Two months of misery

Two months of misery

Two months of misery

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TRAFFIC will be disrupted on Brighton and Hove's seafront for eight weeks after a section of the road collapsed into a pub.

Structural engineers have been assessing the A259 Kings Road after a section crumbled into the Fortune of War pub in the Kings Road Arches below on Friday.

A contraflow system has been in place around the busy road between Middle Street and West Street since Friday in an effort to keep traffic moving.

Officials say the disruption at the busy road and promenade below – the city’s biggest tourist attraction – will last for May and most of June.

The city council’s executive director Geoff Raw said: “Based on current information we estimate it may take up to eight weeks before the road and promenade can be fully reopened, but we will do our best to reduce that if possible.”

It means repairs will cause disruptions to traffic during the Brighton Festival and the Fringe, which both start on Saturday, as well as other events includingThe Great Escape new music festival.

The council’s Labour group leader Warren Morgan said it was a “huge worry”.

Coun Morgan added: “It is very bad news that the seafront is going to be disrupted during the Festival and early summer season.

“It’s bad news for tourism, jobs and the economy.

“A large chunk of the seafront needs massive investment, tens of millions of pounds of repairs, but the council has decided to spend money on Lewes Road, Seven Dials, Valley Gardens and 20mph limits instead.”

Adam Chinnery, of Brighton Seafront Traders Association, said he hoped the repair works would not deter tourists and called for the council to consider imposing a weight restriction on the road in future.

Mr Chinnery, owner of Brighton Watersports, in the Kings Road Arches, said: “I can’t see it having too bad an effect on the tourist side.

“We hope to be able to carry on regardless. It’s unfortunate that it’s going to take eight weeks, but it’s not the council’s fault.

“My office is right under the road and you can really feel it when lorries go over the top.

“When the road was built it wasn’t designed for anything like that.

“We have been talking to the council and it would be good if a weight restriction could be brought in.”

Multi-million-pound structural work to strengthen parts of the crumbling 120-year-old Kings Road Arches between Alfrescos restaurant and the West Pier began in November 2012 in preparation for the i360 development.

The current section which has collapsed is slightly further east, opposite the bottom of West Street.

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9:39am Wed 30 Apr 14

juleshove says...

Seven dials roundabout was perfectly fine for over 50 years yet the greens choose to waste over 250k changing it slightly. What a waste of money. The greens lack even average common sense. They have also ruined the drive in Hove with ridiculous parking right on the edge if moving traffic.

The greens should never be allowed to run and ruin our lovely city again. Ms Lucas is all about self promotion. Awful woman.
Seven dials roundabout was perfectly fine for over 50 years yet the greens choose to waste over 250k changing it slightly. What a waste of money. The greens lack even average common sense. They have also ruined the drive in Hove with ridiculous parking right on the edge if moving traffic. The greens should never be allowed to run and ruin our lovely city again. Ms Lucas is all about self promotion. Awful woman. juleshove
  • Score: 33

9:40am Wed 30 Apr 14

Alison Smith says...

If the road needs repairing it has to be done. The sooner the better. Festival or not!
If the road needs repairing it has to be done. The sooner the better. Festival or not! Alison Smith
  • Score: 33

9:41am Wed 30 Apr 14

peterthomas says...

Wow so the traffic won't be free flowing as it is everywhere else around the city???!!! Driving in Brighton has become a total nightmare thanks to the brain dead cyclist pampering light weights in the Town Hall!
Wow so the traffic won't be free flowing as it is everywhere else around the city???!!! Driving in Brighton has become a total nightmare thanks to the brain dead cyclist pampering light weights in the Town Hall! peterthomas
  • Score: 37

9:47am Wed 30 Apr 14

mimseycal says...

It appears that no one in the past few administrations of this city have been taught the old 'A stitch in time saves nine'.
It appears that no one in the past few administrations of this city have been taught the old 'A stitch in time saves nine'. mimseycal
  • Score: 39

9:52am Wed 30 Apr 14

kopite_rob says...

