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UKIP sets sights on election wins in Brighton and Hove

The Argus: Nigel Carter Nigel Carter

UKIP has described Brighton and Hove as the “ideal spot” for the party to win seats at next year’s general  election – despite its reputation as  being a liberal city.

The party made the claim after it  selected its candidates who will contest  seats for the party in 2015.

Nigel Carter, Ian Buchannan and Clive Hickman were officially announced as UKIP parliamentary candidates for  Brighton and Hove.

With a reputation as a lefty save haven, Brighton may not seem the most obvious  choice for UKIP to contest.

But according to its new candidates, the city’s conservative base is ripe for the picking by a party that makes its stand as being against the norm.

Nigel Carter: “This is our ideal spot. People around the country tell me ‘you’ve got  a struggle, there’s a lot of lefties down  there’. We don’t accept that, or the left versus right argument because it’s too elastic,  it means different things to people in different times. It’s totally ineffective and misleading.”

Asked if he thought his party had a  chance next year, Mr Hickman said: “I think they do, because I’m running for Hove and it’s traditionally a Conservative area and we  know the Conservatives are haemorrhaging  support at grass roots level.”

Ian Buchannan, current East Sussex county councillor and prospective MP for Kemptown added his party was “the only way for the country to move forward”.

 

 

With the party’s candidates now installed and on the campaign trail the  only question remains for UKIP is if they’ll have any impact on the public vote.

Current Conservative Hove and Portslade MP Mike Weatherley said: “I do feel  that my own party is making the case well  that voting Conservative is the only way to  get the referendum that potential UKIP  voters want so much. Voting UKIP is more  likely to result in a Labour government
with no referendum after all.”

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6:09am Fri 14 Mar 14

Green_Girl_1990 says...

Vote for the best! ALWAYS the best!

Vote Jason Kitcat! Vote Caroline Lucas and Brighton Green Party!
Vote for the best! ALWAYS the best! Vote Jason Kitcat! Vote Caroline Lucas and Brighton Green Party! Green_Girl_1990
  • Score: -81

6:56am Fri 14 Mar 14

Simon Philips says...

UKIP!
New kid on the block!
Will I vote for them?
A Party that says in its manifesto , that they would privatise the NHS?
A Party that says in its manifesto, that EVERYONE, rich and poor, will pay the same 30% tax?
The hell I will!!!
UKIP! New kid on the block! Will I vote for them? A Party that says in its manifesto , that they would privatise the NHS? A Party that says in its manifesto, that EVERYONE, rich and poor, will pay the same 30% tax? The hell I will!!! Simon Philips
  • Score: -12

6:58am Fri 14 Mar 14

Simon Philips says...

Vote Green with all the new surveillance cameras they've put up spying on people?
They can go to hell too!
Vote Green with all the new surveillance cameras they've put up spying on people? They can go to hell too! Simon Philips
  • Score: 39

7:21am Fri 14 Mar 14

HJarrs says...

Simon Philips wrote:
Vote Green with all the new surveillance cameras they've put up spying on people?
They can go to hell too!
Which surveillance cameras? I think you will find that the previous Labour government introduced millions (3 million comes to mind) surveillance cameras, aided and abetted GCHQ and the NSA in spying on every phone call, email and video feed (the only thing preventing complete surveillance being limitations of technology) and wanted to introduce ID cards at a cost north of £10 billion. Now that is something to worry about and many of you want them returned to power!
[quote][p][bold]Simon Philips[/bold] wrote: Vote Green with all the new surveillance cameras they've put up spying on people? They can go to hell too![/p][/quote]Which surveillance cameras? I think you will find that the previous Labour government introduced millions (3 million comes to mind) surveillance cameras, aided and abetted GCHQ and the NSA in spying on every phone call, email and video feed (the only thing preventing complete surveillance being limitations of technology) and wanted to introduce ID cards at a cost north of £10 billion. Now that is something to worry about and many of you want them returned to power! HJarrs
  • Score: -16

7:29am Fri 14 Mar 14

HJarrs says...

UKIP are a dangerous party funded by a small number of wealthy donors. Their MEPs have wasted their time in Europe, while maxing out the expenses and if their presence increases after the Euro elections they will continue to obstruct reform.

It time the electorate woke up and saw this climate sceptic party for what it is.
UKIP are a dangerous party funded by a small number of wealthy donors. Their MEPs have wasted their time in Europe, while maxing out the expenses and if their presence increases after the Euro elections they will continue to obstruct reform. It time the electorate woke up and saw this climate sceptic party for what it is. HJarrs
  • Score: -21

7:39am Fri 14 Mar 14

gozogull says...

Green_Girl_1990 wrote:
Vote for the best! ALWAYS the best!

Vote Jason Kitcat! Vote Caroline Lucas and Brighton Green Party!
Do you really believe Caroline Lucas is going to put her hat in the ring again only to come out of it looking a right fool when she knows she stands to lose her seat by a massive landslide.
As for Kitcat he'll probably move on to **** up some other unsuspecting town with his crazy green ideals.
[quote][p][bold]Green_Girl_1990[/bold] wrote: Vote for the best! ALWAYS the best! Vote Jason Kitcat! Vote Caroline Lucas and Brighton Green Party![/p][/quote]Do you really believe Caroline Lucas is going to put her hat in the ring again only to come out of it looking a right fool when she knows she stands to lose her seat by a massive landslide. As for Kitcat he'll probably move on to **** up some other unsuspecting town with his crazy green ideals. gozogull
  • Score: 40

8:03am Fri 14 Mar 14

ourcoalition says...

Prediction - UKIP win a seat here - not a chance! Unless they enter the DFS weekly draw.
Prediction - UKIP win a seat here - not a chance! Unless they enter the DFS weekly draw. ourcoalition
  • Score: 0

8:17am Fri 14 Mar 14

pachallis says...

Green_Girl_1990 wrote:
Vote for the best! ALWAYS the best!

Vote Jason Kitcat! Vote Caroline Lucas and Brighton Green Party!
@Green_Girl_1990 - thanks for this - it has convinced me to vote green - not!

Please vote for ANY party except the greens - get rid of these ideological, irresponsible, immature idiots.

Be very careful to check ALL their manifestos.
[quote][p][bold]Green_Girl_1990[/bold] wrote: Vote for the best! ALWAYS the best! Vote Jason Kitcat! Vote Caroline Lucas and Brighton Green Party![/p][/quote]@Green_Girl_1990 - thanks for this - it has convinced me to vote green - not! Please vote for ANY party except the greens - get rid of these ideological, irresponsible, immature idiots. Be very careful to check ALL their manifestos. pachallis
  • Score: 35

8:29am Fri 14 Mar 14

pachallis says...

HJarrs wrote:
UKIP are a dangerous party funded by a small number of wealthy donors. Their MEPs have wasted their time in Europe, while maxing out the expenses and if their presence increases after the Euro elections they will continue to obstruct reform.

It time the electorate woke up and saw this climate sceptic party for what it is.
@HJ - of course we all know what the progressive mash-up of green activists with differing plans and objectives, with no 'leader' (only a 'spineless convener)' has achieved in Brighton and Hove?

Don't forget to remind us about 20 mph zones and the resultant increased pollution in the city, little used cycle lanes, MX and gender neutral toilets, the refuse collection strikes and how Kitkat hid in the Town Hall refusing to go to talk to strikers, and how the greens expel Christians who might have their own beliefs.

First rule of marketing - focus on promoting what the greens have actually achieved (I'll provide the postage stamp) rather than talking about the failings of any competition.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: UKIP are a dangerous party funded by a small number of wealthy donors. Their MEPs have wasted their time in Europe, while maxing out the expenses and if their presence increases after the Euro elections they will continue to obstruct reform. It time the electorate woke up and saw this climate sceptic party for what it is.[/p][/quote]@HJ - of course we all know what the progressive mash-up of green activists with differing plans and objectives, with no 'leader' (only a 'spineless convener)' has achieved in Brighton and Hove? Don't forget to remind us about 20 mph zones and the resultant increased pollution in the city, little used cycle lanes, MX and gender neutral toilets, the refuse collection strikes and how Kitkat hid in the Town Hall refusing to go to talk to strikers, and how the greens expel Christians who might have their own beliefs. First rule of marketing - focus on promoting what the greens have actually achieved (I'll provide the postage stamp) rather than talking about the failings of any competition. pachallis
  • Score: 33

8:54am Fri 14 Mar 14

Fight_Back says...

Simon Philips wrote:
Vote Green with all the new surveillance cameras they've put up spying on people?
They can go to hell too!
As someone who is attempting to get CCTV put into a local park to deal with drug dealing I can categorically confirm that the Greens are NOT putting up surveillance cameras - apparently there is no money to do so !!!
[quote][p][bold]Simon Philips[/bold] wrote: Vote Green with all the new surveillance cameras they've put up spying on people? They can go to hell too![/p][/quote]As someone who is attempting to get CCTV put into a local park to deal with drug dealing I can categorically confirm that the Greens are NOT putting up surveillance cameras - apparently there is no money to do so !!! Fight_Back
  • Score: 18

8:57am Fri 14 Mar 14

Fight_Back says...

I find it strange that people automatically tag UKIP with being right wing. Their main aim is withdrawal from the EU.

We've lost two public figures this week that utterly agreed with this aim - Bob Crow and Tony Benn - would anyone dare to suggest they were anything but hardened socialists ?
I find it strange that people automatically tag UKIP with being right wing. Their main aim is withdrawal from the EU. We've lost two public figures this week that utterly agreed with this aim - Bob Crow and Tony Benn - would anyone dare to suggest they were anything but hardened socialists ? Fight_Back
  • Score: 25

8:58am Fri 14 Mar 14

HJarrs says...

pachallis wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
UKIP are a dangerous party funded by a small number of wealthy donors. Their MEPs have wasted their time in Europe, while maxing out the expenses and if their presence increases after the Euro elections they will continue to obstruct reform.

It time the electorate woke up and saw this climate sceptic party for what it is.
@HJ - of course we all know what the progressive mash-up of green activists with differing plans and objectives, with no 'leader' (only a 'spineless convener)' has achieved in Brighton and Hove?

Don't forget to remind us about 20 mph zones and the resultant increased pollution in the city, little used cycle lanes, MX and gender neutral toilets, the refuse collection strikes and how Kitkat hid in the Town Hall refusing to go to talk to strikers, and how the greens expel Christians who might have their own beliefs.

First rule of marketing - focus on promoting what the greens have actually achieved (I'll provide the postage stamp) rather than talking about the failings of any competition.
I notice you don't challenge my points about UKIP.

I am pleased to be a member of a party that can regularly hold its executive to account by democratic means, something unique to the Greens and a concept alien to you UKIPers. You are a one man party. Farage dictates everything and that is not a party suitable to hold any power. It is the UKIP and conservative view of many in England that is causing so much support in Scotland for separatism.
[quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: UKIP are a dangerous party funded by a small number of wealthy donors. Their MEPs have wasted their time in Europe, while maxing out the expenses and if their presence increases after the Euro elections they will continue to obstruct reform. It time the electorate woke up and saw this climate sceptic party for what it is.[/p][/quote]@HJ - of course we all know what the progressive mash-up of green activists with differing plans and objectives, with no 'leader' (only a 'spineless convener)' has achieved in Brighton and Hove? Don't forget to remind us about 20 mph zones and the resultant increased pollution in the city, little used cycle lanes, MX and gender neutral toilets, the refuse collection strikes and how Kitkat hid in the Town Hall refusing to go to talk to strikers, and how the greens expel Christians who might have their own beliefs. First rule of marketing - focus on promoting what the greens have actually achieved (I'll provide the postage stamp) rather than talking about the failings of any competition.[/p][/quote]I notice you don't challenge my points about UKIP. I am pleased to be a member of a party that can regularly hold its executive to account by democratic means, something unique to the Greens and a concept alien to you UKIPers. You are a one man party. Farage dictates everything and that is not a party suitable to hold any power. It is the UKIP and conservative view of many in England that is causing so much support in Scotland for separatism. HJarrs
  • Score: -30

9:15am Fri 14 Mar 14

pachallis says...

HJarrs wrote:
pachallis wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
UKIP are a dangerous party funded by a small number of wealthy donors. Their MEPs have wasted their time in Europe, while maxing out the expenses and if their presence increases after the Euro elections they will continue to obstruct reform.

It time the electorate woke up and saw this climate sceptic party for what it is.
@HJ - of course we all know what the progressive mash-up of green activists with differing plans and objectives, with no 'leader' (only a 'spineless convener)' has achieved in Brighton and Hove?

Don't forget to remind us about 20 mph zones and the resultant increased pollution in the city, little used cycle lanes, MX and gender neutral toilets, the refuse collection strikes and how Kitkat hid in the Town Hall refusing to go to talk to strikers, and how the greens expel Christians who might have their own beliefs.

First rule of marketing - focus on promoting what the greens have actually achieved (I'll provide the postage stamp) rather than talking about the failings of any competition.
I notice you don't challenge my points about UKIP.

I am pleased to be a member of a party that can regularly hold its executive to account by democratic means, something unique to the Greens and a concept alien to you UKIPers. You are a one man party. Farage dictates everything and that is not a party suitable to hold any power. It is the UKIP and conservative view of many in England that is causing so much support in Scotland for separatism.
@HJ - please read my earlier post - I am NOT a UKIP supporter - I am just anti-green. No - correction - I am pro-green.

I am just anti 'Green Party'. I am against this party that appears to be pro-environment but is instead full of incompetent ideological left-wingers trying to get their own pet-projects (i.e.biker Davey) introduced under the banner of 'progressive democracy'.

You are a pro-green anti-everyone else amateur PR fanbois. I'm happy you are proud to be a member of the greens - someone has to be - are you still taking the medication?
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: UKIP are a dangerous party funded by a small number of wealthy donors. Their MEPs have wasted their time in Europe, while maxing out the expenses and if their presence increases after the Euro elections they will continue to obstruct reform. It time the electorate woke up and saw this climate sceptic party for what it is.[/p][/quote]@HJ - of course we all know what the progressive mash-up of green activists with differing plans and objectives, with no 'leader' (only a 'spineless convener)' has achieved in Brighton and Hove? Don't forget to remind us about 20 mph zones and the resultant increased pollution in the city, little used cycle lanes, MX and gender neutral toilets, the refuse collection strikes and how Kitkat hid in the Town Hall refusing to go to talk to strikers, and how the greens expel Christians who might have their own beliefs. First rule of marketing - focus on promoting what the greens have actually achieved (I'll provide the postage stamp) rather than talking about the failings of any competition.[/p][/quote]I notice you don't challenge my points about UKIP. I am pleased to be a member of a party that can regularly hold its executive to account by democratic means, something unique to the Greens and a concept alien to you UKIPers. You are a one man party. Farage dictates everything and that is not a party suitable to hold any power. It is the UKIP and conservative view of many in England that is causing so much support in Scotland for separatism.[/p][/quote]@HJ - please read my earlier post - I am NOT a UKIP supporter - I am just anti-green. No - correction - I am pro-green. I am just anti 'Green Party'. I am against this party that appears to be pro-environment but is instead full of incompetent ideological left-wingers trying to get their own pet-projects (i.e.biker Davey) introduced under the banner of 'progressive democracy'. You are a pro-green anti-everyone else amateur PR fanbois. I'm happy you are proud to be a member of the greens - someone has to be - are you still taking the medication? pachallis
  • Score: 27

9:31am Fri 14 Mar 14

Ania Green says...

UKIP are a small insignificant party that rely almost totally on a small number of rich donors to fund their crazy schemes and policies.

It's about time people woke up and saw them for the racist and xenophobic party they really are.
UKIP are a small insignificant party that rely almost totally on a small number of rich donors to fund their crazy schemes and policies. It's about time people woke up and saw them for the racist and xenophobic party they really are. Ania Green
  • Score: -33

9:36am Fri 14 Mar 14

pachallis says...

Ania Green wrote:
UKIP are a small insignificant party that rely almost totally on a small number of rich donors to fund their crazy schemes and policies.

It's about time people woke up and saw them for the racist and xenophobic party they really are.
@Ania Green - thank you for your thoughts on this matter Mrs. Kitkat!

I think you will find that the Green Party is even more insignificant than UKIP across the country as a whole, and I predict that by May 2015 they will be even smaller as a result of what they have 'achieved' in Brighton & Hove.
[quote][p][bold]Ania Green[/bold] wrote: UKIP are a small insignificant party that rely almost totally on a small number of rich donors to fund their crazy schemes and policies. It's about time people woke up and saw them for the racist and xenophobic party they really are.[/p][/quote]@Ania Green - thank you for your thoughts on this matter Mrs. Kitkat! I think you will find that the Green Party is even more insignificant than UKIP across the country as a whole, and I predict that by May 2015 they will be even smaller as a result of what they have 'achieved' in Brighton & Hove. pachallis
  • Score: 30

9:37am Fri 14 Mar 14

Fight_Back says...

Ania Green wrote:
UKIP are a small insignificant party that rely almost totally on a small number of rich donors to fund their crazy schemes and policies.

It's about time people woke up and saw them for the racist and xenophobic party they really are.
I'm amazed it took this long for the words "racist" and "xenophobic" to be used. They tend to be used by people when they have nothing to add to the debate.

And if your are, as some suspect, Ania Kitcat, then I'll remind you that you called us Brightonians and Hovites "inbreds" - pot, kettle and black springs to mind.

So running our council we have the following Greens :

Ben Duncan - a supporter of violent protest
Christoper Hawtree - a councillor who thinks running a major city is a bit of "a lark"
Ania Kitcat - a racist

Yes, the local Green Party is made up of really honourable and upstanding people ..... not.
[quote][p][bold]Ania Green[/bold] wrote: UKIP are a small insignificant party that rely almost totally on a small number of rich donors to fund their crazy schemes and policies. It's about time people woke up and saw them for the racist and xenophobic party they really are.[/p][/quote]I'm amazed it took this long for the words "racist" and "xenophobic" to be used. They tend to be used by people when they have nothing to add to the debate. And if your are, as some suspect, Ania Kitcat, then I'll remind you that you called us Brightonians and Hovites "inbreds" - pot, kettle and black springs to mind. So running our council we have the following Greens : Ben Duncan - a supporter of violent protest Christoper Hawtree - a councillor who thinks running a major city is a bit of "a lark" Ania Kitcat - a racist Yes, the local Green Party is made up of really honourable and upstanding people ..... not. Fight_Back
  • Score: 26

9:45am Fri 14 Mar 14

Quiterie says...

Simon Philips wrote:
UKIP!
New kid on the block!
Will I vote for them?
A Party that says in its manifesto , that they would privatise the NHS?
A Party that says in its manifesto, that EVERYONE, rich and poor, will pay the same 30% tax?
The hell I will!!!
And what's wrong with everyone paying the same 30% tax? This seems very sensible to me. The rich will continue to pay much, much more than the poor, but they have more incentive to work harder and create jobs for the poor. What's not to like?
[quote][p][bold]Simon Philips[/bold] wrote: UKIP! New kid on the block! Will I vote for them? A Party that says in its manifesto , that they would privatise the NHS? A Party that says in its manifesto, that EVERYONE, rich and poor, will pay the same 30% tax? The hell I will!!![/p][/quote]And what's wrong with everyone paying the same 30% tax? This seems very sensible to me. The rich will continue to pay much, much more than the poor, but they have more incentive to work harder and create jobs for the poor. What's not to like? Quiterie
  • Score: 17

10:03am Fri 14 Mar 14

Libertarian Patriot says...

UKIP are a libertarian party that stands out against the old line establishment parties. UKIP are largely funded by grass roots membership with as yet few corporate or wealthy donors. Roger "The Who" Daltry, an iconic and Brighton connected rock star, was reported recently as saying he may switch his allegiance from Labour to UKIP because several of his mates had lost jobs to new arrivals from overseas. Many grass roots Labour supporters are joining the new British party because we need to stop discriminating against our own people in favour of immigrants.

UKIP are a pro-Europe party and fervently believe in forming a new European Free Trade Agreement which was the original vision and the reason many of us supported the early trade treaties. However, the EU is much more about political assimilation than free trade and few people can come up with a solid reason why we need to be politically controlled by Brussels in order to be "in Europe."

According to Gallup Europe's poll in September 2013, over 70% of Europeans said they opposed the EU and that included over 50% of Germans aged under 50. The EU may be okay for the older generation wanting a return to the glory days of pre-WW2 but more younger people are waking up to the fact that the EU is about control and not liberty.

Very few people are aware that the EU has a special para-military force formed with the cooperation of just 8 nations within the EU. It is known as the Euro-gendarmerie and it can be called into crush riots or rebellion and not be accountable to local laws. Its motto is "peace through pacification" which should send of a few alarm bells.

Last year the EU announced a drone project costing millions of Euros and it does not take much imagination to work out what these drones might be used for. If you are wondering, read George Orwell's "1984" because it is a prophetic book that sees an Empire rising in Europe that will have its own flag (the EU has its own flag), its own patriotic song (the EU has a German song), its own para-military and flying machines that spy. It will be known as "Big Brother" and he is always watching you.

But the EU is much more that a future threat to our liberty and freedom. It costs £53M a day and overall costs to the British people are estimated by noted economist Tim Congdon at £120BN a year. UKIP say that money could be invested in the NHS (which they are in favour of unlike the Tories who are privatising it by stealth as it is run down year by year). The EU are our de facto top tier of government making Westminster nothing more than a local county council in terms of its powers. The EU are our supreme source of laws with the ECHR, made possible by the EU, directing our courts on an every widening variety of areas. The EU last year began commissioning "Embassies" around the world at massive cost and they still have not allowed a general audit for over 12 years. The financial black hole is inestimable and you and I are paying for it all.

We are losing out to immigrants because too many of our young people are poorly equipped to compete in the global economy. The OECD reported last year that we British failed to score in the top 20 in any single subject. No wonder foreigners march in and get the jobs and they will work for less too. UKIP want to bring back classless grammar schools and technical schools to recognise the diversity in our population and the reality that some are gifted in the arts and others in the practical which does not make them better than one or the other, just different. Without diversity of skills we are finished. The Liblabcon's investment in dumbing down our education system with comprehensive schools has led to the result we see from the OECD. Dumbed down.

Our house prices and availability of housing is under extreme pressure due to enormous demand caused by mass and uncontrolled immigration. Ever wonder why Brighton area is so expensive? A large part of the reason is increasing demand and inadequate supply. Greens wake up--where are all the millions of houses and flats going to be built if the vast numbers do not stop coming in?

The NHS is failing and UKIP want to use tens of millions saved from shoring up the political black hole in Brussels to improve our own health system. UKIP want to dramatically cut back on over paid and over-bonused managers and reinforce practical on-the-job training for nurses by bringing back the two tier system of SRN and SEN. Last week it was reported that Chichester had recruited 60 new nurses--from overseas. UKIP will make sure these kinds of professional jobs go to well trained British nurses as our young people need jobs!

UKIP is in favour of immigration. However, UKIP is not in favour of mass and uncontrolled immigration favoured by the establishment Liblabcon. UKIP propose that we follow our commonwealth nations and introduce a common-sense points system allowing people in who can contribute and support themselves for a reasonable number of years before becoming eligible for benefits. It works for New Zealand, Canada, Australia and it will work for us. But under the EU we are not allowed to have a common sense based immigration system as it is come one, come all, no matter who or what you are.

