The ArgusProposed £4m late-night levy slammed by Brighton nightclubs (From The Argus)

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Proposed £4m late-night levy slammed by Brighton nightclubs

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Nightclub owners and pub bosses have warned that a late-night levy could hold back Brighton and Hove’s famed after dark economy.

Proposals for a late-night levy which could raise up to £4 million a year to cover the costs of policing and clearing up after the late-night revellers were discussed by Brighton and Hove City Council’s licensing committee last week.

The council has agreed to put the proposals on hold and monitor the success of similar schemes elsewhere in the country before proceeding further.

The levy could potentially affect more than 350 venues across the city which currently remain open past midnight.

Venues could be made to pay annual fees of up to £1,500 depending on their size.

Concerns raised about the proposals in the council report included fears that will not counter so-called “pre-loading” of alcohol before customers head out for an evening and even “aggravate” the situation.

Council officials also warned about the economic effects of the levy on businesses and the fairness of passing the burden onto venues rather than the community as a whole.

Albie Saliba, director of VIP super club Shooshh in Kings Road in Brighton, said: “Brighton is known for its nightlife which attracts people from all over the country, there are not many places where you can party until six, and a levy risks damaging that economy.

“I appreciate that it can take up a lot of the police’s time but I don’t think it’s fair that we should bear all the burden.

“People come to our clubs already preloaded with alcohol they bought from their off-licences, if we have to pay why not the off-licences too?

“The industry we are in is already struggling ever since the decision to allow pubs to open later which forces us to stay open later to attract customers.”

Martin Webb, who owns several pubs in the city including The Stoneham, The Connaught and The Robin Hood, said the levy was a “terrible and unfair idea” that threatened to kill the goose that laid the golden egg.

He said: “The late night economy is already fragile and this could be the straw that breaks the camel’s back.

“We already pay high rents, high business rates and we pay good wages, so anything that brings additional costs is not good.

“90% of venues don’t cause any problems for the police so any levy should focus on the small minority of venues that do draw on police and council resources.”

A Brighton and Hove City Council spokeswoman said: “Brighton and Hove City Council is not currently considering the introduction of a late night levy for the city.

“Officers and partners will continue to monitor trends in the city relating to crime and disorder.

“Only one local authority, Newcastle, introduced a late night levy in November 2013 and officers will evaluate the effectiveness of the levy in Newcastle after a year of operation.”

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6:15am Tue 11 Mar 14

mark by the sea says...

So bars and clubs pay up to £1500 a year? That would be for the biggest venue that holds say 500 people, or over a year 52,000 that's assuming club is open and full two nights a week, the levy could be raised by either 20p on the entrance fee or a few pence on a drink.. Infact the levy could be profitable as a excuse to raise prices,
So bars and clubs pay up to £1500 a year? That would be for the biggest venue that holds say 500 people, or over a year 52,000 that's assuming club is open and full two nights a week, the levy could be raised by either 20p on the entrance fee or a few pence on a drink.. Infact the levy could be profitable as a excuse to raise prices, mark by the sea
  • Score: 18

7:49am Tue 11 Mar 14

rogerthefish says...

Why not as a % of business rates and after 2am increase by the hour in the summer months, these club such as swoosh are coining it in during the summer months with the residents having to pay for the extra policing......
of course they are going to oppose it what turkey ever voted for christmas.
Why not as a % of business rates and after 2am increase by the hour in the summer months, these club such as swoosh are coining it in during the summer months with the residents having to pay for the extra policing...... of course they are going to oppose it what turkey ever voted for christmas. rogerthefish
  • Score: 17

7:52am Tue 11 Mar 14

BURIRAM says...

We don't need this dark economy from the students, We want a great city with visitors and local residents made to feel safe and able to enjoy themselves. Who needs to drink until 6am? People drinking all night will be sleeping during the day so won't be spending money in the city's daytime establishments.
We don't need this dark economy from the students, We want a great city with visitors and local residents made to feel safe and able to enjoy themselves. Who needs to drink until 6am? People drinking all night will be sleeping during the day so won't be spending money in the city's daytime establishments. BURIRAM
  • Score: 12

7:53am Tue 11 Mar 14

cliff.smogo says...