Well enough talking about it, get on and fix it.
Japan had a Tsunami which destroyed it's infrastructure, yet was up and running in no time.
Why 8 weeks to fill an 8 foot hole?
If the roads completely closed turn it into a 24 hour possession and get it done in half the time.It's light for between 16 and 17 hours a day in May.

And while it's being done how about removing traffic restrictions in West Street, North Street & Western Road.

Though its a bit disingenuous of Coun Morgan to compare expenditure on other projects and imply the money could be spent on the seafront infrastructure.
As an experienced Councillor he should know how funding is appropriated or he has no business being a Councillor.
Also he should know this isn't an issue that has occured overnight or over a coupke of years.
Looking at the state of the infrastructure this is something thats been shirked for over a decade. Instead of keeping on top of it each council in turn has chosen to hope it goes away and us as tax payers are now left with a bill that will probably top £20 million when it's back as fit for purpose infrastructure.
Perhaps the cheapest and quickest option would be to stop traffic using it and grass it over.
Well enough talking about it, get on and fix it. Japan had a Tsunami which destroyed it's infrastructure, yet was up and running in no time. Why 8 weeks to fill an 8 foot hole? If the roads completely closed turn it into a 24 hour possession and get it done in half the time.It's light for between 16 and 17 hours a day in May. And while it's being done how about removing traffic restrictions in West Street, North Street & Western Road. Though its a bit disingenuous of Coun Morgan to compare expenditure on other projects and imply the money could be spent on the seafront infrastructure. As an experienced Councillor he should know how funding is appropriated or he has no business being a Councillor. Also he should know this isn't an issue that has occured overnight or over a coupke of years. Looking at the state of the infrastructure this is something thats been shirked for over a decade. Instead of keeping on top of it each council in turn has chosen to hope it goes away and us as tax payers are now left with a bill that will probably top £20 million when it's back as fit for purpose infrastructure. Perhaps the cheapest and quickest option would be to stop traffic using it and grass it over. kopite_rob
  • Score: 27

10:06am Wed 30 Apr 14

Mel Shock says...

Every council for the last umpteen years is at fault here, had they looked ahead and assessed the cost they could have implemented a staged repair plan of works, but no they ALL appeared to neglect this and here we are now with a promenade in a very bad state of disrepair
Every council for the last umpteen years is at fault here, had they looked ahead and assessed the cost they could have implemented a staged repair plan of works, but no they ALL appeared to neglect this and here we are now with a promenade in a very bad state of disrepair Mel Shock
  • Score: 27

10:10am Wed 30 Apr 14

Joshiman says...

“A large chunk of the seafront needs massive investment, tens of millions of pounds of repairs, but the council has decided to spend money on Lewes Road, Seven Dials, Valley Gardens and 20mph limits ".new and more traffic lights/cycle lanes/Led street lights and yet it is alleged that they have known about this problem for a few years.priorities?
“A large chunk of the seafront needs massive investment, tens of millions of pounds of repairs, but the council has decided to spend money on Lewes Road, Seven Dials, Valley Gardens and 20mph limits ".new and more traffic lights/cycle lanes/Led street lights and yet it is alleged that they have known about this problem for a few years.priorities? Joshiman
  • Score: 28

10:36am Wed 30 Apr 14

getThisCoalitionOut says...

Is that a large turd in the photo?!
Is that a large turd in the photo?! getThisCoalitionOut
  • Score: -7

10:37am Wed 30 Apr 14

brighton bluenose says...

What a buffoon Warren Morgan is - rather than scoring party political points perhaps he wants to explain exactly what Labour did to shore up this road during their years in power?!
Morgan also fails to mention that it is the Greens who are spending several million pounds renovating the seafront arches between Alfresco restaurant and the Metropole Hotel - strange that isn't it?!!
What a buffoon Warren Morgan is - rather than scoring party political points perhaps he wants to explain exactly what Labour did to shore up this road during their years in power?! Morgan also fails to mention that it is the Greens who are spending several million pounds renovating the seafront arches between Alfresco restaurant and the Metropole Hotel - strange that isn't it?!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -12

10:39am Wed 30 Apr 14

brighton bluenose says...

