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Sussex council staff hold pay protests

The Argus: Unison members in Brighton Unison members in Brighton

UPDATE: Dozens of council workers staged lunchtime protests over pay.

Union members at Brighton and Hove and Adur and Worthing councils gathered outside their offices to campaign for higher pay.

Members of the Unison, Unite and GMB unions complained that they are struggling to survive on their wages.

Denise Knutsen, Unison convener at Brighton and Hove City Council, said: “We had about 20 to 25 people taking part.

“We are on a national pay scale and it is lagging behind by something like 4% because we haven't had pay rises for so long.

“Our pay doesn't change but the cost of everything else keeps going up.”

Adur and Worthing Unison steward Lee Billingham said: “We had staff taking part at council sites across Adur and Worthing and a protest at Worthing Town Hall.

“For us it has been about pay.

“We don't know what cuts there are to come for Adur and Worthing yet but like a lot of people we have been suffering from a pay freeze for four years, which has effectively cut our pay in real terms by 18%.”

Scores of demonstrations took place across Britain yesterday as the unions claimed one million government workers earn less than £7.65 an hour.

Brian Strutton, national officer of the GMB union, said many of those are women in part-time jobs, having to suffer the "indignity" of claiming in-work benefits.

"How can it be that in 21st century Britain, public service workers must rely on state handouts?

"We are talking about frontline workers who serve our communities day in, day out. They work as street sweepers, social workers, classroom assistants, housing officers, cleaners and dinner ladies.”

Fiona Farmer, Unite national officer, said: "Britain's shrinking wages crisis means workers need a pay rise - none more so than the country's million-plus low-paid local government workers who are struggling to make ends meet after an 18% real pay cut since 2010."

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11:01am Tue 4 Feb 14

s_james says...

Quite right too. Local government pay has in fact been falling in real terms for much longer than that. During the boom years under Labour pay rises were restricted to below inflation levels by Gordon Brown supposedly to “control inflation” at a time when the private sector was generally enjoying 3% + rises. I have no idea when local government received a pay settlement that wasn’t a real terms cut – at least 9 or 10 years ago I would think.
Quite right too. Local government pay has in fact been falling in real terms for much longer than that. During the boom years under Labour pay rises were restricted to below inflation levels by Gordon Brown supposedly to “control inflation” at a time when the private sector was generally enjoying 3% + rises. I have no idea when local government received a pay settlement that wasn’t a real terms cut – at least 9 or 10 years ago I would think. s_james
  • Score: 1

12:46pm Tue 4 Feb 14

Tailgaters Anonymous says...

Can't remember when I last had a pay rise but certainly have witnessed no reduction in Council Tax!
Who's kidding who?
Can't remember when I last had a pay rise but certainly have witnessed no reduction in Council Tax! Who's kidding who? Tailgaters Anonymous
  • Score: 12

1:07pm Tue 4 Feb 14

Worthing Al says...

Tailgaters Anonymous wrote:
Can't remember when I last had a pay rise but certainly have witnessed no reduction in Council Tax!
Who's kidding who?
Do some research before spouting rubbish. The reason Council Tax keeps increasing is that Central Government keep giving Councils less.
Perhaps if MPs started cutting their own big departments, spent less on fancy pens and allowances and cut their subsidised catering and bar, they could give Councils more.
And do we really still need 600+ MPs in this modern day and age? When was the last time that was cut?
[quote][p][bold]Tailgaters Anonymous[/bold] wrote: Can't remember when I last had a pay rise but certainly have witnessed no reduction in Council Tax! Who's kidding who?[/p][/quote]Do some research before spouting rubbish. The reason Council Tax keeps increasing is that Central Government keep giving Councils less. Perhaps if MPs started cutting their own big departments, spent less on fancy pens and allowances and cut their subsidised catering and bar, they could give Councils more. And do we really still need 600+ MPs in this modern day and age? When was the last time that was cut? Worthing Al
  • Score: 1

4:00pm Tue 4 Feb 14

jimpy762 says...

