Flooding closes Brighton mainline - as it happened

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  • No trains running between Brighton and Hassocks.
  • Both Southern and First Capital Connect affected.
  • On Southern a half hourly service will run between Hassocks and Haywards Heath, calling at Burgess Hill and Wivelsfield. Rail replacement buses will run from Brighton to Hassocks.
  • Passengers for London from stations east of Worthing and the east coast should travel via Lewes.
  • Passengers for London from stations west of Worthing should travel via Barnham and the Arun Valley.
  • On FCC two trains per hour northbound from Hassocks towards Bedford. Passengers travelling from Brighton are advised to use Southern services or to seek alternative transport.
  • Two trains per hour southbound from Bedford towards Hassocks.
  • Tell us how you have been affected by using the comments below or emailing peter.truman@theargus.co.uk

9:04am

On that cheery note we will bring this liveblog to a close. Best of luck to those still attempting to travel on the trains today. Check the Argus website for travel updates throughout the day and on your journey home.

And why not tell us your thoughts on today's commute. Was it as bad as all that? Did you get to work quicker than you thought? And should there be a second line so incidents like this do not have such a big impact?

Email news@theargus.co.uk with your thoughts.

9:01am

For those unaware, today's train woes are due to groundwater flooding in Patcham.

The Environment Agency has been monitoring the situation.

As of this morning the water level is 48.14 metres AOD (above ordnance datum).

Southern and Network Rail said yesterday anything above 47m would mean the line would have to close as flooding would damage signalling equipment.

There are pumps in place to try and divert the water but it has been rising over the past fortnight and continues to rise at the moment.

The upshot of all this is that it is unlikely the Brighton mainline will be reopened in the immediate future.

The groundwater level will first have to stop rising - and there is about a four day lag between rainfall and its effect on the water level - and then it needs to drop back below 47m AOD.

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A little more info from that Which? survey to mull over while you're on your journey or finally sitting down at work.

The survey, conducted among 7,415 UK adults in November 2013 showed:

  • 16% of all passengers experienced a delay on their last journey, with this figure rising to 26% for commuters;
  • 21% of commuters said they were likely to have stood on their last journey:
  • 11% said toilets were not in good working order. This rose to 20% for London Midland , 19% for Southeastern and 17% for First Capital Connect (FCC):
  • 11% said they had cause to complain about the last journey they had taken, but 75% did not officially complain. Of those who did complain, more than half (55%) were dissatisfied with how it was handled.

8:44am

Just seen an article today about train passenger satisfaction based on a survey by Which?

Southeastern are bottom of the pile with 40% satisfaction, First Capital Connect have 41% and Southern have 46%. To add context the top operator was Merseyrail with 70%.

I wonder if those results would be the same after today?

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8:36am

A little video I shot at the station bus queues this morning:

8:34am

It's fair to say this is not the only Tweet this morning from irate commuters on other parts of the network wondering why an issue near Brighton is affecting them. Valid question?

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The Argus:

8:13am

Looking like most people have heeded warnings and allowed a lot of extra time for their journeys. Brighton station practically empty now. 

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The next big test will be seeing how many people try and get on the 8.17 service via London. 

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Fair play to the staff at the station this morning. It's cold and spitting but they are greeting grumpy commuters in a friendly and helpful manner. 

7:50am

The Argus:

7:49am

Lots of people heading for the buses. 

The Argus:

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The Argus:

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The Argus:

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The Argus:

7:42am

I am now standing in Brighton station. Quite empty but that's likely to be as there is no train to London on the departures board. 

7:37am

Right, technology willing, this blog is going mobile. If there are no updates for a little while then technology has failed me.

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7:18am

So who is at Hassocks? What is it like there? Are the buses running ok to Brighton?

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7:16am

In among the chaos of those geetting to London, I've just seen the Brighton to Seaford line is also on a reduced service today:

There will be a reduced service in place between Brighton and Seaford. From 09.40 until 16.40, the 40 minutes past each hour service from Brighton to Seaford will not run, and from 10.25 until 17.25, the 25 minutes past each hour service from Seaford to Brighton will be cancelled.

