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‘More than a thousand’ drivers fined for using bus lane in Brighton

The Argus: ‘More than a thousand’ drivers fined for using bus lane in Brighton ‘More than a thousand’ drivers fined for using bus lane in Brighton

More than a thousand drivers have been fined after being caught out using a bus lane in Brighton.

The Oxford Street bus lane linking Ditchling Road and London Road is coming under fire from road users accusing the council of not having proper signs in place and issuing improper fines.

Motorists can enter Oxford Street from Ditchling Road, but they must take the left turn into Oxford Court or they will enter the bus lane and incur a fine.

The junction which leads from Ditchling Road onto Oxford Street is marked with a sign directing drivers to parking on Oxford Court, with some drivers saying they thought the sign implied Oxford Street is a through road.

Driver Paul Durrant said: “Last week, I received a fine as, like hundreds of other drivers, I drove down the road to get to London Road, and didn’t realise that the road had been changed to a bus lane.

Mr Durrant, who is sports and social coordinator at Bellersby College, added: “I find this extremely frustrating as the parking arrow gives you the impression that you can drive down the road. “ Mr Durrant also said that upon going back to Oxford Street he counted 30 cars driving into the bus lane in the space of ten minutes.

Motorists also complained that due to the two to three week delay in receiving a £60 fine, many were repeatedly fined before realising their mistake.

The bus lane is managed by a traffic control camera placed at the Ditchling Road end of Oxford Stree.

A council spokeswoman said: “Oxford Street has had a marked-up bus lane before the junction with London Road for many years.

“Following complaints from residents, bus passengers and the bus company that the bus lane was being ignored by drivers, the council took steps to improve compliance with this bus lane in November.

“This included additional signage in Ditchling Road which states ‘No through road, except buses, taxis and cycles’. The start of the bus lane is also clearly marked with signs and road markings.”

Taxi and bus only signs are in place at the start of Ditchling Road and before the start of the bus lane just past Oxford Court. Motorists do have the option to appeal their fines on the Brighton and Hove City Council website.

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7:11am Sun 16 Feb 14

rogerthefish says...

More rape of the Brighton car drivers wallet.
More rape of the Brighton car drivers wallet. rogerthefish
  • Score: 61

7:56am Sun 16 Feb 14

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! says...

We have gone to great lengths to create ambiguity for drivers. We want to make Brighton a no go area for them and any little trick we can pull we will.

The most observant readers will note the bus is almost empty...most are!

We are the Greens, HJ what do you think?
We have gone to great lengths to create ambiguity for drivers. We want to make Brighton a no go area for them and any little trick we can pull we will. The most observant readers will note the bus is almost empty...most are! We are the Greens, HJ what do you think? I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars!
  • Score: 52

8:20am Sun 16 Feb 14

Old Ladys Gin says...

Are the fines legal? and how can they be enforced?
Are the fines legal? and how can they be enforced? Old Ladys Gin
  • Score: 36

8:36am Sun 16 Feb 14

Sir Prised says...

The problem is the plethora of signs in any town centre. How the authorities think you have the time to read all the signage AS WELL AS LOOKING OUT FOR OTHER TRAFFIC AND PEDESTRIANS I have no idea. The situations is even worse for anyone not familiar with the area. Sticking up a small sign and creating a new revenue stream seem to be the way of the world now. It's why I haven't brought my car into Brighton for many years, oh apart from once dropping my sister off, and shop in surrounding towns.
The problem is the plethora of signs in any town centre. How the authorities think you have the time to read all the signage AS WELL AS LOOKING OUT FOR OTHER TRAFFIC AND PEDESTRIANS I have no idea. The situations is even worse for anyone not familiar with the area. Sticking up a small sign and creating a new revenue stream seem to be the way of the world now. It's why I haven't brought my car into Brighton for many years, oh apart from once dropping my sister off, and shop in surrounding towns. Sir Prised
  • Score: 56

8:36am Sun 16 Feb 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

The signage is poor. Small plates almost at the exit of the road when te too late. Why they are not on the entrance to the road is baffling. Many motorists can be seen doing a u turn in the road or using the car park to turn around.
I would take photos of all the signage and challenge the fines. It genuinely is unacceptable.
The signage is poor. Small plates almost at the exit of the road when te too late. Why they are not on the entrance to the road is baffling. Many motorists can be seen doing a u turn in the road or using the car park to turn around. I would take photos of all the signage and challenge the fines. It genuinely is unacceptable. Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: 66

8:38am Sun 16 Feb 14

CivicMan says...

I am looking at Google Street View which must have been recorded quite a time ago, and the lower part of Oxford Street is quite clearly marked with signs either side of the street saying buses taxis and bikes only after Oxford Court.
I am looking at Google Street View which must have been recorded quite a time ago, and the lower part of Oxford Street is quite clearly marked with signs either side of the street saying buses taxis and bikes only after Oxford Court. CivicMan
  • Score: 9

8:49am Sun 16 Feb 14

tez1959 says...

regarding your comment h jarrs. youre one of those people who probably dont go to work living on state benefits that ride around on your bike all day ignoring red lights riding in the middle of the road not giving any consideration for the car user . or maybe a pen pushing do gooder that works for the greens in the office discussing useless issues all day wasting taxpayers money . get a life mate................
.........
regarding your comment h jarrs. youre one of those people who probably dont go to work living on state benefits that ride around on your bike all day ignoring red lights riding in the middle of the road not giving any consideration for the car user . or maybe a pen pushing do gooder that works for the greens in the office discussing useless issues all day wasting taxpayers money . get a life mate................ ......... tez1959
  • Score: 21

9:05am Sun 16 Feb 14

ARMANA says...

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! wrote:
We have gone to great lengths to create ambiguity for drivers. We want to make Brighton a no go area for them and any little trick we can pull we will.

The most observant readers will note the bus is almost empty...most are!

We are the Greens, HJ what do you think?
Your the biggest load of wxxkxrs this side of the Ponderosa, you asked, !!
[quote][p][bold]I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars![/bold] wrote: We have gone to great lengths to create ambiguity for drivers. We want to make Brighton a no go area for them and any little trick we can pull we will. The most observant readers will note the bus is almost empty...most are! We are the Greens, HJ what do you think?[/p][/quote]Your the biggest load of wxxkxrs this side of the Ponderosa, you asked, !! ARMANA
  • Score: 4

9:12am Sun 16 Feb 14

Darwinism says...

Serves them **** well right. It's been a bus only section for years and is quite clearly marked as such. In the last few months extra signs have gone up but they are still ignoring them. Now they are actually being fined and they are complaining.
If any driver can't see the signs including the very obvious one right across the road then they should have their driving licence taken away as they are a danger to other road users. If they can see the signs and are ignoring them then I'm more than happy for them to be fined as it reduces my council tax.
Serves them **** well right. It's been a bus only section for years and is quite clearly marked as such. In the last few months extra signs have gone up but they are still ignoring them. Now they are actually being fined and they are complaining. If any driver can't see the signs including the very obvious one right across the road then they should have their driving licence taken away as they are a danger to other road users. If they can see the signs and are ignoring them then I'm more than happy for them to be fined as it reduces my council tax. Darwinism
  • Score: -22

10:04am Sun 16 Feb 14

Gribbet says...

A lot of inventive excuses for driving in bus lanes.

Why do people feel compelled to create excuses on behalf of other people they don't know and without knowing anything about the circumstances of these fines (apart from the fact that they were driving in the bus lane, which every driver knows you can't do)?
A lot of inventive excuses for driving in bus lanes. Why do people feel compelled to create excuses on behalf of other people they don't know and without knowing anything about the circumstances of these fines (apart from the fact that they were driving in the bus lane, which every driver knows you can't do)? Gribbet
  • Score: -14

10:05am Sun 16 Feb 14

Gribbet says...

oooiee wrote:
Darwinism wrote:
Serves them **** well right. It's been a bus only section for years and is quite clearly marked as such. In the last few months extra signs have gone up but they are still ignoring them. Now they are actually being fined and they are complaining.
If any driver can't see the signs including the very obvious one right across the road then they should have their driving licence taken away as they are a danger to other road users. If they can see the signs and are ignoring them then I'm more than happy for them to be fined as it reduces my council tax.
What a completre tw4t
I guess the simple truth hurts sometimes.
[quote][p][bold]oooiee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Darwinism[/bold] wrote: Serves them **** well right. It's been a bus only section for years and is quite clearly marked as such. In the last few months extra signs have gone up but they are still ignoring them. Now they are actually being fined and they are complaining. If any driver can't see the signs including the very obvious one right across the road then they should have their driving licence taken away as they are a danger to other road users. If they can see the signs and are ignoring them then I'm more than happy for them to be fined as it reduces my council tax.[/p][/quote]What a completre tw4t[/p][/quote]I guess the simple truth hurts sometimes. Gribbet
  • Score: -15

10:10am Sun 16 Feb 14

We are the 99% says...

The council official say there was a bus lane there for many years!
LIES!
There was a taxi rank there for many years, so how could it be?
The council official say there was a bus lane there for many years! LIES! There was a taxi rank there for many years, so how could it be? We are the 99%
  • Score: 22

10:15am Sun 16 Feb 14

We are the 99% says...

Are we ever going to do something, stick together, and stand up to these Green tyrants?
Are we ever going to do something, stick together, and stand up to these Green tyrants? We are the 99%
  • Score: 25

10:17am Sun 16 Feb 14

Darwinism says...

We are the 99% wrote:
The council official say there was a bus lane there for many years!
LIES!
There was a taxi rank there for many years, so how could it be?
Don't take my word for it, have look on Google maps and see the signs for yourself. If you drove down that road on your driving test you would fail.
[quote][p][bold]We are the 99%[/bold] wrote: The council official say there was a bus lane there for many years! LIES! There was a taxi rank there for many years, so how could it be?[/p][/quote]Don't take my word for it, have look on Google maps and see the signs for yourself. If you drove down that road on your driving test you would fail. Darwinism
  • Score: 23

10:49am Sun 16 Feb 14

Cgull says...

I urge everyone who has received a ticket to appeal as the tickets are inaccurate.

The tickets say the vehicle is at the junction of ditchling road and oxford street, whereas that's where the camera is located.

Vehicles allegedly committing an offence are filmed at the junction of oxford street and London road.

If the location on the ticket was right then no offence would be committed anyway.

Please please appeal.
I urge everyone who has received a ticket to appeal as the tickets are inaccurate. The tickets say the vehicle is at the junction of ditchling road and oxford street, whereas that's where the camera is located. Vehicles allegedly committing an offence are filmed at the junction of oxford street and London road. If the location on the ticket was right then no offence would be committed anyway. Please please appeal. Cgull
  • Score: 27

11:10am Sun 16 Feb 14

wippasnapper says...

