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Tim Loughton MP vows to complain to police watchdog despite apology

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An MP has vowed to complain to the police watchdog about Sussex Police’s behaviour – despite receiving an apology from the force.

East Worthing and Shoreham MP Tim Loughton has said he will complain to the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) after he was wrongly issued a Police Information Notice (PIN) from the force.

Sussex Police issued Mr Loughton and others with the notice despite it being illegal – former Chief Constable Martin Richards subsequently said this was a mistake and officers were not aware they should not have acted as they did.

New temporary chief constable Giles York has apologised publically to Mr Loughton and promised a full review headed by a detective superintendent into the issue.

But in a statement, Mr Loughton said he would complain to the IPCC despite there already having been a parliamentary committee set up to look into the matter.

He said: “I am relieved and pleased that the new management of Sussex Police have acted swiftly to acknowledge that they were in breach of parliamentary privilege, which is an important safeguard of free speech in our democracy, and that they failed to follow their own procedures in the use of Police Information Notices (PINs).

“But I am also angry that so much police time and taxpayers’ money has been wasted on this shambolic and nonsensical investigation which has caused great damage to confidence in the priorities of the senior management team at Sussex Police.

“The early departure of the former chief constable affords an important opportunity for the police to re-establish that confidence, not just of me but of our constituents across the county that Sussex Police can tell the difference between victims of abuse and perpetrators of abuse and protect us appropriately.

“Many questions remain about how Sussex Police allowed this situation to get out of hand to the extent it did and I will therefore be submitting a full complaint to the IPCC but I am pleased that in the meantime I have been given a full apology.”

Temporary chief constable York said: “Although the committee recognises that our breach of parliamentary privilege was inadvertent I wish to offer a full apology to the committee, Mr Loughton and the four other recipients.

“We always sought to treat all parties fairly. On that basis we will withdraw all PIN notices given to those involved in this matter.

“This is a complex area and as such I have set up a review of Sussex Police’s use of PIN notices. This will be headed up by a detective superintendent and will link in with the Sussex Police and Crime Commissioner Katy Bourne’s request to the College of Policing to formulate improved policy in this area.”

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10:42am Mon 17 Mar 14

clubrob6 says...

This MP needs to concentrate on doing his job,it really is starting to look like this MP was in the wrong with his constituent .Its quite obvious this MP has a bee in his bonnet as someone has told him what to do,if he let it go he would have made his point but just like the PLEB case this MP wants heads to roll just to prove his point.Cant this MP not see he is making himself look like a spoilt child that has not got his way.He is about to get 11% pay rise let that be his compensation,but please let it go our police have enough to do with much less money after the cuts than be wasting time on a MP that cant accept an apology .In a pub in shoreham yesterday the opinion was as I have stated above.
This MP needs to concentrate on doing his job,it really is starting to look like this MP was in the wrong with his constituent .Its quite obvious this MP has a bee in his bonnet as someone has told him what to do,if he let it go he would have made his point but just like the PLEB case this MP wants heads to roll just to prove his point.Cant this MP not see he is making himself look like a spoilt child that has not got his way.He is about to get 11% pay rise let that be his compensation,but please let it go our police have enough to do with much less money after the cuts than be wasting time on a MP that cant accept an apology .In a pub in shoreham yesterday the opinion was as I have stated above. clubrob6
  • Score: 3

10:48am Mon 17 Mar 14

Bluebeef says...

What is this man on or does he have something to hide?
He seems to enjoy hounding people: first "Mr unkempt"(apologies!) now the Sussex Police who appear only to have wanted to deal with a complex tangle in an even handed manner.

The principal person undermining confidence in Sussex Police is Mr Laughton apparently seeking revenge for the bruising of his amour propre by being treated like an ordinary citizen.

Right or wrong he has an apology; why does he not behave with some dignity and grace and get on with representing his constituents.
What is this man on or does he have something to hide? He seems to enjoy hounding people: first "Mr unkempt"(apologies!) now the Sussex Police who appear only to have wanted to deal with a complex tangle in an even handed manner. The principal person undermining confidence in Sussex Police is Mr Laughton apparently seeking revenge for the bruising of his amour propre by being treated like an ordinary citizen. Right or wrong he has an apology; why does he not behave with some dignity and grace and get on with representing his constituents. Bluebeef
  • Score: 6

10:59am Mon 17 Mar 14

theargusissoinformative says...

Tim Loughton would seem to be a 'fruitcake, loon, closet racist', and anything else you can add (narcisisstic perhaps). As a Tory, I wouldn't bother turning out to vote for him. It is a pity that his seat is so safe. I have heard strange, secondhand stories from people who have had to deal with him, and each of the stories that keep presenting themselves in the press are much too peculiar to be believable. I have also repeatedly had my attention drawn to strange letters that he writes. Is he sane? I am grateful that I am not one of his constituents. His constituency association should be taking note and doing something. If he is spending so much time on this nonsense, then he should have the sense to be doing something about things himself, and be seen to be doing useful things for his constituents. If Worthing East and Shoreham were a marginal, he would definitely be out at the next election. The man is an embarrassment to his own party.
Tim Loughton would seem to be a 'fruitcake, loon, closet racist', and anything else you can add (narcisisstic perhaps). As a Tory, I wouldn't bother turning out to vote for him. It is a pity that his seat is so safe. I have heard strange, secondhand stories from people who have had to deal with him, and each of the stories that keep presenting themselves in the press are much too peculiar to be believable. I have also repeatedly had my attention drawn to strange letters that he writes. Is he sane? I am grateful that I am not one of his constituents. His constituency association should be taking note and doing something. If he is spending so much time on this nonsense, then he should have the sense to be doing something about things himself, and be seen to be doing useful things for his constituents. If Worthing East and Shoreham were a marginal, he would definitely be out at the next election. The man is an embarrassment to his own party. theargusissoinformative
  • Score: 3

11:01am Mon 17 Mar 14

clubrob6 says...

Bluebeef wrote:
What is this man on or does he have something to hide?
He seems to enjoy hounding people: first "Mr unkempt"(apologies!) now the Sussex Police who appear only to have wanted to deal with a complex tangle in an even handed manner.

The principal person undermining confidence in Sussex Police is Mr Laughton apparently seeking revenge for the bruising of his amour propre by being treated like an ordinary citizen.

Right or wrong he has an apology; why does he not behave with some dignity and grace and get on with representing his constituents.
Exactly,the way this MP has behaved towards the police shows he must have been the same towards as you put it Mr unkempt.Its obvious this MP does not like to be told what to do,like most people in politics these days he is above himself.He is the laugthing stock of shoreham I never heard anyone say anything nice about him in the pub yesterday.If I was a MP I would want to keep a low profile as I would be quite guilty about receiving the 11% pay rise while everyone else is facing cuts in real terms.I accept the polices apology pity this MP is not man enough to accept it and move on.
[quote][p][bold]Bluebeef[/bold] wrote: What is this man on or does he have something to hide? He seems to enjoy hounding people: first "Mr unkempt"(apologies!) now the Sussex Police who appear only to have wanted to deal with a complex tangle in an even handed manner. The principal person undermining confidence in Sussex Police is Mr Laughton apparently seeking revenge for the bruising of his amour propre by being treated like an ordinary citizen. Right or wrong he has an apology; why does he not behave with some dignity and grace and get on with representing his constituents.[/p][/quote]Exactly,the way this MP has behaved towards the police shows he must have been the same towards as you put it Mr unkempt.Its obvious this MP does not like to be told what to do,like most people in politics these days he is above himself.He is the laugthing stock of shoreham I never heard anyone say anything nice about him in the pub yesterday.If I was a MP I would want to keep a low profile as I would be quite guilty about receiving the 11% pay rise while everyone else is facing cuts in real terms.I accept the polices apology pity this MP is not man enough to accept it and move on. clubrob6
  • Score: 3

11:07am Mon 17 Mar 14

clubrob6 says...

theargusissoinformat
ive
wrote:
Tim Loughton would seem to be a 'fruitcake, loon, closet racist', and anything else you can add (narcisisstic perhaps). As a Tory, I wouldn't bother turning out to vote for him. It is a pity that his seat is so safe. I have heard strange, secondhand stories from people who have had to deal with him, and each of the stories that keep presenting themselves in the press are much too peculiar to be believable. I have also repeatedly had my attention drawn to strange letters that he writes. Is he sane? I am grateful that I am not one of his constituents. His constituency association should be taking note and doing something. If he is spending so much time on this nonsense, then he should have the sense to be doing something about things himself, and be seen to be doing useful things for his constituents. If Worthing East and Shoreham were a marginal, he would definitely be out at the next election. The man is an embarrassment to his own party.
Be assured shoreham residents are not happy with him ,in the pub yesterday not one person had a good thing to say about him he is above himself.His seat is not as safe as he thinks as locals are turning to UKIP.I also agree this man is an embarrassment to his own party but he fits in quite well with his embarrassing leaders.
[quote][p][bold]theargusissoinformat ive[/bold] wrote: Tim Loughton would seem to be a 'fruitcake, loon, closet racist', and anything else you can add (narcisisstic perhaps). As a Tory, I wouldn't bother turning out to vote for him. It is a pity that his seat is so safe. I have heard strange, secondhand stories from people who have had to deal with him, and each of the stories that keep presenting themselves in the press are much too peculiar to be believable. I have also repeatedly had my attention drawn to strange letters that he writes. Is he sane? I am grateful that I am not one of his constituents. His constituency association should be taking note and doing something. If he is spending so much time on this nonsense, then he should have the sense to be doing something about things himself, and be seen to be doing useful things for his constituents. If Worthing East and Shoreham were a marginal, he would definitely be out at the next election. The man is an embarrassment to his own party.[/p][/quote]Be assured shoreham residents are not happy with him ,in the pub yesterday not one person had a good thing to say about him he is above himself.His seat is not as safe as he thinks as locals are turning to UKIP.I also agree this man is an embarrassment to his own party but he fits in quite well with his embarrassing leaders. clubrob6
  • Score: 3

11:12am Mon 17 Mar 14

The Real Phil says...