7:15am

Times of trains Brighton trains to London Victoria via Lewes (note there will be extended journey times): 08.17, 08.49 and then every 30 minutes at 19 and 49 minutes past each hour until 21.49, then the last departure to Victoria will depart at 23.05 These trains will call at Lewes, Wivelsfield, Haywards Heath, Three Bridges, Gatwick Airport, East Croydon and Clapham Junction.

7:12am

This one doesn't affect you if you're driving to London but worth knowing if you're trying to get to Brighton from the west:

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Always good to see an optimist in this situation:

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7:05am

It seems the flooding is now having a knock-on affect with the buses:

7:03am

Looking ahead to tonight, the transport manager for Brighton and Hove Albion has said the closure will be in place tonight when the Seagulls play Hull in the FAC Cup.

There will be two trains per hour via Lewes for the game but those heading to or from stations north of Brighton are likely to be affected.

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First photo of Brighton station this morning:

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6:47am

Seeing reports that a rail replacement bus has had a collision in Trafalgar Street in Brighton. Will try and confirm that as soon as possible.

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The roads seem to be clear if you have decided to ditch the train and drive instead but I will keep you updated on that front.

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Passengers for London from stations east of Worthing and the east coast should travel via Lewes.

Passengers for London from stations west of Worthing should travel via Barnham and the Arun Valley.

6:41am

If you are travelling to London today then you have to get a rail replacement bus from Brighton to Hassocks.

There is then a half hourly service from Hassocks to Haywards Heath calling at Burgess Hill and Wivelsfield. You can then change at Haywards Heath for a train to London.

If you are travelling on First Capital Connect then you need to get a rail replacement bus to Hassocks. From there two trains an hour will run to Bedford.

6:35am

Flooding in Patcham has meant there are no trains running between Brighton and Hassocks.

This is affecting both Southern and First Capital Connect services.

6:34am

Welcome to our special live blog bringing you travel updates on this Monday morning.

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9:00am Mon 17 Feb 14

Alan G Skinner says...

This is an outrage! First Capital Connect, Network Rail and Southern should be severely punished for this. This nonsense about extreme weather being responsible doesn't wash with me I'm afraid. I have travelled all over Europe on trains, in countries who have real winters, real extreme weather and yet this does not happen. When you pay more for your ticket and I say ticket and not seat, because that's not guaranteed either, than ANY other European person, you should expect a premium service, an unrivalled service. This "Service" we all get from these companies is no service at all. Fare paying passengers must not except this, they pay too much. If this happened in Europe there would be civil unrest, heads would role, we are far to understanding and or apathetic.
This is an outrage! First Capital Connect, Network Rail and Southern should be severely punished for this. This nonsense about extreme weather being responsible doesn't wash with me I'm afraid. I have travelled all over Europe on trains, in countries who have real winters, real extreme weather and yet this does not happen. When you pay more for your ticket and I say ticket and not seat, because that's not guaranteed either, than ANY other European person, you should expect a premium service, an unrivalled service. This "Service" we all get from these companies is no service at all. Fare paying passengers must not except this, they pay too much. If this happened in Europe there would be civil unrest, heads would role, we are far to understanding and or apathetic. Alan G Skinner

9:23am Mon 17 Feb 14

jamiecong says...

Alan G Skinner wrote:
This is an outrage! First Capital Connect, Network Rail and Southern should be severely punished for this. This nonsense about extreme weather being responsible doesn't wash with me I'm afraid. I have travelled all over Europe on trains, in countries who have real winters, real extreme weather and yet this does not happen. When you pay more for your ticket and I say ticket and not seat, because that's not guaranteed either, than ANY other European person, you should expect a premium service, an unrivalled service. This "Service" we all get from these companies is no service at all. Fare paying passengers must not except this, they pay too much. If this happened in Europe there would be civil unrest, heads would role, we are far to understanding and or apathetic.
"heads would role"

