Violent clashes as March for England returns to Brighton

Violent clashes as March for England returns to Brighton

Violent clashes as March for England returns to Brighton

Violent clashes as March for England returns to Brighton

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There were violent clashes yesterday as the March for England was held on Brighton seafront.

One of the largest police operations Brighton and Hove has ever seen was assembled to separate 150 nationalists from 1,000-plus anti-fascists.

While the main seafront march took place without incident, there were running battles as splinter groups from each side split from the main pack and into surrounding roads.

One such flashpoint saw opposing sides clash outside The Dorset pub on the corner of Gardner Street and North Road. Tables, chairs and bottles were thrown and punches exchanged as police were caught off-guard.

In total there were 27 arrests, ranging from assault causing actual bodily harm to possession of an offensive weapon.

The annual march saw hundreds of offices from forces including Devon and Cornwall, Surrey, Metropolitan, Hampshire, Thames Valley, Kent, Dorset and the City of London.

A sizable police presence was in and around Brighton station from early morning with the nationalists expected to filter through in small groups.

It was 10am before the first splash of red and white was spotted in the grand Victorian station and police searched hundreds of people.

Chants of “England, England, England” echoed around the streets as the nationalists made their way down to the Bright Helm Pub, in West Street, for pre-march drinks.

One group, who refused to give their names, denied they were racist and instead said they were “patriots”.

They said: “We don’t want trouble, we don’t come here for trouble, we are just proud of being English.

“If the ‘anti’ protesters didn’t come along then there wouldn’t be any trouble.

But every year they do, and every year there is violence.”

Anti-fascist groups caught wind of their movements and made their way to the Weatherspoons pub, which police had surrounded with officers and horses.

Both sides exchanged chants, with “Nazi scum off our streets” and “No surrender to the Taliban” among the most used.

With police looking to move protesters down to the agreed start of the march on the seafront, horses were sent in to clear the anti-fascists.

The nationalists were escorted to the seafront to start their march.

Then alongside the south side of Kings Road, behind officers and barricades, between 600 and 900 anti-fascists remained.

Among them was Brighton Pavilion MP, Caroline Lucas, and other members of the Green Party.

She said: “I am proud that the residents of Brighton have come out to defend the values for which the city has become well known: tolerance, diversity and equality.

“The people of Brighton have come out to show that the march is not welcome.”

Brighton Kemptown MP, Simon Kirby, was also on the seafront.

He added: “Looking forward, I would like it not to happen again and if it does, to happen elsewhere. I am worried about the cost to the police, the cost to local businesses, and most of all the damage to the reputation of Brighton and Hove.”

One group who wanted to get a message of a different kind across were the English Disco Lovers.

The Brighton-based performers, who share their initials EDL with far-right group the English Defence League, jived and danced along the promenade as the nationalists marched.

Alex Jones, 22, an art student and founder of the English Disco Lovers, said: “The marchers come here because it’s provocative. Brighton is a loving society – why not have a loving form of protest?

“I hope today is peaceful. I formed English Disco Lovers because I come from a background of nonviolent protest. You don’t fight hate with hate, you fight it with love.”

The nationalists made their way by the Royal Albion Hotel before turning back and were jeered and booed.

Chants of “Nazi scum, off our streets” and “Follow your leader – shoot yourself like Adolf Hitler” were responded to with “I’m English till I die” and “Have a wash” to the tune of the football chant “Here we go”.

While last year the nationalists were bussed in and out from the march start point, this time police were tasked with escorting them back to the station.

More than 200 officers, supported by horses and dogs, took the main group back up West Street and along Queen’s Road. But other than verbal abuse, well organised police lines kept the two sides apart.

The same could not be said for the surrounding streets where splinter groups were involved in trouble.

Half a dozen nationalists were drinking in The Dorset on the corner of Gardner Street and North Road, when they were spotted by balaclava-clad antis.

Mila Brazzi, 21, who was shopping with her friend Alice Johnson, 25, said: “There were five or six of them drinking at the pub. A group of people in black clothes who I assume were anti protesters came along.

“There was a bit of a standoff and then they started shouting and throwing chairs, tables and pint glasses at each other.

“There were families just metres away. There was glass flying everywhere, it was reckless and incredibly dangerous, I ended up hiding behind a bin.”

Miss Brazzi decided to film the incident, with the footage now on The Argus website. She said: “It was incredibly scary, I was shaking.”

With the bar staff and those from the adjacent Infinity Foods clearing up the mess, another fight broke out on nearby Frederick Street.

An isolated nationalist was kicked to the floor by two antis before police pounced. One was led away in handcuffs while the nationalist was left clinging to the curb, dazed, confused and bleeding from the ear.

Further scuffles were reported throughout the city, with splinter groups coming together on Middle Street. Shopper Kayleigh Adams, who witnessed the fight, said: “It was really scary for someone who hasn’t been to a protest like this before. There was a group of about twenty of the counter protesters all dressed in black.

They just went for them and they had a go back .”

Meanwhile back on Queen’s Road, after more than an hour of regrouping and kettling the nationalists, officers began to escort them to the station.

Officers with riot gear blocked off adjoining roads in an attempt to separate the groups with snarling dogs and horses playing their part.

The two sides exchanged their parting messages as the nationalists were loaded onto trains shortly after 3pm.

A Sussex Police spokeswoman said an investigation had been launched after a female police liaison officer was knocked to the ground by protesters.

Reports suggest she was knocked to the pavement and had items thrown at her. She is believed to have been separated from a colleague when she was set upon.

It is thought anti-fascist protesters were involved.

Despite the outbreaks of violence police bosses said the day passed “without any major incident”.

Supintendent Steve Whitton, who was in charge of the operation, said he was “satisfied” with how it was policed.

He said: “This was a significant policing operation, but I am satisfied that the results show that it was proportionate and appropriate in keeping the city relatively peaceful and free from serious disorder.

“While there have been a few incidents around the city these were swiftly dealt with. There were a few minor injuries, and one person who was arrested was treated at hospital.”

BUSINESS OWNERS' FURY AT SEAFRONT ROUTE 

Business owners have spoken of their anger at the march being allowed to be held along the busy seafront.

It is the second year the event has been staged along Kings Road – which would usually be packed with day-trippers and locals.

Nadia Barroso, 25, manager of both Fish 'n' Chips and King of Rock, said: "For me it's very scary because the reason they are marching is people like me.

“But we pay taxes, we work. I don't claim benefits, I am only here to work because I can't do it in my own country."

Andrew Mifsud, a restaurant manager in Kings Road, said he would lose a day’s trade as a result of the march.

He said: "We are not allowed to open because we're not allowed to put out tables and chairs.

“Even the bins have been taken away.

By the time it's finished it's three or four o'clock and the day is over."

Jarvis Cash, 35, who owns a seafront hotel, questioned why nationalists had to hold the event in Brighton.

He said: “Obviously I’m very much against anything like the March for England. I respect their right to protest - it’s the massive cost to the city that really winds me up. Why here? They know what kind of reception they’re going to get. It just seems pointless.”

Matt Palmer, 21, who works in a seafront cafe on the route of the march, described the nationalists decision to come to Brighton as “bold”.

He added: “They are literally coming to the most liberal place in the country.

“Local businesses and the local economy thrive off workers from all different countries and of all different ethnicities.

“I moved down from the Midlands just to join such a diverse community.

ARRESTS ROUND-UP

Twenty seven people from as far away as Halifax were arrested for offences ranging from assault to possessing offensive weapons.

The youngest arrested was a 16-yearold boy from Brighton for not removing his balaclava or face mask – breaching a police order.

The oldest was a 49-year-old from Littlehampton for actual bodily harm (ABH).

Among those arrested was a 39-yearold man from Halifax, a 28-year-old man from Bristol, a 44-year-old woman from Hastings, a 28-year-old man from Tonbridge, a 45-year-old man from Portsmouth, a 21-year-old man from Sittingbourne, a 41-year-old man from Brighton and a 23-year-old man from Bodmin, Cornwall, all arrested for affray.

A 49-year-old man from Littlehampton and 22-year-old man of no fixed address were arrested for using threatening, abusive, insulting words or behaviour with intent to cause fear or provoke unlawful violence while a 33-year-old man, of no fixed address, was arrested for possessing an offensive weapon.

A 21-year-old man from Portsmouth, a 39-year-old man from Fareham, Hampshire, and a 37-year-old man from Hove were arrested for being drunk and disorderly.

Meanwhile a 32-year-old man, 27- year-old woman and a 22-year-old man, all from London, were arrested for common assault, violent disorder and for failing to give an officer their name and address after acting in an anti-social manner.

A 25-year-old man from Hove was arrested for a breach of section 14 – which was put in place to dictate where protesters were supposed to gather.

When The Argus went to press one woman was still in custody for failing to remove a balaclava and a man for obstructing an officer. Both were refusing to give their details.

One other person was arrested for a drug related offence and four others for public order offences.

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8:21am Mon 28 Apr 14

Terry K says...

Well done march for England, it's funny how lefty liberals say nothing about the annual crimesfest that is the Notting hill carnival, celebrating not British but Caribbean culture and costing taxpayers around £4 million pound in policing bills, and often features murders, rape and muggings, yet when an Englishmen wants to display his patriotic side it's deemed racist.

These marchers should be allowed to march anywhere they like once a year! the Notting hill carnival disrupts business for THREE days yet no one say's anything. objectors must be racists against the English for some reason.
Well done march for England, it's funny how lefty liberals say nothing about the annual crimesfest that is the Notting hill carnival, celebrating not British but Caribbean culture and costing taxpayers around £4 million pound in policing bills, and often features murders, rape and muggings, yet when an Englishmen wants to display his patriotic side it's deemed racist. These marchers should be allowed to march anywhere they like once a year! the Notting hill carnival disrupts business for THREE days yet no one say's anything. objectors must be racists against the English for some reason. Terry K
  • Score: -137

8:35am Mon 28 Apr 14

LB says...

Do Weatherspoons invite them to their pub?

"Come and drink here, we're all in favour of disgruntled fat blokes with bad tattoos and an intolerant attitude towards people who aren't anglo-saxon!"
Do Weatherspoons invite them to their pub? "Come and drink here, we're all in favour of disgruntled fat blokes with bad tattoos and an intolerant attitude towards people who aren't anglo-saxon!" LB
  • Score: 25

8:38am Mon 28 Apr 14

HJarrs says...

Terry K wrote:
Well done march for England, it's funny how lefty liberals say nothing about the annual crimesfest that is the Notting hill carnival, celebrating not British but Caribbean culture and costing taxpayers around £4 million pound in policing bills, and often features murders, rape and muggings, yet when an Englishmen wants to display his patriotic side it's deemed racist.

These marchers should be allowed to march anywhere they like once a year! the Notting hill carnival disrupts business for THREE days yet no one say's anything. objectors must be racists against the English for some reason.
Where you the one local on the mfe? Or are you not local?
[quote][p][bold]Terry K[/bold] wrote: Well done march for England, it's funny how lefty liberals say nothing about the annual crimesfest that is the Notting hill carnival, celebrating not British but Caribbean culture and costing taxpayers around £4 million pound in policing bills, and often features murders, rape and muggings, yet when an Englishmen wants to display his patriotic side it's deemed racist. These marchers should be allowed to march anywhere they like once a year! the Notting hill carnival disrupts business for THREE days yet no one say's anything. objectors must be racists against the English for some reason.[/p][/quote]Where you the one local on the mfe? Or are you not local? HJarrs
  • Score: -3

8:40am Mon 28 Apr 14

B rian Tawses left foot says...

B rian Tawses left foot says...

Thank God decent, right thinking English men and women are prepared to stand up for their country and it's traditional values and march for these things. A pity that the ruling class of this country have taken it down the road of mass immigration and - the only 'beneficiaries' are employers who now preside over a 'minimum wage' economy. The rest of us are forced to live in a 'multi-cultural' hell hole where even using public transport is akin to being forced into a mobile Tower of Babel - English being the one tongue you are unlikely to hear.
B rian Tawses left foot says... Thank God decent, right thinking English men and women are prepared to stand up for their country and it's traditional values and march for these things. A pity that the ruling class of this country have taken it down the road of mass immigration and - the only 'beneficiaries' are employers who now preside over a 'minimum wage' economy. The rest of us are forced to live in a 'multi-cultural' hell hole where even using public transport is akin to being forced into a mobile Tower of Babel - English being the one tongue you are unlikely to hear. B rian Tawses left foot
  • Score: -64

8:40am Mon 28 Apr 14

voiceofthescoombe says...

More like 70 than 150
If they are vanguard of patriots I'm off to worship at the giant mosque by the old steine.
More like 70 than 150 If they are vanguard of patriots I'm off to worship at the giant mosque by the old steine. voiceofthescoombe
  • Score: 19

8:42am Mon 28 Apr 14

eldiablo says...

So where were the arrests for giving Nazi salutes? Thought they had been specifically prohibited this year and I witnessed a lot of the EDL thugs making them in full sight of the police
So where were the arrests for giving Nazi salutes? Thought they had been specifically prohibited this year and I witnessed a lot of the EDL thugs making them in full sight of the police eldiablo
  • Score: 29

8:44am Mon 28 Apr 14

taman says...

Brighton Kemptown MP, Simon Kirby, was also on the seafront.

He added: “Looking forward, I would like it not to happen again and if it does, to happen elsewhere. I am worried about the cost to the police, the cost to local businesses, and most of all the damage to the reputation of Brighton and Hove.” ........TO LATE THE WORD IS OUT !!!!!!!!
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Brighton Kemptown MP, Simon Kirby, was also on the seafront. He added: “Looking forward, I would like it not to happen again and if it does, to happen elsewhere. I am worried about the cost to the police, the cost to local businesses, and most of all the damage to the reputation of Brighton and Hove.” ........TO LATE THE WORD IS OUT !!!!!!!! http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2613905/Lunacy-town- turned-green-A-ban-b acon-butties-Traffic -calming-sheep-Trans gender-toilets-Sound s-like-send-In-fact- real-story-Britains- loopiest-party-took- Brighton.html taman
  • Score: 10

8:50am Mon 28 Apr 14

B rian Tawses left foot says...

LB says...

Do Weatherspoons invite them to their pub?

"Come and drink here, we're all in favour of disgruntled fat blokes with bad tattoos and an intolerant attitude towards people who aren't anglo-saxon!"

I think you'll find that people of ALL races prefer to live with their own. It's why whole areas of towns and cities in 'our' country are deemed to 'black' or 'Asian' and is possibly why 'whites out' graffiti can be seen daubed on walls in some of our northern cities. Remember 'racism' is not a white preserve.
LB says... Do Weatherspoons invite them to their pub? "Come and drink here, we're all in favour of disgruntled fat blokes with bad tattoos and an intolerant attitude towards people who aren't anglo-saxon!" I think you'll find that people of ALL races prefer to live with their own. It's why whole areas of towns and cities in 'our' country are deemed to 'black' or 'Asian' and is possibly why 'whites out' graffiti can be seen daubed on walls in some of our northern cities. Remember 'racism' is not a white preserve. B rian Tawses left foot
  • Score: 17

9:00am Mon 28 Apr 14

juleshove says...

There is no place for a march like this in our beautiful city. 99% of residents don't want it and this vast majority view should be respected. Both sides in my view are equally repugnant with aggressive extremists on both sides.

message is, march for england supporters and so called anti fascists who are a mixture of extreme left wing types and various Islamist groups with equally nasty views are not wanted here.

if you wish to fight each other do it in a field somewhere a long way away from our city.

greens should be disgusted encouraging these awful people to march here.

Hopefully that awful Lucas woman will never be an MP again after the next election. She is a disgrace to parliament.
There is no place for a march like this in our beautiful city. 99% of residents don't want it and this vast majority view should be respected. Both sides in my view are equally repugnant with aggressive extremists on both sides. message is, march for england supporters and so called anti fascists who are a mixture of extreme left wing types and various Islamist groups with equally nasty views are not wanted here. if you wish to fight each other do it in a field somewhere a long way away from our city. greens should be disgusted encouraging these awful people to march here. Hopefully that awful Lucas woman will never be an MP again after the next election. She is a disgrace to parliament. juleshove
  • Score: 63

9:03am Mon 28 Apr 14

hey mongo says...

People have always come to brighton to kick off and cause a bit of mayhem every now and then its nothing new....most people who call themselves brightonians arent from brighton and know hardly anything about the place...when i was a kid about 20 years ago the youth of this town wouldnt stand for these people on either side mfe or uaf and other out of towners walking down west street giving it the large it just wouldnt be stood for...for no other reason than we would protect our terrortories...yeah i know it sounds silly but thats how it was
People have always come to brighton to kick off and cause a bit of mayhem every now and then its nothing new....most people who call themselves brightonians arent from brighton and know hardly anything about the place...when i was a kid about 20 years ago the youth of this town wouldnt stand for these people on either side mfe or uaf and other out of towners walking down west street giving it the large it just wouldnt be stood for...for no other reason than we would protect our terrortories...yeah i know it sounds silly but thats how it was hey mongo
  • Score: 13

9:05am Mon 28 Apr 14

gazzamagoo says...

Descendants of a bunch of immigrants getting all angry over a bunch of immigrants.
Descendants of a bunch of immigrants getting all angry over a bunch of immigrants. gazzamagoo
  • Score: 25

9:06am Mon 28 Apr 14

Ashles says...

"Well done march for England, it's funny how lefty liberals say nothing about the annual crimesfest that is the Notting hill carnival, celebrating not British but Caribbean culture "

The NHC actually makes an attempt to celebrate a culture - there is music, there is food, there are events.
The March for England does not in any way celebrate English culture, other than the culture of fat blokes shouting "England".
That is not English culture.
(Little language note aside - every time you use the word 'liberal' in a derogatory way you are implying you are not in favour of freedom. Remember you're only allowed to march and protest in the first place because of this coutry's 'liberal' attitudes. You can't have it both ways.)

If these Marchers instead organised an event with actual English-themed entertainment, food and events it would probably be a very popular event which people would happily attend.
But instead they simply have their sad hate-filled walk - families and children, the next generation of English citizens, look on this spectacle and rightly stay away, repulsed.

You see the thing is, people actually enjoy celebrating their culture.
We don't (and let's kill this pathetic myth once and for all) hate our country. We love it. I am fiercely proud of being English and have travelled widely.
The more I know about our country the more I can talk proudly about it when I meet people of different cultures.
I have a St Georges t-shirt I never feel ANY issue about wearing when i am in the mood.
I am against UKIP because they intend to gut and privatise the NHS which I believe is integral to our society.
I try and support the British Film Industry which I believe should be a much greater international player. I support british business and its academic institutions. I will argue with anyone the importance of English culture and the impact our scientific, military and artistic achievements on the world.
In these and many other ways I daily feel and exhibit my pride in England.

I DON'T express my English pride in horrific events like the MfE because they actually DON'T in any way celebrate anything good about England.

The MfE only celbrate two things:

1) the thuggish, ignorant, violent side of England, one we tried to lose in the '70s and ''80s.
2) A deeply misplaced sense of 'entitlement' based ony only where someone's mother happened to squeeze them out.

You aren't 'genetically' English - any rights are only conferred by dint of happening to be born here. Look at the comments made about Lenny Henry, a man as fully English as any other in the country.

This seems to be what the MfE is really about.
Wanting things to go their way not through their own effort, or hard work, or training, or education, or graft... but simply because they happened to be born 'English'.

That's why the Nazi comparisons flow. Because. like all the truly pathetic throughout history, rather than achieve anything themselves they prefer to blame others.
The muslimes, the blacks, the poles...

In Germany in the 20s and 30s, the incapable and unsatisfied looked to blame their inadequacies on others too.
How did that work out for them in the long run?

the March for England is NOT a March for England.
It is a March AGAINST Multicuturalism.

And sadly for you boys, that ship has already sailed.
Like pretty much every other developed country in the world, English culture has now incorporated many other cultures and this is not a trend that is goin to reverse.

Whatever you were marching for, you've already lost.
"Well done march for England, it's funny how lefty liberals say nothing about the annual crimesfest that is the Notting hill carnival, celebrating not British but Caribbean culture " The NHC actually makes an attempt to celebrate a culture - there is music, there is food, there are events. The March for England does not in any way celebrate English culture, other than the culture of fat blokes shouting "England". That is not English culture. (Little language note aside - every time you use the word 'liberal' in a derogatory way you are implying you are not in favour of freedom. Remember you're only allowed to march and protest in the first place because of this coutry's 'liberal' attitudes. You can't have it both ways.) If these Marchers instead organised an event with actual English-themed entertainment, food and events it would probably be a very popular event which people would happily attend. But instead they simply have their sad hate-filled walk - families and children, the next generation of English citizens, look on this spectacle and rightly stay away, repulsed. You see the thing is, people actually enjoy celebrating their culture. We don't (and let's kill this pathetic myth once and for all) hate our country. We love it. I am fiercely proud of being English and have travelled widely. The more I know about our country the more I can talk proudly about it when I meet people of different cultures. I have a St Georges t-shirt I never feel ANY issue about wearing when i am in the mood. I am against UKIP because they intend to gut and privatise the NHS which I believe is integral to our society. I try and support the British Film Industry which I believe should be a much greater international player. I support british business and its academic institutions. I will argue with anyone the importance of English culture and the impact our scientific, military and artistic achievements on the world. In these and many other ways I daily feel and exhibit my pride in England. I DON'T express my English pride in horrific events like the MfE because they actually DON'T in any way celebrate anything good about England. The MfE only celbrate two things: 1) the thuggish, ignorant, violent side of England, one we tried to lose in the '70s and ''80s. 2) A deeply misplaced sense of 'entitlement' based ony only where someone's mother happened to squeeze them out. You aren't 'genetically' English - any rights are only conferred by dint of happening to be born here. Look at the comments made about Lenny Henry, a man as fully English as any other in the country. This seems to be what the MfE is really about. Wanting things to go their way not through their own effort, or hard work, or training, or education, or graft... but simply because they happened to be born 'English'. That's why the Nazi comparisons flow. Because. like all the truly pathetic throughout history, rather than achieve anything themselves they prefer to blame others. The muslimes, the blacks, the poles... In Germany in the 20s and 30s, the incapable and unsatisfied looked to blame their inadequacies on others too. How did that work out for them in the long run? the March for England is NOT a March for England. It is a March AGAINST Multicuturalism. And sadly for you boys, that ship has already sailed. Like pretty much every other developed country in the world, English culture has now incorporated many other cultures and this is not a trend that is goin to reverse. Whatever you were marching for, you've already lost. Ashles
  • Score: 139

9:10am Mon 28 Apr 14

Ashles says...

B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
B rian Tawses left foot says... Thank God decent, right thinking English men and women are prepared to stand up for their country and it's traditional values and march for these things. A pity that the ruling class of this country have taken it down the road of mass immigration and - the only 'beneficiaries' are employers who now preside over a 'minimum wage' economy. The rest of us are forced to live in a 'multi-cultural' hell hole where even using public transport is akin to being forced into a mobile Tower of Babel - English being the one tongue you are unlikely to hear.
"decent, right thinking English men and women are prepared to stand up for their country and it's traditional values and march for these things"

Please enlighten us as to what these values are? They certainly weren't displaying any on the march.

I'm wondering if you can explain what these values are that the Marchers are promoting?
No-one else has been able to explain yet.

Bonus points if you can describe actual positive English values instead of criticisms of other races/cultures.
[quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: B rian Tawses left foot says... Thank God decent, right thinking English men and women are prepared to stand up for their country and it's traditional values and march for these things. A pity that the ruling class of this country have taken it down the road of mass immigration and - the only 'beneficiaries' are employers who now preside over a 'minimum wage' economy. The rest of us are forced to live in a 'multi-cultural' hell hole where even using public transport is akin to being forced into a mobile Tower of Babel - English being the one tongue you are unlikely to hear.[/p][/quote]"decent, right thinking English men and women are prepared to stand up for their country and it's traditional values and march for these things" Please enlighten us as to what these values are? They certainly weren't displaying any on the march. I'm wondering if you can explain what these values are that the Marchers are promoting? No-one else has been able to explain yet. Bonus points if you can describe actual positive English values instead of criticisms of other races/cultures. Ashles
  • Score: 48

9:13am Mon 28 Apr 14

DC Brighton says...

Couldn't they all have been directed over that dodgy bit of road on the seafront?
And by "all" I mean both the soap dodgers and the skinheads.
Why should it be forced upon the same city every year? Freedom of speech is one thing, but I can't imagine too many Brighton residents are pleased to have this foisted upon them - except media-desperate Caroline Lucas (if she lives in Brighton at all).

Oh yeah, and the same goes for sponsored bike rides. The London to Brighton is fine since it has tradition on its side. All the others should go via Worthing, Eastbourne, Littlehampton etc.
Couldn't they all have been directed over that dodgy bit of road on the seafront? And by "all" I mean both the soap dodgers and the skinheads. Why should it be forced upon the same city every year? Freedom of speech is one thing, but I can't imagine too many Brighton residents are pleased to have this foisted upon them - except media-desperate Caroline Lucas (if she lives in Brighton at all). Oh yeah, and the same goes for sponsored bike rides. The London to Brighton is fine since it has tradition on its side. All the others should go via Worthing, Eastbourne, Littlehampton etc. DC Brighton
  • Score: 7

9:17am Mon 28 Apr 14

Ashles says...

"The rest of us are forced to live in a 'multi-cultural' hell hole where even using public transport is akin to being forced into a mobile Tower of Babel - English being the one tongue you are unlikely to hear."

I guess you haven't travelled to many foreign cities in the last 30 years?
In every major business/tourist hub you tend to encounter huge numbers of people not from that country.

It's also surprising that you are so deeply disturbed simply by hearing other languages on mobile transport. You have our pity for living in such constant fear and upset. Perhaps you should move?

Of course it sort of completely contradicts your other claim that:
"I think you'll find that people of ALL races prefer to live with their own."

So strange this world, where everybody wants to live exclusively with their own kind, yet at the same time continually forms a 'multi-cultural hell-hole'.

Maybe they're all doing it simply to annoy you?
"The rest of us are forced to live in a 'multi-cultural' hell hole where even using public transport is akin to being forced into a mobile Tower of Babel - English being the one tongue you are unlikely to hear." I guess you haven't travelled to many foreign cities in the last 30 years? In every major business/tourist hub you tend to encounter huge numbers of people not from that country. It's also surprising that you are so deeply disturbed simply by hearing other languages on mobile transport. You have our pity for living in such constant fear and upset. Perhaps you should move? Of course it sort of completely contradicts your other claim that: "I think you'll find that people of ALL races prefer to live with their own." So strange this world, where everybody wants to live exclusively with their own kind, yet at the same time continually forms a 'multi-cultural hell-hole'. Maybe they're all doing it simply to annoy you? Ashles
  • Score: 37

9:18am Mon 28 Apr 14

Andy R says...

Terry K wrote:
Well done march for England, it's funny how lefty liberals say nothing about the annual crimesfest that is the Notting hill carnival, celebrating not British but Caribbean culture and costing taxpayers around £4 million pound in policing bills, and often features murders, rape and muggings, yet when an Englishmen wants to display his patriotic side it's deemed racist.

These marchers should be allowed to march anywhere they like once a year! the Notting hill carnival disrupts business for THREE days yet no one say's anything. objectors must be racists against the English for some reason.
"Says" not "say's".

Pride in the language!
[quote][p][bold]Terry K[/bold] wrote: Well done march for England, it's funny how lefty liberals say nothing about the annual crimesfest that is the Notting hill carnival, celebrating not British but Caribbean culture and costing taxpayers around £4 million pound in policing bills, and often features murders, rape and muggings, yet when an Englishmen wants to display his patriotic side it's deemed racist. These marchers should be allowed to march anywhere they like once a year! the Notting hill carnival disrupts business for THREE days yet no one say's anything. objectors must be racists against the English for some reason.[/p][/quote]"Says" not "say's". Pride in the language! Andy R
  • Score: 10

9:22am Mon 28 Apr 14

Andy R says...

DC Brighton wrote:
Couldn't they all have been directed over that dodgy bit of road on the seafront?
And by "all" I mean both the soap dodgers and the skinheads.
Why should it be forced upon the same city every year? Freedom of speech is one thing, but I can't imagine too many Brighton residents are pleased to have this foisted upon them - except media-desperate Caroline Lucas (if she lives in Brighton at all).

Oh yeah, and the same goes for sponsored bike rides. The London to Brighton is fine since it has tradition on its side. All the others should go via Worthing, Eastbourne, Littlehampton etc.
I was on the counter demo and I am not a "soap dodger". In fact I took a shower as soon as I got home. A very necessary action after a spending any time at all up close and personal with the "March for England".
[quote][p][bold]DC Brighton[/bold] wrote: Couldn't they all have been directed over that dodgy bit of road on the seafront? And by "all" I mean both the soap dodgers and the skinheads. Why should it be forced upon the same city every year? Freedom of speech is one thing, but I can't imagine too many Brighton residents are pleased to have this foisted upon them - except media-desperate Caroline Lucas (if she lives in Brighton at all). Oh yeah, and the same goes for sponsored bike rides. The London to Brighton is fine since it has tradition on its side. All the others should go via Worthing, Eastbourne, Littlehampton etc.[/p][/quote]I was on the counter demo and I am not a "soap dodger". In fact I took a shower as soon as I got home. A very necessary action after a spending any time at all up close and personal with the "March for England". Andy R
  • Score: 15

9:25am Mon 28 Apr 14

Fight_Back says...

eldiablo wrote:
So where were the arrests for giving Nazi salutes? Thought they had been specifically prohibited this year and I witnessed a lot of the EDL thugs making them in full sight of the police
Maybe the police had other pressing matters to deal with like arresting cowardly lefties who even hide their faces they are so proud of their cause.

BOTH groups are repugnant vile animals who don't deserve the right to protest. Hopefully the courts will set examples as the animals that were arrested come to trial. Both the Police and the courts should be given the same powers to deal with these mindless morons as they were given during the London riots.
[quote][p][bold]eldiablo[/bold] wrote: So where were the arrests for giving Nazi salutes? Thought they had been specifically prohibited this year and I witnessed a lot of the EDL thugs making them in full sight of the police[/p][/quote]Maybe the police had other pressing matters to deal with like arresting cowardly lefties who even hide their faces they are so proud of their cause. BOTH groups are repugnant vile animals who don't deserve the right to protest. Hopefully the courts will set examples as the animals that were arrested come to trial. Both the Police and the courts should be given the same powers to deal with these mindless morons as they were given during the London riots. Fight_Back
  • Score: 5

9:27am Mon 28 Apr 14

Fight_Back says...

Andy R wrote:
DC Brighton wrote:
Couldn't they all have been directed over that dodgy bit of road on the seafront?
And by "all" I mean both the soap dodgers and the skinheads.
Why should it be forced upon the same city every year? Freedom of speech is one thing, but I can't imagine too many Brighton residents are pleased to have this foisted upon them - except media-desperate Caroline Lucas (if she lives in Brighton at all).

Oh yeah, and the same goes for sponsored bike rides. The London to Brighton is fine since it has tradition on its side. All the others should go via Worthing, Eastbourne, Littlehampton etc.
I was on the counter demo and I am not a "soap dodger". In fact I took a shower as soon as I got home. A very necessary action after a spending any time at all up close and personal with the "March for England".
Then people like you and Lucas are as vile and repugnant as the MfE marchers. STOP the violence !!!!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DC Brighton[/bold] wrote: Couldn't they all have been directed over that dodgy bit of road on the seafront? And by "all" I mean both the soap dodgers and the skinheads. Why should it be forced upon the same city every year? Freedom of speech is one thing, but I can't imagine too many Brighton residents are pleased to have this foisted upon them - except media-desperate Caroline Lucas (if she lives in Brighton at all). Oh yeah, and the same goes for sponsored bike rides. The London to Brighton is fine since it has tradition on its side. All the others should go via Worthing, Eastbourne, Littlehampton etc.[/p][/quote]I was on the counter demo and I am not a "soap dodger". In fact I took a shower as soon as I got home. A very necessary action after a spending any time at all up close and personal with the "March for England".[/p][/quote]Then people like you and Lucas are as vile and repugnant as the MfE marchers. STOP the violence !!!!!!!!!!! Fight_Back
  • Score: -17

9:33am Mon 28 Apr 14

TheWerewolf says...

The issue i have with the RIGHT to demonstrate argument in this case is that this Right prevented many others the RIGHT to go about their normal business at the weekend in Brighton. I would argue that a small minority group does not have the right to impact so many others. Police informed many expected large gatherings in Brighton and Hove on Friday to cancel their plans to prevent additional people being required to travel through Brighton. How can this be democratic in any sense. When every year becomes an excuse for violence they police should be given the powers to say you have just lost your right.....No march going forward
The issue i have with the RIGHT to demonstrate argument in this case is that this Right prevented many others the RIGHT to go about their normal business at the weekend in Brighton. I would argue that a small minority group does not have the right to impact so many others. Police informed many expected large gatherings in Brighton and Hove on Friday to cancel their plans to prevent additional people being required to travel through Brighton. How can this be democratic in any sense. When every year becomes an excuse for violence they police should be given the powers to say you have just lost your right.....No march going forward TheWerewolf
  • Score: 24

9:38am Mon 28 Apr 14

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9:10am Mon 28 Apr 14

Ashles says...


B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
B rian Tawses left foot says... Thank God decent, right thinking English men and women are prepared to stand up for their country and it's traditional values and march for these things. A pity that the ruling class of this country have taken it down the road of mass immigration and - the only 'beneficiaries' are employers who now preside over a 'minimum wage' economy. The rest of us are forced to live in a 'multi-cultural' hell hole where even using public transport is akin to being forced into a mobile Tower of Babel - English being the one tongue you are unlikely to hear.
"decent, right thinking English men and women are prepared to stand up for their country and it's traditional values and march for these things"

Please enlighten us as to what these values are? They certainly weren't displaying any on the march.

I'm wondering if you can explain what these values are that the Marchers are promoting?
No-one else has been able to explain yet.

Bonus points if you can describe actual positive English values instead of criticisms of other races/cultures.

Freedom of expression is a very positive English value - paradoxically it was a Frenchman - Voltaire - who expressed it most eloquently. 'I disagree with what you say but defend to the death your right to say it.' Whilst continental Europe has suffered fascism and communism - under which freedom of expression does not exist, Britain has a long and justifiably proud history of defending this freedom. It is a freedom upon which all other freedoms rely for their existence.
Of course in many Asian countries freedom of expression does not exist at all - either because it is forbidden by the government - or because some theistic religion forbids it because it runs contrary it's strictures. In Britain these things are under threat from the absurdity of 'political correctness' and a ruling class who favour immigration to keep wages low.
What most people in the world want to be prosperous and free. For most of our recent history we have been prosperous and free. If we carry on down the present road we shall become poor and enslaved. If people are prepared to get off their backsides and march to show their disapproval of the nonsensical direction their governments have been taking them for the last 70 years then all power to them.
.Quote » Report this post » ... 9:10am Mon 28 Apr 14 Ashles says... B rian Tawses left foot wrote: B rian Tawses left foot says... Thank God decent, right thinking English men and women are prepared to stand up for their country and it's traditional values and march for these things. A pity that the ruling class of this country have taken it down the road of mass immigration and - the only 'beneficiaries' are employers who now preside over a 'minimum wage' economy. The rest of us are forced to live in a 'multi-cultural' hell hole where even using public transport is akin to being forced into a mobile Tower of Babel - English being the one tongue you are unlikely to hear. "decent, right thinking English men and women are prepared to stand up for their country and it's traditional values and march for these things" Please enlighten us as to what these values are? They certainly weren't displaying any on the march. I'm wondering if you can explain what these values are that the Marchers are promoting? No-one else has been able to explain yet. Bonus points if you can describe actual positive English values instead of criticisms of other races/cultures. Freedom of expression is a very positive English value - paradoxically it was a Frenchman - Voltaire - who expressed it most eloquently. 'I disagree with what you say but defend to the death your right to say it.' Whilst continental Europe has suffered fascism and communism - under which freedom of expression does not exist, Britain has a long and justifiably proud history of defending this freedom. It is a freedom upon which all other freedoms rely for their existence. Of course in many Asian countries freedom of expression does not exist at all - either because it is forbidden by the government - or because some theistic religion forbids it because it runs contrary it's strictures. In Britain these things are under threat from the absurdity of 'political correctness' and a ruling class who favour immigration to keep wages low. What most people in the world want to be prosperous and free. For most of our recent history we have been prosperous and free. If we carry on down the present road we shall become poor and enslaved. If people are prepared to get off their backsides and march to show their disapproval of the nonsensical direction their governments have been taking them for the last 70 years then all power to them. B rian Tawses left foot
  • Score: -9

9:57am Mon 28 Apr 14

clubrob6 says...

As predicted the Argus is making it look like the 27 arrested were on the MFE,both sides cause trouble but unfortunately the now took over group Unite Against Freedom UAF cause the vast majority of trouble and usually are the ones arrested.But once again the media protects them by not reporting this fact.BOTH SIDES ARE AS BAD AS EACH OTHER,the green party and people objecting to the march peacefully are very welcome but the now extremist group the UAF shoud lose its government funding.
As predicted the Argus is making it look like the 27 arrested were on the MFE,both sides cause trouble but unfortunately the now took over group Unite Against Freedom UAF cause the vast majority of trouble and usually are the ones arrested.But once again the media protects them by not reporting this fact.BOTH SIDES ARE AS BAD AS EACH OTHER,the green party and people objecting to the march peacefully are very welcome but the now extremist group the UAF shoud lose its government funding. clubrob6
  • Score: 7

9:58am Mon 28 Apr 14

Andy R says...

Fight_Back wrote:
Andy R wrote:
DC Brighton wrote:
Couldn't they all have been directed over that dodgy bit of road on the seafront?
And by "all" I mean both the soap dodgers and the skinheads.
Why should it be forced upon the same city every year? Freedom of speech is one thing, but I can't imagine too many Brighton residents are pleased to have this foisted upon them - except media-desperate Caroline Lucas (if she lives in Brighton at all).

Oh yeah, and the same goes for sponsored bike rides. The London to Brighton is fine since it has tradition on its side. All the others should go via Worthing, Eastbourne, Littlehampton etc.
I was on the counter demo and I am not a "soap dodger". In fact I took a shower as soon as I got home. A very necessary action after a spending any time at all up close and personal with the "March for England".
Then people like you and Lucas are as vile and repugnant as the MfE marchers. STOP the violence !!!!!!!!!!!
"Fight_Back" thnks I'm "vile" and "repugnant".



I think I'll get over it.
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DC Brighton[/bold] wrote: Couldn't they all have been directed over that dodgy bit of road on the seafront? And by "all" I mean both the soap dodgers and the skinheads. Why should it be forced upon the same city every year? Freedom of speech is one thing, but I can't imagine too many Brighton residents are pleased to have this foisted upon them - except media-desperate Caroline Lucas (if she lives in Brighton at all). Oh yeah, and the same goes for sponsored bike rides. The London to Brighton is fine since it has tradition on its side. All the others should go via Worthing, Eastbourne, Littlehampton etc.[/p][/quote]I was on the counter demo and I am not a "soap dodger". In fact I took a shower as soon as I got home. A very necessary action after a spending any time at all up close and personal with the "March for England".[/p][/quote]Then people like you and Lucas are as vile and repugnant as the MfE marchers. STOP the violence !!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]"Fight_Back" thnks I'm "vile" and "repugnant". I think I'll get over it. Andy R
  • Score: 8

9:59am Mon 28 Apr 14

Ashles says...

B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
.Quote » Report this post » ... 9:10am Mon 28 Apr 14 Ashles says... B rian Tawses left foot wrote: B rian Tawses left foot says... Thank God decent, right thinking English men and women are prepared to stand up for their country and it's traditional values and march for these things. A pity that the ruling class of this country have taken it down the road of mass immigration and - the only 'beneficiaries' are employers who now preside over a 'minimum wage' economy. The rest of us are forced to live in a 'multi-cultural' hell hole where even using public transport is akin to being forced into a mobile Tower of Babel - English being the one tongue you are unlikely to hear. "decent, right thinking English men and women are prepared to stand up for their country and it's traditional values and march for these things" Please enlighten us as to what these values are? They certainly weren't displaying any on the march. I'm wondering if you can explain what these values are that the Marchers are promoting? No-one else has been able to explain yet. Bonus points if you can describe actual positive English values instead of criticisms of other races/cultures. Freedom of expression is a very positive English value - paradoxically it was a Frenchman - Voltaire - who expressed it most eloquently. 'I disagree with what you say but defend to the death your right to say it.' Whilst continental Europe has suffered fascism and communism - under which freedom of expression does not exist, Britain has a long and justifiably proud history of defending this freedom. It is a freedom upon which all other freedoms rely for their existence. Of course in many Asian countries freedom of expression does not exist at all - either because it is forbidden by the government - or because some theistic religion forbids it because it runs contrary it's strictures. In Britain these things are under threat from the absurdity of 'political correctness' and a ruling class who favour immigration to keep wages low. What most people in the world want to be prosperous and free. For most of our recent history we have been prosperous and free. If we carry on down the present road we shall become poor and enslaved. If people are prepared to get off their backsides and march to show their disapproval of the nonsensical direction their governments have been taking them for the last 70 years then all power to them.
Thanks Brian for your response to my request for what you consider to be English values.

The first one you mention is "Freedom of expression".
Well that's great. I wholeheartedly agree.
But there's a couple of issues with that.
Clearly the MfE absolutely DO have freedom of expression. So that's not something that has been removed from them (you don't have the right to commit violence in the streets, or incitement to violenece or hatred, but that's another issue - one that applies to both sides).
Freedom of speech and expression is already ingrained in law and no-one is looking to remove that - but it is primarily a vehicle for communicating your values.
So it appears you support the method by which one can expres one's English values, but still haven't mentioned what those actual values are (unless it is the freedom to express your love of freedom of speech which is meritorious but at the same time slightly tautological).

But remember freedom of speech is a double-edged sword - it also grants equal speech to everyone. From all cultures and races. So if you support it you must support it for all.

"What most people in the world want to be prosperous and free. For most of our recent history we have been prosperous and free. If we carry on down the present road we shall become poor and enslaved."
There's the massive logical jump. The casual little claim so beloved by UKIP, that has no logic behind it.
Why will you become poor and enslaved? I don't feel in any danger of this whatsoever. I work hard. I have taught myself a variety of skills.
I would (and have) happily compete for a job with anyone from anywhere.
Nobody owes you a job. You have to earn it.
It sounds like the issue you have is not with foreigners or with the government, but the concept of capitalism itself. And that's going to take more than a march to undo.

Also... 'enslaved'? Please, explain that in some detail. That's a really odd claim.

So, emotive language aside, all we have here is a baseless claim.
(Also I notice you have already moved away from my request to actually detail English values.)

"If people are prepared to get off their backsides and march to show their disapproval of the nonsensical direction their governments have been taking them for the last 70 years then all power to them."
You are sweepingly criticising the approach of EVERY single government of the last 70 years? Wow.