Britain is the most crowded nation in Europe and third most crowded in the world. The Greens will tell you that such numbers in concentrated areas add to pollution and many other environmental issues. The Greens need to support UKIP!

Finally, UKIP is not a racist party. Most of Europe and most of us are against immigration in mass numbers for all of the above reasons. None are to do with ethnicity (there is only one race: human). It is about numbers and UKIP believes that MLK got it right when he said we must judge a person by the content of their character and not the colour of their skin. UKIP have multi-ethnic people on board and would like more as Britain is about the British and that is all of us here and here lawfully and who want to see our nation become great again through better education, an independent parliament and legal system, a functional NHS, a strong defence force and able to trade globally without having to go through Brussels to sign new international trade agreements.

Take a risk, join UKIP and love Britain!
UKIP are a libertarian party that stands out against the old line establishment parties. UKIP are largely funded by grass roots membership with as yet few corporate or wealthy donors. Roger "The Who" Daltry, an iconic and Brighton connected rock star, was reported recently as saying he may switch his allegiance from Labour to UKIP because several of his mates had lost jobs to new arrivals from overseas. Many grass roots Labour supporters are joining the new British party because we need to stop discriminating against our own people in favour of immigrants. UKIP are a pro-Europe party and fervently believe in forming a new European Free Trade Agreement which was the original vision and the reason many of us supported the early trade treaties. However, the EU is much more about political assimilation than free trade and few people can come up with a solid reason why we need to be politically controlled by Brussels in order to be "in Europe." According to Gallup Europe's poll in September 2013, over 70% of Europeans said they opposed the EU and that included over 50% of Germans aged under 50. The EU may be okay for the older generation wanting a return to the glory days of pre-WW2 but more younger people are waking up to the fact that the EU is about control and not liberty. Very few people are aware that the EU has a special para-military force formed with the cooperation of just 8 nations within the EU. It is known as the Euro-gendarmerie and it can be called into crush riots or rebellion and not be accountable to local laws. Its motto is "peace through pacification" which should send of a few alarm bells. Last year the EU announced a drone project costing millions of Euros and it does not take much imagination to work out what these drones might be used for. If you are wondering, read George Orwell's "1984" because it is a prophetic book that sees an Empire rising in Europe that will have its own flag (the EU has its own flag), its own patriotic song (the EU has a German song), its own para-military and flying machines that spy. It will be known as "Big Brother" and he is always watching you. But the EU is much more that a future threat to our liberty and freedom. It costs £53M a day and overall costs to the British people are estimated by noted economist Tim Congdon at £120BN a year. UKIP say that money could be invested in the NHS (which they are in favour of unlike the Tories who are privatising it by stealth as it is run down year by year). The EU are our de facto top tier of government making Westminster nothing more than a local county council in terms of its powers. The EU are our supreme source of laws with the ECHR, made possible by the EU, directing our courts on an every widening variety of areas. The EU last year began commissioning "Embassies" around the world at massive cost and they still have not allowed a general audit for over 12 years. The financial black hole is inestimable and you and I are paying for it all. We are losing out to immigrants because too many of our young people are poorly equipped to compete in the global economy. The OECD reported last year that we British failed to score in the top 20 in any single subject. No wonder foreigners march in and get the jobs and they will work for less too. UKIP want to bring back classless grammar schools and technical schools to recognise the diversity in our population and the reality that some are gifted in the arts and others in the practical which does not make them better than one or the other, just different. Without diversity of skills we are finished. The Liblabcon's investment in dumbing down our education system with comprehensive schools has led to the result we see from the OECD. Dumbed down. Our house prices and availability of housing is under extreme pressure due to enormous demand caused by mass and uncontrolled immigration. Ever wonder why Brighton area is so expensive? A large part of the reason is increasing demand and inadequate supply. Greens wake up--where are all the millions of houses and flats going to be built if the vast numbers do not stop coming in? The NHS is failing and UKIP want to use tens of millions saved from shoring up the political black hole in Brussels to improve our own health system. UKIP want to dramatically cut back on over paid and over-bonused managers and reinforce practical on-the-job training for nurses by bringing back the two tier system of SRN and SEN. Last week it was reported that Chichester had recruited 60 new nurses--from overseas. UKIP will make sure these kinds of professional jobs go to well trained British nurses as our young people need jobs! UKIP is in favour of immigration. However, UKIP is not in favour of mass and uncontrolled immigration favoured by the establishment Liblabcon. UKIP propose that we follow our commonwealth nations and introduce a common-sense points system allowing people in who can contribute and support themselves for a reasonable number of years before becoming eligible for benefits. It works for New Zealand, Canada, Australia and it will work for us. But under the EU we are not allowed to have a common sense based immigration system as it is come one, come all, no matter who or what you are. Britain is the most crowded nation in Europe and third most crowded in the world. The Greens will tell you that such numbers in concentrated areas add to pollution and many other environmental issues. The Greens need to support UKIP! Finally, UKIP is not a racist party. Most of Europe and most of us are against immigration in mass numbers for all of the above reasons. None are to do with ethnicity (there is only one race: human). It is about numbers and UKIP believes that MLK got it right when he said we must judge a person by the content of their character and not the colour of their skin. UKIP have multi-ethnic people on board and would like more as Britain is about the British and that is all of us here and here lawfully and who want to see our nation become great again through better education, an independent parliament and legal system, a functional NHS, a strong defence force and able to trade globally without having to go through Brussels to sign new international trade agreements. Take a risk, join UKIP and love Britain! Libertarian Patriot
  • Score: 4

10:13am Fri 14 Mar 14

mark by the sea says...

Libertarian Patriot wrote:
UKIP are a libertarian party that stands out against the old line establishment parties. UKIP are largely funded by grass roots membership with as yet few corporate or wealthy donors. Roger "The Who" Daltry, an iconic and Brighton connected rock star, was reported recently as saying he may switch his allegiance from Labour to UKIP because several of his mates had lost jobs to new arrivals from overseas. Many grass roots Labour supporters are joining the new British party because we need to stop discriminating against our own people in favour of immigrants.

UKIP are a pro-Europe party and fervently believe in forming a new European Free Trade Agreement which was the original vision and the reason many of us supported the early trade treaties. However, the EU is much more about political assimilation than free trade and few people can come up with a solid reason why we need to be politically controlled by Brussels in order to be "in Europe."

According to Gallup Europe's poll in September 2013, over 70% of Europeans said they opposed the EU and that included over 50% of Germans aged under 50. The EU may be okay for the older generation wanting a return to the glory days of pre-WW2 but more younger people are waking up to the fact that the EU is about control and not liberty.

Very few people are aware that the EU has a special para-military force formed with the cooperation of just 8 nations within the EU. It is known as the Euro-gendarmerie and it can be called into crush riots or rebellion and not be accountable to local laws. Its motto is "peace through pacification" which should send of a few alarm bells.

Last year the EU announced a drone project costing millions of Euros and it does not take much imagination to work out what these drones might be used for. If you are wondering, read George Orwell's "1984" because it is a prophetic book that sees an Empire rising in Europe that will have its own flag (the EU has its own flag), its own patriotic song (the EU has a German song), its own para-military and flying machines that spy. It will be known as "Big Brother" and he is always watching you.

But the EU is much more that a future threat to our liberty and freedom. It costs £53M a day and overall costs to the British people are estimated by noted economist Tim Congdon at £120BN a year. UKIP say that money could be invested in the NHS (which they are in favour of unlike the Tories who are privatising it by stealth as it is run down year by year). The EU are our de facto top tier of government making Westminster nothing more than a local county council in terms of its powers. The EU are our supreme source of laws with the ECHR, made possible by the EU, directing our courts on an every widening variety of areas. The EU last year began commissioning "Embassies" around the world at massive cost and they still have not allowed a general audit for over 12 years. The financial black hole is inestimable and you and I are paying for it all.

We are losing out to immigrants because too many of our young people are poorly equipped to compete in the global economy. The OECD reported last year that we British failed to score in the top 20 in any single subject. No wonder foreigners march in and get the jobs and they will work for less too. UKIP want to bring back classless grammar schools and technical schools to recognise the diversity in our population and the reality that some are gifted in the arts and others in the practical which does not make them better than one or the other, just different. Without diversity of skills we are finished. The Liblabcon's investment in dumbing down our education system with comprehensive schools has led to the result we see from the OECD. Dumbed down.

Our house prices and availability of housing is under extreme pressure due to enormous demand caused by mass and uncontrolled immigration. Ever wonder why Brighton area is so expensive? A large part of the reason is increasing demand and inadequate supply. Greens wake up--where are all the millions of houses and flats going to be built if the vast numbers do not stop coming in?

The NHS is failing and UKIP want to use tens of millions saved from shoring up the political black hole in Brussels to improve our own health system. UKIP want to dramatically cut back on over paid and over-bonused managers and reinforce practical on-the-job training for nurses by bringing back the two tier system of SRN and SEN. Last week it was reported that Chichester had recruited 60 new nurses--from overseas. UKIP will make sure these kinds of professional jobs go to well trained British nurses as our young people need jobs!

UKIP is in favour of immigration. However, UKIP is not in favour of mass and uncontrolled immigration favoured by the establishment Liblabcon. UKIP propose that we follow our commonwealth nations and introduce a common-sense points system allowing people in who can contribute and support themselves for a reasonable number of years before becoming eligible for benefits. It works for New Zealand, Canada, Australia and it will work for us. But under the EU we are not allowed to have a common sense based immigration system as it is come one, come all, no matter who or what you are.

Britain is the most crowded nation in Europe and third most crowded in the world. The Greens will tell you that such numbers in concentrated areas add to pollution and many other environmental issues. The Greens need to support UKIP!

Finally, UKIP is not a racist party. Most of Europe and most of us are against immigration in mass numbers for all of the above reasons. None are to do with ethnicity (there is only one race: human). It is about numbers and UKIP believes that MLK got it right when he said we must judge a person by the content of their character and not the colour of their skin. UKIP have multi-ethnic people on board and would like more as Britain is about the British and that is all of us here and here lawfully and who want to see our nation become great again through better education, an independent parliament and legal system, a functional NHS, a strong defence force and able to trade globally without having to go through Brussels to sign new international trade agreements.

Take a risk, join UKIP and love Britain!
I be voting ukip, time for a change away from worrying about Europe and filling people like the Blair family all on the euro gravy train.
[quote][p][bold]Libertarian Patriot[/bold] wrote: UKIP are a libertarian party that stands out against the old line establishment parties. UKIP are largely funded by grass roots membership with as yet few corporate or wealthy donors. Roger "The Who" Daltry, an iconic and Brighton connected rock star, was reported recently as saying he may switch his allegiance from Labour to UKIP because several of his mates had lost jobs to new arrivals from overseas. Many grass roots Labour supporters are joining the new British party because we need to stop discriminating against our own people in favour of immigrants. UKIP are a pro-Europe party and fervently believe in forming a new European Free Trade Agreement which was the original vision and the reason many of us supported the early trade treaties. However, the EU is much more about political assimilation than free trade and few people can come up with a solid reason why we need to be politically controlled by Brussels in order to be "in Europe." According to Gallup Europe's poll in September 2013, over 70% of Europeans said they opposed the EU and that included over 50% of Germans aged under 50. The EU may be okay for the older generation wanting a return to the glory days of pre-WW2 but more younger people are waking up to the fact that the EU is about control and not liberty. Very few people are aware that the EU has a special para-military force formed with the cooperation of just 8 nations within the EU. It is known as the Euro-gendarmerie and it can be called into crush riots or rebellion and not be accountable to local laws. Its motto is "peace through pacification" which should send of a few alarm bells. Last year the EU announced a drone project costing millions of Euros and it does not take much imagination to work out what these drones might be used for. If you are wondering, read George Orwell's "1984" because it is a prophetic book that sees an Empire rising in Europe that will have its own flag (the EU has its own flag), its own patriotic song (the EU has a German song), its own para-military and flying machines that spy. It will be known as "Big Brother" and he is always watching you. But the EU is much more that a future threat to our liberty and freedom. It costs £53M a day and overall costs to the British people are estimated by noted economist Tim Congdon at £120BN a year. UKIP say that money could be invested in the NHS (which they are in favour of unlike the Tories who are privatising it by stealth as it is run down year by year). The EU are our de facto top tier of government making Westminster nothing more than a local county council in terms of its powers. The EU are our supreme source of laws with the ECHR, made possible by the EU, directing our courts on an every widening variety of areas. The EU last year began commissioning "Embassies" around the world at massive cost and they still have not allowed a general audit for over 12 years. The financial black hole is inestimable and you and I are paying for it all. We are losing out to immigrants because too many of our young people are poorly equipped to compete in the global economy. The OECD reported last year that we British failed to score in the top 20 in any single subject. No wonder foreigners march in and get the jobs and they will work for less too. UKIP want to bring back classless grammar schools and technical schools to recognise the diversity in our population and the reality that some are gifted in the arts and others in the practical which does not make them better than one or the other, just different. Without diversity of skills we are finished. The Liblabcon's investment in dumbing down our education system with comprehensive schools has led to the result we see from the OECD. Dumbed down. Our house prices and availability of housing is under extreme pressure due to enormous demand caused by mass and uncontrolled immigration. Ever wonder why Brighton area is so expensive? A large part of the reason is increasing demand and inadequate supply. Greens wake up--where are all the millions of houses and flats going to be built if the vast numbers do not stop coming in? The NHS is failing and UKIP want to use tens of millions saved from shoring up the political black hole in Brussels to improve our own health system. UKIP want to dramatically cut back on over paid and over-bonused managers and reinforce practical on-the-job training for nurses by bringing back the two tier system of SRN and SEN. Last week it was reported that Chichester had recruited 60 new nurses--from overseas. UKIP will make sure these kinds of professional jobs go to well trained British nurses as our young people need jobs! UKIP is in favour of immigration. However, UKIP is not in favour of mass and uncontrolled immigration favoured by the establishment Liblabcon. UKIP propose that we follow our commonwealth nations and introduce a common-sense points system allowing people in who can contribute and support themselves for a reasonable number of years before becoming eligible for benefits. It works for New Zealand, Canada, Australia and it will work for us. But under the EU we are not allowed to have a common sense based immigration system as it is come one, come all, no matter who or what you are. Britain is the most crowded nation in Europe and third most crowded in the world. The Greens will tell you that such numbers in concentrated areas add to pollution and many other environmental issues. The Greens need to support UKIP! Finally, UKIP is not a racist party. Most of Europe and most of us are against immigration in mass numbers for all of the above reasons. None are to do with ethnicity (there is only one race: human). It is about numbers and UKIP believes that MLK got it right when he said we must judge a person by the content of their character and not the colour of their skin. UKIP have multi-ethnic people on board and would like more as Britain is about the British and that is all of us here and here lawfully and who want to see our nation become great again through better education, an independent parliament and legal system, a functional NHS, a strong defence force and able to trade globally without having to go through Brussels to sign new international trade agreements. Take a risk, join UKIP and love Britain![/p][/quote]I be voting ukip, time for a change away from worrying about Europe and filling people like the Blair family all on the euro gravy train. mark by the sea
  • Score: 14

10:42am Fri 14 Mar 14

PeacehavenRed says...

Is that the same Ian Buchanan with property in Bulgaria? The same Ian Buchanan who uses polish labour over here? Yes, I think it is.
Is that the same Ian Buchanan with property in Bulgaria? The same Ian Buchanan who uses polish labour over here? Yes, I think it is. PeacehavenRed
  • Score: -3

10:46am Fri 14 Mar 14

BURIRAM says...

Vote for anything that will get the greens out
Vote for anything that will get the greens out BURIRAM
  • Score: 23

10:46am Fri 14 Mar 14

Libertarian Patriot says...

PeacehavenRed wrote:
Is that the same Ian Buchanan with property in Bulgaria? The same Ian Buchanan who uses polish labour over here? Yes, I think it is.
UKIP are in favour of immigration. UKIP are against mass uncontrolled immigration and favour a New Zealand points system that will allow in Polish or any other WORKERS with necessary skills. The problem is that our own people lack skills because our education system has let them down. UKIP will bring back technical/trade schools and end the dumbing down that goes on in Comprehensive one-size-fits-all system. Blame the Liblabcon for too few British workers.
[quote][p][bold]PeacehavenRed[/bold] wrote: Is that the same Ian Buchanan with property in Bulgaria? The same Ian Buchanan who uses polish labour over here? Yes, I think it is.[/p][/quote]UKIP are in favour of immigration. UKIP are against mass uncontrolled immigration and favour a New Zealand points system that will allow in Polish or any other WORKERS with necessary skills. The problem is that our own people lack skills because our education system has let them down. UKIP will bring back technical/trade schools and end the dumbing down that goes on in Comprehensive one-size-fits-all system. Blame the Liblabcon for too few British workers. Libertarian Patriot
  • Score: 15

11:52am Fri 14 Mar 14

billy goat-gruff says...

Thankfully the small number of Argus moaners who might vote for UKIP are probably too lazy to get out of their oversized cars to actually cast their votes! Save your money, UKIP, you'll lose your deposit in Brighton!
Thankfully the small number of Argus moaners who might vote for UKIP are probably too lazy to get out of their oversized cars to actually cast their votes! Save your money, UKIP, you'll lose your deposit in Brighton! billy goat-gruff
  • Score: -11

11:58am Fri 14 Mar 14

RickH says...

Libertarian Patriot wrote:
UKIP are a libertarian party that stands out against the old line establishment parties. UKIP are largely funded by grass roots membership with as yet few corporate or wealthy donors. Roger "The Who" Daltry, an iconic and Brighton connected rock star, was reported recently as saying he may switch his allegiance from Labour to UKIP because several of his mates had lost jobs to new arrivals from overseas. Many grass roots Labour supporters are joining the new British party because we need to stop discriminating against our own people in favour of immigrants. UKIP are a pro-Europe party and fervently believe in forming a new European Free Trade Agreement which was the original vision and the reason many of us supported the early trade treaties. However, the EU is much more about political assimilation than free trade and few people can come up with a solid reason why we need to be politically controlled by Brussels in order to be "in Europe." According to Gallup Europe's poll in September 2013, over 70% of Europeans said they opposed the EU and that included over 50% of Germans aged under 50. The EU may be okay for the older generation wanting a return to the glory days of pre-WW2 but more younger people are waking up to the fact that the EU is about control and not liberty. Very few people are aware that the EU has a special para-military force formed with the cooperation of just 8 nations within the EU. It is known as the Euro-gendarmerie and it can be called into crush riots or rebellion and not be accountable to local laws. Its motto is "peace through pacification" which should send of a few alarm bells. Last year the EU announced a drone project costing millions of Euros and it does not take much imagination to work out what these drones might be used for. If you are wondering, read George Orwell's "1984" because it is a prophetic book that sees an Empire rising in Europe that will have its own flag (the EU has its own flag), its own patriotic song (the EU has a German song), its own para-military and flying machines that spy. It will be known as "Big Brother" and he is always watching you. But the EU is much more that a future threat to our liberty and freedom. It costs £53M a day and overall costs to the British people are estimated by noted economist Tim Congdon at £120BN a year. UKIP say that money could be invested in the NHS (which they are in favour of unlike the Tories who are privatising it by stealth as it is run down year by year). The EU are our de facto top tier of government making Westminster nothing more than a local county council in terms of its powers. The EU are our supreme source of laws with the ECHR, made possible by the EU, directing our courts on an every widening variety of areas. The EU last year began commissioning "Embassies" around the world at massive cost and they still have not allowed a general audit for over 12 years. The financial black hole is inestimable and you and I are paying for it all. We are losing out to immigrants because too many of our young people are poorly equipped to compete in the global economy. The OECD reported last year that we British failed to score in the top 20 in any single subject. No wonder foreigners march in and get the jobs and they will work for less too. UKIP want to bring back classless grammar schools and technical schools to recognise the diversity in our population and the reality that some are gifted in the arts and others in the practical which does not make them better than one or the other, just different. Without diversity of skills we are finished. The Liblabcon's investment in dumbing down our education system with comprehensive schools has led to the result we see from the OECD. Dumbed down. Our house prices and availability of housing is under extreme pressure due to enormous demand caused by mass and uncontrolled immigration. Ever wonder why Brighton area is so expensive? A large part of the reason is increasing demand and inadequate supply. Greens wake up--where are all the millions of houses and flats going to be built if the vast numbers do not stop coming in? The NHS is failing and UKIP want to use tens of millions saved from shoring up the political black hole in Brussels to improve our own health system. UKIP want to dramatically cut back on over paid and over-bonused managers and reinforce practical on-the-job training for nurses by bringing back the two tier system of SRN and SEN. Last week it was reported that Chichester had recruited 60 new nurses--from overseas. UKIP will make sure these kinds of professional jobs go to well trained British nurses as our young people need jobs! UKIP is in favour of immigration. However, UKIP is not in favour of mass and uncontrolled immigration favoured by the establishment Liblabcon. UKIP propose that we follow our commonwealth nations and introduce a common-sense points system allowing people in who can contribute and support themselves for a reasonable number of years before becoming eligible for benefits. It works for New Zealand, Canada, Australia and it will work for us. But under the EU we are not allowed to have a common sense based immigration system as it is come one, come all, no matter who or what you are. Britain is the most crowded nation in Europe and third most crowded in the world. The Greens will tell you that such numbers in concentrated areas add to pollution and many other environmental issues. The Greens need to support UKIP! Finally, UKIP is not a racist party. Most of Europe and most of us are against immigration in mass numbers for all of the above reasons. None are to do with ethnicity (there is only one race: human). It is about numbers and UKIP believes that MLK got it right when he said we must judge a person by the content of their character and not the colour of their skin. UKIP have multi-ethnic people on board and would like more as Britain is about the British and that is all of us here and here lawfully and who want to see our nation become great again through better education, an independent parliament and legal system, a functional NHS, a strong defence force and able to trade globally without having to go through Brussels to sign new international trade agreements. Take a risk, join UKIP and love Britain!
Would that be the same UKIP that: has had to expel or reprimand members for sexist and homophobic comments and a member who called for the compulsary termination of disabled babies; whose leader brags about being able to make about £250K per annum as a result of being an MEP, has promised to publish his expenses and never has; who had a major hand in writing their manifesto then denounced it as rubbish; whose economic plans have a massive hole in them; whose attendence and voting record at the EP is appalling; who voted *against* a massive reduction in mobile roaming charges and other pro-consumer measures; a party that has an active ban on (ex)BNP members joining the party (the only political party in the UK to do so - no smoke without fire & birds of a feather and all that!); who sits in the EP in a grouping that includes Facist parties; who financial officer called for MEPs to work the expenses system in order to increase party funding; and one that spouts a discourse about an England that never existed? Its a rheotorical question BTW!
[quote][p][bold]Libertarian Patriot[/bold] wrote: UKIP are a libertarian party that stands out against the old line establishment parties. UKIP are largely funded by grass roots membership with as yet few corporate or wealthy donors. Roger "The Who" Daltry, an iconic and Brighton connected rock star, was reported recently as saying he may switch his allegiance from Labour to UKIP because several of his mates had lost jobs to new arrivals from overseas. Many grass roots Labour supporters are joining the new British party because we need to stop discriminating against our own people in favour of immigrants. UKIP are a pro-Europe party and fervently believe in forming a new European Free Trade Agreement which was the original vision and the reason many of us supported the early trade treaties. However, the EU is much more about political assimilation than free trade and few people can come up with a solid reason why we need to be politically controlled by Brussels in order to be "in Europe." According to Gallup Europe's poll in September 2013, over 70% of Europeans said they opposed the EU and that included over 50% of Germans aged under 50. The EU may be okay for the older generation wanting a return to the glory days of pre-WW2 but more younger people are waking up to the fact that the EU is about control and not liberty. Very few people are aware that the EU has a special para-military force formed with the cooperation of just 8 nations within the EU. It is known as the Euro-gendarmerie and it can be called into crush riots or rebellion and not be accountable to local laws. Its motto is "peace through pacification" which should send of a few alarm bells. Last year the EU announced a drone project costing millions of Euros and it does not take much imagination to work out what these drones might be used for. If you are wondering, read George Orwell's "1984" because it is a prophetic book that sees an Empire rising in Europe that will have its own flag (the EU has its own flag), its own patriotic song (the EU has a German song), its own para-military and flying machines that spy. It will be known as "Big Brother" and he is always watching you. But the EU is much more that a future threat to our liberty and freedom. It costs £53M a day and overall costs to the British people are estimated by noted economist Tim Congdon at £120BN a year. UKIP say that money could be invested in the NHS (which they are in favour of unlike the Tories who are privatising it by stealth as it is run down year by year). The EU are our de facto top tier of government making Westminster nothing more than a local county council in terms of its powers. The EU are our supreme source of laws with the ECHR, made possible by the EU, directing our courts on an every widening variety of areas. The EU last year began commissioning "Embassies" around the world at massive cost and they still have not allowed a general audit for over 12 years. The financial black hole is inestimable and you and I are paying for it all. We are losing out to immigrants because too many of our young people are poorly equipped to compete in the global economy. The OECD reported last year that we British failed to score in the top 20 in any single subject. No wonder foreigners march in and get the jobs and they will work for less too. UKIP want to bring back classless grammar schools and technical schools to recognise the diversity in our population and the reality that some are gifted in the arts and others in the practical which does not make them better than one or the other, just different. Without diversity of skills we are finished. The Liblabcon's investment in dumbing down our education system with comprehensive schools has led to the result we see from the OECD. Dumbed down. Our house prices and availability of housing is under extreme pressure due to enormous demand caused by mass and uncontrolled immigration. Ever wonder why Brighton area is so expensive? A large part of the reason is increasing demand and inadequate supply. Greens wake up--where are all the millions of houses and flats going to be built if the vast numbers do not stop coming in? The NHS is failing and UKIP want to use tens of millions saved from shoring up the political black hole in Brussels to improve our own health system. UKIP want to dramatically cut back on over paid and over-bonused managers and reinforce practical on-the-job training for nurses by bringing back the two tier system of SRN and SEN. Last week it was reported that Chichester had recruited 60 new nurses--from overseas. UKIP will make sure these kinds of professional jobs go to well trained British nurses as our young people need jobs! UKIP is in favour of immigration. However, UKIP is not in favour of mass and uncontrolled immigration favoured by the establishment Liblabcon. UKIP propose that we follow our commonwealth nations and introduce a common-sense points system allowing people in who can contribute and support themselves for a reasonable number of years before becoming eligible for benefits. It works for New Zealand, Canada, Australia and it will work for us. But under the EU we are not allowed to have a common sense based immigration system as it is come one, come all, no matter who or what you are. Britain is the most crowded nation in Europe and third most crowded in the world. The Greens will tell you that such numbers in concentrated areas add to pollution and many other environmental issues. The Greens need to support UKIP! Finally, UKIP is not a racist party. Most of Europe and most of us are against immigration in mass numbers for all of the above reasons. None are to do with ethnicity (there is only one race: human). It is about numbers and UKIP believes that MLK got it right when he said we must judge a person by the content of their character and not the colour of their skin. UKIP have multi-ethnic people on board and would like more as Britain is about the British and that is all of us here and here lawfully and who want to see our nation become great again through better education, an independent parliament and legal system, a functional NHS, a strong defence force and able to trade globally without having to go through Brussels to sign new international trade agreements. Take a risk, join UKIP and love Britain![/p][/quote]Would that be the same UKIP that: has had to expel or reprimand members for sexist and homophobic comments and a member who called for the compulsary termination of disabled babies; whose leader brags about being able to make about £250K per annum as a result of being an MEP, has promised to publish his expenses and never has; who had a major hand in writing their manifesto then denounced it as rubbish; whose economic plans have a massive hole in them; whose attendence and voting record at the EP is appalling; who voted *against* a massive reduction in mobile roaming charges and other pro-consumer measures; a party that has an active ban on (ex)BNP members joining the party (the only political party in the UK to do so - no smoke without fire & birds of a feather and all that!); who sits in the EP in a grouping that includes Facist parties; who financial officer called for MEPs to work the expenses system in order to increase party funding; and one that spouts a discourse about an England that never existed? Its a rheotorical question BTW! RickH
  • Score: -6