A council spokeswoman said: “Oxford Street has had a marked-up bus lane before the junction with London Road for many years.

has it O’ so now after good knows how many years you now chose to find motorist using it – but isn’t it common practice to put up a big red sine like you know have down the Lewes road stating “New road layout” I shell go look and take some photos because I have never seen one.
A council spokeswoman said: “Oxford Street has had a marked-up bus lane before the junction with London Road for many years. has it O’ so now after good knows how many years you now chose to find motorist using it – but isn’t it common practice to put up a big red sine like you know have down the Lewes road stating “New road layout” I shell go look and take some photos because I have never seen one. wippasnapper
  • Score: 0

11:17am Sun 16 Feb 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

If the purpose of the system is to prevent vehicles using it to create a bus lane, then the signage clearly doesn't work as 1,000 motorists have been fined.
If the aim is to gather cash from motorists, the system clearly works. The council really needs to decide what it's aim is.
If the council is being honest it would make some adjustments to the signage. Perhaps they would also like to look at the small plastic home made signs hanging off lamposts on the Lewes Road which state: Now 30mph.
For many years this was 40mph along this stretch and many people are ignoring this, even the councils own contractors, the Royal Mail, the bus company and taxis! who undertake in the bus lane.
If the purpose of the system is to prevent vehicles using it to create a bus lane, then the signage clearly doesn't work as 1,000 motorists have been fined. If the aim is to gather cash from motorists, the system clearly works. The council really needs to decide what it's aim is. If the council is being honest it would make some adjustments to the signage. Perhaps they would also like to look at the small plastic home made signs hanging off lamposts on the Lewes Road which state: Now 30mph. For many years this was 40mph along this stretch and many people are ignoring this, even the councils own contractors, the Royal Mail, the bus company and taxis! who undertake in the bus lane. Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: 24

11:28am Sun 16 Feb 14

Old Ale Man says...

tez1959 wrote:
regarding your comment h jarrs. youre one of those people who probably dont go to work living on state benefits that ride around on your bike all day ignoring red lights riding in the middle of the road not giving any consideration for the car user . or maybe a pen pushing do gooder that works for the greens in the office discussing useless issues all day wasting taxpayers money . get a life mate................ .........
Love your comment tez 1959 and so right. and there's loads and loads of em out there.
[quote][p][bold]tez1959[/bold] wrote: regarding your comment h jarrs. youre one of those people who probably dont go to work living on state benefits that ride around on your bike all day ignoring red lights riding in the middle of the road not giving any consideration for the car user . or maybe a pen pushing do gooder that works for the greens in the office discussing useless issues all day wasting taxpayers money . get a life mate................ .........[/p][/quote]Love your comment tez 1959 and so right. and there's loads and loads of em out there. Old Ale Man
  • Score: 11

11:32am Sun 16 Feb 14

wippasnapper says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
If the purpose of the system is to prevent vehicles using it to create a bus lane, then the signage clearly doesn't work as 1,000 motorists have been fined.
If the aim is to gather cash from motorists, the system clearly works. The council really needs to decide what it's aim is.
If the council is being honest it would make some adjustments to the signage. Perhaps they would also like to look at the small plastic home made signs hanging off lamposts on the Lewes Road which state: Now 30mph.
For many years this was 40mph along this stretch and many people are ignoring this, even the councils own contractors, the Royal Mail, the bus company and taxis! who undertake in the bus lane.
Making adjustments – yes like road marking’s clearly stating bus and taxis only to witch it never has
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: If the purpose of the system is to prevent vehicles using it to create a bus lane, then the signage clearly doesn't work as 1,000 motorists have been fined. If the aim is to gather cash from motorists, the system clearly works. The council really needs to decide what it's aim is. If the council is being honest it would make some adjustments to the signage. Perhaps they would also like to look at the small plastic home made signs hanging off lamposts on the Lewes Road which state: Now 30mph. For many years this was 40mph along this stretch and many people are ignoring this, even the councils own contractors, the Royal Mail, the bus company and taxis! who undertake in the bus lane.[/p][/quote]Making adjustments – yes like road marking’s clearly stating bus and taxis only to witch it never has wippasnapper
  • Score: 2

11:52am Sun 16 Feb 14

Gribbet says...

wippasnapper wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
If the purpose of the system is to prevent vehicles using it to create a bus lane, then the signage clearly doesn't work as 1,000 motorists have been fined.
If the aim is to gather cash from motorists, the system clearly works. The council really needs to decide what it's aim is.
If the council is being honest it would make some adjustments to the signage. Perhaps they would also like to look at the small plastic home made signs hanging off lamposts on the Lewes Road which state: Now 30mph.
For many years this was 40mph along this stretch and many people are ignoring this, even the councils own contractors, the Royal Mail, the bus company and taxis! who undertake in the bus lane.
Making adjustments – yes like road marking’s clearly stating bus and taxis only to witch it never has
Perhaps they could add some swear words and exclamation marks to the signs to further emphasize that cars aren't allowed down that road.

For a sign to work, it just needs to be looked at in the first instance then obeyed in the second.
[quote][p][bold]wippasnapper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: If the purpose of the system is to prevent vehicles using it to create a bus lane, then the signage clearly doesn't work as 1,000 motorists have been fined. If the aim is to gather cash from motorists, the system clearly works. The council really needs to decide what it's aim is. If the council is being honest it would make some adjustments to the signage. Perhaps they would also like to look at the small plastic home made signs hanging off lamposts on the Lewes Road which state: Now 30mph. For many years this was 40mph along this stretch and many people are ignoring this, even the councils own contractors, the Royal Mail, the bus company and taxis! who undertake in the bus lane.[/p][/quote]Making adjustments – yes like road marking’s clearly stating bus and taxis only to witch it never has[/p][/quote]Perhaps they could add some swear words and exclamation marks to the signs to further emphasize that cars aren't allowed down that road. For a sign to work, it just needs to be looked at in the first instance then obeyed in the second. Gribbet
  • Score: -12

11:55am Sun 16 Feb 14

Zamora25 says...

How about fining cyclists for not observing right lights or any aspect of the highway code. If we want to save money how about getting rid of the all the useless MP and councillors in Brighton and Hove.
How about fining cyclists for not observing right lights or any aspect of the highway code. If we want to save money how about getting rid of the all the useless MP and councillors in Brighton and Hove. Zamora25
  • Score: 39

1:06pm Sun 16 Feb 14

biker brighton says...

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! wrote:
We have gone to great lengths to create ambiguity for drivers. We want to make Brighton a no go area for them and any little trick we can pull we will.

The most observant readers will note the bus is almost empty...most are!

We are the Greens, HJ what do you think?
dont worry new boss bus co cutting buses so the few on road have more in them
[quote][p][bold]I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars![/bold] wrote: We have gone to great lengths to create ambiguity for drivers. We want to make Brighton a no go area for them and any little trick we can pull we will. The most observant readers will note the bus is almost empty...most are! We are the Greens, HJ what do you think?[/p][/quote]dont worry new boss bus co cutting buses so the few on road have more in them biker brighton
  • Score: 2

1:23pm Sun 16 Feb 14

Fairfax Aches says...

Ignorancia Juris Non Excusat

(That's Latin btw)
Ignorancia Juris Non Excusat (That's Latin btw) Fairfax Aches
  • Score: -7

1:32pm Sun 16 Feb 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

But it clearly doesn't work Gribbet.
The idea of signage is that it works. I was once fined for parking in a pay and display bay which turned out to be permit holders only. The council sign was not clearly visible and the road markings were under a car a few bays away. I had paid for a ticket from the pay and display machine which was actually right in front of the bay I parked in and it took the whole £1 when the fee was 70 pence but in true council style it's machines didn't give change and the council darned well knew it was making extra cash in a naughty way.
I got a parking ticket. I appealed and won because the council conceded that the signage was not good enough.
However, knowing this Green council, it's probably just another stealth tax as honesty and fairness isn't their strong point.
But it clearly doesn't work Gribbet. The idea of signage is that it works. I was once fined for parking in a pay and display bay which turned out to be permit holders only. The council sign was not clearly visible and the road markings were under a car a few bays away. I had paid for a ticket from the pay and display machine which was actually right in front of the bay I parked in and it took the whole £1 when the fee was 70 pence but in true council style it's machines didn't give change and the council darned well knew it was making extra cash in a naughty way. I got a parking ticket. I appealed and won because the council conceded that the signage was not good enough. However, knowing this Green council, it's probably just another stealth tax as honesty and fairness isn't their strong point. Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: 22

2:05pm Sun 16 Feb 14

Gribbet says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
But it clearly doesn't work Gribbet.
The idea of signage is that it works. I was once fined for parking in a pay and display bay which turned out to be permit holders only. The council sign was not clearly visible and the road markings were under a car a few bays away. I had paid for a ticket from the pay and display machine which was actually right in front of the bay I parked in and it took the whole £1 when the fee was 70 pence but in true council style it's machines didn't give change and the council darned well knew it was making extra cash in a naughty way.
I got a parking ticket. I appealed and won because the council conceded that the signage was not good enough.
However, knowing this Green council, it's probably just another stealth tax as honesty and fairness isn't their strong point.
Your scenario is different to the Oxford Street issue. You can't blame the signs for the fact that people aren't paying attention to them, the idea of signage is that people take notice of them and obey the signs. The issue is either that people aren't paying attention while they're driving, or they're thinking they can just zip through for convenience sake and no one will notice.

There's a few of the usual "yeah, but..." comments above about cyclists running red lights as we've come to expect on here, by your logic does that mean they're skipping red lights because the red lights aren't working well enough so it's up to the council to install better traffic lights? No it doesn't does it. On Oxford Street there are signs on either side of the road and massive 2 metre wide words written white on black in capital letters in the middle of the lane saying "TAXIS BUSSES ONLY". Couldn't be any clearer.
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: But it clearly doesn't work Gribbet. The idea of signage is that it works. I was once fined for parking in a pay and display bay which turned out to be permit holders only. The council sign was not clearly visible and the road markings were under a car a few bays away. I had paid for a ticket from the pay and display machine which was actually right in front of the bay I parked in and it took the whole £1 when the fee was 70 pence but in true council style it's machines didn't give change and the council darned well knew it was making extra cash in a naughty way. I got a parking ticket. I appealed and won because the council conceded that the signage was not good enough. However, knowing this Green council, it's probably just another stealth tax as honesty and fairness isn't their strong point.[/p][/quote]Your scenario is different to the Oxford Street issue. You can't blame the signs for the fact that people aren't paying attention to them, the idea of signage is that people take notice of them and obey the signs. The issue is either that people aren't paying attention while they're driving, or they're thinking they can just zip through for convenience sake and no one will notice. There's a few of the usual "yeah, but..." comments above about cyclists running red lights as we've come to expect on here, by your logic does that mean they're skipping red lights because the red lights aren't working well enough so it's up to the council to install better traffic lights? No it doesn't does it. On Oxford Street there are signs on either side of the road and massive 2 metre wide words written white on black in capital letters in the middle of the lane saying "TAXIS BUSSES ONLY". Couldn't be any clearer. Gribbet
  • Score: -8

2:45pm Sun 16 Feb 14

dingdong2 says...

That has to be one of the worst signposted bus lanes I've seen anywhere in the country.

Where are the big red circled bus only signs, or the "prohibited traffic turn here" that other councils use

Confusion like this proves its just a money making scheme for the council.
That has to be one of the worst signposted bus lanes I've seen anywhere in the country. Where are the big red circled bus only signs, or the "prohibited traffic turn here" that other councils use Confusion like this proves its just a money making scheme for the council. dingdong2
  • Score: 14

2:47pm Sun 16 Feb 14

Martha Gunn says...

Does anybody know how many cyclists have been fined for breaking the law?
Does anybody know how many cyclists have been fined for breaking the law? Martha Gunn
  • Score: 22

3:11pm Sun 16 Feb 14

jackthekipper says...

I look after a building in queens place, the only way to get to it is ditchling rd, oxford st then london rd. you can try the head north up london rd from st peters church but more often than not the buses heading south are backed up to the supermarket by oxford st and you cant turn right into it.
Id not heard about these fines nor noticed new signage and have recently been working in queens place for a week so im going to cop it bug time.!!!!
I look after a building in queens place, the only way to get to it is ditchling rd, oxford st then london rd. you can try the head north up london rd from st peters church but more often than not the buses heading south are backed up to the supermarket by oxford st and you cant turn right into it. Id not heard about these fines nor noticed new signage and have recently been working in queens place for a week so im going to cop it bug time.!!!! jackthekipper
  • Score: 3

3:14pm Sun 16 Feb 14

pullinger says...

I trust people will remember this grabbing money green council when it comes to the elections and put them where they deserve to be it certainly wont be any good waiting for them to do the unthinkable and resign including the road planners just look at where you have to go to get to London Road from Oxford street now.thats really a clever one!!!!
I trust people will remember this grabbing money green council when it comes to the elections and put them where they deserve to be it certainly wont be any good waiting for them to do the unthinkable and resign including the road planners just look at where you have to go to get to London Road from Oxford street now.thats really a clever one!!!! pullinger
  • Score: 13

3:16pm Sun 16 Feb 14

ARMANA says...

Martha Gunn wrote:
Does anybody know how many cyclists have been fined for breaking the law?
Dont know how many been fined bud, but theres been quite a few been squashed, which at the end of the day, is all that matters, cyclists get squashed, car drivers get fined, its not a bad deal really,
[quote][p][bold]Martha Gunn[/bold] wrote: Does anybody know how many cyclists have been fined for breaking the law?[/p][/quote]Dont know how many been fined bud, but theres been quite a few been squashed, which at the end of the day, is all that matters, cyclists get squashed, car drivers get fined, its not a bad deal really, ARMANA
  • Score: 5

3:27pm Sun 16 Feb 14

easyrider says...

