Brighton Green councillor invited to appear before Parliamentary committee

Brighton Green councillor invited to appear before Parliamentary committee

Brighton Green councillor invited to appear before Parliamentary committee

First published in News

A Green councillor has been invited to give evidence to a prestigious Government committee.

Ian Davey, deputy leader and lead member for transport, has been invited to give evidence before the Transport Select Committee on Monday.

Brighton and Hove City Council was invited by the select committee to send a representative after its transport initiatives and provisions for cyclists were praised by members of the public.

Coun Davey said he was honoured to be invited to attend.

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10:22am Sat 8 Feb 14

Seventh Circle says...

Perhaps he can explain how the totally unnecessary bus lane in Lewes Road has resulted in the tragic death of an 18 year old student.
Before the bus lanes were built I can't remember one single pedestrian fatality.. and now there've been 2 (the lady from Eastbourne at the bottom of North Road) as well as numerous other serious incidents
Perhaps he can explain how the totally unnecessary bus lane in Lewes Road has resulted in the tragic death of an 18 year old student. Before the bus lanes were built I can't remember one single pedestrian fatality.. and now there've been 2 (the lady from Eastbourne at the bottom of North Road) as well as numerous other serious incidents Seventh Circle
  • Score: 17

10:28am Sat 8 Feb 14

upsidedowntuctuc says...

Hanover have been busy as members of the public saying how well he has done NO ONE ELSE here does.
Maybe they need more manure for their roses!
This odious arrogant man who has caused more congestion and pollution in 2 years than the Chinese in 10! (well an exaggeration maybe but no more than his statements) However it has increased significantly and yet he states it has gone down and everyone loves his policies.
Hopefully Louise Ellman and her excellent committee will have done their homework and see right through his Green bulls..t spin and send him packing.
Less than 15 months left doesn't time fly when you are having fun!
W
Hanover have been busy as members of the public saying how well he has done NO ONE ELSE here does. Maybe they need more manure for their roses! This odious arrogant man who has caused more congestion and pollution in 2 years than the Chinese in 10! (well an exaggeration maybe but no more than his statements) However it has increased significantly and yet he states it has gone down and everyone loves his policies. Hopefully Louise Ellman and her excellent committee will have done their homework and see right through his Green bulls..t spin and send him packing. Less than 15 months left doesn't time fly when you are having fun! W upsidedowntuctuc
  • Score: 23

10:54am Sat 8 Feb 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

Will former Green Mayor Bill Randall drive Mr Davey to London for the meeting?
I hope the committee ask Mr Davey why Bill told the argus that he had used his freebie car to go to London and Bexhill when there are excellent rail links.
But seriously, I would like the committee to ask why a bus lane was created which slowed bus movement so much the buses now use both lanes and have abandoned the scheme and why the system has generated a 40 per cent increase in taxi movements and most importantly why a pedestrian has died and a cyclist received a broken neck on the route in less than six months.
I would also like the committee to ask what the council is doing to address the issue of children and students walking into the central carriage way along the route putting their lives at risk when this never happened before the scheme was introduced.
I reported this risk in September 2013 and every morning and evening at school/college time it can be witnessed.
Someone will be killed Mr Davey.
Will former Green Mayor Bill Randall drive Mr Davey to London for the meeting? I hope the committee ask Mr Davey why Bill told the argus that he had used his freebie car to go to London and Bexhill when there are excellent rail links. But seriously, I would like the committee to ask why a bus lane was created which slowed bus movement so much the buses now use both lanes and have abandoned the scheme and why the system has generated a 40 per cent increase in taxi movements and most importantly why a pedestrian has died and a cyclist received a broken neck on the route in less than six months. I would also like the committee to ask what the council is doing to address the issue of children and students walking into the central carriage way along the route putting their lives at risk when this never happened before the scheme was introduced. I reported this risk in September 2013 and every morning and evening at school/college time it can be witnessed. Someone will be killed Mr Davey. Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: 19

10:57am Sat 8 Feb 14

Quiterie says...

Oh God!!!! Please don't embarrass us too much please Ian Davey. In Brighton and Hove we all know what a rambling ignoramus you are. The rest of the country hasn't had that pleasure yet. Try and remember you're representing Brighton and Hove and keep the verbal diarrhoea to a minimum. Oh God.... I can't bear to watch........
Oh God!!!! Please don't embarrass us too much please Ian Davey. In Brighton and Hove we all know what a rambling ignoramus you are. The rest of the country hasn't had that pleasure yet. Try and remember you're representing Brighton and Hove and keep the verbal diarrhoea to a minimum. Oh God.... I can't bear to watch........ Quiterie
  • Score: 20

12:29pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Martha Gunn says...

Splendid news!

The more publicity these buffoons get the better.
The wider their dreadful deeds are known the sooner will come their comeuppance.
Nothing but good can come from parading Davey in public.

Roll on 2015!
Splendid news! The more publicity these buffoons get the better. The wider their dreadful deeds are known the sooner will come their comeuppance. Nothing but good can come from parading Davey in public. Roll on 2015! Martha Gunn
  • Score: 12

1:40pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Indigatio says...

Which members of the public???????
Which members of the public??????? Indigatio
  • Score: 8

2:07pm Sat 8 Feb 14

HJarrs says...

Seventh Circle wrote:
Perhaps he can explain how the totally unnecessary bus lane in Lewes Road has resulted in the tragic death of an 18 year old student.
Before the bus lanes were built I can't remember one single pedestrian fatality.. and now there've been 2 (the lady from Eastbourne at the bottom of North Road) as well as numerous other serious incidents
Perhaps you can explain first. The young woman died at a pedestrain crossing with clear sight of the road. The road had not changed in width, nor speed, nor have buses suddenly started using the inside lane and been unexpected. Just an unfortunate accident.
[quote][p][bold]Seventh Circle[/bold] wrote: Perhaps he can explain how the totally unnecessary bus lane in Lewes Road has resulted in the tragic death of an 18 year old student. Before the bus lanes were built I can't remember one single pedestrian fatality.. and now there've been 2 (the lady from Eastbourne at the bottom of North Road) as well as numerous other serious incidents[/p][/quote]Perhaps you can explain first. The young woman died at a pedestrain crossing with clear sight of the road. The road had not changed in width, nor speed, nor have buses suddenly started using the inside lane and been unexpected. Just an unfortunate accident. HJarrs
  • Score: -12

2:21pm Sat 8 Feb 14

HJarrs says...

Well done Davey, bus ridership is up as is cycling in the city. Being hate figure No.1 of the moanerati shows you are doing something right and is something I think you can be proud of!

Many towns and cities across the country are following Brighton and Hove's lead in providing a choice of transport options. Tens of thousands of council tax paying households in the city do not own cars or do not soley use cars and have been largely ignored previously. At last, a tiny amount of our council tax is going towards cycling facilities, improved bus routes, bus information and pedestrainisation rather than spending all the transport element just on road vehicles. The council should also be congratulated for having to spend so little council tax while getting so much external funding and getting so much done, it has been extremely successful in bidding for various grants then getting on with the work.

How I look forward to my good Argus commenting friends celebrating the start of the work to improve as far as practicable, the Vogue Gyratory, a disgraceful deathrap that should never have been built.
Well done Davey, bus ridership is up as is cycling in the city. Being hate figure No.1 of the moanerati shows you are doing something right and is something I think you can be proud of! Many towns and cities across the country are following Brighton and Hove's lead in providing a choice of transport options. Tens of thousands of council tax paying households in the city do not own cars or do not soley use cars and have been largely ignored previously. At last, a tiny amount of our council tax is going towards cycling facilities, improved bus routes, bus information and pedestrainisation rather than spending all the transport element just on road vehicles. The council should also be congratulated for having to spend so little council tax while getting so much external funding and getting so much done, it has been extremely successful in bidding for various grants then getting on with the work. How I look forward to my good Argus commenting friends celebrating the start of the work to improve as far as practicable, the Vogue Gyratory, a disgraceful deathrap that should never have been built. HJarrs
  • Score: -16

2:29pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Dealing with idiots says...

Indeed the slimey Ian is not representative of Brighton and Hove. I think the members of the comittee should be made aware of the K**b in their midst. You can contact them on

http://www.parliamen
t.uk/business/commit
tees/committees-a-z/
commons-select/trans
port-committee/news/
cycling-safety---2nd
-ev-session/

louise.ellman.mp@par
liament.uk
karen@tellkaren.com
dobbinj@parliament.u
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jason.mccartney.mp@p
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martin.vickers.mp@pa
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Indeed the slimey Ian is not representative of Brighton and Hove. I think the members of the comittee should be made aware of the K**b in their midst. You can contact them on http://www.parliamen t.uk/business/commit tees/committees-a-z/ commons-select/trans port-committee/news/ cycling-safety---2nd -ev-session/ louise.ellman.mp@par liament.uk karen@tellkaren.com dobbinj@parliament.u k jason.mccartney.mp@p arliament.uk martin.vickers.mp@pa rliament.uk Dealing with idiots
  • Score: 5

2:59pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Gribbet says...

Bad news for all the petrolhead Warren Morgan Labour fan-boys of recent who are banking on Labour bulldozing away the city's/nation's cycle lanes if/when they get in to power - The Labour shadow transport secretary Mary Creagh says "As shadow transport secretary, I want to move cycling from the margins to the mainstream so Britain catches up with the likes of Germany and Denmark"

Start pulling your hair out while you've still got some, the future is two-wheeled whatever happens in 2015. Roll on more cycling infrastructure! Bring on Brighton velodrome!
Bad news for all the petrolhead Warren Morgan Labour fan-boys of recent who are banking on Labour bulldozing away the city's/nation's cycle lanes if/when they get in to power - The Labour shadow transport secretary Mary Creagh says "As shadow transport secretary, I want to move cycling from the margins to the mainstream so Britain catches up with the likes of Germany and Denmark" Start pulling your hair out while you've still got some, the future is two-wheeled whatever happens in 2015. Roll on more cycling infrastructure! Bring on Brighton velodrome! Gribbet
  • Score: -8

3:12pm Sat 8 Feb 14

HJarrs says...

Gribbet wrote:
Bad news for all the petrolhead Warren Morgan Labour fan-boys of recent who are banking on Labour bulldozing away the city's/nation's cycle lanes if/when they get in to power - The Labour shadow transport secretary Mary Creagh says "As shadow transport secretary, I want to move cycling from the margins to the mainstream so Britain catches up with the likes of Germany and Denmark"

Start pulling your hair out while you've still got some, the future is two-wheeled whatever happens in 2015. Roll on more cycling infrastructure! Bring on Brighton velodrome!
Not only that Gribbet, but as I have often pointed out to my good friends on here, despite cuts to council services, government grants will be available to improve bus and cycle lanes with matching funds coming from parking revenues.
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: Bad news for all the petrolhead Warren Morgan Labour fan-boys of recent who are banking on Labour bulldozing away the city's/nation's cycle lanes if/when they get in to power - The Labour shadow transport secretary Mary Creagh says "As shadow transport secretary, I want to move cycling from the margins to the mainstream so Britain catches up with the likes of Germany and Denmark" Start pulling your hair out while you've still got some, the future is two-wheeled whatever happens in 2015. Roll on more cycling infrastructure! Bring on Brighton velodrome![/p][/quote]Not only that Gribbet, but as I have often pointed out to my good friends on here, despite cuts to council services, government grants will be available to improve bus and cycle lanes with matching funds coming from parking revenues. HJarrs
  • Score: -9

3:57pm Sat 8 Feb 14

JHunty says...

HJarrs wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Bad news for all the petrolhead Warren Morgan Labour fan-boys of recent who are banking on Labour bulldozing away the city's/nation's cycle lanes if/when they get in to power - The Labour shadow transport secretary Mary Creagh says "As shadow transport secretary, I want to move cycling from the margins to the mainstream so Britain catches up with the likes of Germany and Denmark"

Start pulling your hair out while you've still got some, the future is two-wheeled whatever happens in 2015. Roll on more cycling infrastructure! Bring on Brighton velodrome!
Not only that Gribbet, but as I have often pointed out to my good friends on here, despite cuts to council services, government grants will be available to improve bus and cycle lanes with matching funds coming from parking revenues.
And there you have why it is that the Greens are so disliked. An arrogant dismissal of everyone else's opinion and a closed circle of self congratulatory internal validation for ideologically driven divisive policies.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: Bad news for all the petrolhead Warren Morgan Labour fan-boys of recent who are banking on Labour bulldozing away the city's/nation's cycle lanes if/when they get in to power - The Labour shadow transport secretary Mary Creagh says "As shadow transport secretary, I want to move cycling from the margins to the mainstream so Britain catches up with the likes of Germany and Denmark" Start pulling your hair out while you've still got some, the future is two-wheeled whatever happens in 2015. Roll on more cycling infrastructure! Bring on Brighton velodrome![/p][/quote]Not only that Gribbet, but as I have often pointed out to my good friends on here, despite cuts to council services, government grants will be available to improve bus and cycle lanes with matching funds coming from parking revenues.[/p][/quote]And there you have why it is that the Greens are so disliked. An arrogant dismissal of everyone else's opinion and a closed circle of self congratulatory internal validation for ideologically driven divisive policies. JHunty
  • Score: 7

4:01pm Sat 8 Feb 14

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! says...

Spectacular incompetence that knows no bounds.

I now know that HJ and mob have no interest in the welfare and well being of the residents of Brighton and my guess is that Ian Davey is no better
Spectacular incompetence that knows no bounds. I now know that HJ and mob have no interest in the welfare and well being of the residents of Brighton and my guess is that Ian Davey is no better I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars!
  • Score: 6

4:15pm Sat 8 Feb 14

NickBtn says...

HJarrs wrote:
Seventh Circle wrote:
Perhaps he can explain how the totally unnecessary bus lane in Lewes Road has resulted in the tragic death of an 18 year old student.
Before the bus lanes were built I can't remember one single pedestrian fatality.. and now there've been 2 (the lady from Eastbourne at the bottom of North Road) as well as numerous other serious incidents
Perhaps you can explain first. The young woman died at a pedestrain crossing with clear sight of the road. The road had not changed in width, nor speed, nor have buses suddenly started using the inside lane and been unexpected. Just an unfortunate accident.
I think that there may be an explanation why this happened that hopefully an inquest will consider.

The road could appear to be a right hand drive road - with a stream of cars in the right hand lane and none in the left lane. To someone used to right hand roads you would look one way, see nothing and then wait to cross the other lane. The lack of traffic in the left lane is new and caused by the bus lane. Therefore a momentary lapse by anyone used to right hand drive roads could lead to an accident (as you would be looking the wrong way and could step out directly in front of a bus). I don't know if that was the case here, but the road layout is more dangerous now to any person used to right hand drive roads. We have many foreign students so they are more at risk after these "improvements"
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seventh Circle[/bold] wrote: Perhaps he can explain how the totally unnecessary bus lane in Lewes Road has resulted in the tragic death of an 18 year old student. Before the bus lanes were built I can't remember one single pedestrian fatality.. and now there've been 2 (the lady from Eastbourne at the bottom of North Road) as well as numerous other serious incidents[/p][/quote]Perhaps you can explain first. The young woman died at a pedestrain crossing with clear sight of the road. The road had not changed in width, nor speed, nor have buses suddenly started using the inside lane and been unexpected. Just an unfortunate accident.[/p][/quote]I think that there may be an explanation why this happened that hopefully an inquest will consider. The road could appear to be a right hand drive road - with a stream of cars in the right hand lane and none in the left lane. To someone used to right hand roads you would look one way, see nothing and then wait to cross the other lane. The lack of traffic in the left lane is new and caused by the bus lane. Therefore a momentary lapse by anyone used to right hand drive roads could lead to an accident (as you would be looking the wrong way and could step out directly in front of a bus). I don't know if that was the case here, but the road layout is more dangerous now to any person used to right hand drive roads. We have many foreign students so they are more at risk after these "improvements" NickBtn
  • Score: 9

4:53pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Dealing with idiots says...

HJarrs wrote:
Well done Davey, bus ridership is up as is cycling in the city. Being hate figure No.1 of the moanerati shows you are doing something right and is something I think you can be proud of! Many towns and cities across the country are following Brighton and Hove's lead in providing a choice of transport options. Tens of thousands of council tax paying households in the city do not own cars or do not soley use cars and have been largely ignored previously. At last, a tiny amount of our council tax is going towards cycling facilities, improved bus routes, bus information and pedestrainisation rather than spending all the transport element just on road vehicles. The council should also be congratulated for having to spend so little council tax while getting so much external funding and getting so much done, it has been extremely successful in bidding for various grants then getting on with the work. How I look forward to my good Argus commenting friends celebrating the start of the work to improve as far as practicable, the Vogue Gyratory, a disgraceful deathrap that should never have been built.
And how many cyclists have been killed at the Vogue? How much was your last invoice to B&H for your 'consultancy' services? What is it like kissing Ian's a** all the time? So many questions, so little time to the end of the greens. See you at the Metropole tomorrow Steve.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Well done Davey, bus ridership is up as is cycling in the city. Being hate figure No.1 of the moanerati shows you are doing something right and is something I think you can be proud of! Many towns and cities across the country are following Brighton and Hove's lead in providing a choice of transport options. Tens of thousands of council tax paying households in the city do not own cars or do not soley use cars and have been largely ignored previously. At last, a tiny amount of our council tax is going towards cycling facilities, improved bus routes, bus information and pedestrainisation rather than spending all the transport element just on road vehicles. The council should also be congratulated for having to spend so little council tax while getting so much external funding and getting so much done, it has been extremely successful in bidding for various grants then getting on with the work. How I look forward to my good Argus commenting friends celebrating the start of the work to improve as far as practicable, the Vogue Gyratory, a disgraceful deathrap that should never have been built.[/p][/quote]And how many cyclists have been killed at the Vogue? How much was your last invoice to B&H for your 'consultancy' services? What is it like kissing Ian's a** all the time? So many questions, so little time to the end of the greens. See you at the Metropole tomorrow Steve. Dealing with idiots
  • Score: 9

6:32pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Seventh Circle says...

HJarrs wrote:
Seventh Circle wrote:
Perhaps he can explain how the totally unnecessary bus lane in Lewes Road has resulted in the tragic death of an 18 year old student.
Before the bus lanes were built I can't remember one single pedestrian fatality.. and now there've been 2 (the lady from Eastbourne at the bottom of North Road) as well as numerous other serious incidents
Perhaps you can explain first. The young woman died at a pedestrain crossing with clear sight of the road. The road had not changed in width, nor speed, nor have buses suddenly started using the inside lane and been unexpected. Just an unfortunate accident.
As someome who grew up in the Lewes Road area from the 60's.... it fills me with incredulity... particularly when going past Saunders Park.... that this scheme was ever considered.. never mind implemented.
The whole of the Lewes Road is awaiting serious accidents as a result.
Cars are being directed into the outside lane and then allowed to cut back in at the B & Q turn off junction.
It's the same going the other way.
It is neither pedestrian, bus or car friendly.
As I say, I cannot recall one single pedestrian/bus fatality prior to the bus lanes being built.
Your party's insane traffic schemes are responsible for the death of an 18 year old student.
Buses and taxis storm up the inside lanes regardless of anyone and that is why that accident happened.
Is that plain enough for you to understand? That girl would not have died if a bus lane hadn't been needlessly and expensively built on that section of road.
We are not London with roads endlessly clogged with traffic everywhere. Cars are backed up on every busy road in Brighton as a result of these needless and unnecessary bus lanes.
And this is from a cycle users viewpoint
How many more people have to die before your party sees sense?
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seventh Circle[/bold] wrote: Perhaps he can explain how the totally unnecessary bus lane in Lewes Road has resulted in the tragic death of an 18 year old student. Before the bus lanes were built I can't remember one single pedestrian fatality.. and now there've been 2 (the lady from Eastbourne at the bottom of North Road) as well as numerous other serious incidents[/p][/quote]Perhaps you can explain first. The young woman died at a pedestrain crossing with clear sight of the road. The road had not changed in width, nor speed, nor have buses suddenly started using the inside lane and been unexpected. Just an unfortunate accident.[/p][/quote]As someome who grew up in the Lewes Road area from the 60's.... it fills me with incredulity... particularly when going past Saunders Park.... that this scheme was ever considered.. never mind implemented. The whole of the Lewes Road is awaiting serious accidents as a result. Cars are being directed into the outside lane and then allowed to cut back in at the B & Q turn off junction. It's the same going the other way. It is neither pedestrian, bus or car friendly. As I say, I cannot recall one single pedestrian/bus fatality prior to the bus lanes being built. Your party's insane traffic schemes are responsible for the death of an 18 year old student. Buses and taxis storm up the inside lanes regardless of anyone and that is why that accident happened. Is that plain enough for you to understand? That girl would not have died if a bus lane hadn't been needlessly and expensively built on that section of road. We are not London with roads endlessly clogged with traffic everywhere. Cars are backed up on every busy road in Brighton as a result of these needless and unnecessary bus lanes. And this is from a cycle users viewpoint How many more people have to die before your party sees sense? Seventh Circle
  • Score: 9

8:37pm Sat 8 Feb 14

abracadab says...

It is shameful to see how the car lobby are using the recent tragic death of a student to attack the recent improvements to the Lewes Road traffic scheme.
There are clearly no moral boundaries when you feel your 'freedom to drive' is being curtailed.
It is shameful to see how the car lobby are using the recent tragic death of a student to attack the recent improvements to the Lewes Road traffic scheme. There are clearly no moral boundaries when you feel your 'freedom to drive' is being curtailed. abracadab
  • Score: -6

8:45pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

The bus lane on the Lewes Road was opened with a party hosted by Caroline Lucas. However, within a week the bus timetable became so unreliable and the services ran so late every single day that the bus company abandoned using the bus lane and have now returned to using the Lewes Road as they always did, in both lanes as have taxis, weaving in and out, which can be quite a surprise when a bendy pulls out over the solid white line.
More importantly we have a poor gentleman cyclist who broke his neck on the route since the changes and a young girl who lost her life. When the young lady lost her life on the shared cycle pavement at Falmer, health and safety quite rightly became a priority and now is the time to examine why we've had a fatality and a serious cycling accident.
Please ignore politicians and their agendas, we need non political people to take an independent view of why we've had these terrible tragedies.
The bus lane on the Lewes Road was opened with a party hosted by Caroline Lucas. However, within a week the bus timetable became so unreliable and the services ran so late every single day that the bus company abandoned using the bus lane and have now returned to using the Lewes Road as they always did, in both lanes as have taxis, weaving in and out, which can be quite a surprise when a bendy pulls out over the solid white line. More importantly we have a poor gentleman cyclist who broke his neck on the route since the changes and a young girl who lost her life. When the young lady lost her life on the shared cycle pavement at Falmer, health and safety quite rightly became a priority and now is the time to examine why we've had a fatality and a serious cycling accident. Please ignore politicians and their agendas, we need non political people to take an independent view of why we've had these terrible tragedies. Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: 10

8:47pm Sat 8 Feb 14

HJarrs says...

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! wrote:
Spectacular incompetence that knows no bounds.

I now know that HJ and mob have no interest in the welfare and well being of the residents of Brighton and my guess is that Ian Davey is no better
Is that my London friend posting again? Bring your bike down on the train and we can have ride around.
[quote][p][bold]I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars![/bold] wrote: Spectacular incompetence that knows no bounds. I now know that HJ and mob have no interest in the welfare and well being of the residents of Brighton and my guess is that Ian Davey is no better[/p][/quote]Is that my London friend posting again? Bring your bike down on the train and we can have ride around. HJarrs
  • Score: -5

8:49pm Sat 8 Feb 14

HJarrs says...

NickBtn wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Seventh Circle wrote:
Perhaps he can explain how the totally unnecessary bus lane in Lewes Road has resulted in the tragic death of an 18 year old student.
Before the bus lanes were built I can't remember one single pedestrian fatality.. and now there've been 2 (the lady from Eastbourne at the bottom of North Road) as well as numerous other serious incidents
Perhaps you can explain first. The young woman died at a pedestrain crossing with clear sight of the road. The road had not changed in width, nor speed, nor have buses suddenly started using the inside lane and been unexpected. Just an unfortunate accident.
I think that there may be an explanation why this happened that hopefully an inquest will consider.

The road could appear to be a right hand drive road - with a stream of cars in the right hand lane and none in the left lane. To someone used to right hand roads you would look one way, see nothing and then wait to cross the other lane. The lack of traffic in the left lane is new and caused by the bus lane. Therefore a momentary lapse by anyone used to right hand drive roads could lead to an accident (as you would be looking the wrong way and could step out directly in front of a bus). I don't know if that was the case here, but the road layout is more dangerous now to any person used to right hand drive roads. We have many foreign students so they are more at risk after these "improvements"
Quite right that an inquiry should consider this, then it can be properly dismissed.
[quote][p][bold]NickBtn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seventh Circle[/bold] wrote: Perhaps he can explain how the totally unnecessary bus lane in Lewes Road has resulted in the tragic death of an 18 year old student. Before the bus lanes were built I can't remember one single pedestrian fatality.. and now there've been 2 (the lady from Eastbourne at the bottom of North Road) as well as numerous other serious incidents[/p][/quote]Perhaps you can explain first. The young woman died at a pedestrain crossing with clear sight of the road. The road had not changed in width, nor speed, nor have buses suddenly started using the inside lane and been unexpected. Just an unfortunate accident.[/p][/quote]I think that there may be an explanation why this happened that hopefully an inquest will consider. The road could appear to be a right hand drive road - with a stream of cars in the right hand lane and none in the left lane. To someone used to right hand roads you would look one way, see nothing and then wait to cross the other lane. The lack of traffic in the left lane is new and caused by the bus lane. Therefore a momentary lapse by anyone used to right hand drive roads could lead to an accident (as you would be looking the wrong way and could step out directly in front of a bus). I don't know if that was the case here, but the road layout is more dangerous now to any person used to right hand drive roads. We have many foreign students so they are more at risk after these "improvements"[/p][/quote]Quite right that an inquiry should consider this, then it can be properly dismissed. HJarrs
  • Score: -8

8:58pm Sat 8 Feb 14

HJarrs says...

