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Kitcat faces yet another coup attempt - this time from rebel Brighton and Hove Green councillors

The Argus: Jason Kitcat Jason Kitcat

Rebel councillors in Brighton’s Green Party have launched another mutiny against their embattled leader Jason Kitcat.

A group of disgruntled councillors hope to change the rules on how the leader is elected in an effort to stop Coun Kitcat winning a third term as convenor of the Green Party.

Since 2010 the leader of the Green group has been chosen by an electoral college, with the votes cast by current councillors being given 50% of the weighting and the other 50% from party members.

But rebels are planning to table a motion that would give local party members and councillors one vote each – giving equal say over who becomes the next leader.

Coun Kitcat has been facing intense pressure to resign as council leader, both from within and outside his party, particularly over his decision to press ahead with a referendum to increase council tax by nearly 5%.

Last month the council passed a motion of no confidence in the local Green leader by 29 votes to 20.

This latest action comes a year after a failed bid to oust the leader and has been described by some senior party figures as “extremely destructive”.

Opposition leaders used the moment to call for the minority administration to resign.

“How can the Greens focus on the demanding day-to-day business of running a large city when they are continually pre-occupied with their own party politics?” said Conservative group leader, Geoffrey Theobald.

Labour leader Warren Morgan added: “The Greens should be focused on the big decisions involved in running the city, but yet again they are fighting like rats in a sack on a ship that is rapidly sinking.

“They should all do the decent thing and resign.”

Last year a group of socialist Green councillors, who nicknamed themselves the “watermelons” attempted, and failed, in a bid to convince Phelim MacCafferty – then deputy council leader – to stand against Coun Kitcat in the party’s annual elections, but when he refused they moved to force a vote |to reopen nominations for the leadership.

Coun Kitcat survived that battle, but with the support of just 12 of the 23 Green councillors.

The party’s internal election process is already under way for 2014/15 and it is understood that the rebel motion will be presented at an extraordinary party meeting on February 25.

According to party sources, the motion, which needs two-thirds support, is unlikely to be passed and it is still unclear if the motion could be brought in to change the current election process.

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10:04am Wed 19 Feb 14

allykatz says...

This guy must be rubbish at his job, everyone is trying to get him out all the time. If it was any other job he may start thinking it was time he updated his cv. However Im sure he has more misery up his sleeve for us.

As a successful councillor, any employer in Brighton and Hove would be delighted to be associated with him.
This guy must be rubbish at his job, everyone is trying to get him out all the time. If it was any other job he may start thinking it was time he updated his cv. However Im sure he has more misery up his sleeve for us. As a successful councillor, any employer in Brighton and Hove would be delighted to be associated with him. allykatz
  • Score: 29

10:08am Wed 19 Feb 14

the red head says...

The greens have put a leaflet through my door asking for support for the referendum. Paper... Money... Pleading? It all sounds very puce rather than green. This man has proved a disaster. It will take a long time for the greens to be a credible party in this region again.
The greens have put a leaflet through my door asking for support for the referendum. Paper... Money... Pleading? It all sounds very puce rather than green. This man has proved a disaster. It will take a long time for the greens to be a credible party in this region again. the red head
  • Score: 74

10:10am Wed 19 Feb 14

Richada says...

If this is the way they are continually conducting their own affairs, is it any wonder that the administration of this city is in such a terrible mess?

I wish these people would get to grips with the concept that they have been elected by the citizens of Brighton and Hove to run this city, we want our basic services provided for!

How much is it going to cost us for mediators to come in here (again) and sort out the Green Councillors?

This Green experiment has failed - horribly.
If this is the way they are continually conducting their own affairs, is it any wonder that the administration of this city is in such a terrible mess? I wish these people would get to grips with the concept that they have been elected by the citizens of Brighton and Hove to run this city, we want our basic services provided for! How much is it going to cost us for mediators to come in here (again) and sort out the Green Councillors? This Green experiment has failed - horribly. Richada
  • Score: 69

10:14am Wed 19 Feb 14

ThinkBrighton says...

It's a case of infamy, infamy, you've all got it in fr me
It's a case of infamy, infamy, you've all got it in fr me ThinkBrighton
  • Score: 47

10:16am Wed 19 Feb 14

Richada says...

the red head wrote:
The greens have put a leaflet through my door asking for support for the referendum. Paper... Money... Pleading? It all sounds very puce rather than green. This man has proved a disaster. It will take a long time for the greens to be a credible party in this region again.
......in ANY region I think.

Brighton is the Green Party flagship council - not much of an example for the Green movement to aspire to is it?

The great pity of all of this is that it has actually, seriously, set back the cause of so many important issues, such as recycling and transport.
[quote][p][bold]the red head[/bold] wrote: The greens have put a leaflet through my door asking for support for the referendum. Paper... Money... Pleading? It all sounds very puce rather than green. This man has proved a disaster. It will take a long time for the greens to be a credible party in this region again.[/p][/quote]......in ANY region I think. Brighton is the Green Party flagship council - not much of an example for the Green movement to aspire to is it? The great pity of all of this is that it has actually, seriously, set back the cause of so many important issues, such as recycling and transport. Richada
  • Score: 59

10:18am Wed 19 Feb 14

fred clause says...

Tick tock tick tock time to go Jason its quite clear nobody wants you.
Tick tock tick tock time to go Jason its quite clear nobody wants you. fred clause
  • Score: 56

10:19am Wed 19 Feb 14

Eugenius says...

It's an election, not a coup. Under our constitution an election for the convenorship takes place every year and it's usually contested.
It's an election, not a coup. Under our constitution an election for the convenorship takes place every year and it's usually contested. Eugenius
  • Score: -49

10:24am Wed 19 Feb 14

Martha Gunn says...

The Green Party is a shambles and a disgrace to local government.

But as the perceptive Peter Kyle in Hove observes, we can take no comfort in their chaos because they are doing so much damage to our city.

However did this excresence get imposed on us?
We need to be rid of Lucas and her zealot acolytes just as quickly as possible?
The Green Party is a shambles and a disgrace to local government. But as the perceptive Peter Kyle in Hove observes, we can take no comfort in their chaos because they are doing so much damage to our city. However did this excresence get imposed on us? We need to be rid of Lucas and her zealot acolytes just as quickly as possible? Martha Gunn
  • Score: 67

10:35am Wed 19 Feb 14

Richada says...

Eugenius wrote:
It's an election, not a coup. Under our constitution an election for the convenorship takes place every year and it's usually contested.
Yes, but don't you think it might be better, especially at this time, getting on and doing what the good people of Brighton elected you to do?

The Green party so keen on spin and PR - if this is how it looks once spun, how on earth must it be internally. All this is a total distraction from doing what you have been elected and are paid to do i.e. RUN OUR CITY.

Have you ANY idea how this looks to we council tax payers, not to mention millions of outsiders who look on in horror - or merely laugh at the plight of Brighton & Hove?
[quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: It's an election, not a coup. Under our constitution an election for the convenorship takes place every year and it's usually contested.[/p][/quote]Yes, but don't you think it might be better, especially at this time, getting on and doing what the good people of Brighton elected you to do? The Green party so keen on spin and PR - if this is how it looks once spun, how on earth must it be internally. All this is a total distraction from doing what you have been elected and are paid to do i.e. RUN OUR CITY. Have you ANY idea how this looks to we council tax payers, not to mention millions of outsiders who look on in horror - or merely laugh at the plight of Brighton & Hove? Richada
  • Score: 58

10:50am Wed 19 Feb 14

Eugenius says...

Richada wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
It's an election, not a coup. Under our constitution an election for the convenorship takes place every year and it's usually contested.
Yes, but don't you think it might be better, especially at this time, getting on and doing what the good people of Brighton elected you to do?

The Green party so keen on spin and PR - if this is how it looks once spun, how on earth must it be internally. All this is a total distraction from doing what you have been elected and are paid to do i.e. RUN OUR CITY.

Have you ANY idea how this looks to we council tax payers, not to mention millions of outsiders who look on in horror - or merely laugh at the plight of Brighton & Hove?
It's less of a distraction than you think - grassroots democracy is in our lifeblood and if you disapprove of that then you probably won't feel at home in the Green Party.

I'm amused by the picture you paint of the distress and anxiety our annual internal election is causing residents, personally I credit the voters with a lot more intelligence than that!
[quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: It's an election, not a coup. Under our constitution an election for the convenorship takes place every year and it's usually contested.[/p][/quote]Yes, but don't you think it might be better, especially at this time, getting on and doing what the good people of Brighton elected you to do? The Green party so keen on spin and PR - if this is how it looks once spun, how on earth must it be internally. All this is a total distraction from doing what you have been elected and are paid to do i.e. RUN OUR CITY. Have you ANY idea how this looks to we council tax payers, not to mention millions of outsiders who look on in horror - or merely laugh at the plight of Brighton & Hove?[/p][/quote]It's less of a distraction than you think - grassroots democracy is in our lifeblood and if you disapprove of that then you probably won't feel at home in the Green Party. I'm amused by the picture you paint of the distress and anxiety our annual internal election is causing residents, personally I credit the voters with a lot more intelligence than that! Eugenius
  • Score: -70

10:59am Wed 19 Feb 14

ARMANA says...

This guy wont step down, he will hang on to the bitter end, because he has no honour, this is the type of low-life that you will find in politics, both local & national, the really strange thing is, we vote for them, !!
This guy wont step down, he will hang on to the bitter end, because he has no honour, this is the type of low-life that you will find in politics, both local & national, the really strange thing is, we vote for them, !! ARMANA
  • Score: 68

11:00am Wed 19 Feb 14

pjwilk says...

Brighton Councils have always been rubbish,we are the only city with no proper ice rink for our kids,it was promised over 50 yrs ago.They are a discrace having ruined the city with stupid bus lanes etc.Do something that the people want and pay their taxes for.Greens and global warming is just a money making scam.
Brighton Councils have always been rubbish,we are the only city with no proper ice rink for our kids,it was promised over 50 yrs ago.They are a discrace having ruined the city with stupid bus lanes etc.Do something that the people want and pay their taxes for.Greens and global warming is just a money making scam. pjwilk
  • Score: 19

11:09am Wed 19 Feb 14

J_Brightonandhove says...

Eugenius wrote:
Richada wrote:
Eugenius wrote: It's an election, not a coup. Under our constitution an election for the convenorship takes place every year and it's usually contested.
Yes, but don't you think it might be better, especially at this time, getting on and doing what the good people of Brighton elected you to do? The Green party so keen on spin and PR - if this is how it looks once spun, how on earth must it be internally. All this is a total distraction from doing what you have been elected and are paid to do i.e. RUN OUR CITY. Have you ANY idea how this looks to we council tax payers, not to mention millions of outsiders who look on in horror - or merely laugh at the plight of Brighton & Hove?
It's less of a distraction than you think - grassroots democracy is in our lifeblood and if you disapprove of that then you probably won't feel at home in the Green Party. I'm amused by the picture you paint of the distress and anxiety our annual internal election is causing residents, personally I credit the voters with a lot more intelligence than that!
I'm sorry but you honestly believe numerous coup's to get rid of your leader, a vote of no confidence and wily unpopularity isn't an issue for voters?

Don't try and kid us all by claiming its just another annual internal election. A normal internal election doesn't involve a coup to oust its leader so don't make out this is nothing more than a formality.

I've had enough of the Greens trying to make out we're all stupid and to trust what you're doing is right. Well guess what Eugenius, enjoy your last year in charge. It'll be your last for a VERY long time
[quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: It's an election, not a coup. Under our constitution an election for the convenorship takes place every year and it's usually contested.[/p][/quote]Yes, but don't you think it might be better, especially at this time, getting on and doing what the good people of Brighton elected you to do? The Green party so keen on spin and PR - if this is how it looks once spun, how on earth must it be internally. All this is a total distraction from doing what you have been elected and are paid to do i.e. RUN OUR CITY. Have you ANY idea how this looks to we council tax payers, not to mention millions of outsiders who look on in horror - or merely laugh at the plight of Brighton & Hove?[/p][/quote]It's less of a distraction than you think - grassroots democracy is in our lifeblood and if you disapprove of that then you probably won't feel at home in the Green Party. I'm amused by the picture you paint of the distress and anxiety our annual internal election is causing residents, personally I credit the voters with a lot more intelligence than that![/p][/quote]I'm sorry but you honestly believe numerous coup's to get rid of your leader, a vote of no confidence and wily unpopularity isn't an issue for voters? Don't try and kid us all by claiming its just another annual internal election. A normal internal election doesn't involve a coup to oust its leader so don't make out this is nothing more than a formality. I've had enough of the Greens trying to make out we're all stupid and to trust what you're doing is right. Well guess what Eugenius, enjoy your last year in charge. It'll be your last for a VERY long time J_Brightonandhove
  • Score: 80

11:12am Wed 19 Feb 14

thevoiceoftruth says...

The mediation worked then! Dearie me...
The mediation worked then! Dearie me... thevoiceoftruth
  • Score: 40

11:41am Wed 19 Feb 14

Goldenwight says...

So Kitcat is not only ostracised by the public in general, labour and Conservative Councillors- but now by his own party too.

Is there ANYBODY in the entire place who actually likes him?
So Kitcat is not only ostracised by the public in general, labour and Conservative Councillors- but now by his own party too. Is there ANYBODY in the entire place who actually likes him? Goldenwight
  • Score: 68

11:45am Wed 19 Feb 14

uniteagainstparkingcharges says...

When he does eventually step-down, Kitcat will always be remembered for his failure to act during rubbish-gate.

Similarly to when the rubbish piled high, this Green councillor is a vile stench that just won't go away.

Like some kind of awful lingering **** or, if you will, a turd that won't flush.
When he does eventually step-down, Kitcat will always be remembered for his failure to act during rubbish-gate. Similarly to when the rubbish piled high, this Green councillor is a vile stench that just won't go away. Like some kind of awful lingering **** or, if you will, a turd that won't flush. uniteagainstparkingcharges
  • Score: 54

11:46am Wed 19 Feb 14

her professional says...

Richada wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
It's an election, not a coup. Under our constitution an election for the convenorship takes place every year and it's usually contested.
Yes, but don't you think it might be better, especially at this time, getting on and doing what the good people of Brighton elected you to do?

The Green party so keen on spin and PR - if this is how it looks once spun, how on earth must it be internally. All this is a total distraction from doing what you have been elected and are paid to do i.e. RUN OUR CITY.

Have you ANY idea how this looks to we council tax payers, not to mention millions of outsiders who look on in horror - or merely laugh at the plight of Brighton & Hove?
Yes and of course no other political party has ever had any internal discussion or wrangling in the whole history of Brighton.
Funny how there is massive pressure on our housing stock because people are desperate to move IN to Brighton & Hove (hence sky high property prices),and the local economy is buzzing by comparison with most towns and cities along the coast.
No Council gets everything right, and I can't remember a time when Brighton Council was popular, no matter which party was in control. Local Government has no chance these days anyway, their budgets are cut and their powers taken away. They also tend to be punchbags for the shortcomings of national government ( eg prolonged recession = empty shops and tatty high streets).
[quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: It's an election, not a coup. Under our constitution an election for the convenorship takes place every year and it's usually contested.[/p][/quote]Yes, but don't you think it might be better, especially at this time, getting on and doing what the good people of Brighton elected you to do? The Green party so keen on spin and PR - if this is how it looks once spun, how on earth must it be internally. All this is a total distraction from doing what you have been elected and are paid to do i.e. RUN OUR CITY. Have you ANY idea how this looks to we council tax payers, not to mention millions of outsiders who look on in horror - or merely laugh at the plight of Brighton & Hove?[/p][/quote]Yes and of course no other political party has ever had any internal discussion or wrangling in the whole history of Brighton. Funny how there is massive pressure on our housing stock because people are desperate to move IN to Brighton & Hove (hence sky high property prices),and the local economy is buzzing by comparison with most towns and cities along the coast. No Council gets everything right, and I can't remember a time when Brighton Council was popular, no matter which party was in control. Local Government has no chance these days anyway, their budgets are cut and their powers taken away. They also tend to be punchbags for the shortcomings of national government ( eg prolonged recession = empty shops and tatty high streets). her professional
  • Score: -63

11:49am Wed 19 Feb 14

uniteagainstparkingcharges says...

Interestingly it seems the Argus doesn't like the word f-a-r-t but accepts turd- I'm personally more offended by the former.
Interestingly it seems the Argus doesn't like the word f-a-r-t but accepts turd- I'm personally more offended by the former. uniteagainstparkingcharges
  • Score: 18

11:51am Wed 19 Feb 14

uniteagainstparkingcharges says...

or the latter even
or the latter even uniteagainstparkingcharges
  • Score: 6

11:52am Wed 19 Feb 14

thevoiceoftruth says...

her professional wrote:
Richada wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
It's an election, not a coup. Under our constitution an election for the convenorship takes place every year and it's usually contested.
Yes, but don't you think it might be better, especially at this time, getting on and doing what the good people of Brighton elected you to do?

The Green party so keen on spin and PR - if this is how it looks once spun, how on earth must it be internally. All this is a total distraction from doing what you have been elected and are paid to do i.e. RUN OUR CITY.

Have you ANY idea how this looks to we council tax payers, not to mention millions of outsiders who look on in horror - or merely laugh at the plight of Brighton & Hove?
Yes and of course no other political party has ever had any internal discussion or wrangling in the whole history of Brighton.
Funny how there is massive pressure on our housing stock because people are desperate to move IN to Brighton & Hove (hence sky high property prices),and the local economy is buzzing by comparison with most towns and cities along the coast.
No Council gets everything right, and I can't remember a time when Brighton Council was popular, no matter which party was in control. Local Government has no chance these days anyway, their budgets are cut and their powers taken away. They also tend to be punchbags for the shortcomings of national government ( eg prolonged recession = empty shops and tatty high streets).
When was the last time a party needed to call in the mediators?
I do think the green party are sometimes blamed for everything bar the weather, but they have totally lost the confidence of the majority of the electorate. Their focus has been on national politics and green ideology whereas most people just want their local council to focus on running services to a good standard.
[quote][p][bold]her professional[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: It's an election, not a coup. Under our constitution an election for the convenorship takes place every year and it's usually contested.[/p][/quote]Yes, but don't you think it might be better, especially at this time, getting on and doing what the good people of Brighton elected you to do? The Green party so keen on spin and PR - if this is how it looks once spun, how on earth must it be internally. All this is a total distraction from doing what you have been elected and are paid to do i.e. RUN OUR CITY. Have you ANY idea how this looks to we council tax payers, not to mention millions of outsiders who look on in horror - or merely laugh at the plight of Brighton & Hove?[/p][/quote]Yes and of course no other political party has ever had any internal discussion or wrangling in the whole history of Brighton. Funny how there is massive pressure on our housing stock because people are desperate to move IN to Brighton & Hove (hence sky high property prices),and the local economy is buzzing by comparison with most towns and cities along the coast. No Council gets everything right, and I can't remember a time when Brighton Council was popular, no matter which party was in control. Local Government has no chance these days anyway, their budgets are cut and their powers taken away. They also tend to be punchbags for the shortcomings of national government ( eg prolonged recession = empty shops and tatty high streets).[/p][/quote]When was the last time a party needed to call in the mediators? I do think the green party are sometimes blamed for everything bar the weather, but they have totally lost the confidence of the majority of the electorate. Their focus has been on national politics and green ideology whereas most people just want their local council to focus on running services to a good standard. thevoiceoftruth
  • Score: 46

11:56am Wed 19 Feb 14

BornInBrighton1968 says...

Say what you will about Jason Kitcat, but God help us all if any of the extreme hard-Left Marxists in the Green Party (Alex Phillips, Ben Duncan or Phelim 'Dirty Boy' McCafferty) replace him.

Living in Brighton will be like living in East Germany if any of these Marxists loons replace Kitcat
Say what you will about Jason Kitcat, but God help us all if any of the extreme hard-Left Marxists in the Green Party (Alex Phillips, Ben Duncan or Phelim 'Dirty Boy' McCafferty) replace him. Living in Brighton will be like living in East Germany if any of these Marxists loons replace Kitcat BornInBrighton1968
  • Score: 50

12:00pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Dealing with idiots says...

ThinkBrighton wrote:
It's a case of infamy, infamy, you've all got it in fr me
Et tu Phelim?
[quote][p][bold]ThinkBrighton[/bold] wrote: It's a case of infamy, infamy, you've all got it in fr me[/p][/quote]Et tu Phelim? Dealing with idiots
  • Score: 24

12:12pm Wed 19 Feb 14

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! says...

I don't understand what all the fuss is about. HJ says he is hoping to be top dog after the elections and that the head Kat's nine lives have now gone.
I don't understand what all the fuss is about. HJ says he is hoping to be top dog after the elections and that the head Kat's nine lives have now gone. I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars!
  • Score: 18

12:17pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Richada says...

her professional wrote:
Richada wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
It's an election, not a coup. Under our constitution an election for the convenorship takes place every year and it's usually contested.
Yes, but don't you think it might be better, especially at this time, getting on and doing what the good people of Brighton elected you to do?

The Green party so keen on spin and PR - if this is how it looks once spun, how on earth must it be internally. All this is a total distraction from doing what you have been elected and are paid to do i.e. RUN OUR CITY.

Have you ANY idea how this looks to we council tax payers, not to mention millions of outsiders who look on in horror - or merely laugh at the plight of Brighton & Hove?
Yes and of course no other political party has ever had any internal discussion or wrangling in the whole history of Brighton.
Funny how there is massive pressure on our housing stock because people are desperate to move IN to Brighton & Hove (hence sky high property prices),and the local economy is buzzing by comparison with most towns and cities along the coast.
No Council gets everything right, and I can't remember a time when Brighton Council was popular, no matter which party was in control. Local Government has no chance these days anyway, their budgets are cut and their powers taken away. They also tend to be punchbags for the shortcomings of national government ( eg prolonged recession = empty shops and tatty high streets).
I'm sure that previous administrations have suffered from wrangling and in-fighting, but, rightly or wrongly, many of us expected better of the Greens.

Judging the current administration by the low standards of their predecessors hardly makes them any better does it?

I don't remember a time when my dustbin NEVER got emptied on the correct day - the recycling remained uncollected, never either were the road surfaces in the terrible condition they now are - and that affects ALL of us as we all throw away rubbish, put out recycling (sorry, many people have given up doing that) and use the roads.

Whatever went on in this city in the past, the general services provided by the council were never as poor as they are now.
[quote][p][bold]her professional[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: It's an election, not a coup. Under our constitution an election for the convenorship takes place every year and it's usually contested.[/p][/quote]Yes, but don't you think it might be better, especially at this time, getting on and doing what the good people of Brighton elected you to do? The Green party so keen on spin and PR - if this is how it looks once spun, how on earth must it be internally. All this is a total distraction from doing what you have been elected and are paid to do i.e. RUN OUR CITY. Have you ANY idea how this looks to we council tax payers, not to mention millions of outsiders who look on in horror - or merely laugh at the plight of Brighton & Hove?[/p][/quote]Yes and of course no other political party has ever had any internal discussion or wrangling in the whole history of Brighton. Funny how there is massive pressure on our housing stock because people are desperate to move IN to Brighton & Hove (hence sky high property prices),and the local economy is buzzing by comparison with most towns and cities along the coast. No Council gets everything right, and I can't remember a time when Brighton Council was popular, no matter which party was in control. Local Government has no chance these days anyway, their budgets are cut and their powers taken away. They also tend to be punchbags for the shortcomings of national government ( eg prolonged recession = empty shops and tatty high streets).[/p][/quote]I'm sure that previous administrations have suffered from wrangling and in-fighting, but, rightly or wrongly, many of us expected better of the Greens. Judging the current administration by the low standards of their predecessors hardly makes them any better does it? I don't remember a time when my dustbin NEVER got emptied on the correct day - the recycling remained uncollected, never either were the road surfaces in the terrible condition they now are - and that affects ALL of us as we all throw away rubbish, put out recycling (sorry, many people have given up doing that) and use the roads. Whatever went on in this city in the past, the general services provided by the council were never as poor as they are now. Richada
  • Score: 47

12:28pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Eugenius says...

uniteagainstparkingc
harges
wrote:
When he does eventually step-down, Kitcat will always be remembered for his failure to act during rubbish-gate.

Similarly to when the rubbish piled high, this Green councillor is a vile stench that just won't go away.

Like some kind of awful lingering **** or, if you will, a turd that won't flush.
The single status agreement which was behind the strike deserves to go down as one of the administration's most significant achievements, with equal allowances now paid to all workers, and more workers, especially women, better off as a result. This should have been sorted out in 2009 but Mary Mears fudged the issue in order to end the last bin strike which just stored up more trouble for later. Of course it would have been better if agreement could have been reached without another strike but it would be naive to think this was going to be easy.
[quote][p][bold]uniteagainstparkingc harges[/bold] wrote: When he does eventually step-down, Kitcat will always be remembered for his failure to act during rubbish-gate. Similarly to when the rubbish piled high, this Green councillor is a vile stench that just won't go away. Like some kind of awful lingering **** or, if you will, a turd that won't flush.[/p][/quote]The single status agreement which was behind the strike deserves to go down as one of the administration's most significant achievements, with equal allowances now paid to all workers, and more workers, especially women, better off as a result. This should have been sorted out in 2009 but Mary Mears fudged the issue in order to end the last bin strike which just stored up more trouble for later. Of course it would have been better if agreement could have been reached without another strike but it would be naive to think this was going to be easy. Eugenius
  • Score: -28

12:33pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Valerie Paynter says...

Can't help wondering how many of the comments here are from opportunist Labour/Conservative supporters/party activists capitalising on an opportunity to get in some cheap and easy propaganda. Never know; it might help with next year's elections!

Rank and file party members of all stripes are utterly ignorant of how the council operates and what is required of councillors. You might see a few on a demo outside council buildings, or attending a few meetings but only the big ones. They would be largely incapable of judging who amongst the elected councillors is good for doing what or a major liability.

If the watermelons get too far ahead of themselves they will explode the whole entire Green proposition. The sensibles will not stand again if the irresponsibles take over.

Phelim is a really excellent Chair of Planning. Really valuable. And he could be destroyed if he were diverted into the wild ways of the rebel faction whose irresponsibility beggars belief. Please don't kill his electoral chances next year. In time, this first term cllr is very promising for a leadership role. But not now. He is too much of a hot head when he gets up a head of political steam. That needs to change.

Running the council is by definition largely managerial and Jason is hugely capable in that role and able to deal with all the different council officer honchos in a challenging way. I only criticise his idiot support for i360 and buying into the guff from officers on it. But some senior Tories do too so..... Councillors need to back away entirely from playing at Development.

It is at the manifesto level that the rebels should be concentrating their venom and silliness. Even Cllr Janio (Tory) congratulated them at a recent full council meeting for following their manifesto. Jason Kitcat is doing what the party was elected to do and if the rebels did not get their way when the manifesto was created and the electorate voted on it, I suggest Green Party members give some though to deselection of them or changing the manifesto if you support them.

Grow up and stop blaming Jason for all the Green Party woes. Many others have performed abominably in office as councillors but as people don't go to council meetings proof of the pudding has been ignored/remained invisible.

The Greens per se have not controlled the message. The propagandists have had it all their own way.

Listen up. 20mph is a trend being imposed council, by council, NATIONALLY. Whoever is in power this is a keeper.

Listen up: cycle lanes are a trend being imposed council by council NATIONALLY and it was the Tories that put the hated cycle lande down The Drive and Grand Avenue. Whoever is in power will continue putting them in.