12:10pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Fight_Back says...

billy goat-gruff wrote:
Thankfully the small number of Argus moaners who might vote for UKIP are probably too lazy to get out of their oversized cars to actually cast their votes! Save your money, UKIP, you'll lose your deposit in Brighton!
As will the arrogant Greens in May 2015 ...... thankfully. Hopefully they'll all go back to whence they came .... Surrey, London and Poland.
[quote][p][bold]billy goat-gruff[/bold] wrote: Thankfully the small number of Argus moaners who might vote for UKIP are probably too lazy to get out of their oversized cars to actually cast their votes! Save your money, UKIP, you'll lose your deposit in Brighton![/p][/quote]As will the arrogant Greens in May 2015 ...... thankfully. Hopefully they'll all go back to whence they came .... Surrey, London and Poland. Fight_Back
  • Score: 13

1:09pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Number Six says...

Remind us again Libertarian Patriot. Where exactly is Bongo Bongo Land
Remind us again Libertarian Patriot. Where exactly is Bongo Bongo Land Number Six
  • Score: -8

1:33pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Libertarian Patriot says...

Rick H commented above as follows:

Would that be the same UKIP that: has had to expel or reprimand members for sexist and homophobic comments and a member who called for the compulsary termination of disabled babies; whose leader brags about being able to make about £250K per annum as a result of being an MEP, has promised to publish his expenses and never has; who had a major hand in writing their manifesto then denounced it as rubbish; whose economic plans have a massive hole in them; whose attendence and voting record at the EP is appalling; who voted *against* a massive reduction in mobile roaming charges and other pro-consumer measures; a party that has an active ban on (ex)BNP members joining the party (the only political party in the UK to do so - no smoke without fire & birds of a feather and all that!); who sits in the EP in a grouping that includes Facist parties; who financial officer called for MEPs to work the expenses system in order to increase party funding; and one that spouts a discourse about an England that never existed? Its a rheotorical question BTW!

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The old establishment parties live in glass houses and as much as I dislike a mud slinging match it is well to remember that the Mirror published a long list of Tory politicians who had made "sexist" or "racist" comments in the past year. The press has given extensive coverage of mostly Labour politicians who have had to stand down for expense discrepancies and a sad number who have been convicted of serious sexual offences. It is tragic that a Tory deputy-speaker is in the news currently for multiple offences against homosexual men.

MEPs are paid huge salaries and expenses and the decision was unfortunately made by EU officials and not our own politicians. Nigel Farage has used a lot of his salary to fund UKIP and the cause of getting us out of the clutches of the EU. Money well invested if you favour the UK getting gout of the EU and into a EFTA.

The attendance issue has been settled. Farage has only showed up to 37% of EU votes. Clegg, Cameron and Milliband have only shown up for around 20-25% in Parliamentary votes. Sadly for UKIP's critics the charge of low attendance backfired, badly. It should be noted that much of the EU's business is about minutiae and it is not necessary to attend the hundreds of meetings that go on in Brussels.

The EFD in the EU is a mixture of parties mostly opposed to the EU becoming a EUSSR. Not all agree on all policies but membership in a joint bloc does allow more time for issues that might otherwise be impossible to get tabled due to the EUSSR bloc. It is good to study the way the EU works and come to conclusions based on research.

So, lets remember stones in glass houses are not a good thing and Jesus said to be wary of judging others as the same measure you use against them will be measured back to you! I am sure Lao Tzu said something similar as it makes sense.

Good points to raise though and lets all agree to keep a healthy and respectful dialogue going.
Rick H commented above as follows: Would that be the same UKIP that: has had to expel or reprimand members for sexist and homophobic comments and a member who called for the compulsary termination of disabled babies; whose leader brags about being able to make about £250K per annum as a result of being an MEP, has promised to publish his expenses and never has; who had a major hand in writing their manifesto then denounced it as rubbish; whose economic plans have a massive hole in them; whose attendence and voting record at the EP is appalling; who voted *against* a massive reduction in mobile roaming charges and other pro-consumer measures; a party that has an active ban on (ex)BNP members joining the party (the only political party in the UK to do so - no smoke without fire & birds of a feather and all that!); who sits in the EP in a grouping that includes Facist parties; who financial officer called for MEPs to work the expenses system in order to increase party funding; and one that spouts a discourse about an England that never existed? Its a rheotorical question BTW! _____ The old establishment parties live in glass houses and as much as I dislike a mud slinging match it is well to remember that the Mirror published a long list of Tory politicians who had made "sexist" or "racist" comments in the past year. The press has given extensive coverage of mostly Labour politicians who have had to stand down for expense discrepancies and a sad number who have been convicted of serious sexual offences. It is tragic that a Tory deputy-speaker is in the news currently for multiple offences against homosexual men. MEPs are paid huge salaries and expenses and the decision was unfortunately made by EU officials and not our own politicians. Nigel Farage has used a lot of his salary to fund UKIP and the cause of getting us out of the clutches of the EU. Money well invested if you favour the UK getting gout of the EU and into a EFTA. The attendance issue has been settled. Farage has only showed up to 37% of EU votes. Clegg, Cameron and Milliband have only shown up for around 20-25% in Parliamentary votes. Sadly for UKIP's critics the charge of low attendance backfired, badly. It should be noted that much of the EU's business is about minutiae and it is not necessary to attend the hundreds of meetings that go on in Brussels. The EFD in the EU is a mixture of parties mostly opposed to the EU becoming a EUSSR. Not all agree on all policies but membership in a joint bloc does allow more time for issues that might otherwise be impossible to get tabled due to the EUSSR bloc. It is good to study the way the EU works and come to conclusions based on research. So, lets remember stones in glass houses are not a good thing and Jesus said to be wary of judging others as the same measure you use against them will be measured back to you! I am sure Lao Tzu said something similar as it makes sense. Good points to raise though and lets all agree to keep a healthy and respectful dialogue going. Libertarian Patriot
  • Score: 13

1:44pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Libertarian Patriot says...

Number Six wrote:
Remind us again Libertarian Patriot. Where exactly is Bongo Bongo Land
This term was in use back before the PC police became part of our lives. It was a term of reference used by some to describe countries where economies were undeveloped and where primitive forms of music were prevalent. The bongo is, as you will now, a percussion instrument commonly used in South America, the Pacific Islands and parts of Africa.

The context to which you refer arose because a former UKIP MEP was complaining about billions in foreign aid sent to underdeveloped nations and used to build palatial residences for various leaders. For example, the president of South Africa has been criticized for building an extensive and luxurious compound for himself and his family.

The bottom line is that we need to avoid imposing PC on every comment uttered by every politician of every party. Freedom of speech is a valuable thing and we must not become a nation that live sin fear of criticising another or even another nation. The ability to laugh at our selves is a mark of maturity. Godfrey might have over stepped the mark but his "crime" is far less than many of the current crimes committed by politicians in the old establishment parties today.
[quote][p][bold]Number Six[/bold] wrote: Remind us again Libertarian Patriot. Where exactly is Bongo Bongo Land[/p][/quote]This term was in use back before the PC police became part of our lives. It was a term of reference used by some to describe countries where economies were undeveloped and where primitive forms of music were prevalent. The bongo is, as you will now, a percussion instrument commonly used in South America, the Pacific Islands and parts of Africa. The context to which you refer arose because a former UKIP MEP was complaining about billions in foreign aid sent to underdeveloped nations and used to build palatial residences for various leaders. For example, the president of South Africa has been criticized for building an extensive and luxurious compound for himself and his family. The bottom line is that we need to avoid imposing PC on every comment uttered by every politician of every party. Freedom of speech is a valuable thing and we must not become a nation that live sin fear of criticising another or even another nation. The ability to laugh at our selves is a mark of maturity. Godfrey might have over stepped the mark but his "crime" is far less than many of the current crimes committed by politicians in the old establishment parties today. Libertarian Patriot
  • Score: 16

1:56pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Bill in Hanover says...

Green_Girl_1990 wrote:
Vote for the best! ALWAYS the best!

Vote Jason Kitcat! Vote Caroline Lucas and Brighton Green Party!
P.T.Barnum was right 'There's a sucker born every minute'
[quote][p][bold]Green_Girl_1990[/bold] wrote: Vote for the best! ALWAYS the best! Vote Jason Kitcat! Vote Caroline Lucas and Brighton Green Party![/p][/quote]P.T.Barnum was right 'There's a sucker born every minute' Bill in Hanover
  • Score: 20

1:59pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Bill in Hanover says...

Libertarian Patriot wrote:
PeacehavenRed wrote:
Is that the same Ian Buchanan with property in Bulgaria? The same Ian Buchanan who uses polish labour over here? Yes, I think it is.
UKIP are in favour of immigration. UKIP are against mass uncontrolled immigration and favour a New Zealand points system that will allow in Polish or any other WORKERS with necessary skills. The problem is that our own people lack skills because our education system has let them down. UKIP will bring back technical/trade schools and end the dumbing down that goes on in Comprehensive one-size-fits-all system. Blame the Liblabcon for too few British workers.
UKIP has quite a few grandiose ideas but nothing in their manifesto explains where the money will come from to carry them through.
[quote][p][bold]Libertarian Patriot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PeacehavenRed[/bold] wrote: Is that the same Ian Buchanan with property in Bulgaria? The same Ian Buchanan who uses polish labour over here? Yes, I think it is.[/p][/quote]UKIP are in favour of immigration. UKIP are against mass uncontrolled immigration and favour a New Zealand points system that will allow in Polish or any other WORKERS with necessary skills. The problem is that our own people lack skills because our education system has let them down. UKIP will bring back technical/trade schools and end the dumbing down that goes on in Comprehensive one-size-fits-all system. Blame the Liblabcon for too few British workers.[/p][/quote]UKIP has quite a few grandiose ideas but nothing in their manifesto explains where the money will come from to carry them through. Bill in Hanover
  • Score: -3

2:09pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Libertarian Patriot says...

Bill in Hanover wrote:
Libertarian Patriot wrote:
PeacehavenRed wrote:
Is that the same Ian Buchanan with property in Bulgaria? The same Ian Buchanan who uses polish labour over here? Yes, I think it is.
UKIP are in favour of immigration. UKIP are against mass uncontrolled immigration and favour a New Zealand points system that will allow in Polish or any other WORKERS with necessary skills. The problem is that our own people lack skills because our education system has let them down. UKIP will bring back technical/trade schools and end the dumbing down that goes on in Comprehensive one-size-fits-all system. Blame the Liblabcon for too few British workers.
UKIP has quite a few grandiose ideas but nothing in their manifesto explains where the money will come from to carry them through.
Bill in Hanover commented: UKIP has quite a few grandiose ideas but nothing in their manifesto explains where the money will come from to carry them through.

___


The new manifesto will probably come out at around the same time as the establishment parties release theirs.

If we press for a European Free Trade Agreement and ditch the EU we will save around £120bn a year in subscriptions and costs in keeping up with EU regulations and restrictions (See Tim Congdon's report for details). Our £53m a day is substantial and we have a negative trade balance with the EU.

The EU is a financial black hole. They refuse to allow an audit and the books have not been examined for over 12 years. The ECB is going to have to print money to shore up the PIIGS and the ever expanding budget to raise a larger EU army, spy drones and Gendarmerie (a type of Waffen SS force that answers to no one but the EU). It is a top tier of government to European nations that are, like us, perfectly able to run our own countries. One tier of government costs enough already!
[quote][p][bold]Bill in Hanover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Libertarian Patriot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PeacehavenRed[/bold] wrote: Is that the same Ian Buchanan with property in Bulgaria? The same Ian Buchanan who uses polish labour over here? Yes, I think it is.[/p][/quote]UKIP are in favour of immigration. UKIP are against mass uncontrolled immigration and favour a New Zealand points system that will allow in Polish or any other WORKERS with necessary skills. The problem is that our own people lack skills because our education system has let them down. UKIP will bring back technical/trade schools and end the dumbing down that goes on in Comprehensive one-size-fits-all system. Blame the Liblabcon for too few British workers.[/p][/quote]UKIP has quite a few grandiose ideas but nothing in their manifesto explains where the money will come from to carry them through.[/p][/quote]Bill in Hanover commented: UKIP has quite a few grandiose ideas but nothing in their manifesto explains where the money will come from to carry them through. ___ The new manifesto will probably come out at around the same time as the establishment parties release theirs. If we press for a European Free Trade Agreement and ditch the EU we will save around £120bn a year in subscriptions and costs in keeping up with EU regulations and restrictions (See Tim Congdon's report for details). Our £53m a day is substantial and we have a negative trade balance with the EU. The EU is a financial black hole. They refuse to allow an audit and the books have not been examined for over 12 years. The ECB is going to have to print money to shore up the PIIGS and the ever expanding budget to raise a larger EU army, spy drones and Gendarmerie (a type of Waffen SS force that answers to no one but the EU). It is a top tier of government to European nations that are, like us, perfectly able to run our own countries. One tier of government costs enough already! Libertarian Patriot
  • Score: 9

3:37pm Fri 14 Mar 14

RickH says...

Libertarian Patriot posted a number of issues to which I respond:

On attendence: to compare Farage's EP attendence with the current PM, DPM and Leader of the Opposition in the Commons is a fallacy - its hardly like NF is leading a major political party or running a country! And the video clearly betrays his attitude - take the cash and run. And thats without his own recent admission that UKIP has failed in its raison d'etre.

On his voting record in terms of things that are good for consumers: interesting there was no response at all.

On the issue of recent UKIP statements on race, sexuality etc: I agree that there are good and bad in every party and the behaviour of both the Lib Dems and the Conservatives in attempt to cover up serious (sexual) allegations sickens me. But that still does not excuse the others (bad case of moral relativism otherwise) but it does seem that UKIP has more than an reasonable proportion of bad, hence the recent sackings. And just how do you explain the ban on (ex)BNP members - again rather carefully skirted round. And by the way, its OK to use the word 'gay' - homosexual, whilst accurate, is somewhat clinical and archaic these days.

On EU auditing: I think you'll find that the accounts have been published for the past 12 years but have not been signed-off by the auditors; in the main because of in-fighting within OLAF and other EU institutions. A fine but very important distinction.

On the issue of using MEP expenses to fund a political party: it crosses the line into fraud should that actually take place and one you carefully skirted around. Do you deny that a finance person in UKIP was encouraging its MEPs to behave in a criminal manner?

On the issue of Farage's expenses: despite going on national TV and promising to publish those expenses, he has continually failed to do so. Yet another point you carefully ignored.

On your language used: the use of terms like 'EUSSR' and likening the proposed Gendarmerie to the '...Waffen SS...' only goes to show that the mainstay of UKIP's discourse is fear-driven by attempting to compare a supranational bloc based on indirect and direct democractic politics to two well-known and defeated totalitarianist states. At this point, I note Godwin's Law whose invocation realyl does only show howlow UKIP is prepared to sink in order to scare.

Re EFTA: if you were a true student of Europe which you imply (and suggest others become) you'll know that all EFTA states are required to transpose EU regulation in order to be able to trade in and engage with the single market so the cost savings are marginal. And those marginal savings are then blown away by the fact that EFTA states have absolutely no say in negotiations regarding same regulation; they are simply observers with speaking but no voting rights. I suggest that similar to economic castration in terms of engaging with the single market.

Re PC & 'freedom of speech': with rights come responsibilities and certainly not the right to use language that is offensive or unlawful (eg Section 5 of the Public Order Act) And the freedom of speech right can be curtailed under certain circumstances, including national security and ....ta-dah...in cases of hate speech so it certainly ends way before being used to promote racism. And that's without another UKIP MEP suggesting that Muslims sign some form of 'non-agression' statement when settling in the UK.

Judging by your comments and use of language you are one of the three candidates above or someone working for them trotting out the party line from your crib sheet in an attempt to further promote UKIP's message of isolationalism, fear and border-line xenophobia. The England that UKIP hankers after never existed nor, hopefully, will ever exist.

My prediction is that you may picked up some seats at the upcoming EP elections, mainly at the expense of the Lib-Dems and thus manifesting a mid-term protest vote but get nowhere in May 2015.

Dialogue is good but only if based on fact and truth rather than political spin.
Libertarian Patriot posted a number of issues to which I respond: On attendence: to compare Farage's EP attendence with the current PM, DPM and Leader of the Opposition in the Commons is a fallacy - its hardly like NF is leading a major political party or running a country! And the video clearly betrays his attitude - take the cash and run. And thats without his own recent admission that UKIP has failed in its raison d'etre. On his voting record in terms of things that are good for consumers: interesting there was no response at all. On the issue of recent UKIP statements on race, sexuality etc: I agree that there are good and bad in every party and the behaviour of both the Lib Dems and the Conservatives in attempt to cover up serious (sexual) allegations sickens me. But that still does not excuse the others (bad case of moral relativism otherwise) but it does seem that UKIP has more than an reasonable proportion of bad, hence the recent sackings. And just how do you explain the ban on (ex)BNP members - again rather carefully skirted round. And by the way, its OK to use the word 'gay' - homosexual, whilst accurate, is somewhat clinical and archaic these days. On EU auditing: I think you'll find that the accounts have been published for the past 12 years but have not been signed-off by the auditors; in the main because of in-fighting within OLAF and other EU institutions. A fine but very important distinction. On the issue of using MEP expenses to fund a political party: it crosses the line into fraud should that actually take place and one you carefully skirted around. Do you deny that a finance person in UKIP was encouraging its MEPs to behave in a criminal manner? On the issue of Farage's expenses: despite going on national TV and promising to publish those expenses, he has continually failed to do so. Yet another point you carefully ignored. On your language used: the use of terms like 'EUSSR' and likening the proposed Gendarmerie to the '...Waffen SS...' only goes to show that the mainstay of UKIP's discourse is fear-driven by attempting to compare a supranational bloc based on indirect and direct democractic politics to two well-known and defeated totalitarianist states. At this point, I note Godwin's Law whose invocation realyl does only show howlow UKIP is prepared to sink in order to scare. Re EFTA: if you were a true student of Europe which you imply (and suggest others become) you'll know that all EFTA states are required to transpose EU regulation in order to be able to trade in and engage with the single market so the cost savings are marginal. And those marginal savings are then blown away by the fact that EFTA states have absolutely no say in negotiations regarding same regulation; they are simply observers with speaking but no voting rights. I suggest that similar to economic castration in terms of engaging with the single market. Re PC & 'freedom of speech': with rights come responsibilities and certainly not the right to use language that is offensive or unlawful (eg Section 5 of the Public Order Act) And the freedom of speech right can be curtailed under certain circumstances, including national security and ....ta-dah...in cases of hate speech so it certainly ends way before being used to promote racism. And that's without another UKIP MEP suggesting that Muslims sign some form of 'non-agression' statement when settling in the UK. Judging by your comments and use of language you are one of the three candidates above or someone working for them trotting out the party line from your crib sheet in an attempt to further promote UKIP's message of isolationalism, fear and border-line xenophobia. The England that UKIP hankers after never existed nor, hopefully, will ever exist. My prediction is that you may picked up some seats at the upcoming EP elections, mainly at the expense of the Lib-Dems and thus manifesting a mid-term protest vote but get nowhere in May 2015. Dialogue is good but only if based on fact and truth rather than political spin. RickH
  • Score: 0

4:01pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Brighton Living says...