Seventh Circle wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Seventh Circle wrote:
Perhaps he can explain how the totally unnecessary bus lane in Lewes Road has resulted in the tragic death of an 18 year old student.
Before the bus lanes were built I can't remember one single pedestrian fatality.. and now there've been 2 (the lady from Eastbourne at the bottom of North Road) as well as numerous other serious incidents
Perhaps you can explain first. The young woman died at a pedestrain crossing with clear sight of the road. The road had not changed in width, nor speed, nor have buses suddenly started using the inside lane and been unexpected. Just an unfortunate accident.
As someome who grew up in the Lewes Road area from the 60's.... it fills me with incredulity... particularly when going past Saunders Park.... that this scheme was ever considered.. never mind implemented.
The whole of the Lewes Road is awaiting serious accidents as a result.
Cars are being directed into the outside lane and then allowed to cut back in at the B & Q turn off junction.
It's the same going the other way.
It is neither pedestrian, bus or car friendly.
As I say, I cannot recall one single pedestrian/bus fatality prior to the bus lanes being built.
Your party's insane traffic schemes are responsible for the death of an 18 year old student.
Buses and taxis storm up the inside lanes regardless of anyone and that is why that accident happened.
Is that plain enough for you to understand? That girl would not have died if a bus lane hadn't been needlessly and expensively built on that section of road.
We are not London with roads endlessly clogged with traffic everywhere. Cars are backed up on every busy road in Brighton as a result of these needless and unnecessary bus lanes.
And this is from a cycle users viewpoint
How many more people have to die before your party sees sense?
I am afraid that you are using the death of a young woman in a tragic accident just because you personally do not like the road layout. However, an inquest did consider the previous layout a significant factor in a young cyclist being killed near Coldean Lane. The cycle scheme was designed in consultation with her family. I have cycled, driven and buses up the Lewes rd in and out of rush hour. I found cycling much improved both for convenience and safety, the buses have not been held up in traffic and 12mins from Coldean Lane to Elm Grove did not seem unreasonable. Roll on the Gyratory.
[quote][p][bold]Seventh Circle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seventh Circle[/bold] wrote: Perhaps he can explain how the totally unnecessary bus lane in Lewes Road has resulted in the tragic death of an 18 year old student. Before the bus lanes were built I can't remember one single pedestrian fatality.. and now there've been 2 (the lady from Eastbourne at the bottom of North Road) as well as numerous other serious incidents[/p][/quote]Perhaps you can explain first. The young woman died at a pedestrain crossing with clear sight of the road. The road had not changed in width, nor speed, nor have buses suddenly started using the inside lane and been unexpected. Just an unfortunate accident.[/p][/quote]As someome who grew up in the Lewes Road area from the 60's.... it fills me with incredulity... particularly when going past Saunders Park.... that this scheme was ever considered.. never mind implemented. The whole of the Lewes Road is awaiting serious accidents as a result. Cars are being directed into the outside lane and then allowed to cut back in at the B & Q turn off junction. It's the same going the other way. It is neither pedestrian, bus or car friendly. As I say, I cannot recall one single pedestrian/bus fatality prior to the bus lanes being built. Your party's insane traffic schemes are responsible for the death of an 18 year old student. Buses and taxis storm up the inside lanes regardless of anyone and that is why that accident happened. Is that plain enough for you to understand? That girl would not have died if a bus lane hadn't been needlessly and expensively built on that section of road. We are not London with roads endlessly clogged with traffic everywhere. Cars are backed up on every busy road in Brighton as a result of these needless and unnecessary bus lanes. And this is from a cycle users viewpoint How many more people have to die before your party sees sense?[/p][/quote]I am afraid that you are using the death of a young woman in a tragic accident just because you personally do not like the road layout. However, an inquest did consider the previous layout a significant factor in a young cyclist being killed near Coldean Lane. The cycle scheme was designed in consultation with her family. I have cycled, driven and buses up the Lewes rd in and out of rush hour. I found cycling much improved both for convenience and safety, the buses have not been held up in traffic and 12mins from Coldean Lane to Elm Grove did not seem unreasonable. Roll on the Gyratory. HJarrs
  • Score: -1

9:04pm Sat 8 Feb 14

HJarrs says...

Good to have you back. I missed you!

1. Never worked with or for B&H council.
2. I have been no more familiar with Ian Davey than to have shaken his hand once.
3. If I could be bothered I could find many killed or seriously injured since the Vogue Gyratory was constructed in 1984 (do you think there are none?). More to the point, because it is a death trap, it puts people off cycling round it in the first place.
4. Aren't you pleased more people are cycling?
4. See you down the Metropole, you buying?
Good to have you back. I missed you! 1. Never worked with or for B&H council. 2. I have been no more familiar with Ian Davey than to have shaken his hand once. 3. If I could be bothered I could find many killed or seriously injured since the Vogue Gyratory was constructed in 1984 (do you think there are none?). More to the point, because it is a death trap, it puts people off cycling round it in the first place. 4. Aren't you pleased more people are cycling? 4. See you down the Metropole, you buying? HJarrs
  • Score: -8

9:55pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Quiterie says...

HJarrs wrote:
Well done Davey, bus ridership is up as is cycling in the city. Being hate figure No.1 of the moanerati shows you are doing something right and is something I think you can be proud of!

Many towns and cities across the country are following Brighton and Hove's lead in providing a choice of transport options. Tens of thousands of council tax paying households in the city do not own cars or do not soley use cars and have been largely ignored previously. At last, a tiny amount of our council tax is going towards cycling facilities, improved bus routes, bus information and pedestrainisation rather than spending all the transport element just on road vehicles. The council should also be congratulated for having to spend so little council tax while getting so much external funding and getting so much done, it has been extremely successful in bidding for various grants then getting on with the work.

How I look forward to my good Argus commenting friends celebrating the start of the work to improve as far as practicable, the Vogue Gyratory, a disgraceful deathrap that should never have been built.
Where's your evidence that cycling has increased under the Greens?
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Well done Davey, bus ridership is up as is cycling in the city. Being hate figure No.1 of the moanerati shows you are doing something right and is something I think you can be proud of! Many towns and cities across the country are following Brighton and Hove's lead in providing a choice of transport options. Tens of thousands of council tax paying households in the city do not own cars or do not soley use cars and have been largely ignored previously. At last, a tiny amount of our council tax is going towards cycling facilities, improved bus routes, bus information and pedestrainisation rather than spending all the transport element just on road vehicles. The council should also be congratulated for having to spend so little council tax while getting so much external funding and getting so much done, it has been extremely successful in bidding for various grants then getting on with the work. How I look forward to my good Argus commenting friends celebrating the start of the work to improve as far as practicable, the Vogue Gyratory, a disgraceful deathrap that should never have been built.[/p][/quote]Where's your evidence that cycling has increased under the Greens? Quiterie
  • Score: 10

12:07am Sun 9 Feb 14

HJarrs says...

Quiterie wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Well done Davey, bus ridership is up as is cycling in the city. Being hate figure No.1 of the moanerati shows you are doing something right and is something I think you can be proud of!

Many towns and cities across the country are following Brighton and Hove's lead in providing a choice of transport options. Tens of thousands of council tax paying households in the city do not own cars or do not soley use cars and have been largely ignored previously. At last, a tiny amount of our council tax is going towards cycling facilities, improved bus routes, bus information and pedestrainisation rather than spending all the transport element just on road vehicles. The council should also be congratulated for having to spend so little council tax while getting so much external funding and getting so much done, it has been extremely successful in bidding for various grants then getting on with the work.

How I look forward to my good Argus commenting friends celebrating the start of the work to improve as far as practicable, the Vogue Gyratory, a disgraceful deathrap that should never have been built.
Where's your evidence that cycling has increased under the Greens?
Well, I certainly see a lot more people cycling. The Lewes rd study also showed a 14% increase ( the counting methodology under represents cycling along that corridor). What is your evidence that the same or fewer are cycling?
[quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Well done Davey, bus ridership is up as is cycling in the city. Being hate figure No.1 of the moanerati shows you are doing something right and is something I think you can be proud of! Many towns and cities across the country are following Brighton and Hove's lead in providing a choice of transport options. Tens of thousands of council tax paying households in the city do not own cars or do not soley use cars and have been largely ignored previously. At last, a tiny amount of our council tax is going towards cycling facilities, improved bus routes, bus information and pedestrainisation rather than spending all the transport element just on road vehicles. The council should also be congratulated for having to spend so little council tax while getting so much external funding and getting so much done, it has been extremely successful in bidding for various grants then getting on with the work. How I look forward to my good Argus commenting friends celebrating the start of the work to improve as far as practicable, the Vogue Gyratory, a disgraceful deathrap that should never have been built.[/p][/quote]Where's your evidence that cycling has increased under the Greens?[/p][/quote]Well, I certainly see a lot more people cycling. The Lewes rd study also showed a 14% increase ( the counting methodology under represents cycling along that corridor). What is your evidence that the same or fewer are cycling? HJarrs
  • Score: -8

12:20am Sun 9 Feb 14

Gribbet says...

JHunty wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Bad news for all the petrolhead Warren Morgan Labour fan-boys of recent who are banking on Labour bulldozing away the city's/nation's cycle lanes if/when they get in to power - The Labour shadow transport secretary Mary Creagh says "As shadow transport secretary, I want to move cycling from the margins to the mainstream so Britain catches up with the likes of Germany and Denmark"

Start pulling your hair out while you've still got some, the future is two-wheeled whatever happens in 2015. Roll on more cycling infrastructure! Bring on Brighton velodrome!
Not only that Gribbet, but as I have often pointed out to my good friends on here, despite cuts to council services, government grants will be available to improve bus and cycle lanes with matching funds coming from parking revenues.
And there you have why it is that the Greens are so disliked. An arrogant dismissal of everyone else's opinion and a closed circle of self congratulatory internal validation for ideologically driven divisive policies.
Dismissing someone else's opinion is par for the course on the argus website comments, you should know that, you do it all the time yourself. Also no one's opinion has been dismissed here, just pointing out some of the actual reality of what the parties stand for. Sometimes the reality doesn't suit people on here, so they tend to either ignore the fuller picture, dismiss something as spin (just because they don't like it) or wrongly call it a lie (again, just because they don't like it).
[quote][p][bold]JHunty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: Bad news for all the petrolhead Warren Morgan Labour fan-boys of recent who are banking on Labour bulldozing away the city's/nation's cycle lanes if/when they get in to power - The Labour shadow transport secretary Mary Creagh says "As shadow transport secretary, I want to move cycling from the margins to the mainstream so Britain catches up with the likes of Germany and Denmark" Start pulling your hair out while you've still got some, the future is two-wheeled whatever happens in 2015. Roll on more cycling infrastructure! Bring on Brighton velodrome![/p][/quote]Not only that Gribbet, but as I have often pointed out to my good friends on here, despite cuts to council services, government grants will be available to improve bus and cycle lanes with matching funds coming from parking revenues.[/p][/quote]And there you have why it is that the Greens are so disliked. An arrogant dismissal of everyone else's opinion and a closed circle of self congratulatory internal validation for ideologically driven divisive policies.[/p][/quote]Dismissing someone else's opinion is par for the course on the argus website comments, you should know that, you do it all the time yourself. Also no one's opinion has been dismissed here, just pointing out some of the actual reality of what the parties stand for. Sometimes the reality doesn't suit people on here, so they tend to either ignore the fuller picture, dismiss something as spin (just because they don't like it) or wrongly call it a lie (again, just because they don't like it). Gribbet
  • Score: -4

12:28am Sun 9 Feb 14

Gribbet says...

abracadab wrote:
It is shameful to see how the car lobby are using the recent tragic death of a student to attack the recent improvements to the Lewes Road traffic scheme.
There are clearly no moral boundaries when you feel your 'freedom to drive' is being curtailed.
Very shameful
[quote][p][bold]abracadab[/bold] wrote: It is shameful to see how the car lobby are using the recent tragic death of a student to attack the recent improvements to the Lewes Road traffic scheme. There are clearly no moral boundaries when you feel your 'freedom to drive' is being curtailed.[/p][/quote]Very shameful Gribbet
  • Score: -6

8:03am Sun 9 Feb 14

Quiterie says...

HJarrs wrote:
Quiterie wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Well done Davey, bus ridership is up as is cycling in the city. Being hate figure No.1 of the moanerati shows you are doing something right and is something I think you can be proud of!

Many towns and cities across the country are following Brighton and Hove's lead in providing a choice of transport options. Tens of thousands of council tax paying households in the city do not own cars or do not soley use cars and have been largely ignored previously. At last, a tiny amount of our council tax is going towards cycling facilities, improved bus routes, bus information and pedestrainisation rather than spending all the transport element just on road vehicles. The council should also be congratulated for having to spend so little council tax while getting so much external funding and getting so much done, it has been extremely successful in bidding for various grants then getting on with the work.

How I look forward to my good Argus commenting friends celebrating the start of the work to improve as far as practicable, the Vogue Gyratory, a disgraceful deathrap that should never have been built.
Where's your evidence that cycling has increased under the Greens?
Well, I certainly see a lot more people cycling. The Lewes rd study also showed a 14% increase ( the counting methodology under represents cycling along that corridor). What is your evidence that the same or fewer are cycling?
You see a lot more people cycling? Thanks that's very scientific. In terms of the Lewes Road study, I have no confidence that the Council produce impartial accurate data (not just on cycling, but on anything). I have no evidence that the same or fewer are cycling. I never said this was the case!
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Well done Davey, bus ridership is up as is cycling in the city. Being hate figure No.1 of the moanerati shows you are doing something right and is something I think you can be proud of! Many towns and cities across the country are following Brighton and Hove's lead in providing a choice of transport options. Tens of thousands of council tax paying households in the city do not own cars or do not soley use cars and have been largely ignored previously. At last, a tiny amount of our council tax is going towards cycling facilities, improved bus routes, bus information and pedestrainisation rather than spending all the transport element just on road vehicles. The council should also be congratulated for having to spend so little council tax while getting so much external funding and getting so much done, it has been extremely successful in bidding for various grants then getting on with the work. How I look forward to my good Argus commenting friends celebrating the start of the work to improve as far as practicable, the Vogue Gyratory, a disgraceful deathrap that should never have been built.[/p][/quote]Where's your evidence that cycling has increased under the Greens?[/p][/quote]Well, I certainly see a lot more people cycling. The Lewes rd study also showed a 14% increase ( the counting methodology under represents cycling along that corridor). What is your evidence that the same or fewer are cycling?[/p][/quote]You see a lot more people cycling? Thanks that's very scientific. In terms of the Lewes Road study, I have no confidence that the Council produce impartial accurate data (not just on cycling, but on anything). I have no evidence that the same or fewer are cycling. I never said this was the case! Quiterie
  • Score: 7

8:33am Sun 9 Feb 14

upsidedowntuctuc says...

HJarrs wrote:
Well done Davey, bus ridership is up as is cycling in the city. Being hate figure No.1 of the moanerati shows you are doing something right and is something I think you can be proud of!

Many towns and cities across the country are following Brighton and Hove's lead in providing a choice of transport options. Tens of thousands of council tax paying households in the city do not own cars or do not soley use cars and have been largely ignored previously. At last, a tiny amount of our council tax is going towards cycling facilities, improved bus routes, bus information and pedestrainisation rather than spending all the transport element just on road vehicles. The council should also be congratulated for having to spend so little council tax while getting so much external funding and getting so much done, it has been extremely successful in bidding for various grants then getting on with the work.

How I look forward to my good Argus commenting friends celebrating the start of the work to improve as far as practicable, the Vogue Gyratory, a disgraceful deathrap that should never have been built.
Be a bigger death trap after your lot finish with it at our expense not only cash wise but time wise with massive delkays during and even more after the event

For what Oh yes Motorist pay back sad bunch of idiots

Less than 15 months to go
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Well done Davey, bus ridership is up as is cycling in the city. Being hate figure No.1 of the moanerati shows you are doing something right and is something I think you can be proud of! Many towns and cities across the country are following Brighton and Hove's lead in providing a choice of transport options. Tens of thousands of council tax paying households in the city do not own cars or do not soley use cars and have been largely ignored previously. At last, a tiny amount of our council tax is going towards cycling facilities, improved bus routes, bus information and pedestrainisation rather than spending all the transport element just on road vehicles. The council should also be congratulated for having to spend so little council tax while getting so much external funding and getting so much done, it has been extremely successful in bidding for various grants then getting on with the work. How I look forward to my good Argus commenting friends celebrating the start of the work to improve as far as practicable, the Vogue Gyratory, a disgraceful deathrap that should never have been built.[/p][/quote]Be a bigger death trap after your lot finish with it at our expense not only cash wise but time wise with massive delkays during and even more after the event For what Oh yes Motorist pay back sad bunch of idiots Less than 15 months to go upsidedowntuctuc
  • Score: 7

9:17am Sun 9 Feb 14

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! says...

HJarrs wrote:
Quiterie wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Well done Davey, bus ridership is up as is cycling in the city. Being hate figure No.1 of the moanerati shows you are doing something right and is something I think you can be proud of!

Many towns and cities across the country are following Brighton and Hove's lead in providing a choice of transport options. Tens of thousands of council tax paying households in the city do not own cars or do not soley use cars and have been largely ignored previously. At last, a tiny amount of our council tax is going towards cycling facilities, improved bus routes, bus information and pedestrainisation rather than spending all the transport element just on road vehicles. The council should also be congratulated for having to spend so little council tax while getting so much external funding and getting so much done, it has been extremely successful in bidding for various grants then getting on with the work.

How I look forward to my good Argus commenting friends celebrating the start of the work to improve as far as practicable, the Vogue Gyratory, a disgraceful deathrap that should never have been built.
Where's your evidence that cycling has increased under the Greens?
Well, I certainly see a lot more people cycling. The Lewes rd study also showed a 14% increase ( the counting methodology under represents cycling along that corridor). What is your evidence that the same or fewer are cycling?
HJ

Yours statistical approach is second to none.

Think of a point you want to make, dress it up 'Winston Churchill style' and then embellish it with anything that comes to mind. Absolute genius, is that why you also post under the name 'eugenius'?
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Well done Davey, bus ridership is up as is cycling in the city. Being hate figure No.1 of the moanerati shows you are doing something right and is something I think you can be proud of! Many towns and cities across the country are following Brighton and Hove's lead in providing a choice of transport options. Tens of thousands of council tax paying households in the city do not own cars or do not soley use cars and have been largely ignored previously. At last, a tiny amount of our council tax is going towards cycling facilities, improved bus routes, bus information and pedestrainisation rather than spending all the transport element just on road vehicles. The council should also be congratulated for having to spend so little council tax while getting so much external funding and getting so much done, it has been extremely successful in bidding for various grants then getting on with the work. How I look forward to my good Argus commenting friends celebrating the start of the work to improve as far as practicable, the Vogue Gyratory, a disgraceful deathrap that should never have been built.[/p][/quote]Where's your evidence that cycling has increased under the Greens?[/p][/quote]Well, I certainly see a lot more people cycling. The Lewes rd study also showed a 14% increase ( the counting methodology under represents cycling along that corridor). What is your evidence that the same or fewer are cycling?[/p][/quote]HJ Yours statistical approach is second to none. Think of a point you want to make, dress it up 'Winston Churchill style' and then embellish it with anything that comes to mind. Absolute genius, is that why you also post under the name 'eugenius'? I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars!
  • Score: 5

9:19am Sun 9 Feb 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

The Lewes Road has seen a 40 percent increase in taxi use. That's cars. Taxis are cars.
The speed of the Lewes Road has also changed. The road was a dual carriageway with one section at 40mph.
There are now little plastic signs saying its now 30mph.
At busy times the traffic moves at 11mph hence pedestrians entering the bus lane to then weave between traffic. You can watch this happen any day of the week at school start time and close time.
This phenomenon rarely happened before, possibly because when the traffic was at 40mph it looked fast and it was impossible to get a gap in two lanes of traffic going at that speed so you had to use the pelican crossings.
Now you have an apparent empty cycle and bus lane which people are crossing and then standing in the centre of the carriageway to get across the road. Someone will be killed doing this particularly as the buses and taxis are weaving in and out.
Watch it for yourselves at the Lectern Pub, The Avenue, Barcombe road and Ringmer.
As for design the council have attempted to ease traffic in Coombe road which is now a rat run by vehicles going over Falmer and coming back down into town. The council have turned our residential street with a primary schoo on it, speed humps and chicanes to slow traffic, into a major road by creating three lanes at the Lewes Road junction and guess what, vehicles turning left from Lewes Road to head up Coombe end up nose to nose with traffic now waiting in a new right turn lane. Last week a huge German lorry got stuck turning wedged against the tree on the corner on his left and the lane of cars trying to exit coombe on the right. The buses now face the same problem. So thanks to this council it has formally approved a rat run for its Eco scheme which trashed our community.
So Mr Davey one fatality and one broken neck and not one green poster has the humility to accept that an investigation should be held.
That is exactly why they are not fit to reprsent people because their policies come before people and at any cost.
Mr Davey, HJarrs someone will be injured again in the Lewes Road as I warned in September 2013 on a post on this site. We lost one lady on the shared cycle lane which was supposed to be safe and you took action to improve the safety of a death trap cycle lane, why won't you do the same on the Lewes Road, probably because you put your political career and Pr for the scheme above people.
It's too late though, the statistics are recorded. The route needs safety improvements urgently.
The Lewes Road has seen a 40 percent increase in taxi use. That's cars. Taxis are cars. The speed of the Lewes Road has also changed. The road was a dual carriageway with one section at 40mph. There are now little plastic signs saying its now 30mph. At busy times the traffic moves at 11mph hence pedestrians entering the bus lane to then weave between traffic. You can watch this happen any day of the week at school start time and close time. This phenomenon rarely happened before, possibly because when the traffic was at 40mph it looked fast and it was impossible to get a gap in two lanes of traffic going at that speed so you had to use the pelican crossings. Now you have an apparent empty cycle and bus lane which people are crossing and then standing in the centre of the carriageway to get across the road. Someone will be killed doing this particularly as the buses and taxis are weaving in and out. Watch it for yourselves at the Lectern Pub, The Avenue, Barcombe road and Ringmer. As for design the council have attempted to ease traffic in Coombe road which is now a rat run by vehicles going over Falmer and coming back down into town. The council have turned our residential street with a primary schoo on it, speed humps and chicanes to slow traffic, into a major road by creating three lanes at the Lewes Road junction and guess what, vehicles turning left from Lewes Road to head up Coombe end up nose to nose with traffic now waiting in a new right turn lane. Last week a huge German lorry got stuck turning wedged against the tree on the corner on his left and the lane of cars trying to exit coombe on the right. The buses now face the same problem. So thanks to this council it has formally approved a rat run for its Eco scheme which trashed our community. So Mr Davey one fatality and one broken neck and not one green poster has the humility to accept that an investigation should be held. That is exactly why they are not fit to reprsent people because their policies come before people and at any cost. Mr Davey, HJarrs someone will be injured again in the Lewes Road as I warned in September 2013 on a post on this site. We lost one lady on the shared cycle lane which was supposed to be safe and you took action to improve the safety of a death trap cycle lane, why won't you do the same on the Lewes Road, probably because you put your political career and Pr for the scheme above people. It's too late though, the statistics are recorded. The route needs safety improvements urgently. Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: 7

9:29am Sun 9 Feb 14

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! says...

HJ - Doesn't like to have to deal with truths, so please don't raise points/challenges that force him into a corner.
HJ - Doesn't like to have to deal with truths, so please don't raise points/challenges that force him into a corner. I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars!
  • Score: 5

9:39am Sun 9 Feb 14

Gribbet says...

Quiterie wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Well done Davey, bus ridership is up as is cycling in the city. Being hate figure No.1 of the moanerati shows you are doing something right and is something I think you can be proud of!

Many towns and cities across the country are following Brighton and Hove's lead in providing a choice of transport options. Tens of thousands of council tax paying households in the city do not own cars or do not soley use cars and have been largely ignored previously. At last, a tiny amount of our council tax is going towards cycling facilities, improved bus routes, bus information and pedestrainisation rather than spending all the transport element just on road vehicles. The council should also be congratulated for having to spend so little council tax while getting so much external funding and getting so much done, it has been extremely successful in bidding for various grants then getting on with the work.

How I look forward to my good Argus commenting friends celebrating the start of the work to improve as far as practicable, the Vogue Gyratory, a disgraceful deathrap that should never have been built.
Where's your evidence that cycling has increased under the Greens?
Nothing to do with the greens apart from coincidence, but in 2012, 3.6 million bicycles were sold in Britain compared with 2 million cars, this would lead me to suspect that cycling is becoming more popular. Same trend is happening all across Europe too, bikes outselling cars for the first time since WW2. I think that justifies the expense and temporary disruption of having a few cycle lanes installed around town.
[quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Well done Davey, bus ridership is up as is cycling in the city. Being hate figure No.1 of the moanerati shows you are doing something right and is something I think you can be proud of! Many towns and cities across the country are following Brighton and Hove's lead in providing a choice of transport options. Tens of thousands of council tax paying households in the city do not own cars or do not soley use cars and have been largely ignored previously. At last, a tiny amount of our council tax is going towards cycling facilities, improved bus routes, bus information and pedestrainisation rather than spending all the transport element just on road vehicles. The council should also be congratulated for having to spend so little council tax while getting so much external funding and getting so much done, it has been extremely successful in bidding for various grants then getting on with the work. How I look forward to my good Argus commenting friends celebrating the start of the work to improve as far as practicable, the Vogue Gyratory, a disgraceful deathrap that should never have been built.[/p][/quote]Where's your evidence that cycling has increased under the Greens?[/p][/quote]Nothing to do with the greens apart from coincidence, but in 2012, 3.6 million bicycles were sold in Britain compared with 2 million cars, this would lead me to suspect that cycling is becoming more popular. Same trend is happening all across Europe too, bikes outselling cars for the first time since WW2. I think that justifies the expense and temporary disruption of having a few cycle lanes installed around town. Gribbet
  • Score: -3

9:48am Sun 9 Feb 14

mimseycal says...

@ HJarrs 2:21pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Improving as far as practicable in this instance is acting for actions' sake. A costly and fruitless exercise at the best of times and in this instance a waste of time, money and effort.
@ HJarrs 2:21pm Sat 8 Feb 14 Improving as far as practicable in this instance is acting for actions' sake. A costly and fruitless exercise at the best of times and in this instance a waste of time, money and effort. mimseycal
  • Score: 2

9:57am Sun 9 Feb 14

mimseycal says...

@ HJarrs 3:12 Sat 8 Feb 14

"Not only that Gribbet, but as I have often pointed out to my good friends on here, despite cuts to council services, government grants will be available to improve bus and cycle lanes with matching funds coming from parking revenues."

Which explains why the Greens have raised the Parking Charges so much. But who pays for the hours spent writing the funding applications by tax payer funded council officers?
@ HJarrs 3:12 Sat 8 Feb 14 "Not only that Gribbet, but as I have often pointed out to my good friends on here, despite cuts to council services, government grants will be available to improve bus and cycle lanes with matching funds coming from parking revenues." Which explains why the Greens have raised the Parking Charges so much. But who pays for the hours spent writing the funding applications by tax payer funded council officers? mimseycal
  • Score: 4

9:57am Sun 9 Feb 14

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! says...