Nice to see there actually is some "legal presence" in the city, albeit only spy cameras. It's time the Council employed a warden to patrol the Promenades to fine sloppy cyclists who can't be bothered to use the dedicated cycle lanes, preferring instead to flout the No Cycling rule on the Promenades.

But I'm forgetting -- in this town, cyclists are special. They can do NO wrong.
Nice to see there actually is some "legal presence" in the city, albeit only spy cameras. It's time the Council employed a warden to patrol the Promenades to fine sloppy cyclists who can't be bothered to use the dedicated cycle lanes, preferring instead to flout the No Cycling rule on the Promenades. But I'm forgetting -- in this town, cyclists are special. They can do NO wrong. easyrider
  • Score: 21

3:39pm Sun 16 Feb 14

BURIRAM says...

Cgull wrote:
I urge everyone who has received a ticket to appeal as the tickets are inaccurate.

The tickets say the vehicle is at the junction of ditchling road and oxford street, whereas that's where the camera is located.

Vehicles allegedly committing an offence are filmed at the junction of oxford street and London road.

If the location on the ticket was right then no offence would be committed anyway.

Please please appeal.
Why drive down a Bus lane in the first place, if you want to go down there buy a bus pass
[quote][p][bold]Cgull[/bold] wrote: I urge everyone who has received a ticket to appeal as the tickets are inaccurate. The tickets say the vehicle is at the junction of ditchling road and oxford street, whereas that's where the camera is located. Vehicles allegedly committing an offence are filmed at the junction of oxford street and London road. If the location on the ticket was right then no offence would be committed anyway. Please please appeal.[/p][/quote]Why drive down a Bus lane in the first place, if you want to go down there buy a bus pass BURIRAM
  • Score: -12

3:41pm Sun 16 Feb 14

Pheasant pluckers son says...

So another £60,000 I the council coffers, the greens must be rubbing their grubby little mitts all the way to the bank.
Having being born & bred all my 41 years in brighton, driving since the age of 17 , I find it increasingly confusing with all the added bus lanes, cycle lanes ect. So how strangers n visitors to the town copes is only a guess.
Why don't the greens do something usefull with the fines in conjunction with the bus company (who seem to think they have cate Blanche on the roads in the city) and use a different colour road surface purely for bus lanes. London has bus lanes which signage on is more frequent along the routes and much easier to understand and it's red.
So another £60,000 I the council coffers, the greens must be rubbing their grubby little mitts all the way to the bank. Having being born & bred all my 41 years in brighton, driving since the age of 17 , I find it increasingly confusing with all the added bus lanes, cycle lanes ect. So how strangers n visitors to the town copes is only a guess. Why don't the greens do something usefull with the fines in conjunction with the bus company (who seem to think they have cate Blanche on the roads in the city) and use a different colour road surface purely for bus lanes. London has bus lanes which signage on is more frequent along the routes and much easier to understand and it's red. Pheasant pluckers son
  • Score: 12

3:55pm Sun 16 Feb 14

VoodooGangbanger says...

How are the elderly supposed to get round to st peters medical center with these ludicrous money chasing policies.

Can't be dropped off by their relatives, a taxi, theres no bus stop within 20 feet, some of these people have debilitating conditions

This entire law is shameless profiteering off the general public, a absolute shakedown.
How are the elderly supposed to get round to st peters medical center with these ludicrous money chasing policies. Can't be dropped off by their relatives, a taxi, theres no bus stop within 20 feet, some of these people have debilitating conditions This entire law is shameless profiteering off the general public, a absolute shakedown. VoodooGangbanger
  • Score: 16

4:15pm Sun 16 Feb 14

Old Ladys Gin says...

If nobody paid the fines the system would collapse.
If nobody paid the fines the system would collapse. Old Ladys Gin
  • Score: 9

4:31pm Sun 16 Feb 14

wippasnapper says...

Zamora25 wrote:
How about fining cyclists for not observing right lights or any aspect of the highway code. If we want to save money how about getting rid of the all the useless MP and councillors in Brighton and Hove.
Cyclists obligations Rules for cyclists (59 to 82) and rule 64 clearly states “You MUST NOT cycle on a pavement. Laws HA 1835 sect 72 & R(S)A 1984, sect 129
https://www.gov.uk/r
ules-for-cyclists-59
-to-82/overview-59-t
o-71 but lets be very clear hardly any cyclist obeys there legal obligations and NO police officers ever enforce there obligations. I’ve written to the police commissioner over this many times & still cyclists do as they like when they like regardless of the law.
[quote][p][bold]Zamora25[/bold] wrote: How about fining cyclists for not observing right lights or any aspect of the highway code. If we want to save money how about getting rid of the all the useless MP and councillors in Brighton and Hove.[/p][/quote]Cyclists obligations Rules for cyclists (59 to 82) and rule 64 clearly states “You MUST NOT cycle on a pavement. Laws HA 1835 sect 72 & R(S)A 1984, sect 129 https://www.gov.uk/r ules-for-cyclists-59 -to-82/overview-59-t o-71 but lets be very clear hardly any cyclist obeys there legal obligations and NO police officers ever enforce there obligations. I’ve written to the police commissioner over this many times & still cyclists do as they like when they like regardless of the law. wippasnapper
  • Score: 16

4:40pm Sun 16 Feb 14

davedebrax says...

BURIRAM wrote:
Cgull wrote:
I urge everyone who has received a ticket to appeal as the tickets are inaccurate.

The tickets say the vehicle is at the junction of ditchling road and oxford street, whereas that's where the camera is located.

Vehicles allegedly committing an offence are filmed at the junction of oxford street and London road.

If the location on the ticket was right then no offence would be committed anyway.

Please please appeal.
Why drive down a Bus lane in the first place, if you want to go down there buy a bus pass
Funny you should mention this. Here's my story: in September I bought a bus pass (£300) for my daughter so she could get the bus to go to college. Not cheap, but seemed like the right thing to do. Problem is the buses going to Stringer and Varndean are full in the morning when they reach the level, and they just don't stop. So after lots of email exchanges with B&H buses and the Council, which led nowhere (suggestions were that she could walk to churchill square so that she'd catch the bus before it's full - LOL), I reverted to taking my car to drive her to school... via Oxford street. Didn't notice the signs. Given that I did it pretty much every morning, I am fearing the worst.
I have been generally supportive of this administration, but when greens can't get public transport right, what can they get right?
[quote][p][bold]BURIRAM[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cgull[/bold] wrote: I urge everyone who has received a ticket to appeal as the tickets are inaccurate. The tickets say the vehicle is at the junction of ditchling road and oxford street, whereas that's where the camera is located. Vehicles allegedly committing an offence are filmed at the junction of oxford street and London road. If the location on the ticket was right then no offence would be committed anyway. Please please appeal.[/p][/quote]Why drive down a Bus lane in the first place, if you want to go down there buy a bus pass[/p][/quote]Funny you should mention this. Here's my story: in September I bought a bus pass (£300) for my daughter so she could get the bus to go to college. Not cheap, but seemed like the right thing to do. Problem is the buses going to Stringer and Varndean are full in the morning when they reach the level, and they just don't stop. So after lots of email exchanges with B&H buses and the Council, which led nowhere (suggestions were that she could walk to churchill square so that she'd catch the bus before it's full - LOL), I reverted to taking my car to drive her to school... via Oxford street. Didn't notice the signs. Given that I did it pretty much every morning, I am fearing the worst. I have been generally supportive of this administration, but when greens can't get public transport right, what can they get right? davedebrax
  • Score: 17

5:15pm Sun 16 Feb 14

sabbat36 says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
If the purpose of the system is to prevent vehicles using it to create a bus lane, then the signage clearly doesn't work as 1,000 motorists have been fined.
If the aim is to gather cash from motorists, the system clearly works. The council really needs to decide what it's aim is.
If the council is being honest it would make some adjustments to the signage. Perhaps they would also like to look at the small plastic home made signs hanging off lamposts on the Lewes Road which state: Now 30mph.
For many years this was 40mph along this stretch and many people are ignoring this, even the councils own contractors, the Royal Mail, the bus company and taxis! who undertake in the bus lane.
oh so you are blaming the signs, and the "buses cycles taxis painted on the road. oh and the sins saying "BUS LANE"

Like imperial arcade southbound - Camera sign - bus lane - no entry sign.


People go through these signs because they think they can get away with it. I have in the past.

Then muppets like you who seem to be obsessed with bus lanes and road signs turn up and make excuses for them as well.

what a complete bell end.
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: If the purpose of the system is to prevent vehicles using it to create a bus lane, then the signage clearly doesn't work as 1,000 motorists have been fined. If the aim is to gather cash from motorists, the system clearly works. The council really needs to decide what it's aim is. If the council is being honest it would make some adjustments to the signage. Perhaps they would also like to look at the small plastic home made signs hanging off lamposts on the Lewes Road which state: Now 30mph. For many years this was 40mph along this stretch and many people are ignoring this, even the councils own contractors, the Royal Mail, the bus company and taxis! who undertake in the bus lane.[/p][/quote]oh so you are blaming the signs, and the "buses cycles taxis painted on the road. oh and the sins saying "BUS LANE" Like imperial arcade southbound - Camera sign - bus lane - no entry sign. People go through these signs because they think they can get away with it. I have in the past. Then muppets like you who seem to be obsessed with bus lanes and road signs turn up and make excuses for them as well. what a complete bell end. sabbat36
  • Score: -4

6:33pm Sun 16 Feb 14

Dyno says...

I was surprised to hear about the fines and use of traffic camera, but not that you couldn't enter the London Road from Oxford Street. It's been marked on the road for years that you can't access it.
I could understand a driver maybe missing the large road markings once, but not multiple times.
I was surprised to hear about the fines and use of traffic camera, but not that you couldn't enter the London Road from Oxford Street. It's been marked on the road for years that you can't access it. I could understand a driver maybe missing the large road markings once, but not multiple times. Dyno
  • Score: 3

6:39pm Sun 16 Feb 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

You are the bell end going through a sign thinking you could get away with it. Now that's even more stupid than failing to see a sign. Maybe you shouldn't be driving.p because you're IQ is too low to be responsible enough to drive.
Idiot.
You are the bell end going through a sign thinking you could get away with it. Now that's even more stupid than failing to see a sign. Maybe you shouldn't be driving.p because you're IQ is too low to be responsible enough to drive. Idiot. Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: 4

7:00pm Sun 16 Feb 14

pumpkineater23 says...

Pheasant pluckers son wrote:
So another £60,000 I the council coffers, the greens must be rubbing their grubby little mitts all the way to the bank.
Having being born & bred all my 41 years in brighton, driving since the age of 17 , I find it increasingly confusing with all the added bus lanes, cycle lanes ect. So how strangers n visitors to the town copes is only a guess.
Why don't the greens do something usefull with the fines in conjunction with the bus company (who seem to think they have cate Blanche on the roads in the city) and use a different colour road surface purely for bus lanes. London has bus lanes which signage on is more frequent along the routes and much easier to understand and it's red.
Because then far less people would mistakenly drive on them, thus lowering the amount of money paid to the council in fines. It's why some company's hire security firms to patrol their off street parking areas at night instead of just chaining the area up. It's a trap to make as much money as possible.
[quote][p][bold]Pheasant pluckers son[/bold] wrote: So another £60,000 I the council coffers, the greens must be rubbing their grubby little mitts all the way to the bank. Having being born & bred all my 41 years in brighton, driving since the age of 17 , I find it increasingly confusing with all the added bus lanes, cycle lanes ect. So how strangers n visitors to the town copes is only a guess. Why don't the greens do something usefull with the fines in conjunction with the bus company (who seem to think they have cate Blanche on the roads in the city) and use a different colour road surface purely for bus lanes. London has bus lanes which signage on is more frequent along the routes and much easier to understand and it's red.[/p][/quote]Because then far less people would mistakenly drive on them, thus lowering the amount of money paid to the council in fines. It's why some company's hire security firms to patrol their off street parking areas at night instead of just chaining the area up. It's a trap to make as much money as possible. pumpkineater23
  • Score: 14

8:00pm Sun 16 Feb 14

ghost bus driver says...