Tough one to crack and quite a challenge, However over the years my family and friends have gone from labour ' who could not manage this county ' and conservative ' who wont manage this country ' over to UKIP as we feel this country is not listening to what us brit's want and simply sell us out every time. I wish UKIP every success and they have my vote in this not so Green town.
Tough one to crack and quite a challenge, However over the years my family and friends have gone from labour ' who could not manage this county ' and conservative ' who wont manage this country ' over to UKIP as we feel this country is not listening to what us brit's want and simply sell us out every time. I wish UKIP every success and they have my vote in this not so Green town. Brighton Living
  • Score: 11

4:10pm Fri 14 Mar 14

p a t r i c k says...

pachallis wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
UKIP are a dangerous party funded by a small number of wealthy donors. Their MEPs have wasted their time in Europe, while maxing out the expenses and if their presence increases after the Euro elections they will continue to obstruct reform.

It time the electorate woke up and saw this climate sceptic party for what it is.
@HJ - of course we all know what the progressive mash-up of green activists with differing plans and objectives, with no 'leader' (only a 'spineless convener)' has achieved in Brighton and Hove?

Don't forget to remind us about 20 mph zones and the resultant increased pollution in the city, little used cycle lanes, MX and gender neutral toilets, the refuse collection strikes and how Kitkat hid in the Town Hall refusing to go to talk to strikers, and how the greens expel Christians who might have their own beliefs.

First rule of marketing - focus on promoting what the greens have actually achieved (I'll provide the postage stamp) rather than talking about the failings of any competition.
I will be voting Labour but it is obvious that the 20 mph speed limits are an excellent thing for Brighton & Hove.

Suggesting that 20 mph limits increase pollution is absolute rubbish.

The lower speeds lead to roads that are more friendly to pedestrians and cyclists. The thing which prevents people from cycling is the fear of being killed by car drivers. With the reduced speed limits we will see more cycling. That means fewer people in cars and of course lower pollution.

The Greens are to be absolutely congratulated for the 20 mph limits. They are the best thing to happen in Brighton & Hove for a long time.
[quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: UKIP are a dangerous party funded by a small number of wealthy donors. Their MEPs have wasted their time in Europe, while maxing out the expenses and if their presence increases after the Euro elections they will continue to obstruct reform. It time the electorate woke up and saw this climate sceptic party for what it is.[/p][/quote]@HJ - of course we all know what the progressive mash-up of green activists with differing plans and objectives, with no 'leader' (only a 'spineless convener)' has achieved in Brighton and Hove? Don't forget to remind us about 20 mph zones and the resultant increased pollution in the city, little used cycle lanes, MX and gender neutral toilets, the refuse collection strikes and how Kitkat hid in the Town Hall refusing to go to talk to strikers, and how the greens expel Christians who might have their own beliefs. First rule of marketing - focus on promoting what the greens have actually achieved (I'll provide the postage stamp) rather than talking about the failings of any competition.[/p][/quote]I will be voting Labour but it is obvious that the 20 mph speed limits are an excellent thing for Brighton & Hove. Suggesting that 20 mph limits increase pollution is absolute rubbish. The lower speeds lead to roads that are more friendly to pedestrians and cyclists. The thing which prevents people from cycling is the fear of being killed by car drivers. With the reduced speed limits we will see more cycling. That means fewer people in cars and of course lower pollution. The Greens are to be absolutely congratulated for the 20 mph limits. They are the best thing to happen in Brighton & Hove for a long time. p a t r i c k
  • Score: -13

4:19pm Fri 14 Mar 14

p a t r i c k says...

Fight_Back wrote:
Ania Green wrote:
UKIP are a small insignificant party that rely almost totally on a small number of rich donors to fund their crazy schemes and policies.

It's about time people woke up and saw them for the racist and xenophobic party they really are.
I'm amazed it took this long for the words "racist" and "xenophobic" to be used. They tend to be used by people when they have nothing to add to the debate.

And if your are, as some suspect, Ania Kitcat, then I'll remind you that you called us Brightonians and Hovites "inbreds" - pot, kettle and black springs to mind.

So running our council we have the following Greens :

Ben Duncan - a supporter of violent protest
Christoper Hawtree - a councillor who thinks running a major city is a bit of "a lark"
Ania Kitcat - a racist

Yes, the local Green Party is made up of really honourable and upstanding people ..... not.
I am not a Green part supporter but at least the Green party people perform the roles that they are paid for, unlike UKIP who have an appalling record of turning up at the European Parliament.

UKIP's European Parliamentary grouping is made up for the most part of extreme right wing parties. UKIP claim this is a marriage of convenience, however their participating in that group does help further the aims of the extreme right wing parties that are also in it.

UKIP obtained a significant amount of support very quickly by scare-mongering about immigrants, by promoting homophobia and peddling misinformation about the EU.

Any party that was willing to behave like that could have had a rapid increase in support like UKIP because unfortunately about 10% of the UK population finds this kind of politics attractive.

As UKIP will find out to their cost, while about 10% of the population finds their politics attractive, 90% of them find them to be absolutely repulsive.

This is why there will be no earthquake at the European parliamentary elections and why UKIP will be very lucky to get any seats at Westminster in 2015.
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ania Green[/bold] wrote: UKIP are a small insignificant party that rely almost totally on a small number of rich donors to fund their crazy schemes and policies. It's about time people woke up and saw them for the racist and xenophobic party they really are.[/p][/quote]I'm amazed it took this long for the words "racist" and "xenophobic" to be used. They tend to be used by people when they have nothing to add to the debate. And if your are, as some suspect, Ania Kitcat, then I'll remind you that you called us Brightonians and Hovites "inbreds" - pot, kettle and black springs to mind. So running our council we have the following Greens : Ben Duncan - a supporter of violent protest Christoper Hawtree - a councillor who thinks running a major city is a bit of "a lark" Ania Kitcat - a racist Yes, the local Green Party is made up of really honourable and upstanding people ..... not.[/p][/quote]I am not a Green part supporter but at least the Green party people perform the roles that they are paid for, unlike UKIP who have an appalling record of turning up at the European Parliament. UKIP's European Parliamentary grouping is made up for the most part of extreme right wing parties. UKIP claim this is a marriage of convenience, however their participating in that group does help further the aims of the extreme right wing parties that are also in it. UKIP obtained a significant amount of support very quickly by scare-mongering about immigrants, by promoting homophobia and peddling misinformation about the EU. Any party that was willing to behave like that could have had a rapid increase in support like UKIP because unfortunately about 10% of the UK population finds this kind of politics attractive. As UKIP will find out to their cost, while about 10% of the population finds their politics attractive, 90% of them find them to be absolutely repulsive. This is why there will be no earthquake at the European parliamentary elections and why UKIP will be very lucky to get any seats at Westminster in 2015. p a t r i c k
  • Score: -13

4:22pm Fri 14 Mar 14

p a t r i c k says...

Fight_Back wrote:
I find it strange that people automatically tag UKIP with being right wing. Their main aim is withdrawal from the EU.

We've lost two public figures this week that utterly agreed with this aim - Bob Crow and Tony Benn - would anyone dare to suggest they were anything but hardened socialists ?
UKIP are extremely right wing indeed. Opposition to EU membership is not right wing in itself of course, however UKIP actual opposition is for right wing reasons.

More to the point, UKIP's policies such as the flat rate of tax and many statements, their deputy leader wishes to abolish the NHS for example, demonstrate that this is an extremely right wing party.
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: I find it strange that people automatically tag UKIP with being right wing. Their main aim is withdrawal from the EU. We've lost two public figures this week that utterly agreed with this aim - Bob Crow and Tony Benn - would anyone dare to suggest they were anything but hardened socialists ?[/p][/quote]UKIP are extremely right wing indeed. Opposition to EU membership is not right wing in itself of course, however UKIP actual opposition is for right wing reasons. More to the point, UKIP's policies such as the flat rate of tax and many statements, their deputy leader wishes to abolish the NHS for example, demonstrate that this is an extremely right wing party. p a t r i c k
  • Score: -12

4:28pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Libertarian Patriot says...

RickH wrote:
Libertarian Patriot posted a number of issues to which I respond:

On attendence: to compare Farage's EP attendence with the current PM, DPM and Leader of the Opposition in the Commons is a fallacy - its hardly like NF is leading a major political party or running a country! And the video clearly betrays his attitude - take the cash and run. And thats without his own recent admission that UKIP has failed in its raison d'etre.

On his voting record in terms of things that are good for consumers: interesting there was no response at all.

On the issue of recent UKIP statements on race, sexuality etc: I agree that there are good and bad in every party and the behaviour of both the Lib Dems and the Conservatives in attempt to cover up serious (sexual) allegations sickens me. But that still does not excuse the others (bad case of moral relativism otherwise) but it does seem that UKIP has more than an reasonable proportion of bad, hence the recent sackings. And just how do you explain the ban on (ex)BNP members - again rather carefully skirted round. And by the way, its OK to use the word 'gay' - homosexual, whilst accurate, is somewhat clinical and archaic these days.

On EU auditing: I think you'll find that the accounts have been published for the past 12 years but have not been signed-off by the auditors; in the main because of in-fighting within OLAF and other EU institutions. A fine but very important distinction.

On the issue of using MEP expenses to fund a political party: it crosses the line into fraud should that actually take place and one you carefully skirted around. Do you deny that a finance person in UKIP was encouraging its MEPs to behave in a criminal manner?

On the issue of Farage's expenses: despite going on national TV and promising to publish those expenses, he has continually failed to do so. Yet another point you carefully ignored.

On your language used: the use of terms like 'EUSSR' and likening the proposed Gendarmerie to the '...Waffen SS...' only goes to show that the mainstay of UKIP's discourse is fear-driven by attempting to compare a supranational bloc based on indirect and direct democractic politics to two well-known and defeated totalitarianist states. At this point, I note Godwin's Law whose invocation realyl does only show howlow UKIP is prepared to sink in order to scare.

Re EFTA: if you were a true student of Europe which you imply (and suggest others become) you'll know that all EFTA states are required to transpose EU regulation in order to be able to trade in and engage with the single market so the cost savings are marginal. And those marginal savings are then blown away by the fact that EFTA states have absolutely no say in negotiations regarding same regulation; they are simply observers with speaking but no voting rights. I suggest that similar to economic castration in terms of engaging with the single market.

Re PC & 'freedom of speech': with rights come responsibilities and certainly not the right to use language that is offensive or unlawful (eg Section 5 of the Public Order Act) And the freedom of speech right can be curtailed under certain circumstances, including national security and ....ta-dah...in cases of hate speech so it certainly ends way before being used to promote racism. And that's without another UKIP MEP suggesting that Muslims sign some form of 'non-agression' statement when settling in the UK.

Judging by your comments and use of language you are one of the three candidates above or someone working for them trotting out the party line from your crib sheet in an attempt to further promote UKIP's message of isolationalism, fear and border-line xenophobia. The England that UKIP hankers after never existed nor, hopefully, will ever exist.

My prediction is that you may picked up some seats at the upcoming EP elections, mainly at the expense of the Lib-Dems and thus manifesting a mid-term protest vote but get nowhere in May 2015.

Dialogue is good but only if based on fact and truth rather than political spin.
1. UKIP is now a major party and was recently recognised by OFCOM as such with the right to twice as much broadcasting time as before. UKIP won 25% of the national vote in the 2013 local elections and beat the Tories into 3rd place in the last 5 Parliamentary by-elections.

2. I do not know the details about the roaming charges but it appears it was tied to another issue relating to the US. The main issue is EU control and our vanishing sovereignty.

3. You say UKIP have "more than a reasonable number " of bad people and yet name but a handful. Every party, like every police force will have bad apples and UKIP are saying the Liblabcon policies are destroying Britain as evidenced by our debt, our falling education standards, the NHS and so on. Focusing on personalities and avoiding the main issues is precisely what Digger Campbell is doing to try to get Dave back in power after 2015.

4. I prefer to use the more "clinical" terms heterosexual, bi-sexual or homosexual as it is more accurate. I am a fan of George Orwell and recognise the danger in changing the meaning of language to make some things more palatable or to obfuscate true meaning. For example why refer to adultery as something that sounds romantic by the use of a French word "affair" or "liaison?"

5. The EU accounts have not be signed therefore no valid audit exists. No company could exist with such a state of affairs ongoing for so many years.

6. An MEP, MP or any other politician may spend their salary as they see fit. If Farage want to spend his on UKIP more power to him. If the EU salary was limited as to what items it could be used for it would be a different matter.

7. We should fear what is happening in Europe. Churchill was accused of fear mongering in the years leading up to WW2 when the forerunner of today's EU was being built. Go to the Eurogendarmerie's website and you will see why you should be afraid. This is a paramilitary force, illegal in the UK, but one which can, under Lisbon, be invited into our country to "pacify" dissent. History demonstrates many attempts by European Empires to wage war against us and Hegel points out, correctly in my view, that history repeats.

8. When I refer to EFTA I propose a new EFTA type agreement that will capture the original intent. There are no arguments that I have heard to justify political integration beyond a free trade agreement. The EU is about a Federal State that will relegate national government to vassal status.

9. UKIP wants a free Britain, a libertarian Britain where the stifling effects of PC are destroyed (see Cristina Odone in today's Telegraph--usually a critic of UKIP and a pro-Eu liberal but she has come out against PC). A Britain that values freedom of speech and expression and even the right to offend. A Britain with our own government and legal system free form the domination and control of a foreign body.
[quote][p][bold]RickH[/bold] wrote: Libertarian Patriot posted a number of issues to which I respond: On attendence: to compare Farage's EP attendence with the current PM, DPM and Leader of the Opposition in the Commons is a fallacy - its hardly like NF is leading a major political party or running a country! And the video clearly betrays his attitude - take the cash and run. And thats without his own recent admission that UKIP has failed in its raison d'etre. On his voting record in terms of things that are good for consumers: interesting there was no response at all. On the issue of recent UKIP statements on race, sexuality etc: I agree that there are good and bad in every party and the behaviour of both the Lib Dems and the Conservatives in attempt to cover up serious (sexual) allegations sickens me. But that still does not excuse the others (bad case of moral relativism otherwise) but it does seem that UKIP has more than an reasonable proportion of bad, hence the recent sackings. And just how do you explain the ban on (ex)BNP members - again rather carefully skirted round. And by the way, its OK to use the word 'gay' - homosexual, whilst accurate, is somewhat clinical and archaic these days. On EU auditing: I think you'll find that the accounts have been published for the past 12 years but have not been signed-off by the auditors; in the main because of in-fighting within OLAF and other EU institutions. A fine but very important distinction. On the issue of using MEP expenses to fund a political party: it crosses the line into fraud should that actually take place and one you carefully skirted around. Do you deny that a finance person in UKIP was encouraging its MEPs to behave in a criminal manner? On the issue of Farage's expenses: despite going on national TV and promising to publish those expenses, he has continually failed to do so. Yet another point you carefully ignored. On your language used: the use of terms like 'EUSSR' and likening the proposed Gendarmerie to the '...Waffen SS...' only goes to show that the mainstay of UKIP's discourse is fear-driven by attempting to compare a supranational bloc based on indirect and direct democractic politics to two well-known and defeated totalitarianist states. At this point, I note Godwin's Law whose invocation realyl does only show howlow UKIP is prepared to sink in order to scare. Re EFTA: if you were a true student of Europe which you imply (and suggest others become) you'll know that all EFTA states are required to transpose EU regulation in order to be able to trade in and engage with the single market so the cost savings are marginal. And those marginal savings are then blown away by the fact that EFTA states have absolutely no say in negotiations regarding same regulation; they are simply observers with speaking but no voting rights. I suggest that similar to economic castration in terms of engaging with the single market. Re PC & 'freedom of speech': with rights come responsibilities and certainly not the right to use language that is offensive or unlawful (eg Section 5 of the Public Order Act) And the freedom of speech right can be curtailed under certain circumstances, including national security and ....ta-dah...in cases of hate speech so it certainly ends way before being used to promote racism. And that's without another UKIP MEP suggesting that Muslims sign some form of 'non-agression' statement when settling in the UK. Judging by your comments and use of language you are one of the three candidates above or someone working for them trotting out the party line from your crib sheet in an attempt to further promote UKIP's message of isolationalism, fear and border-line xenophobia. The England that UKIP hankers after never existed nor, hopefully, will ever exist. My prediction is that you may picked up some seats at the upcoming EP elections, mainly at the expense of the Lib-Dems and thus manifesting a mid-term protest vote but get nowhere in May 2015. Dialogue is good but only if based on fact and truth rather than political spin.[/p][/quote]1. UKIP is now a major party and was recently recognised by OFCOM as such with the right to twice as much broadcasting time as before. UKIP won 25% of the national vote in the 2013 local elections and beat the Tories into 3rd place in the last 5 Parliamentary by-elections. 2. I do not know the details about the roaming charges but it appears it was tied to another issue relating to the US. The main issue is EU control and our vanishing sovereignty. 3. You say UKIP have "more than a reasonable number " of bad people and yet name but a handful. Every party, like every police force will have bad apples and UKIP are saying the Liblabcon policies are destroying Britain as evidenced by our debt, our falling education standards, the NHS and so on. Focusing on personalities and avoiding the main issues is precisely what Digger Campbell is doing to try to get Dave back in power after 2015. 4. I prefer to use the more "clinical" terms heterosexual, bi-sexual or homosexual as it is more accurate. I am a fan of George Orwell and recognise the danger in changing the meaning of language to make some things more palatable or to obfuscate true meaning. For example why refer to adultery as something that sounds romantic by the use of a French word "affair" or "liaison?" 5. The EU accounts have not be signed therefore no valid audit exists. No company could exist with such a state of affairs ongoing for so many years. 6. An MEP, MP or any other politician may spend their salary as they see fit. If Farage want to spend his on UKIP more power to him. If the EU salary was limited as to what items it could be used for it would be a different matter. 7. We should fear what is happening in Europe. Churchill was accused of fear mongering in the years leading up to WW2 when the forerunner of today's EU was being built. Go to the Eurogendarmerie's website and you will see why you should be afraid. This is a paramilitary force, illegal in the UK, but one which can, under Lisbon, be invited into our country to "pacify" dissent. History demonstrates many attempts by European Empires to wage war against us and Hegel points out, correctly in my view, that history repeats. 8. When I refer to EFTA I propose a new EFTA type agreement that will capture the original intent. There are no arguments that I have heard to justify political integration beyond a free trade agreement. The EU is about a Federal State that will relegate national government to vassal status. 9. UKIP wants a free Britain, a libertarian Britain where the stifling effects of PC are destroyed (see Cristina Odone in today's Telegraph--usually a critic of UKIP and a pro-Eu liberal but she has come out against PC). A Britain that values freedom of speech and expression and even the right to offend. A Britain with our own government and legal system free form the domination and control of a foreign body. Libertarian Patriot
  • Score: 7

4:32pm Fri 14 Mar 14

p a t r i c k says...

Libertarian Patriot wrote:
UKIP are a libertarian party that stands out against the old line establishment parties. UKIP are largely funded by grass roots membership with as yet few corporate or wealthy donors. Roger "The Who" Daltry, an iconic and Brighton connected rock star, was reported recently as saying he may switch his allegiance from Labour to UKIP because several of his mates had lost jobs to new arrivals from overseas. Many grass roots Labour supporters are joining the new British party because we need to stop discriminating against our own people in favour of immigrants.

UKIP are a pro-Europe party and fervently believe in forming a new European Free Trade Agreement which was the original vision and the reason many of us supported the early trade treaties. However, the EU is much more about political assimilation than free trade and few people can come up with a solid reason why we need to be politically controlled by Brussels in order to be "in Europe."

According to Gallup Europe's poll in September 2013, over 70% of Europeans said they opposed the EU and that included over 50% of Germans aged under 50. The EU may be okay for the older generation wanting a return to the glory days of pre-WW2 but more younger people are waking up to the fact that the EU is about control and not liberty.

Very few people are aware that the EU has a special para-military force formed with the cooperation of just 8 nations within the EU. It is known as the Euro-gendarmerie and it can be called into crush riots or rebellion and not be accountable to local laws. Its motto is "peace through pacification" which should send of a few alarm bells.

Last year the EU announced a drone project costing millions of Euros and it does not take much imagination to work out what these drones might be used for. If you are wondering, read George Orwell's "1984" because it is a prophetic book that sees an Empire rising in Europe that will have its own flag (the EU has its own flag), its own patriotic song (the EU has a German song), its own para-military and flying machines that spy. It will be known as "Big Brother" and he is always watching you.

But the EU is much more that a future threat to our liberty and freedom. It costs £53M a day and overall costs to the British people are estimated by noted economist Tim Congdon at £120BN a year. UKIP say that money could be invested in the NHS (which they are in favour of unlike the Tories who are privatising it by stealth as it is run down year by year). The EU are our de facto top tier of government making Westminster nothing more than a local county council in terms of its powers. The EU are our supreme source of laws with the ECHR, made possible by the EU, directing our courts on an every widening variety of areas. The EU last year began commissioning "Embassies" around the world at massive cost and they still have not allowed a general audit for over 12 years. The financial black hole is inestimable and you and I are paying for it all.

We are losing out to immigrants because too many of our young people are poorly equipped to compete in the global economy. The OECD reported last year that we British failed to score in the top 20 in any single subject. No wonder foreigners march in and get the jobs and they will work for less too. UKIP want to bring back classless grammar schools and technical schools to recognise the diversity in our population and the reality that some are gifted in the arts and others in the practical which does not make them better than one or the other, just different. Without diversity of skills we are finished. The Liblabcon's investment in dumbing down our education system with comprehensive schools has led to the result we see from the OECD. Dumbed down.

Our house prices and availability of housing is under extreme pressure due to enormous demand caused by mass and uncontrolled immigration. Ever wonder why Brighton area is so expensive? A large part of the reason is increasing demand and inadequate supply. Greens wake up--where are all the millions of houses and flats going to be built if the vast numbers do not stop coming in?