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! wrote:
HJ - Doesn't like to have to deal with truths, so please don't raise points/challenges that force him into a corner.
See whats happened. HJ is now posting as Gribbet
[quote][p][bold]I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars![/bold] wrote: HJ - Doesn't like to have to deal with truths, so please don't raise points/challenges that force him into a corner.[/p][/quote]See whats happened. HJ is now posting as Gribbet I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars!
  • Score: 4

10:07am Sun 9 Feb 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

Bicycle fanatics multi purchase. I have three. Weekend cycling and off road hobby cyclists are also a huge market and these cycles are often carried on cars to off road locations as are road bikes to favoured routes ie Box Hill. I saw two BMX ers take their bikes out of their ford fiesta at the level. hobby cycling has become popular but perhaps the everyday commuting or day to day cycling. I live in a street with 30 student houses and I only see one student cycling. The student bus tickets are much better value and less effort.
The reality is there are the same old faces cycling on the Lewes road and the atrocious weather has scuppered many many cycling events and cyclists. That's the reality, 70mph winds are not welcomed by anyone on two wheels. .
Bicycle fanatics multi purchase. I have three. Weekend cycling and off road hobby cyclists are also a huge market and these cycles are often carried on cars to off road locations as are road bikes to favoured routes ie Box Hill. I saw two BMX ers take their bikes out of their ford fiesta at the level. hobby cycling has become popular but perhaps the everyday commuting or day to day cycling. I live in a street with 30 student houses and I only see one student cycling. The student bus tickets are much better value and less effort. The reality is there are the same old faces cycling on the Lewes road and the atrocious weather has scuppered many many cycling events and cyclists. That's the reality, 70mph winds are not welcomed by anyone on two wheels. . Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: 5

10:23am Sun 9 Feb 14

Gribbet says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
The Lewes Road has seen a 40 percent increase in taxi use. That's cars. Taxis are cars.
The speed of the Lewes Road has also changed. The road was a dual carriageway with one section at 40mph.
There are now little plastic signs saying its now 30mph.
At busy times the traffic moves at 11mph hence pedestrians entering the bus lane to then weave between traffic. You can watch this happen any day of the week at school start time and close time.
This phenomenon rarely happened before, possibly because when the traffic was at 40mph it looked fast and it was impossible to get a gap in two lanes of traffic going at that speed so you had to use the pelican crossings.
Now you have an apparent empty cycle and bus lane which people are crossing and then standing in the centre of the carriageway to get across the road. Someone will be killed doing this particularly as the buses and taxis are weaving in and out.
Watch it for yourselves at the Lectern Pub, The Avenue, Barcombe road and Ringmer.
As for design the council have attempted to ease traffic in Coombe road which is now a rat run by vehicles going over Falmer and coming back down into town. The council have turned our residential street with a primary schoo on it, speed humps and chicanes to slow traffic, into a major road by creating three lanes at the Lewes Road junction and guess what, vehicles turning left from Lewes Road to head up Coombe end up nose to nose with traffic now waiting in a new right turn lane. Last week a huge German lorry got stuck turning wedged against the tree on the corner on his left and the lane of cars trying to exit coombe on the right. The buses now face the same problem. So thanks to this council it has formally approved a rat run for its Eco scheme which trashed our community.
So Mr Davey one fatality and one broken neck and not one green poster has the humility to accept that an investigation should be held.
That is exactly why they are not fit to reprsent people because their policies come before people and at any cost.
Mr Davey, HJarrs someone will be injured again in the Lewes Road as I warned in September 2013 on a post on this site. We lost one lady on the shared cycle lane which was supposed to be safe and you took action to improve the safety of a death trap cycle lane, why won't you do the same on the Lewes Road, probably because you put your political career and Pr for the scheme above people.
It's too late though, the statistics are recorded. The route needs safety improvements urgently.
Can people read that article about the guy breaking his neck again, because they seem to have conveniently forgotten a very important detail, which was that the guy himself couldn't remember and had no idea what caused him to come off his bike. Sure, could be to do with the layout, could also be to do with a freak hit and run, could have been a medical issue, could just as easily be to do with the guy just not concentrating and falling off his bike, like all cyclists have done in their time.

The man himself doesn't know what happened, you definitely don't know what happened, so stop trying to dress that up as some kind of evidence to back up your obsessive theory that Lewes Road is more fatally flawed than other roads round town where deaths occur and cycling accidents occur.

As for the poor girl who died recently, again, you yourself (and others on here) have no idea what caused the accident, so stop hijacking her misfortune to back up your arguments. It's also pretty clear that it isn't accidents or safety you care about, you guys just hate the fact that you've been slowed down and your journey times have slightly increased. If you cared about people's safety, why do you only talk about Lewes Road and not talk about the town or country as a whole? If it's really people's safety that you care about, why not look at the accidents that occur in other parts of town and champion a cause to have other roads investigated too? We know the answer to this, it's because you don't get stuck in traffic there, so you don't care.

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[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: The Lewes Road has seen a 40 percent increase in taxi use. That's cars. Taxis are cars. The speed of the Lewes Road has also changed. The road was a dual carriageway with one section at 40mph. There are now little plastic signs saying its now 30mph. At busy times the traffic moves at 11mph hence pedestrians entering the bus lane to then weave between traffic. You can watch this happen any day of the week at school start time and close time. This phenomenon rarely happened before, possibly because when the traffic was at 40mph it looked fast and it was impossible to get a gap in two lanes of traffic going at that speed so you had to use the pelican crossings. Now you have an apparent empty cycle and bus lane which people are crossing and then standing in the centre of the carriageway to get across the road. Someone will be killed doing this particularly as the buses and taxis are weaving in and out. Watch it for yourselves at the Lectern Pub, The Avenue, Barcombe road and Ringmer. As for design the council have attempted to ease traffic in Coombe road which is now a rat run by vehicles going over Falmer and coming back down into town. The council have turned our residential street with a primary schoo on it, speed humps and chicanes to slow traffic, into a major road by creating three lanes at the Lewes Road junction and guess what, vehicles turning left from Lewes Road to head up Coombe end up nose to nose with traffic now waiting in a new right turn lane. Last week a huge German lorry got stuck turning wedged against the tree on the corner on his left and the lane of cars trying to exit coombe on the right. The buses now face the same problem. So thanks to this council it has formally approved a rat run for its Eco scheme which trashed our community. So Mr Davey one fatality and one broken neck and not one green poster has the humility to accept that an investigation should be held. That is exactly why they are not fit to reprsent people because their policies come before people and at any cost. Mr Davey, HJarrs someone will be injured again in the Lewes Road as I warned in September 2013 on a post on this site. We lost one lady on the shared cycle lane which was supposed to be safe and you took action to improve the safety of a death trap cycle lane, why won't you do the same on the Lewes Road, probably because you put your political career and Pr for the scheme above people. It's too late though, the statistics are recorded. The route needs safety improvements urgently.[/p][/quote]Can people read that article about the guy breaking his neck again, because they seem to have conveniently forgotten a very important detail, which was that the guy himself couldn't remember and had no idea what caused him to come off his bike. Sure, could be to do with the layout, could also be to do with a freak hit and run, could have been a medical issue, could just as easily be to do with the guy just not concentrating and falling off his bike, like all cyclists have done in their time. The man himself doesn't know what happened, you definitely don't know what happened, so stop trying to dress that up as some kind of evidence to back up your obsessive theory that Lewes Road is more fatally flawed than other roads round town where deaths occur and cycling accidents occur. As for the poor girl who died recently, again, you yourself (and others on here) have no idea what caused the accident, so stop hijacking her misfortune to back up your arguments. It's also pretty clear that it isn't accidents or safety you care about, you guys just hate the fact that you've been slowed down and your journey times have slightly increased. If you cared about people's safety, why do you only talk about Lewes Road and not talk about the town or country as a whole? If it's really people's safety that you care about, why not look at the accidents that occur in other parts of town and champion a cause to have other roads investigated too? We know the answer to this, it's because you don't get stuck in traffic there, so you don't care. http://www.theguardi an.co m/news/datablog/inte ract ive/2013/nov/16/inte ractive e-map-britain-cyclin g-casu alties Gribbet
  • Score: -2

10:36am Sun 9 Feb 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

My call is for an independent review of the road.
Would you accept that as a good idea. Grabbet?
My call is for an independent review of the road. Would you accept that as a good idea. Grabbet? Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: 5

10:37am Sun 9 Feb 14

HJarrs says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Bicycle fanatics multi purchase. I have three. Weekend cycling and off road hobby cyclists are also a huge market and these cycles are often carried on cars to off road locations as are road bikes to favoured routes ie Box Hill. I saw two BMX ers take their bikes out of their ford fiesta at the level. hobby cycling has become popular but perhaps the everyday commuting or day to day cycling. I live in a street with 30 student houses and I only see one student cycling. The student bus tickets are much better value and less effort.
The reality is there are the same old faces cycling on the Lewes road and the atrocious weather has scuppered many many cycling events and cyclists. That's the reality, 70mph winds are not welcomed by anyone on two wheels. .
Why do you hate cyclists? You never post anything positive, you rabbit on about how great a cyclist you are, then pour scorn and vitriol on even the slightest move to encourage more people to cycle. Why is this Maxwell?
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Bicycle fanatics multi purchase. I have three. Weekend cycling and off road hobby cyclists are also a huge market and these cycles are often carried on cars to off road locations as are road bikes to favoured routes ie Box Hill. I saw two BMX ers take their bikes out of their ford fiesta at the level. hobby cycling has become popular but perhaps the everyday commuting or day to day cycling. I live in a street with 30 student houses and I only see one student cycling. The student bus tickets are much better value and less effort. The reality is there are the same old faces cycling on the Lewes road and the atrocious weather has scuppered many many cycling events and cyclists. That's the reality, 70mph winds are not welcomed by anyone on two wheels. .[/p][/quote]Why do you hate cyclists? You never post anything positive, you rabbit on about how great a cyclist you are, then pour scorn and vitriol on even the slightest move to encourage more people to cycle. Why is this Maxwell? HJarrs
  • Score: -6

10:37am Sun 9 Feb 14

Plantpot says...

HJarrs wrote:
Quiterie wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Well done Davey, bus ridership is up as is cycling in the city. Being hate figure No.1 of the moanerati shows you are doing something right and is something I think you can be proud of!

Many towns and cities across the country are following Brighton and Hove's lead in providing a choice of transport options. Tens of thousands of council tax paying households in the city do not own cars or do not soley use cars and have been largely ignored previously. At last, a tiny amount of our council tax is going towards cycling facilities, improved bus routes, bus information and pedestrainisation rather than spending all the transport element just on road vehicles. The council should also be congratulated for having to spend so little council tax while getting so much external funding and getting so much done, it has been extremely successful in bidding for various grants then getting on with the work.

How I look forward to my good Argus commenting friends celebrating the start of the work to improve as far as practicable, the Vogue Gyratory, a disgraceful deathrap that should never have been built.
Where's your evidence that cycling has increased under the Greens?
Well, I certainly see a lot more people cycling. The Lewes rd study also showed a 14% increase ( the counting methodology under represents cycling along that corridor). What is your evidence that the same or fewer are cycling?
This is like ther MP that has no evidence but states that their constituents are all telling them something.

I live near the OSR cycle lane, and see very few using it.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Well done Davey, bus ridership is up as is cycling in the city. Being hate figure No.1 of the moanerati shows you are doing something right and is something I think you can be proud of! Many towns and cities across the country are following Brighton and Hove's lead in providing a choice of transport options. Tens of thousands of council tax paying households in the city do not own cars or do not soley use cars and have been largely ignored previously. At last, a tiny amount of our council tax is going towards cycling facilities, improved bus routes, bus information and pedestrainisation rather than spending all the transport element just on road vehicles. The council should also be congratulated for having to spend so little council tax while getting so much external funding and getting so much done, it has been extremely successful in bidding for various grants then getting on with the work. How I look forward to my good Argus commenting friends celebrating the start of the work to improve as far as practicable, the Vogue Gyratory, a disgraceful deathrap that should never have been built.[/p][/quote]Where's your evidence that cycling has increased under the Greens?[/p][/quote]Well, I certainly see a lot more people cycling. The Lewes rd study also showed a 14% increase ( the counting methodology under represents cycling along that corridor). What is your evidence that the same or fewer are cycling?[/p][/quote]This is like ther MP that has no evidence but states that their constituents are all telling them something. I live near the OSR cycle lane, and see very few using it. Plantpot
  • Score: 5

10:45am Sun 9 Feb 14

Gribbet says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Bicycle fanatics multi purchase. I have three. Weekend cycling and off road hobby cyclists are also a huge market and these cycles are often carried on cars to off road locations as are road bikes to favoured routes ie Box Hill. I saw two BMX ers take their bikes out of their ford fiesta at the level. hobby cycling has become popular but perhaps the everyday commuting or day to day cycling. I live in a street with 30 student houses and I only see one student cycling. The student bus tickets are much better value and less effort.
The reality is there are the same old faces cycling on the Lewes road and the atrocious weather has scuppered many many cycling events and cyclists. That's the reality, 70mph winds are not welcomed by anyone on two wheels. .
Nice theory, you know lots about people's cycling habits, now tell everyone about the growing boom in road and commuter cycling?
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Bicycle fanatics multi purchase. I have three. Weekend cycling and off road hobby cyclists are also a huge market and these cycles are often carried on cars to off road locations as are road bikes to favoured routes ie Box Hill. I saw two BMX ers take their bikes out of their ford fiesta at the level. hobby cycling has become popular but perhaps the everyday commuting or day to day cycling. I live in a street with 30 student houses and I only see one student cycling. The student bus tickets are much better value and less effort. The reality is there are the same old faces cycling on the Lewes road and the atrocious weather has scuppered many many cycling events and cyclists. That's the reality, 70mph winds are not welcomed by anyone on two wheels. .[/p][/quote]Nice theory, you know lots about people's cycling habits, now tell everyone about the growing boom in road and commuter cycling? Gribbet
  • Score: -3

11:23am Sun 9 Feb 14

Gribbet says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
My call is for an independent review of the road.
Would you accept that as a good idea. Grabbet?
I don't think Lewes Road needs an independent review any more than the numerous other roads around town where people have serious accidents. The only interest you have in Lewes road is a selfish one, you just want to get from A to B a few minutes quicker, stop pretending it's because you care about other people's safety.
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: My call is for an independent review of the road. Would you accept that as a good idea. Grabbet?[/p][/quote]I don't think Lewes Road needs an independent review any more than the numerous other roads around town where people have serious accidents. The only interest you have in Lewes road is a selfish one, you just want to get from A to B a few minutes quicker, stop pretending it's because you care about other people's safety. Gribbet
  • Score: -5

11:23am Sun 9 Feb 14

Plantpot says...

HJarrs wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Bicycle fanatics multi purchase. I have three. Weekend cycling and off road hobby cyclists are also a huge market and these cycles are often carried on cars to off road locations as are road bikes to favoured routes ie Box Hill. I saw two BMX ers take their bikes out of their ford fiesta at the level. hobby cycling has become popular but perhaps the everyday commuting or day to day cycling. I live in a street with 30 student houses and I only see one student cycling. The student bus tickets are much better value and less effort.
The reality is there are the same old faces cycling on the Lewes road and the atrocious weather has scuppered many many cycling events and cyclists. That's the reality, 70mph winds are not welcomed by anyone on two wheels. .
Why do you hate cyclists? You never post anything positive, you rabbit on about how great a cyclist you are, then pour scorn and vitriol on even the slightest move to encourage more people to cycle. Why is this Maxwell?
Cyclists are an open goal because the few that do use the road believe they are too cool to do anything as banal as follow the highway code.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Bicycle fanatics multi purchase. I have three. Weekend cycling and off road hobby cyclists are also a huge market and these cycles are often carried on cars to off road locations as are road bikes to favoured routes ie Box Hill. I saw two BMX ers take their bikes out of their ford fiesta at the level. hobby cycling has become popular but perhaps the everyday commuting or day to day cycling. I live in a street with 30 student houses and I only see one student cycling. The student bus tickets are much better value and less effort. The reality is there are the same old faces cycling on the Lewes road and the atrocious weather has scuppered many many cycling events and cyclists. That's the reality, 70mph winds are not welcomed by anyone on two wheels. .[/p][/quote]Why do you hate cyclists? You never post anything positive, you rabbit on about how great a cyclist you are, then pour scorn and vitriol on even the slightest move to encourage more people to cycle. Why is this Maxwell?[/p][/quote]Cyclists are an open goal because the few that do use the road believe they are too cool to do anything as banal as follow the highway code. Plantpot
  • Score: 6

11:59am Sun 9 Feb 14

Gribbet says...

Plantpot wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Bicycle fanatics multi purchase. I have three. Weekend cycling and off road hobby cyclists are also a huge market and these cycles are often carried on cars to off road locations as are road bikes to favoured routes ie Box Hill. I saw two BMX ers take their bikes out of their ford fiesta at the level. hobby cycling has become popular but perhaps the everyday commuting or day to day cycling. I live in a street with 30 student houses and I only see one student cycling. The student bus tickets are much better value and less effort.
The reality is there are the same old faces cycling on the Lewes road and the atrocious weather has scuppered many many cycling events and cyclists. That's the reality, 70mph winds are not welcomed by anyone on two wheels. .
Why do you hate cyclists? You never post anything positive, you rabbit on about how great a cyclist you are, then pour scorn and vitriol on even the slightest move to encourage more people to cycle. Why is this Maxwell?
Cyclists are an open goal because the few that do use the road believe they are too cool to do anything as banal as follow the highway code.
How long ago was it that you last read-up on the highway code? Do you own a copy of the handbook? Have you revised the highway code since passing your driving test?

In my case I haven't read-up on the highway code since passing my driving test in 1995 and I don't own a copy, yourself?
[quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Bicycle fanatics multi purchase. I have three. Weekend cycling and off road hobby cyclists are also a huge market and these cycles are often carried on cars to off road locations as are road bikes to favoured routes ie Box Hill. I saw two BMX ers take their bikes out of their ford fiesta at the level. hobby cycling has become popular but perhaps the everyday commuting or day to day cycling. I live in a street with 30 student houses and I only see one student cycling. The student bus tickets are much better value and less effort. The reality is there are the same old faces cycling on the Lewes road and the atrocious weather has scuppered many many cycling events and cyclists. That's the reality, 70mph winds are not welcomed by anyone on two wheels. .[/p][/quote]Why do you hate cyclists? You never post anything positive, you rabbit on about how great a cyclist you are, then pour scorn and vitriol on even the slightest move to encourage more people to cycle. Why is this Maxwell?[/p][/quote]Cyclists are an open goal because the few that do use the road believe they are too cool to do anything as banal as follow the highway code.[/p][/quote]How long ago was it that you last read-up on the highway code? Do you own a copy of the handbook? Have you revised the highway code since passing your driving test? In my case I haven't read-up on the highway code since passing my driving test in 1995 and I don't own a copy, yourself? Gribbet
  • Score: -2

12:46pm Sun 9 Feb 14

Quiterie says...

Gribbet wrote:
Quiterie wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Well done Davey, bus ridership is up as is cycling in the city. Being hate figure No.1 of the moanerati shows you are doing something right and is something I think you can be proud of!

Many towns and cities across the country are following Brighton and Hove's lead in providing a choice of transport options. Tens of thousands of council tax paying households in the city do not own cars or do not soley use cars and have been largely ignored previously. At last, a tiny amount of our council tax is going towards cycling facilities, improved bus routes, bus information and pedestrainisation rather than spending all the transport element just on road vehicles. The council should also be congratulated for having to spend so little council tax while getting so much external funding and getting so much done, it has been extremely successful in bidding for various grants then getting on with the work.

How I look forward to my good Argus commenting friends celebrating the start of the work to improve as far as practicable, the Vogue Gyratory, a disgraceful deathrap that should never have been built.
Where's your evidence that cycling has increased under the Greens?
Nothing to do with the greens apart from coincidence, but in 2012, 3.6 million bicycles were sold in Britain compared with 2 million cars, this would lead me to suspect that cycling is becoming more popular. Same trend is happening all across Europe too, bikes outselling cars for the first time since WW2. I think that justifies the expense and temporary disruption of having a few cycle lanes installed around town.
You've given me one meaningless data point. That's not a 'trend' is it? You don't work for the Council do you?
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Well done Davey, bus ridership is up as is cycling in the city. Being hate figure No.1 of the moanerati shows you are doing something right and is something I think you can be proud of! Many towns and cities across the country are following Brighton and Hove's lead in providing a choice of transport options. Tens of thousands of council tax paying households in the city do not own cars or do not soley use cars and have been largely ignored previously. At last, a tiny amount of our council tax is going towards cycling facilities, improved bus routes, bus information and pedestrainisation rather than spending all the transport element just on road vehicles. The council should also be congratulated for having to spend so little council tax while getting so much external funding and getting so much done, it has been extremely successful in bidding for various grants then getting on with the work. How I look forward to my good Argus commenting friends celebrating the start of the work to improve as far as practicable, the Vogue Gyratory, a disgraceful deathrap that should never have been built.[/p][/quote]Where's your evidence that cycling has increased under the Greens?[/p][/quote]Nothing to do with the greens apart from coincidence, but in 2012, 3.6 million bicycles were sold in Britain compared with 2 million cars, this would lead me to suspect that cycling is becoming more popular. Same trend is happening all across Europe too, bikes outselling cars for the first time since WW2. I think that justifies the expense and temporary disruption of having a few cycle lanes installed around town.[/p][/quote]You've given me one meaningless data point. That's not a 'trend' is it? You don't work for the Council do you? Quiterie
  • Score: 4

12:57pm Sun 9 Feb 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

I hate councils pretending to help cyclists when it's a nonsense. It's the lies I hate. The Lewes Road cycle lane has existed for years.p and even with 30,000 students in town a minute number cycle. I live in as student area and I see one cyclist coming out of all the houses. With regards to the Lewes Road cycle lane, the only thing which has changed is some bus stops were moved in front of the lane, but not all of them but you are claiming this as some fantastic cycling victory. It isn't as the lane has been used by me for more than a decade. Nothing has changed.
However, you have done nothing to deal with the dreadful road surfaces on all roads approaching the lane which is baffling. It's one big bone shaking pot hole avoiding arcade game on two wheels. Go on HJarrs take an open minded ride and check it out.
Take a ride along the Upper Lewes Road, ride along the section outside the old technical college at the bottom of Southover street. Try Baker Street with all of these you end up in the centre of the road which is dangerous.
Then try and navigate a bike east to west across town, due to the silly one way systems it's a mess. Try and navigate the North Laine area on a bike, no entries and one ways everywhere. It's the same with st James street and why cyclists go the wrong way down it. long diversions which in a car ride are short but on a bike add to the unnecessary irritations.
If you were a genuine daily cyclist HJarrs, instead of a Sunday stroller, you would understand the reality of cycling in town.
Have you ever tried to lock your bike at the post office collection office in North Road or outside any of the doctors surgeries or the hospitals.
Only recently has the railway station installed some excellent racks.
Your interest in cycling is for PR for yourself and your party. Mine is the reality of it.
My reality is I have an expensive commuting bike and a crappy Brighton town bike as bikes locked in town sadly get vandalised and wheels stamped on. You have to carry two locks to reduce the risk of being nicked, when I get home I have to lift my bike onto my shoulder up some steps and through the house to the back garden as I live in a terrace.
As I do this the bike hits the walls, the doors etc. when I commuted in London I had a bike I rode to Brighton station and another crappy one parked in London as I wasn't allowed to have my bike on the train.
That's the reality of cycling in this city. That's why this isn't oxford where you see thousands of uni students cycling. You just don't here. It's not flat, it's not suitable for most people and he housing and accommodation doesn't lend itself to making it accessible to all.
I object to parties in parks for cycling schemes when the lane existed for decades.
It makes you look ridiculous but this was not about cycling it was a political pr exercise.
I hate councils pretending to help cyclists when it's a nonsense. It's the lies I hate. The Lewes Road cycle lane has existed for years.p and even with 30,000 students in town a minute number cycle. I live in as student area and I see one cyclist coming out of all the houses. With regards to the Lewes Road cycle lane, the only thing which has changed is some bus stops were moved in front of the lane, but not all of them but you are claiming this as some fantastic cycling victory. It isn't as the lane has been used by me for more than a decade. Nothing has changed. However, you have done nothing to deal with the dreadful road surfaces on all roads approaching the lane which is baffling. It's one big bone shaking pot hole avoiding arcade game on two wheels. Go on HJarrs take an open minded ride and check it out. Take a ride along the Upper Lewes Road, ride along the section outside the old technical college at the bottom of Southover street. Try Baker Street with all of these you end up in the centre of the road which is dangerous. Then try and navigate a bike east to west across town, due to the silly one way systems it's a mess. Try and navigate the North Laine area on a bike, no entries and one ways everywhere. It's the same with st James street and why cyclists go the wrong way down it. long diversions which in a car ride are short but on a bike add to the unnecessary irritations. If you were a genuine daily cyclist HJarrs, instead of a Sunday stroller, you would understand the reality of cycling in town. Have you ever tried to lock your bike at the post office collection office in North Road or outside any of the doctors surgeries or the hospitals. Only recently has the railway station installed some excellent racks. Your interest in cycling is for PR for yourself and your party. Mine is the reality of it. My reality is I have an expensive commuting bike and a crappy Brighton town bike as bikes locked in town sadly get vandalised and wheels stamped on. You have to carry two locks to reduce the risk of being nicked, when I get home I have to lift my bike onto my shoulder up some steps and through the house to the back garden as I live in a terrace. As I do this the bike hits the walls, the doors etc. when I commuted in London I had a bike I rode to Brighton station and another crappy one parked in London as I wasn't allowed to have my bike on the train. That's the reality of cycling in this city. That's why this isn't oxford where you see thousands of uni students cycling. You just don't here. It's not flat, it's not suitable for most people and he housing and accommodation doesn't lend itself to making it accessible to all. I object to parties in parks for cycling schemes when the lane existed for decades. It makes you look ridiculous but this was not about cycling it was a political pr exercise. Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: 10

12:59pm Sun 9 Feb 14

Plantpot says...

Gribbet wrote:
Plantpot wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Bicycle fanatics multi purchase. I have three. Weekend cycling and off road hobby cyclists are also a huge market and these cycles are often carried on cars to off road locations as are road bikes to favoured routes ie Box Hill. I saw two BMX ers take their bikes out of their ford fiesta at the level. hobby cycling has become popular but perhaps the everyday commuting or day to day cycling. I live in a street with 30 student houses and I only see one student cycling. The student bus tickets are much better value and less effort.
The reality is there are the same old faces cycling on the Lewes road and the atrocious weather has scuppered many many cycling events and cyclists. That's the reality, 70mph winds are not welcomed by anyone on two wheels. .
Why do you hate cyclists? You never post anything positive, you rabbit on about how great a cyclist you are, then pour scorn and vitriol on even the slightest move to encourage more people to cycle. Why is this Maxwell?
Cyclists are an open goal because the few that do use the road believe they are too cool to do anything as banal as follow the highway code.
How long ago was it that you last read-up on the highway code? Do you own a copy of the handbook? Have you revised the highway code since passing your driving test?

In my case I haven't read-up on the highway code since passing my driving test in 1995 and I don't own a copy, yourself?
In actual fact he Highway Code is available on line. As a point of interest, I do look at things from time to time, especially where I spot a trend that defies common sense, for eaxample, if you want to go straight ahead at a roundabout, which lane should you be in, whether or not indicators should be used on a roundabout or the circumstances under which fog lamps can be used.