And start to consider more seriously what services can possibly be spared when 40% of the Central Govt Grant to BHCC has been taken away from it by the Coalition. What has Cameron got against this city?
Can't help wondering how many of the comments here are from opportunist Labour/Conservative supporters/party activists capitalising on an opportunity to get in some cheap and easy propaganda. Never know; it might help with next year's elections! Rank and file party members of all stripes are utterly ignorant of how the council operates and what is required of councillors. You might see a few on a demo outside council buildings, or attending a few meetings but only the big ones. They would be largely incapable of judging who amongst the elected councillors is good for doing what or a major liability. If the watermelons get too far ahead of themselves they will explode the whole entire Green proposition. The sensibles will not stand again if the irresponsibles take over. Phelim is a really excellent Chair of Planning. Really valuable. And he could be destroyed if he were diverted into the wild ways of the rebel faction whose irresponsibility beggars belief. Please don't kill his electoral chances next year. In time, this first term cllr is very promising for a leadership role. But not now. He is too much of a hot head when he gets up a head of political steam. That needs to change. Running the council is by definition largely managerial and Jason is hugely capable in that role and able to deal with all the different council officer honchos in a challenging way. I only criticise his idiot support for i360 and buying into the guff from officers on it. But some senior Tories do too so..... Councillors need to back away entirely from playing at Development. It is at the manifesto level that the rebels should be concentrating their venom and silliness. Even Cllr Janio (Tory) congratulated them at a recent full council meeting for following their manifesto. Jason Kitcat is doing what the party was elected to do and if the rebels did not get their way when the manifesto was created and the electorate voted on it, I suggest Green Party members give some though to deselection of them or changing the manifesto if you support them. Grow up and stop blaming Jason for all the Green Party woes. Many others have performed abominably in office as councillors but as people don't go to council meetings proof of the pudding has been ignored/remained invisible. The Greens per se have not controlled the message. The propagandists have had it all their own way. Listen up. 20mph is a trend being imposed council, by council, NATIONALLY. Whoever is in power this is a keeper. Listen up: cycle lanes are a trend being imposed council by council NATIONALLY and it was the Tories that put the hated cycle lande down The Drive and Grand Avenue. Whoever is in power will continue putting them in. And start to consider more seriously what services can possibly be spared when 40% of the Central Govt Grant to BHCC has been taken away from it by the Coalition. What has Cameron got against this city? Valerie Paynter
  • Score: -64

12:38pm Wed 19 Feb 14

J_Brightonandhove says...

Valerie Paynter wrote:
Can't help wondering how many of the comments here are from opportunist Labour/Conservative supporters/party activists capitalising on an opportunity to get in some cheap and easy propaganda. Never know; it might help with next year's elections! Rank and file party members of all stripes are utterly ignorant of how the council operates and what is required of councillors. You might see a few on a demo outside council buildings, or attending a few meetings but only the big ones. They would be largely incapable of judging who amongst the elected councillors is good for doing what or a major liability. If the watermelons get too far ahead of themselves they will explode the whole entire Green proposition. The sensibles will not stand again if the irresponsibles take over. Phelim is a really excellent Chair of Planning. Really valuable. And he could be destroyed if he were diverted into the wild ways of the rebel faction whose irresponsibility beggars belief. Please don't kill his electoral chances next year. In time, this first term cllr is very promising for a leadership role. But not now. He is too much of a hot head when he gets up a head of political steam. That needs to change. Running the council is by definition largely managerial and Jason is hugely capable in that role and able to deal with all the different council officer honchos in a challenging way. I only criticise his idiot support for i360 and buying into the guff from officers on it. But some senior Tories do too so..... Councillors need to back away entirely from playing at Development. It is at the manifesto level that the rebels should be concentrating their venom and silliness. Even Cllr Janio (Tory) congratulated them at a recent full council meeting for following their manifesto. Jason Kitcat is doing what the party was elected to do and if the rebels did not get their way when the manifesto was created and the electorate voted on it, I suggest Green Party members give some though to deselection of them or changing the manifesto if you support them. Grow up and stop blaming Jason for all the Green Party woes. Many others have performed abominably in office as councillors but as people don't go to council meetings proof of the pudding has been ignored/remained invisible. The Greens per se have not controlled the message. The propagandists have had it all their own way. Listen up. 20mph is a trend being imposed council, by council, NATIONALLY. Whoever is in power this is a keeper. Listen up: cycle lanes are a trend being imposed council by council NATIONALLY and it was the Tories that put the hated cycle lande down The Drive and Grand Avenue. Whoever is in power will continue putting them in. And start to consider more seriously what services can possibly be spared when 40% of the Central Govt Grant to BHCC has been taken away from it by the Coalition. What has Cameron got against this city?
No Valerie, we're not labour or conservative members or councillors. We're just normal, BHH residents who are appauled at the way the Council has run this city. Say what you like about things being imposed nationally but both you and I know that 20mph is unenforceable and that cycle lanes are inappropriate at a time when the council need money and have the cheek to ask for a 5% council tax increase.

They consistently refuse to listen to the public, go ahead with ludicrous schemes such as guaranteeing the i360 loan, selling Kings House at a huge undervalue etc and whether you like it or not, have made themselves massively unpopular.

They cannot provide the simple services they were voted in to do. Rather then try and come up with ifs and buts to try and excuse them, do the honourable thing and accept that the damage has been done. Stop trying to save a sinking ship
[quote][p][bold]Valerie Paynter[/bold] wrote: Can't help wondering how many of the comments here are from opportunist Labour/Conservative supporters/party activists capitalising on an opportunity to get in some cheap and easy propaganda. Never know; it might help with next year's elections! Rank and file party members of all stripes are utterly ignorant of how the council operates and what is required of councillors. You might see a few on a demo outside council buildings, or attending a few meetings but only the big ones. They would be largely incapable of judging who amongst the elected councillors is good for doing what or a major liability. If the watermelons get too far ahead of themselves they will explode the whole entire Green proposition. The sensibles will not stand again if the irresponsibles take over. Phelim is a really excellent Chair of Planning. Really valuable. And he could be destroyed if he were diverted into the wild ways of the rebel faction whose irresponsibility beggars belief. Please don't kill his electoral chances next year. In time, this first term cllr is very promising for a leadership role. But not now. He is too much of a hot head when he gets up a head of political steam. That needs to change. Running the council is by definition largely managerial and Jason is hugely capable in that role and able to deal with all the different council officer honchos in a challenging way. I only criticise his idiot support for i360 and buying into the guff from officers on it. But some senior Tories do too so..... Councillors need to back away entirely from playing at Development. It is at the manifesto level that the rebels should be concentrating their venom and silliness. Even Cllr Janio (Tory) congratulated them at a recent full council meeting for following their manifesto. Jason Kitcat is doing what the party was elected to do and if the rebels did not get their way when the manifesto was created and the electorate voted on it, I suggest Green Party members give some though to deselection of them or changing the manifesto if you support them. Grow up and stop blaming Jason for all the Green Party woes. Many others have performed abominably in office as councillors but as people don't go to council meetings proof of the pudding has been ignored/remained invisible. The Greens per se have not controlled the message. The propagandists have had it all their own way. Listen up. 20mph is a trend being imposed council, by council, NATIONALLY. Whoever is in power this is a keeper. Listen up: cycle lanes are a trend being imposed council by council NATIONALLY and it was the Tories that put the hated cycle lande down The Drive and Grand Avenue. Whoever is in power will continue putting them in. And start to consider more seriously what services can possibly be spared when 40% of the Central Govt Grant to BHCC has been taken away from it by the Coalition. What has Cameron got against this city?[/p][/quote]No Valerie, we're not labour or conservative members or councillors. We're just normal, BHH residents who are appauled at the way the Council has run this city. Say what you like about things being imposed nationally but both you and I know that 20mph is unenforceable and that cycle lanes are inappropriate at a time when the council need money and have the cheek to ask for a 5% council tax increase. They consistently refuse to listen to the public, go ahead with ludicrous schemes such as guaranteeing the i360 loan, selling Kings House at a huge undervalue etc and whether you like it or not, have made themselves massively unpopular. They cannot provide the simple services they were voted in to do. Rather then try and come up with ifs and buts to try and excuse them, do the honourable thing and accept that the damage has been done. Stop trying to save a sinking ship J_Brightonandhove
  • Score: 61

12:42pm Wed 19 Feb 14

her professional says...

thevoiceoftruth wrote:
her professional wrote:
Richada wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
It's an election, not a coup. Under our constitution an election for the convenorship takes place every year and it's usually contested.
Yes, but don't you think it might be better, especially at this time, getting on and doing what the good people of Brighton elected you to do?

The Green party so keen on spin and PR - if this is how it looks once spun, how on earth must it be internally. All this is a total distraction from doing what you have been elected and are paid to do i.e. RUN OUR CITY.

Have you ANY idea how this looks to we council tax payers, not to mention millions of outsiders who look on in horror - or merely laugh at the plight of Brighton & Hove?
Yes and of course no other political party has ever had any internal discussion or wrangling in the whole history of Brighton.
Funny how there is massive pressure on our housing stock because people are desperate to move IN to Brighton & Hove (hence sky high property prices),and the local economy is buzzing by comparison with most towns and cities along the coast.
No Council gets everything right, and I can't remember a time when Brighton Council was popular, no matter which party was in control. Local Government has no chance these days anyway, their budgets are cut and their powers taken away. They also tend to be punchbags for the shortcomings of national government ( eg prolonged recession = empty shops and tatty high streets).
When was the last time a party needed to call in the mediators?
I do think the green party are sometimes blamed for everything bar the weather, but they have totally lost the confidence of the majority of the electorate. Their focus has been on national politics and green ideology whereas most people just want their local council to focus on running services to a good standard.
Fair point, but can you remember a time when B & H residents were all happy with bins/street cleaning/development
s and planning etc etc?
Maybe Brighton's problems are too complex for the parochial approach of local councillors? Is it time to call in specialist advice (a la Dutch engineers in Somerset). People with experience in high density living, seasonal/weather -driven fluctuations in demand for services, and not least a lot of heritage architecture and ambience that needs preserving, surrounded by a national park. Oh, and don't forget handling the impact of almost weekly London-Brighton type events on local services. Any volunteers?
[quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]her professional[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: It's an election, not a coup. Under our constitution an election for the convenorship takes place every year and it's usually contested.[/p][/quote]Yes, but don't you think it might be better, especially at this time, getting on and doing what the good people of Brighton elected you to do? The Green party so keen on spin and PR - if this is how it looks once spun, how on earth must it be internally. All this is a total distraction from doing what you have been elected and are paid to do i.e. RUN OUR CITY. Have you ANY idea how this looks to we council tax payers, not to mention millions of outsiders who look on in horror - or merely laugh at the plight of Brighton & Hove?[/p][/quote]Yes and of course no other political party has ever had any internal discussion or wrangling in the whole history of Brighton. Funny how there is massive pressure on our housing stock because people are desperate to move IN to Brighton & Hove (hence sky high property prices),and the local economy is buzzing by comparison with most towns and cities along the coast. No Council gets everything right, and I can't remember a time when Brighton Council was popular, no matter which party was in control. Local Government has no chance these days anyway, their budgets are cut and their powers taken away. They also tend to be punchbags for the shortcomings of national government ( eg prolonged recession = empty shops and tatty high streets).[/p][/quote]When was the last time a party needed to call in the mediators? I do think the green party are sometimes blamed for everything bar the weather, but they have totally lost the confidence of the majority of the electorate. Their focus has been on national politics and green ideology whereas most people just want their local council to focus on running services to a good standard.[/p][/quote]Fair point, but can you remember a time when B & H residents were all happy with bins/street cleaning/development s and planning etc etc? Maybe Brighton's problems are too complex for the parochial approach of local councillors? Is it time to call in specialist advice (a la Dutch engineers in Somerset). People with experience in high density living, seasonal/weather -driven fluctuations in demand for services, and not least a lot of heritage architecture and ambience that needs preserving, surrounded by a national park. Oh, and don't forget handling the impact of almost weekly London-Brighton type events on local services. Any volunteers? her professional
  • Score: -34

1:04pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Just trying to earn a crust says...

Valerie Paynter wrote:
Can't help wondering how many of the comments here are from opportunist Labour/Conservative supporters/party activists capitalising on an opportunity to get in some cheap and easy propaganda. Never know; it might help with next year's elections!

Rank and file party members of all stripes are utterly ignorant of how the council operates and what is required of councillors. You might see a few on a demo outside council buildings, or attending a few meetings but only the big ones. They would be largely incapable of judging who amongst the elected councillors is good for doing what or a major liability.

If the watermelons get too far ahead of themselves they will explode the whole entire Green proposition. The sensibles will not stand again if the irresponsibles take over.

Phelim is a really excellent Chair of Planning. Really valuable. And he could be destroyed if he were diverted into the wild ways of the rebel faction whose irresponsibility beggars belief. Please don't kill his electoral chances next year. In time, this first term cllr is very promising for a leadership role. But not now. He is too much of a hot head when he gets up a head of political steam. That needs to change.

Running the council is by definition largely managerial and Jason is hugely capable in that role and able to deal with all the different council officer honchos in a challenging way. I only criticise his idiot support for i360 and buying into the guff from officers on it. But some senior Tories do too so..... Councillors need to back away entirely from playing at Development.

It is at the manifesto level that the rebels should be concentrating their venom and silliness. Even Cllr Janio (Tory) congratulated them at a recent full council meeting for following their manifesto. Jason Kitcat is doing what the party was elected to do and if the rebels did not get their way when the manifesto was created and the electorate voted on it, I suggest Green Party members give some though to deselection of them or changing the manifesto if you support them.

Grow up and stop blaming Jason for all the Green Party woes. Many others have performed abominably in office as councillors but as people don't go to council meetings proof of the pudding has been ignored/remained invisible.

The Greens per se have not controlled the message. The propagandists have had it all their own way.

Listen up. 20mph is a trend being imposed council, by council, NATIONALLY. Whoever is in power this is a keeper.

Listen up: cycle lanes are a trend being imposed council by council NATIONALLY and it was the Tories that put the hated cycle lande down The Drive and Grand Avenue. Whoever is in power will continue putting them in.

And start to consider more seriously what services can possibly be spared when 40% of the Central Govt Grant to BHCC has been taken away from it by the Coalition. What has Cameron got against this city?
A classic example of someone who is losing the battle (or plot), is them accusing the other commentators of belonging or working for rival factions, and you Valerie have demonstrated it perfectly. Congratulations
[quote][p][bold]Valerie Paynter[/bold] wrote: Can't help wondering how many of the comments here are from opportunist Labour/Conservative supporters/party activists capitalising on an opportunity to get in some cheap and easy propaganda. Never know; it might help with next year's elections! Rank and file party members of all stripes are utterly ignorant of how the council operates and what is required of councillors. You might see a few on a demo outside council buildings, or attending a few meetings but only the big ones. They would be largely incapable of judging who amongst the elected councillors is good for doing what or a major liability. If the watermelons get too far ahead of themselves they will explode the whole entire Green proposition. The sensibles will not stand again if the irresponsibles take over. Phelim is a really excellent Chair of Planning. Really valuable. And he could be destroyed if he were diverted into the wild ways of the rebel faction whose irresponsibility beggars belief. Please don't kill his electoral chances next year. In time, this first term cllr is very promising for a leadership role. But not now. He is too much of a hot head when he gets up a head of political steam. That needs to change. Running the council is by definition largely managerial and Jason is hugely capable in that role and able to deal with all the different council officer honchos in a challenging way. I only criticise his idiot support for i360 and buying into the guff from officers on it. But some senior Tories do too so..... Councillors need to back away entirely from playing at Development. It is at the manifesto level that the rebels should be concentrating their venom and silliness. Even Cllr Janio (Tory) congratulated them at a recent full council meeting for following their manifesto. Jason Kitcat is doing what the party was elected to do and if the rebels did not get their way when the manifesto was created and the electorate voted on it, I suggest Green Party members give some though to deselection of them or changing the manifesto if you support them. Grow up and stop blaming Jason for all the Green Party woes. Many others have performed abominably in office as councillors but as people don't go to council meetings proof of the pudding has been ignored/remained invisible. The Greens per se have not controlled the message. The propagandists have had it all their own way. Listen up. 20mph is a trend being imposed council, by council, NATIONALLY. Whoever is in power this is a keeper. Listen up: cycle lanes are a trend being imposed council by council NATIONALLY and it was the Tories that put the hated cycle lande down The Drive and Grand Avenue. Whoever is in power will continue putting them in. And start to consider more seriously what services can possibly be spared when 40% of the Central Govt Grant to BHCC has been taken away from it by the Coalition. What has Cameron got against this city?[/p][/quote]A classic example of someone who is losing the battle (or plot), is them accusing the other commentators of belonging or working for rival factions, and you Valerie have demonstrated it perfectly. Congratulations Just trying to earn a crust
  • Score: 41

1:29pm Wed 19 Feb 14

JHunty says...

Eugenius wrote:
Richada wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
It's an election, not a coup. Under our constitution an election for the convenorship takes place every year and it's usually contested.
Yes, but don't you think it might be better, especially at this time, getting on and doing what the good people of Brighton elected you to do?

The Green party so keen on spin and PR - if this is how it looks once spun, how on earth must it be internally. All this is a total distraction from doing what you have been elected and are paid to do i.e. RUN OUR CITY.

Have you ANY idea how this looks to we council tax payers, not to mention millions of outsiders who look on in horror - or merely laugh at the plight of Brighton & Hove?
It's less of a distraction than you think - grassroots democracy is in our lifeblood and if you disapprove of that then you probably won't feel at home in the Green Party.

I'm amused by the picture you paint of the distress and anxiety our annual internal election is causing residents, personally I credit the voters with a lot more intelligence than that!
Strange isn't it, when people post criticisms of Jason on here HJARRS arrogantly dismisses them as part of the moanerati , yet when Green Party members voice the same criticisms then it's "grass roots democracy". I think Jason is one of the few sensible greens. It's seems senior members of the greens disagrees with your business as normal explanation Eugenius, calling it "extremely destructive”.
[quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: It's an election, not a coup. Under our constitution an election for the convenorship takes place every year and it's usually contested.[/p][/quote]Yes, but don't you think it might be better, especially at this time, getting on and doing what the good people of Brighton elected you to do? The Green party so keen on spin and PR - if this is how it looks once spun, how on earth must it be internally. All this is a total distraction from doing what you have been elected and are paid to do i.e. RUN OUR CITY. Have you ANY idea how this looks to we council tax payers, not to mention millions of outsiders who look on in horror - or merely laugh at the plight of Brighton & Hove?[/p][/quote]It's less of a distraction than you think - grassroots democracy is in our lifeblood and if you disapprove of that then you probably won't feel at home in the Green Party. I'm amused by the picture you paint of the distress and anxiety our annual internal election is causing residents, personally I credit the voters with a lot more intelligence than that![/p][/quote]Strange isn't it, when people post criticisms of Jason on here HJARRS arrogantly dismisses them as part of the moanerati , yet when Green Party members voice the same criticisms then it's "grass roots democracy". I think Jason is one of the few sensible greens. It's seems senior members of the greens disagrees with your business as normal explanation Eugenius, calling it "extremely destructive”. JHunty
  • Score: 19

1:30pm Wed 19 Feb 14

fredflintstone1 says...

Richada wrote:
her professional wrote:
Richada wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
It's an election, not a coup. Under our constitution an election for the convenorship takes place every year and it's usually contested.
Yes, but don't you think it might be better, especially at this time, getting on and doing what the good people of Brighton elected you to do?

The Green party so keen on spin and PR - if this is how it looks once spun, how on earth must it be internally. All this is a total distraction from doing what you have been elected and are paid to do i.e. RUN OUR CITY.

Have you ANY idea how this looks to we council tax payers, not to mention millions of outsiders who look on in horror - or merely laugh at the plight of Brighton & Hove?
Yes and of course no other political party has ever had any internal discussion or wrangling in the whole history of Brighton.
Funny how there is massive pressure on our housing stock because people are desperate to move IN to Brighton & Hove (hence sky high property prices),and the local economy is buzzing by comparison with most towns and cities along the coast.
No Council gets everything right, and I can't remember a time when Brighton Council was popular, no matter which party was in control. Local Government has no chance these days anyway, their budgets are cut and their powers taken away. They also tend to be punchbags for the shortcomings of national government ( eg prolonged recession = empty shops and tatty high streets).
I'm sure that previous administrations have suffered from wrangling and in-fighting, but, rightly or wrongly, many of us expected better of the Greens.

Judging the current administration by the low standards of their predecessors hardly makes them any better does it?

I don't remember a time when my dustbin NEVER got emptied on the correct day - the recycling remained uncollected, never either were the road surfaces in the terrible condition they now are - and that affects ALL of us as we all throw away rubbish, put out recycling (sorry, many people have given up doing that) and use the roads.

Whatever went on in this city in the past, the general services provided by the council were never as poor as they are now.
Look at how the Greens are now trashing the wide green space alongside the Ditchling Road to put in a massive cycle lane from Woodbourne to Old Boat Corner, quite disconnected to any other, and with a surface that only mountain bikers will use!!

This is inside the national park. Did they carry out a survey before embarking on this latest bout of wildlife destruction? This was one of the best places to see glowworms in the city.

Meanwhile, they can't fill the pot holes in the city's roads, pick up rubbish/recycling on time or even provide street lighting that is fit for purpose. Perhaps instead of getting rid of Jason, they could just rebrand as Bikers R Us, rather than masquerading as green?
[quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]her professional[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: It's an election, not a coup. Under our constitution an election for the convenorship takes place every year and it's usually contested.[/p][/quote]Yes, but don't you think it might be better, especially at this time, getting on and doing what the good people of Brighton elected you to do? The Green party so keen on spin and PR - if this is how it looks once spun, how on earth must it be internally. All this is a total distraction from doing what you have been elected and are paid to do i.e. RUN OUR CITY. Have you ANY idea how this looks to we council tax payers, not to mention millions of outsiders who look on in horror - or merely laugh at the plight of Brighton & Hove?[/p][/quote]Yes and of course no other political party has ever had any internal discussion or wrangling in the whole history of Brighton. Funny how there is massive pressure on our housing stock because people are desperate to move IN to Brighton & Hove (hence sky high property prices),and the local economy is buzzing by comparison with most towns and cities along the coast. No Council gets everything right, and I can't remember a time when Brighton Council was popular, no matter which party was in control. Local Government has no chance these days anyway, their budgets are cut and their powers taken away. They also tend to be punchbags for the shortcomings of national government ( eg prolonged recession = empty shops and tatty high streets).[/p][/quote]I'm sure that previous administrations have suffered from wrangling and in-fighting, but, rightly or wrongly, many of us expected better of the Greens. Judging the current administration by the low standards of their predecessors hardly makes them any better does it? I don't remember a time when my dustbin NEVER got emptied on the correct day - the recycling remained uncollected, never either were the road surfaces in the terrible condition they now are - and that affects ALL of us as we all throw away rubbish, put out recycling (sorry, many people have given up doing that) and use the roads. Whatever went on in this city in the past, the general services provided by the council were never as poor as they are now.[/p][/quote]Look at how the Greens are now trashing the wide green space alongside the Ditchling Road to put in a massive cycle lane from Woodbourne to Old Boat Corner, quite disconnected to any other, and with a surface that only mountain bikers will use!! This is inside the national park. Did they carry out a survey before embarking on this latest bout of wildlife destruction? This was one of the best places to see glowworms in the city. Meanwhile, they can't fill the pot holes in the city's roads, pick up rubbish/recycling on time or even provide street lighting that is fit for purpose. Perhaps instead of getting rid of Jason, they could just rebrand as Bikers R Us, rather than masquerading as green? fredflintstone1
  • Score: 42

1:31pm Wed 19 Feb 14

upsidedowntuctuc says...

Only scraped though by his wifes vote and his own last time would have lost otherwise.
With Follett leaving and moving away to greener pastures and another place to ruin he has even less support.
No matter what happens it is just over 14 months to go and GOOD BYE not only to the hapless Muppet Kitcat and his deputy the inane smiling Davey but to the rest of them as well
Only scraped though by his wifes vote and his own last time would have lost otherwise. With Follett leaving and moving away to greener pastures and another place to ruin he has even less support. No matter what happens it is just over 14 months to go and GOOD BYE not only to the hapless Muppet Kitcat and his deputy the inane smiling Davey but to the rest of them as well upsidedowntuctuc
  • Score: 35

1:52pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Point says...

The Bad news is those wishing to replace him are even worse...
The Bad news is those wishing to replace him are even worse... Point
  • Score: 27

1:57pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Andy R says...

So....correct me if I'm wrong....but what appears to be happening is that some Green Party members want the next Leader to elected on a one-member one vote system, rather than a system where councillors' votes count for more than ordinary members' votes as at present. This is presented as all the work of some disgruntled councillors who want Kitcat out....and are proposing to do this by watering down their own voting power??

My spidey-senses tell me this is a story spun into a nice frothy mix by Warren Morgan (and fair play to him), and the credulous Argus has happily gone along with it.
So....correct me if I'm wrong....but what appears to be happening is that some Green Party members want the next Leader to elected on a one-member one vote system, rather than a system where councillors' votes count for more than ordinary members' votes as at present. This is presented as all the work of some disgruntled councillors who want Kitcat out....and are proposing to do this by watering down their own voting power?? My spidey-senses tell me this is a story spun into a nice frothy mix by Warren Morgan (and fair play to him), and the credulous Argus has happily gone along with it. Andy R
  • Score: -16

1:59pm Wed 19 Feb 14

phillucas says...

Why has everyone got it in for Mr Kitcat? He's got a lovely smile.
Why has everyone got it in for Mr Kitcat? He's got a lovely smile. phillucas
  • Score: -30

1:59pm Wed 19 Feb 14

BornInBrighton1968 says...

Point wrote:
The Bad news is those wishing to replace him are even worse...
Indeed; can you imagine Alex Phillips (who on a number of occasions has admitted both on her blog and on Twitter that she admires Stalin) running Brighton?

With Jason, I think its a case of 'better the devil you know'!
[quote][p][bold]Point[/bold] wrote: The Bad news is those wishing to replace him are even worse...[/p][/quote]Indeed; can you imagine Alex Phillips (who on a number of occasions has admitted both on her blog and on Twitter that she admires Stalin) running Brighton? With Jason, I think its a case of 'better the devil you know'! BornInBrighton1968
  • Score: 1

2:00pm Wed 19 Feb 14

cynic_the says...

fredflintstone1 wrote:
Richada wrote:
her professional wrote:
Richada wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
It's an election, not a coup. Under our constitution an election for the convenorship takes place every year and it's usually contested.
Yes, but don't you think it might be better, especially at this time, getting on and doing what the good people of Brighton elected you to do?

The Green party so keen on spin and PR - if this is how it looks once spun, how on earth must it be internally. All this is a total distraction from doing what you have been elected and are paid to do i.e. RUN OUR CITY.

Have you ANY idea how this looks to we council tax payers, not to mention millions of outsiders who look on in horror - or merely laugh at the plight of Brighton & Hove?
Yes and of course no other political party has ever had any internal discussion or wrangling in the whole history of Brighton.
Funny how there is massive pressure on our housing stock because people are desperate to move IN to Brighton & Hove (hence sky high property prices),and the local economy is buzzing by comparison with most towns and cities along the coast.
No Council gets everything right, and I can't remember a time when Brighton Council was popular, no matter which party was in control. Local Government has no chance these days anyway, their budgets are cut and their powers taken away. They also tend to be punchbags for the shortcomings of national government ( eg prolonged recession = empty shops and tatty high streets).
I'm sure that previous administrations have suffered from wrangling and in-fighting, but, rightly or wrongly, many of us expected better of the Greens.

Judging the current administration by the low standards of their predecessors hardly makes them any better does it?

I don't remember a time when my dustbin NEVER got emptied on the correct day - the recycling remained uncollected, never either were the road surfaces in the terrible condition they now are - and that affects ALL of us as we all throw away rubbish, put out recycling (sorry, many people have given up doing that) and use the roads.

Whatever went on in this city in the past, the general services provided by the council were never as poor as they are now.
Look at how the Greens are now trashing the wide green space alongside the Ditchling Road to put in a massive cycle lane from Woodbourne to Old Boat Corner, quite disconnected to any other, and with a surface that only mountain bikers will use!!

This is inside the national park. Did they carry out a survey before embarking on this latest bout of wildlife destruction? This was one of the best places to see glowworms in the city.

