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Brighton and Hove council to hold £230k referendum on planned 4.75% council tax rise

The Argus: Brighton and Hove council leader Jason Kitcat Brighton and Hove council leader Jason Kitcat

Brighton and Hove City Council is set to let the people decide by holding a referendum on a proposed council tax rise of 4.75%.

The Green-led minority administration announced the move as it looks to balance the books in the face of government cuts.

Under government rules, town halls across the country cannot increase council tax by more than 2% without triggering a local referendum.

Up until now, the local authority had been working to a rise of 1.96% for the 2014/15 financial year.


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But by announcing a planned rise of 4.75%, everyone of the city’s 275,000 residents will be asked if they support the move.

It is the first local authority in the country to announce such a move, which finance chiefs claim will cost £230,000.

Council leader Jason Kitcat said: "The coalition’s cuts mean we cannot deliver the services we were elected to provide and which our consciences say we should provide.  We have no choice but to seek the views of local people on funding these services through a tax increase.

"Westminster's ideologically driven cuts to local councils are huge and relentless while demand for our services continues to grow. Vulnerable people who depend on our services are being threatened from Westminster like never before.

"We have so far been successful in saving tens of millions of pounds but we can no longer find enough efficiencies to absorb all the cuts. Without today's proposal, I fear for the serious impacts on the most vulnerable in our city from the coalition's cuts."

The rise, which has been supported unanimously by the Green group of 21 councillors, would mean council tax for an average Band D property would increase by £5.97 a month.

For the budget to be passed, it would need the support of either the Conservative (18 members) or Labour (14) groups.

A consultation on the budget is currently ongoing with a final decision to be made by all 54 councillors at a meeting on February 27.

For full reaction and analysis of the announcement see The Argus tomorrow.

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2:49pm Thu 16 Jan 14

PJW Brighton says...

A principled stand. Lets hope Labour Councillors back this move to protect the most vulnerable in our area.
A principled stand. Lets hope Labour Councillors back this move to protect the most vulnerable in our area. PJW Brighton
  • Score: -103

2:51pm Thu 16 Jan 14

PJW Brighton says...

The Green Party's announcement states that the plans for a referendum on a 4.75% council tax increase include a commitment that the money raised by this increase will go to protect our most vulnerable citizens. Specifically the additional funds generated will go to key social care budgets, will keep third sector grants at last year’s levels and will restore the full subsidy to the Able & Willing supported employment service. It's a pity that the article doesn't mention this.
The Green Party's announcement states that the plans for a referendum on a 4.75% council tax increase include a commitment that the money raised by this increase will go to protect our most vulnerable citizens. Specifically the additional funds generated will go to key social care budgets, will keep third sector grants at last year’s levels and will restore the full subsidy to the Able & Willing supported employment service. It's a pity that the article doesn't mention this. PJW Brighton
  • Score: -72

2:52pm Thu 16 Jan 14

mustaphaLeeko says...

I have NO PROBLEM with them holding a referendum,
HOWEVER, students who pay NO COUNCIL TAX AT AL,
should not be allowed a say.
I have NO PROBLEM with them holding a referendum, HOWEVER, students who pay NO COUNCIL TAX AT AL, should not be allowed a say. mustaphaLeeko
  • Score: 189

2:53pm Thu 16 Jan 14

mustaphaLeeko says...

mustaphaLeeko wrote:
I have NO PROBLEM with them holding a referendum,
HOWEVER, students who pay NO COUNCIL TAX AT AL,
should not be allowed a say.
sp. ALL not AL.
[quote][p][bold]mustaphaLeeko[/bold] wrote: I have NO PROBLEM with them holding a referendum, HOWEVER, students who pay NO COUNCIL TAX AT AL, should not be allowed a say.[/p][/quote]sp. ALL not AL. mustaphaLeeko
  • Score: 48

2:58pm Thu 16 Jan 14

whatevernext2013 says...

as this council does less and less for the people of brighton and hove and spends more and more of our council tax on cleaning up after caravan dwellers
,with the bins on our streets still not emptied ,you would think we were due a refund and a cut in council tax over the next few years
as this council does less and less for the people of brighton and hove and spends more and more of our council tax on cleaning up after caravan dwellers ,with the bins on our streets still not emptied ,you would think we were due a refund and a cut in council tax over the next few years whatevernext2013
  • Score: 168

3:03pm Thu 16 Jan 14

s&k says...

I am not happy about 100k of council funds being diverted from services into a referendum. If you need to raise council tax then just do it. Central government doesn't consult us on the rates of Income Tax set.
I am not happy about 100k of council funds being diverted from services into a referendum. If you need to raise council tax then just do it. Central government doesn't consult us on the rates of Income Tax set. s&k
  • Score: -102

3:06pm Thu 16 Jan 14

DAP85 says...

Unfortunately the only way we can save services to the most vulnerable in this city in the face of the coalitions savage cuts is to raise council tax, and the Greens are letting the people decide if this is what we want to do. Genuinely involving the community in the big decisions!

I hope Labour support this budget move and show dedication to protecting the most vulnerable in the city. Without this tax increase there is no way the city can have a budget without severe cuts.
Unfortunately the only way we can save services to the most vulnerable in this city in the face of the coalitions savage cuts is to raise council tax, and the Greens are letting the people decide if this is what we want to do. Genuinely involving the community in the big decisions! I hope Labour support this budget move and show dedication to protecting the most vulnerable in the city. Without this tax increase there is no way the city can have a budget without severe cuts. DAP85
  • Score: -105

3:08pm Thu 16 Jan 14

greenpaws says...

This is a bold and much need step against the harm the vulnerable in the city suffer.

Will Labour and the Tories let the local people have their say in a referendum? or will they serve their pro-rich and anti-poor positions?

It's certainly time the people had a say. Tories and Labour pay lip service to localism but when it comes to it are often found wanting. Will they be hypocrites again?
This is a bold and much need step against the harm the vulnerable in the city suffer. Will Labour and the Tories let the local people have their say in a referendum? or will they serve their pro-rich and anti-poor positions? It's certainly time the people had a say. Tories and Labour pay lip service to localism but when it comes to it are often found wanting. Will they be hypocrites again? greenpaws
  • Score: -82

3:09pm Thu 16 Jan 14

greenpaws says...

The referendum will take place at the same time as the Euro elections so will save having to pay £120,000.

It's time for democracy and the people to decide!
The referendum will take place at the same time as the Euro elections so will save having to pay £120,000. It's time for democracy and the people to decide! greenpaws
  • Score: 40

3:12pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Fight_Back says...

What the council aren't telling you are that THEY waste money left right and centre.

In the last 18 months they spent nearly ONE MILLION POUNDS on windows for the Brighton Centre to "make the frontage look more appealing" rather than for any reason such as they had come to the end of their useful life.

What about the £800k on "improvements" to Seven Dials ? They could have installed the "Ovalabout" for less than 25% of that money but decided on the most expensive materials available because "they wanted it to look appealing".

What about the THOUSANDS they spent on the "Skip Art" ?

These are but THREE examples of how they waste OUR money. I would encourage EVERYONE to vote NO in any referendum on increasing council tax by such an extortionate amount. They are doing this for political reasons and nothing else.

Last weekend I had a Labour candidate knock on my door looking for my opinions - when I explained I had voted Green last local election but would NEVER vote for them again she gave me a wry knowing smile. GOODBYE GREENS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What the council aren't telling you are that THEY waste money left right and centre. In the last 18 months they spent nearly ONE MILLION POUNDS on windows for the Brighton Centre to "make the frontage look more appealing" rather than for any reason such as they had come to the end of their useful life. What about the £800k on "improvements" to Seven Dials ? They could have installed the "Ovalabout" for less than 25% of that money but decided on the most expensive materials available because "they wanted it to look appealing". What about the THOUSANDS they spent on the "Skip Art" ? These are but THREE examples of how they waste OUR money. I would encourage EVERYONE to vote NO in any referendum on increasing council tax by such an extortionate amount. They are doing this for political reasons and nothing else. Last weekend I had a Labour candidate knock on my door looking for my opinions - when I explained I had voted Green last local election but would NEVER vote for them again she gave me a wry knowing smile. GOODBYE GREENS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Fight_Back
  • Score: 130

3:17pm Thu 16 Jan 14

UsualSuspect says...

Stop wasting the money on bus lanes,cycle routes and 20MPH speed limits.

That will save you some money for starters.
Stop wasting the money on bus lanes,cycle routes and 20MPH speed limits. That will save you some money for starters. UsualSuspect
  • Score: 150

3:19pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Bubs says...

"The rise, which has been supported unanimously by the Green group of 21 councillors, would mean council tax for an average Band D property would increase by £5.97."

The council tax for a band D is £1507.28, so how can a 4.75% increase be £5.97? My calculator says it will be £71.59 extra to pay.

I'm confused...
"The rise, which has been supported unanimously by the Green group of 21 councillors, would mean council tax for an average Band D property would increase by £5.97." The council tax for a band D is £1507.28, so how can a 4.75% increase be £5.97? My calculator says it will be £71.59 extra to pay. I'm confused... Bubs
  • Score: 56

3:19pm Thu 16 Jan 14

greenpaws says...

Fight_Back, I simply don't believe you voted Green last time. The Greens have been one of the most successful councils in the country, evening winning awards for some of their work.

Re. your points:
As far as I'm aware, the Brighton Centre has had investment to improve energy efficiency and save money and not for prettying the facade.

Seven Dials cost a lot in part due to changes off the roundabout as well but also due to keep the traffic moving during construction.

As for the Skip Art, I hear that was a free installation.

I look forward to a Green majority next time. We clearly don't want the uncaring attitude of Labour/Tories to dominate the council from 2015.

This city is much better under Greens.
Fight_Back, I simply don't believe you voted Green last time. The Greens have been one of the most successful councils in the country, evening winning awards for some of their work. Re. your points: As far as I'm aware, the Brighton Centre has had investment to improve energy efficiency and save money and not for prettying the facade. Seven Dials cost a lot in part due to changes off the roundabout as well but also due to keep the traffic moving during construction. As for the Skip Art, I hear that was a free installation. I look forward to a Green majority next time. We clearly don't want the uncaring attitude of Labour/Tories to dominate the council from 2015. This city is much better under Greens. greenpaws
  • Score: -151

3:22pm Thu 16 Jan 14

greenpaws says...

UsualSuspect
Cycle lanes are installed with grant money and capital funding. It does not come from the day-to-day costs and it is illegal for the council to spend capital on running costs.

Cyclists have been massively underfunded over the years and it's better for cyclists and motorists that the lanes have been installed.

Clearly, you think cyclists lives are worth anything, so clearly I wouldn't want you representing me. No life is expendable!

Go Green!
UsualSuspect Cycle lanes are installed with grant money and capital funding. It does not come from the day-to-day costs and it is illegal for the council to spend capital on running costs. Cyclists have been massively underfunded over the years and it's better for cyclists and motorists that the lanes have been installed. Clearly, you think cyclists lives are worth anything, so clearly I wouldn't want you representing me. No life is expendable! Go Green! greenpaws
  • Score: -121

3:26pm Thu 16 Jan 14

greenpaws says...

Bubs, can you divide by 12 to work out your monthly increase?

Surely, an extra £5.97 is worth support the vulnerable and elderly in the city against the harm from government cuts.

Food and energy has gone up about 40% since 2010 but Council Tax has only gone up about 4%, LESS than inflation.

The cost of caring for MORE elderly goes UP. Why do some find it acceptable that energy companies can jack up prices massively but councils who provide essential services can't ask for reasonable increases.

LET THE PEOPLE DECIDE!
Bubs, can you divide by 12 to work out your monthly increase? Surely, an extra £5.97 is worth support the vulnerable and elderly in the city against the harm from government cuts. Food and energy has gone up about 40% since 2010 but Council Tax has only gone up about 4%, LESS than inflation. The cost of caring for MORE elderly goes UP. Why do some find it acceptable that energy companies can jack up prices massively but councils who provide essential services can't ask for reasonable increases. LET THE PEOPLE DECIDE! greenpaws
  • Score: -84

3:28pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Warren Morgan says...

It is the basic duty of a council administration to set a budget. The Greens have absolved themselves of that responsibility, and put forward a 4.75% council tax increase that they know will not be supported by opposition parties at Council or by the public in a referendum. We cannot support such a huge increase when people are finding it hard to meet rising bills. Instead they have handed the responsibility of dealing with the cuts to others. They cannot now remain in office playing these political games rather than running the city effectively. I am calling on the Greens to resign and allow a cross-party caretaker administration to run the council till the elections in 400 days. Then the public can decide who runs the city.
It is the basic duty of a council administration to set a budget. The Greens have absolved themselves of that responsibility, and put forward a 4.75% council tax increase that they know will not be supported by opposition parties at Council or by the public in a referendum. We cannot support such a huge increase when people are finding it hard to meet rising bills. Instead they have handed the responsibility of dealing with the cuts to others. They cannot now remain in office playing these political games rather than running the city effectively. I am calling on the Greens to resign and allow a cross-party caretaker administration to run the council till the elections in 400 days. Then the public can decide who runs the city. Warren Morgan
  • Score: 93

3:37pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Cyril Bolleaux says...

Clearly the Greens have cranked up their PR machine to get people like Greenpaws to bombard the Argus with propaganda.

How about getting rid of the paid political assistants employed by the Council?
How about ignoring politically inspired Golliwog complaints?
How about cutting down on recording useless PC data on sexuality?
How about reducing taxpayer funded Trade Union council employees?

Most private firms have had to cut back due to the vicious price increases imposed by the Council. The Green anti people policies have made this the most loathed Council in living memory. It is about time the Council cut back rather than indulging in gesture politics.
Clearly the Greens have cranked up their PR machine to get people like Greenpaws to bombard the Argus with propaganda. How about getting rid of the paid political assistants employed by the Council? How about ignoring politically inspired Golliwog complaints? How about cutting down on recording useless PC data on sexuality? How about reducing taxpayer funded Trade Union council employees? Most private firms have had to cut back due to the vicious price increases imposed by the Council. The Green anti people policies have made this the most loathed Council in living memory. It is about time the Council cut back rather than indulging in gesture politics. Cyril Bolleaux
  • Score: 100

3:37pm Thu 16 Jan 14

s&k says...

s&k wrote:
I am not happy about 100k of council funds being diverted from services into a referendum. If you need to raise council tax then just do it. Central government doesn't consult us on the rates of Income Tax set.
So it's gone up to £230k now. Even more reason NOT to do it.
[quote][p][bold]s&k[/bold] wrote: I am not happy about 100k of council funds being diverted from services into a referendum. If you need to raise council tax then just do it. Central government doesn't consult us on the rates of Income Tax set.[/p][/quote]So it's gone up to £230k now. Even more reason NOT to do it. s&k
  • Score: 57

3:38pm Thu 16 Jan 14

PJW Brighton says...

Warren Morgan wrote:
It is the basic duty of a council administration to set a budget. The Greens have absolved themselves of that responsibility, and put forward a 4.75% council tax increase that they know will not be supported by opposition parties at Council or by the public in a referendum. We cannot support such a huge increase when people are finding it hard to meet rising bills. Instead they have handed the responsibility of dealing with the cuts to others. They cannot now remain in office playing these political games rather than running the city effectively. I am calling on the Greens to resign and allow a cross-party caretaker administration to run the council till the elections in 400 days. Then the public can decide who runs the city.
Read this and thought it was Dave Cameron, but know it's a Tory stooge running local Labour.
[quote][p][bold]Warren Morgan[/bold] wrote: It is the basic duty of a council administration to set a budget. The Greens have absolved themselves of that responsibility, and put forward a 4.75% council tax increase that they know will not be supported by opposition parties at Council or by the public in a referendum. We cannot support such a huge increase when people are finding it hard to meet rising bills. Instead they have handed the responsibility of dealing with the cuts to others. They cannot now remain in office playing these political games rather than running the city effectively. I am calling on the Greens to resign and allow a cross-party caretaker administration to run the council till the elections in 400 days. Then the public can decide who runs the city.[/p][/quote]Read this and thought it was Dave Cameron, but know it's a Tory stooge running local Labour. PJW Brighton
  • Score: -51

3:42pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Tring says...

s&k wrote:
I am not happy about 100k of council funds being diverted from services into a referendum. If you need to raise council tax then just do it. Central government doesn't consult us on the rates of Income Tax set.
Centrally imposed rules from Whitehall mean that this referendum to happen.

Another example of the steady leeching of power towards London.
[quote][p][bold]s&k[/bold] wrote: I am not happy about 100k of council funds being diverted from services into a referendum. If you need to raise council tax then just do it. Central government doesn't consult us on the rates of Income Tax set.[/p][/quote]Centrally imposed rules from Whitehall mean that this referendum to happen. Another example of the steady leeching of power towards London. Tring
  • Score: -33

3:46pm Thu 16 Jan 14

dickpagebrighton says...

Warren Morgan wrote:
It is the basic duty of a council administration to set a budget. The Greens have absolved themselves of that responsibility, and put forward a 4.75% council tax increase that they know will not be supported by opposition parties at Council or by the public in a referendum. We cannot support such a huge increase when people are finding it hard to meet rising bills. Instead they have handed the responsibility of dealing with the cuts to others. They cannot now remain in office playing these political games rather than running the city effectively. I am calling on the Greens to resign and allow a cross-party caretaker administration to run the council till the elections in 400 days. Then the public can decide who runs the city.
Labour councillor Warren Morgan has instantly reacted to the Greens brave initiative which protects services to the most vulnerable residents. Is this what they mean by an austerity coalition at Westminster between Labour and Conservatives ? Perhaps he should take a little time to think - with other Labour councillors - whether they are really on the side of most ordinary people if they refuse to give residents this real choice in a referendum.
[quote][p][bold]Warren Morgan[/bold] wrote: It is the basic duty of a council administration to set a budget. The Greens have absolved themselves of that responsibility, and put forward a 4.75% council tax increase that they know will not be supported by opposition parties at Council or by the public in a referendum. We cannot support such a huge increase when people are finding it hard to meet rising bills. Instead they have handed the responsibility of dealing with the cuts to others. They cannot now remain in office playing these political games rather than running the city effectively. I am calling on the Greens to resign and allow a cross-party caretaker administration to run the council till the elections in 400 days. Then the public can decide who runs the city.[/p][/quote]Labour councillor Warren Morgan has instantly reacted to the Greens brave initiative which protects services to the most vulnerable residents. Is this what they mean by an austerity coalition at Westminster between Labour and Conservatives ? Perhaps he should take a little time to think - with other Labour councillors - whether they are really on the side of most ordinary people if they refuse to give residents this real choice in a referendum. dickpagebrighton
  • Score: -46

3:46pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Tring says...

Warren Morgan wrote:
It is the basic duty of a council administration to set a budget. The Greens have absolved themselves of that responsibility, and put forward a 4.75% council tax increase that they know will not be supported by opposition parties at Council or by the public in a referendum. We cannot support such a huge increase when people are finding it hard to meet rising bills. Instead they have handed the responsibility of dealing with the cuts to others. They cannot now remain in office playing these political games rather than running the city effectively. I am calling on the Greens to resign and allow a cross-party caretaker administration to run the council till the elections in 400 days. Then the public can decide who runs the city.
So you're going to team up with the Tories then, Mr Morgan?
[quote][p][bold]Warren Morgan[/bold] wrote: It is the basic duty of a council administration to set a budget. The Greens have absolved themselves of that responsibility, and put forward a 4.75% council tax increase that they know will not be supported by opposition parties at Council or by the public in a referendum. We cannot support such a huge increase when people are finding it hard to meet rising bills. Instead they have handed the responsibility of dealing with the cuts to others. They cannot now remain in office playing these political games rather than running the city effectively. I am calling on the Greens to resign and allow a cross-party caretaker administration to run the council till the elections in 400 days. Then the public can decide who runs the city.[/p][/quote]So you're going to team up with the Tories then, Mr Morgan? Tring
  • Score: 19

3:49pm Thu 16 Jan 14

s&k says...

£230k when we know the public will say NO to council tax rises, so they'll have to cut the CT rate and be down the cost of the referendum. That's the wages of a Social Worker for nearly a decade.
£230k when we know the public will say NO to council tax rises, so they'll have to cut the CT rate and be down the cost of the referendum. That's the wages of a Social Worker for nearly a decade. s&k
  • Score: 38

3:50pm Thu 16 Jan 14

greenpaws says...

Warren Morgan will you be voting to DENY the people a say?
Warren Morgan will you be voting to DENY the people a say? greenpaws
  • Score: -36

3:50pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Cgull says...

What a waste of money.

Only a few thick Greens actually believe people will vote for higher taxes.
What a waste of money. Only a few thick Greens actually believe people will vote for higher taxes. Cgull
  • Score: 78

3:53pm Thu 16 Jan 14

bikerjimbo says...

Thank God we have a right to a referendum on this because it shows how bad the Greens are in setting budgets. They spend more time on penalising us. The bin men, the road policy, the support for the travellers all waste our money. THEN they say they want more. Thankfully we are nearing the last few months of this administration but they are determined to inflict as much damage on us before they go. 15 months to go.
Thank God we have a right to a referendum on this because it shows how bad the Greens are in setting budgets. They spend more time on penalising us. The bin men, the road policy, the support for the travellers all waste our money. THEN they say they want more. Thankfully we are nearing the last few months of this administration but they are determined to inflict as much damage on us before they go. 15 months to go. bikerjimbo
  • Score: 83

3:54pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Crystal Ball says...

Is there a referendum for the Goofy Greens to fall on their swords?
Is there a referendum for the Goofy Greens to fall on their swords? Crystal Ball
  • Score: 56

3:55pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Quiterie says...

DAP85 wrote:
Unfortunately the only way we can save services to the most vulnerable in this city in the face of the coalitions savage cuts is to raise council tax, and the Greens are letting the people decide if this is what we want to do. Genuinely involving the community in the big decisions!

I hope Labour support this budget move and show dedication to protecting the most vulnerable in the city. Without this tax increase there is no way the city can have a budget without severe cuts.
It's simply not true that the ONLY way to protect services for the most vulnerable is to raise Council Tax. It's a complete waste of time and money to hold a referendum on this. It's obvious what the answer will be.

The Council is grotesquely inefficient. It wastes money on completely unnecessary consultants. It wastes money on ridiculous disciplinary action (like the golliwog case). It also wastes money on embarrassingly high sickness leave amongst it's employees.

There are other choices that can be made to find this money. Not easy choices admittedly, but choices that other Councils are making nonetheless.
[quote][p][bold]DAP85[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately the only way we can save services to the most vulnerable in this city in the face of the coalitions savage cuts is to raise council tax, and the Greens are letting the people decide if this is what we want to do. Genuinely involving the community in the big decisions! I hope Labour support this budget move and show dedication to protecting the most vulnerable in the city. Without this tax increase there is no way the city can have a budget without severe cuts.[/p][/quote]It's simply not true that the ONLY way to protect services for the most vulnerable is to raise Council Tax. It's a complete waste of time and money to hold a referendum on this. It's obvious what the answer will be. The Council is grotesquely inefficient. It wastes money on completely unnecessary consultants. It wastes money on ridiculous disciplinary action (like the golliwog case). It also wastes money on embarrassingly high sickness leave amongst it's employees. There are other choices that can be made to find this money. Not easy choices admittedly, but choices that other Councils are making nonetheless. Quiterie
  • Score: 58

3:59pm Thu 16 Jan 14

TonyTony says...

greenpaws wrote:
Fight_Back, I simply don't believe you voted Green last time. The Greens have been one of the most successful councils in the country, evening winning awards for some of their work.

Re. your points:
As far as I'm aware, the Brighton Centre has had investment to improve energy efficiency and save money and not for prettying the facade.

Seven Dials cost a lot in part due to changes off the roundabout as well but also due to keep the traffic moving during construction.

As for the Skip Art, I hear that was a free installation.

I look forward to a Green majority next time. We clearly don't want the uncaring attitude of Labour/Tories to dominate the council from 2015.

This city is much better under Greens.
Your real name must be Kitkat
[quote][p][bold]greenpaws[/bold] wrote: Fight_Back, I simply don't believe you voted Green last time. The Greens have been one of the most successful councils in the country, evening winning awards for some of their work. Re. your points: As far as I'm aware, the Brighton Centre has had investment to improve energy efficiency and save money and not for prettying the facade. Seven Dials cost a lot in part due to changes off the roundabout as well but also due to keep the traffic moving during construction. As for the Skip Art, I hear that was a free installation. I look forward to a Green majority next time. We clearly don't want the uncaring attitude of Labour/Tories to dominate the council from 2015. This city is much better under Greens.[/p][/quote]Your real name must be Kitkat TonyTony
  • Score: 51

4:01pm Thu 16 Jan 14

taman says...

David Cameron boasts that the coalition have frozen council tax again this year to help hard up households , i don't recall him saying except for Brighton & hove
David Cameron boasts that the coalition have frozen council tax again this year to help hard up households , i don't recall him saying except for Brighton & hove taman
  • Score: 55

4:01pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Thay Qon U says...

DAP85 wrote:
Unfortunately the only way we can save services to the most vulnerable in this city in the face of the coalitions savage cuts is to raise council tax, and the Greens are letting the people decide if this is what we want to do. Genuinely involving the community in the big decisions!

I hope Labour support this budget move and show dedication to protecting the most vulnerable in the city. Without this tax increase there is no way the city can have a budget without severe cuts.
This is not quite the full picture - BHCC only collects approx. 96.5% (not particularly good compared to similar Unitary Councils) of the Council Tax that gets levied each year i.e 3.5% doesn't get collected each year. BHCC then fail to collect those unpaid Council Tax debts in subsequent years (again not good performance compared to other similar Coucils with similar deprivation etc.) to the extent that there is a debt 'hole' of some £16m (as reported in GThe Argus last year) that remains uncollected.
This means that those that pay their Council Tax are subsidising those that don't pay - in effect you have to pay 103.5% of what should be the Council Tax charge to make up for these non-payers.
If BHCC were to focus more attention on these legacy debts then the "city can have abudget without severe cuts".
It would be interesting to know how muxch attention has been paid by the Grren and/or Opposition Councillors to this (£16m) Council Tax arrears (or uncollected asset) before they consider the proposed increase of 4.75% as an additional burden on those that bdo actually pay their Council Tax.
[quote][p][bold]DAP85[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately the only way we can save services to the most vulnerable in this city in the face of the coalitions savage cuts is to raise council tax, and the Greens are letting the people decide if this is what we want to do. Genuinely involving the community in the big decisions! I hope Labour support this budget move and show dedication to protecting the most vulnerable in the city. Without this tax increase there is no way the city can have a budget without severe cuts.[/p][/quote]This is not quite the full picture - BHCC only collects approx. 96.5% (not particularly good compared to similar Unitary Councils) of the Council Tax that gets levied each year i.e 3.5% doesn't get collected each year. BHCC then fail to collect those unpaid Council Tax debts in subsequent years (again not good performance compared to other similar Coucils with similar deprivation etc.) to the extent that there is a debt 'hole' of some £16m (as reported in GThe Argus last year) that remains uncollected. This means that those that pay their Council Tax are subsidising those that don't pay - in effect you have to pay 103.5% of what should be the Council Tax charge to make up for these non-payers. If BHCC were to focus more attention on these legacy debts then the "city can have abudget without severe cuts". It would be interesting to know how muxch attention has been paid by the Grren and/or Opposition Councillors to this (£16m) Council Tax arrears (or uncollected asset) before they consider the proposed increase of 4.75% as an additional burden on those that bdo actually pay their Council Tax. Thay Qon U
  • Score: 50

4:08pm Thu 16 Jan 14

DC Brighton says...

"The coalition’s cuts mean we cannot deliver the services we were elected to provide..."

Utter rubbish, no other council is fleecing their residents for more. There are two problems here:

1, Essential services are suffering simply because money is being wasted elsewhere. It's called a budget for a reason; make priorities. If that means forgoing a blanket 20mph speed limit or a new roundabout in favour supporting vulnerable citizens then so be. Don't do one and expect everyone to provide more money for the other. I don't think there is a single person in our local council with a shred of interest in simple accounting, let alone the prevailing economic conditions facing its voters.

2, This smacks of a party so desperate to be taken seriously that they are hell bent on doing anything to increase the amount of media coverage they receive. Let's do some things that are perceived as green (20mph, cycle lanes, bus lanes) to increase our media coverage, then when we run out of money we can secure even more column inches by holding a referendum during which we can appear to be supporting the vulnerable people in B&H. It's a win-win. For the Green party only.

I only people see this for the pathetic, cynical, headline-grabbing nonsense that it is. Indeed, I hope this backfires in the spectacular fashion that it deserves to. Then perhaps we can finally get someone in who knows how to run a budget and a council.
"The coalition’s cuts mean we cannot deliver the services we were elected to provide..." Utter rubbish, no other council is fleecing their residents for more. There are two problems here: 1, Essential services are suffering simply because money is being wasted elsewhere. It's called a budget for a reason; make priorities. If that means forgoing a blanket 20mph speed limit or a new roundabout in favour supporting vulnerable citizens then so be. Don't do one and expect everyone to provide more money for the other. I don't think there is a single person in our local council with a shred of interest in simple accounting, let alone the prevailing economic conditions facing its voters. 2, This smacks of a party so desperate to be taken seriously that they are hell bent on doing anything to increase the amount of media coverage they receive. Let's do some things that are perceived as green (20mph, cycle lanes, bus lanes) to increase our media coverage, then when we run out of money we can secure even more column inches by holding a referendum during which we can appear to be supporting the vulnerable people in B&H. It's a win-win. For the Green party only. I only people see this for the pathetic, cynical, headline-grabbing nonsense that it is. Indeed, I hope this backfires in the spectacular fashion that it deserves to. Then perhaps we can finally get someone in who knows how to run a budget and a council. DC Brighton
  • Score: 59

4:12pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Fight_Back says...

Warren Morgan wrote:
It is the basic duty of a council administration to set a budget. The Greens have absolved themselves of that responsibility, and put forward a 4.75% council tax increase that they know will not be supported by opposition parties at Council or by the public in a referendum. We cannot support such a huge increase when people are finding it hard to meet rising bills. Instead they have handed the responsibility of dealing with the cuts to others. They cannot now remain in office playing these political games rather than running the city effectively. I am calling on the Greens to resign and allow a cross-party caretaker administration to run the council till the elections in 400 days. Then the public can decide who runs the city.
Unusually I agree 100% with Cllr Morgan. So far on this thread I've been accused as being a liar by the Greens so it somewhat tells you what sort of people they are.

Warren, when the Labour Candidate knocked at my door at the weekend I suggested that, if Labour and the Conservatives just for once could put their differences aside, they could come together NOW and get rid of the current council. I would then ensure at least one of each of my three votes would go to each party. Time to act, not time to wait 400 days.
[quote][p][bold]Warren Morgan[/bold] wrote: It is the basic duty of a council administration to set a budget. The Greens have absolved themselves of that responsibility, and put forward a 4.75% council tax increase that they know will not be supported by opposition parties at Council or by the public in a referendum. We cannot support such a huge increase when people are finding it hard to meet rising bills. Instead they have handed the responsibility of dealing with the cuts to others. They cannot now remain in office playing these political games rather than running the city effectively. I am calling on the Greens to resign and allow a cross-party caretaker administration to run the council till the elections in 400 days. Then the public can decide who runs the city.[/p][/quote]Unusually I agree 100% with Cllr Morgan. So far on this thread I've been accused as being a liar by the Greens so it somewhat tells you what sort of people they are. Warren, when the Labour Candidate knocked at my door at the weekend I suggested that, if Labour and the Conservatives just for once could put their differences aside, they could come together NOW and get rid of the current council. I would then ensure at least one of each of my three votes would go to each party. Time to act, not time to wait 400 days. Fight_Back
  • Score: 50

4:15pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Michael Inkpin-Leissner says...

What a sharade of the Green cabinet.

My question: If the Green lead council has £230k spare to waste on such a fake attempt of displaying democracy, pretending to use the gained money from a council tax increase for those, who need help, wouldn't it be better to use this money right away, to help homeless to find a place, to support soup kitchens and to help the poorest of the poor.

I am happy that the Labour Group will not support this and I hope the Tory group will help to stop this waste of money on a not necessary referendum.
The Greens are outstanding in wasting public money!
What a sharade of the Green cabinet. My question: If the Green lead council has £230k spare to waste on such a fake attempt of displaying democracy, pretending to use the gained money from a council tax increase for those, who need help, wouldn't it be better to use this money right away, to help homeless to find a place, to support soup kitchens and to help the poorest of the poor. I am happy that the Labour Group will not support this and I hope the Tory group will help to stop this waste of money on a not necessary referendum. The Greens are outstanding in wasting public money! Michael Inkpin-Leissner
  • Score: 54

4:16pm Thu 16 Jan 14

JollyRoger says...

All that money they have taken in parking fines could be reinvested - simples!
All that money they have taken in parking fines could be reinvested - simples! JollyRoger
  • Score: 24

4:22pm Thu 16 Jan 14

brighton bluenose says...

Warren Morgan wrote:
It is the basic duty of a council administration to set a budget. The Greens have absolved themselves of that responsibility, and put forward a 4.75% council tax increase that they know will not be supported by opposition parties at Council or by the public in a referendum. We cannot support such a huge increase when people are finding it hard to meet rising bills. Instead they have handed the responsibility of dealing with the cuts to others. They cannot now remain in office playing these political games rather than running the city effectively. I am calling on the Greens to resign and allow a cross-party caretaker administration to run the council till the elections in 400 days. Then the public can decide who runs the city.
Morgan you are an embarrassment - you and your ilk criticised the Greens last budget for keeping the increase within the 2% threshold required for a referendum!
We are in this state partly due to the gross mismanagement of the countries finances during thirteen years of a Labour controlled government - PFI anyone?!
We are still paying for Labours mistake and will continue to do so for decades to come!!
[quote][p][bold]Warren Morgan[/bold] wrote: It is the basic duty of a council administration to set a budget. The Greens have absolved themselves of that responsibility, and put forward a 4.75% council tax increase that they know will not be supported by opposition parties at Council or by the public in a referendum. We cannot support such a huge increase when people are finding it hard to meet rising bills. Instead they have handed the responsibility of dealing with the cuts to others. They cannot now remain in office playing these political games rather than running the city effectively. I am calling on the Greens to resign and allow a cross-party caretaker administration to run the council till the elections in 400 days. Then the public can decide who runs the city.[/p][/quote]Morgan you are an embarrassment - you and your ilk criticised the Greens last budget for keeping the increase within the 2% threshold required for a referendum! We are in this state partly due to the gross mismanagement of the countries finances during thirteen years of a Labour controlled government - PFI anyone?! We are still paying for Labours mistake and will continue to do so for decades to come!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: 4

4:23pm Thu 16 Jan 14

brighton bluenose says...

Fight_Back wrote:
Warren Morgan wrote:
It is the basic duty of a council administration to set a budget. The Greens have absolved themselves of that responsibility, and put forward a 4.75% council tax increase that they know will not be supported by opposition parties at Council or by the public in a referendum. We cannot support such a huge increase when people are finding it hard to meet rising bills. Instead they have handed the responsibility of dealing with the cuts to others. They cannot now remain in office playing these political games rather than running the city effectively. I am calling on the Greens to resign and allow a cross-party caretaker administration to run the council till the elections in 400 days. Then the public can decide who runs the city.
Unusually I agree 100% with Cllr Morgan. So far on this thread I've been accused as being a liar by the Greens so it somewhat tells you what sort of people they are.

Warren, when the Labour Candidate knocked at my door at the weekend I suggested that, if Labour and the Conservatives just for once could put their differences aside, they could come together NOW and get rid of the current council. I would then ensure at least one of each of my three votes would go to each party. Time to act, not time to wait 400 days.
Ohhhh.........the naivete! Are you 12?!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Warren Morgan[/bold] wrote: It is the basic duty of a council administration to set a budget. The Greens have absolved themselves of that responsibility, and put forward a 4.75% council tax increase that they know will not be supported by opposition parties at Council or by the public in a referendum. We cannot support such a huge increase when people are finding it hard to meet rising bills. Instead they have handed the responsibility of dealing with the cuts to others. They cannot now remain in office playing these political games rather than running the city effectively. I am calling on the Greens to resign and allow a cross-party caretaker administration to run the council till the elections in 400 days. Then the public can decide who runs the city.[/p][/quote]Unusually I agree 100% with Cllr Morgan. So far on this thread I've been accused as being a liar by the Greens so it somewhat tells you what sort of people they are. Warren, when the Labour Candidate knocked at my door at the weekend I suggested that, if Labour and the Conservatives just for once could put their differences aside, they could come together NOW and get rid of the current council. I would then ensure at least one of each of my three votes would go to each party. Time to act, not time to wait 400 days.[/p][/quote]Ohhhh.........the naivete! Are you 12?!!!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -27

4:24pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Fight_Back says...

Clearly Green supporters were given a tip off as to when this announcement was to be made so they could flood the Argus website with Pro-Green statements.
Clearly Green supporters were given a tip off as to when this announcement was to be made so they could flood the Argus website with Pro-Green statements. Fight_Back
  • Score: 56

4:30pm Thu 16 Jan 14

fredflintstone1 says...

Warren Morgan wrote:
It is the basic duty of a council administration to set a budget. The Greens have absolved themselves of that responsibility, and put forward a 4.75% council tax increase that they know will not be supported by opposition parties at Council or by the public in a referendum. We cannot support such a huge increase when people are finding it hard to meet rising bills. Instead they have handed the responsibility of dealing with the cuts to others. They cannot now remain in office playing these political games rather than running the city effectively. I am calling on the Greens to resign and allow a cross-party caretaker administration to run the council till the elections in 400 days. Then the public can decide who runs the city.
Absolutely right on all counts, Warren. Really good to read such a decisive statement, and see a politician who is prepared to take responsibility. Will the Tories now display the same commitment to the future well-being of all the city's residents, and ensure the end of this Green farce?
[quote][p][bold]Warren Morgan[/bold] wrote: It is the basic duty of a council administration to set a budget. The Greens have absolved themselves of that responsibility, and put forward a 4.75% council tax increase that they know will not be supported by opposition parties at Council or by the public in a referendum. We cannot support such a huge increase when people are finding it hard to meet rising bills. Instead they have handed the responsibility of dealing with the cuts to others. They cannot now remain in office playing these political games rather than running the city effectively. I am calling on the Greens to resign and allow a cross-party caretaker administration to run the council till the elections in 400 days. Then the public can decide who runs the city.[/p][/quote]Absolutely right on all counts, Warren. Really good to read such a decisive statement, and see a politician who is prepared to take responsibility. Will the Tories now display the same commitment to the future well-being of all the city's residents, and ensure the end of this Green farce? fredflintstone1
  • Score: 35

4:32pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Joshiman says...

Stop wasting more.The answer will be an emphatic NO.Unless of course they target students only who dont pay Council tax.
Stop wasting more.The answer will be an emphatic NO.Unless of course they target students only who dont pay Council tax. Joshiman
  • Score: 48

4:33pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Fight_Back says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
Warren Morgan wrote:
It is the basic duty of a council administration to set a budget. The Greens have absolved themselves of that responsibility, and put forward a 4.75% council tax increase that they know will not be supported by opposition parties at Council or by the public in a referendum. We cannot support such a huge increase when people are finding it hard to meet rising bills. Instead they have handed the responsibility of dealing with the cuts to others. They cannot now remain in office playing these political games rather than running the city effectively. I am calling on the Greens to resign and allow a cross-party caretaker administration to run the council till the elections in 400 days. Then the public can decide who runs the city.
Unusually I agree 100% with Cllr Morgan. So far on this thread I've been accused as being a liar by the Greens so it somewhat tells you what sort of people they are.

Warren, when the Labour Candidate knocked at my door at the weekend I suggested that, if Labour and the Conservatives just for once could put their differences aside, they could come together NOW and get rid of the current council. I would then ensure at least one of each of my three votes would go to each party. Time to act, not time to wait 400 days.
Ohhhh.........the naivete! Are you 12?!!!!
Carry on being insulting - I've now been accused of being a liar and a 12 year old - always nice to see the nasty side of Green Party. Adult debate is obviously beyond them.
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Warren Morgan[/bold] wrote: It is the basic duty of a council administration to set a budget. The Greens have absolved themselves of that responsibility, and put forward a 4.75% council tax increase that they know will not be supported by opposition parties at Council or by the public in a referendum. We cannot support such a huge increase when people are finding it hard to meet rising bills. Instead they have handed the responsibility of dealing with the cuts to others. They cannot now remain in office playing these political games rather than running the city effectively. I am calling on the Greens to resign and allow a cross-party caretaker administration to run the council till the elections in 400 days. Then the public can decide who runs the city.[/p][/quote]Unusually I agree 100% with Cllr Morgan. So far on this thread I've been accused as being a liar by the Greens so it somewhat tells you what sort of people they are. Warren, when the Labour Candidate knocked at my door at the weekend I suggested that, if Labour and the Conservatives just for once could put their differences aside, they could come together NOW and get rid of the current council. I would then ensure at least one of each of my three votes would go to each party. Time to act, not time to wait 400 days.[/p][/quote]Ohhhh.........the naivete! Are you 12?!!!![/p][/quote]Carry on being insulting - I've now been accused of being a liar and a 12 year old - always nice to see the nasty side of Green Party. Adult debate is obviously beyond them. Fight_Back
  • Score: 42

4:33pm Thu 16 Jan 14

JHunty says...

Crystal Ball wrote:
Is there a referendum for the Goofy Greens to fall on their swords?
Well it seems that this exactly what they have done. How can they continue in power if their "brave initiative" to spend more of our money is rejected by Brighton? This smacks of desperation, perhaps they are looking to give themselves an excuse to resign to save themselves the humiliation of being voted out at the next election. Remember Ben Duncan, safe in his job working for a Green MEP, would like to see Brighton being used as a battle ground in a fight against central government, brought about by a refusal to set a budget. How brave of him to put us in the front line whilst he rakes in a nice fat salary creamed off the public by the EU.
[quote][p][bold]Crystal Ball[/bold] wrote: Is there a referendum for the Goofy Greens to fall on their swords?[/p][/quote]Well it seems that this exactly what they have done. How can they continue in power if their "brave initiative" to spend more of our money is rejected by Brighton? This smacks of desperation, perhaps they are looking to give themselves an excuse to resign to save themselves the humiliation of being voted out at the next election. Remember Ben Duncan, safe in his job working for a Green MEP, would like to see Brighton being used as a battle ground in a fight against central government, brought about by a refusal to set a budget. How brave of him to put us in the front line whilst he rakes in a nice fat salary creamed off the public by the EU. JHunty
  • Score: 48

4:39pm Thu 16 Jan 14

deanaprior says...

If the Torys and Labour just come out now and say they will vote against the referendum then that ends it. But they will have to get off the fence they've been sitting on for the past few years.
If the Torys and Labour just come out now and say they will vote against the referendum then that ends it. But they will have to get off the fence they've been sitting on for the past few years. deanaprior
  • Score: 38

4:39pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Tring says...

DC Brighton wrote:
"The coalition’s cuts mean we cannot deliver the services we were elected to provide..."

Utter rubbish, no other council is fleecing their residents for more. There are two problems here:

1, Essential services are suffering simply because money is being wasted elsewhere. It's called a budget for a reason; make priorities. If that means forgoing a blanket 20mph speed limit or a new roundabout in favour supporting vulnerable citizens then so be. Don't do one and expect everyone to provide more money for the other. I don't think there is a single person in our local council with a shred of interest in simple accounting, let alone the prevailing economic conditions facing its voters.

2, This smacks of a party so desperate to be taken seriously that they are hell bent on doing anything to increase the amount of media coverage they receive. Let's do some things that are perceived as green (20mph, cycle lanes, bus lanes) to increase our media coverage, then when we run out of money we can secure even more column inches by holding a referendum during which we can appear to be supporting the vulnerable people in B&H. It's a win-win. For the Green party only.

I only people see this for the pathetic, cynical, headline-grabbing nonsense that it is. Indeed, I hope this backfires in the spectacular fashion that it deserves to. Then perhaps we can finally get someone in who knows how to run a budget and a council.
Tory-run Kent County council are putting council tax up by 1.99% so it's not true to say that B+H is the only council to suggest a rise. This year is the one where the central govt cuts are really biting deepest, so many other councils will do so, and it is likely that some others will be over 2% and will trigger a referendum.

Regarding some other posts, NB that the money for the travellers' site was signed off by the last, Tory, administration. The same administration that appointed 4 strategic directors at £150k per annum each - and 3 of whom have gone under the Greens.

Regarding the issues around council tax non-collection and staff absenteeism, is there any evidence that these problems have worsened under the Green administration? Genuine question - I just wonder if there's not a tendancy to blame Kitcat and co for problems that go much deeper, and much further back.
[quote][p][bold]DC Brighton[/bold] wrote: "The coalition’s cuts mean we cannot deliver the services we were elected to provide..." Utter rubbish, no other council is fleecing their residents for more. There are two problems here: 1, Essential services are suffering simply because money is being wasted elsewhere. It's called a budget for a reason; make priorities. If that means forgoing a blanket 20mph speed limit or a new roundabout in favour supporting vulnerable citizens then so be. Don't do one and expect everyone to provide more money for the other. I don't think there is a single person in our local council with a shred of interest in simple accounting, let alone the prevailing economic conditions facing its voters. 2, This smacks of a party so desperate to be taken seriously that they are hell bent on doing anything to increase the amount of media coverage they receive. Let's do some things that are perceived as green (20mph, cycle lanes, bus lanes) to increase our media coverage, then when we run out of money we can secure even more column inches by holding a referendum during which we can appear to be supporting the vulnerable people in B&H. It's a win-win. For the Green party only. I only people see this for the pathetic, cynical, headline-grabbing nonsense that it is. Indeed, I hope this backfires in the spectacular fashion that it deserves to. Then perhaps we can finally get someone in who knows how to run a budget and a council.[/p][/quote]Tory-run Kent County council are putting council tax up by 1.99% so it's not true to say that B+H is the only council to suggest a rise. This year is the one where the central govt cuts are really biting deepest, so many other councils will do so, and it is likely that some others will be over 2% and will trigger a referendum. Regarding some other posts, NB that the money for the travellers' site was signed off by the last, Tory, administration. The same administration that appointed 4 strategic directors at £150k per annum each - and 3 of whom have gone under the Greens. Regarding the issues around council tax non-collection and staff absenteeism, is there any evidence that these problems have worsened under the Green administration? Genuine question - I just wonder if there's not a tendancy to blame Kitcat and co for problems that go much deeper, and much further back. Tring
  • Score: -29

4:40pm Thu 16 Jan 14

SirLancelot says...