You would do well to read the Rospa report on cycling accidents which has also triggered my renewed interest in the highway code. When I was at school you were only allowed to use a bike to school if you had passed your cycling proficiency test. Many of the manouevres that get cyclists hurt are of their own making.
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Bicycle fanatics multi purchase. I have three. Weekend cycling and off road hobby cyclists are also a huge market and these cycles are often carried on cars to off road locations as are road bikes to favoured routes ie Box Hill. I saw two BMX ers take their bikes out of their ford fiesta at the level. hobby cycling has become popular but perhaps the everyday commuting or day to day cycling. I live in a street with 30 student houses and I only see one student cycling. The student bus tickets are much better value and less effort. The reality is there are the same old faces cycling on the Lewes road and the atrocious weather has scuppered many many cycling events and cyclists. That's the reality, 70mph winds are not welcomed by anyone on two wheels. .[/p][/quote]Why do you hate cyclists? You never post anything positive, you rabbit on about how great a cyclist you are, then pour scorn and vitriol on even the slightest move to encourage more people to cycle. Why is this Maxwell?[/p][/quote]Cyclists are an open goal because the few that do use the road believe they are too cool to do anything as banal as follow the highway code.[/p][/quote]How long ago was it that you last read-up on the highway code? Do you own a copy of the handbook? Have you revised the highway code since passing your driving test? In my case I haven't read-up on the highway code since passing my driving test in 1995 and I don't own a copy, yourself?[/p][/quote]In actual fact he Highway Code is available on line. As a point of interest, I do look at things from time to time, especially where I spot a trend that defies common sense, for eaxample, if you want to go straight ahead at a roundabout, which lane should you be in, whether or not indicators should be used on a roundabout or the circumstances under which fog lamps can be used. You would do well to read the Rospa report on cycling accidents which has also triggered my renewed interest in the highway code. When I was at school you were only allowed to use a bike to school if you had passed your cycling proficiency test. Many of the manouevres that get cyclists hurt are of their own making. Plantpot
  • Score: 4

1:00pm Sun 9 Feb 14

Gribbet says...

Quiterie wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Quiterie wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Well done Davey, bus ridership is up as is cycling in the city. Being hate figure No.1 of the moanerati shows you are doing something right and is something I think you can be proud of!

Many towns and cities across the country are following Brighton and Hove's lead in providing a choice of transport options. Tens of thousands of council tax paying households in the city do not own cars or do not soley use cars and have been largely ignored previously. At last, a tiny amount of our council tax is going towards cycling facilities, improved bus routes, bus information and pedestrainisation rather than spending all the transport element just on road vehicles. The council should also be congratulated for having to spend so little council tax while getting so much external funding and getting so much done, it has been extremely successful in bidding for various grants then getting on with the work.

How I look forward to my good Argus commenting friends celebrating the start of the work to improve as far as practicable, the Vogue Gyratory, a disgraceful deathrap that should never have been built.
Where's your evidence that cycling has increased under the Greens?
Nothing to do with the greens apart from coincidence, but in 2012, 3.6 million bicycles were sold in Britain compared with 2 million cars, this would lead me to suspect that cycling is becoming more popular. Same trend is happening all across Europe too, bikes outselling cars for the first time since WW2. I think that justifies the expense and temporary disruption of having a few cycle lanes installed around town.
You've given me one meaningless data point. That's not a 'trend' is it? You don't work for the Council do you?
Well you may not like it, but it's a real trend that's actually taking place for a few years now. I also can't prove to you on here that the Taj Mahal actually exists, but like the trend in the growth of cycling, it's there if you want to investigate for yourself.
[quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Well done Davey, bus ridership is up as is cycling in the city. Being hate figure No.1 of the moanerati shows you are doing something right and is something I think you can be proud of! Many towns and cities across the country are following Brighton and Hove's lead in providing a choice of transport options. Tens of thousands of council tax paying households in the city do not own cars or do not soley use cars and have been largely ignored previously. At last, a tiny amount of our council tax is going towards cycling facilities, improved bus routes, bus information and pedestrainisation rather than spending all the transport element just on road vehicles. The council should also be congratulated for having to spend so little council tax while getting so much external funding and getting so much done, it has been extremely successful in bidding for various grants then getting on with the work. How I look forward to my good Argus commenting friends celebrating the start of the work to improve as far as practicable, the Vogue Gyratory, a disgraceful deathrap that should never have been built.[/p][/quote]Where's your evidence that cycling has increased under the Greens?[/p][/quote]Nothing to do with the greens apart from coincidence, but in 2012, 3.6 million bicycles were sold in Britain compared with 2 million cars, this would lead me to suspect that cycling is becoming more popular. Same trend is happening all across Europe too, bikes outselling cars for the first time since WW2. I think that justifies the expense and temporary disruption of having a few cycle lanes installed around town.[/p][/quote]You've given me one meaningless data point. That's not a 'trend' is it? You don't work for the Council do you?[/p][/quote]Well you may not like it, but it's a real trend that's actually taking place for a few years now. I also can't prove to you on here that the Taj Mahal actually exists, but like the trend in the growth of cycling, it's there if you want to investigate for yourself. Gribbet
  • Score: -2

1:06pm Sun 9 Feb 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

My best mate was killed crossing a road when I was a teenager. It changed my life forever Gribbet. I will never ever forget it or his mums reaction when she arrived on the scene. The road then had safety improvements made. Seeing kids in the middle of the road every day makes me feel sick and I'm on my bike watching it.
But maybe you are right, but I don't see the harm in having a fresh pair of eyes look at it. What price should we put on safety?
My best mate was killed crossing a road when I was a teenager. It changed my life forever Gribbet. I will never ever forget it or his mums reaction when she arrived on the scene. The road then had safety improvements made. Seeing kids in the middle of the road every day makes me feel sick and I'm on my bike watching it. But maybe you are right, but I don't see the harm in having a fresh pair of eyes look at it. What price should we put on safety? Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: 3

1:10pm Sun 9 Feb 14

Gribbet says...

Plantpot wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Plantpot wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Bicycle fanatics multi purchase. I have three. Weekend cycling and off road hobby cyclists are also a huge market and these cycles are often carried on cars to off road locations as are road bikes to favoured routes ie Box Hill. I saw two BMX ers take their bikes out of their ford fiesta at the level. hobby cycling has become popular but perhaps the everyday commuting or day to day cycling. I live in a street with 30 student houses and I only see one student cycling. The student bus tickets are much better value and less effort.
The reality is there are the same old faces cycling on the Lewes road and the atrocious weather has scuppered many many cycling events and cyclists. That's the reality, 70mph winds are not welcomed by anyone on two wheels. .
Why do you hate cyclists? You never post anything positive, you rabbit on about how great a cyclist you are, then pour scorn and vitriol on even the slightest move to encourage more people to cycle. Why is this Maxwell?
Cyclists are an open goal because the few that do use the road believe they are too cool to do anything as banal as follow the highway code.
How long ago was it that you last read-up on the highway code? Do you own a copy of the handbook? Have you revised the highway code since passing your driving test?

In my case I haven't read-up on the highway code since passing my driving test in 1995 and I don't own a copy, yourself?
In actual fact he Highway Code is available on line. As a point of interest, I do look at things from time to time, especially where I spot a trend that defies common sense, for eaxample, if you want to go straight ahead at a roundabout, which lane should you be in, whether or not indicators should be used on a roundabout or the circumstances under which fog lamps can be used.

You would do well to read the Rospa report on cycling accidents which has also triggered my renewed interest in the highway code. When I was at school you were only allowed to use a bike to school if you had passed your cycling proficiency test. Many of the manouevres that get cyclists hurt are of their own making.
So you do lots of specific reading about the correct way to drive through roundabouts, but not much on how the highway code applies to cyclists. It seems like your knowledge of the highway could be a bit narrow.

I'd also say that if you're someone who was so confused about how to navigate a roundabout that you had to look it up, you're probably not enough of an authority on road conduct to be having a dig at cyclists.
[quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Bicycle fanatics multi purchase. I have three. Weekend cycling and off road hobby cyclists are also a huge market and these cycles are often carried on cars to off road locations as are road bikes to favoured routes ie Box Hill. I saw two BMX ers take their bikes out of their ford fiesta at the level. hobby cycling has become popular but perhaps the everyday commuting or day to day cycling. I live in a street with 30 student houses and I only see one student cycling. The student bus tickets are much better value and less effort. The reality is there are the same old faces cycling on the Lewes road and the atrocious weather has scuppered many many cycling events and cyclists. That's the reality, 70mph winds are not welcomed by anyone on two wheels. .[/p][/quote]Why do you hate cyclists? You never post anything positive, you rabbit on about how great a cyclist you are, then pour scorn and vitriol on even the slightest move to encourage more people to cycle. Why is this Maxwell?[/p][/quote]Cyclists are an open goal because the few that do use the road believe they are too cool to do anything as banal as follow the highway code.[/p][/quote]How long ago was it that you last read-up on the highway code? Do you own a copy of the handbook? Have you revised the highway code since passing your driving test? In my case I haven't read-up on the highway code since passing my driving test in 1995 and I don't own a copy, yourself?[/p][/quote]In actual fact he Highway Code is available on line. As a point of interest, I do look at things from time to time, especially where I spot a trend that defies common sense, for eaxample, if you want to go straight ahead at a roundabout, which lane should you be in, whether or not indicators should be used on a roundabout or the circumstances under which fog lamps can be used. You would do well to read the Rospa report on cycling accidents which has also triggered my renewed interest in the highway code. When I was at school you were only allowed to use a bike to school if you had passed your cycling proficiency test. Many of the manouevres that get cyclists hurt are of their own making.[/p][/quote]So you do lots of specific reading about the correct way to drive through roundabouts, but not much on how the highway code applies to cyclists. It seems like your knowledge of the highway could be a bit narrow. I'd also say that if you're someone who was so confused about how to navigate a roundabout that you had to look it up, you're probably not enough of an authority on road conduct to be having a dig at cyclists. Gribbet
  • Score: -4

2:55pm Sun 9 Feb 14

Plantpot says...

Gribbet wrote:
Plantpot wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Plantpot wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Bicycle fanatics multi purchase. I have three. Weekend cycling and off road hobby cyclists are also a huge market and these cycles are often carried on cars to off road locations as are road bikes to favoured routes ie Box Hill. I saw two BMX ers take their bikes out of their ford fiesta at the level. hobby cycling has become popular but perhaps the everyday commuting or day to day cycling. I live in a street with 30 student houses and I only see one student cycling. The student bus tickets are much better value and less effort.
The reality is there are the same old faces cycling on the Lewes road and the atrocious weather has scuppered many many cycling events and cyclists. That's the reality, 70mph winds are not welcomed by anyone on two wheels. .
Why do you hate cyclists? You never post anything positive, you rabbit on about how great a cyclist you are, then pour scorn and vitriol on even the slightest move to encourage more people to cycle. Why is this Maxwell?
Cyclists are an open goal because the few that do use the road believe they are too cool to do anything as banal as follow the highway code.
How long ago was it that you last read-up on the highway code? Do you own a copy of the handbook? Have you revised the highway code since passing your driving test?

In my case I haven't read-up on the highway code since passing my driving test in 1995 and I don't own a copy, yourself?
In actual fact he Highway Code is available on line. As a point of interest, I do look at things from time to time, especially where I spot a trend that defies common sense, for eaxample, if you want to go straight ahead at a roundabout, which lane should you be in, whether or not indicators should be used on a roundabout or the circumstances under which fog lamps can be used.

You would do well to read the Rospa report on cycling accidents which has also triggered my renewed interest in the highway code. When I was at school you were only allowed to use a bike to school if you had passed your cycling proficiency test. Many of the manouevres that get cyclists hurt are of their own making.
So you do lots of specific reading about the correct way to drive through roundabouts, but not much on how the highway code applies to cyclists. It seems like your knowledge of the highway could be a bit narrow.

I'd also say that if you're someone who was so confused about how to navigate a roundabout that you had to look it up, you're probably not enough of an authority on road conduct to be having a dig at cyclists.
In answer to your observations:

1, No 2. I recently re-read the code as it applies to cyclists 3. no, 4. I confirmed I take roundabouts correctly 5. no
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Bicycle fanatics multi purchase. I have three. Weekend cycling and off road hobby cyclists are also a huge market and these cycles are often carried on cars to off road locations as are road bikes to favoured routes ie Box Hill. I saw two BMX ers take their bikes out of their ford fiesta at the level. hobby cycling has become popular but perhaps the everyday commuting or day to day cycling. I live in a street with 30 student houses and I only see one student cycling. The student bus tickets are much better value and less effort. The reality is there are the same old faces cycling on the Lewes road and the atrocious weather has scuppered many many cycling events and cyclists. That's the reality, 70mph winds are not welcomed by anyone on two wheels. .[/p][/quote]Why do you hate cyclists? You never post anything positive, you rabbit on about how great a cyclist you are, then pour scorn and vitriol on even the slightest move to encourage more people to cycle. Why is this Maxwell?[/p][/quote]Cyclists are an open goal because the few that do use the road believe they are too cool to do anything as banal as follow the highway code.[/p][/quote]How long ago was it that you last read-up on the highway code? Do you own a copy of the handbook? Have you revised the highway code since passing your driving test? In my case I haven't read-up on the highway code since passing my driving test in 1995 and I don't own a copy, yourself?[/p][/quote]In actual fact he Highway Code is available on line. As a point of interest, I do look at things from time to time, especially where I spot a trend that defies common sense, for eaxample, if you want to go straight ahead at a roundabout, which lane should you be in, whether or not indicators should be used on a roundabout or the circumstances under which fog lamps can be used. You would do well to read the Rospa report on cycling accidents which has also triggered my renewed interest in the highway code. When I was at school you were only allowed to use a bike to school if you had passed your cycling proficiency test. Many of the manouevres that get cyclists hurt are of their own making.[/p][/quote]So you do lots of specific reading about the correct way to drive through roundabouts, but not much on how the highway code applies to cyclists. It seems like your knowledge of the highway could be a bit narrow. I'd also say that if you're someone who was so confused about how to navigate a roundabout that you had to look it up, you're probably not enough of an authority on road conduct to be having a dig at cyclists.[/p][/quote]In answer to your observations: 1, No 2. I recently re-read the code as it applies to cyclists 3. no, 4. I confirmed I take roundabouts correctly 5. no Plantpot
  • Score: 1

2:55pm Sun 9 Feb 14

Plantpot says...

Gribbet wrote:
Plantpot wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Plantpot wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Bicycle fanatics multi purchase. I have three. Weekend cycling and off road hobby cyclists are also a huge market and these cycles are often carried on cars to off road locations as are road bikes to favoured routes ie Box Hill. I saw two BMX ers take their bikes out of their ford fiesta at the level. hobby cycling has become popular but perhaps the everyday commuting or day to day cycling. I live in a street with 30 student houses and I only see one student cycling. The student bus tickets are much better value and less effort.
The reality is there are the same old faces cycling on the Lewes road and the atrocious weather has scuppered many many cycling events and cyclists. That's the reality, 70mph winds are not welcomed by anyone on two wheels. .
Why do you hate cyclists? You never post anything positive, you rabbit on about how great a cyclist you are, then pour scorn and vitriol on even the slightest move to encourage more people to cycle. Why is this Maxwell?
Cyclists are an open goal because the few that do use the road believe they are too cool to do anything as banal as follow the highway code.
How long ago was it that you last read-up on the highway code? Do you own a copy of the handbook? Have you revised the highway code since passing your driving test?

In my case I haven't read-up on the highway code since passing my driving test in 1995 and I don't own a copy, yourself?
In actual fact he Highway Code is available on line. As a point of interest, I do look at things from time to time, especially where I spot a trend that defies common sense, for eaxample, if you want to go straight ahead at a roundabout, which lane should you be in, whether or not indicators should be used on a roundabout or the circumstances under which fog lamps can be used.

You would do well to read the Rospa report on cycling accidents which has also triggered my renewed interest in the highway code. When I was at school you were only allowed to use a bike to school if you had passed your cycling proficiency test. Many of the manouevres that get cyclists hurt are of their own making.
So you do lots of specific reading about the correct way to drive through roundabouts, but not much on how the highway code applies to cyclists. It seems like your knowledge of the highway could be a bit narrow.

I'd also say that if you're someone who was so confused about how to navigate a roundabout that you had to look it up, you're probably not enough of an authority on road conduct to be having a dig at cyclists.
In answer to your observations:

1, No 2. I recently re-read the code as it applies to cyclists 3. no, 4. I confirmed I take roundabouts correctly 5. no
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Bicycle fanatics multi purchase. I have three. Weekend cycling and off road hobby cyclists are also a huge market and these cycles are often carried on cars to off road locations as are road bikes to favoured routes ie Box Hill. I saw two BMX ers take their bikes out of their ford fiesta at the level. hobby cycling has become popular but perhaps the everyday commuting or day to day cycling. I live in a street with 30 student houses and I only see one student cycling. The student bus tickets are much better value and less effort. The reality is there are the same old faces cycling on the Lewes road and the atrocious weather has scuppered many many cycling events and cyclists. That's the reality, 70mph winds are not welcomed by anyone on two wheels. .[/p][/quote]Why do you hate cyclists? You never post anything positive, you rabbit on about how great a cyclist you are, then pour scorn and vitriol on even the slightest move to encourage more people to cycle. Why is this Maxwell?[/p][/quote]Cyclists are an open goal because the few that do use the road believe they are too cool to do anything as banal as follow the highway code.[/p][/quote]How long ago was it that you last read-up on the highway code? Do you own a copy of the handbook? Have you revised the highway code since passing your driving test? In my case I haven't read-up on the highway code since passing my driving test in 1995 and I don't own a copy, yourself?[/p][/quote]In actual fact he Highway Code is available on line. As a point of interest, I do look at things from time to time, especially where I spot a trend that defies common sense, for eaxample, if you want to go straight ahead at a roundabout, which lane should you be in, whether or not indicators should be used on a roundabout or the circumstances under which fog lamps can be used. You would do well to read the Rospa report on cycling accidents which has also triggered my renewed interest in the highway code. When I was at school you were only allowed to use a bike to school if you had passed your cycling proficiency test. Many of the manouevres that get cyclists hurt are of their own making.[/p][/quote]So you do lots of specific reading about the correct way to drive through roundabouts, but not much on how the highway code applies to cyclists. It seems like your knowledge of the highway could be a bit narrow. I'd also say that if you're someone who was so confused about how to navigate a roundabout that you had to look it up, you're probably not enough of an authority on road conduct to be having a dig at cyclists.[/p][/quote]In answer to your observations: 1, No 2. I recently re-read the code as it applies to cyclists 3. no, 4. I confirmed I take roundabouts correctly 5. no Plantpot
  • Score: 0

3:16pm Sun 9 Feb 14

HJarrs says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
I hate councils pretending to help cyclists when it's a nonsense. It's the lies I hate. The Lewes Road cycle lane has existed for years.p and even with 30,000 students in town a minute number cycle. I live in as student area and I see one cyclist coming out of all the houses. With regards to the Lewes Road cycle lane, the only thing which has changed is some bus stops were moved in front of the lane, but not all of them but you are claiming this as some fantastic cycling victory. It isn't as the lane has been used by me for more than a decade. Nothing has changed.
However, you have done nothing to deal with the dreadful road surfaces on all roads approaching the lane which is baffling. It's one big bone shaking pot hole avoiding arcade game on two wheels. Go on HJarrs take an open minded ride and check it out.
Take a ride along the Upper Lewes Road, ride along the section outside the old technical college at the bottom of Southover street. Try Baker Street with all of these you end up in the centre of the road which is dangerous.
Then try and navigate a bike east to west across town, due to the silly one way systems it's a mess. Try and navigate the North Laine area on a bike, no entries and one ways everywhere. It's the same with st James street and why cyclists go the wrong way down it. long diversions which in a car ride are short but on a bike add to the unnecessary irritations.
If you were a genuine daily cyclist HJarrs, instead of a Sunday stroller, you would understand the reality of cycling in town.
Have you ever tried to lock your bike at the post office collection office in North Road or outside any of the doctors surgeries or the hospitals.
Only recently has the railway station installed some excellent racks.
Your interest in cycling is for PR for yourself and your party. Mine is the reality of it.
My reality is I have an expensive commuting bike and a crappy Brighton town bike as bikes locked in town sadly get vandalised and wheels stamped on. You have to carry two locks to reduce the risk of being nicked, when I get home I have to lift my bike onto my shoulder up some steps and through the house to the back garden as I live in a terrace.
As I do this the bike hits the walls, the doors etc. when I commuted in London I had a bike I rode to Brighton station and another crappy one parked in London as I wasn't allowed to have my bike on the train.
That's the reality of cycling in this city. That's why this isn't oxford where you see thousands of uni students cycling. You just don't here. It's not flat, it's not suitable for most people and he housing and accommodation doesn't lend itself to making it accessible to all.
I object to parties in parks for cycling schemes when the lane existed for decades.
It makes you look ridiculous but this was not about cycling it was a political pr exercise.
I think you nicely demonstrate why more needs to be spent on cycle infrastructure, including cycle parking. It is a bit of a mystery why you are not supporting the introduction of cycle lanes and more cycle parking that are encouraging more to take up cycling. I also think you should refresh your knowledge of the North Laine area as most streets are now two way for bikes and have been for some time.

I also agree that, as the number of people cycling along the Lewes Rd corridor is increasing and will continue to do so, there is a need to provide a cycle lane along the Upper Lewes Rd. There is potential conflict between pedestrians and cyclists along the Level cycle path and cyclists heading into the city are encouraged to make an uneccessary deviation from the Lewes Rd onto the existing cycle path.

However, where I do take issue is that I think there is tremendous potential to get thousands of young people on their bikes and enjoying a healthy activity. The Lewes Rd is not very hilly and is mostly flat. It is an easily commutable route by bike from Falmer or Bevendean into the city. Sure, cycling may not be the first choice for those living at the top of hills, but that still leaves thousands of young people in the catchment area. Large sections of Brighton and Hove are easily cycleable.
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: I hate councils pretending to help cyclists when it's a nonsense. It's the lies I hate. The Lewes Road cycle lane has existed for years.p and even with 30,000 students in town a minute number cycle. I live in as student area and I see one cyclist coming out of all the houses. With regards to the Lewes Road cycle lane, the only thing which has changed is some bus stops were moved in front of the lane, but not all of them but you are claiming this as some fantastic cycling victory. It isn't as the lane has been used by me for more than a decade. Nothing has changed. However, you have done nothing to deal with the dreadful road surfaces on all roads approaching the lane which is baffling. It's one big bone shaking pot hole avoiding arcade game on two wheels. Go on HJarrs take an open minded ride and check it out. Take a ride along the Upper Lewes Road, ride along the section outside the old technical college at the bottom of Southover street. Try Baker Street with all of these you end up in the centre of the road which is dangerous. Then try and navigate a bike east to west across town, due to the silly one way systems it's a mess. Try and navigate the North Laine area on a bike, no entries and one ways everywhere. It's the same with st James street and why cyclists go the wrong way down it. long diversions which in a car ride are short but on a bike add to the unnecessary irritations. If you were a genuine daily cyclist HJarrs, instead of a Sunday stroller, you would understand the reality of cycling in town. Have you ever tried to lock your bike at the post office collection office in North Road or outside any of the doctors surgeries or the hospitals. Only recently has the railway station installed some excellent racks. Your interest in cycling is for PR for yourself and your party. Mine is the reality of it. My reality is I have an expensive commuting bike and a crappy Brighton town bike as bikes locked in town sadly get vandalised and wheels stamped on. You have to carry two locks to reduce the risk of being nicked, when I get home I have to lift my bike onto my shoulder up some steps and through the house to the back garden as I live in a terrace. As I do this the bike hits the walls, the doors etc. when I commuted in London I had a bike I rode to Brighton station and another crappy one parked in London as I wasn't allowed to have my bike on the train. That's the reality of cycling in this city. That's why this isn't oxford where you see thousands of uni students cycling. You just don't here. It's not flat, it's not suitable for most people and he housing and accommodation doesn't lend itself to making it accessible to all. I object to parties in parks for cycling schemes when the lane existed for decades. It makes you look ridiculous but this was not about cycling it was a political pr exercise.[/p][/quote]I think you nicely demonstrate why more needs to be spent on cycle infrastructure, including cycle parking. It is a bit of a mystery why you are not supporting the introduction of cycle lanes and more cycle parking that are encouraging more to take up cycling. I also think you should refresh your knowledge of the North Laine area as most streets are now two way for bikes and have been for some time. I also agree that, as the number of people cycling along the Lewes Rd corridor is increasing and will continue to do so, there is a need to provide a cycle lane along the Upper Lewes Rd. There is potential conflict between pedestrians and cyclists along the Level cycle path and cyclists heading into the city are encouraged to make an uneccessary deviation from the Lewes Rd onto the existing cycle path. However, where I do take issue is that I think there is tremendous potential to get thousands of young people on their bikes and enjoying a healthy activity. The Lewes Rd is not very hilly and is mostly flat. It is an easily commutable route by bike from Falmer or Bevendean into the city. Sure, cycling may not be the first choice for those living at the top of hills, but that still leaves thousands of young people in the catchment area. Large sections of Brighton and Hove are easily cycleable. HJarrs
  • Score: -3

4:05pm Sun 9 Feb 14

Take it Personally says...

Ian Davey, what a tit
Ian Davey, what a tit Take it Personally
  • Score: 7

4:21pm Sun 9 Feb 14

Ambo Guy says...

HJarrs wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Bad news for all the petrolhead Warren Morgan Labour fan-boys of recent who are banking on Labour bulldozing away the city's/nation's cycle lanes if/when they get in to power - The Labour shadow transport secretary Mary Creagh says "As shadow transport secretary, I want to move cycling from the margins to the mainstream so Britain catches up with the likes of Germany and Denmark"

Start pulling your hair out while you've still got some, the future is two-wheeled whatever happens in 2015. Roll on more cycling infrastructure! Bring on Brighton velodrome!
Not only that Gribbet, but as I have often pointed out to my good friends on here, despite cuts to council services, government grants will be available to improve bus and cycle lanes with matching funds coming from parking revenues.
Can you please stop subjecting us to this ridiculous farce of seeing you post under more than one name and then agreeing with yourself.

You can come out with all the silly 'moanerati' comments you like but you're just becoming an even bigger laughing stock all the time you're doing this.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: Bad news for all the petrolhead Warren Morgan Labour fan-boys of recent who are banking on Labour bulldozing away the city's/nation's cycle lanes if/when they get in to power - The Labour shadow transport secretary Mary Creagh says "As shadow transport secretary, I want to move cycling from the margins to the mainstream so Britain catches up with the likes of Germany and Denmark" Start pulling your hair out while you've still got some, the future is two-wheeled whatever happens in 2015. Roll on more cycling infrastructure! Bring on Brighton velodrome![/p][/quote]Not only that Gribbet, but as I have often pointed out to my good friends on here, despite cuts to council services, government grants will be available to improve bus and cycle lanes with matching funds coming from parking revenues.[/p][/quote]Can you please stop subjecting us to this ridiculous farce of seeing you post under more than one name and then agreeing with yourself. You can come out with all the silly 'moanerati' comments you like but you're just becoming an even bigger laughing stock all the time you're doing this. Ambo Guy
  • Score: 5

6:02pm Sun 9 Feb 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

Why is the council allowing 550 parking spaces for students on Preston Barracks and allowing the uni to build a car park when you claim to be creating sustainable transport systems.
I shall tell you why. You want another 5,000 students to come into our town to vote for your party and to do that you will even give them things your party is opposed to.
That is grubby and desperate. But the council tax payers are revolting and we are onto you, so it's over HJarrs, it's over and you know that a number of green councillors are standing down at the next election and you will also know that Caroline has openly said she plans to return to Europe.
The city needs a fresh start to bring the residents together and you had a chance and blew it.
Why is the council allowing 550 parking spaces for students on Preston Barracks and allowing the uni to build a car park when you claim to be creating sustainable transport systems. I shall tell you why. You want another 5,000 students to come into our town to vote for your party and to do that you will even give them things your party is opposed to. That is grubby and desperate. But the council tax payers are revolting and we are onto you, so it's over HJarrs, it's over and you know that a number of green councillors are standing down at the next election and you will also know that Caroline has openly said she plans to return to Europe. The city needs a fresh start to bring the residents together and you had a chance and blew it. Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: 5

8:10pm Sun 9 Feb 14

HJarrs says...