Late night venues already have to pay - by order of the council - for security staff (either mobile security or door staff), precisely to reduce the cost of policing. The result is that, on the rare occasions that there is any trouble, it's dealt with by pre-paid security staff rather than the police. This late night levy would just make venues pay for the same thing twice.
Late night venues already have to pay - by order of the council - for security staff (either mobile security or door staff), precisely to reduce the cost of policing. The result is that, on the rare occasions that there is any trouble, it's dealt with by pre-paid security staff rather than the police. This late night levy would just make venues pay for the same thing twice. cliff.smogo
  • Score: -17

7:58am Tue 11 Mar 14

mark by the sea says...

cliff.smogo wrote:
Late night venues already have to pay - by order of the council - for security staff (either mobile security or door staff), precisely to reduce the cost of policing. The result is that, on the rare occasions that there is any trouble, it's dealt with by pre-paid security staff rather than the police. This late night levy would just make venues pay for the same thing twice.
No, the security stop trouble inside the clubs, but having drunks coming out of places at 6 am means police need to out in town stopping them fighting or peeing up walls.
[quote][p][bold]cliff.smogo[/bold] wrote: Late night venues already have to pay - by order of the council - for security staff (either mobile security or door staff), precisely to reduce the cost of policing. The result is that, on the rare occasions that there is any trouble, it's dealt with by pre-paid security staff rather than the police. This late night levy would just make venues pay for the same thing twice.[/p][/quote]No, the security stop trouble inside the clubs, but having drunks coming out of places at 6 am means police need to out in town stopping them fighting or peeing up walls. mark by the sea
  • Score: 24

8:06am Tue 11 Mar 14

brightonaire says...

How about a levy on the Landlords of students who don't pay Council tax, including the halls of residence, who are making around £100 a week per student in rent, yet pay nothing for local services as well as having a detrimental effect on property prices and the areas that they populate?
How about a levy on the Landlords of students who don't pay Council tax, including the halls of residence, who are making around £100 a week per student in rent, yet pay nothing for local services as well as having a detrimental effect on property prices and the areas that they populate? brightonaire
  • Score: 28

8:15am Tue 11 Mar 14

rogerthefish says...

WARNING WARNING Concorde 2, here's a classic...so Friday night in December we go to see a Who cover band for a friends 50th birthday (30 people) -so assuming the bands going to start at 9 to 930 we turn up at 9 to be greeted by signs "LAST ORDERS AT 9-50" and yes that's what happens one encore at 10 band finished at 10-10 with curtain closing across stage and lights on, followed by the goon looking bouncers saying thank you and ushering everyone towards the door---the reason is a night club starts at 11am....so anyway we all have a pact to avoid the place and with a net worth and same amount in shareholders funds of £377,000(accounts up to 31 Dec 2012) they can certainly afford to give a little bit more to Police the place.
WARNING WARNING Concorde 2, here's a classic...so Friday night in December we go to see a Who cover band for a friends 50th birthday (30 people) -so assuming the bands going to start at 9 to 930 we turn up at 9 to be greeted by signs "LAST ORDERS AT 9-50" and yes that's what happens one encore at 10 band finished at 10-10 with curtain closing across stage and lights on, followed by the goon looking bouncers saying thank you and ushering everyone towards the door---the reason is a night club starts at 11am....so anyway we all have a pact to avoid the place and with a net worth and same amount in shareholders funds of £377,000(accounts up to 31 Dec 2012) they can certainly afford to give a little bit more to Police the place. rogerthefish
  • Score: 5

9:20am Tue 11 Mar 14

spa301 says...

I find it hard to understand why the night clubs think they're not responsible.
It's the first time I've heard of the phrase 'after dark economy' Who exactly does this economy favour? Night club owners, fast food outlets, bouncers and off licences.
Who does it cost? Us the council tax payers who have to pay for the police and the constant clear up operation.
If you're happy to make the profits then pay the levies or take your business's elsewhere.
I find it hard to understand why the night clubs think they're not responsible. It's the first time I've heard of the phrase 'after dark economy' Who exactly does this economy favour? Night club owners, fast food outlets, bouncers and off licences. Who does it cost? Us the council tax payers who have to pay for the police and the constant clear up operation. If you're happy to make the profits then pay the levies or take your business's elsewhere. spa301
  • Score: 15

10:17am Tue 11 Mar 14

roystony says...