Whats with the stubble and the wife-beater? Looks like he need to budget for personal maintenance.
Whats with the stubble and the wife-beater? Looks like he need to budget for personal maintenance. SirLancelot
  • Score: 11

4:42pm Thu 16 Jan 14

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! says...

Cyril Bolleaux wrote:
Clearly the Greens have cranked up their PR machine to get people like Greenpaws to bombard the Argus with propaganda.

How about getting rid of the paid political assistants employed by the Council?
How about ignoring politically inspired Golliwog complaints?
How about cutting down on recording useless PC data on sexuality?
How about reducing taxpayer funded Trade Union council employees?

Most private firms have had to cut back due to the vicious price increases imposed by the Council. The Green anti people policies have made this the most loathed Council in living memory. It is about time the Council cut back rather than indulging in gesture politics.
Perhaps funds could be used to investigate those people believed to be abusing others.
[quote][p][bold]Cyril Bolleaux[/bold] wrote: Clearly the Greens have cranked up their PR machine to get people like Greenpaws to bombard the Argus with propaganda. How about getting rid of the paid political assistants employed by the Council? How about ignoring politically inspired Golliwog complaints? How about cutting down on recording useless PC data on sexuality? How about reducing taxpayer funded Trade Union council employees? Most private firms have had to cut back due to the vicious price increases imposed by the Council. The Green anti people policies have made this the most loathed Council in living memory. It is about time the Council cut back rather than indulging in gesture politics.[/p][/quote]Perhaps funds could be used to investigate those people believed to be abusing others. I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars!
  • Score: 8

4:45pm Thu 16 Jan 14

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
Warren Morgan wrote:
It is the basic duty of a council administration to set a budget. The Greens have absolved themselves of that responsibility, and put forward a 4.75% council tax increase that they know will not be supported by opposition parties at Council or by the public in a referendum. We cannot support such a huge increase when people are finding it hard to meet rising bills. Instead they have handed the responsibility of dealing with the cuts to others. They cannot now remain in office playing these political games rather than running the city effectively. I am calling on the Greens to resign and allow a cross-party caretaker administration to run the council till the elections in 400 days. Then the public can decide who runs the city.
Morgan you are an embarrassment - you and your ilk criticised the Greens last budget for keeping the increase within the 2% threshold required for a referendum!
We are in this state partly due to the gross mismanagement of the countries finances during thirteen years of a Labour controlled government - PFI anyone?!
We are still paying for Labours mistake and will continue to do so for decades to come!!
It is you that is ridiculous. HJ said your comments are undermining the good spin of the Greens. Please stop posting.
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Warren Morgan[/bold] wrote: It is the basic duty of a council administration to set a budget. The Greens have absolved themselves of that responsibility, and put forward a 4.75% council tax increase that they know will not be supported by opposition parties at Council or by the public in a referendum. We cannot support such a huge increase when people are finding it hard to meet rising bills. Instead they have handed the responsibility of dealing with the cuts to others. They cannot now remain in office playing these political games rather than running the city effectively. I am calling on the Greens to resign and allow a cross-party caretaker administration to run the council till the elections in 400 days. Then the public can decide who runs the city.[/p][/quote]Morgan you are an embarrassment - you and your ilk criticised the Greens last budget for keeping the increase within the 2% threshold required for a referendum! We are in this state partly due to the gross mismanagement of the countries finances during thirteen years of a Labour controlled government - PFI anyone?! We are still paying for Labours mistake and will continue to do so for decades to come!![/p][/quote]It is you that is ridiculous. HJ said your comments are undermining the good spin of the Greens. Please stop posting. I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars!
  • Score: 12

4:48pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Fairfax Aches says...

The freezing of real rises in council tax is doing nothing but diminishing the quality of services offered.
Brighton is a well run city, with a sense of environmental responsibility that is so neglected in other places.
Yes it may cost a bit more to operate in an ethical manner, its a small price to save the environment. This is Brighton after all, pay up or leave if you don't like it!.
The freezing of real rises in council tax is doing nothing but diminishing the quality of services offered. Brighton is a well run city, with a sense of environmental responsibility that is so neglected in other places. Yes it may cost a bit more to operate in an ethical manner, its a small price to save the environment. This is Brighton after all, pay up or leave if you don't like it!. Fairfax Aches
  • Score: -51

4:50pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Michael Inkpin-Leissner says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
Warren Morgan wrote:
It is the basic duty of a council administration to set a budget. The Greens have absolved themselves of that responsibility, and put forward a 4.75% council tax increase that they know will not be supported by opposition parties at Council or by the public in a referendum. We cannot support such a huge increase when people are finding it hard to meet rising bills. Instead they have handed the responsibility of dealing with the cuts to others. They cannot now remain in office playing these political games rather than running the city effectively. I am calling on the Greens to resign and allow a cross-party caretaker administration to run the council till the elections in 400 days. Then the public can decide who runs the city.
Morgan you are an embarrassment - you and your ilk criticised the Greens last budget for keeping the increase within the 2% threshold required for a referendum!
We are in this state partly due to the gross mismanagement of the countries finances during thirteen years of a Labour controlled government - PFI anyone?!
We are still paying for Labours mistake and will continue to do so for decades to come!!
Nice propaganda post. May I tell you that even in Germany we know that the financial crises of the last year was not caused by a government, but by greedy bank businesses. Seems like someone is reading the Daily Fail every day.

The taxpayers in the UK are paying for the mistakes of those greedy bankers, who are under special protection by Cameron and Osbourne. So stop you misinformed propaganda talk to misguide people @brighton bluenose.
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Warren Morgan[/bold] wrote: It is the basic duty of a council administration to set a budget. The Greens have absolved themselves of that responsibility, and put forward a 4.75% council tax increase that they know will not be supported by opposition parties at Council or by the public in a referendum. We cannot support such a huge increase when people are finding it hard to meet rising bills. Instead they have handed the responsibility of dealing with the cuts to others. They cannot now remain in office playing these political games rather than running the city effectively. I am calling on the Greens to resign and allow a cross-party caretaker administration to run the council till the elections in 400 days. Then the public can decide who runs the city.[/p][/quote]Morgan you are an embarrassment - you and your ilk criticised the Greens last budget for keeping the increase within the 2% threshold required for a referendum! We are in this state partly due to the gross mismanagement of the countries finances during thirteen years of a Labour controlled government - PFI anyone?! We are still paying for Labours mistake and will continue to do so for decades to come!![/p][/quote]Nice propaganda post. May I tell you that even in Germany we know that the financial crises of the last year was not caused by a government, but by greedy bank businesses. Seems like someone is reading the Daily Fail every day. The taxpayers in the UK are paying for the mistakes of those greedy bankers, who are under special protection by Cameron and Osbourne. So stop you misinformed propaganda talk to misguide people @brighton bluenose. Michael Inkpin-Leissner
  • Score: -26

4:53pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Cyril Bolleaux says...

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! wrote:
Cyril Bolleaux wrote: Clearly the Greens have cranked up their PR machine to get people like Greenpaws to bombard the Argus with propaganda. How about getting rid of the paid political assistants employed by the Council? How about ignoring politically inspired Golliwog complaints? How about cutting down on recording useless PC data on sexuality? How about reducing taxpayer funded Trade Union council employees? Most private firms have had to cut back due to the vicious price increases imposed by the Council. The Green anti people policies have made this the most loathed Council in living memory. It is about time the Council cut back rather than indulging in gesture politics.
Perhaps funds could be used to investigate those people believed to be abusing others.
I see you still have your prurient fascination with child sex abuse - get help you pervert.
[quote][p][bold]I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyril Bolleaux[/bold] wrote: Clearly the Greens have cranked up their PR machine to get people like Greenpaws to bombard the Argus with propaganda. How about getting rid of the paid political assistants employed by the Council? How about ignoring politically inspired Golliwog complaints? How about cutting down on recording useless PC data on sexuality? How about reducing taxpayer funded Trade Union council employees? Most private firms have had to cut back due to the vicious price increases imposed by the Council. The Green anti people policies have made this the most loathed Council in living memory. It is about time the Council cut back rather than indulging in gesture politics.[/p][/quote]Perhaps funds could be used to investigate those people believed to be abusing others.[/p][/quote]I see you still have your prurient fascination with child sex abuse - get help you pervert. Cyril Bolleaux
  • Score: -5

4:54pm Thu 16 Jan 14

fredflintstone1 says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
Warren Morgan wrote:
It is the basic duty of a council administration to set a budget. The Greens have absolved themselves of that responsibility, and put forward a 4.75% council tax increase that they know will not be supported by opposition parties at Council or by the public in a referendum. We cannot support such a huge increase when people are finding it hard to meet rising bills. Instead they have handed the responsibility of dealing with the cuts to others. They cannot now remain in office playing these political games rather than running the city effectively. I am calling on the Greens to resign and allow a cross-party caretaker administration to run the council till the elections in 400 days. Then the public can decide who runs the city.
Morgan you are an embarrassment - you and your ilk criticised the Greens last budget for keeping the increase within the 2% threshold required for a referendum!
We are in this state partly due to the gross mismanagement of the countries finances during thirteen years of a Labour controlled government - PFI anyone?!
We are still paying for Labours mistake and will continue to do so for decades to come!!
Why don't you then accept that many people are struggling to pay the current level of council tax? There's been no real evident attempt to prioritise key areas, and rein back expenditure elsewhere. Especially when your Green brethern have squandered so much money on travellers, sheep, golliwog hearings etc......

A council that wants to hire 700 sheep at £2 a week? Wastes probably £250,000 on the vanity biosphere bid? Overspends its traveller budget by another £200,000? And what about the current police investigation into £20 million of council expenditure?

Hardly inspires confidence in the Green's financial management skills, does it? Oh - I forget the £15 million for the i360 viewing tower - money still on the table even though private investors have pulled out! And that's before we start considering whether key services such as refuse and recycling collections are being run properly in any case.

The Greens represent a cost that this city simply can no longer afford.
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Warren Morgan[/bold] wrote: It is the basic duty of a council administration to set a budget. The Greens have absolved themselves of that responsibility, and put forward a 4.75% council tax increase that they know will not be supported by opposition parties at Council or by the public in a referendum. We cannot support such a huge increase when people are finding it hard to meet rising bills. Instead they have handed the responsibility of dealing with the cuts to others. They cannot now remain in office playing these political games rather than running the city effectively. I am calling on the Greens to resign and allow a cross-party caretaker administration to run the council till the elections in 400 days. Then the public can decide who runs the city.[/p][/quote]Morgan you are an embarrassment - you and your ilk criticised the Greens last budget for keeping the increase within the 2% threshold required for a referendum! We are in this state partly due to the gross mismanagement of the countries finances during thirteen years of a Labour controlled government - PFI anyone?! We are still paying for Labours mistake and will continue to do so for decades to come!![/p][/quote]Why don't you then accept that many people are struggling to pay the current level of council tax? There's been no real evident attempt to prioritise key areas, and rein back expenditure elsewhere. Especially when your Green brethern have squandered so much money on travellers, sheep, golliwog hearings etc...... A council that wants to hire 700 sheep at £2 a week? Wastes probably £250,000 on the vanity biosphere bid? Overspends its traveller budget by another £200,000? And what about the current police investigation into £20 million of council expenditure? Hardly inspires confidence in the Green's financial management skills, does it? Oh - I forget the £15 million for the i360 viewing tower - money still on the table even though private investors have pulled out! And that's before we start considering whether key services such as refuse and recycling collections are being run properly in any case. The Greens represent a cost that this city simply can no longer afford. fredflintstone1
  • Score: 47

4:55pm Thu 16 Jan 14

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! says...

Cyril Bolleaux wrote:
I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! wrote:
Cyril Bolleaux wrote: Clearly the Greens have cranked up their PR machine to get people like Greenpaws to bombard the Argus with propaganda. How about getting rid of the paid political assistants employed by the Council? How about ignoring politically inspired Golliwog complaints? How about cutting down on recording useless PC data on sexuality? How about reducing taxpayer funded Trade Union council employees? Most private firms have had to cut back due to the vicious price increases imposed by the Council. The Green anti people policies have made this the most loathed Council in living memory. It is about time the Council cut back rather than indulging in gesture politics.
Perhaps funds could be used to investigate those people believed to be abusing others.
I see you still have your prurient fascination with child sex abuse - get help you pervert.
As they say...if the cap fits wear it.

i suspect before too long your truths will out and you will be wearing yours!
[quote][p][bold]Cyril Bolleaux[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyril Bolleaux[/bold] wrote: Clearly the Greens have cranked up their PR machine to get people like Greenpaws to bombard the Argus with propaganda. How about getting rid of the paid political assistants employed by the Council? How about ignoring politically inspired Golliwog complaints? How about cutting down on recording useless PC data on sexuality? How about reducing taxpayer funded Trade Union council employees? Most private firms have had to cut back due to the vicious price increases imposed by the Council. The Green anti people policies have made this the most loathed Council in living memory. It is about time the Council cut back rather than indulging in gesture politics.[/p][/quote]Perhaps funds could be used to investigate those people believed to be abusing others.[/p][/quote]I see you still have your prurient fascination with child sex abuse - get help you pervert.[/p][/quote]As they say...if the cap fits wear it. i suspect before too long your truths will out and you will be wearing yours! I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars!
  • Score: 2

4:59pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Plantpot says...

Unusually I agree with Mr. Morgan.

I'm not as confident as other posters that the answer will be a no. There are plenty of people in B&H for whom a rise will present no problem as they are either exempt or pay little towards council tax anyway. Students are a classic example - they all get a vote in the referendum, but don't pay council tax. There are discounts for single people, the disabled, and a variety of others who fall into certain categories.

There are also lots of very different thinking people in B&H, hence why the Greens have a council here. Everywhere else in the UK they get tiny numbers of votes, 1% of the popular vote at each of the last two elections, yet we have a Green MP and a Green council. These lefties WILL come out to try and stick it to the rest of us. If you disapprove of council tax increases, you have to get out and vote.

I would prefer to see the waste in local government and the public sector properly addressed before I shell out any more of my increasingly hard earned on benefits and services.

A very good point about collecting council tax made earlier. Why should anyone have avoided paying?
Unusually I agree with Mr. Morgan. I'm not as confident as other posters that the answer will be a no. There are plenty of people in B&H for whom a rise will present no problem as they are either exempt or pay little towards council tax anyway. Students are a classic example - they all get a vote in the referendum, but don't pay council tax. There are discounts for single people, the disabled, and a variety of others who fall into certain categories. There are also lots of very different thinking people in B&H, hence why the Greens have a council here. Everywhere else in the UK they get tiny numbers of votes, 1% of the popular vote at each of the last two elections, yet we have a Green MP and a Green council. These lefties WILL come out to try and stick it to the rest of us. If you disapprove of council tax increases, you have to get out and vote. I would prefer to see the waste in local government and the public sector properly addressed before I shell out any more of my increasingly hard earned on benefits and services. A very good point about collecting council tax made earlier. Why should anyone have avoided paying? Plantpot
  • Score: 39

5:01pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Fight_Back says...

Fairfax Aches wrote:
The freezing of real rises in council tax is doing nothing but diminishing the quality of services offered.
Brighton is a well run city, with a sense of environmental responsibility that is so neglected in other places.
Yes it may cost a bit more to operate in an ethical manner, its a small price to save the environment. This is Brighton after all, pay up or leave if you don't like it!.
What about those that can't afford to do either ? Ah yes, the Greens don't care about them !
[quote][p][bold]Fairfax Aches[/bold] wrote: The freezing of real rises in council tax is doing nothing but diminishing the quality of services offered. Brighton is a well run city, with a sense of environmental responsibility that is so neglected in other places. Yes it may cost a bit more to operate in an ethical manner, its a small price to save the environment. This is Brighton after all, pay up or leave if you don't like it!.[/p][/quote]What about those that can't afford to do either ? Ah yes, the Greens don't care about them ! Fight_Back
  • Score: 35

5:04pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Brighton1000 says...

At last, some GOOD news for all to read!!! Merry January to you all :)

http://www.brightona
ndhovenews.org/2014/
01/16/labour-tables-
formal-vote-of-no-co
nfidence-in-brighton
-and-hoves-ruling-gr
eens/26722?utm_sourc
e=twitterfeed&utm_me
dium=twitter
At last, some GOOD news for all to read!!! Merry January to you all :) http://www.brightona ndhovenews.org/2014/ 01/16/labour-tables- formal-vote-of-no-co nfidence-in-brighton -and-hoves-ruling-gr eens/26722?utm_sourc e=twitterfeed&utm_me dium=twitter Brighton1000
  • Score: 15

5:07pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Plantpot says...

Michael Inkpin-Leissner wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
Warren Morgan wrote:
It is the basic duty of a council administration to set a budget. The Greens have absolved themselves of that responsibility, and put forward a 4.75% council tax increase that they know will not be supported by opposition parties at Council or by the public in a referendum. We cannot support such a huge increase when people are finding it hard to meet rising bills. Instead they have handed the responsibility of dealing with the cuts to others. They cannot now remain in office playing these political games rather than running the city effectively. I am calling on the Greens to resign and allow a cross-party caretaker administration to run the council till the elections in 400 days. Then the public can decide who runs the city.
Morgan you are an embarrassment - you and your ilk criticised the Greens last budget for keeping the increase within the 2% threshold required for a referendum!
We are in this state partly due to the gross mismanagement of the countries finances during thirteen years of a Labour controlled government - PFI anyone?!
We are still paying for Labours mistake and will continue to do so for decades to come!!
Nice propaganda post. May I tell you that even in Germany we know that the financial crises of the last year was not caused by a government, but by greedy bank businesses. Seems like someone is reading the Daily Fail every day.

The taxpayers in the UK are paying for the mistakes of those greedy bankers, who are under special protection by Cameron and Osbourne. So stop you misinformed propaganda talk to misguide people @brighton bluenose.
Banking is society. You may not like it, but it's a fact, and if you value the standard of living of yourself and everyone else in society you can't let the banks go down.. You may want to ask why regulation under the last Labour government failed so spectacularly?

It is silly to tar all bankers with the same brush. Like many non-banking businesses and individuals, they pushed the envelope to the limit. Do you walk past a bank branch and blame the staff inside for the recession?

I do notice that the lefties never mention cracking down on the black economy or benefit fraud though - that could do with some attention.

At some point a recession was going to hit big time because the boom was based on credit. And at some point, you run out of credit and have to pay it back. Pretty obvious really.
[quote][p][bold]Michael Inkpin-Leissner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Warren Morgan[/bold] wrote: It is the basic duty of a council administration to set a budget. The Greens have absolved themselves of that responsibility, and put forward a 4.75% council tax increase that they know will not be supported by opposition parties at Council or by the public in a referendum. We cannot support such a huge increase when people are finding it hard to meet rising bills. Instead they have handed the responsibility of dealing with the cuts to others. They cannot now remain in office playing these political games rather than running the city effectively. I am calling on the Greens to resign and allow a cross-party caretaker administration to run the council till the elections in 400 days. Then the public can decide who runs the city.[/p][/quote]Morgan you are an embarrassment - you and your ilk criticised the Greens last budget for keeping the increase within the 2% threshold required for a referendum! We are in this state partly due to the gross mismanagement of the countries finances during thirteen years of a Labour controlled government - PFI anyone?! We are still paying for Labours mistake and will continue to do so for decades to come!![/p][/quote]Nice propaganda post. May I tell you that even in Germany we know that the financial crises of the last year was not caused by a government, but by greedy bank businesses. Seems like someone is reading the Daily Fail every day. The taxpayers in the UK are paying for the mistakes of those greedy bankers, who are under special protection by Cameron and Osbourne. So stop you misinformed propaganda talk to misguide people @brighton bluenose.[/p][/quote]Banking is society. You may not like it, but it's a fact, and if you value the standard of living of yourself and everyone else in society you can't let the banks go down.. You may want to ask why regulation under the last Labour government failed so spectacularly? It is silly to tar all bankers with the same brush. Like many non-banking businesses and individuals, they pushed the envelope to the limit. Do you walk past a bank branch and blame the staff inside for the recession? I do notice that the lefties never mention cracking down on the black economy or benefit fraud though - that could do with some attention. At some point a recession was going to hit big time because the boom was based on credit. And at some point, you run out of credit and have to pay it back. Pretty obvious really. Plantpot
  • Score: 14

5:08pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Brighton Living says...

hahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
aa..... nothing new and same old crap!
hahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aa..... nothing new and same old crap! Brighton Living
  • Score: 4

5:12pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Plantpot says...

Fight_Back wrote:
Fairfax Aches wrote:
The freezing of real rises in council tax is doing nothing but diminishing the quality of services offered.
Brighton is a well run city, with a sense of environmental responsibility that is so neglected in other places.
Yes it may cost a bit more to operate in an ethical manner, its a small price to save the environment. This is Brighton after all, pay up or leave if you don't like it!.
What about those that can't afford to do either ? Ah yes, the Greens don't care about them !
http://www.theargus.
co.uk/news/10524575.
Is_the_Green_dream_t
urning_sour__Recycli
ng_rates_drop_in_Bri
ghton_and_Hove/

Er, what sense of environmental responsibility? Don't forget the deliberate effort to gridlock traffic.
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fairfax Aches[/bold] wrote: The freezing of real rises in council tax is doing nothing but diminishing the quality of services offered. Brighton is a well run city, with a sense of environmental responsibility that is so neglected in other places. Yes it may cost a bit more to operate in an ethical manner, its a small price to save the environment. This is Brighton after all, pay up or leave if you don't like it!.[/p][/quote]What about those that can't afford to do either ? Ah yes, the Greens don't care about them ![/p][/quote]http://www.theargus. co.uk/news/10524575. Is_the_Green_dream_t urning_sour__Recycli ng_rates_drop_in_Bri ghton_and_Hove/ Er, what sense of environmental responsibility? Don't forget the deliberate effort to gridlock traffic. Plantpot
  • Score: 25

5:17pm Thu 16 Jan 14

the red head says...

Brighton1000 wrote:
At last, some GOOD news for all to read!!! Merry January to you all :)

http://www.brightona

ndhovenews.org/2014/

01/16/labour-tables-

formal-vote-of-no-co

nfidence-in-brighton

-and-hoves-ruling-gr

eens/26722?utm_sourc

e=twitterfeed&ut
m_me
dium=twitter
Thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you. Now please, please Tories, join forces and let's end this now. Brilliant!
[quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: At last, some GOOD news for all to read!!! Merry January to you all :) http://www.brightona ndhovenews.org/2014/ 01/16/labour-tables- formal-vote-of-no-co nfidence-in-brighton -and-hoves-ruling-gr eens/26722?utm_sourc e=twitterfeed&ut m_me dium=twitter[/p][/quote]Thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you. Now please, please Tories, join forces and let's end this now. Brilliant! the red head
  • Score: 29

5:37pm Thu 16 Jan 14

In the sticks says...

mustaphaLeeko wrote:
mustaphaLeeko wrote:
I have NO PROBLEM with them holding a referendum,
HOWEVER, students who pay NO COUNCIL TAX AT AL,
should not be allowed a say.
sp. ALL not AL.
As it goes, MustaphaLeeko, it is "et al.".
Short for either 'et alia' , 'et alii', or 'et aliae'. the 'al.' abbreviating the need for a specific gender of the group of people one is referring to.
[quote][p][bold]mustaphaLeeko[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mustaphaLeeko[/bold] wrote: I have NO PROBLEM with them holding a referendum, HOWEVER, students who pay NO COUNCIL TAX AT AL, should not be allowed a say.[/p][/quote]sp. ALL not AL.[/p][/quote]As it goes, MustaphaLeeko, it is "et al.". Short for either 'et alia' , 'et alii', or 'et aliae'. the 'al.' abbreviating the need for a specific gender of the group of people one is referring to. In the sticks
  • Score: -7

5:38pm Thu 16 Jan 14

In the sticks says...

Whoops. My bad. Sorry MustaphaLeeko.
Whoops. My bad. Sorry MustaphaLeeko. In the sticks
  • Score: 9

5:48pm Thu 16 Jan 14

NickBtn says...

The Greens have wasted millions on vanity projects - often making life worse for residents. But they want more. And also nearly a quarter of a million for a referendum

What happens when the greens lose this referendum? If they can't set a budget which the electorate agree with then they should resign. Will they?

In that case, spending quarter a million to get rid of the greens a year early will be money well spent. We will save many times this as vanity projects get cancelled

So bring on the referendum. And the case for the greens to go early
The Greens have wasted millions on vanity projects - often making life worse for residents. But they want more. And also nearly a quarter of a million for a referendum What happens when the greens lose this referendum? If they can't set a budget which the electorate agree with then they should resign. Will they? In that case, spending quarter a million to get rid of the greens a year early will be money well spent. We will save many times this as vanity projects get cancelled So bring on the referendum. And the case for the greens to go early NickBtn
  • Score: 31

5:48pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Tim Ridgway says...

Hi all,

Just to clarify a couple of points.

The cost of the referendum would be £230,000, not the £100,000 as reported elsewhere and initially on this website. On any other day it would be £350,000 but by holding on the same day as the European elections the council believes it will save £120,000.

Also the figure of the rise for a band D property is £5.97 a month. Thanks to those who corrected this.

Apologies for the oversight but these things do happen in the rush to get things online as soon as possible.

Tim
Hi all, Just to clarify a couple of points. The cost of the referendum would be £230,000, not the £100,000 as reported elsewhere and initially on this website. On any other day it would be £350,000 but by holding on the same day as the European elections the council believes it will save £120,000. Also the figure of the rise for a band D property is £5.97 a month. Thanks to those who corrected this. Apologies for the oversight but these things do happen in the rush to get things online as soon as possible. Tim Tim Ridgway
  • Score: 4

5:51pm Thu 16 Jan 14

PorkBoat says...

greenpaws wrote:
Fight_Back, I simply don't believe you voted Green last time. The Greens have been one of the most successful councils in the country, evening winning awards for some of their work.

Re. your points:
As far as I'm aware, the Brighton Centre has had investment to improve energy efficiency and save money and not for prettying the facade.

Seven Dials cost a lot in part due to changes off the roundabout as well but also due to keep the traffic moving during construction.

As for the Skip Art, I hear that was a free installation.

I look forward to a Green majority next time. We clearly don't want the uncaring attitude of Labour/Tories to dominate the council from 2015.

This city is much better under Greens.
I love satire! Nice one, made my day!
[quote][p][bold]greenpaws[/bold] wrote: Fight_Back, I simply don't believe you voted Green last time. The Greens have been one of the most successful councils in the country, evening winning awards for some of their work. Re. your points: As far as I'm aware, the Brighton Centre has had investment to improve energy efficiency and save money and not for prettying the facade. Seven Dials cost a lot in part due to changes off the roundabout as well but also due to keep the traffic moving during construction. As for the Skip Art, I hear that was a free installation. I look forward to a Green majority next time. We clearly don't want the uncaring attitude of Labour/Tories to dominate the council from 2015. This city is much better under Greens.[/p][/quote]I love satire! Nice one, made my day! PorkBoat
  • Score: 16

6:00pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Tring says...

the red head wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
At last, some GOOD news for all to read!!! Merry January to you all :)

http://www.brightona


ndhovenews.org/2014/


01/16/labour-tables-


formal-vote-of-no-co


nfidence-in-brighton


-and-hoves-ruling-gr


eens/26722?utm_sourc


e=twitterfeed&ut

m_me
dium=twitter
Thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you. Now please, please Tories, join forces and let's end this now. Brilliant!
So who is to lead this new administration? Will the Tories, with 18 seats, defer to Labour, with 14? Very doubtful.

So will Warren Morgan play Clegg to Geoffrey Theobald's Cameron? What is this going to do to his (and Labour's) long-term prospects?
[quote][p][bold]the red head[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: At last, some GOOD news for all to read!!! Merry January to you all :) http://www.brightona ndhovenews.org/2014/ 01/16/labour-tables- formal-vote-of-no-co nfidence-in-brighton -and-hoves-ruling-gr eens/26722?utm_sourc e=twitterfeed&ut m_me dium=twitter[/p][/quote]Thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you. Now please, please Tories, join forces and let's end this now. Brilliant![/p][/quote]So who is to lead this new administration? Will the Tories, with 18 seats, defer to Labour, with 14? Very doubtful. So will Warren Morgan play Clegg to Geoffrey Theobald's Cameron? What is this going to do to his (and Labour's) long-term prospects? Tring
  • Score: 2

6:04pm Thu 16 Jan 14

the red head says...

Tring wrote:
the red head wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
At last, some GOOD news for all to read!!! Merry January to you all :)

http://www.brightona



ndhovenews.org/2014/



01/16/labour-tables-



formal-vote-of-no-co



nfidence-in-brighton



-and-hoves-ruling-gr



eens/26722?utm_sourc



e=twitterfeed&ut


m_me
dium=twitter
Thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you. Now please, please Tories, join forces and let's end this now. Brilliant!
So who is to lead this new administration? Will the Tories, with 18 seats, defer to Labour, with 14? Very doubtful.

So will Warren Morgan play Clegg to Geoffrey Theobald's Cameron? What is this going to do to his (and Labour's) long-term prospects?
Ummmm, if you read the article, most of your questions are answered :)
[quote][p][bold]Tring[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the red head[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: At last, some GOOD news for all to read!!! Merry January to you all :) http://www.brightona ndhovenews.org/2014/ 01/16/labour-tables- formal-vote-of-no-co nfidence-in-brighton -and-hoves-ruling-gr eens/26722?utm_sourc e=twitterfeed&ut m_me dium=twitter[/p][/quote]Thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you. Now please, please Tories, join forces and let's end this now. Brilliant![/p][/quote]So who is to lead this new administration? Will the Tories, with 18 seats, defer to Labour, with 14? Very doubtful. So will Warren Morgan play Clegg to Geoffrey Theobald's Cameron? What is this going to do to his (and Labour's) long-term prospects?[/p][/quote]Ummmm, if you read the article, most of your questions are answered :) the red head
  • Score: 9

6:07pm Thu 16 Jan 14

PorkBoat says...

Greenpaws, when are you appearing at The Komedia? I'd like to buy some tickets, you crack me up!
Greenpaws, when are you appearing at The Komedia? I'd like to buy some tickets, you crack me up! PorkBoat
  • Score: 16

6:14pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Sir Prised says...

greenpaws wrote:
Bubs, can you divide by 12 to work out your monthly increase?

Surely, an extra £5.97 is worth support the vulnerable and elderly in the city against the harm from government cuts.

Food and energy has gone up about 40% since 2010 but Council Tax has only gone up about 4%, LESS than inflation.

The cost of caring for MORE elderly goes UP. Why do some find it acceptable that energy companies can jack up prices massively but councils who provide essential services can't ask for reasonable increases.

LET THE PEOPLE DECIDE!
My CT has gone up 231% since 1998. Let them spend some of that on the vulnerable. We managed up unitl then OK.
Or the other alternative is a local IT where ALL earners contribute to local services. It's totally unfair that only those with property should pick up the bill for community costs.
The only reason the Poll Taxx got thrown out, was because none of the young earners wanted to make any contribution to social need.
[quote][p][bold]greenpaws[/bold] wrote: Bubs, can you divide by 12 to work out your monthly increase? Surely, an extra £5.97 is worth support the vulnerable and elderly in the city against the harm from government cuts. Food and energy has gone up about 40% since 2010 but Council Tax has only gone up about 4%, LESS than inflation. The cost of caring for MORE elderly goes UP. Why do some find it acceptable that energy companies can jack up prices massively but councils who provide essential services can't ask for reasonable increases. LET THE PEOPLE DECIDE![/p][/quote]My CT has gone up 231% since 1998. Let them spend some of that on the vulnerable. We managed up unitl then OK. Or the other alternative is a local IT where ALL earners contribute to local services. It's totally unfair that only those with property should pick up the bill for community costs. The only reason the Poll Taxx got thrown out, was because none of the young earners wanted to make any contribution to social need. Sir Prised
  • Score: 18

6:24pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Tring says...

the red head wrote:
Tring wrote:
the red head wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
At last, some GOOD news for all to read!!! Merry January to you all :)

http://www.brightona




ndhovenews.org/2014/




01/16/labour-tables-




formal-vote-of-no-co




nfidence-in-brighton




-and-hoves-ruling-gr




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e=twitterfeed&ut



m_me
dium=twitter
Thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you. Now please, please Tories, join forces and let's end this now. Brilliant!
So who is to lead this new administration? Will the Tories, with 18 seats, defer to Labour, with 14? Very doubtful.

So will Warren Morgan play Clegg to Geoffrey Theobald's Cameron? What is this going to do to his (and Labour's) long-term prospects?
Ummmm, if you read the article, most of your questions are answered :)
Ummm, I have read the article, and as far as I can see it doesn't answer any of my questions :(
[quote][p][bold]the red head[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tring[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the red head[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: At last, some GOOD news for all to read!!! Merry January to you all :) http://www.brightona ndhovenews.org/2014/ 01/16/labour-tables- formal-vote-of-no-co nfidence-in-brighton -and-hoves-ruling-gr eens/26722?utm_sourc e=twitterfeed&ut m_me dium=twitter[/p][/quote]Thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you. Now please, please Tories, join forces and let's end this now. Brilliant![/p][/quote]So who is to lead this new administration? Will the Tories, with 18 seats, defer to Labour, with 14? Very doubtful. So will Warren Morgan play Clegg to Geoffrey Theobald's Cameron? What is this going to do to his (and Labour's) long-term prospects?[/p][/quote]Ummmm, if you read the article, most of your questions are answered :)[/p][/quote]Ummm, I have read the article, and as far as I can see it doesn't answer any of my questions :( Tring
  • Score: -4

6:29pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Brighton1000 says...

Tring wrote:
the red head wrote:
Tring wrote:
the red head wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
At last, some GOOD news for all to read!!! Merry January to you all :)

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Thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you. Now please, please Tories, join forces and let's end this now. Brilliant!
So who is to lead this new administration? Will the Tories, with 18 seats, defer to Labour, with 14? Very doubtful.

So will Warren Morgan play Clegg to Geoffrey Theobald's Cameron? What is this going to do to his (and Labour's) long-term prospects?
Ummmm, if you read the article, most of your questions are answered :)
Ummm, I have read the article, and as far as I can see it doesn't answer any of my questions :(
this is another cracker

http://notesbrokenso
ciety.wordpress.com/
2014/01/16/how-the-g
reen-party-just-surr
endered-brighton-to-
austerity-politics/
[quote][p][bold]Tring[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the red head[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tring[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the red head[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: At last, some GOOD news for all to read!!! Merry January to you all :) http://www.brightona ndhovenews.org/2014/ 01/16/labour-tables- formal-vote-of-no-co nfidence-in-brighton -and-hoves-ruling-gr eens/26722?utm_sourc e=twitterfeed&ut m_me dium=twitter[/p][/quote]Thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you. Now please, please Tories, join forces and let's end this now. Brilliant![/p][/quote]So who is to lead this new administration? Will the Tories, with 18 seats, defer to Labour, with 14? Very doubtful. So will Warren Morgan play Clegg to Geoffrey Theobald's Cameron? What is this going to do to his (and Labour's) long-term prospects?[/p][/quote]Ummmm, if you read the article, most of your questions are answered :)[/p][/quote]Ummm, I have read the article, and as far as I can see it doesn't answer any of my questions :([/p][/quote]this is another cracker http://notesbrokenso ciety.wordpress.com/ 2014/01/16/how-the-g reen-party-just-surr endered-brighton-to- austerity-politics/ Brighton1000
  • Score: 1

6:51pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Martin999 says...

greenpaws wrote:
This is a bold and much need step against the harm the vulnerable in the city suffer.

Will Labour and the Tories let the local people have their say in a referendum? or will they serve their pro-rich and anti-poor positions?

It's certainly time the people had a say. Tories and Labour pay lip service to localism but when it comes to it are often found wanting. Will they be hypocrites again?
Green propaganda
[quote][p][bold]greenpaws[/bold] wrote: This is a bold and much need step against the harm the vulnerable in the city suffer. Will Labour and the Tories let the local people have their say in a referendum? or will they serve their pro-rich and anti-poor positions? It's certainly time the people had a say. Tories and Labour pay lip service to localism but when it comes to it are often found wanting. Will they be hypocrites again?[/p][/quote]Green propaganda Martin999
  • Score: 12

6:54pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Brighton1000 says...

Martin999 wrote:
greenpaws wrote:
This is a bold and much need step against the harm the vulnerable in the city suffer.

Will Labour and the Tories let the local people have their say in a referendum? or will they serve their pro-rich and anti-poor positions?

It's certainly time the people had a say. Tories and Labour pay lip service to localism but when it comes to it are often found wanting. Will they be hypocrites again?
Green propaganda
How many people do they imagine will vote for the increase? It will be a referendum on the popularity of the greens. Its time to say bye bye Kitwat
[quote][p][bold]Martin999[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]greenpaws[/bold] wrote: This is a bold and much need step against the harm the vulnerable in the city suffer. Will Labour and the Tories let the local people have their say in a referendum? or will they serve their pro-rich and anti-poor positions? It's certainly time the people had a say. Tories and Labour pay lip service to localism but when it comes to it are often found wanting. Will they be hypocrites again?[/p][/quote]Green propaganda[/p][/quote]How many people do they imagine will vote for the increase? It will be a referendum on the popularity of the greens. Its time to say bye bye Kitwat Brighton1000
  • Score: 15

7:03pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Martin999 says...

greenpaws wrote:
Fight_Back, I simply don't believe you voted Green last time. The Greens have been one of the most successful councils in the country, evening winning awards for some of their work.

Re. your points:
As far as I'm aware, the Brighton Centre has had investment to improve energy efficiency and save money and not for prettying the facade.

Seven Dials cost a lot in part due to changes off the roundabout as well but also due to keep the traffic moving during construction.

As for the Skip Art, I hear that was a free installation.

I look forward to a Green majority next time. We clearly don't want the uncaring attitude of Labour/Tories to dominate the council from 2015.

This city is much better under Greens.
Green paws, stop posting your Green propaganda on here. Also, please note that inflation has not gone above 4% as you claim, it's 2%.
[quote][p][bold]greenpaws[/bold] wrote: Fight_Back, I simply don't believe you voted Green last time. The Greens have been one of the most successful councils in the country, evening winning awards for some of their work. Re. your points: As far as I'm aware, the Brighton Centre has had investment to improve energy efficiency and save money and not for prettying the facade. Seven Dials cost a lot in part due to changes off the roundabout as well but also due to keep the traffic moving during construction. As for the Skip Art, I hear that was a free installation. I look forward to a Green majority next time. We clearly don't want the uncaring attitude of Labour/Tories to dominate the council from 2015. This city is much better under Greens.[/p][/quote]Green paws, stop posting your Green propaganda on here. Also, please note that inflation has not gone above 4% as you claim, it's 2%. Martin999
  • Score: 22

7:07pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Brighton1000 says...

Martin999 wrote:
greenpaws wrote:
Fight_Back, I simply don't believe you voted Green last time. The Greens have been one of the most successful councils in the country, evening winning awards for some of their work.

Re. your points:
As far as I'm aware, the Brighton Centre has had investment to improve energy efficiency and save money and not for prettying the facade.

Seven Dials cost a lot in part due to changes off the roundabout as well but also due to keep the traffic moving during construction.

As for the Skip Art, I hear that was a free installation.

I look forward to a Green majority next time. We clearly don't want the uncaring attitude of Labour/Tories to dominate the council from 2015.

This city is much better under Greens.
Green paws, stop posting your Green propaganda on here. Also, please note that inflation has not gone above 4% as you claim, it's 2%.
@greenpaws, thats a troll if ever i saw one
[quote][p][bold]Martin999[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]greenpaws[/bold] wrote: Fight_Back, I simply don't believe you voted Green last time. The Greens have been one of the most successful councils in the country, evening winning awards for some of their work. Re. your points: As far as I'm aware, the Brighton Centre has had investment to improve energy efficiency and save money and not for prettying the facade. Seven Dials cost a lot in part due to changes off the roundabout as well but also due to keep the traffic moving during construction. As for the Skip Art, I hear that was a free installation. I look forward to a Green majority next time. We clearly don't want the uncaring attitude of Labour/Tories to dominate the council from 2015. This city is much better under Greens.[/p][/quote]Green paws, stop posting your Green propaganda on here. Also, please note that inflation has not gone above 4% as you claim, it's 2%.[/p][/quote]@greenpaws, thats a troll if ever i saw one Brighton1000
  • Score: 9

7:29pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Tring says...

Brighton1000 wrote:
Tring wrote:
the red head wrote:
Tring wrote:
the red head wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
At last, some GOOD news for all to read!!! Merry January to you all :)

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Thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you. Now please, please Tories, join forces and let's end this now. Brilliant!
So who is to lead this new administration? Will the Tories, with 18 seats, defer to Labour, with 14? Very doubtful.

So will Warren Morgan play Clegg to Geoffrey Theobald's Cameron? What is this going to do to his (and Labour's) long-term prospects?
Ummmm, if you read the article, most of your questions are answered :)
Ummm, I have read the article, and as far as I can see it doesn't answer any of my questions :(
this is another cracker

http://notesbrokenso

ciety.wordpress.com/

2014/01/16/how-the-g

reen-party-just-surr

endered-brighton-to-

austerity-politics/
Yes, it's certainly a cracker. Claiming that the Greens are playing into the hands of the austerity politics peddled by the Tories, whereas Labour … are offering to form a local coalition with the Tories!

At least the proposed tax rise and referendum has the merit of pointing out that the responsibility for austerity lies with central government. Labour just seem to want to let the Tories off the hook.
[quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tring[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the red head[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tring[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the red head[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: At last, some GOOD news for all to read!!! Merry January to you all :) http://www.brightona ndhovenews.org/2014/ 01/16/labour-tables- formal-vote-of-no-co nfidence-in-brighton -and-hoves-ruling-gr eens/26722?utm_sourc e=twitterfeed&ut m_me dium=twitter[/p][/quote]Thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you. Now please, please Tories, join forces and let's end this now. Brilliant![/p][/quote]So who is to lead this new administration? Will the Tories, with 18 seats, defer to Labour, with 14? Very doubtful. So will Warren Morgan play Clegg to Geoffrey Theobald's Cameron? What is this going to do to his (and Labour's) long-term prospects?[/p][/quote]Ummmm, if you read the article, most of your questions are answered :)[/p][/quote]Ummm, I have read the article, and as far as I can see it doesn't answer any of my questions :([/p][/quote]this is another cracker http://notesbrokenso ciety.wordpress.com/ 2014/01/16/how-the-g reen-party-just-surr endered-brighton-to- austerity-politics/[/p][/quote]Yes, it's certainly a cracker. Claiming that the Greens are playing into the hands of the austerity politics peddled by the Tories, whereas Labour … are offering to form a local coalition with the Tories! At least the proposed tax rise and referendum has the merit of pointing out that the responsibility for austerity lies with central government. Labour just seem to want to let the Tories off the hook. Tring
  • Score: -11

7:29pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Martha Gunn says...

Surely this signals the death throes of this dreadful Green excrescence that has been visited on our city?

Surely the students won't be allowed to vote to make the rest of us pay for clearing up behind them?
Surely this signals the death throes of this dreadful Green excrescence that has been visited on our city? Surely the students won't be allowed to vote to make the rest of us pay for clearing up behind them? Martha Gunn
  • Score: 24

7:43pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Mark63 says...

I do not want to pay for their megalomaniac attitude to penalising drivers for everything... Stop spending money on painting 20 signs everywhere, stop creating OTT Cycle lanes, stop narrowing roads so that drivers have to give way to every other mode of transport, stop charging the earth to park... you can save millions on all of those things and then no rise needed - end of.
I do not want to pay for their megalomaniac attitude to penalising drivers for everything... Stop spending money on painting 20 signs everywhere, stop creating OTT Cycle lanes, stop narrowing roads so that drivers have to give way to every other mode of transport, stop charging the earth to park... you can save millions on all of those things and then no rise needed - end of. Mark63
  • Score: 15

7:46pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Brighton1000 says...

Mark63 wrote:
I do not want to pay for their megalomaniac attitude to penalising drivers for everything... Stop spending money on painting 20 signs everywhere, stop creating OTT Cycle lanes, stop narrowing roads so that drivers have to give way to every other mode of transport, stop charging the earth to park... you can save millions on all of those things and then no rise needed - end of.
Bang on, Now wait for some green to spin what you've said. They r on their way out, appears we wont be waiting until next year after all.
[quote][p][bold]Mark63[/bold] wrote: I do not want to pay for their megalomaniac attitude to penalising drivers for everything... Stop spending money on painting 20 signs everywhere, stop creating OTT Cycle lanes, stop narrowing roads so that drivers have to give way to every other mode of transport, stop charging the earth to park... you can save millions on all of those things and then no rise needed - end of.[/p][/quote]Bang on, Now wait for some green to spin what you've said. They r on their way out, appears we wont be waiting until next year after all. Brighton1000
  • Score: 12

7:51pm Thu 16 Jan 14

keswick says...

greenpaws wrote:
Fight_Back, I simply don't believe you voted Green last time. The Greens have been one of the most successful councils in the country, evening winning awards for some of their work.

Re. your points:
As far as I'm aware, the Brighton Centre has had investment to improve energy efficiency and save money and not for prettying the facade.

Seven Dials cost a lot in part due to changes off the roundabout as well but also due to keep the traffic moving during construction.

As for the Skip Art, I hear that was a free installation.

I look forward to a Green majority next time. We clearly don't want the uncaring attitude of Labour/Tories to dominate the council from 2015.

This city is much better under Greens.
You really are a deluded idiot.
[quote][p][bold]greenpaws[/bold] wrote: Fight_Back, I simply don't believe you voted Green last time. The Greens have been one of the most successful councils in the country, evening winning awards for some of their work. Re. your points: As far as I'm aware, the Brighton Centre has had investment to improve energy efficiency and save money and not for prettying the facade. Seven Dials cost a lot in part due to changes off the roundabout as well but also due to keep the traffic moving during construction. As for the Skip Art, I hear that was a free installation. I look forward to a Green majority next time. We clearly don't want the uncaring attitude of Labour/Tories to dominate the council from 2015. This city is much better under Greens.[/p][/quote]You really are a deluded idiot. keswick
  • Score: 19

8:08pm Thu 16 Jan 14

whatevernext2013 says...

greenpaws wrote:
The referendum will take place at the same time as the Euro elections so will save having to pay £120,000.