Ambo Guy wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Bad news for all the petrolhead Warren Morgan Labour fan-boys of recent who are banking on Labour bulldozing away the city's/nation's cycle lanes if/when they get in to power - The Labour shadow transport secretary Mary Creagh says "As shadow transport secretary, I want to move cycling from the margins to the mainstream so Britain catches up with the likes of Germany and Denmark"

Start pulling your hair out while you've still got some, the future is two-wheeled whatever happens in 2015. Roll on more cycling infrastructure! Bring on Brighton velodrome!
Not only that Gribbet, but as I have often pointed out to my good friends on here, despite cuts to council services, government grants will be available to improve bus and cycle lanes with matching funds coming from parking revenues.
Can you please stop subjecting us to this ridiculous farce of seeing you post under more than one name and then agreeing with yourself.

You can come out with all the silly 'moanerati' comments you like but you're just becoming an even bigger laughing stock all the time you're doing this.
So speaks one of the moanerati!

You and your pals may post under different names, I do not.
[quote][p][bold]Ambo Guy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: Bad news for all the petrolhead Warren Morgan Labour fan-boys of recent who are banking on Labour bulldozing away the city's/nation's cycle lanes if/when they get in to power - The Labour shadow transport secretary Mary Creagh says "As shadow transport secretary, I want to move cycling from the margins to the mainstream so Britain catches up with the likes of Germany and Denmark" Start pulling your hair out while you've still got some, the future is two-wheeled whatever happens in 2015. Roll on more cycling infrastructure! Bring on Brighton velodrome![/p][/quote]Not only that Gribbet, but as I have often pointed out to my good friends on here, despite cuts to council services, government grants will be available to improve bus and cycle lanes with matching funds coming from parking revenues.[/p][/quote]Can you please stop subjecting us to this ridiculous farce of seeing you post under more than one name and then agreeing with yourself. You can come out with all the silly 'moanerati' comments you like but you're just becoming an even bigger laughing stock all the time you're doing this.[/p][/quote]So speaks one of the moanerati! You and your pals may post under different names, I do not. HJarrs
  • Score: -3

8:33pm Sun 9 Feb 14

HJarrs says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Why is the council allowing 550 parking spaces for students on Preston Barracks and allowing the uni to build a car park when you claim to be creating sustainable transport systems.
I shall tell you why. You want another 5,000 students to come into our town to vote for your party and to do that you will even give them things your party is opposed to.
That is grubby and desperate. But the council tax payers are revolting and we are onto you, so it's over HJarrs, it's over and you know that a number of green councillors are standing down at the next election and you will also know that Caroline has openly said she plans to return to Europe.
The city needs a fresh start to bring the residents together and you had a chance and blew it.
You are getting worse! Its conspiracy theories now! Lady Porter was guilty of moving out council tennants in Westminster in order to increase the Conservative vote. The Universities however, are independant from the council and have an aspiration to expand by 5000 students. I notice in the Argus Bill Randall (Green) expressed concern that this will cause unwanted pressure on the housing stock. I think you will find the Council has limited influence over the universities.

The council is allowing ONLY 515 car parking spaces (265 for students) for 1288 student flats and 350 residential flats and houses according to...

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It is estimated that the Central Research Laboratory part of the development will also create 740 jobs and £466 million for the local economy. They will not be Mcjobs or stacking shelves (nothing wrong with them, but they pays badly and prospects limited).

That so FEW car parking spaces have been provided, as the site of Preston Barracks, Mithras House and Watts Car Park is due to the proximity of a railway station with a decent service, decent bus route and reasonable cycle lanes. You may not like it, but you will find yourself in a tiny, tiny minority.

Here is an idea...you could get a job there, its right on your doorstep.

Oh yes, I don't think council tax payers will take too kindly to being called revolting!
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Why is the council allowing 550 parking spaces for students on Preston Barracks and allowing the uni to build a car park when you claim to be creating sustainable transport systems. I shall tell you why. You want another 5,000 students to come into our town to vote for your party and to do that you will even give them things your party is opposed to. That is grubby and desperate. But the council tax payers are revolting and we are onto you, so it's over HJarrs, it's over and you know that a number of green councillors are standing down at the next election and you will also know that Caroline has openly said she plans to return to Europe. The city needs a fresh start to bring the residents together and you had a chance and blew it.[/p][/quote]You are getting worse! Its conspiracy theories now! Lady Porter was guilty of moving out council tennants in Westminster in order to increase the Conservative vote. The Universities however, are independant from the council and have an aspiration to expand by 5000 students. I notice in the Argus Bill Randall (Green) expressed concern that this will cause unwanted pressure on the housing stock. I think you will find the Council has limited influence over the universities. The council is allowing ONLY 515 car parking spaces (265 for students) for 1288 student flats and 350 residential flats and houses according to... http://present.brigh ton-hove.gov.uk/Publ ished/C00000689/M000 04687/AI00037558/$Pr eston%20Barracks%20R edevelopment_v1.doc. pdf It is estimated that the Central Research Laboratory part of the development will also create 740 jobs and £466 million for the local economy. They will not be Mcjobs or stacking shelves (nothing wrong with them, but they pays badly and prospects limited). That so FEW car parking spaces have been provided, as the site of Preston Barracks, Mithras House and Watts Car Park is due to the proximity of a railway station with a decent service, decent bus route and reasonable cycle lanes. You may not like it, but you will find yourself in a tiny, tiny minority. Here is an idea...you could get a job there, its right on your doorstep. Oh yes, I don't think council tax payers will take too kindly to being called revolting! HJarrs
  • Score: -5

8:55pm Sun 9 Feb 14

Quiterie says...

Gribbet wrote:
Quiterie wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Quiterie wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Well done Davey, bus ridership is up as is cycling in the city. Being hate figure No.1 of the moanerati shows you are doing something right and is something I think you can be proud of!

Many towns and cities across the country are following Brighton and Hove's lead in providing a choice of transport options. Tens of thousands of council tax paying households in the city do not own cars or do not soley use cars and have been largely ignored previously. At last, a tiny amount of our council tax is going towards cycling facilities, improved bus routes, bus information and pedestrainisation rather than spending all the transport element just on road vehicles. The council should also be congratulated for having to spend so little council tax while getting so much external funding and getting so much done, it has been extremely successful in bidding for various grants then getting on with the work.

How I look forward to my good Argus commenting friends celebrating the start of the work to improve as far as practicable, the Vogue Gyratory, a disgraceful deathrap that should never have been built.
Where's your evidence that cycling has increased under the Greens?
Nothing to do with the greens apart from coincidence, but in 2012, 3.6 million bicycles were sold in Britain compared with 2 million cars, this would lead me to suspect that cycling is becoming more popular. Same trend is happening all across Europe too, bikes outselling cars for the first time since WW2. I think that justifies the expense and temporary disruption of having a few cycle lanes installed around town.
You've given me one meaningless data point. That's not a 'trend' is it? You don't work for the Council do you?
Well you may not like it, but it's a real trend that's actually taking place for a few years now. I also can't prove to you on here that the Taj Mahal actually exists, but like the trend in the growth of cycling, it's there if you want to investigate for yourself.
I have investigated it myself. I was just hoping that you pro-cycling guys might have the data at your fingertips.

I had a look at cyclinginfo.co.uk and found the Brighton and Hove is right near the bottom of the table of cycle use. Not very impressive!

... and don't get me started on the Taj Mahal.......!
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Well done Davey, bus ridership is up as is cycling in the city. Being hate figure No.1 of the moanerati shows you are doing something right and is something I think you can be proud of! Many towns and cities across the country are following Brighton and Hove's lead in providing a choice of transport options. Tens of thousands of council tax paying households in the city do not own cars or do not soley use cars and have been largely ignored previously. At last, a tiny amount of our council tax is going towards cycling facilities, improved bus routes, bus information and pedestrainisation rather than spending all the transport element just on road vehicles. The council should also be congratulated for having to spend so little council tax while getting so much external funding and getting so much done, it has been extremely successful in bidding for various grants then getting on with the work. How I look forward to my good Argus commenting friends celebrating the start of the work to improve as far as practicable, the Vogue Gyratory, a disgraceful deathrap that should never have been built.[/p][/quote]Where's your evidence that cycling has increased under the Greens?[/p][/quote]Nothing to do with the greens apart from coincidence, but in 2012, 3.6 million bicycles were sold in Britain compared with 2 million cars, this would lead me to suspect that cycling is becoming more popular. Same trend is happening all across Europe too, bikes outselling cars for the first time since WW2. I think that justifies the expense and temporary disruption of having a few cycle lanes installed around town.[/p][/quote]You've given me one meaningless data point. That's not a 'trend' is it? You don't work for the Council do you?[/p][/quote]Well you may not like it, but it's a real trend that's actually taking place for a few years now. I also can't prove to you on here that the Taj Mahal actually exists, but like the trend in the growth of cycling, it's there if you want to investigate for yourself.[/p][/quote]I have investigated it myself. I was just hoping that you pro-cycling guys might have the data at your fingertips. I had a look at cyclinginfo.co.uk and found the Brighton and Hove is right near the bottom of the table of cycle use. Not very impressive! ... and don't get me started on the Taj Mahal.......! Quiterie
  • Score: 6

9:14pm Sun 9 Feb 14

HJarrs says...

Quiterie wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Quiterie wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Quiterie wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Well done Davey, bus ridership is up as is cycling in the city. Being hate figure No.1 of the moanerati shows you are doing something right and is something I think you can be proud of!

Many towns and cities across the country are following Brighton and Hove's lead in providing a choice of transport options. Tens of thousands of council tax paying households in the city do not own cars or do not soley use cars and have been largely ignored previously. At last, a tiny amount of our council tax is going towards cycling facilities, improved bus routes, bus information and pedestrainisation rather than spending all the transport element just on road vehicles. The council should also be congratulated for having to spend so little council tax while getting so much external funding and getting so much done, it has been extremely successful in bidding for various grants then getting on with the work.

How I look forward to my good Argus commenting friends celebrating the start of the work to improve as far as practicable, the Vogue Gyratory, a disgraceful deathrap that should never have been built.
Where's your evidence that cycling has increased under the Greens?
Nothing to do with the greens apart from coincidence, but in 2012, 3.6 million bicycles were sold in Britain compared with 2 million cars, this would lead me to suspect that cycling is becoming more popular. Same trend is happening all across Europe too, bikes outselling cars for the first time since WW2. I think that justifies the expense and temporary disruption of having a few cycle lanes installed around town.
You've given me one meaningless data point. That's not a 'trend' is it? You don't work for the Council do you?
Well you may not like it, but it's a real trend that's actually taking place for a few years now. I also can't prove to you on here that the Taj Mahal actually exists, but like the trend in the growth of cycling, it's there if you want to investigate for yourself.
I have investigated it myself. I was just hoping that you pro-cycling guys might have the data at your fingertips.

I had a look at cyclinginfo.co.uk and found the Brighton and Hove is right near the bottom of the table of cycle use. Not very impressive!

... and don't get me started on the Taj Mahal.......!
You are quite correct on cycle usage, this fact I believe has been used to bolster the city's bid for funding of new cycle facilities. Although I see an upsurge in cycling, it will take years and years for it to build up to reasonable levels.
[quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Well done Davey, bus ridership is up as is cycling in the city. Being hate figure No.1 of the moanerati shows you are doing something right and is something I think you can be proud of! Many towns and cities across the country are following Brighton and Hove's lead in providing a choice of transport options. Tens of thousands of council tax paying households in the city do not own cars or do not soley use cars and have been largely ignored previously. At last, a tiny amount of our council tax is going towards cycling facilities, improved bus routes, bus information and pedestrainisation rather than spending all the transport element just on road vehicles. The council should also be congratulated for having to spend so little council tax while getting so much external funding and getting so much done, it has been extremely successful in bidding for various grants then getting on with the work. How I look forward to my good Argus commenting friends celebrating the start of the work to improve as far as practicable, the Vogue Gyratory, a disgraceful deathrap that should never have been built.[/p][/quote]Where's your evidence that cycling has increased under the Greens?[/p][/quote]Nothing to do with the greens apart from coincidence, but in 2012, 3.6 million bicycles were sold in Britain compared with 2 million cars, this would lead me to suspect that cycling is becoming more popular. Same trend is happening all across Europe too, bikes outselling cars for the first time since WW2. I think that justifies the expense and temporary disruption of having a few cycle lanes installed around town.[/p][/quote]You've given me one meaningless data point. That's not a 'trend' is it? You don't work for the Council do you?[/p][/quote]Well you may not like it, but it's a real trend that's actually taking place for a few years now. I also can't prove to you on here that the Taj Mahal actually exists, but like the trend in the growth of cycling, it's there if you want to investigate for yourself.[/p][/quote]I have investigated it myself. I was just hoping that you pro-cycling guys might have the data at your fingertips. I had a look at cyclinginfo.co.uk and found the Brighton and Hove is right near the bottom of the table of cycle use. Not very impressive! ... and don't get me started on the Taj Mahal.......![/p][/quote]You are quite correct on cycle usage, this fact I believe has been used to bolster the city's bid for funding of new cycle facilities. Although I see an upsurge in cycling, it will take years and years for it to build up to reasonable levels. HJarrs
  • Score: -4

9:17pm Sun 9 Feb 14

Dealing with idiots says...

HJarrs wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote: Why is the council allowing 550 parking spaces for students on Preston Barracks and allowing the uni to build a car park when you claim to be creating sustainable transport systems. I shall tell you why. You want another 5,000 students to come into our town to vote for your party and to do that you will even give them things your party is opposed to. That is grubby and desperate. But the council tax payers are revolting and we are onto you, so it's over HJarrs, it's over and you know that a number of green councillors are standing down at the next election and you will also know that Caroline has openly said she plans to return to Europe. The city needs a fresh start to bring the residents together and you had a chance and blew it.
You are getting worse! Its conspiracy theories now! Lady Porter was guilty of moving out council tennants in Westminster in order to increase the Conservative vote. The Universities however, are independant from the council and have an aspiration to expand by 5000 students. I notice in the Argus Bill Randall (Green) expressed concern that this will cause unwanted pressure on the housing stock. I think you will find the Council has limited influence over the universities. The council is allowing ONLY 515 car parking spaces (265 for students) for 1288 student flats and 350 residential flats and houses according to... http://present.brigh ton-hove.gov.uk/Publ ished/C00000689/M000 04687/AI00037558/$Pr eston%20Barracks%20R edevelopment_v1.doc. pdf It is estimated that the Central Research Laboratory part of the development will also create 740 jobs and £466 million for the local economy. They will not be Mcjobs or stacking shelves (nothing wrong with them, but they pays badly and prospects limited). That so FEW car parking spaces have been provided, as the site of Preston Barracks, Mithras House and Watts Car Park is due to the proximity of a railway station with a decent service, decent bus route and reasonable cycle lanes. You may not like it, but you will find yourself in a tiny, tiny minority. Here is an idea...you could get a job there, its right on your doorstep. Oh yes, I don't think council tax payers will take too kindly to being called revolting!
The only minority post 5/5/15 will be the number of green councillors. I for one are looking forward to handing Ian davey his P45. You I'm afraid will have to look elsewhere for your green consultancy trough. Buy your own dirink tomorrow. You cn aford it at yopu hourly rates.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Why is the council allowing 550 parking spaces for students on Preston Barracks and allowing the uni to build a car park when you claim to be creating sustainable transport systems. I shall tell you why. You want another 5,000 students to come into our town to vote for your party and to do that you will even give them things your party is opposed to. That is grubby and desperate. But the council tax payers are revolting and we are onto you, so it's over HJarrs, it's over and you know that a number of green councillors are standing down at the next election and you will also know that Caroline has openly said she plans to return to Europe. The city needs a fresh start to bring the residents together and you had a chance and blew it.[/p][/quote]You are getting worse! Its conspiracy theories now! Lady Porter was guilty of moving out council tennants in Westminster in order to increase the Conservative vote. The Universities however, are independant from the council and have an aspiration to expand by 5000 students. I notice in the Argus Bill Randall (Green) expressed concern that this will cause unwanted pressure on the housing stock. I think you will find the Council has limited influence over the universities. The council is allowing ONLY 515 car parking spaces (265 for students) for 1288 student flats and 350 residential flats and houses according to... http://present.brigh ton-hove.gov.uk/Publ ished/C00000689/M000 04687/AI00037558/$Pr eston%20Barracks%20R edevelopment_v1.doc. pdf It is estimated that the Central Research Laboratory part of the development will also create 740 jobs and £466 million for the local economy. They will not be Mcjobs or stacking shelves (nothing wrong with them, but they pays badly and prospects limited). That so FEW car parking spaces have been provided, as the site of Preston Barracks, Mithras House and Watts Car Park is due to the proximity of a railway station with a decent service, decent bus route and reasonable cycle lanes. You may not like it, but you will find yourself in a tiny, tiny minority. Here is an idea...you could get a job there, its right on your doorstep. Oh yes, I don't think council tax payers will take too kindly to being called revolting![/p][/quote]The only minority post 5/5/15 will be the number of green councillors. I for one are looking forward to handing Ian davey his P45. You I'm afraid will have to look elsewhere for your green consultancy trough. Buy your own dirink tomorrow. You cn aford it at yopu hourly rates. Dealing with idiots
  • Score: 4

9:38pm Sun 9 Feb 14

HJarrs says...

Dealing with idiots wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote: Why is the council allowing 550 parking spaces for students on Preston Barracks and allowing the uni to build a car park when you claim to be creating sustainable transport systems. I shall tell you why. You want another 5,000 students to come into our town to vote for your party and to do that you will even give them things your party is opposed to. That is grubby and desperate. But the council tax payers are revolting and we are onto you, so it's over HJarrs, it's over and you know that a number of green councillors are standing down at the next election and you will also know that Caroline has openly said she plans to return to Europe. The city needs a fresh start to bring the residents together and you had a chance and blew it.
You are getting worse! Its conspiracy theories now! Lady Porter was guilty of moving out council tennants in Westminster in order to increase the Conservative vote. The Universities however, are independant from the council and have an aspiration to expand by 5000 students. I notice in the Argus Bill Randall (Green) expressed concern that this will cause unwanted pressure on the housing stock. I think you will find the Council has limited influence over the universities. The council is allowing ONLY 515 car parking spaces (265 for students) for 1288 student flats and 350 residential flats and houses according to... http://present.brigh ton-hove.gov.uk/Publ ished/C00000689/M000 04687/AI00037558/$Pr eston%20Barracks%20R edevelopment_v1.doc. pdf It is estimated that the Central Research Laboratory part of the development will also create 740 jobs and £466 million for the local economy. They will not be Mcjobs or stacking shelves (nothing wrong with them, but they pays badly and prospects limited). That so FEW car parking spaces have been provided, as the site of Preston Barracks, Mithras House and Watts Car Park is due to the proximity of a railway station with a decent service, decent bus route and reasonable cycle lanes. You may not like it, but you will find yourself in a tiny, tiny minority. Here is an idea...you could get a job there, its right on your doorstep. Oh yes, I don't think council tax payers will take too kindly to being called revolting!
The only minority post 5/5/15 will be the number of green councillors. I for one are looking forward to handing Ian davey his P45. You I'm afraid will have to look elsewhere for your green consultancy trough. Buy your own dirink tomorrow. You cn aford it at yopu hourly rates.
I certainly can afford to buy my own drink at my hourly rates if you are too tight to get the shout in. However, not that you are interested, the money will not have come via B&HCC.

Whatever the administration post 5/5/15 my remuneration will be unaffected thanks. But don't let me stop you going on and on and on desperately trying to not discuss any point in the subject of the article.
[quote][p][bold]Dealing with idiots[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Why is the council allowing 550 parking spaces for students on Preston Barracks and allowing the uni to build a car park when you claim to be creating sustainable transport systems. I shall tell you why. You want another 5,000 students to come into our town to vote for your party and to do that you will even give them things your party is opposed to. That is grubby and desperate. But the council tax payers are revolting and we are onto you, so it's over HJarrs, it's over and you know that a number of green councillors are standing down at the next election and you will also know that Caroline has openly said she plans to return to Europe. The city needs a fresh start to bring the residents together and you had a chance and blew it.[/p][/quote]You are getting worse! Its conspiracy theories now! Lady Porter was guilty of moving out council tennants in Westminster in order to increase the Conservative vote. The Universities however, are independant from the council and have an aspiration to expand by 5000 students. I notice in the Argus Bill Randall (Green) expressed concern that this will cause unwanted pressure on the housing stock. I think you will find the Council has limited influence over the universities. The council is allowing ONLY 515 car parking spaces (265 for students) for 1288 student flats and 350 residential flats and houses according to... http://present.brigh ton-hove.gov.uk/Publ ished/C00000689/M000 04687/AI00037558/$Pr eston%20Barracks%20R edevelopment_v1.doc. pdf It is estimated that the Central Research Laboratory part of the development will also create 740 jobs and £466 million for the local economy. They will not be Mcjobs or stacking shelves (nothing wrong with them, but they pays badly and prospects limited). That so FEW car parking spaces have been provided, as the site of Preston Barracks, Mithras House and Watts Car Park is due to the proximity of a railway station with a decent service, decent bus route and reasonable cycle lanes. You may not like it, but you will find yourself in a tiny, tiny minority. Here is an idea...you could get a job there, its right on your doorstep. Oh yes, I don't think council tax payers will take too kindly to being called revolting![/p][/quote]The only minority post 5/5/15 will be the number of green councillors. I for one are looking forward to handing Ian davey his P45. You I'm afraid will have to look elsewhere for your green consultancy trough. Buy your own dirink tomorrow. You cn aford it at yopu hourly rates.[/p][/quote]I certainly can afford to buy my own drink at my hourly rates if you are too tight to get the shout in. However, not that you are interested, the money will not have come via B&HCC. Whatever the administration post 5/5/15 my remuneration will be unaffected thanks. But don't let me stop you going on and on and on desperately trying to not discuss any point in the subject of the article. HJarrs
  • Score: -1

10:01pm Sun 9 Feb 14

fredflintstone1 says...

So why not ban university students from having cars? They manage this successfully in Oxford and Cambridge. Win-win for you, surely, getting them on their bikes?

Ah, of course - slight fly in the ointment. Don't want to upset your core vote of course. Yet students get subsidised travel and this wonderful array of cycle lanes to enjoy. Note how you again refer to 'young people' repeatedly - the Green obsession. Has there ever been a more ageist, arrogant, out-of-touch council?

Interesting that Maxwell's Ghost comes up with informed comments based on personal cycling experience, which you simply can't answer.
So why not ban university students from having cars? They manage this successfully in Oxford and Cambridge. Win-win for you, surely, getting them on their bikes? Ah, of course - slight fly in the ointment. Don't want to upset your core vote of course. Yet students get subsidised travel and this wonderful array of cycle lanes to enjoy. Note how you again refer to 'young people' repeatedly - the Green obsession. Has there ever been a more ageist, arrogant, out-of-touch council? Interesting that Maxwell's Ghost comes up with informed comments based on personal cycling experience, which you simply can't answer. fredflintstone1
  • Score: 8

12:32am Mon 10 Feb 14

Gribbet says...

Quiterie wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Quiterie wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Quiterie wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Well done Davey, bus ridership is up as is cycling in the city. Being hate figure No.1 of the moanerati shows you are doing something right and is something I think you can be proud of!

Many towns and cities across the country are following Brighton and Hove's lead in providing a choice of transport options. Tens of thousands of council tax paying households in the city do not own cars or do not soley use cars and have been largely ignored previously. At last, a tiny amount of our council tax is going towards cycling facilities, improved bus routes, bus information and pedestrainisation rather than spending all the transport element just on road vehicles. The council should also be congratulated for having to spend so little council tax while getting so much external funding and getting so much done, it has been extremely successful in bidding for various grants then getting on with the work.

How I look forward to my good Argus commenting friends celebrating the start of the work to improve as far as practicable, the Vogue Gyratory, a disgraceful deathrap that should never have been built.
Where's your evidence that cycling has increased under the Greens?
Nothing to do with the greens apart from coincidence, but in 2012, 3.6 million bicycles were sold in Britain compared with 2 million cars, this would lead me to suspect that cycling is becoming more popular. Same trend is happening all across Europe too, bikes outselling cars for the first time since WW2. I think that justifies the expense and temporary disruption of having a few cycle lanes installed around town.
You've given me one meaningless data point. That's not a 'trend' is it? You don't work for the Council do you?
Well you may not like it, but it's a real trend that's actually taking place for a few years now. I also can't prove to you on here that the Taj Mahal actually exists, but like the trend in the growth of cycling, it's there if you want to investigate for yourself.
I have investigated it myself. I was just hoping that you pro-cycling guys might have the data at your fingertips.

I had a look at cyclinginfo.co.uk and found the Brighton and Hove is right near the bottom of the table of cycle use. Not very impressive!

... and don't get me started on the Taj Mahal.......!
Cheers for taking the lead and following that up for yourself. I'm also not overly impressed with Brighton as a cycling town given it's potential, thanks for pointing that out, kind of kills the usual argument that Brighton cyclists are a spoilt bunch compared to other towns. We definitely need more money spent (and more temporary traffic disruption) doing more to put Brighton on a par with the better cycling towns up and down the country.
[quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Well done Davey, bus ridership is up as is cycling in the city. Being hate figure No.1 of the moanerati shows you are doing something right and is something I think you can be proud of! Many towns and cities across the country are following Brighton and Hove's lead in providing a choice of transport options. Tens of thousands of council tax paying households in the city do not own cars or do not soley use cars and have been largely ignored previously. At last, a tiny amount of our council tax is going towards cycling facilities, improved bus routes, bus information and pedestrainisation rather than spending all the transport element just on road vehicles. The council should also be congratulated for having to spend so little council tax while getting so much external funding and getting so much done, it has been extremely successful in bidding for various grants then getting on with the work. How I look forward to my good Argus commenting friends celebrating the start of the work to improve as far as practicable, the Vogue Gyratory, a disgraceful deathrap that should never have been built.[/p][/quote]Where's your evidence that cycling has increased under the Greens?[/p][/quote]Nothing to do with the greens apart from coincidence, but in 2012, 3.6 million bicycles were sold in Britain compared with 2 million cars, this would lead me to suspect that cycling is becoming more popular. Same trend is happening all across Europe too, bikes outselling cars for the first time since WW2. I think that justifies the expense and temporary disruption of having a few cycle lanes installed around town.[/p][/quote]You've given me one meaningless data point. That's not a 'trend' is it? You don't work for the Council do you?[/p][/quote]Well you may not like it, but it's a real trend that's actually taking place for a few years now. I also can't prove to you on here that the Taj Mahal actually exists, but like the trend in the growth of cycling, it's there if you want to investigate for yourself.[/p][/quote]I have investigated it myself. I was just hoping that you pro-cycling guys might have the data at your fingertips. I had a look at cyclinginfo.co.uk and found the Brighton and Hove is right near the bottom of the table of cycle use. Not very impressive! ... and don't get me started on the Taj Mahal.......![/p][/quote]Cheers for taking the lead and following that up for yourself. I'm also not overly impressed with Brighton as a cycling town given it's potential, thanks for pointing that out, kind of kills the usual argument that Brighton cyclists are a spoilt bunch compared to other towns. We definitely need more money spent (and more temporary traffic disruption) doing more to put Brighton on a par with the better cycling towns up and down the country. Gribbet
  • Score: -4

2:37am Mon 10 Feb 14

mimseycal says...