roll, even
[quote][p][bold]Alan G Skinner[/bold] wrote: This is an outrage! First Capital Connect, Network Rail and Southern should be severely punished for this. This nonsense about extreme weather being responsible doesn't wash with me I'm afraid. I have travelled all over Europe on trains, in countries who have real winters, real extreme weather and yet this does not happen. When you pay more for your ticket and I say ticket and not seat, because that's not guaranteed either, than ANY other European person, you should expect a premium service, an unrivalled service. This "Service" we all get from these companies is no service at all. Fare paying passengers must not except this, they pay too much. If this happened in Europe there would be civil unrest, heads would role, we are far to understanding and or apathetic.[/p][/quote]"heads would role" roll, even jamiecong

9:46am Mon 17 Feb 14

Tallywhacker says...

Alan G Skinner wrote:
This is an outrage! First Capital Connect, Network Rail and Southern should be severely punished for this. This nonsense about extreme weather being responsible doesn't wash with me I'm afraid. I have travelled all over Europe on trains, in countries who have real winters, real extreme weather and yet this does not happen. When you pay more for your ticket and I say ticket and not seat, because that's not guaranteed either, than ANY other European person, you should expect a premium service, an unrivalled service. This "Service" we all get from these companies is no service at all. Fare paying passengers must not except this, they pay too much. If this happened in Europe there would be civil unrest, heads would role, we are far to understanding and or apathetic.
Rubbish. Weather hits trains and general travel everywhere not just here. Travelling in summer in Spain doesn't count. Maybe they should guarantee seats, of course there would be a lot fewer people on every journey so the prices would be a lot higher. Or make seated tickets higher in price than standing tickets, with the plus side of getting some exercise every day wrestling some oik out or your paid for seat.
[quote][p][bold]Alan G Skinner[/bold] wrote: This is an outrage! First Capital Connect, Network Rail and Southern should be severely punished for this. This nonsense about extreme weather being responsible doesn't wash with me I'm afraid. I have travelled all over Europe on trains, in countries who have real winters, real extreme weather and yet this does not happen. When you pay more for your ticket and I say ticket and not seat, because that's not guaranteed either, than ANY other European person, you should expect a premium service, an unrivalled service. This "Service" we all get from these companies is no service at all. Fare paying passengers must not except this, they pay too much. If this happened in Europe there would be civil unrest, heads would role, we are far to understanding and or apathetic.[/p][/quote]Rubbish. Weather hits trains and general travel everywhere not just here. Travelling in summer in Spain doesn't count. Maybe they should guarantee seats, of course there would be a lot fewer people on every journey so the prices would be a lot higher. Or make seated tickets higher in price than standing tickets, with the plus side of getting some exercise every day wrestling some oik out or your paid for seat. Tallywhacker

9:47am Mon 17 Feb 14

her professional says...

Alan G Skinner wrote:
This is an outrage! First Capital Connect, Network Rail and Southern should be severely punished for this. This nonsense about extreme weather being responsible doesn't wash with me I'm afraid. I have travelled all over Europe on trains, in countries who have real winters, real extreme weather and yet this does not happen. When you pay more for your ticket and I say ticket and not seat, because that's not guaranteed either, than ANY other European person, you should expect a premium service, an unrivalled service. This "Service" we all get from these companies is no service at all. Fare paying passengers must not except this, they pay too much. If this happened in Europe there would be civil unrest, heads would role, we are far to understanding and or apathetic.
What a load of cobblers. Sorry you've got to get a bus to Hassocks, must be the worst thing that's happened to anybody, ever.
[quote][p][bold]Alan G Skinner[/bold] wrote: This is an outrage! First Capital Connect, Network Rail and Southern should be severely punished for this. This nonsense about extreme weather being responsible doesn't wash with me I'm afraid. I have travelled all over Europe on trains, in countries who have real winters, real extreme weather and yet this does not happen. When you pay more for your ticket and I say ticket and not seat, because that's not guaranteed either, than ANY other European person, you should expect a premium service, an unrivalled service. This "Service" we all get from these companies is no service at all. Fare paying passengers must not except this, they pay too much. If this happened in Europe there would be civil unrest, heads would role, we are far to understanding and or apathetic.[/p][/quote]What a load of cobblers. Sorry you've got to get a bus to Hassocks, must be the worst thing that's happened to anybody, ever. her professional

10:22am Mon 17 Feb 14

ourcoalition says...