PS Morgan KNOWS that monies for Valley Gardens, Seven Dials etc is from totally different funding sources rather than our council tax but he just can't help spreading mis-information and half-truths!
PS Morgan KNOWS that monies for Valley Gardens, Seven Dials etc is from totally different funding sources rather than our council tax but he just can't help spreading mis-information and half-truths! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -13

10:40am Wed 30 Apr 14

mimseycal says...

I would like to see the reports that have been generated about the seafront and its state of repair over the years. Have the relevant officers in our council departments highlighted the issue of the seafront over the years?
I would like to see the reports that have been generated about the seafront and its state of repair over the years. Have the relevant officers in our council departments highlighted the issue of the seafront over the years? mimseycal
  • Score: 13

12:10pm Wed 30 Apr 14

Joshiman says...

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City in decline until the next election when hopefully any incoming political party apart from the Greens will sort out this mess.
https://www.flickr.c om/photos/seadipper/ sets/365126/ City in decline until the next election when hopefully any incoming political party apart from the Greens will sort out this mess. Joshiman
  • Score: 14

12:17pm Wed 30 Apr 14

deedee111 says...

What a joke 8 weeks of total disruption to our city with brighton fringe, music festival and 2 bank holidays coming up, all this is going to do is put people off coming into Brighton as they will spend most of the day stuck in traffic just to get to a car park, this causes havoc and anger amongst drivers, why cant brighton council ever get anything right!!!!!!!!!
What a joke 8 weeks of total disruption to our city with brighton fringe, music festival and 2 bank holidays coming up, all this is going to do is put people off coming into Brighton as they will spend most of the day stuck in traffic just to get to a car park, this causes havoc and anger amongst drivers, why cant brighton council ever get anything right!!!!!!!!! deedee111
  • Score: 17

12:20pm Wed 30 Apr 14

Mel Shock says...

Joshiman wrote:
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City in decline until the next election when hopefully any incoming political party apart from the Greens will sort out this mess.
Every other party has neglected this as well, not just the greens.....this level of disrepair does not happen in just a couple of years...
[quote][p][bold]Joshiman[/bold] wrote: https://www.flickr.c om/photos/seadipper/ sets/365126/ City in decline until the next election when hopefully any incoming political party apart from the Greens will sort out this mess.[/p][/quote]Every other party has neglected this as well, not just the greens.....this level of disrepair does not happen in just a couple of years... Mel Shock
  • Score: 7

12:34pm Wed 30 Apr 14

Gribbet says...

Joshiman wrote:
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City in decline until the next election when hopefully any incoming political party apart from the Greens will sort out this mess.
Or more realistically, if/when a different party takes over they'll just pick up where they left off last time and you won't be able to accuse them of 'wasting taxpayers money' because you won't be able to see anything that they're doing with it.
[quote][p][bold]Joshiman[/bold] wrote: https://www.flickr.c om/photos/seadipper/ sets/365126/ City in decline until the next election when hopefully any incoming political party apart from the Greens will sort out this mess.[/p][/quote]Or more realistically, if/when a different party takes over they'll just pick up where they left off last time and you won't be able to accuse them of 'wasting taxpayers money' because you won't be able to see anything that they're doing with it. Gribbet
  • Score: -2

12:43pm Wed 30 Apr 14

brighton bluenose says...

