Scrapping Hanover and Elm Grove bus service "bonkers" claim residents

The Argus: Scrapping Hanover and Elm Grove bus service "bonkers" claim residents Scrapping Hanover and Elm Grove bus service "bonkers" claim residents

The decision to scrap a bus service which serves Hanover and Elm Grove has been dubbed "bonkers".

Brighton and Hove Bus Company will replace the 81 service with two new routes from April 13.

The firm claimed the move would result in a "better and more frequent service" with ten services an hour to the Queen’s Park area instead of the current five.

But the plans sparked a backlash from hundreds of locals in Hanover who this week met to mount a battle against the plans.


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They claim the changes will mean they will no longer have a direct service to the city centre.

The new circular 20 route – dubbed the Queen’s Park shuttle – will run every ten minutes during the day from Churchill Square via Egremont Place, Elm Grove, London Road and Brighton Station before terminating in Western Road.

The move would see a separate 21 route running from Goldstone Valley to Brighton Marina via Elm Grove, Queens Park Road, Freshfield Road and Manor Hill.

More than 300 people, including officials from Brighton and Hove Bus Comany, Brighton and Hove City Council and the Buswatch campaign group, packed into St Luke’s Church in Queens Park Road on Tuesday.

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The meeting was organised by Queen's Park Local Action Team.

The group's vice chairman Mark Strong said: "The bus company has admitted its mistake about not speaking to people before considering the changes and has gone a considerable distance to addressing the very strong concerns expressed by a huge number of people at the public meeting.

"We will be keeping an eye on the changes and the local community will be watching and hoping to participate very closely in publicising the changes."

Mo Marsh, a Labour councillor for Moulsecoomb and Bevendean, said: "It is bonkers. You have to travel in the wrong direction to get to town.

"At one point at the meeting someone asked who was in favour of the new routes and less than a third put their hand up.

"The majority wanted the changes stopped or at least deferred until September to allow consultation of everyone affected in the likes of Coombe Road, Meadowview, Queen’s Park and Whitehawk."

Simon Kirby, MP for Brighton Kemptown and Peacehaven, said: "Significant changes in services can be very unsettling and the bus company needs to move carefully regarding the 81 service."

Mike Harris, of Brighton and Hove Buses, said: "In my view, it is clearly in the public interest for us to introduce the scheme, but as amended in the light of the consultation.

"In response to concerns regarding evenings and Sundays, we have also added evening and Sunday journeys via Edwards Street and North Street to our plans."

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1:20pm Fri 14 Feb 14

Dandyli0n says...

“At one point at the meeting someone asked who was in favour of the new routes and less than a third put their hand up."

That's because the only people who attended the meeting were the kind of reactionary nutters who oppose every change without even learning what the change is. The fact is the routes are being rationalised and it will make travelling quicker and easier for everyone. Simon Kirby's comment says it all really: "change can be unsettling". So use your bloody brains rather than reacting with anger to every change you're proposed. No wonder politics is a mess when people have to constantly pander to numpties.
“At one point at the meeting someone asked who was in favour of the new routes and less than a third put their hand up." That's because the only people who attended the meeting were the kind of reactionary nutters who oppose every change without even learning what the change is. The fact is the routes are being rationalised and it will make travelling quicker and easier for everyone. Simon Kirby's comment says it all really: "change can be unsettling". So use your bloody brains rather than reacting with anger to every change you're proposed. No wonder politics is a mess when people have to constantly pander to numpties. Dandyli0n

1:34pm Fri 14 Feb 14

CJ Palmer says...

Well it doesn't make my journey easier. Why would I want to sit on a bus going all the way round by the station when I just want to go to Churchill Square or North Street? I'll walk instead, thanks.
Well it doesn't make my journey easier. Why would I want to sit on a bus going all the way round by the station when I just want to go to Churchill Square or North Street? I'll walk instead, thanks. CJ Palmer

1:58pm Fri 14 Feb 14

banargustrolls says...

Silly idea, leave the 81 alone
Silly idea, leave the 81 alone banargustrolls

2:35pm Fri 14 Feb 14

dickpagebrighton says...

Dandyli0n wrote:
“At one point at the meeting someone asked who was in favour of the new routes and less than a third put their hand up."