Tallywhacker wrote:
Alan G Skinner wrote:
This is an outrage! First Capital Connect, Network Rail and Southern should be severely punished for this. This nonsense about extreme weather being responsible doesn't wash with me I'm afraid. I have travelled all over Europe on trains, in countries who have real winters, real extreme weather and yet this does not happen. When you pay more for your ticket and I say ticket and not seat, because that's not guaranteed either, than ANY other European person, you should expect a premium service, an unrivalled service. This "Service" we all get from these companies is no service at all. Fare paying passengers must not except this, they pay too much. If this happened in Europe there would be civil unrest, heads would role, we are far to understanding and or apathetic.
Rubbish. Weather hits trains and general travel everywhere not just here. Travelling in summer in Spain doesn't count. Maybe they should guarantee seats, of course there would be a lot fewer people on every journey so the prices would be a lot higher. Or make seated tickets higher in price than standing tickets, with the plus side of getting some exercise every day wrestling some oik out or your paid for seat.
Try Italy - guaranteed seats on intercity and all main routes - trains full - rarely cancelled - and lots of them - yet to see anyone standing. Part privatised (not very popular), part public (very reliable).
[quote][p][bold]Tallywhacker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alan G Skinner[/bold] wrote: This is an outrage! First Capital Connect, Network Rail and Southern should be severely punished for this. This nonsense about extreme weather being responsible doesn't wash with me I'm afraid. I have travelled all over Europe on trains, in countries who have real winters, real extreme weather and yet this does not happen. When you pay more for your ticket and I say ticket and not seat, because that's not guaranteed either, than ANY other European person, you should expect a premium service, an unrivalled service. This "Service" we all get from these companies is no service at all. Fare paying passengers must not except this, they pay too much. If this happened in Europe there would be civil unrest, heads would role, we are far to understanding and or apathetic.[/p][/quote]Rubbish. Weather hits trains and general travel everywhere not just here. Travelling in summer in Spain doesn't count. Maybe they should guarantee seats, of course there would be a lot fewer people on every journey so the prices would be a lot higher. Or make seated tickets higher in price than standing tickets, with the plus side of getting some exercise every day wrestling some oik out or your paid for seat.[/p][/quote]Try Italy - guaranteed seats on intercity and all main routes - trains full - rarely cancelled - and lots of them - yet to see anyone standing. Part privatised (not very popular), part public (very reliable). ourcoalition

11:19am Mon 17 Feb 14

Tallywhacker says...