mimseycal wrote:
I would like to see the reports that have been generated about the seafront and its state of repair over the years. Have the relevant officers in our council departments highlighted the issue of the seafront over the years?
Reading yesterdays Argus report headed 'No end to seafront chaos' it states that a council report said that sections of the arches had become 'structurally defective' then going on to mention the current situation at the Fortune of War and intimating that the two were a combined issue.
It is only on further reading that we see that the report and specifically the 'structurally defective' phrasing refers to the arches between Alfresco restaurant and the West Pier which the Green-led council is spending several million quid on renovating and regenerating this area! One can only speculate why the Argus would tell just part of the truth on this - it is either a deliberate lie or appalling reporting neither of which is acceptable!!
[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: I would like to see the reports that have been generated about the seafront and its state of repair over the years. Have the relevant officers in our council departments highlighted the issue of the seafront over the years?[/p][/quote]Reading yesterdays Argus report headed 'No end to seafront chaos' it states that a council report said that sections of the arches had become 'structurally defective' then going on to mention the current situation at the Fortune of War and intimating that the two were a combined issue. It is only on further reading that we see that the report and specifically the 'structurally defective' phrasing refers to the arches between Alfresco restaurant and the West Pier which the Green-led council is spending several million quid on renovating and regenerating this area! One can only speculate why the Argus would tell just part of the truth on this - it is either a deliberate lie or appalling reporting neither of which is acceptable!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -9

1:37pm Wed 30 Apr 14

mimseycal says...

@ brighton bluenose 12:43pm Wed 30 Apr 14

Quite frankly this has very little to do with the Argus level of elastic veracity, deliberate or otherwise, and more to do with the process of maintaining our city in the long term.

Road maintenance is an ongoing project that our highways and byways, or whatever department is involved, should have been ensured that it is being seen to, Waiting till it costs millions (see an article about this a while back) and the collapse of one ceiling causes this large a hole and forces the closure of a main route in the city for a considerable length of time is unacceptable.

Whilst I do not excuse our various elected administrations, I also want to know what the employed staff of our council have been doing about it.
@ brighton bluenose 12:43pm Wed 30 Apr 14 Quite frankly this has very little to do with the Argus level of elastic veracity, deliberate or otherwise, and more to do with the process of maintaining our city in the long term. Road maintenance is an ongoing project that our highways and byways, or whatever department is involved, should have been ensured that it is being seen to, Waiting till it costs millions (see an article about this a while back) and the collapse of one ceiling causes this large a hole and forces the closure of a main route in the city for a considerable length of time is unacceptable. Whilst I do not excuse our various elected administrations, I also want to know what the employed staff of our council have been doing about it. mimseycal
  • Score: 9

2:20pm Wed 30 Apr 14

spa301 says...

Amazed that it should take this long to fix.
The seafront route is part of my daily commute so I was expecting a much longer journey, however the past 2 days have been the same if not quicker than normal especially going eastwards! Perhaps many are understandably avoiding it.
Amazed that it should take this long to fix. The seafront route is part of my daily commute so I was expecting a much longer journey, however the past 2 days have been the same if not quicker than normal especially going eastwards! Perhaps many are understandably avoiding it. spa301
  • Score: 9

3:20pm Wed 30 Apr 14

DCCCCCC says...

spa301 wrote:
Amazed that it should take this long to fix.
The seafront route is part of my daily commute so I was expecting a much longer journey, however the past 2 days have been the same if not quicker than normal especially going eastwards! Perhaps many are understandably avoiding it.
They must be, I know I am. Other routes are hell so maybe I will head back down that way.
[quote][p][bold]spa301[/bold] wrote: Amazed that it should take this long to fix. The seafront route is part of my daily commute so I was expecting a much longer journey, however the past 2 days have been the same if not quicker than normal especially going eastwards! Perhaps many are understandably avoiding it.[/p][/quote]They must be, I know I am. Other routes are hell so maybe I will head back down that way. DCCCCCC
  • Score: 4

3:27pm Wed 30 Apr 14

wippasnapper says...