The NHS is failing and UKIP want to use tens of millions saved from shoring up the political black hole in Brussels to improve our own health system. UKIP want to dramatically cut back on over paid and over-bonused managers and reinforce practical on-the-job training for nurses by bringing back the two tier system of SRN and SEN. Last week it was reported that Chichester had recruited 60 new nurses--from overseas. UKIP will make sure these kinds of professional jobs go to well trained British nurses as our young people need jobs!

UKIP is in favour of immigration. However, UKIP is not in favour of mass and uncontrolled immigration favoured by the establishment Liblabcon. UKIP propose that we follow our commonwealth nations and introduce a common-sense points system allowing people in who can contribute and support themselves for a reasonable number of years before becoming eligible for benefits. It works for New Zealand, Canada, Australia and it will work for us. But under the EU we are not allowed to have a common sense based immigration system as it is come one, come all, no matter who or what you are.

Britain is the most crowded nation in Europe and third most crowded in the world. The Greens will tell you that such numbers in concentrated areas add to pollution and many other environmental issues. The Greens need to support UKIP!

Finally, UKIP is not a racist party. Most of Europe and most of us are against immigration in mass numbers for all of the above reasons. None are to do with ethnicity (there is only one race: human). It is about numbers and UKIP believes that MLK got it right when he said we must judge a person by the content of their character and not the colour of their skin. UKIP have multi-ethnic people on board and would like more as Britain is about the British and that is all of us here and here lawfully and who want to see our nation become great again through better education, an independent parliament and legal system, a functional NHS, a strong defence force and able to trade globally without having to go through Brussels to sign new international trade agreements.

Take a risk, join UKIP and love Britain!
You write that UKIP is a libertarian party, but what is meant by that is economic libertarianism what most people recognise as being very right wing.

You claim that UKIP are pro-NHS, but UKIP's deputy leader wishes to see the NHS abolished.

You make all kinds of absurd claims about the EU and immigration.

The benefits of the EU are enormous. It gives UK manufacturers access to the huge market of the EU. If the UK left the EU those manufacturers would leave the UK creating massive unemployment.

Your "facts" about the EU and immigration are truly deluded. You are a classic UKIP supporter, no doubt about that. Peddling any pack of lies that suits your right wing objectives.

In the European parliament UKIP shares their grouping with extreme right wing parties. By participating in that grouping UKIP is advancing the causes of those extreme right wing parties.

All people must be aware of the dangerous nature of UKIP.
[quote][p][bold]Libertarian Patriot[/bold] wrote: UKIP are a libertarian party that stands out against the old line establishment parties. UKIP are largely funded by grass roots membership with as yet few corporate or wealthy donors. Roger "The Who" Daltry, an iconic and Brighton connected rock star, was reported recently as saying he may switch his allegiance from Labour to UKIP because several of his mates had lost jobs to new arrivals from overseas. Many grass roots Labour supporters are joining the new British party because we need to stop discriminating against our own people in favour of immigrants. UKIP are a pro-Europe party and fervently believe in forming a new European Free Trade Agreement which was the original vision and the reason many of us supported the early trade treaties. However, the EU is much more about political assimilation than free trade and few people can come up with a solid reason why we need to be politically controlled by Brussels in order to be "in Europe." According to Gallup Europe's poll in September 2013, over 70% of Europeans said they opposed the EU and that included over 50% of Germans aged under 50. The EU may be okay for the older generation wanting a return to the glory days of pre-WW2 but more younger people are waking up to the fact that the EU is about control and not liberty. Very few people are aware that the EU has a special para-military force formed with the cooperation of just 8 nations within the EU. It is known as the Euro-gendarmerie and it can be called into crush riots or rebellion and not be accountable to local laws. Its motto is "peace through pacification" which should send of a few alarm bells. Last year the EU announced a drone project costing millions of Euros and it does not take much imagination to work out what these drones might be used for. If you are wondering, read George Orwell's "1984" because it is a prophetic book that sees an Empire rising in Europe that will have its own flag (the EU has its own flag), its own patriotic song (the EU has a German song), its own para-military and flying machines that spy. It will be known as "Big Brother" and he is always watching you. But the EU is much more that a future threat to our liberty and freedom. It costs £53M a day and overall costs to the British people are estimated by noted economist Tim Congdon at £120BN a year. UKIP say that money could be invested in the NHS (which they are in favour of unlike the Tories who are privatising it by stealth as it is run down year by year). The EU are our de facto top tier of government making Westminster nothing more than a local county council in terms of its powers. The EU are our supreme source of laws with the ECHR, made possible by the EU, directing our courts on an every widening variety of areas. The EU last year began commissioning "Embassies" around the world at massive cost and they still have not allowed a general audit for over 12 years. The financial black hole is inestimable and you and I are paying for it all. We are losing out to immigrants because too many of our young people are poorly equipped to compete in the global economy. The OECD reported last year that we British failed to score in the top 20 in any single subject. No wonder foreigners march in and get the jobs and they will work for less too. UKIP want to bring back classless grammar schools and technical schools to recognise the diversity in our population and the reality that some are gifted in the arts and others in the practical which does not make them better than one or the other, just different. Without diversity of skills we are finished. The Liblabcon's investment in dumbing down our education system with comprehensive schools has led to the result we see from the OECD. Dumbed down. Our house prices and availability of housing is under extreme pressure due to enormous demand caused by mass and uncontrolled immigration. Ever wonder why Brighton area is so expensive? A large part of the reason is increasing demand and inadequate supply. Greens wake up--where are all the millions of houses and flats going to be built if the vast numbers do not stop coming in? The NHS is failing and UKIP want to use tens of millions saved from shoring up the political black hole in Brussels to improve our own health system. UKIP want to dramatically cut back on over paid and over-bonused managers and reinforce practical on-the-job training for nurses by bringing back the two tier system of SRN and SEN. Last week it was reported that Chichester had recruited 60 new nurses--from overseas. UKIP will make sure these kinds of professional jobs go to well trained British nurses as our young people need jobs! UKIP is in favour of immigration. However, UKIP is not in favour of mass and uncontrolled immigration favoured by the establishment Liblabcon. UKIP propose that we follow our commonwealth nations and introduce a common-sense points system allowing people in who can contribute and support themselves for a reasonable number of years before becoming eligible for benefits. It works for New Zealand, Canada, Australia and it will work for us. But under the EU we are not allowed to have a common sense based immigration system as it is come one, come all, no matter who or what you are. Britain is the most crowded nation in Europe and third most crowded in the world. The Greens will tell you that such numbers in concentrated areas add to pollution and many other environmental issues. The Greens need to support UKIP! Finally, UKIP is not a racist party. Most of Europe and most of us are against immigration in mass numbers for all of the above reasons. None are to do with ethnicity (there is only one race: human). It is about numbers and UKIP believes that MLK got it right when he said we must judge a person by the content of their character and not the colour of their skin. UKIP have multi-ethnic people on board and would like more as Britain is about the British and that is all of us here and here lawfully and who want to see our nation become great again through better education, an independent parliament and legal system, a functional NHS, a strong defence force and able to trade globally without having to go through Brussels to sign new international trade agreements. Take a risk, join UKIP and love Britain![/p][/quote]You write that UKIP is a libertarian party, but what is meant by that is economic libertarianism what most people recognise as being very right wing. You claim that UKIP are pro-NHS, but UKIP's deputy leader wishes to see the NHS abolished. You make all kinds of absurd claims about the EU and immigration. The benefits of the EU are enormous. It gives UK manufacturers access to the huge market of the EU. If the UK left the EU those manufacturers would leave the UK creating massive unemployment. Your "facts" about the EU and immigration are truly deluded. You are a classic UKIP supporter, no doubt about that. Peddling any pack of lies that suits your right wing objectives. In the European parliament UKIP shares their grouping with extreme right wing parties. By participating in that grouping UKIP is advancing the causes of those extreme right wing parties. All people must be aware of the dangerous nature of UKIP. p a t r i c k
  • Score: -11

4:33pm Fri 14 Mar 14

p a t r i c k says...

billy goat-gruff wrote:
Thankfully the small number of Argus moaners who might vote for UKIP are probably too lazy to get out of their oversized cars to actually cast their votes! Save your money, UKIP, you'll lose your deposit in Brighton!
Yes billy, that is very true.
[quote][p][bold]billy goat-gruff[/bold] wrote: Thankfully the small number of Argus moaners who might vote for UKIP are probably too lazy to get out of their oversized cars to actually cast their votes! Save your money, UKIP, you'll lose your deposit in Brighton![/p][/quote]Yes billy, that is very true. p a t r i c k
  • Score: -8

4:37pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Brighton Living says...

p a t r i c k wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
Ania Green wrote:
UKIP are a small insignificant party that rely almost totally on a small number of rich donors to fund their crazy schemes and policies.

It's about time people woke up and saw them for the racist and xenophobic party they really are.
I'm amazed it took this long for the words "racist" and "xenophobic" to be used. They tend to be used by people when they have nothing to add to the debate.

And if your are, as some suspect, Ania Kitcat, then I'll remind you that you called us Brightonians and Hovites "inbreds" - pot, kettle and black springs to mind.

So running our council we have the following Greens :

Ben Duncan - a supporter of violent protest
Christoper Hawtree - a councillor who thinks running a major city is a bit of "a lark"
Ania Kitcat - a racist

Yes, the local Green Party is made up of really honourable and upstanding people ..... not.
I am not a Green part supporter but at least the Green party people perform the roles that they are paid for, unlike UKIP who have an appalling record of turning up at the European Parliament.

UKIP's European Parliamentary grouping is made up for the most part of extreme right wing parties. UKIP claim this is a marriage of convenience, however their participating in that group does help further the aims of the extreme right wing parties that are also in it.

UKIP obtained a significant amount of support very quickly by scare-mongering about immigrants, by promoting homophobia and peddling misinformation about the EU.

Any party that was willing to behave like that could have had a rapid increase in support like UKIP because unfortunately about 10% of the UK population finds this kind of politics attractive.

As UKIP will find out to their cost, while about 10% of the population finds their politics attractive, 90% of them find them to be absolutely repulsive.

This is why there will be no earthquake at the European parliamentary elections and why UKIP will be very lucky to get any seats at Westminster in 2015.
Looks like somebody is not living in the 21st centre!!!!
[quote][p][bold]p a t r i c k[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ania Green[/bold] wrote: UKIP are a small insignificant party that rely almost totally on a small number of rich donors to fund their crazy schemes and policies. It's about time people woke up and saw them for the racist and xenophobic party they really are.[/p][/quote]I'm amazed it took this long for the words "racist" and "xenophobic" to be used. They tend to be used by people when they have nothing to add to the debate. And if your are, as some suspect, Ania Kitcat, then I'll remind you that you called us Brightonians and Hovites "inbreds" - pot, kettle and black springs to mind. So running our council we have the following Greens : Ben Duncan - a supporter of violent protest Christoper Hawtree - a councillor who thinks running a major city is a bit of "a lark" Ania Kitcat - a racist Yes, the local Green Party is made up of really honourable and upstanding people ..... not.[/p][/quote]I am not a Green part supporter but at least the Green party people perform the roles that they are paid for, unlike UKIP who have an appalling record of turning up at the European Parliament. UKIP's European Parliamentary grouping is made up for the most part of extreme right wing parties. UKIP claim this is a marriage of convenience, however their participating in that group does help further the aims of the extreme right wing parties that are also in it. UKIP obtained a significant amount of support very quickly by scare-mongering about immigrants, by promoting homophobia and peddling misinformation about the EU. Any party that was willing to behave like that could have had a rapid increase in support like UKIP because unfortunately about 10% of the UK population finds this kind of politics attractive. As UKIP will find out to their cost, while about 10% of the population finds their politics attractive, 90% of them find them to be absolutely repulsive. This is why there will be no earthquake at the European parliamentary elections and why UKIP will be very lucky to get any seats at Westminster in 2015.[/p][/quote]Looks like somebody is not living in the 21st centre!!!! Brighton Living
  • Score: 7

4:39pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Brighton Living says...

p a t r i c k wrote:
Libertarian Patriot wrote:
UKIP are a libertarian party that stands out against the old line establishment parties. UKIP are largely funded by grass roots membership with as yet few corporate or wealthy donors. Roger "The Who" Daltry, an iconic and Brighton connected rock star, was reported recently as saying he may switch his allegiance from Labour to UKIP because several of his mates had lost jobs to new arrivals from overseas. Many grass roots Labour supporters are joining the new British party because we need to stop discriminating against our own people in favour of immigrants.

UKIP are a pro-Europe party and fervently believe in forming a new European Free Trade Agreement which was the original vision and the reason many of us supported the early trade treaties. However, the EU is much more about political assimilation than free trade and few people can come up with a solid reason why we need to be politically controlled by Brussels in order to be "in Europe."

According to Gallup Europe's poll in September 2013, over 70% of Europeans said they opposed the EU and that included over 50% of Germans aged under 50. The EU may be okay for the older generation wanting a return to the glory days of pre-WW2 but more younger people are waking up to the fact that the EU is about control and not liberty.

Very few people are aware that the EU has a special para-military force formed with the cooperation of just 8 nations within the EU. It is known as the Euro-gendarmerie and it can be called into crush riots or rebellion and not be accountable to local laws. Its motto is "peace through pacification" which should send of a few alarm bells.

Last year the EU announced a drone project costing millions of Euros and it does not take much imagination to work out what these drones might be used for. If you are wondering, read George Orwell's "1984" because it is a prophetic book that sees an Empire rising in Europe that will have its own flag (the EU has its own flag), its own patriotic song (the EU has a German song), its own para-military and flying machines that spy. It will be known as "Big Brother" and he is always watching you.

But the EU is much more that a future threat to our liberty and freedom. It costs £53M a day and overall costs to the British people are estimated by noted economist Tim Congdon at £120BN a year. UKIP say that money could be invested in the NHS (which they are in favour of unlike the Tories who are privatising it by stealth as it is run down year by year). The EU are our de facto top tier of government making Westminster nothing more than a local county council in terms of its powers. The EU are our supreme source of laws with the ECHR, made possible by the EU, directing our courts on an every widening variety of areas. The EU last year began commissioning "Embassies" around the world at massive cost and they still have not allowed a general audit for over 12 years. The financial black hole is inestimable and you and I are paying for it all.

We are losing out to immigrants because too many of our young people are poorly equipped to compete in the global economy. The OECD reported last year that we British failed to score in the top 20 in any single subject. No wonder foreigners march in and get the jobs and they will work for less too. UKIP want to bring back classless grammar schools and technical schools to recognise the diversity in our population and the reality that some are gifted in the arts and others in the practical which does not make them better than one or the other, just different. Without diversity of skills we are finished. The Liblabcon's investment in dumbing down our education system with comprehensive schools has led to the result we see from the OECD. Dumbed down.

Our house prices and availability of housing is under extreme pressure due to enormous demand caused by mass and uncontrolled immigration. Ever wonder why Brighton area is so expensive? A large part of the reason is increasing demand and inadequate supply. Greens wake up--where are all the millions of houses and flats going to be built if the vast numbers do not stop coming in?

The NHS is failing and UKIP want to use tens of millions saved from shoring up the political black hole in Brussels to improve our own health system. UKIP want to dramatically cut back on over paid and over-bonused managers and reinforce practical on-the-job training for nurses by bringing back the two tier system of SRN and SEN. Last week it was reported that Chichester had recruited 60 new nurses--from overseas. UKIP will make sure these kinds of professional jobs go to well trained British nurses as our young people need jobs!

UKIP is in favour of immigration. However, UKIP is not in favour of mass and uncontrolled immigration favoured by the establishment Liblabcon. UKIP propose that we follow our commonwealth nations and introduce a common-sense points system allowing people in who can contribute and support themselves for a reasonable number of years before becoming eligible for benefits. It works for New Zealand, Canada, Australia and it will work for us. But under the EU we are not allowed to have a common sense based immigration system as it is come one, come all, no matter who or what you are.

Britain is the most crowded nation in Europe and third most crowded in the world. The Greens will tell you that such numbers in concentrated areas add to pollution and many other environmental issues. The Greens need to support UKIP!

Finally, UKIP is not a racist party. Most of Europe and most of us are against immigration in mass numbers for all of the above reasons. None are to do with ethnicity (there is only one race: human). It is about numbers and UKIP believes that MLK got it right when he said we must judge a person by the content of their character and not the colour of their skin. UKIP have multi-ethnic people on board and would like more as Britain is about the British and that is all of us here and here lawfully and who want to see our nation become great again through better education, an independent parliament and legal system, a functional NHS, a strong defence force and able to trade globally without having to go through Brussels to sign new international trade agreements.

Take a risk, join UKIP and love Britain!
You write that UKIP is a libertarian party, but what is meant by that is economic libertarianism what most people recognise as being very right wing.

You claim that UKIP are pro-NHS, but UKIP's deputy leader wishes to see the NHS abolished.

You make all kinds of absurd claims about the EU and immigration.

The benefits of the EU are enormous. It gives UK manufacturers access to the huge market of the EU. If the UK left the EU those manufacturers would leave the UK creating massive unemployment.

Your "facts" about the EU and immigration are truly deluded. You are a classic UKIP supporter, no doubt about that. Peddling any pack of lies that suits your right wing objectives.

In the European parliament UKIP shares their grouping with extreme right wing parties. By participating in that grouping UKIP is advancing the causes of those extreme right wing parties.

All people must be aware of the dangerous nature of UKIP.
dangerous nature of UKIP ??? like any other party isn't dangerous .
[quote][p][bold]p a t r i c k[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Libertarian Patriot[/bold] wrote: UKIP are a libertarian party that stands out against the old line establishment parties. UKIP are largely funded by grass roots membership with as yet few corporate or wealthy donors. Roger "The Who" Daltry, an iconic and Brighton connected rock star, was reported recently as saying he may switch his allegiance from Labour to UKIP because several of his mates had lost jobs to new arrivals from overseas. Many grass roots Labour supporters are joining the new British party because we need to stop discriminating against our own people in favour of immigrants. UKIP are a pro-Europe party and fervently believe in forming a new European Free Trade Agreement which was the original vision and the reason many of us supported the early trade treaties. However, the EU is much more about political assimilation than free trade and few people can come up with a solid reason why we need to be politically controlled by Brussels in order to be "in Europe." According to Gallup Europe's poll in September 2013, over 70% of Europeans said they opposed the EU and that included over 50% of Germans aged under 50. The EU may be okay for the older generation wanting a return to the glory days of pre-WW2 but more younger people are waking up to the fact that the EU is about control and not liberty. Very few people are aware that the EU has a special para-military force formed with the cooperation of just 8 nations within the EU. It is known as the Euro-gendarmerie and it can be called into crush riots or rebellion and not be accountable to local laws. Its motto is "peace through pacification" which should send of a few alarm bells. Last year the EU announced a drone project costing millions of Euros and it does not take much imagination to work out what these drones might be used for. If you are wondering, read George Orwell's "1984" because it is a prophetic book that sees an Empire rising in Europe that will have its own flag (the EU has its own flag), its own patriotic song (the EU has a German song), its own para-military and flying machines that spy. It will be known as "Big Brother" and he is always watching you. But the EU is much more that a future threat to our liberty and freedom. It costs £53M a day and overall costs to the British people are estimated by noted economist Tim Congdon at £120BN a year. UKIP say that money could be invested in the NHS (which they are in favour of unlike the Tories who are privatising it by stealth as it is run down year by year). The EU are our de facto top tier of government making Westminster nothing more than a local county council in terms of its powers. The EU are our supreme source of laws with the ECHR, made possible by the EU, directing our courts on an every widening variety of areas. The EU last year began commissioning "Embassies" around the world at massive cost and they still have not allowed a general audit for over 12 years. The financial black hole is inestimable and you and I are paying for it all. We are losing out to immigrants because too many of our young people are poorly equipped to compete in the global economy. The OECD reported last year that we British failed to score in the top 20 in any single subject. No wonder foreigners march in and get the jobs and they will work for less too. UKIP want to bring back classless grammar schools and technical schools to recognise the diversity in our population and the reality that some are gifted in the arts and others in the practical which does not make them better than one or the other, just different. Without diversity of skills we are finished. The Liblabcon's investment in dumbing down our education system with comprehensive schools has led to the result we see from the OECD. Dumbed down. Our house prices and availability of housing is under extreme pressure due to enormous demand caused by mass and uncontrolled immigration. Ever wonder why Brighton area is so expensive? A large part of the reason is increasing demand and inadequate supply. Greens wake up--where are all the millions of houses and flats going to be built if the vast numbers do not stop coming in? The NHS is failing and UKIP want to use tens of millions saved from shoring up the political black hole in Brussels to improve our own health system. UKIP want to dramatically cut back on over paid and over-bonused managers and reinforce practical on-the-job training for nurses by bringing back the two tier system of SRN and SEN. Last week it was reported that Chichester had recruited 60 new nurses--from overseas. UKIP will make sure these kinds of professional jobs go to well trained British nurses as our young people need jobs! UKIP is in favour of immigration. However, UKIP is not in favour of mass and uncontrolled immigration favoured by the establishment Liblabcon. UKIP propose that we follow our commonwealth nations and introduce a common-sense points system allowing people in who can contribute and support themselves for a reasonable number of years before becoming eligible for benefits. It works for New Zealand, Canada, Australia and it will work for us. But under the EU we are not allowed to have a common sense based immigration system as it is come one, come all, no matter who or what you are. Britain is the most crowded nation in Europe and third most crowded in the world. The Greens will tell you that such numbers in concentrated areas add to pollution and many other environmental issues. The Greens need to support UKIP! Finally, UKIP is not a racist party. Most of Europe and most of us are against immigration in mass numbers for all of the above reasons. None are to do with ethnicity (there is only one race: human). It is about numbers and UKIP believes that MLK got it right when he said we must judge a person by the content of their character and not the colour of their skin. UKIP have multi-ethnic people on board and would like more as Britain is about the British and that is all of us here and here lawfully and who want to see our nation become great again through better education, an independent parliament and legal system, a functional NHS, a strong defence force and able to trade globally without having to go through Brussels to sign new international trade agreements. Take a risk, join UKIP and love Britain![/p][/quote]You write that UKIP is a libertarian party, but what is meant by that is economic libertarianism what most people recognise as being very right wing. You claim that UKIP are pro-NHS, but UKIP's deputy leader wishes to see the NHS abolished. You make all kinds of absurd claims about the EU and immigration. The benefits of the EU are enormous. It gives UK manufacturers access to the huge market of the EU. If the UK left the EU those manufacturers would leave the UK creating massive unemployment. Your "facts" about the EU and immigration are truly deluded. You are a classic UKIP supporter, no doubt about that. Peddling any pack of lies that suits your right wing objectives. In the European parliament UKIP shares their grouping with extreme right wing parties. By participating in that grouping UKIP is advancing the causes of those extreme right wing parties. All people must be aware of the dangerous nature of UKIP.[/p][/quote]dangerous nature of UKIP ??? like any other party isn't dangerous . Brighton Living
  • Score: 7

4:40pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Libertarian Patriot says...

p a t r i c k wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
I find it strange that people automatically tag UKIP with being right wing. Their main aim is withdrawal from the EU.