ourcoalition wrote:
Tallywhacker wrote:
Alan G Skinner wrote:
This is an outrage! First Capital Connect, Network Rail and Southern should be severely punished for this. This nonsense about extreme weather being responsible doesn't wash with me I'm afraid. I have travelled all over Europe on trains, in countries who have real winters, real extreme weather and yet this does not happen. When you pay more for your ticket and I say ticket and not seat, because that's not guaranteed either, than ANY other European person, you should expect a premium service, an unrivalled service. This "Service" we all get from these companies is no service at all. Fare paying passengers must not except this, they pay too much. If this happened in Europe there would be civil unrest, heads would role, we are far to understanding and or apathetic.
Rubbish. Weather hits trains and general travel everywhere not just here. Travelling in summer in Spain doesn't count. Maybe they should guarantee seats, of course there would be a lot fewer people on every journey so the prices would be a lot higher. Or make seated tickets higher in price than standing tickets, with the plus side of getting some exercise every day wrestling some oik out or your paid for seat.
Try Italy - guaranteed seats on intercity and all main routes - trains full - rarely cancelled - and lots of them - yet to see anyone standing. Part privatised (not very popular), part public (very reliable).
Nope sorry. Google Italian train puctuality. Same as here. In fact global punctuality anywhere, same problems as here................
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[quote][p][bold]ourcoalition[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tallywhacker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alan G Skinner[/bold] wrote: This is an outrage! First Capital Connect, Network Rail and Southern should be severely punished for this. This nonsense about extreme weather being responsible doesn't wash with me I'm afraid. I have travelled all over Europe on trains, in countries who have real winters, real extreme weather and yet this does not happen. When you pay more for your ticket and I say ticket and not seat, because that's not guaranteed either, than ANY other European person, you should expect a premium service, an unrivalled service. This "Service" we all get from these companies is no service at all. Fare paying passengers must not except this, they pay too much. If this happened in Europe there would be civil unrest, heads would role, we are far to understanding and or apathetic.[/p][/quote]Rubbish. Weather hits trains and general travel everywhere not just here. Travelling in summer in Spain doesn't count. Maybe they should guarantee seats, of course there would be a lot fewer people on every journey so the prices would be a lot higher. Or make seated tickets higher in price than standing tickets, with the plus side of getting some exercise every day wrestling some oik out or your paid for seat.[/p][/quote]Try Italy - guaranteed seats on intercity and all main routes - trains full - rarely cancelled - and lots of them - yet to see anyone standing. Part privatised (not very popular), part public (very reliable).[/p][/quote]Nope sorry. Google Italian train puctuality. Same as here. In fact global punctuality anywhere, same problems as here................ .. http://www.lonelypla net.com/thorntree/th read.jspa?threadID=2 204340 Tallywhacker

4:36pm Mon 17 Feb 14

roystony says...

Kitcat should have invested in the Patcham drainage problem instead of wasting money on ridiculous cycle paths
Kitcat should have invested in the Patcham drainage problem instead of wasting money on ridiculous cycle paths roystony

6:02pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Indigatio says...

ourcoalition wrote:
Tallywhacker wrote:
Alan G Skinner wrote:
This is an outrage! First Capital Connect, Network Rail and Southern should be severely punished for this. This nonsense about extreme weather being responsible doesn't wash with me I'm afraid. I have travelled all over Europe on trains, in countries who have real winters, real extreme weather and yet this does not happen. When you pay more for your ticket and I say ticket and not seat, because that's not guaranteed either, than ANY other European person, you should expect a premium service, an unrivalled service. This "Service" we all get from these companies is no service at all. Fare paying passengers must not except this, they pay too much. If this happened in Europe there would be civil unrest, heads would role, we are far to understanding and or apathetic.
Rubbish. Weather hits trains and general travel everywhere not just here. Travelling in summer in Spain doesn't count. Maybe they should guarantee seats, of course there would be a lot fewer people on every journey so the prices would be a lot higher. Or make seated tickets higher in price than standing tickets, with the plus side of getting some exercise every day wrestling some oik out or your paid for seat.
Try Italy - guaranteed seats on intercity and all main routes - trains full - rarely cancelled - and lots of them - yet to see anyone standing. Part privatised (not very popular), part public (very reliable).
Agree entirely, Traveled from Bologna to Rimini and then Rimini/Bologna/Rome in October. Great service, guaranteed seat, and the fare was way cheaper than the equivalent distances in the UK. Very clean as well.
On intercity, as Brighton to London would be, I don;t believe that they allow standing.
[quote][p][bold]ourcoalition[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tallywhacker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alan G Skinner[/bold] wrote: This is an outrage! First Capital Connect, Network Rail and Southern should be severely punished for this. This nonsense about extreme weather being responsible doesn't wash with me I'm afraid. I have travelled all over Europe on trains, in countries who have real winters, real extreme weather and yet this does not happen. When you pay more for your ticket and I say ticket and not seat, because that's not guaranteed either, than ANY other European person, you should expect a premium service, an unrivalled service. This "Service" we all get from these companies is no service at all. Fare paying passengers must not except this, they pay too much. If this happened in Europe there would be civil unrest, heads would role, we are far to understanding and or apathetic.[/p][/quote]Rubbish. Weather hits trains and general travel everywhere not just here. Travelling in summer in Spain doesn't count. Maybe they should guarantee seats, of course there would be a lot fewer people on every journey so the prices would be a lot higher. Or make seated tickets higher in price than standing tickets, with the plus side of getting some exercise every day wrestling some oik out or your paid for seat.[/p][/quote]Try Italy - guaranteed seats on intercity and all main routes - trains full - rarely cancelled - and lots of them - yet to see anyone standing. Part privatised (not very popular), part public (very reliable).[/p][/quote]Agree entirely, Traveled from Bologna to Rimini and then Rimini/Bologna/Rome in October. Great service, guaranteed seat, and the fare was way cheaper than the equivalent distances in the UK. Very clean as well. On intercity, as Brighton to London would be, I don;t believe that they allow standing. Indigatio