Meanwhile, they can't fill the pot holes in the city's roads, pick up rubbish/recycling on time or even provide street lighting that is fit for purpose. Perhaps instead of getting rid of Jason, they could just rebrand as Bikers R Us, rather than masquerading as green?
Couldn't agree more - what appears to be happening alongside Ditchling Road is an utter disgrace.

Just like the 7 Dials tree, this council will happily see nature destroyed in order to follow their ideology.
[quote][p][bold]fredflintstone1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]her professional[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: It's an election, not a coup. Under our constitution an election for the convenorship takes place every year and it's usually contested.[/p][/quote]Yes, but don't you think it might be better, especially at this time, getting on and doing what the good people of Brighton elected you to do? The Green party so keen on spin and PR - if this is how it looks once spun, how on earth must it be internally. All this is a total distraction from doing what you have been elected and are paid to do i.e. RUN OUR CITY. Have you ANY idea how this looks to we council tax payers, not to mention millions of outsiders who look on in horror - or merely laugh at the plight of Brighton & Hove?[/p][/quote]Yes and of course no other political party has ever had any internal discussion or wrangling in the whole history of Brighton. Funny how there is massive pressure on our housing stock because people are desperate to move IN to Brighton & Hove (hence sky high property prices),and the local economy is buzzing by comparison with most towns and cities along the coast. No Council gets everything right, and I can't remember a time when Brighton Council was popular, no matter which party was in control. Local Government has no chance these days anyway, their budgets are cut and their powers taken away. They also tend to be punchbags for the shortcomings of national government ( eg prolonged recession = empty shops and tatty high streets).[/p][/quote]I'm sure that previous administrations have suffered from wrangling and in-fighting, but, rightly or wrongly, many of us expected better of the Greens. Judging the current administration by the low standards of their predecessors hardly makes them any better does it? I don't remember a time when my dustbin NEVER got emptied on the correct day - the recycling remained uncollected, never either were the road surfaces in the terrible condition they now are - and that affects ALL of us as we all throw away rubbish, put out recycling (sorry, many people have given up doing that) and use the roads. Whatever went on in this city in the past, the general services provided by the council were never as poor as they are now.[/p][/quote]Look at how the Greens are now trashing the wide green space alongside the Ditchling Road to put in a massive cycle lane from Woodbourne to Old Boat Corner, quite disconnected to any other, and with a surface that only mountain bikers will use!! This is inside the national park. Did they carry out a survey before embarking on this latest bout of wildlife destruction? This was one of the best places to see glowworms in the city. Meanwhile, they can't fill the pot holes in the city's roads, pick up rubbish/recycling on time or even provide street lighting that is fit for purpose. Perhaps instead of getting rid of Jason, they could just rebrand as Bikers R Us, rather than masquerading as green?[/p][/quote]Couldn't agree more - what appears to be happening alongside Ditchling Road is an utter disgrace. Just like the 7 Dials tree, this council will happily see nature destroyed in order to follow their ideology. cynic_the
  • Score: 29

2:21pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Mr P Brown says...

Surely the cycle lane/footpath that seems to be growing in Ditchling road, goes completely against government regulations of concreting (tarmac) over grassland.
I don't remember any consultation process about this new cycle track/footpath, I assume as the green council don't take any notice of residents opinion they have decided it's best not to bother asking us.
I don't know what will happen when the cycle path/footpath gets to Old Boat corner, if they don't do something about the junction which has been bad since it was introduced, but impossible since the Lewes Road fiasco
Maybe they should station an ambulance up there in preparation for the inevitable carnage
Surely the cycle lane/footpath that seems to be growing in Ditchling road, goes completely against government regulations of concreting (tarmac) over grassland. I don't remember any consultation process about this new cycle track/footpath, I assume as the green council don't take any notice of residents opinion they have decided it's best not to bother asking us. I don't know what will happen when the cycle path/footpath gets to Old Boat corner, if they don't do something about the junction which has been bad since it was introduced, but impossible since the Lewes Road fiasco Maybe they should station an ambulance up there in preparation for the inevitable carnage Mr P Brown
  • Score: 36

2:30pm Wed 19 Feb 14

JHunty says...

Andy R wrote:
So....correct me if I'm wrong....but what appears to be happening is that some Green Party members want the next Leader to elected on a one-member one vote system, rather than a system where councillors' votes count for more than ordinary members' votes as at present. This is presented as all the work of some disgruntled councillors who want Kitcat out....and are proposing to do this by watering down their own voting power??

My spidey-senses tell me this is a story spun into a nice frothy mix by Warren Morgan (and fair play to him), and the credulous Argus has happily gone along with it.
Then perhaps you should read the story again and see that senior green party members are calling this "extremely destructive" This time use your finger to follow the words as you read them, if no one is around you can make the shapes of the words with your mouth as you read if it helps.

Perhaps its your beloved Caroline who is responsible for the quote, why dont you get on your white horse put your suit of armour on and go and ask her?
[quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: So....correct me if I'm wrong....but what appears to be happening is that some Green Party members want the next Leader to elected on a one-member one vote system, rather than a system where councillors' votes count for more than ordinary members' votes as at present. This is presented as all the work of some disgruntled councillors who want Kitcat out....and are proposing to do this by watering down their own voting power?? My spidey-senses tell me this is a story spun into a nice frothy mix by Warren Morgan (and fair play to him), and the credulous Argus has happily gone along with it.[/p][/quote]Then perhaps you should read the story again and see that senior green party members are calling this "extremely destructive" This time use your finger to follow the words as you read them, if no one is around you can make the shapes of the words with your mouth as you read if it helps. Perhaps its your beloved Caroline who is responsible for the quote, why dont you get on your white horse put your suit of armour on and go and ask her? JHunty
  • Score: 11

2:32pm Wed 19 Feb 14

her professional says...

fredflintstone1 wrote:
Richada wrote:
her professional wrote:
Richada wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
It's an election, not a coup. Under our constitution an election for the convenorship takes place every year and it's usually contested.
Yes, but don't you think it might be better, especially at this time, getting on and doing what the good people of Brighton elected you to do?

The Green party so keen on spin and PR - if this is how it looks once spun, how on earth must it be internally. All this is a total distraction from doing what you have been elected and are paid to do i.e. RUN OUR CITY.

Have you ANY idea how this looks to we council tax payers, not to mention millions of outsiders who look on in horror - or merely laugh at the plight of Brighton & Hove?
Yes and of course no other political party has ever had any internal discussion or wrangling in the whole history of Brighton.
Funny how there is massive pressure on our housing stock because people are desperate to move IN to Brighton & Hove (hence sky high property prices),and the local economy is buzzing by comparison with most towns and cities along the coast.
No Council gets everything right, and I can't remember a time when Brighton Council was popular, no matter which party was in control. Local Government has no chance these days anyway, their budgets are cut and their powers taken away. They also tend to be punchbags for the shortcomings of national government ( eg prolonged recession = empty shops and tatty high streets).
I'm sure that previous administrations have suffered from wrangling and in-fighting, but, rightly or wrongly, many of us expected better of the Greens.

Judging the current administration by the low standards of their predecessors hardly makes them any better does it?

I don't remember a time when my dustbin NEVER got emptied on the correct day - the recycling remained uncollected, never either were the road surfaces in the terrible condition they now are - and that affects ALL of us as we all throw away rubbish, put out recycling (sorry, many people have given up doing that) and use the roads.

Whatever went on in this city in the past, the general services provided by the council were never as poor as they are now.
Look at how the Greens are now trashing the wide green space alongside the Ditchling Road to put in a massive cycle lane from Woodbourne to Old Boat Corner, quite disconnected to any other, and with a surface that only mountain bikers will use!!

This is inside the national park. Did they carry out a survey before embarking on this latest bout of wildlife destruction? This was one of the best places to see glowworms in the city.

Meanwhile, they can't fill the pot holes in the city's roads, pick up rubbish/recycling on time or even provide street lighting that is fit for purpose. Perhaps instead of getting rid of Jason, they could just rebrand as Bikers R Us, rather than masquerading as green?
Blimey, that bike lane could totally spoil the view of the beautiful Brighton by-pass.
[quote][p][bold]fredflintstone1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]her professional[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: It's an election, not a coup. Under our constitution an election for the convenorship takes place every year and it's usually contested.[/p][/quote]Yes, but don't you think it might be better, especially at this time, getting on and doing what the good people of Brighton elected you to do? The Green party so keen on spin and PR - if this is how it looks once spun, how on earth must it be internally. All this is a total distraction from doing what you have been elected and are paid to do i.e. RUN OUR CITY. Have you ANY idea how this looks to we council tax payers, not to mention millions of outsiders who look on in horror - or merely laugh at the plight of Brighton & Hove?[/p][/quote]Yes and of course no other political party has ever had any internal discussion or wrangling in the whole history of Brighton. Funny how there is massive pressure on our housing stock because people are desperate to move IN to Brighton & Hove (hence sky high property prices),and the local economy is buzzing by comparison with most towns and cities along the coast. No Council gets everything right, and I can't remember a time when Brighton Council was popular, no matter which party was in control. Local Government has no chance these days anyway, their budgets are cut and their powers taken away. They also tend to be punchbags for the shortcomings of national government ( eg prolonged recession = empty shops and tatty high streets).[/p][/quote]I'm sure that previous administrations have suffered from wrangling and in-fighting, but, rightly or wrongly, many of us expected better of the Greens. Judging the current administration by the low standards of their predecessors hardly makes them any better does it? I don't remember a time when my dustbin NEVER got emptied on the correct day - the recycling remained uncollected, never either were the road surfaces in the terrible condition they now are - and that affects ALL of us as we all throw away rubbish, put out recycling (sorry, many people have given up doing that) and use the roads. Whatever went on in this city in the past, the general services provided by the council were never as poor as they are now.[/p][/quote]Look at how the Greens are now trashing the wide green space alongside the Ditchling Road to put in a massive cycle lane from Woodbourne to Old Boat Corner, quite disconnected to any other, and with a surface that only mountain bikers will use!! This is inside the national park. Did they carry out a survey before embarking on this latest bout of wildlife destruction? This was one of the best places to see glowworms in the city. Meanwhile, they can't fill the pot holes in the city's roads, pick up rubbish/recycling on time or even provide street lighting that is fit for purpose. Perhaps instead of getting rid of Jason, they could just rebrand as Bikers R Us, rather than masquerading as green?[/p][/quote]Blimey, that bike lane could totally spoil the view of the beautiful Brighton by-pass. her professional
  • Score: -28

2:34pm Wed 19 Feb 14

her professional says...

Just trying to earn a crust wrote:
Valerie Paynter wrote:
Can't help wondering how many of the comments here are from opportunist Labour/Conservative supporters/party activists capitalising on an opportunity to get in some cheap and easy propaganda. Never know; it might help with next year's elections!

Rank and file party members of all stripes are utterly ignorant of how the council operates and what is required of councillors. You might see a few on a demo outside council buildings, or attending a few meetings but only the big ones. They would be largely incapable of judging who amongst the elected councillors is good for doing what or a major liability.

If the watermelons get too far ahead of themselves they will explode the whole entire Green proposition. The sensibles will not stand again if the irresponsibles take over.

Phelim is a really excellent Chair of Planning. Really valuable. And he could be destroyed if he were diverted into the wild ways of the rebel faction whose irresponsibility beggars belief. Please don't kill his electoral chances next year. In time, this first term cllr is very promising for a leadership role. But not now. He is too much of a hot head when he gets up a head of political steam. That needs to change.

Running the council is by definition largely managerial and Jason is hugely capable in that role and able to deal with all the different council officer honchos in a challenging way. I only criticise his idiot support for i360 and buying into the guff from officers on it. But some senior Tories do too so..... Councillors need to back away entirely from playing at Development.

It is at the manifesto level that the rebels should be concentrating their venom and silliness. Even Cllr Janio (Tory) congratulated them at a recent full council meeting for following their manifesto. Jason Kitcat is doing what the party was elected to do and if the rebels did not get their way when the manifesto was created and the electorate voted on it, I suggest Green Party members give some though to deselection of them or changing the manifesto if you support them.

Grow up and stop blaming Jason for all the Green Party woes. Many others have performed abominably in office as councillors but as people don't go to council meetings proof of the pudding has been ignored/remained invisible.

The Greens per se have not controlled the message. The propagandists have had it all their own way.

Listen up. 20mph is a trend being imposed council, by council, NATIONALLY. Whoever is in power this is a keeper.

Listen up: cycle lanes are a trend being imposed council by council NATIONALLY and it was the Tories that put the hated cycle lande down The Drive and Grand Avenue. Whoever is in power will continue putting them in.

And start to consider more seriously what services can possibly be spared when 40% of the Central Govt Grant to BHCC has been taken away from it by the Coalition. What has Cameron got against this city?
A classic example of someone who is losing the battle (or plot), is them accusing the other commentators of belonging or working for rival factions, and you Valerie have demonstrated it perfectly. Congratulations
How about addressing Valerie's arguments instead of resorting to personal abuse.
[quote][p][bold]Just trying to earn a crust[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Valerie Paynter[/bold] wrote: Can't help wondering how many of the comments here are from opportunist Labour/Conservative supporters/party activists capitalising on an opportunity to get in some cheap and easy propaganda. Never know; it might help with next year's elections! Rank and file party members of all stripes are utterly ignorant of how the council operates and what is required of councillors. You might see a few on a demo outside council buildings, or attending a few meetings but only the big ones. They would be largely incapable of judging who amongst the elected councillors is good for doing what or a major liability. If the watermelons get too far ahead of themselves they will explode the whole entire Green proposition. The sensibles will not stand again if the irresponsibles take over. Phelim is a really excellent Chair of Planning. Really valuable. And he could be destroyed if he were diverted into the wild ways of the rebel faction whose irresponsibility beggars belief. Please don't kill his electoral chances next year. In time, this first term cllr is very promising for a leadership role. But not now. He is too much of a hot head when he gets up a head of political steam. That needs to change. Running the council is by definition largely managerial and Jason is hugely capable in that role and able to deal with all the different council officer honchos in a challenging way. I only criticise his idiot support for i360 and buying into the guff from officers on it. But some senior Tories do too so..... Councillors need to back away entirely from playing at Development. It is at the manifesto level that the rebels should be concentrating their venom and silliness. Even Cllr Janio (Tory) congratulated them at a recent full council meeting for following their manifesto. Jason Kitcat is doing what the party was elected to do and if the rebels did not get their way when the manifesto was created and the electorate voted on it, I suggest Green Party members give some though to deselection of them or changing the manifesto if you support them. Grow up and stop blaming Jason for all the Green Party woes. Many others have performed abominably in office as councillors but as people don't go to council meetings proof of the pudding has been ignored/remained invisible. The Greens per se have not controlled the message. The propagandists have had it all their own way. Listen up. 20mph is a trend being imposed council, by council, NATIONALLY. Whoever is in power this is a keeper. Listen up: cycle lanes are a trend being imposed council by council NATIONALLY and it was the Tories that put the hated cycle lande down The Drive and Grand Avenue. Whoever is in power will continue putting them in. And start to consider more seriously what services can possibly be spared when 40% of the Central Govt Grant to BHCC has been taken away from it by the Coalition. What has Cameron got against this city?[/p][/quote]A classic example of someone who is losing the battle (or plot), is them accusing the other commentators of belonging or working for rival factions, and you Valerie have demonstrated it perfectly. Congratulations[/p][/quote]How about addressing Valerie's arguments instead of resorting to personal abuse. her professional
  • Score: -15

2:39pm Wed 19 Feb 14

All 9 of me says...

Eugenius wrote:
Richada wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
It's an election, not a coup. Under our constitution an election for the convenorship takes place every year and it's usually contested.
Yes, but don't you think it might be better, especially at this time, getting on and doing what the good people of Brighton elected you to do?

The Green party so keen on spin and PR - if this is how it looks once spun, how on earth must it be internally. All this is a total distraction from doing what you have been elected and are paid to do i.e. RUN OUR CITY.

Have you ANY idea how this looks to we council tax payers, not to mention millions of outsiders who look on in horror - or merely laugh at the plight of Brighton & Hove?
It's less of a distraction than you think - grassroots democracy is in our lifeblood and if you disapprove of that then you probably won't feel at home in the Green Party.

I'm amused by the picture you paint of the distress and anxiety our annual internal election is causing residents, personally I credit the voters with a lot more intelligence than that!
If you credited the voters with any intelligence there wouldn't be any Green party members left at Kings House.
[quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: It's an election, not a coup. Under our constitution an election for the convenorship takes place every year and it's usually contested.[/p][/quote]Yes, but don't you think it might be better, especially at this time, getting on and doing what the good people of Brighton elected you to do? The Green party so keen on spin and PR - if this is how it looks once spun, how on earth must it be internally. All this is a total distraction from doing what you have been elected and are paid to do i.e. RUN OUR CITY. Have you ANY idea how this looks to we council tax payers, not to mention millions of outsiders who look on in horror - or merely laugh at the plight of Brighton & Hove?[/p][/quote]It's less of a distraction than you think - grassroots democracy is in our lifeblood and if you disapprove of that then you probably won't feel at home in the Green Party. I'm amused by the picture you paint of the distress and anxiety our annual internal election is causing residents, personally I credit the voters with a lot more intelligence than that![/p][/quote]If you credited the voters with any intelligence there wouldn't be any Green party members left at Kings House. All 9 of me
  • Score: 18

2:49pm Wed 19 Feb 14

insolito says...

Hang on a minute.

In what world is it acceptable for a local newspaper to report on a local authority Group's internal discussions and include three paragraphs of quotes from its opponents and not one single one from the Group itself?

What is going on, Argus? Please someone come down here and explain how this shocking oversight can have passed through three stages of editing.
Hang on a minute. In what world is it acceptable for a local newspaper to report on a local authority Group's internal discussions and include three paragraphs of quotes from its opponents and not one single one from the Group itself? What is going on, Argus? Please someone come down here and explain how this shocking oversight can have passed through three stages of editing. insolito
  • Score: -22

3:21pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Andy R says...

JHunty wrote:
Andy R wrote:
So....correct me if I'm wrong....but what appears to be happening is that some Green Party members want the next Leader to elected on a one-member one vote system, rather than a system where councillors' votes count for more than ordinary members' votes as at present. This is presented as all the work of some disgruntled councillors who want Kitcat out....and are proposing to do this by watering down their own voting power??

My spidey-senses tell me this is a story spun into a nice frothy mix by Warren Morgan (and fair play to him), and the credulous Argus has happily gone along with it.
Then perhaps you should read the story again and see that senior green party members are calling this "extremely destructive" This time use your finger to follow the words as you read them, if no one is around you can make the shapes of the words with your mouth as you read if it helps.

Perhaps its your beloved Caroline who is responsible for the quote, why dont you get on your white horse put your suit of armour on and go and ask her?
I had no idea you set such store by the pronouncements of senior Green Party members - who are, of course, the very people you would expect to be very unhappy about a proposal to put more power into the hands of rank-and-file members.

This is subtle stuff; are you sure you're going to be able to keep up....?
[quote][p][bold]JHunty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: So....correct me if I'm wrong....but what appears to be happening is that some Green Party members want the next Leader to elected on a one-member one vote system, rather than a system where councillors' votes count for more than ordinary members' votes as at present. This is presented as all the work of some disgruntled councillors who want Kitcat out....and are proposing to do this by watering down their own voting power?? My spidey-senses tell me this is a story spun into a nice frothy mix by Warren Morgan (and fair play to him), and the credulous Argus has happily gone along with it.[/p][/quote]Then perhaps you should read the story again and see that senior green party members are calling this "extremely destructive" This time use your finger to follow the words as you read them, if no one is around you can make the shapes of the words with your mouth as you read if it helps. Perhaps its your beloved Caroline who is responsible for the quote, why dont you get on your white horse put your suit of armour on and go and ask her?[/p][/quote]I had no idea you set such store by the pronouncements of senior Green Party members - who are, of course, the very people you would expect to be very unhappy about a proposal to put more power into the hands of rank-and-file members. This is subtle stuff; are you sure you're going to be able to keep up....? Andy R
  • Score: -11

3:29pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Richada says...

Valerie Paynter wrote:
Can't help wondering how many of the comments here are from opportunist Labour/Conservative supporters/party activists capitalising on an opportunity to get in some cheap and easy propaganda. Never know; it might help with next year's elections!

Rank and file party members of all stripes are utterly ignorant of how the council operates and what is required of councillors. You might see a few on a demo outside council buildings, or attending a few meetings but only the big ones. They would be largely incapable of judging who amongst the elected councillors is good for doing what or a major liability.

If the watermelons get too far ahead of themselves they will explode the whole entire Green proposition. The sensibles will not stand again if the irresponsibles take over.

Phelim is a really excellent Chair of Planning. Really valuable. And he could be destroyed if he were diverted into the wild ways of the rebel faction whose irresponsibility beggars belief. Please don't kill his electoral chances next year. In time, this first term cllr is very promising for a leadership role. But not now. He is too much of a hot head when he gets up a head of political steam. That needs to change.

Running the council is by definition largely managerial and Jason is hugely capable in that role and able to deal with all the different council officer honchos in a challenging way. I only criticise his idiot support for i360 and buying into the guff from officers on it. But some senior Tories do too so..... Councillors need to back away entirely from playing at Development.

It is at the manifesto level that the rebels should be concentrating their venom and silliness. Even Cllr Janio (Tory) congratulated them at a recent full council meeting for following their manifesto. Jason Kitcat is doing what the party was elected to do and if the rebels did not get their way when the manifesto was created and the electorate voted on it, I suggest Green Party members give some though to deselection of them or changing the manifesto if you support them.

Grow up and stop blaming Jason for all the Green Party woes. Many others have performed abominably in office as councillors but as people don't go to council meetings proof of the pudding has been ignored/remained invisible.

The Greens per se have not controlled the message. The propagandists have had it all their own way.

Listen up. 20mph is a trend being imposed council, by council, NATIONALLY. Whoever is in power this is a keeper.

Listen up: cycle lanes are a trend being imposed council by council NATIONALLY and it was the Tories that put the hated cycle lande down The Drive and Grand Avenue. Whoever is in power will continue putting them in.

And start to consider more seriously what services can possibly be spared when 40% of the Central Govt Grant to BHCC has been taken away from it by the Coalition. What has Cameron got against this city?
Possibly he has the same "against this city" as the majority of we residents have against its administration - that it is a shambles.

As for "opportunist Labour/Conservative supporters/party activists capitalising on an opportunity to get in some cheap and easy propaganda" - well yes, maybe there are those amongst us myself included who capitalise on the chaos - hopefully in order to see things improve and as soon as possible at that!

Without giving us the cheap propaganda, we moanerati would be quite happily out of business.

Like another commentator here, I am not a party member - I have no political allegiances and am merely a council tax and business rate payer who would like to see better value for money from a monopoly service provider.

I would not dare to make assumptions about your own relationship with the Green party or the administration, but sadly you fail to grasp, as they do themselves, just how unpopular they have made themselves with the great majority of those who live here - including very many who originally voted for them.
[quote][p][bold]Valerie Paynter[/bold] wrote: Can't help wondering how many of the comments here are from opportunist Labour/Conservative supporters/party activists capitalising on an opportunity to get in some cheap and easy propaganda. Never know; it might help with next year's elections! Rank and file party members of all stripes are utterly ignorant of how the council operates and what is required of councillors. You might see a few on a demo outside council buildings, or attending a few meetings but only the big ones. They would be largely incapable of judging who amongst the elected councillors is good for doing what or a major liability. If the watermelons get too far ahead of themselves they will explode the whole entire Green proposition. The sensibles will not stand again if the irresponsibles take over. Phelim is a really excellent Chair of Planning. Really valuable. And he could be destroyed if he were diverted into the wild ways of the rebel faction whose irresponsibility beggars belief. Please don't kill his electoral chances next year. In time, this first term cllr is very promising for a leadership role. But not now. He is too much of a hot head when he gets up a head of political steam. That needs to change. Running the council is by definition largely managerial and Jason is hugely capable in that role and able to deal with all the different council officer honchos in a challenging way. I only criticise his idiot support for i360 and buying into the guff from officers on it. But some senior Tories do too so..... Councillors need to back away entirely from playing at Development. It is at the manifesto level that the rebels should be concentrating their venom and silliness. Even Cllr Janio (Tory) congratulated them at a recent full council meeting for following their manifesto. Jason Kitcat is doing what the party was elected to do and if the rebels did not get their way when the manifesto was created and the electorate voted on it, I suggest Green Party members give some though to deselection of them or changing the manifesto if you support them. Grow up and stop blaming Jason for all the Green Party woes. Many others have performed abominably in office as councillors but as people don't go to council meetings proof of the pudding has been ignored/remained invisible. The Greens per se have not controlled the message. The propagandists have had it all their own way. Listen up. 20mph is a trend being imposed council, by council, NATIONALLY. Whoever is in power this is a keeper. Listen up: cycle lanes are a trend being imposed council by council NATIONALLY and it was the Tories that put the hated cycle lande down The Drive and Grand Avenue. Whoever is in power will continue putting them in. And start to consider more seriously what services can possibly be spared when 40% of the Central Govt Grant to BHCC has been taken away from it by the Coalition. What has Cameron got against this city?[/p][/quote]Possibly he has the same "against this city" as the majority of we residents have against its administration - that it is a shambles. As for "opportunist Labour/Conservative supporters/party activists capitalising on an opportunity to get in some cheap and easy propaganda" - well yes, maybe there are those amongst us myself included who capitalise on the chaos - hopefully in order to see things improve and as soon as possible at that! Without giving us the cheap propaganda, we moanerati would be quite happily out of business. Like another commentator here, I am not a party member - I have no political allegiances and am merely a council tax and business rate payer who would like to see better value for money from a monopoly service provider. I would not dare to make assumptions about your own relationship with the Green party or the administration, but sadly you fail to grasp, as they do themselves, just how unpopular they have made themselves with the great majority of those who live here - including very many who originally voted for them. Richada
  • Score: 27

3:40pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Bill in Hanover says...

the red head wrote:
The greens have put a leaflet through my door asking for support for the referendum. Paper... Money... Pleading? It all sounds very puce rather than green. This man has proved a disaster. It will take a long time for the greens to be a credible party in this region again.
I had a couple of leaflets from them, one the day after the Elm Grove & Hanover Councillor resigned and the other, more recently, from Caroline Lucas, they were both addressed to me personally and as I've never voted Green and disagree with them on virtually every subject I resent them being allowed to trawl through the electoral register to get my name.
[quote][p][bold]the red head[/bold] wrote: The greens have put a leaflet through my door asking for support for the referendum. Paper... Money... Pleading? It all sounds very puce rather than green. This man has proved a disaster. It will take a long time for the greens to be a credible party in this region again.[/p][/quote]I had a couple of leaflets from them, one the day after the Elm Grove & Hanover Councillor resigned and the other, more recently, from Caroline Lucas, they were both addressed to me personally and as I've never voted Green and disagree with them on virtually every subject I resent them being allowed to trawl through the electoral register to get my name. Bill in Hanover
  • Score: 22

3:45pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Bill in Hanover says...

pjwilk wrote:
Brighton Councils have always been rubbish,we are the only city with no proper ice rink for our kids,it was promised over 50 yrs ago.They are a discrace having ruined the city with stupid bus lanes etc.Do something that the people want and pay their taxes for.Greens and global warming is just a money making scam.
Liverpool has been a City for far longer than Brighton, is much bigger yet has no permanent ice rink. I doubt that an election will be won or lost over an ice rink that would be used by a tiny minority of the residents.
[quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: Brighton Councils have always been rubbish,we are the only city with no proper ice rink for our kids,it was promised over 50 yrs ago.They are a discrace having ruined the city with stupid bus lanes etc.Do something that the people want and pay their taxes for.Greens and global warming is just a money making scam.[/p][/quote]Liverpool has been a City for far longer than Brighton, is much bigger yet has no permanent ice rink. I doubt that an election will be won or lost over an ice rink that would be used by a tiny minority of the residents. Bill in Hanover
  • Score: 4

3:50pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Richada says...