Gribbet wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
But it clearly doesn't work Gribbet.
The idea of signage is that it works. I was once fined for parking in a pay and display bay which turned out to be permit holders only. The council sign was not clearly visible and the road markings were under a car a few bays away. I had paid for a ticket from the pay and display machine which was actually right in front of the bay I parked in and it took the whole £1 when the fee was 70 pence but in true council style it's machines didn't give change and the council darned well knew it was making extra cash in a naughty way.
I got a parking ticket. I appealed and won because the council conceded that the signage was not good enough.
However, knowing this Green council, it's probably just another stealth tax as honesty and fairness isn't their strong point.
Your scenario is different to the Oxford Street issue. You can't blame the signs for the fact that people aren't paying attention to them, the idea of signage is that people take notice of them and obey the signs. The issue is either that people aren't paying attention while they're driving, or they're thinking they can just zip through for convenience sake and no one will notice.

There's a few of the usual "yeah, but..." comments above about cyclists running red lights as we've come to expect on here, by your logic does that mean they're skipping red lights because the red lights aren't working well enough so it's up to the council to install better traffic lights? No it doesn't does it. On Oxford Street there are signs on either side of the road and massive 2 metre wide words written white on black in capital letters in the middle of the lane saying "TAXIS BUSSES ONLY". Couldn't be any clearer.
Dude it's 6ft 6.

This is Britain, not the continent.

Imperial please.
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: But it clearly doesn't work Gribbet. The idea of signage is that it works. I was once fined for parking in a pay and display bay which turned out to be permit holders only. The council sign was not clearly visible and the road markings were under a car a few bays away. I had paid for a ticket from the pay and display machine which was actually right in front of the bay I parked in and it took the whole £1 when the fee was 70 pence but in true council style it's machines didn't give change and the council darned well knew it was making extra cash in a naughty way. I got a parking ticket. I appealed and won because the council conceded that the signage was not good enough. However, knowing this Green council, it's probably just another stealth tax as honesty and fairness isn't their strong point.[/p][/quote]Your scenario is different to the Oxford Street issue. You can't blame the signs for the fact that people aren't paying attention to them, the idea of signage is that people take notice of them and obey the signs. The issue is either that people aren't paying attention while they're driving, or they're thinking they can just zip through for convenience sake and no one will notice. There's a few of the usual "yeah, but..." comments above about cyclists running red lights as we've come to expect on here, by your logic does that mean they're skipping red lights because the red lights aren't working well enough so it's up to the council to install better traffic lights? No it doesn't does it. On Oxford Street there are signs on either side of the road and massive 2 metre wide words written white on black in capital letters in the middle of the lane saying "TAXIS BUSSES ONLY". Couldn't be any clearer.[/p][/quote]Dude it's 6ft 6. This is Britain, not the continent. Imperial please. ghost bus driver
  • Score: 0

8:06pm Sun 16 Feb 14

ghost bus driver says...

sabbat36 wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
If the purpose of the system is to prevent vehicles using it to create a bus lane, then the signage clearly doesn't work as 1,000 motorists have been fined.
If the aim is to gather cash from motorists, the system clearly works. The council really needs to decide what it's aim is.
If the council is being honest it would make some adjustments to the signage. Perhaps they would also like to look at the small plastic home made signs hanging off lamposts on the Lewes Road which state: Now 30mph.
For many years this was 40mph along this stretch and many people are ignoring this, even the councils own contractors, the Royal Mail, the bus company and taxis! who undertake in the bus lane.
oh so you are blaming the signs, and the "buses cycles taxis painted on the road. oh and the sins saying "BUS LANE"

Like imperial arcade southbound - Camera sign - bus lane - no entry sign.


People go through these signs because they think they can get away with it. I have in the past.

Then muppets like you who seem to be obsessed with bus lanes and road signs turn up and make excuses for them as well.

what a complete bell end.
Those ones at Imperial arcade are restricted. It's 8am - 8pm. Outside these times you can use it IIRC.
[quote][p][bold]sabbat36[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: If the purpose of the system is to prevent vehicles using it to create a bus lane, then the signage clearly doesn't work as 1,000 motorists have been fined. If the aim is to gather cash from motorists, the system clearly works. The council really needs to decide what it's aim is. If the council is being honest it would make some adjustments to the signage. Perhaps they would also like to look at the small plastic home made signs hanging off lamposts on the Lewes Road which state: Now 30mph. For many years this was 40mph along this stretch and many people are ignoring this, even the councils own contractors, the Royal Mail, the bus company and taxis! who undertake in the bus lane.[/p][/quote]oh so you are blaming the signs, and the "buses cycles taxis painted on the road. oh and the sins saying "BUS LANE" Like imperial arcade southbound - Camera sign - bus lane - no entry sign. People go through these signs because they think they can get away with it. I have in the past. Then muppets like you who seem to be obsessed with bus lanes and road signs turn up and make excuses for them as well. what a complete bell end.[/p][/quote]Those ones at Imperial arcade are restricted. It's 8am - 8pm. Outside these times you can use it IIRC. ghost bus driver
  • Score: 4

9:20pm Sun 16 Feb 14

straightasadye says...

Darwinism wrote:
Serves them **** well right. It's been a bus only section for years and is quite clearly marked as such. In the last few months extra signs have gone up but they are still ignoring them. Now they are actually being fined and they are complaining.
If any driver can't see the signs including the very obvious one right across the road then they should have their driving licence taken away as they are a danger to other road users. If they can see the signs and are ignoring them then I'm more than happy for them to be fined as it reduces my council tax.
Talking a load of **** - end of.
[quote][p][bold]Darwinism[/bold] wrote: Serves them **** well right. It's been a bus only section for years and is quite clearly marked as such. In the last few months extra signs have gone up but they are still ignoring them. Now they are actually being fined and they are complaining. If any driver can't see the signs including the very obvious one right across the road then they should have their driving licence taken away as they are a danger to other road users. If they can see the signs and are ignoring them then I'm more than happy for them to be fined as it reduces my council tax.[/p][/quote]Talking a load of **** - end of. straightasadye
  • Score: 4

9:31pm Sun 16 Feb 14

straightasadye says...

Darwinism wrote:
Serves them **** well right. It's been a bus only section for years and is quite clearly marked as such. In the last few months extra signs have gone up but they are still ignoring them. Now they are actually being fined and they are complaining.
If any driver can't see the signs including the very obvious one right across the road then they should have their driving licence taken away as they are a danger to other road users. If they can see the signs and are ignoring them then I'm more than happy for them to be fined as it reduces my council tax.
Just been blackballed - have another go!
Talking a load of ****.
[quote][p][bold]Darwinism[/bold] wrote: Serves them **** well right. It's been a bus only section for years and is quite clearly marked as such. In the last few months extra signs have gone up but they are still ignoring them. Now they are actually being fined and they are complaining. If any driver can't see the signs including the very obvious one right across the road then they should have their driving licence taken away as they are a danger to other road users. If they can see the signs and are ignoring them then I'm more than happy for them to be fined as it reduces my council tax.[/p][/quote]Just been blackballed - have another go! Talking a load of ****. straightasadye
  • Score: 3

10:17pm Sun 16 Feb 14

Brighton Living says...

So we don't need a tax rise now !!!!
So we don't need a tax rise now !!!! Brighton Living
  • Score: 7

11:16pm Sun 16 Feb 14

Bob_The_Ferret says...

The only reason for the restrictions to run 24/7, even when there are no buses running seems to be to maximise the potential revenue for the thieving green b'strds.
The only reason for the restrictions to run 24/7, even when there are no buses running seems to be to maximise the potential revenue for the thieving green b'strds. Bob_The_Ferret
  • Score: 8

1:04am Mon 17 Feb 14

JoeBlow says...

Fairfax Aches wrote:
Ignorancia Juris Non Excusat

(That's Latin btw)
Wrong. It is "Ignorantia".
[quote][p][bold]Fairfax Aches[/bold] wrote: Ignorancia Juris Non Excusat (That's Latin btw)[/p][/quote]Wrong. It is "Ignorantia". JoeBlow
  • Score: 2

2:15am Mon 17 Feb 14

Gribbet says...

Martha Gunn wrote:
Does anybody know how many cyclists have been fined for breaking the law?
Yes, cyclists get fined all the time as I often see walking through air street in town. Details below of a recent crackdown in London that should cheer you up. As we've now established that cyclists also get fined for breaking the rules, can people stop making excuses for the drivers that were caught and stop changing the subject to talk about cyclists (who are allowed down Oxford Street).

This happens all the time btw, kind of makes the Oxford Street pale to insignificance if anything:

http://www.cyclingwe
ekly.co.
uk/news/latest-news
/over-14000-penalise
d-by-
police-in-london-roa
d-safety-
operation-19177
[quote][p][bold]Martha Gunn[/bold] wrote: Does anybody know how many cyclists have been fined for breaking the law?[/p][/quote]Yes, cyclists get fined all the time as I often see walking through air street in town. Details below of a recent crackdown in London that should cheer you up. As we've now established that cyclists also get fined for breaking the rules, can people stop making excuses for the drivers that were caught and stop changing the subject to talk about cyclists (who are allowed down Oxford Street). This happens all the time btw, kind of makes the Oxford Street pale to insignificance if anything: http://www.cyclingwe ekly.co. uk/news/latest-news /over-14000-penalise d-by- police-in-london-roa d-safety- operation-19177 Gribbet
  • Score: -6

2:29am Mon 17 Feb 14

Gribbet says...

ghost bus driver wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
But it clearly doesn't work Gribbet.
The idea of signage is that it works. I was once fined for parking in a pay and display bay which turned out to be permit holders only. The council sign was not clearly visible and the road markings were under a car a few bays away. I had paid for a ticket from the pay and display machine which was actually right in front of the bay I parked in and it took the whole £1 when the fee was 70 pence but in true council style it's machines didn't give change and the council darned well knew it was making extra cash in a naughty way.
I got a parking ticket. I appealed and won because the council conceded that the signage was not good enough.
However, knowing this Green council, it's probably just another stealth tax as honesty and fairness isn't their strong point.
Your scenario is different to the Oxford Street issue. You can't blame the signs for the fact that people aren't paying attention to them, the idea of signage is that people take notice of them and obey the signs. The issue is either that people aren't paying attention while they're driving, or they're thinking they can just zip through for convenience sake and no one will notice.

There's a few of the usual "yeah, but..." comments above about cyclists running red lights as we've come to expect on here, by your logic does that mean they're skipping red lights because the red lights aren't working well enough so it's up to the council to install better traffic lights? No it doesn't does it. On Oxford Street there are signs on either side of the road and massive 2 metre wide words written white on black in capital letters in the middle of the lane saying "TAXIS BUSSES ONLY". Couldn't be any clearer.
Dude it's 6ft 6.

This is Britain, not the continent.

Imperial please.
True, soz
[quote][p][bold]ghost bus driver[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: But it clearly doesn't work Gribbet. The idea of signage is that it works. I was once fined for parking in a pay and display bay which turned out to be permit holders only. The council sign was not clearly visible and the road markings were under a car a few bays away. I had paid for a ticket from the pay and display machine which was actually right in front of the bay I parked in and it took the whole £1 when the fee was 70 pence but in true council style it's machines didn't give change and the council darned well knew it was making extra cash in a naughty way. I got a parking ticket. I appealed and won because the council conceded that the signage was not good enough. However, knowing this Green council, it's probably just another stealth tax as honesty and fairness isn't their strong point.[/p][/quote]Your scenario is different to the Oxford Street issue. You can't blame the signs for the fact that people aren't paying attention to them, the idea of signage is that people take notice of them and obey the signs. The issue is either that people aren't paying attention while they're driving, or they're thinking they can just zip through for convenience sake and no one will notice. There's a few of the usual "yeah, but..." comments above about cyclists running red lights as we've come to expect on here, by your logic does that mean they're skipping red lights because the red lights aren't working well enough so it's up to the council to install better traffic lights? No it doesn't does it. On Oxford Street there are signs on either side of the road and massive 2 metre wide words written white on black in capital letters in the middle of the lane saying "TAXIS BUSSES ONLY". Couldn't be any clearer.[/p][/quote]Dude it's 6ft 6. This is Britain, not the continent. Imperial please.[/p][/quote]True, soz Gribbet
  • Score: 0

4:34am Mon 17 Feb 14

Brighton voice says...

Brighton voice

The Oxford Street Bus Lane is nothing but a cash cow to the incompetent idiots running Brighton & Hove City Council. The signage in Ditchling Road as you travel south is frequently obscured by buses and trucks. the signs at the junction of Oxford Street are less likely to be seen as a driver negotiates the right hand turn from Ditchling Road into Oxford Street with larger vehicles often making a wider sweep at the junction to turn north into Ditchling Road.