“A large chunk of the seafront needs massive investment, tens of millions of pounds of repairs, but the council has decided to spend money on Lewes Road, Seven Dials, Valley Gardens and 20mph limits instead.” Sees it all having a green run council who are initially anti car protesters i.e. if they had there way they would spend the entire budget trying to stop any motor vertical coming in to the city regardless of the fact much needs to be spent on keeping B&H looking good but o’ no they slash services, charge outrageous parking fees and they are now proposing to charge people for parking in stanmer woods car parks are yes but someone has to meat the outlandish overspend and it ate going to be the greens because soon they will be out on there ear thankfully.
“A large chunk of the seafront needs massive investment, tens of millions of pounds of repairs, but the council has decided to spend money on Lewes Road, Seven Dials, Valley Gardens and 20mph limits instead.” Sees it all having a green run council who are initially anti car protesters i.e. if they had there way they would spend the entire budget trying to stop any motor vertical coming in to the city regardless of the fact much needs to be spent on keeping B&H looking good but o’ no they slash services, charge outrageous parking fees and they are now proposing to charge people for parking in stanmer woods car parks are yes but someone has to meat the outlandish overspend and it ate going to be the greens because soon they will be out on there ear thankfully. wippasnapper
  • Score: 11

4:30pm Wed 30 Apr 14

Lady Smith says...

juleshove wrote:
Seven dials roundabout was perfectly fine for over 50 years yet the greens choose to waste over 250k changing it slightly. What a waste of money. The greens lack even average common sense. They have also ruined the drive in Hove with ridiculous parking right on the edge if moving traffic.

The greens should never be allowed to run and ruin our lovely city again. Ms Lucas is all about self promotion. Awful woman.
Erm...Caroline Lucas is an MP. Doesn't actually run the city. Just saying...
[quote][p][bold]juleshove[/bold] wrote: Seven dials roundabout was perfectly fine for over 50 years yet the greens choose to waste over 250k changing it slightly. What a waste of money. The greens lack even average common sense. They have also ruined the drive in Hove with ridiculous parking right on the edge if moving traffic. The greens should never be allowed to run and ruin our lovely city again. Ms Lucas is all about self promotion. Awful woman.[/p][/quote]Erm...Caroline Lucas is an MP. Doesn't actually run the city. Just saying... Lady Smith
  • Score: -2

4:47pm Wed 30 Apr 14

Fairfax Aches says...

The problem is down to the sheer weight of traffic the road has to endure. Surely the council should take this opportunity to save our lungs and the environment by restructuring the seafront to accommodate more bikes or even perhaps a tram line. Clearly the city can cope with less cars therefore why do we constantly encourage people to use them?!
Motorists have been literally getting away with the murder of our planet and its ecosystem for too long, this is the consequence!
The problem is down to the sheer weight of traffic the road has to endure. Surely the council should take this opportunity to save our lungs and the environment by restructuring the seafront to accommodate more bikes or even perhaps a tram line. Clearly the city can cope with less cars therefore why do we constantly encourage people to use them?! Motorists have been literally getting away with the murder of our planet and its ecosystem for too long, this is the consequence! Fairfax Aches
  • Score: -13

5:25pm Wed 30 Apr 14

mimseycal says...

@ Fairfax Aches 4:47pm Wed 30 Apr 14

The problem is bad housekeeping by successive councils over a number of years.
@ Fairfax Aches 4:47pm Wed 30 Apr 14 The problem is bad housekeeping by successive councils over a number of years. mimseycal
  • Score: 6

6:46pm Wed 30 Apr 14

wexler53 says...

A contraflow system has been in place around the busy road between Middle Street and West Street since Friday in an effort to keep traffic moving.

Officials say the disruption at the busy road and promenade below – the city’s biggest tourist attraction – will last for May and most of June.

Which all begs the question - why aren't they getting on with the repair with some degree of haste. Had to pass by several times today for work, and on no occasion was there anyone working there.

And couldn't the contra flow be better organised - it has it's good points with clear signage East bound. Pretty awful west bound though. The traffic lights could be re phased for the duration to improve flow....and still allow a facility for people to cross.

I've yet to see any of our public bodies actually getting on with things and coming in under budget - nor care about the city and it's residents and visitors.

Brighton really should be, given it's location, a top city humming with life and at the top of it's game.