It's time for democracy and the people to decide!
funny its jumped to 270k since it was reported this afternoon it will be a million by morning
[quote][p][bold]greenpaws[/bold] wrote: The referendum will take place at the same time as the Euro elections so will save having to pay £120,000. It's time for democracy and the people to decide![/p][/quote]funny its jumped to 270k since it was reported this afternoon it will be a million by morning whatevernext2013
  • Score: -2

8:13pm Thu 16 Jan 14

annoyed from elm grove says...

1. Students don't pay Council Tax.

2. Increasing numbers of student live in the city and occupy homes where council tax paying families would have lived (just look at the planning portal on the Council's website for the number of applications to convert properties in to HMOs in the Hanover and Elm Grove area).

3. Student houses produce more waste. This is because the Landlord's convert living rooms etc into bedrooms and so there are more students living in a house, than if a family lived there. Often the students bins can't cope with the amount of waste they produce per week which means it blows all over the street and then the street cleaners have to clean it up. Refuse and recycling is paid for by our Council Tax.

Perhaps the Council should look at ways to tax this revenue stream. Especially since there are more and more students coming to the City who are living in HMOs and pushing people who would have paid Council Tax out. I don't think that they can force the students to pay Council Tax because I seem to recall that this is prohibited by the Government but there must be a way of taxing the Landlords, for example.

It seems daft that the City's long term plan is more studentification, but this is actually bad for the council's coffers.
1. Students don't pay Council Tax. 2. Increasing numbers of student live in the city and occupy homes where council tax paying families would have lived (just look at the planning portal on the Council's website for the number of applications to convert properties in to HMOs in the Hanover and Elm Grove area). 3. Student houses produce more waste. This is because the Landlord's convert living rooms etc into bedrooms and so there are more students living in a house, than if a family lived there. Often the students bins can't cope with the amount of waste they produce per week which means it blows all over the street and then the street cleaners have to clean it up. Refuse and recycling is paid for by our Council Tax. Perhaps the Council should look at ways to tax this revenue stream. Especially since there are more and more students coming to the City who are living in HMOs and pushing people who would have paid Council Tax out. I don't think that they can force the students to pay Council Tax because I seem to recall that this is prohibited by the Government but there must be a way of taxing the Landlords, for example. It seems daft that the City's long term plan is more studentification, but this is actually bad for the council's coffers. annoyed from elm grove
  • Score: 28

8:29pm Thu 16 Jan 14

HJarrs says...

Many Labour members and voters must be truly embarrassed tonight as the Labour leader Warren Morgan and councillors have let down once more the must vulnerable in the city for political opportunism. Now you are with the Tories, eager to cut and privatise. If you have any moral fibre left you should be ripping up your membership cards! But then you would have done that when Warren Morgan would not back the Greens in protecting those in arrears due to the bedroom tax.

This should have been the whole council seeking a council tax rise, all fighting to protect the services of this amazing city, sadly only the Greens stand by their principles.

It was Warren Morgan and the Labour group that contributed to the cuts the city faces, by joining with their friends the Tories in voting down a 2% council tax rise, we could have avoided many cuts already made and the need to raise the council tax tax above 2%.

Vote Labour get Tory. Has a good ring for May 2015.
Many Labour members and voters must be truly embarrassed tonight as the Labour leader Warren Morgan and councillors have let down once more the must vulnerable in the city for political opportunism. Now you are with the Tories, eager to cut and privatise. If you have any moral fibre left you should be ripping up your membership cards! But then you would have done that when Warren Morgan would not back the Greens in protecting those in arrears due to the bedroom tax. This should have been the whole council seeking a council tax rise, all fighting to protect the services of this amazing city, sadly only the Greens stand by their principles. It was Warren Morgan and the Labour group that contributed to the cuts the city faces, by joining with their friends the Tories in voting down a 2% council tax rise, we could have avoided many cuts already made and the need to raise the council tax tax above 2%. Vote Labour get Tory. Has a good ring for May 2015. HJarrs
  • Score: -26

8:44pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Brighton1000 says...

HJarrs wrote:
Many Labour members and voters must be truly embarrassed tonight as the Labour leader Warren Morgan and councillors have let down once more the must vulnerable in the city for political opportunism. Now you are with the Tories, eager to cut and privatise. If you have any moral fibre left you should be ripping up your membership cards! But then you would have done that when Warren Morgan would not back the Greens in protecting those in arrears due to the bedroom tax.

This should have been the whole council seeking a council tax rise, all fighting to protect the services of this amazing city, sadly only the Greens stand by their principles.

It was Warren Morgan and the Labour group that contributed to the cuts the city faces, by joining with their friends the Tories in voting down a 2% council tax rise, we could have avoided many cuts already made and the need to raise the council tax tax above 2%.

Vote Labour get Tory. Has a good ring for May 2015.
A far better ring than 'greens, here to **** up your city for another few years'. Vote of no confidence is on its way. Bye bye Kitwat
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Many Labour members and voters must be truly embarrassed tonight as the Labour leader Warren Morgan and councillors have let down once more the must vulnerable in the city for political opportunism. Now you are with the Tories, eager to cut and privatise. If you have any moral fibre left you should be ripping up your membership cards! But then you would have done that when Warren Morgan would not back the Greens in protecting those in arrears due to the bedroom tax. This should have been the whole council seeking a council tax rise, all fighting to protect the services of this amazing city, sadly only the Greens stand by their principles. It was Warren Morgan and the Labour group that contributed to the cuts the city faces, by joining with their friends the Tories in voting down a 2% council tax rise, we could have avoided many cuts already made and the need to raise the council tax tax above 2%. Vote Labour get Tory. Has a good ring for May 2015.[/p][/quote]A far better ring than 'greens, here to **** up your city for another few years'. Vote of no confidence is on its way. Bye bye Kitwat Brighton1000
  • Score: 19

8:53pm Thu 16 Jan 14

JHunty says...

HJarrs wrote:
Many Labour members and voters must be truly embarrassed tonight as the Labour leader Warren Morgan and councillors have let down once more the must vulnerable in the city for political opportunism. Now you are with the Tories, eager to cut and privatise. If you have any moral fibre left you should be ripping up your membership cards! But then you would have done that when Warren Morgan would not back the Greens in protecting those in arrears due to the bedroom tax.

This should have been the whole council seeking a council tax rise, all fighting to protect the services of this amazing city, sadly only the Greens stand by their principles.

It was Warren Morgan and the Labour group that contributed to the cuts the city faces, by joining with their friends the Tories in voting down a 2% council tax rise, we could have avoided many cuts already made and the need to raise the council tax tax above 2%.

Vote Labour get Tory. Has a good ring for May 2015.
Just remind me who was it the greens asked to help them get rid of Jason Kitkat ? What principles were they standing by when they asked Labour to help them stab one of their own in the back? You claim that all parties should be united in fighting the cuts but the greens themselves are divided. The most vociferous criticism of the greens has come from other greens a fact you conveniently ignore when trying to blame the Argus for the greens unpopularity or when trying to deflect any criticism of the greens by accusing people of being part of the moanerati, a phrase that reveals more about you than those you try and use it to denigrate.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Many Labour members and voters must be truly embarrassed tonight as the Labour leader Warren Morgan and councillors have let down once more the must vulnerable in the city for political opportunism. Now you are with the Tories, eager to cut and privatise. If you have any moral fibre left you should be ripping up your membership cards! But then you would have done that when Warren Morgan would not back the Greens in protecting those in arrears due to the bedroom tax. This should have been the whole council seeking a council tax rise, all fighting to protect the services of this amazing city, sadly only the Greens stand by their principles. It was Warren Morgan and the Labour group that contributed to the cuts the city faces, by joining with their friends the Tories in voting down a 2% council tax rise, we could have avoided many cuts already made and the need to raise the council tax tax above 2%. Vote Labour get Tory. Has a good ring for May 2015.[/p][/quote]Just remind me who was it the greens asked to help them get rid of Jason Kitkat ? What principles were they standing by when they asked Labour to help them stab one of their own in the back? You claim that all parties should be united in fighting the cuts but the greens themselves are divided. The most vociferous criticism of the greens has come from other greens a fact you conveniently ignore when trying to blame the Argus for the greens unpopularity or when trying to deflect any criticism of the greens by accusing people of being part of the moanerati, a phrase that reveals more about you than those you try and use it to denigrate. JHunty
  • Score: 21

8:53pm Thu 16 Jan 14

thevoiceoftruth says...

Fairfax Aches wrote:
The freezing of real rises in council tax is doing nothing but diminishing the quality of services offered.
Brighton is a well run city, with a sense of environmental responsibility that is so neglected in other places.
Yes it may cost a bit more to operate in an ethical manner, its a small price to save the environment. This is Brighton after all, pay up or leave if you don't like it!.
A well run city? Where they can't even collect the rubbish. While I admire your ethical principles Fairfax, it sounds like a rise of 4.75% would not have any impact on your household. What you seem to forget is that Brighton is not a playground for the rich. Most local jobs are extremely poorly paid, rents are high and not everyone runs an eco business or tech company. Many are struggling to make ends meet.

It's extremely galling to hear "pay up or leave if you don't like it." Those are the sort of words I would expect to hear from a tory. You may be green on the outside but you are blue on the inside,
[quote][p][bold]Fairfax Aches[/bold] wrote: The freezing of real rises in council tax is doing nothing but diminishing the quality of services offered. Brighton is a well run city, with a sense of environmental responsibility that is so neglected in other places. Yes it may cost a bit more to operate in an ethical manner, its a small price to save the environment. This is Brighton after all, pay up or leave if you don't like it!.[/p][/quote]A well run city? Where they can't even collect the rubbish. While I admire your ethical principles Fairfax, it sounds like a rise of 4.75% would not have any impact on your household. What you seem to forget is that Brighton is not a playground for the rich. Most local jobs are extremely poorly paid, rents are high and not everyone runs an eco business or tech company. Many are struggling to make ends meet. It's extremely galling to hear "pay up or leave if you don't like it." Those are the sort of words I would expect to hear from a tory. You may be green on the outside but you are blue on the inside, thevoiceoftruth
  • Score: 16

9:04pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Fight_Back says...

HJarrs wrote:
Many Labour members and voters must be truly embarrassed tonight as the Labour leader Warren Morgan and councillors have let down once more the must vulnerable in the city for political opportunism. Now you are with the Tories, eager to cut and privatise. If you have any moral fibre left you should be ripping up your membership cards! But then you would have done that when Warren Morgan would not back the Greens in protecting those in arrears due to the bedroom tax.

This should have been the whole council seeking a council tax rise, all fighting to protect the services of this amazing city, sadly only the Greens stand by their principles.

It was Warren Morgan and the Labour group that contributed to the cuts the city faces, by joining with their friends the Tories in voting down a 2% council tax rise, we could have avoided many cuts already made and the need to raise the council tax tax above 2%.

Vote Labour get Tory. Has a good ring for May 2015.
Small point ..... and one you've missed ( on purpose ), Labour DID most recently vote for a 2% increase but of course THAT would suit your political agenda. 4.75% is more than most people have had as pay rises ( assuming they have had any ) and takes no account of the 10% increase in gas and electric nor the above inflation rises in food costs. It is criminal that the Greens think that those of us that are already struggling to pay our bills can suddenly find yet another increase. Good on Labour for standing up for the tax payers.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Many Labour members and voters must be truly embarrassed tonight as the Labour leader Warren Morgan and councillors have let down once more the must vulnerable in the city for political opportunism. Now you are with the Tories, eager to cut and privatise. If you have any moral fibre left you should be ripping up your membership cards! But then you would have done that when Warren Morgan would not back the Greens in protecting those in arrears due to the bedroom tax. This should have been the whole council seeking a council tax rise, all fighting to protect the services of this amazing city, sadly only the Greens stand by their principles. It was Warren Morgan and the Labour group that contributed to the cuts the city faces, by joining with their friends the Tories in voting down a 2% council tax rise, we could have avoided many cuts already made and the need to raise the council tax tax above 2%. Vote Labour get Tory. Has a good ring for May 2015.[/p][/quote]Small point ..... and one you've missed ( on purpose ), Labour DID most recently vote for a 2% increase but of course THAT would suit your political agenda. 4.75% is more than most people have had as pay rises ( assuming they have had any ) and takes no account of the 10% increase in gas and electric nor the above inflation rises in food costs. It is criminal that the Greens think that those of us that are already struggling to pay our bills can suddenly find yet another increase. Good on Labour for standing up for the tax payers. Fight_Back
  • Score: 17

9:07pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Fight_Back says...

Fight_Back wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Many Labour members and voters must be truly embarrassed tonight as the Labour leader Warren Morgan and councillors have let down once more the must vulnerable in the city for political opportunism. Now you are with the Tories, eager to cut and privatise. If you have any moral fibre left you should be ripping up your membership cards! But then you would have done that when Warren Morgan would not back the Greens in protecting those in arrears due to the bedroom tax.

This should have been the whole council seeking a council tax rise, all fighting to protect the services of this amazing city, sadly only the Greens stand by their principles.

It was Warren Morgan and the Labour group that contributed to the cuts the city faces, by joining with their friends the Tories in voting down a 2% council tax rise, we could have avoided many cuts already made and the need to raise the council tax tax above 2%.

Vote Labour get Tory. Has a good ring for May 2015.
Small point ..... and one you've missed ( on purpose ), Labour DID most recently vote for a 2% increase but of course THAT would suit your political agenda. 4.75% is more than most people have had as pay rises ( assuming they have had any ) and takes no account of the 10% increase in gas and electric nor the above inflation rises in food costs. It is criminal that the Greens think that those of us that are already struggling to pay our bills can suddenly find yet another increase. Good on Labour for standing up for the tax payers.
should have read "THAT wouldn't suit your agenda"
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Many Labour members and voters must be truly embarrassed tonight as the Labour leader Warren Morgan and councillors have let down once more the must vulnerable in the city for political opportunism. Now you are with the Tories, eager to cut and privatise. If you have any moral fibre left you should be ripping up your membership cards! But then you would have done that when Warren Morgan would not back the Greens in protecting those in arrears due to the bedroom tax. This should have been the whole council seeking a council tax rise, all fighting to protect the services of this amazing city, sadly only the Greens stand by their principles. It was Warren Morgan and the Labour group that contributed to the cuts the city faces, by joining with their friends the Tories in voting down a 2% council tax rise, we could have avoided many cuts already made and the need to raise the council tax tax above 2%. Vote Labour get Tory. Has a good ring for May 2015.[/p][/quote]Small point ..... and one you've missed ( on purpose ), Labour DID most recently vote for a 2% increase but of course THAT would suit your political agenda. 4.75% is more than most people have had as pay rises ( assuming they have had any ) and takes no account of the 10% increase in gas and electric nor the above inflation rises in food costs. It is criminal that the Greens think that those of us that are already struggling to pay our bills can suddenly find yet another increase. Good on Labour for standing up for the tax payers.[/p][/quote]should have read "THAT wouldn't suit your agenda" Fight_Back
  • Score: 6

9:12pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Fight_Back says...

thevoiceoftruth wrote:
Fairfax Aches wrote:
The freezing of real rises in council tax is doing nothing but diminishing the quality of services offered.
Brighton is a well run city, with a sense of environmental responsibility that is so neglected in other places.
Yes it may cost a bit more to operate in an ethical manner, its a small price to save the environment. This is Brighton after all, pay up or leave if you don't like it!.
A well run city? Where they can't even collect the rubbish. While I admire your ethical principles Fairfax, it sounds like a rise of 4.75% would not have any impact on your household. What you seem to forget is that Brighton is not a playground for the rich. Most local jobs are extremely poorly paid, rents are high and not everyone runs an eco business or tech company. Many are struggling to make ends meet.

It's extremely galling to hear "pay up or leave if you don't like it." Those are the sort of words I would expect to hear from a tory. You may be green on the outside but you are blue on the inside,
Let's add to the "pay up or leave comment" - Jason Kitcat isn't from Brighton and Hove, nor is his wife, nor are a vast majority of the local Green Councillors ( I doubt Fairfax Aches was either ). So, as a person born in this city I feel have every right to tell them to eff off and never darken this previously great city's borders again !!!
[quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fairfax Aches[/bold] wrote: The freezing of real rises in council tax is doing nothing but diminishing the quality of services offered. Brighton is a well run city, with a sense of environmental responsibility that is so neglected in other places. Yes it may cost a bit more to operate in an ethical manner, its a small price to save the environment. This is Brighton after all, pay up or leave if you don't like it!.[/p][/quote]A well run city? Where they can't even collect the rubbish. While I admire your ethical principles Fairfax, it sounds like a rise of 4.75% would not have any impact on your household. What you seem to forget is that Brighton is not a playground for the rich. Most local jobs are extremely poorly paid, rents are high and not everyone runs an eco business or tech company. Many are struggling to make ends meet. It's extremely galling to hear "pay up or leave if you don't like it." Those are the sort of words I would expect to hear from a tory. You may be green on the outside but you are blue on the inside,[/p][/quote]Let's add to the "pay up or leave comment" - Jason Kitcat isn't from Brighton and Hove, nor is his wife, nor are a vast majority of the local Green Councillors ( I doubt Fairfax Aches was either ). So, as a person born in this city I feel have every right to tell them to eff off and never darken this previously great city's borders again !!! Fight_Back
  • Score: 24

9:12pm Thu 16 Jan 14

HJarrs says...

Brighton1000 wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Many Labour members and voters must be truly embarrassed tonight as the Labour leader Warren Morgan and councillors have let down once more the must vulnerable in the city for political opportunism. Now you are with the Tories, eager to cut and privatise. If you have any moral fibre left you should be ripping up your membership cards! But then you would have done that when Warren Morgan would not back the Greens in protecting those in arrears due to the bedroom tax.

This should have been the whole council seeking a council tax rise, all fighting to protect the services of this amazing city, sadly only the Greens stand by their principles.

It was Warren Morgan and the Labour group that contributed to the cuts the city faces, by joining with their friends the Tories in voting down a 2% council tax rise, we could have avoided many cuts already made and the need to raise the council tax tax above 2%.

Vote Labour get Tory. Has a good ring for May 2015.
A far better ring than 'greens, here to **** up your city for another few years'. Vote of no confidence is on its way. Bye bye Kitwat
Despite the wailings of the moanerati, B&H has been successful in finding efficiencies, getting external funding for transport projects in particular and avoiding the worst of the cuts despite some of the deepest government cuts. It is difficult to name a council that has cut less than Brighton and Hove. The budgets have been balanced, we have outperformed the economy and business and developers have and are investing hundreds of millions in the city.

Hardly ******* it up.

The vote of no confidence is little more than a power game by Labour. The Labour councillors clearly are more intent on power than supporting the most vulnerable in city. Like I say, vote Labour get Tory.
[quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Many Labour members and voters must be truly embarrassed tonight as the Labour leader Warren Morgan and councillors have let down once more the must vulnerable in the city for political opportunism. Now you are with the Tories, eager to cut and privatise. If you have any moral fibre left you should be ripping up your membership cards! But then you would have done that when Warren Morgan would not back the Greens in protecting those in arrears due to the bedroom tax. This should have been the whole council seeking a council tax rise, all fighting to protect the services of this amazing city, sadly only the Greens stand by their principles. It was Warren Morgan and the Labour group that contributed to the cuts the city faces, by joining with their friends the Tories in voting down a 2% council tax rise, we could have avoided many cuts already made and the need to raise the council tax tax above 2%. Vote Labour get Tory. Has a good ring for May 2015.[/p][/quote]A far better ring than 'greens, here to **** up your city for another few years'. Vote of no confidence is on its way. Bye bye Kitwat[/p][/quote]Despite the wailings of the moanerati, B&H has been successful in finding efficiencies, getting external funding for transport projects in particular and avoiding the worst of the cuts despite some of the deepest government cuts. It is difficult to name a council that has cut less than Brighton and Hove. The budgets have been balanced, we have outperformed the economy and business and developers have and are investing hundreds of millions in the city. Hardly ******* it up. The vote of no confidence is little more than a power game by Labour. The Labour councillors clearly are more intent on power than supporting the most vulnerable in city. Like I say, vote Labour get Tory. HJarrs
  • Score: -23

9:14pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Brighton1000 says...

HJarrs wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Many Labour members and voters must be truly embarrassed tonight as the Labour leader Warren Morgan and councillors have let down once more the must vulnerable in the city for political opportunism. Now you are with the Tories, eager to cut and privatise. If you have any moral fibre left you should be ripping up your membership cards! But then you would have done that when Warren Morgan would not back the Greens in protecting those in arrears due to the bedroom tax.

This should have been the whole council seeking a council tax rise, all fighting to protect the services of this amazing city, sadly only the Greens stand by their principles.

It was Warren Morgan and the Labour group that contributed to the cuts the city faces, by joining with their friends the Tories in voting down a 2% council tax rise, we could have avoided many cuts already made and the need to raise the council tax tax above 2%.

Vote Labour get Tory. Has a good ring for May 2015.
A far better ring than 'greens, here to **** up your city for another few years'. Vote of no confidence is on its way. Bye bye Kitwat
Despite the wailings of the moanerati, B&H has been successful in finding efficiencies, getting external funding for transport projects in particular and avoiding the worst of the cuts despite some of the deepest government cuts. It is difficult to name a council that has cut less than Brighton and Hove. The budgets have been balanced, we have outperformed the economy and business and developers have and are investing hundreds of millions in the city.

Hardly ******* it up.

The vote of no confidence is little more than a power game by Labour. The Labour councillors clearly are more intent on power than supporting the most vulnerable in city. Like I say, vote Labour get Tory.
Whatever, We will see, Im past rising to your spin. The 'Monerati' you talk of are voters, Enough said. PS where exactly do you live again?
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Many Labour members and voters must be truly embarrassed tonight as the Labour leader Warren Morgan and councillors have let down once more the must vulnerable in the city for political opportunism. Now you are with the Tories, eager to cut and privatise. If you have any moral fibre left you should be ripping up your membership cards! But then you would have done that when Warren Morgan would not back the Greens in protecting those in arrears due to the bedroom tax. This should have been the whole council seeking a council tax rise, all fighting to protect the services of this amazing city, sadly only the Greens stand by their principles. It was Warren Morgan and the Labour group that contributed to the cuts the city faces, by joining with their friends the Tories in voting down a 2% council tax rise, we could have avoided many cuts already made and the need to raise the council tax tax above 2%. Vote Labour get Tory. Has a good ring for May 2015.[/p][/quote]A far better ring than 'greens, here to **** up your city for another few years'. Vote of no confidence is on its way. Bye bye Kitwat[/p][/quote]Despite the wailings of the moanerati, B&H has been successful in finding efficiencies, getting external funding for transport projects in particular and avoiding the worst of the cuts despite some of the deepest government cuts. It is difficult to name a council that has cut less than Brighton and Hove. The budgets have been balanced, we have outperformed the economy and business and developers have and are investing hundreds of millions in the city. Hardly ******* it up. The vote of no confidence is little more than a power game by Labour. The Labour councillors clearly are more intent on power than supporting the most vulnerable in city. Like I say, vote Labour get Tory.[/p][/quote]Whatever, We will see, Im past rising to your spin. The 'Monerati' you talk of are voters, Enough said. PS where exactly do you live again? Brighton1000
  • Score: 15

9:19pm Thu 16 Jan 14

HJarrs says...

JHunty wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Many Labour members and voters must be truly embarrassed tonight as the Labour leader Warren Morgan and councillors have let down once more the must vulnerable in the city for political opportunism. Now you are with the Tories, eager to cut and privatise. If you have any moral fibre left you should be ripping up your membership cards! But then you would have done that when Warren Morgan would not back the Greens in protecting those in arrears due to the bedroom tax.

This should have been the whole council seeking a council tax rise, all fighting to protect the services of this amazing city, sadly only the Greens stand by their principles.

It was Warren Morgan and the Labour group that contributed to the cuts the city faces, by joining with their friends the Tories in voting down a 2% council tax rise, we could have avoided many cuts already made and the need to raise the council tax tax above 2%.

Vote Labour get Tory. Has a good ring for May 2015.
Just remind me who was it the greens asked to help them get rid of Jason Kitkat ? What principles were they standing by when they asked Labour to help them stab one of their own in the back? You claim that all parties should be united in fighting the cuts but the greens themselves are divided. The most vociferous criticism of the greens has come from other greens a fact you conveniently ignore when trying to blame the Argus for the greens unpopularity or when trying to deflect any criticism of the greens by accusing people of being part of the moanerati, a phrase that reveals more about you than those you try and use it to denigrate.
The incident involving one councillor you refer to was linked to an issue of pricipal over which the Greens did split, that being the allowances issue, something dodged by Labour and the Tories and which could have bankrupted the city apparently. All parties are split, the Greens are poor at hiding them. Unlike Labour or Tory councillors, the Greens are free to vote with their conscience. A good thing I am sure you will agree.

Today I was proud of the Green group that they voted unanimously for the people of Brighton and Hove to decide whether they are willing to pay a little extra to help support council services or whether cuts to the vulnerable are to be made. They knew what was coming, but they stood up to be counted.
[quote][p][bold]JHunty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Many Labour members and voters must be truly embarrassed tonight as the Labour leader Warren Morgan and councillors have let down once more the must vulnerable in the city for political opportunism. Now you are with the Tories, eager to cut and privatise. If you have any moral fibre left you should be ripping up your membership cards! But then you would have done that when Warren Morgan would not back the Greens in protecting those in arrears due to the bedroom tax. This should have been the whole council seeking a council tax rise, all fighting to protect the services of this amazing city, sadly only the Greens stand by their principles. It was Warren Morgan and the Labour group that contributed to the cuts the city faces, by joining with their friends the Tories in voting down a 2% council tax rise, we could have avoided many cuts already made and the need to raise the council tax tax above 2%. Vote Labour get Tory. Has a good ring for May 2015.[/p][/quote]Just remind me who was it the greens asked to help them get rid of Jason Kitkat ? What principles were they standing by when they asked Labour to help them stab one of their own in the back? You claim that all parties should be united in fighting the cuts but the greens themselves are divided. The most vociferous criticism of the greens has come from other greens a fact you conveniently ignore when trying to blame the Argus for the greens unpopularity or when trying to deflect any criticism of the greens by accusing people of being part of the moanerati, a phrase that reveals more about you than those you try and use it to denigrate.[/p][/quote]The incident involving one councillor you refer to was linked to an issue of pricipal over which the Greens did split, that being the allowances issue, something dodged by Labour and the Tories and which could have bankrupted the city apparently. All parties are split, the Greens are poor at hiding them. Unlike Labour or Tory councillors, the Greens are free to vote with their conscience. A good thing I am sure you will agree. Today I was proud of the Green group that they voted unanimously for the people of Brighton and Hove to decide whether they are willing to pay a little extra to help support council services or whether cuts to the vulnerable are to be made. They knew what was coming, but they stood up to be counted. HJarrs
  • Score: -25

9:20pm Thu 16 Jan 14

HJarrs says...

Brighton1000 wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Many Labour members and voters must be truly embarrassed tonight as the Labour leader Warren Morgan and councillors have let down once more the must vulnerable in the city for political opportunism. Now you are with the Tories, eager to cut and privatise. If you have any moral fibre left you should be ripping up your membership cards! But then you would have done that when Warren Morgan would not back the Greens in protecting those in arrears due to the bedroom tax.

This should have been the whole council seeking a council tax rise, all fighting to protect the services of this amazing city, sadly only the Greens stand by their principles.

It was Warren Morgan and the Labour group that contributed to the cuts the city faces, by joining with their friends the Tories in voting down a 2% council tax rise, we could have avoided many cuts already made and the need to raise the council tax tax above 2%.

Vote Labour get Tory. Has a good ring for May 2015.
A far better ring than 'greens, here to **** up your city for another few years'. Vote of no confidence is on its way. Bye bye Kitwat
Despite the wailings of the moanerati, B&H has been successful in finding efficiencies, getting external funding for transport projects in particular and avoiding the worst of the cuts despite some of the deepest government cuts. It is difficult to name a council that has cut less than Brighton and Hove. The budgets have been balanced, we have outperformed the economy and business and developers have and are investing hundreds of millions in the city.

Hardly ******* it up.

The vote of no confidence is little more than a power game by Labour. The Labour councillors clearly are more intent on power than supporting the most vulnerable in city. Like I say, vote Labour get Tory.
Whatever, We will see, Im past rising to your spin. The 'Monerati' you talk of are voters, Enough said. PS where exactly do you live again?
Brighton
[quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Many Labour members and voters must be truly embarrassed tonight as the Labour leader Warren Morgan and councillors have let down once more the must vulnerable in the city for political opportunism. Now you are with the Tories, eager to cut and privatise. If you have any moral fibre left you should be ripping up your membership cards! But then you would have done that when Warren Morgan would not back the Greens in protecting those in arrears due to the bedroom tax. This should have been the whole council seeking a council tax rise, all fighting to protect the services of this amazing city, sadly only the Greens stand by their principles. It was Warren Morgan and the Labour group that contributed to the cuts the city faces, by joining with their friends the Tories in voting down a 2% council tax rise, we could have avoided many cuts already made and the need to raise the council tax tax above 2%. Vote Labour get Tory. Has a good ring for May 2015.[/p][/quote]A far better ring than 'greens, here to **** up your city for another few years'. Vote of no confidence is on its way. Bye bye Kitwat[/p][/quote]Despite the wailings of the moanerati, B&H has been successful in finding efficiencies, getting external funding for transport projects in particular and avoiding the worst of the cuts despite some of the deepest government cuts. It is difficult to name a council that has cut less than Brighton and Hove. The budgets have been balanced, we have outperformed the economy and business and developers have and are investing hundreds of millions in the city. Hardly ******* it up. The vote of no confidence is little more than a power game by Labour. The Labour councillors clearly are more intent on power than supporting the most vulnerable in city. Like I say, vote Labour get Tory.[/p][/quote]Whatever, We will see, Im past rising to your spin. The 'Monerati' you talk of are voters, Enough said. PS where exactly do you live again?[/p][/quote]Brighton HJarrs
  • Score: -6

9:21pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Fight_Back says...

HJarrs wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Many Labour members and voters must be truly embarrassed tonight as the Labour leader Warren Morgan and councillors have let down once more the must vulnerable in the city for political opportunism. Now you are with the Tories, eager to cut and privatise. If you have any moral fibre left you should be ripping up your membership cards! But then you would have done that when Warren Morgan would not back the Greens in protecting those in arrears due to the bedroom tax.

This should have been the whole council seeking a council tax rise, all fighting to protect the services of this amazing city, sadly only the Greens stand by their principles.

It was Warren Morgan and the Labour group that contributed to the cuts the city faces, by joining with their friends the Tories in voting down a 2% council tax rise, we could have avoided many cuts already made and the need to raise the council tax tax above 2%.

Vote Labour get Tory. Has a good ring for May 2015.
A far better ring than 'greens, here to **** up your city for another few years'. Vote of no confidence is on its way. Bye bye Kitwat
Despite the wailings of the moanerati, B&H has been successful in finding efficiencies, getting external funding for transport projects in particular and avoiding the worst of the cuts despite some of the deepest government cuts. It is difficult to name a council that has cut less than Brighton and Hove. The budgets have been balanced, we have outperformed the economy and business and developers have and are investing hundreds of millions in the city.

Hardly ******* it up.

The vote of no confidence is little more than a power game by Labour. The Labour councillors clearly are more intent on power than supporting the most vulnerable in city. Like I say, vote Labour get Tory.
Fancy putting your money where your mouth is ?

I wager you £20 that this so called successful Green council will not be a Green council come May 2015.

I nominate the Robert Eaton Memorial Fund as the benefactor if I win. You can pick your own charity. We can both send out personal details to the editor of the Argus to keep our identities hidden and to ensure the loser pays up.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Many Labour members and voters must be truly embarrassed tonight as the Labour leader Warren Morgan and councillors have let down once more the must vulnerable in the city for political opportunism. Now you are with the Tories, eager to cut and privatise. If you have any moral fibre left you should be ripping up your membership cards! But then you would have done that when Warren Morgan would not back the Greens in protecting those in arrears due to the bedroom tax. This should have been the whole council seeking a council tax rise, all fighting to protect the services of this amazing city, sadly only the Greens stand by their principles. It was Warren Morgan and the Labour group that contributed to the cuts the city faces, by joining with their friends the Tories in voting down a 2% council tax rise, we could have avoided many cuts already made and the need to raise the council tax tax above 2%. Vote Labour get Tory. Has a good ring for May 2015.[/p][/quote]A far better ring than 'greens, here to **** up your city for another few years'. Vote of no confidence is on its way. Bye bye Kitwat[/p][/quote]Despite the wailings of the moanerati, B&H has been successful in finding efficiencies, getting external funding for transport projects in particular and avoiding the worst of the cuts despite some of the deepest government cuts. It is difficult to name a council that has cut less than Brighton and Hove. The budgets have been balanced, we have outperformed the economy and business and developers have and are investing hundreds of millions in the city. Hardly ******* it up. The vote of no confidence is little more than a power game by Labour. The Labour councillors clearly are more intent on power than supporting the most vulnerable in city. Like I say, vote Labour get Tory.[/p][/quote]Fancy putting your money where your mouth is ? I wager you £20 that this so called successful Green council will not be a Green council come May 2015. I nominate the Robert Eaton Memorial Fund as the benefactor if I win. You can pick your own charity. We can both send out personal details to the editor of the Argus to keep our identities hidden and to ensure the loser pays up. Fight_Back
  • Score: 15

9:25pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Brighton1000 says...

HJarrs wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Many Labour members and voters must be truly embarrassed tonight as the Labour leader Warren Morgan and councillors have let down once more the must vulnerable in the city for political opportunism. Now you are with the Tories, eager to cut and privatise. If you have any moral fibre left you should be ripping up your membership cards! But then you would have done that when Warren Morgan would not back the Greens in protecting those in arrears due to the bedroom tax.

This should have been the whole council seeking a council tax rise, all fighting to protect the services of this amazing city, sadly only the Greens stand by their principles.

It was Warren Morgan and the Labour group that contributed to the cuts the city faces, by joining with their friends the Tories in voting down a 2% council tax rise, we could have avoided many cuts already made and the need to raise the council tax tax above 2%.

Vote Labour get Tory. Has a good ring for May 2015.
A far better ring than 'greens, here to **** up your city for another few years'. Vote of no confidence is on its way. Bye bye Kitwat
Despite the wailings of the moanerati, B&H has been successful in finding efficiencies, getting external funding for transport projects in particular and avoiding the worst of the cuts despite some of the deepest government cuts. It is difficult to name a council that has cut less than Brighton and Hove. The budgets have been balanced, we have outperformed the economy and business and developers have and are investing hundreds of millions in the city.

Hardly ******* it up.

The vote of no confidence is little more than a power game by Labour. The Labour councillors clearly are more intent on power than supporting the most vulnerable in city. Like I say, vote Labour get Tory.
Whatever, We will see, Im past rising to your spin. The 'Monerati' you talk of are voters, Enough said. PS where exactly do you live again?
Brighton
For a Brighton resident you seem way out of touch with their views. You constantly blame the Argus website, However it is pretty much the only place you get a real feel for what Brightonians think. Please explain, How exactly do you see the greens as staying in any kind of power in the future? And dont spin it its so boring
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Many Labour members and voters must be truly embarrassed tonight as the Labour leader Warren Morgan and councillors have let down once more the must vulnerable in the city for political opportunism. Now you are with the Tories, eager to cut and privatise. If you have any moral fibre left you should be ripping up your membership cards! But then you would have done that when Warren Morgan would not back the Greens in protecting those in arrears due to the bedroom tax. This should have been the whole council seeking a council tax rise, all fighting to protect the services of this amazing city, sadly only the Greens stand by their principles. It was Warren Morgan and the Labour group that contributed to the cuts the city faces, by joining with their friends the Tories in voting down a 2% council tax rise, we could have avoided many cuts already made and the need to raise the council tax tax above 2%. Vote Labour get Tory. Has a good ring for May 2015.[/p][/quote]A far better ring than 'greens, here to **** up your city for another few years'. Vote of no confidence is on its way. Bye bye Kitwat[/p][/quote]Despite the wailings of the moanerati, B&H has been successful in finding efficiencies, getting external funding for transport projects in particular and avoiding the worst of the cuts despite some of the deepest government cuts. It is difficult to name a council that has cut less than Brighton and Hove. The budgets have been balanced, we have outperformed the economy and business and developers have and are investing hundreds of millions in the city. Hardly ******* it up. The vote of no confidence is little more than a power game by Labour. The Labour councillors clearly are more intent on power than supporting the most vulnerable in city. Like I say, vote Labour get Tory.[/p][/quote]Whatever, We will see, Im past rising to your spin. The 'Monerati' you talk of are voters, Enough said. PS where exactly do you live again?[/p][/quote]Brighton[/p][/quote]For a Brighton resident you seem way out of touch with their views. You constantly blame the Argus website, However it is pretty much the only place you get a real feel for what Brightonians think. Please explain, How exactly do you see the greens as staying in any kind of power in the future? And dont spin it its so boring Brighton1000
  • Score: 17

9:32pm Thu 16 Jan 14

HJarrs says...

Fight_Back wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Many Labour members and voters must be truly embarrassed tonight as the Labour leader Warren Morgan and councillors have let down once more the must vulnerable in the city for political opportunism. Now you are with the Tories, eager to cut and privatise. If you have any moral fibre left you should be ripping up your membership cards! But then you would have done that when Warren Morgan would not back the Greens in protecting those in arrears due to the bedroom tax.

This should have been the whole council seeking a council tax rise, all fighting to protect the services of this amazing city, sadly only the Greens stand by their principles.

It was Warren Morgan and the Labour group that contributed to the cuts the city faces, by joining with their friends the Tories in voting down a 2% council tax rise, we could have avoided many cuts already made and the need to raise the council tax tax above 2%.

Vote Labour get Tory. Has a good ring for May 2015.
Small point ..... and one you've missed ( on purpose ), Labour DID most recently vote for a 2% increase but of course THAT would suit your political agenda. 4.75% is more than most people have had as pay rises ( assuming they have had any ) and takes no account of the 10% increase in gas and electric nor the above inflation rises in food costs. It is criminal that the Greens think that those of us that are already struggling to pay our bills can suddenly find yet another increase. Good on Labour for standing up for the tax payers.
I didn't miss it as it is irrelevant to the point, we are missing 2% of council tax every year due to Labour popularism. Warren made all sorts of moans and groans about accepting the 2% rise, ever the opportunist.

It is true many are struggling with bills, but all you do is show just what a relatively low rise council tax would be. As for standing up for the tax payer, they certainly offered poor value when in power, rather the tax payer has seen big efficiencies made in the delivery of services and millions in external grants for transport project. Inconvenient but true.

Vote Labour get Tory.
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Many Labour members and voters must be truly embarrassed tonight as the Labour leader Warren Morgan and councillors have let down once more the must vulnerable in the city for political opportunism. Now you are with the Tories, eager to cut and privatise. If you have any moral fibre left you should be ripping up your membership cards! But then you would have done that when Warren Morgan would not back the Greens in protecting those in arrears due to the bedroom tax. This should have been the whole council seeking a council tax rise, all fighting to protect the services of this amazing city, sadly only the Greens stand by their principles. It was Warren Morgan and the Labour group that contributed to the cuts the city faces, by joining with their friends the Tories in voting down a 2% council tax rise, we could have avoided many cuts already made and the need to raise the council tax tax above 2%. Vote Labour get Tory. Has a good ring for May 2015.[/p][/quote]Small point ..... and one you've missed ( on purpose ), Labour DID most recently vote for a 2% increase but of course THAT would suit your political agenda. 4.75% is more than most people have had as pay rises ( assuming they have had any ) and takes no account of the 10% increase in gas and electric nor the above inflation rises in food costs. It is criminal that the Greens think that those of us that are already struggling to pay our bills can suddenly find yet another increase. Good on Labour for standing up for the tax payers.[/p][/quote]I didn't miss it as it is irrelevant to the point, we are missing 2% of council tax every year due to Labour popularism. Warren made all sorts of moans and groans about accepting the 2% rise, ever the opportunist. It is true many are struggling with bills, but all you do is show just what a relatively low rise council tax would be. As for standing up for the tax payer, they certainly offered poor value when in power, rather the tax payer has seen big efficiencies made in the delivery of services and millions in external grants for transport project. Inconvenient but true. Vote Labour get Tory. HJarrs
  • Score: -16

9:33pm Thu 16 Jan 14

the red head says...

HJarrs wrote:
JHunty wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Many Labour members and voters must be truly embarrassed tonight as the Labour leader Warren Morgan and councillors have let down once more the must vulnerable in the city for political opportunism. Now you are with the Tories, eager to cut and privatise. If you have any moral fibre left you should be ripping up your membership cards! But then you would have done that when Warren Morgan would not back the Greens in protecting those in arrears due to the bedroom tax.

This should have been the whole council seeking a council tax rise, all fighting to protect the services of this amazing city, sadly only the Greens stand by their principles.

It was Warren Morgan and the Labour group that contributed to the cuts the city faces, by joining with their friends the Tories in voting down a 2% council tax rise, we could have avoided many cuts already made and the need to raise the council tax tax above 2%.

Vote Labour get Tory. Has a good ring for May 2015.
Just remind me who was it the greens asked to help them get rid of Jason Kitkat ? What principles were they standing by when they asked Labour to help them stab one of their own in the back? You claim that all parties should be united in fighting the cuts but the greens themselves are divided. The most vociferous criticism of the greens has come from other greens a fact you conveniently ignore when trying to blame the Argus for the greens unpopularity or when trying to deflect any criticism of the greens by accusing people of being part of the moanerati, a phrase that reveals more about you than those you try and use it to denigrate.
The incident involving one councillor you refer to was linked to an issue of pricipal over which the Greens did split, that being the allowances issue, something dodged by Labour and the Tories and which could have bankrupted the city apparently. All parties are split, the Greens are poor at hiding them. Unlike Labour or Tory councillors, the Greens are free to vote with their conscience. A good thing I am sure you will agree.

Today I was proud of the Green group that they voted unanimously for the people of Brighton and Hove to decide whether they are willing to pay a little extra to help support council services or whether cuts to the vulnerable are to be made. They knew what was coming, but they stood up to be counted.
Please just take a moment hjarrs and think about my situation because I am not alone. I work for the council and have had just 1% pay rise in four years. I have also seen that every time a job is axed, other workers have to divide those tasks ontop of their already heavy load because we are often reminded times are hard...we're lucky to have our jobs and no one can be complacent. We are struggling terribly financially. Meanwhile we watch vanity projects around the city whilst general services breakdown. The rubbish collection problems are nothing compared to the chaos behind some departments doors. This rise supposedly to pay for the needy when they are squandering money on advisers and outside agencies is disgusting. We need experienced councillors who will prioritise for the good of all rather than the ideology of the few. I understand your passion but please just try to see others' reality.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JHunty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Many Labour members and voters must be truly embarrassed tonight as the Labour leader Warren Morgan and councillors have let down once more the must vulnerable in the city for political opportunism. Now you are with the Tories, eager to cut and privatise. If you have any moral fibre left you should be ripping up your membership cards! But then you would have done that when Warren Morgan would not back the Greens in protecting those in arrears due to the bedroom tax. This should have been the whole council seeking a council tax rise, all fighting to protect the services of this amazing city, sadly only the Greens stand by their principles. It was Warren Morgan and the Labour group that contributed to the cuts the city faces, by joining with their friends the Tories in voting down a 2% council tax rise, we could have avoided many cuts already made and the need to raise the council tax tax above 2%. Vote Labour get Tory. Has a good ring for May 2015.[/p][/quote]Just remind me who was it the greens asked to help them get rid of Jason Kitkat ? What principles were they standing by when they asked Labour to help them stab one of their own in the back? You claim that all parties should be united in fighting the cuts but the greens themselves are divided. The most vociferous criticism of the greens has come from other greens a fact you conveniently ignore when trying to blame the Argus for the greens unpopularity or when trying to deflect any criticism of the greens by accusing people of being part of the moanerati, a phrase that reveals more about you than those you try and use it to denigrate.[/p][/quote]The incident involving one councillor you refer to was linked to an issue of pricipal over which the Greens did split, that being the allowances issue, something dodged by Labour and the Tories and which could have bankrupted the city apparently. All parties are split, the Greens are poor at hiding them. Unlike Labour or Tory councillors, the Greens are free to vote with their conscience. A good thing I am sure you will agree. Today I was proud of the Green group that they voted unanimously for the people of Brighton and Hove to decide whether they are willing to pay a little extra to help support council services or whether cuts to the vulnerable are to be made. They knew what was coming, but they stood up to be counted.[/p][/quote]Please just take a moment hjarrs and think about my situation because I am not alone. I work for the council and have had just 1% pay rise in four years. I have also seen that every time a job is axed, other workers have to divide those tasks ontop of their already heavy load because we are often reminded times are hard...we're lucky to have our jobs and no one can be complacent. We are struggling terribly financially. Meanwhile we watch vanity projects around the city whilst general services breakdown. The rubbish collection problems are nothing compared to the chaos behind some departments doors. This rise supposedly to pay for the needy when they are squandering money on advisers and outside agencies is disgusting. We need experienced councillors who will prioritise for the good of all rather than the ideology of the few. I understand your passion but please just try to see others' reality. the red head
  • Score: 22

9:33pm Thu 16 Jan 14

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! says...

HJarrs wrote:
JHunty wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Many Labour members and voters must be truly embarrassed tonight as the Labour leader Warren Morgan and councillors have let down once more the must vulnerable in the city for political opportunism. Now you are with the Tories, eager to cut and privatise. If you have any moral fibre left you should be ripping up your membership cards! But then you would have done that when Warren Morgan would not back the Greens in protecting those in arrears due to the bedroom tax.

This should have been the whole council seeking a council tax rise, all fighting to protect the services of this amazing city, sadly only the Greens stand by their principles.

It was Warren Morgan and the Labour group that contributed to the cuts the city faces, by joining with their friends the Tories in voting down a 2% council tax rise, we could have avoided many cuts already made and the need to raise the council tax tax above 2%.