Is that an Indian restaurant?
Is that an Indian restaurant? roystony
  • Score: -3

10:39am Tue 11 Mar 14

clubrob6 says...

To cover the cost of policing?????Anyone out and about on our streets after dark knows the sight of a visable policeman is very very rare.The nightlife is policed by private door security backed up by private security in cars parked where police cars used to park.Outside Dr Brightons pub you quite often see several of these private security cars.Crime is officially down but anyone out and about at night knows crime is up its just that we have very few police on duty to record any crime,local police stations have closed down and the polices online report form gets ignored as I found out.The night time economy is very important to B&H and is already struggling with supermarkets open all night selling cheap booze and other things like the smoking ban.Lets face it its not the nightclubs and late bars that are regulated but the late 24hr shops and supermarkets that should face a late night levy as they are the ones that are selling cheap booze that's left on the beach ETC.If a levy is charged on the nightlife it wouls simply make them even more unviable and increase the trade of the 24 hr shops selling booze.Perhaps if police got out of there cars and policed the streets the vast majority of problems would not exist,and just perhaps if the real culprits of the problem of the mess on the beach the supermarkets were charged a levy and perhaps stopped selling booze 24 hrs it would help the situation.
To cover the cost of policing?????Anyone out and about on our streets after dark knows the sight of a visable policeman is very very rare.The nightlife is policed by private door security backed up by private security in cars parked where police cars used to park.Outside Dr Brightons pub you quite often see several of these private security cars.Crime is officially down but anyone out and about at night knows crime is up its just that we have very few police on duty to record any crime,local police stations have closed down and the polices online report form gets ignored as I found out.The night time economy is very important to B&H and is already struggling with supermarkets open all night selling cheap booze and other things like the smoking ban.Lets face it its not the nightclubs and late bars that are regulated but the late 24hr shops and supermarkets that should face a late night levy as they are the ones that are selling cheap booze that's left on the beach ETC.If a levy is charged on the nightlife it wouls simply make them even more unviable and increase the trade of the 24 hr shops selling booze.Perhaps if police got out of there cars and policed the streets the vast majority of problems would not exist,and just perhaps if the real culprits of the problem of the mess on the beach the supermarkets were charged a levy and perhaps stopped selling booze 24 hrs it would help the situation. clubrob6
  • Score: -1

10:48am Tue 11 Mar 14

clubrob6 says...

spa301 wrote:
I find it hard to understand why the night clubs think they're not responsible.
It's the first time I've heard of the phrase 'after dark economy' Who exactly does this economy favour? Night club owners, fast food outlets, bouncers and off licences.
Who does it cost? Us the council tax payers who have to pay for the police and the constant clear up operation.
If you're happy to make the profits then pay the levies or take your business's elsewhere.
The mess on the beaches ETC is takeaway food,and booze bought in 24hr shops,none of the rubbish is from the late pubs and clubs.So if a levy is charged the takeaway and late shops should bare the brunt.The nightlife is policed by private security backed up by private security,perhaps the police should get out of the cars and actually do there job,they have just about closed down worthings night time economy I suppose now its brightons turn.
[quote][p][bold]spa301[/bold] wrote: I find it hard to understand why the night clubs think they're not responsible. It's the first time I've heard of the phrase 'after dark economy' Who exactly does this economy favour? Night club owners, fast food outlets, bouncers and off licences. Who does it cost? Us the council tax payers who have to pay for the police and the constant clear up operation. If you're happy to make the profits then pay the levies or take your business's elsewhere.[/p][/quote]The mess on the beaches ETC is takeaway food,and booze bought in 24hr shops,none of the rubbish is from the late pubs and clubs.So if a levy is charged the takeaway and late shops should bare the brunt.The nightlife is policed by private security backed up by private security,perhaps the police should get out of the cars and actually do there job,they have just about closed down worthings night time economy I suppose now its brightons turn. clubrob6
  • Score: 0

11:34am Tue 11 Mar 14

whatevernext2013 says...

all this from a council that wants to loan money to build a tower ,but close down the city after dark
all this from a council that wants to loan money to build a tower ,but close down the city after dark whatevernext2013
  • Score: -1

1:00pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Roundbill says...

lol "VIP super club Shooshh"
lol "VIP super club Shooshh" Roundbill
  • Score: 7

1:42pm Tue 11 Mar 14

uniteagainstparkingcharges says...