Eugenius wrote:
Richada wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
It's an election, not a coup. Under our constitution an election for the convenorship takes place every year and it's usually contested.
Yes, but don't you think it might be better, especially at this time, getting on and doing what the good people of Brighton elected you to do?

The Green party so keen on spin and PR - if this is how it looks once spun, how on earth must it be internally. All this is a total distraction from doing what you have been elected and are paid to do i.e. RUN OUR CITY.

Have you ANY idea how this looks to we council tax payers, not to mention millions of outsiders who look on in horror - or merely laugh at the plight of Brighton & Hove?
It's less of a distraction than you think - grassroots democracy is in our lifeblood and if you disapprove of that then you probably won't feel at home in the Green Party.

I'm amused by the picture you paint of the distress and anxiety our annual internal election is causing residents, personally I credit the voters with a lot more intelligence than that!
THAT just proves the contempt in which you hold us!
[quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: It's an election, not a coup. Under our constitution an election for the convenorship takes place every year and it's usually contested.[/p][/quote]Yes, but don't you think it might be better, especially at this time, getting on and doing what the good people of Brighton elected you to do? The Green party so keen on spin and PR - if this is how it looks once spun, how on earth must it be internally. All this is a total distraction from doing what you have been elected and are paid to do i.e. RUN OUR CITY. Have you ANY idea how this looks to we council tax payers, not to mention millions of outsiders who look on in horror - or merely laugh at the plight of Brighton & Hove?[/p][/quote]It's less of a distraction than you think - grassroots democracy is in our lifeblood and if you disapprove of that then you probably won't feel at home in the Green Party. I'm amused by the picture you paint of the distress and anxiety our annual internal election is causing residents, personally I credit the voters with a lot more intelligence than that![/p][/quote]THAT just proves the contempt in which you hold us! Richada
  • Score: 22

3:52pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Andy R says...

Bill in Hanover wrote:
the red head wrote:
The greens have put a leaflet through my door asking for support for the referendum. Paper... Money... Pleading? It all sounds very puce rather than green. This man has proved a disaster. It will take a long time for the greens to be a credible party in this region again.
I had a couple of leaflets from them, one the day after the Elm Grove & Hanover Councillor resigned and the other, more recently, from Caroline Lucas, they were both addressed to me personally and as I've never voted Green and disagree with them on virtually every subject I resent them being allowed to trawl through the electoral register to get my name.
Anyone can trawl through the electoral register to get your name. It's a public document.
[quote][p][bold]Bill in Hanover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the red head[/bold] wrote: The greens have put a leaflet through my door asking for support for the referendum. Paper... Money... Pleading? It all sounds very puce rather than green. This man has proved a disaster. It will take a long time for the greens to be a credible party in this region again.[/p][/quote]I had a couple of leaflets from them, one the day after the Elm Grove & Hanover Councillor resigned and the other, more recently, from Caroline Lucas, they were both addressed to me personally and as I've never voted Green and disagree with them on virtually every subject I resent them being allowed to trawl through the electoral register to get my name.[/p][/quote]Anyone can trawl through the electoral register to get your name. It's a public document. Andy R
  • Score: -7

4:34pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Mr P Brown says...

her professional wrote:
Just trying to earn a crust wrote:
Valerie Paynter wrote:
Can't help wondering how many of the comments here are from opportunist Labour/Conservative supporters/party activists capitalising on an opportunity to get in some cheap and easy propaganda. Never know; it might help with next year's elections!

Rank and file party members of all stripes are utterly ignorant of how the council operates and what is required of councillors. You might see a few on a demo outside council buildings, or attending a few meetings but only the big ones. They would be largely incapable of judging who amongst the elected councillors is good for doing what or a major liability.

If the watermelons get too far ahead of themselves they will explode the whole entire Green proposition. The sensibles will not stand again if the irresponsibles take over.

Phelim is a really excellent Chair of Planning. Really valuable. And he could be destroyed if he were diverted into the wild ways of the rebel faction whose irresponsibility beggars belief. Please don't kill his electoral chances next year. In time, this first term cllr is very promising for a leadership role. But not now. He is too much of a hot head when he gets up a head of political steam. That needs to change.

Running the council is by definition largely managerial and Jason is hugely capable in that role and able to deal with all the different council officer honchos in a challenging way. I only criticise his idiot support for i360 and buying into the guff from officers on it. But some senior Tories do too so..... Councillors need to back away entirely from playing at Development.

It is at the manifesto level that the rebels should be concentrating their venom and silliness. Even Cllr Janio (Tory) congratulated them at a recent full council meeting for following their manifesto. Jason Kitcat is doing what the party was elected to do and if the rebels did not get their way when the manifesto was created and the electorate voted on it, I suggest Green Party members give some though to deselection of them or changing the manifesto if you support them.

Grow up and stop blaming Jason for all the Green Party woes. Many others have performed abominably in office as councillors but as people don't go to council meetings proof of the pudding has been ignored/remained invisible.

The Greens per se have not controlled the message. The propagandists have had it all their own way.

Listen up. 20mph is a trend being imposed council, by council, NATIONALLY. Whoever is in power this is a keeper.

Listen up: cycle lanes are a trend being imposed council by council NATIONALLY and it was the Tories that put the hated cycle lande down The Drive and Grand Avenue. Whoever is in power will continue putting them in.

And start to consider more seriously what services can possibly be spared when 40% of the Central Govt Grant to BHCC has been taken away from it by the Coalition. What has Cameron got against this city?
A classic example of someone who is losing the battle (or plot), is them accusing the other commentators of belonging or working for rival factions, and you Valerie have demonstrated it perfectly. Congratulations
How about addressing Valerie's arguments instead of resorting to personal abuse.
Accusing people who don't agree with her 'Labour/Conservative supporters/party activists' isn't personal abuse? I'm with Just trying to earn a crust in this one.
[quote][p][bold]her professional[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Just trying to earn a crust[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Valerie Paynter[/bold] wrote: Can't help wondering how many of the comments here are from opportunist Labour/Conservative supporters/party activists capitalising on an opportunity to get in some cheap and easy propaganda. Never know; it might help with next year's elections! Rank and file party members of all stripes are utterly ignorant of how the council operates and what is required of councillors. You might see a few on a demo outside council buildings, or attending a few meetings but only the big ones. They would be largely incapable of judging who amongst the elected councillors is good for doing what or a major liability. If the watermelons get too far ahead of themselves they will explode the whole entire Green proposition. The sensibles will not stand again if the irresponsibles take over. Phelim is a really excellent Chair of Planning. Really valuable. And he could be destroyed if he were diverted into the wild ways of the rebel faction whose irresponsibility beggars belief. Please don't kill his electoral chances next year. In time, this first term cllr is very promising for a leadership role. But not now. He is too much of a hot head when he gets up a head of political steam. That needs to change. Running the council is by definition largely managerial and Jason is hugely capable in that role and able to deal with all the different council officer honchos in a challenging way. I only criticise his idiot support for i360 and buying into the guff from officers on it. But some senior Tories do too so..... Councillors need to back away entirely from playing at Development. It is at the manifesto level that the rebels should be concentrating their venom and silliness. Even Cllr Janio (Tory) congratulated them at a recent full council meeting for following their manifesto. Jason Kitcat is doing what the party was elected to do and if the rebels did not get their way when the manifesto was created and the electorate voted on it, I suggest Green Party members give some though to deselection of them or changing the manifesto if you support them. Grow up and stop blaming Jason for all the Green Party woes. Many others have performed abominably in office as councillors but as people don't go to council meetings proof of the pudding has been ignored/remained invisible. The Greens per se have not controlled the message. The propagandists have had it all their own way. Listen up. 20mph is a trend being imposed council, by council, NATIONALLY. Whoever is in power this is a keeper. Listen up: cycle lanes are a trend being imposed council by council NATIONALLY and it was the Tories that put the hated cycle lande down The Drive and Grand Avenue. Whoever is in power will continue putting them in. And start to consider more seriously what services can possibly be spared when 40% of the Central Govt Grant to BHCC has been taken away from it by the Coalition. What has Cameron got against this city?[/p][/quote]A classic example of someone who is losing the battle (or plot), is them accusing the other commentators of belonging or working for rival factions, and you Valerie have demonstrated it perfectly. Congratulations[/p][/quote]How about addressing Valerie's arguments instead of resorting to personal abuse.[/p][/quote]Accusing people who don't agree with her 'Labour/Conservative supporters/party activists' isn't personal abuse? I'm with Just trying to earn a crust in this one. Mr P Brown
  • Score: 2

4:38pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Andy R says...

Hang on....isn't another party represented on the Council currently having a big internal debate about how it elects its leader. Presumably all the councillors of that party are also hopelessly distracted from the important business of governing the city.......?




Warren............?
Hang on....isn't another party represented on the Council currently having a big internal debate about how it elects its leader. Presumably all the councillors of that party are also hopelessly distracted from the important business of governing the city.......? Warren............? Andy R
  • Score: -11

4:57pm Wed 19 Feb 14

dickpagebrighton says...

I guess there will always be rumours, and some negative political point-scoring. But don't believe everything that you read !
Even if we could have done without the CityClean strike, that doesn't make the Greens unfit to govern - the aims of 1. fairer pay (as well as a "living wage") for all council workers, especially women and the low paid, and 2. good use of public money in controlling CityClean allowances, are starting to bear fruit. And the sighs are that the new refuse collection rounds are settling in more smoothly.
And why the rants against cycle lanes ? It is dangerous to cycle on some of our busy city roads, but if we get more people on bikes for shorter journeys, they will be healthier from the exercise, and there will be fewer cars on the roads, so less air pollution, asthma and serious accidents. The greens aren't anti-car; they just want ALL road users, including those many who don't drive (children, pedestrians, elderly people) to enjoy more civilised streets.
I guess there will always be rumours, and some negative political point-scoring. But don't believe everything that you read ! Even if we could have done without the CityClean strike, that doesn't make the Greens unfit to govern - the aims of 1. fairer pay (as well as a "living wage") for all council workers, especially women and the low paid, and 2. good use of public money in controlling CityClean allowances, are starting to bear fruit. And the sighs are that the new refuse collection rounds are settling in more smoothly. And why the rants against cycle lanes ? It is dangerous to cycle on some of our busy city roads, but if we get more people on bikes for shorter journeys, they will be healthier from the exercise, and there will be fewer cars on the roads, so less air pollution, asthma and serious accidents. The greens aren't anti-car; they just want ALL road users, including those many who don't drive (children, pedestrians, elderly people) to enjoy more civilised streets. dickpagebrighton
  • Score: -16

5:14pm Wed 19 Feb 14

HJarrs says...

Rebel Labour MPs and activists have renewed their coup attempt on Labour Leader Ed Milkiband by seeking to give each member and associate member of the Labour Party an equal vote in future leadership elections.

What do you think Warren Morgan? Should Labour MPs resign? Thought not. What it does demonstrate is you in Labour have a problem with democratic processes. Labour cares above all else about power.

The proposed vote is old news. For it to lead to Jk's demise, first there would have to be a contender, secondly the electorate would have to vote him out. Personally, I agree with Valery Paynter, I would be happy to delegate my decision to the councillors, who are in day to day contact with what goes on. If it comes to a vote, I will vote for JK, who has done a decent job in extremely difficult circumstances, and who seems to be improving as time goes by.
Rebel Labour MPs and activists have renewed their coup attempt on Labour Leader Ed Milkiband by seeking to give each member and associate member of the Labour Party an equal vote in future leadership elections. What do you think Warren Morgan? Should Labour MPs resign? Thought not. What it does demonstrate is you in Labour have a problem with democratic processes. Labour cares above all else about power. The proposed vote is old news. For it to lead to Jk's demise, first there would have to be a contender, secondly the electorate would have to vote him out. Personally, I agree with Valery Paynter, I would be happy to delegate my decision to the councillors, who are in day to day contact with what goes on. If it comes to a vote, I will vote for JK, who has done a decent job in extremely difficult circumstances, and who seems to be improving as time goes by. HJarrs
  • Score: -24

5:30pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Richada says...

HJarrs wrote:
Rebel Labour MPs and activists have renewed their coup attempt on Labour Leader Ed Milkiband by seeking to give each member and associate member of the Labour Party an equal vote in future leadership elections.

What do you think Warren Morgan? Should Labour MPs resign? Thought not. What it does demonstrate is you in Labour have a problem with democratic processes. Labour cares above all else about power.

The proposed vote is old news. For it to lead to Jk's demise, first there would have to be a contender, secondly the electorate would have to vote him out. Personally, I agree with Valery Paynter, I would be happy to delegate my decision to the councillors, who are in day to day contact with what goes on. If it comes to a vote, I will vote for JK, who has done a decent job in extremely difficult circumstances, and who seems to be improving as time goes by.
In the old days, reading that, I'd have accused you of wearing rose coloured spectacles.

Today they are green blinkers.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Rebel Labour MPs and activists have renewed their coup attempt on Labour Leader Ed Milkiband by seeking to give each member and associate member of the Labour Party an equal vote in future leadership elections. What do you think Warren Morgan? Should Labour MPs resign? Thought not. What it does demonstrate is you in Labour have a problem with democratic processes. Labour cares above all else about power. The proposed vote is old news. For it to lead to Jk's demise, first there would have to be a contender, secondly the electorate would have to vote him out. Personally, I agree with Valery Paynter, I would be happy to delegate my decision to the councillors, who are in day to day contact with what goes on. If it comes to a vote, I will vote for JK, who has done a decent job in extremely difficult circumstances, and who seems to be improving as time goes by.[/p][/quote]In the old days, reading that, I'd have accused you of wearing rose coloured spectacles. Today they are green blinkers. Richada
  • Score: 23

5:37pm Wed 19 Feb 14

mimseycal says...

dickpagebrighton wrote:
I guess there will always be rumours, and some negative political point-scoring. But don't believe everything that you read !
Even if we could have done without the CityClean strike, that doesn't make the Greens unfit to govern - the aims of 1. fairer pay (as well as a "living wage") for all council workers, especially women and the low paid, and 2. good use of public money in controlling CityClean allowances, are starting to bear fruit. And the sighs are that the new refuse collection rounds are settling in more smoothly.
And why the rants against cycle lanes ? It is dangerous to cycle on some of our busy city roads, but if we get more people on bikes for shorter journeys, they will be healthier from the exercise, and there will be fewer cars on the roads, so less air pollution, asthma and serious accidents. The greens aren't anti-car; they just want ALL road users, including those many who don't drive (children, pedestrians, elderly people) to enjoy more civilised streets.
Then they want to be paying a lot more attention to the haphazard provision of dropped kerbs, the lack of though behind some of these scaffolding erections that go up left right and centre ... and yes, the lack of functional street lighting is a big problem for those of us less mobile. I am in a wheelchair and always have to factor in extra travel time because I never know what obstacles I am going to come across.
[quote][p][bold]dickpagebrighton[/bold] wrote: I guess there will always be rumours, and some negative political point-scoring. But don't believe everything that you read ! Even if we could have done without the CityClean strike, that doesn't make the Greens unfit to govern - the aims of 1. fairer pay (as well as a "living wage") for all council workers, especially women and the low paid, and 2. good use of public money in controlling CityClean allowances, are starting to bear fruit. And the sighs are that the new refuse collection rounds are settling in more smoothly. And why the rants against cycle lanes ? It is dangerous to cycle on some of our busy city roads, but if we get more people on bikes for shorter journeys, they will be healthier from the exercise, and there will be fewer cars on the roads, so less air pollution, asthma and serious accidents. The greens aren't anti-car; they just want ALL road users, including those many who don't drive (children, pedestrians, elderly people) to enjoy more civilised streets.[/p][/quote]Then they want to be paying a lot more attention to the haphazard provision of dropped kerbs, the lack of though behind some of these scaffolding erections that go up left right and centre ... and yes, the lack of functional street lighting is a big problem for those of us less mobile. I am in a wheelchair and always have to factor in extra travel time because I never know what obstacles I am going to come across. mimseycal
  • Score: 12

5:38pm Wed 19 Feb 14

davidcuddis@gmail.com says...

Valerie Paynter should get her facts right before commenting. It was Labour who were responsible for the cycle lanes in The Drive and Grand Avenue. The Tories had hoped to remove them before the last local elections but sadly the Greens were voted in. David C.
Valerie Paynter should get her facts right before commenting. It was Labour who were responsible for the cycle lanes in The Drive and Grand Avenue. The Tories had hoped to remove them before the last local elections but sadly the Greens were voted in. David C. davidcuddis@gmail.com
  • Score: 19

6:03pm Wed 19 Feb 14

JollyRoger says...

the red head wrote:
The greens have put a leaflet through my door asking for support for the referendum. Paper... Money... Pleading? It all sounds very puce rather than green. This man has proved a disaster. It will take a long time for the greens to be a credible party in this region again.
The Greens will NEVER be credible in this region. Not now, not in the future!
[quote][p][bold]the red head[/bold] wrote: The greens have put a leaflet through my door asking for support for the referendum. Paper... Money... Pleading? It all sounds very puce rather than green. This man has proved a disaster. It will take a long time for the greens to be a credible party in this region again.[/p][/quote]The Greens will NEVER be credible in this region. Not now, not in the future! JollyRoger
  • Score: 19

6:41pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Somethingsarejustwrong says...

All 9 of me wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
Richada wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
It's an election, not a coup. Under our constitution an election for the convenorship takes place every year and it's usually contested.
Yes, but don't you think it might be better, especially at this time, getting on and doing what the good people of Brighton elected you to do?

The Green party so keen on spin and PR - if this is how it looks once spun, how on earth must it be internally. All this is a total distraction from doing what you have been elected and are paid to do i.e. RUN OUR CITY.

Have you ANY idea how this looks to we council tax payers, not to mention millions of outsiders who look on in horror - or merely laugh at the plight of Brighton & Hove?
It's less of a distraction than you think - grassroots democracy is in our lifeblood and if you disapprove of that then you probably won't feel at home in the Green Party.

I'm amused by the picture you paint of the distress and anxiety our annual internal election is causing residents, personally I credit the voters with a lot more intelligence than that!
If you credited the voters with any intelligence there wouldn't be any Green party members left at Kings House.
Possibly the first time I have totally agreed with a Gaz Scott comment and where does that leave me?

Shows what a complete bunch a brainless tw4ts the greens are for it to come to this!
[quote][p][bold]All 9 of me[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: It's an election, not a coup. Under our constitution an election for the convenorship takes place every year and it's usually contested.[/p][/quote]Yes, but don't you think it might be better, especially at this time, getting on and doing what the good people of Brighton elected you to do? The Green party so keen on spin and PR - if this is how it looks once spun, how on earth must it be internally. All this is a total distraction from doing what you have been elected and are paid to do i.e. RUN OUR CITY. Have you ANY idea how this looks to we council tax payers, not to mention millions of outsiders who look on in horror - or merely laugh at the plight of Brighton & Hove?[/p][/quote]It's less of a distraction than you think - grassroots democracy is in our lifeblood and if you disapprove of that then you probably won't feel at home in the Green Party. I'm amused by the picture you paint of the distress and anxiety our annual internal election is causing residents, personally I credit the voters with a lot more intelligence than that![/p][/quote]If you credited the voters with any intelligence there wouldn't be any Green party members left at Kings House.[/p][/quote]Possibly the first time I have totally agreed with a Gaz Scott comment and where does that leave me? Shows what a complete bunch a brainless tw4ts the greens are for it to come to this! Somethingsarejustwrong
  • Score: 10

6:43pm Wed 19 Feb 14

FatherTed11 says...

The Greens are a joke. This guy is a bumbling idiot. How do they expect anyone to take them seriously?
The Greens are a joke. This guy is a bumbling idiot. How do they expect anyone to take them seriously? FatherTed11
  • Score: 16

6:50pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Somethingsarejustwrong says...

HJarrs wrote:
Rebel Labour MPs and activists have renewed their coup attempt on Labour Leader Ed Milkiband by seeking to give each member and associate member of the Labour Party an equal vote in future leadership elections.

What do you think Warren Morgan? Should Labour MPs resign? Thought not. What it does demonstrate is you in Labour have a problem with democratic processes. Labour cares above all else about power.

The proposed vote is old news. For it to lead to Jk's demise, first there would have to be a contender, secondly the electorate would have to vote him out. Personally, I agree with Valery Paynter, I would be happy to delegate my decision to the councillors, who are in day to day contact with what goes on. If it comes to a vote, I will vote for JK, who has done a decent job in extremely difficult circumstances, and who seems to be improving as time goes by.
I presume that even you will stop posting cr4p once the greens have gone. How I enjoy the sound of the clock ticking
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Rebel Labour MPs and activists have renewed their coup attempt on Labour Leader Ed Milkiband by seeking to give each member and associate member of the Labour Party an equal vote in future leadership elections. What do you think Warren Morgan? Should Labour MPs resign? Thought not. What it does demonstrate is you in Labour have a problem with democratic processes. Labour cares above all else about power. The proposed vote is old news. For it to lead to Jk's demise, first there would have to be a contender, secondly the electorate would have to vote him out. Personally, I agree with Valery Paynter, I would be happy to delegate my decision to the councillors, who are in day to day contact with what goes on. If it comes to a vote, I will vote for JK, who has done a decent job in extremely difficult circumstances, and who seems to be improving as time goes by.[/p][/quote]I presume that even you will stop posting cr4p once the greens have gone. How I enjoy the sound of the clock ticking Somethingsarejustwrong
  • Score: 18

7:01pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Ambo Guy says...

JHunty wrote:
Andy R wrote:
So....correct me if I'm wrong....but what appears to be happening is that some Green Party members want the next Leader to elected on a one-member one vote system, rather than a system where councillors' votes count for more than ordinary members' votes as at present. This is presented as all the work of some disgruntled councillors who want Kitcat out....and are proposing to do this by watering down their own voting power??

My spidey-senses tell me this is a story spun into a nice frothy mix by Warren Morgan (and fair play to him), and the credulous Argus has happily gone along with it.
Then perhaps you should read the story again and see that senior green party members are calling this "extremely destructive" This time use your finger to follow the words as you read them, if no one is around you can make the shapes of the words with your mouth as you read if it helps.

Perhaps its your beloved Caroline who is responsible for the quote, why dont you get on your white horse put your suit of armour on and go and ask her?
Ha yeah I'm not sure reading is Mr R's strongest suit!

I guess that's why they make the Socialist Worker he sells down Churchill Square an easy read with not too many of those nasty long words!!
[quote][p][bold]JHunty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: So....correct me if I'm wrong....but what appears to be happening is that some Green Party members want the next Leader to elected on a one-member one vote system, rather than a system where councillors' votes count for more than ordinary members' votes as at present. This is presented as all the work of some disgruntled councillors who want Kitcat out....and are proposing to do this by watering down their own voting power?? My spidey-senses tell me this is a story spun into a nice frothy mix by Warren Morgan (and fair play to him), and the credulous Argus has happily gone along with it.[/p][/quote]Then perhaps you should read the story again and see that senior green party members are calling this "extremely destructive" This time use your finger to follow the words as you read them, if no one is around you can make the shapes of the words with your mouth as you read if it helps. Perhaps its your beloved Caroline who is responsible for the quote, why dont you get on your white horse put your suit of armour on and go and ask her?[/p][/quote]Ha yeah I'm not sure reading is Mr R's strongest suit! I guess that's why they make the Socialist Worker he sells down Churchill Square an easy read with not too many of those nasty long words!! Ambo Guy
  • Score: 8

7:07pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Brighton Living says...

Really sick of seeing and hearing about this man and the Greens, why don't you just go away once and for all...........PLEASE !!!!
Really sick of seeing and hearing about this man and the Greens, why don't you just go away once and for all...........PLEASE !!!! Brighton Living
  • Score: 22

7:28pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Valerie Paynter says...

davidcuddis@gmail.co
m
wrote:
Valerie Paynter should get her facts right before commenting. It was Labour who were responsible for the cycle lanes in The Drive and Grand Avenue. The Tories had hoped to remove them before the last local elections but sadly the Greens were voted in. David C.
Sorry but yu are wrong. It may have been initiated under Labour, it was implemented under the Tories.
[quote][p][bold]davidcuddis@gmail.co m[/bold] wrote: Valerie Paynter should get her facts right before commenting. It was Labour who were responsible for the cycle lanes in The Drive and Grand Avenue. The Tories had hoped to remove them before the last local elections but sadly the Greens were voted in. David C.[/p][/quote]Sorry but yu are wrong. It may have been initiated under Labour, it was implemented under the Tories. Valerie Paynter
  • Score: -2

7:35pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Martha Gunn says...

It's all very well throwing the blame at Chaos Kitcat but never forget that the Luddite Lucas is more central to the Green Party project in B&H.

It is imperative to get rid of her and then the acolytes will fade back into the obscurity whence they emerged. And then we will be left to get on with grown up sensible politics once again.

Every effort must be made for a co-ordinated effort in 2015
Get rid of one and get rid of the others for free!
It's all very well throwing the blame at Chaos Kitcat but never forget that the Luddite Lucas is more central to the Green Party project in B&H. It is imperative to get rid of her and then the acolytes will fade back into the obscurity whence they emerged. And then we will be left to get on with grown up sensible politics once again. Every effort must be made for a co-ordinated effort in 2015 Get rid of one and get rid of the others for free! Martha Gunn
  • Score: 21

7:40pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Idontbelieveit1948 says...

HJarrs wrote:
Rebel Labour MPs and activists have renewed their coup attempt on Labour Leader Ed Milkiband by seeking to give each member and associate member of the Labour Party an equal vote in future leadership elections.

What do you think Warren Morgan? Should Labour MPs resign? Thought not. What it does demonstrate is you in Labour have a problem with democratic processes. Labour cares above all else about power.

The proposed vote is old news. For it to lead to Jk's demise, first there would have to be a contender, secondly the electorate would have to vote him out. Personally, I agree with Valery Paynter, I would be happy to delegate my decision to the councillors, who are in day to day contact with what goes on. If it comes to a vote, I will vote for JK, who has done a decent job in extremely difficult circumstances, and who seems to be improving as time goes by.
Hang on, I remember you claiming to not be a member of the Green Party and just a supporter of green ideals, if you expect to have a vote you must be a member. have you been telling us porkies HJ ?
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Rebel Labour MPs and activists have renewed their coup attempt on Labour Leader Ed Milkiband by seeking to give each member and associate member of the Labour Party an equal vote in future leadership elections. What do you think Warren Morgan? Should Labour MPs resign? Thought not. What it does demonstrate is you in Labour have a problem with democratic processes. Labour cares above all else about power. The proposed vote is old news. For it to lead to Jk's demise, first there would have to be a contender, secondly the electorate would have to vote him out. Personally, I agree with Valery Paynter, I would be happy to delegate my decision to the councillors, who are in day to day contact with what goes on. If it comes to a vote, I will vote for JK, who has done a decent job in extremely difficult circumstances, and who seems to be improving as time goes by.[/p][/quote]Hang on, I remember you claiming to not be a member of the Green Party and just a supporter of green ideals, if you expect to have a vote you must be a member. have you been telling us porkies HJ ? Idontbelieveit1948
  • Score: 22

7:54pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Idontbelieveit1948 says...

A nursery rhyme for our times :-

The Greens are starting to crack,
As they continue to attract lots of flack,
But just as before
Council tax payers are ignored,
While they fight like rats in a sack
A nursery rhyme for our times :- The Greens are starting to crack, As they continue to attract lots of flack, But just as before Council tax payers are ignored, While they fight like rats in a sack Idontbelieveit1948
  • Score: 17

8:02pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Warren Morgan says...

Andy R wrote:
So....correct me if I'm wrong....but what appears to be happening is that some Green Party members want the next Leader to elected on a one-member one vote system, rather than a system where councillors' votes count for more than ordinary members' votes as at present. This is presented as all the work of some disgruntled councillors who want Kitcat out....and are proposing to do this by watering down their own voting power??