Vote Labour get Tory. Has a good ring for May 2015.
Just remind me who was it the greens asked to help them get rid of Jason Kitkat ? What principles were they standing by when they asked Labour to help them stab one of their own in the back? You claim that all parties should be united in fighting the cuts but the greens themselves are divided. The most vociferous criticism of the greens has come from other greens a fact you conveniently ignore when trying to blame the Argus for the greens unpopularity or when trying to deflect any criticism of the greens by accusing people of being part of the moanerati, a phrase that reveals more about you than those you try and use it to denigrate.
The incident involving one councillor you refer to was linked to an issue of pricipal over which the Greens did split, that being the allowances issue, something dodged by Labour and the Tories and which could have bankrupted the city apparently. All parties are split, the Greens are poor at hiding them. Unlike Labour or Tory councillors, the Greens are free to vote with their conscience. A good thing I am sure you will agree.

Today I was proud of the Green group that they voted unanimously for the people of Brighton and Hove to decide whether they are willing to pay a little extra to help support council services or whether cuts to the vulnerable are to be made. They knew what was coming, but they stood up to be counted.
HJ

I think you have finally lost the plot.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JHunty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Many Labour members and voters must be truly embarrassed tonight as the Labour leader Warren Morgan and councillors have let down once more the must vulnerable in the city for political opportunism. Now you are with the Tories, eager to cut and privatise. If you have any moral fibre left you should be ripping up your membership cards! But then you would have done that when Warren Morgan would not back the Greens in protecting those in arrears due to the bedroom tax. This should have been the whole council seeking a council tax rise, all fighting to protect the services of this amazing city, sadly only the Greens stand by their principles. It was Warren Morgan and the Labour group that contributed to the cuts the city faces, by joining with their friends the Tories in voting down a 2% council tax rise, we could have avoided many cuts already made and the need to raise the council tax tax above 2%. Vote Labour get Tory. Has a good ring for May 2015.[/p][/quote]Just remind me who was it the greens asked to help them get rid of Jason Kitkat ? What principles were they standing by when they asked Labour to help them stab one of their own in the back? You claim that all parties should be united in fighting the cuts but the greens themselves are divided. The most vociferous criticism of the greens has come from other greens a fact you conveniently ignore when trying to blame the Argus for the greens unpopularity or when trying to deflect any criticism of the greens by accusing people of being part of the moanerati, a phrase that reveals more about you than those you try and use it to denigrate.[/p][/quote]The incident involving one councillor you refer to was linked to an issue of pricipal over which the Greens did split, that being the allowances issue, something dodged by Labour and the Tories and which could have bankrupted the city apparently. All parties are split, the Greens are poor at hiding them. Unlike Labour or Tory councillors, the Greens are free to vote with their conscience. A good thing I am sure you will agree. Today I was proud of the Green group that they voted unanimously for the people of Brighton and Hove to decide whether they are willing to pay a little extra to help support council services or whether cuts to the vulnerable are to be made. They knew what was coming, but they stood up to be counted.[/p][/quote]HJ I think you have finally lost the plot. I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars!
  • Score: 13

9:35pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Ambo Guy says...

HJarrs wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Many Labour members and voters must be truly embarrassed tonight as the Labour leader Warren Morgan and councillors have let down once more the must vulnerable in the city for political opportunism. Now you are with the Tories, eager to cut and privatise. If you have any moral fibre left you should be ripping up your membership cards! But then you would have done that when Warren Morgan would not back the Greens in protecting those in arrears due to the bedroom tax.

This should have been the whole council seeking a council tax rise, all fighting to protect the services of this amazing city, sadly only the Greens stand by their principles.

It was Warren Morgan and the Labour group that contributed to the cuts the city faces, by joining with their friends the Tories in voting down a 2% council tax rise, we could have avoided many cuts already made and the need to raise the council tax tax above 2%.

Vote Labour get Tory. Has a good ring for May 2015.
A far better ring than 'greens, here to **** up your city for another few years'. Vote of no confidence is on its way. Bye bye Kitwat
Despite the wailings of the moanerati, B&H has been successful in finding efficiencies, getting external funding for transport projects in particular and avoiding the worst of the cuts despite some of the deepest government cuts. It is difficult to name a council that has cut less than Brighton and Hove. The budgets have been balanced, we have outperformed the economy and business and developers have and are investing hundreds of millions in the city.

Hardly ******* it up.

The vote of no confidence is little more than a power game by Labour. The Labour councillors clearly are more intent on power than supporting the most vulnerable in city. Like I say, vote Labour get Tory.
Whatever, We will see, Im past rising to your spin. The 'Monerati' you talk of are voters, Enough said. PS where exactly do you live again?
Brighton
You said recently that you don't live in Brighton.

So have you just moved it was this just a lie?
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Many Labour members and voters must be truly embarrassed tonight as the Labour leader Warren Morgan and councillors have let down once more the must vulnerable in the city for political opportunism. Now you are with the Tories, eager to cut and privatise. If you have any moral fibre left you should be ripping up your membership cards! But then you would have done that when Warren Morgan would not back the Greens in protecting those in arrears due to the bedroom tax. This should have been the whole council seeking a council tax rise, all fighting to protect the services of this amazing city, sadly only the Greens stand by their principles. It was Warren Morgan and the Labour group that contributed to the cuts the city faces, by joining with their friends the Tories in voting down a 2% council tax rise, we could have avoided many cuts already made and the need to raise the council tax tax above 2%. Vote Labour get Tory. Has a good ring for May 2015.[/p][/quote]A far better ring than 'greens, here to **** up your city for another few years'. Vote of no confidence is on its way. Bye bye Kitwat[/p][/quote]Despite the wailings of the moanerati, B&H has been successful in finding efficiencies, getting external funding for transport projects in particular and avoiding the worst of the cuts despite some of the deepest government cuts. It is difficult to name a council that has cut less than Brighton and Hove. The budgets have been balanced, we have outperformed the economy and business and developers have and are investing hundreds of millions in the city. Hardly ******* it up. The vote of no confidence is little more than a power game by Labour. The Labour councillors clearly are more intent on power than supporting the most vulnerable in city. Like I say, vote Labour get Tory.[/p][/quote]Whatever, We will see, Im past rising to your spin. The 'Monerati' you talk of are voters, Enough said. PS where exactly do you live again?[/p][/quote]Brighton[/p][/quote]You said recently that you don't live in Brighton. So have you just moved it was this just a lie? Ambo Guy
  • Score: 13

9:38pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Zamora25 says...

http://www.brightona
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http://www.brightona ndhovenews.org/2014/ 01/16/labour-tables- formal-vote-of-no-co nfidence-in-brighton -and-hoves-ruling-gr eens/26722 Zamora25
  • Score: 2

9:39pm Thu 16 Jan 14

HJarrs says...

Fight_Back wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Many Labour members and voters must be truly embarrassed tonight as the Labour leader Warren Morgan and councillors have let down once more the must vulnerable in the city for political opportunism. Now you are with the Tories, eager to cut and privatise. If you have any moral fibre left you should be ripping up your membership cards! But then you would have done that when Warren Morgan would not back the Greens in protecting those in arrears due to the bedroom tax.

This should have been the whole council seeking a council tax rise, all fighting to protect the services of this amazing city, sadly only the Greens stand by their principles.

It was Warren Morgan and the Labour group that contributed to the cuts the city faces, by joining with their friends the Tories in voting down a 2% council tax rise, we could have avoided many cuts already made and the need to raise the council tax tax above 2%.

Vote Labour get Tory. Has a good ring for May 2015.
A far better ring than 'greens, here to **** up your city for another few years'. Vote of no confidence is on its way. Bye bye Kitwat
Despite the wailings of the moanerati, B&H has been successful in finding efficiencies, getting external funding for transport projects in particular and avoiding the worst of the cuts despite some of the deepest government cuts. It is difficult to name a council that has cut less than Brighton and Hove. The budgets have been balanced, we have outperformed the economy and business and developers have and are investing hundreds of millions in the city.

Hardly ******* it up.

The vote of no confidence is little more than a power game by Labour. The Labour councillors clearly are more intent on power than supporting the most vulnerable in city. Like I say, vote Labour get Tory.
Fancy putting your money where your mouth is ?

I wager you £20 that this so called successful Green council will not be a Green council come May 2015.

I nominate the Robert Eaton Memorial Fund as the benefactor if I win. You can pick your own charity. We can both send out personal details to the editor of the Argus to keep our identities hidden and to ensure the loser pays up.
I do not play games with someone I have little respect for.

Who knows what will happen come May 2015. Labour are once more chasing the Daily Mail vote, promising benefit cuts, blaming immigrants. The difference between the three parties will once more be waffer thin. What happens in the national media counts way more than the Argus.

Will the good people of Brighton and Hove once more buck the national trend and vote for the only progressive party left? Nobody knows.
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Many Labour members and voters must be truly embarrassed tonight as the Labour leader Warren Morgan and councillors have let down once more the must vulnerable in the city for political opportunism. Now you are with the Tories, eager to cut and privatise. If you have any moral fibre left you should be ripping up your membership cards! But then you would have done that when Warren Morgan would not back the Greens in protecting those in arrears due to the bedroom tax. This should have been the whole council seeking a council tax rise, all fighting to protect the services of this amazing city, sadly only the Greens stand by their principles. It was Warren Morgan and the Labour group that contributed to the cuts the city faces, by joining with their friends the Tories in voting down a 2% council tax rise, we could have avoided many cuts already made and the need to raise the council tax tax above 2%. Vote Labour get Tory. Has a good ring for May 2015.[/p][/quote]A far better ring than 'greens, here to **** up your city for another few years'. Vote of no confidence is on its way. Bye bye Kitwat[/p][/quote]Despite the wailings of the moanerati, B&H has been successful in finding efficiencies, getting external funding for transport projects in particular and avoiding the worst of the cuts despite some of the deepest government cuts. It is difficult to name a council that has cut less than Brighton and Hove. The budgets have been balanced, we have outperformed the economy and business and developers have and are investing hundreds of millions in the city. Hardly ******* it up. The vote of no confidence is little more than a power game by Labour. The Labour councillors clearly are more intent on power than supporting the most vulnerable in city. Like I say, vote Labour get Tory.[/p][/quote]Fancy putting your money where your mouth is ? I wager you £20 that this so called successful Green council will not be a Green council come May 2015. I nominate the Robert Eaton Memorial Fund as the benefactor if I win. You can pick your own charity. We can both send out personal details to the editor of the Argus to keep our identities hidden and to ensure the loser pays up.[/p][/quote]I do not play games with someone I have little respect for. Who knows what will happen come May 2015. Labour are once more chasing the Daily Mail vote, promising benefit cuts, blaming immigrants. The difference between the three parties will once more be waffer thin. What happens in the national media counts way more than the Argus. Will the good people of Brighton and Hove once more buck the national trend and vote for the only progressive party left? Nobody knows. HJarrs
  • Score: -25

9:43pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Brighton1000 says...

HJarrs wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Many Labour members and voters must be truly embarrassed tonight as the Labour leader Warren Morgan and councillors have let down once more the must vulnerable in the city for political opportunism. Now you are with the Tories, eager to cut and privatise. If you have any moral fibre left you should be ripping up your membership cards! But then you would have done that when Warren Morgan would not back the Greens in protecting those in arrears due to the bedroom tax.

This should have been the whole council seeking a council tax rise, all fighting to protect the services of this amazing city, sadly only the Greens stand by their principles.

It was Warren Morgan and the Labour group that contributed to the cuts the city faces, by joining with their friends the Tories in voting down a 2% council tax rise, we could have avoided many cuts already made and the need to raise the council tax tax above 2%.

Vote Labour get Tory. Has a good ring for May 2015.
A far better ring than 'greens, here to **** up your city for another few years'. Vote of no confidence is on its way. Bye bye Kitwat
Despite the wailings of the moanerati, B&H has been successful in finding efficiencies, getting external funding for transport projects in particular and avoiding the worst of the cuts despite some of the deepest government cuts. It is difficult to name a council that has cut less than Brighton and Hove. The budgets have been balanced, we have outperformed the economy and business and developers have and are investing hundreds of millions in the city.

Hardly ******* it up.

The vote of no confidence is little more than a power game by Labour. The Labour councillors clearly are more intent on power than supporting the most vulnerable in city. Like I say, vote Labour get Tory.
Fancy putting your money where your mouth is ?

I wager you £20 that this so called successful Green council will not be a Green council come May 2015.

I nominate the Robert Eaton Memorial Fund as the benefactor if I win. You can pick your own charity. We can both send out personal details to the editor of the Argus to keep our identities hidden and to ensure the loser pays up.
I do not play games with someone I have little respect for.

Who knows what will happen come May 2015. Labour are once more chasing the Daily Mail vote, promising benefit cuts, blaming immigrants. The difference between the three parties will once more be waffer thin. What happens in the national media counts way more than the Argus.

Will the good people of Brighton and Hove once more buck the national trend and vote for the only progressive party left? Nobody knows.
I believe you do really know what around the corner, And you are paid to try and bring some kind of positive PR to a failing party. You have the worst job in the world my friend, you are defending the indefensible. Just give it up, seriously
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Many Labour members and voters must be truly embarrassed tonight as the Labour leader Warren Morgan and councillors have let down once more the must vulnerable in the city for political opportunism. Now you are with the Tories, eager to cut and privatise. If you have any moral fibre left you should be ripping up your membership cards! But then you would have done that when Warren Morgan would not back the Greens in protecting those in arrears due to the bedroom tax. This should have been the whole council seeking a council tax rise, all fighting to protect the services of this amazing city, sadly only the Greens stand by their principles. It was Warren Morgan and the Labour group that contributed to the cuts the city faces, by joining with their friends the Tories in voting down a 2% council tax rise, we could have avoided many cuts already made and the need to raise the council tax tax above 2%. Vote Labour get Tory. Has a good ring for May 2015.[/p][/quote]A far better ring than 'greens, here to **** up your city for another few years'. Vote of no confidence is on its way. Bye bye Kitwat[/p][/quote]Despite the wailings of the moanerati, B&H has been successful in finding efficiencies, getting external funding for transport projects in particular and avoiding the worst of the cuts despite some of the deepest government cuts. It is difficult to name a council that has cut less than Brighton and Hove. The budgets have been balanced, we have outperformed the economy and business and developers have and are investing hundreds of millions in the city. Hardly ******* it up. The vote of no confidence is little more than a power game by Labour. The Labour councillors clearly are more intent on power than supporting the most vulnerable in city. Like I say, vote Labour get Tory.[/p][/quote]Fancy putting your money where your mouth is ? I wager you £20 that this so called successful Green council will not be a Green council come May 2015. I nominate the Robert Eaton Memorial Fund as the benefactor if I win. You can pick your own charity. We can both send out personal details to the editor of the Argus to keep our identities hidden and to ensure the loser pays up.[/p][/quote]I do not play games with someone I have little respect for. Who knows what will happen come May 2015. Labour are once more chasing the Daily Mail vote, promising benefit cuts, blaming immigrants. The difference between the three parties will once more be waffer thin. What happens in the national media counts way more than the Argus. Will the good people of Brighton and Hove once more buck the national trend and vote for the only progressive party left? Nobody knows.[/p][/quote]I believe you do really know what around the corner, And you are paid to try and bring some kind of positive PR to a failing party. You have the worst job in the world my friend, you are defending the indefensible. Just give it up, seriously Brighton1000
  • Score: 24

9:44pm Thu 16 Jan 14

what's going on says...

This is the last desperate throw of the Green Leadership, they know that they are third in the polls and are set to loose badly at the election. This is a brave attempt to turn the tables and attempt to position themselves as the anti austerity party.
Labour is in a difficult position they can't support the Green initiative as if they did they might as well cease to exist, if the Greens had really wanted them on board they would have sorted a deal before the announcement and had it as a joint initiative. This makes it obvious that the Greens are playing politics.
The interesting question would be why this is their second try at the budget rather than their first, what has changed?
This is the last desperate throw of the Green Leadership, they know that they are third in the polls and are set to loose badly at the election. This is a brave attempt to turn the tables and attempt to position themselves as the anti austerity party. Labour is in a difficult position they can't support the Green initiative as if they did they might as well cease to exist, if the Greens had really wanted them on board they would have sorted a deal before the announcement and had it as a joint initiative. This makes it obvious that the Greens are playing politics. The interesting question would be why this is their second try at the budget rather than their first, what has changed? what's going on
  • Score: 15

9:46pm Thu 16 Jan 14

sometingsarejustwr0ng says...

I've pretended to befriend a blind man in the bedsit next door to me. He collects pennies in a jar. I go in to chat with him and every time I nick a few pennies from his jar. it's great fun. I just love making other people miserable - it is the only way I can feel good about myself.
I've pretended to befriend a blind man in the bedsit next door to me. He collects pennies in a jar. I go in to chat with him and every time I nick a few pennies from his jar. it's great fun. I just love making other people miserable - it is the only way I can feel good about myself. sometingsarejustwr0ng
  • Score: 0

9:46pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Brighton1000 says...

HJarrs wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Many Labour members and voters must be truly embarrassed tonight as the Labour leader Warren Morgan and councillors have let down once more the must vulnerable in the city for political opportunism. Now you are with the Tories, eager to cut and privatise. If you have any moral fibre left you should be ripping up your membership cards! But then you would have done that when Warren Morgan would not back the Greens in protecting those in arrears due to the bedroom tax.

This should have been the whole council seeking a council tax rise, all fighting to protect the services of this amazing city, sadly only the Greens stand by their principles.

It was Warren Morgan and the Labour group that contributed to the cuts the city faces, by joining with their friends the Tories in voting down a 2% council tax rise, we could have avoided many cuts already made and the need to raise the council tax tax above 2%.

Vote Labour get Tory. Has a good ring for May 2015.
A far better ring than 'greens, here to **** up your city for another few years'. Vote of no confidence is on its way. Bye bye Kitwat
Despite the wailings of the moanerati, B&H has been successful in finding efficiencies, getting external funding for transport projects in particular and avoiding the worst of the cuts despite some of the deepest government cuts. It is difficult to name a council that has cut less than Brighton and Hove. The budgets have been balanced, we have outperformed the economy and business and developers have and are investing hundreds of millions in the city.

Hardly ******* it up.

The vote of no confidence is little more than a power game by Labour. The Labour councillors clearly are more intent on power than supporting the most vulnerable in city. Like I say, vote Labour get Tory.
Fancy putting your money where your mouth is ?

I wager you £20 that this so called successful Green council will not be a Green council come May 2015.

I nominate the Robert Eaton Memorial Fund as the benefactor if I win. You can pick your own charity. We can both send out personal details to the editor of the Argus to keep our identities hidden and to ensure the loser pays up.
I do not play games with someone I have little respect for.

Who knows what will happen come May 2015. Labour are once more chasing the Daily Mail vote, promising benefit cuts, blaming immigrants. The difference between the three parties will once more be waffer thin. What happens in the national media counts way more than the Argus.

Will the good people of Brighton and Hove once more buck the national trend and vote for the only progressive party left? Nobody knows.
What happens in National media doesnt represent the Brighton voters, Or am I wrong? Your credibility is non existent pal. Why do you bother?
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Many Labour members and voters must be truly embarrassed tonight as the Labour leader Warren Morgan and councillors have let down once more the must vulnerable in the city for political opportunism. Now you are with the Tories, eager to cut and privatise. If you have any moral fibre left you should be ripping up your membership cards! But then you would have done that when Warren Morgan would not back the Greens in protecting those in arrears due to the bedroom tax. This should have been the whole council seeking a council tax rise, all fighting to protect the services of this amazing city, sadly only the Greens stand by their principles. It was Warren Morgan and the Labour group that contributed to the cuts the city faces, by joining with their friends the Tories in voting down a 2% council tax rise, we could have avoided many cuts already made and the need to raise the council tax tax above 2%. Vote Labour get Tory. Has a good ring for May 2015.[/p][/quote]A far better ring than 'greens, here to **** up your city for another few years'. Vote of no confidence is on its way. Bye bye Kitwat[/p][/quote]Despite the wailings of the moanerati, B&H has been successful in finding efficiencies, getting external funding for transport projects in particular and avoiding the worst of the cuts despite some of the deepest government cuts. It is difficult to name a council that has cut less than Brighton and Hove. The budgets have been balanced, we have outperformed the economy and business and developers have and are investing hundreds of millions in the city. Hardly ******* it up. The vote of no confidence is little more than a power game by Labour. The Labour councillors clearly are more intent on power than supporting the most vulnerable in city. Like I say, vote Labour get Tory.[/p][/quote]Fancy putting your money where your mouth is ? I wager you £20 that this so called successful Green council will not be a Green council come May 2015. I nominate the Robert Eaton Memorial Fund as the benefactor if I win. You can pick your own charity. We can both send out personal details to the editor of the Argus to keep our identities hidden and to ensure the loser pays up.[/p][/quote]I do not play games with someone I have little respect for. Who knows what will happen come May 2015. Labour are once more chasing the Daily Mail vote, promising benefit cuts, blaming immigrants. The difference between the three parties will once more be waffer thin. What happens in the national media counts way more than the Argus. Will the good people of Brighton and Hove once more buck the national trend and vote for the only progressive party left? Nobody knows.[/p][/quote]What happens in National media doesnt represent the Brighton voters, Or am I wrong? Your credibility is non existent pal. Why do you bother? Brighton1000
  • Score: 13

9:47pm Thu 16 Jan 14

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! says...

the red head wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
JHunty wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Many Labour members and voters must be truly embarrassed tonight as the Labour leader Warren Morgan and councillors have let down once more the must vulnerable in the city for political opportunism. Now you are with the Tories, eager to cut and privatise. If you have any moral fibre left you should be ripping up your membership cards! But then you would have done that when Warren Morgan would not back the Greens in protecting those in arrears due to the bedroom tax.

This should have been the whole council seeking a council tax rise, all fighting to protect the services of this amazing city, sadly only the Greens stand by their principles.

It was Warren Morgan and the Labour group that contributed to the cuts the city faces, by joining with their friends the Tories in voting down a 2% council tax rise, we could have avoided many cuts already made and the need to raise the council tax tax above 2%.

Vote Labour get Tory. Has a good ring for May 2015.
Just remind me who was it the greens asked to help them get rid of Jason Kitkat ? What principles were they standing by when they asked Labour to help them stab one of their own in the back? You claim that all parties should be united in fighting the cuts but the greens themselves are divided. The most vociferous criticism of the greens has come from other greens a fact you conveniently ignore when trying to blame the Argus for the greens unpopularity or when trying to deflect any criticism of the greens by accusing people of being part of the moanerati, a phrase that reveals more about you than those you try and use it to denigrate.
The incident involving one councillor you refer to was linked to an issue of pricipal over which the Greens did split, that being the allowances issue, something dodged by Labour and the Tories and which could have bankrupted the city apparently. All parties are split, the Greens are poor at hiding them. Unlike Labour or Tory councillors, the Greens are free to vote with their conscience. A good thing I am sure you will agree.

Today I was proud of the Green group that they voted unanimously for the people of Brighton and Hove to decide whether they are willing to pay a little extra to help support council services or whether cuts to the vulnerable are to be made. They knew what was coming, but they stood up to be counted.
Please just take a moment hjarrs and think about my situation because I am not alone. I work for the council and have had just 1% pay rise in four years. I have also seen that every time a job is axed, other workers have to divide those tasks ontop of their already heavy load because we are often reminded times are hard...we're lucky to have our jobs and no one can be complacent. We are struggling terribly financially. Meanwhile we watch vanity projects around the city whilst general services breakdown. The rubbish collection problems are nothing compared to the chaos behind some departments doors. This rise supposedly to pay for the needy when they are squandering money on advisers and outside agencies is disgusting. We need experienced councillors who will prioritise for the good of all rather than the ideology of the few. I understand your passion but please just try to see others' reality.
HJ

Most of the posters are raising massively relevant points. I suspect we have to come clean and let them know we are Marxist theorists with inherited wealth and are hell bent on destroying Brighton.

Shall we tell them the truth?
[quote][p][bold]the red head[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JHunty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Many Labour members and voters must be truly embarrassed tonight as the Labour leader Warren Morgan and councillors have let down once more the must vulnerable in the city for political opportunism. Now you are with the Tories, eager to cut and privatise. If you have any moral fibre left you should be ripping up your membership cards! But then you would have done that when Warren Morgan would not back the Greens in protecting those in arrears due to the bedroom tax. This should have been the whole council seeking a council tax rise, all fighting to protect the services of this amazing city, sadly only the Greens stand by their principles. It was Warren Morgan and the Labour group that contributed to the cuts the city faces, by joining with their friends the Tories in voting down a 2% council tax rise, we could have avoided many cuts already made and the need to raise the council tax tax above 2%. Vote Labour get Tory. Has a good ring for May 2015.[/p][/quote]Just remind me who was it the greens asked to help them get rid of Jason Kitkat ? What principles were they standing by when they asked Labour to help them stab one of their own in the back? You claim that all parties should be united in fighting the cuts but the greens themselves are divided. The most vociferous criticism of the greens has come from other greens a fact you conveniently ignore when trying to blame the Argus for the greens unpopularity or when trying to deflect any criticism of the greens by accusing people of being part of the moanerati, a phrase that reveals more about you than those you try and use it to denigrate.[/p][/quote]The incident involving one councillor you refer to was linked to an issue of pricipal over which the Greens did split, that being the allowances issue, something dodged by Labour and the Tories and which could have bankrupted the city apparently. All parties are split, the Greens are poor at hiding them. Unlike Labour or Tory councillors, the Greens are free to vote with their conscience. A good thing I am sure you will agree. Today I was proud of the Green group that they voted unanimously for the people of Brighton and Hove to decide whether they are willing to pay a little extra to help support council services or whether cuts to the vulnerable are to be made. They knew what was coming, but they stood up to be counted.[/p][/quote]Please just take a moment hjarrs and think about my situation because I am not alone. I work for the council and have had just 1% pay rise in four years. I have also seen that every time a job is axed, other workers have to divide those tasks ontop of their already heavy load because we are often reminded times are hard...we're lucky to have our jobs and no one can be complacent. We are struggling terribly financially. Meanwhile we watch vanity projects around the city whilst general services breakdown. The rubbish collection problems are nothing compared to the chaos behind some departments doors. This rise supposedly to pay for the needy when they are squandering money on advisers and outside agencies is disgusting. We need experienced councillors who will prioritise for the good of all rather than the ideology of the few. I understand your passion but please just try to see others' reality.[/p][/quote]HJ Most of the posters are raising massively relevant points. I suspect we have to come clean and let them know we are Marxist theorists with inherited wealth and are hell bent on destroying Brighton. Shall we tell them the truth? I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars!
  • Score: 17

9:47pm Thu 16 Jan 14

HJarrs says...

the red head wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
JHunty wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Many Labour members and voters must be truly embarrassed tonight as the Labour leader Warren Morgan and councillors have let down once more the must vulnerable in the city for political opportunism. Now you are with the Tories, eager to cut and privatise. If you have any moral fibre left you should be ripping up your membership cards! But then you would have done that when Warren Morgan would not back the Greens in protecting those in arrears due to the bedroom tax.

This should have been the whole council seeking a council tax rise, all fighting to protect the services of this amazing city, sadly only the Greens stand by their principles.

It was Warren Morgan and the Labour group that contributed to the cuts the city faces, by joining with their friends the Tories in voting down a 2% council tax rise, we could have avoided many cuts already made and the need to raise the council tax tax above 2%.

Vote Labour get Tory. Has a good ring for May 2015.
Just remind me who was it the greens asked to help them get rid of Jason Kitkat ? What principles were they standing by when they asked Labour to help them stab one of their own in the back? You claim that all parties should be united in fighting the cuts but the greens themselves are divided. The most vociferous criticism of the greens has come from other greens a fact you conveniently ignore when trying to blame the Argus for the greens unpopularity or when trying to deflect any criticism of the greens by accusing people of being part of the moanerati, a phrase that reveals more about you than those you try and use it to denigrate.
The incident involving one councillor you refer to was linked to an issue of pricipal over which the Greens did split, that being the allowances issue, something dodged by Labour and the Tories and which could have bankrupted the city apparently. All parties are split, the Greens are poor at hiding them. Unlike Labour or Tory councillors, the Greens are free to vote with their conscience. A good thing I am sure you will agree.

Today I was proud of the Green group that they voted unanimously for the people of Brighton and Hove to decide whether they are willing to pay a little extra to help support council services or whether cuts to the vulnerable are to be made. They knew what was coming, but they stood up to be counted.
Please just take a moment hjarrs and think about my situation because I am not alone. I work for the council and have had just 1% pay rise in four years. I have also seen that every time a job is axed, other workers have to divide those tasks ontop of their already heavy load because we are often reminded times are hard...we're lucky to have our jobs and no one can be complacent. We are struggling terribly financially. Meanwhile we watch vanity projects around the city whilst general services breakdown. The rubbish collection problems are nothing compared to the chaos behind some departments doors. This rise supposedly to pay for the needy when they are squandering money on advisers and outside agencies is disgusting. We need experienced councillors who will prioritise for the good of all rather than the ideology of the few. I understand your passion but please just try to see others' reality.
Working for the council you should well know that Labour, when in last time had more to spend and delivered less. Same (worse) with the Tories. All apparently experienced councillors. You will also know that there is a dreadful regime of ideologically driven government cuts that are devastating local government; libraries, care homes and social services etc are being cut and cut and cut again. Thousands laid off. Brighton and Hove has so far weathered the storm better than most. If the Greens are replaced or the referendum proposal to raise council tax is defeated, then that will result in lower council revenues, perhaps you can tell me how this will aid your predicament? You may not have the luxury of a job at all!
[quote][p][bold]the red head[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JHunty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Many Labour members and voters must be truly embarrassed tonight as the Labour leader Warren Morgan and councillors have let down once more the must vulnerable in the city for political opportunism. Now you are with the Tories, eager to cut and privatise. If you have any moral fibre left you should be ripping up your membership cards! But then you would have done that when Warren Morgan would not back the Greens in protecting those in arrears due to the bedroom tax. This should have been the whole council seeking a council tax rise, all fighting to protect the services of this amazing city, sadly only the Greens stand by their principles. It was Warren Morgan and the Labour group that contributed to the cuts the city faces, by joining with their friends the Tories in voting down a 2% council tax rise, we could have avoided many cuts already made and the need to raise the council tax tax above 2%. Vote Labour get Tory. Has a good ring for May 2015.[/p][/quote]Just remind me who was it the greens asked to help them get rid of Jason Kitkat ? What principles were they standing by when they asked Labour to help them stab one of their own in the back? You claim that all parties should be united in fighting the cuts but the greens themselves are divided. The most vociferous criticism of the greens has come from other greens a fact you conveniently ignore when trying to blame the Argus for the greens unpopularity or when trying to deflect any criticism of the greens by accusing people of being part of the moanerati, a phrase that reveals more about you than those you try and use it to denigrate.[/p][/quote]The incident involving one councillor you refer to was linked to an issue of pricipal over which the Greens did split, that being the allowances issue, something dodged by Labour and the Tories and which could have bankrupted the city apparently. All parties are split, the Greens are poor at hiding them. Unlike Labour or Tory councillors, the Greens are free to vote with their conscience. A good thing I am sure you will agree. Today I was proud of the Green group that they voted unanimously for the people of Brighton and Hove to decide whether they are willing to pay a little extra to help support council services or whether cuts to the vulnerable are to be made. They knew what was coming, but they stood up to be counted.[/p][/quote]Please just take a moment hjarrs and think about my situation because I am not alone. I work for the council and have had just 1% pay rise in four years. I have also seen that every time a job is axed, other workers have to divide those tasks ontop of their already heavy load because we are often reminded times are hard...we're lucky to have our jobs and no one can be complacent. We are struggling terribly financially. Meanwhile we watch vanity projects around the city whilst general services breakdown. The rubbish collection problems are nothing compared to the chaos behind some departments doors. This rise supposedly to pay for the needy when they are squandering money on advisers and outside agencies is disgusting. We need experienced councillors who will prioritise for the good of all rather than the ideology of the few. I understand your passion but please just try to see others' reality.[/p][/quote]Working for the council you should well know that Labour, when in last time had more to spend and delivered less. Same (worse) with the Tories. All apparently experienced councillors. You will also know that there is a dreadful regime of ideologically driven government cuts that are devastating local government; libraries, care homes and social services etc are being cut and cut and cut again. Thousands laid off. Brighton and Hove has so far weathered the storm better than most. If the Greens are replaced or the referendum proposal to raise council tax is defeated, then that will result in lower council revenues, perhaps you can tell me how this will aid your predicament? You may not have the luxury of a job at all! HJarrs
  • Score: -19

9:53pm Thu 16 Jan 14

HJarrs says...

what's going on wrote:
This is the last desperate throw of the Green Leadership, they know that they are third in the polls and are set to loose badly at the election. This is a brave attempt to turn the tables and attempt to position themselves as the anti austerity party.
Labour is in a difficult position they can't support the Green initiative as if they did they might as well cease to exist, if the Greens had really wanted them on board they would have sorted a deal before the announcement and had it as a joint initiative. This makes it obvious that the Greens are playing politics.
The interesting question would be why this is their second try at the budget rather than their first, what has changed?
The Labour councillors would probably be expelled from their party for supporting the Greens (very democratic party Labour!). I wouldn't take this likely. But it requires backbone and conviction sometimes when you are a politician and they haven't got it. Instead they will side with the Tories, which demonstrates how politically to the right they have drifted and how populist they are. Sad but true.

Vote Labour get Tory.
[quote][p][bold]what's going on[/bold] wrote: This is the last desperate throw of the Green Leadership, they know that they are third in the polls and are set to loose badly at the election. This is a brave attempt to turn the tables and attempt to position themselves as the anti austerity party. Labour is in a difficult position they can't support the Green initiative as if they did they might as well cease to exist, if the Greens had really wanted them on board they would have sorted a deal before the announcement and had it as a joint initiative. This makes it obvious that the Greens are playing politics. The interesting question would be why this is their second try at the budget rather than their first, what has changed?[/p][/quote]The Labour councillors would probably be expelled from their party for supporting the Greens (very democratic party Labour!). I wouldn't take this likely. But it requires backbone and conviction sometimes when you are a politician and they haven't got it. Instead they will side with the Tories, which demonstrates how politically to the right they have drifted and how populist they are. Sad but true. Vote Labour get Tory. HJarrs
  • Score: -21

9:56pm Thu 16 Jan 14

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! says...

HJarrs wrote:
the red head wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
JHunty wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Many Labour members and voters must be truly embarrassed tonight as the Labour leader Warren Morgan and councillors have let down once more the must vulnerable in the city for political opportunism. Now you are with the Tories, eager to cut and privatise. If you have any moral fibre left you should be ripping up your membership cards! But then you would have done that when Warren Morgan would not back the Greens in protecting those in arrears due to the bedroom tax.

This should have been the whole council seeking a council tax rise, all fighting to protect the services of this amazing city, sadly only the Greens stand by their principles.

It was Warren Morgan and the Labour group that contributed to the cuts the city faces, by joining with their friends the Tories in voting down a 2% council tax rise, we could have avoided many cuts already made and the need to raise the council tax tax above 2%.

Vote Labour get Tory. Has a good ring for May 2015.
Just remind me who was it the greens asked to help them get rid of Jason Kitkat ? What principles were they standing by when they asked Labour to help them stab one of their own in the back? You claim that all parties should be united in fighting the cuts but the greens themselves are divided. The most vociferous criticism of the greens has come from other greens a fact you conveniently ignore when trying to blame the Argus for the greens unpopularity or when trying to deflect any criticism of the greens by accusing people of being part of the moanerati, a phrase that reveals more about you than those you try and use it to denigrate.
The incident involving one councillor you refer to was linked to an issue of pricipal over which the Greens did split, that being the allowances issue, something dodged by Labour and the Tories and which could have bankrupted the city apparently. All parties are split, the Greens are poor at hiding them. Unlike Labour or Tory councillors, the Greens are free to vote with their conscience. A good thing I am sure you will agree.

Today I was proud of the Green group that they voted unanimously for the people of Brighton and Hove to decide whether they are willing to pay a little extra to help support council services or whether cuts to the vulnerable are to be made. They knew what was coming, but they stood up to be counted.
Please just take a moment hjarrs and think about my situation because I am not alone. I work for the council and have had just 1% pay rise in four years. I have also seen that every time a job is axed, other workers have to divide those tasks ontop of their already heavy load because we are often reminded times are hard...we're lucky to have our jobs and no one can be complacent. We are struggling terribly financially. Meanwhile we watch vanity projects around the city whilst general services breakdown. The rubbish collection problems are nothing compared to the chaos behind some departments doors. This rise supposedly to pay for the needy when they are squandering money on advisers and outside agencies is disgusting. We need experienced councillors who will prioritise for the good of all rather than the ideology of the few. I understand your passion but please just try to see others' reality.
Working for the council you should well know that Labour, when in last time had more to spend and delivered less. Same (worse) with the Tories. All apparently experienced councillors. You will also know that there is a dreadful regime of ideologically driven government cuts that are devastating local government; libraries, care homes and social services etc are being cut and cut and cut again. Thousands laid off. Brighton and Hove has so far weathered the storm better than most. If the Greens are replaced or the referendum proposal to raise council tax is defeated, then that will result in lower council revenues, perhaps you can tell me how this will aid your predicament? You may not have the luxury of a job at all!
HJ

It feels like we are heading to the end game. We have been found out (really found out) and its time to bale. Will you be taking a few months somewhere warm, or heading to Grandma's estate for a break?
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the red head[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JHunty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Many Labour members and voters must be truly embarrassed tonight as the Labour leader Warren Morgan and councillors have let down once more the must vulnerable in the city for political opportunism. Now you are with the Tories, eager to cut and privatise. If you have any moral fibre left you should be ripping up your membership cards! But then you would have done that when Warren Morgan would not back the Greens in protecting those in arrears due to the bedroom tax. This should have been the whole council seeking a council tax rise, all fighting to protect the services of this amazing city, sadly only the Greens stand by their principles. It was Warren Morgan and the Labour group that contributed to the cuts the city faces, by joining with their friends the Tories in voting down a 2% council tax rise, we could have avoided many cuts already made and the need to raise the council tax tax above 2%. Vote Labour get Tory. Has a good ring for May 2015.[/p][/quote]Just remind me who was it the greens asked to help them get rid of Jason Kitkat ? What principles were they standing by when they asked Labour to help them stab one of their own in the back? You claim that all parties should be united in fighting the cuts but the greens themselves are divided. The most vociferous criticism of the greens has come from other greens a fact you conveniently ignore when trying to blame the Argus for the greens unpopularity or when trying to deflect any criticism of the greens by accusing people of being part of the moanerati, a phrase that reveals more about you than those you try and use it to denigrate.[/p][/quote]The incident involving one councillor you refer to was linked to an issue of pricipal over which the Greens did split, that being the allowances issue, something dodged by Labour and the Tories and which could have bankrupted the city apparently. All parties are split, the Greens are poor at hiding them. Unlike Labour or Tory councillors, the Greens are free to vote with their conscience. A good thing I am sure you will agree. Today I was proud of the Green group that they voted unanimously for the people of Brighton and Hove to decide whether they are willing to pay a little extra to help support council services or whether cuts to the vulnerable are to be made. They knew what was coming, but they stood up to be counted.[/p][/quote]Please just take a moment hjarrs and think about my situation because I am not alone. I work for the council and have had just 1% pay rise in four years. I have also seen that every time a job is axed, other workers have to divide those tasks ontop of their already heavy load because we are often reminded times are hard...we're lucky to have our jobs and no one can be complacent. We are struggling terribly financially. Meanwhile we watch vanity projects around the city whilst general services breakdown. The rubbish collection problems are nothing compared to the chaos behind some departments doors. This rise supposedly to pay for the needy when they are squandering money on advisers and outside agencies is disgusting. We need experienced councillors who will prioritise for the good of all rather than the ideology of the few. I understand your passion but please just try to see others' reality.[/p][/quote]Working for the council you should well know that Labour, when in last time had more to spend and delivered less. Same (worse) with the Tories. All apparently experienced councillors. You will also know that there is a dreadful regime of ideologically driven government cuts that are devastating local government; libraries, care homes and social services etc are being cut and cut and cut again. Thousands laid off. Brighton and Hove has so far weathered the storm better than most. If the Greens are replaced or the referendum proposal to raise council tax is defeated, then that will result in lower council revenues, perhaps you can tell me how this will aid your predicament? You may not have the luxury of a job at all![/p][/quote]HJ It feels like we are heading to the end game. We have been found out (really found out) and its time to bale. Will you be taking a few months somewhere warm, or heading to Grandma's estate for a break? I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars!
  • Score: 21

9:59pm Thu 16 Jan 14

straightasadye says...

With inflation running at 2% and wage and pension increases limited to less than 1% there is no justification in the Greens proposal to raise council tax by 4.75%, to squander on the same inane and inept governance we've witnessed since they were handed the reigns. Of course anyone with a brain just half the size of peanut knows there is not a hope in hell the electorate will give the nod to an increase above 2%, and it says much about the IQ of the council leader if he believes the electorate will give the nod to a 4.75 increase, and illustrates why the council is strapped for cash when £230 thousand pounds is going to be "murdered" on holding a referendum. This nothing short of maladministration, a venture that no underwriter would entertain. Therefore, members of the council proposing the referendum can in law be ordered to pay all the costs from out their own pockets, after the electorate gives a thumping thumbs down to the proposal. No doubt their best friends the travellers whom they throw 'our' money at like confetti would if they could support the increase. Cut your cloth accordingly Jason Kitcat, be sensible, take notice of public opinion and don't murder another £230k of our money on a referendum you cannot possibly win, and bookmakers offer 150/1 against you winning.
With inflation running at 2% and wage and pension increases limited to less than 1% there is no justification in the Greens proposal to raise council tax by 4.75%, to squander on the same inane and inept governance we've witnessed since they were handed the reigns. Of course anyone with a brain just half the size of peanut knows there is not a hope in hell the electorate will give the nod to an increase above 2%, and it says much about the IQ of the council leader if he believes the electorate will give the nod to a 4.75 increase, and illustrates why the council is strapped for cash when £230 thousand pounds is going to be "murdered" on holding a referendum. This nothing short of maladministration, a venture that no underwriter would entertain. Therefore, members of the council proposing the referendum can in law be ordered to pay all the costs from out their own pockets, after the electorate gives a thumping thumbs down to the proposal. No doubt their best friends the travellers whom they throw 'our' money at like confetti would if they could support the increase. Cut your cloth accordingly Jason Kitcat, be sensible, take notice of public opinion and don't murder another £230k of our money on a referendum you cannot possibly win, and bookmakers offer 150/1 against you winning. straightasadye
  • Score: 25

10:03pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Withdean-er says...

All the kind comments here about the vulnerable and caring Greens (unlike those 'evil' Labour / LibDems / Conservatives), give a completely false impression that council tax goes straight to the vulnerable. As pointed out, there will be many immensely well paid local government employees paid out of council tax in the City, there are council infrastructure and repairs budgets where contractors lick their lips at getting some of the cash at great profit margins (not guessing here, I know) from naively priced high contracts, and we have to fund high paid sick leave in the public sector always historically at double the level of private sector, and now the referendum must be paid for.

The 'vulnerable' tag, also ignores the many 10,000's in Brighton on modest pay who already find finances a struggle, but pay their council tax, and added to above inflation increases in the cost of food, water, petrol, over the last 15 years, are now expected to cough up even more Council Tax.
All the kind comments here about the vulnerable and caring Greens (unlike those 'evil' Labour / LibDems / Conservatives), give a completely false impression that council tax goes straight to the vulnerable. As pointed out, there will be many immensely well paid local government employees paid out of council tax in the City, there are council infrastructure and repairs budgets where contractors lick their lips at getting some of the cash at great profit margins (not guessing here, I know) from naively priced high contracts, and we have to fund high paid sick leave in the public sector always historically at double the level of private sector, and now the referendum must be paid for. The 'vulnerable' tag, also ignores the many 10,000's in Brighton on modest pay who already find finances a struggle, but pay their council tax, and added to above inflation increases in the cost of food, water, petrol, over the last 15 years, are now expected to cough up even more Council Tax. Withdean-er
  • Score: 20

10:04pm Thu 16 Jan 14

HJarrs says...

The Argus may wish to clarify their article. The referendum according to several sources is dependent upon other parties supporting or abstaining on the proposal. It also looks like a budget has been proposed, so it will be a clear choice of the cuts to be made or raising of council tax. I say Labour and the Tories should support the proposal for a referendum and trust the people of Brighton and Hove.
The Argus may wish to clarify their article. The referendum according to several sources is dependent upon other parties supporting or abstaining on the proposal. It also looks like a budget has been proposed, so it will be a clear choice of the cuts to be made or raising of council tax. I say Labour and the Tories should support the proposal for a referendum and trust the people of Brighton and Hove. HJarrs
  • Score: -19

10:10pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Brighton1000 says...

HJarrs wrote:
The Argus may wish to clarify their article. The referendum according to several sources is dependent upon other parties supporting or abstaining on the proposal. It also looks like a budget has been proposed, so it will be a clear choice of the cuts to be made or raising of council tax. I say Labour and the Tories should support the proposal for a referendum and trust the people of Brighton and Hove.
Isnt making these decisions what we are supposed to trust our elected council to do, in our best interests? This stinks of defeat to me
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: The Argus may wish to clarify their article. The referendum according to several sources is dependent upon other parties supporting or abstaining on the proposal. It also looks like a budget has been proposed, so it will be a clear choice of the cuts to be made or raising of council tax. I say Labour and the Tories should support the proposal for a referendum and trust the people of Brighton and Hove.[/p][/quote]Isnt making these decisions what we are supposed to trust our elected council to do, in our best interests? This stinks of defeat to me Brighton1000
  • Score: 16

10:11pm Thu 16 Jan 14

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! says...

HJarrs wrote:
The Argus may wish to clarify their article. The referendum according to several sources is dependent upon other parties supporting or abstaining on the proposal. It also looks like a budget has been proposed, so it will be a clear choice of the cuts to be made or raising of council tax. I say Labour and the Tories should support the proposal for a referendum and trust the people of Brighton and Hove.
HJ

I thought you would be on a plane by now?