Okay i'm keen to know what political approach you would choose this country to take instead.
I can only think something akin to North Korea's isolationist approach is what you are proposing.
Can you clarify?
[quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: .Quote » Report this post » ... 9:10am Mon 28 Apr 14 Ashles says... B rian Tawses left foot wrote: B rian Tawses left foot says... Thank God decent, right thinking English men and women are prepared to stand up for their country and it's traditional values and march for these things. A pity that the ruling class of this country have taken it down the road of mass immigration and - the only 'beneficiaries' are employers who now preside over a 'minimum wage' economy. The rest of us are forced to live in a 'multi-cultural' hell hole where even using public transport is akin to being forced into a mobile Tower of Babel - English being the one tongue you are unlikely to hear. "decent, right thinking English men and women are prepared to stand up for their country and it's traditional values and march for these things" Please enlighten us as to what these values are? They certainly weren't displaying any on the march. I'm wondering if you can explain what these values are that the Marchers are promoting? No-one else has been able to explain yet. Bonus points if you can describe actual positive English values instead of criticisms of other races/cultures. Freedom of expression is a very positive English value - paradoxically it was a Frenchman - Voltaire - who expressed it most eloquently. 'I disagree with what you say but defend to the death your right to say it.' Whilst continental Europe has suffered fascism and communism - under which freedom of expression does not exist, Britain has a long and justifiably proud history of defending this freedom. It is a freedom upon which all other freedoms rely for their existence. Of course in many Asian countries freedom of expression does not exist at all - either because it is forbidden by the government - or because some theistic religion forbids it because it runs contrary it's strictures. In Britain these things are under threat from the absurdity of 'political correctness' and a ruling class who favour immigration to keep wages low. What most people in the world want to be prosperous and free. For most of our recent history we have been prosperous and free. If we carry on down the present road we shall become poor and enslaved. If people are prepared to get off their backsides and march to show their disapproval of the nonsensical direction their governments have been taking them for the last 70 years then all power to them.[/p][/quote]Thanks Brian for your response to my request for what you consider to be English values. The first one you mention is "Freedom of expression". Well that's great. I wholeheartedly agree. But there's a couple of issues with that. Clearly the MfE absolutely DO have freedom of expression. So that's not something that has been removed from them (you don't have the right to commit violence in the streets, or incitement to violenece or hatred, but that's another issue - one that applies to both sides). Freedom of speech and expression is already ingrained in law and no-one is looking to remove that - but it is primarily a vehicle for communicating your values. So it appears you support the method by which one can expres one's English values, but still haven't mentioned what those actual values are (unless it is the freedom to express your love of freedom of speech which is meritorious but at the same time slightly tautological). But remember freedom of speech is a double-edged sword - it also grants equal speech to everyone. From all cultures and races. So if you support it you must support it for all. "What most people in the world want to be prosperous and free. For most of our recent history we have been prosperous and free. If we carry on down the present road we shall become poor and enslaved." There's the massive logical jump. The casual little claim so beloved by UKIP, that has no logic behind it. Why will you become poor and enslaved? I don't feel in any danger of this whatsoever. I work hard. I have taught myself a variety of skills. I would (and have) happily compete for a job with anyone from anywhere. Nobody owes you a job. You have to earn it. It sounds like the issue you have is not with foreigners or with the government, but the concept of capitalism itself. And that's going to take more than a march to undo. Also... 'enslaved'? Please, explain that in some detail. That's a really odd claim. So, emotive language aside, all we have here is a baseless claim. (Also I notice you have already moved away from my request to actually detail English values.) "If people are prepared to get off their backsides and march to show their disapproval of the nonsensical direction their governments have been taking them for the last 70 years then all power to them." You are sweepingly criticising the approach of EVERY single government of the last 70 years? Wow. Okay i'm keen to know what political approach you would choose this country to take instead. I can only think something akin to North Korea's isolationist approach is what you are proposing. Can you clarify? Ashles
  • Score: 18

10:03am Mon 28 Apr 14

clubrob6 says...

Terry K wrote:
Well done march for England, it's funny how lefty liberals say nothing about the annual crimesfest that is the Notting hill carnival, celebrating not British but Caribbean culture and costing taxpayers around £4 million pound in policing bills, and often features murders, rape and muggings, yet when an Englishmen wants to display his patriotic side it's deemed racist.

These marchers should be allowed to march anywhere they like once a year! the Notting hill carnival disrupts business for THREE days yet no one say's anything. objectors must be racists against the English for some reason.
These marches do occur further north and they are family events they are peaceful for all of the community.The only time such events turn violent is when the UAF,Unite Against Freedom who have now unfortunately been taken over by an extremist element attends.The UAF even attend UKIP events now to stir up there hatred.The MFE in Brighton has lost its way and just attracts extremists from both sides.But notice the Argus is not saying which side the arrests are from protecting the UAF.
[quote][p][bold]Terry K[/bold] wrote: Well done march for England, it's funny how lefty liberals say nothing about the annual crimesfest that is the Notting hill carnival, celebrating not British but Caribbean culture and costing taxpayers around £4 million pound in policing bills, and often features murders, rape and muggings, yet when an Englishmen wants to display his patriotic side it's deemed racist. These marchers should be allowed to march anywhere they like once a year! the Notting hill carnival disrupts business for THREE days yet no one say's anything. objectors must be racists against the English for some reason.[/p][/quote]These marches do occur further north and they are family events they are peaceful for all of the community.The only time such events turn violent is when the UAF,Unite Against Freedom who have now unfortunately been taken over by an extremist element attends.The UAF even attend UKIP events now to stir up there hatred.The MFE in Brighton has lost its way and just attracts extremists from both sides.But notice the Argus is not saying which side the arrests are from protecting the UAF. clubrob6
  • Score: -2

10:08am Mon 28 Apr 14

Arrggh says...

clubrob6 wrote:
Terry K wrote:
Well done march for England, it's funny how lefty liberals say nothing about the annual crimesfest that is the Notting hill carnival, celebrating not British but Caribbean culture and costing taxpayers around £4 million pound in policing bills, and often features murders, rape and muggings, yet when an Englishmen wants to display his patriotic side it's deemed racist.

These marchers should be allowed to march anywhere they like once a year! the Notting hill carnival disrupts business for THREE days yet no one say's anything. objectors must be racists against the English for some reason.
These marches do occur further north and they are family events they are peaceful for all of the community.The only time such events turn violent is when the UAF,Unite Against Freedom who have now unfortunately been taken over by an extremist element attends.The UAF even attend UKIP events now to stir up there hatred.The MFE in Brighton has lost its way and just attracts extremists from both sides.But notice the Argus is not saying which side the arrests are from protecting the UAF.
To be fair to the Argus the police figures aren't broken down that way but if you want to work it out if the address listed isn't Brighton then more likely MfE.
[quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Terry K[/bold] wrote: Well done march for England, it's funny how lefty liberals say nothing about the annual crimesfest that is the Notting hill carnival, celebrating not British but Caribbean culture and costing taxpayers around £4 million pound in policing bills, and often features murders, rape and muggings, yet when an Englishmen wants to display his patriotic side it's deemed racist. These marchers should be allowed to march anywhere they like once a year! the Notting hill carnival disrupts business for THREE days yet no one say's anything. objectors must be racists against the English for some reason.[/p][/quote]These marches do occur further north and they are family events they are peaceful for all of the community.The only time such events turn violent is when the UAF,Unite Against Freedom who have now unfortunately been taken over by an extremist element attends.The UAF even attend UKIP events now to stir up there hatred.The MFE in Brighton has lost its way and just attracts extremists from both sides.But notice the Argus is not saying which side the arrests are from protecting the UAF.[/p][/quote]To be fair to the Argus the police figures aren't broken down that way but if you want to work it out if the address listed isn't Brighton then more likely MfE. Arrggh
  • Score: 8

10:10am Mon 28 Apr 14

clubrob6 says...

HJarrs wrote:
Terry K wrote:
Well done march for England, it's funny how lefty liberals say nothing about the annual crimesfest that is the Notting hill carnival, celebrating not British but Caribbean culture and costing taxpayers around £4 million pound in policing bills, and often features murders, rape and muggings, yet when an Englishmen wants to display his patriotic side it's deemed racist.

These marchers should be allowed to march anywhere they like once a year! the Notting hill carnival disrupts business for THREE days yet no one say's anything. objectors must be racists against the English for some reason.
Where you the one local on the mfe? Or are you not local?
If the MFE did not attract the violent extremist element from both sides especially the UAF it would actually be a family day out like it is in Cumbria.Unfortunatel
y its been took over by the extremist element from both sides so the march is pointless.Unite Against Freedom UAF is the most violent group in the country and is sadly funded by our government.On a positive note there were groups opposing the march peacefully like the green party and members of the public representing themselves and not extreme groups like the UAF they are the ones that got there point over without violence.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Terry K[/bold] wrote: Well done march for England, it's funny how lefty liberals say nothing about the annual crimesfest that is the Notting hill carnival, celebrating not British but Caribbean culture and costing taxpayers around £4 million pound in policing bills, and often features murders, rape and muggings, yet when an Englishmen wants to display his patriotic side it's deemed racist. These marchers should be allowed to march anywhere they like once a year! the Notting hill carnival disrupts business for THREE days yet no one say's anything. objectors must be racists against the English for some reason.[/p][/quote]Where you the one local on the mfe? Or are you not local?[/p][/quote]If the MFE did not attract the violent extremist element from both sides especially the UAF it would actually be a family day out like it is in Cumbria.Unfortunatel y its been took over by the extremist element from both sides so the march is pointless.Unite Against Freedom UAF is the most violent group in the country and is sadly funded by our government.On a positive note there were groups opposing the march peacefully like the green party and members of the public representing themselves and not extreme groups like the UAF they are the ones that got there point over without violence. clubrob6
  • Score: -7

10:12am Mon 28 Apr 14

tallchris says...

The MFE supporters were a laughable shower of ugly drunks. Seventy of them tops. They needed the police of five counties to protect their sorry behinds. Well done to all the anti fascists who came down yesterday.
The MFE supporters were a laughable shower of ugly drunks. Seventy of them tops. They needed the police of five counties to protect their sorry behinds. Well done to all the anti fascists who came down yesterday. tallchris
  • Score: 12

10:16am Mon 28 Apr 14

clubrob6 says...

eldiablo wrote:
So where were the arrests for giving Nazi salutes? Thought they had been specifically prohibited this year and I witnessed a lot of the EDL thugs making them in full sight of the police
Unfortunately the police were too busy with the violence the now extremist group Unite Against Freedom UAF were committing or they would have had time to arrest these men.But with face coverings banned this year im sure anyone from either side who were breaking the law will be caught up with.
[quote][p][bold]eldiablo[/bold] wrote: So where were the arrests for giving Nazi salutes? Thought they had been specifically prohibited this year and I witnessed a lot of the EDL thugs making them in full sight of the police[/p][/quote]Unfortunately the police were too busy with the violence the now extremist group Unite Against Freedom UAF were committing or they would have had time to arrest these men.But with face coverings banned this year im sure anyone from either side who were breaking the law will be caught up with. clubrob6
  • Score: 3

10:17am Mon 28 Apr 14

UppityPrimate says...

Yet again, i find myself equally enraged by the people all common decency says i should be supporting in this disagreement as with those whose outlook on life i find alien and poisonous to the core.

I can accept that freedom of speech is a 2 way street, and i accept that there's no way to ban people like the EDL/BNP/MFE from voicing their viewpoints without negating that, in the same way that i truly believe that if i want to unleash a repellent burst of flatulence in a restaurant and i really don't care what people think of me for it, it's my right to make that call knowing that everyone will think i'm a filthy degenerate.

What galls me is the people who spend ages sticking badly made stickers up all over brighton, spray painting half-baked derivative banksy ripoff graffiti on residential houses and talking about how they're doing it because they oppose violence and prejudice, but when it comes down to it, they're basically prowling the town in masks throwing chairs and tables owned by local businesses regardless of innocent bystanders, smashing windows, and being unable/unwilling to engage in even the most thinly civilised dissent.

All it does is
A: justify the EDL's assertions that they're not the troublemakers,
B: alienate the locals
C: ensure without any shadow of doubt that when the police attend a protest of any sort here, they do so in full on, riot shield mode with the special reserves of red-faced steroid enhanced dead-eyed nutjobs they normally keep in some kind of exercise pen until the next luton v millwall game.

The people i have to hand it to here are without a doubt the English Disco lovers. THAT right there is how you deflate a half-baked indefensible idea fronted by people who can barely tie their own laces- with the FULL respect and gravitas it deserves, in tutus and roller skates listening to ABBA. THAT's the Brighton, and indeed since we're a nation prone to surreal slightly irreverent humour, the England i'm proud of.
Yet again, i find myself equally enraged by the people all common decency says i should be supporting in this disagreement as with those whose outlook on life i find alien and poisonous to the core. I can accept that freedom of speech is a 2 way street, and i accept that there's no way to ban people like the EDL/BNP/MFE from voicing their viewpoints without negating that, in the same way that i truly believe that if i want to unleash a repellent burst of flatulence in a restaurant and i really don't care what people think of me for it, it's my right to make that call knowing that everyone will think i'm a filthy degenerate. What galls me is the people who spend ages sticking badly made stickers up all over brighton, spray painting half-baked derivative banksy ripoff graffiti on residential houses and talking about how they're doing it because they oppose violence and prejudice, but when it comes down to it, they're basically prowling the town in masks throwing chairs and tables owned by local businesses regardless of innocent bystanders, smashing windows, and being unable/unwilling to engage in even the most thinly civilised dissent. All it does is A: justify the EDL's assertions that they're not the troublemakers, B: alienate the locals C: ensure without any shadow of doubt that when the police attend a protest of any sort here, they do so in full on, riot shield mode with the special reserves of red-faced steroid enhanced dead-eyed nutjobs they normally keep in some kind of exercise pen until the next luton v millwall game. The people i have to hand it to here are without a doubt the English Disco lovers. THAT right there is how you deflate a half-baked indefensible idea fronted by people who can barely tie their own laces- with the FULL respect and gravitas it deserves, in tutus and roller skates listening to ABBA. THAT's the Brighton, and indeed since we're a nation prone to surreal slightly irreverent humour, the England i'm proud of. UppityPrimate
  • Score: 30

10:17am Mon 28 Apr 14

Ashles says...

clubrob6 - "UAF is the most violent group in the country and is sadly funded by our government."

I've seen you make this claim a few times.

Do you have evidence for this, or can you explain why you believe this to be the case?
clubrob6 - "UAF is the most violent group in the country and is sadly funded by our government." I've seen you make this claim a few times. Do you have evidence for this, or can you explain why you believe this to be the case? Ashles
  • Score: 8

10:18am Mon 28 Apr 14

Brighton Living says...

I wonder if any other country get the same response if there want to fly there flag and walk down the high street.........and I wonder if pictures could be published without all the aggressiveness.
I wonder if any other country get the same response if there want to fly there flag and walk down the high street.........and I wonder if pictures could be published without all the aggressiveness. Brighton Living
  • Score: 5

10:20am Mon 28 Apr 14

Ashles says...

"The people i have to hand it to here are without a doubt the English Disco lovers. THAT right there is how you deflate a half-baked indefensible idea fronted by people who can barely tie their own laces- with the FULL respect and gravitas it deserves, in tutus and roller skates listening to ABBA. THAT's the Brighton, and indeed since we're a nation prone to surreal slightly irreverent humour, the England i'm proud of."

This.
"The people i have to hand it to here are without a doubt the English Disco lovers. THAT right there is how you deflate a half-baked indefensible idea fronted by people who can barely tie their own laces- with the FULL respect and gravitas it deserves, in tutus and roller skates listening to ABBA. THAT's the Brighton, and indeed since we're a nation prone to surreal slightly irreverent humour, the England i'm proud of." This. Ashles
  • Score: 16

10:23am Mon 28 Apr 14

clubrob6 says...

juleshove wrote:
There is no place for a march like this in our beautiful city. 99% of residents don't want it and this vast majority view should be respected. Both sides in my view are equally repugnant with aggressive extremists on both sides.

message is, march for england supporters and so called anti fascists who are a mixture of extreme left wing types and various Islamist groups with equally nasty views are not wanted here.

if you wish to fight each other do it in a field somewhere a long way away from our city.

greens should be disgusted encouraging these awful people to march here.

Hopefully that awful Lucas woman will never be an MP again after the next election. She is a disgrace to parliament.
Well said that's the point I have been making the trouble comes now from both sides.The MFE attract the extremist element just out for trouble,as does the UAF who have now also attracted an extremist element hiding behind the government funded UAF.Groups like EDL were formed because our troops were abused on coming home parades but they were just extremist and the EDL is just about finished,but unfortunately the UAF have now attracted the very people that used to abuse our troops.So yes both sides are as bad as each other.
[quote][p][bold]juleshove[/bold] wrote: There is no place for a march like this in our beautiful city. 99% of residents don't want it and this vast majority view should be respected. Both sides in my view are equally repugnant with aggressive extremists on both sides. message is, march for england supporters and so called anti fascists who are a mixture of extreme left wing types and various Islamist groups with equally nasty views are not wanted here. if you wish to fight each other do it in a field somewhere a long way away from our city. greens should be disgusted encouraging these awful people to march here. Hopefully that awful Lucas woman will never be an MP again after the next election. She is a disgrace to parliament.[/p][/quote]Well said that's the point I have been making the trouble comes now from both sides.The MFE attract the extremist element just out for trouble,as does the UAF who have now also attracted an extremist element hiding behind the government funded UAF.Groups like EDL were formed because our troops were abused on coming home parades but they were just extremist and the EDL is just about finished,but unfortunately the UAF have now attracted the very people that used to abuse our troops.So yes both sides are as bad as each other. clubrob6
  • Score: -1

10:24am Mon 28 Apr 14

firemanste says...

i watched the marchers and they were well behaved.it was only when the black clad hooligans who had no intention of allowing a march to take place without violence disrupted it.people should be allowed to support what they believe in.we are a multi cultural and diverse city that is unique in itself. the police deserve credit for keeping it a safe city on a difficult day
i watched the marchers and they were well behaved.it was only when the black clad hooligans who had no intention of allowing a march to take place without violence disrupted it.people should be allowed to support what they believe in.we are a multi cultural and diverse city that is unique in itself. the police deserve credit for keeping it a safe city on a difficult day firemanste
  • Score: 15

10:25am Mon 28 Apr 14

The Real Phil says...

It should make us all proud to be British and part of a tolerant democracy that not only do we allow the Nazi filth to hold their parade on our streets, but we also meet the cost of keeping them safe as they do so.
So pitifully low were their numbers one could almost (but not quite) feel sorry for them for looking so ridiculous. There surely must have been several vehicles and a few dozen police officers for each sad little Nazi on the march.
I did witness one funny incident when a group of them accidentally joined the Anti Fascist group and got upset with the police who would not open up the cordon to let them take their rightful place.
It should make us all proud to be British and part of a tolerant democracy that not only do we allow the Nazi filth to hold their parade on our streets, but we also meet the cost of keeping them safe as they do so. So pitifully low were their numbers one could almost (but not quite) feel sorry for them for looking so ridiculous. There surely must have been several vehicles and a few dozen police officers for each sad little Nazi on the march. I did witness one funny incident when a group of them accidentally joined the Anti Fascist group and got upset with the police who would not open up the cordon to let them take their rightful place. The Real Phil
  • Score: 8

10:27am Mon 28 Apr 14

clubrob6 says...

hey mongo wrote:
People have always come to brighton to kick off and cause a bit of mayhem every now and then its nothing new....most people who call themselves brightonians arent from brighton and know hardly anything about the place...when i was a kid about 20 years ago the youth of this town wouldnt stand for these people on either side mfe or uaf and other out of towners walking down west street giving it the large it just wouldnt be stood for...for no other reason than we would protect our terrortories...yeah i know it sounds silly but thats how it was
That's what happens still up north locals wont allow the extremist element from both sides and such occasions are family days for everyone no matter what race,colour ETC.
[quote][p][bold]hey mongo[/bold] wrote: People have always come to brighton to kick off and cause a bit of mayhem every now and then its nothing new....most people who call themselves brightonians arent from brighton and know hardly anything about the place...when i was a kid about 20 years ago the youth of this town wouldnt stand for these people on either side mfe or uaf and other out of towners walking down west street giving it the large it just wouldnt be stood for...for no other reason than we would protect our terrortories...yeah i know it sounds silly but thats how it was[/p][/quote]That's what happens still up north locals wont allow the extremist element from both sides and such occasions are family days for everyone no matter what race,colour ETC. clubrob6
  • Score: 2

10:28am Mon 28 Apr 14

hey mongo says...

Question for UAF supporters and members....this a genuine question which i dont know the answer to...you must admit that there is a small number of muslim/islam preachers of hate who openly do demonstrations who stand for things which is totally against any normal persons beliefs sharia law death to the uk etc...so in the interests of fairness you should also turn up at these demonstrations and do tour thing as well? You cant say its unacceptable for meatheads to march around with england flags yet do nothing about preachers of hate who have fascist ideas for themselves?? Maybe this happens i would like to know...
Question for UAF supporters and members....this a genuine question which i dont know the answer to...you must admit that there is a small number of muslim/islam preachers of hate who openly do demonstrations who stand for things which is totally against any normal persons beliefs sharia law death to the uk etc...so in the interests of fairness you should also turn up at these demonstrations and do tour thing as well? You cant say its unacceptable for meatheads to march around with england flags yet do nothing about preachers of hate who have fascist ideas for themselves?? Maybe this happens i would like to know... hey mongo
  • Score: 25

10:28am Mon 28 Apr 14

_craig says...

I do not endorse the MFE (AT ALL)

BUT

The Anti Protestors simply play into the hands of them, it would be far better to give them no coverage, no attention and not recognise them.

This is exactly what they want, you can only have an argument or disagreement if there are 2 sides - simply ignore them, don't rise to them and they will have none to protest to.

As for Caroline Lucas being there - well what do you expect, maybe she would be better trying to influence the council to do a better job and lead by example. Maybe then Brighton wouldn't be looking so derelict in places...
I do not endorse the MFE (AT ALL) BUT The Anti Protestors simply play into the hands of them, it would be far better to give them no coverage, no attention and not recognise them. This is exactly what they want, you can only have an argument or disagreement if there are 2 sides - simply ignore them, don't rise to them and they will have none to protest to. As for Caroline Lucas being there - well what do you expect, maybe she would be better trying to influence the council to do a better job and lead by example. Maybe then Brighton wouldn't be looking so derelict in places... _craig
  • Score: 17

10:34am Mon 28 Apr 14

KarenT says...

It made a killing with my balaclava pop-up shop. I make them so that they unravel the moment they come into contact with dirty greasy hair, so they all have to come back next year for a new one, which they always do.
It made a killing with my balaclava pop-up shop. I make them so that they unravel the moment they come into contact with dirty greasy hair, so they all have to come back next year for a new one, which they always do. KarenT
  • Score: -7

10:35am Mon 28 Apr 14

B rian Tawses left foot says...

Ashles says...


B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
.Quote » Report this post » ... 9:10am Mon 28 Apr 14 Ashles says... B rian Tawses left foot wrote: B rian Tawses left foot says... Thank God decent, right thinking English men and women are prepared to stand up for their country and it's traditional values and march for these things. A pity that the ruling class of this country have taken it down the road of mass immigration and - the only 'beneficiaries' are employers who now preside over a 'minimum wage' economy. The rest of us are forced to live in a 'multi-cultural' hell hole where even using public transport is akin to being forced into a mobile Tower of Babel - English being the one tongue you are unlikely to hear. "decent, right thinking English men and women are prepared to stand up for their country and it's traditional values and march for these things" Please enlighten us as to what these values are? They certainly weren't displaying any on the march. I'm wondering if you can explain what these values are that the Marchers are promoting? No-one else has been able to explain yet. Bonus points if you can describe actual positive English values instead of criticisms of other races/cultures. Freedom of expression is a very positive English value - paradoxically it was a Frenchman - Voltaire - who expressed it most eloquently. 'I disagree with what you say but defend to the death your right to say it.' Whilst continental Europe has suffered fascism and communism - under which freedom of expression does not exist, Britain has a long and justifiably proud history of defending this freedom. It is a freedom upon which all other freedoms rely for their existence. Of course in many Asian countries freedom of expression does not exist at all - either because it is forbidden by the government - or because some theistic religion forbids it because it runs contrary it's strictures. In Britain these things are under threat from the absurdity of 'political correctness' and a ruling class who favour immigration to keep wages low. What most people in the world want to be prosperous and free. For most of our recent history we have been prosperous and free. If we carry on down the present road we shall become poor and enslaved. If people are prepared to get off their backsides and march to show their disapproval of the nonsensical direction their governments have been taking them for the last 70 years then all power to them.
Thanks Brian for your response to my request for what you consider to be English values.

The first one you mention is "Freedom of expression".
Well that's great. I wholeheartedly agree.
But there's a couple of issues with that.
Clearly the MfE absolutely DO have freedom of expression. So that's not something that has been removed from them (you don't have the right to commit violence in the streets, or incitement to violenece or hatred, but that's another issue - one that applies to both sides).
Freedom of speech and expression is already ingrained in law and no-one is looking to remove that - but it is primarily a vehicle for communicating your values.
So it appears you support the method by which one can expres one's English values, but still haven't mentioned what those actual values are (unless it is the freedom to express your love of freedom of speech which is meritorious but at the same time slightly tautological).

But remember freedom of speech is a double-edged sword - it also grants equal speech to everyone. From all cultures and races. So if you support it you must support it for all.

"What most people in the world want to be prosperous and free. For most of our recent history we have been prosperous and free. If we carry on down the present road we shall become poor and enslaved."
There's the massive logical jump. The casual little claim so beloved by UKIP, that has no logic behind it.
Why will you become poor and enslaved? I don't feel in any danger of this whatsoever. I work hard. I have taught myself a variety of skills.
I would (and have) happily compete for a job with anyone from anywhere.
Nobody owes you a job. You have to earn it.
It sounds like the issue you have is not with foreigners or with the government, but the concept of capitalism itself. And that's going to take more than a march to undo.

Also... 'enslaved'? Please, explain that in some detail. That's a really odd claim.

So, emotive language aside, all we have here is a baseless claim.
(Also I notice you have already moved away from my request to actually detail English values.)

"If people are prepared to get off their backsides and march to show their disapproval of the nonsensical direction their governments have been taking them for the last 70 years then all power to them."
You are sweepingly criticising the approach of EVERY single government of the last 70 years? Wow.

Okay i'm keen to know what political approach you would choose this country to take instead.
I can only think something akin to North Korea's isolationist approach is what you are proposing.
Can you clarify?

Certainly. North Korea is the country in the world I would least like to live in. Freedom and big government are simply not compatible- this something that Americans in particular are coming to understand - thus the emergence of the 'Tea Party' and original thinking politicians like Ron Paul. This has particular resonance for us because ALL, yes all governments in Britain have taken us on ruinous path. At the end of WW2 we awarded ourselves a welfare state we could not afford and embarked on a course of mass immigration. The result? If this country was a company it would be declared bankrupt. A bankrupt country with large areas of our cities turned into ethnically based ghettos. Can you think of a scenario more likely to produce social conflict, economic failure and a curtailment of civil liberties? The right to speak out against - and march against this is essential. It is not an abstract thing, as you seem to suggest, but the inalienable right of every Englishman won over centuries.
Ashles says... B rian Tawses left foot wrote: .Quote » Report this post » ... 9:10am Mon 28 Apr 14 Ashles says... B rian Tawses left foot wrote: B rian Tawses left foot says... Thank God decent, right thinking English men and women are prepared to stand up for their country and it's traditional values and march for these things. A pity that the ruling class of this country have taken it down the road of mass immigration and - the only 'beneficiaries' are employers who now preside over a 'minimum wage' economy. The rest of us are forced to live in a 'multi-cultural' hell hole where even using public transport is akin to being forced into a mobile Tower of Babel - English being the one tongue you are unlikely to hear. "decent, right thinking English men and women are prepared to stand up for their country and it's traditional values and march for these things" Please enlighten us as to what these values are? They certainly weren't displaying any on the march. I'm wondering if you can explain what these values are that the Marchers are promoting? No-one else has been able to explain yet. Bonus points if you can describe actual positive English values instead of criticisms of other races/cultures. Freedom of expression is a very positive English value - paradoxically it was a Frenchman - Voltaire - who expressed it most eloquently. 'I disagree with what you say but defend to the death your right to say it.' Whilst continental Europe has suffered fascism and communism - under which freedom of expression does not exist, Britain has a long and justifiably proud history of defending this freedom. It is a freedom upon which all other freedoms rely for their existence. Of course in many Asian countries freedom of expression does not exist at all - either because it is forbidden by the government - or because some theistic religion forbids it because it runs contrary it's strictures. In Britain these things are under threat from the absurdity of 'political correctness' and a ruling class who favour immigration to keep wages low. What most people in the world want to be prosperous and free. For most of our recent history we have been prosperous and free. If we carry on down the present road we shall become poor and enslaved. If people are prepared to get off their backsides and march to show their disapproval of the nonsensical direction their governments have been taking them for the last 70 years then all power to them. Thanks Brian for your response to my request for what you consider to be English values. The first one you mention is "Freedom of expression". Well that's great. I wholeheartedly agree. But there's a couple of issues with that. Clearly the MfE absolutely DO have freedom of expression. So that's not something that has been removed from them (you don't have the right to commit violence in the streets, or incitement to violenece or hatred, but that's another issue - one that applies to both sides). Freedom of speech and expression is already ingrained in law and no-one is looking to remove that - but it is primarily a vehicle for communicating your values. So it appears you support the method by which one can expres one's English values, but still haven't mentioned what those actual values are (unless it is the freedom to express your love of freedom of speech which is meritorious but at the same time slightly tautological). But remember freedom of speech is a double-edged sword - it also grants equal speech to everyone. From all cultures and races. So if you support it you must support it for all. "What most people in the world want to be prosperous and free. For most of our recent history we have been prosperous and free. If we carry on down the present road we shall become poor and enslaved." There's the massive logical jump. The casual little claim so beloved by UKIP, that has no logic behind it. Why will you become poor and enslaved? I don't feel in any danger of this whatsoever. I work hard. I have taught myself a variety of skills. I would (and have) happily compete for a job with anyone from anywhere. Nobody owes you a job. You have to earn it. It sounds like the issue you have is not with foreigners or with the government, but the concept of capitalism itself. And that's going to take more than a march to undo. Also... 'enslaved'? Please, explain that in some detail. That's a really odd claim. So, emotive language aside, all we have here is a baseless claim. (Also I notice you have already moved away from my request to actually detail English values.) "If people are prepared to get off their backsides and march to show their disapproval of the nonsensical direction their governments have been taking them for the last 70 years then all power to them." You are sweepingly criticising the approach of EVERY single government of the last 70 years? Wow. Okay i'm keen to know what political approach you would choose this country to take instead. I can only think something akin to North Korea's isolationist approach is what you are proposing. Can you clarify? Certainly. North Korea is the country in the world I would least like to live in. Freedom and big government are simply not compatible- this something that Americans in particular are coming to understand - thus the emergence of the 'Tea Party' and original thinking politicians like Ron Paul. This has particular resonance for us because ALL, yes all governments in Britain have taken us on ruinous path. At the end of WW2 we awarded ourselves a welfare state we could not afford and embarked on a course of mass immigration. The result? If this country was a company it would be declared bankrupt. A bankrupt country with large areas of our cities turned into ethnically based ghettos. Can you think of a scenario more likely to produce social conflict, economic failure and a curtailment of civil liberties? The right to speak out against - and march against this is essential. It is not an abstract thing, as you seem to suggest, but the inalienable right of every Englishman won over centuries. B rian Tawses left foot
  • Score: -5

10:38am Mon 28 Apr 14

clubrob6 says...

Fight_Back wrote:
eldiablo wrote:
So where were the arrests for giving Nazi salutes? Thought they had been specifically prohibited this year and I witnessed a lot of the EDL thugs making them in full sight of the police
Maybe the police had other pressing matters to deal with like arresting cowardly lefties who even hide their faces they are so proud of their cause.

BOTH groups are repugnant vile animals who don't deserve the right to protest. Hopefully the courts will set examples as the animals that were arrested come to trial. Both the Police and the courts should be given the same powers to deal with these mindless morons as they were given during the London riots.
Well said both sides attract the extremist element but this year the police came down heavy on anyone wearing a face covering,which is correct as if you cant show your face in public you should not be allowed to protest in public on BOTH sides.Hopefully more arrests will be made from people breaking the Law from video footage.But people must know the trouble comes from BOTH side especially from the now took over by extremists UAF I call them Unite Against Freedom as they are violent even at UKIP events anyone they don't agree with.
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eldiablo[/bold] wrote: So where were the arrests for giving Nazi salutes? Thought they had been specifically prohibited this year and I witnessed a lot of the EDL thugs making them in full sight of the police[/p][/quote]Maybe the police had other pressing matters to deal with like arresting cowardly lefties who even hide their faces they are so proud of their cause. BOTH groups are repugnant vile animals who don't deserve the right to protest. Hopefully the courts will set examples as the animals that were arrested come to trial. Both the Police and the courts should be given the same powers to deal with these mindless morons as they were given during the London riots.[/p][/quote]Well said both sides attract the extremist element but this year the police came down heavy on anyone wearing a face covering,which is correct as if you cant show your face in public you should not be allowed to protest in public on BOTH sides.Hopefully more arrests will be made from people breaking the Law from video footage.But people must know the trouble comes from BOTH side especially from the now took over by extremists UAF I call them Unite Against Freedom as they are violent even at UKIP events anyone they don't agree with. clubrob6
  • Score: 6

10:46am Mon 28 Apr 14

clubrob6 says...

Fight_Back wrote:
Andy R wrote:
DC Brighton wrote:
Couldn't they all have been directed over that dodgy bit of road on the seafront?
And by "all" I mean both the soap dodgers and the skinheads.
Why should it be forced upon the same city every year? Freedom of speech is one thing, but I can't imagine too many Brighton residents are pleased to have this foisted upon them - except media-desperate Caroline Lucas (if she lives in Brighton at all).

Oh yeah, and the same goes for sponsored bike rides. The London to Brighton is fine since it has tradition on its side. All the others should go via Worthing, Eastbourne, Littlehampton etc.
I was on the counter demo and I am not a "soap dodger". In fact I took a shower as soon as I got home. A very necessary action after a spending any time at all up close and personal with the "March for England".
Then people like you and Lucas are as vile and repugnant as the MfE marchers. STOP the violence !!!!!!!!!!!
Most anti fascist people who represent themselves are peaceful it the UAF that is government funded that has now attracted the extremist element.Even one of Lee Rigby's murderers was a speaker at UAF events.Failed groups like EDL were formed because our troops were abused on coming home marches unfortunately the very people that used to abuse our troops I think are now hiding behind the UAF name.Perhaps its time to stop this MFE due to the extremist element from both side but the violence from the UAF should not go un-noticed.
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DC Brighton[/bold] wrote: Couldn't they all have been directed over that dodgy bit of road on the seafront? And by "all" I mean both the soap dodgers and the skinheads. Why should it be forced upon the same city every year? Freedom of speech is one thing, but I can't imagine too many Brighton residents are pleased to have this foisted upon them - except media-desperate Caroline Lucas (if she lives in Brighton at all). Oh yeah, and the same goes for sponsored bike rides. The London to Brighton is fine since it has tradition on its side. All the others should go via Worthing, Eastbourne, Littlehampton etc.[/p][/quote]I was on the counter demo and I am not a "soap dodger". In fact I took a shower as soon as I got home. A very necessary action after a spending any time at all up close and personal with the "March for England".[/p][/quote]Then people like you and Lucas are as vile and repugnant as the MfE marchers. STOP the violence !!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Most anti fascist people who represent themselves are peaceful it the UAF that is government funded that has now attracted the extremist element.Even one of Lee Rigby's murderers was a speaker at UAF events.Failed groups like EDL were formed because our troops were abused on coming home marches unfortunately the very people that used to abuse our troops I think are now hiding behind the UAF name.Perhaps its time to stop this MFE due to the extremist element from both side but the violence from the UAF should not go un-noticed. clubrob6
  • Score: -6

10:52am Mon 28 Apr 14

roystony says...

I think there should be an anti green / hippie / squatter march soon.

They were the ones who caused most of the trouble!!

I love the way they protest against everything if they don't get their way.

They are not even born here, wish they would f off.
I think there should be an anti green / hippie / squatter march soon. They were the ones who caused most of the trouble!! I love the way they protest against everything if they don't get their way. They are not even born here, wish they would f off. roystony
  • Score: -10

10:53am Mon 28 Apr 14

clubrob6 says...

Arrggh wrote:
clubrob6 wrote:
Terry K wrote:
Well done march for England, it's funny how lefty liberals say nothing about the annual crimesfest that is the Notting hill carnival, celebrating not British but Caribbean culture and costing taxpayers around £4 million pound in policing bills, and often features murders, rape and muggings, yet when an Englishmen wants to display his patriotic side it's deemed racist.

These marchers should be allowed to march anywhere they like once a year! the Notting hill carnival disrupts business for THREE days yet no one say's anything. objectors must be racists against the English for some reason.
These marches do occur further north and they are family events they are peaceful for all of the community.The only time such events turn violent is when the UAF,Unite Against Freedom who have now unfortunately been taken over by an extremist element attends.The UAF even attend UKIP events now to stir up there hatred.The MFE in Brighton has lost its way and just attracts extremists from both sides.But notice the Argus is not saying which side the arrests are from protecting the UAF.
To be fair to the Argus the police figures aren't broken down that way but if you want to work it out if the address listed isn't Brighton then more likely MfE.
WRONG the UAF travel the country at any events they disagree with,there latest targets are UKIP events.I think we would find that the vast majority of the people causing violence are from outside of B&H,and most of them are usually the UAF.
[quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Terry K[/bold] wrote: Well done march for England, it's funny how lefty liberals say nothing about the annual crimesfest that is the Notting hill carnival, celebrating not British but Caribbean culture and costing taxpayers around £4 million pound in policing bills, and often features murders, rape and muggings, yet when an Englishmen wants to display his patriotic side it's deemed racist. These marchers should be allowed to march anywhere they like once a year! the Notting hill carnival disrupts business for THREE days yet no one say's anything. objectors must be racists against the English for some reason.[/p][/quote]These marches do occur further north and they are family events they are peaceful for all of the community.The only time such events turn violent is when the UAF,Unite Against Freedom who have now unfortunately been taken over by an extremist element attends.The UAF even attend UKIP events now to stir up there hatred.The MFE in Brighton has lost its way and just attracts extremists from both sides.But notice the Argus is not saying which side the arrests are from protecting the UAF.[/p][/quote]To be fair to the Argus the police figures aren't broken down that way but if you want to work it out if the address listed isn't Brighton then more likely MfE.[/p][/quote]WRONG the UAF travel the country at any events they disagree with,there latest targets are UKIP events.I think we would find that the vast majority of the people causing violence are from outside of B&H,and most of them are usually the UAF. clubrob6
  • Score: 7

10:55am Mon 28 Apr 14

clubrob6 says...

Ashles wrote:
clubrob6 - "UAF is the most violent group in the country and is sadly funded by our government."

I've seen you make this claim a few times.

Do you have evidence for this, or can you explain why you believe this to be the case?
Look on there website they even list Cameron as one of there supporters.
[quote][p][bold]Ashles[/bold] wrote: clubrob6 - "UAF is the most violent group in the country and is sadly funded by our government." I've seen you make this claim a few times. Do you have evidence for this, or can you explain why you believe this to be the case?[/p][/quote]Look on there website they even list Cameron as one of there supporters. clubrob6
  • Score: 6

10:55am Mon 28 Apr 14

Ashles says...

"the emergence of the 'Tea Party' and original thinking politicians like Ron Paul"
Being a racist and a moron is hardly an 'original' stance.
The Tea Party are equally mocked and widely lambasted in the US as the BNP here. The Tea Party have the same continual embarassment when their members do/say something stupid as UKIP do. They're a conservative's wet dream but even less likely to ever achieve anything in the US than UKIP are here (the US is more multicutural than the UK).

"A bankrupt country"
(it isn't nor even close to it)
"with large areas of our cities turned into ethnically based ghettos."
All major cities have this. it's a fairly natural development and not one to fear. There are always areas of significant crime but these are more likely to do with socio-economic factors and as likely to be filled with white inhabitants than other.

Anyway what's your alternative? That they all be encouraged to mix equally everywhere? Lovely - true multicuturalism. No ghettos.

But if not that then what? You don't want big government, you don't want liberal welfare state, you don't want isolationism, you don't want a religious based government, you don't support the influence of business...
I can see lots of things you dopn't want, but I'm still waiting for you to propose something that you DO want.
What political approach would you suggest the country employs?
"the emergence of the 'Tea Party' and original thinking politicians like Ron Paul" Being a racist and a moron is hardly an 'original' stance. The Tea Party are equally mocked and widely lambasted in the US as the BNP here. The Tea Party have the same continual embarassment when their members do/say something stupid as UKIP do. They're a conservative's wet dream but even less likely to ever achieve anything in the US than UKIP are here (the US is more multicutural than the UK). "A bankrupt country" (it isn't nor even close to it) "with large areas of our cities turned into ethnically based ghettos." All major cities have this. it's a fairly natural development and not one to fear. There are always areas of significant crime but these are more likely to do with socio-economic factors and as likely to be filled with white inhabitants than other. Anyway what's your alternative? That they all be encouraged to mix equally everywhere? Lovely - true multicuturalism. No ghettos. But if not that then what? You don't want big government, you don't want liberal welfare state, you don't want isolationism, you don't want a religious based government, you don't support the influence of business... I can see lots of things you dopn't want, but I'm still waiting for you to propose something that you DO want. What political approach would you suggest the country employs? Ashles
  • Score: 4

10:58am Mon 28 Apr 14

JHunty says...

Andy R wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
Andy R wrote:
DC Brighton wrote:
Couldn't they all have been directed over that dodgy bit of road on the seafront?
And by "all" I mean both the soap dodgers and the skinheads.
Why should it be forced upon the same city every year? Freedom of speech is one thing, but I can't imagine too many Brighton residents are pleased to have this foisted upon them - except media-desperate Caroline Lucas (if she lives in Brighton at all).

Oh yeah, and the same goes for sponsored bike rides. The London to Brighton is fine since it has tradition on its side. All the others should go via Worthing, Eastbourne, Littlehampton etc.
I was on the counter demo and I am not a "soap dodger". In fact I took a shower as soon as I got home. A very necessary action after a spending any time at all up close and personal with the "March for England".
Then people like you and Lucas are as vile and repugnant as the MfE marchers. STOP the violence !!!!!!!!!!!
"Fight_Back" thnks I'm "vile" and "repugnant".



I think I'll get over it.
Were you there when your mates attacked the WPC? Did you help her or stand there chanting about who killed Mark Duggan?
[quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DC Brighton[/bold] wrote: Couldn't they all have been directed over that dodgy bit of road on the seafront? And by "all" I mean both the soap dodgers and the skinheads. Why should it be forced upon the same city every year? Freedom of speech is one thing, but I can't imagine too many Brighton residents are pleased to have this foisted upon them - except media-desperate Caroline Lucas (if she lives in Brighton at all). Oh yeah, and the same goes for sponsored bike rides. The London to Brighton is fine since it has tradition on its side. All the others should go via Worthing, Eastbourne, Littlehampton etc.[/p][/quote]I was on the counter demo and I am not a "soap dodger". In fact I took a shower as soon as I got home. A very necessary action after a spending any time at all up close and personal with the "March for England".[/p][/quote]Then people like you and Lucas are as vile and repugnant as the MfE marchers. STOP the violence !!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]"Fight_Back" thnks I'm "vile" and "repugnant". I think I'll get over it.[/p][/quote]Were you there when your mates attacked the WPC? Did you help her or stand there chanting about who killed Mark Duggan? JHunty
  • Score: 10

10:59am Mon 28 Apr 14

clubrob6 says...

Brighton Living wrote:
I wonder if any other country get the same response if there want to fly there flag and walk down the high street.........and I wonder if pictures could be published without all the aggressiveness.
Further north the flag does not offend.
[quote][p][bold]Brighton Living[/bold] wrote: I wonder if any other country get the same response if there want to fly there flag and walk down the high street.........and I wonder if pictures could be published without all the aggressiveness.[/p][/quote]Further north the flag does not offend. clubrob6
  • Score: 4

11:00am Mon 28 Apr 14

Andy R says...

clubrob6 wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
Andy R wrote:
DC Brighton wrote:
Couldn't they all have been directed over that dodgy bit of road on the seafront?
And by "all" I mean both the soap dodgers and the skinheads.
Why should it be forced upon the same city every year? Freedom of speech is one thing, but I can't imagine too many Brighton residents are pleased to have this foisted upon them - except media-desperate Caroline Lucas (if she lives in Brighton at all).