But the limit of imagination is a few useless over expensive under used bike lanes, and an expensive stick thingy that will blight the seafront and the residents wallets for decades to come.

The apocalypse seems cheerful by comparison....
A contraflow system has been in place around the busy road between Middle Street and West Street since Friday in an effort to keep traffic moving. Officials say the disruption at the busy road and promenade below – the city’s biggest tourist attraction – will last for May and most of June. Which all begs the question - why aren't they getting on with the repair with some degree of haste. Had to pass by several times today for work, and on no occasion was there anyone working there. And couldn't the contra flow be better organised - it has it's good points with clear signage East bound. Pretty awful west bound though. The traffic lights could be re phased for the duration to improve flow....and still allow a facility for people to cross. I've yet to see any of our public bodies actually getting on with things and coming in under budget - nor care about the city and it's residents and visitors. Brighton really should be, given it's location, a top city humming with life and at the top of it's game. But the limit of imagination is a few useless over expensive under used bike lanes, and an expensive stick thingy that will blight the seafront and the residents wallets for decades to come. The apocalypse seems cheerful by comparison.... wexler53
  • Score: 6

10:24pm Wed 30 Apr 14

FatherTed11 says...

Fairfax Aches wrote:
The problem is down to the sheer weight of traffic the road has to endure. Surely the council should take this opportunity to save our lungs and the environment by restructuring the seafront to accommodate more bikes or even perhaps a tram line. Clearly the city can cope with less cars therefore why do we constantly encourage people to use them?!
Motorists have been literally getting away with the murder of our planet and its ecosystem for too long, this is the consequence!
Oh pull your head out of your arse you stupid tree hugging hippy. Cyclists have roads, cycle lanes and the promenade (which they aren't supposed even use). What more do you want for **** sake?
[quote][p][bold]Fairfax Aches[/bold] wrote: The problem is down to the sheer weight of traffic the road has to endure. Surely the council should take this opportunity to save our lungs and the environment by restructuring the seafront to accommodate more bikes or even perhaps a tram line. Clearly the city can cope with less cars therefore why do we constantly encourage people to use them?! Motorists have been literally getting away with the murder of our planet and its ecosystem for too long, this is the consequence![/p][/quote]Oh pull your head out of your arse you stupid tree hugging hippy. Cyclists have roads, cycle lanes and the promenade (which they aren't supposed even use). What more do you want for **** sake? FatherTed11
  • Score: 6

10:40pm Wed 30 Apr 14

brighton bluenose says...

FatherTed11 wrote:
Fairfax Aches wrote:
The problem is down to the sheer weight of traffic the road has to endure. Surely the council should take this opportunity to save our lungs and the environment by restructuring the seafront to accommodate more bikes or even perhaps a tram line. Clearly the city can cope with less cars therefore why do we constantly encourage people to use them?!
Motorists have been literally getting away with the murder of our planet and its ecosystem for too long, this is the consequence!
Oh pull your head out of your arse you stupid tree hugging hippy. Cyclists have roads, cycle lanes and the promenade (which they aren't supposed even use). What more do you want for **** sake?
You are clearly a braindead tw** - if you haven't got the basis of even half a sensible argument please go away!
[quote][p][bold]FatherTed11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fairfax Aches[/bold] wrote: The problem is down to the sheer weight of traffic the road has to endure. Surely the council should take this opportunity to save our lungs and the environment by restructuring the seafront to accommodate more bikes or even perhaps a tram line. Clearly the city can cope with less cars therefore why do we constantly encourage people to use them?! Motorists have been literally getting away with the murder of our planet and its ecosystem for too long, this is the consequence![/p][/quote]Oh pull your head out of your arse you stupid tree hugging hippy. Cyclists have roads, cycle lanes and the promenade (which they aren't supposed even use). What more do you want for **** sake?[/p][/quote]You are clearly a braindead tw** - if you haven't got the basis of even half a sensible argument please go away! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -6