Whilst is it usually good fun to have a pop at an MP, let's not forget that this situation has come about due to the actions of corrupt police officers (in a very similar way to the Pleb-gate affair).
Confidence in the police is less likely to be undermined by this in comparison to the outcomes of the latest corruption investigations into their actions during the miners strike, or at Hillsborough, or other occurrences which are bound to come to light in the passing of time.
And if it looks like this is a police bashing post then perhaps it is, for the way they have let society down.
In the sixties I have memories of (later Sir) Robert Mark giving a fine speech about how he was going to stamp out corruption in the force. Nearly fifty years on and little has changed, apart from the corruption these days being more about having power and less about taking kickbacks.
Whilst is it usually good fun to have a pop at an MP, let's not forget that this situation has come about due to the actions of corrupt police officers (in a very similar way to the Pleb-gate affair). Confidence in the police is less likely to be undermined by this in comparison to the outcomes of the latest corruption investigations into their actions during the miners strike, or at Hillsborough, or other occurrences which are bound to come to light in the passing of time. And if it looks like this is a police bashing post then perhaps it is, for the way they have let society down. In the sixties I have memories of (later Sir) Robert Mark giving a fine speech about how he was going to stamp out corruption in the force. Nearly fifty years on and little has changed, apart from the corruption these days being more about having power and less about taking kickbacks. The Real Phil
  • Score: -6

11:15am Mon 17 Mar 14

Isaac Rinkfern says...

"Sussex Police issued Mr Loughton and others with the notice despite it being illegal"

These notices are not "illegal", nor was the issue of one to Loughton, if the issue of PINs was "illegal", then pretty mush every police officer in Sussex would need to be arrested.

The truth is, Loughton didn't like being treated like everyone else would be.

The figures regarding cost of investigations would be a real eye opener, mainly because the investigation into Loughton would have cost a tiny percentage of the costs incurred by his repeated attempts to attain revenge against anyone who dares to challenge him.
"Sussex Police issued Mr Loughton and others with the notice despite it being illegal" These notices are not "illegal", nor was the issue of one to Loughton, if the issue of PINs was "illegal", then pretty mush every police officer in Sussex would need to be arrested. The truth is, Loughton didn't like being treated like everyone else would be. The figures regarding cost of investigations would be a real eye opener, mainly because the investigation into Loughton would have cost a tiny percentage of the costs incurred by his repeated attempts to attain revenge against anyone who dares to challenge him. Isaac Rinkfern
  • Score: 5

11:20am Mon 17 Mar 14

Isaac Rinkfern says...

Oh, and less of the "Mr Unkempt" please, this was always the least relevant part of the police investigation but the most publicised because this was the claim made in a magic castle where reality is left at the door.

Can we please use "Mr Konstituent" instead please?
Oh, and less of the "Mr Unkempt" please, this was always the least relevant part of the police investigation but the most publicised because this was the claim made in a magic castle where reality is left at the door. Can we please use "Mr Konstituent" instead please? Isaac Rinkfern
  • Score: 5

11:28am Mon 17 Mar 14

Bluebeef says...

Isaac Rinkfern wrote:
Oh, and less of the "Mr Unkempt" please, this was always the least relevant part of the police investigation but the most publicised because this was the claim made in a magic castle where reality is left at the door.

Can we please use "Mr Konstituent" instead please?
Apologies were given at the time and hence the quotation marks: I needed a shorthand description. Mr Konstituent is good.
[quote][p][bold]Isaac Rinkfern[/bold] wrote: Oh, and less of the "Mr Unkempt" please, this was always the least relevant part of the police investigation but the most publicised because this was the claim made in a magic castle where reality is left at the door. Can we please use "Mr Konstituent" instead please?[/p][/quote]Apologies were given at the time and hence the quotation marks: I needed a shorthand description. Mr Konstituent is good. Bluebeef
  • Score: 4

11:32am Mon 17 Mar 14

Bluebeef says...

The Real Phil wrote:
Whilst is it usually good fun to have a pop at an MP, let's not forget that this situation has come about due to the actions of corrupt police officers (in a very similar way to the Pleb-gate affair).
Confidence in the police is less likely to be undermined by this in comparison to the outcomes of the latest corruption investigations into their actions during the miners strike, or at Hillsborough, or other occurrences which are bound to come to light in the passing of time.
And if it looks like this is a police bashing post then perhaps it is, for the way they have let society down.
In the sixties I have memories of (later Sir) Robert Mark giving a fine speech about how he was going to stamp out corruption in the force. Nearly fifty years on and little has changed, apart from the corruption these days being more about having power and less about taking kickbacks.
In all that I have been able to read, I have not seen the slightest evidence or suggestion of police corruption; do you have any or is this just a knee-jerk response.

In what way have police let society down 99.9% of them are decent human beings trying to do an increasingly difficult job and fed up with political interference.

Loughton's complaint seems to revolve around the fact that he was treated in the same way as Mr Konstituent and others and that he was interviewed in a police custody suite like everyone else would have been; if this attempt by the police at being evenhanded can be described as corruption, we live in a very strange world
[quote][p][bold]The Real Phil[/bold] wrote: Whilst is it usually good fun to have a pop at an MP, let's not forget that this situation has come about due to the actions of corrupt police officers (in a very similar way to the Pleb-gate affair). Confidence in the police is less likely to be undermined by this in comparison to the outcomes of the latest corruption investigations into their actions during the miners strike, or at Hillsborough, or other occurrences which are bound to come to light in the passing of time. And if it looks like this is a police bashing post then perhaps it is, for the way they have let society down. In the sixties I have memories of (later Sir) Robert Mark giving a fine speech about how he was going to stamp out corruption in the force. Nearly fifty years on and little has changed, apart from the corruption these days being more about having power and less about taking kickbacks.[/p][/quote]In all that I have been able to read, I have not seen the slightest evidence or suggestion of police corruption; do you have any or is this just a knee-jerk response. In what way have police let society down 99.9% of them are decent human beings trying to do an increasingly difficult job and fed up with political interference. Loughton's complaint seems to revolve around the fact that he was treated in the same way as Mr Konstituent and others and that he was interviewed in a police custody suite like everyone else would have been; if this attempt by the police at being evenhanded can be described as corruption, we live in a very strange world Bluebeef
  • Score: 7

11:32am Mon 17 Mar 14

Isaac Rinkfern says...

Bluebeef wrote:
Isaac Rinkfern wrote:
Oh, and less of the "Mr Unkempt" please, this was always the least relevant part of the police investigation but the most publicised because this was the claim made in a magic castle where reality is left at the door.

Can we please use "Mr Konstituent" instead please?
Apologies were given at the time and hence the quotation marks: I needed a shorthand description. Mr Konstituent is good.
Cheers :-)
[quote][p][bold]Bluebeef[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Isaac Rinkfern[/bold] wrote: Oh, and less of the "Mr Unkempt" please, this was always the least relevant part of the police investigation but the most publicised because this was the claim made in a magic castle where reality is left at the door. Can we please use "Mr Konstituent" instead please?[/p][/quote]Apologies were given at the time and hence the quotation marks: I needed a shorthand description. Mr Konstituent is good.[/p][/quote]Cheers :-) Isaac Rinkfern
  • Score: 0

11:37am Mon 17 Mar 14

clubrob6 says...

The Real Phil wrote:
Whilst is it usually good fun to have a pop at an MP, let's not forget that this situation has come about due to the actions of corrupt police officers (in a very similar way to the Pleb-gate affair).
Confidence in the police is less likely to be undermined by this in comparison to the outcomes of the latest corruption investigations into their actions during the miners strike, or at Hillsborough, or other occurrences which are bound to come to light in the passing of time.
And if it looks like this is a police bashing post then perhaps it is, for the way they have let society down.
In the sixties I have memories of (later Sir) Robert Mark giving a fine speech about how he was going to stamp out corruption in the force. Nearly fifty years on and little has changed, apart from the corruption these days being more about having power and less about taking kickbacks.
No one is saying police did not make mistakes but this MP just looks like he does not like anyone telling him what to do so is out to make heads roll just to make his point.He is not going down well with people of shoreham his seat is not as safe as he thinks.He has made his point and should now just let it go.
[quote][p][bold]The Real Phil[/bold] wrote: Whilst is it usually good fun to have a pop at an MP, let's not forget that this situation has come about due to the actions of corrupt police officers (in a very similar way to the Pleb-gate affair). Confidence in the police is less likely to be undermined by this in comparison to the outcomes of the latest corruption investigations into their actions during the miners strike, or at Hillsborough, or other occurrences which are bound to come to light in the passing of time. And if it looks like this is a police bashing post then perhaps it is, for the way they have let society down. In the sixties I have memories of (later Sir) Robert Mark giving a fine speech about how he was going to stamp out corruption in the force. Nearly fifty years on and little has changed, apart from the corruption these days being more about having power and less about taking kickbacks.[/p][/quote]No one is saying police did not make mistakes but this MP just looks like he does not like anyone telling him what to do so is out to make heads roll just to make his point.He is not going down well with people of shoreham his seat is not as safe as he thinks.He has made his point and should now just let it go. clubrob6
  • Score: 5

11:41am Mon 17 Mar 14

Isaac Rinkfern says...

Bluebeef wrote:
The Real Phil wrote:
Whilst is it usually good fun to have a pop at an MP, let's not forget that this situation has come about due to the actions of corrupt police officers (in a very similar way to the Pleb-gate affair).
Confidence in the police is less likely to be undermined by this in comparison to the outcomes of the latest corruption investigations into their actions during the miners strike, or at Hillsborough, or other occurrences which are bound to come to light in the passing of time.
And if it looks like this is a police bashing post then perhaps it is, for the way they have let society down.
In the sixties I have memories of (later Sir) Robert Mark giving a fine speech about how he was going to stamp out corruption in the force. Nearly fifty years on and little has changed, apart from the corruption these days being more about having power and less about taking kickbacks.
In all that I have been able to read, I have not seen the slightest evidence or suggestion of police corruption; do you have any or is this just a knee-jerk response.

In what way have police let society down 99.9% of them are decent human beings trying to do an increasingly difficult job and fed up with political interference.