rogerthefish wrote:
WARNING WARNING Concorde 2, here's a classic...so Friday night in December we go to see a Who cover band for a friends 50th birthday (30 people) -so assuming the bands going to start at 9 to 930 we turn up at 9 to be greeted by signs "LAST ORDERS AT 9-50" and yes that's what happens one encore at 10 band finished at 10-10 with curtain closing across stage and lights on, followed by the goon looking bouncers saying thank you and ushering everyone towards the door---the reason is a night club starts at 11am....so anyway we all have a pact to avoid the place and with a net worth and same amount in shareholders funds of £377,000(accounts up to 31 Dec 2012) they can certainly afford to give a little bit more to Police the place.
You know what they say about assumption?

Concorde 2 is one of Brighton's most popular venues and on most Friday nights the club operates in the exact same way. One early evening act (usually a band) playing from 7-10:30 followed by a another club night 11- 4.

One quick glance on their website would have confirmed this for you but instead you look to blame the venue for your own lack of common sense.

Also, "Vip Super-club Shoosssh". hahahaha
[quote][p][bold]rogerthefish[/bold] wrote: WARNING WARNING Concorde 2, here's a classic...so Friday night in December we go to see a Who cover band for a friends 50th birthday (30 people) -so assuming the bands going to start at 9 to 930 we turn up at 9 to be greeted by signs "LAST ORDERS AT 9-50" and yes that's what happens one encore at 10 band finished at 10-10 with curtain closing across stage and lights on, followed by the goon looking bouncers saying thank you and ushering everyone towards the door---the reason is a night club starts at 11am....so anyway we all have a pact to avoid the place and with a net worth and same amount in shareholders funds of £377,000(accounts up to 31 Dec 2012) they can certainly afford to give a little bit more to Police the place.[/p][/quote]You know what they say about assumption? Concorde 2 is one of Brighton's most popular venues and on most Friday nights the club operates in the exact same way. One early evening act (usually a band) playing from 7-10:30 followed by a another club night 11- 4. One quick glance on their website would have confirmed this for you but instead you look to blame the venue for your own lack of common sense. Also, "Vip Super-club Shoosssh". hahahaha uniteagainstparkingcharges
  • Score: 4

1:54pm Tue 11 Mar 14

DC Brighton says...

Roundbill wrote:
lol "VIP super club Shooshh"
That made me smile as well! Nothing like a bit of free promotion by the Argus. If any of the recent stories about this place are to be believed, it is anything but....
[quote][p][bold]Roundbill[/bold] wrote: lol "VIP super club Shooshh"[/p][/quote]That made me smile as well! Nothing like a bit of free promotion by the Argus. If any of the recent stories about this place are to be believed, it is anything but.... DC Brighton
  • Score: 7

9:22pm Tue 11 Mar 14

sugar man says...

Roundbill wrote:
lol "VIP super club Shooshh"
that had me in stitches too!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Roundbill[/bold] wrote: lol "VIP super club Shooshh"[/p][/quote]that had me in stitches too!!!! sugar man
  • Score: 2

6:42am Wed 12 Mar 14

Darcstar says...

BURIRAM wrote:
We don't need this dark economy from the students, We want a great city with visitors and local residents made to feel safe and able to enjoy themselves. Who needs to drink until 6am? People drinking all night will be sleeping during the day so won't be spending money in the city's daytime establishments.
you 'consumers' are so funny ;')...

Is that your job as a human ? To make sure your fresh enough in the day to spend money ?? You mustn't get drunk one night just in case you cannot spend money the next day in the sweat shop organised minimum wage slave trade corporate shops ?

HA HA HA ... no wonder our country is such an apathetic wasteland....
[quote][p][bold]BURIRAM[/bold] wrote: We don't need this dark economy from the students, We want a great city with visitors and local residents made to feel safe and able to enjoy themselves. Who needs to drink until 6am? People drinking all night will be sleeping during the day so won't be spending money in the city's daytime establishments.[/p][/quote]you 'consumers' are so funny ;')... Is that your job as a human ? To make sure your fresh enough in the day to spend money ?? You mustn't get drunk one night just in case you cannot spend money the next day in the sweat shop organised minimum wage slave trade corporate shops ? HA HA HA ... no wonder our country is such an apathetic wasteland.... Darcstar
  • Score: -1

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