We've lost two public figures this week that utterly agreed with this aim - Bob Crow and Tony Benn - would anyone dare to suggest they were anything but hardened socialists ?
UKIP are extremely right wing indeed. Opposition to EU membership is not right wing in itself of course, however UKIP actual opposition is for right wing reasons.

More to the point, UKIP's policies such as the flat rate of tax and many statements, their deputy leader wishes to abolish the NHS for example, demonstrate that this is an extremely right wing party.
Left and right is losing meaning. The left can be so left that they meet themselves coming the other way.

UKIP are, if anything, slightly left of centre. Parties that favour freedom of speech and who stand up for individuals against the oppressive state are often called revolutionaries.

UKIP have no right wing policies and it is the Tories who want to privatise the NHS by undermining it, starving of funds and permitting the kind of behaviour we have seen in Staffordshire. The new manifesto will probably be released around the same time as the establishment parties release theirs. Expect massive cuts to NHS management but an emphasis on appointing SRNs and SENs with on-the-job training as opposed to more academic. Sharply curtailed NHS tourism. Local accountability with elected NHS bosses who can be recalled by the voters.

Flat rate tax is hardly right wing. It is an equitable system where all pay the same rate.

Right wing policies might include a state paramilitary force (see the EU's gendarmerie and its powers and note especially its motto). Extreme right wing policy would include racism and limiting immigration has nothing to do with ethnicity but all to do with numbers and assessing skill sets. The BNP could be described a s right wing and membership of that party is a bar to UKIP membership but apparently not for the establishment parties.

We are so unused to libertarianism due to Liblabcon policies and PC we are finding it hard to believe. But believe it because it is in our genes and has been since Magna Carta.
[quote][p][bold]p a t r i c k[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: I find it strange that people automatically tag UKIP with being right wing. Their main aim is withdrawal from the EU. We've lost two public figures this week that utterly agreed with this aim - Bob Crow and Tony Benn - would anyone dare to suggest they were anything but hardened socialists ?[/p][/quote]UKIP are extremely right wing indeed. Opposition to EU membership is not right wing in itself of course, however UKIP actual opposition is for right wing reasons. More to the point, UKIP's policies such as the flat rate of tax and many statements, their deputy leader wishes to abolish the NHS for example, demonstrate that this is an extremely right wing party.[/p][/quote]Left and right is losing meaning. The left can be so left that they meet themselves coming the other way. UKIP are, if anything, slightly left of centre. Parties that favour freedom of speech and who stand up for individuals against the oppressive state are often called revolutionaries. UKIP have no right wing policies and it is the Tories who want to privatise the NHS by undermining it, starving of funds and permitting the kind of behaviour we have seen in Staffordshire. The new manifesto will probably be released around the same time as the establishment parties release theirs. Expect massive cuts to NHS management but an emphasis on appointing SRNs and SENs with on-the-job training as opposed to more academic. Sharply curtailed NHS tourism. Local accountability with elected NHS bosses who can be recalled by the voters. Flat rate tax is hardly right wing. It is an equitable system where all pay the same rate. Right wing policies might include a state paramilitary force (see the EU's gendarmerie and its powers and note especially its motto). Extreme right wing policy would include racism and limiting immigration has nothing to do with ethnicity but all to do with numbers and assessing skill sets. The BNP could be described a s right wing and membership of that party is a bar to UKIP membership but apparently not for the establishment parties. We are so unused to libertarianism due to Liblabcon policies and PC we are finding it hard to believe. But believe it because it is in our genes and has been since Magna Carta. Libertarian Patriot
  • Score: 7

4:43pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Fight_Back says...

p a t r i c k wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
I find it strange that people automatically tag UKIP with being right wing. Their main aim is withdrawal from the EU.

We've lost two public figures this week that utterly agreed with this aim - Bob Crow and Tony Benn - would anyone dare to suggest they were anything but hardened socialists ?
UKIP are extremely right wing indeed. Opposition to EU membership is not right wing in itself of course, however UKIP actual opposition is for right wing reasons.

More to the point, UKIP's policies such as the flat rate of tax and many statements, their deputy leader wishes to abolish the NHS for example, demonstrate that this is an extremely right wing party.
Abolish the NHS ??? You clearly haven't read their manifesto. If you had then you'd know it suggests services being provided by private companies exactly the same way as the Tories and Labour have done. Errrr ..... PFI !!!!

Of course that wouldn't suit your agenda would it ?
[quote][p][bold]p a t r i c k[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: I find it strange that people automatically tag UKIP with being right wing. Their main aim is withdrawal from the EU. We've lost two public figures this week that utterly agreed with this aim - Bob Crow and Tony Benn - would anyone dare to suggest they were anything but hardened socialists ?[/p][/quote]UKIP are extremely right wing indeed. Opposition to EU membership is not right wing in itself of course, however UKIP actual opposition is for right wing reasons. More to the point, UKIP's policies such as the flat rate of tax and many statements, their deputy leader wishes to abolish the NHS for example, demonstrate that this is an extremely right wing party.[/p][/quote]Abolish the NHS ??? You clearly haven't read their manifesto. If you had then you'd know it suggests services being provided by private companies exactly the same way as the Tories and Labour have done. Errrr ..... PFI !!!! Of course that wouldn't suit your agenda would it ? Fight_Back
  • Score: 7

4:50pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Libertarian Patriot says...

Patrick commented:

You write that UKIP is a libertarian party, but what is meant by that is economic libertarianism what most people recognise as being very right wing.

You claim that UKIP are pro-NHS, but UKIP's deputy leader wishes to see the NHS abolished.

You make all kinds of absurd claims about the EU and immigration.

The benefits of the EU are enormous. It gives UK manufacturers access to the huge market of the EU. If the UK left the EU those manufacturers would leave the UK creating massive unemployment.

Your "facts" about the EU and immigration are truly deluded. You are a classic UKIP supporter, no doubt about that. Peddling any pack of lies that suits your right wing objectives.

In the European parliament UKIP shares their grouping with extreme right wing parties. By participating in that grouping UKIP is advancing the causes of those extreme right wing parties.

All people must be aware of the dangerous nature of UKIP.

_______________

The big question: why do we need to be integrated into the EU and controlled by them politically if all we want is free trade? Our manufacturers do not need EU rules and regulations to manufacture--they need to be able to conduct trade with Europe and the world without trade barriers.

It is hard to get this idea across! UKIP are for Europe and Global free trade. UKIP do not see the need for a Federal Super State--its just more government, more bureaucracy, more control and more money. Adam Smith said that government is best that governs least--why on earth increase government with a top tier on Brussels?

The EU is not Europe and Gallup Europe conducted a poll in September of 2103 and found 70% of European snow oppose the EU. 50% of Germans under 50 also oppose it. UKIP agree with the majority of Europeans and are pro Europe.

UKIP are part of Efd in Europe which is a cross section of parties all of whom oppose the EU. Some are right wing and some UKIP do not agree with but the purpose in having a single group is to get more time to bring Pro-Europe issues before the Parliament which would not be possible if the parties were all fragmented. Remember, the EU is NOT the same as Europe.
Patrick commented: You write that UKIP is a libertarian party, but what is meant by that is economic libertarianism what most people recognise as being very right wing. You claim that UKIP are pro-NHS, but UKIP's deputy leader wishes to see the NHS abolished. You make all kinds of absurd claims about the EU and immigration. The benefits of the EU are enormous. It gives UK manufacturers access to the huge market of the EU. If the UK left the EU those manufacturers would leave the UK creating massive unemployment. Your "facts" about the EU and immigration are truly deluded. You are a classic UKIP supporter, no doubt about that. Peddling any pack of lies that suits your right wing objectives. In the European parliament UKIP shares their grouping with extreme right wing parties. By participating in that grouping UKIP is advancing the causes of those extreme right wing parties. All people must be aware of the dangerous nature of UKIP. _______________ The big question: why do we need to be integrated into the EU and controlled by them politically if all we want is free trade? Our manufacturers do not need EU rules and regulations to manufacture--they need to be able to conduct trade with Europe and the world without trade barriers. It is hard to get this idea across! UKIP are for Europe and Global free trade. UKIP do not see the need for a Federal Super State--its just more government, more bureaucracy, more control and more money. Adam Smith said that government is best that governs least--why on earth increase government with a top tier on Brussels? The EU is not Europe and Gallup Europe conducted a poll in September of 2103 and found 70% of European snow oppose the EU. 50% of Germans under 50 also oppose it. UKIP agree with the majority of Europeans and are pro Europe. UKIP are part of Efd in Europe which is a cross section of parties all of whom oppose the EU. Some are right wing and some UKIP do not agree with but the purpose in having a single group is to get more time to bring Pro-Europe issues before the Parliament which would not be possible if the parties were all fragmented. Remember, the EU is NOT the same as Europe. Libertarian Patriot
  • Score: 2

5:28pm Fri 14 Mar 14

angrymonkey says...

im for UKIP as I want someone to fight for the uk not giving all are money to over seas when we need it here and stop all the people coming into the uk from EU for a easy life with good hand outs. All you read on here how the greens have left Brighton in a big mess but still people want to vote them in. I can only think the people voting greens have not been in Brighton long and never see it in the good days before went down the pan.
im for UKIP as I want someone to fight for the uk not giving all are money to over seas when we need it here and stop all the people coming into the uk from EU for a easy life with good hand outs. All you read on here how the greens have left Brighton in a big mess but still people want to vote them in. I can only think the people voting greens have not been in Brighton long and never see it in the good days before went down the pan. angrymonkey
  • Score: 6

5:38pm Fri 14 Mar 14

thevoiceoftruth says...

angrymonkey wrote:
im for UKIP as I want someone to fight for the uk not giving all are money to over seas when we need it here and stop all the people coming into the uk from EU for a easy life with good hand outs. All you read on here how the greens have left Brighton in a big mess but still people want to vote them in. I can only think the people voting greens have not been in Brighton long and never see it in the good days before went down the pan.
I'm sorry - I know I am a bit of a pedant - but there is a big difference between our and are. It is OUR money, not ARE money. Just needed to clear that one up!
[quote][p][bold]angrymonkey[/bold] wrote: im for UKIP as I want someone to fight for the uk not giving all are money to over seas when we need it here and stop all the people coming into the uk from EU for a easy life with good hand outs. All you read on here how the greens have left Brighton in a big mess but still people want to vote them in. I can only think the people voting greens have not been in Brighton long and never see it in the good days before went down the pan.[/p][/quote]I'm sorry - I know I am a bit of a pedant - but there is a big difference between our and are. It is OUR money, not ARE money. Just needed to clear that one up! thevoiceoftruth
  • Score: -3

5:51pm Fri 14 Mar 14

HJarrs says...

Libertarian Patriot wrote:
Patrick commented:

You write that UKIP is a libertarian party, but what is meant by that is economic libertarianism what most people recognise as being very right wing.

You claim that UKIP are pro-NHS, but UKIP's deputy leader wishes to see the NHS abolished.

You make all kinds of absurd claims about the EU and immigration.

The benefits of the EU are enormous. It gives UK manufacturers access to the huge market of the EU. If the UK left the EU those manufacturers would leave the UK creating massive unemployment.

Your "facts" about the EU and immigration are truly deluded. You are a classic UKIP supporter, no doubt about that. Peddling any pack of lies that suits your right wing objectives.

In the European parliament UKIP shares their grouping with extreme right wing parties. By participating in that grouping UKIP is advancing the causes of those extreme right wing parties.

All people must be aware of the dangerous nature of UKIP.

_______________

The big question: why do we need to be integrated into the EU and controlled by them politically if all we want is free trade? Our manufacturers do not need EU rules and regulations to manufacture--they need to be able to conduct trade with Europe and the world without trade barriers.

It is hard to get this idea across! UKIP are for Europe and Global free trade. UKIP do not see the need for a Federal Super State--its just more government, more bureaucracy, more control and more money. Adam Smith said that government is best that governs least--why on earth increase government with a top tier on Brussels?

The EU is not Europe and Gallup Europe conducted a poll in September of 2103 and found 70% of European snow oppose the EU. 50% of Germans under 50 also oppose it. UKIP agree with the majority of Europeans and are pro Europe.

UKIP are part of Efd in Europe which is a cross section of parties all of whom oppose the EU. Some are right wing and some UKIP do not agree with but the purpose in having a single group is to get more time to bring Pro-Europe issues before the Parliament which would not be possible if the parties were all fragmented. Remember, the EU is NOT the same as Europe.
Libertarianism is something for the powerful to indulge themselves with. Only last week you were defending the comments by one of your MEPs for businesses to turn away customers if they, for any reason did not wish to serve them. The customers are powerless in that relationship and at the mercy of any predjudice.

I say people should read your manifesto and policies as they will be shocked by what they read. You would have us leave the EU to lose the good things about being in the EU such as the social chapter and the ability to influence decisions in the biggest social and economic grouping in the world. UKIP is a free marketeer party that would be only too happy to negotiate our sovereignty away with trading partners.
[quote][p][bold]Libertarian Patriot[/bold] wrote: Patrick commented: You write that UKIP is a libertarian party, but what is meant by that is economic libertarianism what most people recognise as being very right wing. You claim that UKIP are pro-NHS, but UKIP's deputy leader wishes to see the NHS abolished. You make all kinds of absurd claims about the EU and immigration. The benefits of the EU are enormous. It gives UK manufacturers access to the huge market of the EU. If the UK left the EU those manufacturers would leave the UK creating massive unemployment. Your "facts" about the EU and immigration are truly deluded. You are a classic UKIP supporter, no doubt about that. Peddling any pack of lies that suits your right wing objectives. In the European parliament UKIP shares their grouping with extreme right wing parties. By participating in that grouping UKIP is advancing the causes of those extreme right wing parties. All people must be aware of the dangerous nature of UKIP. _______________ The big question: why do we need to be integrated into the EU and controlled by them politically if all we want is free trade? Our manufacturers do not need EU rules and regulations to manufacture--they need to be able to conduct trade with Europe and the world without trade barriers. It is hard to get this idea across! UKIP are for Europe and Global free trade. UKIP do not see the need for a Federal Super State--its just more government, more bureaucracy, more control and more money. Adam Smith said that government is best that governs least--why on earth increase government with a top tier on Brussels? The EU is not Europe and Gallup Europe conducted a poll in September of 2103 and found 70% of European snow oppose the EU. 50% of Germans under 50 also oppose it. UKIP agree with the majority of Europeans and are pro Europe. UKIP are part of Efd in Europe which is a cross section of parties all of whom oppose the EU. Some are right wing and some UKIP do not agree with but the purpose in having a single group is to get more time to bring Pro-Europe issues before the Parliament which would not be possible if the parties were all fragmented. Remember, the EU is NOT the same as Europe.[/p][/quote]Libertarianism is something for the powerful to indulge themselves with. Only last week you were defending the comments by one of your MEPs for businesses to turn away customers if they, for any reason did not wish to serve them. The customers are powerless in that relationship and at the mercy of any predjudice. I say people should read your manifesto and policies as they will be shocked by what they read. You would have us leave the EU to lose the good things about being in the EU such as the social chapter and the ability to influence decisions in the biggest social and economic grouping in the world. UKIP is a free marketeer party that would be only too happy to negotiate our sovereignty away with trading partners. HJarrs
  • Score: -7

5:59pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Fight_Back says...

HJarrs wrote:
Libertarian Patriot wrote:
Patrick commented:

You write that UKIP is a libertarian party, but what is meant by that is economic libertarianism what most people recognise as being very right wing.

You claim that UKIP are pro-NHS, but UKIP's deputy leader wishes to see the NHS abolished.

You make all kinds of absurd claims about the EU and immigration.

The benefits of the EU are enormous. It gives UK manufacturers access to the huge market of the EU. If the UK left the EU those manufacturers would leave the UK creating massive unemployment.

Your "facts" about the EU and immigration are truly deluded. You are a classic UKIP supporter, no doubt about that. Peddling any pack of lies that suits your right wing objectives.

In the European parliament UKIP shares their grouping with extreme right wing parties. By participating in that grouping UKIP is advancing the causes of those extreme right wing parties.

All people must be aware of the dangerous nature of UKIP.

_______________

The big question: why do we need to be integrated into the EU and controlled by them politically if all we want is free trade? Our manufacturers do not need EU rules and regulations to manufacture--they need to be able to conduct trade with Europe and the world without trade barriers.

It is hard to get this idea across! UKIP are for Europe and Global free trade. UKIP do not see the need for a Federal Super State--its just more government, more bureaucracy, more control and more money. Adam Smith said that government is best that governs least--why on earth increase government with a top tier on Brussels?

The EU is not Europe and Gallup Europe conducted a poll in September of 2103 and found 70% of European snow oppose the EU. 50% of Germans under 50 also oppose it. UKIP agree with the majority of Europeans and are pro Europe.

UKIP are part of Efd in Europe which is a cross section of parties all of whom oppose the EU. Some are right wing and some UKIP do not agree with but the purpose in having a single group is to get more time to bring Pro-Europe issues before the Parliament which would not be possible if the parties were all fragmented. Remember, the EU is NOT the same as Europe.
Libertarianism is something for the powerful to indulge themselves with. Only last week you were defending the comments by one of your MEPs for businesses to turn away customers if they, for any reason did not wish to serve them. The customers are powerless in that relationship and at the mercy of any predjudice.

I say people should read your manifesto and policies as they will be shocked by what they read. You would have us leave the EU to lose the good things about being in the EU such as the social chapter and the ability to influence decisions in the biggest social and economic grouping in the world. UKIP is a free marketeer party that would be only too happy to negotiate our sovereignty away with trading partners.
Says the person who can't even count how many votes voters had in the last local elections ! Count them HJarrs .... ONE ..... TWO ..... THREE !
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Libertarian Patriot[/bold] wrote: Patrick commented: You write that UKIP is a libertarian party, but what is meant by that is economic libertarianism what most people recognise as being very right wing. You claim that UKIP are pro-NHS, but UKIP's deputy leader wishes to see the NHS abolished. You make all kinds of absurd claims about the EU and immigration. The benefits of the EU are enormous. It gives UK manufacturers access to the huge market of the EU. If the UK left the EU those manufacturers would leave the UK creating massive unemployment. Your "facts" about the EU and immigration are truly deluded. You are a classic UKIP supporter, no doubt about that. Peddling any pack of lies that suits your right wing objectives. In the European parliament UKIP shares their grouping with extreme right wing parties. By participating in that grouping UKIP is advancing the causes of those extreme right wing parties. All people must be aware of the dangerous nature of UKIP. _______________ The big question: why do we need to be integrated into the EU and controlled by them politically if all we want is free trade? Our manufacturers do not need EU rules and regulations to manufacture--they need to be able to conduct trade with Europe and the world without trade barriers. It is hard to get this idea across! UKIP are for Europe and Global free trade. UKIP do not see the need for a Federal Super State--its just more government, more bureaucracy, more control and more money. Adam Smith said that government is best that governs least--why on earth increase government with a top tier on Brussels? The EU is not Europe and Gallup Europe conducted a poll in September of 2103 and found 70% of European snow oppose the EU. 50% of Germans under 50 also oppose it. UKIP agree with the majority of Europeans and are pro Europe. UKIP are part of Efd in Europe which is a cross section of parties all of whom oppose the EU. Some are right wing and some UKIP do not agree with but the purpose in having a single group is to get more time to bring Pro-Europe issues before the Parliament which would not be possible if the parties were all fragmented. Remember, the EU is NOT the same as Europe.[/p][/quote]Libertarianism is something for the powerful to indulge themselves with. Only last week you were defending the comments by one of your MEPs for businesses to turn away customers if they, for any reason did not wish to serve them. The customers are powerless in that relationship and at the mercy of any predjudice. I say people should read your manifesto and policies as they will be shocked by what they read. You would have us leave the EU to lose the good things about being in the EU such as the social chapter and the ability to influence decisions in the biggest social and economic grouping in the world. UKIP is a free marketeer party that would be only too happy to negotiate our sovereignty away with trading partners.[/p][/quote]Says the person who can't even count how many votes voters had in the last local elections ! Count them HJarrs .... ONE ..... TWO ..... THREE ! Fight_Back
  • Score: 6

6:09pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Libertarian Patriot says...

H Jarrs said:

Libertarianism is something for the powerful to indulge themselves with. Only last week you were defending the comments by one of your MEPs for businesses to turn away customers if they, for any reason did not wish to serve them. The customers are powerless in that relationship and at the mercy of any predjudice.

I say people should read your manifesto and policies as they will be shocked by what they read. You would have us leave the EU to lose the good things about being in the EU such as the social chapter and the ability to influence decisions in the biggest social and economic grouping in the world. UKIP is a free marketeer party that would be only too happy to negotiate our sovereignty away with trading partners.

______________

1. The UKIP manifesto is not yet ready for release and should be out around the same time as the establishment parties. The 2010 manifesto will be substantially revised.

2. The UKIP councillor who said that in a libertarian system people have the right to refuse service to anyone, no matter for what reason. As a principle this is right as no one should be forced to enter a contractual relationship. Our law of contract provides that an offer to sell something is not a contract but an offer to treat. It only becomes binding if the other party accepts the offer and pays something as a consideration.

The UKIP councillor went on to say that she wold not refuse service to anyone herself but was referring to the libertarian principle often quoted as: I may not agree with what you said but I will defend to the death your right to say it.

3. If we leave the EU we will probably not be alone given the Gallup Europe poll in September 2013 which found 70% of Europeans were in favour of a EFTA type agreement but were against the EU. Interestingly, over 90% of Portuguese oppose the EU and that is Barosso's home state.

There is no reason for the EU to exist because it is not necessary for free trade and that is the bottom line for manufacturers and exporters. None will argue for greater EU regulation and the extra cost involved.

We do not want the EU "making decisions" for us as we have oujr own government. A trade agreement will mean representatives form each member will meet to discuss trading terms and such like but political control as exercised by the EU will be redundant.