The Transport Committee takes evidence on cycling safety for the third time on Monday 10 February 2014 in The Thatcher Room, Portcullis House.

They have invited 3 witnesses to testify from 4:05pm. These to be followed by 5 witnesses at 4:45pm and the entire process to be wound up by a further 5 witnesses from 5:25pm.

Ian Davey is listed as being one of the witnesses in the second group. I've just read the transcript of the last oral evidence session. It is hardly the stuff careers are made of ...
The Transport Committee takes evidence on cycling safety for the third time on Monday 10 February 2014 in The Thatcher Room, Portcullis House. They have invited 3 witnesses to testify from 4:05pm. These to be followed by 5 witnesses at 4:45pm and the entire process to be wound up by a further 5 witnesses from 5:25pm. Ian Davey is listed as being one of the witnesses in the second group. I've just read the transcript of the last oral evidence session. It is hardly the stuff careers are made of ... mimseycal
  • Score: 1

6:59am Mon 10 Feb 14

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! says...

fredflintstone1 wrote:
So why not ban university students from having cars? They manage this successfully in Oxford and Cambridge. Win-win for you, surely, getting them on their bikes?

Ah, of course - slight fly in the ointment. Don't want to upset your core vote of course. Yet students get subsidised travel and this wonderful array of cycle lanes to enjoy. Note how you again refer to 'young people' repeatedly - the Green obsession. Has there ever been a more ageist, arrogant, out-of-touch council?

Interesting that Maxwell's Ghost comes up with informed comments based on personal cycling experience, which you simply can't answer.
HJ says its difficult to comment on specifics, although has a good knowledge of some of the cycle arrangements in the area of London, which is home.

Apparently people like Maxwell are a real nuisance coming on here using fact and first hand experience.
[quote][p][bold]fredflintstone1[/bold] wrote: So why not ban university students from having cars? They manage this successfully in Oxford and Cambridge. Win-win for you, surely, getting them on their bikes? Ah, of course - slight fly in the ointment. Don't want to upset your core vote of course. Yet students get subsidised travel and this wonderful array of cycle lanes to enjoy. Note how you again refer to 'young people' repeatedly - the Green obsession. Has there ever been a more ageist, arrogant, out-of-touch council? Interesting that Maxwell's Ghost comes up with informed comments based on personal cycling experience, which you simply can't answer.[/p][/quote]HJ says its difficult to comment on specifics, although has a good knowledge of some of the cycle arrangements in the area of London, which is home. Apparently people like Maxwell are a real nuisance coming on here using fact and first hand experience. I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars!
  • Score: 3

7:09am Mon 10 Feb 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

It's over for the Greens. They had a chance and they blew it by not listening to residents. Add to that the in party bickering and the inappropriate behaviour by some individuals and you get a frustrated public who have lost patience.
It's a shame they don't stand down to give the city another chance but I guess why would you when you can claim allowances for another year.
It's over for the Greens. They had a chance and they blew it by not listening to residents. Add to that the in party bickering and the inappropriate behaviour by some individuals and you get a frustrated public who have lost patience. It's a shame they don't stand down to give the city another chance but I guess why would you when you can claim allowances for another year. Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: 4

7:16am Mon 10 Feb 14

HJarrs says...

fredflintstone1 wrote:
So why not ban university students from having cars? They manage this successfully in Oxford and Cambridge. Win-win for you, surely, getting them on their bikes?

Ah, of course - slight fly in the ointment. Don't want to upset your core vote of course. Yet students get subsidised travel and this wonderful array of cycle lanes to enjoy. Note how you again refer to 'young people' repeatedly - the Green obsession. Has there ever been a more ageist, arrogant, out-of-touch council?

Interesting that Maxwell's Ghost comes up with informed comments based on personal cycling experience, which you simply can't answer.
When someone claims that only 20 (latterly 150) people a day cycle along Lewes Rd (the last figures were 2400 just north of the Gyratory, I have counted more than 20 cyclists myself in 12 mins on a winters day!) and says not one word of encouragement to get people cycling (or about anything else!), blinded by a hatred of the Greens (and lots of other things), I tend to take his comments on cycling with a very big pinch of salt!
[quote][p][bold]fredflintstone1[/bold] wrote: So why not ban university students from having cars? They manage this successfully in Oxford and Cambridge. Win-win for you, surely, getting them on their bikes? Ah, of course - slight fly in the ointment. Don't want to upset your core vote of course. Yet students get subsidised travel and this wonderful array of cycle lanes to enjoy. Note how you again refer to 'young people' repeatedly - the Green obsession. Has there ever been a more ageist, arrogant, out-of-touch council? Interesting that Maxwell's Ghost comes up with informed comments based on personal cycling experience, which you simply can't answer.[/p][/quote]When someone claims that only 20 (latterly 150) people a day cycle along Lewes Rd (the last figures were 2400 just north of the Gyratory, I have counted more than 20 cyclists myself in 12 mins on a winters day!) and says not one word of encouragement to get people cycling (or about anything else!), blinded by a hatred of the Greens (and lots of other things), I tend to take his comments on cycling with a very big pinch of salt! HJarrs
  • Score: -5

8:48am Mon 10 Feb 14

mimseycal says...

Good grief HJarrs, with that number of cyclists ... the place must be crawling with them as a matter of regular occurrence. The few times I've been up or down Lewes road I've never seen more then a couple at any given time.

How much north of the gyratory are we talking about?
Good grief HJarrs, with that number of cyclists ... the place must be crawling with them as a matter of regular occurrence. The few times I've been up or down Lewes road I've never seen more then a couple at any given time. How much north of the gyratory are we talking about? mimseycal
  • Score: 4

9:25am Mon 10 Feb 14

Gribbet says...

mimseycal wrote:
Good grief HJarrs, with that number of cyclists ... the place must be crawling with them as a matter of regular occurrence. The few times I've been up or down Lewes road I've never seen more then a couple at any given time.

How much north of the gyratory are we talking about?
It's probably because you're too busy checking Facebook on your moby.
[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: Good grief HJarrs, with that number of cyclists ... the place must be crawling with them as a matter of regular occurrence. The few times I've been up or down Lewes road I've never seen more then a couple at any given time. How much north of the gyratory are we talking about?[/p][/quote]It's probably because you're too busy checking Facebook on your moby. Gribbet
  • Score: -4

12:01pm Mon 10 Feb 14

Seventh Circle says...

HJarrs wrote:
Seventh Circle wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Seventh Circle wrote:
Perhaps he can explain how the totally unnecessary bus lane in Lewes Road has resulted in the tragic death of an 18 year old student.
Before the bus lanes were built I can't remember one single pedestrian fatality.. and now there've been 2 (the lady from Eastbourne at the bottom of North Road) as well as numerous other serious incidents
Perhaps you can explain first. The young woman died at a pedestrain crossing with clear sight of the road. The road had not changed in width, nor speed, nor have buses suddenly started using the inside lane and been unexpected. Just an unfortunate accident.
As someome who grew up in the Lewes Road area from the 60's.... it fills me with incredulity... particularly when going past Saunders Park.... that this scheme was ever considered.. never mind implemented.
The whole of the Lewes Road is awaiting serious accidents as a result.
Cars are being directed into the outside lane and then allowed to cut back in at the B & Q turn off junction.
It's the same going the other way.
It is neither pedestrian, bus or car friendly.
As I say, I cannot recall one single pedestrian/bus fatality prior to the bus lanes being built.
Your party's insane traffic schemes are responsible for the death of an 18 year old student.
Buses and taxis storm up the inside lanes regardless of anyone and that is why that accident happened.
Is that plain enough for you to understand? That girl would not have died if a bus lane hadn't been needlessly and expensively built on that section of road.
We are not London with roads endlessly clogged with traffic everywhere. Cars are backed up on every busy road in Brighton as a result of these needless and unnecessary bus lanes.
And this is from a cycle users viewpoint
How many more people have to die before your party sees sense?
I am afraid that you are using the death of a young woman in a tragic accident just because you personally do not like the road layout. However, an inquest did consider the previous layout a significant factor in a young cyclist being killed near Coldean Lane. The cycle scheme was designed in consultation with her family. I have cycled, driven and buses up the Lewes rd in and out of rush hour. I found cycling much improved both for convenience and safety, the buses have not been held up in traffic and 12mins from Coldean Lane to Elm Grove did not seem unreasonable. Roll on the Gyratory.
You could at least get your facts right. That cyclist was killed by a car near the University of Sussex concrete sign on the Lewes Road slip road into the University which has since been removed. This is also still a very hazardous area when traffic merges on to the A27.
I repeat, I'm a cycle user and have found cycle lane layouts dangerous in many places, particularly ones on pavements that pedestrians wander on to... dangerous to both pedestrians and cyclists alike as I've found out to my cost heading into brighton on the London road beneath the Viaduct.
Whoever has designed these 'improvements' is a moron.
It was with incredulity that I came across a junction change exiting the A27 on Patcham westbound towards Vale Avenue a while back when instead of having to stop to give way to traffic from the right, the lines were now painted so that traffic had to stop on the roundabout at one of the busiest junctions in Sussex. I thought then that there had to be a complete and utter moron responsible for this extremely dangerous design. It was quickly put back to how it was.
It appears probable that the same one/s are responsible for the other traffic schemes.
When bus lanes are created it's like creating a mini railway line with a clearway and buses and taxis hammering along down them. Fine in theory except when cars want to exit left and pedestrians that have unrestricted access to them.
Can you imagine the accidents that would occur if pedestrians had unrestricted access to the railway lines in and around Brighton and could cross over them anywhere they wanted. There are too many blackspots and hazardous areas to name on the new bus/cycle lanes.
If the 18 year old victim of this accident had been your daughter, you might have a very different opinion about these so called 'improvements'
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seventh Circle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seventh Circle[/bold] wrote: Perhaps he can explain how the totally unnecessary bus lane in Lewes Road has resulted in the tragic death of an 18 year old student. Before the bus lanes were built I can't remember one single pedestrian fatality.. and now there've been 2 (the lady from Eastbourne at the bottom of North Road) as well as numerous other serious incidents[/p][/quote]Perhaps you can explain first. The young woman died at a pedestrain crossing with clear sight of the road. The road had not changed in width, nor speed, nor have buses suddenly started using the inside lane and been unexpected. Just an unfortunate accident.[/p][/quote]As someome who grew up in the Lewes Road area from the 60's.... it fills me with incredulity... particularly when going past Saunders Park.... that this scheme was ever considered.. never mind implemented. The whole of the Lewes Road is awaiting serious accidents as a result. Cars are being directed into the outside lane and then allowed to cut back in at the B & Q turn off junction. It's the same going the other way. It is neither pedestrian, bus or car friendly. As I say, I cannot recall one single pedestrian/bus fatality prior to the bus lanes being built. Your party's insane traffic schemes are responsible for the death of an 18 year old student. Buses and taxis storm up the inside lanes regardless of anyone and that is why that accident happened. Is that plain enough for you to understand? That girl would not have died if a bus lane hadn't been needlessly and expensively built on that section of road. We are not London with roads endlessly clogged with traffic everywhere. Cars are backed up on every busy road in Brighton as a result of these needless and unnecessary bus lanes. And this is from a cycle users viewpoint How many more people have to die before your party sees sense?[/p][/quote]I am afraid that you are using the death of a young woman in a tragic accident just because you personally do not like the road layout. However, an inquest did consider the previous layout a significant factor in a young cyclist being killed near Coldean Lane. The cycle scheme was designed in consultation with her family. I have cycled, driven and buses up the Lewes rd in and out of rush hour. I found cycling much improved both for convenience and safety, the buses have not been held up in traffic and 12mins from Coldean Lane to Elm Grove did not seem unreasonable. Roll on the Gyratory.[/p][/quote]You could at least get your facts right. That cyclist was killed by a car near the University of Sussex concrete sign on the Lewes Road slip road into the University which has since been removed. This is also still a very hazardous area when traffic merges on to the A27. I repeat, I'm a cycle user and have found cycle lane layouts dangerous in many places, particularly ones on pavements that pedestrians wander on to... dangerous to both pedestrians and cyclists alike as I've found out to my cost heading into brighton on the London road beneath the Viaduct. Whoever has designed these 'improvements' is a moron. It was with incredulity that I came across a junction change exiting the A27 on Patcham westbound towards Vale Avenue a while back when instead of having to stop to give way to traffic from the right, the lines were now painted so that traffic had to stop on the roundabout at one of the busiest junctions in Sussex. I thought then that there had to be a complete and utter moron responsible for this extremely dangerous design. It was quickly put back to how it was. It appears probable that the same one/s are responsible for the other traffic schemes. When bus lanes are created it's like creating a mini railway line with a clearway and buses and taxis hammering along down them. Fine in theory except when cars want to exit left and pedestrians that have unrestricted access to them. Can you imagine the accidents that would occur if pedestrians had unrestricted access to the railway lines in and around Brighton and could cross over them anywhere they wanted. There are too many blackspots and hazardous areas to name on the new bus/cycle lanes. If the 18 year old victim of this accident had been your daughter, you might have a very different opinion about these so called 'improvements' Seventh Circle
  • Score: 4

1:34pm Mon 10 Feb 14

thevoiceoftruth says...

Gribbet wrote:
Plantpot wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Bicycle fanatics multi purchase. I have three. Weekend cycling and off road hobby cyclists are also a huge market and these cycles are often carried on cars to off road locations as are road bikes to favoured routes ie Box Hill. I saw two BMX ers take their bikes out of their ford fiesta at the level. hobby cycling has become popular but perhaps the everyday commuting or day to day cycling. I live in a street with 30 student houses and I only see one student cycling. The student bus tickets are much better value and less effort.
The reality is there are the same old faces cycling on the Lewes road and the atrocious weather has scuppered many many cycling events and cyclists. That's the reality, 70mph winds are not welcomed by anyone on two wheels. .
Why do you hate cyclists? You never post anything positive, you rabbit on about how great a cyclist you are, then pour scorn and vitriol on even the slightest move to encourage more people to cycle. Why is this Maxwell?
Cyclists are an open goal because the few that do use the road believe they are too cool to do anything as banal as follow the highway code.
How long ago was it that you last read-up on the highway code? Do you own a copy of the handbook? Have you revised the highway code since passing your driving test?

In my case I haven't read-up on the highway code since passing my driving test in 1995 and I don't own a copy, yourself?
That explains why you don't understand the guidelines for pedestrians - as I had this discussion with you in another thread and you seemed completely ignorant to the law. So I'm assuming you don't know much about the highway code in relation to bicycles or vehicles. Perhaps it's time for you to brush up on your knowledge? I passed my test long before you, so there's really no excuse for not knowing the rules.
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Bicycle fanatics multi purchase. I have three. Weekend cycling and off road hobby cyclists are also a huge market and these cycles are often carried on cars to off road locations as are road bikes to favoured routes ie Box Hill. I saw two BMX ers take their bikes out of their ford fiesta at the level. hobby cycling has become popular but perhaps the everyday commuting or day to day cycling. I live in a street with 30 student houses and I only see one student cycling. The student bus tickets are much better value and less effort. The reality is there are the same old faces cycling on the Lewes road and the atrocious weather has scuppered many many cycling events and cyclists. That's the reality, 70mph winds are not welcomed by anyone on two wheels. .[/p][/quote]Why do you hate cyclists? You never post anything positive, you rabbit on about how great a cyclist you are, then pour scorn and vitriol on even the slightest move to encourage more people to cycle. Why is this Maxwell?[/p][/quote]Cyclists are an open goal because the few that do use the road believe they are too cool to do anything as banal as follow the highway code.[/p][/quote]How long ago was it that you last read-up on the highway code? Do you own a copy of the handbook? Have you revised the highway code since passing your driving test? In my case I haven't read-up on the highway code since passing my driving test in 1995 and I don't own a copy, yourself?[/p][/quote]That explains why you don't understand the guidelines for pedestrians - as I had this discussion with you in another thread and you seemed completely ignorant to the law. So I'm assuming you don't know much about the highway code in relation to bicycles or vehicles. Perhaps it's time for you to brush up on your knowledge? I passed my test long before you, so there's really no excuse for not knowing the rules. thevoiceoftruth
  • Score: 0

1:44pm Mon 10 Feb 14

thevoiceoftruth says...

HJarrs wrote:
fredflintstone1 wrote:
So why not ban university students from having cars? They manage this successfully in Oxford and Cambridge. Win-win for you, surely, getting them on their bikes?

Ah, of course - slight fly in the ointment. Don't want to upset your core vote of course. Yet students get subsidised travel and this wonderful array of cycle lanes to enjoy. Note how you again refer to 'young people' repeatedly - the Green obsession. Has there ever been a more ageist, arrogant, out-of-touch council?

Interesting that Maxwell's Ghost comes up with informed comments based on personal cycling experience, which you simply can't answer.
When someone claims that only 20 (latterly 150) people a day cycle along Lewes Rd (the last figures were 2400 just north of the Gyratory, I have counted more than 20 cyclists myself in 12 mins on a winters day!) and says not one word of encouragement to get people cycling (or about anything else!), blinded by a hatred of the Greens (and lots of other things), I tend to take his comments on cycling with a very big pinch of salt!
2,400? Must have been counting during the London to Brighton cycle race! Funnily enough, we did have an expensive cycle counter installed on the Lewes Road which would have given accurate results, but it mysteriously stopped working and was never fixed. So instead we have to rely on the council's figures which seem to be contrary to what we view with our own eyes.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fredflintstone1[/bold] wrote: So why not ban university students from having cars? They manage this successfully in Oxford and Cambridge. Win-win for you, surely, getting them on their bikes? Ah, of course - slight fly in the ointment. Don't want to upset your core vote of course. Yet students get subsidised travel and this wonderful array of cycle lanes to enjoy. Note how you again refer to 'young people' repeatedly - the Green obsession. Has there ever been a more ageist, arrogant, out-of-touch council? Interesting that Maxwell's Ghost comes up with informed comments based on personal cycling experience, which you simply can't answer.[/p][/quote]When someone claims that only 20 (latterly 150) people a day cycle along Lewes Rd (the last figures were 2400 just north of the Gyratory, I have counted more than 20 cyclists myself in 12 mins on a winters day!) and says not one word of encouragement to get people cycling (or about anything else!), blinded by a hatred of the Greens (and lots of other things), I tend to take his comments on cycling with a very big pinch of salt![/p][/quote]2,400? Must have been counting during the London to Brighton cycle race! Funnily enough, we did have an expensive cycle counter installed on the Lewes Road which would have given accurate results, but it mysteriously stopped working and was never fixed. So instead we have to rely on the council's figures which seem to be contrary to what we view with our own eyes. thevoiceoftruth
  • Score: 5

2:46pm Mon 10 Feb 14

Gribbet says...

thevoiceoftruth wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Plantpot wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Bicycle fanatics multi purchase. I have three. Weekend cycling and off road hobby cyclists are also a huge market and these cycles are often carried on cars to off road locations as are road bikes to favoured routes ie Box Hill. I saw two BMX ers take their bikes out of their ford fiesta at the level. hobby cycling has become popular but perhaps the everyday commuting or day to day cycling. I live in a street with 30 student houses and I only see one student cycling. The student bus tickets are much better value and less effort.
The reality is there are the same old faces cycling on the Lewes road and the atrocious weather has scuppered many many cycling events and cyclists. That's the reality, 70mph winds are not welcomed by anyone on two wheels. .
Why do you hate cyclists? You never post anything positive, you rabbit on about how great a cyclist you are, then pour scorn and vitriol on even the slightest move to encourage more people to cycle. Why is this Maxwell?
Cyclists are an open goal because the few that do use the road believe they are too cool to do anything as banal as follow the highway code.
How long ago was it that you last read-up on the highway code? Do you own a copy of the handbook? Have you revised the highway code since passing your driving test?

In my case I haven't read-up on the highway code since passing my driving test in 1995 and I don't own a copy, yourself?
That explains why you don't understand the guidelines for pedestrians - as I had this discussion with you in another thread and you seemed completely ignorant to the law. So I'm assuming you don't know much about the highway code in relation to bicycles or vehicles. Perhaps it's time for you to brush up on your knowledge? I passed my test long before you, so there's really no excuse for not knowing the rules.
My knowledge is fit for purpose and as good as anyone's, I just don't study the highway code religiously like it's a bible, it isn't necessary. Having an encyclopaedic knowledge of the highway code doesn't make you a safe driver, just makes you an angry, pedantic, rain-man type character. It's much better to be courteous and respectful to other road users and make allowances for other people's mistakes rather than getting in a rage every time someone infringes your favourite obscure rule in the highway code.

I remember our argument, it was the one where you were saying that if someone crossed the road without looking and you ran them over in your car, you'd have no sympathy for them because you'd legally be in the right.
[quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Bicycle fanatics multi purchase. I have three. Weekend cycling and off road hobby cyclists are also a huge market and these cycles are often carried on cars to off road locations as are road bikes to favoured routes ie Box Hill. I saw two BMX ers take their bikes out of their ford fiesta at the level. hobby cycling has become popular but perhaps the everyday commuting or day to day cycling. I live in a street with 30 student houses and I only see one student cycling. The student bus tickets are much better value and less effort. The reality is there are the same old faces cycling on the Lewes road and the atrocious weather has scuppered many many cycling events and cyclists. That's the reality, 70mph winds are not welcomed by anyone on two wheels. .[/p][/quote]Why do you hate cyclists? You never post anything positive, you rabbit on about how great a cyclist you are, then pour scorn and vitriol on even the slightest move to encourage more people to cycle. Why is this Maxwell?[/p][/quote]Cyclists are an open goal because the few that do use the road believe they are too cool to do anything as banal as follow the highway code.[/p][/quote]How long ago was it that you last read-up on the highway code? Do you own a copy of the handbook? Have you revised the highway code since passing your driving test? In my case I haven't read-up on the highway code since passing my driving test in 1995 and I don't own a copy, yourself?[/p][/quote]That explains why you don't understand the guidelines for pedestrians - as I had this discussion with you in another thread and you seemed completely ignorant to the law. So I'm assuming you don't know much about the highway code in relation to bicycles or vehicles. Perhaps it's time for you to brush up on your knowledge? I passed my test long before you, so there's really no excuse for not knowing the rules.[/p][/quote]My knowledge is fit for purpose and as good as anyone's, I just don't study the highway code religiously like it's a bible, it isn't necessary. Having an encyclopaedic knowledge of the highway code doesn't make you a safe driver, just makes you an angry, pedantic, rain-man type character. It's much better to be courteous and respectful to other road users and make allowances for other people's mistakes rather than getting in a rage every time someone infringes your favourite obscure rule in the highway code. I remember our argument, it was the one where you were saying that if someone crossed the road without looking and you ran them over in your car, you'd have no sympathy for them because you'd legally be in the right. Gribbet
  • Score: -2

3:02pm Mon 10 Feb 14

thevoiceoftruth says...

Gribbet wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Plantpot wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Bicycle fanatics multi purchase. I have three. Weekend cycling and off road hobby cyclists are also a huge market and these cycles are often carried on cars to off road locations as are road bikes to favoured routes ie Box Hill. I saw two BMX ers take their bikes out of their ford fiesta at the level. hobby cycling has become popular but perhaps the everyday commuting or day to day cycling. I live in a street with 30 student houses and I only see one student cycling. The student bus tickets are much better value and less effort.
The reality is there are the same old faces cycling on the Lewes road and the atrocious weather has scuppered many many cycling events and cyclists. That's the reality, 70mph winds are not welcomed by anyone on two wheels. .
Why do you hate cyclists? You never post anything positive, you rabbit on about how great a cyclist you are, then pour scorn and vitriol on even the slightest move to encourage more people to cycle. Why is this Maxwell?
Cyclists are an open goal because the few that do use the road believe they are too cool to do anything as banal as follow the highway code.
How long ago was it that you last read-up on the highway code? Do you own a copy of the handbook? Have you revised the highway code since passing your driving test?

In my case I haven't read-up on the highway code since passing my driving test in 1995 and I don't own a copy, yourself?
That explains why you don't understand the guidelines for pedestrians - as I had this discussion with you in another thread and you seemed completely ignorant to the law. So I'm assuming you don't know much about the highway code in relation to bicycles or vehicles. Perhaps it's time for you to brush up on your knowledge? I passed my test long before you, so there's really no excuse for not knowing the rules.
My knowledge is fit for purpose and as good as anyone's, I just don't study the highway code religiously like it's a bible, it isn't necessary. Having an encyclopaedic knowledge of the highway code doesn't make you a safe driver, just makes you an angry, pedantic, rain-man type character. It's much better to be courteous and respectful to other road users and make allowances for other people's mistakes rather than getting in a rage every time someone infringes your favourite obscure rule in the highway code.

I remember our argument, it was the one where you were saying that if someone crossed the road without looking and you ran them over in your car, you'd have no sympathy for them because you'd legally be in the right.
Err no - I think your memory is failing. I said that the law also applies to pedestrians so if someone was crossing dangerously and I was unfortunate enough to hit them, then I would not be considered to be at fault. Obviously I would do an emergency stop and do my best not to hit them. No doubt you will reinterpret that to say I drive like I'm playing grand theft auto. Such is the nonsense you come out with.