That's because the only people who attended the meeting were the kind of reactionary nutters who oppose every change without even learning what the change is. The fact is the routes are being rationalised and it will make travelling quicker and easier for everyone. Simon Kirby's comment says it all really: "change can be unsettling". So use your bloody brains rather than reacting with anger to every change you're proposed. No wonder politics is a mess when people have to constantly pander to numpties.
I'm not sure whether Dandyliun was at Monday's meeting, where a lot of sensible, practical questions were asked. Later in the meeting, it was a lot less than a third in favour of tne bus company's plans, as their answers made people less convinced than ever.
Improvements would be fine, but wholesale change for change's sake is silly. It remains to be seen if B & H buses actually listen to the overwhelming concerns of the meeting. Please see yesterday's letters page for more comments.
[quote][p][bold]Dandyli0n[/bold] wrote: “At one point at the meeting someone asked who was in favour of the new routes and less than a third put their hand up." That's because the only people who attended the meeting were the kind of reactionary nutters who oppose every change without even learning what the change is. The fact is the routes are being rationalised and it will make travelling quicker and easier for everyone. Simon Kirby's comment says it all really: "change can be unsettling". So use your bloody brains rather than reacting with anger to every change you're proposed. No wonder politics is a mess when people have to constantly pander to numpties.[/p][/quote]I'm not sure whether Dandyliun was at Monday's meeting, where a lot of sensible, practical questions were asked. Later in the meeting, it was a lot less than a third in favour of tne bus company's plans, as their answers made people less convinced than ever. Improvements would be fine, but wholesale change for change's sake is silly. It remains to be seen if B & H buses actually listen to the overwhelming concerns of the meeting. Please see yesterday's letters page for more comments. dickpagebrighton

2:36pm Fri 14 Feb 14

Bill in Hanover says...

I live just off Elm Grove and can't see what the problem is, anyone living on or near Elm Grove currently has the 21 and 22 and those living near Queen's Park have the No 2 which goes down Queensway which is a couple of minutes walk.
I live just off Elm Grove and can't see what the problem is, anyone living on or near Elm Grove currently has the 21 and 22 and those living near Queen's Park have the No 2 which goes down Queensway which is a couple of minutes walk. Bill in Hanover

2:39pm Fri 14 Feb 14

shining star says...

I would like to know how these people at the meeting knew that there was to be a 'public' meeting. I live in the area and knew nothing of the meeting. Queens Park is not just the area directly below the Pepper Pot, it covers a larger expanse. I for one, would love to see more buses per hour than 5, that usually tend to come in two's. Improvement was made when the route changed from the number 42 to the 81, change does not always mean problems. Its as DandyliOn says, the numpties that want to object to anything in the name of 'Hanover'. These certain few do not speak for us all. Amazing that most of the objectors knew of the meeting. The best service in this area is the 37, it's reliable, always on time and the drivers are always pleasant and polite the only problem is there should be more than 1 per hour.
I would like to know how these people at the meeting knew that there was to be a 'public' meeting. I live in the area and knew nothing of the meeting. Queens Park is not just the area directly below the Pepper Pot, it covers a larger expanse. I for one, would love to see more buses per hour than 5, that usually tend to come in two's. Improvement was made when the route changed from the number 42 to the 81, change does not always mean problems. Its as DandyliOn says, the numpties that want to object to anything in the name of 'Hanover'. These certain few do not speak for us all. Amazing that most of the objectors knew of the meeting. The best service in this area is the 37, it's reliable, always on time and the drivers are always pleasant and polite the only problem is there should be more than 1 per hour. shining star

3:26pm Fri 14 Feb 14

ghost bus driver says...

"Mike Harris, of Brighton and Hove Buses, said: “In my view, it is clearly in the public interest for us to introduce the scheme, but as amended in the light of the consultation. "

I want to know who Mike Harris is, exactly.
"Mike Harris, of Brighton and Hove Buses, said: “In my view, it is clearly in the public interest for us to introduce the scheme, but as amended in the light of the consultation. " I want to know who Mike Harris is, exactly. ghost bus driver

3:57pm Fri 14 Feb 14

ghost bus driver says...

dickpagebrighton wrote:
Dandyli0n wrote:
“At one point at the meeting someone asked who was in favour of the new routes and less than a third put their hand up."

That's because the only people who attended the meeting were the kind of reactionary nutters who oppose every change without even learning what the change is. The fact is the routes are being rationalised and it will make travelling quicker and easier for everyone. Simon Kirby's comment says it all really: "change can be unsettling". So use your bloody brains rather than reacting with anger to every change you're proposed. No wonder politics is a mess when people have to constantly pander to numpties.
I'm not sure whether Dandyliun was at Monday's meeting, where a lot of sensible, practical questions were asked. Later in the meeting, it was a lot less than a third in favour of tne bus company's plans, as their answers made people less convinced than ever.
Improvements would be fine, but wholesale change for change's sake is silly. It remains to be seen if B & H buses actually listen to the overwhelming concerns of the meeting. Please see yesterday's letters page for more comments.
The 81 was a Brighton Blue Bus route when it first started (started long after the demise of the Corporation, hence BBB) so B&H inherited it in 1997. From what I can make out there would be two circular routes so you wouldn't have to go from Hanover to the city centre via Dyke Road, the station et al,

If the company want to make these changes the deadline to file the papers with the Traffic commissioner is around now so it's probably already set in stone. Its probably going to be more like the old 41/42 routes (again, Corporation routes) but the whole idea of having two circulars going in opposite directions is so you can get into town and back in reasonable time.