I have yet to hear one good reason for the EU to exist. The most frightening aspect of the EU is it is a self-perpetuating institution that must grab ever increasing power to hold itself together. Go to the Euro Gendarmerie's website and tell us that you do not see this as a threat to our sovereignty and freedom. Why does the EU need a Waffen-SS paramilitary force?
H Jarrs said: Libertarianism is something for the powerful to indulge themselves with. Only last week you were defending the comments by one of your MEPs for businesses to turn away customers if they, for any reason did not wish to serve them. The customers are powerless in that relationship and at the mercy of any predjudice. I say people should read your manifesto and policies as they will be shocked by what they read. You would have us leave the EU to lose the good things about being in the EU such as the social chapter and the ability to influence decisions in the biggest social and economic grouping in the world. UKIP is a free marketeer party that would be only too happy to negotiate our sovereignty away with trading partners. ______________ 1. The UKIP manifesto is not yet ready for release and should be out around the same time as the establishment parties. The 2010 manifesto will be substantially revised. 2. The UKIP councillor who said that in a libertarian system people have the right to refuse service to anyone, no matter for what reason. As a principle this is right as no one should be forced to enter a contractual relationship. Our law of contract provides that an offer to sell something is not a contract but an offer to treat. It only becomes binding if the other party accepts the offer and pays something as a consideration. The UKIP councillor went on to say that she wold not refuse service to anyone herself but was referring to the libertarian principle often quoted as: I may not agree with what you said but I will defend to the death your right to say it. 3. If we leave the EU we will probably not be alone given the Gallup Europe poll in September 2013 which found 70% of Europeans were in favour of a EFTA type agreement but were against the EU. Interestingly, over 90% of Portuguese oppose the EU and that is Barosso's home state. There is no reason for the EU to exist because it is not necessary for free trade and that is the bottom line for manufacturers and exporters. None will argue for greater EU regulation and the extra cost involved. We do not want the EU "making decisions" for us as we have oujr own government. A trade agreement will mean representatives form each member will meet to discuss trading terms and such like but political control as exercised by the EU will be redundant. I have yet to hear one good reason for the EU to exist. The most frightening aspect of the EU is it is a self-perpetuating institution that must grab ever increasing power to hold itself together. Go to the Euro Gendarmerie's website and tell us that you do not see this as a threat to our sovereignty and freedom. Why does the EU need a Waffen-SS paramilitary force? Libertarian Patriot
  • Score: 3

7:23pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Cyril Bolleaux says...

I think it is significant that the anti-UKIP smears of the Greens and other left wing extremists mirrors that put forward by Putin against the Ukrainians. He calls them fascists, racists, xenophobes etc. I don't know if the Greens are doing this consciously as a tribute to Stalin's heir or sub-consciously because that is how socialists think.
I think it is significant that the anti-UKIP smears of the Greens and other left wing extremists mirrors that put forward by Putin against the Ukrainians. He calls them fascists, racists, xenophobes etc. I don't know if the Greens are doing this consciously as a tribute to Stalin's heir or sub-consciously because that is how socialists think. Cyril Bolleaux
  • Score: 3

7:43pm Fri 14 Mar 14

pachallis says...

HJarrs wrote:
Libertarian Patriot wrote:
Patrick commented:

You write that UKIP is a libertarian party, but what is meant by that is economic libertarianism what most people recognise as being very right wing.

You claim that UKIP are pro-NHS, but UKIP's deputy leader wishes to see the NHS abolished.

You make all kinds of absurd claims about the EU and immigration.

The benefits of the EU are enormous. It gives UK manufacturers access to the huge market of the EU. If the UK left the EU those manufacturers would leave the UK creating massive unemployment.

Your "facts" about the EU and immigration are truly deluded. You are a classic UKIP supporter, no doubt about that. Peddling any pack of lies that suits your right wing objectives.

In the European parliament UKIP shares their grouping with extreme right wing parties. By participating in that grouping UKIP is advancing the causes of those extreme right wing parties.

All people must be aware of the dangerous nature of UKIP.

_______________

The big question: why do we need to be integrated into the EU and controlled by them politically if all we want is free trade? Our manufacturers do not need EU rules and regulations to manufacture--they need to be able to conduct trade with Europe and the world without trade barriers.

It is hard to get this idea across! UKIP are for Europe and Global free trade. UKIP do not see the need for a Federal Super State--its just more government, more bureaucracy, more control and more money. Adam Smith said that government is best that governs least--why on earth increase government with a top tier on Brussels?

The EU is not Europe and Gallup Europe conducted a poll in September of 2103 and found 70% of European snow oppose the EU. 50% of Germans under 50 also oppose it. UKIP agree with the majority of Europeans and are pro Europe.

UKIP are part of Efd in Europe which is a cross section of parties all of whom oppose the EU. Some are right wing and some UKIP do not agree with but the purpose in having a single group is to get more time to bring Pro-Europe issues before the Parliament which would not be possible if the parties were all fragmented. Remember, the EU is NOT the same as Europe.
Libertarianism is something for the powerful to indulge themselves with. Only last week you were defending the comments by one of your MEPs for businesses to turn away customers if they, for any reason did not wish to serve them. The customers are powerless in that relationship and at the mercy of any predjudice.

I say people should read your manifesto and policies as they will be shocked by what they read. You would have us leave the EU to lose the good things about being in the EU such as the social chapter and the ability to influence decisions in the biggest social and economic grouping in the world. UKIP is a free marketeer party that would be only too happy to negotiate our sovereignty away with trading partners.
@HJ - 'I say people should read your manifesto and policies as they will be shocked by what they read.' - they will probably be equally shocked by what the Green manifesto, produced by a group of progressively minded democratic incompetent idealistic idiots.

Please can you just stop 'raking the dirt' about other parties and tell us something positive about what the Greens will do for the UK - including all the extreme left-wing details that get hidden at the back of your eco-friendly manifesto from the green-left brigade?
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Libertarian Patriot[/bold] wrote: Patrick commented: You write that UKIP is a libertarian party, but what is meant by that is economic libertarianism what most people recognise as being very right wing. You claim that UKIP are pro-NHS, but UKIP's deputy leader wishes to see the NHS abolished. You make all kinds of absurd claims about the EU and immigration. The benefits of the EU are enormous. It gives UK manufacturers access to the huge market of the EU. If the UK left the EU those manufacturers would leave the UK creating massive unemployment. Your "facts" about the EU and immigration are truly deluded. You are a classic UKIP supporter, no doubt about that. Peddling any pack of lies that suits your right wing objectives. In the European parliament UKIP shares their grouping with extreme right wing parties. By participating in that grouping UKIP is advancing the causes of those extreme right wing parties. All people must be aware of the dangerous nature of UKIP. _______________ The big question: why do we need to be integrated into the EU and controlled by them politically if all we want is free trade? Our manufacturers do not need EU rules and regulations to manufacture--they need to be able to conduct trade with Europe and the world without trade barriers. It is hard to get this idea across! UKIP are for Europe and Global free trade. UKIP do not see the need for a Federal Super State--its just more government, more bureaucracy, more control and more money. Adam Smith said that government is best that governs least--why on earth increase government with a top tier on Brussels? The EU is not Europe and Gallup Europe conducted a poll in September of 2103 and found 70% of European snow oppose the EU. 50% of Germans under 50 also oppose it. UKIP agree with the majority of Europeans and are pro Europe. UKIP are part of Efd in Europe which is a cross section of parties all of whom oppose the EU. Some are right wing and some UKIP do not agree with but the purpose in having a single group is to get more time to bring Pro-Europe issues before the Parliament which would not be possible if the parties were all fragmented. Remember, the EU is NOT the same as Europe.[/p][/quote]Libertarianism is something for the powerful to indulge themselves with. Only last week you were defending the comments by one of your MEPs for businesses to turn away customers if they, for any reason did not wish to serve them. The customers are powerless in that relationship and at the mercy of any predjudice. I say people should read your manifesto and policies as they will be shocked by what they read. You would have us leave the EU to lose the good things about being in the EU such as the social chapter and the ability to influence decisions in the biggest social and economic grouping in the world. UKIP is a free marketeer party that would be only too happy to negotiate our sovereignty away with trading partners.[/p][/quote]@HJ - 'I say people should read your manifesto and policies as they will be shocked by what they read.' - they will probably be equally shocked by what the Green manifesto, produced by a group of progressively minded democratic incompetent idealistic idiots. Please can you just stop 'raking the dirt' about other parties and tell us something positive about what the Greens will do for the UK - including all the extreme left-wing details that get hidden at the back of your eco-friendly manifesto from the green-left brigade? pachallis
  • Score: 4

7:44pm Fri 14 Mar 14

pachallis says...

HJarrs wrote:
Libertarian Patriot wrote:
Patrick commented:

You write that UKIP is a libertarian party, but what is meant by that is economic libertarianism what most people recognise as being very right wing.

You claim that UKIP are pro-NHS, but UKIP's deputy leader wishes to see the NHS abolished.

You make all kinds of absurd claims about the EU and immigration.

The benefits of the EU are enormous. It gives UK manufacturers access to the huge market of the EU. If the UK left the EU those manufacturers would leave the UK creating massive unemployment.

Your "facts" about the EU and immigration are truly deluded. You are a classic UKIP supporter, no doubt about that. Peddling any pack of lies that suits your right wing objectives.

In the European parliament UKIP shares their grouping with extreme right wing parties. By participating in that grouping UKIP is advancing the causes of those extreme right wing parties.

All people must be aware of the dangerous nature of UKIP.

_______________

The big question: why do we need to be integrated into the EU and controlled by them politically if all we want is free trade? Our manufacturers do not need EU rules and regulations to manufacture--they need to be able to conduct trade with Europe and the world without trade barriers.

It is hard to get this idea across! UKIP are for Europe and Global free trade. UKIP do not see the need for a Federal Super State--its just more government, more bureaucracy, more control and more money. Adam Smith said that government is best that governs least--why on earth increase government with a top tier on Brussels?

The EU is not Europe and Gallup Europe conducted a poll in September of 2103 and found 70% of European snow oppose the EU. 50% of Germans under 50 also oppose it. UKIP agree with the majority of Europeans and are pro Europe.

UKIP are part of Efd in Europe which is a cross section of parties all of whom oppose the EU. Some are right wing and some UKIP do not agree with but the purpose in having a single group is to get more time to bring Pro-Europe issues before the Parliament which would not be possible if the parties were all fragmented. Remember, the EU is NOT the same as Europe.
Libertarianism is something for the powerful to indulge themselves with. Only last week you were defending the comments by one of your MEPs for businesses to turn away customers if they, for any reason did not wish to serve them. The customers are powerless in that relationship and at the mercy of any predjudice.

I say people should read your manifesto and policies as they will be shocked by what they read. You would have us leave the EU to lose the good things about being in the EU such as the social chapter and the ability to influence decisions in the biggest social and economic grouping in the world. UKIP is a free marketeer party that would be only too happy to negotiate our sovereignty away with trading partners.
@HJ - 'I say people should read your manifesto and policies as they will be shocked by what they read.' - they will probably be equally shocked by what the Green manifesto, produced by a group of progressively minded democratic incompetent idealistic idiots.

Please can you just stop 'raking the dirt' about other parties and tell us something positive about what the Greens will do for the UK - including all the extreme left-wing details that get hidden at the back of your eco-friendly manifesto from the green-left brigade?
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Libertarian Patriot[/bold] wrote: Patrick commented: You write that UKIP is a libertarian party, but what is meant by that is economic libertarianism what most people recognise as being very right wing. You claim that UKIP are pro-NHS, but UKIP's deputy leader wishes to see the NHS abolished. You make all kinds of absurd claims about the EU and immigration. The benefits of the EU are enormous. It gives UK manufacturers access to the huge market of the EU. If the UK left the EU those manufacturers would leave the UK creating massive unemployment. Your "facts" about the EU and immigration are truly deluded. You are a classic UKIP supporter, no doubt about that. Peddling any pack of lies that suits your right wing objectives. In the European parliament UKIP shares their grouping with extreme right wing parties. By participating in that grouping UKIP is advancing the causes of those extreme right wing parties. All people must be aware of the dangerous nature of UKIP. _______________ The big question: why do we need to be integrated into the EU and controlled by them politically if all we want is free trade? Our manufacturers do not need EU rules and regulations to manufacture--they need to be able to conduct trade with Europe and the world without trade barriers. It is hard to get this idea across! UKIP are for Europe and Global free trade. UKIP do not see the need for a Federal Super State--its just more government, more bureaucracy, more control and more money. Adam Smith said that government is best that governs least--why on earth increase government with a top tier on Brussels? The EU is not Europe and Gallup Europe conducted a poll in September of 2103 and found 70% of European snow oppose the EU. 50% of Germans under 50 also oppose it. UKIP agree with the majority of Europeans and are pro Europe. UKIP are part of Efd in Europe which is a cross section of parties all of whom oppose the EU. Some are right wing and some UKIP do not agree with but the purpose in having a single group is to get more time to bring Pro-Europe issues before the Parliament which would not be possible if the parties were all fragmented. Remember, the EU is NOT the same as Europe.[/p][/quote]Libertarianism is something for the powerful to indulge themselves with. Only last week you were defending the comments by one of your MEPs for businesses to turn away customers if they, for any reason did not wish to serve them. The customers are powerless in that relationship and at the mercy of any predjudice. I say people should read your manifesto and policies as they will be shocked by what they read. You would have us leave the EU to lose the good things about being in the EU such as the social chapter and the ability to influence decisions in the biggest social and economic grouping in the world. UKIP is a free marketeer party that would be only too happy to negotiate our sovereignty away with trading partners.[/p][/quote]@HJ - 'I say people should read your manifesto and policies as they will be shocked by what they read.' - they will probably be equally shocked by what the Green manifesto, produced by a group of progressively minded democratic incompetent idealistic idiots. Please can you just stop 'raking the dirt' about other parties and tell us something positive about what the Greens will do for the UK - including all the extreme left-wing details that get hidden at the back of your eco-friendly manifesto from the green-left brigade? pachallis
  • Score: 3

10:11pm Fri 14 Mar 14

ARMANA says...

Green_Girl_1990 wrote:
Vote for the best! ALWAYS the best!

Vote Jason Kitcat! Vote Caroline Lucas and Brighton Green Party!
NEVER EVER AGAIN, !!!!
[quote][p][bold]Green_Girl_1990[/bold] wrote: Vote for the best! ALWAYS the best! Vote Jason Kitcat! Vote Caroline Lucas and Brighton Green Party![/p][/quote]NEVER EVER AGAIN, !!!! ARMANA
  • Score: 11

10:15pm Fri 14 Mar 14

ARMANA says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Libertarian Patriot wrote:
UKIP are a libertarian party that stands out against the old line establishment parties. UKIP are largely funded by grass roots membership with as yet few corporate or wealthy donors. Roger "The Who" Daltry, an iconic and Brighton connected rock star, was reported recently as saying he may switch his allegiance from Labour to UKIP because several of his mates had lost jobs to new arrivals from overseas. Many grass roots Labour supporters are joining the new British party because we need to stop discriminating against our own people in favour of immigrants.

UKIP are a pro-Europe party and fervently believe in forming a new European Free Trade Agreement which was the original vision and the reason many of us supported the early trade treaties. However, the EU is much more about political assimilation than free trade and few people can come up with a solid reason why we need to be politically controlled by Brussels in order to be "in Europe."

According to Gallup Europe's poll in September 2013, over 70% of Europeans said they opposed the EU and that included over 50% of Germans aged under 50. The EU may be okay for the older generation wanting a return to the glory days of pre-WW2 but more younger people are waking up to the fact that the EU is about control and not liberty.

Very few people are aware that the EU has a special para-military force formed with the cooperation of just 8 nations within the EU. It is known as the Euro-gendarmerie and it can be called into crush riots or rebellion and not be accountable to local laws. Its motto is "peace through pacification" which should send of a few alarm bells.

Last year the EU announced a drone project costing millions of Euros and it does not take much imagination to work out what these drones might be used for. If you are wondering, read George Orwell's "1984" because it is a prophetic book that sees an Empire rising in Europe that will have its own flag (the EU has its own flag), its own patriotic song (the EU has a German song), its own para-military and flying machines that spy. It will be known as "Big Brother" and he is always watching you.

But the EU is much more that a future threat to our liberty and freedom. It costs £53M a day and overall costs to the British people are estimated by noted economist Tim Congdon at £120BN a year. UKIP say that money could be invested in the NHS (which they are in favour of unlike the Tories who are privatising it by stealth as it is run down year by year). The EU are our de facto top tier of government making Westminster nothing more than a local county council in terms of its powers. The EU are our supreme source of laws with the ECHR, made possible by the EU, directing our courts on an every widening variety of areas. The EU last year began commissioning "Embassies" around the world at massive cost and they still have not allowed a general audit for over 12 years. The financial black hole is inestimable and you and I are paying for it all.

We are losing out to immigrants because too many of our young people are poorly equipped to compete in the global economy. The OECD reported last year that we British failed to score in the top 20 in any single subject. No wonder foreigners march in and get the jobs and they will work for less too. UKIP want to bring back classless grammar schools and technical schools to recognise the diversity in our population and the reality that some are gifted in the arts and others in the practical which does not make them better than one or the other, just different. Without diversity of skills we are finished. The Liblabcon's investment in dumbing down our education system with comprehensive schools has led to the result we see from the OECD. Dumbed down.

Our house prices and availability of housing is under extreme pressure due to enormous demand caused by mass and uncontrolled immigration. Ever wonder why Brighton area is so expensive? A large part of the reason is increasing demand and inadequate supply. Greens wake up--where are all the millions of houses and flats going to be built if the vast numbers do not stop coming in?

The NHS is failing and UKIP want to use tens of millions saved from shoring up the political black hole in Brussels to improve our own health system. UKIP want to dramatically cut back on over paid and over-bonused managers and reinforce practical on-the-job training for nurses by bringing back the two tier system of SRN and SEN. Last week it was reported that Chichester had recruited 60 new nurses--from overseas. UKIP will make sure these kinds of professional jobs go to well trained British nurses as our young people need jobs!

UKIP is in favour of immigration. However, UKIP is not in favour of mass and uncontrolled immigration favoured by the establishment Liblabcon. UKIP propose that we follow our commonwealth nations and introduce a common-sense points system allowing people in who can contribute and support themselves for a reasonable number of years before becoming eligible for benefits. It works for New Zealand, Canada, Australia and it will work for us. But under the EU we are not allowed to have a common sense based immigration system as it is come one, come all, no matter who or what you are.

Britain is the most crowded nation in Europe and third most crowded in the world. The Greens will tell you that such numbers in concentrated areas add to pollution and many other environmental issues. The Greens need to support UKIP!

Finally, UKIP is not a racist party. Most of Europe and most of us are against immigration in mass numbers for all of the above reasons. None are to do with ethnicity (there is only one race: human). It is about numbers and UKIP believes that MLK got it right when he said we must judge a person by the content of their character and not the colour of their skin. UKIP have multi-ethnic people on board and would like more as Britain is about the British and that is all of us here and here lawfully and who want to see our nation become great again through better education, an independent parliament and legal system, a functional NHS, a strong defence force and able to trade globally without having to go through Brussels to sign new international trade agreements.

Take a risk, join UKIP and love Britain!
I be voting ukip, time for a change away from worrying about Europe and filling people like the Blair family all on the euro gravy train.
& Me, !!
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Libertarian Patriot[/bold] wrote: UKIP are a libertarian party that stands out against the old line establishment parties. UKIP are largely funded by grass roots membership with as yet few corporate or wealthy donors. Roger "The Who" Daltry, an iconic and Brighton connected rock star, was reported recently as saying he may switch his allegiance from Labour to UKIP because several of his mates had lost jobs to new arrivals from overseas. Many grass roots Labour supporters are joining the new British party because we need to stop discriminating against our own people in favour of immigrants. UKIP are a pro-Europe party and fervently believe in forming a new European Free Trade Agreement which was the original vision and the reason many of us supported the early trade treaties. However, the EU is much more about political assimilation than free trade and few people can come up with a solid reason why we need to be politically controlled by Brussels in order to be "in Europe." According to Gallup Europe's poll in September 2013, over 70% of Europeans said they opposed the EU and that included over 50% of Germans aged under 50. The EU may be okay for the older generation wanting a return to the glory days of pre-WW2 but more younger people are waking up to the fact that the EU is about control and not liberty. Very few people are aware that the EU has a special para-military force formed with the cooperation of just 8 nations within the EU. It is known as the Euro-gendarmerie and it can be called into crush riots or rebellion and not be accountable to local laws. Its motto is "peace through pacification" which should send of a few alarm bells. Last year the EU announced a drone project costing millions of Euros and it does not take much imagination to work out what these drones might be used for. If you are wondering, read George Orwell's "1984" because it is a prophetic book that sees an Empire rising in Europe that will have its own flag (the EU has its own flag), its own patriotic song (the EU has a German song), its own para-military and flying machines that spy. It will be known as "Big Brother" and he is always watching you. But the EU is much more that a future threat to our liberty and freedom. It costs £53M a day and overall costs to the British people are estimated by noted economist Tim Congdon at £120BN a year. UKIP say that money could be invested in the NHS (which they are in favour of unlike the Tories who are privatising it by stealth as it is run down year by year). The EU are our de facto top tier of government making Westminster nothing more than a local county council in terms of its powers. The EU are our supreme source of laws with the ECHR, made possible by the EU, directing our courts on an every widening variety of areas. The EU last year began commissioning "Embassies" around the world at massive cost and they still have not allowed a general audit for over 12 years. The financial black hole is inestimable and you and I are paying for it all. We are losing out to immigrants because too many of our young people are poorly equipped to compete in the global economy. The OECD reported last year that we British failed to score in the top 20 in any single subject. No wonder foreigners march in and get the jobs and they will work for less too. UKIP want to bring back classless grammar schools and technical schools to recognise the diversity in our population and the reality that some are gifted in the arts and others in the practical which does not make them better than one or the other, just different. Without diversity of skills we are finished. The Liblabcon's investment in dumbing down our education system with comprehensive schools has led to the result we see from the OECD. Dumbed down. Our house prices and availability of housing is under extreme pressure due to enormous demand caused by mass and uncontrolled immigration. Ever wonder why Brighton area is so expensive? A large part of the reason is increasing demand and inadequate supply. Greens wake up--where are all the millions of houses and flats going to be built if the vast numbers do not stop coming in? The NHS is failing and UKIP want to use tens of millions saved from shoring up the political black hole in Brussels to improve our own health system. UKIP want to dramatically cut back on over paid and over-bonused managers and reinforce practical on-the-job training for nurses by bringing back the two tier system of SRN and SEN. Last week it was reported that Chichester had recruited 60 new nurses--from overseas. UKIP will make sure these kinds of professional jobs go to well trained British nurses as our young people need jobs! UKIP is in favour of immigration. However, UKIP is not in favour of mass and uncontrolled immigration favoured by the establishment Liblabcon. UKIP propose that we follow our commonwealth nations and introduce a common-sense points system allowing people in who can contribute and support themselves for a reasonable number of years before becoming eligible for benefits. It works for New Zealand, Canada, Australia and it will work for us. But under the EU we are not allowed to have a common sense based immigration system as it is come one, come all, no matter who or what you are. Britain is the most crowded nation in Europe and third most crowded in the world. The Greens will tell you that such numbers in concentrated areas add to pollution and many other environmental issues. The Greens need to support UKIP! Finally, UKIP is not a racist party. Most of Europe and most of us are against immigration in mass numbers for all of the above reasons. None are to do with ethnicity (there is only one race: human). It is about numbers and UKIP believes that MLK got it right when he said we must judge a person by the content of their character and not the colour of their skin. UKIP have multi-ethnic people on board and would like more as Britain is about the British and that is all of us here and here lawfully and who want to see our nation become great again through better education, an independent parliament and legal system, a functional NHS, a strong defence force and able to trade globally without having to go through Brussels to sign new international trade agreements. Take a risk, join UKIP and love Britain![/p][/quote]I be voting ukip, time for a change away from worrying about Europe and filling people like the Blair family all on the euro gravy train.[/p][/quote]& Me, !! ARMANA
  • Score: 3

10:17pm Fri 14 Mar 14

ARMANA says...

p a t r i c k wrote:
pachallis wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
UKIP are a dangerous party funded by a small number of wealthy donors. Their MEPs have wasted their time in Europe, while maxing out the expenses and if their presence increases after the Euro elections they will continue to obstruct reform.