8:33pm Mon 17 Feb 14

aat99 says...

roystony wrote:
Kitcat should have invested in the Patcham drainage problem instead of wasting money on ridiculous cycle paths
Nothing to do with him. Tories and their privatised friends .....
[quote][p][bold]roystony[/bold] wrote: Kitcat should have invested in the Patcham drainage problem instead of wasting money on ridiculous cycle paths[/p][/quote]Nothing to do with him. Tories and their privatised friends ..... aat99

9:55pm Mon 17 Feb 14

HJarrs says...

aat99 wrote:
roystony wrote:
Kitcat should have invested in the Patcham drainage problem instead of wasting money on ridiculous cycle paths
Nothing to do with him. Tories and their privatised friends .....
Patcham flooded badly in 2000, you should be asking why has so little been done in that time, especially as money was once more easily available? Also, a government grant specifically for cycle lanes is not going to available to be used for something else, no matter how worthy. A nonsense argument.

To be fair, I don't think the railways have been too bad. A lot of work seems to have been done since 2000 when the section to Wivlesfield was closed for months, now that really was grim commuting!

Continental railways are good but not perfect. I have been turfed off failed trains, a journey to Bonn curtailed due to wires down south of Koeln, another time a land slip on the Rhine route etc. What some of our continental friends do have is diversionary routes. If BML2 were to be built, we would have had much less disruption.
[quote][p][bold]aat99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roystony[/bold] wrote: Kitcat should have invested in the Patcham drainage problem instead of wasting money on ridiculous cycle paths[/p][/quote]Nothing to do with him. Tories and their privatised friends .....[/p][/quote]Patcham flooded badly in 2000, you should be asking why has so little been done in that time, especially as money was once more easily available? Also, a government grant specifically for cycle lanes is not going to available to be used for something else, no matter how worthy. A nonsense argument. To be fair, I don't think the railways have been too bad. A lot of work seems to have been done since 2000 when the section to Wivlesfield was closed for months, now that really was grim commuting! Continental railways are good but not perfect. I have been turfed off failed trains, a journey to Bonn curtailed due to wires down south of Koeln, another time a land slip on the Rhine route etc. What some of our continental friends do have is diversionary routes. If BML2 were to be built, we would have had much less disruption. HJarrs

10:20pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Withdean-er says...

aat99 wrote:
roystony wrote:
Kitcat should have invested in the Patcham drainage problem instead of wasting money on ridiculous cycle paths
Nothing to do with him. Tories and their privatised friends .....
British Rail - you remember them fondly, of course. It was the same old moaning then, their chairman and senior staff were thought of as incompetent fools, we had leaves on the line and the wrong type of snow.

Perhaps, it's not a party political issue at all - but simply a case of being the oldest railway system in the world, that didn't have the 'advantage' of being bombed to smithereens in WW2 as in France, Germany and Italy, which enabled them a near fresh start in infrastructure, neatly straightened routes, et seq.