None of us know the details either so we're in the dark as much as anyone else.
[quote][p][bold]dickpagebrighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dandyli0n[/bold] wrote: “At one point at the meeting someone asked who was in favour of the new routes and less than a third put their hand up." That's because the only people who attended the meeting were the kind of reactionary nutters who oppose every change without even learning what the change is. The fact is the routes are being rationalised and it will make travelling quicker and easier for everyone. Simon Kirby's comment says it all really: "change can be unsettling". So use your bloody brains rather than reacting with anger to every change you're proposed. No wonder politics is a mess when people have to constantly pander to numpties.[/p][/quote]I'm not sure whether Dandyliun was at Monday's meeting, where a lot of sensible, practical questions were asked. Later in the meeting, it was a lot less than a third in favour of tne bus company's plans, as their answers made people less convinced than ever. Improvements would be fine, but wholesale change for change's sake is silly. It remains to be seen if B & H buses actually listen to the overwhelming concerns of the meeting. Please see yesterday's letters page for more comments.[/p][/quote]The 81 was a Brighton Blue Bus route when it first started (started long after the demise of the Corporation, hence BBB) so B&H inherited it in 1997. From what I can make out there would be two circular routes so you wouldn't have to go from Hanover to the city centre via Dyke Road, the station et al, If the company want to make these changes the deadline to file the papers with the Traffic commissioner is around now so it's probably already set in stone. Its probably going to be more like the old 41/42 routes (again, Corporation routes) but the whole idea of having two circulars going in opposite directions is so you can get into town and back in reasonable time. None of us know the details either so we're in the dark as much as anyone else. ghost bus driver

4:38pm Fri 14 Feb 14

BURIRAM says...

Why is Mo Marsh poking her nose in if she is a Bevendean councillor.
Why is Mo Marsh poking her nose in if she is a Bevendean councillor. BURIRAM

7:08pm Fri 14 Feb 14

Martha Gunn says...

BURIRAM wrote:
Why is Mo Marsh poking her nose in if she is a Bevendean councillor.
Because it's her life's mission.

She can't help herself.
[quote][p][bold]BURIRAM[/bold] wrote: Why is Mo Marsh poking her nose in if she is a Bevendean councillor.[/p][/quote]Because it's her life's mission. She can't help herself. Martha Gunn

8:09pm Fri 14 Feb 14

qm says...

ghost bus driver wrote:
"Mike Harris, of Brighton and Hove Buses, said: “In my view, it is clearly in the public interest for us to introduce the scheme, but as amended in the light of the consultation. "

I want to know who Mike Harris is, exactly.
It's the name Martin uses when he doesn't want to answer the phone ;)
[quote][p][bold]ghost bus driver[/bold] wrote: "Mike Harris, of Brighton and Hove Buses, said: “In my view, it is clearly in the public interest for us to introduce the scheme, but as amended in the light of the consultation. " I want to know who Mike Harris is, exactly.[/p][/quote]It's the name Martin uses when he doesn't want to answer the phone ;) qm

8:54pm Fri 14 Feb 14

mimseycal says...

Martha Gunn wrote:
BURIRAM wrote:
Why is Mo Marsh poking her nose in if she is a Bevendean councillor.
Because it's her life's mission.

She can't help herself.
Mo March also is the Councillor for Meadow View which is served by the 81 if memory serves me right.
[quote][p][bold]Martha Gunn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BURIRAM[/bold] wrote: Why is Mo Marsh poking her nose in if she is a Bevendean councillor.[/p][/quote]Because it's her life's mission. She can't help herself.[/p][/quote]Mo March also is the Councillor for Meadow View which is served by the 81 if memory serves me right. mimseycal

12:55am Sat 15 Feb 14

whatevernext2013 says...

