Sussex drivers warned to slow down as one caught speeding every ten minutes

Sussex drivers warned to slow down as one caught speeding every ten minutes

Sussex drivers warned to slow down as one caught speeding every ten minutes

First published in News by , Crime reporter

A driver is caught speeding somewhere in Sussex every ten minutes, The Argus can reveal.

A staggering 51,121 motorists were issued with Notices of Intended Prosecution (NIPs) between January and December last year.

The figures from a Freedom of Information request to Sussex Police showthat daily more than 140 drivers were given NIPs for speeding and either summonsed to court, given points on their licence or ordered to pay a fine.

Of the 51,121 people who were given NIPs, 6,383 drivers attended speed awareness courses.


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Neil Hopkins, of the Sussex Safer Roads Partnership, urged speeding drivers to slow down, as “lower speeds, especially on busy roads, will give motorists time to react to any developing situations”.

He said: “Excessive (over the posted limit) or inappropriate (too fast for local road conditions) speed is a factor in too many collisions “While the Sussex Safer Roads Partnership (SSRP) works to educate drivers about inappropriate speeds, there are times when enforcement is necessary to curb dangerous or excessive speeds for the benefit of all road users.

“There is a map of fixed, mobile and red light enforcement camera locations on the SSRP's website along with information about the number of offences, collisions and average speeds around each fixed enforcement site.

“This helps Sussex residents to understand the reasoning for each enforcement site, and why enforcement is necessary to continually improve safety in those areas. We enforce the speed limits across Sussex fairly, visiting each site on a regular basis to ensure that all of our local communities are protected from the actions of those who think that it's acceptable to travel excessively quickly along our road network throughout the year.”

He added: “With reference to the average of 140 drivers per day detected speeding in Sussex, you'll appreciate how small that number is in comparison to the vast number of journeys made in Sussex each day.

“The A23 alone carries around 65,000 journeys each day, so contextually, 140 drivers being detected is a minuscule proportion of the total vehicle journeys across the county.”

In 2012 Sussex Police clocked what was then Britain’s fastest speeder.

The motorcyclist was spotted by police riding at 152mph near Arundel, prompting critics to name the A27 one of Britain’s worst roads for speeding.

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7:33am Mon 20 Jan 14

twonk says...

Kerching!!!
Kerching!!! twonk
  • Score: 15

8:24am Mon 20 Jan 14

Barney123 says...

Think how much money they make from those speed awareness courses, but I hear they make a difference.

Having said that, a mate of mine was late for his, so had to put his foot down to get there in time!
Think how much money they make from those speed awareness courses, but I hear they make a difference. Having said that, a mate of mine was late for his, so had to put his foot down to get there in time! Barney123
  • Score: 16

8:37am Mon 20 Jan 14

Made In Sussex says...

Well done, now maybe the sussex police brain cell can focus its efforts on the stuff that cuases the majority of accidents such as driving whilst on the phone or not paying due attention, tailgating, agressive driving etc etc..
Well done, now maybe the sussex police brain cell can focus its efforts on the stuff that cuases the majority of accidents such as driving whilst on the phone or not paying due attention, tailgating, agressive driving etc etc.. Made In Sussex
  • Score: 37

8:44am Mon 20 Jan 14

Terry K says...

Many are killed and injured by police vehicles every year also,
Many are killed and injured by police vehicles every year also, Terry K
  • Score: -25

9:15am Mon 20 Jan 14

The Prophet of Doom says...

No-one caught in and around the 20mph zones then?
No-one caught in and around the 20mph zones then? The Prophet of Doom
  • Score: 32

9:19am Mon 20 Jan 14

Goldenwight says...

"A driver is caught speeding somewhere in Sussex every ten minutes, The Argus can reveal."

You would think he would have learned by now, wouldn't you?
"A driver is caught speeding somewhere in Sussex every ten minutes, The Argus can reveal." You would think he would have learned by now, wouldn't you? Goldenwight
  • Score: 27

9:23am Mon 20 Jan 14

Telscombe Cliffy says...

Goldenwight wrote:
"A driver is caught speeding somewhere in Sussex every ten minutes, The Argus can reveal."

You would think he would have learned by now, wouldn't you?
He must be getting really fed up with it
[quote][p][bold]Goldenwight[/bold] wrote: "A driver is caught speeding somewhere in Sussex every ten minutes, The Argus can reveal." You would think he would have learned by now, wouldn't you?[/p][/quote]He must be getting really fed up with it Telscombe Cliffy
  • Score: 11

9:31am Mon 20 Jan 14

Phani Tikkala says...

Nice to see the police rushing to high priority speeding incidents when there's a burglary in England and Wales every one minute
Nice to see the police rushing to high priority speeding incidents when there's a burglary in England and Wales every one minute Phani Tikkala
  • Score: 21

9:32am Mon 20 Jan 14

Quiterie says...

Barney123 wrote:
Think how much money they make from those speed awareness courses, but I hear they make a difference.

Having said that, a mate of mine was late for his, so had to put his foot down to get there in time!
I went on one of these a year or so ago.

As I drove out of the car park one of the other attendees was driving his van in front of me happily chatting on his mobile phone!
[quote][p][bold]Barney123[/bold] wrote: Think how much money they make from those speed awareness courses, but I hear they make a difference. Having said that, a mate of mine was late for his, so had to put his foot down to get there in time![/p][/quote]I went on one of these a year or so ago. As I drove out of the car park one of the other attendees was driving his van in front of me happily chatting on his mobile phone! Quiterie
  • Score: 19

10:08am Mon 20 Jan 14

monkeymoo says...

One question, i never could understand;

Why are cars made with the capability to break the law in all countries?
One question, i never could understand; Why are cars made with the capability to break the law in all countries? monkeymoo
  • Score: -13

10:30am Mon 20 Jan 14

Richada says...

monkeymoo wrote:
One question, i never could understand;

Why are cars made with the capability to break the law in all countries?
Many of the German motorways (where I clock up about 10% of my annual mileage currently) are totally de-restricted, therefore cars do not have the capability to "break the law in all countries".

It is not speed that kills, but drivers inappropriate use of it.