Don't notice any of these constant graspers getting any better at their jobs. Any time I have to deal with them I find them thoroughly unhelpful. If I carried on like that I'd get the sack not a pay rise.. Welcome to the real world of getting what you deserve.
Don't notice any of these constant graspers getting any better at their jobs. Any time I have to deal with them I find them thoroughly unhelpful. If I carried on like that I'd get the sack not a pay rise.. Welcome to the real world of getting what you deserve. jimpy762
  • Score: -6

6:59pm Tue 4 Feb 14

ourcoalition says...

jimpy762 wrote:
Don't notice any of these constant graspers getting any better at their jobs. Any time I have to deal with them I find them thoroughly unhelpful. If I carried on like that I'd get the sack not a pay rise.. Welcome to the real world of getting what you deserve.
Yup, what a sensible and helpful comment - perhaps you could say it to the "graspers" who are Home Carers, noise patrol, residential workers, teaching assistants and so on. All on low wages, and expecting that "gold plated pension", so beloved of Eric Pickles, of £4,000 average per year.
[quote][p][bold]jimpy762[/bold] wrote: Don't notice any of these constant graspers getting any better at their jobs. Any time I have to deal with them I find them thoroughly unhelpful. If I carried on like that I'd get the sack not a pay rise.. Welcome to the real world of getting what you deserve.[/p][/quote]Yup, what a sensible and helpful comment - perhaps you could say it to the "graspers" who are Home Carers, noise patrol, residential workers, teaching assistants and so on. All on low wages, and expecting that "gold plated pension", so beloved of Eric Pickles, of £4,000 average per year. ourcoalition
  • Score: 5

7:08pm Tue 4 Feb 14

Can this be says...

Worthing Al wrote:
Tailgaters Anonymous wrote:
Can't remember when I last had a pay rise but certainly have witnessed no reduction in Council Tax!
Who's kidding who?
Do some research before spouting rubbish. The reason Council Tax keeps increasing is that Central Government keep giving Councils less.
Perhaps if MPs started cutting their own big departments, spent less on fancy pens and allowances and cut their subsidised catering and bar, they could give Councils more.
And do we really still need 600+ MPs in this modern day and age? When was the last time that was cut?
It is not just the 650 odd of Westminster MPs who need culling. In relatively recent years we have added MEPS, Scottish MPs, Welsh MPs, and there are the non-Westminster ones in Northern Ireland. If you add them all together the 650 increases to just over 1,000 the last time I counted.

I try not to think about how many local councillors there are.
[quote][p][bold]Worthing Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tailgaters Anonymous[/bold] wrote: Can't remember when I last had a pay rise but certainly have witnessed no reduction in Council Tax! Who's kidding who?[/p][/quote]Do some research before spouting rubbish. The reason Council Tax keeps increasing is that Central Government keep giving Councils less. Perhaps if MPs started cutting their own big departments, spent less on fancy pens and allowances and cut their subsidised catering and bar, they could give Councils more. And do we really still need 600+ MPs in this modern day and age? When was the last time that was cut?[/p][/quote]It is not just the 650 odd of Westminster MPs who need culling. In relatively recent years we have added MEPS, Scottish MPs, Welsh MPs, and there are the non-Westminster ones in Northern Ireland. If you add them all together the 650 increases to just over 1,000 the last time I counted. I try not to think about how many local councillors there are. Can this be
  • Score: 6

7:19pm Tue 4 Feb 14

JHunty says...

ourcoalition wrote:
jimpy762 wrote:
Don't notice any of these constant graspers getting any better at their jobs. Any time I have to deal with them I find them thoroughly unhelpful. If I carried on like that I'd get the sack not a pay rise.. Welcome to the real world of getting what you deserve.
Yup, what a sensible and helpful comment - perhaps you could say it to the "graspers" who are Home Carers, noise patrol, residential workers, teaching assistants and so on. All on low wages, and expecting that "gold plated pension", so beloved of Eric Pickles, of £4,000 average per year.
Yeah being a Union rep is where the gold plated pensions come into it.
[quote][p][bold]ourcoalition[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jimpy762[/bold] wrote: Don't notice any of these constant graspers getting any better at their jobs. Any time I have to deal with them I find them thoroughly unhelpful. If I carried on like that I'd get the sack not a pay rise.. Welcome to the real world of getting what you deserve.[/p][/quote]Yup, what a sensible and helpful comment - perhaps you could say it to the "graspers" who are Home Carers, noise patrol, residential workers, teaching assistants and so on. All on low wages, and expecting that "gold plated pension", so beloved of Eric Pickles, of £4,000 average per year.[/p][/quote]Yeah being a Union rep is where the gold plated pensions come into it. JHunty
  • Score: 7