The required solid white line has only recently been added to indicate a bus lane. Signage on the north side of Oxford Street is frequently obscured by buses and trucks travelling east up Oxford Street and the signs on the south side (by Boots) is at a busy entrance and exit to both a car park and commercial delivery area. Consequently a driver’s attention is most likely to be drawn to safety issues this junction poses.

If the issue is viewed logically drivers can lawfully drive into and down Oxford Street to the entrance of the car park at which point the alleged bus lane supposedly starts. On reaching this point and allegedly you can not pass it what are you supposed to do. The car park is not a public road and should not be used for the purpose of turning round to avoid the bus lane. The only option a driver has would be to perform a three point turn very clever on a busy two way road with a high volume of buses in both directions increasing the risk of both accidents and injuries.

The signage needs improving including a broken white line at the start of the bus lane and more prominent signage at this point. The camera being used is an old Police camera at the junction of Ditchling Road and Oxford Street (remember when CCTV was introduced and the assurance it would only be used for crime ha-ha). However no signage is displayed to indicate that the lane is camera enforced and it should be. The camera should record both still and video evidence of the alleged offence and my understanding of the law should clearly show the vehicle passing the relevant signs this should be available for viewing by the defendant on demand. In this specific case I would argue this should include the signage as you turn from Ditchling Road into Oxford Street. I would personally take both photographic and video evidence of the approach to Oxford Street and up to the start of the alleged bus lane.

As the public are clearly being ripped off perhaps The Argus would like to investigate the law and this bus lane. For anyone that has received a penalty notice for the Oxford Street bus lane in every case always appeal it. Recommended reading to help with this is probably (a) A Code of Practice for Bus Lane Camera Enforcement Using attended CCTV equipment for Approved English Local Authorities outside London. (b) Traffic Signs Manual Regulatory Signs.
Brighton voice The Oxford Street Bus Lane is nothing but a cash cow to the incompetent idiots running Brighton & Hove City Council. The signage in Ditchling Road as you travel south is frequently obscured by buses and trucks. the signs at the junction of Oxford Street are less likely to be seen as a driver negotiates the right hand turn from Ditchling Road into Oxford Street with larger vehicles often making a wider sweep at the junction to turn north into Ditchling Road. The required solid white line has only recently been added to indicate a bus lane. Signage on the north side of Oxford Street is frequently obscured by buses and trucks travelling east up Oxford Street and the signs on the south side (by Boots) is at a busy entrance and exit to both a car park and commercial delivery area. Consequently a driver’s attention is most likely to be drawn to safety issues this junction poses. If the issue is viewed logically drivers can lawfully drive into and down Oxford Street to the entrance of the car park at which point the alleged bus lane supposedly starts. On reaching this point and allegedly you can not pass it what are you supposed to do. The car park is not a public road and should not be used for the purpose of turning round to avoid the bus lane. The only option a driver has would be to perform a three point turn very clever on a busy two way road with a high volume of buses in both directions increasing the risk of both accidents and injuries. The signage needs improving including a broken white line at the start of the bus lane and more prominent signage at this point. The camera being used is an old Police camera at the junction of Ditchling Road and Oxford Street (remember when CCTV was introduced and the assurance it would only be used for crime ha-ha). However no signage is displayed to indicate that the lane is camera enforced and it should be. The camera should record both still and video evidence of the alleged offence and my understanding of the law should clearly show the vehicle passing the relevant signs this should be available for viewing by the defendant on demand. In this specific case I would argue this should include the signage as you turn from Ditchling Road into Oxford Street. I would personally take both photographic and video evidence of the approach to Oxford Street and up to the start of the alleged bus lane. As the public are clearly being ripped off perhaps The Argus would like to investigate the law and this bus lane. For anyone that has received a penalty notice for the Oxford Street bus lane in every case always appeal it. Recommended reading to help with this is probably (a) A Code of Practice for Bus Lane Camera Enforcement Using attended CCTV equipment for Approved English Local Authorities outside London. (b) Traffic Signs Manual Regulatory Signs. Brighton voice
  • Score: 17

1:36pm Mon 17 Feb 14

gheese77 says...

wippasnapper wrote:
Zamora25 wrote:
How about fining cyclists for not observing right lights or any aspect of the highway code. If we want to save money how about getting rid of the all the useless MP and councillors in Brighton and Hove.
Cyclists obligations Rules for cyclists (59 to 82) and rule 64 clearly states “You MUST NOT cycle on a pavement. Laws HA 1835 sect 72 & R(S)A 1984, sect 129
https://www.gov.uk/r

ules-for-cyclists-59

-to-82/overview-59-t

o-71 but lets be very clear hardly any cyclist obeys there legal obligations and NO police officers ever enforce there obligations. I’ve written to the police commissioner over this many times & still cyclists do as they like when they like regardless of the law.
I would also like to point out that virtually no motorist obeys all their legal obligations (how many motorists have never broken the speed limit !)
If you are seriously concerned about safety I suggest you write to the police commissioner about this far more dangerous practice.
[quote][p][bold]wippasnapper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zamora25[/bold] wrote: How about fining cyclists for not observing right lights or any aspect of the highway code. If we want to save money how about getting rid of the all the useless MP and councillors in Brighton and Hove.[/p][/quote]Cyclists obligations Rules for cyclists (59 to 82) and rule 64 clearly states “You MUST NOT cycle on a pavement. Laws HA 1835 sect 72 & R(S)A 1984, sect 129 https://www.gov.uk/r ules-for-cyclists-59 -to-82/overview-59-t o-71 but lets be very clear hardly any cyclist obeys there legal obligations and NO police officers ever enforce there obligations. I’ve written to the police commissioner over this many times & still cyclists do as they like when they like regardless of the law.[/p][/quote]I would also like to point out that virtually no motorist obeys all their legal obligations (how many motorists have never broken the speed limit !) If you are seriously concerned about safety I suggest you write to the police commissioner about this far more dangerous practice. gheese77
  • Score: 0

1:56pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Gribbet says...

Brighton voice wrote:
Brighton voice

The Oxford Street Bus Lane is nothing but a cash cow to the incompetent idiots running Brighton & Hove City Council. The signage in Ditchling Road as you travel south is frequently obscured by buses and trucks. the signs at the junction of Oxford Street are less likely to be seen as a driver negotiates the right hand turn from Ditchling Road into Oxford Street with larger vehicles often making a wider sweep at the junction to turn north into Ditchling Road.

The required solid white line has only recently been added to indicate a bus lane. Signage on the north side of Oxford Street is frequently obscured by buses and trucks travelling east up Oxford Street and the signs on the south side (by Boots) is at a busy entrance and exit to both a car park and commercial delivery area. Consequently a driver’s attention is most likely to be drawn to safety issues this junction poses.

If the issue is viewed logically drivers can lawfully drive into and down Oxford Street to the entrance of the car park at which point the alleged bus lane supposedly starts. On reaching this point and allegedly you can not pass it what are you supposed to do. The car park is not a public road and should not be used for the purpose of turning round to avoid the bus lane. The only option a driver has would be to perform a three point turn very clever on a busy two way road with a high volume of buses in both directions increasing the risk of both accidents and injuries.

The signage needs improving including a broken white line at the start of the bus lane and more prominent signage at this point. The camera being used is an old Police camera at the junction of Ditchling Road and Oxford Street (remember when CCTV was introduced and the assurance it would only be used for crime ha-ha). However no signage is displayed to indicate that the lane is camera enforced and it should be. The camera should record both still and video evidence of the alleged offence and my understanding of the law should clearly show the vehicle passing the relevant signs this should be available for viewing by the defendant on demand. In this specific case I would argue this should include the signage as you turn from Ditchling Road into Oxford Street. I would personally take both photographic and video evidence of the approach to Oxford Street and up to the start of the alleged bus lane.

As the public are clearly being ripped off perhaps The Argus would like to investigate the law and this bus lane. For anyone that has received a penalty notice for the Oxford Street bus lane in every case always appeal it. Recommended reading to help with this is probably (a) A Code of Practice for Bus Lane Camera Enforcement Using attended CCTV equipment for Approved English Local Authorities outside London. (b) Traffic Signs Manual Regulatory Signs.
More crazy excuses, what about those massive words written in white capital letters across the middle of the tarmac saying "BUSSES TAXIS ONLY"?

On the rare occasion that someone drives down the road and realises their mistake, they should just turn around in the car park and go back the short distance they came from. Why do you think drivers shouldn't turn around in the car park? I'm not aware of any laws saying you can't drive in to a car park and drive straight out again if you want to. Contrary to your take on logic, turning around in the car park would be the best thing to do rather than attempting a 3 point turn in the middle of the road.
[quote][p][bold]Brighton voice[/bold] wrote: Brighton voice The Oxford Street Bus Lane is nothing but a cash cow to the incompetent idiots running Brighton & Hove City Council. The signage in Ditchling Road as you travel south is frequently obscured by buses and trucks. the signs at the junction of Oxford Street are less likely to be seen as a driver negotiates the right hand turn from Ditchling Road into Oxford Street with larger vehicles often making a wider sweep at the junction to turn north into Ditchling Road. The required solid white line has only recently been added to indicate a bus lane. Signage on the north side of Oxford Street is frequently obscured by buses and trucks travelling east up Oxford Street and the signs on the south side (by Boots) is at a busy entrance and exit to both a car park and commercial delivery area. Consequently a driver’s attention is most likely to be drawn to safety issues this junction poses. If the issue is viewed logically drivers can lawfully drive into and down Oxford Street to the entrance of the car park at which point the alleged bus lane supposedly starts. On reaching this point and allegedly you can not pass it what are you supposed to do. The car park is not a public road and should not be used for the purpose of turning round to avoid the bus lane. The only option a driver has would be to perform a three point turn very clever on a busy two way road with a high volume of buses in both directions increasing the risk of both accidents and injuries. The signage needs improving including a broken white line at the start of the bus lane and more prominent signage at this point. The camera being used is an old Police camera at the junction of Ditchling Road and Oxford Street (remember when CCTV was introduced and the assurance it would only be used for crime ha-ha). However no signage is displayed to indicate that the lane is camera enforced and it should be. The camera should record both still and video evidence of the alleged offence and my understanding of the law should clearly show the vehicle passing the relevant signs this should be available for viewing by the defendant on demand. In this specific case I would argue this should include the signage as you turn from Ditchling Road into Oxford Street. I would personally take both photographic and video evidence of the approach to Oxford Street and up to the start of the alleged bus lane. As the public are clearly being ripped off perhaps The Argus would like to investigate the law and this bus lane. For anyone that has received a penalty notice for the Oxford Street bus lane in every case always appeal it. Recommended reading to help with this is probably (a) A Code of Practice for Bus Lane Camera Enforcement Using attended CCTV equipment for Approved English Local Authorities outside London. (b) Traffic Signs Manual Regulatory Signs.[/p][/quote]More crazy excuses, what about those massive words written in white capital letters across the middle of the tarmac saying "BUSSES TAXIS ONLY"? On the rare occasion that someone drives down the road and realises their mistake, they should just turn around in the car park and go back the short distance they came from. Why do you think drivers shouldn't turn around in the car park? I'm not aware of any laws saying you can't drive in to a car park and drive straight out again if you want to. Contrary to your take on logic, turning around in the car park would be the best thing to do rather than attempting a 3 point turn in the middle of the road. Gribbet
  • Score: -4

3:29pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Ihopenoonehasthisusername says...