I suggest you revisit the highway code as you seem to have a poor memory.
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Bicycle fanatics multi purchase. I have three. Weekend cycling and off road hobby cyclists are also a huge market and these cycles are often carried on cars to off road locations as are road bikes to favoured routes ie Box Hill. I saw two BMX ers take their bikes out of their ford fiesta at the level. hobby cycling has become popular but perhaps the everyday commuting or day to day cycling. I live in a street with 30 student houses and I only see one student cycling. The student bus tickets are much better value and less effort. The reality is there are the same old faces cycling on the Lewes road and the atrocious weather has scuppered many many cycling events and cyclists. That's the reality, 70mph winds are not welcomed by anyone on two wheels. .[/p][/quote]Why do you hate cyclists? You never post anything positive, you rabbit on about how great a cyclist you are, then pour scorn and vitriol on even the slightest move to encourage more people to cycle. Why is this Maxwell?[/p][/quote]Cyclists are an open goal because the few that do use the road believe they are too cool to do anything as banal as follow the highway code.[/p][/quote]How long ago was it that you last read-up on the highway code? Do you own a copy of the handbook? Have you revised the highway code since passing your driving test? In my case I haven't read-up on the highway code since passing my driving test in 1995 and I don't own a copy, yourself?[/p][/quote]That explains why you don't understand the guidelines for pedestrians - as I had this discussion with you in another thread and you seemed completely ignorant to the law. So I'm assuming you don't know much about the highway code in relation to bicycles or vehicles. Perhaps it's time for you to brush up on your knowledge? I passed my test long before you, so there's really no excuse for not knowing the rules.[/p][/quote]My knowledge is fit for purpose and as good as anyone's, I just don't study the highway code religiously like it's a bible, it isn't necessary. Having an encyclopaedic knowledge of the highway code doesn't make you a safe driver, just makes you an angry, pedantic, rain-man type character. It's much better to be courteous and respectful to other road users and make allowances for other people's mistakes rather than getting in a rage every time someone infringes your favourite obscure rule in the highway code. I remember our argument, it was the one where you were saying that if someone crossed the road without looking and you ran them over in your car, you'd have no sympathy for them because you'd legally be in the right.[/p][/quote]Err no - I think your memory is failing. I said that the law also applies to pedestrians so if someone was crossing dangerously and I was unfortunate enough to hit them, then I would not be considered to be at fault. Obviously I would do an emergency stop and do my best not to hit them. No doubt you will reinterpret that to say I drive like I'm playing grand theft auto. Such is the nonsense you come out with. I suggest you revisit the highway code as you seem to have a poor memory. thevoiceoftruth
  • Score: 1

6:49pm Mon 10 Feb 14

HJarrs says...

thevoiceoftruth wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Plantpot wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote: Bicycle fanatics multi purchase. I have three. Weekend cycling and off road hobby cyclists are also a huge market and these cycles are often carried on cars to off road locations as are road bikes to favoured routes ie Box Hill. I saw two BMX ers take their bikes out of their ford fiesta at the level. hobby cycling has become popular but perhaps the everyday commuting or day to day cycling. I live in a street with 30 student houses and I only see one student cycling. The student bus tickets are much better value and less effort. The reality is there are the same old faces cycling on the Lewes road and the atrocious weather has scuppered many many cycling events and cyclists. That's the reality, 70mph winds are not welcomed by anyone on two wheels. .
Why do you hate cyclists? You never post anything positive, you rabbit on about how great a cyclist you are, then pour scorn and vitriol on even the slightest move to encourage more people to cycle. Why is this Maxwell?
Cyclists are an open goal because the few that do use the road believe they are too cool to do anything as banal as follow the highway code.
How long ago was it that you last read-up on the highway code? Do you own a copy of the handbook? Have you revised the highway code since passing your driving test? In my case I haven't read-up on the highway code since passing my driving test in 1995 and I don't own a copy, yourself?
That explains why you don't understand the guidelines for pedestrians - as I had this discussion with you in another thread and you seemed completely ignorant to the law. So I'm assuming you don't know much about the highway code in relation to bicycles or vehicles. Perhaps it's time for you to brush up on your knowledge? I passed my test long before you, so there's really no excuse for not knowing the rules.
My knowledge is fit for purpose and as good as anyone's, I just don't study the highway code religiously like it's a bible, it isn't necessary. Having an encyclopaedic knowledge of the highway code doesn't make you a safe driver, just makes you an angry, pedantic, rain-man type character. It's much better to be courteous and respectful to other road users and make allowances for other people's mistakes rather than getting in a rage every time someone infringes your favourite obscure rule in the highway code. I remember our argument, it was the one where you were saying that if someone crossed the road without looking and you ran them over in your car, you'd have no sympathy for them because you'd legally be in the right.
Err no - I think your memory is failing. I said that the law also applies to pedestrians so if someone was crossing dangerously and I was unfortunate enough to hit them, then I would not be considered to be at fault. Obviously I would do an emergency stop and do my best not to hit them. No doubt you will reinterpret that to say I drive like I'm playing grand theft auto. Such is the nonsense you come out with. I suggest you revisit the highway code as you seem to have a poor memory.
Indeed it may be nobody's "fault" but rather a system failure; confusion, fatigue, lack of training, lack of compitence, poor road design etc, etc, etc.
[quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Bicycle fanatics multi purchase. I have three. Weekend cycling and off road hobby cyclists are also a huge market and these cycles are often carried on cars to off road locations as are road bikes to favoured routes ie Box Hill. I saw two BMX ers take their bikes out of their ford fiesta at the level. hobby cycling has become popular but perhaps the everyday commuting or day to day cycling. I live in a street with 30 student houses and I only see one student cycling. The student bus tickets are much better value and less effort. The reality is there are the same old faces cycling on the Lewes road and the atrocious weather has scuppered many many cycling events and cyclists. That's the reality, 70mph winds are not welcomed by anyone on two wheels. .[/p][/quote]Why do you hate cyclists? You never post anything positive, you rabbit on about how great a cyclist you are, then pour scorn and vitriol on even the slightest move to encourage more people to cycle. Why is this Maxwell?[/p][/quote]Cyclists are an open goal because the few that do use the road believe they are too cool to do anything as banal as follow the highway code.[/p][/quote]How long ago was it that you last read-up on the highway code? Do you own a copy of the handbook? Have you revised the highway code since passing your driving test? In my case I haven't read-up on the highway code since passing my driving test in 1995 and I don't own a copy, yourself?[/p][/quote]That explains why you don't understand the guidelines for pedestrians - as I had this discussion with you in another thread and you seemed completely ignorant to the law. So I'm assuming you don't know much about the highway code in relation to bicycles or vehicles. Perhaps it's time for you to brush up on your knowledge? I passed my test long before you, so there's really no excuse for not knowing the rules.[/p][/quote]My knowledge is fit for purpose and as good as anyone's, I just don't study the highway code religiously like it's a bible, it isn't necessary. Having an encyclopaedic knowledge of the highway code doesn't make you a safe driver, just makes you an angry, pedantic, rain-man type character. It's much better to be courteous and respectful to other road users and make allowances for other people's mistakes rather than getting in a rage every time someone infringes your favourite obscure rule in the highway code. I remember our argument, it was the one where you were saying that if someone crossed the road without looking and you ran them over in your car, you'd have no sympathy for them because you'd legally be in the right.[/p][/quote]Err no - I think your memory is failing. I said that the law also applies to pedestrians so if someone was crossing dangerously and I was unfortunate enough to hit them, then I would not be considered to be at fault. Obviously I would do an emergency stop and do my best not to hit them. No doubt you will reinterpret that to say I drive like I'm playing grand theft auto. Such is the nonsense you come out with. I suggest you revisit the highway code as you seem to have a poor memory.[/p][/quote]Indeed it may be nobody's "fault" but rather a system failure; confusion, fatigue, lack of training, lack of compitence, poor road design etc, etc, etc. HJarrs
  • Score: 0

6:51pm Mon 10 Feb 14

HJarrs says...

mimseycal wrote:
Good grief HJarrs, with that number of cyclists ... the place must be crawling with them as a matter of regular occurrence. The few times I've been up or down Lewes road I've never seen more then a couple at any given time. How much north of the gyratory are we talking about?
There certainly are not as many as there will be once the Gyratory is finished.

I am thoroughly looking forward to the Argus commentary on this.
[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: Good grief HJarrs, with that number of cyclists ... the place must be crawling with them as a matter of regular occurrence. The few times I've been up or down Lewes road I've never seen more then a couple at any given time. How much north of the gyratory are we talking about?[/p][/quote]There certainly are not as many as there will be once the Gyratory is finished. I am thoroughly looking forward to the Argus commentary on this. HJarrs
  • Score: -3

7:38pm Mon 10 Feb 14

mimseycal says...

@ HJarrs 6:51 Mon 10 Feb 14

Ah ... I see ... So you were really only exercising some projected wishful thinking rather then quoting evidence based numbers.

Fair enough HJarrs ... we are all allowed to indulge in wishful thinking once in a while.
@ HJarrs 6:51 Mon 10 Feb 14 Ah ... I see ... So you were really only exercising some projected wishful thinking rather then quoting evidence based numbers. Fair enough HJarrs ... we are all allowed to indulge in wishful thinking once in a while. mimseycal
  • Score: 0

8:49pm Mon 10 Feb 14

Dealing with idiots says...

HJarrs wrote:
Dealing with idiots wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote: Why is the council allowing 550 parking spaces for students on Preston Barracks and allowing the uni to build a car park when you claim to be creating sustainable transport systems. I shall tell you why. You want another 5,000 students to come into our town to vote for your party and to do that you will even give them things your party is opposed to. That is grubby and desperate. But the council tax payers are revolting and we are onto you, so it's over HJarrs, it's over and you know that a number of green councillors are standing down at the next election and you will also know that Caroline has openly said she plans to return to Europe. The city needs a fresh start to bring the residents together and you had a chance and blew it.
You are getting worse! Its conspiracy theories now! Lady Porter was guilty of moving out council tennants in Westminster in order to increase the Conservative vote. The Universities however, are independant from the council and have an aspiration to expand by 5000 students. I notice in the Argus Bill Randall (Green) expressed concern that this will cause unwanted pressure on the housing stock. I think you will find the Council has limited influence over the universities. The council is allowing ONLY 515 car parking spaces (265 for students) for 1288 student flats and 350 residential flats and houses according to... http://present.brigh ton-hove.gov.uk/Publ ished/C00000689/M000 04687/AI00037558/$Pr eston%20Barracks%20R edevelopment_v1.doc. pdf It is estimated that the Central Research Laboratory part of the development will also create 740 jobs and £466 million for the local economy. They will not be Mcjobs or stacking shelves (nothing wrong with them, but they pays badly and prospects limited). That so FEW car parking spaces have been provided, as the site of Preston Barracks, Mithras House and Watts Car Park is due to the proximity of a railway station with a decent service, decent bus route and reasonable cycle lanes. You may not like it, but you will find yourself in a tiny, tiny minority. Here is an idea...you could get a job there, its right on your doorstep. Oh yes, I don't think council tax payers will take too kindly to being called revolting!
The only minority post 5/5/15 will be the number of green councillors. I for one are looking forward to handing Ian davey his P45. You I'm afraid will have to look elsewhere for your green consultancy trough. Buy your own dirink tomorrow. You cn aford it at yopu hourly rates.
I certainly can afford to buy my own drink at my hourly rates if you are too tight to get the shout in. However, not that you are interested, the money will not have come via B&HCC. Whatever the administration post 5/5/15 my remuneration will be unaffected thanks. But don't let me stop you going on and on and on desperately trying to not discuss any point in the subject of the article.
I leave it to you to avoid answering the questions. The only time you speak is to quoe the party line. As to your remuneration, you gave the game away some time ago Steve. You referred to your website on a post which I then checked on WHO Is. Gave your name which I then cross checked on Linked in. You are an eco consultant with your snout firmly in the Green trough and metaphorically jasons @r*e. Lieing to us just emphasises your weak position and that you are Sh*tt*ng yourself over impending unemployment.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dealing with idiots[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Why is the council allowing 550 parking spaces for students on Preston Barracks and allowing the uni to build a car park when you claim to be creating sustainable transport systems. I shall tell you why. You want another 5,000 students to come into our town to vote for your party and to do that you will even give them things your party is opposed to. That is grubby and desperate. But the council tax payers are revolting and we are onto you, so it's over HJarrs, it's over and you know that a number of green councillors are standing down at the next election and you will also know that Caroline has openly said she plans to return to Europe. The city needs a fresh start to bring the residents together and you had a chance and blew it.[/p][/quote]You are getting worse! Its conspiracy theories now! Lady Porter was guilty of moving out council tennants in Westminster in order to increase the Conservative vote. The Universities however, are independant from the council and have an aspiration to expand by 5000 students. I notice in the Argus Bill Randall (Green) expressed concern that this will cause unwanted pressure on the housing stock. I think you will find the Council has limited influence over the universities. The council is allowing ONLY 515 car parking spaces (265 for students) for 1288 student flats and 350 residential flats and houses according to... http://present.brigh ton-hove.gov.uk/Publ ished/C00000689/M000 04687/AI00037558/$Pr eston%20Barracks%20R edevelopment_v1.doc. pdf It is estimated that the Central Research Laboratory part of the development will also create 740 jobs and £466 million for the local economy. They will not be Mcjobs or stacking shelves (nothing wrong with them, but they pays badly and prospects limited). That so FEW car parking spaces have been provided, as the site of Preston Barracks, Mithras House and Watts Car Park is due to the proximity of a railway station with a decent service, decent bus route and reasonable cycle lanes. You may not like it, but you will find yourself in a tiny, tiny minority. Here is an idea...you could get a job there, its right on your doorstep. Oh yes, I don't think council tax payers will take too kindly to being called revolting![/p][/quote]The only minority post 5/5/15 will be the number of green councillors. I for one are looking forward to handing Ian davey his P45. You I'm afraid will have to look elsewhere for your green consultancy trough. Buy your own dirink tomorrow. You cn aford it at yopu hourly rates.[/p][/quote]I certainly can afford to buy my own drink at my hourly rates if you are too tight to get the shout in. However, not that you are interested, the money will not have come via B&HCC. Whatever the administration post 5/5/15 my remuneration will be unaffected thanks. But don't let me stop you going on and on and on desperately trying to not discuss any point in the subject of the article.[/p][/quote]I leave it to you to avoid answering the questions. The only time you speak is to quoe the party line. As to your remuneration, you gave the game away some time ago Steve. You referred to your website on a post which I then checked on WHO Is. Gave your name which I then cross checked on Linked in. You are an eco consultant with your snout firmly in the Green trough and metaphorically jasons @r*e. Lieing to us just emphasises your weak position and that you are Sh*tt*ng yourself over impending unemployment. Dealing with idiots
  • Score: 2

9:13pm Mon 10 Feb 14

Richada says...

mimseycal wrote:
@ HJarrs 6:51 Mon 10 Feb 14

Ah ... I see ... So you were really only exercising some projected wishful thinking rather then quoting evidence based numbers.

Fair enough HJarrs ... we are all allowed to indulge in wishful thinking once in a while.
Yes, but sometimes we all do rather wish that he wouldn't!
[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: @ HJarrs 6:51 Mon 10 Feb 14 Ah ... I see ... So you were really only exercising some projected wishful thinking rather then quoting evidence based numbers. Fair enough HJarrs ... we are all allowed to indulge in wishful thinking once in a while.[/p][/quote]Yes, but sometimes we all do rather wish that he wouldn't! Richada
  • Score: 0

12:02am Tue 11 Feb 14

Gribbet says...

thevoiceoftruth wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Plantpot wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Bicycle fanatics multi purchase. I have three. Weekend cycling and off road hobby cyclists are also a huge market and these cycles are often carried on cars to off road locations as are road bikes to favoured routes ie Box Hill. I saw two BMX ers take their bikes out of their ford fiesta at the level. hobby cycling has become popular but perhaps the everyday commuting or day to day cycling. I live in a street with 30 student houses and I only see one student cycling. The student bus tickets are much better value and less effort.
The reality is there are the same old faces cycling on the Lewes road and the atrocious weather has scuppered many many cycling events and cyclists. That's the reality, 70mph winds are not welcomed by anyone on two wheels. .
Why do you hate cyclists? You never post anything positive, you rabbit on about how great a cyclist you are, then pour scorn and vitriol on even the slightest move to encourage more people to cycle. Why is this Maxwell?
Cyclists are an open goal because the few that do use the road believe they are too cool to do anything as banal as follow the highway code.
How long ago was it that you last read-up on the highway code? Do you own a copy of the handbook? Have you revised the highway code since passing your driving test?

In my case I haven't read-up on the highway code since passing my driving test in 1995 and I don't own a copy, yourself?
That explains why you don't understand the guidelines for pedestrians - as I had this discussion with you in another thread and you seemed completely ignorant to the law. So I'm assuming you don't know much about the highway code in relation to bicycles or vehicles. Perhaps it's time for you to brush up on your knowledge? I passed my test long before you, so there's really no excuse for not knowing the rules.
My knowledge is fit for purpose and as good as anyone's, I just don't study the highway code religiously like it's a bible, it isn't necessary. Having an encyclopaedic knowledge of the highway code doesn't make you a safe driver, just makes you an angry, pedantic, rain-man type character. It's much better to be courteous and respectful to other road users and make allowances for other people's mistakes rather than getting in a rage every time someone infringes your favourite obscure rule in the highway code.

I remember our argument, it was the one where you were saying that if someone crossed the road without looking and you ran them over in your car, you'd have no sympathy for them because you'd legally be in the right.
Err no - I think your memory is failing. I said that the law also applies to pedestrians so if someone was crossing dangerously and I was unfortunate enough to hit them, then I would not be considered to be at fault. Obviously I would do an emergency stop and do my best not to hit them. No doubt you will reinterpret that to say I drive like I'm playing grand theft auto. Such is the nonsense you come out with.

I suggest you revisit the highway code as you seem to have a poor memory.
I remember it pretty well, you kept referring to pedestrians as being stupid and you showed a massive lack of basic empathy for other people when they make mistakes.
[quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Bicycle fanatics multi purchase. I have three. Weekend cycling and off road hobby cyclists are also a huge market and these cycles are often carried on cars to off road locations as are road bikes to favoured routes ie Box Hill. I saw two BMX ers take their bikes out of their ford fiesta at the level. hobby cycling has become popular but perhaps the everyday commuting or day to day cycling. I live in a street with 30 student houses and I only see one student cycling. The student bus tickets are much better value and less effort. The reality is there are the same old faces cycling on the Lewes road and the atrocious weather has scuppered many many cycling events and cyclists. That's the reality, 70mph winds are not welcomed by anyone on two wheels. .[/p][/quote]Why do you hate cyclists? You never post anything positive, you rabbit on about how great a cyclist you are, then pour scorn and vitriol on even the slightest move to encourage more people to cycle. Why is this Maxwell?[/p][/quote]Cyclists are an open goal because the few that do use the road believe they are too cool to do anything as banal as follow the highway code.[/p][/quote]How long ago was it that you last read-up on the highway code? Do you own a copy of the handbook? Have you revised the highway code since passing your driving test? In my case I haven't read-up on the highway code since passing my driving test in 1995 and I don't own a copy, yourself?[/p][/quote]That explains why you don't understand the guidelines for pedestrians - as I had this discussion with you in another thread and you seemed completely ignorant to the law. So I'm assuming you don't know much about the highway code in relation to bicycles or vehicles. Perhaps it's time for you to brush up on your knowledge? I passed my test long before you, so there's really no excuse for not knowing the rules.[/p][/quote]My knowledge is fit for purpose and as good as anyone's, I just don't study the highway code religiously like it's a bible, it isn't necessary. Having an encyclopaedic knowledge of the highway code doesn't make you a safe driver, just makes you an angry, pedantic, rain-man type character. It's much better to be courteous and respectful to other road users and make allowances for other people's mistakes rather than getting in a rage every time someone infringes your favourite obscure rule in the highway code. I remember our argument, it was the one where you were saying that if someone crossed the road without looking and you ran them over in your car, you'd have no sympathy for them because you'd legally be in the right.[/p][/quote]Err no - I think your memory is failing. I said that the law also applies to pedestrians so if someone was crossing dangerously and I was unfortunate enough to hit them, then I would not be considered to be at fault. Obviously I would do an emergency stop and do my best not to hit them. No doubt you will reinterpret that to say I drive like I'm playing grand theft auto. Such is the nonsense you come out with. I suggest you revisit the highway code as you seem to have a poor memory.[/p][/quote]I remember it pretty well, you kept referring to pedestrians as being stupid and you showed a massive lack of basic empathy for other people when they make mistakes. Gribbet
  • Score: -1

11:16am Tue 11 Feb 14

thevoiceoftruth says...

Gribbet wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Plantpot wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Bicycle fanatics multi purchase. I have three. Weekend cycling and off road hobby cyclists are also a huge market and these cycles are often carried on cars to off road locations as are road bikes to favoured routes ie Box Hill. I saw two BMX ers take their bikes out of their ford fiesta at the level. hobby cycling has become popular but perhaps the everyday commuting or day to day cycling. I live in a street with 30 student houses and I only see one student cycling. The student bus tickets are much better value and less effort.
The reality is there are the same old faces cycling on the Lewes road and the atrocious weather has scuppered many many cycling events and cyclists. That's the reality, 70mph winds are not welcomed by anyone on two wheels. .
Why do you hate cyclists? You never post anything positive, you rabbit on about how great a cyclist you are, then pour scorn and vitriol on even the slightest move to encourage more people to cycle. Why is this Maxwell?
Cyclists are an open goal because the few that do use the road believe they are too cool to do anything as banal as follow the highway code.
How long ago was it that you last read-up on the highway code? Do you own a copy of the handbook? Have you revised the highway code since passing your driving test?

In my case I haven't read-up on the highway code since passing my driving test in 1995 and I don't own a copy, yourself?
That explains why you don't understand the guidelines for pedestrians - as I had this discussion with you in another thread and you seemed completely ignorant to the law. So I'm assuming you don't know much about the highway code in relation to bicycles or vehicles. Perhaps it's time for you to brush up on your knowledge? I passed my test long before you, so there's really no excuse for not knowing the rules.
My knowledge is fit for purpose and as good as anyone's, I just don't study the highway code religiously like it's a bible, it isn't necessary. Having an encyclopaedic knowledge of the highway code doesn't make you a safe driver, just makes you an angry, pedantic, rain-man type character. It's much better to be courteous and respectful to other road users and make allowances for other people's mistakes rather than getting in a rage every time someone infringes your favourite obscure rule in the highway code.

I remember our argument, it was the one where you were saying that if someone crossed the road without looking and you ran them over in your car, you'd have no sympathy for them because you'd legally be in the right.
Err no - I think your memory is failing. I said that the law also applies to pedestrians so if someone was crossing dangerously and I was unfortunate enough to hit them, then I would not be considered to be at fault. Obviously I would do an emergency stop and do my best not to hit them. No doubt you will reinterpret that to say I drive like I'm playing grand theft auto. Such is the nonsense you come out with.

I suggest you revisit the highway code as you seem to have a poor memory.
I remember it pretty well, you kept referring to pedestrians as being stupid and you showed a massive lack of basic empathy for other people when they make mistakes.
I am a pedestrian myself so obviously I am not anti-pedestrian. Gribbet, you seem to spend your time reading other people's posts and then completely misinterpreting them for your own agenda. I cannot be bothered arguing with someone with such a narrow mind.
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Bicycle fanatics multi purchase. I have three. Weekend cycling and off road hobby cyclists are also a huge market and these cycles are often carried on cars to off road locations as are road bikes to favoured routes ie Box Hill. I saw two BMX ers take their bikes out of their ford fiesta at the level. hobby cycling has become popular but perhaps the everyday commuting or day to day cycling. I live in a street with 30 student houses and I only see one student cycling. The student bus tickets are much better value and less effort. The reality is there are the same old faces cycling on the Lewes road and the atrocious weather has scuppered many many cycling events and cyclists. That's the reality, 70mph winds are not welcomed by anyone on two wheels. .[/p][/quote]Why do you hate cyclists? You never post anything positive, you rabbit on about how great a cyclist you are, then pour scorn and vitriol on even the slightest move to encourage more people to cycle. Why is this Maxwell?[/p][/quote]Cyclists are an open goal because the few that do use the road believe they are too cool to do anything as banal as follow the highway code.[/p][/quote]How long ago was it that you last read-up on the highway code? Do you own a copy of the handbook? Have you revised the highway code since passing your driving test? In my case I haven't read-up on the highway code since passing my driving test in 1995 and I don't own a copy, yourself?[/p][/quote]That explains why you don't understand the guidelines for pedestrians - as I had this discussion with you in another thread and you seemed completely ignorant to the law. So I'm assuming you don't know much about the highway code in relation to bicycles or vehicles. Perhaps it's time for you to brush up on your knowledge? I passed my test long before you, so there's really no excuse for not knowing the rules.[/p][/quote]My knowledge is fit for purpose and as good as anyone's, I just don't study the highway code religiously like it's a bible, it isn't necessary. Having an encyclopaedic knowledge of the highway code doesn't make you a safe driver, just makes you an angry, pedantic, rain-man type character. It's much better to be courteous and respectful to other road users and make allowances for other people's mistakes rather than getting in a rage every time someone infringes your favourite obscure rule in the highway code. I remember our argument, it was the one where you were saying that if someone crossed the road without looking and you ran them over in your car, you'd have no sympathy for them because you'd legally be in the right.[/p][/quote]Err no - I think your memory is failing. I said that the law also applies to pedestrians so if someone was crossing dangerously and I was unfortunate enough to hit them, then I would not be considered to be at fault. Obviously I would do an emergency stop and do my best not to hit them. No doubt you will reinterpret that to say I drive like I'm playing grand theft auto. Such is the nonsense you come out with. I suggest you revisit the highway code as you seem to have a poor memory.[/p][/quote]I remember it pretty well, you kept referring to pedestrians as being stupid and you showed a massive lack of basic empathy for other people when they make mistakes.[/p][/quote]I am a pedestrian myself so obviously I am not anti-pedestrian. Gribbet, you seem to spend your time reading other people's posts and then completely misinterpreting them for your own agenda. I cannot be bothered arguing with someone with such a narrow mind. thevoiceoftruth
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10:30am Wed 12 Feb 14

ARealBessie says...

HJarrs wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
I hate councils pretending to help cyclists when it's a nonsense. It's the lies I hate. The Lewes Road cycle lane has existed for years.p and even with 30,000 students in town a minute number cycle. I live in as student area and I see one cyclist coming out of all the houses. With regards to the Lewes Road cycle lane, the only thing which has changed is some bus stops were moved in front of the lane, but not all of them but you are claiming this as some fantastic cycling victory. It isn't as the lane has been used by me for more than a decade. Nothing has changed.
However, you have done nothing to deal with the dreadful road surfaces on all roads approaching the lane which is baffling. It's one big bone shaking pot hole avoiding arcade game on two wheels. Go on HJarrs take an open minded ride and check it out.
Take a ride along the Upper Lewes Road, ride along the section outside the old technical college at the bottom of Southover street. Try Baker Street with all of these you end up in the centre of the road which is dangerous.
Then try and navigate a bike east to west across town, due to the silly one way systems it's a mess. Try and navigate the North Laine area on a bike, no entries and one ways everywhere. It's the same with st James street and why cyclists go the wrong way down it. long diversions which in a car ride are short but on a bike add to the unnecessary irritations.
If you were a genuine daily cyclist HJarrs, instead of a Sunday stroller, you would understand the reality of cycling in town.
Have you ever tried to lock your bike at the post office collection office in North Road or outside any of the doctors surgeries or the hospitals.
Only recently has the railway station installed some excellent racks.
Your interest in cycling is for PR for yourself and your party. Mine is the reality of it.
My reality is I have an expensive commuting bike and a crappy Brighton town bike as bikes locked in town sadly get vandalised and wheels stamped on. You have to carry two locks to reduce the risk of being nicked, when I get home I have to lift my bike onto my shoulder up some steps and through the house to the back garden as I live in a terrace.
As I do this the bike hits the walls, the doors etc. when I commuted in London I had a bike I rode to Brighton station and another crappy one parked in London as I wasn't allowed to have my bike on the train.
That's the reality of cycling in this city. That's why this isn't oxford where you see thousands of uni students cycling. You just don't here. It's not flat, it's not suitable for most people and he housing and accommodation doesn't lend itself to making it accessible to all.
I object to parties in parks for cycling schemes when the lane existed for decades.
It makes you look ridiculous but this was not about cycling it was a political pr exercise.
I think you nicely demonstrate why more needs to be spent on cycle infrastructure, including cycle parking. It is a bit of a mystery why you are not supporting the introduction of cycle lanes and more cycle parking that are encouraging more to take up cycling. I also think you should refresh your knowledge of the North Laine area as most streets are now two way for bikes and have been for some time.