Here we have a driving test that does not include motorway driving, and yet, the day the licence is issued the driver is at liberty to use this type of road.
[quote][p][bold]monkeymoo[/bold] wrote: One question, i never could understand; Why are cars made with the capability to break the law in all countries?[/p][/quote]Many of the German motorways (where I clock up about 10% of my annual mileage currently) are totally de-restricted, therefore cars do not have the capability to "break the law in all countries". It is not speed that kills, but drivers inappropriate use of it. Here we have a driving test that does not include motorway driving, and yet, the day the licence is issued the driver is at liberty to use this type of road. Richada
  • Score: 26

10:35am Mon 20 Jan 14

Richada says...

The Prophet of Doom wrote:
No-one caught in and around the 20mph zones then?
Er, no.

The 20mph zones are a total success, all drivers, seeing the need to protect the most vulnerable of our citizen,s are strictly abiding by the local speed limits.
[quote][p][bold]The Prophet of Doom[/bold] wrote: No-one caught in and around the 20mph zones then?[/p][/quote]Er, no. The 20mph zones are a total success, all drivers, seeing the need to protect the most vulnerable of our citizen,s are strictly abiding by the local speed limits. Richada
  • Score: 2

10:39am Mon 20 Jan 14

Richada says...

Terry K wrote:
Many are killed and injured by police vehicles every year also,
I think police drivers used to be far better trained than they are now - again, a lot of this type of accident is due to inappropriate use of speed - in this case cloaked in the security of "blues and twos".
[quote][p][bold]Terry K[/bold] wrote: Many are killed and injured by police vehicles every year also,[/p][/quote]I think police drivers used to be far better trained than they are now - again, a lot of this type of accident is due to inappropriate use of speed - in this case cloaked in the security of "blues and twos". Richada
  • Score: -5

12:43pm Mon 20 Jan 14

TheDrive says...

Phani Tikkala wrote:
Nice to see the police rushing to high priority speeding incidents when there's a burglary in England and Wales every one minute
Different departments. Traffic police don't cover burglaries. Both are equally valid to police. National statistics from 2010 show that 436 people were killed by speeding or driving too fast for conditions, 558 from losing control of a vehicle and 437 for careless/reckless/ag
gressive driving. So over 1400 people. That needs action and Sussex Police are doing the right thing.
[quote][p][bold]Phani Tikkala[/bold] wrote: Nice to see the police rushing to high priority speeding incidents when there's a burglary in England and Wales every one minute[/p][/quote]Different departments. Traffic police don't cover burglaries. Both are equally valid to police. National statistics from 2010 show that 436 people were killed by speeding or driving too fast for conditions, 558 from losing control of a vehicle and 437 for careless/reckless/ag gressive driving. So over 1400 people. That needs action and Sussex Police are doing the right thing. TheDrive
  • Score: 5

12:49pm Mon 20 Jan 14

TheDrive says...

The Sussex Safer Roads speed awareness course is great and the people running it are doing a good job. I had to attend for driving at 86mph on the A23 and it changed my driving habits. Now I just start my journey ten minutes earlier. There is no legitimate need or excuse for a non emergency vehicle to be speeding, and anyone who thinks otherwise needs a rethink.
The Sussex Safer Roads speed awareness course is great and the people running it are doing a good job. I had to attend for driving at 86mph on the A23 and it changed my driving habits. Now I just start my journey ten minutes earlier. There is no legitimate need or excuse for a non emergency vehicle to be speeding, and anyone who thinks otherwise needs a rethink. TheDrive
  • Score: 2

1:11pm Mon 20 Jan 14

runnergirl says...

TheDrive wrote:
The Sussex Safer Roads speed awareness course is great and the people running it are doing a good job. I had to attend for driving at 86mph on the A23 and it changed my driving habits. Now I just start my journey ten minutes earlier. There is no legitimate need or excuse for a non emergency vehicle to be speeding, and anyone who thinks otherwise needs a rethink.
Good on you for facing up to your responsibilities on the road and for sharing your experience of the speed awareness course.

I'm sure every driver has broken the speed limit at one time or another. One thing that puzzles me is why motorcyclists seem to think they are above the law. When they zoom up behind you, preparing to roar past you, it's almost as if it's their God-given right, even if they're doing over 100mph! Could any 'bikers' please explain this behaviour/attitude?
[quote][p][bold]TheDrive[/bold] wrote: The Sussex Safer Roads speed awareness course is great and the people running it are doing a good job. I had to attend for driving at 86mph on the A23 and it changed my driving habits. Now I just start my journey ten minutes earlier. There is no legitimate need or excuse for a non emergency vehicle to be speeding, and anyone who thinks otherwise needs a rethink.[/p][/quote]Good on you for facing up to your responsibilities on the road and for sharing your experience of the speed awareness course. I'm sure every driver has broken the speed limit at one time or another. One thing that puzzles me is why motorcyclists seem to think they are above the law. When they zoom up behind you, preparing to roar past you, it's almost as if it's their God-given right, even if they're doing over 100mph! Could any 'bikers' please explain this behaviour/attitude? runnergirl
  • Score: 10

1:21pm Mon 20 Jan 14

PortsladePaul says...

runnergirl wrote:
TheDrive wrote:
The Sussex Safer Roads speed awareness course is great and the people running it are doing a good job. I had to attend for driving at 86mph on the A23 and it changed my driving habits. Now I just start my journey ten minutes earlier. There is no legitimate need or excuse for a non emergency vehicle to be speeding, and anyone who thinks otherwise needs a rethink.
Good on you for facing up to your responsibilities on the road and for sharing your experience of the speed awareness course.

I'm sure every driver has broken the speed limit at one time or another. One thing that puzzles me is why motorcyclists seem to think they are above the law. When they zoom up behind you, preparing to roar past you, it's almost as if it's their God-given right, even if they're doing over 100mph! Could any 'bikers' please explain this behaviour/attitude?
Errr.... because we can? ;-)
[quote][p][bold]runnergirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheDrive[/bold] wrote: The Sussex Safer Roads speed awareness course is great and the people running it are doing a good job. I had to attend for driving at 86mph on the A23 and it changed my driving habits. Now I just start my journey ten minutes earlier. There is no legitimate need or excuse for a non emergency vehicle to be speeding, and anyone who thinks otherwise needs a rethink.[/p][/quote]Good on you for facing up to your responsibilities on the road and for sharing your experience of the speed awareness course. I'm sure every driver has broken the speed limit at one time or another. One thing that puzzles me is why motorcyclists seem to think they are above the law. When they zoom up behind you, preparing to roar past you, it's almost as if it's their God-given right, even if they're doing over 100mph! Could any 'bikers' please explain this behaviour/attitude?[/p][/quote]Errr.... because we can? ;-) PortsladePaul
  • Score: 1

1:26pm Mon 20 Jan 14

roystony says...