If people can't understand the signage in Oxford Street I'm not sure they should have a driving licence. It's all very clear and has been for the ten plus years I've lived in Brighton. BUSES AND TAXIS ONLY in big white letters on the ground and on a sign too.
If people can't understand the signage in Oxford Street I'm not sure they should have a driving licence. It's all very clear and has been for the ten plus years I've lived in Brighton. BUSES AND TAXIS ONLY in big white letters on the ground and on a sign too. Ihopenoonehasthisusername
  • Score: -3

3:32pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Ihopenoonehasthisusername says...

oooiee wrote:
Darwinism wrote:
Serves them **** well right. It's been a bus only section for years and is quite clearly marked as such. In the last few months extra signs have gone up but they are still ignoring them. Now they are actually being fined and they are complaining.
If any driver can't see the signs including the very obvious one right across the road then they should have their driving licence taken away as they are a danger to other road users. If they can see the signs and are ignoring them then I'm more than happy for them to be fined as it reduces my council tax.
What a completre tw4t
You must be one of the divvies that can't read road signs.
[quote][p][bold]oooiee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Darwinism[/bold] wrote: Serves them **** well right. It's been a bus only section for years and is quite clearly marked as such. In the last few months extra signs have gone up but they are still ignoring them. Now they are actually being fined and they are complaining. If any driver can't see the signs including the very obvious one right across the road then they should have their driving licence taken away as they are a danger to other road users. If they can see the signs and are ignoring them then I'm more than happy for them to be fined as it reduces my council tax.[/p][/quote]What a completre tw4t[/p][/quote]You must be one of the divvies that can't read road signs. Ihopenoonehasthisusername
  • Score: -2

7:24pm Mon 17 Feb 14

jackthekipper says...

In any case the car park is generally occupied by a large articulated lorry,this is a ludicrous situation and I like 'brightonvoice''s idea of the argus investigating this short road that becomes a bus lane,not just the signage and approach to Oxford st but also as to how the hell are you supposed to known it has changed,there is no written notification,no announcements on bbc radio Sussex.i only found out yesterday by reading the 1000motorists fined in the argus.i don't read the argus everyday so wouldn't have known even had it been announced.absolute madness from a mad council
In any case the car park is generally occupied by a large articulated lorry,this is a ludicrous situation and I like 'brightonvoice''s idea of the argus investigating this short road that becomes a bus lane,not just the signage and approach to Oxford st but also as to how the hell are you supposed to known it has changed,there is no written notification,no announcements on bbc radio Sussex.i only found out yesterday by reading the 1000motorists fined in the argus.i don't read the argus everyday so wouldn't have known even had it been announced.absolute madness from a mad council jackthekipper
  • Score: 5

7:31pm Mon 17 Feb 14

ghost bus driver says...

I saw quite a lot today. But I think if they plan to fine people I think they should have given some warning in advance.
I saw quite a lot today. But I think if they plan to fine people I think they should have given some warning in advance. ghost bus driver
  • Score: 1

8:32pm Mon 17 Feb 14

cleggalike says...

Top Tip.

Avoid paying fines for driving in a bus lane by not driving in a bus lane.
Top Tip. Avoid paying fines for driving in a bus lane by not driving in a bus lane. cleggalike
  • Score: 1

11:02pm Mon 17 Feb 14

ARMANA says...

cleggalike wrote:
Top Tip.

Avoid paying fines for driving in a bus lane by not driving in a bus lane.
Mastermind 2014,
[quote][p][bold]cleggalike[/bold] wrote: Top Tip. Avoid paying fines for driving in a bus lane by not driving in a bus lane.[/p][/quote]Mastermind 2014, ARMANA
  • Score: 0

5:07pm Tue 18 Feb 14

Brighton voice says...

Gribbet wrote:
Brighton voice wrote:
Brighton voice

The Oxford Street Bus Lane is nothing but a cash cow to the incompetent idiots running Brighton & Hove City Council. The signage in Ditchling Road as you travel south is frequently obscured by buses and trucks. the signs at the junction of Oxford Street are less likely to be seen as a driver negotiates the right hand turn from Ditchling Road into Oxford Street with larger vehicles often making a wider sweep at the junction to turn north into Ditchling Road.

The required solid white line has only recently been added to indicate a bus lane. Signage on the north side of Oxford Street is frequently obscured by buses and trucks travelling east up Oxford Street and the signs on the south side (by Boots) is at a busy entrance and exit to both a car park and commercial delivery area. Consequently a driver’s attention is most likely to be drawn to safety issues this junction poses.

If the issue is viewed logically drivers can lawfully drive into and down Oxford Street to the entrance of the car park at which point the alleged bus lane supposedly starts. On reaching this point and allegedly you can not pass it what are you supposed to do. The car park is not a public road and should not be used for the purpose of turning round to avoid the bus lane. The only option a driver has would be to perform a three point turn very clever on a busy two way road with a high volume of buses in both directions increasing the risk of both accidents and injuries.

The signage needs improving including a broken white line at the start of the bus lane and more prominent signage at this point. The camera being used is an old Police camera at the junction of Ditchling Road and Oxford Street (remember when CCTV was introduced and the assurance it would only be used for crime ha-ha). However no signage is displayed to indicate that the lane is camera enforced and it should be. The camera should record both still and video evidence of the alleged offence and my understanding of the law should clearly show the vehicle passing the relevant signs this should be available for viewing by the defendant on demand. In this specific case I would argue this should include the signage as you turn from Ditchling Road into Oxford Street. I would personally take both photographic and video evidence of the approach to Oxford Street and up to the start of the alleged bus lane.

As the public are clearly being ripped off perhaps The Argus would like to investigate the law and this bus lane. For anyone that has received a penalty notice for the Oxford Street bus lane in every case always appeal it. Recommended reading to help with this is probably (a) A Code of Practice for Bus Lane Camera Enforcement Using attended CCTV equipment for Approved English Local Authorities outside London. (b) Traffic Signs Manual Regulatory Signs.
More crazy excuses, what about those massive words written in white capital letters across the middle of the tarmac saying "BUSSES TAXIS ONLY"?

On the rare occasion that someone drives down the road and realises their mistake, they should just turn around in the car park and go back the short distance they came from. Why do you think drivers shouldn't turn around in the car park? I'm not aware of any laws saying you can't drive in to a car park and drive straight out again if you want to. Contrary to your take on logic, turning around in the car park would be the best thing to do rather than attempting a 3 point turn in the middle of the road.
Clearly one of the legendary Green Trolls that pop up to support any green plan or scheme as always if its anti car lets support it.
The fact is this road was not a bus lane until the T R O (Traffic Regulation Order) was sealed in 2013. Prior to this for many years a Taxi Rank was situated in this position making it imposable to have been a genuine bus lane within the law as the lane would have been obstructed by the taxi Rank. Whilst you are entitled to your view however bigoted it may be at least get your facts right first.
If we are talking about if a driver that missed the poor signage why don’t we go the all the way and prosecute every cyclist that brakes the law to list a few.
1. Unlawfully riding down the southbound Bus Lane from St Peters Place towards North Road.
2. Riding through Red lights.
3. Riding without lights after dusk.
4. Riding the wrong way on one way roads I have even seen it on Lewes Road cycle lanes.
5. Riding on pavements.
6. Stupid helmet lights that dangerously reflect in the rear view mirror affecting a drivers vision.
These are just a few points of the criminality of the majority of cyclists, whilst a few do ride correctly. Perhaps people in glass houses should not throw stones just an outside chance the law will be applied to cyclists one day!
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton voice[/bold] wrote: Brighton voice The Oxford Street Bus Lane is nothing but a cash cow to the incompetent idiots running Brighton & Hove City Council. The signage in Ditchling Road as you travel south is frequently obscured by buses and trucks. the signs at the junction of Oxford Street are less likely to be seen as a driver negotiates the right hand turn from Ditchling Road into Oxford Street with larger vehicles often making a wider sweep at the junction to turn north into Ditchling Road. The required solid white line has only recently been added to indicate a bus lane. Signage on the north side of Oxford Street is frequently obscured by buses and trucks travelling east up Oxford Street and the signs on the south side (by Boots) is at a busy entrance and exit to both a car park and commercial delivery area. Consequently a driver’s attention is most likely to be drawn to safety issues this junction poses. If the issue is viewed logically drivers can lawfully drive into and down Oxford Street to the entrance of the car park at which point the alleged bus lane supposedly starts. On reaching this point and allegedly you can not pass it what are you supposed to do. The car park is not a public road and should not be used for the purpose of turning round to avoid the bus lane. The only option a driver has would be to perform a three point turn very clever on a busy two way road with a high volume of buses in both directions increasing the risk of both accidents and injuries. The signage needs improving including a broken white line at the start of the bus lane and more prominent signage at this point. The camera being used is an old Police camera at the junction of Ditchling Road and Oxford Street (remember when CCTV was introduced and the assurance it would only be used for crime ha-ha). However no signage is displayed to indicate that the lane is camera enforced and it should be. The camera should record both still and video evidence of the alleged offence and my understanding of the law should clearly show the vehicle passing the relevant signs this should be available for viewing by the defendant on demand. In this specific case I would argue this should include the signage as you turn from Ditchling Road into Oxford Street. I would personally take both photographic and video evidence of the approach to Oxford Street and up to the start of the alleged bus lane. As the public are clearly being ripped off perhaps The Argus would like to investigate the law and this bus lane. For anyone that has received a penalty notice for the Oxford Street bus lane in every case always appeal it. Recommended reading to help with this is probably (a) A Code of Practice for Bus Lane Camera Enforcement Using attended CCTV equipment for Approved English Local Authorities outside London. (b) Traffic Signs Manual Regulatory Signs.[/p][/quote]More crazy excuses, what about those massive words written in white capital letters across the middle of the tarmac saying "BUSSES TAXIS ONLY"? On the rare occasion that someone drives down the road and realises their mistake, they should just turn around in the car park and go back the short distance they came from. Why do you think drivers shouldn't turn around in the car park? I'm not aware of any laws saying you can't drive in to a car park and drive straight out again if you want to. Contrary to your take on logic, turning around in the car park would be the best thing to do rather than attempting a 3 point turn in the middle of the road.[/p][/quote]Clearly one of the legendary Green Trolls that pop up to support any green plan or scheme as always if its anti car lets support it. The fact is this road was not a bus lane until the T R O (Traffic Regulation Order) was sealed in 2013. Prior to this for many years a Taxi Rank was situated in this position making it imposable to have been a genuine bus lane within the law as the lane would have been obstructed by the taxi Rank. Whilst you are entitled to your view however bigoted it may be at least get your facts right first. If we are talking about if a driver that missed the poor signage why don’t we go the all the way and prosecute every cyclist that brakes the law to list a few. 1. Unlawfully riding down the southbound Bus Lane from St Peters Place towards North Road. 2. Riding through Red lights. 3. Riding without lights after dusk. 4. Riding the wrong way on one way roads I have even seen it on Lewes Road cycle lanes. 5. Riding on pavements. 6. Stupid helmet lights that dangerously reflect in the rear view mirror affecting a drivers vision. These are just a few points of the criminality of the majority of cyclists, whilst a few do ride correctly. Perhaps people in glass houses should not throw stones just an outside chance the law will be applied to cyclists one day! Brighton voice
  • Score: 8

6:57pm Tue 18 Feb 14

boredofbrighton says...

Ihopenoonehasthisuse
rname
wrote:
oooiee wrote:
Darwinism wrote:
Serves them **** well right. It's been a bus only section for years and is quite clearly marked as such. In the last few months extra signs have gone up but they are still ignoring them. Now they are actually being fined and they are complaining.
If any driver can't see the signs including the very obvious one right across the road then they should have their driving licence taken away as they are a danger to other road users. If they can see the signs and are ignoring them then I'm more than happy for them to be fined as it reduces my council tax.
What a completre tw4t
You must be one of the divvies that can't read road signs.
As one of the divvies who can't read road signs I too have fallen foul to this bus lane this weekend, whilst half the lower end of the town was closed off due to the bloomin marathon. I can honestly say that for me it was in error, it was not as some of you like to assume, total ignorance with intention of flouting the law. After taking a route across town that took 40 minutes instead of 10, I inadvertently ended up at the junction in question, thinking it was the road before (Francis St.), by the time I was half way down the road, there were several other vehicles in front of me, so the BIG WHITE LETTERS that some of you keep harping on about were not visible due to other vehicles obscuring them. I remember making sure that some pedestrians crossing in front of were given the space they needed, at which point I must have missed the little blue sign that I have now seen on google maps.
Some times people make mistakes, so stop insulting them and realise that you aren't perfect, and should perhaps withhold your judgemental attitude.
[quote][p][bold]Ihopenoonehasthisuse rname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oooiee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Darwinism[/bold] wrote: Serves them **** well right. It's been a bus only section for years and is quite clearly marked as such. In the last few months extra signs have gone up but they are still ignoring them. Now they are actually being fined and they are complaining. If any driver can't see the signs including the very obvious one right across the road then they should have their driving licence taken away as they are a danger to other road users. If they can see the signs and are ignoring them then I'm more than happy for them to be fined as it reduces my council tax.[/p][/quote]What a completre tw4t[/p][/quote]You must be one of the divvies that can't read road signs.[/p][/quote]As one of the divvies who can't read road signs I too have fallen foul to this bus lane this weekend, whilst half the lower end of the town was closed off due to the bloomin marathon. I can honestly say that for me it was in error, it was not as some of you like to assume, total ignorance with intention of flouting the law. After taking a route across town that took 40 minutes instead of 10, I inadvertently ended up at the junction in question, thinking it was the road before (Francis St.), by the time I was half way down the road, there were several other vehicles in front of me, so the BIG WHITE LETTERS that some of you keep harping on about were not visible due to other vehicles obscuring them. I remember making sure that some pedestrians crossing in front of were given the space they needed, at which point I must have missed the little blue sign that I have now seen on google maps. Some times people make mistakes, so stop insulting them and realise that you aren't perfect, and should perhaps withhold your judgemental attitude. boredofbrighton
  • Score: 7

12:58am Wed 19 Feb 14

Gribbet says...