CJ Palmer wrote:
Well it doesn't make my journey easier. Why would I want to sit on a bus going all the way round by the station when I just want to go to Churchill Square or North Street? I'll walk instead, thanks.
well thats a win win win ,you save money you improve your health and the greens get another one walking ,well done for your input
[quote][p][bold]CJ Palmer[/bold] wrote: Well it doesn't make my journey easier. Why would I want to sit on a bus going all the way round by the station when I just want to go to Churchill Square or North Street? I'll walk instead, thanks.[/p][/quote]well thats a win win win ,you save money you improve your health and the greens get another one walking ,well done for your input whatevernext2013

3:58pm Sat 15 Feb 14

BURIRAM says...

mimseycal wrote:
Martha Gunn wrote:
BURIRAM wrote:
Why is Mo Marsh poking her nose in if she is a Bevendean councillor.
Because it's her life's mission.

She can't help herself.
Mo March also is the Councillor for Meadow View which is served by the 81 if memory serves me right.
Meadowview route is 38 and 37a
[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Martha Gunn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BURIRAM[/bold] wrote: Why is Mo Marsh poking her nose in if she is a Bevendean councillor.[/p][/quote]Because it's her life's mission. She can't help herself.[/p][/quote]Mo March also is the Councillor for Meadow View which is served by the 81 if memory serves me right.[/p][/quote]Meadowview route is 38 and 37a BURIRAM

5:50pm Sat 15 Feb 14

mimseycal says...

True they are the Meadow View specific ones but it is also served by the 81. I used it a few times when going to see my daughter who lives up there.
True they are the Meadow View specific ones but it is also served by the 81. I used it a few times when going to see my daughter who lives up there. mimseycal

7:31pm Sat 15 Feb 14

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! says...

HJ says it sounds like one of our Green consultations.

1). First of all we think up a ridiculous idea

2). We tell people its great and at their expense try to impose it

3). When they protest we hold a staged consultation, hoping that the rent a mob we encouraged to attend would be sufficient to tip the balance of the vote in favour of our ridiculous idea

4). When it doesn't we go ahead anyway

We are the Greens
HJ says it sounds like one of our Green consultations. 1). First of all we think up a ridiculous idea 2). We tell people its great and at their expense try to impose it 3). When they protest we hold a staged consultation, hoping that the rent a mob we encouraged to attend would be sufficient to tip the balance of the vote in favour of our ridiculous idea 4). When it doesn't we go ahead anyway We are the Greens I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars!

12:23am Sun 16 Feb 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

Buses are for the healthy and time rich.
Anyone who has to get to an appointment on time or has limited mobility calls a cab or drives, particularly if you live anywhere near Meadowview which despite being at the summit of the city's steepest hill, has one of the worst bus services in the city yet the green council still insists we all cycle.
I would like to see Bill Randall and Jason Kitkat cycle up Bear Road. Idiots.
Buses are for the healthy and time rich. Anyone who has to get to an appointment on time or has limited mobility calls a cab or drives, particularly if you live anywhere near Meadowview which despite being at the summit of the city's steepest hill, has one of the worst bus services in the city yet the green council still insists we all cycle. I would like to see Bill Randall and Jason Kitkat cycle up Bear Road. Idiots. Maxwell's Ghost

12:37am Mon 17 Feb 14

goridebus says...

What have the Council go to do with this? This is the bus company's decision and no-one else's. Some of you are using your anti-council attitude to blame them for something they actually have no control over. Yes I mean you, Maxwell's Ghost and H Jarrs.
What have the Council go to do with this? This is the bus company's decision and no-one else's. Some of you are using your anti-council attitude to blame them for something they actually have no control over. Yes I mean you, Maxwell's Ghost and H Jarrs. goridebus

2:04am Mon 17 Feb 14

dickpagebrighton says...

goridebus wrote:
What have the Council go to do with this? This is the bus company's decision and no-one else's. Some of you are using your anti-council attitude to blame them for something they actually have no control over. Yes I mean you, Maxwell's Ghost and H Jarrs.
The main problem with these bus changes is that we, the public - through our representatives, the Council - do not have much say with a private bus company. To be fair Green Councillors spoke up at this hastily-convened meeting against these rushed proposals.
But Maxwell's Ghost has a point: don't forget buses for Meadowview in all this.
[quote][p][bold]goridebus[/bold] wrote: What have the Council go to do with this? This is the bus company's decision and no-one else's. Some of you are using your anti-council attitude to blame them for something they actually have no control over. Yes I mean you, Maxwell's Ghost and H Jarrs.[/p][/quote]The main problem with these bus changes is that we, the public - through our representatives, the Council - do not have much say with a private bus company. To be fair Green Councillors spoke up at this hastily-convened meeting against these rushed proposals. But Maxwell's Ghost has a point: don't forget buses for Meadowview in all this. dickpagebrighton

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