Loughton's complaint seems to revolve around the fact that he was treated in the same way as Mr Konstituent and others and that he was interviewed in a police custody suite like everyone else would have been; if this attempt by the police at being evenhanded can be described as corruption, we live in a very strange world
I wish he was treated the same way as the police treated me, he got the "deluxe package" which didn't involve home invasion or any violence at all, but this will all come out in good time.

Loughton has been adding "gate" as a suffix in order to lend similarity to both cases when in fact you are correct, the police took the most lenient action available to the MP concerned, but he still thought that this was unacceptable, (but definitely not illegal as the story claims).

It would be nice to know just how much the original investigation into him cost, (around £2k, I was told), and the cost of the spurious allegations he then made against myself to SP, and the cost of the numerous investigations.

Maybe he's simply trying to make the £2k up to the radically overestimated £100k he originally claimed.
[quote][p][bold]Bluebeef[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Real Phil[/bold] wrote: Whilst is it usually good fun to have a pop at an MP, let's not forget that this situation has come about due to the actions of corrupt police officers (in a very similar way to the Pleb-gate affair). Confidence in the police is less likely to be undermined by this in comparison to the outcomes of the latest corruption investigations into their actions during the miners strike, or at Hillsborough, or other occurrences which are bound to come to light in the passing of time. And if it looks like this is a police bashing post then perhaps it is, for the way they have let society down. In the sixties I have memories of (later Sir) Robert Mark giving a fine speech about how he was going to stamp out corruption in the force. Nearly fifty years on and little has changed, apart from the corruption these days being more about having power and less about taking kickbacks.[/p][/quote]In all that I have been able to read, I have not seen the slightest evidence or suggestion of police corruption; do you have any or is this just a knee-jerk response. In what way have police let society down 99.9% of them are decent human beings trying to do an increasingly difficult job and fed up with political interference. Loughton's complaint seems to revolve around the fact that he was treated in the same way as Mr Konstituent and others and that he was interviewed in a police custody suite like everyone else would have been; if this attempt by the police at being evenhanded can be described as corruption, we live in a very strange world[/p][/quote]I wish he was treated the same way as the police treated me, he got the "deluxe package" which didn't involve home invasion or any violence at all, but this will all come out in good time. Loughton has been adding "gate" as a suffix in order to lend similarity to both cases when in fact you are correct, the police took the most lenient action available to the MP concerned, but he still thought that this was unacceptable, (but definitely not illegal as the story claims). It would be nice to know just how much the original investigation into him cost, (around £2k, I was told), and the cost of the spurious allegations he then made against myself to SP, and the cost of the numerous investigations. Maybe he's simply trying to make the £2k up to the radically overestimated £100k he originally claimed. Isaac Rinkfern
  • Score: 4

12:02pm Mon 17 Mar 14

clubrob6 says...

Isaac Rinkfern wrote:
Bluebeef wrote:
The Real Phil wrote:
Whilst is it usually good fun to have a pop at an MP, let's not forget that this situation has come about due to the actions of corrupt police officers (in a very similar way to the Pleb-gate affair).
Confidence in the police is less likely to be undermined by this in comparison to the outcomes of the latest corruption investigations into their actions during the miners strike, or at Hillsborough, or other occurrences which are bound to come to light in the passing of time.
And if it looks like this is a police bashing post then perhaps it is, for the way they have let society down.
In the sixties I have memories of (later Sir) Robert Mark giving a fine speech about how he was going to stamp out corruption in the force. Nearly fifty years on and little has changed, apart from the corruption these days being more about having power and less about taking kickbacks.
In all that I have been able to read, I have not seen the slightest evidence or suggestion of police corruption; do you have any or is this just a knee-jerk response.

In what way have police let society down 99.9% of them are decent human beings trying to do an increasingly difficult job and fed up with political interference.

Loughton's complaint seems to revolve around the fact that he was treated in the same way as Mr Konstituent and others and that he was interviewed in a police custody suite like everyone else would have been; if this attempt by the police at being evenhanded can be described as corruption, we live in a very strange world
I wish he was treated the same way as the police treated me, he got the "deluxe package" which didn't involve home invasion or any violence at all, but this will all come out in good time.

Loughton has been adding "gate" as a suffix in order to lend similarity to both cases when in fact you are correct, the police took the most lenient action available to the MP concerned, but he still thought that this was unacceptable, (but definitely not illegal as the story claims).

It would be nice to know just how much the original investigation into him cost, (around £2k, I was told), and the cost of the spurious allegations he then made against myself to SP, and the cost of the numerous investigations.

Maybe he's simply trying to make the £2k up to the radically overestimated £100k he originally claimed.
Be carefull this MP has a bee in his pocket,he obviously wants heads to roll but by what I've heard in shoreham pubs last night not one person was on the MP's side so let it be as this MP is doing the damage to himself.
[quote][p][bold]Isaac Rinkfern[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bluebeef[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Real Phil[/bold] wrote: Whilst is it usually good fun to have a pop at an MP, let's not forget that this situation has come about due to the actions of corrupt police officers (in a very similar way to the Pleb-gate affair). Confidence in the police is less likely to be undermined by this in comparison to the outcomes of the latest corruption investigations into their actions during the miners strike, or at Hillsborough, or other occurrences which are bound to come to light in the passing of time. And if it looks like this is a police bashing post then perhaps it is, for the way they have let society down. In the sixties I have memories of (later Sir) Robert Mark giving a fine speech about how he was going to stamp out corruption in the force. Nearly fifty years on and little has changed, apart from the corruption these days being more about having power and less about taking kickbacks.[/p][/quote]In all that I have been able to read, I have not seen the slightest evidence or suggestion of police corruption; do you have any or is this just a knee-jerk response. In what way have police let society down 99.9% of them are decent human beings trying to do an increasingly difficult job and fed up with political interference. Loughton's complaint seems to revolve around the fact that he was treated in the same way as Mr Konstituent and others and that he was interviewed in a police custody suite like everyone else would have been; if this attempt by the police at being evenhanded can be described as corruption, we live in a very strange world[/p][/quote]I wish he was treated the same way as the police treated me, he got the "deluxe package" which didn't involve home invasion or any violence at all, but this will all come out in good time. Loughton has been adding "gate" as a suffix in order to lend similarity to both cases when in fact you are correct, the police took the most lenient action available to the MP concerned, but he still thought that this was unacceptable, (but definitely not illegal as the story claims). It would be nice to know just how much the original investigation into him cost, (around £2k, I was told), and the cost of the spurious allegations he then made against myself to SP, and the cost of the numerous investigations. Maybe he's simply trying to make the £2k up to the radically overestimated £100k he originally claimed.[/p][/quote]Be carefull this MP has a bee in his pocket,he obviously wants heads to roll but by what I've heard in shoreham pubs last night not one person was on the MP's side so let it be as this MP is doing the damage to himself. clubrob6
  • Score: 3

12:14pm Mon 17 Mar 14

Isaac Rinkfern says...

clubrob6 wrote:
Isaac Rinkfern wrote:
Bluebeef wrote:
The Real Phil wrote:
Whilst is it usually good fun to have a pop at an MP, let's not forget that this situation has come about due to the actions of corrupt police officers (in a very similar way to the Pleb-gate affair).
Confidence in the police is less likely to be undermined by this in comparison to the outcomes of the latest corruption investigations into their actions during the miners strike, or at Hillsborough, or other occurrences which are bound to come to light in the passing of time.
And if it looks like this is a police bashing post then perhaps it is, for the way they have let society down.
In the sixties I have memories of (later Sir) Robert Mark giving a fine speech about how he was going to stamp out corruption in the force. Nearly fifty years on and little has changed, apart from the corruption these days being more about having power and less about taking kickbacks.
In all that I have been able to read, I have not seen the slightest evidence or suggestion of police corruption; do you have any or is this just a knee-jerk response.

In what way have police let society down 99.9% of them are decent human beings trying to do an increasingly difficult job and fed up with political interference.

Loughton's complaint seems to revolve around the fact that he was treated in the same way as Mr Konstituent and others and that he was interviewed in a police custody suite like everyone else would have been; if this attempt by the police at being evenhanded can be described as corruption, we live in a very strange world
I wish he was treated the same way as the police treated me, he got the "deluxe package" which didn't involve home invasion or any violence at all, but this will all come out in good time.

Loughton has been adding "gate" as a suffix in order to lend similarity to both cases when in fact you are correct, the police took the most lenient action available to the MP concerned, but he still thought that this was unacceptable, (but definitely not illegal as the story claims).

It would be nice to know just how much the original investigation into him cost, (around £2k, I was told), and the cost of the spurious allegations he then made against myself to SP, and the cost of the numerous investigations.

Maybe he's simply trying to make the £2k up to the radically overestimated £100k he originally claimed.
Be carefull this MP has a bee in his pocket,he obviously wants heads to roll but by what I've heard in shoreham pubs last night not one person was on the MP's side so let it be as this MP is doing the damage to himself.
I think what has really got up his nose, is that I also received an apology from the CC, and the pin issued to me after his numerous complaints were investigated and I was found to have broken no laws, was also revoked.

Only three of the other four PINs revoked were issued to Adur councillors, (Parkin, Mendoza and Burns, regarding other incidents, not relating to the MP or his privilege), the other was mine.