Its all over
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: The Argus may wish to clarify their article. The referendum according to several sources is dependent upon other parties supporting or abstaining on the proposal. It also looks like a budget has been proposed, so it will be a clear choice of the cuts to be made or raising of council tax. I say Labour and the Tories should support the proposal for a referendum and trust the people of Brighton and Hove.[/p][/quote]HJ I thought you would be on a plane by now? Its all over I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars!
  • Score: 17

10:23pm Thu 16 Jan 14

deve says...

Let the greens have the referendum. Waste £200k +, and loose the vote. This will seal the Greens fate not just in Brighton, but UK wide. Right - now the Greens are history lets argue about Labour, con/dems and UKIP and how they can fail us.
Let the greens have the referendum. Waste £200k +, and loose the vote. This will seal the Greens fate not just in Brighton, but UK wide. Right - now the Greens are history lets argue about Labour, con/dems and UKIP and how they can fail us. deve
  • Score: 18

10:23pm Thu 16 Jan 14

the red head says...

HJarrs wrote:
the red head wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
JHunty wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Many Labour members and voters must be truly embarrassed tonight as the Labour leader Warren Morgan and councillors have let down once more the must vulnerable in the city for political opportunism. Now you are with the Tories, eager to cut and privatise. If you have any moral fibre left you should be ripping up your membership cards! But then you would have done that when Warren Morgan would not back the Greens in protecting those in arrears due to the bedroom tax.

This should have been the whole council seeking a council tax rise, all fighting to protect the services of this amazing city, sadly only the Greens stand by their principles.

It was Warren Morgan and the Labour group that contributed to the cuts the city faces, by joining with their friends the Tories in voting down a 2% council tax rise, we could have avoided many cuts already made and the need to raise the council tax tax above 2%.

Vote Labour get Tory. Has a good ring for May 2015.
Just remind me who was it the greens asked to help them get rid of Jason Kitkat ? What principles were they standing by when they asked Labour to help them stab one of their own in the back? You claim that all parties should be united in fighting the cuts but the greens themselves are divided. The most vociferous criticism of the greens has come from other greens a fact you conveniently ignore when trying to blame the Argus for the greens unpopularity or when trying to deflect any criticism of the greens by accusing people of being part of the moanerati, a phrase that reveals more about you than those you try and use it to denigrate.
The incident involving one councillor you refer to was linked to an issue of pricipal over which the Greens did split, that being the allowances issue, something dodged by Labour and the Tories and which could have bankrupted the city apparently. All parties are split, the Greens are poor at hiding them. Unlike Labour or Tory councillors, the Greens are free to vote with their conscience. A good thing I am sure you will agree.

Today I was proud of the Green group that they voted unanimously for the people of Brighton and Hove to decide whether they are willing to pay a little extra to help support council services or whether cuts to the vulnerable are to be made. They knew what was coming, but they stood up to be counted.
Please just take a moment hjarrs and think about my situation because I am not alone. I work for the council and have had just 1% pay rise in four years. I have also seen that every time a job is axed, other workers have to divide those tasks ontop of their already heavy load because we are often reminded times are hard...we're lucky to have our jobs and no one can be complacent. We are struggling terribly financially. Meanwhile we watch vanity projects around the city whilst general services breakdown. The rubbish collection problems are nothing compared to the chaos behind some departments doors. This rise supposedly to pay for the needy when they are squandering money on advisers and outside agencies is disgusting. We need experienced councillors who will prioritise for the good of all rather than the ideology of the few. I understand your passion but please just try to see others' reality.
Working for the council you should well know that Labour, when in last time had more to spend and delivered less. Same (worse) with the Tories. All apparently experienced councillors. You will also know that there is a dreadful regime of ideologically driven government cuts that are devastating local government; libraries, care homes and social services etc are being cut and cut and cut again. Thousands laid off. Brighton and Hove has so far weathered the storm better than most. If the Greens are replaced or the referendum proposal to raise council tax is defeated, then that will result in lower council revenues, perhaps you can tell me how this will aid your predicament? You may not have the luxury of a job at all!
If I don't have a job then I can get all the money they want to raise the council tax for as I will be needy. Yay! Problem solved!
Working for the last administration was undoubtedly better than the greens. Living under the last administration was better than the greens. You insult me with your party politics when I tried to give a human voice. A job should never be considered a luxury. We all work to make our homes, our cities, our country flourish for the good of all. I'm damned if my work should pay for the chaos we are currently experiencing. It's wrong, plain wrong. If you really refuse to see that then I hope you never have to live the kind of struggle many are experiencing who would simply be devastated by yet another slap in the face like this.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the red head[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JHunty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Many Labour members and voters must be truly embarrassed tonight as the Labour leader Warren Morgan and councillors have let down once more the must vulnerable in the city for political opportunism. Now you are with the Tories, eager to cut and privatise. If you have any moral fibre left you should be ripping up your membership cards! But then you would have done that when Warren Morgan would not back the Greens in protecting those in arrears due to the bedroom tax. This should have been the whole council seeking a council tax rise, all fighting to protect the services of this amazing city, sadly only the Greens stand by their principles. It was Warren Morgan and the Labour group that contributed to the cuts the city faces, by joining with their friends the Tories in voting down a 2% council tax rise, we could have avoided many cuts already made and the need to raise the council tax tax above 2%. Vote Labour get Tory. Has a good ring for May 2015.[/p][/quote]Just remind me who was it the greens asked to help them get rid of Jason Kitkat ? What principles were they standing by when they asked Labour to help them stab one of their own in the back? You claim that all parties should be united in fighting the cuts but the greens themselves are divided. The most vociferous criticism of the greens has come from other greens a fact you conveniently ignore when trying to blame the Argus for the greens unpopularity or when trying to deflect any criticism of the greens by accusing people of being part of the moanerati, a phrase that reveals more about you than those you try and use it to denigrate.[/p][/quote]The incident involving one councillor you refer to was linked to an issue of pricipal over which the Greens did split, that being the allowances issue, something dodged by Labour and the Tories and which could have bankrupted the city apparently. All parties are split, the Greens are poor at hiding them. Unlike Labour or Tory councillors, the Greens are free to vote with their conscience. A good thing I am sure you will agree. Today I was proud of the Green group that they voted unanimously for the people of Brighton and Hove to decide whether they are willing to pay a little extra to help support council services or whether cuts to the vulnerable are to be made. They knew what was coming, but they stood up to be counted.[/p][/quote]Please just take a moment hjarrs and think about my situation because I am not alone. I work for the council and have had just 1% pay rise in four years. I have also seen that every time a job is axed, other workers have to divide those tasks ontop of their already heavy load because we are often reminded times are hard...we're lucky to have our jobs and no one can be complacent. We are struggling terribly financially. Meanwhile we watch vanity projects around the city whilst general services breakdown. The rubbish collection problems are nothing compared to the chaos behind some departments doors. This rise supposedly to pay for the needy when they are squandering money on advisers and outside agencies is disgusting. We need experienced councillors who will prioritise for the good of all rather than the ideology of the few. I understand your passion but please just try to see others' reality.[/p][/quote]Working for the council you should well know that Labour, when in last time had more to spend and delivered less. Same (worse) with the Tories. All apparently experienced councillors. You will also know that there is a dreadful regime of ideologically driven government cuts that are devastating local government; libraries, care homes and social services etc are being cut and cut and cut again. Thousands laid off. Brighton and Hove has so far weathered the storm better than most. If the Greens are replaced or the referendum proposal to raise council tax is defeated, then that will result in lower council revenues, perhaps you can tell me how this will aid your predicament? You may not have the luxury of a job at all![/p][/quote]If I don't have a job then I can get all the money they want to raise the council tax for as I will be needy. Yay! Problem solved! Working for the last administration was undoubtedly better than the greens. Living under the last administration was better than the greens. You insult me with your party politics when I tried to give a human voice. A job should never be considered a luxury. We all work to make our homes, our cities, our country flourish for the good of all. I'm damned if my work should pay for the chaos we are currently experiencing. It's wrong, plain wrong. If you really refuse to see that then I hope you never have to live the kind of struggle many are experiencing who would simply be devastated by yet another slap in the face like this. the red head
  • Score: 25

10:39pm Thu 16 Jan 14

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! says...

the red head wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
the red head wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
JHunty wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Many Labour members and voters must be truly embarrassed tonight as the Labour leader Warren Morgan and councillors have let down once more the must vulnerable in the city for political opportunism. Now you are with the Tories, eager to cut and privatise. If you have any moral fibre left you should be ripping up your membership cards! But then you would have done that when Warren Morgan would not back the Greens in protecting those in arrears due to the bedroom tax.

This should have been the whole council seeking a council tax rise, all fighting to protect the services of this amazing city, sadly only the Greens stand by their principles.

It was Warren Morgan and the Labour group that contributed to the cuts the city faces, by joining with their friends the Tories in voting down a 2% council tax rise, we could have avoided many cuts already made and the need to raise the council tax tax above 2%.

Vote Labour get Tory. Has a good ring for May 2015.
Just remind me who was it the greens asked to help them get rid of Jason Kitkat ? What principles were they standing by when they asked Labour to help them stab one of their own in the back? You claim that all parties should be united in fighting the cuts but the greens themselves are divided. The most vociferous criticism of the greens has come from other greens a fact you conveniently ignore when trying to blame the Argus for the greens unpopularity or when trying to deflect any criticism of the greens by accusing people of being part of the moanerati, a phrase that reveals more about you than those you try and use it to denigrate.
The incident involving one councillor you refer to was linked to an issue of pricipal over which the Greens did split, that being the allowances issue, something dodged by Labour and the Tories and which could have bankrupted the city apparently. All parties are split, the Greens are poor at hiding them. Unlike Labour or Tory councillors, the Greens are free to vote with their conscience. A good thing I am sure you will agree.

Today I was proud of the Green group that they voted unanimously for the people of Brighton and Hove to decide whether they are willing to pay a little extra to help support council services or whether cuts to the vulnerable are to be made. They knew what was coming, but they stood up to be counted.
Please just take a moment hjarrs and think about my situation because I am not alone. I work for the council and have had just 1% pay rise in four years. I have also seen that every time a job is axed, other workers have to divide those tasks ontop of their already heavy load because we are often reminded times are hard...we're lucky to have our jobs and no one can be complacent. We are struggling terribly financially. Meanwhile we watch vanity projects around the city whilst general services breakdown. The rubbish collection problems are nothing compared to the chaos behind some departments doors. This rise supposedly to pay for the needy when they are squandering money on advisers and outside agencies is disgusting. We need experienced councillors who will prioritise for the good of all rather than the ideology of the few. I understand your passion but please just try to see others' reality.
Working for the council you should well know that Labour, when in last time had more to spend and delivered less. Same (worse) with the Tories. All apparently experienced councillors. You will also know that there is a dreadful regime of ideologically driven government cuts that are devastating local government; libraries, care homes and social services etc are being cut and cut and cut again. Thousands laid off. Brighton and Hove has so far weathered the storm better than most. If the Greens are replaced or the referendum proposal to raise council tax is defeated, then that will result in lower council revenues, perhaps you can tell me how this will aid your predicament? You may not have the luxury of a job at all!
If I don't have a job then I can get all the money they want to raise the council tax for as I will be needy. Yay! Problem solved!
Working for the last administration was undoubtedly better than the greens. Living under the last administration was better than the greens. You insult me with your party politics when I tried to give a human voice. A job should never be considered a luxury. We all work to make our homes, our cities, our country flourish for the good of all. I'm damned if my work should pay for the chaos we are currently experiencing. It's wrong, plain wrong. If you really refuse to see that then I hope you never have to live the kind of struggle many are experiencing who would simply be devastated by yet another slap in the face like this.
HJ

Its time to listen and acknowledge that we got it wrong

We should have listened

We got it all wrong

Its time for us to step down

And apologise
[quote][p][bold]the red head[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the red head[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JHunty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Many Labour members and voters must be truly embarrassed tonight as the Labour leader Warren Morgan and councillors have let down once more the must vulnerable in the city for political opportunism. Now you are with the Tories, eager to cut and privatise. If you have any moral fibre left you should be ripping up your membership cards! But then you would have done that when Warren Morgan would not back the Greens in protecting those in arrears due to the bedroom tax. This should have been the whole council seeking a council tax rise, all fighting to protect the services of this amazing city, sadly only the Greens stand by their principles. It was Warren Morgan and the Labour group that contributed to the cuts the city faces, by joining with their friends the Tories in voting down a 2% council tax rise, we could have avoided many cuts already made and the need to raise the council tax tax above 2%. Vote Labour get Tory. Has a good ring for May 2015.[/p][/quote]Just remind me who was it the greens asked to help them get rid of Jason Kitkat ? What principles were they standing by when they asked Labour to help them stab one of their own in the back? You claim that all parties should be united in fighting the cuts but the greens themselves are divided. The most vociferous criticism of the greens has come from other greens a fact you conveniently ignore when trying to blame the Argus for the greens unpopularity or when trying to deflect any criticism of the greens by accusing people of being part of the moanerati, a phrase that reveals more about you than those you try and use it to denigrate.[/p][/quote]The incident involving one councillor you refer to was linked to an issue of pricipal over which the Greens did split, that being the allowances issue, something dodged by Labour and the Tories and which could have bankrupted the city apparently. All parties are split, the Greens are poor at hiding them. Unlike Labour or Tory councillors, the Greens are free to vote with their conscience. A good thing I am sure you will agree. Today I was proud of the Green group that they voted unanimously for the people of Brighton and Hove to decide whether they are willing to pay a little extra to help support council services or whether cuts to the vulnerable are to be made. They knew what was coming, but they stood up to be counted.[/p][/quote]Please just take a moment hjarrs and think about my situation because I am not alone. I work for the council and have had just 1% pay rise in four years. I have also seen that every time a job is axed, other workers have to divide those tasks ontop of their already heavy load because we are often reminded times are hard...we're lucky to have our jobs and no one can be complacent. We are struggling terribly financially. Meanwhile we watch vanity projects around the city whilst general services breakdown. The rubbish collection problems are nothing compared to the chaos behind some departments doors. This rise supposedly to pay for the needy when they are squandering money on advisers and outside agencies is disgusting. We need experienced councillors who will prioritise for the good of all rather than the ideology of the few. I understand your passion but please just try to see others' reality.[/p][/quote]Working for the council you should well know that Labour, when in last time had more to spend and delivered less. Same (worse) with the Tories. All apparently experienced councillors. You will also know that there is a dreadful regime of ideologically driven government cuts that are devastating local government; libraries, care homes and social services etc are being cut and cut and cut again. Thousands laid off. Brighton and Hove has so far weathered the storm better than most. If the Greens are replaced or the referendum proposal to raise council tax is defeated, then that will result in lower council revenues, perhaps you can tell me how this will aid your predicament? You may not have the luxury of a job at all![/p][/quote]If I don't have a job then I can get all the money they want to raise the council tax for as I will be needy. Yay! Problem solved! Working for the last administration was undoubtedly better than the greens. Living under the last administration was better than the greens. You insult me with your party politics when I tried to give a human voice. A job should never be considered a luxury. We all work to make our homes, our cities, our country flourish for the good of all. I'm damned if my work should pay for the chaos we are currently experiencing. It's wrong, plain wrong. If you really refuse to see that then I hope you never have to live the kind of struggle many are experiencing who would simply be devastated by yet another slap in the face like this.[/p][/quote]HJ Its time to listen and acknowledge that we got it wrong We should have listened We got it all wrong Its time for us to step down And apologise I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars!
  • Score: 16

10:39pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Morpheus says...

It's time for the Labour and Conservative councillors to get rid of the Greens. If they allow this increase to go through I certainly won't be voting for them.
It's time for the Labour and Conservative councillors to get rid of the Greens. If they allow this increase to go through I certainly won't be voting for them. Morpheus
  • Score: 16

10:59pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Francis258 says...

Can we not split Brighton and Hove again, so Hove can spend council tax on what we think is appropriate and no students voting in the Greens!!

Hove Resident
Can we not split Brighton and Hove again, so Hove can spend council tax on what we think is appropriate and no students voting in the Greens!! Hove Resident Francis258
  • Score: 16

11:35pm Thu 16 Jan 14

PorkBoat says...

It doesn't matter if Council Tax increases by 200% and the council's coffers are full to bursting, whatever party or coalition is in charge, they will ALWAYS pish it away. It's what councils do. They are politicians and bureaucrats, they simply cannot help it. It's only other people's money, after all. Plenty more where that came from.
It doesn't matter if Council Tax increases by 200% and the council's coffers are full to bursting, whatever party or coalition is in charge, they will ALWAYS pish it away. It's what councils do. They are politicians and bureaucrats, they simply cannot help it. It's only other people's money, after all. Plenty more where that came from. PorkBoat
  • Score: 15

11:43pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

Twenty percent of the city's children live in poverty.
This council spent £6 million re painting a cycle lane on the Lewes Road for uni students who don't pay council tax.
That's the world this council lives in. Giving sweeteners to its voters. Remember this is the council whose mayor drove his freebie car to London and Bexhill while the locals are told to cycle.
This is the council who installed a light up bus time table for its posh Preston Park voters while kids haven't got enough money to eat.
All members of the council should be ashamed as you all have a part to play, but how the Greens sleep at night is a mystery.
Twenty percent of the city's children live in poverty. This council spent £6 million re painting a cycle lane on the Lewes Road for uni students who don't pay council tax. That's the world this council lives in. Giving sweeteners to its voters. Remember this is the council whose mayor drove his freebie car to London and Bexhill while the locals are told to cycle. This is the council who installed a light up bus time table for its posh Preston Park voters while kids haven't got enough money to eat. All members of the council should be ashamed as you all have a part to play, but how the Greens sleep at night is a mystery. Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: 22

12:15am Fri 17 Jan 14

Vigilia says...

Please do not take the Greens for fools. Their 2011 election campaign was cleverly focused on the student vote that they pursued with dedication. Fewer than four in ten of the stake holding, tax paying residents turned out to vote and the students' idealogical concept of Green policy gave them the Council.
This proposed referendum is based on the same premise, that the students who pay no Council Tax, will vote in favour of the increase that secures services for the "vulnerable."
If the Greens wish to make savings, they would be better focused on the £2,000 a day they currently squander on their traveller policy. The Greens have spent more on travellers in their first two years than the last Conservative administration spent in the whole of its four year term.
Please do not take the Greens for fools. Their 2011 election campaign was cleverly focused on the student vote that they pursued with dedication. Fewer than four in ten of the stake holding, tax paying residents turned out to vote and the students' idealogical concept of Green policy gave them the Council. This proposed referendum is based on the same premise, that the students who pay no Council Tax, will vote in favour of the increase that secures services for the "vulnerable." If the Greens wish to make savings, they would be better focused on the £2,000 a day they currently squander on their traveller policy. The Greens have spent more on travellers in their first two years than the last Conservative administration spent in the whole of its four year term. Vigilia
  • Score: 29

12:49am Fri 17 Jan 14

BrightonHoveboy says...

He has got to be joking, right? What a nasty idiot he is. Let us make some cuts shall we? Start by cutting Councillors allowances and expenses. Then make them pay for all the food, drink and lunches they want. I am sure we can find some more.
Oh, by the way, STOP WASTING OUR MONEY ON INCREASING POLLUTION AND CONGESTION IN MY TOWN WITH OUR MONEY. IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT GO BACK TO WHEREVER YOU CAME FROM
He has got to be joking, right? What a nasty idiot he is. Let us make some cuts shall we? Start by cutting Councillors allowances and expenses. Then make them pay for all the food, drink and lunches they want. I am sure we can find some more. Oh, by the way, STOP WASTING OUR MONEY ON INCREASING POLLUTION AND CONGESTION IN MY TOWN WITH OUR MONEY. IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT GO BACK TO WHEREVER YOU CAME FROM BrightonHoveboy
  • Score: 18

4:14am Fri 17 Jan 14

Gribbet says...

Bubs wrote:
"The rise, which has been supported unanimously by the Green group of 21 councillors, would mean council tax for an average Band D property would increase by £5.97."

The council tax for a band D is £1507.28, so how can a 4.75% increase be £5.97? My calculator says it will be £71.59 extra to pay.

I'm confused...
"...a month"
[quote][p][bold]Bubs[/bold] wrote: "The rise, which has been supported unanimously by the Green group of 21 councillors, would mean council tax for an average Band D property would increase by £5.97." The council tax for a band D is £1507.28, so how can a 4.75% increase be £5.97? My calculator says it will be £71.59 extra to pay. I'm confused...[/p][/quote]"...a month" Gribbet
  • Score: 2

4:35am Fri 17 Jan 14

Gribbet says...

Michael Inkpin-Leissner wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
Warren Morgan wrote:
It is the basic duty of a council administration to set a budget. The Greens have absolved themselves of that responsibility, and put forward a 4.75% council tax increase that they know will not be supported by opposition parties at Council or by the public in a referendum. We cannot support such a huge increase when people are finding it hard to meet rising bills. Instead they have handed the responsibility of dealing with the cuts to others. They cannot now remain in office playing these political games rather than running the city effectively. I am calling on the Greens to resign and allow a cross-party caretaker administration to run the council till the elections in 400 days. Then the public can decide who runs the city.
Morgan you are an embarrassment - you and your ilk criticised the Greens last budget for keeping the increase within the 2% threshold required for a referendum!
We are in this state partly due to the gross mismanagement of the countries finances during thirteen years of a Labour controlled government - PFI anyone?!
We are still paying for Labours mistake and will continue to do so for decades to come!!
Nice propaganda post. May I tell you that even in Germany we know that the financial crises of the last year was not caused by a government, but by greedy bank businesses. Seems like someone is reading the Daily Fail every day.

The taxpayers in the UK are paying for the mistakes of those greedy bankers, who are under special protection by Cameron and Osbourne. So stop you misinformed propaganda talk to misguide people @brighton bluenose.
"The taxpayers in the UK are paying for the mistakes of those greedy bankers, who..."

...managed to convince a weak and very short-sighted Labour government not to impose the necessary level regulation on them to prevent their practices causing the crash. Gordon Brown himself has admitted that the freedom he allowed the banks was on of the biggest mistakes of the previous labour government.
[quote][p][bold]Michael Inkpin-Leissner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Warren Morgan[/bold] wrote: It is the basic duty of a council administration to set a budget. The Greens have absolved themselves of that responsibility, and put forward a 4.75% council tax increase that they know will not be supported by opposition parties at Council or by the public in a referendum. We cannot support such a huge increase when people are finding it hard to meet rising bills. Instead they have handed the responsibility of dealing with the cuts to others. They cannot now remain in office playing these political games rather than running the city effectively. I am calling on the Greens to resign and allow a cross-party caretaker administration to run the council till the elections in 400 days. Then the public can decide who runs the city.[/p][/quote]Morgan you are an embarrassment - you and your ilk criticised the Greens last budget for keeping the increase within the 2% threshold required for a referendum! We are in this state partly due to the gross mismanagement of the countries finances during thirteen years of a Labour controlled government - PFI anyone?! We are still paying for Labours mistake and will continue to do so for decades to come!![/p][/quote]Nice propaganda post. May I tell you that even in Germany we know that the financial crises of the last year was not caused by a government, but by greedy bank businesses. Seems like someone is reading the Daily Fail every day. The taxpayers in the UK are paying for the mistakes of those greedy bankers, who are under special protection by Cameron and Osbourne. So stop you misinformed propaganda talk to misguide people @brighton bluenose.[/p][/quote]"The taxpayers in the UK are paying for the mistakes of those greedy bankers, who..." ...managed to convince a weak and very short-sighted Labour government not to impose the necessary level regulation on them to prevent their practices causing the crash. Gordon Brown himself has admitted that the freedom he allowed the banks was on of the biggest mistakes of the previous labour government. Gribbet
  • Score: 2

5:08am Fri 17 Jan 14

Gribbet says...

Brighton1000 wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Many Labour members and voters must be truly embarrassed tonight as the Labour leader Warren Morgan and councillors have let down once more the must vulnerable in the city for political opportunism. Now you are with the Tories, eager to cut and privatise. If you have any moral fibre left you should be ripping up your membership cards! But then you would have done that when Warren Morgan would not back the Greens in protecting those in arrears due to the bedroom tax.

This should have been the whole council seeking a council tax rise, all fighting to protect the services of this amazing city, sadly only the Greens stand by their principles.

It was Warren Morgan and the Labour group that contributed to the cuts the city faces, by joining with their friends the Tories in voting down a 2% council tax rise, we could have avoided many cuts already made and the need to raise the council tax tax above 2%.

Vote Labour get Tory. Has a good ring for May 2015.
A far better ring than 'greens, here to **** up your city for another few years'. Vote of no confidence is on its way. Bye bye Kitwat
Despite the wailings of the moanerati, B&H has been successful in finding efficiencies, getting external funding for transport projects in particular and avoiding the worst of the cuts despite some of the deepest government cuts. It is difficult to name a council that has cut less than Brighton and Hove. The budgets have been balanced, we have outperformed the economy and business and developers have and are investing hundreds of millions in the city.

Hardly ******* it up.

The vote of no confidence is little more than a power game by Labour. The Labour councillors clearly are more intent on power than supporting the most vulnerable in city. Like I say, vote Labour get Tory.
Whatever, We will see, Im past rising to your spin. The 'Monerati' you talk of are voters, Enough said. PS where exactly do you live again?
Brighton
For a Brighton resident you seem way out of touch with their views. You constantly blame the Argus website, However it is pretty much the only place you get a real feel for what Brightonians think. Please explain, How exactly do you see the greens as staying in any kind of power in the future? And dont spin it its so boring
"(the argus) is pretty much the only place you get a real feel for what Brightonians think"

Not if this recent petition is anything to go by. From a city of 275000 residents, only 682 people signed this petition for a vote of no confidence against the greens, which is half the number of signatures needed. The petition has not only been running for 3 months, but it has also been publicised here in the Argus and yet only 682 signatures? What a failure, hardly difficult to sign an e-petition is it?

I guess you'll reply the usual way when one of your vocal minority is backed into a corner by saying this is 'spin' but can't see how evidence could be much clearer of what Brightonians actually think

htt p://present.brighton
-hov
e.gov.uk/mgEPetition
Disp
lay.aspx?Id=391.
[quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Many Labour members and voters must be truly embarrassed tonight as the Labour leader Warren Morgan and councillors have let down once more the must vulnerable in the city for political opportunism. Now you are with the Tories, eager to cut and privatise. If you have any moral fibre left you should be ripping up your membership cards! But then you would have done that when Warren Morgan would not back the Greens in protecting those in arrears due to the bedroom tax. This should have been the whole council seeking a council tax rise, all fighting to protect the services of this amazing city, sadly only the Greens stand by their principles. It was Warren Morgan and the Labour group that contributed to the cuts the city faces, by joining with their friends the Tories in voting down a 2% council tax rise, we could have avoided many cuts already made and the need to raise the council tax tax above 2%. Vote Labour get Tory. Has a good ring for May 2015.[/p][/quote]A far better ring than 'greens, here to **** up your city for another few years'. Vote of no confidence is on its way. Bye bye Kitwat[/p][/quote]Despite the wailings of the moanerati, B&H has been successful in finding efficiencies, getting external funding for transport projects in particular and avoiding the worst of the cuts despite some of the deepest government cuts. It is difficult to name a council that has cut less than Brighton and Hove. The budgets have been balanced, we have outperformed the economy and business and developers have and are investing hundreds of millions in the city. Hardly ******* it up. The vote of no confidence is little more than a power game by Labour. The Labour councillors clearly are more intent on power than supporting the most vulnerable in city. Like I say, vote Labour get Tory.[/p][/quote]Whatever, We will see, Im past rising to your spin. The 'Monerati' you talk of are voters, Enough said. PS where exactly do you live again?[/p][/quote]Brighton[/p][/quote]For a Brighton resident you seem way out of touch with their views. You constantly blame the Argus website, However it is pretty much the only place you get a real feel for what Brightonians think. Please explain, How exactly do you see the greens as staying in any kind of power in the future? And dont spin it its so boring[/p][/quote]"(the argus) is pretty much the only place you get a real feel for what Brightonians think" Not if this recent petition is anything to go by. From a city of 275000 residents, only 682 people signed this petition for a vote of no confidence against the greens, which is half the number of signatures needed. The petition has not only been running for 3 months, but it has also been publicised here in the Argus and yet only 682 signatures? What a failure, hardly difficult to sign an e-petition is it? I guess you'll reply the usual way when one of your vocal minority is backed into a corner by saying this is 'spin' but can't see how evidence could be much clearer of what Brightonians actually think htt p://present.brighton -hov e.gov.uk/mgEPetition Disp lay.aspx?Id=391. Gribbet
  • Score: -11

6:55am Fri 17 Jan 14

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! says...

HJarrs wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Many Labour members and voters must be truly embarrassed tonight as the Labour leader Warren Morgan and councillors have let down once more the must vulnerable in the city for political opportunism. Now you are with the Tories, eager to cut and privatise. If you have any moral fibre left you should be ripping up your membership cards! But then you would have done that when Warren Morgan would not back the Greens in protecting those in arrears due to the bedroom tax.

This should have been the whole council seeking a council tax rise, all fighting to protect the services of this amazing city, sadly only the Greens stand by their principles.

It was Warren Morgan and the Labour group that contributed to the cuts the city faces, by joining with their friends the Tories in voting down a 2% council tax rise, we could have avoided many cuts already made and the need to raise the council tax tax above 2%.

Vote Labour get Tory. Has a good ring for May 2015.
A far better ring than 'greens, here to **** up your city for another few years'. Vote of no confidence is on its way. Bye bye Kitwat
Despite the wailings of the moanerati, B&H has been successful in finding efficiencies, getting external funding for transport projects in particular and avoiding the worst of the cuts despite some of the deepest government cuts. It is difficult to name a council that has cut less than Brighton and Hove. The budgets have been balanced, we have outperformed the economy and business and developers have and are investing hundreds of millions in the city.

Hardly ******* it up.

The vote of no confidence is little more than a power game by Labour. The Labour councillors clearly are more intent on power than supporting the most vulnerable in city. Like I say, vote Labour get Tory.
Whatever, We will see, Im past rising to your spin. The 'Monerati' you talk of are voters, Enough said. PS where exactly do you live again?
Brighton
HJ

Good answer - lets hope they buy that story as we don't want them finding out you actually live in a very well heeled south London suburb and enjoy inherited wealth.

When they do, you won't have any credibility and will have to post under your other screen names instead
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Many Labour members and voters must be truly embarrassed tonight as the Labour leader Warren Morgan and councillors have let down once more the must vulnerable in the city for political opportunism. Now you are with the Tories, eager to cut and privatise. If you have any moral fibre left you should be ripping up your membership cards! But then you would have done that when Warren Morgan would not back the Greens in protecting those in arrears due to the bedroom tax. This should have been the whole council seeking a council tax rise, all fighting to protect the services of this amazing city, sadly only the Greens stand by their principles. It was Warren Morgan and the Labour group that contributed to the cuts the city faces, by joining with their friends the Tories in voting down a 2% council tax rise, we could have avoided many cuts already made and the need to raise the council tax tax above 2%. Vote Labour get Tory. Has a good ring for May 2015.[/p][/quote]A far better ring than 'greens, here to **** up your city for another few years'. Vote of no confidence is on its way. Bye bye Kitwat[/p][/quote]Despite the wailings of the moanerati, B&H has been successful in finding efficiencies, getting external funding for transport projects in particular and avoiding the worst of the cuts despite some of the deepest government cuts. It is difficult to name a council that has cut less than Brighton and Hove. The budgets have been balanced, we have outperformed the economy and business and developers have and are investing hundreds of millions in the city. Hardly ******* it up. The vote of no confidence is little more than a power game by Labour. The Labour councillors clearly are more intent on power than supporting the most vulnerable in city. Like I say, vote Labour get Tory.[/p][/quote]Whatever, We will see, Im past rising to your spin. The 'Monerati' you talk of are voters, Enough said. PS where exactly do you live again?[/p][/quote]Brighton[/p][/quote]HJ Good answer - lets hope they buy that story as we don't want them finding out you actually live in a very well heeled south London suburb and enjoy inherited wealth. When they do, you won't have any credibility and will have to post under your other screen names instead I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars!
  • Score: 15

7:19am Fri 17 Jan 14

Seagull John says...

So Kitcat works for the most ideologically driven local authority in the country and criticises the Westminster for ideologically driven cuts. Seems a bit pots and kettles to me.
So Kitcat works for the most ideologically driven local authority in the country and criticises the Westminster for ideologically driven cuts. Seems a bit pots and kettles to me. Seagull John
  • Score: 18

8:28am Fri 17 Jan 14

pithound says...

How can you hold a referendum on 22 May 2014 when the Council Tax needs to be set prior to 1 April 2014 and collected from 1 April 2014?
How can you hold a referendum on 22 May 2014 when the Council Tax needs to be set prior to 1 April 2014 and collected from 1 April 2014? pithound
  • Score: 17

8:37am Fri 17 Jan 14

brightonian57 says...

As the Greens are known to ignore any public consultation process, do we have any assurance that they will abide by the decision of the referendum, or will they just raise the council tax anyway?
if they are going to pay the cost for a referendum, would it cost anymore to add a vote of no confidence to the referendum?
As the Greens are known to ignore any public consultation process, do we have any assurance that they will abide by the decision of the referendum, or will they just raise the council tax anyway? if they are going to pay the cost for a referendum, would it cost anymore to add a vote of no confidence to the referendum? brightonian57
  • Score: 20

9:02am Fri 17 Jan 14

fred clause says...

The of money from a desperate party that's sinking fast they no there not wanted but still refuse to go the sooner KitKat and his cronies crash l back under there rock the better.
The of money from a desperate party that's sinking fast they no there not wanted but still refuse to go the sooner KitKat and his cronies crash l back under there rock the better. fred clause
  • Score: 7

9:17am Fri 17 Jan 14

Brighton1000 says...

Gribbet wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Many Labour members and voters must be truly embarrassed tonight as the Labour leader Warren Morgan and councillors have let down once more the must vulnerable in the city for political opportunism. Now you are with the Tories, eager to cut and privatise. If you have any moral fibre left you should be ripping up your membership cards! But then you would have done that when Warren Morgan would not back the Greens in protecting those in arrears due to the bedroom tax.

This should have been the whole council seeking a council tax rise, all fighting to protect the services of this amazing city, sadly only the Greens stand by their principles.

It was Warren Morgan and the Labour group that contributed to the cuts the city faces, by joining with their friends the Tories in voting down a 2% council tax rise, we could have avoided many cuts already made and the need to raise the council tax tax above 2%.

Vote Labour get Tory. Has a good ring for May 2015.
A far better ring than 'greens, here to **** up your city for another few years'. Vote of no confidence is on its way. Bye bye Kitwat
Despite the wailings of the moanerati, B&H has been successful in finding efficiencies, getting external funding for transport projects in particular and avoiding the worst of the cuts despite some of the deepest government cuts. It is difficult to name a council that has cut less than Brighton and Hove. The budgets have been balanced, we have outperformed the economy and business and developers have and are investing hundreds of millions in the city.

Hardly ******* it up.

The vote of no confidence is little more than a power game by Labour. The Labour councillors clearly are more intent on power than supporting the most vulnerable in city. Like I say, vote Labour get Tory.
Whatever, We will see, Im past rising to your spin. The 'Monerati' you talk of are voters, Enough said. PS where exactly do you live again?
Brighton
For a Brighton resident you seem way out of touch with their views. You constantly blame the Argus website, However it is pretty much the only place you get a real feel for what Brightonians think. Please explain, How exactly do you see the greens as staying in any kind of power in the future? And dont spin it its so boring
"(the argus) is pretty much the only place you get a real feel for what Brightonians think"

Not if this recent petition is anything to go by. From a city of 275000 residents, only 682 people signed this petition for a vote of no confidence against the greens, which is half the number of signatures needed. The petition has not only been running for 3 months, but it has also been publicised here in the Argus and yet only 682 signatures? What a failure, hardly difficult to sign an e-petition is it?

I guess you'll reply the usual way when one of your vocal minority is backed into a corner by saying this is 'spin' but can't see how evidence could be much clearer of what Brightonians actually think

htt p://present.brighton

-hov
e.gov.uk/mgEPetition

Disp
lay.aspx?Id=391.
Yes, More spin. How well advertised was the petition? I didnt say the Argus has every brighton & hove resident visiting the site did i? If all residents were made aware of the petition, you know as well as i do it would recieve well over what was required to have some clout.

If the greens are so confident they are seen as a successful and wanted party in Brighton then stick a vote of no confidence vote in with the referendum (cant see any additional cost for this as we are having 1 anyway), Then let the residents decide.

You are either deluded, Or as short sighted as your party if you truly believe the residents of Brighton and Hove will ever re elect you ever again.
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Many Labour members and voters must be truly embarrassed tonight as the Labour leader Warren Morgan and councillors have let down once more the must vulnerable in the city for political opportunism. Now you are with the Tories, eager to cut and privatise. If you have any moral fibre left you should be ripping up your membership cards! But then you would have done that when Warren Morgan would not back the Greens in protecting those in arrears due to the bedroom tax. This should have been the whole council seeking a council tax rise, all fighting to protect the services of this amazing city, sadly only the Greens stand by their principles. It was Warren Morgan and the Labour group that contributed to the cuts the city faces, by joining with their friends the Tories in voting down a 2% council tax rise, we could have avoided many cuts already made and the need to raise the council tax tax above 2%. Vote Labour get Tory. Has a good ring for May 2015.[/p][/quote]A far better ring than 'greens, here to **** up your city for another few years'. Vote of no confidence is on its way. Bye bye Kitwat[/p][/quote]Despite the wailings of the moanerati, B&H has been successful in finding efficiencies, getting external funding for transport projects in particular and avoiding the worst of the cuts despite some of the deepest government cuts. It is difficult to name a council that has cut less than Brighton and Hove. The budgets have been balanced, we have outperformed the economy and business and developers have and are investing hundreds of millions in the city. Hardly ******* it up. The vote of no confidence is little more than a power game by Labour. The Labour councillors clearly are more intent on power than supporting the most vulnerable in city. Like I say, vote Labour get Tory.[/p][/quote]Whatever, We will see, Im past rising to your spin. The 'Monerati' you talk of are voters, Enough said. PS where exactly do you live again?[/p][/quote]Brighton[/p][/quote]For a Brighton resident you seem way out of touch with their views. You constantly blame the Argus website, However it is pretty much the only place you get a real feel for what Brightonians think. Please explain, How exactly do you see the greens as staying in any kind of power in the future? And dont spin it its so boring[/p][/quote]"(the argus) is pretty much the only place you get a real feel for what Brightonians think" Not if this recent petition is anything to go by. From a city of 275000 residents, only 682 people signed this petition for a vote of no confidence against the greens, which is half the number of signatures needed. The petition has not only been running for 3 months, but it has also been publicised here in the Argus and yet only 682 signatures? What a failure, hardly difficult to sign an e-petition is it? I guess you'll reply the usual way when one of your vocal minority is backed into a corner by saying this is 'spin' but can't see how evidence could be much clearer of what Brightonians actually think htt p://present.brighton -hov e.gov.uk/mgEPetition Disp lay.aspx?Id=391.[/p][/quote]Yes, More spin. How well advertised was the petition? I didnt say the Argus has every brighton & hove resident visiting the site did i? If all residents were made aware of the petition, you know as well as i do it would recieve well over what was required to have some clout. If the greens are so confident they are seen as a successful and wanted party in Brighton then stick a vote of no confidence vote in with the referendum (cant see any additional cost for this as we are having 1 anyway), Then let the residents decide. You are either deluded, Or as short sighted as your party if you truly believe the residents of Brighton and Hove will ever re elect you ever again. Brighton1000
  • Score: 13

9:32am Fri 17 Jan 14

Tallywhacker says...

Who exactly are these "vulnerable" that need more funds anyway? And what are the new funds going to be used for? And as the greens keep using these "vulnerable" as an excuse for a tax rise why is it on the enire council tax amount, surely it only needs to be on the amount that the "vulnerable" are getting. Is the entire 4.5% increase going to be ringfenced and only used for the "vulnerable" or is it just a feeble political **** propaganda exercise from the greens again. It really is surprising how when politicians want more money the "vulnerable" always seem to pop up and be used as guilt trip. Well I'm not going to feel guilty, if you want an increase it doesn't need to be on the entire council budget does it. just on the "vulnerable" so stop the fake caring and stop using them for your political purposes.
Who exactly are these "vulnerable" that need more funds anyway? And what are the new funds going to be used for? And as the greens keep using these "vulnerable" as an excuse for a tax rise why is it on the enire council tax amount, surely it only needs to be on the amount that the "vulnerable" are getting. Is the entire 4.5% increase going to be ringfenced and only used for the "vulnerable" or is it just a feeble political **** propaganda exercise from the greens again. It really is surprising how when politicians want more money the "vulnerable" always seem to pop up and be used as guilt trip. Well I'm not going to feel guilty, if you want an increase it doesn't need to be on the entire council budget does it. just on the "vulnerable" so stop the fake caring and stop using them for your political purposes. Tallywhacker
  • Score: 12

9:33am Fri 17 Jan 14

brighton bluenose says...

Michael Inkpin-Leissner wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
Warren Morgan wrote:
It is the basic duty of a council administration to set a budget. The Greens have absolved themselves of that responsibility, and put forward a 4.75% council tax increase that they know will not be supported by opposition parties at Council or by the public in a referendum. We cannot support such a huge increase when people are finding it hard to meet rising bills. Instead they have handed the responsibility of dealing with the cuts to others. They cannot now remain in office playing these political games rather than running the city effectively. I am calling on the Greens to resign and allow a cross-party caretaker administration to run the council till the elections in 400 days. Then the public can decide who runs the city.
Morgan you are an embarrassment - you and your ilk criticised the Greens last budget for keeping the increase within the 2% threshold required for a referendum!
We are in this state partly due to the gross mismanagement of the countries finances during thirteen years of a Labour controlled government - PFI anyone?!
We are still paying for Labours mistake and will continue to do so for decades to come!!
Nice propaganda post. May I tell you that even in Germany we know that the financial crises of the last year was not caused by a government, but by greedy bank businesses. Seems like someone is reading the Daily Fail every day.

The taxpayers in the UK are paying for the mistakes of those greedy bankers, who are under special protection by Cameron and Osbourne. So stop you misinformed propaganda talk to misguide people @brighton bluenose.
It was caused by greedy bankers who, in this country, had the benefit of 13 years of Labour banking de-regulation - that is not 'propaganda' that is fact!!
The bankers are undoubtedly getting 'special protection' from the Tories which just goes to prove that both of our main political parties are either incompetent or corrupt to the core!!
[quote][p][bold]Michael Inkpin-Leissner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Warren Morgan[/bold] wrote: It is the basic duty of a council administration to set a budget. The Greens have absolved themselves of that responsibility, and put forward a 4.75% council tax increase that they know will not be supported by opposition parties at Council or by the public in a referendum. We cannot support such a huge increase when people are finding it hard to meet rising bills. Instead they have handed the responsibility of dealing with the cuts to others. They cannot now remain in office playing these political games rather than running the city effectively. I am calling on the Greens to resign and allow a cross-party caretaker administration to run the council till the elections in 400 days. Then the public can decide who runs the city.[/p][/quote]Morgan you are an embarrassment - you and your ilk criticised the Greens last budget for keeping the increase within the 2% threshold required for a referendum! We are in this state partly due to the gross mismanagement of the countries finances during thirteen years of a Labour controlled government - PFI anyone?! We are still paying for Labours mistake and will continue to do so for decades to come!![/p][/quote]Nice propaganda post. May I tell you that even in Germany we know that the financial crises of the last year was not caused by a government, but by greedy bank businesses. Seems like someone is reading the Daily Fail every day. The taxpayers in the UK are paying for the mistakes of those greedy bankers, who are under special protection by Cameron and Osbourne. So stop you misinformed propaganda talk to misguide people @brighton bluenose.[/p][/quote]It was caused by greedy bankers who, in this country, had the benefit of 13 years of Labour banking de-regulation - that is not 'propaganda' that is fact!! The bankers are undoubtedly getting 'special protection' from the Tories which just goes to prove that both of our main political parties are either incompetent or corrupt to the core!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -8

9:47am Fri 17 Jan 14

Scoob79 says...

What's the point of having a council if they won't make decisions on our behalf because they are scared of the impact it will have on their reputation? If i had any respect left for the Green Party (which has always been very little since i voted for them), it was because they made decisions and stuck to them (despite the valid counter arguments of their constituents).
What's the point of having a council if they won't make decisions on our behalf because they are scared of the impact it will have on their reputation? If i had any respect left for the Green Party (which has always been very little since i voted for them), it was because they made decisions and stuck to them (despite the valid counter arguments of their constituents). Scoob79
  • Score: 14

9:50am Fri 17 Jan 14

Skidrow says...

Given the current state of most household budgets do these fruitcakes really think we will, like turkeys voting for christmas, vote to pay more for their absurd administration?
Is the increase in adult social care budget to build sanitoria for the soon to be ex green councillors to retreat from the nasty real orld into?
Given the current state of most household budgets do these fruitcakes really think we will, like turkeys voting for christmas, vote to pay more for their absurd administration? Is the increase in adult social care budget to build sanitoria for the soon to be ex green councillors to retreat from the nasty real orld into? Skidrow
  • Score: 15

10:06am Fri 17 Jan 14

Gribbet says...

Brighton1000 wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Many Labour members and voters must be truly embarrassed tonight as the Labour leader Warren Morgan and councillors have let down once more the must vulnerable in the city for political opportunism. Now you are with the Tories, eager to cut and privatise. If you have any moral fibre left you should be ripping up your membership cards! But then you would have done that when Warren Morgan would not back the Greens in protecting those in arrears due to the bedroom tax.

This should have been the whole council seeking a council tax rise, all fighting to protect the services of this amazing city, sadly only the Greens stand by their principles.

It was Warren Morgan and the Labour group that contributed to the cuts the city faces, by joining with their friends the Tories in voting down a 2% council tax rise, we could have avoided many cuts already made and the need to raise the council tax tax above 2%.

Vote Labour get Tory. Has a good ring for May 2015.
A far better ring than 'greens, here to **** up your city for another few years'. Vote of no confidence is on its way. Bye bye Kitwat
Despite the wailings of the moanerati, B&H has been successful in finding efficiencies, getting external funding for transport projects in particular and avoiding the worst of the cuts despite some of the deepest government cuts. It is difficult to name a council that has cut less than Brighton and Hove. The budgets have been balanced, we have outperformed the economy and business and developers have and are investing hundreds of millions in the city.