Yes, a mass of issues need fixing, but at what £ cost?
[quote][p][bold]aat99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roystony[/bold] wrote: Kitcat should have invested in the Patcham drainage problem instead of wasting money on ridiculous cycle paths[/p][/quote]Nothing to do with him. Tories and their privatised friends .....[/p][/quote]British Rail - you remember them fondly, of course. It was the same old moaning then, their chairman and senior staff were thought of as incompetent fools, we had leaves on the line and the wrong type of snow. Perhaps, it's not a party political issue at all - but simply a case of being the oldest railway system in the world, that didn't have the 'advantage' of being bombed to smithereens in WW2 as in France, Germany and Italy, which enabled them a near fresh start in infrastructure, neatly straightened routes, et seq. Yes, a mass of issues need fixing, but at what £ cost? Withdean-er

9:58am Tue 18 Feb 14

her professional says...

roystony wrote:
Kitcat should have invested in the Patcham drainage problem instead of wasting money on ridiculous cycle paths
Didn't know he ran Southern Water and the Envionment Agency
[quote][p][bold]roystony[/bold] wrote: Kitcat should have invested in the Patcham drainage problem instead of wasting money on ridiculous cycle paths[/p][/quote]Didn't know he ran Southern Water and the Envionment Agency her professional

11:24am Tue 18 Feb 14

Goldenwight says...

Tallywhacker wrote:
ourcoalition wrote:
Tallywhacker wrote:
Alan G Skinner wrote: This is an outrage! First Capital Connect, Network Rail and Southern should be severely punished for this. This nonsense about extreme weather being responsible doesn't wash with me I'm afraid. I have travelled all over Europe on trains, in countries who have real winters, real extreme weather and yet this does not happen. When you pay more for your ticket and I say ticket and not seat, because that's not guaranteed either, than ANY other European person, you should expect a premium service, an unrivalled service. This "Service" we all get from these companies is no service at all. Fare paying passengers must not except this, they pay too much. If this happened in Europe there would be civil unrest, heads would role, we are far to understanding and or apathetic.
Rubbish. Weather hits trains and general travel everywhere not just here. Travelling in summer in Spain doesn't count. Maybe they should guarantee seats, of course there would be a lot fewer people on every journey so the prices would be a lot higher. Or make seated tickets higher in price than standing tickets, with the plus side of getting some exercise every day wrestling some oik out or your paid for seat.
Try Italy - guaranteed seats on intercity and all main routes - trains full - rarely cancelled - and lots of them - yet to see anyone standing. Part privatised (not very popular), part public (very reliable).
Nope sorry. Google Italian train puctuality. Same as here. In fact global punctuality anywhere, same problems as here................ .. http://www.lonelypla net.com/thorntree/th read.jspa?threadID=2 204340
So Mussoline didn't make the trains run on time after all?
[quote][p][bold]Tallywhacker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ourcoalition[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tallywhacker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alan G Skinner[/bold] wrote: This is an outrage! First Capital Connect, Network Rail and Southern should be severely punished for this. This nonsense about extreme weather being responsible doesn't wash with me I'm afraid. I have travelled all over Europe on trains, in countries who have real winters, real extreme weather and yet this does not happen. When you pay more for your ticket and I say ticket and not seat, because that's not guaranteed either, than ANY other European person, you should expect a premium service, an unrivalled service. This "Service" we all get from these companies is no service at all. Fare paying passengers must not except this, they pay too much. If this happened in Europe there would be civil unrest, heads would role, we are far to understanding and or apathetic.[/p][/quote]Rubbish. Weather hits trains and general travel everywhere not just here. Travelling in summer in Spain doesn't count. Maybe they should guarantee seats, of course there would be a lot fewer people on every journey so the prices would be a lot higher. Or make seated tickets higher in price than standing tickets, with the plus side of getting some exercise every day wrestling some oik out or your paid for seat.[/p][/quote]Try Italy - guaranteed seats on intercity and all main routes - trains full - rarely cancelled - and lots of them - yet to see anyone standing. Part privatised (not very popular), part public (very reliable).[/p][/quote]Nope sorry. Google Italian train puctuality. Same as here. In fact global punctuality anywhere, same problems as here................ .. http://www.lonelypla net.com/thorntree/th read.jspa?threadID=2 204340[/p][/quote]So Mussoline didn't make the trains run on time after all? Goldenwight

11:43am Tue 18 Feb 14

henryed07 says...