It is nice to see the tide turning though, I knew what was really happening last March when this kicked off, glad that the rest of the town is finally catching up.
[quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Isaac Rinkfern[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bluebeef[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Real Phil[/bold] wrote: Whilst is it usually good fun to have a pop at an MP, let's not forget that this situation has come about due to the actions of corrupt police officers (in a very similar way to the Pleb-gate affair). Confidence in the police is less likely to be undermined by this in comparison to the outcomes of the latest corruption investigations into their actions during the miners strike, or at Hillsborough, or other occurrences which are bound to come to light in the passing of time. And if it looks like this is a police bashing post then perhaps it is, for the way they have let society down. In the sixties I have memories of (later Sir) Robert Mark giving a fine speech about how he was going to stamp out corruption in the force. Nearly fifty years on and little has changed, apart from the corruption these days being more about having power and less about taking kickbacks.[/p][/quote]In all that I have been able to read, I have not seen the slightest evidence or suggestion of police corruption; do you have any or is this just a knee-jerk response. In what way have police let society down 99.9% of them are decent human beings trying to do an increasingly difficult job and fed up with political interference. Loughton's complaint seems to revolve around the fact that he was treated in the same way as Mr Konstituent and others and that he was interviewed in a police custody suite like everyone else would have been; if this attempt by the police at being evenhanded can be described as corruption, we live in a very strange world[/p][/quote]I wish he was treated the same way as the police treated me, he got the "deluxe package" which didn't involve home invasion or any violence at all, but this will all come out in good time. Loughton has been adding "gate" as a suffix in order to lend similarity to both cases when in fact you are correct, the police took the most lenient action available to the MP concerned, but he still thought that this was unacceptable, (but definitely not illegal as the story claims). It would be nice to know just how much the original investigation into him cost, (around £2k, I was told), and the cost of the spurious allegations he then made against myself to SP, and the cost of the numerous investigations. Maybe he's simply trying to make the £2k up to the radically overestimated £100k he originally claimed.[/p][/quote]Be carefull this MP has a bee in his pocket,he obviously wants heads to roll but by what I've heard in shoreham pubs last night not one person was on the MP's side so let it be as this MP is doing the damage to himself.[/p][/quote]I think what has really got up his nose, is that I also received an apology from the CC, and the pin issued to me after his numerous complaints were investigated and I was found to have broken no laws, was also revoked. Only three of the other four PINs revoked were issued to Adur councillors, (Parkin, Mendoza and Burns, regarding other incidents, not relating to the MP or his privilege), the other was mine. It is nice to see the tide turning though, I knew what was really happening last March when this kicked off, glad that the rest of the town is finally catching up. Isaac Rinkfern
  • Score: 2

12:19pm Mon 17 Mar 14

clubrob6 says...

If the UPSET MP see's these comments he will probably complain to the Argus for allowing both sides of the story,we all know these days MPs say what the voters want to hear for votes then ignore us when in power that's why we are denied votes on such things as the EU.
If the UPSET MP see's these comments he will probably complain to the Argus for allowing both sides of the story,we all know these days MPs say what the voters want to hear for votes then ignore us when in power that's why we are denied votes on such things as the EU. clubrob6
  • Score: 4

12:32pm Mon 17 Mar 14

cookie_brighton says...

For some reason that Argos know ..they NEVER allow comments on stories about Gypsies............s
o I will comment here.
IF joe public parks illegal on the roads in Brighton and Hove the likelihood is you will have your vehicle towed away and impounded at a cost to yourself to to get it back..............so how is it they do not " impound " vehicles owned by Gypsies ...I will tell you......NO Backbone.......IF they impounded these vehicles the Gypsies would soon stop invading recreation areas, parks etc.
Also... as I pass Gypsy illegally parked vehicles, I notice on top of the caravans ......T.V.Aerials...
..I pressume that they do not have T.V. licences because when I applied for my T.V. Licence I had to have a home address for the TV. licence to be registered to.........also this applies to any motor vehicle they have..........it has to be registered to a home address.....looks like they are getting away with a lot.
For some reason that Argos know ..they NEVER allow comments on stories about Gypsies............s o I will comment here. IF joe public parks illegal on the roads in Brighton and Hove the likelihood is you will have your vehicle towed away and impounded at a cost to yourself to to get it back..............so how is it they do not " impound " vehicles owned by Gypsies ...I will tell you......NO Backbone.......IF they impounded these vehicles the Gypsies would soon stop invading recreation areas, parks etc. Also... as I pass Gypsy illegally parked vehicles, I notice on top of the caravans ......T.V.Aerials... ..I pressume that they do not have T.V. licences because when I applied for my T.V. Licence I had to have a home address for the TV. licence to be registered to.........also this applies to any motor vehicle they have..........it has to be registered to a home address.....looks like they are getting away with a lot. cookie_brighton
  • Score: 0

12:32pm Mon 17 Mar 14

Bluebeef says...

Isaac Rinkfern wrote:
clubrob6 wrote:
Isaac Rinkfern wrote:
Bluebeef wrote:
The Real Phil wrote:
Whilst is it usually good fun to have a pop at an MP, let's not forget that this situation has come about due to the actions of corrupt police officers (in a very similar way to the Pleb-gate affair).
Confidence in the police is less likely to be undermined by this in comparison to the outcomes of the latest corruption investigations into their actions during the miners strike, or at Hillsborough, or other occurrences which are bound to come to light in the passing of time.
And if it looks like this is a police bashing post then perhaps it is, for the way they have let society down.
In the sixties I have memories of (later Sir) Robert Mark giving a fine speech about how he was going to stamp out corruption in the force. Nearly fifty years on and little has changed, apart from the corruption these days being more about having power and less about taking kickbacks.
In all that I have been able to read, I have not seen the slightest evidence or suggestion of police corruption; do you have any or is this just a knee-jerk response.

In what way have police let society down 99.9% of them are decent human beings trying to do an increasingly difficult job and fed up with political interference.

Loughton's complaint seems to revolve around the fact that he was treated in the same way as Mr Konstituent and others and that he was interviewed in a police custody suite like everyone else would have been; if this attempt by the police at being evenhanded can be described as corruption, we live in a very strange world
I wish he was treated the same way as the police treated me, he got the "deluxe package" which didn't involve home invasion or any violence at all, but this will all come out in good time.

Loughton has been adding "gate" as a suffix in order to lend similarity to both cases when in fact you are correct, the police took the most lenient action available to the MP concerned, but he still thought that this was unacceptable, (but definitely not illegal as the story claims).

It would be nice to know just how much the original investigation into him cost, (around £2k, I was told), and the cost of the spurious allegations he then made against myself to SP, and the cost of the numerous investigations.

Maybe he's simply trying to make the £2k up to the radically overestimated £100k he originally claimed.
Be carefull this MP has a bee in his pocket,he obviously wants heads to roll but by what I've heard in shoreham pubs last night not one person was on the MP's side so let it be as this MP is doing the damage to himself.
I think what has really got up his nose, is that I also received an apology from the CC, and the pin issued to me after his numerous complaints were investigated and I was found to have broken no laws, was also revoked.

Only three of the other four PINs revoked were issued to Adur councillors, (Parkin, Mendoza and Burns, regarding other incidents, not relating to the MP or his privilege), the other was mine.

It is nice to see the tide turning though, I knew what was really happening last March when this kicked off, glad that the rest of the town is finally catching up.
You are probably right Mr K: it must really rankle that ordinary(sorry!) people are treated in the same way as his Exaltedness and receive the same withdrawal of PINs and apologies. Perhaps his letter was on better quality writing paper....
[quote][p][bold]Isaac Rinkfern[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Isaac Rinkfern[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bluebeef[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Real Phil[/bold] wrote: Whilst is it usually good fun to have a pop at an MP, let's not forget that this situation has come about due to the actions of corrupt police officers (in a very similar way to the Pleb-gate affair). Confidence in the police is less likely to be undermined by this in comparison to the outcomes of the latest corruption investigations into their actions during the miners strike, or at Hillsborough, or other occurrences which are bound to come to light in the passing of time. And if it looks like this is a police bashing post then perhaps it is, for the way they have let society down. In the sixties I have memories of (later Sir) Robert Mark giving a fine speech about how he was going to stamp out corruption in the force. Nearly fifty years on and little has changed, apart from the corruption these days being more about having power and less about taking kickbacks.[/p][/quote]In all that I have been able to read, I have not seen the slightest evidence or suggestion of police corruption; do you have any or is this just a knee-jerk response. In what way have police let society down 99.9% of them are decent human beings trying to do an increasingly difficult job and fed up with political interference. Loughton's complaint seems to revolve around the fact that he was treated in the same way as Mr Konstituent and others and that he was interviewed in a police custody suite like everyone else would have been; if this attempt by the police at being evenhanded can be described as corruption, we live in a very strange world[/p][/quote]I wish he was treated the same way as the police treated me, he got the "deluxe package" which didn't involve home invasion or any violence at all, but this will all come out in good time. Loughton has been adding "gate" as a suffix in order to lend similarity to both cases when in fact you are correct, the police took the most lenient action available to the MP concerned, but he still thought that this was unacceptable, (but definitely not illegal as the story claims). It would be nice to know just how much the original investigation into him cost, (around £2k, I was told), and the cost of the spurious allegations he then made against myself to SP, and the cost of the numerous investigations. Maybe he's simply trying to make the £2k up to the radically overestimated £100k he originally claimed.[/p][/quote]Be carefull this MP has a bee in his pocket,he obviously wants heads to roll but by what I've heard in shoreham pubs last night not one person was on the MP's side so let it be as this MP is doing the damage to himself.[/p][/quote]I think what has really got up his nose, is that I also received an apology from the CC, and the pin issued to me after his numerous complaints were investigated and I was found to have broken no laws, was also revoked. Only three of the other four PINs revoked were issued to Adur councillors, (Parkin, Mendoza and Burns, regarding other incidents, not relating to the MP or his privilege), the other was mine. It is nice to see the tide turning though, I knew what was really happening last March when this kicked off, glad that the rest of the town is finally catching up.[/p][/quote]You are probably right Mr K: it must really rankle that ordinary(sorry!) people are treated in the same way as his Exaltedness and receive the same withdrawal of PINs and apologies. Perhaps his letter was on better quality writing paper.... Bluebeef
  • Score: 4

12:39pm Mon 17 Mar 14

Bluebeef says...

cookie_brighton wrote:
For some reason that Argos know ..they NEVER allow comments on stories about Gypsies............s

o I will comment here.
IF joe public parks illegal on the roads in Brighton and Hove the likelihood is you will have your vehicle towed away and impounded at a cost to yourself to to get it back..............so how is it they do not " impound " vehicles owned by Gypsies ...I will tell you......NO Backbone.......IF they impounded these vehicles the Gypsies would soon stop invading recreation areas, parks etc.
Also... as I pass Gypsy illegally parked vehicles, I notice on top of the caravans ......T.V.Aerials...