10:43pm Wed 30 Apr 14

brighton bluenose says...

deedee111 wrote:
What a joke 8 weeks of total disruption to our city with brighton fringe, music festival and 2 bank holidays coming up, all this is going to do is put people off coming into Brighton as they will spend most of the day stuck in traffic just to get to a car park, this causes havoc and anger amongst drivers, why cant brighton council ever get anything right!!!!!!!!!
It years of neglect so only someone who's not very bright would blame this current administration! !
[quote][p][bold]deedee111[/bold] wrote: What a joke 8 weeks of total disruption to our city with brighton fringe, music festival and 2 bank holidays coming up, all this is going to do is put people off coming into Brighton as they will spend most of the day stuck in traffic just to get to a car park, this causes havoc and anger amongst drivers, why cant brighton council ever get anything right!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]It years of neglect so only someone who's not very bright would blame this current administration! ! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -3

11:45pm Wed 30 Apr 14

mimseycal says...

spa301 wrote:
Amazed that it should take this long to fix.
The seafront route is part of my daily commute so I was expecting a much longer journey, however the past 2 days have been the same if not quicker than normal especially going eastwards! Perhaps many are understandably avoiding it.
Not all that amazing really. You must remember that this is work that will in all probability require some form of civil engineering which has to be instructed by a local authority ...

They start out by saying 8 weeks but what's the betting that they will discover all sorts of additional little problems which of course will only come to light as a result of this job ... we'll be lucky if we get the road back and functioning by the end of the summer I reckon. And I am really looking forward to being proved wrong on this one.
[quote][p][bold]spa301[/bold] wrote: Amazed that it should take this long to fix. The seafront route is part of my daily commute so I was expecting a much longer journey, however the past 2 days have been the same if not quicker than normal especially going eastwards! Perhaps many are understandably avoiding it.[/p][/quote]Not all that amazing really. You must remember that this is work that will in all probability require some form of civil engineering which has to be instructed by a local authority ... They start out by saying 8 weeks but what's the betting that they will discover all sorts of additional little problems which of course will only come to light as a result of this job ... we'll be lucky if we get the road back and functioning by the end of the summer I reckon. And I am really looking forward to being proved wrong on this one. mimseycal
  • Score: 3

12:41am Thu 1 May 14

whatevernext2013 says...

Joshiman wrote:
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City in decline until the next election when hopefully any incoming political party apart from the Greens will sort out this mess.
the sad truth is both labour and tory could have voted down any and all green madness but they just sat back and let them ruin our city ,they too should be remembered at the next election
[quote][p][bold]Joshiman[/bold] wrote: https://www.flickr.c om/photos/seadipper/ sets/365126/ City in decline until the next election when hopefully any incoming political party apart from the Greens will sort out this mess.[/p][/quote]the sad truth is both labour and tory could have voted down any and all green madness but they just sat back and let them ruin our city ,they too should be remembered at the next election whatevernext2013
  • Score: 2

5:03am Thu 1 May 14

brighton bluenose says...

whatevernext2013 wrote:
Joshiman wrote:
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City in decline until the next election when hopefully any incoming political party apart from the Greens will sort out this mess.
the sad truth is both labour and tory could have voted down any and all green madness but they just sat back and let them ruin our city ,they too should be remembered at the next election
'Riun our city' ha ha ha! Exactly how has our city been ruined?!
[quote][p][bold]whatevernext2013[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Joshiman[/bold] wrote: https://www.flickr.c om/photos/seadipper/ sets/365126/ City in decline until the next election when hopefully any incoming political party apart from the Greens will sort out this mess.[/p][/quote]the sad truth is both labour and tory could have voted down any and all green madness but they just sat back and let them ruin our city ,they too should be remembered at the next election[/p][/quote]'Riun our city' ha ha ha! Exactly how has our city been ruined?! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -7