8:00pm Tue 4 Feb 14

HJarrs says...

Our public servants have been treat disgracefully by Labour when in office and much so by the Nasty Party. They have been vilified and wages have been cut despite delivering more for less. It has been very sad to see the Conservatives skillfully turn one group against another and blame foreigners, those on benefits, public sector workers etc for our woes. Non of these groups sold dodgy mortgages, ran businesses into the ground to guzzle the profits, stole pensions, fiddled insurance payments, nor dealt in derivatives.
Our public servants have been treat disgracefully by Labour when in office and much so by the Nasty Party. They have been vilified and wages have been cut despite delivering more for less. It has been very sad to see the Conservatives skillfully turn one group against another and blame foreigners, those on benefits, public sector workers etc for our woes. Non of these groups sold dodgy mortgages, ran businesses into the ground to guzzle the profits, stole pensions, fiddled insurance payments, nor dealt in derivatives. HJarrs
  • Score: -4

9:20pm Tue 4 Feb 14

Ambo Guy says...

HJarrs wrote:
Our public servants have been treat disgracefully by Labour when in office and much so by the Nasty Party. They have been vilified and wages have been cut despite delivering more for less. It has been very sad to see the Conservatives skillfully turn one group against another and blame foreigners, those on benefits, public sector workers etc for our woes. Non of these groups sold dodgy mortgages, ran businesses into the ground to guzzle the profits, stole pensions, fiddled insurance payments, nor dealt in derivatives.
Ummm and by the Greens too.

Even you with your ridiculously short sighted views would have to agree with that.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Our public servants have been treat disgracefully by Labour when in office and much so by the Nasty Party. They have been vilified and wages have been cut despite delivering more for less. It has been very sad to see the Conservatives skillfully turn one group against another and blame foreigners, those on benefits, public sector workers etc for our woes. Non of these groups sold dodgy mortgages, ran businesses into the ground to guzzle the profits, stole pensions, fiddled insurance payments, nor dealt in derivatives.[/p][/quote]Ummm and by the Greens too. Even you with your ridiculously short sighted views would have to agree with that. Ambo Guy
  • Score: 5

9:34pm Tue 4 Feb 14

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! says...

HJarrs wrote:
Our public servants have been treat disgracefully by Labour when in office and much so by the Nasty Party. They have been vilified and wages have been cut despite delivering more for less. It has been very sad to see the Conservatives skillfully turn one group against another and blame foreigners, those on benefits, public sector workers etc for our woes. Non of these groups sold dodgy mortgages, ran businesses into the ground to guzzle the profits, stole pensions, fiddled insurance payments, nor dealt in derivatives.
HJ

You told me we should stick to core Green spin, why are you going off piste? Is that the new Green strategy?

Spin to win!
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Our public servants have been treat disgracefully by Labour when in office and much so by the Nasty Party. They have been vilified and wages have been cut despite delivering more for less. It has been very sad to see the Conservatives skillfully turn one group against another and blame foreigners, those on benefits, public sector workers etc for our woes. Non of these groups sold dodgy mortgages, ran businesses into the ground to guzzle the profits, stole pensions, fiddled insurance payments, nor dealt in derivatives.[/p][/quote]HJ You told me we should stick to core Green spin, why are you going off piste? Is that the new Green strategy? Spin to win! I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars!
  • Score: -2

9:59pm Tue 4 Feb 14

ourcoalition says...