Richada wrote:
The Prophet of Doom wrote:
No-one caught in and around the 20mph zones then?
Er, no.

The 20mph zones are a total success, all drivers, seeing the need to protect the most vulnerable of our citizen,s are strictly abiding by the local speed limits.
Must be a very small hand full.

20mph is a joke on some roads. Cyclists and runners are traveling faster than cars. Also the cars are letting out more fumes due to being in a higher gear (not very green).
[quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Prophet of Doom[/bold] wrote: No-one caught in and around the 20mph zones then?[/p][/quote]Er, no. The 20mph zones are a total success, all drivers, seeing the need to protect the most vulnerable of our citizen,s are strictly abiding by the local speed limits.[/p][/quote]Must be a very small hand full. 20mph is a joke on some roads. Cyclists and runners are traveling faster than cars. Also the cars are letting out more fumes due to being in a higher gear (not very green). roystony
  • Score: 8

1:34pm Mon 20 Jan 14

TheDrive says...

roystony wrote:
Richada wrote:
The Prophet of Doom wrote:
No-one caught in and around the 20mph zones then?
Er, no.

The 20mph zones are a total success, all drivers, seeing the need to protect the most vulnerable of our citizen,s are strictly abiding by the local speed limits.
Must be a very small hand full.

20mph is a joke on some roads. Cyclists and runners are traveling faster than cars. Also the cars are letting out more fumes due to being in a higher gear (not very green).
I can't wait to see a runner doing over 20mph, so sub 3-minute miles. That would be so amazing. Cars have their lowest emissions/speed ratio between 50 and 55mph, but that doesn't mean we should be driving along the seafront at 55mph mowing down green party members. (can we??)
[quote][p][bold]roystony[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Prophet of Doom[/bold] wrote: No-one caught in and around the 20mph zones then?[/p][/quote]Er, no. The 20mph zones are a total success, all drivers, seeing the need to protect the most vulnerable of our citizen,s are strictly abiding by the local speed limits.[/p][/quote]Must be a very small hand full. 20mph is a joke on some roads. Cyclists and runners are traveling faster than cars. Also the cars are letting out more fumes due to being in a higher gear (not very green).[/p][/quote]I can't wait to see a runner doing over 20mph, so sub 3-minute miles. That would be so amazing. Cars have their lowest emissions/speed ratio between 50 and 55mph, but that doesn't mean we should be driving along the seafront at 55mph mowing down green party members. (can we??) TheDrive
  • Score: 5

1:54pm Mon 20 Jan 14

monkeymoo says...

Richada wrote:
monkeymoo wrote:
One question, i never could understand;

Why are cars made with the capability to break the law in all countries?
Many of the German motorways (where I clock up about 10% of my annual mileage currently) are totally de-restricted, therefore cars do not have the capability to "break the law in all countries".

It is not speed that kills, but drivers inappropriate use of it.

Here we have a driving test that does not include motorway driving, and yet, the day the licence is issued the driver is at liberty to use this type of road.
As you state in your own post...

.'MANY' of the motorways in Germany are unrestricted. This indicates that 'SOME' are not. Therefore:
The cars WOULD be breaking the law in that country, if on those sections of the Autobahn.

Also..

It is advised that vehicles do not travel faster than 130kph (70mph) on the Autobahn.
If they have an accident and are found to be traveling faster than this, they assume ALL liability for the accident!

All vans and lorries ARE restricted to speed limits on ALL Autobahn routes.

So..Your post is slightly incorrect.
My family live in Austria, so i too travel on these roads a lot. :)
[quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]monkeymoo[/bold] wrote: One question, i never could understand; Why are cars made with the capability to break the law in all countries?[/p][/quote]Many of the German motorways (where I clock up about 10% of my annual mileage currently) are totally de-restricted, therefore cars do not have the capability to "break the law in all countries". It is not speed that kills, but drivers inappropriate use of it. Here we have a driving test that does not include motorway driving, and yet, the day the licence is issued the driver is at liberty to use this type of road.[/p][/quote]As you state in your own post... .'MANY' of the motorways in Germany are unrestricted. This indicates that 'SOME' are not. Therefore: The cars WOULD be breaking the law in that country, if on those sections of the Autobahn. Also.. It is advised that vehicles do not travel faster than 130kph (70mph) on the Autobahn. If they have an accident and are found to be traveling faster than this, they assume ALL liability for the accident! All vans and lorries ARE restricted to speed limits on ALL Autobahn routes. So..Your post is slightly incorrect. My family live in Austria, so i too travel on these roads a lot. :) monkeymoo
  • Score: -1

1:55pm Mon 20 Jan 14

monkeymoo says...

Sorry 130 kph is 80 mph...Not 70..like my silly maths brain worked out!
Sorry 130 kph is 80 mph...Not 70..like my silly maths brain worked out! monkeymoo
  • Score: 3

2:07pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Withdean-er says...

Richada wrote:
monkeymoo wrote:
One question, i never could understand;

Why are cars made with the capability to break the law in all countries?
Many of the German motorways (where I clock up about 10% of my annual mileage currently) are totally de-restricted, therefore cars do not have the capability to "break the law in all countries".

It is not speed that kills, but drivers inappropriate use of it.

Here we have a driving test that does not include motorway driving, and yet, the day the licence is issued the driver is at liberty to use this type of road.
Motorways have far fewer accidents & deaths per mile driven, for the obvious reasons: separated from opposing traffic, etc.