My spidey-senses tell me this is a story spun into a nice frothy mix by Warren Morgan (and fair play to him), and the credulous Argus has happily gone along with it.
Er, no - I'm pretty busy trying to make sense of the Green budget and get to the bottom of how much that would cost to approve by referendum. Then I have to work on the i360 issue for the following week.

This one just came from the media who asked for a quote. It is Green councillors who want to change their own internal party rules because they are one vote short of removing Jason. No frothing needed from me.
[quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: So....correct me if I'm wrong....but what appears to be happening is that some Green Party members want the next Leader to elected on a one-member one vote system, rather than a system where councillors' votes count for more than ordinary members' votes as at present. This is presented as all the work of some disgruntled councillors who want Kitcat out....and are proposing to do this by watering down their own voting power?? My spidey-senses tell me this is a story spun into a nice frothy mix by Warren Morgan (and fair play to him), and the credulous Argus has happily gone along with it.[/p][/quote]Er, no - I'm pretty busy trying to make sense of the Green budget and get to the bottom of how much that would cost to approve by referendum. Then I have to work on the i360 issue for the following week. This one just came from the media who asked for a quote. It is Green councillors who want to change their own internal party rules because they are one vote short of removing Jason. No frothing needed from me. Warren Morgan
  • Score: 18

8:06pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

Stop the bickering, it's over a Greens.
Residents don't have confidence in you as a party and a change of leadership won't make a difference.
Have some humility and respect for democracy and stand down. If you are good ward councillors you will get elected as an independent. If not, you will be shown the door.
You aren't the first party to be kicked out and won't be the last and what all of you have had in common is a failure to listen to the electorate.
It's over.
Stop the bickering, it's over a Greens. Residents don't have confidence in you as a party and a change of leadership won't make a difference. Have some humility and respect for democracy and stand down. If you are good ward councillors you will get elected as an independent. If not, you will be shown the door. You aren't the first party to be kicked out and won't be the last and what all of you have had in common is a failure to listen to the electorate. It's over. Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: 18

8:17pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Ambo Guy says...

Idontbelieveit1948 wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Rebel Labour MPs and activists have renewed their coup attempt on Labour Leader Ed Milkiband by seeking to give each member and associate member of the Labour Party an equal vote in future leadership elections.

What do you think Warren Morgan? Should Labour MPs resign? Thought not. What it does demonstrate is you in Labour have a problem with democratic processes. Labour cares above all else about power.

The proposed vote is old news. For it to lead to Jk's demise, first there would have to be a contender, secondly the electorate would have to vote him out. Personally, I agree with Valery Paynter, I would be happy to delegate my decision to the councillors, who are in day to day contact with what goes on. If it comes to a vote, I will vote for JK, who has done a decent job in extremely difficult circumstances, and who seems to be improving as time goes by.
Hang on, I remember you claiming to not be a member of the Green Party and just a supporter of green ideals, if you expect to have a vote you must be a member. have you been telling us porkies HJ ?
Oops

In other words HJarrs......BUSTED !!

Seriously though Mr Jarrs nobody likes a liar.
[quote][p][bold]Idontbelieveit1948[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Rebel Labour MPs and activists have renewed their coup attempt on Labour Leader Ed Milkiband by seeking to give each member and associate member of the Labour Party an equal vote in future leadership elections. What do you think Warren Morgan? Should Labour MPs resign? Thought not. What it does demonstrate is you in Labour have a problem with democratic processes. Labour cares above all else about power. The proposed vote is old news. For it to lead to Jk's demise, first there would have to be a contender, secondly the electorate would have to vote him out. Personally, I agree with Valery Paynter, I would be happy to delegate my decision to the councillors, who are in day to day contact with what goes on. If it comes to a vote, I will vote for JK, who has done a decent job in extremely difficult circumstances, and who seems to be improving as time goes by.[/p][/quote]Hang on, I remember you claiming to not be a member of the Green Party and just a supporter of green ideals, if you expect to have a vote you must be a member. have you been telling us porkies HJ ?[/p][/quote]Oops In other words HJarrs......BUSTED !! Seriously though Mr Jarrs nobody likes a liar. Ambo Guy
  • Score: 21

8:46pm Wed 19 Feb 14

keswick says...

fredflintstone1 wrote:
Richada wrote:
her professional wrote:
Richada wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
It's an election, not a coup. Under our constitution an election for the convenorship takes place every year and it's usually contested.
Yes, but don't you think it might be better, especially at this time, getting on and doing what the good people of Brighton elected you to do?

The Green party so keen on spin and PR - if this is how it looks once spun, how on earth must it be internally. All this is a total distraction from doing what you have been elected and are paid to do i.e. RUN OUR CITY.

Have you ANY idea how this looks to we council tax payers, not to mention millions of outsiders who look on in horror - or merely laugh at the plight of Brighton & Hove?
Yes and of course no other political party has ever had any internal discussion or wrangling in the whole history of Brighton.
Funny how there is massive pressure on our housing stock because people are desperate to move IN to Brighton & Hove (hence sky high property prices),and the local economy is buzzing by comparison with most towns and cities along the coast.
No Council gets everything right, and I can't remember a time when Brighton Council was popular, no matter which party was in control. Local Government has no chance these days anyway, their budgets are cut and their powers taken away. They also tend to be punchbags for the shortcomings of national government ( eg prolonged recession = empty shops and tatty high streets).
I'm sure that previous administrations have suffered from wrangling and in-fighting, but, rightly or wrongly, many of us expected better of the Greens.

Judging the current administration by the low standards of their predecessors hardly makes them any better does it?

I don't remember a time when my dustbin NEVER got emptied on the correct day - the recycling remained uncollected, never either were the road surfaces in the terrible condition they now are - and that affects ALL of us as we all throw away rubbish, put out recycling (sorry, many people have given up doing that) and use the roads.

Whatever went on in this city in the past, the general services provided by the council were never as poor as they are now.
Look at how the Greens are now trashing the wide green space alongside the Ditchling Road to put in a massive cycle lane from Woodbourne to Old Boat Corner, quite disconnected to any other, and with a surface that only mountain bikers will use!!

This is inside the national park. Did they carry out a survey before embarking on this latest bout of wildlife destruction? This was one of the best places to see glowworms in the city.

Meanwhile, they can't fill the pot holes in the city's roads, pick up rubbish/recycling on time or even provide street lighting that is fit for purpose. Perhaps instead of getting rid of Jason, they could just rebrand as Bikers R Us, rather than masquerading as green?
Yes the muppets carried out a local consultation but as with any other consultation this bunch of wasters carry out they only listen to the answers that suit them and ignore the rest. It is a total waste of money, regardless of who pays for it, part is part of the Green plan to destroy the city before they are kicked into political oblivion next May. And for those misguided souls who think that any anti Green/Mr Mars Bar comments come from political activists it demonstrates how out of touch and far from reality they are. The vast majority of comments come from residents of the city who are sick of seeing their city destroyed. Still its nice to see that HJarrs has a few friends after all.
[quote][p][bold]fredflintstone1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]her professional[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: It's an election, not a coup. Under our constitution an election for the convenorship takes place every year and it's usually contested.[/p][/quote]Yes, but don't you think it might be better, especially at this time, getting on and doing what the good people of Brighton elected you to do? The Green party so keen on spin and PR - if this is how it looks once spun, how on earth must it be internally. All this is a total distraction from doing what you have been elected and are paid to do i.e. RUN OUR CITY. Have you ANY idea how this looks to we council tax payers, not to mention millions of outsiders who look on in horror - or merely laugh at the plight of Brighton & Hove?[/p][/quote]Yes and of course no other political party has ever had any internal discussion or wrangling in the whole history of Brighton. Funny how there is massive pressure on our housing stock because people are desperate to move IN to Brighton & Hove (hence sky high property prices),and the local economy is buzzing by comparison with most towns and cities along the coast. No Council gets everything right, and I can't remember a time when Brighton Council was popular, no matter which party was in control. Local Government has no chance these days anyway, their budgets are cut and their powers taken away. They also tend to be punchbags for the shortcomings of national government ( eg prolonged recession = empty shops and tatty high streets).[/p][/quote]I'm sure that previous administrations have suffered from wrangling and in-fighting, but, rightly or wrongly, many of us expected better of the Greens. Judging the current administration by the low standards of their predecessors hardly makes them any better does it? I don't remember a time when my dustbin NEVER got emptied on the correct day - the recycling remained uncollected, never either were the road surfaces in the terrible condition they now are - and that affects ALL of us as we all throw away rubbish, put out recycling (sorry, many people have given up doing that) and use the roads. Whatever went on in this city in the past, the general services provided by the council were never as poor as they are now.[/p][/quote]Look at how the Greens are now trashing the wide green space alongside the Ditchling Road to put in a massive cycle lane from Woodbourne to Old Boat Corner, quite disconnected to any other, and with a surface that only mountain bikers will use!! This is inside the national park. Did they carry out a survey before embarking on this latest bout of wildlife destruction? This was one of the best places to see glowworms in the city. Meanwhile, they can't fill the pot holes in the city's roads, pick up rubbish/recycling on time or even provide street lighting that is fit for purpose. Perhaps instead of getting rid of Jason, they could just rebrand as Bikers R Us, rather than masquerading as green?[/p][/quote]Yes the muppets carried out a local consultation but as with any other consultation this bunch of wasters carry out they only listen to the answers that suit them and ignore the rest. It is a total waste of money, regardless of who pays for it, part is part of the Green plan to destroy the city before they are kicked into political oblivion next May. And for those misguided souls who think that any anti Green/Mr Mars Bar comments come from political activists it demonstrates how out of touch and far from reality they are. The vast majority of comments come from residents of the city who are sick of seeing their city destroyed. Still its nice to see that HJarrs has a few friends after all. keswick
  • Score: 19

9:55pm Wed 19 Feb 14

the red head says...

For the record Valerie Paynter, I have no political allegiance. I just want my town back to being a fair, inviting and successful community. This council have destroyed that in my personal experience. My day to day life in Brighton has changed because of their implementations. Visitors are now advised to meet me in Lewes, my disabled mother rarely ventures out in her car and myself, my neighbours and my friends who run shops/restaurants are suffering. Please don't try to divert from the real anguish of ordinary residents. People are entitled to an opinion, even if your opinion is that they are not qualified to do so. I only started commenting on the argus because of the desperate feeling that there was nothing that could be done. Others here showing a passion has been a great source of optimism that change will happen at the next election, if not sooner.
For the record Valerie Paynter, I have no political allegiance. I just want my town back to being a fair, inviting and successful community. This council have destroyed that in my personal experience. My day to day life in Brighton has changed because of their implementations. Visitors are now advised to meet me in Lewes, my disabled mother rarely ventures out in her car and myself, my neighbours and my friends who run shops/restaurants are suffering. Please don't try to divert from the real anguish of ordinary residents. People are entitled to an opinion, even if your opinion is that they are not qualified to do so. I only started commenting on the argus because of the desperate feeling that there was nothing that could be done. Others here showing a passion has been a great source of optimism that change will happen at the next election, if not sooner. the red head
  • Score: 20

10:20pm Wed 19 Feb 14

rolivan says...

The biggest problem the City faces is that it will have more than 30.000 Students that are able to vote.The Universities will be where the Lobbying will be carried out. Students that will possibly only just arrived to take up Studies this year will be able to vote on the future of the City.Maybe some Councillors could explain how they propose to tackle this issue?
The biggest problem the City faces is that it will have more than 30.000 Students that are able to vote.The Universities will be where the Lobbying will be carried out. Students that will possibly only just arrived to take up Studies this year will be able to vote on the future of the City.Maybe some Councillors could explain how they propose to tackle this issue? rolivan
  • Score: 19

10:25pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Ambo Guy says...

Hmmm HJarrs has gone very quiet since he got caught out telling fibs in here !
Hmmm HJarrs has gone very quiet since he got caught out telling fibs in here ! Ambo Guy
  • Score: 18

11:45pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Gribbet says...

fredflintstone1 wrote:
Richada wrote:
her professional wrote:
Richada wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
It's an election, not a coup. Under our constitution an election for the convenorship takes place every year and it's usually contested.
Yes, but don't you think it might be better, especially at this time, getting on and doing what the good people of Brighton elected you to do?

The Green party so keen on spin and PR - if this is how it looks once spun, how on earth must it be internally. All this is a total distraction from doing what you have been elected and are paid to do i.e. RUN OUR CITY.

Have you ANY idea how this looks to we council tax payers, not to mention millions of outsiders who look on in horror - or merely laugh at the plight of Brighton & Hove?
Yes and of course no other political party has ever had any internal discussion or wrangling in the whole history of Brighton.
Funny how there is massive pressure on our housing stock because people are desperate to move IN to Brighton & Hove (hence sky high property prices),and the local economy is buzzing by comparison with most towns and cities along the coast.
No Council gets everything right, and I can't remember a time when Brighton Council was popular, no matter which party was in control. Local Government has no chance these days anyway, their budgets are cut and their powers taken away. They also tend to be punchbags for the shortcomings of national government ( eg prolonged recession = empty shops and tatty high streets).
I'm sure that previous administrations have suffered from wrangling and in-fighting, but, rightly or wrongly, many of us expected better of the Greens.

Judging the current administration by the low standards of their predecessors hardly makes them any better does it?

I don't remember a time when my dustbin NEVER got emptied on the correct day - the recycling remained uncollected, never either were the road surfaces in the terrible condition they now are - and that affects ALL of us as we all throw away rubbish, put out recycling (sorry, many people have given up doing that) and use the roads.

Whatever went on in this city in the past, the general services provided by the council were never as poor as they are now.
Look at how the Greens are now trashing the wide green space alongside the Ditchling Road to put in a massive cycle lane from Woodbourne to Old Boat Corner, quite disconnected to any other, and with a surface that only mountain bikers will use!!

This is inside the national park. Did they carry out a survey before embarking on this latest bout of wildlife destruction? This was one of the best places to see glowworms in the city.

Meanwhile, they can't fill the pot holes in the city's roads, pick up rubbish/recycling on time or even provide street lighting that is fit for purpose. Perhaps instead of getting rid of Jason, they could just rebrand as Bikers R Us, rather than masquerading as green?
Hadn't heard about that cycle trail, but that's excellent news and much needed. Unless it's 10m wide I'm guessing you're exaggerating when you call it 'wildlife destruction', I'm sure your glow worms won't have as much of a problem with people daring to ride bicycles as many car drivers seem to.
[quote][p][bold]fredflintstone1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]her professional[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: It's an election, not a coup. Under our constitution an election for the convenorship takes place every year and it's usually contested.[/p][/quote]Yes, but don't you think it might be better, especially at this time, getting on and doing what the good people of Brighton elected you to do? The Green party so keen on spin and PR - if this is how it looks once spun, how on earth must it be internally. All this is a total distraction from doing what you have been elected and are paid to do i.e. RUN OUR CITY. Have you ANY idea how this looks to we council tax payers, not to mention millions of outsiders who look on in horror - or merely laugh at the plight of Brighton & Hove?[/p][/quote]Yes and of course no other political party has ever had any internal discussion or wrangling in the whole history of Brighton. Funny how there is massive pressure on our housing stock because people are desperate to move IN to Brighton & Hove (hence sky high property prices),and the local economy is buzzing by comparison with most towns and cities along the coast. No Council gets everything right, and I can't remember a time when Brighton Council was popular, no matter which party was in control. Local Government has no chance these days anyway, their budgets are cut and their powers taken away. They also tend to be punchbags for the shortcomings of national government ( eg prolonged recession = empty shops and tatty high streets).[/p][/quote]I'm sure that previous administrations have suffered from wrangling and in-fighting, but, rightly or wrongly, many of us expected better of the Greens. Judging the current administration by the low standards of their predecessors hardly makes them any better does it? I don't remember a time when my dustbin NEVER got emptied on the correct day - the recycling remained uncollected, never either were the road surfaces in the terrible condition they now are - and that affects ALL of us as we all throw away rubbish, put out recycling (sorry, many people have given up doing that) and use the roads. Whatever went on in this city in the past, the general services provided by the council were never as poor as they are now.[/p][/quote]Look at how the Greens are now trashing the wide green space alongside the Ditchling Road to put in a massive cycle lane from Woodbourne to Old Boat Corner, quite disconnected to any other, and with a surface that only mountain bikers will use!! This is inside the national park. Did they carry out a survey before embarking on this latest bout of wildlife destruction? This was one of the best places to see glowworms in the city. Meanwhile, they can't fill the pot holes in the city's roads, pick up rubbish/recycling on time or even provide street lighting that is fit for purpose. Perhaps instead of getting rid of Jason, they could just rebrand as Bikers R Us, rather than masquerading as green?[/p][/quote]Hadn't heard about that cycle trail, but that's excellent news and much needed. Unless it's 10m wide I'm guessing you're exaggerating when you call it 'wildlife destruction', I'm sure your glow worms won't have as much of a problem with people daring to ride bicycles as many car drivers seem to. Gribbet
  • Score: -14

12:01am Thu 20 Feb 14

Gribbet says...

Gribbet wrote:
fredflintstone1 wrote:
Richada wrote:
her professional wrote:
Richada wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
It's an election, not a coup. Under our constitution an election for the convenorship takes place every year and it's usually contested.
Yes, but don't you think it might be better, especially at this time, getting on and doing what the good people of Brighton elected you to do?

The Green party so keen on spin and PR - if this is how it looks once spun, how on earth must it be internally. All this is a total distraction from doing what you have been elected and are paid to do i.e. RUN OUR CITY.

Have you ANY idea how this looks to we council tax payers, not to mention millions of outsiders who look on in horror - or merely laugh at the plight of Brighton & Hove?
Yes and of course no other political party has ever had any internal discussion or wrangling in the whole history of Brighton.
Funny how there is massive pressure on our housing stock because people are desperate to move IN to Brighton & Hove (hence sky high property prices),and the local economy is buzzing by comparison with most towns and cities along the coast.
No Council gets everything right, and I can't remember a time when Brighton Council was popular, no matter which party was in control. Local Government has no chance these days anyway, their budgets are cut and their powers taken away. They also tend to be punchbags for the shortcomings of national government ( eg prolonged recession = empty shops and tatty high streets).
I'm sure that previous administrations have suffered from wrangling and in-fighting, but, rightly or wrongly, many of us expected better of the Greens.

Judging the current administration by the low standards of their predecessors hardly makes them any better does it?

I don't remember a time when my dustbin NEVER got emptied on the correct day - the recycling remained uncollected, never either were the road surfaces in the terrible condition they now are - and that affects ALL of us as we all throw away rubbish, put out recycling (sorry, many people have given up doing that) and use the roads.

Whatever went on in this city in the past, the general services provided by the council were never as poor as they are now.
Look at how the Greens are now trashing the wide green space alongside the Ditchling Road to put in a massive cycle lane from Woodbourne to Old Boat Corner, quite disconnected to any other, and with a surface that only mountain bikers will use!!

This is inside the national park. Did they carry out a survey before embarking on this latest bout of wildlife destruction? This was one of the best places to see glowworms in the city.

Meanwhile, they can't fill the pot holes in the city's roads, pick up rubbish/recycling on time or even provide street lighting that is fit for purpose. Perhaps instead of getting rid of Jason, they could just rebrand as Bikers R Us, rather than masquerading as green?
Hadn't heard about that cycle trail, but that's excellent news and much needed. Unless it's 10m wide I'm guessing you're exaggerating when you call it 'wildlife destruction', I'm sure your glow worms won't have as much of a problem with people daring to ride bicycles as many car drivers seem to.
Oh, and I've just read about it, it's actually a shared pedestrian cycle path funded with the help of the DfT (£337,000) and the Local Sustainable Transport Fund (£100,000), so this is money that couldn't be allocated for your potholes. It's also a gravel track, so you don't need a mountain bike, you can ride a racer on a gravel track with no problem at all. The idea is to provide safe access to the downs for pedestrians (including runners) and cyclists which sounds like a good thin g to me. The only way from town to the Downs that I'd deem safe at the moment is through the rugby club. You can expect this to be a very popular trail. I look forward to giving it a try.
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fredflintstone1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]her professional[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: It's an election, not a coup. Under our constitution an election for the convenorship takes place every year and it's usually contested.[/p][/quote]Yes, but don't you think it might be better, especially at this time, getting on and doing what the good people of Brighton elected you to do? The Green party so keen on spin and PR - if this is how it looks once spun, how on earth must it be internally. All this is a total distraction from doing what you have been elected and are paid to do i.e. RUN OUR CITY. Have you ANY idea how this looks to we council tax payers, not to mention millions of outsiders who look on in horror - or merely laugh at the plight of Brighton & Hove?[/p][/quote]Yes and of course no other political party has ever had any internal discussion or wrangling in the whole history of Brighton. Funny how there is massive pressure on our housing stock because people are desperate to move IN to Brighton & Hove (hence sky high property prices),and the local economy is buzzing by comparison with most towns and cities along the coast. No Council gets everything right, and I can't remember a time when Brighton Council was popular, no matter which party was in control. Local Government has no chance these days anyway, their budgets are cut and their powers taken away. They also tend to be punchbags for the shortcomings of national government ( eg prolonged recession = empty shops and tatty high streets).[/p][/quote]I'm sure that previous administrations have suffered from wrangling and in-fighting, but, rightly or wrongly, many of us expected better of the Greens. Judging the current administration by the low standards of their predecessors hardly makes them any better does it? I don't remember a time when my dustbin NEVER got emptied on the correct day - the recycling remained uncollected, never either were the road surfaces in the terrible condition they now are - and that affects ALL of us as we all throw away rubbish, put out recycling (sorry, many people have given up doing that) and use the roads. Whatever went on in this city in the past, the general services provided by the council were never as poor as they are now.[/p][/quote]Look at how the Greens are now trashing the wide green space alongside the Ditchling Road to put in a massive cycle lane from Woodbourne to Old Boat Corner, quite disconnected to any other, and with a surface that only mountain bikers will use!! This is inside the national park. Did they carry out a survey before embarking on this latest bout of wildlife destruction? This was one of the best places to see glowworms in the city. Meanwhile, they can't fill the pot holes in the city's roads, pick up rubbish/recycling on time or even provide street lighting that is fit for purpose. Perhaps instead of getting rid of Jason, they could just rebrand as Bikers R Us, rather than masquerading as green?[/p][/quote]Hadn't heard about that cycle trail, but that's excellent news and much needed. Unless it's 10m wide I'm guessing you're exaggerating when you call it 'wildlife destruction', I'm sure your glow worms won't have as much of a problem with people daring to ride bicycles as many car drivers seem to.[/p][/quote]Oh, and I've just read about it, it's actually a shared pedestrian cycle path funded with the help of the DfT (£337,000) and the Local Sustainable Transport Fund (£100,000), so this is money that couldn't be allocated for your potholes. It's also a gravel track, so you don't need a mountain bike, you can ride a racer on a gravel track with no problem at all. The idea is to provide safe access to the downs for pedestrians (including runners) and cyclists which sounds like a good thin g to me. The only way from town to the Downs that I'd deem safe at the moment is through the rugby club. You can expect this to be a very popular trail. I look forward to giving it a try. Gribbet
  • Score: -16

12:08am Thu 20 Feb 14

rolivan says...

Gribbet wrote:
fredflintstone1 wrote:
Richada wrote:
her professional wrote:
Richada wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
It's an election, not a coup. Under our constitution an election for the convenorship takes place every year and it's usually contested.
Yes, but don't you think it might be better, especially at this time, getting on and doing what the good people of Brighton elected you to do?

The Green party so keen on spin and PR - if this is how it looks once spun, how on earth must it be internally. All this is a total distraction from doing what you have been elected and are paid to do i.e. RUN OUR CITY.

Have you ANY idea how this looks to we council tax payers, not to mention millions of outsiders who look on in horror - or merely laugh at the plight of Brighton & Hove?
Yes and of course no other political party has ever had any internal discussion or wrangling in the whole history of Brighton.
Funny how there is massive pressure on our housing stock because people are desperate to move IN to Brighton & Hove (hence sky high property prices),and the local economy is buzzing by comparison with most towns and cities along the coast.
No Council gets everything right, and I can't remember a time when Brighton Council was popular, no matter which party was in control. Local Government has no chance these days anyway, their budgets are cut and their powers taken away. They also tend to be punchbags for the shortcomings of national government ( eg prolonged recession = empty shops and tatty high streets).
I'm sure that previous administrations have suffered from wrangling and in-fighting, but, rightly or wrongly, many of us expected better of the Greens.

Judging the current administration by the low standards of their predecessors hardly makes them any better does it?

I don't remember a time when my dustbin NEVER got emptied on the correct day - the recycling remained uncollected, never either were the road surfaces in the terrible condition they now are - and that affects ALL of us as we all throw away rubbish, put out recycling (sorry, many people have given up doing that) and use the roads.

Whatever went on in this city in the past, the general services provided by the council were never as poor as they are now.
Look at how the Greens are now trashing the wide green space alongside the Ditchling Road to put in a massive cycle lane from Woodbourne to Old Boat Corner, quite disconnected to any other, and with a surface that only mountain bikers will use!!

This is inside the national park. Did they carry out a survey before embarking on this latest bout of wildlife destruction? This was one of the best places to see glowworms in the city.

Meanwhile, they can't fill the pot holes in the city's roads, pick up rubbish/recycling on time or even provide street lighting that is fit for purpose. Perhaps instead of getting rid of Jason, they could just rebrand as Bikers R Us, rather than masquerading as green?
Hadn't heard about that cycle trail, but that's excellent news and much needed. Unless it's 10m wide I'm guessing you're exaggerating when you call it 'wildlife destruction', I'm sure your glow worms won't have as much of a problem with people daring to ride bicycles as many car drivers seem to.
At the rate it is expanding it will not be long before the University reaches up to The Ditchling Rd.It would seem that it is exempt from the Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty Rules and Regs.
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fredflintstone1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]her professional[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: It's an election, not a coup. Under our constitution an election for the convenorship takes place every year and it's usually contested.[/p][/quote]Yes, but don't you think it might be better, especially at this time, getting on and doing what the good people of Brighton elected you to do? The Green party so keen on spin and PR - if this is how it looks once spun, how on earth must it be internally. All this is a total distraction from doing what you have been elected and are paid to do i.e. RUN OUR CITY. Have you ANY idea how this looks to we council tax payers, not to mention millions of outsiders who look on in horror - or merely laugh at the plight of Brighton & Hove?[/p][/quote]Yes and of course no other political party has ever had any internal discussion or wrangling in the whole history of Brighton. Funny how there is massive pressure on our housing stock because people are desperate to move IN to Brighton & Hove (hence sky high property prices),and the local economy is buzzing by comparison with most towns and cities along the coast. No Council gets everything right, and I can't remember a time when Brighton Council was popular, no matter which party was in control. Local Government has no chance these days anyway, their budgets are cut and their powers taken away. They also tend to be punchbags for the shortcomings of national government ( eg prolonged recession = empty shops and tatty high streets).[/p][/quote]I'm sure that previous administrations have suffered from wrangling and in-fighting, but, rightly or wrongly, many of us expected better of the Greens. Judging the current administration by the low standards of their predecessors hardly makes them any better does it? I don't remember a time when my dustbin NEVER got emptied on the correct day - the recycling remained uncollected, never either were the road surfaces in the terrible condition they now are - and that affects ALL of us as we all throw away rubbish, put out recycling (sorry, many people have given up doing that) and use the roads. Whatever went on in this city in the past, the general services provided by the council were never as poor as they are now.[/p][/quote]Look at how the Greens are now trashing the wide green space alongside the Ditchling Road to put in a massive cycle lane from Woodbourne to Old Boat Corner, quite disconnected to any other, and with a surface that only mountain bikers will use!! This is inside the national park. Did they carry out a survey before embarking on this latest bout of wildlife destruction? This was one of the best places to see glowworms in the city. Meanwhile, they can't fill the pot holes in the city's roads, pick up rubbish/recycling on time or even provide street lighting that is fit for purpose. Perhaps instead of getting rid of Jason, they could just rebrand as Bikers R Us, rather than masquerading as green?[/p][/quote]Hadn't heard about that cycle trail, but that's excellent news and much needed. Unless it's 10m wide I'm guessing you're exaggerating when you call it 'wildlife destruction', I'm sure your glow worms won't have as much of a problem with people daring to ride bicycles as many car drivers seem to.[/p][/quote]At the rate it is expanding it will not be long before the University reaches up to The Ditchling Rd.It would seem that it is exempt from the Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty Rules and Regs. rolivan
  • Score: 2

12:18am Thu 20 Feb 14

Gribbet says...

insolito wrote:
Hang on a minute.