Alan G Skinner wrote:
This is an outrage! First Capital Connect, Network Rail and Southern should be severely punished for this. This nonsense about extreme weather being responsible doesn't wash with me I'm afraid. I have travelled all over Europe on trains, in countries who have real winters, real extreme weather and yet this does not happen. When you pay more for your ticket and I say ticket and not seat, because that's not guaranteed either, than ANY other European person, you should expect a premium service, an unrivalled service. This "Service" we all get from these companies is no service at all. Fare paying passengers must not except this, they pay too much. If this happened in Europe there would be civil unrest, heads would role, we are far to understanding and or apathetic.
I think you do not know your facts. The Flooding is caused because the normal ground water level is 47 meters higher than normal and it was raising 1-2cm every hour. This was reported on Saturday. The water sounds like to was slowly coming up from the ground, along with rain on top. That's why it flooded.
[quote][p][bold]Alan G Skinner[/bold] wrote: This is an outrage! First Capital Connect, Network Rail and Southern should be severely punished for this. This nonsense about extreme weather being responsible doesn't wash with me I'm afraid. I have travelled all over Europe on trains, in countries who have real winters, real extreme weather and yet this does not happen. When you pay more for your ticket and I say ticket and not seat, because that's not guaranteed either, than ANY other European person, you should expect a premium service, an unrivalled service. This "Service" we all get from these companies is no service at all. Fare paying passengers must not except this, they pay too much. If this happened in Europe there would be civil unrest, heads would role, we are far to understanding and or apathetic.[/p][/quote]I think you do not know your facts. The Flooding is caused because the normal ground water level is 47 meters higher than normal and it was raising 1-2cm every hour. This was reported on Saturday. The water sounds like to was slowly coming up from the ground, along with rain on top. That's why it flooded. henryed07

11:44am Tue 18 Feb 14

henryed07 says...

Alan G Skinner wrote:
This is an outrage! First Capital Connect, Network Rail and Southern should be severely punished for this. This nonsense about extreme weather being responsible doesn't wash with me I'm afraid. I have travelled all over Europe on trains, in countries who have real winters, real extreme weather and yet this does not happen. When you pay more for your ticket and I say ticket and not seat, because that's not guaranteed either, than ANY other European person, you should expect a premium service, an unrivalled service. This "Service" we all get from these companies is no service at all. Fare paying passengers must not except this, they pay too much. If this happened in Europe there would be civil unrest, heads would role, we are far to understanding and or apathetic.
I think you do not know your facts. The Flooding is caused because the normal ground water level is 47 meters higher than normal and it was raising 1-2cm every hour. This was reported on Saturday. The water sounds like to was slowly coming up from the ground, along with rain on top. That's why it flooded.
[quote][p][bold]Alan G Skinner[/bold] wrote: This is an outrage! First Capital Connect, Network Rail and Southern should be severely punished for this. This nonsense about extreme weather being responsible doesn't wash with me I'm afraid. I have travelled all over Europe on trains, in countries who have real winters, real extreme weather and yet this does not happen. When you pay more for your ticket and I say ticket and not seat, because that's not guaranteed either, than ANY other European person, you should expect a premium service, an unrivalled service. This "Service" we all get from these companies is no service at all. Fare paying passengers must not except this, they pay too much. If this happened in Europe there would be civil unrest, heads would role, we are far to understanding and or apathetic.[/p][/quote]I think you do not know your facts. The Flooding is caused because the normal ground water level is 47 meters higher than normal and it was raising 1-2cm every hour. This was reported on Saturday. The water sounds like to was slowly coming up from the ground, along with rain on top. That's why it flooded. henryed07

5:55am Wed 19 Feb 14

terminator 2000 says...

Huge investment in the national railways is long overdue. It is pointless comparing Britain with Europe as they enjoy relatively new infrastructure.
Huge investment in the national railways is long overdue. It is pointless comparing Britain with Europe as they enjoy relatively new infrastructure. terminator 2000

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