Oh yeah, and the same goes for sponsored bike rides. The London to Brighton is fine since it has tradition on its side. All the others should go via Worthing, Eastbourne, Littlehampton etc.
I was on the counter demo and I am not a "soap dodger". In fact I took a shower as soon as I got home. A very necessary action after a spending any time at all up close and personal with the "March for England".
Then people like you and Lucas are as vile and repugnant as the MfE marchers. STOP the violence !!!!!!!!!!!
Most anti fascist people who represent themselves are peaceful it the UAF that is government funded that has now attracted the extremist element.Even one of Lee Rigby's murderers was a speaker at UAF events.Failed groups like EDL were formed because our troops were abused on coming home marches unfortunately the very people that used to abuse our troops I think are now hiding behind the UAF name.Perhaps its time to stop this MFE due to the extremist element from both side but the violence from the UAF should not go un-noticed.
You really do just make stuff up as you go along don't you? The formation of EDL was nothing to do with "troops being abused on coming home marches". This has happened about twice (down to a handful of people on each occasion) and the pre-existing EDL simply latched onto it, just as they latch onto the murder of Lee Rigby (completely indifferent to the protests of his family of course). It's a variation on the old myth of US soldiers being abused when returning from Vietnam.

And again you repeat this claim about UAF being "Government-funded" but make no attempt to justify this absurd claim despite someone else asking you to up-thread. It might be interesting to see what contortions of fact and logic you come up with to try and evidence it.
[quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DC Brighton[/bold] wrote: Couldn't they all have been directed over that dodgy bit of road on the seafront? And by "all" I mean both the soap dodgers and the skinheads. Why should it be forced upon the same city every year? Freedom of speech is one thing, but I can't imagine too many Brighton residents are pleased to have this foisted upon them - except media-desperate Caroline Lucas (if she lives in Brighton at all). Oh yeah, and the same goes for sponsored bike rides. The London to Brighton is fine since it has tradition on its side. All the others should go via Worthing, Eastbourne, Littlehampton etc.[/p][/quote]I was on the counter demo and I am not a "soap dodger". In fact I took a shower as soon as I got home. A very necessary action after a spending any time at all up close and personal with the "March for England".[/p][/quote]Then people like you and Lucas are as vile and repugnant as the MfE marchers. STOP the violence !!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Most anti fascist people who represent themselves are peaceful it the UAF that is government funded that has now attracted the extremist element.Even one of Lee Rigby's murderers was a speaker at UAF events.Failed groups like EDL were formed because our troops were abused on coming home marches unfortunately the very people that used to abuse our troops I think are now hiding behind the UAF name.Perhaps its time to stop this MFE due to the extremist element from both side but the violence from the UAF should not go un-noticed.[/p][/quote]You really do just make stuff up as you go along don't you? The formation of EDL was nothing to do with "troops being abused on coming home marches". This has happened about twice (down to a handful of people on each occasion) and the pre-existing EDL simply latched onto it, just as they latch onto the murder of Lee Rigby (completely indifferent to the protests of his family of course). It's a variation on the old myth of US soldiers being abused when returning from Vietnam. And again you repeat this claim about UAF being "Government-funded" but make no attempt to justify this absurd claim despite someone else asking you to up-thread. It might be interesting to see what contortions of fact and logic you come up with to try and evidence it. Andy R
  • Score: -2

11:00am Mon 28 Apr 14

fred clause says...

Terry K wrote:
Well done march for England, it's funny how lefty liberals say nothing about the annual crimesfest that is the Notting hill carnival, celebrating not British but Caribbean culture and costing taxpayers around £4 million pound in policing bills, and often features murders, rape and muggings, yet when an Englishmen wants to display his patriotic side it's deemed racist. These marchers should be allowed to march anywhere they like once a year! the Notting hill carnival disrupts business for THREE days yet no one say's anything. objectors must be racists against the English for some reason.
You do realise your not English but descended from somewhere else dont you thought not #Toostuipdtoundersta
nd
[quote][p][bold]Terry K[/bold] wrote: Well done march for England, it's funny how lefty liberals say nothing about the annual crimesfest that is the Notting hill carnival, celebrating not British but Caribbean culture and costing taxpayers around £4 million pound in policing bills, and often features murders, rape and muggings, yet when an Englishmen wants to display his patriotic side it's deemed racist. These marchers should be allowed to march anywhere they like once a year! the Notting hill carnival disrupts business for THREE days yet no one say's anything. objectors must be racists against the English for some reason.[/p][/quote]You do realise your not English but descended from somewhere else dont you thought not #Toostuipdtoundersta nd fred clause
  • Score: 2

11:02am Mon 28 Apr 14

clubrob6 says...

JHunty wrote:
Andy R wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
Andy R wrote:
DC Brighton wrote:
Couldn't they all have been directed over that dodgy bit of road on the seafront?
And by "all" I mean both the soap dodgers and the skinheads.
Why should it be forced upon the same city every year? Freedom of speech is one thing, but I can't imagine too many Brighton residents are pleased to have this foisted upon them - except media-desperate Caroline Lucas (if she lives in Brighton at all).

Oh yeah, and the same goes for sponsored bike rides. The London to Brighton is fine since it has tradition on its side. All the others should go via Worthing, Eastbourne, Littlehampton etc.
I was on the counter demo and I am not a "soap dodger". In fact I took a shower as soon as I got home. A very necessary action after a spending any time at all up close and personal with the "March for England".
Then people like you and Lucas are as vile and repugnant as the MfE marchers. STOP the violence !!!!!!!!!!!
"Fight_Back" thnks I'm "vile" and "repugnant".



I think I'll get over it.
Were you there when your mates attacked the WPC? Did you help her or stand there chanting about who killed Mark Duggan?
My point exactly the UAF have been took over by extremists.
[quote][p][bold]JHunty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DC Brighton[/bold] wrote: Couldn't they all have been directed over that dodgy bit of road on the seafront? And by "all" I mean both the soap dodgers and the skinheads. Why should it be forced upon the same city every year? Freedom of speech is one thing, but I can't imagine too many Brighton residents are pleased to have this foisted upon them - except media-desperate Caroline Lucas (if she lives in Brighton at all). Oh yeah, and the same goes for sponsored bike rides. The London to Brighton is fine since it has tradition on its side. All the others should go via Worthing, Eastbourne, Littlehampton etc.[/p][/quote]I was on the counter demo and I am not a "soap dodger". In fact I took a shower as soon as I got home. A very necessary action after a spending any time at all up close and personal with the "March for England".[/p][/quote]Then people like you and Lucas are as vile and repugnant as the MfE marchers. STOP the violence !!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]"Fight_Back" thnks I'm "vile" and "repugnant". I think I'll get over it.[/p][/quote]Were you there when your mates attacked the WPC? Did you help her or stand there chanting about who killed Mark Duggan?[/p][/quote]My point exactly the UAF have been took over by extremists. clubrob6
  • Score: 3

11:02am Mon 28 Apr 14

Andy R says...

JHunty wrote:
Andy R wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
Andy R wrote:
DC Brighton wrote:
Couldn't they all have been directed over that dodgy bit of road on the seafront?
And by "all" I mean both the soap dodgers and the skinheads.
Why should it be forced upon the same city every year? Freedom of speech is one thing, but I can't imagine too many Brighton residents are pleased to have this foisted upon them - except media-desperate Caroline Lucas (if she lives in Brighton at all).

Oh yeah, and the same goes for sponsored bike rides. The London to Brighton is fine since it has tradition on its side. All the others should go via Worthing, Eastbourne, Littlehampton etc.
I was on the counter demo and I am not a "soap dodger". In fact I took a shower as soon as I got home. A very necessary action after a spending any time at all up close and personal with the "March for England".
Then people like you and Lucas are as vile and repugnant as the MfE marchers. STOP the violence !!!!!!!!!!!
"Fight_Back" thnks I'm "vile" and "repugnant".



I think I'll get over it.
Were you there when your mates attacked the WPC? Did you help her or stand there chanting about who killed Mark Duggan?
Well one thing's for sure....you won't have been there. But I guess you'll soon be faithfully regurgitating the EDL's propaganda as always.
[quote][p][bold]JHunty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DC Brighton[/bold] wrote: Couldn't they all have been directed over that dodgy bit of road on the seafront? And by "all" I mean both the soap dodgers and the skinheads. Why should it be forced upon the same city every year? Freedom of speech is one thing, but I can't imagine too many Brighton residents are pleased to have this foisted upon them - except media-desperate Caroline Lucas (if she lives in Brighton at all). Oh yeah, and the same goes for sponsored bike rides. The London to Brighton is fine since it has tradition on its side. All the others should go via Worthing, Eastbourne, Littlehampton etc.[/p][/quote]I was on the counter demo and I am not a "soap dodger". In fact I took a shower as soon as I got home. A very necessary action after a spending any time at all up close and personal with the "March for England".[/p][/quote]Then people like you and Lucas are as vile and repugnant as the MfE marchers. STOP the violence !!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]"Fight_Back" thnks I'm "vile" and "repugnant". I think I'll get over it.[/p][/quote]Were you there when your mates attacked the WPC? Did you help her or stand there chanting about who killed Mark Duggan?[/p][/quote]Well one thing's for sure....you won't have been there. But I guess you'll soon be faithfully regurgitating the EDL's propaganda as always. Andy R
  • Score: 0

11:04am Mon 28 Apr 14

JHunty says...

HJarrs wrote:
Terry K wrote:
Well done march for England, it's funny how lefty liberals say nothing about the annual crimesfest that is the Notting hill carnival, celebrating not British but Caribbean culture and costing taxpayers around £4 million pound in policing bills, and often features murders, rape and muggings, yet when an Englishmen wants to display his patriotic side it's deemed racist.

These marchers should be allowed to march anywhere they like once a year! the Notting hill carnival disrupts business for THREE days yet no one say's anything. objectors must be racists against the English for some reason.
Where you the one local on the mfe? Or are you not local?
Sorry HJARRS do you have a problem with people who are not local? Your remark makes it sound like you do. Do you think they don't have the same rights as locals, that they shouldn't come here with their strange non local,ways? Do you think the influx of non locals into Brighton should be controlled and that when they come here they should respect local ways?
The same argument about non locals on Smashedo and anti fracking protests was shouted down by Andy R and loads of others, the right to protest being sacred and all that so strange you should raise it as an issue. You can thanks Ben Duncan he's the one who,called on people to make Brighton a centre of protest.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Terry K[/bold] wrote: Well done march for England, it's funny how lefty liberals say nothing about the annual crimesfest that is the Notting hill carnival, celebrating not British but Caribbean culture and costing taxpayers around £4 million pound in policing bills, and often features murders, rape and muggings, yet when an Englishmen wants to display his patriotic side it's deemed racist. These marchers should be allowed to march anywhere they like once a year! the Notting hill carnival disrupts business for THREE days yet no one say's anything. objectors must be racists against the English for some reason.[/p][/quote]Where you the one local on the mfe? Or are you not local?[/p][/quote]Sorry HJARRS do you have a problem with people who are not local? Your remark makes it sound like you do. Do you think they don't have the same rights as locals, that they shouldn't come here with their strange non local,ways? Do you think the influx of non locals into Brighton should be controlled and that when they come here they should respect local ways? The same argument about non locals on Smashedo and anti fracking protests was shouted down by Andy R and loads of others, the right to protest being sacred and all that so strange you should raise it as an issue. You can thanks Ben Duncan he's the one who,called on people to make Brighton a centre of protest. JHunty
  • Score: -12

11:05am Mon 28 Apr 14

ON THE RIVET says...

Firstly I would like to apologise on commenting on this English situation as being Welsh I might not be seen by some as having the right to talk about English matters. Then again I have been living in Brighton now for 19 years so I feel some sort of leeway should be given to me to comment on this March for England. Although I do understand that just because I have been living in Brighton for 19 years some might feel that I should go back to the country I came from I want to just put some ideas forward about the March and would also like some answers to my thinkng.

I am going to put this as simply as I can and welcome comments.
I believe in the right to free speech but who allowed this march to go ahead ? Some one somewhere signed it off and allowed it to go ahead. ? ? who was it anybody know ?

Another question is :-
Do Brighton residents now have to foot the policing bill for this march ?

With only around 150 people marching on a concept that most find worrying and somewhat dangerous to society, should the EDL be allowed to cause such havoc in Brighton or anywhere else with a march ?

Can't we have this march banned and something more positive allowed in its place? Closing down most of the seafront road for up to 8 hours is not right when it's only about 150 people marching. If they have courage of their conviction then we don't need to be policing this march at the cost of the tax payer.

Just think what could of happened there instead. What about a cycle race or some other sporting activity for people of Brighton to enjoy.

How about a multicultural day instead.
Oh I think I have come up with an idea for a march. March for Multiculturality. We could have that instead, sounds a lot better and I bet more people would march on that idea.

Anyway let me know who it was that allowed this march to go ahead if you know. I would like to speak to them face to face to make sure this march never happens again at least in Brighton.
Firstly I would like to apologise on commenting on this English situation as being Welsh I might not be seen by some as having the right to talk about English matters. Then again I have been living in Brighton now for 19 years so I feel some sort of leeway should be given to me to comment on this March for England. Although I do understand that just because I have been living in Brighton for 19 years some might feel that I should go back to the country I came from I want to just put some ideas forward about the March and would also like some answers to my thinkng. I am going to put this as simply as I can and welcome comments. I believe in the right to free speech but who allowed this march to go ahead ? Some one somewhere signed it off and allowed it to go ahead. ? ? who was it anybody know ? Another question is :- Do Brighton residents now have to foot the policing bill for this march ? With only around 150 people marching on a concept that most find worrying and somewhat dangerous to society, should the EDL be allowed to cause such havoc in Brighton or anywhere else with a march ? Can't we have this march banned and something more positive allowed in its place? Closing down most of the seafront road for up to 8 hours is not right when it's only about 150 people marching. If they have courage of their conviction then we don't need to be policing this march at the cost of the tax payer. Just think what could of happened there instead. What about a cycle race or some other sporting activity for people of Brighton to enjoy. How about a multicultural day instead. Oh I think I have come up with an idea for a march. March for Multiculturality. We could have that instead, sounds a lot better and I bet more people would march on that idea. Anyway let me know who it was that allowed this march to go ahead if you know. I would like to speak to them face to face to make sure this march never happens again at least in Brighton. ON THE RIVET
  • Score: 1

11:06am Mon 28 Apr 14

Ashles says...

clubrob6 wrote:
Ashles wrote: clubrob6 - "UAF is the most violent group in the country and is sadly funded by our government." I've seen you make this claim a few times. Do you have evidence for this, or can you explain why you believe this to be the case?
Look on there website they even list Cameron as one of there supporters.
That's your evidence? That they say Cameron supports them?

I see from their website that Coronation Street’s Hayley Cropper, comedian Jeremy Hardy and MTV’s George the Poet support them also.
Presumably this implies to you that ITV, BBC and MTV also support the UAF?

Also I assume you are implying that the government's funding of the UAF is secret (if I have misunderstood this then please direct me to a source that says they overtly finance UAF).
So this funding is secret and yet you have acquired evidence of this secret funding... from their own website because they are claiming support from Cameron?
[quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ashles[/bold] wrote: clubrob6 - "UAF is the most violent group in the country and is sadly funded by our government." I've seen you make this claim a few times. Do you have evidence for this, or can you explain why you believe this to be the case?[/p][/quote]Look on there website they even list Cameron as one of there supporters.[/p][/quote]That's your evidence? That they say Cameron supports them? I see from their website that Coronation Street’s Hayley Cropper, comedian Jeremy Hardy and MTV’s George the Poet support them also. Presumably this implies to you that ITV, BBC and MTV also support the UAF? Also I assume you are implying that the government's funding of the UAF is secret (if I have misunderstood this then please direct me to a source that says they overtly finance UAF). So this funding is secret and yet you have acquired evidence of this secret funding... from their own website because they are claiming support from Cameron? Ashles
  • Score: 2

11:11am Mon 28 Apr 14

Ashles says...

clubrob6 wrote:
Brighton Living wrote: I wonder if any other country get the same response if there want to fly there flag and walk down the high street.........and I wonder if pictures could be published without all the aggressiveness.
Further north the flag does not offend.
The flag doesn't offend down south either. This is a myth continually touted by MfE etc.

Can you find someone who is offended by the St George's flag? i've never read anyone on these forums or anywhere else who is offended by the flag.

I'm offended by morons who march through Brighton attempting to link the flag with their own insecurities and unrepresntative prejudices and hatred.
But never the flag itself or what it really represents to the rest of us.
[quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton Living[/bold] wrote: I wonder if any other country get the same response if there want to fly there flag and walk down the high street.........and I wonder if pictures could be published without all the aggressiveness.[/p][/quote]Further north the flag does not offend.[/p][/quote]The flag doesn't offend down south either. This is a myth continually touted by MfE etc. Can you find someone who is offended by the St George's flag? i've never read anyone on these forums or anywhere else who is offended by the flag. I'm offended by morons who march through Brighton attempting to link the flag with their own insecurities and unrepresntative prejudices and hatred. But never the flag itself or what it really represents to the rest of us. Ashles
  • Score: 13

11:14am Mon 28 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

tallchris wrote:
The MFE supporters were a laughable shower of ugly drunks. Seventy of them tops. They needed the police of five counties to protect their sorry behinds. Well done to all the anti fascists who came down yesterday.
The police presence wasn't requested by the MFE organisers, as it was a requirement of the march to be policed. It was a wise choice by the authorities, as it was plain that hundreds of protesters came ready for aggro. They caused many scuffles around the town,and the marchers were bound to protect themselves. Wouldn't you?

I wasn't aware that anyone was arrested whilst being in the march, but I saw lots of police action among the protesters. Quite why they object to Englishmen showing their flag off on our saints day was never explained, as all I heard were ridiculous shouts of 'nazi', 'racist, and 'fascists'. I was in the march - I never heard anyone espousing such views. In fact, whenever I challenge anyone to explain these accusations, I am amused to find no-one defending the use of the terms with anything that resembles reality or fact. It's basically bitogry and ignorance on the part of the UAF.

Shame on all those who turned up to oppose the march.

Wouldn't it be lovely if next year we all turned up on an ad hoc basis to celebrate the day? Where would the UAF be then, eh?

I gad a great day out knowing that my mere presence ( and that of our flag) upset so many stupid, ignorant nasty people.......includi
ng your MPs, That Lucas woman.....where the heck did you dig *that* up from?
[quote][p][bold]tallchris[/bold] wrote: The MFE supporters were a laughable shower of ugly drunks. Seventy of them tops. They needed the police of five counties to protect their sorry behinds. Well done to all the anti fascists who came down yesterday.[/p][/quote]The police presence wasn't requested by the MFE organisers, as it was a requirement of the march to be policed. It was a wise choice by the authorities, as it was plain that hundreds of protesters came ready for aggro. They caused many scuffles around the town,and the marchers were bound to protect themselves. Wouldn't you? I wasn't aware that anyone was arrested whilst being in the march, but I saw lots of police action among the protesters. Quite why they object to Englishmen showing their flag off on our saints day was never explained, as all I heard were ridiculous shouts of 'nazi', 'racist, and 'fascists'. I was in the march - I never heard anyone espousing such views. In fact, whenever I challenge anyone to explain these accusations, I am amused to find no-one defending the use of the terms with anything that resembles reality or fact. It's basically bitogry and ignorance on the part of the UAF. Shame on all those who turned up to oppose the march. Wouldn't it be lovely if next year we all turned up on an ad hoc basis to celebrate the day? Where would the UAF be then, eh? I gad a great day out knowing that my mere presence ( and that of our flag) upset so many stupid, ignorant nasty people.......includi ng your MPs, That Lucas woman.....where the heck did you dig *that* up from? ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -1

11:17am Mon 28 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Ashles wrote:
clubrob6 wrote:
Brighton Living wrote: I wonder if any other country get the same response if there want to fly there flag and walk down the high street.........and I wonder if pictures could be published without all the aggressiveness.
Further north the flag does not offend.
The flag doesn't offend down south either. This is a myth continually touted by MfE etc.

Can you find someone who is offended by the St George's flag? i've never read anyone on these forums or anywhere else who is offended by the flag.

I'm offended by morons who march through Brighton attempting to link the flag with their own insecurities and unrepresntative prejudices and hatred.
But never the flag itself or what it really represents to the rest of us.
But how many of the marchers expressed that to you? In what way is pride in one's national flag a demonstration of insecurities and prejudices?

I call BS from someone who is themselves ignorant and prejudiced.

And what does the England flag represent to YOU?
[quote][p][bold]Ashles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton Living[/bold] wrote: I wonder if any other country get the same response if there want to fly there flag and walk down the high street.........and I wonder if pictures could be published without all the aggressiveness.[/p][/quote]Further north the flag does not offend.[/p][/quote]The flag doesn't offend down south either. This is a myth continually touted by MfE etc. Can you find someone who is offended by the St George's flag? i've never read anyone on these forums or anywhere else who is offended by the flag. I'm offended by morons who march through Brighton attempting to link the flag with their own insecurities and unrepresntative prejudices and hatred. But never the flag itself or what it really represents to the rest of us.[/p][/quote]But how many of the marchers expressed that to you? In what way is pride in one's national flag a demonstration of insecurities and prejudices? I call BS from someone who is themselves ignorant and prejudiced. And what does the England flag represent to YOU? ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: 0

11:20am Mon 28 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

ON THE RIVET wrote:
Firstly I would like to apologise on commenting on this English situation as being Welsh I might not be seen by some as having the right to talk about English matters. Then again I have been living in Brighton now for 19 years so I feel some sort of leeway should be given to me to comment on this March for England. Although I do understand that just because I have been living in Brighton for 19 years some might feel that I should go back to the country I came from I want to just put some ideas forward about the March and would also like some answers to my thinkng.

I am going to put this as simply as I can and welcome comments.
I believe in the right to free speech but who allowed this march to go ahead ? Some one somewhere signed it off and allowed it to go ahead. ? ? who was it anybody know ?

Another question is :-
Do Brighton residents now have to foot the policing bill for this march ?

With only around 150 people marching on a concept that most find worrying and somewhat dangerous to society, should the EDL be allowed to cause such havoc in Brighton or anywhere else with a march ?

Can't we have this march banned and something more positive allowed in its place? Closing down most of the seafront road for up to 8 hours is not right when it's only about 150 people marching. If they have courage of their conviction then we don't need to be policing this march at the cost of the tax payer.

Just think what could of happened there instead. What about a cycle race or some other sporting activity for people of Brighton to enjoy.

How about a multicultural day instead.
Oh I think I have come up with an idea for a march. March for Multiculturality. We could have that instead, sounds a lot better and I bet more people would march on that idea.

Anyway let me know who it was that allowed this march to go ahead if you know. I would like to speak to them face to face to make sure this march never happens again at least in Brighton.
So you're for free speech but only when you agree with what is being said.

Shame on you!

The costs of the operation were due to the Brighton residents and their mates who each year threaten the march. It's just a shame that the thousands of Brightonians who are happy to ignore the march have to foot the bill for the actions of 1,500 people who hate their country.
[quote][p][bold]ON THE RIVET[/bold] wrote: Firstly I would like to apologise on commenting on this English situation as being Welsh I might not be seen by some as having the right to talk about English matters. Then again I have been living in Brighton now for 19 years so I feel some sort of leeway should be given to me to comment on this March for England. Although I do understand that just because I have been living in Brighton for 19 years some might feel that I should go back to the country I came from I want to just put some ideas forward about the March and would also like some answers to my thinkng. I am going to put this as simply as I can and welcome comments. I believe in the right to free speech but who allowed this march to go ahead ? Some one somewhere signed it off and allowed it to go ahead. ? ? who was it anybody know ? Another question is :- Do Brighton residents now have to foot the policing bill for this march ? With only around 150 people marching on a concept that most find worrying and somewhat dangerous to society, should the EDL be allowed to cause such havoc in Brighton or anywhere else with a march ? Can't we have this march banned and something more positive allowed in its place? Closing down most of the seafront road for up to 8 hours is not right when it's only about 150 people marching. If they have courage of their conviction then we don't need to be policing this march at the cost of the tax payer. Just think what could of happened there instead. What about a cycle race or some other sporting activity for people of Brighton to enjoy. How about a multicultural day instead. Oh I think I have come up with an idea for a march. March for Multiculturality. We could have that instead, sounds a lot better and I bet more people would march on that idea. Anyway let me know who it was that allowed this march to go ahead if you know. I would like to speak to them face to face to make sure this march never happens again at least in Brighton.[/p][/quote]So you're for free speech but only when you agree with what is being said. Shame on you! The costs of the operation were due to the Brighton residents and their mates who each year threaten the march. It's just a shame that the thousands of Brightonians who are happy to ignore the march have to foot the bill for the actions of 1,500 people who hate their country. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: 0

11:23am Mon 28 Apr 14

ON THE RIVET says...

Oh I would also like to point out that there was a very nice food festival being held on the same day in Brighton. Different foods from around the world like Thai food which was just delicious.

I would like to see this food festival given more space next year, I know how about closing down the seafront road for the food festival ?

Hey come on council lets close down the seafront road every Sunday for something fun and enjoyable for residents. We don't need racist marches but we really could do with some fun things going on in their place.

The excuse of free speech should not be allowed to hold a town to ransom.

So in a nut shell for the powers that be.

Closing down roads and shipping in 100's of police for a march of 150 racists is bad.

Closing down roads and shipping in probably much less police for a fun event on the seafront is good.

Hope that helps
Oh I would also like to point out that there was a very nice food festival being held on the same day in Brighton. Different foods from around the world like Thai food which was just delicious. I would like to see this food festival given more space next year, I know how about closing down the seafront road for the food festival ? Hey come on council lets close down the seafront road every Sunday for something fun and enjoyable for residents. We don't need racist marches but we really could do with some fun things going on in their place. The excuse of free speech should not be allowed to hold a town to ransom. So in a nut shell for the powers that be. Closing down roads and shipping in 100's of police for a march of 150 racists is bad. Closing down roads and shipping in probably much less police for a fun event on the seafront is good. Hope that helps ON THE RIVET
  • Score: 9

11:24am Mon 28 Apr 14

tallchris says...

All the armchair racists on this thread, where were you yesterday? You had 70 supporters. That's it, 70. Pitiful.
All the armchair racists on this thread, where were you yesterday? You had 70 supporters. That's it, 70. Pitiful. tallchris
  • Score: 9

11:29am Mon 28 Apr 14

Arrggh says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
ON THE RIVET wrote:
Firstly I would like to apologise on commenting on this English situation as being Welsh I might not be seen by some as having the right to talk about English matters. Then again I have been living in Brighton now for 19 years so I feel some sort of leeway should be given to me to comment on this March for England. Although I do understand that just because I have been living in Brighton for 19 years some might feel that I should go back to the country I came from I want to just put some ideas forward about the March and would also like some answers to my thinkng.

I am going to put this as simply as I can and welcome comments.
I believe in the right to free speech but who allowed this march to go ahead ? Some one somewhere signed it off and allowed it to go ahead. ? ? who was it anybody know ?

Another question is :-
Do Brighton residents now have to foot the policing bill for this march ?

With only around 150 people marching on a concept that most find worrying and somewhat dangerous to society, should the EDL be allowed to cause such havoc in Brighton or anywhere else with a march ?

Can't we have this march banned and something more positive allowed in its place? Closing down most of the seafront road for up to 8 hours is not right when it's only about 150 people marching. If they have courage of their conviction then we don't need to be policing this march at the cost of the tax payer.

Just think what could of happened there instead. What about a cycle race or some other sporting activity for people of Brighton to enjoy.

How about a multicultural day instead.
Oh I think I have come up with an idea for a march. March for Multiculturality. We could have that instead, sounds a lot better and I bet more people would march on that idea.

Anyway let me know who it was that allowed this march to go ahead if you know. I would like to speak to them face to face to make sure this march never happens again at least in Brighton.
So you're for free speech but only when you agree with what is being said.

Shame on you!

The costs of the operation were due to the Brighton residents and their mates who each year threaten the march. It's just a shame that the thousands of Brightonians who are happy to ignore the march have to foot the bill for the actions of 1,500 people who hate their country.
Anyone who doesn't agree with me hates their country- that seems a bit narrow minded and not at all in favour of free speech.
Thousands of Brightonians who are happy to ignore the march? It's impossible to ignore if you're anywhere near the centre- is that the closest to support it gets here in your view? People who are happy to ignore it.
Footage showed marchers, having split away from it after another decision by the police that baffles me, throwing chairs and glasses so the idea that only the antis kicked off is obviously not true.
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ON THE RIVET[/bold] wrote: Firstly I would like to apologise on commenting on this English situation as being Welsh I might not be seen by some as having the right to talk about English matters. Then again I have been living in Brighton now for 19 years so I feel some sort of leeway should be given to me to comment on this March for England. Although I do understand that just because I have been living in Brighton for 19 years some might feel that I should go back to the country I came from I want to just put some ideas forward about the March and would also like some answers to my thinkng. I am going to put this as simply as I can and welcome comments. I believe in the right to free speech but who allowed this march to go ahead ? Some one somewhere signed it off and allowed it to go ahead. ? ? who was it anybody know ? Another question is :- Do Brighton residents now have to foot the policing bill for this march ? With only around 150 people marching on a concept that most find worrying and somewhat dangerous to society, should the EDL be allowed to cause such havoc in Brighton or anywhere else with a march ? Can't we have this march banned and something more positive allowed in its place? Closing down most of the seafront road for up to 8 hours is not right when it's only about 150 people marching. If they have courage of their conviction then we don't need to be policing this march at the cost of the tax payer. Just think what could of happened there instead. What about a cycle race or some other sporting activity for people of Brighton to enjoy. How about a multicultural day instead. Oh I think I have come up with an idea for a march. March for Multiculturality. We could have that instead, sounds a lot better and I bet more people would march on that idea. Anyway let me know who it was that allowed this march to go ahead if you know. I would like to speak to them face to face to make sure this march never happens again at least in Brighton.[/p][/quote]So you're for free speech but only when you agree with what is being said. Shame on you! The costs of the operation were due to the Brighton residents and their mates who each year threaten the march. It's just a shame that the thousands of Brightonians who are happy to ignore the march have to foot the bill for the actions of 1,500 people who hate their country.[/p][/quote]Anyone who doesn't agree with me hates their country- that seems a bit narrow minded and not at all in favour of free speech. Thousands of Brightonians who are happy to ignore the march? It's impossible to ignore if you're anywhere near the centre- is that the closest to support it gets here in your view? People who are happy to ignore it. Footage showed marchers, having split away from it after another decision by the police that baffles me, throwing chairs and glasses so the idea that only the antis kicked off is obviously not true. Arrggh
  • Score: 7

11:40am Mon 28 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Arrggh wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
ON THE RIVET wrote:
Firstly I would like to apologise on commenting on this English situation as being Welsh I might not be seen by some as having the right to talk about English matters. Then again I have been living in Brighton now for 19 years so I feel some sort of leeway should be given to me to comment on this March for England. Although I do understand that just because I have been living in Brighton for 19 years some might feel that I should go back to the country I came from I want to just put some ideas forward about the March and would also like some answers to my thinkng.

I am going to put this as simply as I can and welcome comments.
I believe in the right to free speech but who allowed this march to go ahead ? Some one somewhere signed it off and allowed it to go ahead. ? ? who was it anybody know ?

Another question is :-
Do Brighton residents now have to foot the policing bill for this march ?

With only around 150 people marching on a concept that most find worrying and somewhat dangerous to society, should the EDL be allowed to cause such havoc in Brighton or anywhere else with a march ?

Can't we have this march banned and something more positive allowed in its place? Closing down most of the seafront road for up to 8 hours is not right when it's only about 150 people marching. If they have courage of their conviction then we don't need to be policing this march at the cost of the tax payer.

Just think what could of happened there instead. What about a cycle race or some other sporting activity for people of Brighton to enjoy.

How about a multicultural day instead.
Oh I think I have come up with an idea for a march. March for Multiculturality. We could have that instead, sounds a lot better and I bet more people would march on that idea.

Anyway let me know who it was that allowed this march to go ahead if you know. I would like to speak to them face to face to make sure this march never happens again at least in Brighton.
So you're for free speech but only when you agree with what is being said.

Shame on you!

The costs of the operation were due to the Brighton residents and their mates who each year threaten the march. It's just a shame that the thousands of Brightonians who are happy to ignore the march have to foot the bill for the actions of 1,500 people who hate their country.
Anyone who doesn't agree with me hates their country- that seems a bit narrow minded and not at all in favour of free speech.
Thousands of Brightonians who are happy to ignore the march? It's impossible to ignore if you're anywhere near the centre- is that the closest to support it gets here in your view? People who are happy to ignore it.
Footage showed marchers, having split away from it after another decision by the police that baffles me, throwing chairs and glasses so the idea that only the antis kicked off is obviously not true.
So the people who weren't in the centre never saw any of it.

I take it that 'ignore' isn't an unfamiliar word to you?

I left the march at the junction of Duke Street, from where I was going to make my way to the pub via Subway. Wearing a suit, I was easily able to walk past the gathering groups of UAF without any problem. Seconds later, the screams of abuse from two revolting young women greeted a bunch of people who were plainly marchers, and the police were forced to move in. The few shoppers on Duke Street were plainly rattled by this and by the appearance of several UAF thugs who were walking up the street to confront the marchers.

Yes, the town centre was not a pleasant place to be yesterday, and all thanks to the UAF etc who were bent on causing trouble.
[quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ON THE RIVET[/bold] wrote: Firstly I would like to apologise on commenting on this English situation as being Welsh I might not be seen by some as having the right to talk about English matters. Then again I have been living in Brighton now for 19 years so I feel some sort of leeway should be given to me to comment on this March for England. Although I do understand that just because I have been living in Brighton for 19 years some might feel that I should go back to the country I came from I want to just put some ideas forward about the March and would also like some answers to my thinkng. I am going to put this as simply as I can and welcome comments. I believe in the right to free speech but who allowed this march to go ahead ? Some one somewhere signed it off and allowed it to go ahead. ? ? who was it anybody know ? Another question is :- Do Brighton residents now have to foot the policing bill for this march ? With only around 150 people marching on a concept that most find worrying and somewhat dangerous to society, should the EDL be allowed to cause such havoc in Brighton or anywhere else with a march ? Can't we have this march banned and something more positive allowed in its place? Closing down most of the seafront road for up to 8 hours is not right when it's only about 150 people marching. If they have courage of their conviction then we don't need to be policing this march at the cost of the tax payer. Just think what could of happened there instead. What about a cycle race or some other sporting activity for people of Brighton to enjoy. How about a multicultural day instead. Oh I think I have come up with an idea for a march. March for Multiculturality. We could have that instead, sounds a lot better and I bet more people would march on that idea. Anyway let me know who it was that allowed this march to go ahead if you know. I would like to speak to them face to face to make sure this march never happens again at least in Brighton.[/p][/quote]So you're for free speech but only when you agree with what is being said. Shame on you! The costs of the operation were due to the Brighton residents and their mates who each year threaten the march. It's just a shame that the thousands of Brightonians who are happy to ignore the march have to foot the bill for the actions of 1,500 people who hate their country.[/p][/quote]Anyone who doesn't agree with me hates their country- that seems a bit narrow minded and not at all in favour of free speech. Thousands of Brightonians who are happy to ignore the march? It's impossible to ignore if you're anywhere near the centre- is that the closest to support it gets here in your view? People who are happy to ignore it. Footage showed marchers, having split away from it after another decision by the police that baffles me, throwing chairs and glasses so the idea that only the antis kicked off is obviously not true.[/p][/quote]So the people who weren't in the centre never saw any of it. I take it that 'ignore' isn't an unfamiliar word to you? I left the march at the junction of Duke Street, from where I was going to make my way to the pub via Subway. Wearing a suit, I was easily able to walk past the gathering groups of UAF without any problem. Seconds later, the screams of abuse from two revolting young women greeted a bunch of people who were plainly marchers, and the police were forced to move in. The few shoppers on Duke Street were plainly rattled by this and by the appearance of several UAF thugs who were walking up the street to confront the marchers. Yes, the town centre was not a pleasant place to be yesterday, and all thanks to the UAF etc who were bent on causing trouble. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -5

11:40am Mon 28 Apr 14

Arrggh says...

Anyone disappointed with the choice of location for the march or in any other way unhappy with the policing of the event should get in touch with the Chief Inspector in Lewes. If you lost trade feel free to let him know with an estimate and the Argus so that we can have a more accurate idea of the cost of hosting two hundred people who hate the city.
If they really have to come back make it somewhere that will cause less disruption to businesses and tourists.
Anyone disappointed with the choice of location for the march or in any other way unhappy with the policing of the event should get in touch with the Chief Inspector in Lewes. If you lost trade feel free to let him know with an estimate and the Argus so that we can have a more accurate idea of the cost of hosting two hundred people who hate the city. If they really have to come back make it somewhere that will cause less disruption to businesses and tourists. Arrggh
  • Score: 3

11:41am Mon 28 Apr 14

Arrggh says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Arrggh wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
ON THE RIVET wrote:
Firstly I would like to apologise on commenting on this English situation as being Welsh I might not be seen by some as having the right to talk about English matters. Then again I have been living in Brighton now for 19 years so I feel some sort of leeway should be given to me to comment on this March for England. Although I do understand that just because I have been living in Brighton for 19 years some might feel that I should go back to the country I came from I want to just put some ideas forward about the March and would also like some answers to my thinkng.

I am going to put this as simply as I can and welcome comments.
I believe in the right to free speech but who allowed this march to go ahead ? Some one somewhere signed it off and allowed it to go ahead. ? ? who was it anybody know ?

Another question is :-
Do Brighton residents now have to foot the policing bill for this march ?

With only around 150 people marching on a concept that most find worrying and somewhat dangerous to society, should the EDL be allowed to cause such havoc in Brighton or anywhere else with a march ?

Can't we have this march banned and something more positive allowed in its place? Closing down most of the seafront road for up to 8 hours is not right when it's only about 150 people marching. If they have courage of their conviction then we don't need to be policing this march at the cost of the tax payer.

Just think what could of happened there instead. What about a cycle race or some other sporting activity for people of Brighton to enjoy.

How about a multicultural day instead.
Oh I think I have come up with an idea for a march. March for Multiculturality. We could have that instead, sounds a lot better and I bet more people would march on that idea.

Anyway let me know who it was that allowed this march to go ahead if you know. I would like to speak to them face to face to make sure this march never happens again at least in Brighton.
So you're for free speech but only when you agree with what is being said.

Shame on you!

The costs of the operation were due to the Brighton residents and their mates who each year threaten the march. It's just a shame that the thousands of Brightonians who are happy to ignore the march have to foot the bill for the actions of 1,500 people who hate their country.
Anyone who doesn't agree with me hates their country- that seems a bit narrow minded and not at all in favour of free speech.
Thousands of Brightonians who are happy to ignore the march? It's impossible to ignore if you're anywhere near the centre- is that the closest to support it gets here in your view? People who are happy to ignore it.
Footage showed marchers, having split away from it after another decision by the police that baffles me, throwing chairs and glasses so the idea that only the antis kicked off is obviously not true.
So the people who weren't in the centre never saw any of it.

I take it that 'ignore' isn't an unfamiliar word to you?

I left the march at the junction of Duke Street, from where I was going to make my way to the pub via Subway. Wearing a suit, I was easily able to walk past the gathering groups of UAF without any problem. Seconds later, the screams of abuse from two revolting young women greeted a bunch of people who were plainly marchers, and the police were forced to move in. The few shoppers on Duke Street were plainly rattled by this and by the appearance of several UAF thugs who were walking up the street to confront the marchers.

Yes, the town centre was not a pleasant place to be yesterday, and all thanks to the UAF etc who were bent on causing trouble.
I thought you had a great day out? The helicopter was visible for miles.
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ON THE RIVET[/bold] wrote: Firstly I would like to apologise on commenting on this English situation as being Welsh I might not be seen by some as having the right to talk about English matters. Then again I have been living in Brighton now for 19 years so I feel some sort of leeway should be given to me to comment on this March for England. Although I do understand that just because I have been living in Brighton for 19 years some might feel that I should go back to the country I came from I want to just put some ideas forward about the March and would also like some answers to my thinkng. I am going to put this as simply as I can and welcome comments. I believe in the right to free speech but who allowed this march to go ahead ? Some one somewhere signed it off and allowed it to go ahead. ? ? who was it anybody know ? Another question is :- Do Brighton residents now have to foot the policing bill for this march ? With only around 150 people marching on a concept that most find worrying and somewhat dangerous to society, should the EDL be allowed to cause such havoc in Brighton or anywhere else with a march ? Can't we have this march banned and something more positive allowed in its place? Closing down most of the seafront road for up to 8 hours is not right when it's only about 150 people marching. If they have courage of their conviction then we don't need to be policing this march at the cost of the tax payer. Just think what could of happened there instead. What about a cycle race or some other sporting activity for people of Brighton to enjoy. How about a multicultural day instead. Oh I think I have come up with an idea for a march. March for Multiculturality. We could have that instead, sounds a lot better and I bet more people would march on that idea. Anyway let me know who it was that allowed this march to go ahead if you know. I would like to speak to them face to face to make sure this march never happens again at least in Brighton.[/p][/quote]So you're for free speech but only when you agree with what is being said. Shame on you! The costs of the operation were due to the Brighton residents and their mates who each year threaten the march. It's just a shame that the thousands of Brightonians who are happy to ignore the march have to foot the bill for the actions of 1,500 people who hate their country.[/p][/quote]Anyone who doesn't agree with me hates their country- that seems a bit narrow minded and not at all in favour of free speech. Thousands of Brightonians who are happy to ignore the march? It's impossible to ignore if you're anywhere near the centre- is that the closest to support it gets here in your view? People who are happy to ignore it. Footage showed marchers, having split away from it after another decision by the police that baffles me, throwing chairs and glasses so the idea that only the antis kicked off is obviously not true.[/p][/quote]So the people who weren't in the centre never saw any of it. I take it that 'ignore' isn't an unfamiliar word to you? I left the march at the junction of Duke Street, from where I was going to make my way to the pub via Subway. Wearing a suit, I was easily able to walk past the gathering groups of UAF without any problem. Seconds later, the screams of abuse from two revolting young women greeted a bunch of people who were plainly marchers, and the police were forced to move in. The few shoppers on Duke Street were plainly rattled by this and by the appearance of several UAF thugs who were walking up the street to confront the marchers. Yes, the town centre was not a pleasant place to be yesterday, and all thanks to the UAF etc who were bent on causing trouble.[/p][/quote]I thought you had a great day out? The helicopter was visible for miles. Arrggh
  • Score: 2

11:42am Mon 28 Apr 14

Andy R says...

clubrob6 wrote:
Ashles wrote:
clubrob6 - "UAF is the most violent group in the country and is sadly funded by our government."

I've seen you make this claim a few times.

Do you have evidence for this, or can you explain why you believe this to be the case?
Look on there website they even list Cameron as one of there supporters.
I expected too much! That's it? That's your evidence for a "government-funded" UAF. Ha. Ha. Ha.

Oh..and it's "their supporters" not "there supporters".

Pride in the language!
[quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ashles[/bold] wrote: clubrob6 - "UAF is the most violent group in the country and is sadly funded by our government." I've seen you make this claim a few times. Do you have evidence for this, or can you explain why you believe this to be the case?[/p][/quote]Look on there website they even list Cameron as one of there supporters.[/p][/quote]I expected too much! That's it? That's your evidence for a "government-funded" UAF. Ha. Ha. Ha. Oh..and it's "their supporters" not "there supporters". Pride in the language! Andy R
  • Score: 5

11:45am Mon 28 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Arrggh wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Arrggh wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
ON THE RIVET wrote:
Firstly I would like to apologise on commenting on this English situation as being Welsh I might not be seen by some as having the right to talk about English matters. Then again I have been living in Brighton now for 19 years so I feel some sort of leeway should be given to me to comment on this March for England. Although I do understand that just because I have been living in Brighton for 19 years some might feel that I should go back to the country I came from I want to just put some ideas forward about the March and would also like some answers to my thinkng.

I am going to put this as simply as I can and welcome comments.
I believe in the right to free speech but who allowed this march to go ahead ? Some one somewhere signed it off and allowed it to go ahead. ? ? who was it anybody know ?

Another question is :-
Do Brighton residents now have to foot the policing bill for this march ?