JHunty wrote:
ourcoalition wrote:
jimpy762 wrote:
Don't notice any of these constant graspers getting any better at their jobs. Any time I have to deal with them I find them thoroughly unhelpful. If I carried on like that I'd get the sack not a pay rise.. Welcome to the real world of getting what you deserve.
Yup, what a sensible and helpful comment - perhaps you could say it to the "graspers" who are Home Carers, noise patrol, residential workers, teaching assistants and so on. All on low wages, and expecting that "gold plated pension", so beloved of Eric Pickles, of £4,000 average per year.
Yeah being a Union rep is where the gold plated pensions come into it.
Sometimes I think you must be Confucius2 in disguise - some of his sayings are deep, but yours are so deep they have sunk.....

What does "being a Union rep" have to do with it? I am, of course, but obviously not a very bright one (memo to self - take up a philosophy course).
[quote][p][bold]JHunty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ourcoalition[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jimpy762[/bold] wrote: Don't notice any of these constant graspers getting any better at their jobs. Any time I have to deal with them I find them thoroughly unhelpful. If I carried on like that I'd get the sack not a pay rise.. Welcome to the real world of getting what you deserve.[/p][/quote]Yup, what a sensible and helpful comment - perhaps you could say it to the "graspers" who are Home Carers, noise patrol, residential workers, teaching assistants and so on. All on low wages, and expecting that "gold plated pension", so beloved of Eric Pickles, of £4,000 average per year.[/p][/quote]Yeah being a Union rep is where the gold plated pensions come into it.[/p][/quote]Sometimes I think you must be Confucius2 in disguise - some of his sayings are deep, but yours are so deep they have sunk..... What does "being a Union rep" have to do with it? I am, of course, but obviously not a very bright one (memo to self - take up a philosophy course). ourcoalition
  • Score: 1

10:31pm Tue 4 Feb 14

NickBtn says...

"20 to 25 people took part". Said the union official. Such a small number don't think that it would be hard to get an accurate figure!

Is this really news? Such a small percentage of those that work for the council.... Why so few? We've all suffered in this recession - with actual pay cuts as well as these pay freezes. Yet council tax keeps going up by more than wages in real terms.
"20 to 25 people took part". Said the union official. Such a small number don't think that it would be hard to get an accurate figure! Is this really news? Such a small percentage of those that work for the council.... Why so few? We've all suffered in this recession - with actual pay cuts as well as these pay freezes. Yet council tax keeps going up by more than wages in real terms. NickBtn
  • Score: 1

10:57pm Tue 4 Feb 14

ourcoalition says...

NickBtn wrote:
"20 to 25 people took part". Said the union official. Such a small number don't think that it would be hard to get an accurate figure!

Is this really news? Such a small percentage of those that work for the council.... Why so few? We've all suffered in this recession - with actual pay cuts as well as these pay freezes. Yet council tax keeps going up by more than wages in real terms.
Simply because it was not a strike, but a brief demonstration, repeated across the country. The object was to raise the issue, not disrupt services.

And Council staff pay Council Tax as well!!!
[quote][p][bold]NickBtn[/bold] wrote: "20 to 25 people took part". Said the union official. Such a small number don't think that it would be hard to get an accurate figure! Is this really news? Such a small percentage of those that work for the council.... Why so few? We've all suffered in this recession - with actual pay cuts as well as these pay freezes. Yet council tax keeps going up by more than wages in real terms.[/p][/quote]Simply because it was not a strike, but a brief demonstration, repeated across the country. The object was to raise the issue, not disrupt services. And Council staff pay Council Tax as well!!! ourcoalition
  • Score: 2

11:34pm Tue 4 Feb 14

fredaj says...

ourcoalition wrote:
jimpy762 wrote:
Don't notice any of these constant graspers getting any better at their jobs. Any time I have to deal with them I find them thoroughly unhelpful. If I carried on like that I'd get the sack not a pay rise.. Welcome to the real world of getting what you deserve.
Yup, what a sensible and helpful comment - perhaps you could say it to the "graspers" who are Home Carers, noise patrol, residential workers, teaching assistants and so on. All on low wages, and expecting that "gold plated pension", so beloved of Eric Pickles, of £4,000 average per year.
A £4000 pension that IS gold plated because it will be index linked and include full widow/widowers benefits. It would therefore cost well in excess of £100,000 for a non state worker to purchase a pension approaching that value.