Brighton voice wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Brighton voice wrote:
Brighton voice

The Oxford Street Bus Lane is nothing but a cash cow to the incompetent idiots running Brighton & Hove City Council. The signage in Ditchling Road as you travel south is frequently obscured by buses and trucks. the signs at the junction of Oxford Street are less likely to be seen as a driver negotiates the right hand turn from Ditchling Road into Oxford Street with larger vehicles often making a wider sweep at the junction to turn north into Ditchling Road.

The required solid white line has only recently been added to indicate a bus lane. Signage on the north side of Oxford Street is frequently obscured by buses and trucks travelling east up Oxford Street and the signs on the south side (by Boots) is at a busy entrance and exit to both a car park and commercial delivery area. Consequently a driver’s attention is most likely to be drawn to safety issues this junction poses.

If the issue is viewed logically drivers can lawfully drive into and down Oxford Street to the entrance of the car park at which point the alleged bus lane supposedly starts. On reaching this point and allegedly you can not pass it what are you supposed to do. The car park is not a public road and should not be used for the purpose of turning round to avoid the bus lane. The only option a driver has would be to perform a three point turn very clever on a busy two way road with a high volume of buses in both directions increasing the risk of both accidents and injuries.

The signage needs improving including a broken white line at the start of the bus lane and more prominent signage at this point. The camera being used is an old Police camera at the junction of Ditchling Road and Oxford Street (remember when CCTV was introduced and the assurance it would only be used for crime ha-ha). However no signage is displayed to indicate that the lane is camera enforced and it should be. The camera should record both still and video evidence of the alleged offence and my understanding of the law should clearly show the vehicle passing the relevant signs this should be available for viewing by the defendant on demand. In this specific case I would argue this should include the signage as you turn from Ditchling Road into Oxford Street. I would personally take both photographic and video evidence of the approach to Oxford Street and up to the start of the alleged bus lane.

As the public are clearly being ripped off perhaps The Argus would like to investigate the law and this bus lane. For anyone that has received a penalty notice for the Oxford Street bus lane in every case always appeal it. Recommended reading to help with this is probably (a) A Code of Practice for Bus Lane Camera Enforcement Using attended CCTV equipment for Approved English Local Authorities outside London. (b) Traffic Signs Manual Regulatory Signs.
More crazy excuses, what about those massive words written in white capital letters across the middle of the tarmac saying "BUSSES TAXIS ONLY"?

On the rare occasion that someone drives down the road and realises their mistake, they should just turn around in the car park and go back the short distance they came from. Why do you think drivers shouldn't turn around in the car park? I'm not aware of any laws saying you can't drive in to a car park and drive straight out again if you want to. Contrary to your take on logic, turning around in the car park would be the best thing to do rather than attempting a 3 point turn in the middle of the road.
Clearly one of the legendary Green Trolls that pop up to support any green plan or scheme as always if its anti car lets support it.
The fact is this road was not a bus lane until the T R O (Traffic Regulation Order) was sealed in 2013. Prior to this for many years a Taxi Rank was situated in this position making it imposable to have been a genuine bus lane within the law as the lane would have been obstructed by the taxi Rank. Whilst you are entitled to your view however bigoted it may be at least get your facts right first.
If we are talking about if a driver that missed the poor signage why don’t we go the all the way and prosecute every cyclist that brakes the law to list a few.
1. Unlawfully riding down the southbound Bus Lane from St Peters Place towards North Road.
2. Riding through Red lights.
3. Riding without lights after dusk.
4. Riding the wrong way on one way roads I have even seen it on Lewes Road cycle lanes.
5. Riding on pavements.
6. Stupid helmet lights that dangerously reflect in the rear view mirror affecting a drivers vision.
These are just a few points of the criminality of the majority of cyclists, whilst a few do ride correctly. Perhaps people in glass houses should not throw stones just an outside chance the law will be applied to cyclists one day!
I never do any of those things when I cycle, so looks like you might actually be the more bigoted out of the two of us, no glass house here, what other cyclists do has nothing to do with me. Also, this article isn't about cycling, so why are you listing all of those bigoted misconceptions about "the criminality of the majority of cyclists"?

Another thing, if you look on google street view, it says the image was taken in August 2012 showing the massive words "TAXIS BUSSES ONLY", but you are claiming the road didn't become a bus lane until 2013, doesn't sound like your 'fact' is actually a fact at all.

Also, stop playing the victim, cyclists DO also get fined, you just like to believe they don't to so you've got something to whinge about. To reassure you that cyclists do also get fined for breaking the rules, have a little read of this article about a recent crackdown:

http://www.cyclingwe

ekly.co.
uk/news/latest-news

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[quote][p][bold]Brighton voice[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton voice[/bold] wrote: Brighton voice The Oxford Street Bus Lane is nothing but a cash cow to the incompetent idiots running Brighton & Hove City Council. The signage in Ditchling Road as you travel south is frequently obscured by buses and trucks. the signs at the junction of Oxford Street are less likely to be seen as a driver negotiates the right hand turn from Ditchling Road into Oxford Street with larger vehicles often making a wider sweep at the junction to turn north into Ditchling Road. The required solid white line has only recently been added to indicate a bus lane. Signage on the north side of Oxford Street is frequently obscured by buses and trucks travelling east up Oxford Street and the signs on the south side (by Boots) is at a busy entrance and exit to both a car park and commercial delivery area. Consequently a driver’s attention is most likely to be drawn to safety issues this junction poses. If the issue is viewed logically drivers can lawfully drive into and down Oxford Street to the entrance of the car park at which point the alleged bus lane supposedly starts. On reaching this point and allegedly you can not pass it what are you supposed to do. The car park is not a public road and should not be used for the purpose of turning round to avoid the bus lane. The only option a driver has would be to perform a three point turn very clever on a busy two way road with a high volume of buses in both directions increasing the risk of both accidents and injuries. The signage needs improving including a broken white line at the start of the bus lane and more prominent signage at this point. The camera being used is an old Police camera at the junction of Ditchling Road and Oxford Street (remember when CCTV was introduced and the assurance it would only be used for crime ha-ha). However no signage is displayed to indicate that the lane is camera enforced and it should be. The camera should record both still and video evidence of the alleged offence and my understanding of the law should clearly show the vehicle passing the relevant signs this should be available for viewing by the defendant on demand. In this specific case I would argue this should include the signage as you turn from Ditchling Road into Oxford Street. I would personally take both photographic and video evidence of the approach to Oxford Street and up to the start of the alleged bus lane. As the public are clearly being ripped off perhaps The Argus would like to investigate the law and this bus lane. For anyone that has received a penalty notice for the Oxford Street bus lane in every case always appeal it. Recommended reading to help with this is probably (a) A Code of Practice for Bus Lane Camera Enforcement Using attended CCTV equipment for Approved English Local Authorities outside London. (b) Traffic Signs Manual Regulatory Signs.[/p][/quote]More crazy excuses, what about those massive words written in white capital letters across the middle of the tarmac saying "BUSSES TAXIS ONLY"? On the rare occasion that someone drives down the road and realises their mistake, they should just turn around in the car park and go back the short distance they came from. Why do you think drivers shouldn't turn around in the car park? I'm not aware of any laws saying you can't drive in to a car park and drive straight out again if you want to. Contrary to your take on logic, turning around in the car park would be the best thing to do rather than attempting a 3 point turn in the middle of the road.[/p][/quote]Clearly one of the legendary Green Trolls that pop up to support any green plan or scheme as always if its anti car lets support it. The fact is this road was not a bus lane until the T R O (Traffic Regulation Order) was sealed in 2013. Prior to this for many years a Taxi Rank was situated in this position making it imposable to have been a genuine bus lane within the law as the lane would have been obstructed by the taxi Rank. Whilst you are entitled to your view however bigoted it may be at least get your facts right first. If we are talking about if a driver that missed the poor signage why don’t we go the all the way and prosecute every cyclist that brakes the law to list a few. 1. Unlawfully riding down the southbound Bus Lane from St Peters Place towards North Road. 2. Riding through Red lights. 3. Riding without lights after dusk. 4. Riding the wrong way on one way roads I have even seen it on Lewes Road cycle lanes. 5. Riding on pavements. 6. Stupid helmet lights that dangerously reflect in the rear view mirror affecting a drivers vision. These are just a few points of the criminality of the majority of cyclists, whilst a few do ride correctly. Perhaps people in glass houses should not throw stones just an outside chance the law will be applied to cyclists one day![/p][/quote]I never do any of those things when I cycle, so looks like you might actually be the more bigoted out of the two of us, no glass house here, what other cyclists do has nothing to do with me. Also, this article isn't about cycling, so why are you listing all of those bigoted misconceptions about "the criminality of the majority of cyclists"? Another thing, if you look on google street view, it says the image was taken in August 2012 showing the massive words "TAXIS BUSSES ONLY", but you are claiming the road didn't become a bus lane until 2013, doesn't sound like your 'fact' is actually a fact at all. Also, stop playing the victim, cyclists DO also get fined, you just like to believe they don't to so you've got something to whinge about. To reassure you that cyclists do also get fined for breaking the rules, have a little read of this article about a recent crackdown: http://www.cyclingwe ekly.co. uk/news/latest-news /over-14000-penalise d-by- police-in-london-roa d-safety- operation-19177 Gribbet
  • Score: 0

11:00am Wed 19 Feb 14

thevoiceoftruth says...

I have looked on google street view and I don't think it is very clear at all. Yes, there are words on the road once you reach the bus lane and it's almost too late to do anything about it, but the blue sign on the left is bent and seems slightly angled away from drivers. Also on the approach from Ditchling Road, the only sign I noticed is one directing drivers to the car park. A better idea would be to use a red no entry sign (except buses and cycles) rather than these blue signs. I think the blue signs work if you are on a road which already has a bus lane clearly marked, but if a road suddenly becomes no entry to cars, then the no entry sign should be used.

Also at night, writing on the road is not always clear - especially if it is tipping it down with rain.
I have looked on google street view and I don't think it is very clear at all. Yes, there are words on the road once you reach the bus lane and it's almost too late to do anything about it, but the blue sign on the left is bent and seems slightly angled away from drivers. Also on the approach from Ditchling Road, the only sign I noticed is one directing drivers to the car park. A better idea would be to use a red no entry sign (except buses and cycles) rather than these blue signs. I think the blue signs work if you are on a road which already has a bus lane clearly marked, but if a road suddenly becomes no entry to cars, then the no entry sign should be used. Also at night, writing on the road is not always clear - especially if it is tipping it down with rain. thevoiceoftruth
  • Score: 1

12:09pm Thu 20 Feb 14

taxidiy says...

Not seeing the signs is no excuse, try using that excuse if you get caught speeding, it unlikely to succeed!
Regarding Oxford St, yes it has been a Bus & Taxi lane for a very long time, and yes there was a Taxi rank by Boots but it was after the signs for the bus lane!
Also if you need to get into London Rd why not use Baker St? also anyone going through Oxford St to London Rd and turning left generally go up Cheapside so again why not use Baker St or go down to St Peters Place?
Finally I must say I hate the Greens and things like this do nothing to change my opinion of them, they are only interested in getting as much money out of the motorist as they can and are gradually killing the tourist trade of MY City!!
Not seeing the signs is no excuse, try using that excuse if you get caught speeding, it unlikely to succeed! Regarding Oxford St, yes it has been a Bus & Taxi lane for a very long time, and yes there was a Taxi rank by Boots but it was after the signs for the bus lane! Also if you need to get into London Rd why not use Baker St? also anyone going through Oxford St to London Rd and turning left generally go up Cheapside so again why not use Baker St or go down to St Peters Place? Finally I must say I hate the Greens and things like this do nothing to change my opinion of them, they are only interested in getting as much money out of the motorist as they can and are gradually killing the tourist trade of MY City!! taxidiy
  • Score: 1

5:24pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Brighton voice says...