With only around 150 people marching on a concept that most find worrying and somewhat dangerous to society, should the EDL be allowed to cause such havoc in Brighton or anywhere else with a march ?

Can't we have this march banned and something more positive allowed in its place? Closing down most of the seafront road for up to 8 hours is not right when it's only about 150 people marching. If they have courage of their conviction then we don't need to be policing this march at the cost of the tax payer.

Just think what could of happened there instead. What about a cycle race or some other sporting activity for people of Brighton to enjoy.

How about a multicultural day instead.
Oh I think I have come up with an idea for a march. March for Multiculturality. We could have that instead, sounds a lot better and I bet more people would march on that idea.

Anyway let me know who it was that allowed this march to go ahead if you know. I would like to speak to them face to face to make sure this march never happens again at least in Brighton.
So you're for free speech but only when you agree with what is being said.

Shame on you!

The costs of the operation were due to the Brighton residents and their mates who each year threaten the march. It's just a shame that the thousands of Brightonians who are happy to ignore the march have to foot the bill for the actions of 1,500 people who hate their country.
Anyone who doesn't agree with me hates their country- that seems a bit narrow minded and not at all in favour of free speech.
Thousands of Brightonians who are happy to ignore the march? It's impossible to ignore if you're anywhere near the centre- is that the closest to support it gets here in your view? People who are happy to ignore it.
Footage showed marchers, having split away from it after another decision by the police that baffles me, throwing chairs and glasses so the idea that only the antis kicked off is obviously not true.
So the people who weren't in the centre never saw any of it.

I take it that 'ignore' isn't an unfamiliar word to you?

I left the march at the junction of Duke Street, from where I was going to make my way to the pub via Subway. Wearing a suit, I was easily able to walk past the gathering groups of UAF without any problem. Seconds later, the screams of abuse from two revolting young women greeted a bunch of people who were plainly marchers, and the police were forced to move in. The few shoppers on Duke Street were plainly rattled by this and by the appearance of several UAF thugs who were walking up the street to confront the marchers.

Yes, the town centre was not a pleasant place to be yesterday, and all thanks to the UAF etc who were bent on causing trouble.
I thought you had a great day out? The helicopter was visible for miles.
I did have a great day out, thanks.

I don't recall suggesting otherwise.

The helicopter is visible in Brighton every time it is flight, funnily enough. I don't think 'police patrol' every time I see it.
[quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ON THE RIVET[/bold] wrote: Firstly I would like to apologise on commenting on this English situation as being Welsh I might not be seen by some as having the right to talk about English matters. Then again I have been living in Brighton now for 19 years so I feel some sort of leeway should be given to me to comment on this March for England. Although I do understand that just because I have been living in Brighton for 19 years some might feel that I should go back to the country I came from I want to just put some ideas forward about the March and would also like some answers to my thinkng. I am going to put this as simply as I can and welcome comments. I believe in the right to free speech but who allowed this march to go ahead ? Some one somewhere signed it off and allowed it to go ahead. ? ? who was it anybody know ? Another question is :- Do Brighton residents now have to foot the policing bill for this march ? With only around 150 people marching on a concept that most find worrying and somewhat dangerous to society, should the EDL be allowed to cause such havoc in Brighton or anywhere else with a march ? Can't we have this march banned and something more positive allowed in its place? Closing down most of the seafront road for up to 8 hours is not right when it's only about 150 people marching. If they have courage of their conviction then we don't need to be policing this march at the cost of the tax payer. Just think what could of happened there instead. What about a cycle race or some other sporting activity for people of Brighton to enjoy. How about a multicultural day instead. Oh I think I have come up with an idea for a march. March for Multiculturality. We could have that instead, sounds a lot better and I bet more people would march on that idea. Anyway let me know who it was that allowed this march to go ahead if you know. I would like to speak to them face to face to make sure this march never happens again at least in Brighton.[/p][/quote]So you're for free speech but only when you agree with what is being said. Shame on you! The costs of the operation were due to the Brighton residents and their mates who each year threaten the march. It's just a shame that the thousands of Brightonians who are happy to ignore the march have to foot the bill for the actions of 1,500 people who hate their country.[/p][/quote]Anyone who doesn't agree with me hates their country- that seems a bit narrow minded and not at all in favour of free speech. Thousands of Brightonians who are happy to ignore the march? It's impossible to ignore if you're anywhere near the centre- is that the closest to support it gets here in your view? People who are happy to ignore it. Footage showed marchers, having split away from it after another decision by the police that baffles me, throwing chairs and glasses so the idea that only the antis kicked off is obviously not true.[/p][/quote]So the people who weren't in the centre never saw any of it. I take it that 'ignore' isn't an unfamiliar word to you? I left the march at the junction of Duke Street, from where I was going to make my way to the pub via Subway. Wearing a suit, I was easily able to walk past the gathering groups of UAF without any problem. Seconds later, the screams of abuse from two revolting young women greeted a bunch of people who were plainly marchers, and the police were forced to move in. The few shoppers on Duke Street were plainly rattled by this and by the appearance of several UAF thugs who were walking up the street to confront the marchers. Yes, the town centre was not a pleasant place to be yesterday, and all thanks to the UAF etc who were bent on causing trouble.[/p][/quote]I thought you had a great day out? The helicopter was visible for miles.[/p][/quote]I did have a great day out, thanks. I don't recall suggesting otherwise. The helicopter is visible in Brighton every time it is flight, funnily enough. I don't think 'police patrol' every time I see it. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -3

11:46am Mon 28 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Arrggh wrote:
Anyone disappointed with the choice of location for the march or in any other way unhappy with the policing of the event should get in touch with the Chief Inspector in Lewes. If you lost trade feel free to let him know with an estimate and the Argus so that we can have a more accurate idea of the cost of hosting two hundred people who hate the city.
If they really have to come back make it somewhere that will cause less disruption to businesses and tourists.
The costs are due to the presence of the protesters. I love the way you keep ignoring the fact that they were there intent on protest.

The marchers came to celebrate.......you see the difference?
[quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: Anyone disappointed with the choice of location for the march or in any other way unhappy with the policing of the event should get in touch with the Chief Inspector in Lewes. If you lost trade feel free to let him know with an estimate and the Argus so that we can have a more accurate idea of the cost of hosting two hundred people who hate the city. If they really have to come back make it somewhere that will cause less disruption to businesses and tourists.[/p][/quote]The costs are due to the presence of the protesters. I love the way you keep ignoring the fact that they were there intent on protest. The marchers came to celebrate.......you see the difference? ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -6

11:50am Mon 28 Apr 14

Jay1000 says...

Loving your comments, Ashles! Calmly and eloquently put in all instances.
Loving your comments, Ashles! Calmly and eloquently put in all instances. Jay1000
  • Score: 3

11:50am Mon 28 Apr 14

Ashles says...

"But how many of the marchers expressed that to you? In what way is pride in one's national flag a demonstration of insecurities and prejudices?"
All the messages coming from that march and people defending it here seem to be AGAINST things, never FOR anything. The march seems to be entirely AGAINST foreign stuff (people, influence, culture etc) and blaming all this nasty foregness for their own problems. I don't see any pride FOR anything displayed.

"I call BS from someone who is themselves ignorant and prejudiced."
You seem to frequently employ the rather limited debating tactic of simply calling someone else the exact same thing they are accusing you of.
'No YOU are!' isn't really a brilliant discussion approach for anyone over the age of 9.

"And what does the England flag represent to YOU?"
The flag represents to me a progressive country founded on some of the earliest and most developed (and copied by the world) systems of democracy. A land proud of its history but not stuck in its history.
A land of equality.
A country which has used its strength and military might to fight fascism and protected those weaker than us. A country which has also used that military might unwisely - instances which we must equally not forget.
A country lucky enough to have thriving cities and economy but also some of the finest countryside in the world.
A land which has always punched above its weight - for its size it has had enormous influence over the history of the world, some of it positive, some of it negative. A country that has learned from its mistakes and endeavoured to rectify them.
A country with an unparallelled history of artistic, scientific and sporting achievement. A country which hosted the Olympics in a manner that made us all feel proud and which the world applauded.
A country which funds institutions such as the NHS, the BBC, the welfare state and the army - all of which, no matter their good and bad points, we should be proud.
The flag represnts a country with a proud history but a country part of the 21st century - open to change, embracing development, a multicutural ever-changing world and able to move with it, not bury itself in the past.

What does the flag mean to you?
"But how many of the marchers expressed that to you? In what way is pride in one's national flag a demonstration of insecurities and prejudices?" All the messages coming from that march and people defending it here seem to be AGAINST things, never FOR anything. The march seems to be entirely AGAINST foreign stuff (people, influence, culture etc) and blaming all this nasty foregness for their own problems. I don't see any pride FOR anything displayed. "I call BS from someone who is themselves ignorant and prejudiced." You seem to frequently employ the rather limited debating tactic of simply calling someone else the exact same thing they are accusing you of. 'No YOU are!' isn't really a brilliant discussion approach for anyone over the age of 9. "And what does the England flag represent to YOU?" The flag represents to me a progressive country founded on some of the earliest and most developed (and copied by the world) systems of democracy. A land proud of its history but not stuck in its history. A land of equality. A country which has used its strength and military might to fight fascism and protected those weaker than us. A country which has also used that military might unwisely - instances which we must equally not forget. A country lucky enough to have thriving cities and economy but also some of the finest countryside in the world. A land which has always punched above its weight - for its size it has had enormous influence over the history of the world, some of it positive, some of it negative. A country that has learned from its mistakes and endeavoured to rectify them. A country with an unparallelled history of artistic, scientific and sporting achievement. A country which hosted the Olympics in a manner that made us all feel proud and which the world applauded. A country which funds institutions such as the NHS, the BBC, the welfare state and the army - all of which, no matter their good and bad points, we should be proud. The flag represnts a country with a proud history but a country part of the 21st century - open to change, embracing development, a multicutural ever-changing world and able to move with it, not bury itself in the past. What does the flag mean to you? Ashles
  • Score: 13

11:55am Mon 28 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

gazzamagoo wrote:
Descendants of a bunch of immigrants getting all angry over a bunch of immigrants.
Wrong on both counts, actually.

Everyone I spoke to was born in England. An immigrant is someone who relocates to another country. Britain has been populated for millennia.

The march wasn't against anyone, and it certainly wasn't an anti-immigration march. It was a celebration of someone who was given to us by a foreign regime (the Normans) and who was a foreigner himself. It was therefore a celebration of a foreigner.

HTH
[quote][p][bold]gazzamagoo[/bold] wrote: Descendants of a bunch of immigrants getting all angry over a bunch of immigrants.[/p][/quote]Wrong on both counts, actually. Everyone I spoke to was born in England. An immigrant is someone who relocates to another country. Britain has been populated for millennia. The march wasn't against anyone, and it certainly wasn't an anti-immigration march. It was a celebration of someone who was given to us by a foreign regime (the Normans) and who was a foreigner himself. It was therefore a celebration of a foreigner. HTH ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -5

12:00pm Mon 28 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Ashles wrote:
"But how many of the marchers expressed that to you? In what way is pride in one's national flag a demonstration of insecurities and prejudices?"
All the messages coming from that march and people defending it here seem to be AGAINST things, never FOR anything. The march seems to be entirely AGAINST foreign stuff (people, influence, culture etc) and blaming all this nasty foregness for their own problems. I don't see any pride FOR anything displayed.

"I call BS from someone who is themselves ignorant and prejudiced."
You seem to frequently employ the rather limited debating tactic of simply calling someone else the exact same thing they are accusing you of.
'No YOU are!' isn't really a brilliant discussion approach for anyone over the age of 9.

"And what does the England flag represent to YOU?"
The flag represents to me a progressive country founded on some of the earliest and most developed (and copied by the world) systems of democracy. A land proud of its history but not stuck in its history.
A land of equality.
A country which has used its strength and military might to fight fascism and protected those weaker than us. A country which has also used that military might unwisely - instances which we must equally not forget.
A country lucky enough to have thriving cities and economy but also some of the finest countryside in the world.
A land which has always punched above its weight - for its size it has had enormous influence over the history of the world, some of it positive, some of it negative. A country that has learned from its mistakes and endeavoured to rectify them.
A country with an unparallelled history of artistic, scientific and sporting achievement. A country which hosted the Olympics in a manner that made us all feel proud and which the world applauded.
A country which funds institutions such as the NHS, the BBC, the welfare state and the army - all of which, no matter their good and bad points, we should be proud.
The flag represnts a country with a proud history but a country part of the 21st century - open to change, embracing development, a multicutural ever-changing world and able to move with it, not bury itself in the past.

What does the flag mean to you?
Do you know what 'seem' means?

It's a reference to how YOU have perceived something, even if it's not accurate.

It is therefore YOUR opinion of what the marchers are doing and why they are doing it, and it's based entirely on your own prejudice. Aren't you supposed to be against prejudice and bigotry? You give me the impression that you're all for it.

So you love this country but object to others doing so. I'd get help for that.

The flag is that of my home country.
[quote][p][bold]Ashles[/bold] wrote: "But how many of the marchers expressed that to you? In what way is pride in one's national flag a demonstration of insecurities and prejudices?" All the messages coming from that march and people defending it here seem to be AGAINST things, never FOR anything. The march seems to be entirely AGAINST foreign stuff (people, influence, culture etc) and blaming all this nasty foregness for their own problems. I don't see any pride FOR anything displayed. "I call BS from someone who is themselves ignorant and prejudiced." You seem to frequently employ the rather limited debating tactic of simply calling someone else the exact same thing they are accusing you of. 'No YOU are!' isn't really a brilliant discussion approach for anyone over the age of 9. "And what does the England flag represent to YOU?" The flag represents to me a progressive country founded on some of the earliest and most developed (and copied by the world) systems of democracy. A land proud of its history but not stuck in its history. A land of equality. A country which has used its strength and military might to fight fascism and protected those weaker than us. A country which has also used that military might unwisely - instances which we must equally not forget. A country lucky enough to have thriving cities and economy but also some of the finest countryside in the world. A land which has always punched above its weight - for its size it has had enormous influence over the history of the world, some of it positive, some of it negative. A country that has learned from its mistakes and endeavoured to rectify them. A country with an unparallelled history of artistic, scientific and sporting achievement. A country which hosted the Olympics in a manner that made us all feel proud and which the world applauded. A country which funds institutions such as the NHS, the BBC, the welfare state and the army - all of which, no matter their good and bad points, we should be proud. The flag represnts a country with a proud history but a country part of the 21st century - open to change, embracing development, a multicutural ever-changing world and able to move with it, not bury itself in the past. What does the flag mean to you?[/p][/quote]Do you know what 'seem' means? It's a reference to how YOU have perceived something, even if it's not accurate. It is therefore YOUR opinion of what the marchers are doing and why they are doing it, and it's based entirely on your own prejudice. Aren't you supposed to be against prejudice and bigotry? You give me the impression that you're all for it. So you love this country but object to others doing so. I'd get help for that. The flag is that of my home country. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -6

12:03pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Fight_Back says...

Andy R wrote:
JHunty wrote:
Andy R wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
Andy R wrote:
DC Brighton wrote:
Couldn't they all have been directed over that dodgy bit of road on the seafront?
And by "all" I mean both the soap dodgers and the skinheads.
Why should it be forced upon the same city every year? Freedom of speech is one thing, but I can't imagine too many Brighton residents are pleased to have this foisted upon them - except media-desperate Caroline Lucas (if she lives in Brighton at all).

Oh yeah, and the same goes for sponsored bike rides. The London to Brighton is fine since it has tradition on its side. All the others should go via Worthing, Eastbourne, Littlehampton etc.
I was on the counter demo and I am not a "soap dodger". In fact I took a shower as soon as I got home. A very necessary action after a spending any time at all up close and personal with the "March for England".
Then people like you and Lucas are as vile and repugnant as the MfE marchers. STOP the violence !!!!!!!!!!!
"Fight_Back" thnks I'm "vile" and "repugnant".



I think I'll get over it.
Were you there when your mates attacked the WPC? Did you help her or stand there chanting about who killed Mark Duggan?
Well one thing's for sure....you won't have been there. But I guess you'll soon be faithfully regurgitating the EDL's propaganda as always.
I note no denial then ? It wasn't you by chance that attacked the WPC ? Maybe you were one of the balaclava wearing thugs who attacked the MfE people just sitting in a pub ?

The violence is caused by BOTH sides and that makes any supporter of either side a supporter of violent protest. As a Union leader you really should be ashamed of yourself supporting violent protest. Maybe next time you and your members are stood on a picket line anyone who objects to your strike can come and throw things at you and beat you up ?
[quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JHunty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DC Brighton[/bold] wrote: Couldn't they all have been directed over that dodgy bit of road on the seafront? And by "all" I mean both the soap dodgers and the skinheads. Why should it be forced upon the same city every year? Freedom of speech is one thing, but I can't imagine too many Brighton residents are pleased to have this foisted upon them - except media-desperate Caroline Lucas (if she lives in Brighton at all). Oh yeah, and the same goes for sponsored bike rides. The London to Brighton is fine since it has tradition on its side. All the others should go via Worthing, Eastbourne, Littlehampton etc.[/p][/quote]I was on the counter demo and I am not a "soap dodger". In fact I took a shower as soon as I got home. A very necessary action after a spending any time at all up close and personal with the "March for England".[/p][/quote]Then people like you and Lucas are as vile and repugnant as the MfE marchers. STOP the violence !!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]"Fight_Back" thnks I'm "vile" and "repugnant". I think I'll get over it.[/p][/quote]Were you there when your mates attacked the WPC? Did you help her or stand there chanting about who killed Mark Duggan?[/p][/quote]Well one thing's for sure....you won't have been there. But I guess you'll soon be faithfully regurgitating the EDL's propaganda as always.[/p][/quote]I note no denial then ? It wasn't you by chance that attacked the WPC ? Maybe you were one of the balaclava wearing thugs who attacked the MfE people just sitting in a pub ? The violence is caused by BOTH sides and that makes any supporter of either side a supporter of violent protest. As a Union leader you really should be ashamed of yourself supporting violent protest. Maybe next time you and your members are stood on a picket line anyone who objects to your strike can come and throw things at you and beat you up ? Fight_Back
  • Score: 0

12:04pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Ashles says...

I just checked the Macrh for England website. It doesn't say anything about being "a celebration of a foreigner".
Are you sure that's the main purpose of the MfE?

I'll copy and paste from their front page:

"United we can make this country a more better place"

Fine words indeed. I for one would like England to be more better.

http://marchforengla
nd.weebly.com/
I just checked the Macrh for England website. It doesn't say anything about being "a celebration of a foreigner". Are you sure that's the main purpose of the MfE? I'll copy and paste from their front page: "United we can make this country a more better place" Fine words indeed. I for one would like England to be more better. http://marchforengla nd.weebly.com/ Ashles
  • Score: 9

12:08pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Arrggh says...

Zeegee ffs- the first two years the march happened there was a considerable police presence even when there was no counter demo. The actions of those on the march resulted in opposition- racist and homophobic chants and people being attacked. The helicopter was there for the march- no other reason. You have repeatedly accused me of being against free speech for no other reason than I disagree with your views.
How about a public debate- would that be free enough for you?
You claim to have facts on your side- what could you possibly lose?
Zeegee ffs- the first two years the march happened there was a considerable police presence even when there was no counter demo. The actions of those on the march resulted in opposition- racist and homophobic chants and people being attacked. The helicopter was there for the march- no other reason. You have repeatedly accused me of being against free speech for no other reason than I disagree with your views. How about a public debate- would that be free enough for you? You claim to have facts on your side- what could you possibly lose? Arrggh
  • Score: 7

12:09pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Ashles says...

So in answer to my question what does the English flag mean to you, your response is that:

"The flag is that of my home country."

Logically correct I suppose, but somewhat lacking in the poetry and underlying complex range of values I was more wondering about.

You could perhaps add that it is has red on it and maybe even observe that it's also rectangular.
So in answer to my question what does the English flag mean to you, your response is that: "The flag is that of my home country." Logically correct I suppose, but somewhat lacking in the poetry and underlying complex range of values I was more wondering about. You could perhaps add that it is has red on it and maybe even observe that it's also rectangular. Ashles
  • Score: 10

12:12pm Mon 28 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Ashles wrote:
So in answer to my question what does the English flag mean to you, your response is that:

"The flag is that of my home country."

Logically correct I suppose, but somewhat lacking in the poetry and underlying complex range of values I was more wondering about.

You could perhaps add that it is has red on it and maybe even observe that it's also rectangular.
My response was total correct, sorry.

There is nothing complex about it being the flag of my country, In fact, it's a very simple concept......but not simple enough for some, apparently.
[quote][p][bold]Ashles[/bold] wrote: So in answer to my question what does the English flag mean to you, your response is that: "The flag is that of my home country." Logically correct I suppose, but somewhat lacking in the poetry and underlying complex range of values I was more wondering about. You could perhaps add that it is has red on it and maybe even observe that it's also rectangular.[/p][/quote]My response was total correct, sorry. There is nothing complex about it being the flag of my country, In fact, it's a very simple concept......but not simple enough for some, apparently. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -3

12:15pm Mon 28 Apr 14

mimseycal says...

Love that photograph! If ever you are looking for an image that epitomizes a pride in England, a celebration of its values and a single package full of all that put the Great in Britain ... Look no further then the snarling visage of a tattoed, noggin shorn eejit brandishing his fist at those who disagree with him.
Love that photograph! If ever you are looking for an image that epitomizes a pride in England, a celebration of its values and a single package full of all that put the Great in Britain ... Look no further then the snarling visage of a tattoed, noggin shorn eejit brandishing his fist at those who disagree with him. mimseycal
  • Score: 15

12:16pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Ashles says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Ashles wrote: So in answer to my question what does the English flag mean to you, your response is that: "The flag is that of my home country." Logically correct I suppose, but somewhat lacking in the poetry and underlying complex range of values I was more wondering about. You could perhaps add that it is has red on it and maybe even observe that it's also rectangular.
My response was total correct, sorry. There is nothing complex about it being the flag of my country, In fact, it's a very simple concept......but not simple enough for some, apparently.
My mistake then.

I understood the Marchers for England claimed to be marching to express pride for concepts they believed to be represented by the English flag.

But in your case you were simply marching because you were very proud of your specific actual flag.
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ashles[/bold] wrote: So in answer to my question what does the English flag mean to you, your response is that: "The flag is that of my home country." Logically correct I suppose, but somewhat lacking in the poetry and underlying complex range of values I was more wondering about. You could perhaps add that it is has red on it and maybe even observe that it's also rectangular.[/p][/quote]My response was total correct, sorry. There is nothing complex about it being the flag of my country, In fact, it's a very simple concept......but not simple enough for some, apparently.[/p][/quote]My mistake then. I understood the Marchers for England claimed to be marching to express pride for concepts they believed to be represented by the English flag. But in your case you were simply marching because you were very proud of your specific actual flag. Ashles
  • Score: 9

12:16pm Mon 28 Apr 14

mimseycal says...

mimseycal wrote:
Love that photograph! If ever you are looking for an image that epitomizes a pride in England, a celebration of its values and a single package full of all that put the Great in Britain ... Look no further then the snarling visage of a tattoed, noggin shorn eejit brandishing his fist at those who disagree with him.
Shame no one has been able to teach the ape how to button his shirt properly ...
[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: Love that photograph! If ever you are looking for an image that epitomizes a pride in England, a celebration of its values and a single package full of all that put the Great in Britain ... Look no further then the snarling visage of a tattoed, noggin shorn eejit brandishing his fist at those who disagree with him.[/p][/quote]Shame no one has been able to teach the ape how to button his shirt properly ... mimseycal
  • Score: 4

12:17pm Mon 28 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Arrggh wrote:
Zeegee ffs- the first two years the march happened there was a considerable police presence even when there was no counter demo. The actions of those on the march resulted in opposition- racist and homophobic chants and people being attacked. The helicopter was there for the march- no other reason. You have repeatedly accused me of being against free speech for no other reason than I disagree with your views.
How about a public debate- would that be free enough for you?
You claim to have facts on your side- what could you possibly lose?
Those people who were attacked in the early years, it had nothing to do with their anger at patriots turning up, by any chance?

I've debated the issues, thanks, and frankly, it isn't a question of -win-or-lose'. It's a matter of Englishmen celebrating their country in a variety of ways (including the patron saint) and the actions of those who hate this country wanting to stop them doing so.

HTH
[quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: Zeegee ffs- the first two years the march happened there was a considerable police presence even when there was no counter demo. The actions of those on the march resulted in opposition- racist and homophobic chants and people being attacked. The helicopter was there for the march- no other reason. You have repeatedly accused me of being against free speech for no other reason than I disagree with your views. How about a public debate- would that be free enough for you? You claim to have facts on your side- what could you possibly lose?[/p][/quote]Those people who were attacked in the early years, it had nothing to do with their anger at patriots turning up, by any chance? I've debated the issues, thanks, and frankly, it isn't a question of -win-or-lose'. It's a matter of Englishmen celebrating their country in a variety of ways (including the patron saint) and the actions of those who hate this country wanting to stop them doing so. HTH ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -7

12:18pm Mon 28 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

mimseycal wrote:
mimseycal wrote:
Love that photograph! If ever you are looking for an image that epitomizes a pride in England, a celebration of its values and a single package full of all that put the Great in Britain ... Look no further then the snarling visage of a tattoed, noggin shorn eejit brandishing his fist at those who disagree with him.
Shame no one has been able to teach the ape how to button his shirt properly ...
So he's not allowed to respond to insults and abuse?
[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: Love that photograph! If ever you are looking for an image that epitomizes a pride in England, a celebration of its values and a single package full of all that put the Great in Britain ... Look no further then the snarling visage of a tattoed, noggin shorn eejit brandishing his fist at those who disagree with him.[/p][/quote]Shame no one has been able to teach the ape how to button his shirt properly ...[/p][/quote]So he's not allowed to respond to insults and abuse? ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -3

12:18pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Arrggh says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Ashles wrote:
So in answer to my question what does the English flag mean to you, your response is that:

"The flag is that of my home country."

Logically correct I suppose, but somewhat lacking in the poetry and underlying complex range of values I was more wondering about.

You could perhaps add that it is has red on it and maybe even observe that it's also rectangular.
My response was total correct, sorry.

There is nothing complex about it being the flag of my country, In fact, it's a very simple concept......but not simple enough for some, apparently.
So that is all it is to you and that should tell anyone all they need to know?
My countries flag is the Union Jack but I don't feel the need to shout about it.
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ashles[/bold] wrote: So in answer to my question what does the English flag mean to you, your response is that: "The flag is that of my home country." Logically correct I suppose, but somewhat lacking in the poetry and underlying complex range of values I was more wondering about. You could perhaps add that it is has red on it and maybe even observe that it's also rectangular.[/p][/quote]My response was total correct, sorry. There is nothing complex about it being the flag of my country, In fact, it's a very simple concept......but not simple enough for some, apparently.[/p][/quote]So that is all it is to you and that should tell anyone all they need to know? My countries flag is the Union Jack but I don't feel the need to shout about it. Arrggh
  • Score: 0

12:19pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Ashles says...

mimseycal wrote:
Love that photograph! If ever you are looking for an image that epitomizes a pride in England, a celebration of its values and a single package full of all that put the Great in Britain ... Look no further then the snarling visage of a tattoed, noggin shorn eejit brandishing his fist at those who disagree with him.
He's shouting how proud he is of St George, the half Turkish, half Palestinian Roman soldier.

i think he's shouting the 'A' of 'ROMAAAN' or maybe 'PALESTINIAAAN'
[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: Love that photograph! If ever you are looking for an image that epitomizes a pride in England, a celebration of its values and a single package full of all that put the Great in Britain ... Look no further then the snarling visage of a tattoed, noggin shorn eejit brandishing his fist at those who disagree with him.[/p][/quote]He's shouting how proud he is of St George, the half Turkish, half Palestinian Roman soldier. i think he's shouting the 'A' of 'ROMAAAN' or maybe 'PALESTINIAAAN' Ashles
  • Score: 8

12:20pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Arrggh says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Arrggh wrote:
Zeegee ffs- the first two years the march happened there was a considerable police presence even when there was no counter demo. The actions of those on the march resulted in opposition- racist and homophobic chants and people being attacked. The helicopter was there for the march- no other reason. You have repeatedly accused me of being against free speech for no other reason than I disagree with your views.
How about a public debate- would that be free enough for you?
You claim to have facts on your side- what could you possibly lose?
Those people who were attacked in the early years, it had nothing to do with their anger at patriots turning up, by any chance?

I've debated the issues, thanks, and frankly, it isn't a question of -win-or-lose'. It's a matter of Englishmen celebrating their country in a variety of ways (including the patron saint) and the actions of those who hate this country wanting to stop them doing so.

HTH
So you don't want to discuss with an audience then? Surely you would show me up to be the liar you think I am?
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: Zeegee ffs- the first two years the march happened there was a considerable police presence even when there was no counter demo. The actions of those on the march resulted in opposition- racist and homophobic chants and people being attacked. The helicopter was there for the march- no other reason. You have repeatedly accused me of being against free speech for no other reason than I disagree with your views. How about a public debate- would that be free enough for you? You claim to have facts on your side- what could you possibly lose?[/p][/quote]Those people who were attacked in the early years, it had nothing to do with their anger at patriots turning up, by any chance? I've debated the issues, thanks, and frankly, it isn't a question of -win-or-lose'. It's a matter of Englishmen celebrating their country in a variety of ways (including the patron saint) and the actions of those who hate this country wanting to stop them doing so. HTH[/p][/quote]So you don't want to discuss with an audience then? Surely you would show me up to be the liar you think I am? Arrggh
  • Score: 0

12:25pm Mon 28 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Ashles wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Ashles wrote: So in answer to my question what does the English flag mean to you, your response is that: "The flag is that of my home country." Logically correct I suppose, but somewhat lacking in the poetry and underlying complex range of values I was more wondering about. You could perhaps add that it is has red on it and maybe even observe that it's also rectangular.
My response was total correct, sorry. There is nothing complex about it being the flag of my country, In fact, it's a very simple concept......but not simple enough for some, apparently.
My mistake then.

I understood the Marchers for England claimed to be marching to express pride for concepts they believed to be represented by the English flag.

But in your case you were simply marching because you were very proud of your specific actual flag.
"I understood the Marchers for England claimed to be marching to express pride for concepts they believed to be represented by the English flag."

Funny, but not an hour ago you said the marchers were people

" who march through Brighton attempting to link the flag with their own insecurities and unrepresntative prejudices and hatred."

This is despite you being told what they were there for. Odd!

"So that is all it is to you and that should tell anyone all they need to know?"

Yup! I was asked what the flag meant to me.

"My countries flag is the Union Jack ..."


The Union Flag doesn't represent a single country, sorry. It represents a union (the clue is in the name, funnily enough) of countries.

HTH
[quote][p][bold]Ashles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ashles[/bold] wrote: So in answer to my question what does the English flag mean to you, your response is that: "The flag is that of my home country." Logically correct I suppose, but somewhat lacking in the poetry and underlying complex range of values I was more wondering about. You could perhaps add that it is has red on it and maybe even observe that it's also rectangular.[/p][/quote]My response was total correct, sorry. There is nothing complex about it being the flag of my country, In fact, it's a very simple concept......but not simple enough for some, apparently.[/p][/quote]My mistake then. I understood the Marchers for England claimed to be marching to express pride for concepts they believed to be represented by the English flag. But in your case you were simply marching because you were very proud of your specific actual flag.[/p][/quote]"I understood the Marchers for England claimed to be marching to express pride for concepts they believed to be represented by the English flag." Funny, but not an hour ago you said the marchers were people " who march through Brighton attempting to link the flag with their own insecurities and unrepresntative prejudices and hatred." This is despite you being told what they were there for. Odd! "So that is all it is to you and that should tell anyone all they need to know?" Yup! I was asked what the flag meant to me. "My countries flag is the Union Jack ..." The Union Flag doesn't represent a single country, sorry. It represents a union (the clue is in the name, funnily enough) of countries. HTH ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -5

12:26pm Mon 28 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Arrggh wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Arrggh wrote:
Zeegee ffs- the first two years the march happened there was a considerable police presence even when there was no counter demo. The actions of those on the march resulted in opposition- racist and homophobic chants and people being attacked. The helicopter was there for the march- no other reason. You have repeatedly accused me of being against free speech for no other reason than I disagree with your views.
How about a public debate- would that be free enough for you?
You claim to have facts on your side- what could you possibly lose?
Those people who were attacked in the early years, it had nothing to do with their anger at patriots turning up, by any chance?

I've debated the issues, thanks, and frankly, it isn't a question of -win-or-lose'. It's a matter of Englishmen celebrating their country in a variety of ways (including the patron saint) and the actions of those who hate this country wanting to stop them doing so.

HTH
So you don't want to discuss with an audience then? Surely you would show me up to be the liar you think I am?
I thought I did have an audience for this thread.

So the responses to my posts are being generated by computer, or something? No-one reads this thread?

Oh dear.
[quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: Zeegee ffs- the first two years the march happened there was a considerable police presence even when there was no counter demo. The actions of those on the march resulted in opposition- racist and homophobic chants and people being attacked. The helicopter was there for the march- no other reason. You have repeatedly accused me of being against free speech for no other reason than I disagree with your views. How about a public debate- would that be free enough for you? You claim to have facts on your side- what could you possibly lose?[/p][/quote]Those people who were attacked in the early years, it had nothing to do with their anger at patriots turning up, by any chance? I've debated the issues, thanks, and frankly, it isn't a question of -win-or-lose'. It's a matter of Englishmen celebrating their country in a variety of ways (including the patron saint) and the actions of those who hate this country wanting to stop them doing so. HTH[/p][/quote]So you don't want to discuss with an audience then? Surely you would show me up to be the liar you think I am?[/p][/quote]I thought I did have an audience for this thread. So the responses to my posts are being generated by computer, or something? No-one reads this thread? Oh dear. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: 1

12:28pm Mon 28 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Ashles wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Ashles wrote: So in answer to my question what does the English flag mean to you, your response is that: "The flag is that of my home country." Logically correct I suppose, but somewhat lacking in the poetry and underlying complex range of values I was more wondering about. You could perhaps add that it is has red on it and maybe even observe that it's also rectangular.
My response was total correct, sorry. There is nothing complex about it being the flag of my country, In fact, it's a very simple concept......but not simple enough for some, apparently.
My mistake then.

I understood the Marchers for England claimed to be marching to express pride for concepts they believed to be represented by the English flag.

But in your case you were simply marching because you were very proud of your specific actual flag.
"I understood the Marchers for England claimed to be marching to express pride for concepts they believed to be represented by the English flag."

Funny, but not an hour ago you said the marchers were people

" who march through Brighton attempting to link the flag with their own insecurities and unrepresntative prejudices and hatred."

This is despite you being told what they were there for. Odd!

"So that is all it is to you and that should tell anyone all they need to know?"

Yup! I was asked what the flag meant to me.

"My countries flag is the Union Jack ..."


The Union Flag doesn't represent a single country, sorry. It represents a union (the clue is in the name, funnily enough) of countries.

HTH
Response to the wrong person.

I got Arrggh and Ashles mixed up.
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ashles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ashles[/bold] wrote: So in answer to my question what does the English flag mean to you, your response is that: "The flag is that of my home country." Logically correct I suppose, but somewhat lacking in the poetry and underlying complex range of values I was more wondering about. You could perhaps add that it is has red on it and maybe even observe that it's also rectangular.[/p][/quote]My response was total correct, sorry. There is nothing complex about it being the flag of my country, In fact, it's a very simple concept......but not simple enough for some, apparently.[/p][/quote]My mistake then. I understood the Marchers for England claimed to be marching to express pride for concepts they believed to be represented by the English flag. But in your case you were simply marching because you were very proud of your specific actual flag.[/p][/quote]"I understood the Marchers for England claimed to be marching to express pride for concepts they believed to be represented by the English flag." Funny, but not an hour ago you said the marchers were people " who march through Brighton attempting to link the flag with their own insecurities and unrepresntative prejudices and hatred." This is despite you being told what they were there for. Odd! "So that is all it is to you and that should tell anyone all they need to know?" Yup! I was asked what the flag meant to me. "My countries flag is the Union Jack ..." The Union Flag doesn't represent a single country, sorry. It represents a union (the clue is in the name, funnily enough) of countries. HTH[/p][/quote]Response to the wrong person. I got Arrggh and Ashles mixed up. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -1

12:29pm Mon 28 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Arrggh wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Arrggh wrote:
Zeegee ffs- the first two years the march happened there was a considerable police presence even when there was no counter demo. The actions of those on the march resulted in opposition- racist and homophobic chants and people being attacked. The helicopter was there for the march- no other reason. You have repeatedly accused me of being against free speech for no other reason than I disagree with your views.
How about a public debate- would that be free enough for you?
You claim to have facts on your side- what could you possibly lose?
Those people who were attacked in the early years, it had nothing to do with their anger at patriots turning up, by any chance?

I've debated the issues, thanks, and frankly, it isn't a question of -win-or-lose'. It's a matter of Englishmen celebrating their country in a variety of ways (including the patron saint) and the actions of those who hate this country wanting to stop them doing so.

HTH
So you don't want to discuss with an audience then? Surely you would show me up to be the liar you think I am?
I proved you were lying, remember, when you claimed that I had said that sharia law has been incorporated into English Law.

You were subsequently unable to quote me saying so.

HTH
[quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: Zeegee ffs- the first two years the march happened there was a considerable police presence even when there was no counter demo. The actions of those on the march resulted in opposition- racist and homophobic chants and people being attacked. The helicopter was there for the march- no other reason. You have repeatedly accused me of being against free speech for no other reason than I disagree with your views. How about a public debate- would that be free enough for you? You claim to have facts on your side- what could you possibly lose?[/p][/quote]Those people who were attacked in the early years, it had nothing to do with their anger at patriots turning up, by any chance? I've debated the issues, thanks, and frankly, it isn't a question of -win-or-lose'. It's a matter of Englishmen celebrating their country in a variety of ways (including the patron saint) and the actions of those who hate this country wanting to stop them doing so. HTH[/p][/quote]So you don't want to discuss with an audience then? Surely you would show me up to be the liar you think I am?[/p][/quote]I proved you were lying, remember, when you claimed that I had said that sharia law has been incorporated into English Law. You were subsequently unable to quote me saying so. HTH ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: 0

12:29pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Arrggh says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Arrggh wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Arrggh wrote:
Zeegee ffs- the first two years the march happened there was a considerable police presence even when there was no counter demo. The actions of those on the march resulted in opposition- racist and homophobic chants and people being attacked. The helicopter was there for the march- no other reason. You have repeatedly accused me of being against free speech for no other reason than I disagree with your views.
How about a public debate- would that be free enough for you?
You claim to have facts on your side- what could you possibly lose?
Those people who were attacked in the early years, it had nothing to do with their anger at patriots turning up, by any chance?

I've debated the issues, thanks, and frankly, it isn't a question of -win-or-lose'. It's a matter of Englishmen celebrating their country in a variety of ways (including the patron saint) and the actions of those who hate this country wanting to stop them doing so.

HTH
So you don't want to discuss with an audience then? Surely you would show me up to be the liar you think I am?
I thought I did have an audience for this thread.

So the responses to my posts are being generated by computer, or something? No-one reads this thread?

Oh dear.
A larger audience then- astonished that needed clarifying. Don't you want to embarrass me in public? You talk as though it would be easy- but is it different when people can see you?
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: Zeegee ffs- the first two years the march happened there was a considerable police presence even when there was no counter demo. The actions of those on the march resulted in opposition- racist and homophobic chants and people being attacked. The helicopter was there for the march- no other reason. You have repeatedly accused me of being against free speech for no other reason than I disagree with your views. How about a public debate- would that be free enough for you? You claim to have facts on your side- what could you possibly lose?[/p][/quote]Those people who were attacked in the early years, it had nothing to do with their anger at patriots turning up, by any chance? I've debated the issues, thanks, and frankly, it isn't a question of -win-or-lose'. It's a matter of Englishmen celebrating their country in a variety of ways (including the patron saint) and the actions of those who hate this country wanting to stop them doing so. HTH[/p][/quote]So you don't want to discuss with an audience then? Surely you would show me up to be the liar you think I am?[/p][/quote]I thought I did have an audience for this thread. So the responses to my posts are being generated by computer, or something? No-one reads this thread? Oh dear.[/p][/quote]A larger audience then- astonished that needed clarifying. Don't you want to embarrass me in public? You talk as though it would be easy- but is it different when people can see you? Arrggh
  • Score: 2

12:37pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Ashles says...

"I understood the Marchers for England claimed to be marching to express pride for concepts they believed to be represented by the English flag." Funny, but not an hour ago you said the marchers were people "who march through Brighton attempting to link the flag with their own insecurities and unrepresntative prejudices and hatred." This is despite you being told what they were there for. Odd!"

I have been asking for people to offer explanations of what they were marching FOR, what 'English Values' they feel are represented by being 'English'. We've all seen a long list of what they're marching against, but then that would be a protest march and apparently this isn't one of those, it's a march of pride.
I still have been given no answer as to what the pride is for. What English values they hold dear and are worried are being eroded.
It seems no-one is able to detail what the MfE is marching for without resorting to criticism and negativity towards other races and cultures.

"So that is all it is to you and that should tell anyone all they need to know?"
Yup! I was asked what the flag meant to me."

That's all it means to you. Strange reason to go on a march - to show you can identify the flag of your country.
"I understood the Marchers for England claimed to be marching to express pride for concepts they believed to be represented by the English flag." Funny, but not an hour ago you said the marchers were people "who march through Brighton attempting to link the flag with their own insecurities and unrepresntative prejudices and hatred." This is despite you being told what they were there for. Odd!" I have been asking for people to offer explanations of what they were marching FOR, what 'English Values' they feel are represented by being 'English'. We've all seen a long list of what they're marching against, but then that would be a protest march and apparently this isn't one of those, it's a march of pride. I still have been given no answer as to what the pride is for. What English values they hold dear and are worried are being eroded. It seems no-one is able to detail what the MfE is marching for without resorting to criticism and negativity towards other races and cultures. "So that is all it is to you and that should tell anyone all they need to know?" Yup! I was asked what the flag meant to me." That's all it means to you. Strange reason to go on a march - to show you can identify the flag of your country. Ashles
  • Score: 5

12:43pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Andy R says...

Fight_Back wrote:
Andy R wrote:
JHunty wrote:
Andy R wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
Andy R wrote:
DC Brighton wrote:
Couldn't they all have been directed over that dodgy bit of road on the seafront?
And by "all" I mean both the soap dodgers and the skinheads.
Why should it be forced upon the same city every year? Freedom of speech is one thing, but I can't imagine too many Brighton residents are pleased to have this foisted upon them - except media-desperate Caroline Lucas (if she lives in Brighton at all).

Oh yeah, and the same goes for sponsored bike rides. The London to Brighton is fine since it has tradition on its side. All the others should go via Worthing, Eastbourne, Littlehampton etc.
I was on the counter demo and I am not a "soap dodger". In fact I took a shower as soon as I got home. A very necessary action after a spending any time at all up close and personal with the "March for England".
Then people like you and Lucas are as vile and repugnant as the MfE marchers. STOP the violence !!!!!!!!!!!
"Fight_Back" thnks I'm "vile" and "repugnant".



I think I'll get over it.
Were you there when your mates attacked the WPC? Did you help her or stand there chanting about who killed Mark Duggan?
Well one thing's for sure....you won't have been there. But I guess you'll soon be faithfully regurgitating the EDL's propaganda as always.
I note no denial then ? It wasn't you by chance that attacked the WPC ? Maybe you were one of the balaclava wearing thugs who attacked the MfE people just sitting in a pub ?