It time the electorate woke up and saw this climate sceptic party for what it is.
@HJ - of course we all know what the progressive mash-up of green activists with differing plans and objectives, with no 'leader' (only a 'spineless convener)' has achieved in Brighton and Hove?

Don't forget to remind us about 20 mph zones and the resultant increased pollution in the city, little used cycle lanes, MX and gender neutral toilets, the refuse collection strikes and how Kitkat hid in the Town Hall refusing to go to talk to strikers, and how the greens expel Christians who might have their own beliefs.

First rule of marketing - focus on promoting what the greens have actually achieved (I'll provide the postage stamp) rather than talking about the failings of any competition.
I will be voting Labour but it is obvious that the 20 mph speed limits are an excellent thing for Brighton & Hove.

Suggesting that 20 mph limits increase pollution is absolute rubbish.

The lower speeds lead to roads that are more friendly to pedestrians and cyclists. The thing which prevents people from cycling is the fear of being killed by car drivers. With the reduced speed limits we will see more cycling. That means fewer people in cars and of course lower pollution.

The Greens are to be absolutely congratulated for the 20 mph limits. They are the best thing to happen in Brighton & Hove for a long time.
Absolute Boloxxxx
[quote][p][bold]p a t r i c k[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: UKIP are a dangerous party funded by a small number of wealthy donors. Their MEPs have wasted their time in Europe, while maxing out the expenses and if their presence increases after the Euro elections they will continue to obstruct reform. It time the electorate woke up and saw this climate sceptic party for what it is.[/p][/quote]@HJ - of course we all know what the progressive mash-up of green activists with differing plans and objectives, with no 'leader' (only a 'spineless convener)' has achieved in Brighton and Hove? Don't forget to remind us about 20 mph zones and the resultant increased pollution in the city, little used cycle lanes, MX and gender neutral toilets, the refuse collection strikes and how Kitkat hid in the Town Hall refusing to go to talk to strikers, and how the greens expel Christians who might have their own beliefs. First rule of marketing - focus on promoting what the greens have actually achieved (I'll provide the postage stamp) rather than talking about the failings of any competition.[/p][/quote]I will be voting Labour but it is obvious that the 20 mph speed limits are an excellent thing for Brighton & Hove. Suggesting that 20 mph limits increase pollution is absolute rubbish. The lower speeds lead to roads that are more friendly to pedestrians and cyclists. The thing which prevents people from cycling is the fear of being killed by car drivers. With the reduced speed limits we will see more cycling. That means fewer people in cars and of course lower pollution. The Greens are to be absolutely congratulated for the 20 mph limits. They are the best thing to happen in Brighton & Hove for a long time.[/p][/quote]Absolute Boloxxxx ARMANA
  • Score: 3

2:43am Sat 15 Mar 14

Zeta Function says...

There will be a price to pay for not being in Europe.

Unless there is co-operation at EU security and defence levels how will outbreaks of instability especially along borders in the east be contained?

There has to be a security framework in order for economies to develop and prosper. If Britain remains outside of Europe then do we rely upon the Americans in the event of a major security crisis? Breakdown in civil society due to riots? Seriously. The Americans would rather we looked after our own security. We stand a better chance of doing that by being in Europe and contributing to a pan European security force, which is accountable to Europe's parliament.
There will be a price to pay for not being in Europe. Unless there is co-operation at EU security and defence levels how will outbreaks of instability especially along borders in the east be contained? There has to be a security framework in order for economies to develop and prosper. If Britain remains outside of Europe then do we rely upon the Americans in the event of a major security crisis? Breakdown in civil society due to riots? Seriously. The Americans would rather we looked after our own security. We stand a better chance of doing that by being in Europe and contributing to a pan European security force, which is accountable to Europe's parliament. Zeta Function
  • Score: -3

7:49am Sat 15 Mar 14

HJarrs says...

Fight_Back wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Libertarian Patriot wrote:
Patrick commented:

You write that UKIP is a libertarian party, but what is meant by that is economic libertarianism what most people recognise as being very right wing.

You claim that UKIP are pro-NHS, but UKIP's deputy leader wishes to see the NHS abolished.

You make all kinds of absurd claims about the EU and immigration.

The benefits of the EU are enormous. It gives UK manufacturers access to the huge market of the EU. If the UK left the EU those manufacturers would leave the UK creating massive unemployment.

Your "facts" about the EU and immigration are truly deluded. You are a classic UKIP supporter, no doubt about that. Peddling any pack of lies that suits your right wing objectives.

In the European parliament UKIP shares their grouping with extreme right wing parties. By participating in that grouping UKIP is advancing the causes of those extreme right wing parties.

All people must be aware of the dangerous nature of UKIP.

_______________

The big question: why do we need to be integrated into the EU and controlled by them politically if all we want is free trade? Our manufacturers do not need EU rules and regulations to manufacture--they need to be able to conduct trade with Europe and the world without trade barriers.

It is hard to get this idea across! UKIP are for Europe and Global free trade. UKIP do not see the need for a Federal Super State--its just more government, more bureaucracy, more control and more money. Adam Smith said that government is best that governs least--why on earth increase government with a top tier on Brussels?

The EU is not Europe and Gallup Europe conducted a poll in September of 2103 and found 70% of European snow oppose the EU. 50% of Germans under 50 also oppose it. UKIP agree with the majority of Europeans and are pro Europe.

UKIP are part of Efd in Europe which is a cross section of parties all of whom oppose the EU. Some are right wing and some UKIP do not agree with but the purpose in having a single group is to get more time to bring Pro-Europe issues before the Parliament which would not be possible if the parties were all fragmented. Remember, the EU is NOT the same as Europe.
Libertarianism is something for the powerful to indulge themselves with. Only last week you were defending the comments by one of your MEPs for businesses to turn away customers if they, for any reason did not wish to serve them. The customers are powerless in that relationship and at the mercy of any predjudice.

I say people should read your manifesto and policies as they will be shocked by what they read. You would have us leave the EU to lose the good things about being in the EU such as the social chapter and the ability to influence decisions in the biggest social and economic grouping in the world. UKIP is a free marketeer party that would be only too happy to negotiate our sovereignty away with trading partners.
Says the person who can't even count how many votes voters had in the last local elections ! Count them HJarrs .... ONE ..... TWO ..... THREE !
And you have continually told us for 3 years you voted Green, despite not agreeing with a single policy, you know tell us you actually voted for 2 Conservative councillors. Very mixed up, my speeding parent friend. As you have disagreed with the Greens from day one of the administration, I think the only way you voted for them was by accident. I suggest you read the names and parties next time. UKIP next time?
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Libertarian Patriot[/bold] wrote: Patrick commented: You write that UKIP is a libertarian party, but what is meant by that is economic libertarianism what most people recognise as being very right wing. You claim that UKIP are pro-NHS, but UKIP's deputy leader wishes to see the NHS abolished. You make all kinds of absurd claims about the EU and immigration. The benefits of the EU are enormous. It gives UK manufacturers access to the huge market of the EU. If the UK left the EU those manufacturers would leave the UK creating massive unemployment. Your "facts" about the EU and immigration are truly deluded. You are a classic UKIP supporter, no doubt about that. Peddling any pack of lies that suits your right wing objectives. In the European parliament UKIP shares their grouping with extreme right wing parties. By participating in that grouping UKIP is advancing the causes of those extreme right wing parties. All people must be aware of the dangerous nature of UKIP. _______________ The big question: why do we need to be integrated into the EU and controlled by them politically if all we want is free trade? Our manufacturers do not need EU rules and regulations to manufacture--they need to be able to conduct trade with Europe and the world without trade barriers. It is hard to get this idea across! UKIP are for Europe and Global free trade. UKIP do not see the need for a Federal Super State--its just more government, more bureaucracy, more control and more money. Adam Smith said that government is best that governs least--why on earth increase government with a top tier on Brussels? The EU is not Europe and Gallup Europe conducted a poll in September of 2103 and found 70% of European snow oppose the EU. 50% of Germans under 50 also oppose it. UKIP agree with the majority of Europeans and are pro Europe. UKIP are part of Efd in Europe which is a cross section of parties all of whom oppose the EU. Some are right wing and some UKIP do not agree with but the purpose in having a single group is to get more time to bring Pro-Europe issues before the Parliament which would not be possible if the parties were all fragmented. Remember, the EU is NOT the same as Europe.[/p][/quote]Libertarianism is something for the powerful to indulge themselves with. Only last week you were defending the comments by one of your MEPs for businesses to turn away customers if they, for any reason did not wish to serve them. The customers are powerless in that relationship and at the mercy of any predjudice. I say people should read your manifesto and policies as they will be shocked by what they read. You would have us leave the EU to lose the good things about being in the EU such as the social chapter and the ability to influence decisions in the biggest social and economic grouping in the world. UKIP is a free marketeer party that would be only too happy to negotiate our sovereignty away with trading partners.[/p][/quote]Says the person who can't even count how many votes voters had in the last local elections ! Count them HJarrs .... ONE ..... TWO ..... THREE ![/p][/quote]And you have continually told us for 3 years you voted Green, despite not agreeing with a single policy, you know tell us you actually voted for 2 Conservative councillors. Very mixed up, my speeding parent friend. As you have disagreed with the Greens from day one of the administration, I think the only way you voted for them was by accident. I suggest you read the names and parties next time. UKIP next time? HJarrs
  • Score: -4

8:05am Sat 15 Mar 14

Viwinner says...

Zeta Function wrote:
There will be a price to pay for not being in Europe.

Unless there is co-operation at EU security and defence levels how will outbreaks of instability especially along borders in the east be contained?

There has to be a security framework in order for economies to develop and prosper. If Britain remains outside of Europe then do we rely upon the Americans in the event of a major security crisis? Breakdown in civil society due to riots? Seriously. The Americans would rather we looked after our own security. We stand a better chance of doing that by being in Europe and contributing to a pan European security force, which is accountable to Europe's parliament.
THE EU is driving is to WW3 backing a new nazi party on the Ukraine I did not see anyone voting these thugs in!
[quote][p][bold]Zeta Function[/bold] wrote: There will be a price to pay for not being in Europe. Unless there is co-operation at EU security and defence levels how will outbreaks of instability especially along borders in the east be contained? There has to be a security framework in order for economies to develop and prosper. If Britain remains outside of Europe then do we rely upon the Americans in the event of a major security crisis? Breakdown in civil society due to riots? Seriously. The Americans would rather we looked after our own security. We stand a better chance of doing that by being in Europe and contributing to a pan European security force, which is accountable to Europe's parliament.[/p][/quote]THE EU is driving is to WW3 backing a new nazi party on the Ukraine I did not see anyone voting these thugs in! Viwinner
  • Score: 1

8:29am Sat 15 Mar 14

roystony says...

Green_Girl_1990 wrote:
Vote for the best! ALWAYS the best!

Vote Jason Kitcat! Vote Caroline Lucas and Brighton Green Party!
Lol
[quote][p][bold]Green_Girl_1990[/bold] wrote: Vote for the best! ALWAYS the best! Vote Jason Kitcat! Vote Caroline Lucas and Brighton Green Party![/p][/quote]Lol roystony
  • Score: 5

9:06am Sat 15 Mar 14

Cyril Bolleaux says...

Zeta Function wrote:
There will be a price to pay for not being in Europe.

Unless there is co-operation at EU security and defence levels how will outbreaks of instability especially along borders in the east be contained?

There has to be a security framework in order for economies to develop and prosper. If Britain remains outside of Europe then do we rely upon the Americans in the event of a major security crisis? Breakdown in civil society due to riots? Seriously. The Americans would rather we looked after our own security. We stand a better chance of doing that by being in Europe and contributing to a pan European security force, which is accountable to Europe's parliament.
Ever heard of NATO?
[quote][p][bold]Zeta Function[/bold] wrote: There will be a price to pay for not being in Europe. Unless there is co-operation at EU security and defence levels how will outbreaks of instability especially along borders in the east be contained? There has to be a security framework in order for economies to develop and prosper. If Britain remains outside of Europe then do we rely upon the Americans in the event of a major security crisis? Breakdown in civil society due to riots? Seriously. The Americans would rather we looked after our own security. We stand a better chance of doing that by being in Europe and contributing to a pan European security force, which is accountable to Europe's parliament.[/p][/quote]Ever heard of NATO? Cyril Bolleaux
  • Score: 4

12:42pm Sun 16 Mar 14

ronrostog says...

Green_Girl_1990 wrote:
Vote for the best! ALWAYS the best!

Vote Jason Kitcat! Vote Caroline Lucas and Brighton Green Party!
And pigs might........
[quote][p][bold]Green_Girl_1990[/bold] wrote: Vote for the best! ALWAYS the best! Vote Jason Kitcat! Vote Caroline Lucas and Brighton Green Party![/p][/quote]And pigs might........ ronrostog
  • Score: 3

1:18pm Sun 16 Mar 14

Poem58 says...

ronrostog wrote:
Green_Girl_1990 wrote:
Vote for the best! ALWAYS the best!

Vote Jason Kitcat! Vote Caroline Lucas and Brighton Green Party!
And pigs might........
By the vacuous nature of 'her' comments and the subsequent negative reactions I strongly suspect 'Green Girl' to be a fraud account designed to wind us up against the Greens.
[quote][p][bold]ronrostog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Green_Girl_1990[/bold] wrote: Vote for the best! ALWAYS the best! Vote Jason Kitcat! Vote Caroline Lucas and Brighton Green Party![/p][/quote]And pigs might........[/p][/quote]By the vacuous nature of 'her' comments and the subsequent negative reactions I strongly suspect 'Green Girl' to be a fraud account designed to wind us up against the Greens. Poem58
  • Score: 1

1:20pm Sun 16 Mar 14

Poem58 says...

roystony wrote:
Green_Girl_1990 wrote:
Vote for the best! ALWAYS the best!

Vote Jason Kitcat! Vote Caroline Lucas and Brighton Green Party!
Lol
By the vacuous nature of 'her' comments and the subsequent negative reactions I strongly suspect 'Green Girl' to be a fraud account designed to wind us up against the Greens.

Don't rise to it, we're being manipulated.
[quote][p][bold]roystony[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Green_Girl_1990[/bold] wrote: Vote for the best! ALWAYS the best! Vote Jason Kitcat! Vote Caroline Lucas and Brighton Green Party![/p][/quote]Lol[/p][/quote]By the vacuous nature of 'her' comments and the subsequent negative reactions I strongly suspect 'Green Girl' to be a fraud account designed to wind us up against the Greens. Don't rise to it, we're being manipulated. Poem58
  • Score: -2

1:30pm Sun 16 Mar 14

mimseycal says...

Well, I'll nail my flag to the mast. I have every intention of voting for UKIP in the Euro elections. I rather like the idea of some Euro sceptics snuffling and grunting away in that particular trough.

Whilst I agree that the EU is not a total success and there are some things I would like to see altered on the whole I don't think that the UK can afford the political and economic isolation that a break away from the EU would bring in its wake.

But if UKIP is looking for my vote in any other election it is looking in vain. Much as I accept that the party itself adheres by and large to the Libertarian ideology, I don't think it is robust enough to prevent the less desirable aspects of an adherence to Libertarian precepts from taking over. Aside from anything else, for pure Libertarianism to succeed, we would require a much more ideal world then we currently have.
Well, I'll nail my flag to the mast. I have every intention of voting for UKIP in the Euro elections. I rather like the idea of some Euro sceptics snuffling and grunting away in that particular trough. Whilst I agree that the EU is not a total success and there are some things I would like to see altered on the whole I don't think that the UK can afford the political and economic isolation that a break away from the EU would bring in its wake. But if UKIP is looking for my vote in any other election it is looking in vain. Much as I accept that the party itself adheres by and large to the Libertarian ideology, I don't think it is robust enough to prevent the less desirable aspects of an adherence to Libertarian precepts from taking over. Aside from anything else, for pure Libertarianism to succeed, we would require a much more ideal world then we currently have. mimseycal
  • Score: 1

10:19am Wed 19 Mar 14

theargusissoinformative says...

Simon Philips wrote:
Vote Green with all the new surveillance cameras they've put up spying on people? They can go to hell too!
Please explain exactly what you are on about. What, where, how, why? What exactly have I been missing? Please back up your accusations or keep quiet. I won't bother reading this site if there's too many people like you. A response would be appreciated.
[quote][p][bold]Simon Philips[/bold] wrote: Vote Green with all the new surveillance cameras they've put up spying on people? They can go to hell too![/p][/quote]Please explain exactly what you are on about. What, where, how, why? What exactly have I been missing? Please back up your accusations or keep quiet. I won't bother reading this site if there's too many people like you. A response would be appreciated. theargusissoinformative
  • Score: -1

10:56am Wed 19 Mar 14

theargusissoinformative says...

angrymonkey wrote:
im for UKIP as I want someone to fight for the uk not giving all are money to over seas when we need it here and stop all the people coming into the uk from EU for a easy life with good hand outs. All you read on here how the greens have left Brighton in a big mess but still people want to vote them in. I can only think the people voting greens have not been in Brighton long and never see it in the good days before went down the pan.
Can you please put a time line on your argument? Are you not thinking in old money and comparing apples and pears, like a really old person? I was born in 1975, and I remember Brighton as a really dirty place where the main character of any significance was Nicholas Hoogstraten. 'A town looking like it was helping the Police with their enquiries' was a phrase frequently used by outside media, which I haven't seen anyone bother to use for a long time now.
[quote][p][bold]angrymonkey[/bold] wrote: im for UKIP as I want someone to fight for the uk not giving all are money to over seas when we need it here and stop all the people coming into the uk from EU for a easy life with good hand outs. All you read on here how the greens have left Brighton in a big mess but still people want to vote them in. I can only think the people voting greens have not been in Brighton long and never see it in the good days before went down the pan.[/p][/quote]Can you please put a time line on your argument? Are you not thinking in old money and comparing apples and pears, like a really old person? I was born in 1975, and I remember Brighton as a really dirty place where the main character of any significance was Nicholas Hoogstraten. 'A town looking like it was helping the Police with their enquiries' was a phrase frequently used by outside media, which I haven't seen anyone bother to use for a long time now. theargusissoinformative
  • Score: 2

2:33pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Monkeymoo1 says...

You're all wrong, there's not one person on this thread who knows what the F*** they are talking about you are all a bunch of f***wits who should be lined up against a wall and oooops wrong story thought everyone was **** about cycle lanes and the greens again
You're all wrong, there's not one person on this thread who knows what the F*** they are talking about you are all a bunch of f***wits who should be lined up against a wall and oooops wrong story thought everyone was **** about cycle lanes and the greens again Monkeymoo1
  • Score: 0

4:53pm Wed 19 Mar 14

ARMANA says...

mimseycal wrote:
Well, I'll nail my flag to the mast. I have every intention of voting for UKIP in the Euro elections. I rather like the idea of some Euro sceptics snuffling and grunting away in that particular trough.

Whilst I agree that the EU is not a total success and there are some things I would like to see altered on the whole I don't think that the UK can afford the political and economic isolation that a break away from the EU would bring in its wake.

But if UKIP is looking for my vote in any other election it is looking in vain. Much as I accept that the party itself adheres by and large to the Libertarian ideology, I don't think it is robust enough to prevent the less desirable aspects of an adherence to Libertarian precepts from taking over. Aside from anything else, for pure Libertarianism to succeed, we would require a much more ideal world then we currently have.
Thats a shame, don't you think it would be great to have a few U.KIP M.Ps in the commons, telling the true about the amount of people coming through our borders unchecked, etc, rather than the lies, spouted by the 2 main parties... love em , or hate em, they do say it as it is, (very refreshing) these days,
[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: Well, I'll nail my flag to the mast. I have every intention of voting for UKIP in the Euro elections. I rather like the idea of some Euro sceptics snuffling and grunting away in that particular trough. Whilst I agree that the EU is not a total success and there are some things I would like to see altered on the whole I don't think that the UK can afford the political and economic isolation that a break away from the EU would bring in its wake. But if UKIP is looking for my vote in any other election it is looking in vain. Much as I accept that the party itself adheres by and large to the Libertarian ideology, I don't think it is robust enough to prevent the less desirable aspects of an adherence to Libertarian precepts from taking over. Aside from anything else, for pure Libertarianism to succeed, we would require a much more ideal world then we currently have.[/p][/quote]Thats a shame, don't you think it would be great to have a few U.KIP M.Ps in the commons, telling the true about the amount of people coming through our borders unchecked, etc, rather than the lies, spouted by the 2 main parties... love em , or hate em, they do say it as it is, (very refreshing) these days, ARMANA
  • Score: 3

10:29pm Wed 19 Mar 14

ARMANA says...

Poem58 wrote:
roystony wrote:
Green_Girl_1990 wrote:
Vote for the best! ALWAYS the best!

Vote Jason Kitcat! Vote Caroline Lucas and Brighton Green Party!
Lol
By the vacuous nature of 'her' comments and the subsequent negative reactions I strongly suspect 'Green Girl' to be a fraud account designed to wind us up against the Greens.

Don't rise to it, we're being manipulated.
She should go to the Bookies, and have a £100 bet on the Green Slimes winning again in Brighton, put her money were her big mouth is, BET she dont, ;)
[quote][p][bold]Poem58[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roystony[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Green_Girl_1990[/bold] wrote: Vote for the best! ALWAYS the best! Vote Jason Kitcat! Vote Caroline Lucas and Brighton Green Party![/p][/quote]Lol[/p][/quote]By the vacuous nature of 'her' comments and the subsequent negative reactions I strongly suspect 'Green Girl' to be a fraud account designed to wind us up against the Greens. Don't rise to it, we're being manipulated.[/p][/quote]She should go to the Bookies, and have a £100 bet on the Green Slimes winning again in Brighton, put her money were her big mouth is, BET she dont, ;) ARMANA
  • Score: 1

9:49am Thu 20 Mar 14

hey mongo says...

Im voting ukip and nearly every person i know will be voting UKIP...

Thats from various regions in bton, hawk, hanover, kemp town scoombe patcham etc

Most hard working or even lazy working people are fed up of paying taxes to be laid out on foreigners jumping the queue on housing and nhs lists...when im talking foreigners not hard working skilled and generally nice people but people who cant speak a word of english taking up jobs for cash in hand pay well below the minimum wage making it impossible for kids and others who have lost there jobs to find employment at a half decent wage....

Rightly or wrongly thats why people are voting UKIP
Im voting ukip and nearly every person i know will be voting UKIP... Thats from various regions in bton, hawk, hanover, kemp town scoombe patcham etc Most hard working or even lazy working people are fed up of paying taxes to be laid out on foreigners jumping the queue on housing and nhs lists...when im talking foreigners not hard working skilled and generally nice people but people who cant speak a word of english taking up jobs for cash in hand pay well below the minimum wage making it impossible for kids and others who have lost there jobs to find employment at a half decent wage.... Rightly or wrongly thats why people are voting UKIP hey mongo
  • Score: 3

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