In what world is it acceptable for a local newspaper to report on a local authority Group's internal discussions and include three paragraphs of quotes from its opponents and not one single one from the Group itself?

What is going on, Argus? Please someone come down here and explain how this shocking oversight can have passed through three stages of editing.
That's just how it always it's always been and the readers prefer the less factual or balanced approach to journalism.
[quote][p][bold]insolito[/bold] wrote: Hang on a minute. In what world is it acceptable for a local newspaper to report on a local authority Group's internal discussions and include three paragraphs of quotes from its opponents and not one single one from the Group itself? What is going on, Argus? Please someone come down here and explain how this shocking oversight can have passed through three stages of editing.[/p][/quote]That's just how it always it's always been and the readers prefer the less factual or balanced approach to journalism. Gribbet
  • Score: -10

1:50am Thu 20 Feb 14

Ambo Guy says...

Gribbet wrote:
insolito wrote:
Hang on a minute.

In what world is it acceptable for a local newspaper to report on a local authority Group's internal discussions and include three paragraphs of quotes from its opponents and not one single one from the Group itself?

What is going on, Argus? Please someone come down here and explain how this shocking oversight can have passed through three stages of editing.
That's just how it always it's always been and the readers prefer the less factual or balanced approach to journalism.
Ooh a 'new' pro Green poster I see.

Nice try but this is all very obvious.

No anyway Gribbet : what do you think of HJarrs accidentally 'coming out' as a fully fledged Green Party member? Are you a member too?
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]insolito[/bold] wrote: Hang on a minute. In what world is it acceptable for a local newspaper to report on a local authority Group's internal discussions and include three paragraphs of quotes from its opponents and not one single one from the Group itself? What is going on, Argus? Please someone come down here and explain how this shocking oversight can have passed through three stages of editing.[/p][/quote]That's just how it always it's always been and the readers prefer the less factual or balanced approach to journalism.[/p][/quote]Ooh a 'new' pro Green poster I see. Nice try but this is all very obvious. No anyway Gribbet : what do you think of HJarrs accidentally 'coming out' as a fully fledged Green Party member? Are you a member too? Ambo Guy
  • Score: 9

6:41am Thu 20 Feb 14

Somethingsarejustwrong says...

Ambo Guy wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
insolito wrote:
Hang on a minute.

In what world is it acceptable for a local newspaper to report on a local authority Group's internal discussions and include three paragraphs of quotes from its opponents and not one single one from the Group itself?

What is going on, Argus? Please someone come down here and explain how this shocking oversight can have passed through three stages of editing.
That's just how it always it's always been and the readers prefer the less factual or balanced approach to journalism.
Ooh a 'new' pro Green poster I see.

Nice try but this is all very obvious.

No anyway Gribbet : what do you think of HJarrs accidentally 'coming out' as a fully fledged Green Party member? Are you a member too?
Given they are both posting names used by the delusional Marxist then I suspect the answer has to be a resounding yes.

Funny that!

And so out of character for the greens
[quote][p][bold]Ambo Guy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]insolito[/bold] wrote: Hang on a minute. In what world is it acceptable for a local newspaper to report on a local authority Group's internal discussions and include three paragraphs of quotes from its opponents and not one single one from the Group itself? What is going on, Argus? Please someone come down here and explain how this shocking oversight can have passed through three stages of editing.[/p][/quote]That's just how it always it's always been and the readers prefer the less factual or balanced approach to journalism.[/p][/quote]Ooh a 'new' pro Green poster I see. Nice try but this is all very obvious. No anyway Gribbet : what do you think of HJarrs accidentally 'coming out' as a fully fledged Green Party member? Are you a member too?[/p][/quote]Given they are both posting names used by the delusional Marxist then I suspect the answer has to be a resounding yes. Funny that! And so out of character for the greens Somethingsarejustwrong
  • Score: 11

7:03am Thu 20 Feb 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

Gravel is awful for road bikes. It's why we also hate roads which have been dressed with chippings. They are very slippery.
Mountain bikes yes, road bikes no.
Gravel is awful for road bikes. It's why we also hate roads which have been dressed with chippings. They are very slippery. Mountain bikes yes, road bikes no. Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: 9

7:08am Thu 20 Feb 14

wexler53 says...

There's as much chance of the hated and self delusional greens quitting as the last mob, back in 1945.

Where's Gorby, or Ike when you need him? Warren? Theobald? Remember us? The taxpayer? Don't let the greens do any more damage to the city!!!

You'll have your election, but we need you to work together on our behalf now!!
There's as much chance of the hated and self delusional greens quitting as the last mob, back in 1945. Where's Gorby, or Ike when you need him? Warren? Theobald? Remember us? The taxpayer? Don't let the greens do any more damage to the city!!! You'll have your election, but we need you to work together on our behalf now!! wexler53
  • Score: 13

7:22am Thu 20 Feb 14

Gribbet says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Gravel is awful for road bikes. It's why we also hate roads which have been dressed with chippings. They are very slippery.
Mountain bikes yes, road bikes no.
Road bikes, yes. A 700x23 tyre is perfectly fine on a gravel track, I've cycled on many, never a problem at 10-12mph.
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Gravel is awful for road bikes. It's why we also hate roads which have been dressed with chippings. They are very slippery. Mountain bikes yes, road bikes no.[/p][/quote]Road bikes, yes. A 700x23 tyre is perfectly fine on a gravel track, I've cycled on many, never a problem at 10-12mph. Gribbet
  • Score: -12

8:26am Thu 20 Feb 14

fredflintstone1 says...

Gribbet wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
fredflintstone1 wrote:
Richada wrote:
her professional wrote:
Richada wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
It's an election, not a coup. Under our constitution an election for the convenorship takes place every year and it's usually contested.
Yes, but don't you think it might be better, especially at this time, getting on and doing what the good people of Brighton elected you to do?

The Green party so keen on spin and PR - if this is how it looks once spun, how on earth must it be internally. All this is a total distraction from doing what you have been elected and are paid to do i.e. RUN OUR CITY.

Have you ANY idea how this looks to we council tax payers, not to mention millions of outsiders who look on in horror - or merely laugh at the plight of Brighton & Hove?
Yes and of course no other political party has ever had any internal discussion or wrangling in the whole history of Brighton.
Funny how there is massive pressure on our housing stock because people are desperate to move IN to Brighton & Hove (hence sky high property prices),and the local economy is buzzing by comparison with most towns and cities along the coast.
No Council gets everything right, and I can't remember a time when Brighton Council was popular, no matter which party was in control. Local Government has no chance these days anyway, their budgets are cut and their powers taken away. They also tend to be punchbags for the shortcomings of national government ( eg prolonged recession = empty shops and tatty high streets).
I'm sure that previous administrations have suffered from wrangling and in-fighting, but, rightly or wrongly, many of us expected better of the Greens.

Judging the current administration by the low standards of their predecessors hardly makes them any better does it?

I don't remember a time when my dustbin NEVER got emptied on the correct day - the recycling remained uncollected, never either were the road surfaces in the terrible condition they now are - and that affects ALL of us as we all throw away rubbish, put out recycling (sorry, many people have given up doing that) and use the roads.

Whatever went on in this city in the past, the general services provided by the council were never as poor as they are now.
Look at how the Greens are now trashing the wide green space alongside the Ditchling Road to put in a massive cycle lane from Woodbourne to Old Boat Corner, quite disconnected to any other, and with a surface that only mountain bikers will use!!

This is inside the national park. Did they carry out a survey before embarking on this latest bout of wildlife destruction? This was one of the best places to see glowworms in the city.

Meanwhile, they can't fill the pot holes in the city's roads, pick up rubbish/recycling on time or even provide street lighting that is fit for purpose. Perhaps instead of getting rid of Jason, they could just rebrand as Bikers R Us, rather than masquerading as green?
Hadn't heard about that cycle trail, but that's excellent news and much needed. Unless it's 10m wide I'm guessing you're exaggerating when you call it 'wildlife destruction', I'm sure your glow worms won't have as much of a problem with people daring to ride bicycles as many car drivers seem to.
Oh, and I've just read about it, it's actually a shared pedestrian cycle path funded with the help of the DfT (£337,000) and the Local Sustainable Transport Fund (£100,000), so this is money that couldn't be allocated for your potholes. It's also a gravel track, so you don't need a mountain bike, you can ride a racer on a gravel track with no problem at all. The idea is to provide safe access to the downs for pedestrians (including runners) and cyclists which sounds like a good thin g to me. The only way from town to the Downs that I'd deem safe at the moment is through the rugby club. You can expect this to be a very popular trail. I look forward to giving it a try.
This path is likely to become a symbol of the Greens - completely disconnected (from the city), and as Maxwell's Ghost points out, unfit for purpose. They were told about the track surface, but were so desperate to spend the money that they didn't listen, and now it's wasted.

You'll enjoy phase 2 of the project though, Gribbet - running into the sheep and cattle blocking the path on a dark's winter's night as they lumber back and forth across the road. More egotistical lunancy that will see people and animals killed if this part of the plan is allowed to go ahead. Hopefully, the other parties will block this idea.

The point that you and your Green comrades always miss is that it is a matter of priorities. The Greens can always find officer time and funding for this sort of thing - being a vanity project - but as you admit, they can't sort out the basics, whether it be repairing pot-holes, collecting rubbish/recycling on schedule or providing road lighting fit for purpose.
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fredflintstone1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]her professional[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: It's an election, not a coup. Under our constitution an election for the convenorship takes place every year and it's usually contested.[/p][/quote]Yes, but don't you think it might be better, especially at this time, getting on and doing what the good people of Brighton elected you to do? The Green party so keen on spin and PR - if this is how it looks once spun, how on earth must it be internally. All this is a total distraction from doing what you have been elected and are paid to do i.e. RUN OUR CITY. Have you ANY idea how this looks to we council tax payers, not to mention millions of outsiders who look on in horror - or merely laugh at the plight of Brighton & Hove?[/p][/quote]Yes and of course no other political party has ever had any internal discussion or wrangling in the whole history of Brighton. Funny how there is massive pressure on our housing stock because people are desperate to move IN to Brighton & Hove (hence sky high property prices),and the local economy is buzzing by comparison with most towns and cities along the coast. No Council gets everything right, and I can't remember a time when Brighton Council was popular, no matter which party was in control. Local Government has no chance these days anyway, their budgets are cut and their powers taken away. They also tend to be punchbags for the shortcomings of national government ( eg prolonged recession = empty shops and tatty high streets).[/p][/quote]I'm sure that previous administrations have suffered from wrangling and in-fighting, but, rightly or wrongly, many of us expected better of the Greens. Judging the current administration by the low standards of their predecessors hardly makes them any better does it? I don't remember a time when my dustbin NEVER got emptied on the correct day - the recycling remained uncollected, never either were the road surfaces in the terrible condition they now are - and that affects ALL of us as we all throw away rubbish, put out recycling (sorry, many people have given up doing that) and use the roads. Whatever went on in this city in the past, the general services provided by the council were never as poor as they are now.[/p][/quote]Look at how the Greens are now trashing the wide green space alongside the Ditchling Road to put in a massive cycle lane from Woodbourne to Old Boat Corner, quite disconnected to any other, and with a surface that only mountain bikers will use!! This is inside the national park. Did they carry out a survey before embarking on this latest bout of wildlife destruction? This was one of the best places to see glowworms in the city. Meanwhile, they can't fill the pot holes in the city's roads, pick up rubbish/recycling on time or even provide street lighting that is fit for purpose. Perhaps instead of getting rid of Jason, they could just rebrand as Bikers R Us, rather than masquerading as green?[/p][/quote]Hadn't heard about that cycle trail, but that's excellent news and much needed. Unless it's 10m wide I'm guessing you're exaggerating when you call it 'wildlife destruction', I'm sure your glow worms won't have as much of a problem with people daring to ride bicycles as many car drivers seem to.[/p][/quote]Oh, and I've just read about it, it's actually a shared pedestrian cycle path funded with the help of the DfT (£337,000) and the Local Sustainable Transport Fund (£100,000), so this is money that couldn't be allocated for your potholes. It's also a gravel track, so you don't need a mountain bike, you can ride a racer on a gravel track with no problem at all. The idea is to provide safe access to the downs for pedestrians (including runners) and cyclists which sounds like a good thin g to me. The only way from town to the Downs that I'd deem safe at the moment is through the rugby club. You can expect this to be a very popular trail. I look forward to giving it a try.[/p][/quote]This path is likely to become a symbol of the Greens - completely disconnected (from the city), and as Maxwell's Ghost points out, unfit for purpose. They were told about the track surface, but were so desperate to spend the money that they didn't listen, and now it's wasted. You'll enjoy phase 2 of the project though, Gribbet - running into the sheep and cattle blocking the path on a dark's winter's night as they lumber back and forth across the road. More egotistical lunancy that will see people and animals killed if this part of the plan is allowed to go ahead. Hopefully, the other parties will block this idea. The point that you and your Green comrades always miss is that it is a matter of priorities. The Greens can always find officer time and funding for this sort of thing - being a vanity project - but as you admit, they can't sort out the basics, whether it be repairing pot-holes, collecting rubbish/recycling on schedule or providing road lighting fit for purpose. fredflintstone1
  • Score: 16

9:06am Thu 20 Feb 14

nomates says...

Gribbet wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
fredflintstone1 wrote:
Richada wrote:
her professional wrote:
Richada wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
It's an election, not a coup. Under our constitution an election for the convenorship takes place every year and it's usually contested.
Yes, but don't you think it might be better, especially at this time, getting on and doing what the good people of Brighton elected you to do?

The Green party so keen on spin and PR - if this is how it looks once spun, how on earth must it be internally. All this is a total distraction from doing what you have been elected and are paid to do i.e. RUN OUR CITY.

Have you ANY idea how this looks to we council tax payers, not to mention millions of outsiders who look on in horror - or merely laugh at the plight of Brighton & Hove?
Yes and of course no other political party has ever had any internal discussion or wrangling in the whole history of Brighton.
Funny how there is massive pressure on our housing stock because people are desperate to move IN to Brighton & Hove (hence sky high property prices),and the local economy is buzzing by comparison with most towns and cities along the coast.
No Council gets everything right, and I can't remember a time when Brighton Council was popular, no matter which party was in control. Local Government has no chance these days anyway, their budgets are cut and their powers taken away. They also tend to be punchbags for the shortcomings of national government ( eg prolonged recession = empty shops and tatty high streets).
I'm sure that previous administrations have suffered from wrangling and in-fighting, but, rightly or wrongly, many of us expected better of the Greens.

Judging the current administration by the low standards of their predecessors hardly makes them any better does it?

I don't remember a time when my dustbin NEVER got emptied on the correct day - the recycling remained uncollected, never either were the road surfaces in the terrible condition they now are - and that affects ALL of us as we all throw away rubbish, put out recycling (sorry, many people have given up doing that) and use the roads.

Whatever went on in this city in the past, the general services provided by the council were never as poor as they are now.
Look at how the Greens are now trashing the wide green space alongside the Ditchling Road to put in a massive cycle lane from Woodbourne to Old Boat Corner, quite disconnected to any other, and with a surface that only mountain bikers will use!!

This is inside the national park. Did they carry out a survey before embarking on this latest bout of wildlife destruction? This was one of the best places to see glowworms in the city.

Meanwhile, they can't fill the pot holes in the city's roads, pick up rubbish/recycling on time or even provide street lighting that is fit for purpose. Perhaps instead of getting rid of Jason, they could just rebrand as Bikers R Us, rather than masquerading as green?
Hadn't heard about that cycle trail, but that's excellent news and much needed. Unless it's 10m wide I'm guessing you're exaggerating when you call it 'wildlife destruction', I'm sure your glow worms won't have as much of a problem with people daring to ride bicycles as many car drivers seem to.
Oh, and I've just read about it, it's actually a shared pedestrian cycle path funded with the help of the DfT (£337,000) and the Local Sustainable Transport Fund (£100,000), so this is money that couldn't be allocated for your potholes. It's also a gravel track, so you don't need a mountain bike, you can ride a racer on a gravel track with no problem at all. The idea is to provide safe access to the downs for pedestrians (including runners) and cyclists which sounds like a good thin g to me. The only way from town to the Downs that I'd deem safe at the moment is through the rugby club. You can expect this to be a very popular trail. I look forward to giving it a try.
Let's hope this 'much needed' cycle path is better used than the Old Shoreham Road cycle path. Last Sunday, on one of the most glorious days of the year so far, I walked into town from Hove Rec, all the way along OSR. I then walked back the same way.

In all that time, I saw NOT ONE cyclist passing me in either direction, in over 40 minutes.

The fact that some of the money came from central government grants is irrelevant. As taxpayers, it's all our money - and as far as I can tell, it was completely wasted.

As a council tax payer, I would gladly contribute toward independent surveys of traffic on this an other cycle routes. Independent, mind, not carried out by members of the council or their agents before any further money is wasted on such schemes.
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fredflintstone1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]her professional[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: It's an election, not a coup. Under our constitution an election for the convenorship takes place every year and it's usually contested.[/p][/quote]Yes, but don't you think it might be better, especially at this time, getting on and doing what the good people of Brighton elected you to do? The Green party so keen on spin and PR - if this is how it looks once spun, how on earth must it be internally. All this is a total distraction from doing what you have been elected and are paid to do i.e. RUN OUR CITY. Have you ANY idea how this looks to we council tax payers, not to mention millions of outsiders who look on in horror - or merely laugh at the plight of Brighton & Hove?[/p][/quote]Yes and of course no other political party has ever had any internal discussion or wrangling in the whole history of Brighton. Funny how there is massive pressure on our housing stock because people are desperate to move IN to Brighton & Hove (hence sky high property prices),and the local economy is buzzing by comparison with most towns and cities along the coast. No Council gets everything right, and I can't remember a time when Brighton Council was popular, no matter which party was in control. Local Government has no chance these days anyway, their budgets are cut and their powers taken away. They also tend to be punchbags for the shortcomings of national government ( eg prolonged recession = empty shops and tatty high streets).[/p][/quote]I'm sure that previous administrations have suffered from wrangling and in-fighting, but, rightly or wrongly, many of us expected better of the Greens. Judging the current administration by the low standards of their predecessors hardly makes them any better does it? I don't remember a time when my dustbin NEVER got emptied on the correct day - the recycling remained uncollected, never either were the road surfaces in the terrible condition they now are - and that affects ALL of us as we all throw away rubbish, put out recycling (sorry, many people have given up doing that) and use the roads. Whatever went on in this city in the past, the general services provided by the council were never as poor as they are now.[/p][/quote]Look at how the Greens are now trashing the wide green space alongside the Ditchling Road to put in a massive cycle lane from Woodbourne to Old Boat Corner, quite disconnected to any other, and with a surface that only mountain bikers will use!! This is inside the national park. Did they carry out a survey before embarking on this latest bout of wildlife destruction? This was one of the best places to see glowworms in the city. Meanwhile, they can't fill the pot holes in the city's roads, pick up rubbish/recycling on time or even provide street lighting that is fit for purpose. Perhaps instead of getting rid of Jason, they could just rebrand as Bikers R Us, rather than masquerading as green?[/p][/quote]Hadn't heard about that cycle trail, but that's excellent news and much needed. Unless it's 10m wide I'm guessing you're exaggerating when you call it 'wildlife destruction', I'm sure your glow worms won't have as much of a problem with people daring to ride bicycles as many car drivers seem to.[/p][/quote]Oh, and I've just read about it, it's actually a shared pedestrian cycle path funded with the help of the DfT (£337,000) and the Local Sustainable Transport Fund (£100,000), so this is money that couldn't be allocated for your potholes. It's also a gravel track, so you don't need a mountain bike, you can ride a racer on a gravel track with no problem at all. The idea is to provide safe access to the downs for pedestrians (including runners) and cyclists which sounds like a good thin g to me. The only way from town to the Downs that I'd deem safe at the moment is through the rugby club. You can expect this to be a very popular trail. I look forward to giving it a try.[/p][/quote]Let's hope this 'much needed' cycle path is better used than the Old Shoreham Road cycle path. Last Sunday, on one of the most glorious days of the year so far, I walked into town from Hove Rec, all the way along OSR. I then walked back the same way. In all that time, I saw NOT ONE cyclist passing me in either direction, in over 40 minutes. The fact that some of the money came from central government grants is irrelevant. As taxpayers, it's all our money - and as far as I can tell, it was completely wasted. As a council tax payer, I would gladly contribute toward independent surveys of traffic on this an other cycle routes. Independent, mind, not carried out by members of the council or their agents before any further money is wasted on such schemes. nomates
  • Score: 15

9:18am Thu 20 Feb 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

My wife runs a 5k at a pace of about 7mph. Are you serious, riding a road bike at 10mph.
Another silly idea. The road bikers will still be on the main Ditchling Road as they are on teh A259 and other routes. The old name for a road bike is a 'racer', the clue is in the name Gribbet.
My wife runs a 5k at a pace of about 7mph. Are you serious, riding a road bike at 10mph. Another silly idea. The road bikers will still be on the main Ditchling Road as they are on teh A259 and other routes. The old name for a road bike is a 'racer', the clue is in the name Gribbet. Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: 11

9:47am Thu 20 Feb 14

Gribbet says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
My wife runs a 5k at a pace of about 7mph. Are you serious, riding a road bike at 10mph.
Another silly idea. The road bikers will still be on the main Ditchling Road as they are on teh A259 and other routes. The old name for a road bike is a 'racer', the clue is in the name Gribbet.
There's more to cycling than racing all the time, people who want to race can stick to the road if they choose by all means. You really should try to enjoy cycling without maxing out all the time, take the time to relax and enjoy the scenery.
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: My wife runs a 5k at a pace of about 7mph. Are you serious, riding a road bike at 10mph. Another silly idea. The road bikers will still be on the main Ditchling Road as they are on teh A259 and other routes. The old name for a road bike is a 'racer', the clue is in the name Gribbet.[/p][/quote]There's more to cycling than racing all the time, people who want to race can stick to the road if they choose by all means. You really should try to enjoy cycling without maxing out all the time, take the time to relax and enjoy the scenery. Gribbet
  • Score: -14

9:56am Thu 20 Feb 14

Richada says...

Ambo Guy wrote:
Hmmm HJarrs has gone very quiet since he got caught out telling fibs in here !
Telling fibs?

That's "good" old fashioned spin that is.
[quote][p][bold]Ambo Guy[/bold] wrote: Hmmm HJarrs has gone very quiet since he got caught out telling fibs in here ![/p][/quote]Telling fibs? That's "good" old fashioned spin that is. Richada
  • Score: 10

9:59am Thu 20 Feb 14

Gribbet says...

fredflintstone1 wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
fredflintstone1 wrote:
Richada wrote:
her professional wrote:
Richada wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
It's an election, not a coup. Under our constitution an election for the convenorship takes place every year and it's usually contested.
Yes, but don't you think it might be better, especially at this time, getting on and doing what the good people of Brighton elected you to do?

The Green party so keen on spin and PR - if this is how it looks once spun, how on earth must it be internally. All this is a total distraction from doing what you have been elected and are paid to do i.e. RUN OUR CITY.

Have you ANY idea how this looks to we council tax payers, not to mention millions of outsiders who look on in horror - or merely laugh at the plight of Brighton & Hove?
Yes and of course no other political party has ever had any internal discussion or wrangling in the whole history of Brighton.
Funny how there is massive pressure on our housing stock because people are desperate to move IN to Brighton & Hove (hence sky high property prices),and the local economy is buzzing by comparison with most towns and cities along the coast.
No Council gets everything right, and I can't remember a time when Brighton Council was popular, no matter which party was in control. Local Government has no chance these days anyway, their budgets are cut and their powers taken away. They also tend to be punchbags for the shortcomings of national government ( eg prolonged recession = empty shops and tatty high streets).
I'm sure that previous administrations have suffered from wrangling and in-fighting, but, rightly or wrongly, many of us expected better of the Greens.

Judging the current administration by the low standards of their predecessors hardly makes them any better does it?

I don't remember a time when my dustbin NEVER got emptied on the correct day - the recycling remained uncollected, never either were the road surfaces in the terrible condition they now are - and that affects ALL of us as we all throw away rubbish, put out recycling (sorry, many people have given up doing that) and use the roads.

Whatever went on in this city in the past, the general services provided by the council were never as poor as they are now.
Look at how the Greens are now trashing the wide green space alongside the Ditchling Road to put in a massive cycle lane from Woodbourne to Old Boat Corner, quite disconnected to any other, and with a surface that only mountain bikers will use!!

This is inside the national park. Did they carry out a survey before embarking on this latest bout of wildlife destruction? This was one of the best places to see glowworms in the city.

Meanwhile, they can't fill the pot holes in the city's roads, pick up rubbish/recycling on time or even provide street lighting that is fit for purpose. Perhaps instead of getting rid of Jason, they could just rebrand as Bikers R Us, rather than masquerading as green?
Hadn't heard about that cycle trail, but that's excellent news and much needed. Unless it's 10m wide I'm guessing you're exaggerating when you call it 'wildlife destruction', I'm sure your glow worms won't have as much of a problem with people daring to ride bicycles as many car drivers seem to.
Oh, and I've just read about it, it's actually a shared pedestrian cycle path funded with the help of the DfT (£337,000) and the Local Sustainable Transport Fund (£100,000), so this is money that couldn't be allocated for your potholes. It's also a gravel track, so you don't need a mountain bike, you can ride a racer on a gravel track with no problem at all. The idea is to provide safe access to the downs for pedestrians (including runners) and cyclists which sounds like a good thin g to me. The only way from town to the Downs that I'd deem safe at the moment is through the rugby club. You can expect this to be a very popular trail. I look forward to giving it a try.
This path is likely to become a symbol of the Greens - completely disconnected (from the city), and as Maxwell's Ghost points out, unfit for purpose. They were told about the track surface, but were so desperate to spend the money that they didn't listen, and now it's wasted.

You'll enjoy phase 2 of the project though, Gribbet - running into the sheep and cattle blocking the path on a dark's winter's night as they lumber back and forth across the road. More egotistical lunancy that will see people and animals killed if this part of the plan is allowed to go ahead. Hopefully, the other parties will block this idea.

The point that you and your Green comrades always miss is that it is a matter of priorities. The Greens can always find officer time and funding for this sort of thing - being a vanity project - but as you admit, they can't sort out the basics, whether it be repairing pot-holes, collecting rubbish/recycling on schedule or providing road lighting fit for purpose.
It'll be fit for purpose for me and my bike, if Maxwell doesn't know what his bike is capable of, or he's afraid of it getting dirty, that's his loss.

I won't be cycling up there at night, but as for sheep and cattle, even better, this bike track is sounding better and better the more I hear about it!