..I pressume that they do not have T.V. licences because when I applied for my T.V. Licence I had to have a home address for the TV. licence to be registered to.........also this applies to any motor vehicle they have..........it has to be registered to a home address.....looks like they are getting away with a lot.
Ah or well there's always someone to raise the tone of debate or is this official Laughton policy?
[quote][p][bold]cookie_brighton[/bold] wrote: For some reason that Argos know ..they NEVER allow comments on stories about Gypsies............s o I will comment here. IF joe public parks illegal on the roads in Brighton and Hove the likelihood is you will have your vehicle towed away and impounded at a cost to yourself to to get it back..............so how is it they do not " impound " vehicles owned by Gypsies ...I will tell you......NO Backbone.......IF they impounded these vehicles the Gypsies would soon stop invading recreation areas, parks etc. Also... as I pass Gypsy illegally parked vehicles, I notice on top of the caravans ......T.V.Aerials... ..I pressume that they do not have T.V. licences because when I applied for my T.V. Licence I had to have a home address for the TV. licence to be registered to.........also this applies to any motor vehicle they have..........it has to be registered to a home address.....looks like they are getting away with a lot.[/p][/quote]Ah or well there's always someone to raise the tone of debate or is this official Laughton policy? Bluebeef
  • Score: 3

12:53pm Mon 17 Mar 14

clubrob6 says...

Isaac Rinkfern wrote:
clubrob6 wrote:
Isaac Rinkfern wrote:
Bluebeef wrote:
The Real Phil wrote:
Whilst is it usually good fun to have a pop at an MP, let's not forget that this situation has come about due to the actions of corrupt police officers (in a very similar way to the Pleb-gate affair).
Confidence in the police is less likely to be undermined by this in comparison to the outcomes of the latest corruption investigations into their actions during the miners strike, or at Hillsborough, or other occurrences which are bound to come to light in the passing of time.
And if it looks like this is a police bashing post then perhaps it is, for the way they have let society down.
In the sixties I have memories of (later Sir) Robert Mark giving a fine speech about how he was going to stamp out corruption in the force. Nearly fifty years on and little has changed, apart from the corruption these days being more about having power and less about taking kickbacks.
In all that I have been able to read, I have not seen the slightest evidence or suggestion of police corruption; do you have any or is this just a knee-jerk response.

In what way have police let society down 99.9% of them are decent human beings trying to do an increasingly difficult job and fed up with political interference.

Loughton's complaint seems to revolve around the fact that he was treated in the same way as Mr Konstituent and others and that he was interviewed in a police custody suite like everyone else would have been; if this attempt by the police at being evenhanded can be described as corruption, we live in a very strange world
I wish he was treated the same way as the police treated me, he got the "deluxe package" which didn't involve home invasion or any violence at all, but this will all come out in good time.

Loughton has been adding "gate" as a suffix in order to lend similarity to both cases when in fact you are correct, the police took the most lenient action available to the MP concerned, but he still thought that this was unacceptable, (but definitely not illegal as the story claims).

It would be nice to know just how much the original investigation into him cost, (around £2k, I was told), and the cost of the spurious allegations he then made against myself to SP, and the cost of the numerous investigations.

Maybe he's simply trying to make the £2k up to the radically overestimated £100k he originally claimed.
Be carefull this MP has a bee in his pocket,he obviously wants heads to roll but by what I've heard in shoreham pubs last night not one person was on the MP's side so let it be as this MP is doing the damage to himself.
I think what has really got up his nose, is that I also received an apology from the CC, and the pin issued to me after his numerous complaints were investigated and I was found to have broken no laws, was also revoked.

Only three of the other four PINs revoked were issued to Adur councillors, (Parkin, Mendoza and Burns, regarding other incidents, not relating to the MP or his privilege), the other was mine.

It is nice to see the tide turning though, I knew what was really happening last March when this kicked off, glad that the rest of the town is finally catching up.
In a town like shoreham the truth spreads like wildfires,if he carries on after receiving apologies from the police he is just going to prove to the general public that MPs think they are above us and the law.Gone are the days we get people going into politics to make a difference.But politics is about to change as the public have realised the three main parties are dictating to them.At the moment this government is threatening sanctions on Russia,but this government and the other main parties are the dictators for denying us a vote on the EU and the uncontrolled immigration issue..This MP Knows he has took things too far but wont give up until he see's someone sacked in the police force.
[quote][p][bold]Isaac Rinkfern[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Isaac Rinkfern[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bluebeef[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Real Phil[/bold] wrote: Whilst is it usually good fun to have a pop at an MP, let's not forget that this situation has come about due to the actions of corrupt police officers (in a very similar way to the Pleb-gate affair). Confidence in the police is less likely to be undermined by this in comparison to the outcomes of the latest corruption investigations into their actions during the miners strike, or at Hillsborough, or other occurrences which are bound to come to light in the passing of time. And if it looks like this is a police bashing post then perhaps it is, for the way they have let society down. In the sixties I have memories of (later Sir) Robert Mark giving a fine speech about how he was going to stamp out corruption in the force. Nearly fifty years on and little has changed, apart from the corruption these days being more about having power and less about taking kickbacks.[/p][/quote]In all that I have been able to read, I have not seen the slightest evidence or suggestion of police corruption; do you have any or is this just a knee-jerk response. In what way have police let society down 99.9% of them are decent human beings trying to do an increasingly difficult job and fed up with political interference. Loughton's complaint seems to revolve around the fact that he was treated in the same way as Mr Konstituent and others and that he was interviewed in a police custody suite like everyone else would have been; if this attempt by the police at being evenhanded can be described as corruption, we live in a very strange world[/p][/quote]I wish he was treated the same way as the police treated me, he got the "deluxe package" which didn't involve home invasion or any violence at all, but this will all come out in good time. Loughton has been adding "gate" as a suffix in order to lend similarity to both cases when in fact you are correct, the police took the most lenient action available to the MP concerned, but he still thought that this was unacceptable, (but definitely not illegal as the story claims). It would be nice to know just how much the original investigation into him cost, (around £2k, I was told), and the cost of the spurious allegations he then made against myself to SP, and the cost of the numerous investigations. Maybe he's simply trying to make the £2k up to the radically overestimated £100k he originally claimed.[/p][/quote]Be carefull this MP has a bee in his pocket,he obviously wants heads to roll but by what I've heard in shoreham pubs last night not one person was on the MP's side so let it be as this MP is doing the damage to himself.[/p][/quote]I think what has really got up his nose, is that I also received an apology from the CC, and the pin issued to me after his numerous complaints were investigated and I was found to have broken no laws, was also revoked. Only three of the other four PINs revoked were issued to Adur councillors, (Parkin, Mendoza and Burns, regarding other incidents, not relating to the MP or his privilege), the other was mine. It is nice to see the tide turning though, I knew what was really happening last March when this kicked off, glad that the rest of the town is finally catching up.[/p][/quote]In a town like shoreham the truth spreads like wildfires,if he carries on after receiving apologies from the police he is just going to prove to the general public that MPs think they are above us and the law.Gone are the days we get people going into politics to make a difference.But politics is about to change as the public have realised the three main parties are dictating to them.At the moment this government is threatening sanctions on Russia,but this government and the other main parties are the dictators for denying us a vote on the EU and the uncontrolled immigration issue..This MP Knows he has took things too far but wont give up until he see's someone sacked in the police force. clubrob6
  • Score: 4

1:32pm Mon 17 Mar 14

JHunty says...

Isaac Rinkfern wrote:
clubrob6 wrote:
Isaac Rinkfern wrote:
Bluebeef wrote:
The Real Phil wrote:
Whilst is it usually good fun to have a pop at an MP, let's not forget that this situation has come about due to the actions of corrupt police officers (in a very similar way to the Pleb-gate affair).
Confidence in the police is less likely to be undermined by this in comparison to the outcomes of the latest corruption investigations into their actions during the miners strike, or at Hillsborough, or other occurrences which are bound to come to light in the passing of time.
And if it looks like this is a police bashing post then perhaps it is, for the way they have let society down.
In the sixties I have memories of (later Sir) Robert Mark giving a fine speech about how he was going to stamp out corruption in the force. Nearly fifty years on and little has changed, apart from the corruption these days being more about having power and less about taking kickbacks.
In all that I have been able to read, I have not seen the slightest evidence or suggestion of police corruption; do you have any or is this just a knee-jerk response.

In what way have police let society down 99.9% of them are decent human beings trying to do an increasingly difficult job and fed up with political interference.

Loughton's complaint seems to revolve around the fact that he was treated in the same way as Mr Konstituent and others and that he was interviewed in a police custody suite like everyone else would have been; if this attempt by the police at being evenhanded can be described as corruption, we live in a very strange world
I wish he was treated the same way as the police treated me, he got the "deluxe package" which didn't involve home invasion or any violence at all, but this will all come out in good time.

Loughton has been adding "gate" as a suffix in order to lend similarity to both cases when in fact you are correct, the police took the most lenient action available to the MP concerned, but he still thought that this was unacceptable, (but definitely not illegal as the story claims).

It would be nice to know just how much the original investigation into him cost, (around £2k, I was told), and the cost of the spurious allegations he then made against myself to SP, and the cost of the numerous investigations.

Maybe he's simply trying to make the £2k up to the radically overestimated £100k he originally claimed.
Be carefull this MP has a bee in his pocket,he obviously wants heads to roll but by what I've heard in shoreham pubs last night not one person was on the MP's side so let it be as this MP is doing the damage to himself.
I think what has really got up his nose, is that I also received an apology from the CC, and the pin issued to me after his numerous complaints were investigated and I was found to have broken no laws, was also revoked.

Only three of the other four PINs revoked were issued to Adur councillors, (Parkin, Mendoza and Burns, regarding other incidents, not relating to the MP or his privilege), the other was mine.

It is nice to see the tide turning though, I knew what was really happening last March when this kicked off, glad that the rest of the town is finally catching up.
You and the sockpuppet accounts that are backing you come across as a bunch of fantasists. So far you have made accusations of perverting the course of justice, claimed you received a sound beating from the police and that you have received death threats, the reality is that despite the police spending a great deal of time investigating the issues between you and the MP not a single one of your accusations has been substantiated.