The problem lies on all the other roads e.g. countryside A and B roads, where many drivers (and motorbike riders) drive way too fast, overtake when not appropriate, texting or making mobile calls, won't wear specs when short-sighted out of vanity. All illegal and flouted by selfish millions.
[quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]monkeymoo[/bold] wrote: One question, i never could understand; Why are cars made with the capability to break the law in all countries?[/p][/quote]Many of the German motorways (where I clock up about 10% of my annual mileage currently) are totally de-restricted, therefore cars do not have the capability to "break the law in all countries". It is not speed that kills, but drivers inappropriate use of it. Here we have a driving test that does not include motorway driving, and yet, the day the licence is issued the driver is at liberty to use this type of road.[/p][/quote]Motorways have far fewer accidents & deaths per mile driven, for the obvious reasons: separated from opposing traffic, etc. The problem lies on all the other roads e.g. countryside A and B roads, where many drivers (and motorbike riders) drive way too fast, overtake when not appropriate, texting or making mobile calls, won't wear specs when short-sighted out of vanity. All illegal and flouted by selfish millions. Withdean-er
  • Score: 5

3:40pm Mon 20 Jan 14

roystony says...

TheDrive wrote:
roystony wrote:
Richada wrote:
The Prophet of Doom wrote:
No-one caught in and around the 20mph zones then?
Er, no.

The 20mph zones are a total success, all drivers, seeing the need to protect the most vulnerable of our citizen,s are strictly abiding by the local speed limits.
Must be a very small hand full.

20mph is a joke on some roads. Cyclists and runners are traveling faster than cars. Also the cars are letting out more fumes due to being in a higher gear (not very green).
I can't wait to see a runner doing over 20mph, so sub 3-minute miles. That would be so amazing. Cars have their lowest emissions/speed ratio between 50 and 55mph, but that doesn't mean we should be driving along the seafront at 55mph mowing down green party members. (can we??)
20mph sprint.

20mph produces more emissions that 30mph.

55mph that's just silly.
[quote][p][bold]TheDrive[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roystony[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Prophet of Doom[/bold] wrote: No-one caught in and around the 20mph zones then?[/p][/quote]Er, no. The 20mph zones are a total success, all drivers, seeing the need to protect the most vulnerable of our citizen,s are strictly abiding by the local speed limits.[/p][/quote]Must be a very small hand full. 20mph is a joke on some roads. Cyclists and runners are traveling faster than cars. Also the cars are letting out more fumes due to being in a higher gear (not very green).[/p][/quote]I can't wait to see a runner doing over 20mph, so sub 3-minute miles. That would be so amazing. Cars have their lowest emissions/speed ratio between 50 and 55mph, but that doesn't mean we should be driving along the seafront at 55mph mowing down green party members. (can we??)[/p][/quote]20mph sprint. 20mph produces more emissions that 30mph. 55mph that's just silly. roystony
  • Score: 0

4:06pm Mon 20 Jan 14

RottingdeanRant says...

Despite the printed paper’s classic Argus headline the facts are, as quoted towards the end of the article, - “With reference to the average of 140 drivers per day detected speeding in Sussex, you'll appreciate how small that number is in comparison to the vast number of journeys made in Sussex each day.

“The A23 alone carries around 65,000 journeys each day, so contextually, 140 drivers being detected is a minuscule proportion of the total vehicle journeys across the county.”
Despite the printed paper’s classic Argus headline the facts are, as quoted towards the end of the article, - “With reference to the average of 140 drivers per day detected speeding in Sussex, you'll appreciate how small that number is in comparison to the vast number of journeys made in Sussex each day. “The A23 alone carries around 65,000 journeys each day, so contextually, 140 drivers being detected is a minuscule proportion of the total vehicle journeys across the county.” RottingdeanRant
  • Score: 3

4:15pm Mon 20 Jan 14

TheDrive says...

roystony wrote:
TheDrive wrote:
roystony wrote:
Richada wrote:
The Prophet of Doom wrote:
No-one caught in and around the 20mph zones then?
Er, no.

The 20mph zones are a total success, all drivers, seeing the need to protect the most vulnerable of our citizen,s are strictly abiding by the local speed limits.
Must be a very small hand full.

20mph is a joke on some roads. Cyclists and runners are traveling faster than cars. Also the cars are letting out more fumes due to being in a higher gear (not very green).
I can't wait to see a runner doing over 20mph, so sub 3-minute miles. That would be so amazing. Cars have their lowest emissions/speed ratio between 50 and 55mph, but that doesn't mean we should be driving along the seafront at 55mph mowing down green party members. (can we??)
20mph sprint.

20mph produces more emissions that 30mph.

55mph that's just silly.
yes 55mph was silly. but 20mph is not. Brighton is a crowded place with a lot of people milling around. Its an indisputable fact that less people die when hit by cars at 20mph than at 30mph. Even if its one person its worth it.
[quote][p][bold]roystony[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheDrive[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roystony[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Prophet of Doom[/bold] wrote: No-one caught in and around the 20mph zones then?[/p][/quote]Er, no. The 20mph zones are a total success, all drivers, seeing the need to protect the most vulnerable of our citizen,s are strictly abiding by the local speed limits.[/p][/quote]Must be a very small hand full. 20mph is a joke on some roads. Cyclists and runners are traveling faster than cars. Also the cars are letting out more fumes due to being in a higher gear (not very green).[/p][/quote]I can't wait to see a runner doing over 20mph, so sub 3-minute miles. That would be so amazing. Cars have their lowest emissions/speed ratio between 50 and 55mph, but that doesn't mean we should be driving along the seafront at 55mph mowing down green party members. (can we??)[/p][/quote]20mph sprint. 20mph produces more emissions that 30mph. 55mph that's just silly.[/p][/quote]yes 55mph was silly. but 20mph is not. Brighton is a crowded place with a lot of people milling around. Its an indisputable fact that less people die when hit by cars at 20mph than at 30mph. Even if its one person its worth it. TheDrive
  • Score: -2

5:53pm Mon 20 Jan 14

jimpy762 says...

PortsladePaul wrote:
runnergirl wrote:
TheDrive wrote:
The Sussex Safer Roads speed awareness course is great and the people running it are doing a good job. I had to attend for driving at 86mph on the A23 and it changed my driving habits. Now I just start my journey ten minutes earlier. There is no legitimate need or excuse for a non emergency vehicle to be speeding, and anyone who thinks otherwise needs a rethink.
Good on you for facing up to your responsibilities on the road and for sharing your experience of the speed awareness course.