Hardly ******* it up.

The vote of no confidence is little more than a power game by Labour. The Labour councillors clearly are more intent on power than supporting the most vulnerable in city. Like I say, vote Labour get Tory.
Whatever, We will see, Im past rising to your spin. The 'Monerati' you talk of are voters, Enough said. PS where exactly do you live again?
Brighton
For a Brighton resident you seem way out of touch with their views. You constantly blame the Argus website, However it is pretty much the only place you get a real feel for what Brightonians think. Please explain, How exactly do you see the greens as staying in any kind of power in the future? And dont spin it its so boring
"(the argus) is pretty much the only place you get a real feel for what Brightonians think"

Not if this recent petition is anything to go by. From a city of 275000 residents, only 682 people signed this petition for a vote of no confidence against the greens, which is half the number of signatures needed. The petition has not only been running for 3 months, but it has also been publicised here in the Argus and yet only 682 signatures? What a failure, hardly difficult to sign an e-petition is it?

I guess you'll reply the usual way when one of your vocal minority is backed into a corner by saying this is 'spin' but can't see how evidence could be much clearer of what Brightonians actually think

htt p://present.brighton


-hov
e.gov.uk/mgEPetition


Disp
lay.aspx?Id=391.
Yes, More spin. How well advertised was the petition? I didnt say the Argus has every brighton & hove resident visiting the site did i? If all residents were made aware of the petition, you know as well as i do it would recieve well over what was required to have some clout.

If the greens are so confident they are seen as a successful and wanted party in Brighton then stick a vote of no confidence vote in with the referendum (cant see any additional cost for this as we are having 1 anyway), Then let the residents decide.

You are either deluded, Or as short sighted as your party if you truly believe the residents of Brighton and Hove will ever re elect you ever again.
Well there was a full article about it a couple of months ago for all readers to see, but doesn't look like there were many takers.

It was also spammed all over the comments sections the same way that you've been spamming the comments sections with that web-link to that amateur news website in the last day or two.

It was also on Facebook, still is, so could have easily gone viral if people cared enough about the cause to click 'share', but for reasons you're struggling with, people didn't like and/or share it.

I'm just presenting some REAL DATA here as a counter argument to your exaggerated and over extrapolated 'facts' (opinions) and predictions. The evidence from this petition heavily suggests that it's actually you yourself that might be a little deluded and out of touch with what the majority of the town think.
[quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Many Labour members and voters must be truly embarrassed tonight as the Labour leader Warren Morgan and councillors have let down once more the must vulnerable in the city for political opportunism. Now you are with the Tories, eager to cut and privatise. If you have any moral fibre left you should be ripping up your membership cards! But then you would have done that when Warren Morgan would not back the Greens in protecting those in arrears due to the bedroom tax. This should have been the whole council seeking a council tax rise, all fighting to protect the services of this amazing city, sadly only the Greens stand by their principles. It was Warren Morgan and the Labour group that contributed to the cuts the city faces, by joining with their friends the Tories in voting down a 2% council tax rise, we could have avoided many cuts already made and the need to raise the council tax tax above 2%. Vote Labour get Tory. Has a good ring for May 2015.[/p][/quote]A far better ring than 'greens, here to **** up your city for another few years'. Vote of no confidence is on its way. Bye bye Kitwat[/p][/quote]Despite the wailings of the moanerati, B&H has been successful in finding efficiencies, getting external funding for transport projects in particular and avoiding the worst of the cuts despite some of the deepest government cuts. It is difficult to name a council that has cut less than Brighton and Hove. The budgets have been balanced, we have outperformed the economy and business and developers have and are investing hundreds of millions in the city. Hardly ******* it up. The vote of no confidence is little more than a power game by Labour. The Labour councillors clearly are more intent on power than supporting the most vulnerable in city. Like I say, vote Labour get Tory.[/p][/quote]Whatever, We will see, Im past rising to your spin. The 'Monerati' you talk of are voters, Enough said. PS where exactly do you live again?[/p][/quote]Brighton[/p][/quote]For a Brighton resident you seem way out of touch with their views. You constantly blame the Argus website, However it is pretty much the only place you get a real feel for what Brightonians think. Please explain, How exactly do you see the greens as staying in any kind of power in the future? And dont spin it its so boring[/p][/quote]"(the argus) is pretty much the only place you get a real feel for what Brightonians think" Not if this recent petition is anything to go by. From a city of 275000 residents, only 682 people signed this petition for a vote of no confidence against the greens, which is half the number of signatures needed. The petition has not only been running for 3 months, but it has also been publicised here in the Argus and yet only 682 signatures? What a failure, hardly difficult to sign an e-petition is it? I guess you'll reply the usual way when one of your vocal minority is backed into a corner by saying this is 'spin' but can't see how evidence could be much clearer of what Brightonians actually think htt p://present.brighton -hov e.gov.uk/mgEPetition Disp lay.aspx?Id=391.[/p][/quote]Yes, More spin. How well advertised was the petition? I didnt say the Argus has every brighton & hove resident visiting the site did i? If all residents were made aware of the petition, you know as well as i do it would recieve well over what was required to have some clout. If the greens are so confident they are seen as a successful and wanted party in Brighton then stick a vote of no confidence vote in with the referendum (cant see any additional cost for this as we are having 1 anyway), Then let the residents decide. You are either deluded, Or as short sighted as your party if you truly believe the residents of Brighton and Hove will ever re elect you ever again.[/p][/quote]Well there was a full article about it a couple of months ago for all readers to see, but doesn't look like there were many takers. It was also spammed all over the comments sections the same way that you've been spamming the comments sections with that web-link to that amateur news website in the last day or two. It was also on Facebook, still is, so could have easily gone viral if people cared enough about the cause to click 'share', but for reasons you're struggling with, people didn't like and/or share it. I'm just presenting some REAL DATA here as a counter argument to your exaggerated and over extrapolated 'facts' (opinions) and predictions. The evidence from this petition heavily suggests that it's actually you yourself that might be a little deluded and out of touch with what the majority of the town think. Gribbet
  • Score: -11

10:13am Fri 17 Jan 14

ripmaxman says...

Brighton and Hove City Council have no idea how to run a local authority.

Under previous administrations or recycling bins were emptied regularly every Friday. For months now we have had to contact Cityclean to tell them that NO collection has been made.

We have had excuse after excuse and the matter has still not been resolved!!!

This is just one example: The work outstanding from today is Hove place, Seafield rd, St Aubyns, Blatchington rd, Goldstone Villas, Denmark Villas, Clarenden rd, Conway place, Sackville rd, Conway street. WHY?

As for the 4.75% proposed increase in council tax. They blame the Government cutbacks for all the council’s failings.

One of the main problems is the council’s inefficiency and spending money on ridiculous schemes. Yes they do get funding for cycle lanes but it is not for the total cost and some cycle lanes are very rarely used and some cause more danger to cyclists than before they were installed.

The 20mph speed limit which cost us the council tax payers thousands is a complete failure.

The new LED lampposts are a criminal’s delight as they only illuminate a small are directly underneath leaving an almost dark area between each one.

Yes they will save money in the future but how much does it cost to purchase and install each lamppost and how long is the payback period? How much are they spending? Can anyone from the council tell us?

The £14 million loan for the I360. So what happens if it does go ahead and the company folds. How will the council reclaim the money?

I could go on about the Council’s failings but it would take up pages.

I for one will not support the rise and the referendum should only be sent to genuine council tax payers!!!!
Brighton and Hove City Council have no idea how to run a local authority. Under previous administrations or recycling bins were emptied regularly every Friday. For months now we have had to contact Cityclean to tell them that NO collection has been made. We have had excuse after excuse and the matter has still not been resolved!!! This is just one example: The work outstanding from today is Hove place, Seafield rd, St Aubyns, Blatchington rd, Goldstone Villas, Denmark Villas, Clarenden rd, Conway place, Sackville rd, Conway street. WHY? As for the 4.75% proposed increase in council tax. They blame the Government cutbacks for all the council’s failings. One of the main problems is the council’s inefficiency and spending money on ridiculous schemes. Yes they do get funding for cycle lanes but it is not for the total cost and some cycle lanes are very rarely used and some cause more danger to cyclists than before they were installed. The 20mph speed limit which cost us the council tax payers thousands is a complete failure. The new LED lampposts are a criminal’s delight as they only illuminate a small are directly underneath leaving an almost dark area between each one. Yes they will save money in the future but how much does it cost to purchase and install each lamppost and how long is the payback period? How much are they spending? Can anyone from the council tell us? The £14 million loan for the I360. So what happens if it does go ahead and the company folds. How will the council reclaim the money? I could go on about the Council’s failings but it would take up pages. I for one will not support the rise and the referendum should only be sent to genuine council tax payers!!!! ripmaxman
  • Score: 22

10:35am Fri 17 Jan 14

Warren Morgan says...

Last year Jason Kitcat called a council tax referendum "mad" and "unworkable": http://www.brightona
ndhovenews.org/2013/
07/25/green-leader-o
f-brighton-and-hove-
rules-out-council-ta
x-referendum/22735
Last year Jason Kitcat called a council tax referendum "mad" and "unworkable": http://www.brightona ndhovenews.org/2013/ 07/25/green-leader-o f-brighton-and-hove- rules-out-council-ta x-referendum/22735 Warren Morgan
  • Score: 18

10:37am Fri 17 Jan 14

menton says...

Vote for an increase like that? Never. I am 6 months away from getting my state pension. Why should I have to pay this outrageous increase? B**ger the lot of them. Roll on 2015 and let's get them out.
Vote for an increase like that? Never. I am 6 months away from getting my state pension. Why should I have to pay this outrageous increase? B**ger the lot of them. Roll on 2015 and let's get them out. menton
  • Score: 16

10:42am Fri 17 Jan 14

RottingdeanRant says...

As many others have said the way to manage the budget is not to increase council tax but reduce waste and stop spending on non essentials. If I was convinced that the council were not wasting MY MONEY then I would happily pay more to support those in need. I for one will vote NO.
As many others have said the way to manage the budget is not to increase council tax but reduce waste and stop spending on non essentials. If I was convinced that the council were not wasting MY MONEY then I would happily pay more to support those in need. I for one will vote NO. RottingdeanRant
  • Score: 16

10:46am Fri 17 Jan 14

One View says...

It's another "bank" bailout, except it's for a council. I don't believe I have heard any other council in the country asking for the same?
In hard times you must stop spending money on visions of an ideal green city and spend that money on the most vulnerable instead; or are they not really important in the council's eyes?
It's another "bank" bailout, except it's for a council. I don't believe I have heard any other council in the country asking for the same? In hard times you must stop spending money on visions of an ideal green city and spend that money on the most vulnerable instead; or are they not really important in the council's eyes? One View
  • Score: 15

10:46am Fri 17 Jan 14

Thay Qon U says...

pithound wrote:
How can you hold a referendum on 22 May 2014 when the Council Tax needs to be set prior to 1 April 2014 and collected from 1 April 2014?
The Green Party's intent to hold a referendum on 22nd May to either veto or support their unilateral decision to impose a 4.75% increase in Council Tax is moving the Council's finances into uncharted territory.

It will probably mean a provisional Council Tax being levied (based upon the Green Party's unilateral,proposed 4.5% increase) from April 2014, but if the subsequent Referendum on 22nd May results in a veto of that increase then BHCC will waste more money (e.g. printing, stationery, postage, revised instalments etc. etc.) in having to go through the annual billing process again.

It is not clear if these re-billing costs are included in the reported £350K costs of the Referendum or are in addition to that published estimate. There is the real risk that the estimated cost will be even higher with adverse imapcts on the BHCC Council Tax cash-flow with people potentially witholding their April & May payments until the outcome of the Referendum is known.
[quote][p][bold]pithound[/bold] wrote: How can you hold a referendum on 22 May 2014 when the Council Tax needs to be set prior to 1 April 2014 and collected from 1 April 2014?[/p][/quote]The Green Party's intent to hold a referendum on 22nd May to either veto or support their unilateral decision to impose a 4.75% increase in Council Tax is moving the Council's finances into uncharted territory. It will probably mean a provisional Council Tax being levied (based upon the Green Party's unilateral,proposed 4.5% increase) from April 2014, but if the subsequent Referendum on 22nd May results in a veto of that increase then BHCC will waste more money (e.g. printing, stationery, postage, revised instalments etc. etc.) in having to go through the annual billing process again. It is not clear if these re-billing costs are included in the reported £350K costs of the Referendum or are in addition to that published estimate. There is the real risk that the estimated cost will be even higher with adverse imapcts on the BHCC Council Tax cash-flow with people potentially witholding their April & May payments until the outcome of the Referendum is known. Thay Qon U
  • Score: 12

10:47am Fri 17 Jan 14

Brighton1000 says...

Gribbet wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Many Labour members and voters must be truly embarrassed tonight as the Labour leader Warren Morgan and councillors have let down once more the must vulnerable in the city for political opportunism. Now you are with the Tories, eager to cut and privatise. If you have any moral fibre left you should be ripping up your membership cards! But then you would have done that when Warren Morgan would not back the Greens in protecting those in arrears due to the bedroom tax.

This should have been the whole council seeking a council tax rise, all fighting to protect the services of this amazing city, sadly only the Greens stand by their principles.

It was Warren Morgan and the Labour group that contributed to the cuts the city faces, by joining with their friends the Tories in voting down a 2% council tax rise, we could have avoided many cuts already made and the need to raise the council tax tax above 2%.

Vote Labour get Tory. Has a good ring for May 2015.
A far better ring than 'greens, here to **** up your city for another few years'. Vote of no confidence is on its way. Bye bye Kitwat
Despite the wailings of the moanerati, B&H has been successful in finding efficiencies, getting external funding for transport projects in particular and avoiding the worst of the cuts despite some of the deepest government cuts. It is difficult to name a council that has cut less than Brighton and Hove. The budgets have been balanced, we have outperformed the economy and business and developers have and are investing hundreds of millions in the city.

Hardly ******* it up.

The vote of no confidence is little more than a power game by Labour. The Labour councillors clearly are more intent on power than supporting the most vulnerable in city. Like I say, vote Labour get Tory.
Whatever, We will see, Im past rising to your spin. The 'Monerati' you talk of are voters, Enough said. PS where exactly do you live again?
Brighton
For a Brighton resident you seem way out of touch with their views. You constantly blame the Argus website, However it is pretty much the only place you get a real feel for what Brightonians think. Please explain, How exactly do you see the greens as staying in any kind of power in the future? And dont spin it its so boring
"(the argus) is pretty much the only place you get a real feel for what Brightonians think"

Not if this recent petition is anything to go by. From a city of 275000 residents, only 682 people signed this petition for a vote of no confidence against the greens, which is half the number of signatures needed. The petition has not only been running for 3 months, but it has also been publicised here in the Argus and yet only 682 signatures? What a failure, hardly difficult to sign an e-petition is it?

I guess you'll reply the usual way when one of your vocal minority is backed into a corner by saying this is 'spin' but can't see how evidence could be much clearer of what Brightonians actually think

htt p://present.brighton



-hov
e.gov.uk/mgEPetition



Disp
lay.aspx?Id=391.
Yes, More spin. How well advertised was the petition? I didnt say the Argus has every brighton & hove resident visiting the site did i? If all residents were made aware of the petition, you know as well as i do it would recieve well over what was required to have some clout.

If the greens are so confident they are seen as a successful and wanted party in Brighton then stick a vote of no confidence vote in with the referendum (cant see any additional cost for this as we are having 1 anyway), Then let the residents decide.

You are either deluded, Or as short sighted as your party if you truly believe the residents of Brighton and Hove will ever re elect you ever again.
Well there was a full article about it a couple of months ago for all readers to see, but doesn't look like there were many takers.

It was also spammed all over the comments sections the same way that you've been spamming the comments sections with that web-link to that amateur news website in the last day or two.

It was also on Facebook, still is, so could have easily gone viral if people cared enough about the cause to click 'share', but for reasons you're struggling with, people didn't like and/or share it.

I'm just presenting some REAL DATA here as a counter argument to your exaggerated and over extrapolated 'facts' (opinions) and predictions. The evidence from this petition heavily suggests that it's actually you yourself that might be a little deluded and out of touch with what the majority of the town think.
So your telling me the greens are doing a good job and going to be re-elected are you? You think the majority are in favour of the greens in B&H?
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Many Labour members and voters must be truly embarrassed tonight as the Labour leader Warren Morgan and councillors have let down once more the must vulnerable in the city for political opportunism. Now you are with the Tories, eager to cut and privatise. If you have any moral fibre left you should be ripping up your membership cards! But then you would have done that when Warren Morgan would not back the Greens in protecting those in arrears due to the bedroom tax. This should have been the whole council seeking a council tax rise, all fighting to protect the services of this amazing city, sadly only the Greens stand by their principles. It was Warren Morgan and the Labour group that contributed to the cuts the city faces, by joining with their friends the Tories in voting down a 2% council tax rise, we could have avoided many cuts already made and the need to raise the council tax tax above 2%. Vote Labour get Tory. Has a good ring for May 2015.[/p][/quote]A far better ring than 'greens, here to **** up your city for another few years'. Vote of no confidence is on its way. Bye bye Kitwat[/p][/quote]Despite the wailings of the moanerati, B&H has been successful in finding efficiencies, getting external funding for transport projects in particular and avoiding the worst of the cuts despite some of the deepest government cuts. It is difficult to name a council that has cut less than Brighton and Hove. The budgets have been balanced, we have outperformed the economy and business and developers have and are investing hundreds of millions in the city. Hardly ******* it up. The vote of no confidence is little more than a power game by Labour. The Labour councillors clearly are more intent on power than supporting the most vulnerable in city. Like I say, vote Labour get Tory.[/p][/quote]Whatever, We will see, Im past rising to your spin. The 'Monerati' you talk of are voters, Enough said. PS where exactly do you live again?[/p][/quote]Brighton[/p][/quote]For a Brighton resident you seem way out of touch with their views. You constantly blame the Argus website, However it is pretty much the only place you get a real feel for what Brightonians think. Please explain, How exactly do you see the greens as staying in any kind of power in the future? And dont spin it its so boring[/p][/quote]"(the argus) is pretty much the only place you get a real feel for what Brightonians think" Not if this recent petition is anything to go by. From a city of 275000 residents, only 682 people signed this petition for a vote of no confidence against the greens, which is half the number of signatures needed. The petition has not only been running for 3 months, but it has also been publicised here in the Argus and yet only 682 signatures? What a failure, hardly difficult to sign an e-petition is it? I guess you'll reply the usual way when one of your vocal minority is backed into a corner by saying this is 'spin' but can't see how evidence could be much clearer of what Brightonians actually think htt p://present.brighton -hov e.gov.uk/mgEPetition Disp lay.aspx?Id=391.[/p][/quote]Yes, More spin. How well advertised was the petition? I didnt say the Argus has every brighton & hove resident visiting the site did i? If all residents were made aware of the petition, you know as well as i do it would recieve well over what was required to have some clout. If the greens are so confident they are seen as a successful and wanted party in Brighton then stick a vote of no confidence vote in with the referendum (cant see any additional cost for this as we are having 1 anyway), Then let the residents decide. You are either deluded, Or as short sighted as your party if you truly believe the residents of Brighton and Hove will ever re elect you ever again.[/p][/quote]Well there was a full article about it a couple of months ago for all readers to see, but doesn't look like there were many takers. It was also spammed all over the comments sections the same way that you've been spamming the comments sections with that web-link to that amateur news website in the last day or two. It was also on Facebook, still is, so could have easily gone viral if people cared enough about the cause to click 'share', but for reasons you're struggling with, people didn't like and/or share it. I'm just presenting some REAL DATA here as a counter argument to your exaggerated and over extrapolated 'facts' (opinions) and predictions. The evidence from this petition heavily suggests that it's actually you yourself that might be a little deluded and out of touch with what the majority of the town think.[/p][/quote]So your telling me the greens are doing a good job and going to be re-elected are you? You think the majority are in favour of the greens in B&H? Brighton1000
  • Score: 13

10:48am Fri 17 Jan 14

Richada says...

Warren Morgan wrote:
Last year Jason Kitcat called a council tax referendum "mad" and "unworkable": http://www.brightona

ndhovenews.org/2013/

07/25/green-leader-o

f-brighton-and-hove-

rules-out-council-ta

x-referendum/22735
Thanks for that link - I guess the temptation to spend £230,000 of our money just proved too great in the end.
[quote][p][bold]Warren Morgan[/bold] wrote: Last year Jason Kitcat called a council tax referendum "mad" and "unworkable": http://www.brightona ndhovenews.org/2013/ 07/25/green-leader-o f-brighton-and-hove- rules-out-council-ta x-referendum/22735[/p][/quote]Thanks for that link - I guess the temptation to spend £230,000 of our money just proved too great in the end. Richada
  • Score: 7

11:03am Fri 17 Jan 14

Richada says...

Tallywhacker wrote:
Who exactly are these "vulnerable" that need more funds anyway? And what are the new funds going to be used for? And as the greens keep using these "vulnerable" as an excuse for a tax rise why is it on the enire council tax amount, surely it only needs to be on the amount that the "vulnerable" are getting. Is the entire 4.5% increase going to be ringfenced and only used for the "vulnerable" or is it just a feeble political **** propaganda exercise from the greens again. It really is surprising how when politicians want more money the "vulnerable" always seem to pop up and be used as guilt trip. Well I'm not going to feel guilty, if you want an increase it doesn't need to be on the entire council budget does it. just on the "vulnerable" so stop the fake caring and stop using them for your political purposes.
I think all of Brighton's residents are becoming increasingly "vulnerable" here.

The current administration clearly has no idea how the average council tax payer lives in this city - nor indeed what we expect in the way of services in return for our payments to the council.

If the everyday services ran well, then, just maybe, we would consider voting for an above twice inflation rate charge increase. As it is, huge sums of money have been spent on schemes which in no way advantage the majority here - at the direct expense of services that we all use - such as the refuse collection, which remains in total chaos.

I rather see this referendum as a vote of "no confidence". If the council are going to spend £230,000 on it PLEASE everybody take the chance to vote!
[quote][p][bold]Tallywhacker[/bold] wrote: Who exactly are these "vulnerable" that need more funds anyway? And what are the new funds going to be used for? And as the greens keep using these "vulnerable" as an excuse for a tax rise why is it on the enire council tax amount, surely it only needs to be on the amount that the "vulnerable" are getting. Is the entire 4.5% increase going to be ringfenced and only used for the "vulnerable" or is it just a feeble political **** propaganda exercise from the greens again. It really is surprising how when politicians want more money the "vulnerable" always seem to pop up and be used as guilt trip. Well I'm not going to feel guilty, if you want an increase it doesn't need to be on the entire council budget does it. just on the "vulnerable" so stop the fake caring and stop using them for your political purposes.[/p][/quote]I think all of Brighton's residents are becoming increasingly "vulnerable" here. The current administration clearly has no idea how the average council tax payer lives in this city - nor indeed what we expect in the way of services in return for our payments to the council. If the everyday services ran well, then, just maybe, we would consider voting for an above twice inflation rate charge increase. As it is, huge sums of money have been spent on schemes which in no way advantage the majority here - at the direct expense of services that we all use - such as the refuse collection, which remains in total chaos. I rather see this referendum as a vote of "no confidence". If the council are going to spend £230,000 on it PLEASE everybody take the chance to vote! Richada
  • Score: 12

11:07am Fri 17 Jan 14

Richada says...

pithound wrote:
How can you hold a referendum on 22 May 2014 when the Council Tax needs to be set prior to 1 April 2014 and collected from 1 April 2014?
..........In order to maximise the cost and waste to the public purse.

How Green is all of this I ask?

The bills for 2014 / 2015 will finish up in the same state as our rubbish / re-cycling collection.
[quote][p][bold]pithound[/bold] wrote: How can you hold a referendum on 22 May 2014 when the Council Tax needs to be set prior to 1 April 2014 and collected from 1 April 2014?[/p][/quote]..........In order to maximise the cost and waste to the public purse. How Green is all of this I ask? The bills for 2014 / 2015 will finish up in the same state as our rubbish / re-cycling collection. Richada
  • Score: 7

11:16am Fri 17 Jan 14

Gribbet says...

Brighton1000 wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Many Labour members and voters must be truly embarrassed tonight as the Labour leader Warren Morgan and councillors have let down once more the must vulnerable in the city for political opportunism. Now you are with the Tories, eager to cut and privatise. If you have any moral fibre left you should be ripping up your membership cards! But then you would have done that when Warren Morgan would not back the Greens in protecting those in arrears due to the bedroom tax.

This should have been the whole council seeking a council tax rise, all fighting to protect the services of this amazing city, sadly only the Greens stand by their principles.

It was Warren Morgan and the Labour group that contributed to the cuts the city faces, by joining with their friends the Tories in voting down a 2% council tax rise, we could have avoided many cuts already made and the need to raise the council tax tax above 2%.

Vote Labour get Tory. Has a good ring for May 2015.
A far better ring than 'greens, here to **** up your city for another few years'. Vote of no confidence is on its way. Bye bye Kitwat
Despite the wailings of the moanerati, B&H has been successful in finding efficiencies, getting external funding for transport projects in particular and avoiding the worst of the cuts despite some of the deepest government cuts. It is difficult to name a council that has cut less than Brighton and Hove. The budgets have been balanced, we have outperformed the economy and business and developers have and are investing hundreds of millions in the city.

Hardly ******* it up.

The vote of no confidence is little more than a power game by Labour. The Labour councillors clearly are more intent on power than supporting the most vulnerable in city. Like I say, vote Labour get Tory.
Whatever, We will see, Im past rising to your spin. The 'Monerati' you talk of are voters, Enough said. PS where exactly do you live again?
Brighton
For a Brighton resident you seem way out of touch with their views. You constantly blame the Argus website, However it is pretty much the only place you get a real feel for what Brightonians think. Please explain, How exactly do you see the greens as staying in any kind of power in the future? And dont spin it its so boring
"(the argus) is pretty much the only place you get a real feel for what Brightonians think"

Not if this recent petition is anything to go by. From a city of 275000 residents, only 682 people signed this petition for a vote of no confidence against the greens, which is half the number of signatures needed. The petition has not only been running for 3 months, but it has also been publicised here in the Argus and yet only 682 signatures? What a failure, hardly difficult to sign an e-petition is it?

I guess you'll reply the usual way when one of your vocal minority is backed into a corner by saying this is 'spin' but can't see how evidence could be much clearer of what Brightonians actually think

htt p://present.brighton




-hov
e.gov.uk/mgEPetition




Disp
lay.aspx?Id=391.
Yes, More spin. How well advertised was the petition? I didnt say the Argus has every brighton & hove resident visiting the site did i? If all residents were made aware of the petition, you know as well as i do it would recieve well over what was required to have some clout.

If the greens are so confident they are seen as a successful and wanted party in Brighton then stick a vote of no confidence vote in with the referendum (cant see any additional cost for this as we are having 1 anyway), Then let the residents decide.

You are either deluded, Or as short sighted as your party if you truly believe the residents of Brighton and Hove will ever re elect you ever again.
Well there was a full article about it a couple of months ago for all readers to see, but doesn't look like there were many takers.

It was also spammed all over the comments sections the same way that you've been spamming the comments sections with that web-link to that amateur news website in the last day or two.

It was also on Facebook, still is, so could have easily gone viral if people cared enough about the cause to click 'share', but for reasons you're struggling with, people didn't like and/or share it.

I'm just presenting some REAL DATA here as a counter argument to your exaggerated and over extrapolated 'facts' (opinions) and predictions. The evidence from this petition heavily suggests that it's actually you yourself that might be a little deluded and out of touch with what the majority of the town think.
So your telling me the greens are doing a good job and going to be re-elected are you? You think the majority are in favour of the greens in B&H?
In light of the evidence, do you still think you're a good spokesperson for the people of Brighton & Hove?

...Or do you now understand not to confuse fact with opinion so readily?
[quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Many Labour members and voters must be truly embarrassed tonight as the Labour leader Warren Morgan and councillors have let down once more the must vulnerable in the city for political opportunism. Now you are with the Tories, eager to cut and privatise. If you have any moral fibre left you should be ripping up your membership cards! But then you would have done that when Warren Morgan would not back the Greens in protecting those in arrears due to the bedroom tax. This should have been the whole council seeking a council tax rise, all fighting to protect the services of this amazing city, sadly only the Greens stand by their principles. It was Warren Morgan and the Labour group that contributed to the cuts the city faces, by joining with their friends the Tories in voting down a 2% council tax rise, we could have avoided many cuts already made and the need to raise the council tax tax above 2%. Vote Labour get Tory. Has a good ring for May 2015.[/p][/quote]A far better ring than 'greens, here to **** up your city for another few years'. Vote of no confidence is on its way. Bye bye Kitwat[/p][/quote]Despite the wailings of the moanerati, B&H has been successful in finding efficiencies, getting external funding for transport projects in particular and avoiding the worst of the cuts despite some of the deepest government cuts. It is difficult to name a council that has cut less than Brighton and Hove. The budgets have been balanced, we have outperformed the economy and business and developers have and are investing hundreds of millions in the city. Hardly ******* it up. The vote of no confidence is little more than a power game by Labour. The Labour councillors clearly are more intent on power than supporting the most vulnerable in city. Like I say, vote Labour get Tory.[/p][/quote]Whatever, We will see, Im past rising to your spin. The 'Monerati' you talk of are voters, Enough said. PS where exactly do you live again?[/p][/quote]Brighton[/p][/quote]For a Brighton resident you seem way out of touch with their views. You constantly blame the Argus website, However it is pretty much the only place you get a real feel for what Brightonians think. Please explain, How exactly do you see the greens as staying in any kind of power in the future? And dont spin it its so boring[/p][/quote]"(the argus) is pretty much the only place you get a real feel for what Brightonians think" Not if this recent petition is anything to go by. From a city of 275000 residents, only 682 people signed this petition for a vote of no confidence against the greens, which is half the number of signatures needed. The petition has not only been running for 3 months, but it has also been publicised here in the Argus and yet only 682 signatures? What a failure, hardly difficult to sign an e-petition is it? I guess you'll reply the usual way when one of your vocal minority is backed into a corner by saying this is 'spin' but can't see how evidence could be much clearer of what Brightonians actually think htt p://present.brighton -hov e.gov.uk/mgEPetition Disp lay.aspx?Id=391.[/p][/quote]Yes, More spin. How well advertised was the petition? I didnt say the Argus has every brighton & hove resident visiting the site did i? If all residents were made aware of the petition, you know as well as i do it would recieve well over what was required to have some clout. If the greens are so confident they are seen as a successful and wanted party in Brighton then stick a vote of no confidence vote in with the referendum (cant see any additional cost for this as we are having 1 anyway), Then let the residents decide. You are either deluded, Or as short sighted as your party if you truly believe the residents of Brighton and Hove will ever re elect you ever again.[/p][/quote]Well there was a full article about it a couple of months ago for all readers to see, but doesn't look like there were many takers. It was also spammed all over the comments sections the same way that you've been spamming the comments sections with that web-link to that amateur news website in the last day or two. It was also on Facebook, still is, so could have easily gone viral if people cared enough about the cause to click 'share', but for reasons you're struggling with, people didn't like and/or share it. I'm just presenting some REAL DATA here as a counter argument to your exaggerated and over extrapolated 'facts' (opinions) and predictions. The evidence from this petition heavily suggests that it's actually you yourself that might be a little deluded and out of touch with what the majority of the town think.[/p][/quote]So your telling me the greens are doing a good job and going to be re-elected are you? You think the majority are in favour of the greens in B&H?[/p][/quote]In light of the evidence, do you still think you're a good spokesperson for the people of Brighton & Hove? ...Or do you now understand not to confuse fact with opinion so readily? Gribbet
  • Score: -2

11:43am Fri 17 Jan 14

eartheart says...

Well done to the council - i didn't think the Greens had it in them, Someone has to stand up to the destruction of the public realm and democracy. The vicious response of Labour in calling for a vote of no-confidence and not letting the public decide what to do. The government of Labour and Tories have restricted councils right to make decisions so we have to pay this money to have a referendum
Well done to the council - i didn't think the Greens had it in them, Someone has to stand up to the destruction of the public realm and democracy. The vicious response of Labour in calling for a vote of no-confidence and not letting the public decide what to do. The government of Labour and Tories have restricted councils right to make decisions so we have to pay this money to have a referendum eartheart
  • Score: -15

11:51am Fri 17 Jan 14

Brighton1000 says...

Gribbet wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Many Labour members and voters must be truly embarrassed tonight as the Labour leader Warren Morgan and councillors have let down once more the must vulnerable in the city for political opportunism. Now you are with the Tories, eager to cut and privatise. If you have any moral fibre left you should be ripping up your membership cards! But then you would have done that when Warren Morgan would not back the Greens in protecting those in arrears due to the bedroom tax.

This should have been the whole council seeking a council tax rise, all fighting to protect the services of this amazing city, sadly only the Greens stand by their principles.

It was Warren Morgan and the Labour group that contributed to the cuts the city faces, by joining with their friends the Tories in voting down a 2% council tax rise, we could have avoided many cuts already made and the need to raise the council tax tax above 2%.

Vote Labour get Tory. Has a good ring for May 2015.
A far better ring than 'greens, here to **** up your city for another few years'. Vote of no confidence is on its way. Bye bye Kitwat
Despite the wailings of the moanerati, B&H has been successful in finding efficiencies, getting external funding for transport projects in particular and avoiding the worst of the cuts despite some of the deepest government cuts. It is difficult to name a council that has cut less than Brighton and Hove. The budgets have been balanced, we have outperformed the economy and business and developers have and are investing hundreds of millions in the city.

Hardly ******* it up.

The vote of no confidence is little more than a power game by Labour. The Labour councillors clearly are more intent on power than supporting the most vulnerable in city. Like I say, vote Labour get Tory.
Whatever, We will see, Im past rising to your spin. The 'Monerati' you talk of are voters, Enough said. PS where exactly do you live again?
Brighton
For a Brighton resident you seem way out of touch with their views. You constantly blame the Argus website, However it is pretty much the only place you get a real feel for what Brightonians think. Please explain, How exactly do you see the greens as staying in any kind of power in the future? And dont spin it its so boring
"(the argus) is pretty much the only place you get a real feel for what Brightonians think"

Not if this recent petition is anything to go by. From a city of 275000 residents, only 682 people signed this petition for a vote of no confidence against the greens, which is half the number of signatures needed. The petition has not only been running for 3 months, but it has also been publicised here in the Argus and yet only 682 signatures? What a failure, hardly difficult to sign an e-petition is it?

I guess you'll reply the usual way when one of your vocal minority is backed into a corner by saying this is 'spin' but can't see how evidence could be much clearer of what Brightonians actually think

htt p://present.brighton





-hov
e.gov.uk/mgEPetition





Disp
lay.aspx?Id=391.
Yes, More spin. How well advertised was the petition? I didnt say the Argus has every brighton & hove resident visiting the site did i? If all residents were made aware of the petition, you know as well as i do it would recieve well over what was required to have some clout.

If the greens are so confident they are seen as a successful and wanted party in Brighton then stick a vote of no confidence vote in with the referendum (cant see any additional cost for this as we are having 1 anyway), Then let the residents decide.

You are either deluded, Or as short sighted as your party if you truly believe the residents of Brighton and Hove will ever re elect you ever again.
Well there was a full article about it a couple of months ago for all readers to see, but doesn't look like there were many takers.

It was also spammed all over the comments sections the same way that you've been spamming the comments sections with that web-link to that amateur news website in the last day or two.

It was also on Facebook, still is, so could have easily gone viral if people cared enough about the cause to click 'share', but for reasons you're struggling with, people didn't like and/or share it.

I'm just presenting some REAL DATA here as a counter argument to your exaggerated and over extrapolated 'facts' (opinions) and predictions. The evidence from this petition heavily suggests that it's actually you yourself that might be a little deluded and out of touch with what the majority of the town think.
So your telling me the greens are doing a good job and going to be re-elected are you? You think the majority are in favour of the greens in B&H?
In light of the evidence, do you still think you're a good spokesperson for the people of Brighton & Hove?

...Or do you now understand not to confuse fact with opinion so readily?
When did I nominate myself as a spokeperson for B&H? I am airing my views and opinions.

Dont try and belittle me pal.

And what 'evidence' are you talking of? I think you obviously realise the greens are doing a **** poor job, people are asking for a vote of no confidence, every media I look at, the greens are getting a slating. Please supply me some 'evidence' of their popularity in B&H.

There is one fact, And thats they are on their merry way out
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Many Labour members and voters must be truly embarrassed tonight as the Labour leader Warren Morgan and councillors have let down once more the must vulnerable in the city for political opportunism. Now you are with the Tories, eager to cut and privatise. If you have any moral fibre left you should be ripping up your membership cards! But then you would have done that when Warren Morgan would not back the Greens in protecting those in arrears due to the bedroom tax. This should have been the whole council seeking a council tax rise, all fighting to protect the services of this amazing city, sadly only the Greens stand by their principles. It was Warren Morgan and the Labour group that contributed to the cuts the city faces, by joining with their friends the Tories in voting down a 2% council tax rise, we could have avoided many cuts already made and the need to raise the council tax tax above 2%. Vote Labour get Tory. Has a good ring for May 2015.[/p][/quote]A far better ring than 'greens, here to **** up your city for another few years'. Vote of no confidence is on its way. Bye bye Kitwat[/p][/quote]Despite the wailings of the moanerati, B&H has been successful in finding efficiencies, getting external funding for transport projects in particular and avoiding the worst of the cuts despite some of the deepest government cuts. It is difficult to name a council that has cut less than Brighton and Hove. The budgets have been balanced, we have outperformed the economy and business and developers have and are investing hundreds of millions in the city. Hardly ******* it up. The vote of no confidence is little more than a power game by Labour. The Labour councillors clearly are more intent on power than supporting the most vulnerable in city. Like I say, vote Labour get Tory.[/p][/quote]Whatever, We will see, Im past rising to your spin. The 'Monerati' you talk of are voters, Enough said. PS where exactly do you live again?[/p][/quote]Brighton[/p][/quote]For a Brighton resident you seem way out of touch with their views. You constantly blame the Argus website, However it is pretty much the only place you get a real feel for what Brightonians think. Please explain, How exactly do you see the greens as staying in any kind of power in the future? And dont spin it its so boring[/p][/quote]"(the argus) is pretty much the only place you get a real feel for what Brightonians think" Not if this recent petition is anything to go by. From a city of 275000 residents, only 682 people signed this petition for a vote of no confidence against the greens, which is half the number of signatures needed. The petition has not only been running for 3 months, but it has also been publicised here in the Argus and yet only 682 signatures? What a failure, hardly difficult to sign an e-petition is it? I guess you'll reply the usual way when one of your vocal minority is backed into a corner by saying this is 'spin' but can't see how evidence could be much clearer of what Brightonians actually think htt p://present.brighton -hov e.gov.uk/mgEPetition Disp lay.aspx?Id=391.[/p][/quote]Yes, More spin. How well advertised was the petition? I didnt say the Argus has every brighton & hove resident visiting the site did i? If all residents were made aware of the petition, you know as well as i do it would recieve well over what was required to have some clout. If the greens are so confident they are seen as a successful and wanted party in Brighton then stick a vote of no confidence vote in with the referendum (cant see any additional cost for this as we are having 1 anyway), Then let the residents decide. You are either deluded, Or as short sighted as your party if you truly believe the residents of Brighton and Hove will ever re elect you ever again.[/p][/quote]Well there was a full article about it a couple of months ago for all readers to see, but doesn't look like there were many takers. It was also spammed all over the comments sections the same way that you've been spamming the comments sections with that web-link to that amateur news website in the last day or two. It was also on Facebook, still is, so could have easily gone viral if people cared enough about the cause to click 'share', but for reasons you're struggling with, people didn't like and/or share it. I'm just presenting some REAL DATA here as a counter argument to your exaggerated and over extrapolated 'facts' (opinions) and predictions. The evidence from this petition heavily suggests that it's actually you yourself that might be a little deluded and out of touch with what the majority of the town think.[/p][/quote]So your telling me the greens are doing a good job and going to be re-elected are you? You think the majority are in favour of the greens in B&H?[/p][/quote]In light of the evidence, do you still think you're a good spokesperson for the people of Brighton & Hove? ...Or do you now understand not to confuse fact with opinion so readily?[/p][/quote]When did I nominate myself as a spokeperson for B&H? I am airing my views and opinions. Dont try and belittle me pal. And what 'evidence' are you talking of? I think you obviously realise the greens are doing a **** poor job, people are asking for a vote of no confidence, every media I look at, the greens are getting a slating. Please supply me some 'evidence' of their popularity in B&H. There is one fact, And thats they are on their merry way out Brighton1000
  • Score: 11

12:08pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Brighton1000 says...

Everyone please take part

http://www.smartsurv
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Everyone please take part http://www.smartsurv ey.co.uk/s/CouncilTa x2014 Brighton1000
  • Score: 5

12:11pm Fri 17 Jan 14

clubrob6 says...

The greens are wasteing so much money,it must have cost a fortune to set up the 20MPH speed limit with the road markings etc and everyone ignores it.They have filled in several bowling greens at great cost and in some cases planted wild flowers on them.Last year you could not hire bowls or use facilities like the mini golf course on hove seafront as they were not open during a nice summer.The list is endless.But if the extra money was guaranteed to go to looking after our genuine sick and disabled I would gladly pay more money for there social care.The government are making the poorest etc in our society pat for the cuts for debts built up by CORRUPT bankers and the three main parties.Simply because they know most of the poor wont speak out.The pressure on most of our public services especially the NHS,benefits,and school places,housing is due to the fact the three main parties have flooded the country with millions of immigrants without providing public services for them.Its NOT the immigrants fault but the last few governments.
The greens are wasteing so much money,it must have cost a fortune to set up the 20MPH speed limit with the road markings etc and everyone ignores it.They have filled in several bowling greens at great cost and in some cases planted wild flowers on them.Last year you could not hire bowls or use facilities like the mini golf course on hove seafront as they were not open during a nice summer.The list is endless.But if the extra money was guaranteed to go to looking after our genuine sick and disabled I would gladly pay more money for there social care.The government are making the poorest etc in our society pat for the cuts for debts built up by CORRUPT bankers and the three main parties.Simply because they know most of the poor wont speak out.The pressure on most of our public services especially the NHS,benefits,and school places,housing is due to the fact the three main parties have flooded the country with millions of immigrants without providing public services for them.Its NOT the immigrants fault but the last few governments. clubrob6
  • Score: 7

12:20pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Gribbet says...

Brighton1000 wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Many Labour members and voters must be truly embarrassed tonight as the Labour leader Warren Morgan and councillors have let down once more the must vulnerable in the city for political opportunism. Now you are with the Tories, eager to cut and privatise. If you have any moral fibre left you should be ripping up your membership cards! But then you would have done that when Warren Morgan would not back the Greens in protecting those in arrears due to the bedroom tax.

This should have been the whole council seeking a council tax rise, all fighting to protect the services of this amazing city, sadly only the Greens stand by their principles.

It was Warren Morgan and the Labour group that contributed to the cuts the city faces, by joining with their friends the Tories in voting down a 2% council tax rise, we could have avoided many cuts already made and the need to raise the council tax tax above 2%.

Vote Labour get Tory. Has a good ring for May 2015.
A far better ring than 'greens, here to **** up your city for another few years'. Vote of no confidence is on its way. Bye bye Kitwat
Despite the wailings of the moanerati, B&H has been successful in finding efficiencies, getting external funding for transport projects in particular and avoiding the worst of the cuts despite some of the deepest government cuts. It is difficult to name a council that has cut less than Brighton and Hove. The budgets have been balanced, we have outperformed the economy and business and developers have and are investing hundreds of millions in the city.

Hardly ******* it up.

The vote of no confidence is little more than a power game by Labour. The Labour councillors clearly are more intent on power than supporting the most vulnerable in city. Like I say, vote Labour get Tory.
Whatever, We will see, Im past rising to your spin. The 'Monerati' you talk of are voters, Enough said. PS where exactly do you live again?
Brighton
For a Brighton resident you seem way out of touch with their views. You constantly blame the Argus website, However it is pretty much the only place you get a real feel for what Brightonians think. Please explain, How exactly do you see the greens as staying in any kind of power in the future? And dont spin it its so boring
"(the argus) is pretty much the only place you get a real feel for what Brightonians think"

Not if this recent petition is anything to go by. From a city of 275000 residents, only 682 people signed this petition for a vote of no confidence against the greens, which is half the number of signatures needed. The petition has not only been running for 3 months, but it has also been publicised here in the Argus and yet only 682 signatures? What a failure, hardly difficult to sign an e-petition is it?

I guess you'll reply the usual way when one of your vocal minority is backed into a corner by saying this is 'spin' but can't see how evidence could be much clearer of what Brightonians actually think

htt p://present.brighton






-hov
e.gov.uk/mgEPetition






Disp
lay.aspx?Id=391.
Yes, More spin. How well advertised was the petition? I didnt say the Argus has every brighton & hove resident visiting the site did i? If all residents were made aware of the petition, you know as well as i do it would recieve well over what was required to have some clout.

If the greens are so confident they are seen as a successful and wanted party in Brighton then stick a vote of no confidence vote in with the referendum (cant see any additional cost for this as we are having 1 anyway), Then let the residents decide.

You are either deluded, Or as short sighted as your party if you truly believe the residents of Brighton and Hove will ever re elect you ever again.
Well there was a full article about it a couple of months ago for all readers to see, but doesn't look like there were many takers.

It was also spammed all over the comments sections the same way that you've been spamming the comments sections with that web-link to that amateur news website in the last day or two.

It was also on Facebook, still is, so could have easily gone viral if people cared enough about the cause to click 'share', but for reasons you're struggling with, people didn't like and/or share it.

I'm just presenting some REAL DATA here as a counter argument to your exaggerated and over extrapolated 'facts' (opinions) and predictions. The evidence from this petition heavily suggests that it's actually you yourself that might be a little deluded and out of touch with what the majority of the town think.
So your telling me the greens are doing a good job and going to be re-elected are you? You think the majority are in favour of the greens in B&H?
In light of the evidence, do you still think you're a good spokesperson for the people of Brighton & Hove?

...Or do you now understand not to confuse fact with opinion so readily?
When did I nominate myself as a spokeperson for B&H? I am airing my views and opinions.