Gribbet wrote:
Brighton voice wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Brighton voice wrote:
Brighton voice

The Oxford Street Bus Lane is nothing but a cash cow to the incompetent idiots running Brighton & Hove City Council. The signage in Ditchling Road as you travel south is frequently obscured by buses and trucks. the signs at the junction of Oxford Street are less likely to be seen as a driver negotiates the right hand turn from Ditchling Road into Oxford Street with larger vehicles often making a wider sweep at the junction to turn north into Ditchling Road.

The required solid white line has only recently been added to indicate a bus lane. Signage on the north side of Oxford Street is frequently obscured by buses and trucks travelling east up Oxford Street and the signs on the south side (by Boots) is at a busy entrance and exit to both a car park and commercial delivery area. Consequently a driver’s attention is most likely to be drawn to safety issues this junction poses.

If the issue is viewed logically drivers can lawfully drive into and down Oxford Street to the entrance of the car park at which point the alleged bus lane supposedly starts. On reaching this point and allegedly you can not pass it what are you supposed to do. The car park is not a public road and should not be used for the purpose of turning round to avoid the bus lane. The only option a driver has would be to perform a three point turn very clever on a busy two way road with a high volume of buses in both directions increasing the risk of both accidents and injuries.

The signage needs improving including a broken white line at the start of the bus lane and more prominent signage at this point. The camera being used is an old Police camera at the junction of Ditchling Road and Oxford Street (remember when CCTV was introduced and the assurance it would only be used for crime ha-ha). However no signage is displayed to indicate that the lane is camera enforced and it should be. The camera should record both still and video evidence of the alleged offence and my understanding of the law should clearly show the vehicle passing the relevant signs this should be available for viewing by the defendant on demand. In this specific case I would argue this should include the signage as you turn from Ditchling Road into Oxford Street. I would personally take both photographic and video evidence of the approach to Oxford Street and up to the start of the alleged bus lane.

As the public are clearly being ripped off perhaps The Argus would like to investigate the law and this bus lane. For anyone that has received a penalty notice for the Oxford Street bus lane in every case always appeal it. Recommended reading to help with this is probably (a) A Code of Practice for Bus Lane Camera Enforcement Using attended CCTV equipment for Approved English Local Authorities outside London. (b) Traffic Signs Manual Regulatory Signs.
More crazy excuses, what about those massive words written in white capital letters across the middle of the tarmac saying "BUSSES TAXIS ONLY"?

On the rare occasion that someone drives down the road and realises their mistake, they should just turn around in the car park and go back the short distance they came from. Why do you think drivers shouldn't turn around in the car park? I'm not aware of any laws saying you can't drive in to a car park and drive straight out again if you want to. Contrary to your take on logic, turning around in the car park would be the best thing to do rather than attempting a 3 point turn in the middle of the road.
Clearly one of the legendary Green Trolls that pop up to support any green plan or scheme as always if its anti car lets support it.
The fact is this road was not a bus lane until the T R O (Traffic Regulation Order) was sealed in 2013. Prior to this for many years a Taxi Rank was situated in this position making it imposable to have been a genuine bus lane within the law as the lane would have been obstructed by the taxi Rank. Whilst you are entitled to your view however bigoted it may be at least get your facts right first.
If we are talking about if a driver that missed the poor signage why don’t we go the all the way and prosecute every cyclist that brakes the law to list a few.
1. Unlawfully riding down the southbound Bus Lane from St Peters Place towards North Road.
2. Riding through Red lights.
3. Riding without lights after dusk.
4. Riding the wrong way on one way roads I have even seen it on Lewes Road cycle lanes.
5. Riding on pavements.
6. Stupid helmet lights that dangerously reflect in the rear view mirror affecting a drivers vision.
These are just a few points of the criminality of the majority of cyclists, whilst a few do ride correctly. Perhaps people in glass houses should not throw stones just an outside chance the law will be applied to cyclists one day!
I never do any of those things when I cycle, so looks like you might actually be the more bigoted out of the two of us, no glass house here, what other cyclists do has nothing to do with me. Also, this article isn't about cycling, so why are you listing all of those bigoted misconceptions about "the criminality of the majority of cyclists"?

Another thing, if you look on google street view, it says the image was taken in August 2012 showing the massive words "TAXIS BUSSES ONLY", but you are claiming the road didn't become a bus lane until 2013, doesn't sound like your 'fact' is actually a fact at all.

Also, stop playing the victim, cyclists DO also get fined, you just like to believe they don't to so you've got something to whinge about. To reassure you that cyclists do also get fined for breaking the rules, have a little read of this article about a recent crackdown:

http://www.cyclingwe


ekly.co.
uk/news/latest-news

/over-14000-penalise


d-by-
police-in-london-roa


d-safety-
operation-19177
Brighton Voice
Just because words are painted on the road it does not mean it is a legal bus lane. A bus lane is generally the width of a bus as stated a taxi rank was situated on the south side by Boots for many years. This would mean a BUS would have to travel outside of the rank area e.g. middle of the road towards oncoming traffic end of story. With regards to cyclists it is pertinent when cyclists like yourself just berate motorists because you think cycles are the most important. It would be far better if such law abiding cyclists as yourself educated others as to there responsibility. It is also true I am not interested in the odd crackdown but with enforcement of the law 365 days a year and not just a few token days for cyclists. It may also surprise you the views expressed are not bigoted misconceptions about "the criminality of the majority of cyclists but cold hard facts. As indeed from the arrogance of your original comments it was easy to spot the writer was a cyclist and very anti car. As I don’t know you and have not seen you cycling I can not comment as to whether you fully comply to the law as stated but from a road safety point hope you do! If you consider only 20 drivers have been fined for Lewes Road bus lane infringements and compare this to the Oxford Street alleged infringements. It is blatantly clear drivers will comply with the law if signage is correctly located and something is very wrong in this case all drivers fined should appeal in every instance.
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton voice[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton voice[/bold] wrote: Brighton voice The Oxford Street Bus Lane is nothing but a cash cow to the incompetent idiots running Brighton & Hove City Council. The signage in Ditchling Road as you travel south is frequently obscured by buses and trucks. the signs at the junction of Oxford Street are less likely to be seen as a driver negotiates the right hand turn from Ditchling Road into Oxford Street with larger vehicles often making a wider sweep at the junction to turn north into Ditchling Road. The required solid white line has only recently been added to indicate a bus lane. Signage on the north side of Oxford Street is frequently obscured by buses and trucks travelling east up Oxford Street and the signs on the south side (by Boots) is at a busy entrance and exit to both a car park and commercial delivery area. Consequently a driver’s attention is most likely to be drawn to safety issues this junction poses. If the issue is viewed logically drivers can lawfully drive into and down Oxford Street to the entrance of the car park at which point the alleged bus lane supposedly starts. On reaching this point and allegedly you can not pass it what are you supposed to do. The car park is not a public road and should not be used for the purpose of turning round to avoid the bus lane. The only option a driver has would be to perform a three point turn very clever on a busy two way road with a high volume of buses in both directions increasing the risk of both accidents and injuries. The signage needs improving including a broken white line at the start of the bus lane and more prominent signage at this point. The camera being used is an old Police camera at the junction of Ditchling Road and Oxford Street (remember when CCTV was introduced and the assurance it would only be used for crime ha-ha). However no signage is displayed to indicate that the lane is camera enforced and it should be. The camera should record both still and video evidence of the alleged offence and my understanding of the law should clearly show the vehicle passing the relevant signs this should be available for viewing by the defendant on demand. In this specific case I would argue this should include the signage as you turn from Ditchling Road into Oxford Street. I would personally take both photographic and video evidence of the approach to Oxford Street and up to the start of the alleged bus lane. As the public are clearly being ripped off perhaps The Argus would like to investigate the law and this bus lane. For anyone that has received a penalty notice for the Oxford Street bus lane in every case always appeal it. Recommended reading to help with this is probably (a) A Code of Practice for Bus Lane Camera Enforcement Using attended CCTV equipment for Approved English Local Authorities outside London. (b) Traffic Signs Manual Regulatory Signs.[/p][/quote]More crazy excuses, what about those massive words written in white capital letters across the middle of the tarmac saying "BUSSES TAXIS ONLY"? On the rare occasion that someone drives down the road and realises their mistake, they should just turn around in the car park and go back the short distance they came from. Why do you think drivers shouldn't turn around in the car park? I'm not aware of any laws saying you can't drive in to a car park and drive straight out again if you want to. Contrary to your take on logic, turning around in the car park would be the best thing to do rather than attempting a 3 point turn in the middle of the road.[/p][/quote]Clearly one of the legendary Green Trolls that pop up to support any green plan or scheme as always if its anti car lets support it. The fact is this road was not a bus lane until the T R O (Traffic Regulation Order) was sealed in 2013. Prior to this for many years a Taxi Rank was situated in this position making it imposable to have been a genuine bus lane within the law as the lane would have been obstructed by the taxi Rank. Whilst you are entitled to your view however bigoted it may be at least get your facts right first. If we are talking about if a driver that missed the poor signage why don’t we go the all the way and prosecute every cyclist that brakes the law to list a few. 1. Unlawfully riding down the southbound Bus Lane from St Peters Place towards North Road. 2. Riding through Red lights. 3. Riding without lights after dusk. 4. Riding the wrong way on one way roads I have even seen it on Lewes Road cycle lanes. 5. Riding on pavements. 6. Stupid helmet lights that dangerously reflect in the rear view mirror affecting a drivers vision. These are just a few points of the criminality of the majority of cyclists, whilst a few do ride correctly. Perhaps people in glass houses should not throw stones just an outside chance the law will be applied to cyclists one day![/p][/quote]I never do any of those things when I cycle, so looks like you might actually be the more bigoted out of the two of us, no glass house here, what other cyclists do has nothing to do with me. Also, this article isn't about cycling, so why are you listing all of those bigoted misconceptions about "the criminality of the majority of cyclists"? Another thing, if you look on google street view, it says the image was taken in August 2012 showing the massive words "TAXIS BUSSES ONLY", but you are claiming the road didn't become a bus lane until 2013, doesn't sound like your 'fact' is actually a fact at all. Also, stop playing the victim, cyclists DO also get fined, you just like to believe they don't to so you've got something to whinge about. To reassure you that cyclists do also get fined for breaking the rules, have a little read of this article about a recent crackdown: http://www.cyclingwe ekly.co. uk/news/latest-news /over-14000-penalise d-by- police-in-london-roa d-safety- operation-19177[/p][/quote]Brighton Voice Just because words are painted on the road it does not mean it is a legal bus lane. A bus lane is generally the width of a bus as stated a taxi rank was situated on the south side by Boots for many years. This would mean a BUS would have to travel outside of the rank area e.g. middle of the road towards oncoming traffic end of story. With regards to cyclists it is pertinent when cyclists like yourself just berate motorists because you think cycles are the most important. It would be far better if such law abiding cyclists as yourself educated others as to there responsibility. It is also true I am not interested in the odd crackdown but with enforcement of the law 365 days a year and not just a few token days for cyclists. It may also surprise you the views expressed are not bigoted misconceptions about "the criminality of the majority of cyclists but cold hard facts. As indeed from the arrogance of your original comments it was easy to spot the writer was a cyclist and very anti car. As I don’t know you and have not seen you cycling I can not comment as to whether you fully comply to the law as stated but from a road safety point hope you do! If you consider only 20 drivers have been fined for Lewes Road bus lane infringements and compare this to the Oxford Street alleged infringements. It is blatantly clear drivers will comply with the law if signage is correctly located and something is very wrong in this case all drivers fined should appeal in every instance. Brighton voice
  • Score: 7

12:37pm Sun 2 Mar 14

missven says...

Has any one disputed their fine if so what was the outcome?
Has any one disputed their fine if so what was the outcome? missven
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