The violence is caused by BOTH sides and that makes any supporter of either side a supporter of violent protest. As a Union leader you really should be ashamed of yourself supporting violent protest. Maybe next time you and your members are stood on a picket line anyone who objects to your strike can come and throw things at you and beat you up ?
While we're on "maybe's", maybe you need to calm down and take care over what allegations you make on a public forum.
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JHunty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DC Brighton[/bold] wrote: Couldn't they all have been directed over that dodgy bit of road on the seafront? And by "all" I mean both the soap dodgers and the skinheads. Why should it be forced upon the same city every year? Freedom of speech is one thing, but I can't imagine too many Brighton residents are pleased to have this foisted upon them - except media-desperate Caroline Lucas (if she lives in Brighton at all). Oh yeah, and the same goes for sponsored bike rides. The London to Brighton is fine since it has tradition on its side. All the others should go via Worthing, Eastbourne, Littlehampton etc.[/p][/quote]I was on the counter demo and I am not a "soap dodger". In fact I took a shower as soon as I got home. A very necessary action after a spending any time at all up close and personal with the "March for England".[/p][/quote]Then people like you and Lucas are as vile and repugnant as the MfE marchers. STOP the violence !!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]"Fight_Back" thnks I'm "vile" and "repugnant". I think I'll get over it.[/p][/quote]Were you there when your mates attacked the WPC? Did you help her or stand there chanting about who killed Mark Duggan?[/p][/quote]Well one thing's for sure....you won't have been there. But I guess you'll soon be faithfully regurgitating the EDL's propaganda as always.[/p][/quote]I note no denial then ? It wasn't you by chance that attacked the WPC ? Maybe you were one of the balaclava wearing thugs who attacked the MfE people just sitting in a pub ? The violence is caused by BOTH sides and that makes any supporter of either side a supporter of violent protest. As a Union leader you really should be ashamed of yourself supporting violent protest. Maybe next time you and your members are stood on a picket line anyone who objects to your strike can come and throw things at you and beat you up ?[/p][/quote]While we're on "maybe's", maybe you need to calm down and take care over what allegations you make on a public forum. Andy R
  • Score: 0

1:05pm Mon 28 Apr 14

B rian Tawses left foot says...

Ashles says...

"the emergence of the 'Tea Party' and original thinking politicians like Ron Paul"
Being a racist and a moron is hardly an 'original' stance.
The Tea Party are equally mocked and widely lambasted in the US as the BNP here. The Tea Party have the same continual embarassment when their members do/say something stupid as UKIP do. They're a conservative's wet dream but even less likely to ever achieve anything in the US than UKIP are here (the US is more multicutural than the UK).

"A bankrupt country"
(it isn't nor even close to it)
"with large areas of our cities turned into ethnically based ghettos."
All major cities have this. it's a fairly natural development and not one to fear. There are always areas of significant crime but these are more likely to do with socio-economic factors and as likely to be filled with white inhabitants than other.

Anyway what's your alternative? That they all be encouraged to mix equally everywhere? Lovely - true multicuturalism. No ghettos.

But if not that then what? You don't want big government, you don't want liberal welfare state, you don't want isolationism, you don't want a religious based government, you don't support the influence of business...
I can see lots of things you dopn't want, but I'm still waiting for you to propose something that you DO want.
What political approach would you suggest the country employs?

To call Ron Paul 'a moron' is frankly pathetic. Apart from anything else he is a qualified doctor who worked for minimum wage to treat poor people. I doubt that you have done anything much for the poor. The Tea Party is simply pointing out that governments can only spend money, tax people, borrow money and more ruinously print money. They can never create wealth or jobs. Of course the liberal establishment sneer at them - they only want to carry on with the same old failed policies, which of course are based on the fallacy that governments can spend their way to prosperity.
Your assertion that Britain is not bankrupt - or anywhere near it. I suggest that you acquaint yourself with the facts before making yourself look silly in public. Government borrowing has increased hugely since the war. Despite the present government's 'austerity' government spending has hugely increased in the last four years. If lenders decide it is out of control then the 'Greek experience' would be small potatoes.
Ultimately people are forced to march as they did yesterday because it is the government's bounden duty to control immigration at the point of entry. Because they have dismally failed to do so the real prospect of raised racial tension is very real. If the economy unravels as many of us fear, ethnic cleansing - the history of mankind from the displacement of the Neanderthals onwards - is real prospect.
Government's duties are to administer the legal system, control immigration at the point of entry and to ensure the value of the currency. Otherwise it should get the hell out of our lives - and while it's at it end the ludicrous and unwinnable 'war on terror' and 'war on drugs'.
There - clear enough for you ?
Ashles says... "the emergence of the 'Tea Party' and original thinking politicians like Ron Paul" Being a racist and a moron is hardly an 'original' stance. The Tea Party are equally mocked and widely lambasted in the US as the BNP here. The Tea Party have the same continual embarassment when their members do/say something stupid as UKIP do. They're a conservative's wet dream but even less likely to ever achieve anything in the US than UKIP are here (the US is more multicutural than the UK). "A bankrupt country" (it isn't nor even close to it) "with large areas of our cities turned into ethnically based ghettos." All major cities have this. it's a fairly natural development and not one to fear. There are always areas of significant crime but these are more likely to do with socio-economic factors and as likely to be filled with white inhabitants than other. Anyway what's your alternative? That they all be encouraged to mix equally everywhere? Lovely - true multicuturalism. No ghettos. But if not that then what? You don't want big government, you don't want liberal welfare state, you don't want isolationism, you don't want a religious based government, you don't support the influence of business... I can see lots of things you dopn't want, but I'm still waiting for you to propose something that you DO want. What political approach would you suggest the country employs? To call Ron Paul 'a moron' is frankly pathetic. Apart from anything else he is a qualified doctor who worked for minimum wage to treat poor people. I doubt that you have done anything much for the poor. The Tea Party is simply pointing out that governments can only spend money, tax people, borrow money and more ruinously print money. They can never create wealth or jobs. Of course the liberal establishment sneer at them - they only want to carry on with the same old failed policies, which of course are based on the fallacy that governments can spend their way to prosperity. Your assertion that Britain is not bankrupt - or anywhere near it. I suggest that you acquaint yourself with the facts before making yourself look silly in public. Government borrowing has increased hugely since the war. Despite the present government's 'austerity' government spending has hugely increased in the last four years. If lenders decide it is out of control then the 'Greek experience' would be small potatoes. Ultimately people are forced to march as they did yesterday because it is the government's bounden duty to control immigration at the point of entry. Because they have dismally failed to do so the real prospect of raised racial tension is very real. If the economy unravels as many of us fear, ethnic cleansing - the history of mankind from the displacement of the Neanderthals onwards - is real prospect. Government's duties are to administer the legal system, control immigration at the point of entry and to ensure the value of the currency. Otherwise it should get the hell out of our lives - and while it's at it end the ludicrous and unwinnable 'war on terror' and 'war on drugs'. There - clear enough for you ? B rian Tawses left foot
  • Score: -3

1:07pm Mon 28 Apr 14

DC Brighton says...

Fight_Back wrote:
Andy R wrote:
DC Brighton wrote:
Couldn't they all have been directed over that dodgy bit of road on the seafront?
And by "all" I mean both the soap dodgers and the skinheads.
Why should it be forced upon the same city every year? Freedom of speech is one thing, but I can't imagine too many Brighton residents are pleased to have this foisted upon them - except media-desperate Caroline Lucas (if she lives in Brighton at all).

Oh yeah, and the same goes for sponsored bike rides. The London to Brighton is fine since it has tradition on its side. All the others should go via Worthing, Eastbourne, Littlehampton etc.
I was on the counter demo and I am not a "soap dodger". In fact I took a shower as soon as I got home. A very necessary action after a spending any time at all up close and personal with the "March for England".
Then people like you and Lucas are as vile and repugnant as the MfE marchers. STOP the violence !!!!!!!!!!!
Well said!
A demo against a demo. I might hold a demonstration against that. It won't be any trouble though. Honest.
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DC Brighton[/bold] wrote: Couldn't they all have been directed over that dodgy bit of road on the seafront? And by "all" I mean both the soap dodgers and the skinheads. Why should it be forced upon the same city every year? Freedom of speech is one thing, but I can't imagine too many Brighton residents are pleased to have this foisted upon them - except media-desperate Caroline Lucas (if she lives in Brighton at all). Oh yeah, and the same goes for sponsored bike rides. The London to Brighton is fine since it has tradition on its side. All the others should go via Worthing, Eastbourne, Littlehampton etc.[/p][/quote]I was on the counter demo and I am not a "soap dodger". In fact I took a shower as soon as I got home. A very necessary action after a spending any time at all up close and personal with the "March for England".[/p][/quote]Then people like you and Lucas are as vile and repugnant as the MfE marchers. STOP the violence !!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Well said! A demo against a demo. I might hold a demonstration against that. It won't be any trouble though. Honest. DC Brighton
  • Score: 2

1:14pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Fight_Back says...

Andy R wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
Andy R wrote:
JHunty wrote:
Andy R wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
Andy R wrote:
DC Brighton wrote:
Couldn't they all have been directed over that dodgy bit of road on the seafront?
And by "all" I mean both the soap dodgers and the skinheads.
Why should it be forced upon the same city every year? Freedom of speech is one thing, but I can't imagine too many Brighton residents are pleased to have this foisted upon them - except media-desperate Caroline Lucas (if she lives in Brighton at all).

Oh yeah, and the same goes for sponsored bike rides. The London to Brighton is fine since it has tradition on its side. All the others should go via Worthing, Eastbourne, Littlehampton etc.
I was on the counter demo and I am not a "soap dodger". In fact I took a shower as soon as I got home. A very necessary action after a spending any time at all up close and personal with the "March for England".
Then people like you and Lucas are as vile and repugnant as the MfE marchers. STOP the violence !!!!!!!!!!!
"Fight_Back" thnks I'm "vile" and "repugnant".



I think I'll get over it.
Were you there when your mates attacked the WPC? Did you help her or stand there chanting about who killed Mark Duggan?
Well one thing's for sure....you won't have been there. But I guess you'll soon be faithfully regurgitating the EDL's propaganda as always.
I note no denial then ? It wasn't you by chance that attacked the WPC ? Maybe you were one of the balaclava wearing thugs who attacked the MfE people just sitting in a pub ?

The violence is caused by BOTH sides and that makes any supporter of either side a supporter of violent protest. As a Union leader you really should be ashamed of yourself supporting violent protest. Maybe next time you and your members are stood on a picket line anyone who objects to your strike can come and throw things at you and beat you up ?
While we're on "maybe's", maybe you need to calm down and take care over what allegations you make on a public forum.
I've asked you not accused you. Maybe you'd like to like to condemn the people that attacked the WPC and condemn the violence by the anti's ?
[quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JHunty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DC Brighton[/bold] wrote: Couldn't they all have been directed over that dodgy bit of road on the seafront? And by "all" I mean both the soap dodgers and the skinheads. Why should it be forced upon the same city every year? Freedom of speech is one thing, but I can't imagine too many Brighton residents are pleased to have this foisted upon them - except media-desperate Caroline Lucas (if she lives in Brighton at all). Oh yeah, and the same goes for sponsored bike rides. The London to Brighton is fine since it has tradition on its side. All the others should go via Worthing, Eastbourne, Littlehampton etc.[/p][/quote]I was on the counter demo and I am not a "soap dodger". In fact I took a shower as soon as I got home. A very necessary action after a spending any time at all up close and personal with the "March for England".[/p][/quote]Then people like you and Lucas are as vile and repugnant as the MfE marchers. STOP the violence !!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]"Fight_Back" thnks I'm "vile" and "repugnant". I think I'll get over it.[/p][/quote]Were you there when your mates attacked the WPC? Did you help her or stand there chanting about who killed Mark Duggan?[/p][/quote]Well one thing's for sure....you won't have been there. But I guess you'll soon be faithfully regurgitating the EDL's propaganda as always.[/p][/quote]I note no denial then ? It wasn't you by chance that attacked the WPC ? Maybe you were one of the balaclava wearing thugs who attacked the MfE people just sitting in a pub ? The violence is caused by BOTH sides and that makes any supporter of either side a supporter of violent protest. As a Union leader you really should be ashamed of yourself supporting violent protest. Maybe next time you and your members are stood on a picket line anyone who objects to your strike can come and throw things at you and beat you up ?[/p][/quote]While we're on "maybe's", maybe you need to calm down and take care over what allegations you make on a public forum.[/p][/quote]I've asked you not accused you. Maybe you'd like to like to condemn the people that attacked the WPC and condemn the violence by the anti's ? Fight_Back
  • Score: 1

1:20pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Mr chock says...

DC Brighton wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
Andy R wrote:
DC Brighton wrote:
Couldn't they all have been directed over that dodgy bit of road on the seafront?
And by "all" I mean both the soap dodgers and the skinheads.
Why should it be forced upon the same city every year? Freedom of speech is one thing, but I can't imagine too many Brighton residents are pleased to have this foisted upon them - except media-desperate Caroline Lucas (if she lives in Brighton at all).

Oh yeah, and the same goes for sponsored bike rides. The London to Brighton is fine since it has tradition on its side. All the others should go via Worthing, Eastbourne, Littlehampton etc.
I was on the counter demo and I am not a "soap dodger". In fact I took a shower as soon as I got home. A very necessary action after a spending any time at all up close and personal with the "March for England".
Then people like you and Lucas are as vile and repugnant as the MfE marchers. STOP the violence !!!!!!!!!!!
Well said!
A demo against a demo. I might hold a demonstration against that. It won't be any trouble though. Honest.
.. it was a march by the march for England , the other marching factor was i guess another group of folks , if you want to march then march . i was cycling about loads that day and i have to say i am shocked the amount of graffiti "vote Ukip " i saw .." its slowly being removed the clean up after seems to be in full swing sadly the comments on this will continue for long long time LETS just hope it didn't cost to much for the fragile shops economie along the south coast it was not wonderful weather but every sunny day the ice cream shops must relish "one day disruption by angry men "MOSTLY MEN i saw a few angry ladies.." ..btw the Jag car gathering was also a great event the argus could focus more on that and the " saturday car event i never knew anything about was it USA muscle cars ?
[quote][p][bold]DC Brighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DC Brighton[/bold] wrote: Couldn't they all have been directed over that dodgy bit of road on the seafront? And by "all" I mean both the soap dodgers and the skinheads. Why should it be forced upon the same city every year? Freedom of speech is one thing, but I can't imagine too many Brighton residents are pleased to have this foisted upon them - except media-desperate Caroline Lucas (if she lives in Brighton at all). Oh yeah, and the same goes for sponsored bike rides. The London to Brighton is fine since it has tradition on its side. All the others should go via Worthing, Eastbourne, Littlehampton etc.[/p][/quote]I was on the counter demo and I am not a "soap dodger". In fact I took a shower as soon as I got home. A very necessary action after a spending any time at all up close and personal with the "March for England".[/p][/quote]Then people like you and Lucas are as vile and repugnant as the MfE marchers. STOP the violence !!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Well said! A demo against a demo. I might hold a demonstration against that. It won't be any trouble though. Honest.[/p][/quote].. it was a march by the march for England , the other marching factor was i guess another group of folks , if you want to march then march . i was cycling about loads that day and i have to say i am shocked the amount of graffiti "vote Ukip " i saw .." its slowly being removed the clean up after seems to be in full swing sadly the comments on this will continue for long long time LETS just hope it didn't cost to much for the fragile shops economie along the south coast it was not wonderful weather but every sunny day the ice cream shops must relish "one day disruption by angry men "MOSTLY MEN i saw a few angry ladies.." ..btw the Jag car gathering was also a great event the argus could focus more on that and the " saturday car event i never knew anything about was it USA muscle cars ? Mr chock
  • Score: -1

1:22pm Mon 28 Apr 14

GJ12345 says...

Reading through a lot of these comments I don't think Brighton is diverse or tolerant. These people choose to believe in something different so who are we to stop them. Everyone should have an opinion and a right to express that opinion but the hate for these people is ridiculous and the violence that comes along with it is a joke. If everyone had the same beliefs and opinions the world would be a very boring place. You don't need to get violent because these people choose to believe in something different you can have a peaceful protest of for and against.
Reading through a lot of these comments I don't think Brighton is diverse or tolerant. These people choose to believe in something different so who are we to stop them. Everyone should have an opinion and a right to express that opinion but the hate for these people is ridiculous and the violence that comes along with it is a joke. If everyone had the same beliefs and opinions the world would be a very boring place. You don't need to get violent because these people choose to believe in something different you can have a peaceful protest of for and against. GJ12345
  • Score: 9

1:25pm Mon 28 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Ashles wrote:
"I understood the Marchers for England claimed to be marching to express pride for concepts they believed to be represented by the English flag." Funny, but not an hour ago you said the marchers were people "who march through Brighton attempting to link the flag with their own insecurities and unrepresntative prejudices and hatred." This is despite you being told what they were there for. Odd!"

I have been asking for people to offer explanations of what they were marching FOR, what 'English Values' they feel are represented by being 'English'. We've all seen a long list of what they're marching against, but then that would be a protest march and apparently this isn't one of those, it's a march of pride.
I still have been given no answer as to what the pride is for. What English values they hold dear and are worried are being eroded.
It seems no-one is able to detail what the MfE is marching for without resorting to criticism and negativity towards other races and cultures.

"So that is all it is to you and that should tell anyone all they need to know?"
Yup! I was asked what the flag meant to me."

That's all it means to you. Strange reason to go on a march - to show you can identify the flag of your country.
That wasn't the reason that I attended.

You were told the reason earlier, yet comprehension isn't your forte.

Prejudice, ignorance and bigotry are very much what you're about.

Time for your first bath this year?
[quote][p][bold]Ashles[/bold] wrote: "I understood the Marchers for England claimed to be marching to express pride for concepts they believed to be represented by the English flag." Funny, but not an hour ago you said the marchers were people "who march through Brighton attempting to link the flag with their own insecurities and unrepresntative prejudices and hatred." This is despite you being told what they were there for. Odd!" I have been asking for people to offer explanations of what they were marching FOR, what 'English Values' they feel are represented by being 'English'. We've all seen a long list of what they're marching against, but then that would be a protest march and apparently this isn't one of those, it's a march of pride. I still have been given no answer as to what the pride is for. What English values they hold dear and are worried are being eroded. It seems no-one is able to detail what the MfE is marching for without resorting to criticism and negativity towards other races and cultures. "So that is all it is to you and that should tell anyone all they need to know?" Yup! I was asked what the flag meant to me." That's all it means to you. Strange reason to go on a march - to show you can identify the flag of your country.[/p][/quote]That wasn't the reason that I attended. You were told the reason earlier, yet comprehension isn't your forte. Prejudice, ignorance and bigotry are very much what you're about. Time for your first bath this year? ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -4

1:27pm Mon 28 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Arrggh wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Arrggh wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Arrggh wrote:
Zeegee ffs- the first two years the march happened there was a considerable police presence even when there was no counter demo. The actions of those on the march resulted in opposition- racist and homophobic chants and people being attacked. The helicopter was there for the march- no other reason. You have repeatedly accused me of being against free speech for no other reason than I disagree with your views.
How about a public debate- would that be free enough for you?
You claim to have facts on your side- what could you possibly lose?
Those people who were attacked in the early years, it had nothing to do with their anger at patriots turning up, by any chance?

I've debated the issues, thanks, and frankly, it isn't a question of -win-or-lose'. It's a matter of Englishmen celebrating their country in a variety of ways (including the patron saint) and the actions of those who hate this country wanting to stop them doing so.

HTH
So you don't want to discuss with an audience then? Surely you would show me up to be the liar you think I am?
I thought I did have an audience for this thread.

So the responses to my posts are being generated by computer, or something? No-one reads this thread?

Oh dear.
A larger audience then- astonished that needed clarifying. Don't you want to embarrass me in public? You talk as though it would be easy- but is it different when people can see you?
There's no need to meet ever. We've made our points, you've been caught lying and shown how ignorant you are, and neither of us is likely to change our stance.

Same time next year?
[quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: Zeegee ffs- the first two years the march happened there was a considerable police presence even when there was no counter demo. The actions of those on the march resulted in opposition- racist and homophobic chants and people being attacked. The helicopter was there for the march- no other reason. You have repeatedly accused me of being against free speech for no other reason than I disagree with your views. How about a public debate- would that be free enough for you? You claim to have facts on your side- what could you possibly lose?[/p][/quote]Those people who were attacked in the early years, it had nothing to do with their anger at patriots turning up, by any chance? I've debated the issues, thanks, and frankly, it isn't a question of -win-or-lose'. It's a matter of Englishmen celebrating their country in a variety of ways (including the patron saint) and the actions of those who hate this country wanting to stop them doing so. HTH[/p][/quote]So you don't want to discuss with an audience then? Surely you would show me up to be the liar you think I am?[/p][/quote]I thought I did have an audience for this thread. So the responses to my posts are being generated by computer, or something? No-one reads this thread? Oh dear.[/p][/quote]A larger audience then- astonished that needed clarifying. Don't you want to embarrass me in public? You talk as though it would be easy- but is it different when people can see you?[/p][/quote]There's no need to meet ever. We've made our points, you've been caught lying and shown how ignorant you are, and neither of us is likely to change our stance. Same time next year? ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -4

1:37pm Mon 28 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

GJ12345 wrote:
Reading through a lot of these comments I don't think Brighton is diverse or tolerant. These people choose to believe in something different so who are we to stop them. Everyone should have an opinion and a right to express that opinion but the hate for these people is ridiculous and the violence that comes along with it is a joke. If everyone had the same beliefs and opinions the world would be a very boring place. You don't need to get violent because these people choose to believe in something different you can have a peaceful protest of for and against.
Excellent point!

'Diversity' apparently means " allowing different things but only if I like them"

'Diversity' is one of countries major problems, and it is shown by the existence of the UAF. For decades, Englishmen have had their culture eroded, and it's reached a point where they face anger for merely expressing their patriotism. The MFE and other events had nothing to do with racism or hatred from those taking part. If it had, then the police would have made arrests.

The very fact that 'diversity' exists shows that the host culture is being reduced and sidelined. if the same were happening in Africa or the Amazon region, people like Caroline Lucas would be up in arms. The fact that The Empire is used almost as an insult to our past shows this, and yet Luces et al actively and openly promote the erosion of Britain's culture.

'Racism' arises when two or more cultures are forced to live alongside each other. It is displayed by those of both cultures, although it seems that Lenny Henry can be racist as much as he likes to the host culture. Funny, I didn't see Lucas getting all worked up about that, but there she was lambasting those on the MFE for being English and proud.

And the intolerance shown towards those who oppose gay marriage is astounding.

No, the UAF etc are a problem in this country. Self-hate is a tricky area to deal with.
[quote][p][bold]GJ12345[/bold] wrote: Reading through a lot of these comments I don't think Brighton is diverse or tolerant. These people choose to believe in something different so who are we to stop them. Everyone should have an opinion and a right to express that opinion but the hate for these people is ridiculous and the violence that comes along with it is a joke. If everyone had the same beliefs and opinions the world would be a very boring place. You don't need to get violent because these people choose to believe in something different you can have a peaceful protest of for and against.[/p][/quote]Excellent point! 'Diversity' apparently means " allowing different things but only if I like them" 'Diversity' is one of countries major problems, and it is shown by the existence of the UAF. For decades, Englishmen have had their culture eroded, and it's reached a point where they face anger for merely expressing their patriotism. The MFE and other events had nothing to do with racism or hatred from those taking part. If it had, then the police would have made arrests. The very fact that 'diversity' exists shows that the host culture is being reduced and sidelined. if the same were happening in Africa or the Amazon region, people like Caroline Lucas would be up in arms. The fact that The Empire is used almost as an insult to our past shows this, and yet Luces et al actively and openly promote the erosion of Britain's culture. 'Racism' arises when two or more cultures are forced to live alongside each other. It is displayed by those of both cultures, although it seems that Lenny Henry can be racist as much as he likes to the host culture. Funny, I didn't see Lucas getting all worked up about that, but there she was lambasting those on the MFE for being English and proud. And the intolerance shown towards those who oppose gay marriage is astounding. No, the UAF etc are a problem in this country. Self-hate is a tricky area to deal with. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: 3

1:55pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Ballroom Blitz says...

In this country we have the right of peaceful protest. Holding an EDL march in Brighton was always designed to provocative, and anyone suggesting otherwise is being disingenuous.
So, in my view, it should never be allowed again. It's not peaceful protest. Ban it.
The cost to the city is supposedly half a million just to police it, never mind the loss of earning to local businesses. That works out at £5000 per each EDL marcher.
This liberal madness has got to stop. They aren't wanted here by anybody. They don't live in Brighton. Let them march in their own hometowns.
In this country we have the right of peaceful protest. Holding an EDL march in Brighton was always designed to provocative, and anyone suggesting otherwise is being disingenuous. So, in my view, it should never be allowed again. It's not peaceful protest. Ban it. The cost to the city is supposedly half a million just to police it, never mind the loss of earning to local businesses. That works out at £5000 per each EDL marcher. This liberal madness has got to stop. They aren't wanted here by anybody. They don't live in Brighton. Let them march in their own hometowns. Ballroom Blitz
  • Score: 3

2:11pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Arrggh says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Arrggh wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Arrggh wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Arrggh wrote:
Zeegee ffs- the first two years the march happened there was a considerable police presence even when there was no counter demo. The actions of those on the march resulted in opposition- racist and homophobic chants and people being attacked. The helicopter was there for the march- no other reason. You have repeatedly accused me of being against free speech for no other reason than I disagree with your views.
How about a public debate- would that be free enough for you?
You claim to have facts on your side- what could you possibly lose?
Those people who were attacked in the early years, it had nothing to do with their anger at patriots turning up, by any chance?

I've debated the issues, thanks, and frankly, it isn't a question of -win-or-lose'. It's a matter of Englishmen celebrating their country in a variety of ways (including the patron saint) and the actions of those who hate this country wanting to stop them doing so.

HTH
So you don't want to discuss with an audience then? Surely you would show me up to be the liar you think I am?
I thought I did have an audience for this thread.

So the responses to my posts are being generated by computer, or something? No-one reads this thread?

Oh dear.
A larger audience then- astonished that needed clarifying. Don't you want to embarrass me in public? You talk as though it would be easy- but is it different when people can see you?
There's no need to meet ever. We've made our points, you've been caught lying and shown how ignorant you are, and neither of us is likely to change our stance.

Same time next year?
So you don't think you can prove the lie in public then?
Ignorant- how about thinking that Sharia doesn't prohibit the sale of alcohol?
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: Zeegee ffs- the first two years the march happened there was a considerable police presence even when there was no counter demo. The actions of those on the march resulted in opposition- racist and homophobic chants and people being attacked. The helicopter was there for the march- no other reason. You have repeatedly accused me of being against free speech for no other reason than I disagree with your views. How about a public debate- would that be free enough for you? You claim to have facts on your side- what could you possibly lose?[/p][/quote]Those people who were attacked in the early years, it had nothing to do with their anger at patriots turning up, by any chance? I've debated the issues, thanks, and frankly, it isn't a question of -win-or-lose'. It's a matter of Englishmen celebrating their country in a variety of ways (including the patron saint) and the actions of those who hate this country wanting to stop them doing so. HTH[/p][/quote]So you don't want to discuss with an audience then? Surely you would show me up to be the liar you think I am?[/p][/quote]I thought I did have an audience for this thread. So the responses to my posts are being generated by computer, or something? No-one reads this thread? Oh dear.[/p][/quote]A larger audience then- astonished that needed clarifying. Don't you want to embarrass me in public? You talk as though it would be easy- but is it different when people can see you?[/p][/quote]There's no need to meet ever. We've made our points, you've been caught lying and shown how ignorant you are, and neither of us is likely to change our stance. Same time next year?[/p][/quote]So you don't think you can prove the lie in public then? Ignorant- how about thinking that Sharia doesn't prohibit the sale of alcohol? Arrggh
  • Score: 0

2:21pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Arrggh says...

A post on the fb from Dave Smeetyon- MfE- For those of you who still have not learnt!!!!!! Posting videos of something that happened in Brighton today. Get it off your walls now. You are sending people to prison!!!!!!!! If any of those lads go down i walk away from the cause
Link to it on Stop the March for England fb page
A post on the fb from Dave Smeetyon- MfE- For those of you who still have not learnt!!!!!! Posting videos of something that happened in Brighton today. Get it off your walls now. You are sending people to prison!!!!!!!! If any of those lads go down i walk away from the cause Link to it on Stop the March for England fb page Arrggh
  • Score: 2

2:43pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Ashles says...

"That wasn't the reason that I attended.
You were told the reason earlier, yet comprehension isn't your forte."

Ah, the classic "I already told you so I'm not going to say it again" excuse to avoid answering a question. Jolly good.

"Prejudice, ignorance and bigotry are very much what you're about."
I think we already covered this point. Or else you really need to look up all those words.

"Time for your first bath this year?"
That's pretty pathetic.
"That wasn't the reason that I attended. You were told the reason earlier, yet comprehension isn't your forte." Ah, the classic "I already told you so I'm not going to say it again" excuse to avoid answering a question. Jolly good. "Prejudice, ignorance and bigotry are very much what you're about." I think we already covered this point. Or else you really need to look up all those words. "Time for your first bath this year?" That's pretty pathetic. Ashles
  • Score: 5

2:44pm Mon 28 Apr 14

charlie smirke says...

Peaceful protest is legal, this was not peaceful so therefore illegal and his "event" should not be allowed to take place in future. If Lucas thinks it's clever to encourage law-breaking thugs into Brighton, let her pay for all the damage they've caused out of her own pocket.
Peaceful protest is legal, this was not peaceful so therefore illegal and his "event" should not be allowed to take place in future. If Lucas thinks it's clever to encourage law-breaking thugs into Brighton, let her pay for all the damage they've caused out of her own pocket. charlie smirke
  • Score: 9

3:05pm Mon 28 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Ballroom Blitz wrote:
In this country we have the right of peaceful protest. Holding an EDL march in Brighton was always designed to provocative, and anyone suggesting otherwise is being disingenuous.
So, in my view, it should never be allowed again. It's not peaceful protest. Ban it.
The cost to the city is supposedly half a million just to police it, never mind the loss of earning to local businesses. That works out at £5000 per each EDL marcher.
This liberal madness has got to stop. They aren't wanted here by anybody. They don't live in Brighton. Let them march in their own hometowns.
But it WAS peaceful.

The aggro came from those not wishing the march to take place.

HTH
[quote][p][bold]Ballroom Blitz[/bold] wrote: In this country we have the right of peaceful protest. Holding an EDL march in Brighton was always designed to provocative, and anyone suggesting otherwise is being disingenuous. So, in my view, it should never be allowed again. It's not peaceful protest. Ban it. The cost to the city is supposedly half a million just to police it, never mind the loss of earning to local businesses. That works out at £5000 per each EDL marcher. This liberal madness has got to stop. They aren't wanted here by anybody. They don't live in Brighton. Let them march in their own hometowns.[/p][/quote]But it WAS peaceful. The aggro came from those not wishing the march to take place. HTH ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: 2

3:08pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Ashles says...

"To call Ron Paul 'a moron' is frankly pathetic. Apart from anything else he is a qualified doctor who worked for minimum wage to treat poor people. I doubt that you have done anything much for the poor. The Tea Party is simply pointing out that governments can only spend money, tax people, borrow money and more ruinously print money. They can never create wealth or jobs. Of course the liberal establishment sneer at them - they only want to carry on with the same old failed policies, which of course are based on the fallacy that governments can spend their way to prosperity."

Still waiting for your response to my question as to what you are suggesting the country do instead of what they are currently doing.
Or do you share the Tea Party's position of just being able to point out what everyone else does wrong, wihout having anything to replace it all with?

"Your assertion that Britain is not bankrupt - or anywhere near it. I suggest that you acquaint yourself with the facts before making yourself look silly in public."

Is the country bankrupt? No it isn't. Is it near it? No it isn't.
Well, that was easy.

"Government borrowing has increased hugely since the war. Despite the present government's 'austerity' government spending has hugely increased in the last four years. If lenders decide it is out of control then the 'Greek experience' would be small potatoes."

Retaining our own currncy allows us greater control to avoid anything approaching the 'Greek experience'.
Borrowing has increased for almost every country - it's not ideal but we've done better than many. Austerity, while unpopular, has helped. Again I ask what your alternative is. Much stricter austerity? That's only going to lead to more job losses in the public sector.
(And please don't delude yourself that reducing or even banning immigrants would somehow magically reduce the deficit - they are a tiny proportion of what our public money is spent on).

"Ultimately people are forced to march as they did yesterday because it is the government's bounden duty to control immigration at the point of entry."

Which they do. They are tightening this up which few people disagree with.

"Because they have dismally failed to do so the real prospect of raised racial tension is very real. If the economy unravels as many of us fear, ethnic cleansing - the history of mankind from the displacement of the Neanderthals onwards - is real prospect."

And now you enter the rabid paranoid conspiracist theory arena. You just jumped about 50 levels of societal breakdown from where we are.
Ethnic cleansing? Get a grip.

The only way we'regoing to see anything approaching ethnic cleansing based on historical precedent is when a group decide to demonise and dehumaise another minority group, blaming them for infinging on their cutlural 'entitlements' and start to form hate groups, protesting against multiculturalism and promoting division and fear.
So let's all agree to make sure that kind of nonsense doesn't happen.

"Government's duties are to administer the legal system, control immigration at the point of entry and to ensure the value of the currency."

All of which they actually do. We're still waiting for you to explain how they should do this DIFFERENTLY from how they currently do it.
This 'politics' is hard isn't it?

"Otherwise it should get the hell out of our lives"

Yeah! Right on! Government should have absolutely nothing to do with welfare or the NHS or the military or international relations or taxation or any of that boring irrelevant stuff that isn't about the one topic of immigration.
Are you a UKIP candidate by any chance.

"- and while it's at it end the ludicrous and unwinnable 'war on terror' and 'war on drugs'."
Good point. Let's abolish our intelligence agencies and legalise all drugs.

"There - clear enough for you ?"

Yes. I think we have everything we need now on understanding your view of what you would do if you were in charge of the country.
Thank you.
"To call Ron Paul 'a moron' is frankly pathetic. Apart from anything else he is a qualified doctor who worked for minimum wage to treat poor people. I doubt that you have done anything much for the poor. The Tea Party is simply pointing out that governments can only spend money, tax people, borrow money and more ruinously print money. They can never create wealth or jobs. Of course the liberal establishment sneer at them - they only want to carry on with the same old failed policies, which of course are based on the fallacy that governments can spend their way to prosperity." Still waiting for your response to my question as to what you are suggesting the country do instead of what they are currently doing. Or do you share the Tea Party's position of just being able to point out what everyone else does wrong, wihout having anything to replace it all with? "Your assertion that Britain is not bankrupt - or anywhere near it. I suggest that you acquaint yourself with the facts before making yourself look silly in public." Is the country bankrupt? No it isn't. Is it near it? No it isn't. Well, that was easy. "Government borrowing has increased hugely since the war. Despite the present government's 'austerity' government spending has hugely increased in the last four years. If lenders decide it is out of control then the 'Greek experience' would be small potatoes." Retaining our own currncy allows us greater control to avoid anything approaching the 'Greek experience'. Borrowing has increased for almost every country - it's not ideal but we've done better than many. Austerity, while unpopular, has helped. Again I ask what your alternative is. Much stricter austerity? That's only going to lead to more job losses in the public sector. (And please don't delude yourself that reducing or even banning immigrants would somehow magically reduce the deficit - they are a tiny proportion of what our public money is spent on). "Ultimately people are forced to march as they did yesterday because it is the government's bounden duty to control immigration at the point of entry." Which they do. They are tightening this up which few people disagree with. "Because they have dismally failed to do so the real prospect of raised racial tension is very real. If the economy unravels as many of us fear, ethnic cleansing - the history of mankind from the displacement of the Neanderthals onwards - is real prospect." And now you enter the rabid paranoid conspiracist theory arena. You just jumped about 50 levels of societal breakdown from where we are. Ethnic cleansing? Get a grip. The only way we'regoing to see anything approaching ethnic cleansing based on historical precedent is when a group decide to demonise and dehumaise another minority group, blaming them for infinging on their cutlural 'entitlements' and start to form hate groups, protesting against multiculturalism and promoting division and fear. So let's all agree to make sure that kind of nonsense doesn't happen. "Government's duties are to administer the legal system, control immigration at the point of entry and to ensure the value of the currency." All of which they actually do. We're still waiting for you to explain how they should do this DIFFERENTLY from how they currently do it. This 'politics' is hard isn't it? "Otherwise it should get the hell out of our lives" Yeah! Right on! Government should have absolutely nothing to do with welfare or the NHS or the military or international relations or taxation or any of that boring irrelevant stuff that isn't about the one topic of immigration. Are you a UKIP candidate by any chance. "- and while it's at it end the ludicrous and unwinnable 'war on terror' and 'war on drugs'." Good point. Let's abolish our intelligence agencies and legalise all drugs. "There - clear enough for you ?" Yes. I think we have everything we need now on understanding your view of what you would do if you were in charge of the country. Thank you. Ashles
  • Score: 1

3:10pm Mon 28 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Ashles wrote:
"That wasn't the reason that I attended.
You were told the reason earlier, yet comprehension isn't your forte."

Ah, the classic "I already told you so I'm not going to say it again" excuse to avoid answering a question. Jolly good.

"Prejudice, ignorance and bigotry are very much what you're about."
I think we already covered this point. Or else you really need to look up all those words.

"Time for your first bath this year?"
That's pretty pathetic.
Yes, your bigotry and ignorance has been covered enough.

I wasn't refusing to tell you why I attended. I simply stated that I already done so, and your comment:

"That's all it means to you. Strange reason to go on a march "

after quoting me shows that you know I've already given a reason.
[quote][p][bold]Ashles[/bold] wrote: "That wasn't the reason that I attended. You were told the reason earlier, yet comprehension isn't your forte." Ah, the classic "I already told you so I'm not going to say it again" excuse to avoid answering a question. Jolly good. "Prejudice, ignorance and bigotry are very much what you're about." I think we already covered this point. Or else you really need to look up all those words. "Time for your first bath this year?" That's pretty pathetic.[/p][/quote]Yes, your bigotry and ignorance has been covered enough. I wasn't refusing to tell you why I attended. I simply stated that I already done so, and your comment: "That's all it means to you. Strange reason to go on a march " after quoting me shows that you know I've already given a reason. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -3

3:12pm Mon 28 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Arrggh wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Arrggh wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Arrggh wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Arrggh wrote:
Zeegee ffs- the first two years the march happened there was a considerable police presence even when there was no counter demo. The actions of those on the march resulted in opposition- racist and homophobic chants and people being attacked. The helicopter was there for the march- no other reason. You have repeatedly accused me of being against free speech for no other reason than I disagree with your views.
How about a public debate- would that be free enough for you?
You claim to have facts on your side- what could you possibly lose?
Those people who were attacked in the early years, it had nothing to do with their anger at patriots turning up, by any chance?

I've debated the issues, thanks, and frankly, it isn't a question of -win-or-lose'. It's a matter of Englishmen celebrating their country in a variety of ways (including the patron saint) and the actions of those who hate this country wanting to stop them doing so.

HTH
So you don't want to discuss with an audience then? Surely you would show me up to be the liar you think I am?
I thought I did have an audience for this thread.

So the responses to my posts are being generated by computer, or something? No-one reads this thread?

Oh dear.
A larger audience then- astonished that needed clarifying. Don't you want to embarrass me in public? You talk as though it would be easy- but is it different when people can see you?
There's no need to meet ever. We've made our points, you've been caught lying and shown how ignorant you are, and neither of us is likely to change our stance.

Same time next year?
So you don't think you can prove the lie in public then?
Ignorant- how about thinking that Sharia doesn't prohibit the sale of alcohol?
I proved your lie in public.. You're welcome.
[quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: Zeegee ffs- the first two years the march happened there was a considerable police presence even when there was no counter demo. The actions of those on the march resulted in opposition- racist and homophobic chants and people being attacked. The helicopter was there for the march- no other reason. You have repeatedly accused me of being against free speech for no other reason than I disagree with your views. How about a public debate- would that be free enough for you? You claim to have facts on your side- what could you possibly lose?[/p][/quote]Those people who were attacked in the early years, it had nothing to do with their anger at patriots turning up, by any chance? I've debated the issues, thanks, and frankly, it isn't a question of -win-or-lose'. It's a matter of Englishmen celebrating their country in a variety of ways (including the patron saint) and the actions of those who hate this country wanting to stop them doing so. HTH[/p][/quote]So you don't want to discuss with an audience then? Surely you would show me up to be the liar you think I am?[/p][/quote]I thought I did have an audience for this thread. So the responses to my posts are being generated by computer, or something? No-one reads this thread? Oh dear.[/p][/quote]A larger audience then- astonished that needed clarifying. Don't you want to embarrass me in public? You talk as though it would be easy- but is it different when people can see you?[/p][/quote]There's no need to meet ever. We've made our points, you've been caught lying and shown how ignorant you are, and neither of us is likely to change our stance. Same time next year?[/p][/quote]So you don't think you can prove the lie in public then? Ignorant- how about thinking that Sharia doesn't prohibit the sale of alcohol?[/p][/quote]I proved your lie in public.. You're welcome. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: 0

3:16pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Ashles says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Ashles wrote: "That wasn't the reason that I attended. You were told the reason earlier, yet comprehension isn't your forte." Ah, the classic "I already told you so I'm not going to say it again" excuse to avoid answering a question. Jolly good. "Prejudice, ignorance and bigotry are very much what you're about." I think we already covered this point. Or else you really need to look up all those words. "Time for your first bath this year?" That's pretty pathetic.
Yes, your bigotry and ignorance has been covered enough. I wasn't refusing to tell you why I attended. I simply stated that I already done so, and your comment: "That's all it means to you. Strange reason to go on a march " after quoting me shows that you know I've already given a reason.
And now "I am rubber you are glue..."

You're a funny little thing.
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ashles[/bold] wrote: "That wasn't the reason that I attended. You were told the reason earlier, yet comprehension isn't your forte." Ah, the classic "I already told you so I'm not going to say it again" excuse to avoid answering a question. Jolly good. "Prejudice, ignorance and bigotry are very much what you're about." I think we already covered this point. Or else you really need to look up all those words. "Time for your first bath this year?" That's pretty pathetic.[/p][/quote]Yes, your bigotry and ignorance has been covered enough. I wasn't refusing to tell you why I attended. I simply stated that I already done so, and your comment: "That's all it means to you. Strange reason to go on a march " after quoting me shows that you know I've already given a reason.[/p][/quote]And now "I am rubber you are glue..." You're a funny little thing. Ashles
  • Score: 1

3:17pm Mon 28 Apr 14

linnig says...

Where there anf mfe members wearing balaclavas?????....T
hey seemed to be the ones kicking off...
Where there anf mfe members wearing balaclavas?????....T hey seemed to be the ones kicking off... linnig
  • Score: 1

3:19pm Mon 28 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Ashles wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Ashles wrote: "That wasn't the reason that I attended. You were told the reason earlier, yet comprehension isn't your forte." Ah, the classic "I already told you so I'm not going to say it again" excuse to avoid answering a question. Jolly good. "Prejudice, ignorance and bigotry are very much what you're about." I think we already covered this point. Or else you really need to look up all those words. "Time for your first bath this year?" That's pretty pathetic.
Yes, your bigotry and ignorance has been covered enough. I wasn't refusing to tell you why I attended. I simply stated that I already done so, and your comment: "That's all it means to you. Strange reason to go on a march " after quoting me shows that you know I've already given a reason.
And now "I am rubber you are glue..."

You're a funny little thing.
So you accept that the information you claimed I had refused to give was already in your possession.

God, you're easy.........
[quote][p][bold]Ashles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ashles[/bold] wrote: "That wasn't the reason that I attended. You were told the reason earlier, yet comprehension isn't your forte." Ah, the classic "I already told you so I'm not going to say it again" excuse to avoid answering a question. Jolly good. "Prejudice, ignorance and bigotry are very much what you're about." I think we already covered this point. Or else you really need to look up all those words. "Time for your first bath this year?" That's pretty pathetic.[/p][/quote]Yes, your bigotry and ignorance has been covered enough. I wasn't refusing to tell you why I attended. I simply stated that I already done so, and your comment: "That's all it means to you. Strange reason to go on a march " after quoting me shows that you know I've already given a reason.[/p][/quote]And now "I am rubber you are glue..." You're a funny little thing.[/p][/quote]So you accept that the information you claimed I had refused to give was already in your possession. God, you're easy......... ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: 1

3:26pm Mon 28 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

http://www.demotix.c
om/news/4579796/marc
h-england-brighton-2
014#media-4579780


A link showing UAF etc thuggery. Note how they left rubbish and litter everywhere for someone to clean up and pay for.