I'm sure every driver has broken the speed limit at one time or another. One thing that puzzles me is why motorcyclists seem to think they are above the law. When they zoom up behind you, preparing to roar past you, it's almost as if it's their God-given right, even if they're doing over 100mph! Could any 'bikers' please explain this behaviour/attitude?
Errr.... because we can? ;-)
Err, because you're probably dawdling along in a world of your own, yapping on the phone and fiddling with your on board gadgets. The reason we suddenly appear is because you're not paying attention and the reason we zoom past is that we like to get as far away from you as quickly as possible before you crash into something and injure us in the process.
One sweeping statement deserves another here I think.
[quote][p][bold]PortsladePaul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]runnergirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheDrive[/bold] wrote: The Sussex Safer Roads speed awareness course is great and the people running it are doing a good job. I had to attend for driving at 86mph on the A23 and it changed my driving habits. Now I just start my journey ten minutes earlier. There is no legitimate need or excuse for a non emergency vehicle to be speeding, and anyone who thinks otherwise needs a rethink.[/p][/quote]Good on you for facing up to your responsibilities on the road and for sharing your experience of the speed awareness course. I'm sure every driver has broken the speed limit at one time or another. One thing that puzzles me is why motorcyclists seem to think they are above the law. When they zoom up behind you, preparing to roar past you, it's almost as if it's their God-given right, even if they're doing over 100mph! Could any 'bikers' please explain this behaviour/attitude?[/p][/quote]Errr.... because we can? ;-)[/p][/quote]Err, because you're probably dawdling along in a world of your own, yapping on the phone and fiddling with your on board gadgets. The reason we suddenly appear is because you're not paying attention and the reason we zoom past is that we like to get as far away from you as quickly as possible before you crash into something and injure us in the process. One sweeping statement deserves another here I think. jimpy762
  • Score: 7

6:12pm Mon 20 Jan 14

jimpy762 says...

jimpy762 wrote:
PortsladePaul wrote:
runnergirl wrote:
TheDrive wrote:
The Sussex Safer Roads speed awareness course is great and the people running it are doing a good job. I had to attend for driving at 86mph on the A23 and it changed my driving habits. Now I just start my journey ten minutes earlier. There is no legitimate need or excuse for a non emergency vehicle to be speeding, and anyone who thinks otherwise needs a rethink.
Good on you for facing up to your responsibilities on the road and for sharing your experience of the speed awareness course.

I'm sure every driver has broken the speed limit at one time or another. One thing that puzzles me is why motorcyclists seem to think they are above the law. When they zoom up behind you, preparing to roar past you, it's almost as if it's their God-given right, even if they're doing over 100mph! Could any 'bikers' please explain this behaviour/attitude?
Errr.... because we can? ;-)
Err, because you're probably dawdling along in a world of your own, yapping on the phone and fiddling with your on board gadgets. The reason we suddenly appear is because you're not paying attention and the reason we zoom past is that we like to get as far away from you as quickly as possible before you crash into something and injure us in the process.
One sweeping statement deserves another here I think.
That's the difference between biking and motoring. Actually driving the car is quite a long way down the list of things to do when behind the wheel. On the bike, that's all we're doing, riding the thing. We know you haven't seen us or even bothered to look, our decision making is happening at a fraction of the speed of yours and we make no apology for making you jump as we come past. Its only our noise that tells you we're actually there, your eyesight, skill and hazard awareness is not to be trusted.
[quote][p][bold]jimpy762[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PortsladePaul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]runnergirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheDrive[/bold] wrote: The Sussex Safer Roads speed awareness course is great and the people running it are doing a good job. I had to attend for driving at 86mph on the A23 and it changed my driving habits. Now I just start my journey ten minutes earlier. There is no legitimate need or excuse for a non emergency vehicle to be speeding, and anyone who thinks otherwise needs a rethink.[/p][/quote]Good on you for facing up to your responsibilities on the road and for sharing your experience of the speed awareness course. I'm sure every driver has broken the speed limit at one time or another. One thing that puzzles me is why motorcyclists seem to think they are above the law. When they zoom up behind you, preparing to roar past you, it's almost as if it's their God-given right, even if they're doing over 100mph! Could any 'bikers' please explain this behaviour/attitude?[/p][/quote]Errr.... because we can? ;-)[/p][/quote]Err, because you're probably dawdling along in a world of your own, yapping on the phone and fiddling with your on board gadgets. The reason we suddenly appear is because you're not paying attention and the reason we zoom past is that we like to get as far away from you as quickly as possible before you crash into something and injure us in the process. One sweeping statement deserves another here I think.[/p][/quote]That's the difference between biking and motoring. Actually driving the car is quite a long way down the list of things to do when behind the wheel. On the bike, that's all we're doing, riding the thing. We know you haven't seen us or even bothered to look, our decision making is happening at a fraction of the speed of yours and we make no apology for making you jump as we come past. Its only our noise that tells you we're actually there, your eyesight, skill and hazard awareness is not to be trusted. jimpy762
  • Score: 9

6:39pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Boloney-marshal says...

Everyone who drives breaks the speed limit at some point in a journey from A-B. If you are behind a driver who is adhering to the speed limit of say 30 MPH, it stresses you out and invites dangerous driving to overtake these Muppets.

I found the headline very patronising as we all do it, and we know we all do it, its a fact of driving life, even the officers booking drivers for speeding do it. These same officers probably use their personal radios whilst driving and answering calls from dispatch, they don't pull over to a safe place.
Everyone who drives breaks the speed limit at some point in a journey from A-B. If you are behind a driver who is adhering to the speed limit of say 30 MPH, it stresses you out and invites dangerous driving to overtake these Muppets. I found the headline very patronising as we all do it, and we know we all do it, its a fact of driving life, even the officers booking drivers for speeding do it. These same officers probably use their personal radios whilst driving and answering calls from dispatch, they don't pull over to a safe place. Boloney-marshal
  • Score: -2

7:50pm Mon 20 Jan 14

TheDrive says...

Boloney-marshal wrote:
Everyone who drives breaks the speed limit at some point in a journey from A-B. If you are behind a driver who is adhering to the speed limit of say 30 MPH, it stresses you out and invites dangerous driving to overtake these Muppets.