And that's a pension that someone on a low wage gets!

The shame of this is that some people just don't seem to appreciate what they have.
[quote][p][bold]ourcoalition[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jimpy762[/bold] wrote: Don't notice any of these constant graspers getting any better at their jobs. Any time I have to deal with them I find them thoroughly unhelpful. If I carried on like that I'd get the sack not a pay rise.. Welcome to the real world of getting what you deserve.[/p][/quote]Yup, what a sensible and helpful comment - perhaps you could say it to the "graspers" who are Home Carers, noise patrol, residential workers, teaching assistants and so on. All on low wages, and expecting that "gold plated pension", so beloved of Eric Pickles, of £4,000 average per year.[/p][/quote]A £4000 pension that IS gold plated because it will be index linked and include full widow/widowers benefits. It would therefore cost well in excess of £100,000 for a non state worker to purchase a pension approaching that value. And that's a pension that someone on a low wage gets! The shame of this is that some people just don't seem to appreciate what they have. fredaj
  • Score: 1

11:40pm Tue 4 Feb 14

fredaj says...

HJarrs wrote:
Our public servants have been treat disgracefully by Labour when in office and much so by the Nasty Party. They have been vilified and wages have been cut despite delivering more for less. It has been very sad to see the Conservatives skillfully turn one group against another and blame foreigners, those on benefits, public sector workers etc for our woes. Non of these groups sold dodgy mortgages, ran businesses into the ground to guzzle the profits, stole pensions, fiddled insurance payments, nor dealt in derivatives.
Neither did the people who work in the private sector and who pay the wages of those in the public sector and cover the cost of the benefits bill but your heart doesn't seem to be bleeding for them.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Our public servants have been treat disgracefully by Labour when in office and much so by the Nasty Party. They have been vilified and wages have been cut despite delivering more for less. It has been very sad to see the Conservatives skillfully turn one group against another and blame foreigners, those on benefits, public sector workers etc for our woes. Non of these groups sold dodgy mortgages, ran businesses into the ground to guzzle the profits, stole pensions, fiddled insurance payments, nor dealt in derivatives.[/p][/quote]Neither did the people who work in the private sector and who pay the wages of those in the public sector and cover the cost of the benefits bill but your heart doesn't seem to be bleeding for them. fredaj
  • Score: 0

7:41am Wed 5 Feb 14

Plantpot says...

ourcoalition wrote:
NickBtn wrote:
"20 to 25 people took part". Said the union official. Such a small number don't think that it would be hard to get an accurate figure!

Is this really news? Such a small percentage of those that work for the council.... Why so few? We've all suffered in this recession - with actual pay cuts as well as these pay freezes. Yet council tax keeps going up by more than wages in real terms.
Simply because it was not a strike, but a brief demonstration, repeated across the country. The object was to raise the issue, not disrupt services.

And Council staff pay Council Tax as well!!!
Council staff don't generate income. Any money they pay towards council tax has been generated by the tax payer. Their entire salaries are funded by someone else.
[quote][p][bold]ourcoalition[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NickBtn[/bold] wrote: "20 to 25 people took part". Said the union official. Such a small number don't think that it would be hard to get an accurate figure! Is this really news? Such a small percentage of those that work for the council.... Why so few? We've all suffered in this recession - with actual pay cuts as well as these pay freezes. Yet council tax keeps going up by more than wages in real terms.[/p][/quote]Simply because it was not a strike, but a brief demonstration, repeated across the country. The object was to raise the issue, not disrupt services. And Council staff pay Council Tax as well!!![/p][/quote]Council staff don't generate income. Any money they pay towards council tax has been generated by the tax payer. Their entire salaries are funded by someone else. Plantpot
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7:42am Wed 5 Feb 14

HJarrs says...