I also agree that, as the number of people cycling along the Lewes Rd corridor is increasing and will continue to do so, there is a need to provide a cycle lane along the Upper Lewes Rd. There is potential conflict between pedestrians and cyclists along the Level cycle path and cyclists heading into the city are encouraged to make an uneccessary deviation from the Lewes Rd onto the existing cycle path.

However, where I do take issue is that I think there is tremendous potential to get thousands of young people on their bikes and enjoying a healthy activity. The Lewes Rd is not very hilly and is mostly flat. It is an easily commutable route by bike from Falmer or Bevendean into the city. Sure, cycling may not be the first choice for those living at the top of hills, but that still leaves thousands of young people in the catchment area. Large sections of Brighton and Hove are easily cycleable.
"There is potential conflict between pedestrians and cyclists along the Level cycle path..."
There is indeed HJarrs. In fact, the outer perimeter of The Level is in a truly shocking state. If you're not having to wade through the mini dams that spring up all over the place the moment there's any rain, you're having to keep an eye out for potholes and the like. As of time of writing, the latest fallen Elm took up a big chunk of pathway on its way down leaving a mini crater in its wake. Clearly something has to be done.
It's a real shame then, that despite residents concerns, the council forgot to set anything aside for works to the outer perimeter from out of that £4 million 'Level
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: I hate councils pretending to help cyclists when it's a nonsense. It's the lies I hate. The Lewes Road cycle lane has existed for years.p and even with 30,000 students in town a minute number cycle. I live in as student area and I see one cyclist coming out of all the houses. With regards to the Lewes Road cycle lane, the only thing which has changed is some bus stops were moved in front of the lane, but not all of them but you are claiming this as some fantastic cycling victory. It isn't as the lane has been used by me for more than a decade. Nothing has changed. However, you have done nothing to deal with the dreadful road surfaces on all roads approaching the lane which is baffling. It's one big bone shaking pot hole avoiding arcade game on two wheels. Go on HJarrs take an open minded ride and check it out. Take a ride along the Upper Lewes Road, ride along the section outside the old technical college at the bottom of Southover street. Try Baker Street with all of these you end up in the centre of the road which is dangerous. Then try and navigate a bike east to west across town, due to the silly one way systems it's a mess. Try and navigate the North Laine area on a bike, no entries and one ways everywhere. It's the same with st James street and why cyclists go the wrong way down it. long diversions which in a car ride are short but on a bike add to the unnecessary irritations. If you were a genuine daily cyclist HJarrs, instead of a Sunday stroller, you would understand the reality of cycling in town. Have you ever tried to lock your bike at the post office collection office in North Road or outside any of the doctors surgeries or the hospitals. Only recently has the railway station installed some excellent racks. Your interest in cycling is for PR for yourself and your party. Mine is the reality of it. My reality is I have an expensive commuting bike and a crappy Brighton town bike as bikes locked in town sadly get vandalised and wheels stamped on. You have to carry two locks to reduce the risk of being nicked, when I get home I have to lift my bike onto my shoulder up some steps and through the house to the back garden as I live in a terrace. As I do this the bike hits the walls, the doors etc. when I commuted in London I had a bike I rode to Brighton station and another crappy one parked in London as I wasn't allowed to have my bike on the train. That's the reality of cycling in this city. That's why this isn't oxford where you see thousands of uni students cycling. You just don't here. It's not flat, it's not suitable for most people and he housing and accommodation doesn't lend itself to making it accessible to all. I object to parties in parks for cycling schemes when the lane existed for decades. It makes you look ridiculous but this was not about cycling it was a political pr exercise.[/p][/quote]I think you nicely demonstrate why more needs to be spent on cycle infrastructure, including cycle parking. It is a bit of a mystery why you are not supporting the introduction of cycle lanes and more cycle parking that are encouraging more to take up cycling. I also think you should refresh your knowledge of the North Laine area as most streets are now two way for bikes and have been for some time. I also agree that, as the number of people cycling along the Lewes Rd corridor is increasing and will continue to do so, there is a need to provide a cycle lane along the Upper Lewes Rd. There is potential conflict between pedestrians and cyclists along the Level cycle path and cyclists heading into the city are encouraged to make an uneccessary deviation from the Lewes Rd onto the existing cycle path. However, where I do take issue is that I think there is tremendous potential to get thousands of young people on their bikes and enjoying a healthy activity. The Lewes Rd is not very hilly and is mostly flat. It is an easily commutable route by bike from Falmer or Bevendean into the city. Sure, cycling may not be the first choice for those living at the top of hills, but that still leaves thousands of young people in the catchment area. Large sections of Brighton and Hove are easily cycleable.[/p][/quote]"There is potential conflict between pedestrians and cyclists along the Level cycle path..." There is indeed HJarrs. In fact, the outer perimeter of The Level is in a truly shocking state. If you're not having to wade through the mini dams that spring up all over the place the moment there's any rain, you're having to keep an eye out for potholes and the like. As of time of writing, the latest fallen Elm took up a big chunk of pathway on its way down leaving a mini crater in its wake. Clearly something has to be done. It's a real shame then, that despite residents concerns, the council forgot to set anything aside for works to the outer perimeter from out of that £4 million 'Level ARealBessie
  • Score: 0

10:33am Wed 12 Feb 14

ARealBessie says...

ARealBessie wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
I hate councils pretending to help cyclists when it's a nonsense. It's the lies I hate. The Lewes Road cycle lane has existed for years.p and even with 30,000 students in town a minute number cycle. I live in as student area and I see one cyclist coming out of all the houses. With regards to the Lewes Road cycle lane, the only thing which has changed is some bus stops were moved in front of the lane, but not all of them but you are claiming this as some fantastic cycling victory. It isn't as the lane has been used by me for more than a decade. Nothing has changed.
However, you have done nothing to deal with the dreadful road surfaces on all roads approaching the lane which is baffling. It's one big bone shaking pot hole avoiding arcade game on two wheels. Go on HJarrs take an open minded ride and check it out.
Take a ride along the Upper Lewes Road, ride along the section outside the old technical college at the bottom of Southover street. Try Baker Street with all of these you end up in the centre of the road which is dangerous.
Then try and navigate a bike east to west across town, due to the silly one way systems it's a mess. Try and navigate the North Laine area on a bike, no entries and one ways everywhere. It's the same with st James street and why cyclists go the wrong way down it. long diversions which in a car ride are short but on a bike add to the unnecessary irritations.
If you were a genuine daily cyclist HJarrs, instead of a Sunday stroller, you would understand the reality of cycling in town.
Have you ever tried to lock your bike at the post office collection office in North Road or outside any of the doctors surgeries or the hospitals.
Only recently has the railway station installed some excellent racks.
Your interest in cycling is for PR for yourself and your party. Mine is the reality of it.
My reality is I have an expensive commuting bike and a crappy Brighton town bike as bikes locked in town sadly get vandalised and wheels stamped on. You have to carry two locks to reduce the risk of being nicked, when I get home I have to lift my bike onto my shoulder up some steps and through the house to the back garden as I live in a terrace.
As I do this the bike hits the walls, the doors etc. when I commuted in London I had a bike I rode to Brighton station and another crappy one parked in London as I wasn't allowed to have my bike on the train.
That's the reality of cycling in this city. That's why this isn't oxford where you see thousands of uni students cycling. You just don't here. It's not flat, it's not suitable for most people and he housing and accommodation doesn't lend itself to making it accessible to all.
I object to parties in parks for cycling schemes when the lane existed for decades.
It makes you look ridiculous but this was not about cycling it was a political pr exercise.
I think you nicely demonstrate why more needs to be spent on cycle infrastructure, including cycle parking. It is a bit of a mystery why you are not supporting the introduction of cycle lanes and more cycle parking that are encouraging more to take up cycling. I also think you should refresh your knowledge of the North Laine area as most streets are now two way for bikes and have been for some time.

I also agree that, as the number of people cycling along the Lewes Rd corridor is increasing and will continue to do so, there is a need to provide a cycle lane along the Upper Lewes Rd. There is potential conflict between pedestrians and cyclists along the Level cycle path and cyclists heading into the city are encouraged to make an uneccessary deviation from the Lewes Rd onto the existing cycle path.

However, where I do take issue is that I think there is tremendous potential to get thousands of young people on their bikes and enjoying a healthy activity. The Lewes Rd is not very hilly and is mostly flat. It is an easily commutable route by bike from Falmer or Bevendean into the city. Sure, cycling may not be the first choice for those living at the top of hills, but that still leaves thousands of young people in the catchment area. Large sections of Brighton and Hove are easily cycleable.
"There is potential conflict between pedestrians and cyclists along the Level cycle path..."
There is indeed HJarrs. In fact, the outer perimeter of The Level is in a truly shocking state. If you're not having to wade through the mini dams that spring up all over the place the moment there's any rain, you're having to keep an eye out for potholes and the like. As of time of writing, the latest fallen Elm took up a big chunk of pathway on its way down leaving a mini crater in its wake. Clearly something has to be done.
It's a real shame then, that despite residents concerns, the council forgot to set anything aside for works to the outer perimeter from out of that £4 million 'Level
Apologies - half my comment got cut out for some reason and now I've managed to lose the rest of it. Hate it when that happens. Will have to finish off what I was going to say later. Apologies!
[quote][p][bold]ARealBessie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: I hate councils pretending to help cyclists when it's a nonsense. It's the lies I hate. The Lewes Road cycle lane has existed for years.p and even with 30,000 students in town a minute number cycle. I live in as student area and I see one cyclist coming out of all the houses. With regards to the Lewes Road cycle lane, the only thing which has changed is some bus stops were moved in front of the lane, but not all of them but you are claiming this as some fantastic cycling victory. It isn't as the lane has been used by me for more than a decade. Nothing has changed. However, you have done nothing to deal with the dreadful road surfaces on all roads approaching the lane which is baffling. It's one big bone shaking pot hole avoiding arcade game on two wheels. Go on HJarrs take an open minded ride and check it out. Take a ride along the Upper Lewes Road, ride along the section outside the old technical college at the bottom of Southover street. Try Baker Street with all of these you end up in the centre of the road which is dangerous. Then try and navigate a bike east to west across town, due to the silly one way systems it's a mess. Try and navigate the North Laine area on a bike, no entries and one ways everywhere. It's the same with st James street and why cyclists go the wrong way down it. long diversions which in a car ride are short but on a bike add to the unnecessary irritations. If you were a genuine daily cyclist HJarrs, instead of a Sunday stroller, you would understand the reality of cycling in town. Have you ever tried to lock your bike at the post office collection office in North Road or outside any of the doctors surgeries or the hospitals. Only recently has the railway station installed some excellent racks. Your interest in cycling is for PR for yourself and your party. Mine is the reality of it. My reality is I have an expensive commuting bike and a crappy Brighton town bike as bikes locked in town sadly get vandalised and wheels stamped on. You have to carry two locks to reduce the risk of being nicked, when I get home I have to lift my bike onto my shoulder up some steps and through the house to the back garden as I live in a terrace. As I do this the bike hits the walls, the doors etc. when I commuted in London I had a bike I rode to Brighton station and another crappy one parked in London as I wasn't allowed to have my bike on the train. That's the reality of cycling in this city. That's why this isn't oxford where you see thousands of uni students cycling. You just don't here. It's not flat, it's not suitable for most people and he housing and accommodation doesn't lend itself to making it accessible to all. I object to parties in parks for cycling schemes when the lane existed for decades. It makes you look ridiculous but this was not about cycling it was a political pr exercise.[/p][/quote]I think you nicely demonstrate why more needs to be spent on cycle infrastructure, including cycle parking. It is a bit of a mystery why you are not supporting the introduction of cycle lanes and more cycle parking that are encouraging more to take up cycling. I also think you should refresh your knowledge of the North Laine area as most streets are now two way for bikes and have been for some time. I also agree that, as the number of people cycling along the Lewes Rd corridor is increasing and will continue to do so, there is a need to provide a cycle lane along the Upper Lewes Rd. There is potential conflict between pedestrians and cyclists along the Level cycle path and cyclists heading into the city are encouraged to make an uneccessary deviation from the Lewes Rd onto the existing cycle path. However, where I do take issue is that I think there is tremendous potential to get thousands of young people on their bikes and enjoying a healthy activity. The Lewes Rd is not very hilly and is mostly flat. It is an easily commutable route by bike from Falmer or Bevendean into the city. Sure, cycling may not be the first choice for those living at the top of hills, but that still leaves thousands of young people in the catchment area. Large sections of Brighton and Hove are easily cycleable.[/p][/quote]"There is potential conflict between pedestrians and cyclists along the Level cycle path..." There is indeed HJarrs. In fact, the outer perimeter of The Level is in a truly shocking state. If you're not having to wade through the mini dams that spring up all over the place the moment there's any rain, you're having to keep an eye out for potholes and the like. As of time of writing, the latest fallen Elm took up a big chunk of pathway on its way down leaving a mini crater in its wake. Clearly something has to be done. It's a real shame then, that despite residents concerns, the council forgot to set anything aside for works to the outer perimeter from out of that £4 million 'Level[/p][/quote]Apologies - half my comment got cut out for some reason and now I've managed to lose the rest of it. Hate it when that happens. Will have to finish off what I was going to say later. Apologies! ARealBessie
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11:51am Wed 12 Feb 14

ARealBessie says...

ARealBessie wrote:
ARealBessie wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
I hate councils pretending to help cyclists when it's a nonsense. It's the lies I hate. The Lewes Road cycle lane has existed for years.p and even with 30,000 students in town a minute number cycle. I live in as student area and I see one cyclist coming out of all the houses. With regards to the Lewes Road cycle lane, the only thing which has changed is some bus stops were moved in front of the lane, but not all of them but you are claiming this as some fantastic cycling victory. It isn't as the lane has been used by me for more than a decade. Nothing has changed.
However, you have done nothing to deal with the dreadful road surfaces on all roads approaching the lane which is baffling. It's one big bone shaking pot hole avoiding arcade game on two wheels. Go on HJarrs take an open minded ride and check it out.
Take a ride along the Upper Lewes Road, ride along the section outside the old technical college at the bottom of Southover street. Try Baker Street with all of these you end up in the centre of the road which is dangerous.
Then try and navigate a bike east to west across town, due to the silly one way systems it's a mess. Try and navigate the North Laine area on a bike, no entries and one ways everywhere. It's the same with st James street and why cyclists go the wrong way down it. long diversions which in a car ride are short but on a bike add to the unnecessary irritations.
If you were a genuine daily cyclist HJarrs, instead of a Sunday stroller, you would understand the reality of cycling in town.
Have you ever tried to lock your bike at the post office collection office in North Road or outside any of the doctors surgeries or the hospitals.
Only recently has the railway station installed some excellent racks.
Your interest in cycling is for PR for yourself and your party. Mine is the reality of it.
My reality is I have an expensive commuting bike and a crappy Brighton town bike as bikes locked in town sadly get vandalised and wheels stamped on. You have to carry two locks to reduce the risk of being nicked, when I get home I have to lift my bike onto my shoulder up some steps and through the house to the back garden as I live in a terrace.
As I do this the bike hits the walls, the doors etc. when I commuted in London I had a bike I rode to Brighton station and another crappy one parked in London as I wasn't allowed to have my bike on the train.
That's the reality of cycling in this city. That's why this isn't oxford where you see thousands of uni students cycling. You just don't here. It's not flat, it's not suitable for most people and he housing and accommodation doesn't lend itself to making it accessible to all.
I object to parties in parks for cycling schemes when the lane existed for decades.
It makes you look ridiculous but this was not about cycling it was a political pr exercise.
I think you nicely demonstrate why more needs to be spent on cycle infrastructure, including cycle parking. It is a bit of a mystery why you are not supporting the introduction of cycle lanes and more cycle parking that are encouraging more to take up cycling. I also think you should refresh your knowledge of the North Laine area as most streets are now two way for bikes and have been for some time.

I also agree that, as the number of people cycling along the Lewes Rd corridor is increasing and will continue to do so, there is a need to provide a cycle lane along the Upper Lewes Rd. There is potential conflict between pedestrians and cyclists along the Level cycle path and cyclists heading into the city are encouraged to make an uneccessary deviation from the Lewes Rd onto the existing cycle path.

However, where I do take issue is that I think there is tremendous potential to get thousands of young people on their bikes and enjoying a healthy activity. The Lewes Rd is not very hilly and is mostly flat. It is an easily commutable route by bike from Falmer or Bevendean into the city. Sure, cycling may not be the first choice for those living at the top of hills, but that still leaves thousands of young people in the catchment area. Large sections of Brighton and Hove are easily cycleable.
"There is potential conflict between pedestrians and cyclists along the Level cycle path..."
There is indeed HJarrs. In fact, the outer perimeter of The Level is in a truly shocking state. If you're not having to wade through the mini dams that spring up all over the place the moment there's any rain, you're having to keep an eye out for potholes and the like. As of time of writing, the latest fallen Elm took up a big chunk of pathway on its way down leaving a mini crater in its wake. Clearly something has to be done.
It's a real shame then, that despite residents concerns, the council forgot to set anything aside for works to the outer perimeter from out of that £4 million 'Level
Apologies - half my comment got cut out for some reason and now I've managed to lose the rest of it. Hate it when that happens. Will have to finish off what I was going to say later. Apologies!
So what was I writing about? Oh yes, that £4 million pound Level Redevelopment budget and no funding set aside for the Outer perimeter...

Sadly, the Level pot is empty! The monies all gone! Meaning the council will now have to go scrounging off whatever public pots are available to sort all that out... which will bring the final Level redevelopment bill up to...?
That's not counting the money that must now be found in order to address the new new drainage problems (such as the completely unusable bog that was once a used gravel area on the north side). These problems could've been avoided had the council taken local knowledge and surveyors recommendations seriously. Instead, this administration deliberately cut corners and poured the money for essentials such as drainage, and 'outer perimeter cycle path's into fripperies like an eco' cycling/bike repair shop (that cost over half a million) instead.

So you see, even when it comes to the projects the Greens most love to boast about, scratch the surface and you'll find the critical failure underneath. As with all critical failures, no matter how much money you throw at them, it's never enough. Far from being a 'redevelopment success' The Level simply illustrates all that is wrong with the financial priorities of this current administration, and it's ridiculous obsession with all things cycle related (no matter what the cost, and no matter who ends up having to pay for it.)

Meanwhile, I'd like to read what Ian Davies real thoughts are on the 'poor' among his constituents. For another time perhaps?.
[quote][p][bold]ARealBessie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ARealBessie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: I hate councils pretending to help cyclists when it's a nonsense. It's the lies I hate. The Lewes Road cycle lane has existed for years.p and even with 30,000 students in town a minute number cycle. I live in as student area and I see one cyclist coming out of all the houses. With regards to the Lewes Road cycle lane, the only thing which has changed is some bus stops were moved in front of the lane, but not all of them but you are claiming this as some fantastic cycling victory. It isn't as the lane has been used by me for more than a decade. Nothing has changed. However, you have done nothing to deal with the dreadful road surfaces on all roads approaching the lane which is baffling. It's one big bone shaking pot hole avoiding arcade game on two wheels. Go on HJarrs take an open minded ride and check it out. Take a ride along the Upper Lewes Road, ride along the section outside the old technical college at the bottom of Southover street. Try Baker Street with all of these you end up in the centre of the road which is dangerous. Then try and navigate a bike east to west across town, due to the silly one way systems it's a mess. Try and navigate the North Laine area on a bike, no entries and one ways everywhere. It's the same with st James street and why cyclists go the wrong way down it. long diversions which in a car ride are short but on a bike add to the unnecessary irritations. If you were a genuine daily cyclist HJarrs, instead of a Sunday stroller, you would understand the reality of cycling in town. Have you ever tried to lock your bike at the post office collection office in North Road or outside any of the doctors surgeries or the hospitals. Only recently has the railway station installed some excellent racks. Your interest in cycling is for PR for yourself and your party. Mine is the reality of it. My reality is I have an expensive commuting bike and a crappy Brighton town bike as bikes locked in town sadly get vandalised and wheels stamped on. You have to carry two locks to reduce the risk of being nicked, when I get home I have to lift my bike onto my shoulder up some steps and through the house to the back garden as I live in a terrace. As I do this the bike hits the walls, the doors etc. when I commuted in London I had a bike I rode to Brighton station and another crappy one parked in London as I wasn't allowed to have my bike on the train. That's the reality of cycling in this city. That's why this isn't oxford where you see thousands of uni students cycling. You just don't here. It's not flat, it's not suitable for most people and he housing and accommodation doesn't lend itself to making it accessible to all. I object to parties in parks for cycling schemes when the lane existed for decades. It makes you look ridiculous but this was not about cycling it was a political pr exercise.[/p][/quote]I think you nicely demonstrate why more needs to be spent on cycle infrastructure, including cycle parking. It is a bit of a mystery why you are not supporting the introduction of cycle lanes and more cycle parking that are encouraging more to take up cycling. I also think you should refresh your knowledge of the North Laine area as most streets are now two way for bikes and have been for some time. I also agree that, as the number of people cycling along the Lewes Rd corridor is increasing and will continue to do so, there is a need to provide a cycle lane along the Upper Lewes Rd. There is potential conflict between pedestrians and cyclists along the Level cycle path and cyclists heading into the city are encouraged to make an uneccessary deviation from the Lewes Rd onto the existing cycle path. However, where I do take issue is that I think there is tremendous potential to get thousands of young people on their bikes and enjoying a healthy activity. The Lewes Rd is not very hilly and is mostly flat. It is an easily commutable route by bike from Falmer or Bevendean into the city. Sure, cycling may not be the first choice for those living at the top of hills, but that still leaves thousands of young people in the catchment area. Large sections of Brighton and Hove are easily cycleable.[/p][/quote]"There is potential conflict between pedestrians and cyclists along the Level cycle path..." There is indeed HJarrs. In fact, the outer perimeter of The Level is in a truly shocking state. If you're not having to wade through the mini dams that spring up all over the place the moment there's any rain, you're having to keep an eye out for potholes and the like. As of time of writing, the latest fallen Elm took up a big chunk of pathway on its way down leaving a mini crater in its wake. Clearly something has to be done. It's a real shame then, that despite residents concerns, the council forgot to set anything aside for works to the outer perimeter from out of that £4 million 'Level[/p][/quote]Apologies - half my comment got cut out for some reason and now I've managed to lose the rest of it. Hate it when that happens. Will have to finish off what I was going to say later. Apologies![/p][/quote]So what was I writing about? Oh yes, that £4 million pound Level Redevelopment budget and no funding set aside for the Outer perimeter... Sadly, the Level pot is empty! The monies all gone! Meaning the council will now have to go scrounging off whatever public pots are available to sort all that out... which will bring the final Level redevelopment bill up to...? That's not counting the money that must now be found in order to address the new new drainage problems (such as the completely unusable bog that was once a used gravel area on the north side). These problems could've been avoided had the council taken local knowledge and surveyors recommendations seriously. Instead, this administration deliberately cut corners and poured the money for essentials such as drainage, and 'outer perimeter cycle path's into fripperies like an eco' cycling/bike repair shop (that cost over half a million) instead. So you see, even when it comes to the projects the Greens most love to boast about, scratch the surface and you'll find the critical failure underneath. As with all critical failures, no matter how much money you throw at them, it's never enough. Far from being a 'redevelopment success' The Level simply illustrates all that is wrong with the financial priorities of this current administration, and it's ridiculous obsession with all things cycle related (no matter what the cost, and no matter who ends up having to pay for it.) Meanwhile, I'd like to read what Ian Davies real thoughts are on the 'poor' among his constituents. For another time perhaps?. ARealBessie
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4:31pm Fri 14 Feb 14

ghost bus driver says...

Gribbet wrote:
Bad news for all the petrolhead Warren Morgan Labour fan-boys of recent who are banking on Labour bulldozing away the city's/nation's cycle lanes if/when they get in to power - The Labour shadow transport secretary Mary Creagh says "As shadow transport secretary, I want to move cycling from the margins to the mainstream so Britain catches up with the likes of Germany and Denmark"

Start pulling your hair out while you've still got some, the future is two-wheeled whatever happens in 2015. Roll on more cycling infrastructure! Bring on Brighton velodrome!
Well, to catch up with Germany the first thing we need to do is invade Poland.
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: Bad news for all the petrolhead Warren Morgan Labour fan-boys of recent who are banking on Labour bulldozing away the city's/nation's cycle lanes if/when they get in to power - The Labour shadow transport secretary Mary Creagh says "As shadow transport secretary, I want to move cycling from the margins to the mainstream so Britain catches up with the likes of Germany and Denmark" Start pulling your hair out while you've still got some, the future is two-wheeled whatever happens in 2015. Roll on more cycling infrastructure! Bring on Brighton velodrome![/p][/quote]Well, to catch up with Germany the first thing we need to do is invade Poland. ghost bus driver
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10:57pm Fri 14 Feb 14

Richada says...

ghost bus driver wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Bad news for all the petrolhead Warren Morgan Labour fan-boys of recent who are banking on Labour bulldozing away the city's/nation's cycle lanes if/when they get in to power - The Labour shadow transport secretary Mary Creagh says "As shadow transport secretary, I want to move cycling from the margins to the mainstream so Britain catches up with the likes of Germany and Denmark"

Start pulling your hair out while you've still got some, the future is two-wheeled whatever happens in 2015. Roll on more cycling infrastructure! Bring on Brighton velodrome!
Well, to catch up with Germany the first thing we need to do is invade Poland.
Catch up with Germany........looki
ng forward to traveling at 140mph on the M23 very soon then, that's my vote to Labour.
[quote][p][bold]ghost bus driver[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: Bad news for all the petrolhead Warren Morgan Labour fan-boys of recent who are banking on Labour bulldozing away the city's/nation's cycle lanes if/when they get in to power - The Labour shadow transport secretary Mary Creagh says "As shadow transport secretary, I want to move cycling from the margins to the mainstream so Britain catches up with the likes of Germany and Denmark" Start pulling your hair out while you've still got some, the future is two-wheeled whatever happens in 2015. Roll on more cycling infrastructure! Bring on Brighton velodrome![/p][/quote]Well, to catch up with Germany the first thing we need to do is invade Poland.[/p][/quote]Catch up with Germany........looki ng forward to traveling at 140mph on the M23 very soon then, that's my vote to Labour. Richada
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