Let me guess its all a conspiracy, yeah right let me get my tinfoil hat.
[quote][p][bold]Isaac Rinkfern[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Isaac Rinkfern[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bluebeef[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Real Phil[/bold] wrote: Whilst is it usually good fun to have a pop at an MP, let's not forget that this situation has come about due to the actions of corrupt police officers (in a very similar way to the Pleb-gate affair). Confidence in the police is less likely to be undermined by this in comparison to the outcomes of the latest corruption investigations into their actions during the miners strike, or at Hillsborough, or other occurrences which are bound to come to light in the passing of time. And if it looks like this is a police bashing post then perhaps it is, for the way they have let society down. In the sixties I have memories of (later Sir) Robert Mark giving a fine speech about how he was going to stamp out corruption in the force. Nearly fifty years on and little has changed, apart from the corruption these days being more about having power and less about taking kickbacks.[/p][/quote]In all that I have been able to read, I have not seen the slightest evidence or suggestion of police corruption; do you have any or is this just a knee-jerk response. In what way have police let society down 99.9% of them are decent human beings trying to do an increasingly difficult job and fed up with political interference. Loughton's complaint seems to revolve around the fact that he was treated in the same way as Mr Konstituent and others and that he was interviewed in a police custody suite like everyone else would have been; if this attempt by the police at being evenhanded can be described as corruption, we live in a very strange world[/p][/quote]I wish he was treated the same way as the police treated me, he got the "deluxe package" which didn't involve home invasion or any violence at all, but this will all come out in good time. Loughton has been adding "gate" as a suffix in order to lend similarity to both cases when in fact you are correct, the police took the most lenient action available to the MP concerned, but he still thought that this was unacceptable, (but definitely not illegal as the story claims). It would be nice to know just how much the original investigation into him cost, (around £2k, I was told), and the cost of the spurious allegations he then made against myself to SP, and the cost of the numerous investigations. Maybe he's simply trying to make the £2k up to the radically overestimated £100k he originally claimed.[/p][/quote]Be carefull this MP has a bee in his pocket,he obviously wants heads to roll but by what I've heard in shoreham pubs last night not one person was on the MP's side so let it be as this MP is doing the damage to himself.[/p][/quote]I think what has really got up his nose, is that I also received an apology from the CC, and the pin issued to me after his numerous complaints were investigated and I was found to have broken no laws, was also revoked. Only three of the other four PINs revoked were issued to Adur councillors, (Parkin, Mendoza and Burns, regarding other incidents, not relating to the MP or his privilege), the other was mine. It is nice to see the tide turning though, I knew what was really happening last March when this kicked off, glad that the rest of the town is finally catching up.[/p][/quote]You and the sockpuppet accounts that are backing you come across as a bunch of fantasists. So far you have made accusations of perverting the course of justice, claimed you received a sound beating from the police and that you have received death threats, the reality is that despite the police spending a great deal of time investigating the issues between you and the MP not a single one of your accusations has been substantiated. Let me guess its all a conspiracy, yeah right let me get my tinfoil hat. JHunty
  • Score: -2

1:48pm Mon 17 Mar 14

Isaac Rinkfern says...

JHunty wrote:
Isaac Rinkfern wrote:
clubrob6 wrote:
Isaac Rinkfern wrote:
Bluebeef wrote:
The Real Phil wrote:
Whilst is it usually good fun to have a pop at an MP, let's not forget that this situation has come about due to the actions of corrupt police officers (in a very similar way to the Pleb-gate affair).
Confidence in the police is less likely to be undermined by this in comparison to the outcomes of the latest corruption investigations into their actions during the miners strike, or at Hillsborough, or other occurrences which are bound to come to light in the passing of time.
And if it looks like this is a police bashing post then perhaps it is, for the way they have let society down.
In the sixties I have memories of (later Sir) Robert Mark giving a fine speech about how he was going to stamp out corruption in the force. Nearly fifty years on and little has changed, apart from the corruption these days being more about having power and less about taking kickbacks.
In all that I have been able to read, I have not seen the slightest evidence or suggestion of police corruption; do you have any or is this just a knee-jerk response.

In what way have police let society down 99.9% of them are decent human beings trying to do an increasingly difficult job and fed up with political interference.

Loughton's complaint seems to revolve around the fact that he was treated in the same way as Mr Konstituent and others and that he was interviewed in a police custody suite like everyone else would have been; if this attempt by the police at being evenhanded can be described as corruption, we live in a very strange world
I wish he was treated the same way as the police treated me, he got the "deluxe package" which didn't involve home invasion or any violence at all, but this will all come out in good time.

Loughton has been adding "gate" as a suffix in order to lend similarity to both cases when in fact you are correct, the police took the most lenient action available to the MP concerned, but he still thought that this was unacceptable, (but definitely not illegal as the story claims).

It would be nice to know just how much the original investigation into him cost, (around £2k, I was told), and the cost of the spurious allegations he then made against myself to SP, and the cost of the numerous investigations.

Maybe he's simply trying to make the £2k up to the radically overestimated £100k he originally claimed.
Be carefull this MP has a bee in his pocket,he obviously wants heads to roll but by what I've heard in shoreham pubs last night not one person was on the MP's side so let it be as this MP is doing the damage to himself.
I think what has really got up his nose, is that I also received an apology from the CC, and the pin issued to me after his numerous complaints were investigated and I was found to have broken no laws, was also revoked.

Only three of the other four PINs revoked were issued to Adur councillors, (Parkin, Mendoza and Burns, regarding other incidents, not relating to the MP or his privilege), the other was mine.

It is nice to see the tide turning though, I knew what was really happening last March when this kicked off, glad that the rest of the town is finally catching up.
You and the sockpuppet accounts that are backing you come across as a bunch of fantasists. So far you have made accusations of perverting the course of justice, claimed you received a sound beating from the police and that you have received death threats, the reality is that despite the police spending a great deal of time investigating the issues between you and the MP not a single one of your accusations has been substantiated.

Let me guess its all a conspiracy, yeah right let me get my tinfoil hat.
I only made one allegation regarding loughton, which was investigated under the malicious communications act, as any other complaint would be.

There was a supplemental investigation into the numerous pieces of mail sent to my home by Loughton and his supporters, not simply a copy of some posh minutes.

Loughton however made dozens of allegations against myself, all unfounded, all frivolous and all vexatious. I was jumped in my hallway by half a dozen local rozzers acting on the allegations which have since been proved to be complete nonsense, which resulted in my hospitalisation, my home was ransacked and nothing illegal was found, so eventually I was cleared of any wrongdoing.

You clearly know nothing about anything of value and clearly the conspiracy is the creation of this dodgy MP, after all, he asked a Parliamentary committee to sort it out, they told the police to revoke the PIN and apologise, they did this, and yet Loughton is still seeking column inches in his crusade to........ well nobody seems to be clear what the end result should be.

You clearly think that you are some kind of expert on this matter, when in reality you know nothing, and understand even less.
[quote][p][bold]JHunty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Isaac Rinkfern[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Isaac Rinkfern[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bluebeef[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Real Phil[/bold] wrote: Whilst is it usually good fun to have a pop at an MP, let's not forget that this situation has come about due to the actions of corrupt police officers (in a very similar way to the Pleb-gate affair). Confidence in the police is less likely to be undermined by this in comparison to the outcomes of the latest corruption investigations into their actions during the miners strike, or at Hillsborough, or other occurrences which are bound to come to light in the passing of time. And if it looks like this is a police bashing post then perhaps it is, for the way they have let society down. In the sixties I have memories of (later Sir) Robert Mark giving a fine speech about how he was going to stamp out corruption in the force. Nearly fifty years on and little has changed, apart from the corruption these days being more about having power and less about taking kickbacks.[/p][/quote]In all that I have been able to read, I have not seen the slightest evidence or suggestion of police corruption; do you have any or is this just a knee-jerk response. In what way have police let society down 99.9% of them are decent human beings trying to do an increasingly difficult job and fed up with political interference. Loughton's complaint seems to revolve around the fact that he was treated in the same way as Mr Konstituent and others and that he was interviewed in a police custody suite like everyone else would have been; if this attempt by the police at being evenhanded can be described as corruption, we live in a very strange world[/p][/quote]I wish he was treated the same way as the police treated me, he got the "deluxe package" which didn't involve home invasion or any violence at all, but this will all come out in good time. Loughton has been adding "gate" as a suffix in order to lend similarity to both cases when in fact you are correct, the police took the most lenient action available to the MP concerned, but he still thought that this was unacceptable, (but definitely not illegal as the story claims). It would be nice to know just how much the original investigation into him cost, (around £2k, I was told), and the cost of the spurious allegations he then made against myself to SP, and the cost of the numerous investigations. Maybe he's simply trying to make the £2k up to the radically overestimated £100k he originally claimed.[/p][/quote]Be carefull this MP has a bee in his pocket,he obviously wants heads to roll but by what I've heard in shoreham pubs last night not one person was on the MP's side so let it be as this MP is doing the damage to himself.[/p][/quote]I think what has really got up his nose, is that I also received an apology from the CC, and the pin issued to me after his numerous complaints were investigated and I was found to have broken no laws, was also revoked. Only three of the other four PINs revoked were issued to Adur councillors, (Parkin, Mendoza and Burns, regarding other incidents, not relating to the MP or his privilege), the other was mine. It is nice to see the tide turning though, I knew what was really happening last March when this kicked off, glad that the rest of the town is finally catching up.[/p][/quote]You and the sockpuppet accounts that are backing you come across as a bunch of fantasists. So far you have made accusations of perverting the course of justice, claimed you received a sound beating from the police and that you have received death threats, the reality is that despite the police spending a great deal of time investigating the issues between you and the MP not a single one of your accusations has been substantiated. Let me guess its all a conspiracy, yeah right let me get my tinfoil hat.[/p][/quote]I only made one allegation regarding loughton, which was investigated under the malicious communications act, as any other complaint would be. There was a supplemental investigation into the numerous pieces of mail sent to my home by Loughton and his supporters, not simply a copy of some posh minutes. Loughton however made dozens of allegations against myself, all unfounded, all frivolous and all vexatious. I was jumped in my hallway by half a dozen local rozzers acting on the allegations which have since been proved to be complete nonsense, which resulted in my hospitalisation, my home was ransacked and nothing illegal was found, so eventually I was cleared of any wrongdoing. You clearly know nothing about anything of value and clearly the conspiracy is the creation of this dodgy MP, after all, he asked a Parliamentary committee to sort it out, they told the police to revoke the PIN and apologise, they did this, and yet Loughton is still seeking column inches in his crusade to........ well nobody seems to be clear what the end result should be. You clearly think that you are some kind of expert on this matter, when in reality you know nothing, and understand even less. Isaac Rinkfern
  • Score: 2

2:01pm Mon 17 Mar 14

Bluebeef says...