I found the headline very patronising as we all do it, and we know we all do it, its a fact of driving life, even the officers booking drivers for speeding do it. These same officers probably use their personal radios whilst driving and answering calls from dispatch, they don't pull over to a safe place.
So are you saying that you think driving over the speed limit is an ok thing to do? If you are suffering stress because the person in front of you is driving at the speed limit then maybe you just need to allow a little more time, enjoy the journey and arrive feeling relaxed (and safe)
[quote][p][bold]Boloney-marshal[/bold] wrote: Everyone who drives breaks the speed limit at some point in a journey from A-B. If you are behind a driver who is adhering to the speed limit of say 30 MPH, it stresses you out and invites dangerous driving to overtake these Muppets. I found the headline very patronising as we all do it, and we know we all do it, its a fact of driving life, even the officers booking drivers for speeding do it. These same officers probably use their personal radios whilst driving and answering calls from dispatch, they don't pull over to a safe place.[/p][/quote]So are you saying that you think driving over the speed limit is an ok thing to do? If you are suffering stress because the person in front of you is driving at the speed limit then maybe you just need to allow a little more time, enjoy the journey and arrive feeling relaxed (and safe) TheDrive
  • Score: 2

9:21pm Mon 20 Jan 14

To baldly go says...

TheDrive wrote:
Boloney-marshal wrote:
Everyone who drives breaks the speed limit at some point in a journey from A-B. If you are behind a driver who is adhering to the speed limit of say 30 MPH, it stresses you out and invites dangerous driving to overtake these Muppets.

I found the headline very patronising as we all do it, and we know we all do it, its a fact of driving life, even the officers booking drivers for speeding do it. These same officers probably use their personal radios whilst driving and answering calls from dispatch, they don't pull over to a safe place.
So are you saying that you think driving over the speed limit is an ok thing to do? If you are suffering stress because the person in front of you is driving at the speed limit then maybe you just need to allow a little more time, enjoy the journey and arrive feeling relaxed (and safe)
Like B-M wrote, EVERYONE breaks the speed limit and they know they do, police, ambulance, firemen all with experience of seeing what the reprocussions of speeding causes, but they still do it.
For the Sunday motorcyclists it's a drug, I used to own a Yamaha r1 then a honda fireblade, and rode with a group of men, all who have families and respectable jobs, at first 100mph was exciting, then it was 120 then 140 until it got to the point where we would be doing 170+ regularly! not the most sensible thing to be doing but it was like a drug and we needed the speed to get that fix, been there done it, fortunately got away with it (crashing or getting caught) and now don't need it.
There is nothing more frustrating for most drivers being stuck behind someone doing 28/30mph in a 30mph zone with nothing in front of them but everyone queuing up behind them, go with the flow and no one gets frustrated and it's probably safer because of that fact.
140 speeders a day in sussex, extremely low figures imo, hardly staggering figures as the argus suggests, quite the opposite.
On the 20mph debate, drive down trafalger road in portslade where it's 20mph, turn into St. Peter's road where theres a school and it's 30mph! Clever old greens can't even get that right.
[quote][p][bold]TheDrive[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Boloney-marshal[/bold] wrote: Everyone who drives breaks the speed limit at some point in a journey from A-B. If you are behind a driver who is adhering to the speed limit of say 30 MPH, it stresses you out and invites dangerous driving to overtake these Muppets. I found the headline very patronising as we all do it, and we know we all do it, its a fact of driving life, even the officers booking drivers for speeding do it. These same officers probably use their personal radios whilst driving and answering calls from dispatch, they don't pull over to a safe place.[/p][/quote]So are you saying that you think driving over the speed limit is an ok thing to do? If you are suffering stress because the person in front of you is driving at the speed limit then maybe you just need to allow a little more time, enjoy the journey and arrive feeling relaxed (and safe)[/p][/quote]Like B-M wrote, EVERYONE breaks the speed limit and they know they do, police, ambulance, firemen all with experience of seeing what the reprocussions of speeding causes, but they still do it. For the Sunday motorcyclists it's a drug, I used to own a Yamaha r1 then a honda fireblade, and rode with a group of men, all who have families and respectable jobs, at first 100mph was exciting, then it was 120 then 140 until it got to the point where we would be doing 170+ regularly! not the most sensible thing to be doing but it was like a drug and we needed the speed to get that fix, been there done it, fortunately got away with it (crashing or getting caught) and now don't need it. There is nothing more frustrating for most drivers being stuck behind someone doing 28/30mph in a 30mph zone with nothing in front of them but everyone queuing up behind them, go with the flow and no one gets frustrated and it's probably safer because of that fact. 140 speeders a day in sussex, extremely low figures imo, hardly staggering figures as the argus suggests, quite the opposite. On the 20mph debate, drive down trafalger road in portslade where it's 20mph, turn into St. Peter's road where theres a school and it's 30mph! Clever old greens can't even get that right. To baldly go
  • Score: 4

10:13pm Mon 20 Jan 14

FatherTed11 says...

TheDrive wrote:
roystony wrote:
TheDrive wrote:
roystony wrote:
Richada wrote:
The Prophet of Doom wrote:
No-one caught in and around the 20mph zones then?
Er, no.

The 20mph zones are a total success, all drivers, seeing the need to protect the most vulnerable of our citizen,s are strictly abiding by the local speed limits.
Must be a very small hand full.

20mph is a joke on some roads. Cyclists and runners are traveling faster than cars. Also the cars are letting out more fumes due to being in a higher gear (not very green).
I can't wait to see a runner doing over 20mph, so sub 3-minute miles. That would be so amazing. Cars have their lowest emissions/speed ratio between 50 and 55mph, but that doesn't mean we should be driving along the seafront at 55mph mowing down green party members. (can we??)
20mph sprint.

20mph produces more emissions that 30mph.

55mph that's just silly.
yes 55mph was silly. but 20mph is not. Brighton is a crowded place with a lot of people milling around. Its an indisputable fact that less people die when hit by cars at 20mph than at 30mph. Even if its one person its worth it.
So other than major roads, the whole of Brighton should be 20mph because there are 'a lot of people milling around' ?!