fredaj wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Our public servants have been treat disgracefully by Labour when in office and much so by the Nasty Party. They have been vilified and wages have been cut despite delivering more for less. It has been very sad to see the Conservatives skillfully turn one group against another and blame foreigners, those on benefits, public sector workers etc for our woes. Non of these groups sold dodgy mortgages, ran businesses into the ground to guzzle the profits, stole pensions, fiddled insurance payments, nor dealt in derivatives.
Neither did the people who work in the private sector and who pay the wages of those in the public sector and cover the cost of the benefits bill but your heart doesn't seem to be bleeding for them.
This article is about public sector workers. Nobody is vilifying private sector workers, many of whom have "gold plated" pensions and many of whom have started once more to receive modest cost of living rises. Your comments are typical divide and rule stuff. I would like to see all working people have decent terms and conditions and opportunity to progress, public or private sector.
[quote][p][bold]fredaj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Our public servants have been treat disgracefully by Labour when in office and much so by the Nasty Party. They have been vilified and wages have been cut despite delivering more for less. It has been very sad to see the Conservatives skillfully turn one group against another and blame foreigners, those on benefits, public sector workers etc for our woes. Non of these groups sold dodgy mortgages, ran businesses into the ground to guzzle the profits, stole pensions, fiddled insurance payments, nor dealt in derivatives.[/p][/quote]Neither did the people who work in the private sector and who pay the wages of those in the public sector and cover the cost of the benefits bill but your heart doesn't seem to be bleeding for them.[/p][/quote]This article is about public sector workers. Nobody is vilifying private sector workers, many of whom have "gold plated" pensions and many of whom have started once more to receive modest cost of living rises. Your comments are typical divide and rule stuff. I would like to see all working people have decent terms and conditions and opportunity to progress, public or private sector. HJarrs
  • Score: 1

8:17am Wed 5 Feb 14

HJarrs says...

Plantpot wrote:
ourcoalition wrote:
NickBtn wrote:
"20 to 25 people took part". Said the union official. Such a small number don't think that it would be hard to get an accurate figure!

Is this really news? Such a small percentage of those that work for the council.... Why so few? We've all suffered in this recession - with actual pay cuts as well as these pay freezes. Yet council tax keeps going up by more than wages in real terms.
Simply because it was not a strike, but a brief demonstration, repeated across the country. The object was to raise the issue, not disrupt services.

And Council staff pay Council Tax as well!!!
Council staff don't generate income. Any money they pay towards council tax has been generated by the tax payer. Their entire salaries are funded by someone else.
Learn from Plantpot. Had these same jobs been privatised and run, say by Capita (boss paid millions plus solid platinum pension) the employees would be magically turned into virtuous contributors to the system! Can't you see the logic?
[quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ourcoalition[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NickBtn[/bold] wrote: "20 to 25 people took part". Said the union official. Such a small number don't think that it would be hard to get an accurate figure! Is this really news? Such a small percentage of those that work for the council.... Why so few? We've all suffered in this recession - with actual pay cuts as well as these pay freezes. Yet council tax keeps going up by more than wages in real terms.[/p][/quote]Simply because it was not a strike, but a brief demonstration, repeated across the country. The object was to raise the issue, not disrupt services. And Council staff pay Council Tax as well!!![/p][/quote]Council staff don't generate income. Any money they pay towards council tax has been generated by the tax payer. Their entire salaries are funded by someone else.[/p][/quote]Learn from Plantpot. Had these same jobs been privatised and run, say by Capita (boss paid millions plus solid platinum pension) the employees would be magically turned into virtuous contributors to the system! Can't you see the logic? HJarrs
  • Score: -2

8:48am Wed 5 Feb 14

Fight_Back says...

