in that time has been so incompetent, and living in a world of such idealogical dogma. It is perhaps time that the people who live on the outskirts of the town, on the estates, where people like you, strolling along to 'gigs'and the 'North Laine', (where did that precious title appear from anyway?), to 'lunch at The Regency', have shunted them by the gentrification of the town centre, (ordinary people used to live in Hanover you know), took back their town from those who seek to impose their lazy bourgoise dogma on those who cannot afford the luxury of such thoughts. They are too busy struggling along trying to make ends meet., whilst people like you seemingly have their higher thoughts to impose on them 'for their own good'. Patronising does not seem a strong enough word![/p][/quote]Sorry I missed 'no' regarding ' no real working people..' but I am sure you got the gist. Robertostarlight
  • Score: 7

10:08pm Sun 5 Jan 14

Mark63 says...

So, as usual with the limey greens, its the motorist that gets the short straw,,, wider walkways, new cycle lanes and no improvements at all for drop offs by car - instead add a couple of miles to your journey trying to find the rear of the station where a semblance of vehicle drop-off is available... Good luck negotiating the dreadful 1-way systems around the Lanes - you will probably end up back where you started... None of the sensible improvements have been picked up and I don't believe any of those supposed stats either.... What a waste of money...!
So, as usual with the limey greens, its the motorist that gets the short straw,,, wider walkways, new cycle lanes and no improvements at all for drop offs by car - instead add a couple of miles to your journey trying to find the rear of the station where a semblance of vehicle drop-off is available... Good luck negotiating the dreadful 1-way systems around the Lanes - you will probably end up back where you started... None of the sensible improvements have been picked up and I don't believe any of those supposed stats either.... What a waste of money...! Mark63
  • Score: 4

11:48am Mon 6 Jan 14

her professional says...

NickBtn wrote:
MICKY389 wrote:
There seem to be a great many people who comment on this site who are stuck in a 1970s time warp.Well I have some advice, come to Eastbourne where both the local council and ESCC are in the same era, car friendly, public transport unfriendly policies, bus services
that run every 30 minutes, a town centre choked by fumes and cars, whole streets of either charity or boarded up shops, a refuse service that is a shambles....I could go on. No doubt mistakes have been made in Brighton, but at least they are trying to do something unlike the old duffers in Eastbourne
Maybe the council are trying, but not really succeeding.... To take your points

- Car friendly - well Brighton isn't. Unfortunately schemes like Lewes Road are designed to increase congestion for cars/vans/lorries and so pollution (even if some people switch to other forms of transport - this based on council's own figures)
- Public transport friendly - surprisingly many "Green" policies haven't been and the bus company has had to campaign against. The rail station changes were one - the original proposals had space for far fewer buses than now. So U turn allowing them to stay after bus/customer campaign. 20mph spreading, making buses less attractive. Some of the bus routes will remain at 30mph following protests by friends of the earth (yes really!)
- car centre choked by fumes. Well Brighton has this, but not caused by cars. North Street is well above permitted levels and it's buses/taxis causing this as cars are banned
- Refuse service which is a shambles. Well not sure how Eastbourne is doing worse on this than Brighton. Many collections missed over Christmas New Year as Argus reported. Recycling rates are also dire

So maybe the greens are being progressive and trying. But on most measures they can't be seen as succeeding - even against "Green" priorities like pollution or recycling.
So when the Council listen to the bus companŷ and make changes it's a u turn, if they don't make changes the surveys are phoney - make your mind up.
[quote][p][bold]NickBtn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MICKY389[/bold] wrote: There seem to be a great many people who comment on this site who are stuck in a 1970s time warp.Well I have some advice, come to Eastbourne where both the local council and ESCC are in the same era, car friendly, public transport unfriendly policies, bus services that run every 30 minutes, a town centre choked by fumes and cars, whole streets of either charity or boarded up shops, a refuse service that is a shambles....I could go on. No doubt mistakes have been made in Brighton, but at least they are trying to do something unlike the old duffers in Eastbourne[/p][/quote]Maybe the council are trying, but not really succeeding.... To take your points - Car friendly - well Brighton isn't. Unfortunately schemes like Lewes Road are designed to increase congestion for cars/vans/lorries and so pollution (even if some people switch to other forms of transport - this based on council's own figures) - Public transport friendly - surprisingly many "Green" policies haven't been and the bus company has had to campaign against. The rail station changes were one - the original proposals had space for far fewer buses than now. So U turn allowing them to stay after bus/customer campaign. 20mph spreading, making buses less attractive. Some of the bus routes will remain at 30mph following protests by friends of the earth (yes really!) - car centre choked by fumes. Well Brighton has this, but not caused by cars. North Street is well above permitted levels and it's buses/taxis causing this as cars are banned - Refuse service which is a shambles. Well not sure how Eastbourne is doing worse on this than Brighton. Many collections missed over Christmas New Year as Argus reported. Recycling rates are also dire So maybe the greens are being progressive and trying. But on most measures they can't be seen as succeeding - even against "Green" priorities like pollution or recycling.[/p][/quote]So when the Council listen to the bus companŷ and make changes it's a u turn, if they don't make changes the surveys are phoney - make your mind up. her professional
  • Score: 0

5:34pm Mon 6 Jan 14

deanaprior says...

Love them or hate them ( mainly hate on here) but the Greens get stuff done.
Love them or hate them ( mainly hate on here) but the Greens get stuff done. deanaprior
  • Score: -2

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