Dont try and belittle me pal.

And what 'evidence' are you talking of? I think you obviously realise the greens are doing a **** poor job, people are asking for a vote of no confidence, every media I look at, the greens are getting a slating. Please supply me some 'evidence' of their popularity in B&H.

There is one fact, And thats they are on their merry way out
Well, you seem to be back-pedalling a bit now.

Again, you've used an opinion there about something you think might happen in the future, but you're saying it's a fact even though it hasn't happened yet.

Here are some recent examples where it looks like you've nominated yourself as a spokesperson for the people of Brighton & Hove:

"For a Brighton resident you seem way out of touch with their views."

"You are either deluded, Or as short sighted as your party if you truly believe the residents of Brighton and Hove will ever re elect you ever again."

"If all residents were made aware of the petition, you know as well as i do it would recieve (sic) well over what was required to have some clout."
[quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Many Labour members and voters must be truly embarrassed tonight as the Labour leader Warren Morgan and councillors have let down once more the must vulnerable in the city for political opportunism. Now you are with the Tories, eager to cut and privatise. If you have any moral fibre left you should be ripping up your membership cards! But then you would have done that when Warren Morgan would not back the Greens in protecting those in arrears due to the bedroom tax. This should have been the whole council seeking a council tax rise, all fighting to protect the services of this amazing city, sadly only the Greens stand by their principles. It was Warren Morgan and the Labour group that contributed to the cuts the city faces, by joining with their friends the Tories in voting down a 2% council tax rise, we could have avoided many cuts already made and the need to raise the council tax tax above 2%. Vote Labour get Tory. Has a good ring for May 2015.[/p][/quote]A far better ring than 'greens, here to **** up your city for another few years'. Vote of no confidence is on its way. Bye bye Kitwat[/p][/quote]Despite the wailings of the moanerati, B&H has been successful in finding efficiencies, getting external funding for transport projects in particular and avoiding the worst of the cuts despite some of the deepest government cuts. It is difficult to name a council that has cut less than Brighton and Hove. The budgets have been balanced, we have outperformed the economy and business and developers have and are investing hundreds of millions in the city. Hardly ******* it up. The vote of no confidence is little more than a power game by Labour. The Labour councillors clearly are more intent on power than supporting the most vulnerable in city. Like I say, vote Labour get Tory.[/p][/quote]Whatever, We will see, Im past rising to your spin. The 'Monerati' you talk of are voters, Enough said. PS where exactly do you live again?[/p][/quote]Brighton[/p][/quote]For a Brighton resident you seem way out of touch with their views. You constantly blame the Argus website, However it is pretty much the only place you get a real feel for what Brightonians think. Please explain, How exactly do you see the greens as staying in any kind of power in the future? And dont spin it its so boring[/p][/quote]"(the argus) is pretty much the only place you get a real feel for what Brightonians think" Not if this recent petition is anything to go by. From a city of 275000 residents, only 682 people signed this petition for a vote of no confidence against the greens, which is half the number of signatures needed. The petition has not only been running for 3 months, but it has also been publicised here in the Argus and yet only 682 signatures? What a failure, hardly difficult to sign an e-petition is it? I guess you'll reply the usual way when one of your vocal minority is backed into a corner by saying this is 'spin' but can't see how evidence could be much clearer of what Brightonians actually think htt p://present.brighton -hov e.gov.uk/mgEPetition Disp lay.aspx?Id=391.[/p][/quote]Yes, More spin. How well advertised was the petition? I didnt say the Argus has every brighton & hove resident visiting the site did i? If all residents were made aware of the petition, you know as well as i do it would recieve well over what was required to have some clout. If the greens are so confident they are seen as a successful and wanted party in Brighton then stick a vote of no confidence vote in with the referendum (cant see any additional cost for this as we are having 1 anyway), Then let the residents decide. You are either deluded, Or as short sighted as your party if you truly believe the residents of Brighton and Hove will ever re elect you ever again.[/p][/quote]Well there was a full article about it a couple of months ago for all readers to see, but doesn't look like there were many takers. It was also spammed all over the comments sections the same way that you've been spamming the comments sections with that web-link to that amateur news website in the last day or two. It was also on Facebook, still is, so could have easily gone viral if people cared enough about the cause to click 'share', but for reasons you're struggling with, people didn't like and/or share it. I'm just presenting some REAL DATA here as a counter argument to your exaggerated and over extrapolated 'facts' (opinions) and predictions. The evidence from this petition heavily suggests that it's actually you yourself that might be a little deluded and out of touch with what the majority of the town think.[/p][/quote]So your telling me the greens are doing a good job and going to be re-elected are you? You think the majority are in favour of the greens in B&H?[/p][/quote]In light of the evidence, do you still think you're a good spokesperson for the people of Brighton & Hove? ...Or do you now understand not to confuse fact with opinion so readily?[/p][/quote]When did I nominate myself as a spokeperson for B&H? I am airing my views and opinions. Dont try and belittle me pal. And what 'evidence' are you talking of? I think you obviously realise the greens are doing a **** poor job, people are asking for a vote of no confidence, every media I look at, the greens are getting a slating. Please supply me some 'evidence' of their popularity in B&H. There is one fact, And thats they are on their merry way out[/p][/quote]Well, you seem to be back-pedalling a bit now. Again, you've used an opinion there about something you think might happen in the future, but you're saying it's a fact even though it hasn't happened yet. Here are some recent examples where it looks like you've nominated yourself as a spokesperson for the people of Brighton & Hove: "For a Brighton resident you seem way out of touch with their views." "You are either deluded, Or as short sighted as your party if you truly believe the residents of Brighton and Hove will ever re elect you ever again." "If all residents were made aware of the petition, you know as well as i do it would recieve (sic) well over what was required to have some clout." Gribbet
  • Score: -4

12:38pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Gribbet says...

Brighton1000 wrote:
Everyone please take part

http://www.smartsurv

ey.co.uk/s/CouncilTa

x2014
This is much better from you, at least now you're trying to find out what Brighton people think rather than falsely claiming that everyone in town shares your opinions.
[quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: Everyone please take part http://www.smartsurv ey.co.uk/s/CouncilTa x2014[/p][/quote]This is much better from you, at least now you're trying to find out what Brighton people think rather than falsely claiming that everyone in town shares your opinions. Gribbet
  • Score: -3

12:50pm Fri 17 Jan 14

thevoiceoftruth says...

Things the green party have spent money on. Clearly they feel these projects are more important than the vulnerable:

One planet city
Urban biosphere bids
Blanket 20mph zones
Old Shoreham Road cycle path - cost to taxpayers £400k (plus 300k funding)
The Lewes Road disaster - cost to taxpayers £2.4 million (plus £4 million funding)
Travellers - went over budget by £200k
Mediation - because they can't speak to each other
Grazing projects - cost £140,000
The golliwog witch hunt
Gambling £14 million on the i360 project
Bin dispute
Reprint of refuse/recycling leaflet due to errors
Seven dials roundabout - cost £800k (£175k over budget)
Troubled families programme - cost £1.25 million - helped 8 families

Any more?
Things the green party have spent money on. Clearly they feel these projects are more important than the vulnerable: One planet city Urban biosphere bids Blanket 20mph zones Old Shoreham Road cycle path - cost to taxpayers £400k (plus 300k funding) The Lewes Road disaster - cost to taxpayers £2.4 million (plus £4 million funding) Travellers - went over budget by £200k Mediation - because they can't speak to each other Grazing projects - cost £140,000 The golliwog witch hunt Gambling £14 million on the i360 project Bin dispute Reprint of refuse/recycling leaflet due to errors Seven dials roundabout - cost £800k (£175k over budget) Troubled families programme - cost £1.25 million - helped 8 families Any more? thevoiceoftruth
  • Score: 13

1:22pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Richada says...

Gribbet wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
Everyone please take part

http://www.smartsurv


ey.co.uk/s/CouncilTa


x2014
This is much better from you, at least now you're trying to find out what Brighton people think rather than falsely claiming that everyone in town shares your opinions.
Thanks for the link - I have indeed taken part.
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: Everyone please take part http://www.smartsurv ey.co.uk/s/CouncilTa x2014[/p][/quote]This is much better from you, at least now you're trying to find out what Brighton people think rather than falsely claiming that everyone in town shares your opinions.[/p][/quote]Thanks for the link - I have indeed taken part. Richada
  • Score: 1

1:24pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Richada says...

thevoiceoftruth wrote:
Things the green party have spent money on. Clearly they feel these projects are more important than the vulnerable:

One planet city
Urban biosphere bids
Blanket 20mph zones
Old Shoreham Road cycle path - cost to taxpayers £400k (plus 300k funding)
The Lewes Road disaster - cost to taxpayers £2.4 million (plus £4 million funding)
Travellers - went over budget by £200k
Mediation - because they can't speak to each other
Grazing projects - cost £140,000
The golliwog witch hunt
Gambling £14 million on the i360 project
Bin dispute
Reprint of refuse/recycling leaflet due to errors
Seven dials roundabout - cost £800k (£175k over budget)
Troubled families programme - cost £1.25 million - helped 8 families

Any more?
Ineffective LED street lighting anyone?
[quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: Things the green party have spent money on. Clearly they feel these projects are more important than the vulnerable: One planet city Urban biosphere bids Blanket 20mph zones Old Shoreham Road cycle path - cost to taxpayers £400k (plus 300k funding) The Lewes Road disaster - cost to taxpayers £2.4 million (plus £4 million funding) Travellers - went over budget by £200k Mediation - because they can't speak to each other Grazing projects - cost £140,000 The golliwog witch hunt Gambling £14 million on the i360 project Bin dispute Reprint of refuse/recycling leaflet due to errors Seven dials roundabout - cost £800k (£175k over budget) Troubled families programme - cost £1.25 million - helped 8 families Any more?[/p][/quote]Ineffective LED street lighting anyone? Richada
  • Score: 9

1:31pm Fri 17 Jan 14

DC Brighton says...

Richada wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
Things the green party have spent money on. Clearly they feel these projects are more important than the vulnerable:

One planet city
Urban biosphere bids
Blanket 20mph zones
Old Shoreham Road cycle path - cost to taxpayers £400k (plus 300k funding)
The Lewes Road disaster - cost to taxpayers £2.4 million (plus £4 million funding)
Travellers - went over budget by £200k
Mediation - because they can't speak to each other
Grazing projects - cost £140,000
The golliwog witch hunt
Gambling £14 million on the i360 project
Bin dispute
Reprint of refuse/recycling leaflet due to errors
Seven dials roundabout - cost £800k (£175k over budget)
Troubled families programme - cost £1.25 million - helped 8 families

Any more?
Ineffective LED street lighting anyone?
The recent rollout of new communal recycling bins...way more important, obviously.
[quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: Things the green party have spent money on. Clearly they feel these projects are more important than the vulnerable: One planet city Urban biosphere bids Blanket 20mph zones Old Shoreham Road cycle path - cost to taxpayers £400k (plus 300k funding) The Lewes Road disaster - cost to taxpayers £2.4 million (plus £4 million funding) Travellers - went over budget by £200k Mediation - because they can't speak to each other Grazing projects - cost £140,000 The golliwog witch hunt Gambling £14 million on the i360 project Bin dispute Reprint of refuse/recycling leaflet due to errors Seven dials roundabout - cost £800k (£175k over budget) Troubled families programme - cost £1.25 million - helped 8 families Any more?[/p][/quote]Ineffective LED street lighting anyone?[/p][/quote]The recent rollout of new communal recycling bins...way more important, obviously. DC Brighton
  • Score: 8

2:08pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Just asking! says...

Please can someone from the Green Party tell us which services will be cut to pay for the referendum. Whatever the outcome, there will be £250K of additional cuts to be found.
Please can someone from the Green Party tell us which services will be cut to pay for the referendum. Whatever the outcome, there will be £250K of additional cuts to be found. Just asking!
  • Score: 9

2:34pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Richada says...

Just asking! wrote:
Please can someone from the Green Party tell us which services will be cut to pay for the referendum. Whatever the outcome, there will be £250K of additional cuts to be found.
They got more than that for the dust carts surely?
[quote][p][bold]Just asking![/bold] wrote: Please can someone from the Green Party tell us which services will be cut to pay for the referendum. Whatever the outcome, there will be £250K of additional cuts to be found.[/p][/quote]They got more than that for the dust carts surely? Richada
  • Score: 0

2:38pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Rearrangethedeckchairs says...

OK opposition and particularly Labour- money where your mouth is time. I think the Greens are a shambles to a large extent but we would be getting these huge reductions in council budgets from Central Government whatever political colour the council was. But if the Greens are the epitome of all that is useless and evil and financially we would be so much better off with another party or parties in charge there are a number of choices:
- Labour and Tory go into coalition to take over the council- which they could easily do, stop the referendum and you set the budget and make the cuts. Nah don't want to do you cos then you can't blame the Greens
- Labour plus Tories support the referendum- see what the people really think. Yeah it will cost but not half as much as the Tories spent on the political clear oout getting rid of Alan McCarthy and all his Directors to replace them with the failed Baradell and strategic directors model
I am not a Green supporter and think they have done some mightily stupid things but this move I do think is politically quite smart
OK opposition and particularly Labour- money where your mouth is time. I think the Greens are a shambles to a large extent but we would be getting these huge reductions in council budgets from Central Government whatever political colour the council was. But if the Greens are the epitome of all that is useless and evil and financially we would be so much better off with another party or parties in charge there are a number of choices: - Labour and Tory go into coalition to take over the council- which they could easily do, stop the referendum and you set the budget and make the cuts. Nah don't want to do you cos then you can't blame the Greens - Labour plus Tories support the referendum- see what the people really think. Yeah it will cost but not half as much as the Tories spent on the political clear oout getting rid of Alan McCarthy and all his Directors to replace them with the failed Baradell and strategic directors model I am not a Green supporter and think they have done some mightily stupid things but this move I do think is politically quite smart Rearrangethedeckchairs
  • Score: 0

3:09pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Rearrangethedeckchairs says...

Fight_Back wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
Warren Morgan wrote: It is the basic duty of a council administration to set a budget. The Greens have absolved themselves of that responsibility, and put forward a 4.75% council tax increase that they know will not be supported by opposition parties at Council or by the public in a referendum. We cannot support such a huge increase when people are finding it hard to meet rising bills. Instead they have handed the responsibility of dealing with the cuts to others. They cannot now remain in office playing these political games rather than running the city effectively. I am calling on the Greens to resign and allow a cross-party caretaker administration to run the council till the elections in 400 days. Then the public can decide who runs the city.
Unusually I agree 100% with Cllr Morgan. So far on this thread I've been accused as being a liar by the Greens so it somewhat tells you what sort of people they are. Warren, when the Labour Candidate knocked at my door at the weekend I suggested that, if Labour and the Conservatives just for once could put their differences aside, they could come together NOW and get rid of the current council. I would then ensure at least one of each of my three votes would go to each party. Time to act, not time to wait 400 days.
Ohhhh.........the naivete! Are you 12?!!!!
Carry on being insulting - I've now been accused of being a liar and a 12 year old - always nice to see the nasty side of Green Party. Adult debate is obviously beyond them.
Warren if you call a vote of no confidence and Labour and Tories support it (and possibly a few Greens might as well being they can be a tad quirky) then wont that have the same effect as them resigning? Then you and the Tories can take over together. The down side of that is that you would have to implement the cuts and not blame the Greens for everything including Central Government cuts
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Warren Morgan[/bold] wrote: It is the basic duty of a council administration to set a budget. The Greens have absolved themselves of that responsibility, and put forward a 4.75% council tax increase that they know will not be supported by opposition parties at Council or by the public in a referendum. We cannot support such a huge increase when people are finding it hard to meet rising bills. Instead they have handed the responsibility of dealing with the cuts to others. They cannot now remain in office playing these political games rather than running the city effectively. I am calling on the Greens to resign and allow a cross-party caretaker administration to run the council till the elections in 400 days. Then the public can decide who runs the city.[/p][/quote]Unusually I agree 100% with Cllr Morgan. So far on this thread I've been accused as being a liar by the Greens so it somewhat tells you what sort of people they are. Warren, when the Labour Candidate knocked at my door at the weekend I suggested that, if Labour and the Conservatives just for once could put their differences aside, they could come together NOW and get rid of the current council. I would then ensure at least one of each of my three votes would go to each party. Time to act, not time to wait 400 days.[/p][/quote]Ohhhh.........the naivete! Are you 12?!!!![/p][/quote]Carry on being insulting - I've now been accused of being a liar and a 12 year old - always nice to see the nasty side of Green Party. Adult debate is obviously beyond them.[/p][/quote]Warren if you call a vote of no confidence and Labour and Tories support it (and possibly a few Greens might as well being they can be a tad quirky) then wont that have the same effect as them resigning? Then you and the Tories can take over together. The down side of that is that you would have to implement the cuts and not blame the Greens for everything including Central Government cuts Rearrangethedeckchairs
  • Score: 2

3:24pm Fri 17 Jan 14

s&k says...

thevoiceoftruth wrote:
Things the green party have spent money on. Clearly they feel these projects are more important than the vulnerable: One planet city Urban biosphere bids Blanket 20mph zones Old Shoreham Road cycle path - cost to taxpayers £400k (plus 300k funding) The Lewes Road disaster - cost to taxpayers £2.4 million (plus £4 million funding) Travellers - went over budget by £200k Mediation - because they can't speak to each other Grazing projects - cost £140,000 The golliwog witch hunt Gambling £14 million on the i360 project Bin dispute Reprint of refuse/recycling leaflet due to errors Seven dials roundabout - cost £800k (£175k over budget) Troubled families programme - cost £1.25 million - helped 8 families Any more?
Although in agreement that there's much to deride here I think you can find similar schemes from all councils that are a) a waste of money b) ideologially driven or c) just plain crazy.
[quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: Things the green party have spent money on. Clearly they feel these projects are more important than the vulnerable: One planet city Urban biosphere bids Blanket 20mph zones Old Shoreham Road cycle path - cost to taxpayers £400k (plus 300k funding) The Lewes Road disaster - cost to taxpayers £2.4 million (plus £4 million funding) Travellers - went over budget by £200k Mediation - because they can't speak to each other Grazing projects - cost £140,000 The golliwog witch hunt Gambling £14 million on the i360 project Bin dispute Reprint of refuse/recycling leaflet due to errors Seven dials roundabout - cost £800k (£175k over budget) Troubled families programme - cost £1.25 million - helped 8 families Any more?[/p][/quote]Although in agreement that there's much to deride here I think you can find similar schemes from all councils that are a) a waste of money b) ideologially driven or c) just plain crazy. s&k
  • Score: 1

3:44pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Brighton1000 says...

Gribbet wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Many Labour members and voters must be truly embarrassed tonight as the Labour leader Warren Morgan and councillors have let down once more the must vulnerable in the city for political opportunism. Now you are with the Tories, eager to cut and privatise. If you have any moral fibre left you should be ripping up your membership cards! But then you would have done that when Warren Morgan would not back the Greens in protecting those in arrears due to the bedroom tax.

This should have been the whole council seeking a council tax rise, all fighting to protect the services of this amazing city, sadly only the Greens stand by their principles.

It was Warren Morgan and the Labour group that contributed to the cuts the city faces, by joining with their friends the Tories in voting down a 2% council tax rise, we could have avoided many cuts already made and the need to raise the council tax tax above 2%.

Vote Labour get Tory. Has a good ring for May 2015.
A far better ring than 'greens, here to **** up your city for another few years'. Vote of no confidence is on its way. Bye bye Kitwat
Despite the wailings of the moanerati, B&H has been successful in finding efficiencies, getting external funding for transport projects in particular and avoiding the worst of the cuts despite some of the deepest government cuts. It is difficult to name a council that has cut less than Brighton and Hove. The budgets have been balanced, we have outperformed the economy and business and developers have and are investing hundreds of millions in the city.

Hardly ******* it up.

The vote of no confidence is little more than a power game by Labour. The Labour councillors clearly are more intent on power than supporting the most vulnerable in city. Like I say, vote Labour get Tory.
Whatever, We will see, Im past rising to your spin. The 'Monerati' you talk of are voters, Enough said. PS where exactly do you live again?
Brighton
For a Brighton resident you seem way out of touch with their views. You constantly blame the Argus website, However it is pretty much the only place you get a real feel for what Brightonians think. Please explain, How exactly do you see the greens as staying in any kind of power in the future? And dont spin it its so boring
"(the argus) is pretty much the only place you get a real feel for what Brightonians think"

Not if this recent petition is anything to go by. From a city of 275000 residents, only 682 people signed this petition for a vote of no confidence against the greens, which is half the number of signatures needed. The petition has not only been running for 3 months, but it has also been publicised here in the Argus and yet only 682 signatures? What a failure, hardly difficult to sign an e-petition is it?

I guess you'll reply the usual way when one of your vocal minority is backed into a corner by saying this is 'spin' but can't see how evidence could be much clearer of what Brightonians actually think

htt p://present.brighton







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Yes, More spin. How well advertised was the petition? I didnt say the Argus has every brighton & hove resident visiting the site did i? If all residents were made aware of the petition, you know as well as i do it would recieve well over what was required to have some clout.

If the greens are so confident they are seen as a successful and wanted party in Brighton then stick a vote of no confidence vote in with the referendum (cant see any additional cost for this as we are having 1 anyway), Then let the residents decide.

You are either deluded, Or as short sighted as your party if you truly believe the residents of Brighton and Hove will ever re elect you ever again.
Well there was a full article about it a couple of months ago for all readers to see, but doesn't look like there were many takers.

It was also spammed all over the comments sections the same way that you've been spamming the comments sections with that web-link to that amateur news website in the last day or two.

It was also on Facebook, still is, so could have easily gone viral if people cared enough about the cause to click 'share', but for reasons you're struggling with, people didn't like and/or share it.

I'm just presenting some REAL DATA here as a counter argument to your exaggerated and over extrapolated 'facts' (opinions) and predictions. The evidence from this petition heavily suggests that it's actually you yourself that might be a little deluded and out of touch with what the majority of the town think.
So your telling me the greens are doing a good job and going to be re-elected are you? You think the majority are in favour of the greens in B&H?
In light of the evidence, do you still think you're a good spokesperson for the people of Brighton & Hove?

...Or do you now understand not to confuse fact with opinion so readily?
When did I nominate myself as a spokeperson for B&H? I am airing my views and opinions.

Dont try and belittle me pal.

And what 'evidence' are you talking of? I think you obviously realise the greens are doing a **** poor job, people are asking for a vote of no confidence, every media I look at, the greens are getting a slating. Please supply me some 'evidence' of their popularity in B&H.

There is one fact, And thats they are on their merry way out
Well, you seem to be back-pedalling a bit now.

Again, you've used an opinion there about something you think might happen in the future, but you're saying it's a fact even though it hasn't happened yet.

Here are some recent examples where it looks like you've nominated yourself as a spokesperson for the people of Brighton & Hove:

"For a Brighton resident you seem way out of touch with their views."

"You are either deluded, Or as short sighted as your party if you truly believe the residents of Brighton and Hove will ever re elect you ever again."

"If all residents were made aware of the petition, you know as well as i do it would recieve (sic) well over what was required to have some clout."
Haha you utter pric! I've never seen anything like it!
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Many Labour members and voters must be truly embarrassed tonight as the Labour leader Warren Morgan and councillors have let down once more the must vulnerable in the city for political opportunism. Now you are with the Tories, eager to cut and privatise. If you have any moral fibre left you should be ripping up your membership cards! But then you would have done that when Warren Morgan would not back the Greens in protecting those in arrears due to the bedroom tax. This should have been the whole council seeking a council tax rise, all fighting to protect the services of this amazing city, sadly only the Greens stand by their principles. It was Warren Morgan and the Labour group that contributed to the cuts the city faces, by joining with their friends the Tories in voting down a 2% council tax rise, we could have avoided many cuts already made and the need to raise the council tax tax above 2%. Vote Labour get Tory. Has a good ring for May 2015.[/p][/quote]A far better ring than 'greens, here to **** up your city for another few years'. Vote of no confidence is on its way. Bye bye Kitwat[/p][/quote]Despite the wailings of the moanerati, B&H has been successful in finding efficiencies, getting external funding for transport projects in particular and avoiding the worst of the cuts despite some of the deepest government cuts. It is difficult to name a council that has cut less than Brighton and Hove. The budgets have been balanced, we have outperformed the economy and business and developers have and are investing hundreds of millions in the city. Hardly ******* it up. The vote of no confidence is little more than a power game by Labour. The Labour councillors clearly are more intent on power than supporting the most vulnerable in city. Like I say, vote Labour get Tory.[/p][/quote]Whatever, We will see, Im past rising to your spin. The 'Monerati' you talk of are voters, Enough said. PS where exactly do you live again?[/p][/quote]Brighton[/p][/quote]For a Brighton resident you seem way out of touch with their views. You constantly blame the Argus website, However it is pretty much the only place you get a real feel for what Brightonians think. Please explain, How exactly do you see the greens as staying in any kind of power in the future? And dont spin it its so boring[/p][/quote]"(the argus) is pretty much the only place you get a real feel for what Brightonians think" Not if this recent petition is anything to go by. From a city of 275000 residents, only 682 people signed this petition for a vote of no confidence against the greens, which is half the number of signatures needed. The petition has not only been running for 3 months, but it has also been publicised here in the Argus and yet only 682 signatures? What a failure, hardly difficult to sign an e-petition is it? I guess you'll reply the usual way when one of your vocal minority is backed into a corner by saying this is 'spin' but can't see how evidence could be much clearer of what Brightonians actually think htt p://present.brighton -hov e.gov.uk/mgEPetition Disp lay.aspx?Id=391.[/p][/quote]Yes, More spin. How well advertised was the petition? I didnt say the Argus has every brighton & hove resident visiting the site did i? If all residents were made aware of the petition, you know as well as i do it would recieve well over what was required to have some clout. If the greens are so confident they are seen as a successful and wanted party in Brighton then stick a vote of no confidence vote in with the referendum (cant see any additional cost for this as we are having 1 anyway), Then let the residents decide. You are either deluded, Or as short sighted as your party if you truly believe the residents of Brighton and Hove will ever re elect you ever again.[/p][/quote]Well there was a full article about it a couple of months ago for all readers to see, but doesn't look like there were many takers. It was also spammed all over the comments sections the same way that you've been spamming the comments sections with that web-link to that amateur news website in the last day or two. It was also on Facebook, still is, so could have easily gone viral if people cared enough about the cause to click 'share', but for reasons you're struggling with, people didn't like and/or share it. I'm just presenting some REAL DATA here as a counter argument to your exaggerated and over extrapolated 'facts' (opinions) and predictions. The evidence from this petition heavily suggests that it's actually you yourself that might be a little deluded and out of touch with what the majority of the town think.[/p][/quote]So your telling me the greens are doing a good job and going to be re-elected are you? You think the majority are in favour of the greens in B&H?[/p][/quote]In light of the evidence, do you still think you're a good spokesperson for the people of Brighton & Hove? ...Or do you now understand not to confuse fact with opinion so readily?[/p][/quote]When did I nominate myself as a spokeperson for B&H? I am airing my views and opinions. Dont try and belittle me pal. And what 'evidence' are you talking of? I think you obviously realise the greens are doing a **** poor job, people are asking for a vote of no confidence, every media I look at, the greens are getting a slating. Please supply me some 'evidence' of their popularity in B&H. There is one fact, And thats they are on their merry way out[/p][/quote]Well, you seem to be back-pedalling a bit now. Again, you've used an opinion there about something you think might happen in the future, but you're saying it's a fact even though it hasn't happened yet. Here are some recent examples where it looks like you've nominated yourself as a spokesperson for the people of Brighton & Hove: "For a Brighton resident you seem way out of touch with their views." "You are either deluded, Or as short sighted as your party if you truly believe the residents of Brighton and Hove will ever re elect you ever again." "If all residents were made aware of the petition, you know as well as i do it would recieve (sic) well over what was required to have some clout."[/p][/quote]Haha you utter pric! I've never seen anything like it! Brighton1000
  • Score: 0

3:45pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Chris_K says...

Bubs wrote:
"The rise, which has been supported unanimously by the Green group of 21 councillors, would mean council tax for an average Band D property would increase by £5.97."

The council tax for a band D is £1507.28, so how can a 4.75% increase be £5.97? My calculator says it will be £71.59 extra to pay.

I'm confused...
It works out at £5.97 per month
[quote][p][bold]Bubs[/bold] wrote: "The rise, which has been supported unanimously by the Green group of 21 councillors, would mean council tax for an average Band D property would increase by £5.97." The council tax for a band D is £1507.28, so how can a 4.75% increase be £5.97? My calculator says it will be £71.59 extra to pay. I'm confused...[/p][/quote]It works out at £5.97 per month Chris_K
  • Score: 1

3:46pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Chris_K says...

Bubs wrote:
"The rise, which has been supported unanimously by the Green group of 21 councillors, would mean council tax for an average Band D property would increase by £5.97."

The council tax for a band D is £1507.28, so how can a 4.75% increase be £5.97? My calculator says it will be £71.59 extra to pay.

I'm confused...
It's £5.97 per month, over 12 months.
[quote][p][bold]Bubs[/bold] wrote: "The rise, which has been supported unanimously by the Green group of 21 councillors, would mean council tax for an average Band D property would increase by £5.97." The council tax for a band D is £1507.28, so how can a 4.75% increase be £5.97? My calculator says it will be £71.59 extra to pay. I'm confused...[/p][/quote]It's £5.97 per month, over 12 months. Chris_K
  • Score: 2

3:47pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Brighton1000 says...

Gribbet wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
Everyone please take part

http://www.smartsurv


ey.co.uk/s/CouncilTa


x2014
This is much better from you, at least now you're trying to find out what Brighton people think rather than falsely claiming that everyone in town shares your opinions.
Thanks, so glad you approve....
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: Everyone please take part http://www.smartsurv ey.co.uk/s/CouncilTa x2014[/p][/quote]This is much better from you, at least now you're trying to find out what Brighton people think rather than falsely claiming that everyone in town shares your opinions.[/p][/quote]Thanks, so glad you approve.... Brighton1000
  • Score: 5

4:33pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Martin999 says...

What worries me is that this Green council are so cunning and manipulative they might well get this referendum approved. They will send a form to all Brighton residents, the first question of which will be "Do you support the elderly, disabled, vulnerable?" Second question, "would you be willing to give just a few pence a day to help these people?". And so on. Anyone old enough to have watched and enjoyed the TV programme "Yes, Prime Minister" will have seen Sir Humphrey explain how Goverments get the answer they seek by carefully wording the question(s). Yes, I know it was just a comedy programme, but it had a great deal of truth in it.
What worries me is that this Green council are so cunning and manipulative they might well get this referendum approved. They will send a form to all Brighton residents, the first question of which will be "Do you support the elderly, disabled, vulnerable?" Second question, "would you be willing to give just a few pence a day to help these people?". And so on. Anyone old enough to have watched and enjoyed the TV programme "Yes, Prime Minister" will have seen Sir Humphrey explain how Goverments get the answer they seek by carefully wording the question(s). Yes, I know it was just a comedy programme, but it had a great deal of truth in it. Martin999
  • Score: 9

4:52pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Roundbill says...

I noticed yesterday when I was in Hove that there was a little whiff in the air in George Street: I thought someone's drain was flooded. However, when I took a stroll along the seafront this afternoon, I realised it emanates from the piles of rotten seaweed the diggers have left along the high tide mark. There are already dead rats there, so god only knows how much other vermin it's going to attract as it decomposes further.
Let's just hope the weather doesn't get any warmer, or we'll have Hove stinking to high Heaven!
I noticed yesterday when I was in Hove that there was a little whiff in the air in George Street: I thought someone's drain was flooded. However, when I took a stroll along the seafront this afternoon, I realised it emanates from the piles of rotten seaweed the diggers have left along the high tide mark. There are already dead rats there, so god only knows how much other vermin it's going to attract as it decomposes further. Let's just hope the weather doesn't get any warmer, or we'll have Hove stinking to high Heaven! Roundbill
  • Score: 7

6:43pm Fri 17 Jan 14

L bailey says...

The BHCC waste money, they spend it on schemes that are idealistic but have no relevance to the improvement of the city. A further waste of a money on a referendum. The extra cost to make our water safe from further pollution due to the enlargement of a gypsy and traveller site is going to cost hundreds of thousands to make the site safe and further thousands a year to maintain it. With University of Sussex doubling in size in the near future and with the apathetic attitude of the Council tax paying residents of Brighton and Hove the labour and Green parties are assured of being elected for years to come which will enable them to bring this city to its knees.
The BHCC waste money, they spend it on schemes that are idealistic but have no relevance to the improvement of the city. A further waste of a money on a referendum. The extra cost to make our water safe from further pollution due to the enlargement of a gypsy and traveller site is going to cost hundreds of thousands to make the site safe and further thousands a year to maintain it. With University of Sussex doubling in size in the near future and with the apathetic attitude of the Council tax paying residents of Brighton and Hove the labour and Green parties are assured of being elected for years to come which will enable them to bring this city to its knees. L bailey
  • Score: 7

6:57pm Fri 17 Jan 14

L bailey says...

Martin999 wrote:
What worries me is that this Green council are so cunning and manipulative they might well get this referendum approved. They will send a form to all Brighton residents, the first question of which will be "Do you support the elderly, disabled, vulnerable?" Second question, "would you be willing to give just a few pence a day to help these people?". And so on. Anyone old enough to have watched and enjoyed the TV programme "Yes, Prime Minister" will have seen Sir Humphrey explain how Goverments get the answer they seek by carefully wording the question(s). Yes, I know it was just a comedy programme, but it had a great deal of truth in it.
Exactly right. they did this with the questionnaire for the public on the traveller site they also gave the travellers a questionnaire that ensured they got all the answers they wanted, dishonest and manipulative. Still they will get away with it due to the apathy of the voters.
[quote][p][bold]Martin999[/bold] wrote: What worries me is that this Green council are so cunning and manipulative they might well get this referendum approved. They will send a form to all Brighton residents, the first question of which will be "Do you support the elderly, disabled, vulnerable?" Second question, "would you be willing to give just a few pence a day to help these people?". And so on. Anyone old enough to have watched and enjoyed the TV programme "Yes, Prime Minister" will have seen Sir Humphrey explain how Goverments get the answer they seek by carefully wording the question(s). Yes, I know it was just a comedy programme, but it had a great deal of truth in it.[/p][/quote]Exactly right. they did this with the questionnaire for the public on the traveller site they also gave the travellers a questionnaire that ensured they got all the answers they wanted, dishonest and manipulative. Still they will get away with it due to the apathy of the voters. L bailey
  • Score: 9

6:59pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

Martin you are right. This technique is used by many organisations who want to hand responsibility to the public to make a decision so that decision can be referred to whenever anything goes wrong in future.
The reason this referendum has been suggested in this period is that the greens face election next year and know their ratings are poor.
Therefore, by asking the electorate to make a decision, if it all goes wrong next year prior to election, they can use the phrase, 'the public voted for this increase'.
It is a manipulative way to use the public to make a decision prior to an election and using £230,000 of our money for direct political purposes. I am surprised it is allowed.
The best way forward would be for the Greens to stand down and call an election whereby each party suggests a budget and we can go from there, but the greens don't like the democratic process! hence their own members being expelled from their party! public consultations ignored and even their own officers reports ignored.
They have an agenda and the electorate don't matter.
It's over for them really as the public are not stupid yet they treat us like we are.
Martin you are right. This technique is used by many organisations who want to hand responsibility to the public to make a decision so that decision can be referred to whenever anything goes wrong in future. The reason this referendum has been suggested in this period is that the greens face election next year and know their ratings are poor. Therefore, by asking the electorate to make a decision, if it all goes wrong next year prior to election, they can use the phrase, 'the public voted for this increase'. It is a manipulative way to use the public to make a decision prior to an election and using £230,000 of our money for direct political purposes. I am surprised it is allowed. The best way forward would be for the Greens to stand down and call an election whereby each party suggests a budget and we can go from there, but the greens don't like the democratic process! hence their own members being expelled from their party! public consultations ignored and even their own officers reports ignored. They have an agenda and the electorate don't matter. It's over for them really as the public are not stupid yet they treat us like we are. Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: 23

8:00pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Idontbelieveit1948 says...

Tring wrote:
s&k wrote:
I am not happy about 100k of council funds being diverted from services into a referendum. If you need to raise council tax then just do it. Central government doesn't consult us on the rates of Income Tax set.
Centrally imposed rules from Whitehall mean that this referendum to happen.

Another example of the steady leeching of power towards London.
How does enforcing a local referendum leach power towards London ?

This is central government enforcing localism because, as we all know, if they weren't forced into taking account of what local people think on this subject the dozy Greens would simply raise the cost as they have done with many other things they don't have to consult us on.
[quote][p][bold]Tring[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]s&k[/bold] wrote: I am not happy about 100k of council funds being diverted from services into a referendum. If you need to raise council tax then just do it. Central government doesn't consult us on the rates of Income Tax set.[/p][/quote]Centrally imposed rules from Whitehall mean that this referendum to happen. Another example of the steady leeching of power towards London.[/p][/quote]How does enforcing a local referendum leach power towards London ? This is central government enforcing localism because, as we all know, if they weren't forced into taking account of what local people think on this subject the dozy Greens would simply raise the cost as they have done with many other things they don't have to consult us on. Idontbelieveit1948
  • Score: 3

8:13pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Idontbelieveit1948 says...

Tring wrote:
DC Brighton wrote:
"The coalition’s cuts mean we cannot deliver the services we were elected to provide..."

Utter rubbish, no other council is fleecing their residents for more. There are two problems here:

1, Essential services are suffering simply because money is being wasted elsewhere. It's called a budget for a reason; make priorities. If that means forgoing a blanket 20mph speed limit or a new roundabout in favour supporting vulnerable citizens then so be. Don't do one and expect everyone to provide more money for the other. I don't think there is a single person in our local council with a shred of interest in simple accounting, let alone the prevailing economic conditions facing its voters.

2, This smacks of a party so desperate to be taken seriously that they are hell bent on doing anything to increase the amount of media coverage they receive. Let's do some things that are perceived as green (20mph, cycle lanes, bus lanes) to increase our media coverage, then when we run out of money we can secure even more column inches by holding a referendum during which we can appear to be supporting the vulnerable people in B&H. It's a win-win. For the Green party only.

I only people see this for the pathetic, cynical, headline-grabbing nonsense that it is. Indeed, I hope this backfires in the spectacular fashion that it deserves to. Then perhaps we can finally get someone in who knows how to run a budget and a council.
Tory-run Kent County council are putting council tax up by 1.99% so it's not true to say that B+H is the only council to suggest a rise. This year is the one where the central govt cuts are really biting deepest, so many other councils will do so, and it is likely that some others will be over 2% and will trigger a referendum.

Regarding some other posts, NB that the money for the travellers' site was signed off by the last, Tory, administration. The same administration that appointed 4 strategic directors at £150k per annum each - and 3 of whom have gone under the Greens.

Regarding the issues around council tax non-collection and staff absenteeism, is there any evidence that these problems have worsened under the Green administration? Genuine question - I just wonder if there's not a tendancy to blame Kitcat and co for problems that go much deeper, and much further back.
You are really not very bright are you Tring.

Read the article the point being made is not that only B&H want to put up council tax but that only B&H want to raise it by such a large amount that a local referendum is triggered. We have to wait and see if anyone else wishes to be this daft, but your suggestion that it is likely others will is no more than your opinion and not based on fact of any kind.

As usual Green apologists tell half the story and can't get that right.
[quote][p][bold]Tring[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DC Brighton[/bold] wrote: "The coalition’s cuts mean we cannot deliver the services we were elected to provide..." Utter rubbish, no other council is fleecing their residents for more. There are two problems here: 1, Essential services are suffering simply because money is being wasted elsewhere. It's called a budget for a reason; make priorities. If that means forgoing a blanket 20mph speed limit or a new roundabout in favour supporting vulnerable citizens then so be. Don't do one and expect everyone to provide more money for the other. I don't think there is a single person in our local council with a shred of interest in simple accounting, let alone the prevailing economic conditions facing its voters. 2, This smacks of a party so desperate to be taken seriously that they are hell bent on doing anything to increase the amount of media coverage they receive. Let's do some things that are perceived as green (20mph, cycle lanes, bus lanes) to increase our media coverage, then when we run out of money we can secure even more column inches by holding a referendum during which we can appear to be supporting the vulnerable people in B&H. It's a win-win. For the Green party only. I only people see this for the pathetic, cynical, headline-grabbing nonsense that it is. Indeed, I hope this backfires in the spectacular fashion that it deserves to. Then perhaps we can finally get someone in who knows how to run a budget and a council.[/p][/quote]Tory-run Kent County council are putting council tax up by 1.99% so it's not true to say that B+H is the only council to suggest a rise. This year is the one where the central govt cuts are really biting deepest, so many other councils will do so, and it is likely that some others will be over 2% and will trigger a referendum. Regarding some other posts, NB that the money for the travellers' site was signed off by the last, Tory, administration. The same administration that appointed 4 strategic directors at £150k per annum each - and 3 of whom have gone under the Greens. Regarding the issues around council tax non-collection and staff absenteeism, is there any evidence that these problems have worsened under the Green administration? Genuine question - I just wonder if there's not a tendancy to blame Kitcat and co for problems that go much deeper, and much further back.[/p][/quote]You are really not very bright are you Tring. Read the article the point being made is not that only B&H want to put up council tax but that only B&H want to raise it by such a large amount that a local referendum is triggered. We have to wait and see if anyone else wishes to be this daft, but your suggestion that it is likely others will is no more than your opinion and not based on fact of any kind. As usual Green apologists tell half the story and can't get that right. Idontbelieveit1948
  • Score: 7

8:14pm Fri 17 Jan 14

L bailey says...

Idontbelieveit1948 wrote:
Tring wrote:
s&k wrote:
I am not happy about 100k of council funds being diverted from services into a referendum. If you need to raise council tax then just do it. Central government doesn't consult us on the rates of Income Tax set.
Centrally imposed rules from Whitehall mean that this referendum to happen.

Another example of the steady leeching of power towards London.
How does enforcing a local referendum leach power towards London ?

This is central government enforcing localism because, as we all know, if they weren't forced into taking account of what local people think on this subject the dozy Greens would simply raise the cost as they have done with many other things they don't have to consult us on.
The fact is it is not £100k its £230K
[quote][p][bold]Idontbelieveit1948[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tring[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]s&k[/bold] wrote: I am not happy about 100k of council funds being diverted from services into a referendum. If you need to raise council tax then just do it. Central government doesn't consult us on the rates of Income Tax set.[/p][/quote]Centrally imposed rules from Whitehall mean that this referendum to happen. Another example of the steady leeching of power towards London.[/p][/quote]How does enforcing a local referendum leach power towards London ? This is central government enforcing localism because, as we all know, if they weren't forced into taking account of what local people think on this subject the dozy Greens would simply raise the cost as they have done with many other things they don't have to consult us on.[/p][/quote]The fact is it is not £100k its £230K L bailey
  • Score: 2

8:27pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Idontbelieveit1948 says...

HJarrs wrote:
Many Labour members and voters must be truly embarrassed tonight as the Labour leader Warren Morgan and councillors have let down once more the must vulnerable in the city for political opportunism. Now you are with the Tories, eager to cut and privatise. If you have any moral fibre left you should be ripping up your membership cards! But then you would have done that when Warren Morgan would not back the Greens in protecting those in arrears due to the bedroom tax.

This should have been the whole council seeking a council tax rise, all fighting to protect the services of this amazing city, sadly only the Greens stand by their principles.

It was Warren Morgan and the Labour group that contributed to the cuts the city faces, by joining with their friends the Tories in voting down a 2% council tax rise, we could have avoided many cuts already made and the need to raise the council tax tax above 2%.

Vote Labour get Tory. Has a good ring for May 2015.
Vote Labour get Tory.

Sounds good to me
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Many Labour members and voters must be truly embarrassed tonight as the Labour leader Warren Morgan and councillors have let down once more the must vulnerable in the city for political opportunism. Now you are with the Tories, eager to cut and privatise. If you have any moral fibre left you should be ripping up your membership cards! But then you would have done that when Warren Morgan would not back the Greens in protecting those in arrears due to the bedroom tax. This should have been the whole council seeking a council tax rise, all fighting to protect the services of this amazing city, sadly only the Greens stand by their principles. It was Warren Morgan and the Labour group that contributed to the cuts the city faces, by joining with their friends the Tories in voting down a 2% council tax rise, we could have avoided many cuts already made and the need to raise the council tax tax above 2%. Vote Labour get Tory. Has a good ring for May 2015.[/p][/quote]Vote Labour get Tory. Sounds good to me Idontbelieveit1948
  • Score: 9

9:45pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Nikski says...

Yes sadly the shameless Morgan and his cronies have let themselves and the people of Brighton and Hove down by getting in to bed with the shameful Tories. If you believe in democracy why so scared of letting the people decide? What I'm seeing and hearing is that a lot of people would pay a little more Council Tax if it meant protecting the vulnerable by preserving social care services; how else when the Condem government are savagely attacking the public sector by slashing local authority budgets? I'm not a Green but a life-long Labour voter and I am disgusted that Morgan is not supporting a referendum - seriously considering switching my allegiance to the Greens as a party with principles!
Yes sadly the shameless Morgan and his cronies have let themselves and the people of Brighton and Hove down by getting in to bed with the shameful Tories. If you believe in democracy why so scared of letting the people decide? What I'm seeing and hearing is that a lot of people would pay a little more Council Tax if it meant protecting the vulnerable by preserving social care services; how else when the Condem government are savagely attacking the public sector by slashing local authority budgets? I'm not a Green but a life-long Labour voter and I am disgusted that Morgan is not supporting a referendum - seriously considering switching my allegiance to the Greens as a party with principles! Nikski
  • Score: -19

11:24pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Martha Gunn says...

Am I missing something or is it the case that there has still not been a single word from La Lucas on the issue of the 4.75% referendum?

The fortunes of the Brussels MP and the Kitcat regime must be kept firmly intertwined in the minds of the voters.

Roll on 2015. The chance to be rid of both Lucas and Kitcat.
Am I missing something or is it the case that there has still not been a single word from La Lucas on the issue of the 4.75% referendum? The fortunes of the Brussels MP and the Kitcat regime must be kept firmly intertwined in the minds of the voters. Roll on 2015. The chance to be rid of both Lucas and Kitcat. Martha Gunn
  • Score: 9

1:42am Sat 18 Jan 14

Gribbet says...