If they are 'milling around' in the roads, they should go on a course for pedestrians.
[quote][p][bold]TheDrive[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roystony[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheDrive[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roystony[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Prophet of Doom[/bold] wrote: No-one caught in and around the 20mph zones then?[/p][/quote]Er, no. The 20mph zones are a total success, all drivers, seeing the need to protect the most vulnerable of our citizen,s are strictly abiding by the local speed limits.[/p][/quote]Must be a very small hand full. 20mph is a joke on some roads. Cyclists and runners are traveling faster than cars. Also the cars are letting out more fumes due to being in a higher gear (not very green).[/p][/quote]I can't wait to see a runner doing over 20mph, so sub 3-minute miles. That would be so amazing. Cars have their lowest emissions/speed ratio between 50 and 55mph, but that doesn't mean we should be driving along the seafront at 55mph mowing down green party members. (can we??)[/p][/quote]20mph sprint. 20mph produces more emissions that 30mph. 55mph that's just silly.[/p][/quote]yes 55mph was silly. but 20mph is not. Brighton is a crowded place with a lot of people milling around. Its an indisputable fact that less people die when hit by cars at 20mph than at 30mph. Even if its one person its worth it.[/p][/quote]So other than major roads, the whole of Brighton should be 20mph because there are 'a lot of people milling around' ?! If they are 'milling around' in the roads, they should go on a course for pedestrians. FatherTed11
  • Score: 1

10:31pm Mon 20 Jan 14

TheDrive says...

FatherTed11 wrote:
TheDrive wrote:
roystony wrote:
TheDrive wrote:
roystony wrote:
Richada wrote:
The Prophet of Doom wrote:
No-one caught in and around the 20mph zones then?
Er, no.

The 20mph zones are a total success, all drivers, seeing the need to protect the most vulnerable of our citizen,s are strictly abiding by the local speed limits.
Must be a very small hand full.

20mph is a joke on some roads. Cyclists and runners are traveling faster than cars. Also the cars are letting out more fumes due to being in a higher gear (not very green).
I can't wait to see a runner doing over 20mph, so sub 3-minute miles. That would be so amazing. Cars have their lowest emissions/speed ratio between 50 and 55mph, but that doesn't mean we should be driving along the seafront at 55mph mowing down green party members. (can we??)
20mph sprint.

20mph produces more emissions that 30mph.

55mph that's just silly.
yes 55mph was silly. but 20mph is not. Brighton is a crowded place with a lot of people milling around. Its an indisputable fact that less people die when hit by cars at 20mph than at 30mph. Even if its one person its worth it.
So other than major roads, the whole of Brighton should be 20mph because there are 'a lot of people milling around' ?!

If they are 'milling around' in the roads, they should go on a course for pedestrians.
Well if statistics show there will be less serious injuries and less fatalities, then it's obviously a positive scheme to introduce. Where there are lots of people they are sometimes going to wander into areas they shouldn't and not always pay attention when crossing - that's just a fact of life, especially with children. Just like people will sometimes bump into each other when walking around the town.
I use my car a lot in the centre of town, and I'd love to be able to get around faster. But I can l put up with going slowly because other peoples safety as well as my own is more important. It's not exactly a difficult concept to get into.
[quote][p][bold]FatherTed11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheDrive[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roystony[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheDrive[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roystony[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Prophet of Doom[/bold] wrote: No-one caught in and around the 20mph zones then?[/p][/quote]Er, no. The 20mph zones are a total success, all drivers, seeing the need to protect the most vulnerable of our citizen,s are strictly abiding by the local speed limits.[/p][/quote]Must be a very small hand full. 20mph is a joke on some roads. Cyclists and runners are traveling faster than cars. Also the cars are letting out more fumes due to being in a higher gear (not very green).[/p][/quote]I can't wait to see a runner doing over 20mph, so sub 3-minute miles. That would be so amazing. Cars have their lowest emissions/speed ratio between 50 and 55mph, but that doesn't mean we should be driving along the seafront at 55mph mowing down green party members. (can we??)[/p][/quote]20mph sprint. 20mph produces more emissions that 30mph. 55mph that's just silly.[/p][/quote]yes 55mph was silly. but 20mph is not. Brighton is a crowded place with a lot of people milling around. Its an indisputable fact that less people die when hit by cars at 20mph than at 30mph. Even if its one person its worth it.[/p][/quote]So other than major roads, the whole of Brighton should be 20mph because there are 'a lot of people milling around' ?! If they are 'milling around' in the roads, they should go on a course for pedestrians.[/p][/quote]Well if statistics show there will be less serious injuries and less fatalities, then it's obviously a positive scheme to introduce. Where there are lots of people they are sometimes going to wander into areas they shouldn't and not always pay attention when crossing - that's just a fact of life, especially with children. Just like people will sometimes bump into each other when walking around the town. I use my car a lot in the centre of town, and I'd love to be able to get around faster. But I can l put up with going slowly because other peoples safety as well as my own is more important. It's not exactly a difficult concept to get into. TheDrive
  • Score: 1

9:04am Tue 21 Jan 14

gheese77 says...

Boloney-marshal wrote:
Everyone who drives breaks the speed limit at some point in a journey from A-B. If you are behind a driver who is adhering to the speed limit of say 30 MPH, it stresses you out and invites dangerous driving to overtake these Muppets.

I found the headline very patronising as we all do it, and we know we all do it, its a fact of driving life, even the officers booking drivers for speeding do it. These same officers probably use their personal radios whilst driving and answering calls from dispatch, they don't pull over to a safe place.
In my view drivers who become 'stressed out' because they are following 'a muppet' who is obeying the traffic laws are not safe to be on the road and need to be caught and banned / retrained If you want to drive fast go to a race track where they won't endanger anyone else with their idiotic driving
[quote][p][bold]Boloney-marshal[/bold] wrote: Everyone who drives breaks the speed limit at some point in a journey from A-B. If you are behind a driver who is adhering to the speed limit of say 30 MPH, it stresses you out and invites dangerous driving to overtake these Muppets. I found the headline very patronising as we all do it, and we know we all do it, its a fact of driving life, even the officers booking drivers for speeding do it. These same officers probably use their personal radios whilst driving and answering calls from dispatch, they don't pull over to a safe place.[/p][/quote]In my view drivers who become 'stressed out' because they are following 'a muppet' who is obeying the traffic laws are not safe to be on the road and need to be caught and banned / retrained If you want to drive fast go to a race track where they won't endanger anyone else with their idiotic driving gheese77
  • Score: 0

9:11am Tue 21 Jan 14

TheDrive says...

gheese77 wrote:
Boloney-marshal wrote:
Everyone who drives breaks the speed limit at some point in a journey from A-B. If you are behind a driver who is adhering to the speed limit of say 30 MPH, it stresses you out and invites dangerous driving to overtake these Muppets.