Utter scum.
http://www.demotix.c om/news/4579796/marc h-england-brighton-2 014#media-4579780 A link showing UAF etc thuggery. Note how they left rubbish and litter everywhere for someone to clean up and pay for. Utter scum. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: 2

3:32pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Arrggh says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Ballroom Blitz wrote:
In this country we have the right of peaceful protest. Holding an EDL march in Brighton was always designed to provocative, and anyone suggesting otherwise is being disingenuous.
So, in my view, it should never be allowed again. It's not peaceful protest. Ban it.
The cost to the city is supposedly half a million just to police it, never mind the loss of earning to local businesses. That works out at £5000 per each EDL marcher.
This liberal madness has got to stop. They aren't wanted here by anybody. They don't live in Brighton. Let them march in their own hometowns.
But it WAS peaceful.

The aggro came from those not wishing the march to take place.

HTH
Then why was Smeetyon worried about people being arrested as a result of footage of yesterday?
Do you think Sharia permits the sale of alcohol?
You asked at one point how many opposed the march out of the population of Brighton? Let us extend that logic- in the last ten years how many self styled patriots have marched? Adding all the totals up and ignoring the fact that many people attend multiple events- what do you think that comes to?
Out of a total of sixty million it's a tiny number- a bit like a very fractured cult.
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ballroom Blitz[/bold] wrote: In this country we have the right of peaceful protest. Holding an EDL march in Brighton was always designed to provocative, and anyone suggesting otherwise is being disingenuous. So, in my view, it should never be allowed again. It's not peaceful protest. Ban it. The cost to the city is supposedly half a million just to police it, never mind the loss of earning to local businesses. That works out at £5000 per each EDL marcher. This liberal madness has got to stop. They aren't wanted here by anybody. They don't live in Brighton. Let them march in their own hometowns.[/p][/quote]But it WAS peaceful. The aggro came from those not wishing the march to take place. HTH[/p][/quote]Then why was Smeetyon worried about people being arrested as a result of footage of yesterday? Do you think Sharia permits the sale of alcohol? You asked at one point how many opposed the march out of the population of Brighton? Let us extend that logic- in the last ten years how many self styled patriots have marched? Adding all the totals up and ignoring the fact that many people attend multiple events- what do you think that comes to? Out of a total of sixty million it's a tiny number- a bit like a very fractured cult. Arrggh
  • Score: 1

3:39pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Arrggh says...

ZeeGee, ffs- why are you afraid of a live audience? surely the people need to know that they hate their country? So many never notice- you don't want to educate the lefty scum then? Or are you not so confident of your debating skills in person? Is it scary coming to Brighton without a police escort?
You said you visit three times a week and obviously many of us would benefit from your superior wisdom.
ZeeGee, ffs- why are you afraid of a live audience? surely the people need to know that they hate their country? So many never notice- you don't want to educate the lefty scum then? Or are you not so confident of your debating skills in person? Is it scary coming to Brighton without a police escort? You said you visit three times a week and obviously many of us would benefit from your superior wisdom. Arrggh
  • Score: 0

3:39pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Ashles says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Ashles wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Ashles wrote: "That wasn't the reason that I attended. You were told the reason earlier, yet comprehension isn't your forte." Ah, the classic "I already told you so I'm not going to say it again" excuse to avoid answering a question. Jolly good. "Prejudice, ignorance and bigotry are very much what you're about." I think we already covered this point. Or else you really need to look up all those words. "Time for your first bath this year?" That's pretty pathetic.
Yes, your bigotry and ignorance has been covered enough. I wasn't refusing to tell you why I attended. I simply stated that I already done so, and your comment: "That's all it means to you. Strange reason to go on a march " after quoting me shows that you know I've already given a reason.
And now "I am rubber you are glue..." You're a funny little thing.
So you accept that the information you claimed I had refused to give was already in your possession. God, you're easy.........
No. As is of course obvious to those who can read words.

You continue to amuse with your child-like simplicity.
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ashles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ashles[/bold] wrote: "That wasn't the reason that I attended. You were told the reason earlier, yet comprehension isn't your forte." Ah, the classic "I already told you so I'm not going to say it again" excuse to avoid answering a question. Jolly good. "Prejudice, ignorance and bigotry are very much what you're about." I think we already covered this point. Or else you really need to look up all those words. "Time for your first bath this year?" That's pretty pathetic.[/p][/quote]Yes, your bigotry and ignorance has been covered enough. I wasn't refusing to tell you why I attended. I simply stated that I already done so, and your comment: "That's all it means to you. Strange reason to go on a march " after quoting me shows that you know I've already given a reason.[/p][/quote]And now "I am rubber you are glue..." You're a funny little thing.[/p][/quote]So you accept that the information you claimed I had refused to give was already in your possession. God, you're easy.........[/p][/quote]No. As is of course obvious to those who can read words. You continue to amuse with your child-like simplicity. Ashles
  • Score: 2

4:35pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Terry K says...

I have to admit, being bald, tattooed, shouting slogans and looking aggressive does look bad in average joe's eyes, young impressionable people should see a demonstration of Englishness, for example, parodies of tea drinking, brollies, bowler hat's etc, city gent look, floats with red phone and post boxes, good manners, the Beatles, you get the idea? Have to win over hearts and minds of the young, the football style thuggery look defeats the object and gives ammunition to lefties.
I have to admit, being bald, tattooed, shouting slogans and looking aggressive does look bad in average joe's eyes, young impressionable people should see a demonstration of Englishness, for example, parodies of tea drinking, brollies, bowler hat's etc, city gent look, floats with red phone and post boxes, good manners, the Beatles, you get the idea? Have to win over hearts and minds of the young, the football style thuggery look defeats the object and gives ammunition to lefties. Terry K
  • Score: 2

5:22pm Mon 28 Apr 14

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3:08pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Ashles says...

"To call Ron Paul 'a moron' is frankly pathetic. Apart from anything else he is a qualified doctor who worked for minimum wage to treat poor people. I doubt that you have done anything much for the poor. The Tea Party is simply pointing out that governments can only spend money, tax people, borrow money and more ruinously print money. They can never create wealth or jobs. Of course the liberal establishment sneer at them - they only want to carry on with the same old failed policies, which of course are based on the fallacy that governments can spend their way to prosperity."

Still waiting for your response to my question as to what you are suggesting the country do instead of what they are currently doing.
Or do you share the Tea Party's position of just being able to point out what everyone else does wrong, wihout having anything to replace it all with?

"Your assertion that Britain is not bankrupt - or anywhere near it. I suggest that you acquaint yourself with the facts before making yourself look silly in public."

Is the country bankrupt? No it isn't. Is it near it? No it isn't.
Well, that was easy.

"Government borrowing has increased hugely since the war. Despite the present government's 'austerity' government spending has hugely increased in the last four years. If lenders decide it is out of control then the 'Greek experience' would be small potatoes."

Retaining our own currncy allows us greater control to avoid anything approaching the 'Greek experience'.
Borrowing has increased for almost every country - it's not ideal but we've done better than many. Austerity, while unpopular, has helped. Again I ask what your alternative is. Much stricter austerity? That's only going to lead to more job losses in the public sector.
(And please don't delude yourself that reducing or even banning immigrants would somehow magically reduce the deficit - they are a tiny proportion of what our public money is spent on).

"Ultimately people are forced to march as they did yesterday because it is the government's bounden duty to control immigration at the point of entry."

Which they do. They are tightening this up which few people disagree with.

"Because they have dismally failed to do so the real prospect of raised racial tension is very real. If the economy unravels as many of us fear, ethnic cleansing - the history of mankind from the displacement of the Neanderthals onwards - is real prospect."

And now you enter the rabid paranoid conspiracist theory arena. You just jumped about 50 levels of societal breakdown from where we are.
Ethnic cleansing? Get a grip.

The only way we'regoing to see anything approaching ethnic cleansing based on historical precedent is when a group decide to demonise and dehumaise another minority group, blaming them for infinging on their cutlural 'entitlements' and start to form hate groups, protesting against multiculturalism and promoting division and fear.
So let's all agree to make sure that kind of nonsense doesn't happen.

"Government's duties are to administer the legal system, control immigration at the point of entry and to ensure the value of the currency."

All of which they actually do. We're still waiting for you to explain how they should do this DIFFERENTLY from how they currently do it.
This 'politics' is hard isn't it?

"Otherwise it should get the hell out of our lives"

Yeah! Right on! Government should have absolutely nothing to do with welfare or the NHS or the military or international relations or taxation or any of that boring irrelevant stuff that isn't about the one topic of immigration.
Are you a UKIP candidate by any chance.

"- and while it's at it end the ludicrous and unwinnable 'war on terror' and 'war on drugs'."
Good point. Let's abolish our intelligence agencies and legalise all drugs.

"There - clear enough for you ?"

Yes. I think we have everything we need now on understanding your view of what you would do if you were in charge of the country.
Thank you.

What do I think the 'country' should do. OK here's a kick off. Scrap all overseas aid immediately - it's poor people in Britain giving money to rich people in fly blown socialist third world economies. Pull out of Afghanistan now. It is not only costing us billions but ensuring that future acts of terror will be committed in Britain.
Child benefit should also be abolished - if you have children you should not expect me or anyone else to pay for them. In view of our obese, aging, smoking, drinking, drugging population the NHS - already £30 billion pounds short - needs to be phased out - quickly. People have to understand that you can't have services you haven't paid for. The Labour Party, under 'Rogernomics' did this in the 80s so there is a precedent.
You opine - without a shred of evidence that 'austerity' has worked. This is the sort of dross that Osborne gets away with at tory conferences - it is as fallacious as the idea that governments can spend their way out of a recession. Certainly hasn't worked in USA - where unemployment remains stubbornly high - despite the government borrowing trillions of dollars.
The government cannot determine the level of prosperity of the people - that is determined by the endeavour and enterprise of the people themselves. All government can do is set the people free.
.Quote » Report this post » ... 3:08pm Mon 28 Apr 14 Ashles says... "To call Ron Paul 'a moron' is frankly pathetic. Apart from anything else he is a qualified doctor who worked for minimum wage to treat poor people. I doubt that you have done anything much for the poor. The Tea Party is simply pointing out that governments can only spend money, tax people, borrow money and more ruinously print money. They can never create wealth or jobs. Of course the liberal establishment sneer at them - they only want to carry on with the same old failed policies, which of course are based on the fallacy that governments can spend their way to prosperity." Still waiting for your response to my question as to what you are suggesting the country do instead of what they are currently doing. Or do you share the Tea Party's position of just being able to point out what everyone else does wrong, wihout having anything to replace it all with? "Your assertion that Britain is not bankrupt - or anywhere near it. I suggest that you acquaint yourself with the facts before making yourself look silly in public." Is the country bankrupt? No it isn't. Is it near it? No it isn't. Well, that was easy. "Government borrowing has increased hugely since the war. Despite the present government's 'austerity' government spending has hugely increased in the last four years. If lenders decide it is out of control then the 'Greek experience' would be small potatoes." Retaining our own currncy allows us greater control to avoid anything approaching the 'Greek experience'. Borrowing has increased for almost every country - it's not ideal but we've done better than many. Austerity, while unpopular, has helped. Again I ask what your alternative is. Much stricter austerity? That's only going to lead to more job losses in the public sector. (And please don't delude yourself that reducing or even banning immigrants would somehow magically reduce the deficit - they are a tiny proportion of what our public money is spent on). "Ultimately people are forced to march as they did yesterday because it is the government's bounden duty to control immigration at the point of entry." Which they do. They are tightening this up which few people disagree with. "Because they have dismally failed to do so the real prospect of raised racial tension is very real. If the economy unravels as many of us fear, ethnic cleansing - the history of mankind from the displacement of the Neanderthals onwards - is real prospect." And now you enter the rabid paranoid conspiracist theory arena. You just jumped about 50 levels of societal breakdown from where we are. Ethnic cleansing? Get a grip. The only way we'regoing to see anything approaching ethnic cleansing based on historical precedent is when a group decide to demonise and dehumaise another minority group, blaming them for infinging on their cutlural 'entitlements' and start to form hate groups, protesting against multiculturalism and promoting division and fear. So let's all agree to make sure that kind of nonsense doesn't happen. "Government's duties are to administer the legal system, control immigration at the point of entry and to ensure the value of the currency." All of which they actually do. We're still waiting for you to explain how they should do this DIFFERENTLY from how they currently do it. This 'politics' is hard isn't it? "Otherwise it should get the hell out of our lives" Yeah! Right on! Government should have absolutely nothing to do with welfare or the NHS or the military or international relations or taxation or any of that boring irrelevant stuff that isn't about the one topic of immigration. Are you a UKIP candidate by any chance. "- and while it's at it end the ludicrous and unwinnable 'war on terror' and 'war on drugs'." Good point. Let's abolish our intelligence agencies and legalise all drugs. "There - clear enough for you ?" Yes. I think we have everything we need now on understanding your view of what you would do if you were in charge of the country. Thank you. What do I think the 'country' should do. OK here's a kick off. Scrap all overseas aid immediately - it's poor people in Britain giving money to rich people in fly blown socialist third world economies. Pull out of Afghanistan now. It is not only costing us billions but ensuring that future acts of terror will be committed in Britain. Child benefit should also be abolished - if you have children you should not expect me or anyone else to pay for them. In view of our obese, aging, smoking, drinking, drugging population the NHS - already £30 billion pounds short - needs to be phased out - quickly. People have to understand that you can't have services you haven't paid for. The Labour Party, under 'Rogernomics' did this in the 80s so there is a precedent. You opine - without a shred of evidence that 'austerity' has worked. This is the sort of dross that Osborne gets away with at tory conferences - it is as fallacious as the idea that governments can spend their way out of a recession. Certainly hasn't worked in USA - where unemployment remains stubbornly high - despite the government borrowing trillions of dollars. The government cannot determine the level of prosperity of the people - that is determined by the endeavour and enterprise of the people themselves. All government can do is set the people free. B rian Tawses left foot
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5:33pm Mon 28 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Terry K wrote:
I have to admit, being bald, tattooed, shouting slogans and looking aggressive does look bad in average joe's eyes, young impressionable people should see a demonstration of Englishness, for example, parodies of tea drinking, brollies, bowler hat's etc, city gent look, floats with red phone and post boxes, good manners, the Beatles, you get the idea? Have to win over hearts and minds of the young, the football style thuggery look defeats the object and gives ammunition to lefties.
Don't many teens nowadays sport tattoos? The UAF certainly tried to 'look hard, and they also chanted slogans of hate. Most of them looked like they needed a wash and a meal, and they certainly ran away when faced with real men.
[quote][p][bold]Terry K[/bold] wrote: I have to admit, being bald, tattooed, shouting slogans and looking aggressive does look bad in average joe's eyes, young impressionable people should see a demonstration of Englishness, for example, parodies of tea drinking, brollies, bowler hat's etc, city gent look, floats with red phone and post boxes, good manners, the Beatles, you get the idea? Have to win over hearts and minds of the young, the football style thuggery look defeats the object and gives ammunition to lefties.[/p][/quote]Don't many teens nowadays sport tattoos? The UAF certainly tried to 'look hard, and they also chanted slogans of hate. Most of them looked like they needed a wash and a meal, and they certainly ran away when faced with real men. ZeeGee, ffs
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5:34pm Mon 28 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Ashles wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Ashles wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Ashles wrote: "That wasn't the reason that I attended. You were told the reason earlier, yet comprehension isn't your forte." Ah, the classic "I already told you so I'm not going to say it again" excuse to avoid answering a question. Jolly good. "Prejudice, ignorance and bigotry are very much what you're about." I think we already covered this point. Or else you really need to look up all those words. "Time for your first bath this year?" That's pretty pathetic.
Yes, your bigotry and ignorance has been covered enough. I wasn't refusing to tell you why I attended. I simply stated that I already done so, and your comment: "That's all it means to you. Strange reason to go on a march " after quoting me shows that you know I've already given a reason.
And now "I am rubber you are glue..." You're a funny little thing.
So you accept that the information you claimed I had refused to give was already in your possession. God, you're easy.........
No. As is of course obvious to those who can read words.

You continue to amuse with your child-like simplicity.
And yet you were unable to read the words of your own post.
[quote][p][bold]Ashles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ashles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ashles[/bold] wrote: "That wasn't the reason that I attended. You were told the reason earlier, yet comprehension isn't your forte." Ah, the classic "I already told you so I'm not going to say it again" excuse to avoid answering a question. Jolly good. "Prejudice, ignorance and bigotry are very much what you're about." I think we already covered this point. Or else you really need to look up all those words. "Time for your first bath this year?" That's pretty pathetic.[/p][/quote]Yes, your bigotry and ignorance has been covered enough. I wasn't refusing to tell you why I attended. I simply stated that I already done so, and your comment: "That's all it means to you. Strange reason to go on a march " after quoting me shows that you know I've already given a reason.[/p][/quote]And now "I am rubber you are glue..." You're a funny little thing.[/p][/quote]So you accept that the information you claimed I had refused to give was already in your possession. God, you're easy.........[/p][/quote]No. As is of course obvious to those who can read words. You continue to amuse with your child-like simplicity.[/p][/quote]And yet you were unable to read the words of your own post. ZeeGee, ffs
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5:37pm Mon 28 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Arrggh wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs- why are you afraid of a live audience? surely the people need to know that they hate their country? So many never notice- you don't want to educate the lefty scum then? Or are you not so confident of your debating skills in person? Is it scary coming to Brighton without a police escort?
You said you visit three times a week and obviously many of us would benefit from your superior wisdom.
Anyone who hates their country will know that they do, and I cannot believe that you're unaware of that fact.

I've debated this topic for a few days now, so I'm hardly scared to do so.

I come down to Brighton several times a month for various events and reasons, and I've never needed a police escort, including my visit on the 27th. One was forced upon me by ....er.....the police without asking if I required one.
[quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: ZeeGee, ffs- why are you afraid of a live audience? surely the people need to know that they hate their country? So many never notice- you don't want to educate the lefty scum then? Or are you not so confident of your debating skills in person? Is it scary coming to Brighton without a police escort? You said you visit three times a week and obviously many of us would benefit from your superior wisdom.[/p][/quote]Anyone who hates their country will know that they do, and I cannot believe that you're unaware of that fact. I've debated this topic for a few days now, so I'm hardly scared to do so. I come down to Brighton several times a month for various events and reasons, and I've never needed a police escort, including my visit on the 27th. One was forced upon me by ....er.....the police without asking if I required one. ZeeGee, ffs
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5:40pm Mon 28 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Arrggh wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Ballroom Blitz wrote:
In this country we have the right of peaceful protest. Holding an EDL march in Brighton was always designed to provocative, and anyone suggesting otherwise is being disingenuous.
So, in my view, it should never be allowed again. It's not peaceful protest. Ban it.
The cost to the city is supposedly half a million just to police it, never mind the loss of earning to local businesses. That works out at £5000 per each EDL marcher.
This liberal madness has got to stop. They aren't wanted here by anybody. They don't live in Brighton. Let them march in their own hometowns.
But it WAS peaceful.

The aggro came from those not wishing the march to take place.

HTH
Then why was Smeetyon worried about people being arrested as a result of footage of yesterday?
Do you think Sharia permits the sale of alcohol?
You asked at one point how many opposed the march out of the population of Brighton? Let us extend that logic- in the last ten years how many self styled patriots have marched? Adding all the totals up and ignoring the fact that many people attend multiple events- what do you think that comes to?
Out of a total of sixty million it's a tiny number- a bit like a very fractured cult.
It all comes down to small numbers on both sides, but only one side objects to the presence of the other, hence the violence they bring.

As for sharia you'd be advised to contact an authority on it if you're unsure as to what is and isn't forbidden. Don't be surprised to discover that wife-beating is perfectly acceptable.
[quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ballroom Blitz[/bold] wrote: In this country we have the right of peaceful protest. Holding an EDL march in Brighton was always designed to provocative, and anyone suggesting otherwise is being disingenuous. So, in my view, it should never be allowed again. It's not peaceful protest. Ban it. The cost to the city is supposedly half a million just to police it, never mind the loss of earning to local businesses. That works out at £5000 per each EDL marcher. This liberal madness has got to stop. They aren't wanted here by anybody. They don't live in Brighton. Let them march in their own hometowns.[/p][/quote]But it WAS peaceful. The aggro came from those not wishing the march to take place. HTH[/p][/quote]Then why was Smeetyon worried about people being arrested as a result of footage of yesterday? Do you think Sharia permits the sale of alcohol? You asked at one point how many opposed the march out of the population of Brighton? Let us extend that logic- in the last ten years how many self styled patriots have marched? Adding all the totals up and ignoring the fact that many people attend multiple events- what do you think that comes to? Out of a total of sixty million it's a tiny number- a bit like a very fractured cult.[/p][/quote]It all comes down to small numbers on both sides, but only one side objects to the presence of the other, hence the violence they bring. As for sharia you'd be advised to contact an authority on it if you're unsure as to what is and isn't forbidden. Don't be surprised to discover that wife-beating is perfectly acceptable. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: 1

5:58pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Arrggh says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Arrggh wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Ballroom Blitz wrote:
In this country we have the right of peaceful protest. Holding an EDL march in Brighton was always designed to provocative, and anyone suggesting otherwise is being disingenuous.
So, in my view, it should never be allowed again. It's not peaceful protest. Ban it.
The cost to the city is supposedly half a million just to police it, never mind the loss of earning to local businesses. That works out at £5000 per each EDL marcher.
This liberal madness has got to stop. They aren't wanted here by anybody. They don't live in Brighton. Let them march in their own hometowns.
But it WAS peaceful.

The aggro came from those not wishing the march to take place.

HTH
Then why was Smeetyon worried about people being arrested as a result of footage of yesterday?
Do you think Sharia permits the sale of alcohol?
You asked at one point how many opposed the march out of the population of Brighton? Let us extend that logic- in the last ten years how many self styled patriots have marched? Adding all the totals up and ignoring the fact that many people attend multiple events- what do you think that comes to?
Out of a total of sixty million it's a tiny number- a bit like a very fractured cult.
It all comes down to small numbers on both sides, but only one side objects to the presence of the other, hence the violence they bring.

As for sharia you'd be advised to contact an authority on it if you're unsure as to what is and isn't forbidden. Don't be surprised to discover that wife-beating is perfectly acceptable.
You don't object to the anti-demo?
You made yourself out to be an expert on Sharia- do you still maintain that it allows the sale of booze or not? Because if it doesn't then many Muslims aren't as convinced as you are that they have to live by it.
You admit you have small numbers on your side then?
Why don't you want to debate then?
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ballroom Blitz[/bold] wrote: In this country we have the right of peaceful protest. Holding an EDL march in Brighton was always designed to provocative, and anyone suggesting otherwise is being disingenuous. So, in my view, it should never be allowed again. It's not peaceful protest. Ban it. The cost to the city is supposedly half a million just to police it, never mind the loss of earning to local businesses. That works out at £5000 per each EDL marcher. This liberal madness has got to stop. They aren't wanted here by anybody. They don't live in Brighton. Let them march in their own hometowns.[/p][/quote]But it WAS peaceful. The aggro came from those not wishing the march to take place. HTH[/p][/quote]Then why was Smeetyon worried about people being arrested as a result of footage of yesterday? Do you think Sharia permits the sale of alcohol? You asked at one point how many opposed the march out of the population of Brighton? Let us extend that logic- in the last ten years how many self styled patriots have marched? Adding all the totals up and ignoring the fact that many people attend multiple events- what do you think that comes to? Out of a total of sixty million it's a tiny number- a bit like a very fractured cult.[/p][/quote]It all comes down to small numbers on both sides, but only one side objects to the presence of the other, hence the violence they bring. As for sharia you'd be advised to contact an authority on it if you're unsure as to what is and isn't forbidden. Don't be surprised to discover that wife-beating is perfectly acceptable.[/p][/quote]You don't object to the anti-demo? You made yourself out to be an expert on Sharia- do you still maintain that it allows the sale of booze or not? Because if it doesn't then many Muslims aren't as convinced as you are that they have to live by it. You admit you have small numbers on your side then? Why don't you want to debate then? Arrggh
  • Score: 1

6:11pm Mon 28 Apr 14

clubrob6 says...

hey mongo wrote:
Question for UAF supporters and members....this a genuine question which i dont know the answer to...you must admit that there is a small number of muslim/islam preachers of hate who openly do demonstrations who stand for things which is totally against any normal persons beliefs sharia law death to the uk etc...so in the interests of fairness you should also turn up at these demonstrations and do tour thing as well? You cant say its unacceptable for meatheads to march around with england flags yet do nothing about preachers of hate who have fascist ideas for themselves?? Maybe this happens i would like to know...
True the UAF had one of Lee Rigby's murderers Michael Adebolojo as a speaker,i did not believe that at first but there is a video of him on youtube speaking at a UAF demonstration at Harrow central mosque in 2009.
[quote][p][bold]hey mongo[/bold] wrote: Question for UAF supporters and members....this a genuine question which i dont know the answer to...you must admit that there is a small number of muslim/islam preachers of hate who openly do demonstrations who stand for things which is totally against any normal persons beliefs sharia law death to the uk etc...so in the interests of fairness you should also turn up at these demonstrations and do tour thing as well? You cant say its unacceptable for meatheads to march around with england flags yet do nothing about preachers of hate who have fascist ideas for themselves?? Maybe this happens i would like to know...[/p][/quote]True the UAF had one of Lee Rigby's murderers Michael Adebolojo as a speaker,i did not believe that at first but there is a video of him on youtube speaking at a UAF demonstration at Harrow central mosque in 2009. clubrob6
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6:12pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Arrggh says...

Zeegee ffs- I've never met anyone who knows they hate their country- is it a bit like being an alcoholic in denial?
Zeegee ffs- I've never met anyone who knows they hate their country- is it a bit like being an alcoholic in denial? Arrggh
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6:13pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Arrggh says...

clubrob6 wrote:
hey mongo wrote:
Question for UAF supporters and members....this a genuine question which i dont know the answer to...you must admit that there is a small number of muslim/islam preachers of hate who openly do demonstrations who stand for things which is totally against any normal persons beliefs sharia law death to the uk etc...so in the interests of fairness you should also turn up at these demonstrations and do tour thing as well? You cant say its unacceptable for meatheads to march around with england flags yet do nothing about preachers of hate who have fascist ideas for themselves?? Maybe this happens i would like to know...
True the UAF had one of Lee Rigby's murderers Michael Adebolojo as a speaker,i did not believe that at first but there is a video of him on youtube speaking at a UAF demonstration at Harrow central mosque in 2009.
Were they supposed to know what he was later going to do?
[quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hey mongo[/bold] wrote: Question for UAF supporters and members....this a genuine question which i dont know the answer to...you must admit that there is a small number of muslim/islam preachers of hate who openly do demonstrations who stand for things which is totally against any normal persons beliefs sharia law death to the uk etc...so in the interests of fairness you should also turn up at these demonstrations and do tour thing as well? You cant say its unacceptable for meatheads to march around with england flags yet do nothing about preachers of hate who have fascist ideas for themselves?? Maybe this happens i would like to know...[/p][/quote]True the UAF had one of Lee Rigby's murderers Michael Adebolojo as a speaker,i did not believe that at first but there is a video of him on youtube speaking at a UAF demonstration at Harrow central mosque in 2009.[/p][/quote]Were they supposed to know what he was later going to do? Arrggh
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6:14pm Mon 28 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Arrggh wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Arrggh wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Ballroom Blitz wrote:
In this country we have the right of peaceful protest. Holding an EDL march in Brighton was always designed to provocative, and anyone suggesting otherwise is being disingenuous.
So, in my view, it should never be allowed again. It's not peaceful protest. Ban it.
The cost to the city is supposedly half a million just to police it, never mind the loss of earning to local businesses. That works out at £5000 per each EDL marcher.
This liberal madness has got to stop. They aren't wanted here by anybody. They don't live in Brighton. Let them march in their own hometowns.
But it WAS peaceful.

The aggro came from those not wishing the march to take place.

HTH
Then why was Smeetyon worried about people being arrested as a result of footage of yesterday?
Do you think Sharia permits the sale of alcohol?
You asked at one point how many opposed the march out of the population of Brighton? Let us extend that logic- in the last ten years how many self styled patriots have marched? Adding all the totals up and ignoring the fact that many people attend multiple events- what do you think that comes to?
Out of a total of sixty million it's a tiny number- a bit like a very fractured cult.
It all comes down to small numbers on both sides, but only one side objects to the presence of the other, hence the violence they bring.

As for sharia you'd be advised to contact an authority on it if you're unsure as to what is and isn't forbidden. Don't be surprised to discover that wife-beating is perfectly acceptable.
You don't object to the anti-demo?
You made yourself out to be an expert on Sharia- do you still maintain that it allows the sale of booze or not? Because if it doesn't then many Muslims aren't as convinced as you are that they have to live by it.
You admit you have small numbers on your side then?
Why don't you want to debate then?
I made no claim to being an expert on sharia. I just pointed out a few facts about it. I know that the consumption of alcohol is punishable but under certain circumstances it is allowed.

I'm so glad that you've realised (after being told by me) that sharia governs the lives of muslims.

I didn't object to the anti-demo. I objected to the violence and other problems that it caused. Big difference.
[quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ballroom Blitz[/bold] wrote: In this country we have the right of peaceful protest. Holding an EDL march in Brighton was always designed to provocative, and anyone suggesting otherwise is being disingenuous. So, in my view, it should never be allowed again. It's not peaceful protest. Ban it. The cost to the city is supposedly half a million just to police it, never mind the loss of earning to local businesses. That works out at £5000 per each EDL marcher. This liberal madness has got to stop. They aren't wanted here by anybody. They don't live in Brighton. Let them march in their own hometowns.[/p][/quote]But it WAS peaceful. The aggro came from those not wishing the march to take place. HTH[/p][/quote]Then why was Smeetyon worried about people being arrested as a result of footage of yesterday? Do you think Sharia permits the sale of alcohol? You asked at one point how many opposed the march out of the population of Brighton? Let us extend that logic- in the last ten years how many self styled patriots have marched? Adding all the totals up and ignoring the fact that many people attend multiple events- what do you think that comes to? Out of a total of sixty million it's a tiny number- a bit like a very fractured cult.[/p][/quote]It all comes down to small numbers on both sides, but only one side objects to the presence of the other, hence the violence they bring. As for sharia you'd be advised to contact an authority on it if you're unsure as to what is and isn't forbidden. Don't be surprised to discover that wife-beating is perfectly acceptable.[/p][/quote]You don't object to the anti-demo? You made yourself out to be an expert on Sharia- do you still maintain that it allows the sale of booze or not? Because if it doesn't then many Muslims aren't as convinced as you are that they have to live by it. You admit you have small numbers on your side then? Why don't you want to debate then?[/p][/quote]I made no claim to being an expert on sharia. I just pointed out a few facts about it. I know that the consumption of alcohol is punishable but under certain circumstances it is allowed. I'm so glad that you've realised (after being told by me) that sharia governs the lives of muslims. I didn't object to the anti-demo. I objected to the violence and other problems that it caused. Big difference. ZeeGee, ffs
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6:16pm Mon 28 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Arrggh wrote:
clubrob6 wrote:
hey mongo wrote:
Question for UAF supporters and members....this a genuine question which i dont know the answer to...you must admit that there is a small number of muslim/islam preachers of hate who openly do demonstrations who stand for things which is totally against any normal persons beliefs sharia law death to the uk etc...so in the interests of fairness you should also turn up at these demonstrations and do tour thing as well? You cant say its unacceptable for meatheads to march around with england flags yet do nothing about preachers of hate who have fascist ideas for themselves?? Maybe this happens i would like to know...
True the UAF had one of Lee Rigby's murderers Michael Adebolojo as a speaker,i did not believe that at first but there is a video of him on youtube speaking at a UAF demonstration at Harrow central mosque in 2009.
Were they supposed to know what he was later going to do?
This is the sort of person that the UAF loves. It's already been pointed out that it clashes with his hatred of homsexuality to be fawned over by the UAF.
[quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hey mongo[/bold] wrote: Question for UAF supporters and members....this a genuine question which i dont know the answer to...you must admit that there is a small number of muslim/islam preachers of hate who openly do demonstrations who stand for things which is totally against any normal persons beliefs sharia law death to the uk etc...so in the interests of fairness you should also turn up at these demonstrations and do tour thing as well? You cant say its unacceptable for meatheads to march around with england flags yet do nothing about preachers of hate who have fascist ideas for themselves?? Maybe this happens i would like to know...[/p][/quote]True the UAF had one of Lee Rigby's murderers Michael Adebolojo as a speaker,i did not believe that at first but there is a video of him on youtube speaking at a UAF demonstration at Harrow central mosque in 2009.[/p][/quote]Were they supposed to know what he was later going to do?[/p][/quote]This is the sort of person that the UAF loves. It's already been pointed out that it clashes with his hatred of homsexuality to be fawned over by the UAF. ZeeGee, ffs
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6:17pm Mon 28 Apr 14

clubrob6 says...

Andy R wrote:
clubrob6 wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
Andy R wrote:
DC Brighton wrote:
Couldn't they all have been directed over that dodgy bit of road on the seafront?
And by "all" I mean both the soap dodgers and the skinheads.
Why should it be forced upon the same city every year? Freedom of speech is one thing, but I can't imagine too many Brighton residents are pleased to have this foisted upon them - except media-desperate Caroline Lucas (if she lives in Brighton at all).

Oh yeah, and the same goes for sponsored bike rides. The London to Brighton is fine since it has tradition on its side. All the others should go via Worthing, Eastbourne, Littlehampton etc.
I was on the counter demo and I am not a "soap dodger". In fact I took a shower as soon as I got home. A very necessary action after a spending any time at all up close and personal with the "March for England".
Then people like you and Lucas are as vile and repugnant as the MfE marchers. STOP the violence !!!!!!!!!!!
Most anti fascist people who represent themselves are peaceful it the UAF that is government funded that has now attracted the extremist element.Even one of Lee Rigby's murderers was a speaker at UAF events.Failed groups like EDL were formed because our troops were abused on coming home marches unfortunately the very people that used to abuse our troops I think are now hiding behind the UAF name.Perhaps its time to stop this MFE due to the extremist element from both side but the violence from the UAF should not go un-noticed.
You really do just make stuff up as you go along don't you? The formation of EDL was nothing to do with "troops being abused on coming home marches". This has happened about twice (down to a handful of people on each occasion) and the pre-existing EDL simply latched onto it, just as they latch onto the murder of Lee Rigby (completely indifferent to the protests of his family of course). It's a variation on the old myth of US soldiers being abused when returning from Vietnam.

And again you repeat this claim about UAF being "Government-funded" but make no attempt to justify this absurd claim despite someone else asking you to up-thread. It might be interesting to see what contortions of fact and logic you come up with to try and evidence it.
Look on the UAF website,plus look on government epetitions where there was a petition for funding to withdrawn from the UAF.Its ran out now but can still be viewed,it would not be on the epetition website if the government did not fund this group.
[quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DC Brighton[/bold] wrote: Couldn't they all have been directed over that dodgy bit of road on the seafront? And by "all" I mean both the soap dodgers and the skinheads. Why should it be forced upon the same city every year? Freedom of speech is one thing, but I can't imagine too many Brighton residents are pleased to have this foisted upon them - except media-desperate Caroline Lucas (if she lives in Brighton at all). Oh yeah, and the same goes for sponsored bike rides. The London to Brighton is fine since it has tradition on its side. All the others should go via Worthing, Eastbourne, Littlehampton etc.[/p][/quote]I was on the counter demo and I am not a "soap dodger". In fact I took a shower as soon as I got home. A very necessary action after a spending any time at all up close and personal with the "March for England".[/p][/quote]Then people like you and Lucas are as vile and repugnant as the MfE marchers. STOP the violence !!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Most anti fascist people who represent themselves are peaceful it the UAF that is government funded that has now attracted the extremist element.Even one of Lee Rigby's murderers was a speaker at UAF events.Failed groups like EDL were formed because our troops were abused on coming home marches unfortunately the very people that used to abuse our troops I think are now hiding behind the UAF name.Perhaps its time to stop this MFE due to the extremist element from both side but the violence from the UAF should not go un-noticed.[/p][/quote]You really do just make stuff up as you go along don't you? The formation of EDL was nothing to do with "troops being abused on coming home marches". This has happened about twice (down to a handful of people on each occasion) and the pre-existing EDL simply latched onto it, just as they latch onto the murder of Lee Rigby (completely indifferent to the protests of his family of course). It's a variation on the old myth of US soldiers being abused when returning from Vietnam. And again you repeat this claim about UAF being "Government-funded" but make no attempt to justify this absurd claim despite someone else asking you to up-thread. It might be interesting to see what contortions of fact and logic you come up with to try and evidence it.[/p][/quote]Look on the UAF website,plus look on government epetitions where there was a petition for funding to withdrawn from the UAF.Its ran out now but can still be viewed,it would not be on the epetition website if the government did not fund this group. clubrob6
  • Score: 0

6:18pm Mon 28 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Arrggh wrote:
Zeegee ffs- I've never met anyone who knows they hate their country- is it a bit like being an alcoholic in denial?
Denying something to others isn't the same as denying it to oneself.

" I've never met anyone who knows they hate their country"

And that somehow means such people don't exist? Blimey, you really do have an inflated opinion of yourself. Get this - some people live their lives without having to tell you about everything.
[quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: Zeegee ffs- I've never met anyone who knows they hate their country- is it a bit like being an alcoholic in denial?[/p][/quote]Denying something to others isn't the same as denying it to oneself. " I've never met anyone who knows they hate their country" And that somehow means such people don't exist? Blimey, you really do have an inflated opinion of yourself. Get this - some people live their lives without having to tell you about everything. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: 0

6:19pm Mon 28 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

clubrob6 wrote:
Andy R wrote:
clubrob6 wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
Andy R wrote:
DC Brighton wrote:
Couldn't they all have been directed over that dodgy bit of road on the seafront?
And by "all" I mean both the soap dodgers and the skinheads.
Why should it be forced upon the same city every year? Freedom of speech is one thing, but I can't imagine too many Brighton residents are pleased to have this foisted upon them - except media-desperate Caroline Lucas (if she lives in Brighton at all).

Oh yeah, and the same goes for sponsored bike rides. The London to Brighton is fine since it has tradition on its side. All the others should go via Worthing, Eastbourne, Littlehampton etc.
I was on the counter demo and I am not a "soap dodger". In fact I took a shower as soon as I got home. A very necessary action after a spending any time at all up close and personal with the "March for England".
Then people like you and Lucas are as vile and repugnant as the MfE marchers. STOP the violence !!!!!!!!!!!
Most anti fascist people who represent themselves are peaceful it the UAF that is government funded that has now attracted the extremist element.Even one of Lee Rigby's murderers was a speaker at UAF events.Failed groups like EDL were formed because our troops were abused on coming home marches unfortunately the very people that used to abuse our troops I think are now hiding behind the UAF name.Perhaps its time to stop this MFE due to the extremist element from both side but the violence from the UAF should not go un-noticed.
You really do just make stuff up as you go along don't you? The formation of EDL was nothing to do with "troops being abused on coming home marches". This has happened about twice (down to a handful of people on each occasion) and the pre-existing EDL simply latched onto it, just as they latch onto the murder of Lee Rigby (completely indifferent to the protests of his family of course). It's a variation on the old myth of US soldiers being abused when returning from Vietnam.

And again you repeat this claim about UAF being "Government-funded" but make no attempt to justify this absurd claim despite someone else asking you to up-thread. It might be interesting to see what contortions of fact and logic you come up with to try and evidence it.
Look on the UAF website,plus look on government epetitions where there was a petition for funding to withdrawn from the UAF.Its ran out now but can still be viewed,it would not be on the epetition website if the government did not fund this group.
http://epetitions.di
rect.gov.uk/petition
s/51125
[quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DC Brighton[/bold] wrote: Couldn't they all have been directed over that dodgy bit of road on the seafront? And by "all" I mean both the soap dodgers and the skinheads. Why should it be forced upon the same city every year? Freedom of speech is one thing, but I can't imagine too many Brighton residents are pleased to have this foisted upon them - except media-desperate Caroline Lucas (if she lives in Brighton at all). Oh yeah, and the same goes for sponsored bike rides. The London to Brighton is fine since it has tradition on its side. All the others should go via Worthing, Eastbourne, Littlehampton etc.[/p][/quote]I was on the counter demo and I am not a "soap dodger". In fact I took a shower as soon as I got home. A very necessary action after a spending any time at all up close and personal with the "March for England".[/p][/quote]Then people like you and Lucas are as vile and repugnant as the MfE marchers. STOP the violence !!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Most anti fascist people who represent themselves are peaceful it the UAF that is government funded that has now attracted the extremist element.Even one of Lee Rigby's murderers was a speaker at UAF events.Failed groups like EDL were formed because our troops were abused on coming home marches unfortunately the very people that used to abuse our troops I think are now hiding behind the UAF name.Perhaps its time to stop this MFE due to the extremist element from both side but the violence from the UAF should not go un-noticed.[/p][/quote]You really do just make stuff up as you go along don't you? The formation of EDL was nothing to do with "troops being abused on coming home marches". This has happened about twice (down to a handful of people on each occasion) and the pre-existing EDL simply latched onto it, just as they latch onto the murder of Lee Rigby (completely indifferent to the protests of his family of course). It's a variation on the old myth of US soldiers being abused when returning from Vietnam. And again you repeat this claim about UAF being "Government-funded" but make no attempt to justify this absurd claim despite someone else asking you to up-thread. It might be interesting to see what contortions of fact and logic you come up with to try and evidence it.[/p][/quote]Look on the UAF website,plus look on government epetitions where there was a petition for funding to withdrawn from the UAF.Its ran out now but can still be viewed,it would not be on the epetition website if the government did not fund this group.[/p][/quote]http://epetitions.di rect.gov.uk/petition s/51125 ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: 2

6:23pm Mon 28 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

https://uk.answers.y
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dex?qid=201203041620
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https://uk.answers.y ahoo.com/question/in dex?qid=201203041620 58AAgqVzP ZeeGee, ffs
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6:29pm Mon 28 Apr 14

clubrob6 says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Arrggh wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
ON THE RIVET wrote:
Firstly I would like to apologise on commenting on this English situation as being Welsh I might not be seen by some as having the right to talk about English matters. Then again I have been living in Brighton now for 19 years so I feel some sort of leeway should be given to me to comment on this March for England. Although I do understand that just because I have been living in Brighton for 19 years some might feel that I should go back to the country I came from I want to just put some ideas forward about the March and would also like some answers to my thinkng.

I am going to put this as simply as I can and welcome comments.
I believe in the right to free speech but who allowed this march to go ahead ? Some one somewhere signed it off and allowed it to go ahead. ? ? who was it anybody know ?

Another question is :-
Do Brighton residents now have to foot the policing bill for this march ?

With only around 150 people marching on a concept that most find worrying and somewhat dangerous to society, should the EDL be allowed to cause such havoc in Brighton or anywhere else with a march ?

Can't we have this march banned and something more positive allowed in its place? Closing down most of the seafront road for up to 8 hours is not right when it's only about 150 people marching. If they have courage of their conviction then we don't need to be policing this march at the cost of the tax payer.

Just think what could of happened there instead. What about a cycle race or some other sporting activity for people of Brighton to enjoy.

How about a multicultural day instead.
Oh I think I have come up with an idea for a march. March for Multiculturality. We could have that instead, sounds a lot better and I bet more people would march on that idea.

Anyway let me know who it was that allowed this march to go ahead if you know. I would like to speak to them face to face to make sure this march never happens again at least in Brighton.
So you're for free speech but only when you agree with what is being said.

Shame on you!