Ever heard of Paris Roubaix Maxwell? It's 280km, they race over cobblestones, and yes they ride road bikes ('racers').
[quote][p][bold]fredflintstone1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fredflintstone1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]her professional[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: It's an election, not a coup. Under our constitution an election for the convenorship takes place every year and it's usually contested.[/p][/quote]Yes, but don't you think it might be better, especially at this time, getting on and doing what the good people of Brighton elected you to do? The Green party so keen on spin and PR - if this is how it looks once spun, how on earth must it be internally. All this is a total distraction from doing what you have been elected and are paid to do i.e. RUN OUR CITY. Have you ANY idea how this looks to we council tax payers, not to mention millions of outsiders who look on in horror - or merely laugh at the plight of Brighton & Hove?[/p][/quote]Yes and of course no other political party has ever had any internal discussion or wrangling in the whole history of Brighton. Funny how there is massive pressure on our housing stock because people are desperate to move IN to Brighton & Hove (hence sky high property prices),and the local economy is buzzing by comparison with most towns and cities along the coast. No Council gets everything right, and I can't remember a time when Brighton Council was popular, no matter which party was in control. Local Government has no chance these days anyway, their budgets are cut and their powers taken away. They also tend to be punchbags for the shortcomings of national government ( eg prolonged recession = empty shops and tatty high streets).[/p][/quote]I'm sure that previous administrations have suffered from wrangling and in-fighting, but, rightly or wrongly, many of us expected better of the Greens. Judging the current administration by the low standards of their predecessors hardly makes them any better does it? I don't remember a time when my dustbin NEVER got emptied on the correct day - the recycling remained uncollected, never either were the road surfaces in the terrible condition they now are - and that affects ALL of us as we all throw away rubbish, put out recycling (sorry, many people have given up doing that) and use the roads. Whatever went on in this city in the past, the general services provided by the council were never as poor as they are now.[/p][/quote]Look at how the Greens are now trashing the wide green space alongside the Ditchling Road to put in a massive cycle lane from Woodbourne to Old Boat Corner, quite disconnected to any other, and with a surface that only mountain bikers will use!! This is inside the national park. Did they carry out a survey before embarking on this latest bout of wildlife destruction? This was one of the best places to see glowworms in the city. Meanwhile, they can't fill the pot holes in the city's roads, pick up rubbish/recycling on time or even provide street lighting that is fit for purpose. Perhaps instead of getting rid of Jason, they could just rebrand as Bikers R Us, rather than masquerading as green?[/p][/quote]Hadn't heard about that cycle trail, but that's excellent news and much needed. Unless it's 10m wide I'm guessing you're exaggerating when you call it 'wildlife destruction', I'm sure your glow worms won't have as much of a problem with people daring to ride bicycles as many car drivers seem to.[/p][/quote]Oh, and I've just read about it, it's actually a shared pedestrian cycle path funded with the help of the DfT (£337,000) and the Local Sustainable Transport Fund (£100,000), so this is money that couldn't be allocated for your potholes. It's also a gravel track, so you don't need a mountain bike, you can ride a racer on a gravel track with no problem at all. The idea is to provide safe access to the downs for pedestrians (including runners) and cyclists which sounds like a good thin g to me. The only way from town to the Downs that I'd deem safe at the moment is through the rugby club. You can expect this to be a very popular trail. I look forward to giving it a try.[/p][/quote]This path is likely to become a symbol of the Greens - completely disconnected (from the city), and as Maxwell's Ghost points out, unfit for purpose. They were told about the track surface, but were so desperate to spend the money that they didn't listen, and now it's wasted. You'll enjoy phase 2 of the project though, Gribbet - running into the sheep and cattle blocking the path on a dark's winter's night as they lumber back and forth across the road. More egotistical lunancy that will see people and animals killed if this part of the plan is allowed to go ahead. Hopefully, the other parties will block this idea. The point that you and your Green comrades always miss is that it is a matter of priorities. The Greens can always find officer time and funding for this sort of thing - being a vanity project - but as you admit, they can't sort out the basics, whether it be repairing pot-holes, collecting rubbish/recycling on schedule or providing road lighting fit for purpose.[/p][/quote]It'll be fit for purpose for me and my bike, if Maxwell doesn't know what his bike is capable of, or he's afraid of it getting dirty, that's his loss. I won't be cycling up there at night, but as for sheep and cattle, even better, this bike track is sounding better and better the more I hear about it! Ever heard of Paris Roubaix Maxwell? It's 280km, they race over cobblestones, and yes they ride road bikes ('racers'). Gribbet
  • Score: -14

10:02am Thu 20 Feb 14

Richada says...

the red head wrote:
For the record Valerie Paynter, I have no political allegiance. I just want my town back to being a fair, inviting and successful community. This council have destroyed that in my personal experience. My day to day life in Brighton has changed because of their implementations. Visitors are now advised to meet me in Lewes, my disabled mother rarely ventures out in her car and myself, my neighbours and my friends who run shops/restaurants are suffering. Please don't try to divert from the real anguish of ordinary residents. People are entitled to an opinion, even if your opinion is that they are not qualified to do so. I only started commenting on the argus because of the desperate feeling that there was nothing that could be done. Others here showing a passion has been a great source of optimism that change will happen at the next election, if not sooner.
Here here!
[quote][p][bold]the red head[/bold] wrote: For the record Valerie Paynter, I have no political allegiance. I just want my town back to being a fair, inviting and successful community. This council have destroyed that in my personal experience. My day to day life in Brighton has changed because of their implementations. Visitors are now advised to meet me in Lewes, my disabled mother rarely ventures out in her car and myself, my neighbours and my friends who run shops/restaurants are suffering. Please don't try to divert from the real anguish of ordinary residents. People are entitled to an opinion, even if your opinion is that they are not qualified to do so. I only started commenting on the argus because of the desperate feeling that there was nothing that could be done. Others here showing a passion has been a great source of optimism that change will happen at the next election, if not sooner.[/p][/quote]Here here! Richada
  • Score: 13

10:19am Thu 20 Feb 14

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! says...

Richada wrote:
the red head wrote:
For the record Valerie Paynter, I have no political allegiance. I just want my town back to being a fair, inviting and successful community. This council have destroyed that in my personal experience. My day to day life in Brighton has changed because of their implementations. Visitors are now advised to meet me in Lewes, my disabled mother rarely ventures out in her car and myself, my neighbours and my friends who run shops/restaurants are suffering. Please don't try to divert from the real anguish of ordinary residents. People are entitled to an opinion, even if your opinion is that they are not qualified to do so. I only started commenting on the argus because of the desperate feeling that there was nothing that could be done. Others here showing a passion has been a great source of optimism that change will happen at the next election, if not sooner.
Here here!
The great thing about being Green as HJ says, is that 'we Greens don't have to listen to anyone who disagrees with us'

So like Gribbet, we will keep telling you what we want to tell you, regardless of whether its true, or relevant to your needs and rest assured your comments will be ignored, unless by coincidence they align with our agenda.

We are the Greens
[quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the red head[/bold] wrote: For the record Valerie Paynter, I have no political allegiance. I just want my town back to being a fair, inviting and successful community. This council have destroyed that in my personal experience. My day to day life in Brighton has changed because of their implementations. Visitors are now advised to meet me in Lewes, my disabled mother rarely ventures out in her car and myself, my neighbours and my friends who run shops/restaurants are suffering. Please don't try to divert from the real anguish of ordinary residents. People are entitled to an opinion, even if your opinion is that they are not qualified to do so. I only started commenting on the argus because of the desperate feeling that there was nothing that could be done. Others here showing a passion has been a great source of optimism that change will happen at the next election, if not sooner.[/p][/quote]Here here![/p][/quote]The great thing about being Green as HJ says, is that 'we Greens don't have to listen to anyone who disagrees with us' So like Gribbet, we will keep telling you what we want to tell you, regardless of whether its true, or relevant to your needs and rest assured your comments will be ignored, unless by coincidence they align with our agenda. We are the Greens I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars!
  • Score: 15

10:31am Thu 20 Feb 14

fredflintstone1 says...

Gribbet wrote:
fredflintstone1 wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
fredflintstone1 wrote:
Richada wrote:
her professional wrote:
Richada wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
It's an election, not a coup. Under our constitution an election for the convenorship takes place every year and it's usually contested.
Yes, but don't you think it might be better, especially at this time, getting on and doing what the good people of Brighton elected you to do?

The Green party so keen on spin and PR - if this is how it looks once spun, how on earth must it be internally. All this is a total distraction from doing what you have been elected and are paid to do i.e. RUN OUR CITY.

Have you ANY idea how this looks to we council tax payers, not to mention millions of outsiders who look on in horror - or merely laugh at the plight of Brighton & Hove?
Yes and of course no other political party has ever had any internal discussion or wrangling in the whole history of Brighton.
Funny how there is massive pressure on our housing stock because people are desperate to move IN to Brighton & Hove (hence sky high property prices),and the local economy is buzzing by comparison with most towns and cities along the coast.
No Council gets everything right, and I can't remember a time when Brighton Council was popular, no matter which party was in control. Local Government has no chance these days anyway, their budgets are cut and their powers taken away. They also tend to be punchbags for the shortcomings of national government ( eg prolonged recession = empty shops and tatty high streets).
I'm sure that previous administrations have suffered from wrangling and in-fighting, but, rightly or wrongly, many of us expected better of the Greens.

Judging the current administration by the low standards of their predecessors hardly makes them any better does it?

I don't remember a time when my dustbin NEVER got emptied on the correct day - the recycling remained uncollected, never either were the road surfaces in the terrible condition they now are - and that affects ALL of us as we all throw away rubbish, put out recycling (sorry, many people have given up doing that) and use the roads.

Whatever went on in this city in the past, the general services provided by the council were never as poor as they are now.
Look at how the Greens are now trashing the wide green space alongside the Ditchling Road to put in a massive cycle lane from Woodbourne to Old Boat Corner, quite disconnected to any other, and with a surface that only mountain bikers will use!!

This is inside the national park. Did they carry out a survey before embarking on this latest bout of wildlife destruction? This was one of the best places to see glowworms in the city.

Meanwhile, they can't fill the pot holes in the city's roads, pick up rubbish/recycling on time or even provide street lighting that is fit for purpose. Perhaps instead of getting rid of Jason, they could just rebrand as Bikers R Us, rather than masquerading as green?
Hadn't heard about that cycle trail, but that's excellent news and much needed. Unless it's 10m wide I'm guessing you're exaggerating when you call it 'wildlife destruction', I'm sure your glow worms won't have as much of a problem with people daring to ride bicycles as many car drivers seem to.
Oh, and I've just read about it, it's actually a shared pedestrian cycle path funded with the help of the DfT (£337,000) and the Local Sustainable Transport Fund (£100,000), so this is money that couldn't be allocated for your potholes. It's also a gravel track, so you don't need a mountain bike, you can ride a racer on a gravel track with no problem at all. The idea is to provide safe access to the downs for pedestrians (including runners) and cyclists which sounds like a good thin g to me. The only way from town to the Downs that I'd deem safe at the moment is through the rugby club. You can expect this to be a very popular trail. I look forward to giving it a try.
This path is likely to become a symbol of the Greens - completely disconnected (from the city), and as Maxwell's Ghost points out, unfit for purpose. They were told about the track surface, but were so desperate to spend the money that they didn't listen, and now it's wasted.

You'll enjoy phase 2 of the project though, Gribbet - running into the sheep and cattle blocking the path on a dark's winter's night as they lumber back and forth across the road. More egotistical lunancy that will see people and animals killed if this part of the plan is allowed to go ahead. Hopefully, the other parties will block this idea.

The point that you and your Green comrades always miss is that it is a matter of priorities. The Greens can always find officer time and funding for this sort of thing - being a vanity project - but as you admit, they can't sort out the basics, whether it be repairing pot-holes, collecting rubbish/recycling on schedule or providing road lighting fit for purpose.
It'll be fit for purpose for me and my bike, if Maxwell doesn't know what his bike is capable of, or he's afraid of it getting dirty, that's his loss.

I won't be cycling up there at night, but as for sheep and cattle, even better, this bike track is sounding better and better the more I hear about it!

Ever heard of Paris Roubaix Maxwell? It's 280km, they race over cobblestones, and yes they ride road bikes ('racers').
With all those cattle up there, I'm sure your bike will be getting suitably dirty. Who is going to walk or run in an area once it is covered in cow pats and sheep dung? They don't have this issue now.

More importantly, are you going to be volunteering to tell the families of those killed or maimed by cattle and sheep spooked across the road by bikes into the path of a car (or vice-versa) that their loved ones had to die to satisfy the urban farm fantasies of you and your fellow Greens?

Ironic really - there's a good farm at Stanmer Park that you could use, but that doesn't appeal....

Don't get too smug though. When they've stripped off the road markings, and there's a dense fog, to which the area is susceptible, you could be in danger too.
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fredflintstone1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fredflintstone1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]her professional[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: It's an election, not a coup. Under our constitution an election for the convenorship takes place every year and it's usually contested.[/p][/quote]Yes, but don't you think it might be better, especially at this time, getting on and doing what the good people of Brighton elected you to do? The Green party so keen on spin and PR - if this is how it looks once spun, how on earth must it be internally. All this is a total distraction from doing what you have been elected and are paid to do i.e. RUN OUR CITY. Have you ANY idea how this looks to we council tax payers, not to mention millions of outsiders who look on in horror - or merely laugh at the plight of Brighton & Hove?[/p][/quote]Yes and of course no other political party has ever had any internal discussion or wrangling in the whole history of Brighton. Funny how there is massive pressure on our housing stock because people are desperate to move IN to Brighton & Hove (hence sky high property prices),and the local economy is buzzing by comparison with most towns and cities along the coast. No Council gets everything right, and I can't remember a time when Brighton Council was popular, no matter which party was in control. Local Government has no chance these days anyway, their budgets are cut and their powers taken away. They also tend to be punchbags for the shortcomings of national government ( eg prolonged recession = empty shops and tatty high streets).[/p][/quote]I'm sure that previous administrations have suffered from wrangling and in-fighting, but, rightly or wrongly, many of us expected better of the Greens. Judging the current administration by the low standards of their predecessors hardly makes them any better does it? I don't remember a time when my dustbin NEVER got emptied on the correct day - the recycling remained uncollected, never either were the road surfaces in the terrible condition they now are - and that affects ALL of us as we all throw away rubbish, put out recycling (sorry, many people have given up doing that) and use the roads. Whatever went on in this city in the past, the general services provided by the council were never as poor as they are now.[/p][/quote]Look at how the Greens are now trashing the wide green space alongside the Ditchling Road to put in a massive cycle lane from Woodbourne to Old Boat Corner, quite disconnected to any other, and with a surface that only mountain bikers will use!! This is inside the national park. Did they carry out a survey before embarking on this latest bout of wildlife destruction? This was one of the best places to see glowworms in the city. Meanwhile, they can't fill the pot holes in the city's roads, pick up rubbish/recycling on time or even provide street lighting that is fit for purpose. Perhaps instead of getting rid of Jason, they could just rebrand as Bikers R Us, rather than masquerading as green?[/p][/quote]Hadn't heard about that cycle trail, but that's excellent news and much needed. Unless it's 10m wide I'm guessing you're exaggerating when you call it 'wildlife destruction', I'm sure your glow worms won't have as much of a problem with people daring to ride bicycles as many car drivers seem to.[/p][/quote]Oh, and I've just read about it, it's actually a shared pedestrian cycle path funded with the help of the DfT (£337,000) and the Local Sustainable Transport Fund (£100,000), so this is money that couldn't be allocated for your potholes. It's also a gravel track, so you don't need a mountain bike, you can ride a racer on a gravel track with no problem at all. The idea is to provide safe access to the downs for pedestrians (including runners) and cyclists which sounds like a good thin g to me. The only way from town to the Downs that I'd deem safe at the moment is through the rugby club. You can expect this to be a very popular trail. I look forward to giving it a try.[/p][/quote]This path is likely to become a symbol of the Greens - completely disconnected (from the city), and as Maxwell's Ghost points out, unfit for purpose. They were told about the track surface, but were so desperate to spend the money that they didn't listen, and now it's wasted. You'll enjoy phase 2 of the project though, Gribbet - running into the sheep and cattle blocking the path on a dark's winter's night as they lumber back and forth across the road. More egotistical lunancy that will see people and animals killed if this part of the plan is allowed to go ahead. Hopefully, the other parties will block this idea. The point that you and your Green comrades always miss is that it is a matter of priorities. The Greens can always find officer time and funding for this sort of thing - being a vanity project - but as you admit, they can't sort out the basics, whether it be repairing pot-holes, collecting rubbish/recycling on schedule or providing road lighting fit for purpose.[/p][/quote]It'll be fit for purpose for me and my bike, if Maxwell doesn't know what his bike is capable of, or he's afraid of it getting dirty, that's his loss. I won't be cycling up there at night, but as for sheep and cattle, even better, this bike track is sounding better and better the more I hear about it! Ever heard of Paris Roubaix Maxwell? It's 280km, they race over cobblestones, and yes they ride road bikes ('racers').[/p][/quote]With all those cattle up there, I'm sure your bike will be getting suitably dirty. Who is going to walk or run in an area once it is covered in cow pats and sheep dung? They don't have this issue now. More importantly, are you going to be volunteering to tell the families of those killed or maimed by cattle and sheep spooked across the road by bikes into the path of a car (or vice-versa) that their loved ones had to die to satisfy the urban farm fantasies of you and your fellow Greens? Ironic really - there's a good farm at Stanmer Park that you could use, but that doesn't appeal.... Don't get too smug though. When they've stripped off the road markings, and there's a dense fog, to which the area is susceptible, you could be in danger too. fredflintstone1
  • Score: 11

10:49am Thu 20 Feb 14

Richada says...

Gribbet wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
My wife runs a 5k at a pace of about 7mph. Are you serious, riding a road bike at 10mph.
Another silly idea. The road bikers will still be on the main Ditchling Road as they are on teh A259 and other routes. The old name for a road bike is a 'racer', the clue is in the name Gribbet.
There's more to cycling than racing all the time, people who want to race can stick to the road if they choose by all means. You really should try to enjoy cycling without maxing out all the time, take the time to relax and enjoy the scenery.
Now we have factions within the cycling community!

The Greens are going to tell us how slowly we have to cycle now.

Is there going to be a speed limit posted on pavements for pedestrians?

This is getting ever more ridiculous.
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: My wife runs a 5k at a pace of about 7mph. Are you serious, riding a road bike at 10mph. Another silly idea. The road bikers will still be on the main Ditchling Road as they are on teh A259 and other routes. The old name for a road bike is a 'racer', the clue is in the name Gribbet.[/p][/quote]There's more to cycling than racing all the time, people who want to race can stick to the road if they choose by all means. You really should try to enjoy cycling without maxing out all the time, take the time to relax and enjoy the scenery.[/p][/quote]Now we have factions within the cycling community! The Greens are going to tell us how slowly we have to cycle now. Is there going to be a speed limit posted on pavements for pedestrians? This is getting ever more ridiculous. Richada
  • Score: 13

10:50am Thu 20 Feb 14

Richada says...

Mr Kitcat, if you are as sensible as they all say you are, prove it!

Put an end to all this NOW!
Mr Kitcat, if you are as sensible as they all say you are, prove it! Put an end to all this NOW! Richada
  • Score: 8

11:34am Thu 20 Feb 14

Gribbet says...

fredflintstone1 wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
fredflintstone1 wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
fredflintstone1 wrote:
Richada wrote:
her professional wrote:
Richada wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
It's an election, not a coup. Under our constitution an election for the convenorship takes place every year and it's usually contested.
Yes, but don't you think it might be better, especially at this time, getting on and doing what the good people of Brighton elected you to do?

The Green party so keen on spin and PR - if this is how it looks once spun, how on earth must it be internally. All this is a total distraction from doing what you have been elected and are paid to do i.e. RUN OUR CITY.

Have you ANY idea how this looks to we council tax payers, not to mention millions of outsiders who look on in horror - or merely laugh at the plight of Brighton & Hove?
Yes and of course no other political party has ever had any internal discussion or wrangling in the whole history of Brighton.
Funny how there is massive pressure on our housing stock because people are desperate to move IN to Brighton & Hove (hence sky high property prices),and the local economy is buzzing by comparison with most towns and cities along the coast.
No Council gets everything right, and I can't remember a time when Brighton Council was popular, no matter which party was in control. Local Government has no chance these days anyway, their budgets are cut and their powers taken away. They also tend to be punchbags for the shortcomings of national government ( eg prolonged recession = empty shops and tatty high streets).
I'm sure that previous administrations have suffered from wrangling and in-fighting, but, rightly or wrongly, many of us expected better of the Greens.

Judging the current administration by the low standards of their predecessors hardly makes them any better does it?

I don't remember a time when my dustbin NEVER got emptied on the correct day - the recycling remained uncollected, never either were the road surfaces in the terrible condition they now are - and that affects ALL of us as we all throw away rubbish, put out recycling (sorry, many people have given up doing that) and use the roads.

Whatever went on in this city in the past, the general services provided by the council were never as poor as they are now.
Look at how the Greens are now trashing the wide green space alongside the Ditchling Road to put in a massive cycle lane from Woodbourne to Old Boat Corner, quite disconnected to any other, and with a surface that only mountain bikers will use!!

This is inside the national park. Did they carry out a survey before embarking on this latest bout of wildlife destruction? This was one of the best places to see glowworms in the city.

Meanwhile, they can't fill the pot holes in the city's roads, pick up rubbish/recycling on time or even provide street lighting that is fit for purpose. Perhaps instead of getting rid of Jason, they could just rebrand as Bikers R Us, rather than masquerading as green?
Hadn't heard about that cycle trail, but that's excellent news and much needed. Unless it's 10m wide I'm guessing you're exaggerating when you call it 'wildlife destruction', I'm sure your glow worms won't have as much of a problem with people daring to ride bicycles as many car drivers seem to.
Oh, and I've just read about it, it's actually a shared pedestrian cycle path funded with the help of the DfT (£337,000) and the Local Sustainable Transport Fund (£100,000), so this is money that couldn't be allocated for your potholes. It's also a gravel track, so you don't need a mountain bike, you can ride a racer on a gravel track with no problem at all. The idea is to provide safe access to the downs for pedestrians (including runners) and cyclists which sounds like a good thin g to me. The only way from town to the Downs that I'd deem safe at the moment is through the rugby club. You can expect this to be a very popular trail. I look forward to giving it a try.
This path is likely to become a symbol of the Greens - completely disconnected (from the city), and as Maxwell's Ghost points out, unfit for purpose. They were told about the track surface, but were so desperate to spend the money that they didn't listen, and now it's wasted.

You'll enjoy phase 2 of the project though, Gribbet - running into the sheep and cattle blocking the path on a dark's winter's night as they lumber back and forth across the road. More egotistical lunancy that will see people and animals killed if this part of the plan is allowed to go ahead. Hopefully, the other parties will block this idea.

The point that you and your Green comrades always miss is that it is a matter of priorities. The Greens can always find officer time and funding for this sort of thing - being a vanity project - but as you admit, they can't sort out the basics, whether it be repairing pot-holes, collecting rubbish/recycling on schedule or providing road lighting fit for purpose.
It'll be fit for purpose for me and my bike, if Maxwell doesn't know what his bike is capable of, or he's afraid of it getting dirty, that's his loss.

I won't be cycling up there at night, but as for sheep and cattle, even better, this bike track is sounding better and better the more I hear about it!

Ever heard of Paris Roubaix Maxwell? It's 280km, they race over cobblestones, and yes they ride road bikes ('racers').
With all those cattle up there, I'm sure your bike will be getting suitably dirty. Who is going to walk or run in an area once it is covered in cow pats and sheep dung? They don't have this issue now.

More importantly, are you going to be volunteering to tell the families of those killed or maimed by cattle and sheep spooked across the road by bikes into the path of a car (or vice-versa) that their loved ones had to die to satisfy the urban farm fantasies of you and your fellow Greens?

Ironic really - there's a good farm at Stanmer Park that you could use, but that doesn't appeal....

Don't get too smug though. When they've stripped off the road markings, and there's a dense fog, to which the area is susceptible, you could be in danger too.
What the hell is going on in your head?

They're building a shared cycle/walking path. Have you ever ventured in to the countryside, or is it too much of a scary place for you to relax in?
[quote][p][bold]fredflintstone1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fredflintstone1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fredflintstone1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]her professional[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: It's an election, not a coup. Under our constitution an election for the convenorship takes place every year and it's usually contested.[/p][/quote]Yes, but don't you think it might be better, especially at this time, getting on and doing what the good people of Brighton elected you to do? The Green party so keen on spin and PR - if this is how it looks once spun, how on earth must it be internally. All this is a total distraction from doing what you have been elected and are paid to do i.e. RUN OUR CITY. Have you ANY idea how this looks to we council tax payers, not to mention millions of outsiders who look on in horror - or merely laugh at the plight of Brighton & Hove?[/p][/quote]Yes and of course no other political party has ever had any internal discussion or wrangling in the whole history of Brighton. Funny how there is massive pressure on our housing stock because people are desperate to move IN to Brighton & Hove (hence sky high property prices),and the local economy is buzzing by comparison with most towns and cities along the coast. No Council gets everything right, and I can't remember a time when Brighton Council was popular, no matter which party was in control. Local Government has no chance these days anyway, their budgets are cut and their powers taken away. They also tend to be punchbags for the shortcomings of national government ( eg prolonged recession = empty shops and tatty high streets).[/p][/quote]I'm sure that previous administrations have suffered from wrangling and in-fighting, but, rightly or wrongly, many of us expected better of the Greens. Judging the current administration by the low standards of their predecessors hardly makes them any better does it? I don't remember a time when my dustbin NEVER got emptied on the correct day - the recycling remained uncollected, never either were the road surfaces in the terrible condition they now are - and that affects ALL of us as we all throw away rubbish, put out recycling (sorry, many people have given up doing that) and use the roads. Whatever went on in this city in the past, the general services provided by the council were never as poor as they are now.[/p][/quote]Look at how the Greens are now trashing the wide green space alongside the Ditchling Road to put in a massive cycle lane from Woodbourne to Old Boat Corner, quite disconnected to any other, and with a surface that only mountain bikers will use!! This is inside the national park. Did they carry out a survey before embarking on this latest bout of wildlife destruction? This was one of the best places to see glowworms in the city. Meanwhile, they can't fill the pot holes in the city's roads, pick up rubbish/recycling on time or even provide street lighting that is fit for purpose. Perhaps instead of getting rid of Jason, they could just rebrand as Bikers R Us, rather than masquerading as green?[/p][/quote]Hadn't heard about that cycle trail, but that's excellent news and much needed. Unless it's 10m wide I'm guessing you're exaggerating when you call it 'wildlife destruction', I'm sure your glow worms won't have as much of a problem with people daring to ride bicycles as many car drivers seem to.[/p][/quote]Oh, and I've just read about it, it's actually a shared pedestrian cycle path funded with the help of the DfT (£337,000) and the Local Sustainable Transport Fund (£100,000), so this is money that couldn't be allocated for your potholes. It's also a gravel track, so you don't need a mountain bike, you can ride a racer on a gravel track with no problem at all. The idea is to provide safe access to the downs for pedestrians (including runners) and cyclists which sounds like a good thin g to me. The only way from town to the Downs that I'd deem safe at the moment is through the rugby club. You can expect this to be a very popular trail. I look forward to giving it a try.[/p][/quote]This path is likely to become a symbol of the Greens - completely disconnected (from the city), and as Maxwell's Ghost points out, unfit for purpose. They were told about the track surface, but were so desperate to spend the money that they didn't listen, and now it's wasted. You'll enjoy phase 2 of the project though, Gribbet - running into the sheep and cattle blocking the path on a dark's winter's night as they lumber back and forth across the road. More egotistical lunancy that will see people and animals killed if this part of the plan is allowed to go ahead. Hopefully, the other parties will block this idea. The point that you and your Green comrades always miss is that it is a matter of priorities. The Greens can always find officer time and funding for this sort of thing - being a vanity project - but as you admit, they can't sort out the basics, whether it be repairing pot-holes, collecting rubbish/recycling on schedule or providing road lighting fit for purpose.[/p][/quote]It'll be fit for purpose for me and my bike, if Maxwell doesn't know what his bike is capable of, or he's afraid of it getting dirty, that's his loss. I won't be cycling up there at night, but as for sheep and cattle, even better, this bike track is sounding better and better the more I hear about it! Ever heard of Paris Roubaix Maxwell? It's 280km, they race over cobblestones, and yes they ride road bikes ('racers').[/p][/quote]With all those cattle up there, I'm sure your bike will be getting suitably dirty. Who is going to walk or run in an area once it is covered in cow pats and sheep dung? They don't have this issue now. More importantly, are you going to be volunteering to tell the families of those killed or maimed by cattle and sheep spooked across the road by bikes into the path of a car (or vice-versa) that their loved ones had to die to satisfy the urban farm fantasies of you and your fellow Greens? Ironic really - there's a good farm at Stanmer Park that you could use, but that doesn't appeal.... Don't get too smug though. When they've stripped off the road markings, and there's a dense fog, to which the area is susceptible, you could be in danger too.[/p][/quote]What the hell is going on in your head? They're building a shared cycle/walking path. Have you ever ventured in to the countryside, or is it too much of a scary place for you to relax in? Gribbet
  • Score: -12

11:39am Thu 20 Feb 14

Gribbet says...