JHunty wrote:
Isaac Rinkfern wrote:
clubrob6 wrote:
Isaac Rinkfern wrote:
Bluebeef wrote:
The Real Phil wrote:
Whilst is it usually good fun to have a pop at an MP, let's not forget that this situation has come about due to the actions of corrupt police officers (in a very similar way to the Pleb-gate affair).
Confidence in the police is less likely to be undermined by this in comparison to the outcomes of the latest corruption investigations into their actions during the miners strike, or at Hillsborough, or other occurrences which are bound to come to light in the passing of time.
And if it looks like this is a police bashing post then perhaps it is, for the way they have let society down.
In the sixties I have memories of (later Sir) Robert Mark giving a fine speech about how he was going to stamp out corruption in the force. Nearly fifty years on and little has changed, apart from the corruption these days being more about having power and less about taking kickbacks.
In all that I have been able to read, I have not seen the slightest evidence or suggestion of police corruption; do you have any or is this just a knee-jerk response.

In what way have police let society down 99.9% of them are decent human beings trying to do an increasingly difficult job and fed up with political interference.

Loughton's complaint seems to revolve around the fact that he was treated in the same way as Mr Konstituent and others and that he was interviewed in a police custody suite like everyone else would have been; if this attempt by the police at being evenhanded can be described as corruption, we live in a very strange world
I wish he was treated the same way as the police treated me, he got the "deluxe package" which didn't involve home invasion or any violence at all, but this will all come out in good time.

Loughton has been adding "gate" as a suffix in order to lend similarity to both cases when in fact you are correct, the police took the most lenient action available to the MP concerned, but he still thought that this was unacceptable, (but definitely not illegal as the story claims).

It would be nice to know just how much the original investigation into him cost, (around £2k, I was told), and the cost of the spurious allegations he then made against myself to SP, and the cost of the numerous investigations.

Maybe he's simply trying to make the £2k up to the radically overestimated £100k he originally claimed.
Be carefull this MP has a bee in his pocket,he obviously wants heads to roll but by what I've heard in shoreham pubs last night not one person was on the MP's side so let it be as this MP is doing the damage to himself.
I think what has really got up his nose, is that I also received an apology from the CC, and the pin issued to me after his numerous complaints were investigated and I was found to have broken no laws, was also revoked.

Only three of the other four PINs revoked were issued to Adur councillors, (Parkin, Mendoza and Burns, regarding other incidents, not relating to the MP or his privilege), the other was mine.

It is nice to see the tide turning though, I knew what was really happening last March when this kicked off, glad that the rest of the town is finally catching up.
You and the sockpuppet accounts that are backing you come across as a bunch of fantasists. So far you have made accusations of perverting the course of justice, claimed you received a sound beating from the police and that you have received death threats, the reality is that despite the police spending a great deal of time investigating the issues between you and the MP not a single one of your accusations has been substantiated.

Let me guess its all a conspiracy, yeah right let me get my tinfoil hat.
What is a sockpuppet account please: I need to know to see whether I am one.
[quote][p][bold]JHunty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Isaac Rinkfern[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Isaac Rinkfern[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bluebeef[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Real Phil[/bold] wrote: Whilst is it usually good fun to have a pop at an MP, let's not forget that this situation has come about due to the actions of corrupt police officers (in a very similar way to the Pleb-gate affair). Confidence in the police is less likely to be undermined by this in comparison to the outcomes of the latest corruption investigations into their actions during the miners strike, or at Hillsborough, or other occurrences which are bound to come to light in the passing of time. And if it looks like this is a police bashing post then perhaps it is, for the way they have let society down. In the sixties I have memories of (later Sir) Robert Mark giving a fine speech about how he was going to stamp out corruption in the force. Nearly fifty years on and little has changed, apart from the corruption these days being more about having power and less about taking kickbacks.[/p][/quote]In all that I have been able to read, I have not seen the slightest evidence or suggestion of police corruption; do you have any or is this just a knee-jerk response. In what way have police let society down 99.9% of them are decent human beings trying to do an increasingly difficult job and fed up with political interference. Loughton's complaint seems to revolve around the fact that he was treated in the same way as Mr Konstituent and others and that he was interviewed in a police custody suite like everyone else would have been; if this attempt by the police at being evenhanded can be described as corruption, we live in a very strange world[/p][/quote]I wish he was treated the same way as the police treated me, he got the "deluxe package" which didn't involve home invasion or any violence at all, but this will all come out in good time. Loughton has been adding "gate" as a suffix in order to lend similarity to both cases when in fact you are correct, the police took the most lenient action available to the MP concerned, but he still thought that this was unacceptable, (but definitely not illegal as the story claims). It would be nice to know just how much the original investigation into him cost, (around £2k, I was told), and the cost of the spurious allegations he then made against myself to SP, and the cost of the numerous investigations. Maybe he's simply trying to make the £2k up to the radically overestimated £100k he originally claimed.[/p][/quote]Be carefull this MP has a bee in his pocket,he obviously wants heads to roll but by what I've heard in shoreham pubs last night not one person was on the MP's side so let it be as this MP is doing the damage to himself.[/p][/quote]I think what has really got up his nose, is that I also received an apology from the CC, and the pin issued to me after his numerous complaints were investigated and I was found to have broken no laws, was also revoked. Only three of the other four PINs revoked were issued to Adur councillors, (Parkin, Mendoza and Burns, regarding other incidents, not relating to the MP or his privilege), the other was mine. It is nice to see the tide turning though, I knew what was really happening last March when this kicked off, glad that the rest of the town is finally catching up.[/p][/quote]You and the sockpuppet accounts that are backing you come across as a bunch of fantasists. So far you have made accusations of perverting the course of justice, claimed you received a sound beating from the police and that you have received death threats, the reality is that despite the police spending a great deal of time investigating the issues between you and the MP not a single one of your accusations has been substantiated. Let me guess its all a conspiracy, yeah right let me get my tinfoil hat.[/p][/quote]What is a sockpuppet account please: I need to know to see whether I am one. Bluebeef
  • Score: 0

3:13pm Mon 17 Mar 14

peachesncream says...

To find out more about this item search on google for: tim loughton house of commons hansard debates 13 Mar 2013. The debate is listed quite a long way down the document, starting at 7.13 p.m.

Hope this helps anyone interested.
To find out more about this item search on google for: tim loughton house of commons hansard debates 13 Mar 2013. The debate is listed quite a long way down the document, starting at 7.13 p.m. Hope this helps anyone interested. peachesncream
  • Score: 1

3:15pm Mon 17 Mar 14

clubrob6 says...

Isaac Rinkfern wrote:
JHunty wrote:
Isaac Rinkfern wrote:
clubrob6 wrote:
Isaac Rinkfern wrote:
Bluebeef wrote:
The Real Phil wrote:
Whilst is it usually good fun to have a pop at an MP, let's not forget that this situation has come about due to the actions of corrupt police officers (in a very similar way to the Pleb-gate affair).
Confidence in the police is less likely to be undermined by this in comparison to the outcomes of the latest corruption investigations into their actions during the miners strike, or at Hillsborough, or other occurrences which are bound to come to light in the passing of time.
And if it looks like this is a police bashing post then perhaps it is, for the way they have let society down.
In the sixties I have memories of (later Sir) Robert Mark giving a fine speech about how he was going to stamp out corruption in the force. Nearly fifty years on and little has changed, apart from the corruption these days being more about having power and less about taking kickbacks.
In all that I have been able to read, I have not seen the slightest evidence or suggestion of police corruption; do you have any or is this just a knee-jerk response.

In what way have police let society down 99.9% of them are decent human beings trying to do an increasingly difficult job and fed up with political interference.

Loughton's complaint seems to revolve around the fact that he was treated in the same way as Mr Konstituent and others and that he was interviewed in a police custody suite like everyone else would have been; if this attempt by the police at being evenhanded can be described as corruption, we live in a very strange world
I wish he was treated the same way as the police treated me, he got the "deluxe package" which didn't involve home invasion or any violence at all, but this will all come out in good time.

Loughton has been adding "gate" as a suffix in order to lend similarity to both cases when in fact you are correct, the police took the most lenient action available to the MP concerned, but he still thought that this was unacceptable, (but definitely not illegal as the story claims).

It would be nice to know just how much the original investigation into him cost, (around £2k, I was told), and the cost of the spurious allegations he then made against myself to SP, and the cost of the numerous investigations.

Maybe he's simply trying to make the £2k up to the radically overestimated £100k he originally claimed.
Be carefull this MP has a bee in his pocket,he obviously wants heads to roll but by what I've heard in shoreham pubs last night not one person was on the MP's side so let it be as this MP is doing the damage to himself.
I think what has really got up his nose, is that I also received an apology from the CC, and the pin issued to me after his numerous complaints were investigated and I was found to have broken no laws, was also revoked.

Only three of the other four PINs revoked were issued to Adur councillors, (Parkin, Mendoza and Burns, regarding other incidents, not relating to the MP or his privilege), the other was mine.

It is nice to see the tide turning though, I knew what was really happening last March when this kicked off, glad that the rest of the town is finally catching up.
You and the sockpuppet accounts that are backing you come across as a bunch of fantasists. So far you have made accusations of perverting the course of justice, claimed you received a sound beating from the police and that you have received death threats, the reality is that despite the police spending a great deal of time investigating the issues between you and the MP not a single one of your accusations has been substantiated.