The costs of the operation were due to the Brighton residents and their mates who each year threaten the march. It's just a shame that the thousands of Brightonians who are happy to ignore the march have to foot the bill for the actions of 1,500 people who hate their country.
Anyone who doesn't agree with me hates their country- that seems a bit narrow minded and not at all in favour of free speech.
Thousands of Brightonians who are happy to ignore the march? It's impossible to ignore if you're anywhere near the centre- is that the closest to support it gets here in your view? People who are happy to ignore it.
Footage showed marchers, having split away from it after another decision by the police that baffles me, throwing chairs and glasses so the idea that only the antis kicked off is obviously not true.
So the people who weren't in the centre never saw any of it.

I take it that 'ignore' isn't an unfamiliar word to you?

I left the march at the junction of Duke Street, from where I was going to make my way to the pub via Subway. Wearing a suit, I was easily able to walk past the gathering groups of UAF without any problem. Seconds later, the screams of abuse from two revolting young women greeted a bunch of people who were plainly marchers, and the police were forced to move in. The few shoppers on Duke Street were plainly rattled by this and by the appearance of several UAF thugs who were walking up the street to confront the marchers.

Yes, the town centre was not a pleasant place to be yesterday, and all thanks to the UAF etc who were bent on causing trouble.
No matter what you say people wont admit that the trouble makers are on both sides,the UAF are the most violent group in the UK FACT.This march should not go ahead again as it just attracts extremists from both sides.But then the Unite Against Freedom will claim victory as an extremist group that's what they do use force.At least one of there main speakers who was one of Lee Rigbys murderers is now locked up for good.
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ON THE RIVET[/bold] wrote: Firstly I would like to apologise on commenting on this English situation as being Welsh I might not be seen by some as having the right to talk about English matters. Then again I have been living in Brighton now for 19 years so I feel some sort of leeway should be given to me to comment on this March for England. Although I do understand that just because I have been living in Brighton for 19 years some might feel that I should go back to the country I came from I want to just put some ideas forward about the March and would also like some answers to my thinkng. I am going to put this as simply as I can and welcome comments. I believe in the right to free speech but who allowed this march to go ahead ? Some one somewhere signed it off and allowed it to go ahead. ? ? who was it anybody know ? Another question is :- Do Brighton residents now have to foot the policing bill for this march ? With only around 150 people marching on a concept that most find worrying and somewhat dangerous to society, should the EDL be allowed to cause such havoc in Brighton or anywhere else with a march ? Can't we have this march banned and something more positive allowed in its place? Closing down most of the seafront road for up to 8 hours is not right when it's only about 150 people marching. If they have courage of their conviction then we don't need to be policing this march at the cost of the tax payer. Just think what could of happened there instead. What about a cycle race or some other sporting activity for people of Brighton to enjoy. How about a multicultural day instead. Oh I think I have come up with an idea for a march. March for Multiculturality. We could have that instead, sounds a lot better and I bet more people would march on that idea. Anyway let me know who it was that allowed this march to go ahead if you know. I would like to speak to them face to face to make sure this march never happens again at least in Brighton.[/p][/quote]So you're for free speech but only when you agree with what is being said. Shame on you! The costs of the operation were due to the Brighton residents and their mates who each year threaten the march. It's just a shame that the thousands of Brightonians who are happy to ignore the march have to foot the bill for the actions of 1,500 people who hate their country.[/p][/quote]Anyone who doesn't agree with me hates their country- that seems a bit narrow minded and not at all in favour of free speech. Thousands of Brightonians who are happy to ignore the march? It's impossible to ignore if you're anywhere near the centre- is that the closest to support it gets here in your view? People who are happy to ignore it. Footage showed marchers, having split away from it after another decision by the police that baffles me, throwing chairs and glasses so the idea that only the antis kicked off is obviously not true.[/p][/quote]So the people who weren't in the centre never saw any of it. I take it that 'ignore' isn't an unfamiliar word to you? I left the march at the junction of Duke Street, from where I was going to make my way to the pub via Subway. Wearing a suit, I was easily able to walk past the gathering groups of UAF without any problem. Seconds later, the screams of abuse from two revolting young women greeted a bunch of people who were plainly marchers, and the police were forced to move in. The few shoppers on Duke Street were plainly rattled by this and by the appearance of several UAF thugs who were walking up the street to confront the marchers. Yes, the town centre was not a pleasant place to be yesterday, and all thanks to the UAF etc who were bent on causing trouble.[/p][/quote]No matter what you say people wont admit that the trouble makers are on both sides,the UAF are the most violent group in the UK FACT.This march should not go ahead again as it just attracts extremists from both sides.But then the Unite Against Freedom will claim victory as an extremist group that's what they do use force.At least one of there main speakers who was one of Lee Rigbys murderers is now locked up for good. clubrob6
  • Score: -1

6:38pm Mon 28 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

clubrob6 wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Arrggh wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
ON THE RIVET wrote:
Firstly I would like to apologise on commenting on this English situation as being Welsh I might not be seen by some as having the right to talk about English matters. Then again I have been living in Brighton now for 19 years so I feel some sort of leeway should be given to me to comment on this March for England. Although I do understand that just because I have been living in Brighton for 19 years some might feel that I should go back to the country I came from I want to just put some ideas forward about the March and would also like some answers to my thinkng.

I am going to put this as simply as I can and welcome comments.
I believe in the right to free speech but who allowed this march to go ahead ? Some one somewhere signed it off and allowed it to go ahead. ? ? who was it anybody know ?

Another question is :-
Do Brighton residents now have to foot the policing bill for this march ?

With only around 150 people marching on a concept that most find worrying and somewhat dangerous to society, should the EDL be allowed to cause such havoc in Brighton or anywhere else with a march ?

Can't we have this march banned and something more positive allowed in its place? Closing down most of the seafront road for up to 8 hours is not right when it's only about 150 people marching. If they have courage of their conviction then we don't need to be policing this march at the cost of the tax payer.

Just think what could of happened there instead. What about a cycle race or some other sporting activity for people of Brighton to enjoy.

How about a multicultural day instead.
Oh I think I have come up with an idea for a march. March for Multiculturality. We could have that instead, sounds a lot better and I bet more people would march on that idea.

Anyway let me know who it was that allowed this march to go ahead if you know. I would like to speak to them face to face to make sure this march never happens again at least in Brighton.
So you're for free speech but only when you agree with what is being said.

Shame on you!

The costs of the operation were due to the Brighton residents and their mates who each year threaten the march. It's just a shame that the thousands of Brightonians who are happy to ignore the march have to foot the bill for the actions of 1,500 people who hate their country.
Anyone who doesn't agree with me hates their country- that seems a bit narrow minded and not at all in favour of free speech.
Thousands of Brightonians who are happy to ignore the march? It's impossible to ignore if you're anywhere near the centre- is that the closest to support it gets here in your view? People who are happy to ignore it.
Footage showed marchers, having split away from it after another decision by the police that baffles me, throwing chairs and glasses so the idea that only the antis kicked off is obviously not true.
So the people who weren't in the centre never saw any of it.

I take it that 'ignore' isn't an unfamiliar word to you?

I left the march at the junction of Duke Street, from where I was going to make my way to the pub via Subway. Wearing a suit, I was easily able to walk past the gathering groups of UAF without any problem. Seconds later, the screams of abuse from two revolting young women greeted a bunch of people who were plainly marchers, and the police were forced to move in. The few shoppers on Duke Street were plainly rattled by this and by the appearance of several UAF thugs who were walking up the street to confront the marchers.

Yes, the town centre was not a pleasant place to be yesterday, and all thanks to the UAF etc who were bent on causing trouble.
No matter what you say people wont admit that the trouble makers are on both sides,the UAF are the most violent group in the UK FACT.This march should not go ahead again as it just attracts extremists from both sides.But then the Unite Against Freedom will claim victory as an extremist group that's what they do use force.At least one of there main speakers who was one of Lee Rigbys murderers is now locked up for good.
It isn't 'extreme' to respond to a threat of violence or abuse.

I was in that march, and most people around me were happily singing and waving to the thugs across the street. How many of them were dragged out of the march by the police? The coppers were very friendly and professional, and they even allowed the odd 'gay' taunt without turning a hair.
[quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ON THE RIVET[/bold] wrote: Firstly I would like to apologise on commenting on this English situation as being Welsh I might not be seen by some as having the right to talk about English matters. Then again I have been living in Brighton now for 19 years so I feel some sort of leeway should be given to me to comment on this March for England. Although I do understand that just because I have been living in Brighton for 19 years some might feel that I should go back to the country I came from I want to just put some ideas forward about the March and would also like some answers to my thinkng. I am going to put this as simply as I can and welcome comments. I believe in the right to free speech but who allowed this march to go ahead ? Some one somewhere signed it off and allowed it to go ahead. ? ? who was it anybody know ? Another question is :- Do Brighton residents now have to foot the policing bill for this march ? With only around 150 people marching on a concept that most find worrying and somewhat dangerous to society, should the EDL be allowed to cause such havoc in Brighton or anywhere else with a march ? Can't we have this march banned and something more positive allowed in its place? Closing down most of the seafront road for up to 8 hours is not right when it's only about 150 people marching. If they have courage of their conviction then we don't need to be policing this march at the cost of the tax payer. Just think what could of happened there instead. What about a cycle race or some other sporting activity for people of Brighton to enjoy. How about a multicultural day instead. Oh I think I have come up with an idea for a march. March for Multiculturality. We could have that instead, sounds a lot better and I bet more people would march on that idea. Anyway let me know who it was that allowed this march to go ahead if you know. I would like to speak to them face to face to make sure this march never happens again at least in Brighton.[/p][/quote]So you're for free speech but only when you agree with what is being said. Shame on you! The costs of the operation were due to the Brighton residents and their mates who each year threaten the march. It's just a shame that the thousands of Brightonians who are happy to ignore the march have to foot the bill for the actions of 1,500 people who hate their country.[/p][/quote]Anyone who doesn't agree with me hates their country- that seems a bit narrow minded and not at all in favour of free speech. Thousands of Brightonians who are happy to ignore the march? It's impossible to ignore if you're anywhere near the centre- is that the closest to support it gets here in your view? People who are happy to ignore it. Footage showed marchers, having split away from it after another decision by the police that baffles me, throwing chairs and glasses so the idea that only the antis kicked off is obviously not true.[/p][/quote]So the people who weren't in the centre never saw any of it. I take it that 'ignore' isn't an unfamiliar word to you? I left the march at the junction of Duke Street, from where I was going to make my way to the pub via Subway. Wearing a suit, I was easily able to walk past the gathering groups of UAF without any problem. Seconds later, the screams of abuse from two revolting young women greeted a bunch of people who were plainly marchers, and the police were forced to move in. The few shoppers on Duke Street were plainly rattled by this and by the appearance of several UAF thugs who were walking up the street to confront the marchers. Yes, the town centre was not a pleasant place to be yesterday, and all thanks to the UAF etc who were bent on causing trouble.[/p][/quote]No matter what you say people wont admit that the trouble makers are on both sides,the UAF are the most violent group in the UK FACT.This march should not go ahead again as it just attracts extremists from both sides.But then the Unite Against Freedom will claim victory as an extremist group that's what they do use force.At least one of there main speakers who was one of Lee Rigbys murderers is now locked up for good.[/p][/quote]It isn't 'extreme' to respond to a threat of violence or abuse. I was in that march, and most people around me were happily singing and waving to the thugs across the street. How many of them were dragged out of the march by the police? The coppers were very friendly and professional, and they even allowed the odd 'gay' taunt without turning a hair. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: 1

6:46pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Arrggh says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Arrggh wrote:
Zeegee ffs- I've never met anyone who knows they hate their country- is it a bit like being an alcoholic in denial?
Denying something to others isn't the same as denying it to oneself.

" I've never met anyone who knows they hate their country"

And that somehow means such people don't exist? Blimey, you really do have an inflated opinion of yourself. Get this - some people live their lives without having to tell you about everything.
How does that mean I have an inflated opinion of myself? I haven't said that I'm superior to anyone unlike yourself.
How are they supposed to know they actually hate their country then?
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: Zeegee ffs- I've never met anyone who knows they hate their country- is it a bit like being an alcoholic in denial?[/p][/quote]Denying something to others isn't the same as denying it to oneself. " I've never met anyone who knows they hate their country" And that somehow means such people don't exist? Blimey, you really do have an inflated opinion of yourself. Get this - some people live their lives without having to tell you about everything.[/p][/quote]How does that mean I have an inflated opinion of myself? I haven't said that I'm superior to anyone unlike yourself. How are they supposed to know they actually hate their country then? Arrggh
  • Score: 1

6:50pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Arrggh says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Arrggh wrote:
clubrob6 wrote:
hey mongo wrote:
Question for UAF supporters and members....this a genuine question which i dont know the answer to...you must admit that there is a small number of muslim/islam preachers of hate who openly do demonstrations who stand for things which is totally against any normal persons beliefs sharia law death to the uk etc...so in the interests of fairness you should also turn up at these demonstrations and do tour thing as well? You cant say its unacceptable for meatheads to march around with england flags yet do nothing about preachers of hate who have fascist ideas for themselves?? Maybe this happens i would like to know...
True the UAF had one of Lee Rigby's murderers Michael Adebolojo as a speaker,i did not believe that at first but there is a video of him on youtube speaking at a UAF demonstration at Harrow central mosque in 2009.
Were they supposed to know what he was later going to do?
This is the sort of person that the UAF loves. It's already been pointed out that it clashes with his hatred of homsexuality to be fawned over by the UAF.
I'm not in UAF but couldn't see how you expect them to be clairvoyant.
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hey mongo[/bold] wrote: Question for UAF supporters and members....this a genuine question which i dont know the answer to...you must admit that there is a small number of muslim/islam preachers of hate who openly do demonstrations who stand for things which is totally against any normal persons beliefs sharia law death to the uk etc...so in the interests of fairness you should also turn up at these demonstrations and do tour thing as well? You cant say its unacceptable for meatheads to march around with england flags yet do nothing about preachers of hate who have fascist ideas for themselves?? Maybe this happens i would like to know...[/p][/quote]True the UAF had one of Lee Rigby's murderers Michael Adebolojo as a speaker,i did not believe that at first but there is a video of him on youtube speaking at a UAF demonstration at Harrow central mosque in 2009.[/p][/quote]Were they supposed to know what he was later going to do?[/p][/quote]This is the sort of person that the UAF loves. It's already been pointed out that it clashes with his hatred of homsexuality to be fawned over by the UAF.[/p][/quote]I'm not in UAF but couldn't see how you expect them to be clairvoyant. Arrggh
  • Score: 1

6:56pm Mon 28 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Arrggh wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Arrggh wrote:
clubrob6 wrote:
hey mongo wrote:
Question for UAF supporters and members....this a genuine question which i dont know the answer to...you must admit that there is a small number of muslim/islam preachers of hate who openly do demonstrations who stand for things which is totally against any normal persons beliefs sharia law death to the uk etc...so in the interests of fairness you should also turn up at these demonstrations and do tour thing as well? You cant say its unacceptable for meatheads to march around with england flags yet do nothing about preachers of hate who have fascist ideas for themselves?? Maybe this happens i would like to know...
True the UAF had one of Lee Rigby's murderers Michael Adebolojo as a speaker,i did not believe that at first but there is a video of him on youtube speaking at a UAF demonstration at Harrow central mosque in 2009.
Were they supposed to know what he was later going to do?
This is the sort of person that the UAF loves. It's already been pointed out that it clashes with his hatred of homsexuality to be fawned over by the UAF.
I'm not in UAF but couldn't see how you expect them to be clairvoyant.
You clearly have no idea what an islamic extremist is.

Perhaps you should restrict your comments on matters which you actually know something about?
[quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hey mongo[/bold] wrote: Question for UAF supporters and members....this a genuine question which i dont know the answer to...you must admit that there is a small number of muslim/islam preachers of hate who openly do demonstrations who stand for things which is totally against any normal persons beliefs sharia law death to the uk etc...so in the interests of fairness you should also turn up at these demonstrations and do tour thing as well? You cant say its unacceptable for meatheads to march around with england flags yet do nothing about preachers of hate who have fascist ideas for themselves?? Maybe this happens i would like to know...[/p][/quote]True the UAF had one of Lee Rigby's murderers Michael Adebolojo as a speaker,i did not believe that at first but there is a video of him on youtube speaking at a UAF demonstration at Harrow central mosque in 2009.[/p][/quote]Were they supposed to know what he was later going to do?[/p][/quote]This is the sort of person that the UAF loves. It's already been pointed out that it clashes with his hatred of homsexuality to be fawned over by the UAF.[/p][/quote]I'm not in UAF but couldn't see how you expect them to be clairvoyant.[/p][/quote]You clearly have no idea what an islamic extremist is. Perhaps you should restrict your comments on matters which you actually know something about? ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -1

6:57pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Bill in Hanover says...

The EDL with their short haircuts and the UAF with their long hair are reminiscent of the Mods and Rockers who also used to turn up in Brighton with the express purpose of a punch up with 'the opposition'. Politics plays no part in these disturbances.
The EDL with their short haircuts and the UAF with their long hair are reminiscent of the Mods and Rockers who also used to turn up in Brighton with the express purpose of a punch up with 'the opposition'. Politics plays no part in these disturbances. Bill in Hanover
  • Score: -1

6:59pm Mon 28 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Arrggh wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Arrggh wrote:
Zeegee ffs- I've never met anyone who knows they hate their country- is it a bit like being an alcoholic in denial?
Denying something to others isn't the same as denying it to oneself.

" I've never met anyone who knows they hate their country"

And that somehow means such people don't exist? Blimey, you really do have an inflated opinion of yourself. Get this - some people live their lives without having to tell you about everything.
How does that mean I have an inflated opinion of myself? I haven't said that I'm superior to anyone unlike yourself.
How are they supposed to know they actually hate their country then?
"How does that mean I have an inflated opinion of myself?"

For the reason stated.

Just because you don't know of anyone with a particular hatred of something doesn't mean that such people don't exist. You don't know everyone on the planet, and people don't have to inform you of everything they do.

"How are they supposed to know they actually hate their country then?"

*facepalm*

If someone hates something, they will know that they do.
[quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: Zeegee ffs- I've never met anyone who knows they hate their country- is it a bit like being an alcoholic in denial?[/p][/quote]Denying something to others isn't the same as denying it to oneself. " I've never met anyone who knows they hate their country" And that somehow means such people don't exist? Blimey, you really do have an inflated opinion of yourself. Get this - some people live their lives without having to tell you about everything.[/p][/quote]How does that mean I have an inflated opinion of myself? I haven't said that I'm superior to anyone unlike yourself. How are they supposed to know they actually hate their country then?[/p][/quote]"How does that mean I have an inflated opinion of myself?" For the reason stated. Just because you don't know of anyone with a particular hatred of something doesn't mean that such people don't exist. You don't know everyone on the planet, and people don't have to inform you of everything they do. "How are they supposed to know they actually hate their country then?" *facepalm* If someone hates something, they will know that they do. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -1

7:00pm Mon 28 Apr 14

clubrob6 says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
GJ12345 wrote:
Reading through a lot of these comments I don't think Brighton is diverse or tolerant. These people choose to believe in something different so who are we to stop them. Everyone should have an opinion and a right to express that opinion but the hate for these people is ridiculous and the violence that comes along with it is a joke. If everyone had the same beliefs and opinions the world would be a very boring place. You don't need to get violent because these people choose to believe in something different you can have a peaceful protest of for and against.
Excellent point!

'Diversity' apparently means " allowing different things but only if I like them"

'Diversity' is one of countries major problems, and it is shown by the existence of the UAF. For decades, Englishmen have had their culture eroded, and it's reached a point where they face anger for merely expressing their patriotism. The MFE and other events had nothing to do with racism or hatred from those taking part. If it had, then the police would have made arrests.

The very fact that 'diversity' exists shows that the host culture is being reduced and sidelined. if the same were happening in Africa or the Amazon region, people like Caroline Lucas would be up in arms. The fact that The Empire is used almost as an insult to our past shows this, and yet Luces et al actively and openly promote the erosion of Britain's culture.

'Racism' arises when two or more cultures are forced to live alongside each other. It is displayed by those of both cultures, although it seems that Lenny Henry can be racist as much as he likes to the host culture. Funny, I didn't see Lucas getting all worked up about that, but there she was lambasting those on the MFE for being English and proud.

And the intolerance shown towards those who oppose gay marriage is astounding.

No, the UAF etc are a problem in this country. Self-hate is a tricky area to deal with.
Agree with your comments.The UAF have been found out in my opinion as the extremist group they are,they are trying to stop free speech by force and are violent at almost every event they attend even at UKIP events as UKIP are there new target.
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GJ12345[/bold] wrote: Reading through a lot of these comments I don't think Brighton is diverse or tolerant. These people choose to believe in something different so who are we to stop them. Everyone should have an opinion and a right to express that opinion but the hate for these people is ridiculous and the violence that comes along with it is a joke. If everyone had the same beliefs and opinions the world would be a very boring place. You don't need to get violent because these people choose to believe in something different you can have a peaceful protest of for and against.[/p][/quote]Excellent point! 'Diversity' apparently means " allowing different things but only if I like them" 'Diversity' is one of countries major problems, and it is shown by the existence of the UAF. For decades, Englishmen have had their culture eroded, and it's reached a point where they face anger for merely expressing their patriotism. The MFE and other events had nothing to do with racism or hatred from those taking part. If it had, then the police would have made arrests. The very fact that 'diversity' exists shows that the host culture is being reduced and sidelined. if the same were happening in Africa or the Amazon region, people like Caroline Lucas would be up in arms. The fact that The Empire is used almost as an insult to our past shows this, and yet Luces et al actively and openly promote the erosion of Britain's culture. 'Racism' arises when two or more cultures are forced to live alongside each other. It is displayed by those of both cultures, although it seems that Lenny Henry can be racist as much as he likes to the host culture. Funny, I didn't see Lucas getting all worked up about that, but there she was lambasting those on the MFE for being English and proud. And the intolerance shown towards those who oppose gay marriage is astounding. No, the UAF etc are a problem in this country. Self-hate is a tricky area to deal with.[/p][/quote]Agree with your comments.The UAF have been found out in my opinion as the extremist group they are,they are trying to stop free speech by force and are violent at almost every event they attend even at UKIP events as UKIP are there new target. clubrob6
  • Score: 1

7:03pm Mon 28 Apr 14

clubrob6 says...

charlie smirke wrote:
Peaceful protest is legal, this was not peaceful so therefore illegal and his "event" should not be allowed to take place in future. If Lucas thinks it's clever to encourage law-breaking thugs into Brighton, let her pay for all the damage they've caused out of her own pocket.
Point taken and that's exactly why the now extremist group UAF that causes trouble at these and UKIP events should lose there government funding.
[quote][p][bold]charlie smirke[/bold] wrote: Peaceful protest is legal, this was not peaceful so therefore illegal and his "event" should not be allowed to take place in future. If Lucas thinks it's clever to encourage law-breaking thugs into Brighton, let her pay for all the damage they've caused out of her own pocket.[/p][/quote]Point taken and that's exactly why the now extremist group UAF that causes trouble at these and UKIP events should lose there government funding. clubrob6
  • Score: 1

7:09pm Mon 28 Apr 14

clubrob6 says...

linnig wrote:
Where there anf mfe members wearing balaclavas?????....T

hey seemed to be the ones kicking off...
Face covering was not allowed which was good and anyone that refused to take them off were arrested.I think you will find it was the UAF that was causing the trouble like they do at all these type of events and at UKIP events they attend to cause trouble.From what I see the UAF were trying to get ibto pubs etc just to cause trouble.Unite Against Freedom i'm afraid have been found out for what they are extremist.
[quote][p][bold]linnig[/bold] wrote: Where there anf mfe members wearing balaclavas?????....T hey seemed to be the ones kicking off...[/p][/quote]Face covering was not allowed which was good and anyone that refused to take them off were arrested.I think you will find it was the UAF that was causing the trouble like they do at all these type of events and at UKIP events they attend to cause trouble.From what I see the UAF were trying to get ibto pubs etc just to cause trouble.Unite Against Freedom i'm afraid have been found out for what they are extremist. clubrob6
  • Score: 4

7:20pm Mon 28 Apr 14

clubrob6 says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Terry K wrote:
I have to admit, being bald, tattooed, shouting slogans and looking aggressive does look bad in average joe's eyes, young impressionable people should see a demonstration of Englishness, for example, parodies of tea drinking, brollies, bowler hat's etc, city gent look, floats with red phone and post boxes, good manners, the Beatles, you get the idea? Have to win over hearts and minds of the young, the football style thuggery look defeats the object and gives ammunition to lefties.
Don't many teens nowadays sport tattoos? The UAF certainly tried to 'look hard, and they also chanted slogans of hate. Most of them looked like they needed a wash and a meal, and they certainly ran away when faced with real men.
The UAF Unite Against Freedom started days with good intensions but have been took over by an extremist element in years to come Cameron will be embarred about putting his name to them and funding them.Especially since on of Lee Rigbys murderers was a speaker at UAF events.I wonder why they now attend UKIP events too???
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Terry K[/bold] wrote: I have to admit, being bald, tattooed, shouting slogans and looking aggressive does look bad in average joe's eyes, young impressionable people should see a demonstration of Englishness, for example, parodies of tea drinking, brollies, bowler hat's etc, city gent look, floats with red phone and post boxes, good manners, the Beatles, you get the idea? Have to win over hearts and minds of the young, the football style thuggery look defeats the object and gives ammunition to lefties.[/p][/quote]Don't many teens nowadays sport tattoos? The UAF certainly tried to 'look hard, and they also chanted slogans of hate. Most of them looked like they needed a wash and a meal, and they certainly ran away when faced with real men.[/p][/quote]The UAF Unite Against Freedom started days with good intensions but have been took over by an extremist element in years to come Cameron will be embarred about putting his name to them and funding them.Especially since on of Lee Rigbys murderers was a speaker at UAF events.I wonder why they now attend UKIP events too??? clubrob6
  • Score: -2

7:37pm Mon 28 Apr 14

clubrob6 says...

Arrggh wrote:
clubrob6 wrote:
hey mongo wrote:
Question for UAF supporters and members....this a genuine question which i dont know the answer to...you must admit that there is a small number of muslim/islam preachers of hate who openly do demonstrations who stand for things which is totally against any normal persons beliefs sharia law death to the uk etc...so in the interests of fairness you should also turn up at these demonstrations and do tour thing as well? You cant say its unacceptable for meatheads to march around with england flags yet do nothing about preachers of hate who have fascist ideas for themselves?? Maybe this happens i would like to know...
True the UAF had one of Lee Rigby's murderers Michael Adebolojo as a speaker,i did not believe that at first but there is a video of him on youtube speaking at a UAF demonstration at Harrow central mosque in 2009.
Were they supposed to know what he was later going to do?
From your comments on here that's exactly what I would expect you to say,my answer will be why let people preach hatred at UAF demonstrations????Yo
u obviously think its quite correct for UAF to use violence to stop free speech.
[quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hey mongo[/bold] wrote: Question for UAF supporters and members....this a genuine question which i dont know the answer to...you must admit that there is a small number of muslim/islam preachers of hate who openly do demonstrations who stand for things which is totally against any normal persons beliefs sharia law death to the uk etc...so in the interests of fairness you should also turn up at these demonstrations and do tour thing as well? You cant say its unacceptable for meatheads to march around with england flags yet do nothing about preachers of hate who have fascist ideas for themselves?? Maybe this happens i would like to know...[/p][/quote]True the UAF had one of Lee Rigby's murderers Michael Adebolojo as a speaker,i did not believe that at first but there is a video of him on youtube speaking at a UAF demonstration at Harrow central mosque in 2009.[/p][/quote]Were they supposed to know what he was later going to do?[/p][/quote]From your comments on here that's exactly what I would expect you to say,my answer will be why let people preach hatred at UAF demonstrations????Yo u obviously think its quite correct for UAF to use violence to stop free speech. clubrob6
  • Score: -1

7:48pm Mon 28 Apr 14

clubrob6 says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
clubrob6 wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Arrggh wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
ON THE RIVET wrote:
Firstly I would like to apologise on commenting on this English situation as being Welsh I might not be seen by some as having the right to talk about English matters. Then again I have been living in Brighton now for 19 years so I feel some sort of leeway should be given to me to comment on this March for England. Although I do understand that just because I have been living in Brighton for 19 years some might feel that I should go back to the country I came from I want to just put some ideas forward about the March and would also like some answers to my thinkng.

I am going to put this as simply as I can and welcome comments.
I believe in the right to free speech but who allowed this march to go ahead ? Some one somewhere signed it off and allowed it to go ahead. ? ? who was it anybody know ?

Another question is :-
Do Brighton residents now have to foot the policing bill for this march ?

With only around 150 people marching on a concept that most find worrying and somewhat dangerous to society, should the EDL be allowed to cause such havoc in Brighton or anywhere else with a march ?

Can't we have this march banned and something more positive allowed in its place? Closing down most of the seafront road for up to 8 hours is not right when it's only about 150 people marching. If they have courage of their conviction then we don't need to be policing this march at the cost of the tax payer.

Just think what could of happened there instead. What about a cycle race or some other sporting activity for people of Brighton to enjoy.

How about a multicultural day instead.
Oh I think I have come up with an idea for a march. March for Multiculturality. We could have that instead, sounds a lot better and I bet more people would march on that idea.

Anyway let me know who it was that allowed this march to go ahead if you know. I would like to speak to them face to face to make sure this march never happens again at least in Brighton.
So you're for free speech but only when you agree with what is being said.

Shame on you!

The costs of the operation were due to the Brighton residents and their mates who each year threaten the march. It's just a shame that the thousands of Brightonians who are happy to ignore the march have to foot the bill for the actions of 1,500 people who hate their country.
Anyone who doesn't agree with me hates their country- that seems a bit narrow minded and not at all in favour of free speech.
Thousands of Brightonians who are happy to ignore the march? It's impossible to ignore if you're anywhere near the centre- is that the closest to support it gets here in your view? People who are happy to ignore it.
Footage showed marchers, having split away from it after another decision by the police that baffles me, throwing chairs and glasses so the idea that only the antis kicked off is obviously not true.
So the people who weren't in the centre never saw any of it.

I take it that 'ignore' isn't an unfamiliar word to you?

I left the march at the junction of Duke Street, from where I was going to make my way to the pub via Subway. Wearing a suit, I was easily able to walk past the gathering groups of UAF without any problem. Seconds later, the screams of abuse from two revolting young women greeted a bunch of people who were plainly marchers, and the police were forced to move in. The few shoppers on Duke Street were plainly rattled by this and by the appearance of several UAF thugs who were walking up the street to confront the marchers.

Yes, the town centre was not a pleasant place to be yesterday, and all thanks to the UAF etc who were bent on causing trouble.
No matter what you say people wont admit that the trouble makers are on both sides,the UAF are the most violent group in the UK FACT.This march should not go ahead again as it just attracts extremists from both sides.But then the Unite Against Freedom will claim victory as an extremist group that's what they do use force.At least one of there main speakers who was one of Lee Rigbys murderers is now locked up for good.
It isn't 'extreme' to respond to a threat of violence or abuse.

I was in that march, and most people around me were happily singing and waving to the thugs across the street. How many of them were dragged out of the march by the police? The coppers were very friendly and professional, and they even allowed the odd 'gay' taunt without turning a hair.
The UAF is certainly been took over by an extremist element,i just wish the media would report thing correctly.The other year thugs with masks on were throwing things at police horses,the way it was worded it looked like the MFE was responsible but it was the UAF.The UAF are trying to get there way by force but I think the police know where the trouble comes from and made a good decision to make sure face covering were removed.The danger in brighton yesterday was the UAF.
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ON THE RIVET[/bold] wrote: Firstly I would like to apologise on commenting on this English situation as being Welsh I might not be seen by some as having the right to talk about English matters. Then again I have been living in Brighton now for 19 years so I feel some sort of leeway should be given to me to comment on this March for England. Although I do understand that just because I have been living in Brighton for 19 years some might feel that I should go back to the country I came from I want to just put some ideas forward about the March and would also like some answers to my thinkng. I am going to put this as simply as I can and welcome comments. I believe in the right to free speech but who allowed this march to go ahead ? Some one somewhere signed it off and allowed it to go ahead. ? ? who was it anybody know ? Another question is :- Do Brighton residents now have to foot the policing bill for this march ? With only around 150 people marching on a concept that most find worrying and somewhat dangerous to society, should the EDL be allowed to cause such havoc in Brighton or anywhere else with a march ? Can't we have this march banned and something more positive allowed in its place? Closing down most of the seafront road for up to 8 hours is not right when it's only about 150 people marching. If they have courage of their conviction then we don't need to be policing this march at the cost of the tax payer. Just think what could of happened there instead. What about a cycle race or some other sporting activity for people of Brighton to enjoy. How about a multicultural day instead. Oh I think I have come up with an idea for a march. March for Multiculturality. We could have that instead, sounds a lot better and I bet more people would march on that idea. Anyway let me know who it was that allowed this march to go ahead if you know. I would like to speak to them face to face to make sure this march never happens again at least in Brighton.[/p][/quote]So you're for free speech but only when you agree with what is being said. Shame on you! The costs of the operation were due to the Brighton residents and their mates who each year threaten the march. It's just a shame that the thousands of Brightonians who are happy to ignore the march have to foot the bill for the actions of 1,500 people who hate their country.[/p][/quote]Anyone who doesn't agree with me hates their country- that seems a bit narrow minded and not at all in favour of free speech. Thousands of Brightonians who are happy to ignore the march? It's impossible to ignore if you're anywhere near the centre- is that the closest to support it gets here in your view? People who are happy to ignore it. Footage showed marchers, having split away from it after another decision by the police that baffles me, throwing chairs and glasses so the idea that only the antis kicked off is obviously not true.[/p][/quote]So the people who weren't in the centre never saw any of it. I take it that 'ignore' isn't an unfamiliar word to you? I left the march at the junction of Duke Street, from where I was going to make my way to the pub via Subway. Wearing a suit, I was easily able to walk past the gathering groups of UAF without any problem. Seconds later, the screams of abuse from two revolting young women greeted a bunch of people who were plainly marchers, and the police were forced to move in. The few shoppers on Duke Street were plainly rattled by this and by the appearance of several UAF thugs who were walking up the street to confront the marchers. Yes, the town centre was not a pleasant place to be yesterday, and all thanks to the UAF etc who were bent on causing trouble.[/p][/quote]No matter what you say people wont admit that the trouble makers are on both sides,the UAF are the most violent group in the UK FACT.This march should not go ahead again as it just attracts extremists from both sides.But then the Unite Against Freedom will claim victory as an extremist group that's what they do use force.At least one of there main speakers who was one of Lee Rigbys murderers is now locked up for good.[/p][/quote]It isn't 'extreme' to respond to a threat of violence or abuse. I was in that march, and most people around me were happily singing and waving to the thugs across the street. How many of them were dragged out of the march by the police? The coppers were very friendly and professional, and they even allowed the odd 'gay' taunt without turning a hair.[/p][/quote]The UAF is certainly been took over by an extremist element,i just wish the media would report thing correctly.The other year thugs with masks on were throwing things at police horses,the way it was worded it looked like the MFE was responsible but it was the UAF.The UAF are trying to get there way by force but I think the police know where the trouble comes from and made a good decision to make sure face covering were removed.The danger in brighton yesterday was the UAF. clubrob6
  • Score: 2

7:56pm Mon 28 Apr 14

clubrob6 says...

Arrggh wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Arrggh wrote:
clubrob6 wrote:
hey mongo wrote:
Question for UAF supporters and members....this a genuine question which i dont know the answer to...you must admit that there is a small number of muslim/islam preachers of hate who openly do demonstrations who stand for things which is totally against any normal persons beliefs sharia law death to the uk etc...so in the interests of fairness you should also turn up at these demonstrations and do tour thing as well? You cant say its unacceptable for meatheads to march around with england flags yet do nothing about preachers of hate who have fascist ideas for themselves?? Maybe this happens i would like to know...
True the UAF had one of Lee Rigby's murderers Michael Adebolojo as a speaker,i did not believe that at first but there is a video of him on youtube speaking at a UAF demonstration at Harrow central mosque in 2009.
Were they supposed to know what he was later going to do?
This is the sort of person that the UAF loves. It's already been pointed out that it clashes with his hatred of homsexuality to be fawned over by the UAF.
I'm not in UAF but couldn't see how you expect them to be clairvoyant.
You just don't get it do you the UAF have attracted an extreme element hiding behind a name UAF that people automatically must mean they are a good group.They are now unfortunately a group that inflicts its opinions by force.They now even see UKIP as a threat to them.The best decision the police did yesterday was to make people take face coverings off.If they cant show there face in public they should not protest in public.I hope after all the violence the UAF are committing at events that they lose there government funding.I have wrote to my MP about this matter.
[quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hey mongo[/bold] wrote: Question for UAF supporters and members....this a genuine question which i dont know the answer to...you must admit that there is a small number of muslim/islam preachers of hate who openly do demonstrations who stand for things which is totally against any normal persons beliefs sharia law death to the uk etc...so in the interests of fairness you should also turn up at these demonstrations and do tour thing as well? You cant say its unacceptable for meatheads to march around with england flags yet do nothing about preachers of hate who have fascist ideas for themselves?? Maybe this happens i would like to know...[/p][/quote]True the UAF had one of Lee Rigby's murderers Michael Adebolojo as a speaker,i did not believe that at first but there is a video of him on youtube speaking at a UAF demonstration at Harrow central mosque in 2009.[/p][/quote]Were they supposed to know what he was later going to do?[/p][/quote]This is the sort of person that the UAF loves. It's already been pointed out that it clashes with his hatred of homsexuality to be fawned over by the UAF.[/p][/quote]I'm not in UAF but couldn't see how you expect them to be clairvoyant.[/p][/quote]You just don't get it do you the UAF have attracted an extreme element hiding behind a name UAF that people automatically must mean they are a good group.They are now unfortunately a group that inflicts its opinions by force.They now even see UKIP as a threat to them.The best decision the police did yesterday was to make people take face coverings off.If they cant show there face in public they should not protest in public.I hope after all the violence the UAF are committing at events that they lose there government funding.I have wrote to my MP about this matter. clubrob6
  • Score: 1

8:20pm Mon 28 Apr 14

KarenT says...

And they all screamed at each other and threw food and soda bottles and recited the same old chants, "Nazi scum, off our streets” (isn't it about time you anti's thought of a new one?) and “Have a wash” to the tune of the football chant “Here we go”. Oh so predictable, so tedious, so... I've seen that movie before... and it was boring then too. And now, the obsessive posting and mud-slinging on the thread reporting on the march, just like last year. Groundhog Day!!!! Stayed home and watched '101 Dalmatians' (after I made a killing at my balaclava pop-up shop of course). Fab film! Same again, next April... I suspect the Argus just copies and pastes last year's parade coverage! And the same idjits post the same comments and get into the same arguments. Painful.
And they all screamed at each other and threw food and soda bottles and recited the same old chants, "Nazi scum, off our streets” (isn't it about time you anti's thought of a new one?) and “Have a wash” to the tune of the football chant “Here we go”. Oh so predictable, so tedious, so... I've seen that movie before... and it was boring then too. And now, the obsessive posting and mud-slinging on the thread reporting on the march, just like last year. Groundhog Day!!!! Stayed home and watched '101 Dalmatians' (after I made a killing at my balaclava pop-up shop of course). Fab film! Same again, next April... I suspect the Argus just copies and pastes last year's parade coverage! And the same idjits post the same comments and get into the same arguments. Painful. KarenT
  • Score: 3

8:23pm Mon 28 Apr 14

thevoiceoftruth says...

I support the right to free speech but this event really should not be held in the centre of town. If the organisers want to hold it again, they should pay the costs of policing it. Plus it's all so ugly. Who wants to see a group of fat, balding, beetroot faced marchers with massive beer bellies? And that's just the women.
I support the right to free speech but this event really should not be held in the centre of town. If the organisers want to hold it again, they should pay the costs of policing it. Plus it's all so ugly. Who wants to see a group of fat, balding, beetroot faced marchers with massive beer bellies? And that's just the women. thevoiceoftruth
  • Score: -2

8:34pm Mon 28 Apr 14

thevoiceoftruth says...

Ashles wrote:
I just checked the Macrh for England website. It doesn't say anything about being "a celebration of a foreigner".
Are you sure that's the main purpose of the MfE?

I'll copy and paste from their front page:

"United we can make this country a more better place"

Fine words indeed. I for one would like England to be more better.

http://marchforengla

nd.weebly.com/
Jeez, you have to laugh. A more better place. Brilliant!
[quote][p][bold]Ashles[/bold] wrote: I just checked the Macrh for England website. It doesn't say anything about being "a celebration of a foreigner". Are you sure that's the main purpose of the MfE? I'll copy and paste from their front page: "United we can make this country a more better place" Fine words indeed. I for one would like England to be more better. http://marchforengla nd.weebly.com/[/p][/quote]Jeez, you have to laugh. A more better place. Brilliant! thevoiceoftruth
  • Score: 5

8:36pm Mon 28 Apr 14

To baldly go says...

Wtf are you lot on, go and sit on the naughty step and think about it like good little samaritans!
Wtf are you lot on, go and sit on the naughty step and think about it like good little samaritans! To baldly go
  • Score: 2

9:57pm Mon 28 Apr 14

KarenT says...

Apparently "Star Wars" is on telly this weekend... I'm gonna make a cake too...
Apparently "Star Wars" is on telly this weekend... I'm gonna make a cake too... KarenT
  • Score: 2

11:13pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

Well done Karen, that's a good English tradition. Films at home, home made cakes. I'm going to fix some broken guttering, service my motorbike and take the wife for a Sunday lunch and the cinema.
Good English friendly, happy traditions. No anger, no bad words no screaming in the streets...except when I drop a spanner on my foot.
We should reclaim England with friendly traditions. I travel all over the world for work and am always told that the English are known for their good manners.
Let's make sure it stays that way.
Well done Karen, that's a good English tradition. Films at home, home made cakes. I'm going to fix some broken guttering, service my motorbike and take the wife for a Sunday lunch and the cinema. Good English friendly, happy traditions. No anger, no bad words no screaming in the streets...except when I drop a spanner on my foot. We should reclaim England with friendly traditions. I travel all over the world for work and am always told that the English are known for their good manners. Let's make sure it stays that way. Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: 6

11:32pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Arrggh says...

clubrob6 wrote:
Arrggh wrote:
clubrob6 wrote:
hey mongo wrote:
Question for UAF supporters and members....this a genuine question which i dont know the answer to...you must admit that there is a small number of muslim/islam preachers of hate who openly do demonstrations who stand for things which is totally against any normal persons beliefs sharia law death to the uk etc...so in the interests of fairness you should also turn up at these demonstrations and do tour thing as well? You cant say its unacceptable for meatheads to march around with england flags yet do nothing about preachers of hate who have fascist ideas for themselves?? Maybe this happens i would like to know...
True the UAF had one of Lee Rigby's murderers Michael Adebolojo as a speaker,i did not believe that at first but there is a video of him on youtube speaking at a UAF demonstration at Harrow central mosque in 2009.
Were they supposed to know what he was later going to do?
From your comments on here that's exactly what I would expect you to say,my answer will be why let people preach hatred at UAF demonstrations????Yo

u obviously think its quite correct for UAF to use violence to stop free speech.
The only thing that stopped free speech yesterday was other free speech.
If he's on youtube at a UAF event you be able to hear what he was preaching-probably wasn't violence.
[quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hey mongo[/bold] wrote: Question for UAF supporters and members....this a genuine question which i dont know the answer to...you must admit that there is a small number of muslim/islam preachers of hate who openly do demonstrations who stand for things which is totally against any normal persons beliefs sharia law death to the uk etc...so in the interests of fairness you should also turn up at these demonstrations and do tour thing as well? You cant say its unacceptable for meatheads to march around with england flags yet do nothing about preachers of hate who have fascist ideas for themselves?? Maybe this happens i would like to know...[/p][/quote]True the UAF had one of Lee Rigby's murderers Michael Adebolojo as a speaker,i did not believe that at first but there is a video of him on youtube speaking at a UAF demonstration at Harrow central mosque in 2009.[/p][/quote]Were they supposed to know what he was later going to do?[/p][/quote]From your comments on here that's exactly what I would expect you to say,my answer will be why let people preach hatred at UAF demonstrations????Yo u obviously think its quite correct for UAF to use violence to stop free speech.[/p][/quote]The only thing that stopped free speech yesterday was other free speech. If he's on youtube at a UAF event you be able to hear what he was preaching-probably wasn't violence. Arrggh
  • Score: -2

7:04am Tue 29 Apr 14

Plantpot says...