Brighton1000 wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Many Labour members and voters must be truly embarrassed tonight as the Labour leader Warren Morgan and councillors have let down once more the must vulnerable in the city for political opportunism. Now you are with the Tories, eager to cut and privatise. If you have any moral fibre left you should be ripping up your membership cards! But then you would have done that when Warren Morgan would not back the Greens in protecting those in arrears due to the bedroom tax.

This should have been the whole council seeking a council tax rise, all fighting to protect the services of this amazing city, sadly only the Greens stand by their principles.

It was Warren Morgan and the Labour group that contributed to the cuts the city faces, by joining with their friends the Tories in voting down a 2% council tax rise, we could have avoided many cuts already made and the need to raise the council tax tax above 2%.

Vote Labour get Tory. Has a good ring for May 2015.
A far better ring than 'greens, here to **** up your city for another few years'. Vote of no confidence is on its way. Bye bye Kitwat
Despite the wailings of the moanerati, B&H has been successful in finding efficiencies, getting external funding for transport projects in particular and avoiding the worst of the cuts despite some of the deepest government cuts. It is difficult to name a council that has cut less than Brighton and Hove. The budgets have been balanced, we have outperformed the economy and business and developers have and are investing hundreds of millions in the city.

Hardly ******* it up.

The vote of no confidence is little more than a power game by Labour. The Labour councillors clearly are more intent on power than supporting the most vulnerable in city. Like I say, vote Labour get Tory.
Whatever, We will see, Im past rising to your spin. The 'Monerati' you talk of are voters, Enough said. PS where exactly do you live again?
Brighton
For a Brighton resident you seem way out of touch with their views. You constantly blame the Argus website, However it is pretty much the only place you get a real feel for what Brightonians think. Please explain, How exactly do you see the greens as staying in any kind of power in the future? And dont spin it its so boring
"(the argus) is pretty much the only place you get a real feel for what Brightonians think"

Not if this recent petition is anything to go by. From a city of 275000 residents, only 682 people signed this petition for a vote of no confidence against the greens, which is half the number of signatures needed. The petition has not only been running for 3 months, but it has also been publicised here in the Argus and yet only 682 signatures? What a failure, hardly difficult to sign an e-petition is it?

I guess you'll reply the usual way when one of your vocal minority is backed into a corner by saying this is 'spin' but can't see how evidence could be much clearer of what Brightonians actually think

htt p://present.brighton








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e.gov.uk/mgEPetition








Disp
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Yes, More spin. How well advertised was the petition? I didnt say the Argus has every brighton & hove resident visiting the site did i? If all residents were made aware of the petition, you know as well as i do it would recieve well over what was required to have some clout.

If the greens are so confident they are seen as a successful and wanted party in Brighton then stick a vote of no confidence vote in with the referendum (cant see any additional cost for this as we are having 1 anyway), Then let the residents decide.

You are either deluded, Or as short sighted as your party if you truly believe the residents of Brighton and Hove will ever re elect you ever again.
Well there was a full article about it a couple of months ago for all readers to see, but doesn't look like there were many takers.

It was also spammed all over the comments sections the same way that you've been spamming the comments sections with that web-link to that amateur news website in the last day or two.

It was also on Facebook, still is, so could have easily gone viral if people cared enough about the cause to click 'share', but for reasons you're struggling with, people didn't like and/or share it.

I'm just presenting some REAL DATA here as a counter argument to your exaggerated and over extrapolated 'facts' (opinions) and predictions. The evidence from this petition heavily suggests that it's actually you yourself that might be a little deluded and out of touch with what the majority of the town think.
So your telling me the greens are doing a good job and going to be re-elected are you? You think the majority are in favour of the greens in B&H?
In light of the evidence, do you still think you're a good spokesperson for the people of Brighton & Hove?

...Or do you now understand not to confuse fact with opinion so readily?
When did I nominate myself as a spokeperson for B&H? I am airing my views and opinions.

Dont try and belittle me pal.

And what 'evidence' are you talking of? I think you obviously realise the greens are doing a **** poor job, people are asking for a vote of no confidence, every media I look at, the greens are getting a slating. Please supply me some 'evidence' of their popularity in B&H.

There is one fact, And thats they are on their merry way out
Well, you seem to be back-pedalling a bit now.

Again, you've used an opinion there about something you think might happen in the future, but you're saying it's a fact even though it hasn't happened yet.

Here are some recent examples where it looks like you've nominated yourself as a spokesperson for the people of Brighton & Hove:

"For a Brighton resident you seem way out of touch with their views."

"You are either deluded, Or as short sighted as your party if you truly believe the residents of Brighton and Hove will ever re elect you ever again."

"If all residents were made aware of the petition, you know as well as i do it would recieve (sic) well over what was required to have some clout."
Haha you utter pric! I've never seen anything like it!
Yeah nor have I, a person who keeps demonstrating that he doesn't understand the difference between fact and opinion.

Happy spamming!
[quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Many Labour members and voters must be truly embarrassed tonight as the Labour leader Warren Morgan and councillors have let down once more the must vulnerable in the city for political opportunism. Now you are with the Tories, eager to cut and privatise. If you have any moral fibre left you should be ripping up your membership cards! But then you would have done that when Warren Morgan would not back the Greens in protecting those in arrears due to the bedroom tax. This should have been the whole council seeking a council tax rise, all fighting to protect the services of this amazing city, sadly only the Greens stand by their principles. It was Warren Morgan and the Labour group that contributed to the cuts the city faces, by joining with their friends the Tories in voting down a 2% council tax rise, we could have avoided many cuts already made and the need to raise the council tax tax above 2%. Vote Labour get Tory. Has a good ring for May 2015.[/p][/quote]A far better ring than 'greens, here to **** up your city for another few years'. Vote of no confidence is on its way. Bye bye Kitwat[/p][/quote]Despite the wailings of the moanerati, B&H has been successful in finding efficiencies, getting external funding for transport projects in particular and avoiding the worst of the cuts despite some of the deepest government cuts. It is difficult to name a council that has cut less than Brighton and Hove. The budgets have been balanced, we have outperformed the economy and business and developers have and are investing hundreds of millions in the city. Hardly ******* it up. The vote of no confidence is little more than a power game by Labour. The Labour councillors clearly are more intent on power than supporting the most vulnerable in city. Like I say, vote Labour get Tory.[/p][/quote]Whatever, We will see, Im past rising to your spin. The 'Monerati' you talk of are voters, Enough said. PS where exactly do you live again?[/p][/quote]Brighton[/p][/quote]For a Brighton resident you seem way out of touch with their views. You constantly blame the Argus website, However it is pretty much the only place you get a real feel for what Brightonians think. Please explain, How exactly do you see the greens as staying in any kind of power in the future? And dont spin it its so boring[/p][/quote]"(the argus) is pretty much the only place you get a real feel for what Brightonians think" Not if this recent petition is anything to go by. From a city of 275000 residents, only 682 people signed this petition for a vote of no confidence against the greens, which is half the number of signatures needed. The petition has not only been running for 3 months, but it has also been publicised here in the Argus and yet only 682 signatures? What a failure, hardly difficult to sign an e-petition is it? I guess you'll reply the usual way when one of your vocal minority is backed into a corner by saying this is 'spin' but can't see how evidence could be much clearer of what Brightonians actually think htt p://present.brighton -hov e.gov.uk/mgEPetition Disp lay.aspx?Id=391.[/p][/quote]Yes, More spin. How well advertised was the petition? I didnt say the Argus has every brighton & hove resident visiting the site did i? If all residents were made aware of the petition, you know as well as i do it would recieve well over what was required to have some clout. If the greens are so confident they are seen as a successful and wanted party in Brighton then stick a vote of no confidence vote in with the referendum (cant see any additional cost for this as we are having 1 anyway), Then let the residents decide. You are either deluded, Or as short sighted as your party if you truly believe the residents of Brighton and Hove will ever re elect you ever again.[/p][/quote]Well there was a full article about it a couple of months ago for all readers to see, but doesn't look like there were many takers. It was also spammed all over the comments sections the same way that you've been spamming the comments sections with that web-link to that amateur news website in the last day or two. It was also on Facebook, still is, so could have easily gone viral if people cared enough about the cause to click 'share', but for reasons you're struggling with, people didn't like and/or share it. I'm just presenting some REAL DATA here as a counter argument to your exaggerated and over extrapolated 'facts' (opinions) and predictions. The evidence from this petition heavily suggests that it's actually you yourself that might be a little deluded and out of touch with what the majority of the town think.[/p][/quote]So your telling me the greens are doing a good job and going to be re-elected are you? You think the majority are in favour of the greens in B&H?[/p][/quote]In light of the evidence, do you still think you're a good spokesperson for the people of Brighton & Hove? ...Or do you now understand not to confuse fact with opinion so readily?[/p][/quote]When did I nominate myself as a spokeperson for B&H? I am airing my views and opinions. Dont try and belittle me pal. And what 'evidence' are you talking of? I think you obviously realise the greens are doing a **** poor job, people are asking for a vote of no confidence, every media I look at, the greens are getting a slating. Please supply me some 'evidence' of their popularity in B&H. There is one fact, And thats they are on their merry way out[/p][/quote]Well, you seem to be back-pedalling a bit now. Again, you've used an opinion there about something you think might happen in the future, but you're saying it's a fact even though it hasn't happened yet. Here are some recent examples where it looks like you've nominated yourself as a spokesperson for the people of Brighton & Hove: "For a Brighton resident you seem way out of touch with their views." "You are either deluded, Or as short sighted as your party if you truly believe the residents of Brighton and Hove will ever re elect you ever again." "If all residents were made aware of the petition, you know as well as i do it would recieve (sic) well over what was required to have some clout."[/p][/quote]Haha you utter pric! I've never seen anything like it![/p][/quote]Yeah nor have I, a person who keeps demonstrating that he doesn't understand the difference between fact and opinion. Happy spamming! Gribbet
  • Score: -3

7:56am Sat 18 Jan 14

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! says...

Gribbet wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Many Labour members and voters must be truly embarrassed tonight as the Labour leader Warren Morgan and councillors have let down once more the must vulnerable in the city for political opportunism. Now you are with the Tories, eager to cut and privatise. If you have any moral fibre left you should be ripping up your membership cards! But then you would have done that when Warren Morgan would not back the Greens in protecting those in arrears due to the bedroom tax.

This should have been the whole council seeking a council tax rise, all fighting to protect the services of this amazing city, sadly only the Greens stand by their principles.

It was Warren Morgan and the Labour group that contributed to the cuts the city faces, by joining with their friends the Tories in voting down a 2% council tax rise, we could have avoided many cuts already made and the need to raise the council tax tax above 2%.

Vote Labour get Tory. Has a good ring for May 2015.
A far better ring than 'greens, here to **** up your city for another few years'. Vote of no confidence is on its way. Bye bye Kitwat
Despite the wailings of the moanerati, B&H has been successful in finding efficiencies, getting external funding for transport projects in particular and avoiding the worst of the cuts despite some of the deepest government cuts. It is difficult to name a council that has cut less than Brighton and Hove. The budgets have been balanced, we have outperformed the economy and business and developers have and are investing hundreds of millions in the city.

Hardly ******* it up.

The vote of no confidence is little more than a power game by Labour. The Labour councillors clearly are more intent on power than supporting the most vulnerable in city. Like I say, vote Labour get Tory.
Whatever, We will see, Im past rising to your spin. The 'Monerati' you talk of are voters, Enough said. PS where exactly do you live again?
Brighton
For a Brighton resident you seem way out of touch with their views. You constantly blame the Argus website, However it is pretty much the only place you get a real feel for what Brightonians think. Please explain, How exactly do you see the greens as staying in any kind of power in the future? And dont spin it its so boring
"(the argus) is pretty much the only place you get a real feel for what Brightonians think"

Not if this recent petition is anything to go by. From a city of 275000 residents, only 682 people signed this petition for a vote of no confidence against the greens, which is half the number of signatures needed. The petition has not only been running for 3 months, but it has also been publicised here in the Argus and yet only 682 signatures? What a failure, hardly difficult to sign an e-petition is it?

I guess you'll reply the usual way when one of your vocal minority is backed into a corner by saying this is 'spin' but can't see how evidence could be much clearer of what Brightonians actually think

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Yes, More spin. How well advertised was the petition? I didnt say the Argus has every brighton & hove resident visiting the site did i? If all residents were made aware of the petition, you know as well as i do it would recieve well over what was required to have some clout.

If the greens are so confident they are seen as a successful and wanted party in Brighton then stick a vote of no confidence vote in with the referendum (cant see any additional cost for this as we are having 1 anyway), Then let the residents decide.

You are either deluded, Or as short sighted as your party if you truly believe the residents of Brighton and Hove will ever re elect you ever again.
Well there was a full article about it a couple of months ago for all readers to see, but doesn't look like there were many takers.

It was also spammed all over the comments sections the same way that you've been spamming the comments sections with that web-link to that amateur news website in the last day or two.

It was also on Facebook, still is, so could have easily gone viral if people cared enough about the cause to click 'share', but for reasons you're struggling with, people didn't like and/or share it.

I'm just presenting some REAL DATA here as a counter argument to your exaggerated and over extrapolated 'facts' (opinions) and predictions. The evidence from this petition heavily suggests that it's actually you yourself that might be a little deluded and out of touch with what the majority of the town think.
So your telling me the greens are doing a good job and going to be re-elected are you? You think the majority are in favour of the greens in B&H?
In light of the evidence, do you still think you're a good spokesperson for the people of Brighton & Hove?

...Or do you now understand not to confuse fact with opinion so readily?
When did I nominate myself as a spokeperson for B&H? I am airing my views and opinions.

Dont try and belittle me pal.

And what 'evidence' are you talking of? I think you obviously realise the greens are doing a **** poor job, people are asking for a vote of no confidence, every media I look at, the greens are getting a slating. Please supply me some 'evidence' of their popularity in B&H.

There is one fact, And thats they are on their merry way out
Well, you seem to be back-pedalling a bit now.

Again, you've used an opinion there about something you think might happen in the future, but you're saying it's a fact even though it hasn't happened yet.

Here are some recent examples where it looks like you've nominated yourself as a spokesperson for the people of Brighton & Hove:

"For a Brighton resident you seem way out of touch with their views."

"You are either deluded, Or as short sighted as your party if you truly believe the residents of Brighton and Hove will ever re elect you ever again."

"If all residents were made aware of the petition, you know as well as i do it would recieve (sic) well over what was required to have some clout."
Haha you utter pric! I've never seen anything like it!
Yeah nor have I, a person who keeps demonstrating that he doesn't understand the difference between fact and opinion.

Happy spamming!
HJ I though you had told Gribbet not to post confrontational messages, especially at a time when we Greens have truly been found out for incompetence, lack of judgement and dare I even say it myself, at a time where we have no support from anyone in the city apart from transien, Marxist types.

Gribbet - hush now HJ is not happy.,
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Many Labour members and voters must be truly embarrassed tonight as the Labour leader Warren Morgan and councillors have let down once more the must vulnerable in the city for political opportunism. Now you are with the Tories, eager to cut and privatise. If you have any moral fibre left you should be ripping up your membership cards! But then you would have done that when Warren Morgan would not back the Greens in protecting those in arrears due to the bedroom tax. This should have been the whole council seeking a council tax rise, all fighting to protect the services of this amazing city, sadly only the Greens stand by their principles. It was Warren Morgan and the Labour group that contributed to the cuts the city faces, by joining with their friends the Tories in voting down a 2% council tax rise, we could have avoided many cuts already made and the need to raise the council tax tax above 2%. Vote Labour get Tory. Has a good ring for May 2015.[/p][/quote]A far better ring than 'greens, here to **** up your city for another few years'. Vote of no confidence is on its way. Bye bye Kitwat[/p][/quote]Despite the wailings of the moanerati, B&H has been successful in finding efficiencies, getting external funding for transport projects in particular and avoiding the worst of the cuts despite some of the deepest government cuts. It is difficult to name a council that has cut less than Brighton and Hove. The budgets have been balanced, we have outperformed the economy and business and developers have and are investing hundreds of millions in the city. Hardly ******* it up. The vote of no confidence is little more than a power game by Labour. The Labour councillors clearly are more intent on power than supporting the most vulnerable in city. Like I say, vote Labour get Tory.[/p][/quote]Whatever, We will see, Im past rising to your spin. The 'Monerati' you talk of are voters, Enough said. PS where exactly do you live again?[/p][/quote]Brighton[/p][/quote]For a Brighton resident you seem way out of touch with their views. You constantly blame the Argus website, However it is pretty much the only place you get a real feel for what Brightonians think. Please explain, How exactly do you see the greens as staying in any kind of power in the future? And dont spin it its so boring[/p][/quote]"(the argus) is pretty much the only place you get a real feel for what Brightonians think" Not if this recent petition is anything to go by. From a city of 275000 residents, only 682 people signed this petition for a vote of no confidence against the greens, which is half the number of signatures needed. The petition has not only been running for 3 months, but it has also been publicised here in the Argus and yet only 682 signatures? What a failure, hardly difficult to sign an e-petition is it? I guess you'll reply the usual way when one of your vocal minority is backed into a corner by saying this is 'spin' but can't see how evidence could be much clearer of what Brightonians actually think htt p://present.brighton -hov e.gov.uk/mgEPetition Disp lay.aspx?Id=391.[/p][/quote]Yes, More spin. How well advertised was the petition? I didnt say the Argus has every brighton & hove resident visiting the site did i? If all residents were made aware of the petition, you know as well as i do it would recieve well over what was required to have some clout. If the greens are so confident they are seen as a successful and wanted party in Brighton then stick a vote of no confidence vote in with the referendum (cant see any additional cost for this as we are having 1 anyway), Then let the residents decide. You are either deluded, Or as short sighted as your party if you truly believe the residents of Brighton and Hove will ever re elect you ever again.[/p][/quote]Well there was a full article about it a couple of months ago for all readers to see, but doesn't look like there were many takers. It was also spammed all over the comments sections the same way that you've been spamming the comments sections with that web-link to that amateur news website in the last day or two. It was also on Facebook, still is, so could have easily gone viral if people cared enough about the cause to click 'share', but for reasons you're struggling with, people didn't like and/or share it. I'm just presenting some REAL DATA here as a counter argument to your exaggerated and over extrapolated 'facts' (opinions) and predictions. The evidence from this petition heavily suggests that it's actually you yourself that might be a little deluded and out of touch with what the majority of the town think.[/p][/quote]So your telling me the greens are doing a good job and going to be re-elected are you? You think the majority are in favour of the greens in B&H?[/p][/quote]In light of the evidence, do you still think you're a good spokesperson for the people of Brighton & Hove? ...Or do you now understand not to confuse fact with opinion so readily?[/p][/quote]When did I nominate myself as a spokeperson for B&H? I am airing my views and opinions. Dont try and belittle me pal. And what 'evidence' are you talking of? I think you obviously realise the greens are doing a **** poor job, people are asking for a vote of no confidence, every media I look at, the greens are getting a slating. Please supply me some 'evidence' of their popularity in B&H. There is one fact, And thats they are on their merry way out[/p][/quote]Well, you seem to be back-pedalling a bit now. Again, you've used an opinion there about something you think might happen in the future, but you're saying it's a fact even though it hasn't happened yet. Here are some recent examples where it looks like you've nominated yourself as a spokesperson for the people of Brighton & Hove: "For a Brighton resident you seem way out of touch with their views." "You are either deluded, Or as short sighted as your party if you truly believe the residents of Brighton and Hove will ever re elect you ever again." "If all residents were made aware of the petition, you know as well as i do it would recieve (sic) well over what was required to have some clout."[/p][/quote]Haha you utter pric! I've never seen anything like it![/p][/quote]Yeah nor have I, a person who keeps demonstrating that he doesn't understand the difference between fact and opinion. Happy spamming![/p][/quote]HJ I though you had told Gribbet not to post confrontational messages, especially at a time when we Greens have truly been found out for incompetence, lack of judgement and dare I even say it myself, at a time where we have no support from anyone in the city apart from transien, Marxist types. Gribbet - hush now HJ is not happy., I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars!
  • Score: 6

8:16pm Sat 18 Jan 14

ghost bus driver says...

Martin999 wrote:
What worries me is that this Green council are so cunning and manipulative they might well get this referendum approved. They will send a form to all Brighton residents, the first question of which will be "Do you support the elderly, disabled, vulnerable?" Second question, "would you be willing to give just a few pence a day to help these people?". And so on. Anyone old enough to have watched and enjoyed the TV programme "Yes, Prime Minister" will have seen Sir Humphrey explain how Goverments get the answer they seek by carefully wording the question(s). Yes, I know it was just a comedy programme, but it had a great deal of truth in it.
You're absolutely right about Yes Prime Minister. I might actually go and watch some now.

What was that saying again?

"Many a true word spoken in jest"
[quote][p][bold]Martin999[/bold] wrote: What worries me is that this Green council are so cunning and manipulative they might well get this referendum approved. They will send a form to all Brighton residents, the first question of which will be "Do you support the elderly, disabled, vulnerable?" Second question, "would you be willing to give just a few pence a day to help these people?". And so on. Anyone old enough to have watched and enjoyed the TV programme "Yes, Prime Minister" will have seen Sir Humphrey explain how Goverments get the answer they seek by carefully wording the question(s). Yes, I know it was just a comedy programme, but it had a great deal of truth in it.[/p][/quote]You're absolutely right about Yes Prime Minister. I might actually go and watch some now. What was that saying again? "Many a true word spoken in jest" ghost bus driver
  • Score: 5

3:29pm Sun 19 Jan 14

RottingdeanRant says...

STOP THE REFERENDUM which will waste even more money. if it goes ahead I don’t suppose there is any chance that people will actually have to had paid council tax within the past year?
STOP THE REFERENDUM which will waste even more money. if it goes ahead I don’t suppose there is any chance that people will actually have to had paid council tax within the past year? RottingdeanRant
  • Score: 5

5:02pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Freeman No.1 says...

DAP85 wrote:
Unfortunately the only way we can save services to the most vulnerable in this city in the face of the coalitions savage cuts is to raise council tax, and the Greens are letting the people decide if this is what we want to do. Genuinely involving the community in the big decisions!

I hope Labour support this budget move and show dedication to protecting the most vulnerable in the city. Without this tax increase there is no way the city can have a budget without severe cuts.
That is not what the Greens are doing at all.

Before raising a question such as this in a local referendum, I need to be asked whether or not I want the minority Green council to refuse taxation relief handouts from central govt.

Telling me that if I don't want a 5% rise in Council tax, that the most vulnerable members of our society will suffer is nothing short of blackmail. Coming from a fledgling political party which has zero experience of running a local council, can only mean that either they aren't doing their job correctly or that it's so easy to run a local council that anyone could do it.
[quote][p][bold]DAP85[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately the only way we can save services to the most vulnerable in this city in the face of the coalitions savage cuts is to raise council tax, and the Greens are letting the people decide if this is what we want to do. Genuinely involving the community in the big decisions! I hope Labour support this budget move and show dedication to protecting the most vulnerable in the city. Without this tax increase there is no way the city can have a budget without severe cuts.[/p][/quote]That is not what the Greens are doing at all. Before raising a question such as this in a local referendum, I need to be asked whether or not I want the minority Green council to refuse taxation relief handouts from central govt. Telling me that if I don't want a 5% rise in Council tax, that the most vulnerable members of our society will suffer is nothing short of blackmail. Coming from a fledgling political party which has zero experience of running a local council, can only mean that either they aren't doing their job correctly or that it's so easy to run a local council that anyone could do it. Freeman No.1
  • Score: 9

5:17pm Sun 19 Jan 14

RottingdeanRant says...

Freeman No.1 wrote:
DAP85 wrote:
Unfortunately the only way we can save services to the most vulnerable in this city in the face of the coalitions savage cuts is to raise council tax, and the Greens are letting the people decide if this is what we want to do. Genuinely involving the community in the big decisions!

I hope Labour support this budget move and show dedication to protecting the most vulnerable in the city. Without this tax increase there is no way the city can have a budget without severe cuts.
That is not what the Greens are doing at all.

Before raising a question such as this in a local referendum, I need to be asked whether or not I want the minority Green council to refuse taxation relief handouts from central govt.

Telling me that if I don't want a 5% rise in Council tax, that the most vulnerable members of our society will suffer is nothing short of blackmail. Coming from a fledgling political party which has zero experience of running a local council, can only mean that either they aren't doing their job correctly or that it's so easy to run a local council that anyone could do it.
Freemna No 1 - the only way we can save services to the most vulnerable is not to increase council tax. We have the far more palatable option to reduce spending elsewhere which is exactly what household have to do when managing their budgets. I want the council and government to spend less of my money not more!
[quote][p][bold]Freeman No.1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DAP85[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately the only way we can save services to the most vulnerable in this city in the face of the coalitions savage cuts is to raise council tax, and the Greens are letting the people decide if this is what we want to do. Genuinely involving the community in the big decisions! I hope Labour support this budget move and show dedication to protecting the most vulnerable in the city. Without this tax increase there is no way the city can have a budget without severe cuts.[/p][/quote]That is not what the Greens are doing at all. Before raising a question such as this in a local referendum, I need to be asked whether or not I want the minority Green council to refuse taxation relief handouts from central govt. Telling me that if I don't want a 5% rise in Council tax, that the most vulnerable members of our society will suffer is nothing short of blackmail. Coming from a fledgling political party which has zero experience of running a local council, can only mean that either they aren't doing their job correctly or that it's so easy to run a local council that anyone could do it.[/p][/quote]Freemna No 1 - the only way we can save services to the most vulnerable is not to increase council tax. We have the far more palatable option to reduce spending elsewhere which is exactly what household have to do when managing their budgets. I want the council and government to spend less of my money not more! RottingdeanRant
  • Score: 9

1:02pm Mon 20 Jan 14

TheDrive says...

Perhaps the council could raise some money by selling some of the 436 car-park spaces it retains in the centre of the city for council staff.
Perhaps the council could raise some money by selling some of the 436 car-park spaces it retains in the centre of the city for council staff. TheDrive
  • Score: 5

3:48pm Wed 22 Jan 14

exgreen supporter says...

Cant believe I actually voted for this bunch of jokers. Thought that they were interested in saving the environment but alas just come up with a load of crazy money wasting schemes. If they were really green then they would want to conserve resources not go on mad spending sprees.
Cant believe I actually voted for this bunch of jokers. Thought that they were interested in saving the environment but alas just come up with a load of crazy money wasting schemes. If they were really green then they would want to conserve resources not go on mad spending sprees. exgreen supporter
  • Score: 6

5:17pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Richada says...

exgreen supporter wrote:
Cant believe I actually voted for this bunch of jokers. Thought that they were interested in saving the environment but alas just come up with a load of crazy money wasting schemes. If they were really green then they would want to conserve resources not go on mad spending sprees.
Amongst a wide spread number of friends, colleagues and acquaintances, that, in a nutshell appears to be the consensus of opinion.

A great opportunity squandered away in such spectacular fashion that nobody in their right mind is likely to vote for a Green administration for a very long time.
[quote][p][bold]exgreen supporter[/bold] wrote: Cant believe I actually voted for this bunch of jokers. Thought that they were interested in saving the environment but alas just come up with a load of crazy money wasting schemes. If they were really green then they would want to conserve resources not go on mad spending sprees.[/p][/quote]Amongst a wide spread number of friends, colleagues and acquaintances, that, in a nutshell appears to be the consensus of opinion. A great opportunity squandered away in such spectacular fashion that nobody in their right mind is likely to vote for a Green administration for a very long time. Richada
  • Score: 2

9:35pm Wed 22 Jan 14

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! says...

exgreen supporter wrote:
Cant believe I actually voted for this bunch of jokers. Thought that they were interested in saving the environment but alas just come up with a load of crazy money wasting schemes. If they were really green then they would want to conserve resources not go on mad spending sprees.
HJ says that people believe that the green voters should be sued.

It seems extreme, however if it wasn't for the stupidity of these voters, Brighton would be vastly improved.
[quote][p][bold]exgreen supporter[/bold] wrote: Cant believe I actually voted for this bunch of jokers. Thought that they were interested in saving the environment but alas just come up with a load of crazy money wasting schemes. If they were really green then they would want to conserve resources not go on mad spending sprees.[/p][/quote]HJ says that people believe that the green voters should be sued. It seems extreme, however if it wasn't for the stupidity of these voters, Brighton would be vastly improved. I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars!
  • Score: 2

11:40pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Matt Grout says...

I have read all the comments above and it is quite clear that the council should have prioritised funding services for vulnerable people rather than all the other things mentioned. Therefore all the arguments about cycle lanes etc are irrelevant. A council must act in the best interests of the most vulnerable above everything else. This is a basic moral principal. The council is therefore failing and their call for a referendum, in the hope of gaining more funds, is not acceptable, and a dangerous precedent to set. Instead They need to prove that they can at least start to fix this with the money that they have. This will mean very difficult decisions and projects may have to be postponed or cancelled, but it has to be done. If the council can begin this process quickly the community should support them. This is a massive challenge for us all but it is the only sensible way forward
I have read all the comments above and it is quite clear that the council should have prioritised funding services for vulnerable people rather than all the other things mentioned. Therefore all the arguments about cycle lanes etc are irrelevant. A council must act in the best interests of the most vulnerable above everything else. This is a basic moral principal. The council is therefore failing and their call for a referendum, in the hope of gaining more funds, is not acceptable, and a dangerous precedent to set. Instead They need to prove that they can at least start to fix this with the money that they have. This will mean very difficult decisions and projects may have to be postponed or cancelled, but it has to be done. If the council can begin this process quickly the community should support them. This is a massive challenge for us all but it is the only sensible way forward Matt Grout
  • Score: 2

12:04am Thu 23 Jan 14

brighton bluenose says...

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! wrote:
exgreen supporter wrote:
Cant believe I actually voted for this bunch of jokers. Thought that they were interested in saving the environment but alas just come up with a load of crazy money wasting schemes. If they were really green then they would want to conserve resources not go on mad spending sprees.
HJ says that people believe that the green voters should be sued.

It seems extreme, however if it wasn't for the stupidity of these voters, Brighton would be vastly improved.
So we have the situation where the arches have been left to rot for years, 17000 on the council house waiting list, 30% of kids in the city living in poverth etc etc all of which commenced and escalated under Tory/ Labour administrations and which the present regime has now to deal with and find funding for and it's all the Greens fault - yet you want more of the old regime! You couldn't make it up!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]exgreen supporter[/bold] wrote: Cant believe I actually voted for this bunch of jokers. Thought that they were interested in saving the environment but alas just come up with a load of crazy money wasting schemes. If they were really green then they would want to conserve resources not go on mad spending sprees.[/p][/quote]HJ says that people believe that the green voters should be sued. It seems extreme, however if it wasn't for the stupidity of these voters, Brighton would be vastly improved.[/p][/quote]So we have the situation where the arches have been left to rot for years, 17000 on the council house waiting list, 30% of kids in the city living in poverth etc etc all of which commenced and escalated under Tory/ Labour administrations and which the present regime has now to deal with and find funding for and it's all the Greens fault - yet you want more of the old regime! You couldn't make it up!!!!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -3

7:53pm Sat 25 Jan 14

Justin99 says...

Gribbet wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Many Labour members and voters must be truly embarrassed tonight as the Labour leader Warren Morgan and councillors have let down once more the must vulnerable in the city for political opportunism. Now you are with the Tories, eager to cut and privatise. If you have any moral fibre left you should be ripping up your membership cards! But then you would have done that when Warren Morgan would not back the Greens in protecting those in arrears due to the bedroom tax.

This should have been the whole council seeking a council tax rise, all fighting to protect the services of this amazing city, sadly only the Greens stand by their principles.

It was Warren Morgan and the Labour group that contributed to the cuts the city faces, by joining with their friends the Tories in voting down a 2% council tax rise, we could have avoided many cuts already made and the need to raise the council tax tax above 2%.

Vote Labour get Tory. Has a good ring for May 2015.
A far better ring than 'greens, here to **** up your city for another few years'. Vote of no confidence is on its way. Bye bye Kitwat
Despite the wailings of the moanerati, B&H has been successful in finding efficiencies, getting external funding for transport projects in particular and avoiding the worst of the cuts despite some of the deepest government cuts. It is difficult to name a council that has cut less than Brighton and Hove. The budgets have been balanced, we have outperformed the economy and business and developers have and are investing hundreds of millions in the city.

Hardly ******* it up.

The vote of no confidence is little more than a power game by Labour. The Labour councillors clearly are more intent on power than supporting the most vulnerable in city. Like I say, vote Labour get Tory.
Whatever, We will see, Im past rising to your spin. The 'Monerati' you talk of are voters, Enough said. PS where exactly do you live again?
Brighton
For a Brighton resident you seem way out of touch with their views. You constantly blame the Argus website, However it is pretty much the only place you get a real feel for what Brightonians think. Please explain, How exactly do you see the greens as staying in any kind of power in the future? And dont spin it its so boring
"(the argus) is pretty much the only place you get a real feel for what Brightonians think"

Not if this recent petition is anything to go by. From a city of 275000 residents, only 682 people signed this petition for a vote of no confidence against the greens, which is half the number of signatures needed. The petition has not only been running for 3 months, but it has also been publicised here in the Argus and yet only 682 signatures? What a failure, hardly difficult to sign an e-petition is it?

I guess you'll reply the usual way when one of your vocal minority is backed into a corner by saying this is 'spin' but can't see how evidence could be much clearer of what Brightonians actually think

htt p://present.brighton



-hov
e.gov.uk/mgEPetition



Disp
lay.aspx?Id=391.
Yes, More spin. How well advertised was the petition? I didnt say the Argus has every brighton & hove resident visiting the site did i? If all residents were made aware of the petition, you know as well as i do it would recieve well over what was required to have some clout.

If the greens are so confident they are seen as a successful and wanted party in Brighton then stick a vote of no confidence vote in with the referendum (cant see any additional cost for this as we are having 1 anyway), Then let the residents decide.

You are either deluded, Or as short sighted as your party if you truly believe the residents of Brighton and Hove will ever re elect you ever again.
Well there was a full article about it a couple of months ago for all readers to see, but doesn't look like there were many takers.

It was also spammed all over the comments sections the same way that you've been spamming the comments sections with that web-link to that amateur news website in the last day or two.

It was also on Facebook, still is, so could have easily gone viral if people cared enough about the cause to click 'share', but for reasons you're struggling with, people didn't like and/or share it.

I'm just presenting some REAL DATA here as a counter argument to your exaggerated and over extrapolated 'facts' (opinions) and predictions. The evidence from this petition heavily suggests that it's actually you yourself that might be a little deluded and out of touch with what the majority of the town think.
The reason no one filled in the petition was it required full registration including address. Hopeless website and people could not be bothered. I wouldn't take that as a sign of love for the greens in the city.
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Many Labour members and voters must be truly embarrassed tonight as the Labour leader Warren Morgan and councillors have let down once more the must vulnerable in the city for political opportunism. Now you are with the Tories, eager to cut and privatise. If you have any moral fibre left you should be ripping up your membership cards! But then you would have done that when Warren Morgan would not back the Greens in protecting those in arrears due to the bedroom tax. This should have been the whole council seeking a council tax rise, all fighting to protect the services of this amazing city, sadly only the Greens stand by their principles. It was Warren Morgan and the Labour group that contributed to the cuts the city faces, by joining with their friends the Tories in voting down a 2% council tax rise, we could have avoided many cuts already made and the need to raise the council tax tax above 2%. Vote Labour get Tory. Has a good ring for May 2015.[/p][/quote]A far better ring than 'greens, here to **** up your city for another few years'. Vote of no confidence is on its way. Bye bye Kitwat[/p][/quote]Despite the wailings of the moanerati, B&H has been successful in finding efficiencies, getting external funding for transport projects in particular and avoiding the worst of the cuts despite some of the deepest government cuts. It is difficult to name a council that has cut less than Brighton and Hove. The budgets have been balanced, we have outperformed the economy and business and developers have and are investing hundreds of millions in the city. Hardly ******* it up. The vote of no confidence is little more than a power game by Labour. The Labour councillors clearly are more intent on power than supporting the most vulnerable in city. Like I say, vote Labour get Tory.[/p][/quote]Whatever, We will see, Im past rising to your spin. The 'Monerati' you talk of are voters, Enough said. PS where exactly do you live again?[/p][/quote]Brighton[/p][/quote]For a Brighton resident you seem way out of touch with their views. You constantly blame the Argus website, However it is pretty much the only place you get a real feel for what Brightonians think. Please explain, How exactly do you see the greens as staying in any kind of power in the future? And dont spin it its so boring[/p][/quote]"(the argus) is pretty much the only place you get a real feel for what Brightonians think" Not if this recent petition is anything to go by. From a city of 275000 residents, only 682 people signed this petition for a vote of no confidence against the greens, which is half the number of signatures needed. The petition has not only been running for 3 months, but it has also been publicised here in the Argus and yet only 682 signatures? What a failure, hardly difficult to sign an e-petition is it? I guess you'll reply the usual way when one of your vocal minority is backed into a corner by saying this is 'spin' but can't see how evidence could be much clearer of what Brightonians actually think htt p://present.brighton -hov e.gov.uk/mgEPetition Disp lay.aspx?Id=391.[/p][/quote]Yes, More spin. How well advertised was the petition? I didnt say the Argus has every brighton & hove resident visiting the site did i? If all residents were made aware of the petition, you know as well as i do it would recieve well over what was required to have some clout. If the greens are so confident they are seen as a successful and wanted party in Brighton then stick a vote of no confidence vote in with the referendum (cant see any additional cost for this as we are having 1 anyway), Then let the residents decide. You are either deluded, Or as short sighted as your party if you truly believe the residents of Brighton and Hove will ever re elect you ever again.[/p][/quote]Well there was a full article about it a couple of months ago for all readers to see, but doesn't look like there were many takers. It was also spammed all over the comments sections the same way that you've been spamming the comments sections with that web-link to that amateur news website in the last day or two. It was also on Facebook, still is, so could have easily gone viral if people cared enough about the cause to click 'share', but for reasons you're struggling with, people didn't like and/or share it. I'm just presenting some REAL DATA here as a counter argument to your exaggerated and over extrapolated 'facts' (opinions) and predictions. The evidence from this petition heavily suggests that it's actually you yourself that might be a little deluded and out of touch with what the majority of the town think.[/p][/quote]The reason no one filled in the petition was it required full registration including address. Hopeless website and people could not be bothered. I wouldn't take that as a sign of love for the greens in the city. Justin99
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9:02pm Sat 25 Jan 14

Richada says...

Justin99 wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Many Labour members and voters must be truly embarrassed tonight as the Labour leader Warren Morgan and councillors have let down once more the must vulnerable in the city for political opportunism. Now you are with the Tories, eager to cut and privatise. If you have any moral fibre left you should be ripping up your membership cards! But then you would have done that when Warren Morgan would not back the Greens in protecting those in arrears due to the bedroom tax.

This should have been the whole council seeking a council tax rise, all fighting to protect the services of this amazing city, sadly only the Greens stand by their principles.

It was Warren Morgan and the Labour group that contributed to the cuts the city faces, by joining with their friends the Tories in voting down a 2% council tax rise, we could have avoided many cuts already made and the need to raise the council tax tax above 2%.

Vote Labour get Tory. Has a good ring for May 2015.
A far better ring than 'greens, here to **** up your city for another few years'. Vote of no confidence is on its way. Bye bye Kitwat
Despite the wailings of the moanerati, B&H has been successful in finding efficiencies, getting external funding for transport projects in particular and avoiding the worst of the cuts despite some of the deepest government cuts. It is difficult to name a council that has cut less than Brighton and Hove. The budgets have been balanced, we have outperformed the economy and business and developers have and are investing hundreds of millions in the city.

Hardly ******* it up.

The vote of no confidence is little more than a power game by Labour. The Labour councillors clearly are more intent on power than supporting the most vulnerable in city. Like I say, vote Labour get Tory.
Whatever, We will see, Im past rising to your spin. The 'Monerati' you talk of are voters, Enough said. PS where exactly do you live again?
Brighton
For a Brighton resident you seem way out of touch with their views. You constantly blame the Argus website, However it is pretty much the only place you get a real feel for what Brightonians think. Please explain, How exactly do you see the greens as staying in any kind of power in the future? And dont spin it its so boring
"(the argus) is pretty much the only place you get a real feel for what Brightonians think"

Not if this recent petition is anything to go by. From a city of 275000 residents, only 682 people signed this petition for a vote of no confidence against the greens, which is half the number of signatures needed. The petition has not only been running for 3 months, but it has also been publicised here in the Argus and yet only 682 signatures? What a failure, hardly difficult to sign an e-petition is it?

I guess you'll reply the usual way when one of your vocal minority is backed into a corner by saying this is 'spin' but can't see how evidence could be much clearer of what Brightonians actually think

htt p://present.brighton




-hov
e.gov.uk/mgEPetition




Disp
lay.aspx?Id=391.
Yes, More spin. How well advertised was the petition? I didnt say the Argus has every brighton & hove resident visiting the site did i? If all residents were made aware of the petition, you know as well as i do it would recieve well over what was required to have some clout.

If the greens are so confident they are seen as a successful and wanted party in Brighton then stick a vote of no confidence vote in with the referendum (cant see any additional cost for this as we are having 1 anyway), Then let the residents decide.

You are either deluded, Or as short sighted as your party if you truly believe the residents of Brighton and Hove will ever re elect you ever again.
Well there was a full article about it a couple of months ago for all readers to see, but doesn't look like there were many takers.

It was also spammed all over the comments sections the same way that you've been spamming the comments sections with that web-link to that amateur news website in the last day or two.

It was also on Facebook, still is, so could have easily gone viral if people cared enough about the cause to click 'share', but for reasons you're struggling with, people didn't like and/or share it.

I'm just presenting some REAL DATA here as a counter argument to your exaggerated and over extrapolated 'facts' (opinions) and predictions. The evidence from this petition heavily suggests that it's actually you yourself that might be a little deluded and out of touch with what the majority of the town think.
The reason no one filled in the petition was it required full registration including address. Hopeless website and people could not be bothered. I wouldn't take that as a sign of love for the greens in the city.
A lot of us were unaware of the petition - I for one would have had no problem putting my name and address to it........

......not that the current council would have the first idea where I am - even the dustmen can't find us these days.
[quote][p][bold]Justin99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Many Labour members and voters must be truly embarrassed tonight as the Labour leader Warren Morgan and councillors have let down once more the must vulnerable in the city for political opportunism. Now you are with the Tories, eager to cut and privatise. If you have any moral fibre left you should be ripping up your membership cards! But then you would have done that when Warren Morgan would not back the Greens in protecting those in arrears due to the bedroom tax. This should have been the whole council seeking a council tax rise, all fighting to protect the services of this amazing city, sadly only the Greens stand by their principles. It was Warren Morgan and the Labour group that contributed to the cuts the city faces, by joining with their friends the Tories in voting down a 2% council tax rise, we could have avoided many cuts already made and the need to raise the council tax tax above 2%. Vote Labour get Tory. Has a good ring for May 2015.[/p][/quote]A far better ring than 'greens, here to **** up your city for another few years'. Vote of no confidence is on its way. Bye bye Kitwat[/p][/quote]Despite the wailings of the moanerati, B&H has been successful in finding efficiencies, getting external funding for transport projects in particular and avoiding the worst of the cuts despite some of the deepest government cuts. It is difficult to name a council that has cut less than Brighton and Hove. The budgets have been balanced, we have outperformed the economy and business and developers have and are investing hundreds of millions in the city. Hardly ******* it up. The vote of no confidence is little more than a power game by Labour. The Labour councillors clearly are more intent on power than supporting the most vulnerable in city. Like I say, vote Labour get Tory.[/p][/quote]Whatever, We will see, Im past rising to your spin. The 'Monerati' you talk of are voters, Enough said. PS where exactly do you live again?[/p][/quote]Brighton[/p][/quote]For a Brighton resident you seem way out of touch with their views. You constantly blame the Argus website, However it is pretty much the only place you get a real feel for what Brightonians think. Please explain, How exactly do you see the greens as staying in any kind of power in the future? And dont spin it its so boring[/p][/quote]"(the argus) is pretty much the only place you get a real feel for what Brightonians think" Not if this recent petition is anything to go by. From a city of 275000 residents, only 682 people signed this petition for a vote of no confidence against the greens, which is half the number of signatures needed. The petition has not only been running for 3 months, but it has also been publicised here in the Argus and yet only 682 signatures? What a failure, hardly difficult to sign an e-petition is it? I guess you'll reply the usual way when one of your vocal minority is backed into a corner by saying this is 'spin' but can't see how evidence could be much clearer of what Brightonians actually think htt p://present.brighton -hov e.gov.uk/mgEPetition Disp lay.aspx?Id=391.[/p][/quote]Yes, More spin. How well advertised was the petition? I didnt say the Argus has every brighton & hove resident visiting the site did i? If all residents were made aware of the petition, you know as well as i do it would recieve well over what was required to have some clout. If the greens are so confident they are seen as a successful and wanted party in Brighton then stick a vote of no confidence vote in with the referendum (cant see any additional cost for this as we are having 1 anyway), Then let the residents decide. You are either deluded, Or as short sighted as your party if you truly believe the residents of Brighton and Hove will ever re elect you ever again.[/p][/quote]Well there was a full article about it a couple of months ago for all readers to see, but doesn't look like there were many takers. It was also spammed all over the comments sections the same way that you've been spamming the comments sections with that web-link to that amateur news website in the last day or two. It was also on Facebook, still is, so could have easily gone viral if people cared enough about the cause to click 'share', but for reasons you're struggling with, people didn't like and/or share it. I'm just presenting some REAL DATA here as a counter argument to your exaggerated and over extrapolated 'facts' (opinions) and predictions. The evidence from this petition heavily suggests that it's actually you yourself that might be a little deluded and out of touch with what the majority of the town think.[/p][/quote]The reason no one filled in the petition was it required full registration including address. Hopeless website and people could not be bothered. I wouldn't take that as a sign of love for the greens in the city.[/p][/quote]A lot of us were unaware of the petition - I for one would have had no problem putting my name and address to it........ ......not that the current council would have the first idea where I am - even the dustmen can't find us these days. Richada
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