Let me guess its all a conspiracy, yeah right let me get my tinfoil hat.
I only made one allegation regarding loughton, which was investigated under the malicious communications act, as any other complaint would be.

There was a supplemental investigation into the numerous pieces of mail sent to my home by Loughton and his supporters, not simply a copy of some posh minutes.

Loughton however made dozens of allegations against myself, all unfounded, all frivolous and all vexatious. I was jumped in my hallway by half a dozen local rozzers acting on the allegations which have since been proved to be complete nonsense, which resulted in my hospitalisation, my home was ransacked and nothing illegal was found, so eventually I was cleared of any wrongdoing.

You clearly know nothing about anything of value and clearly the conspiracy is the creation of this dodgy MP, after all, he asked a Parliamentary committee to sort it out, they told the police to revoke the PIN and apologise, they did this, and yet Loughton is still seeking column inches in his crusade to........ well nobody seems to be clear what the end result should be.

You clearly think that you are some kind of expert on this matter, when in reality you know nothing, and understand even less.
Stop stating the obvious everyone knows to be a MP these days you have got to be dodgy,why else for example would they accept 11% pay rise while we are all facing real term cuts in wages.You don't have to keep defending yourself as the actions of this MP since the bother you had with him shows he was the cause of the troubles.
[quote][p][bold]Isaac Rinkfern[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JHunty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Isaac Rinkfern[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Isaac Rinkfern[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bluebeef[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Real Phil[/bold] wrote: Whilst is it usually good fun to have a pop at an MP, let's not forget that this situation has come about due to the actions of corrupt police officers (in a very similar way to the Pleb-gate affair). Confidence in the police is less likely to be undermined by this in comparison to the outcomes of the latest corruption investigations into their actions during the miners strike, or at Hillsborough, or other occurrences which are bound to come to light in the passing of time. And if it looks like this is a police bashing post then perhaps it is, for the way they have let society down. In the sixties I have memories of (later Sir) Robert Mark giving a fine speech about how he was going to stamp out corruption in the force. Nearly fifty years on and little has changed, apart from the corruption these days being more about having power and less about taking kickbacks.[/p][/quote]In all that I have been able to read, I have not seen the slightest evidence or suggestion of police corruption; do you have any or is this just a knee-jerk response. In what way have police let society down 99.9% of them are decent human beings trying to do an increasingly difficult job and fed up with political interference. Loughton's complaint seems to revolve around the fact that he was treated in the same way as Mr Konstituent and others and that he was interviewed in a police custody suite like everyone else would have been; if this attempt by the police at being evenhanded can be described as corruption, we live in a very strange world[/p][/quote]I wish he was treated the same way as the police treated me, he got the "deluxe package" which didn't involve home invasion or any violence at all, but this will all come out in good time. Loughton has been adding "gate" as a suffix in order to lend similarity to both cases when in fact you are correct, the police took the most lenient action available to the MP concerned, but he still thought that this was unacceptable, (but definitely not illegal as the story claims). It would be nice to know just how much the original investigation into him cost, (around £2k, I was told), and the cost of the spurious allegations he then made against myself to SP, and the cost of the numerous investigations. Maybe he's simply trying to make the £2k up to the radically overestimated £100k he originally claimed.[/p][/quote]Be carefull this MP has a bee in his pocket,he obviously wants heads to roll but by what I've heard in shoreham pubs last night not one person was on the MP's side so let it be as this MP is doing the damage to himself.[/p][/quote]I think what has really got up his nose, is that I also received an apology from the CC, and the pin issued to me after his numerous complaints were investigated and I was found to have broken no laws, was also revoked. Only three of the other four PINs revoked were issued to Adur councillors, (Parkin, Mendoza and Burns, regarding other incidents, not relating to the MP or his privilege), the other was mine. It is nice to see the tide turning though, I knew what was really happening last March when this kicked off, glad that the rest of the town is finally catching up.[/p][/quote]You and the sockpuppet accounts that are backing you come across as a bunch of fantasists. So far you have made accusations of perverting the course of justice, claimed you received a sound beating from the police and that you have received death threats, the reality is that despite the police spending a great deal of time investigating the issues between you and the MP not a single one of your accusations has been substantiated. Let me guess its all a conspiracy, yeah right let me get my tinfoil hat.[/p][/quote]I only made one allegation regarding loughton, which was investigated under the malicious communications act, as any other complaint would be. There was a supplemental investigation into the numerous pieces of mail sent to my home by Loughton and his supporters, not simply a copy of some posh minutes. Loughton however made dozens of allegations against myself, all unfounded, all frivolous and all vexatious. I was jumped in my hallway by half a dozen local rozzers acting on the allegations which have since been proved to be complete nonsense, which resulted in my hospitalisation, my home was ransacked and nothing illegal was found, so eventually I was cleared of any wrongdoing. You clearly know nothing about anything of value and clearly the conspiracy is the creation of this dodgy MP, after all, he asked a Parliamentary committee to sort it out, they told the police to revoke the PIN and apologise, they did this, and yet Loughton is still seeking column inches in his crusade to........ well nobody seems to be clear what the end result should be. You clearly think that you are some kind of expert on this matter, when in reality you know nothing, and understand even less.[/p][/quote]Stop stating the obvious everyone knows to be a MP these days you have got to be dodgy,why else for example would they accept 11% pay rise while we are all facing real term cuts in wages.You don't have to keep defending yourself as the actions of this MP since the bother you had with him shows he was the cause of the troubles. clubrob6
  • Score: 2

3:35pm Mon 17 Mar 14

Isaac Rinkfern says...

peachesncream wrote:
To find out more about this item search on google for: tim loughton house of commons hansard debates 13 Mar 2013. The debate is listed quite a long way down the document, starting at 7.13 p.m.

Hope this helps anyone interested.
This will merely give you an account made under privilege, which this MP is very keen to protect.

I can provide documented proof that would convince any court, that 95% of the allegations made in this speech are nonsense. Sadly, due to this privilege, I have no right to present this evidence in a court, and until this MP grows a pair and makes the same statements in a situation where he is legally culpable under libel laws, I have to defend myself in other ways.

You should realise, that just because something is written on posh headed paper, it doesn't make it the truth. Hansard is nothing more than posh meeting minutes, and it isn't able to be challenged for factual content, which is a real shame.

At least some people are gradually starting to see through the propaganda pantomime created over the last year by this MP, the truth will out eventually, and as I have done no wrong, I fear nothing.

Cheers to the open minded folks who can see that the truth is actually there in black and white, your belief is much appreciated after a year of fighting this alone.
[quote][p][bold]peachesncream[/bold] wrote: To find out more about this item search on google for: tim loughton house of commons hansard debates 13 Mar 2013. The debate is listed quite a long way down the document, starting at 7.13 p.m. Hope this helps anyone interested.[/p][/quote]This will merely give you an account made under privilege, which this MP is very keen to protect. I can provide documented proof that would convince any court, that 95% of the allegations made in this speech are nonsense. Sadly, due to this privilege, I have no right to present this evidence in a court, and until this MP grows a pair and makes the same statements in a situation where he is legally culpable under libel laws, I have to defend myself in other ways. You should realise, that just because something is written on posh headed paper, it doesn't make it the truth. Hansard is nothing more than posh meeting minutes, and it isn't able to be challenged for factual content, which is a real shame. At least some people are gradually starting to see through the propaganda pantomime created over the last year by this MP, the truth will out eventually, and as I have done no wrong, I fear nothing. Cheers to the open minded folks who can see that the truth is actually there in black and white, your belief is much appreciated after a year of fighting this alone. Isaac Rinkfern
  • Score: 1

6:51pm Mon 17 Mar 14

burgers1 says...

Playground squabble!
Playground squabble! burgers1
  • Score: 0

11:18pm Mon 17 Mar 14

getThisCoalitionOut says...

This MP should be sacked.

He is a disgrace to his profession but that can be said about most Tories.
This MP should be sacked. He is a disgrace to his profession but that can be said about most Tories. getThisCoalitionOut
  • Score: 0

9:07am Tue 18 Mar 14

Bluebeef says...

getThisCoalitionOut wrote:
This MP should be sacked.

He is a disgrace to his profession but that can be said about most Tories.
And of course all Lib Dems and Labour MPs (and greens) are whiter than white charmers whose only interests are those of their constituents. This kind of blanket generalisation is just so childish and pointless.
[quote][p][bold]getThisCoalitionOut[/bold] wrote: This MP should be sacked. He is a disgrace to his profession but that can be said about most Tories.[/p][/quote]And of course all Lib Dems and Labour MPs (and greens) are whiter than white charmers whose only interests are those of their constituents. This kind of blanket generalisation is just so childish and pointless. Bluebeef
  • Score: 2

9:08am Tue 18 Mar 14

Bluebeef says...

Bluebeef wrote:
getThisCoalitionOut wrote:
This MP should be sacked.

He is a disgrace to his profession but that can be said about most Tories.
And of course all Lib Dems and Labour MPs (and greens) are whiter than white charmers whose only interests are those of their constituents. This kind of blanket generalisation is just so childish and pointless.
Sorry Green.
[quote][p][bold]Bluebeef[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]getThisCoalitionOut[/bold] wrote: This MP should be sacked. He is a disgrace to his profession but that can be said about most Tories.[/p][/quote]And of course all Lib Dems and Labour MPs (and greens) are whiter than white charmers whose only interests are those of their constituents. This kind of blanket generalisation is just so childish and pointless.[/p][/quote]Sorry Green. Bluebeef
  • Score: 0

4:03pm Tue 18 Mar 14

clubrob6 says...

getThisCoalitionOut wrote:
This MP should be sacked.

He is a disgrace to his profession but that can be said about most Tories.
I think he has already sacked himself by acting like a spoilt child that did not get his own way.
[quote][p][bold]getThisCoalitionOut[/bold] wrote: This MP should be sacked. He is a disgrace to his profession but that can be said about most Tories.[/p][/quote]I think he has already sacked himself by acting like a spoilt child that did not get his own way. clubrob6
  • Score: 2

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