Brighton has been a scum magnet since forever, and nothing will change going forward. And I apply that thinking to both sets of demonstrators out on Sunday. Depending on your point of view, one set of demonstrators was in favour of free speech, and the other against it. Could have been either of them, who knows?

If it weren't for family commitments I would have left here years ago.
Brighton has been a scum magnet since forever, and nothing will change going forward. And I apply that thinking to both sets of demonstrators out on Sunday. Depending on your point of view, one set of demonstrators was in favour of free speech, and the other against it. Could have been either of them, who knows? If it weren't for family commitments I would have left here years ago. Plantpot
  • Score: 0

11:18am Tue 29 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Arrggh wrote:
clubrob6 wrote:
Arrggh wrote:
clubrob6 wrote:
hey mongo wrote:
Question for UAF supporters and members....this a genuine question which i dont know the answer to...you must admit that there is a small number of muslim/islam preachers of hate who openly do demonstrations who stand for things which is totally against any normal persons beliefs sharia law death to the uk etc...so in the interests of fairness you should also turn up at these demonstrations and do tour thing as well? You cant say its unacceptable for meatheads to march around with england flags yet do nothing about preachers of hate who have fascist ideas for themselves?? Maybe this happens i would like to know...
True the UAF had one of Lee Rigby's murderers Michael Adebolojo as a speaker,i did not believe that at first but there is a video of him on youtube speaking at a UAF demonstration at Harrow central mosque in 2009.
Were they supposed to know what he was later going to do?
From your comments on here that's exactly what I would expect you to say,my answer will be why let people preach hatred at UAF demonstrations????Yo


u obviously think its quite correct for UAF to use violence to stop free speech.
The only thing that stopped free speech yesterday was other free speech.
If he's on youtube at a UAF event you be able to hear what he was preaching-probably wasn't violence.
So you accept that freedom of speech was prevented in Brighton.

You sound almost proud of that fact, and that the UAF supports one of Lee Rigby's killers.
[quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hey mongo[/bold] wrote: Question for UAF supporters and members....this a genuine question which i dont know the answer to...you must admit that there is a small number of muslim/islam preachers of hate who openly do demonstrations who stand for things which is totally against any normal persons beliefs sharia law death to the uk etc...so in the interests of fairness you should also turn up at these demonstrations and do tour thing as well? You cant say its unacceptable for meatheads to march around with england flags yet do nothing about preachers of hate who have fascist ideas for themselves?? Maybe this happens i would like to know...[/p][/quote]True the UAF had one of Lee Rigby's murderers Michael Adebolojo as a speaker,i did not believe that at first but there is a video of him on youtube speaking at a UAF demonstration at Harrow central mosque in 2009.[/p][/quote]Were they supposed to know what he was later going to do?[/p][/quote]From your comments on here that's exactly what I would expect you to say,my answer will be why let people preach hatred at UAF demonstrations????Yo u obviously think its quite correct for UAF to use violence to stop free speech.[/p][/quote]The only thing that stopped free speech yesterday was other free speech. If he's on youtube at a UAF event you be able to hear what he was preaching-probably wasn't violence.[/p][/quote]So you accept that freedom of speech was prevented in Brighton. You sound almost proud of that fact, and that the UAF supports one of Lee Rigby's killers. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: 0

11:28am Tue 29 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Well done Karen, that's a good English tradition. Films at home, home made cakes. I'm going to fix some broken guttering, service my motorbike and take the wife for a Sunday lunch and the cinema.
Good English friendly, happy traditions. No anger, no bad words no screaming in the streets...except when I drop a spanner on my foot.
We should reclaim England with friendly traditions. I travel all over the world for work and am always told that the English are known for their good manners.
Let's make sure it stays that way.
Reclaim it from what, exactly?

Surely you don't mean the unpleasant elements that arose in the past 50 years? The fact that an Englishman no longer feels at home in his own country, caused partly by other Englishmen who have grown up hating the place?

St George's Day has always been celebrated in a restrained, dignified way across the land. It is only recently that some English people have decided that SGD and our flag upsets our oversees guests, even though I am unaware of any of those immigrants stating that to be the case. Indeed, if immigrants didn't feel welcome here, they wouldn't be staying and inviting everyone from their home village to come and join them.

No, the actions of some English people has led to a situation we saw on Sunday, in a city which used to epitomise all that is good about this country. These people hate order, authority, the system etc. They hate people loving their own country, and claim to be 'world citizens' (despite many of them being totally ignorant of life outside the south-east) rather than subjects of Her Majesty.

We should celebrate this country at every opportunity in whatever manner we choose without the fear of having some thug and his mates ( they are too chicken to appear on their own) tapping us on the shoulder.

Shame on them, shame on Brighton for allowing the counter-march, and shame on anyone who objects to English people celebration being English..........I take it those thugs won't be threatening anyone wearing green on March 17th ?
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Well done Karen, that's a good English tradition. Films at home, home made cakes. I'm going to fix some broken guttering, service my motorbike and take the wife for a Sunday lunch and the cinema. Good English friendly, happy traditions. No anger, no bad words no screaming in the streets...except when I drop a spanner on my foot. We should reclaim England with friendly traditions. I travel all over the world for work and am always told that the English are known for their good manners. Let's make sure it stays that way.[/p][/quote]Reclaim it from what, exactly? Surely you don't mean the unpleasant elements that arose in the past 50 years? The fact that an Englishman no longer feels at home in his own country, caused partly by other Englishmen who have grown up hating the place? St George's Day has always been celebrated in a restrained, dignified way across the land. It is only recently that some English people have decided that SGD and our flag upsets our oversees guests, even though I am unaware of any of those immigrants stating that to be the case. Indeed, if immigrants didn't feel welcome here, they wouldn't be staying and inviting everyone from their home village to come and join them. No, the actions of some English people has led to a situation we saw on Sunday, in a city which used to epitomise all that is good about this country. These people hate order, authority, the system etc. They hate people loving their own country, and claim to be 'world citizens' (despite many of them being totally ignorant of life outside the south-east) rather than subjects of Her Majesty. We should celebrate this country at every opportunity in whatever manner we choose without the fear of having some thug and his mates ( they are too chicken to appear on their own) tapping us on the shoulder. Shame on them, shame on Brighton for allowing the counter-march, and shame on anyone who objects to English people celebration being English..........I take it those thugs won't be threatening anyone wearing green on March 17th ? ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: 0

12:31pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Camp Nigel says...

Shall we all have a nice cup of tea?
Shall we all have a nice cup of tea? Camp Nigel
  • Score: 2

12:52pm Tue 29 Apr 14

dingdong2 says...

After watching events unfold it was quite clear that it was the anti fascists causing most of the violence.

Last year anti-fascists blinded a nurse by throwing objects randomly - this year they kick over a policewoman and throw things at her.

I'd rather have march for england expressing their freedom of speech once a year in a short march than gangs of anti fascists with no idea what they believe in just causing random violence and attacking members of the emergency services.
After watching events unfold it was quite clear that it was the anti fascists causing most of the violence. Last year anti-fascists blinded a nurse by throwing objects randomly - this year they kick over a policewoman and throw things at her. I'd rather have march for england expressing their freedom of speech once a year in a short march than gangs of anti fascists with no idea what they believe in just causing random violence and attacking members of the emergency services. dingdong2
  • Score: 2

3:00pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Fairfax Aches says...

If I went for a march and anyone tried to protest against me, I know exactly what I'd do.

I should say Oi! Protesters! Naaaooooo!
If I went for a march and anyone tried to protest against me, I know exactly what I'd do. I should say Oi! Protesters! Naaaooooo! Fairfax Aches
  • Score: 1

4:53pm Tue 29 Apr 14

KarenT says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Well done Karen, that's a good English tradition. Films at home, home made cakes. I'm going to fix some broken guttering, service my motorbike and take the wife for a Sunday lunch and the cinema.
Good English friendly, happy traditions. No anger, no bad words no screaming in the streets...except when I drop a spanner on my foot.
We should reclaim England with friendly traditions. I travel all over the world for work and am always told that the English are known for their good manners.
Let's make sure it stays that way.
Reclaim it from what, exactly?

Surely you don't mean the unpleasant elements that arose in the past 50 years? The fact that an Englishman no longer feels at home in his own country, caused partly by other Englishmen who have grown up hating the place?

St George's Day has always been celebrated in a restrained, dignified way across the land. It is only recently that some English people have decided that SGD and our flag upsets our oversees guests, even though I am unaware of any of those immigrants stating that to be the case. Indeed, if immigrants didn't feel welcome here, they wouldn't be staying and inviting everyone from their home village to come and join them.

No, the actions of some English people has led to a situation we saw on Sunday, in a city which used to epitomise all that is good about this country. These people hate order, authority, the system etc. They hate people loving their own country, and claim to be 'world citizens' (despite many of them being totally ignorant of life outside the south-east) rather than subjects of Her Majesty.

We should celebrate this country at every opportunity in whatever manner we choose without the fear of having some thug and his mates ( they are too chicken to appear on their own) tapping us on the shoulder.

Shame on them, shame on Brighton for allowing the counter-march, and shame on anyone who objects to English people celebration being English..........I take it those thugs won't be threatening anyone wearing green on March 17th ?
Well actually I kind of agree with you. There is nothing wrong with vociferously celebrating St George's Day or being proud to be British or displaying the St George's flag or getting fed up with excessive immigration and, more than anything else, feeling as though if you do any of those things (or protest to the latter), you MUST be a racist. In my experience you have all sorts of people from all backgrounds supporting British (or, dare I say it, "English") pride. Some are racist thugs, some are kind and educated people that wouldn't hurt a fly, and then everything else in between. However with anti's, it ALWAYS seems the same. Small-mindedness and juvenile behaviour masquerading as liberalism. Most of them are stupid and have very little life real life experience (students, hippies and dirty-looking 'trustafarians' with pink dreads and facial piercings, i.e..... "anarchists"... Oh so "brave and free-thinking"!). It's just a silly bun-fight, with people chanting, and NO ONE EVER gets to speak about their agenda in a public place, because the police are afraid that that may lead to further mayhem and violence. And the ridiculous thing is, if these anti's REALLY believed that there was any real threat of the "far right" as they see it growing in numbers because of these marches, the sensible thing would be to stay away, not call attention to it, not get it in the papers! DUH! The idiot anti's play right into the MFE folks hands every time - just shows how stupid they are. Especially when you think that there's is usually only about 30-50 MFE people and hundreds of anti's! Like moths to a flame...
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Well done Karen, that's a good English tradition. Films at home, home made cakes. I'm going to fix some broken guttering, service my motorbike and take the wife for a Sunday lunch and the cinema. Good English friendly, happy traditions. No anger, no bad words no screaming in the streets...except when I drop a spanner on my foot. We should reclaim England with friendly traditions. I travel all over the world for work and am always told that the English are known for their good manners. Let's make sure it stays that way.[/p][/quote]Reclaim it from what, exactly? Surely you don't mean the unpleasant elements that arose in the past 50 years? The fact that an Englishman no longer feels at home in his own country, caused partly by other Englishmen who have grown up hating the place? St George's Day has always been celebrated in a restrained, dignified way across the land. It is only recently that some English people have decided that SGD and our flag upsets our oversees guests, even though I am unaware of any of those immigrants stating that to be the case. Indeed, if immigrants didn't feel welcome here, they wouldn't be staying and inviting everyone from their home village to come and join them. No, the actions of some English people has led to a situation we saw on Sunday, in a city which used to epitomise all that is good about this country. These people hate order, authority, the system etc. They hate people loving their own country, and claim to be 'world citizens' (despite many of them being totally ignorant of life outside the south-east) rather than subjects of Her Majesty. We should celebrate this country at every opportunity in whatever manner we choose without the fear of having some thug and his mates ( they are too chicken to appear on their own) tapping us on the shoulder. Shame on them, shame on Brighton for allowing the counter-march, and shame on anyone who objects to English people celebration being English..........I take it those thugs won't be threatening anyone wearing green on March 17th ?[/p][/quote]Well actually I kind of agree with you. There is nothing wrong with vociferously celebrating St George's Day or being proud to be British or displaying the St George's flag or getting fed up with excessive immigration and, more than anything else, feeling as though if you do any of those things (or protest to the latter), you MUST be a racist. In my experience you have all sorts of people from all backgrounds supporting British (or, dare I say it, "English") pride. Some are racist thugs, some are kind and educated people that wouldn't hurt a fly, and then everything else in between. However with anti's, it ALWAYS seems the same. Small-mindedness and juvenile behaviour masquerading as liberalism. Most of them are stupid and have very little life real life experience (students, hippies and dirty-looking 'trustafarians' with pink dreads and facial piercings, i.e..... "anarchists"... Oh so "brave and free-thinking"!). It's just a silly bun-fight, with people chanting, and NO ONE EVER gets to speak about their agenda in a public place, because the police are afraid that that may lead to further mayhem and violence. And the ridiculous thing is, if these anti's REALLY believed that there was any real threat of the "far right" as they see it growing in numbers because of these marches, the sensible thing would be to stay away, not call attention to it, not get it in the papers! DUH! The idiot anti's play right into the MFE folks hands every time - just shows how stupid they are. Especially when you think that there's is usually only about 30-50 MFE people and hundreds of anti's! Like moths to a flame... KarenT
  • Score: 2

10:47am Wed 30 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

KarenT wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Well done Karen, that's a good English tradition. Films at home, home made cakes. I'm going to fix some broken guttering, service my motorbike and take the wife for a Sunday lunch and the cinema.
Good English friendly, happy traditions. No anger, no bad words no screaming in the streets...except when I drop a spanner on my foot.
We should reclaim England with friendly traditions. I travel all over the world for work and am always told that the English are known for their good manners.
Let's make sure it stays that way.
Reclaim it from what, exactly?

Surely you don't mean the unpleasant elements that arose in the past 50 years? The fact that an Englishman no longer feels at home in his own country, caused partly by other Englishmen who have grown up hating the place?

St George's Day has always been celebrated in a restrained, dignified way across the land. It is only recently that some English people have decided that SGD and our flag upsets our oversees guests, even though I am unaware of any of those immigrants stating that to be the case. Indeed, if immigrants didn't feel welcome here, they wouldn't be staying and inviting everyone from their home village to come and join them.

No, the actions of some English people has led to a situation we saw on Sunday, in a city which used to epitomise all that is good about this country. These people hate order, authority, the system etc. They hate people loving their own country, and claim to be 'world citizens' (despite many of them being totally ignorant of life outside the south-east) rather than subjects of Her Majesty.

We should celebrate this country at every opportunity in whatever manner we choose without the fear of having some thug and his mates ( they are too chicken to appear on their own) tapping us on the shoulder.

Shame on them, shame on Brighton for allowing the counter-march, and shame on anyone who objects to English people celebration being English..........I take it those thugs won't be threatening anyone wearing green on March 17th ?
Well actually I kind of agree with you. There is nothing wrong with vociferously celebrating St George's Day or being proud to be British or displaying the St George's flag or getting fed up with excessive immigration and, more than anything else, feeling as though if you do any of those things (or protest to the latter), you MUST be a racist. In my experience you have all sorts of people from all backgrounds supporting British (or, dare I say it, "English") pride. Some are racist thugs, some are kind and educated people that wouldn't hurt a fly, and then everything else in between. However with anti's, it ALWAYS seems the same. Small-mindedness and juvenile behaviour masquerading as liberalism. Most of them are stupid and have very little life real life experience (students, hippies and dirty-looking 'trustafarians' with pink dreads and facial piercings, i.e..... "anarchists"... Oh so "brave and free-thinking"!). It's just a silly bun-fight, with people chanting, and NO ONE EVER gets to speak about their agenda in a public place, because the police are afraid that that may lead to further mayhem and violence. And the ridiculous thing is, if these anti's REALLY believed that there was any real threat of the "far right" as they see it growing in numbers because of these marches, the sensible thing would be to stay away, not call attention to it, not get it in the papers! DUH! The idiot anti's play right into the MFE folks hands every time - just shows how stupid they are. Especially when you think that there's is usually only about 30-50 MFE people and hundreds of anti's! Like moths to a flame...
Sound words.

Even you admit that referring to 'English pride' gives cause for concern. It doesn't and it shouldn't. The UAF etc want us all to be ashamed for loving our country and telling others about that love. Add to that their violence towards anyone who expresses that pride, and we get a disgraceful bunch of thugs threatening decent people.
[quote][p][bold]KarenT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Well done Karen, that's a good English tradition. Films at home, home made cakes. I'm going to fix some broken guttering, service my motorbike and take the wife for a Sunday lunch and the cinema. Good English friendly, happy traditions. No anger, no bad words no screaming in the streets...except when I drop a spanner on my foot. We should reclaim England with friendly traditions. I travel all over the world for work and am always told that the English are known for their good manners. Let's make sure it stays that way.[/p][/quote]Reclaim it from what, exactly? Surely you don't mean the unpleasant elements that arose in the past 50 years? The fact that an Englishman no longer feels at home in his own country, caused partly by other Englishmen who have grown up hating the place? St George's Day has always been celebrated in a restrained, dignified way across the land. It is only recently that some English people have decided that SGD and our flag upsets our oversees guests, even though I am unaware of any of those immigrants stating that to be the case. Indeed, if immigrants didn't feel welcome here, they wouldn't be staying and inviting everyone from their home village to come and join them. No, the actions of some English people has led to a situation we saw on Sunday, in a city which used to epitomise all that is good about this country. These people hate order, authority, the system etc. They hate people loving their own country, and claim to be 'world citizens' (despite many of them being totally ignorant of life outside the south-east) rather than subjects of Her Majesty. We should celebrate this country at every opportunity in whatever manner we choose without the fear of having some thug and his mates ( they are too chicken to appear on their own) tapping us on the shoulder. Shame on them, shame on Brighton for allowing the counter-march, and shame on anyone who objects to English people celebration being English..........I take it those thugs won't be threatening anyone wearing green on March 17th ?[/p][/quote]Well actually I kind of agree with you. There is nothing wrong with vociferously celebrating St George's Day or being proud to be British or displaying the St George's flag or getting fed up with excessive immigration and, more than anything else, feeling as though if you do any of those things (or protest to the latter), you MUST be a racist. In my experience you have all sorts of people from all backgrounds supporting British (or, dare I say it, "English") pride. Some are racist thugs, some are kind and educated people that wouldn't hurt a fly, and then everything else in between. However with anti's, it ALWAYS seems the same. Small-mindedness and juvenile behaviour masquerading as liberalism. Most of them are stupid and have very little life real life experience (students, hippies and dirty-looking 'trustafarians' with pink dreads and facial piercings, i.e..... "anarchists"... Oh so "brave and free-thinking"!). It's just a silly bun-fight, with people chanting, and NO ONE EVER gets to speak about their agenda in a public place, because the police are afraid that that may lead to further mayhem and violence. And the ridiculous thing is, if these anti's REALLY believed that there was any real threat of the "far right" as they see it growing in numbers because of these marches, the sensible thing would be to stay away, not call attention to it, not get it in the papers! DUH! The idiot anti's play right into the MFE folks hands every time - just shows how stupid they are. Especially when you think that there's is usually only about 30-50 MFE people and hundreds of anti's! Like moths to a flame...[/p][/quote]Sound words. Even you admit that referring to 'English pride' gives cause for concern. It doesn't and it shouldn't. The UAF etc want us all to be ashamed for loving our country and telling others about that love. Add to that their violence towards anyone who expresses that pride, and we get a disgraceful bunch of thugs threatening decent people. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: 2

1:55pm Wed 30 Apr 14

Charlie113 says...

Least there is decent people that will still fight for are country!! Respect
Least there is decent people that will still fight for are country!! Respect Charlie113
  • Score: 1

6:28pm Wed 30 Apr 14

KarenT says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
KarenT wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Well done Karen, that's a good English tradition. Films at home, home made cakes. I'm going to fix some broken guttering, service my motorbike and take the wife for a Sunday lunch and the cinema.
Good English friendly, happy traditions. No anger, no bad words no screaming in the streets...except when I drop a spanner on my foot.
We should reclaim England with friendly traditions. I travel all over the world for work and am always told that the English are known for their good manners.
Let's make sure it stays that way.
Reclaim it from what, exactly?

Surely you don't mean the unpleasant elements that arose in the past 50 years? The fact that an Englishman no longer feels at home in his own country, caused partly by other Englishmen who have grown up hating the place?

St George's Day has always been celebrated in a restrained, dignified way across the land. It is only recently that some English people have decided that SGD and our flag upsets our oversees guests, even though I am unaware of any of those immigrants stating that to be the case. Indeed, if immigrants didn't feel welcome here, they wouldn't be staying and inviting everyone from their home village to come and join them.

No, the actions of some English people has led to a situation we saw on Sunday, in a city which used to epitomise all that is good about this country. These people hate order, authority, the system etc. They hate people loving their own country, and claim to be 'world citizens' (despite many of them being totally ignorant of life outside the south-east) rather than subjects of Her Majesty.

We should celebrate this country at every opportunity in whatever manner we choose without the fear of having some thug and his mates ( they are too chicken to appear on their own) tapping us on the shoulder.

Shame on them, shame on Brighton for allowing the counter-march, and shame on anyone who objects to English people celebration being English..........I take it those thugs won't be threatening anyone wearing green on March 17th ?
Well actually I kind of agree with you. There is nothing wrong with vociferously celebrating St George's Day or being proud to be British or displaying the St George's flag or getting fed up with excessive immigration and, more than anything else, feeling as though if you do any of those things (or protest to the latter), you MUST be a racist. In my experience you have all sorts of people from all backgrounds supporting British (or, dare I say it, "English") pride. Some are racist thugs, some are kind and educated people that wouldn't hurt a fly, and then everything else in between. However with anti's, it ALWAYS seems the same. Small-mindedness and juvenile behaviour masquerading as liberalism. Most of them are stupid and have very little life real life experience (students, hippies and dirty-looking 'trustafarians' with pink dreads and facial piercings, i.e..... "anarchists"... Oh so "brave and free-thinking"!). It's just a silly bun-fight, with people chanting, and NO ONE EVER gets to speak about their agenda in a public place, because the police are afraid that that may lead to further mayhem and violence. And the ridiculous thing is, if these anti's REALLY believed that there was any real threat of the "far right" as they see it growing in numbers because of these marches, the sensible thing would be to stay away, not call attention to it, not get it in the papers! DUH! The idiot anti's play right into the MFE folks hands every time - just shows how stupid they are. Especially when you think that there's is usually only about 30-50 MFE people and hundreds of anti's! Like moths to a flame...
Sound words.

Even you admit that referring to 'English pride' gives cause for concern. It doesn't and it shouldn't. The UAF etc want us all to be ashamed for loving our country and telling others about that love. Add to that their violence towards anyone who expresses that pride, and we get a disgraceful bunch of thugs threatening decent people.
I'm Irish, and although I'm not particularly patriotic about it (nor religious, Catholic OR Protestant), and there's plenty of opportunities to"make a noise" about being Irish, to be vociferously patriotic, to celebrate St Pat's Day (which has virtually become an international holiday). There is a huge Irish identity, and no one bats an eyelash. WHY can't 'the English" do the same???!!! It's as though, if you show any pride about being 'English' you must be a racist who hates anyone that doesn't have blue eyes and freckles!!!
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KarenT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Well done Karen, that's a good English tradition. Films at home, home made cakes. I'm going to fix some broken guttering, service my motorbike and take the wife for a Sunday lunch and the cinema. Good English friendly, happy traditions. No anger, no bad words no screaming in the streets...except when I drop a spanner on my foot. We should reclaim England with friendly traditions. I travel all over the world for work and am always told that the English are known for their good manners. Let's make sure it stays that way.[/p][/quote]Reclaim it from what, exactly? Surely you don't mean the unpleasant elements that arose in the past 50 years? The fact that an Englishman no longer feels at home in his own country, caused partly by other Englishmen who have grown up hating the place? St George's Day has always been celebrated in a restrained, dignified way across the land. It is only recently that some English people have decided that SGD and our flag upsets our oversees guests, even though I am unaware of any of those immigrants stating that to be the case. Indeed, if immigrants didn't feel welcome here, they wouldn't be staying and inviting everyone from their home village to come and join them. No, the actions of some English people has led to a situation we saw on Sunday, in a city which used to epitomise all that is good about this country. These people hate order, authority, the system etc. They hate people loving their own country, and claim to be 'world citizens' (despite many of them being totally ignorant of life outside the south-east) rather than subjects of Her Majesty. We should celebrate this country at every opportunity in whatever manner we choose without the fear of having some thug and his mates ( they are too chicken to appear on their own) tapping us on the shoulder. Shame on them, shame on Brighton for allowing the counter-march, and shame on anyone who objects to English people celebration being English..........I take it those thugs won't be threatening anyone wearing green on March 17th ?[/p][/quote]Well actually I kind of agree with you. There is nothing wrong with vociferously celebrating St George's Day or being proud to be British or displaying the St George's flag or getting fed up with excessive immigration and, more than anything else, feeling as though if you do any of those things (or protest to the latter), you MUST be a racist. In my experience you have all sorts of people from all backgrounds supporting British (or, dare I say it, "English") pride. Some are racist thugs, some are kind and educated people that wouldn't hurt a fly, and then everything else in between. However with anti's, it ALWAYS seems the same. Small-mindedness and juvenile behaviour masquerading as liberalism. Most of them are stupid and have very little life real life experience (students, hippies and dirty-looking 'trustafarians' with pink dreads and facial piercings, i.e..... "anarchists"... Oh so "brave and free-thinking"!). It's just a silly bun-fight, with people chanting, and NO ONE EVER gets to speak about their agenda in a public place, because the police are afraid that that may lead to further mayhem and violence. And the ridiculous thing is, if these anti's REALLY believed that there was any real threat of the "far right" as they see it growing in numbers because of these marches, the sensible thing would be to stay away, not call attention to it, not get it in the papers! DUH! The idiot anti's play right into the MFE folks hands every time - just shows how stupid they are. Especially when you think that there's is usually only about 30-50 MFE people and hundreds of anti's! Like moths to a flame...[/p][/quote]Sound words. Even you admit that referring to 'English pride' gives cause for concern. It doesn't and it shouldn't. The UAF etc want us all to be ashamed for loving our country and telling others about that love. Add to that their violence towards anyone who expresses that pride, and we get a disgraceful bunch of thugs threatening decent people.[/p][/quote]I'm Irish, and although I'm not particularly patriotic about it (nor religious, Catholic OR Protestant), and there's plenty of opportunities to"make a noise" about being Irish, to be vociferously patriotic, to celebrate St Pat's Day (which has virtually become an international holiday). There is a huge Irish identity, and no one bats an eyelash. WHY can't 'the English" do the same???!!! It's as though, if you show any pride about being 'English' you must be a racist who hates anyone that doesn't have blue eyes and freckles!!! KarenT
  • Score: 2

9:54pm Wed 30 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

KarenT wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
KarenT wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Well done Karen, that's a good English tradition. Films at home, home made cakes. I'm going to fix some broken guttering, service my motorbike and take the wife for a Sunday lunch and the cinema.
Good English friendly, happy traditions. No anger, no bad words no screaming in the streets...except when I drop a spanner on my foot.
We should reclaim England with friendly traditions. I travel all over the world for work and am always told that the English are known for their good manners.
Let's make sure it stays that way.
Reclaim it from what, exactly?

Surely you don't mean the unpleasant elements that arose in the past 50 years? The fact that an Englishman no longer feels at home in his own country, caused partly by other Englishmen who have grown up hating the place?

St George's Day has always been celebrated in a restrained, dignified way across the land. It is only recently that some English people have decided that SGD and our flag upsets our oversees guests, even though I am unaware of any of those immigrants stating that to be the case. Indeed, if immigrants didn't feel welcome here, they wouldn't be staying and inviting everyone from their home village to come and join them.

No, the actions of some English people has led to a situation we saw on Sunday, in a city which used to epitomise all that is good about this country. These people hate order, authority, the system etc. They hate people loving their own country, and claim to be 'world citizens' (despite many of them being totally ignorant of life outside the south-east) rather than subjects of Her Majesty.

We should celebrate this country at every opportunity in whatever manner we choose without the fear of having some thug and his mates ( they are too chicken to appear on their own) tapping us on the shoulder.

Shame on them, shame on Brighton for allowing the counter-march, and shame on anyone who objects to English people celebration being English..........I take it those thugs won't be threatening anyone wearing green on March 17th ?
Well actually I kind of agree with you. There is nothing wrong with vociferously celebrating St George's Day or being proud to be British or displaying the St George's flag or getting fed up with excessive immigration and, more than anything else, feeling as though if you do any of those things (or protest to the latter), you MUST be a racist. In my experience you have all sorts of people from all backgrounds supporting British (or, dare I say it, "English") pride. Some are racist thugs, some are kind and educated people that wouldn't hurt a fly, and then everything else in between. However with anti's, it ALWAYS seems the same. Small-mindedness and juvenile behaviour masquerading as liberalism. Most of them are stupid and have very little life real life experience (students, hippies and dirty-looking 'trustafarians' with pink dreads and facial piercings, i.e..... "anarchists"... Oh so "brave and free-thinking"!). It's just a silly bun-fight, with people chanting, and NO ONE EVER gets to speak about their agenda in a public place, because the police are afraid that that may lead to further mayhem and violence. And the ridiculous thing is, if these anti's REALLY believed that there was any real threat of the "far right" as they see it growing in numbers because of these marches, the sensible thing would be to stay away, not call attention to it, not get it in the papers! DUH! The idiot anti's play right into the MFE folks hands every time - just shows how stupid they are. Especially when you think that there's is usually only about 30-50 MFE people and hundreds of anti's! Like moths to a flame...
Sound words.

Even you admit that referring to 'English pride' gives cause for concern. It doesn't and it shouldn't. The UAF etc want us all to be ashamed for loving our country and telling others about that love. Add to that their violence towards anyone who expresses that pride, and we get a disgraceful bunch of thugs threatening decent people.
I'm Irish, and although I'm not particularly patriotic about it (nor religious, Catholic OR Protestant), and there's plenty of opportunities to"make a noise" about being Irish, to be vociferously patriotic, to celebrate St Pat's Day (which has virtually become an international holiday). There is a huge Irish identity, and no one bats an eyelash. WHY can't 'the English" do the same???!!! It's as though, if you show any pride about being 'English' you must be a racist who hates anyone that doesn't have blue eyes and freckles!!!
" WHY can't 'the English" do the same?"

Lots of us do ;-)
[quote][p][bold]KarenT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KarenT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Well done Karen, that's a good English tradition. Films at home, home made cakes. I'm going to fix some broken guttering, service my motorbike and take the wife for a Sunday lunch and the cinema. Good English friendly, happy traditions. No anger, no bad words no screaming in the streets...except when I drop a spanner on my foot. We should reclaim England with friendly traditions. I travel all over the world for work and am always told that the English are known for their good manners. Let's make sure it stays that way.[/p][/quote]Reclaim it from what, exactly? Surely you don't mean the unpleasant elements that arose in the past 50 years? The fact that an Englishman no longer feels at home in his own country, caused partly by other Englishmen who have grown up hating the place? St George's Day has always been celebrated in a restrained, dignified way across the land. It is only recently that some English people have decided that SGD and our flag upsets our oversees guests, even though I am unaware of any of those immigrants stating that to be the case. Indeed, if immigrants didn't feel welcome here, they wouldn't be staying and inviting everyone from their home village to come and join them. No, the actions of some English people has led to a situation we saw on Sunday, in a city which used to epitomise all that is good about this country. These people hate order, authority, the system etc. They hate people loving their own country, and claim to be 'world citizens' (despite many of them being totally ignorant of life outside the south-east) rather than subjects of Her Majesty. We should celebrate this country at every opportunity in whatever manner we choose without the fear of having some thug and his mates ( they are too chicken to appear on their own) tapping us on the shoulder. Shame on them, shame on Brighton for allowing the counter-march, and shame on anyone who objects to English people celebration being English..........I take it those thugs won't be threatening anyone wearing green on March 17th ?[/p][/quote]Well actually I kind of agree with you. There is nothing wrong with vociferously celebrating St George's Day or being proud to be British or displaying the St George's flag or getting fed up with excessive immigration and, more than anything else, feeling as though if you do any of those things (or protest to the latter), you MUST be a racist. In my experience you have all sorts of people from all backgrounds supporting British (or, dare I say it, "English") pride. Some are racist thugs, some are kind and educated people that wouldn't hurt a fly, and then everything else in between. However with anti's, it ALWAYS seems the same. Small-mindedness and juvenile behaviour masquerading as liberalism. Most of them are stupid and have very little life real life experience (students, hippies and dirty-looking 'trustafarians' with pink dreads and facial piercings, i.e..... "anarchists"... Oh so "brave and free-thinking"!). It's just a silly bun-fight, with people chanting, and NO ONE EVER gets to speak about their agenda in a public place, because the police are afraid that that may lead to further mayhem and violence. And the ridiculous thing is, if these anti's REALLY believed that there was any real threat of the "far right" as they see it growing in numbers because of these marches, the sensible thing would be to stay away, not call attention to it, not get it in the papers! DUH! The idiot anti's play right into the MFE folks hands every time - just shows how stupid they are. Especially when you think that there's is usually only about 30-50 MFE people and hundreds of anti's! Like moths to a flame...[/p][/quote]Sound words. Even you admit that referring to 'English pride' gives cause for concern. It doesn't and it shouldn't. The UAF etc want us all to be ashamed for loving our country and telling others about that love. Add to that their violence towards anyone who expresses that pride, and we get a disgraceful bunch of thugs threatening decent people.[/p][/quote]I'm Irish, and although I'm not particularly patriotic about it (nor religious, Catholic OR Protestant), and there's plenty of opportunities to"make a noise" about being Irish, to be vociferously patriotic, to celebrate St Pat's Day (which has virtually become an international holiday). There is a huge Irish identity, and no one bats an eyelash. WHY can't 'the English" do the same???!!! It's as though, if you show any pride about being 'English' you must be a racist who hates anyone that doesn't have blue eyes and freckles!!![/p][/quote]" WHY can't 'the English" do the same?" Lots of us do ;-) ZeeGee, ffs
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10:20pm Wed 30 Apr 14

KarenT says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
KarenT wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
KarenT wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Well done Karen, that's a good English tradition. Films at home, home made cakes. I'm going to fix some broken guttering, service my motorbike and take the wife for a Sunday lunch and the cinema.
Good English friendly, happy traditions. No anger, no bad words no screaming in the streets...except when I drop a spanner on my foot.
We should reclaim England with friendly traditions. I travel all over the world for work and am always told that the English are known for their good manners.
Let's make sure it stays that way.
Reclaim it from what, exactly?

Surely you don't mean the unpleasant elements that arose in the past 50 years? The fact that an Englishman no longer feels at home in his own country, caused partly by other Englishmen who have grown up hating the place?

St George's Day has always been celebrated in a restrained, dignified way across the land. It is only recently that some English people have decided that SGD and our flag upsets our oversees guests, even though I am unaware of any of those immigrants stating that to be the case. Indeed, if immigrants didn't feel welcome here, they wouldn't be staying and inviting everyone from their home village to come and join them.

No, the actions of some English people has led to a situation we saw on Sunday, in a city which used to epitomise all that is good about this country. These people hate order, authority, the system etc. They hate people loving their own country, and claim to be 'world citizens' (despite many of them being totally ignorant of life outside the south-east) rather than subjects of Her Majesty.

We should celebrate this country at every opportunity in whatever manner we choose without the fear of having some thug and his mates ( they are too chicken to appear on their own) tapping us on the shoulder.

Shame on them, shame on Brighton for allowing the counter-march, and shame on anyone who objects to English people celebration being English..........I take it those thugs won't be threatening anyone wearing green on March 17th ?
Well actually I kind of agree with you. There is nothing wrong with vociferously celebrating St George's Day or being proud to be British or displaying the St George's flag or getting fed up with excessive immigration and, more than anything else, feeling as though if you do any of those things (or protest to the latter), you MUST be a racist. In my experience you have all sorts of people from all backgrounds supporting British (or, dare I say it, "English") pride. Some are racist thugs, some are kind and educated people that wouldn't hurt a fly, and then everything else in between. However with anti's, it ALWAYS seems the same. Small-mindedness and juvenile behaviour masquerading as liberalism. Most of them are stupid and have very little life real life experience (students, hippies and dirty-looking 'trustafarians' with pink dreads and facial piercings, i.e..... "anarchists"... Oh so "brave and free-thinking"!). It's just a silly bun-fight, with people chanting, and NO ONE EVER gets to speak about their agenda in a public place, because the police are afraid that that may lead to further mayhem and violence. And the ridiculous thing is, if these anti's REALLY believed that there was any real threat of the "far right" as they see it growing in numbers because of these marches, the sensible thing would be to stay away, not call attention to it, not get it in the papers! DUH! The idiot anti's play right into the MFE folks hands every time - just shows how stupid they are. Especially when you think that there's is usually only about 30-50 MFE people and hundreds of anti's! Like moths to a flame...
Sound words.

Even you admit that referring to 'English pride' gives cause for concern. It doesn't and it shouldn't. The UAF etc want us all to be ashamed for loving our country and telling others about that love. Add to that their violence towards anyone who expresses that pride, and we get a disgraceful bunch of thugs threatening decent people.
I'm Irish, and although I'm not particularly patriotic about it (nor religious, Catholic OR Protestant), and there's plenty of opportunities to"make a noise" about being Irish, to be vociferously patriotic, to celebrate St Pat's Day (which has virtually become an international holiday). There is a huge Irish identity, and no one bats an eyelash. WHY can't 'the English" do the same???!!! It's as though, if you show any pride about being 'English' you must be a racist who hates anyone that doesn't have blue eyes and freckles!!!
" WHY can't 'the English" do the same?"

Lots of us do ;-)
Well go for it! People love rubbishing English pride - as though it's tantamount with racism and intolerance. Oh what a dreadful bore... Hopefully it will fall out of fashion eventually... Can you imagine if in America they were told that they couldn't 'pledge allegiance to the flag' or sing the 'Star Spangled Banner' anymore in case it offended immigrants??? FFS - during the mid-century immigration over there was at its height but no one worried about 'offending the immigrants'. My ancestors were immigrants in the US and they didn't give a stuff that they were moving to a new culture/religion/lif
estyle. And then there were the Irish jokes... ;-) People, grow some baLLs!
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KarenT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KarenT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Well done Karen, that's a good English tradition. Films at home, home made cakes. I'm going to fix some broken guttering, service my motorbike and take the wife for a Sunday lunch and the cinema. Good English friendly, happy traditions. No anger, no bad words no screaming in the streets...except when I drop a spanner on my foot. We should reclaim England with friendly traditions. I travel all over the world for work and am always told that the English are known for their good manners. Let's make sure it stays that way.[/p][/quote]Reclaim it from what, exactly? Surely you don't mean the unpleasant elements that arose in the past 50 years? The fact that an Englishman no longer feels at home in his own country, caused partly by other Englishmen who have grown up hating the place? St George's Day has always been celebrated in a restrained, dignified way across the land. It is only recently that some English people have decided that SGD and our flag upsets our oversees guests, even though I am unaware of any of those immigrants stating that to be the case. Indeed, if immigrants didn't feel welcome here, they wouldn't be staying and inviting everyone from their home village to come and join them. No, the actions of some English people has led to a situation we saw on Sunday, in a city which used to epitomise all that is good about this country. These people hate order, authority, the system etc. They hate people loving their own country, and claim to be 'world citizens' (despite many of them being totally ignorant of life outside the south-east) rather than subjects of Her Majesty. We should celebrate this country at every opportunity in whatever manner we choose without the fear of having some thug and his mates ( they are too chicken to appear on their own) tapping us on the shoulder. Shame on them, shame on Brighton for allowing the counter-march, and shame on anyone who objects to English people celebration being English..........I take it those thugs won't be threatening anyone wearing green on March 17th ?[/p][/quote]Well actually I kind of agree with you. There is nothing wrong with vociferously celebrating St George's Day or being proud to be British or displaying the St George's flag or getting fed up with excessive immigration and, more than anything else, feeling as though if you do any of those things (or protest to the latter), you MUST be a racist. In my experience you have all sorts of people from all backgrounds supporting British (or, dare I say it, "English") pride. Some are racist thugs, some are kind and educated people that wouldn't hurt a fly, and then everything else in between. However with anti's, it ALWAYS seems the same. Small-mindedness and juvenile behaviour masquerading as liberalism. Most of them are stupid and have very little life real life experience (students, hippies and dirty-looking 'trustafarians' with pink dreads and facial piercings, i.e..... "anarchists"... Oh so "brave and free-thinking"!). It's just a silly bun-fight, with people chanting, and NO ONE EVER gets to speak about their agenda in a public place, because the police are afraid that that may lead to further mayhem and violence. And the ridiculous thing is, if these anti's REALLY believed that there was any real threat of the "far right" as they see it growing in numbers because of these marches, the sensible thing would be to stay away, not call attention to it, not get it in the papers! DUH! The idiot anti's play right into the MFE folks hands every time - just shows how stupid they are. Especially when you think that there's is usually only about 30-50 MFE people and hundreds of anti's! Like moths to a flame...[/p][/quote]Sound words. Even you admit that referring to 'English pride' gives cause for concern. It doesn't and it shouldn't. The UAF etc want us all to be ashamed for loving our country and telling others about that love. Add to that their violence towards anyone who expresses that pride, and we get a disgraceful bunch of thugs threatening decent people.[/p][/quote]I'm Irish, and although I'm not particularly patriotic about it (nor religious, Catholic OR Protestant), and there's plenty of opportunities to"make a noise" about being Irish, to be vociferously patriotic, to celebrate St Pat's Day (which has virtually become an international holiday). There is a huge Irish identity, and no one bats an eyelash. WHY can't 'the English" do the same???!!! It's as though, if you show any pride about being 'English' you must be a racist who hates anyone that doesn't have blue eyes and freckles!!![/p][/quote]" WHY can't 'the English" do the same?" Lots of us do ;-)[/p][/quote]Well go for it! People love rubbishing English pride - as though it's tantamount with racism and intolerance. Oh what a dreadful bore... Hopefully it will fall out of fashion eventually... Can you imagine if in America they were told that they couldn't 'pledge allegiance to the flag' or sing the 'Star Spangled Banner' anymore in case it offended immigrants??? FFS - during the mid-century immigration over there was at its height but no one worried about 'offending the immigrants'. My ancestors were immigrants in the US and they didn't give a stuff that they were moving to a new culture/religion/lif estyle. And then there were the Irish jokes... ;-) People, grow some baLLs! KarenT
  • Score: 1

10:39am Thu 1 May 14

daveinprague says...

Anybody who believes that MFE is a political group, or celebrating 'St George', is quite frankly, a moron.
Anybody who believes that MFE is a political group, or celebrating 'St George', is quite frankly, a moron. daveinprague
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11:20am Thu 1 May 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

daveinprague wrote:
Anybody who believes that MFE is a political group, or celebrating 'St George', is quite frankly, a moron.
"Anybody who believes that MFE is a political group, or celebrating 'St George', is quite frankly, a moron." says moron who wasn't in the march.
[quote][p][bold]daveinprague[/bold] wrote: Anybody who believes that MFE is a political group, or celebrating 'St George', is quite frankly, a moron.[/p][/quote]"Anybody who believes that MFE is a political group, or celebrating 'St George', is quite frankly, a moron." says moron who wasn't in the march. ZeeGee, ffs
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1:46am Wed 14 May 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

lol
lol ZeeGee, ffs
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1:46am Wed 14 May 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

lol
lol ZeeGee, ffs
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