Richada wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
My wife runs a 5k at a pace of about 7mph. Are you serious, riding a road bike at 10mph.
Another silly idea. The road bikers will still be on the main Ditchling Road as they are on teh A259 and other routes. The old name for a road bike is a 'racer', the clue is in the name Gribbet.
There's more to cycling than racing all the time, people who want to race can stick to the road if they choose by all means. You really should try to enjoy cycling without maxing out all the time, take the time to relax and enjoy the scenery.
Now we have factions within the cycling community!

The Greens are going to tell us how slowly we have to cycle now.

Is there going to be a speed limit posted on pavements for pedestrians?

This is getting ever more ridiculous.
What is "The Cycling Community"?

I'm also not convinced Maxwell has ever been on a bicycle given the way he seems to attack anything cycling related at any opportunity.
[quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: My wife runs a 5k at a pace of about 7mph. Are you serious, riding a road bike at 10mph. Another silly idea. The road bikers will still be on the main Ditchling Road as they are on teh A259 and other routes. The old name for a road bike is a 'racer', the clue is in the name Gribbet.[/p][/quote]There's more to cycling than racing all the time, people who want to race can stick to the road if they choose by all means. You really should try to enjoy cycling without maxing out all the time, take the time to relax and enjoy the scenery.[/p][/quote]Now we have factions within the cycling community! The Greens are going to tell us how slowly we have to cycle now. Is there going to be a speed limit posted on pavements for pedestrians? This is getting ever more ridiculous.[/p][/quote]What is "The Cycling Community"? I'm also not convinced Maxwell has ever been on a bicycle given the way he seems to attack anything cycling related at any opportunity. Gribbet
  • Score: -13

12:00pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Richada says...

Gribbet wrote:
Richada wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
My wife runs a 5k at a pace of about 7mph. Are you serious, riding a road bike at 10mph.
Another silly idea. The road bikers will still be on the main Ditchling Road as they are on teh A259 and other routes. The old name for a road bike is a 'racer', the clue is in the name Gribbet.
There's more to cycling than racing all the time, people who want to race can stick to the road if they choose by all means. You really should try to enjoy cycling without maxing out all the time, take the time to relax and enjoy the scenery.
Now we have factions within the cycling community!

The Greens are going to tell us how slowly we have to cycle now.

Is there going to be a speed limit posted on pavements for pedestrians?

This is getting ever more ridiculous.
What is "The Cycling Community"?

I'm also not convinced Maxwell has ever been on a bicycle given the way he seems to attack anything cycling related at any opportunity.
Oh sorry....looks like you're on your own then.
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: My wife runs a 5k at a pace of about 7mph. Are you serious, riding a road bike at 10mph. Another silly idea. The road bikers will still be on the main Ditchling Road as they are on teh A259 and other routes. The old name for a road bike is a 'racer', the clue is in the name Gribbet.[/p][/quote]There's more to cycling than racing all the time, people who want to race can stick to the road if they choose by all means. You really should try to enjoy cycling without maxing out all the time, take the time to relax and enjoy the scenery.[/p][/quote]Now we have factions within the cycling community! The Greens are going to tell us how slowly we have to cycle now. Is there going to be a speed limit posted on pavements for pedestrians? This is getting ever more ridiculous.[/p][/quote]What is "The Cycling Community"? I'm also not convinced Maxwell has ever been on a bicycle given the way he seems to attack anything cycling related at any opportunity.[/p][/quote]Oh sorry....looks like you're on your own then. Richada
  • Score: 10

2:31pm Thu 20 Feb 14

ThinkBrighton says...

Valerie Paynter wrote:
davidcuddis@gmail.co

m
wrote:
Valerie Paynter should get her facts right before commenting. It was Labour who were responsible for the cycle lanes in The Drive and Grand Avenue. The Tories had hoped to remove them before the last local elections but sadly the Greens were voted in. David C.
Sorry but yu are wrong. It may have been initiated under Labour, it was implemented under the Tories.
This has got to be a very sad lady
[quote][p][bold]Valerie Paynter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]davidcuddis@gmail.co m[/bold] wrote: Valerie Paynter should get her facts right before commenting. It was Labour who were responsible for the cycle lanes in The Drive and Grand Avenue. The Tories had hoped to remove them before the last local elections but sadly the Greens were voted in. David C.[/p][/quote]Sorry but yu are wrong. It may have been initiated under Labour, it was implemented under the Tories.[/p][/quote]This has got to be a very sad lady ThinkBrighton
  • Score: 8

5:46pm Thu 20 Feb 14

ARMANA says...

uniteagainstparkingc
harges
wrote:
When he does eventually step-down, Kitcat will always be remembered for his failure to act during rubbish-gate.

Similarly to when the rubbish piled high, this Green councillor is a vile stench that just won't go away.

Like some kind of awful lingering **** or, if you will, a turd that won't flush.
Great Stuff, !! well put, ;)
[quote][p][bold]uniteagainstparkingc harges[/bold] wrote: When he does eventually step-down, Kitcat will always be remembered for his failure to act during rubbish-gate. Similarly to when the rubbish piled high, this Green councillor is a vile stench that just won't go away. Like some kind of awful lingering **** or, if you will, a turd that won't flush.[/p][/quote]Great Stuff, !! well put, ;) ARMANA
  • Score: 5

5:49pm Thu 20 Feb 14

ARMANA says...

phillucas wrote:
Why has everyone got it in for Mr Kitcat? He's got a lovely smile.
Yea, not for much longer,
[quote][p][bold]phillucas[/bold] wrote: Why has everyone got it in for Mr Kitcat? He's got a lovely smile.[/p][/quote]Yea, not for much longer, ARMANA
  • Score: 6

5:54pm Thu 20 Feb 14

dickpagebrighton says...

Warren Morgan wrote:
Andy R wrote:
So....correct me if I'm wrong....but what appears to be happening is that some Green Party members want the next Leader to elected on a one-member one vote system, rather than a system where councillors' votes count for more than ordinary members' votes as at present. This is presented as all the work of some disgruntled councillors who want Kitcat out....and are proposing to do this by watering down their own voting power??

My spidey-senses tell me this is a story spun into a nice frothy mix by Warren Morgan (and fair play to him), and the credulous Argus has happily gone along with it.
Er, no - I'm pretty busy trying to make sense of the Green budget and get to the bottom of how much that would cost to approve by referendum. Then I have to work on the i360 issue for the following week.

This one just came from the media who asked for a quote. It is Green councillors who want to change their own internal party rules because they are one vote short of removing Jason. No frothing needed from me.
Labour Cllr Morgan says he is still working out "how much would cost to approve by referendum". That's strange, he was on the telly earlier yesterday claiming he already knew the cost, which he claimed had shot up to 900 grand ...
When Labour ran the council, they often had much higher council tax increases than this 4.75% - but now they will vote with the Conservatives rather than try and protect services for the elderly, people with learning disabilities, etc ?
Come on, Warren, be constructive, let residents have a say !
[quote][p][bold]Warren Morgan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: So....correct me if I'm wrong....but what appears to be happening is that some Green Party members want the next Leader to elected on a one-member one vote system, rather than a system where councillors' votes count for more than ordinary members' votes as at present. This is presented as all the work of some disgruntled councillors who want Kitcat out....and are proposing to do this by watering down their own voting power?? My spidey-senses tell me this is a story spun into a nice frothy mix by Warren Morgan (and fair play to him), and the credulous Argus has happily gone along with it.[/p][/quote]Er, no - I'm pretty busy trying to make sense of the Green budget and get to the bottom of how much that would cost to approve by referendum. Then I have to work on the i360 issue for the following week. This one just came from the media who asked for a quote. It is Green councillors who want to change their own internal party rules because they are one vote short of removing Jason. No frothing needed from me.[/p][/quote]Labour Cllr Morgan says he is still working out "how much [the Green budget] would cost to approve by referendum". That's strange, he was on the telly earlier yesterday claiming he already knew the cost, which he claimed had shot up to 900 grand ... When Labour ran the council, they often had much higher council tax increases than this 4.75% - but now they will vote with the Conservatives rather than try and protect services for the elderly, people with learning disabilities, etc ? Come on, Warren, be constructive, let residents have a say ! dickpagebrighton
  • Score: -8

7:35pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

Gribbet you're a troll and google cut and paster. You've never hauled your pasty fat body onto a bike even if you claim you ride at 10mph admiring the traveller vans on Ditchling Road. Funny though.
Gribbet you're a troll and google cut and paster. You've never hauled your pasty fat body onto a bike even if you claim you ride at 10mph admiring the traveller vans on Ditchling Road. Funny though. Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: 11

5:02am Fri 21 Feb 14

dickpagebrighton says...

mimseycal wrote:
dickpagebrighton wrote:
I guess there will always be rumours, and some negative political point-scoring. But don't believe everything that you read !
Even if we could have done without the CityClean strike, that doesn't make the Greens unfit to govern - the aims of 1. fairer pay (as well as a "living wage") for all council workers, especially women and the low paid, and 2. good use of public money in controlling CityClean allowances, are starting to bear fruit. And the sighs are that the new refuse collection rounds are settling in more smoothly.
And why the rants against cycle lanes ? It is dangerous to cycle on some of our busy city roads, but if we get more people on bikes for shorter journeys, they will be healthier from the exercise, and there will be fewer cars on the roads, so less air pollution, asthma and serious accidents. The greens aren't anti-car; they just want ALL road users, including those many who don't drive (children, pedestrians, elderly people) to enjoy more civilised streets.
Then they want to be paying a lot more attention to the haphazard provision of dropped kerbs, the lack of though behind some of these scaffolding erections that go up left right and centre ... and yes, the lack of functional street lighting is a big problem for those of us less mobile. I am in a wheelchair and always have to factor in extra travel time because I never know what obstacles I am going to come across.
YES, let's not forget the many residents who have walking/ mobility difficulties. It just shows how many demands the council have on ever more limited funds; should it be spent more on pavements and dropped kerbs than potholes, for example ? Often car drivers (and I am one) seem to shout the loudest ... PS try The Fed (nothing to do with the police federation !) for a voice for disabled people that should be listened to.
[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dickpagebrighton[/bold] wrote: I guess there will always be rumours, and some negative political point-scoring. But don't believe everything that you read ! Even if we could have done without the CityClean strike, that doesn't make the Greens unfit to govern - the aims of 1. fairer pay (as well as a "living wage") for all council workers, especially women and the low paid, and 2. good use of public money in controlling CityClean allowances, are starting to bear fruit. And the sighs are that the new refuse collection rounds are settling in more smoothly. And why the rants against cycle lanes ? It is dangerous to cycle on some of our busy city roads, but if we get more people on bikes for shorter journeys, they will be healthier from the exercise, and there will be fewer cars on the roads, so less air pollution, asthma and serious accidents. The greens aren't anti-car; they just want ALL road users, including those many who don't drive (children, pedestrians, elderly people) to enjoy more civilised streets.[/p][/quote]Then they want to be paying a lot more attention to the haphazard provision of dropped kerbs, the lack of though behind some of these scaffolding erections that go up left right and centre ... and yes, the lack of functional street lighting is a big problem for those of us less mobile. I am in a wheelchair and always have to factor in extra travel time because I never know what obstacles I am going to come across.[/p][/quote]YES, let's not forget the many residents who have walking/ mobility difficulties. It just shows how many demands the council have on ever more limited funds; should it be spent more on pavements and dropped kerbs than potholes, for example ? Often car drivers (and I am one) seem to shout the loudest ... PS try The Fed (nothing to do with the police federation !) for a voice for disabled people that should be listened to. dickpagebrighton
  • Score: 1

8:23am Fri 21 Feb 14

hoveguyactually says...

davidcuddis@gmail.co
m
wrote:
Valerie Paynter should get her facts right before commenting. It was Labour who were responsible for the cycle lanes in The Drive and Grand Avenue. The Tories had hoped to remove them before the last local elections but sadly the Greens were voted in. David C.
But why did the Green Party spend a fortune on the cycle lanes along Old Shoreham Road? They are hardly used, far too wide and raised above road level, making it very difficult for motorists to drive into the main road from a side street. It is a typical example of the Green Party's vanity and arrogance, as well as a ludicrous waste of ratepayer's money. The sooner they are cleared out, like the rubbish that piles up whenever there is a dispute, the better.
[quote][p][bold]davidcuddis@gmail.co m[/bold] wrote: Valerie Paynter should get her facts right before commenting. It was Labour who were responsible for the cycle lanes in The Drive and Grand Avenue. The Tories had hoped to remove them before the last local elections but sadly the Greens were voted in. David C.[/p][/quote]But why did the Green Party spend a fortune on the cycle lanes along Old Shoreham Road? They are hardly used, far too wide and raised above road level, making it very difficult for motorists to drive into the main road from a side street. It is a typical example of the Green Party's vanity and arrogance, as well as a ludicrous waste of ratepayer's money. The sooner they are cleared out, like the rubbish that piles up whenever there is a dispute, the better. hoveguyactually
  • Score: 6

5:11pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Poem58 says...

hoveguyactually wrote:
davidcuddis@gmail.co

m
wrote:
Valerie Paynter should get her facts right before commenting. It was Labour who were responsible for the cycle lanes in The Drive and Grand Avenue. The Tories had hoped to remove them before the last local elections but sadly the Greens were voted in. David C.
But why did the Green Party spend a fortune on the cycle lanes along Old Shoreham Road? They are hardly used, far too wide and raised above road level, making it very difficult for motorists to drive into the main road from a side street. It is a typical example of the Green Party's vanity and arrogance, as well as a ludicrous waste of ratepayer's money. The sooner they are cleared out, like the rubbish that piles up whenever there is a dispute, the better.
Regardless of all the predictable anti Green stuff here, I have at least learned this much:

As a cyclist it is against my interests to vote Tory.

Thank you for that.
[quote][p][bold]hoveguyactually[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]davidcuddis@gmail.co m[/bold] wrote: Valerie Paynter should get her facts right before commenting. It was Labour who were responsible for the cycle lanes in The Drive and Grand Avenue. The Tories had hoped to remove them before the last local elections but sadly the Greens were voted in. David C.[/p][/quote]But why did the Green Party spend a fortune on the cycle lanes along Old Shoreham Road? They are hardly used, far too wide and raised above road level, making it very difficult for motorists to drive into the main road from a side street. It is a typical example of the Green Party's vanity and arrogance, as well as a ludicrous waste of ratepayer's money. The sooner they are cleared out, like the rubbish that piles up whenever there is a dispute, the better.[/p][/quote]Regardless of all the predictable anti Green stuff here, I have at least learned this much: As a cyclist it is against my interests to vote Tory. Thank you for that. Poem58
  • Score: -6

6:20pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Richada says...

Poem58 wrote:
hoveguyactually wrote:
davidcuddis@gmail.co


m
wrote:
Valerie Paynter should get her facts right before commenting. It was Labour who were responsible for the cycle lanes in The Drive and Grand Avenue. The Tories had hoped to remove them before the last local elections but sadly the Greens were voted in. David C.
But why did the Green Party spend a fortune on the cycle lanes along Old Shoreham Road? They are hardly used, far too wide and raised above road level, making it very difficult for motorists to drive into the main road from a side street. It is a typical example of the Green Party's vanity and arrogance, as well as a ludicrous waste of ratepayer's money. The sooner they are cleared out, like the rubbish that piles up whenever there is a dispute, the better.
Regardless of all the predictable anti Green stuff here, I have at least learned this much:

As a cyclist it is against my interests to vote Tory.

Thank you for that.
Really? The bulk of the money for your cycle lanes is coming from the Government - the cycle lanes in The Drive, Hove were actually put there before the Greens took control of the council.
[quote][p][bold]Poem58[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoveguyactually[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]davidcuddis@gmail.co m[/bold] wrote: Valerie Paynter should get her facts right before commenting. It was Labour who were responsible for the cycle lanes in The Drive and Grand Avenue. The Tories had hoped to remove them before the last local elections but sadly the Greens were voted in. David C.[/p][/quote]But why did the Green Party spend a fortune on the cycle lanes along Old Shoreham Road? They are hardly used, far too wide and raised above road level, making it very difficult for motorists to drive into the main road from a side street. It is a typical example of the Green Party's vanity and arrogance, as well as a ludicrous waste of ratepayer's money. The sooner they are cleared out, like the rubbish that piles up whenever there is a dispute, the better.[/p][/quote]Regardless of all the predictable anti Green stuff here, I have at least learned this much: As a cyclist it is against my interests to vote Tory. Thank you for that.[/p][/quote]Really? The bulk of the money for your cycle lanes is coming from the Government - the cycle lanes in The Drive, Hove were actually put there before the Greens took control of the council. Richada
  • Score: -1

1:03am Sat 22 Feb 14

Poem58 says...

Richada wrote:
Poem58 wrote:
hoveguyactually wrote:
davidcuddis@gmail.co



m
wrote:
Valerie Paynter should get her facts right before commenting. It was Labour who were responsible for the cycle lanes in The Drive and Grand Avenue. The Tories had hoped to remove them before the last local elections but sadly the Greens were voted in. David C.
But why did the Green Party spend a fortune on the cycle lanes along Old Shoreham Road? They are hardly used, far too wide and raised above road level, making it very difficult for motorists to drive into the main road from a side street. It is a typical example of the Green Party's vanity and arrogance, as well as a ludicrous waste of ratepayer's money. The sooner they are cleared out, like the rubbish that piles up whenever there is a dispute, the better.
Regardless of all the predictable anti Green stuff here, I have at least learned this much:

As a cyclist it is against my interests to vote Tory.

Thank you for that.
Really? The bulk of the money for your cycle lanes is coming from the Government - the cycle lanes in The Drive, Hove were actually put there before the Greens took control of the council.
The point I was making in a roundabout way was the never ending anti Green mantra here is bike = green = waste of money.
[quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Poem58[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoveguyactually[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]davidcuddis@gmail.co m[/bold] wrote: Valerie Paynter should get her facts right before commenting. It was Labour who were responsible for the cycle lanes in The Drive and Grand Avenue. The Tories had hoped to remove them before the last local elections but sadly the Greens were voted in. David C.[/p][/quote]But why did the Green Party spend a fortune on the cycle lanes along Old Shoreham Road? They are hardly used, far too wide and raised above road level, making it very difficult for motorists to drive into the main road from a side street. It is a typical example of the Green Party's vanity and arrogance, as well as a ludicrous waste of ratepayer's money. The sooner they are cleared out, like the rubbish that piles up whenever there is a dispute, the better.[/p][/quote]Regardless of all the predictable anti Green stuff here, I have at least learned this much: As a cyclist it is against my interests to vote Tory. Thank you for that.[/p][/quote]Really? The bulk of the money for your cycle lanes is coming from the Government - the cycle lanes in The Drive, Hove were actually put there before the Greens took control of the council.[/p][/quote]The point I was making in a roundabout way was the never ending anti Green mantra here is bike = green = waste of money. Poem58
  • Score: -2

11:28am Sat 22 Feb 14

Bluebeef says...

Instead of squabbling like a bunch of nine-year-olds in the playground why can the parties not all get together and get on with what is really needed in Brighton and Hove. It's pathetic and no wonder the young are utterly disillusioned with politics.
Instead of squabbling like a bunch of nine-year-olds in the playground why can the parties not all get together and get on with what is really needed in Brighton and Hove. It's pathetic and no wonder the young are utterly disillusioned with politics. Bluebeef
  • Score: 3

7:33pm Sun 23 Feb 14

Plantpot says...

Poem58 wrote:
Richada wrote:
Poem58 wrote:
hoveguyactually wrote:
davidcuddis@gmail.co




m
wrote:
Valerie Paynter should get her facts right before commenting. It was Labour who were responsible for the cycle lanes in The Drive and Grand Avenue. The Tories had hoped to remove them before the last local elections but sadly the Greens were voted in. David C.
But why did the Green Party spend a fortune on the cycle lanes along Old Shoreham Road? They are hardly used, far too wide and raised above road level, making it very difficult for motorists to drive into the main road from a side street. It is a typical example of the Green Party's vanity and arrogance, as well as a ludicrous waste of ratepayer's money. The sooner they are cleared out, like the rubbish that piles up whenever there is a dispute, the better.
Regardless of all the predictable anti Green stuff here, I have at least learned this much:

As a cyclist it is against my interests to vote Tory.

Thank you for that.
Really? The bulk of the money for your cycle lanes is coming from the Government - the cycle lanes in The Drive, Hove were actually put there before the Greens took control of the council.
The point I was making in a roundabout way was the never ending anti Green mantra here is bike = green = waste of money.
Two wheels good - four wheels bad
[quote][p][bold]Poem58[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Poem58[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoveguyactually[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]davidcuddis@gmail.co m[/bold] wrote: Valerie Paynter should get her facts right before commenting. It was Labour who were responsible for the cycle lanes in The Drive and Grand Avenue. The Tories had hoped to remove them before the last local elections but sadly the Greens were voted in. David C.[/p][/quote]But why did the Green Party spend a fortune on the cycle lanes along Old Shoreham Road? They are hardly used, far too wide and raised above road level, making it very difficult for motorists to drive into the main road from a side street. It is a typical example of the Green Party's vanity and arrogance, as well as a ludicrous waste of ratepayer's money. The sooner they are cleared out, like the rubbish that piles up whenever there is a dispute, the better.[/p][/quote]Regardless of all the predictable anti Green stuff here, I have at least learned this much: As a cyclist it is against my interests to vote Tory. Thank you for that.[/p][/quote]Really? The bulk of the money for your cycle lanes is coming from the Government - the cycle lanes in The Drive, Hove were actually put there before the Greens took control of the council.[/p][/quote]The point I was making in a roundabout way was the never ending anti Green mantra here is bike = green = waste of money.[/p][/quote]Two wheels good - four wheels bad Plantpot
  • Score: -1

7:35pm Sun 23 Feb 14

Plantpot says...

hoveguyactually wrote:
davidcuddis@gmail.co

m
wrote:
Valerie Paynter should get her facts right before commenting. It was Labour who were responsible for the cycle lanes in The Drive and Grand Avenue. The Tories had hoped to remove them before the last local elections but sadly the Greens were voted in. David C.
But why did the Green Party spend a fortune on the cycle lanes along Old Shoreham Road? They are hardly used, far too wide and raised above road level, making it very difficult for motorists to drive into the main road from a side street. It is a typical example of the Green Party's vanity and arrogance, as well as a ludicrous waste of ratepayer's money. The sooner they are cleared out, like the rubbish that piles up whenever there is a dispute, the better.
I supect the reason they were built that way was to make them ridiculously expensive to remove. 80% of cycling accidents happen at junctions, yet the overwhelming amount spent on cycling is away from the junctions. Odd.
[quote][p][bold]hoveguyactually[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]davidcuddis@gmail.co m[/bold] wrote: Valerie Paynter should get her facts right before commenting. It was Labour who were responsible for the cycle lanes in The Drive and Grand Avenue. The Tories had hoped to remove them before the last local elections but sadly the Greens were voted in. David C.[/p][/quote]But why did the Green Party spend a fortune on the cycle lanes along Old Shoreham Road? They are hardly used, far too wide and raised above road level, making it very difficult for motorists to drive into the main road from a side street. It is a typical example of the Green Party's vanity and arrogance, as well as a ludicrous waste of ratepayer's money. The sooner they are cleared out, like the rubbish that piles up whenever there is a dispute, the better.[/p][/quote]I supect the reason they were built that way was to make them ridiculously expensive to remove. 80% of cycling accidents happen at junctions, yet the overwhelming amount spent on cycling is away from the junctions. Odd. Plantpot
  • Score: 1

8:33pm Sun 23 Feb 14

ARMANA says...

Plantpot wrote:
Poem58 wrote:
Richada wrote:
Poem58 wrote:
hoveguyactually wrote:
davidcuddis@gmail.co





m
wrote:
Valerie Paynter should get her facts right before commenting. It was Labour who were responsible for the cycle lanes in The Drive and Grand Avenue. The Tories had hoped to remove them before the last local elections but sadly the Greens were voted in. David C.
But why did the Green Party spend a fortune on the cycle lanes along Old Shoreham Road? They are hardly used, far too wide and raised above road level, making it very difficult for motorists to drive into the main road from a side street. It is a typical example of the Green Party's vanity and arrogance, as well as a ludicrous waste of ratepayer's money. The sooner they are cleared out, like the rubbish that piles up whenever there is a dispute, the better.
Regardless of all the predictable anti Green stuff here, I have at least learned this much:

As a cyclist it is against my interests to vote Tory.

Thank you for that.
Really? The bulk of the money for your cycle lanes is coming from the Government - the cycle lanes in The Drive, Hove were actually put there before the Greens took control of the council.
The point I was making in a roundabout way was the never ending anti Green mantra here is bike = green = waste of money.
Two wheels good - four wheels bad
That depends on whether its winter or summer, & if its pi55in down with rain, with a force 8 gale behind it Bud,
[quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Poem58[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Poem58[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoveguyactually[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]davidcuddis@gmail.co m[/bold] wrote: Valerie Paynter should get her facts right before commenting. It was Labour who were responsible for the cycle lanes in The Drive and Grand Avenue. The Tories had hoped to remove them before the last local elections but sadly the Greens were voted in. David C.[/p][/quote]But why did the Green Party spend a fortune on the cycle lanes along Old Shoreham Road? They are hardly used, far too wide and raised above road level, making it very difficult for motorists to drive into the main road from a side street. It is a typical example of the Green Party's vanity and arrogance, as well as a ludicrous waste of ratepayer's money. The sooner they are cleared out, like the rubbish that piles up whenever there is a dispute, the better.[/p][/quote]Regardless of all the predictable anti Green stuff here, I have at least learned this much: As a cyclist it is against my interests to vote Tory. Thank you for that.[/p][/quote]Really? The bulk of the money for your cycle lanes is coming from the Government - the cycle lanes in The Drive, Hove were actually put there before the Greens took control of the council.[/p][/quote]The point I was making in a roundabout way was the never ending anti Green mantra here is bike = green = waste of money.[/p][/quote]Two wheels good - four wheels bad[/p][/quote]That depends on whether its winter or summer, & if its pi55in down with rain, with a force 8 gale behind it Bud, ARMANA
  • Score: 0

11:00am Mon 3 Mar 14

Time to move says...

pjwilk wrote:
Brighton Councils have always been rubbish,we are the only city with no proper ice rink for our kids,it was promised over 50 yrs ago.They are a discrace having ruined the city with stupid bus lanes etc.Do something that the people want and pay their taxes for.Greens and global warming is just a money making scam.
Ice rink? We don't even have a modern cinema! (Duke Of York excepted).
[quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: Brighton Councils have always been rubbish,we are the only city with no proper ice rink for our kids,it was promised over 50 yrs ago.They are a discrace having ruined the city with stupid bus lanes etc.Do something that the people want and pay their taxes for.Greens and global warming is just a money making scam.[/p][/quote]Ice rink? We don't even have a modern cinema! (Duke Of York excepted). Time to move
  • Score: 0

11:08am Mon 3 Mar 14

Bluebeef says...

Now that is an interesting idea: an ice rink to combat global warming
Now that is an interesting idea: an ice rink to combat global warming Bluebeef
  • Score: 0

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