I found the headline very patronising as we all do it, and we know we all do it, its a fact of driving life, even the officers booking drivers for speeding do it. These same officers probably use their personal radios whilst driving and answering calls from dispatch, they don't pull over to a safe place.
In my view drivers who become 'stressed out' because they are following 'a muppet' who is obeying the traffic laws are not safe to be on the road and need to be caught and banned / retrained If you want to drive fast go to a race track where they won't endanger anyone else with their idiotic driving
I don't think people need banning but a bit of awareness and retraining like the Sussex Safer Roads Partnership course is a positive step. If it changed my driving approach it would do for most people. Of course that could just be because I'm getting older too ;)
[quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Boloney-marshal[/bold] wrote: Everyone who drives breaks the speed limit at some point in a journey from A-B. If you are behind a driver who is adhering to the speed limit of say 30 MPH, it stresses you out and invites dangerous driving to overtake these Muppets. I found the headline very patronising as we all do it, and we know we all do it, its a fact of driving life, even the officers booking drivers for speeding do it. These same officers probably use their personal radios whilst driving and answering calls from dispatch, they don't pull over to a safe place.[/p][/quote]In my view drivers who become 'stressed out' because they are following 'a muppet' who is obeying the traffic laws are not safe to be on the road and need to be caught and banned / retrained If you want to drive fast go to a race track where they won't endanger anyone else with their idiotic driving[/p][/quote]I don't think people need banning but a bit of awareness and retraining like the Sussex Safer Roads Partnership course is a positive step. If it changed my driving approach it would do for most people. Of course that could just be because I'm getting older too ;) TheDrive
  • Score: 1

9:55am Tue 21 Jan 14

voiceofthescoombe says...

Motorists not obeying the law on the road I''m shocked and horrified as a cyclist I always saw motorists as paragons of virtue.
As the argus letters always told me they were so much more law abiding than mere cyclists
Motorists not obeying the law on the road I''m shocked and horrified as a cyclist I always saw motorists as paragons of virtue. As the argus letters always told me they were so much more law abiding than mere cyclists voiceofthescoombe
  • Score: -3

11:12am Tue 21 Jan 14

Arc/Weld says...

In all fairness some Sussex drivers are among the worst I've ever come across.
In all fairness some Sussex drivers are among the worst I've ever come across. Arc/Weld
  • Score: -1

6:19pm Tue 21 Jan 14

DCCCCCC says...

What I find so frustrating is that hardly anyone seems to use their indicators anymore. What is it with people? It's happening all the time, no one is using their indicators!
What I find so frustrating is that hardly anyone seems to use their indicators anymore. What is it with people? It's happening all the time, no one is using their indicators! DCCCCCC
  • Score: 2

7:01pm Tue 21 Jan 14

To baldly go says...

voiceofthescoombe wrote:
Motorists not obeying the law on the road I''m shocked and horrified as a cyclist I always saw motorists as paragons of virtue.
As the argus letters always told me they were so much more law abiding than mere cyclists
For every motorist not obeying the law I see 2 cyclists also breaking the law, no Lights, ignoring red lights, riding on paths, riding the wrong way up one way streets, ON A MOBILE PHONE! Head phones on so they can't even here you sound your horn as they try and kill themselves under your car.
They should have insurance, wear crash helmets, wear hi-vis clothing, working lights and have a chip inserted in the frame that triggers traffic lights when they jump them and sends them a fine in the post.
For the amount of drivers on the road and how many are bad, % wise, cyclists are a **** site worse!
[quote][p][bold]voiceofthescoombe[/bold] wrote: Motorists not obeying the law on the road I''m shocked and horrified as a cyclist I always saw motorists as paragons of virtue. As the argus letters always told me they were so much more law abiding than mere cyclists[/p][/quote]For every motorist not obeying the law I see 2 cyclists also breaking the law, no Lights, ignoring red lights, riding on paths, riding the wrong way up one way streets, ON A MOBILE PHONE! Head phones on so they can't even here you sound your horn as they try and kill themselves under your car. They should have insurance, wear crash helmets, wear hi-vis clothing, working lights and have a chip inserted in the frame that triggers traffic lights when they jump them and sends them a fine in the post. For the amount of drivers on the road and how many are bad, % wise, cyclists are a **** site worse! To baldly go
  • Score: 3

7:04am Wed 22 Jan 14

Gribbet says...

To baldly go wrote:
voiceofthescoombe wrote:
Motorists not obeying the law on the road I''m shocked and horrified as a cyclist I always saw motorists as paragons of virtue.
As the argus letters always told me they were so much more law abiding than mere cyclists
For every motorist not obeying the law I see 2 cyclists also breaking the law, no Lights, ignoring red lights, riding on paths, riding the wrong way up one way streets, ON A MOBILE PHONE! Head phones on so they can't even here you sound your horn as they try and kill themselves under your car.
They should have insurance, wear crash helmets, wear hi-vis clothing, working lights and have a chip inserted in the frame that triggers traffic lights when they jump them and sends them a fine in the post.
For the amount of drivers on the road and how many are bad, % wise, cyclists are a **** site worse!
I think you just got baited there.
[quote][p][bold]To baldly go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]voiceofthescoombe[/bold] wrote: Motorists not obeying the law on the road I''m shocked and horrified as a cyclist I always saw motorists as paragons of virtue. As the argus letters always told me they were so much more law abiding than mere cyclists[/p][/quote]For every motorist not obeying the law I see 2 cyclists also breaking the law, no Lights, ignoring red lights, riding on paths, riding the wrong way up one way streets, ON A MOBILE PHONE! Head phones on so they can't even here you sound your horn as they try and kill themselves under your car. They should have insurance, wear crash helmets, wear hi-vis clothing, working lights and have a chip inserted in the frame that triggers traffic lights when they jump them and sends them a fine in the post. For the amount of drivers on the road and how many are bad, % wise, cyclists are a **** site worse![/p][/quote]I think you just got baited there. Gribbet
  • Score: 2

7:47pm Fri 7 Feb 14

76robmac says...

If the police speed gun was used in woodingdean they would catch speeding drivers every two minutes
If the police speed gun was used in woodingdean they would catch speeding drivers every two minutes 76robmac
  • Score: -1

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