HJarrs wrote:
Our public servants have been treat disgracefully by Labour when in office and much so by the Nasty Party. They have been vilified and wages have been cut despite delivering more for less. It has been very sad to see the Conservatives skillfully turn one group against another and blame foreigners, those on benefits, public sector workers etc for our woes. Non of these groups sold dodgy mortgages, ran businesses into the ground to guzzle the profits, stole pensions, fiddled insurance payments, nor dealt in derivatives.
As far as I can remember the binmen and street cleaners were also not responsible for any of the crimes you list yet the Greens cut their take home pay in real terms. Remind me who you think the nasty parties are ?
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Our public servants have been treat disgracefully by Labour when in office and much so by the Nasty Party. They have been vilified and wages have been cut despite delivering more for less. It has been very sad to see the Conservatives skillfully turn one group against another and blame foreigners, those on benefits, public sector workers etc for our woes. Non of these groups sold dodgy mortgages, ran businesses into the ground to guzzle the profits, stole pensions, fiddled insurance payments, nor dealt in derivatives.[/p][/quote]As far as I can remember the binmen and street cleaners were also not responsible for any of the crimes you list yet the Greens cut their take home pay in real terms. Remind me who you think the nasty parties are ? Fight_Back
  • Score: 4

12:58pm Wed 5 Feb 14

fredaj says...

HJarrs wrote:
Plantpot wrote:
ourcoalition wrote:
NickBtn wrote:
"20 to 25 people took part". Said the union official. Such a small number don't think that it would be hard to get an accurate figure!

Is this really news? Such a small percentage of those that work for the council.... Why so few? We've all suffered in this recession - with actual pay cuts as well as these pay freezes. Yet council tax keeps going up by more than wages in real terms.
Simply because it was not a strike, but a brief demonstration, repeated across the country. The object was to raise the issue, not disrupt services.

And Council staff pay Council Tax as well!!!
Council staff don't generate income. Any money they pay towards council tax has been generated by the tax payer. Their entire salaries are funded by someone else.
Learn from Plantpot. Had these same jobs been privatised and run, say by Capita (boss paid millions plus solid platinum pension) the employees would be magically turned into virtuous contributors to the system! Can't you see the logic?
Plantpot did not say anything of the sort.

Whether you work for the state or are entirely funded by the state as a contractor for example, you do not contibute any new money to the coffers when you pay tax. All you are doing is recirculating the money earned by those who do generate money.

That in no way suggests that public services are worthless - quite the opposite - but it is difficult to understand how anyone can have a useful opinion on the funding of state services if they cannot grasp this very basic fact.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ourcoalition[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NickBtn[/bold] wrote: "20 to 25 people took part". Said the union official. Such a small number don't think that it would be hard to get an accurate figure! Is this really news? Such a small percentage of those that work for the council.... Why so few? We've all suffered in this recession - with actual pay cuts as well as these pay freezes. Yet council tax keeps going up by more than wages in real terms.[/p][/quote]Simply because it was not a strike, but a brief demonstration, repeated across the country. The object was to raise the issue, not disrupt services. And Council staff pay Council Tax as well!!![/p][/quote]Council staff don't generate income. Any money they pay towards council tax has been generated by the tax payer. Their entire salaries are funded by someone else.[/p][/quote]Learn from Plantpot. Had these same jobs been privatised and run, say by Capita (boss paid millions plus solid platinum pension) the employees would be magically turned into virtuous contributors to the system! Can't you see the logic?[/p][/quote]Plantpot did not say anything of the sort. Whether you work for the state or are entirely funded by the state as a contractor for example, you do not contibute any new money to the coffers when you pay tax. All you are doing is recirculating the money earned by those who do generate money. That in no way suggests that public services are worthless - quite the opposite - but it is difficult to understand how anyone can have a useful opinion on the funding of state services if they cannot grasp this very basic fact. fredaj
  • Score: 2

5:15pm Wed 5 Feb 14

jimpy762 says...

Yep. Private industry generates it at source and multiple layers of the state shriek to be allowed to waste it and become somewhat unpleasant about it all when they have their wings clipped. The cuts are for a good reason, the so called nasty party are being sensible and FAIR and thus far seem to be yielding good results. Cut deeper.
Yep. Private industry generates it at source and multiple layers of the state shriek to be allowed to waste it and become somewhat unpleasant about it all when they have their wings clipped. The cuts are for a good reason, the so called nasty party are being sensible and FAIR and thus far seem to be yielding good results. Cut deeper. jimpy762
  • Score: 0

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