9:31am Thu 1 May 14

Max Ripple says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
What a buffoon Warren Morgan is - rather than scoring party political points perhaps he wants to explain exactly what Labour did to shore up this road during their years in power?!
Morgan also fails to mention that it is the Greens who are spending several million pounds renovating the seafront arches between Alfresco restaurant and the Metropole Hotel - strange that isn't it?!!
The only reason the Greens are spending that money on that section of the seafront is in preparation for the iSore. There is money in the pot to repair this new problem and other bits that are in immediate danger but they won't spend it, saying that it is already allocated for Valley Gardens. They can't see that the seafront is our shop window. Without that you might as well pick up Brighhton and Hove and dump it in the middle of the country. No seafront, prom, arches, piers and Brighton is just another town.
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: What a buffoon Warren Morgan is - rather than scoring party political points perhaps he wants to explain exactly what Labour did to shore up this road during their years in power?! Morgan also fails to mention that it is the Greens who are spending several million pounds renovating the seafront arches between Alfresco restaurant and the Metropole Hotel - strange that isn't it?!![/p][/quote]The only reason the Greens are spending that money on that section of the seafront is in preparation for the iSore. There is money in the pot to repair this new problem and other bits that are in immediate danger but they won't spend it, saying that it is already allocated for Valley Gardens. They can't see that the seafront is our shop window. Without that you might as well pick up Brighhton and Hove and dump it in the middle of the country. No seafront, prom, arches, piers and Brighton is just another town. Max Ripple
  • Score: 3

1:52pm Thu 1 May 14

DC Brighton says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
FatherTed11 wrote:
Fairfax Aches wrote:
The problem is down to the sheer weight of traffic the road has to endure. Surely the council should take this opportunity to save our lungs and the environment by restructuring the seafront to accommodate more bikes or even perhaps a tram line. Clearly the city can cope with less cars therefore why do we constantly encourage people to use them?!
Motorists have been literally getting away with the murder of our planet and its ecosystem for too long, this is the consequence!
Oh pull your head out of your arse you stupid tree hugging hippy. Cyclists have roads, cycle lanes and the promenade (which they aren't supposed even use). What more do you want for **** sake?
You are clearly a braindead tw** - if you haven't got the basis of even half a sensible argument please go away!
I disagree. Cyclists are in the minority in the extreme and yet are being pandered to. That's a pretty sensible argument for looking at how we are directing our travel budget. I don't fancy riding a tandem with my wife and attaching a trailer for my son to get to my parents in Seaford. I want to drive. It's common sense. It's practical. It is in fact progress. We should be investing in roads. They are a must-have whether you like it or not. Cycle paths are a nice-to-have for those who lark about on bikes at the weekend and the five people in Brighton who actually use them to go anywhere.

And yes, if we are going to have cycle paths then use them - don't use the promenade. You are doing nothing to help the cause of a group who already have the image (rightly or wrongly) of being a sanctimonious bunch of do-gooders.
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FatherTed11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fairfax Aches[/bold] wrote: The problem is down to the sheer weight of traffic the road has to endure. Surely the council should take this opportunity to save our lungs and the environment by restructuring the seafront to accommodate more bikes or even perhaps a tram line. Clearly the city can cope with less cars therefore why do we constantly encourage people to use them?! Motorists have been literally getting away with the murder of our planet and its ecosystem for too long, this is the consequence![/p][/quote]Oh pull your head out of your arse you stupid tree hugging hippy. Cyclists have roads, cycle lanes and the promenade (which they aren't supposed even use). What more do you want for **** sake?[/p][/quote]You are clearly a braindead tw** - if you haven't got the basis of even half a sensible argument please go away![/p][/quote]I disagree. Cyclists are in the minority in the extreme and yet are being pandered to. That's a pretty sensible argument for looking at how we are directing our travel budget. I don't fancy riding a tandem with my wife and attaching a trailer for my son to get to my parents in Seaford. I want to drive. It's common sense. It's practical. It is in fact progress. We should be investing in roads. They are a must-have whether you like it or not. Cycle paths are a nice-to-have for those who lark about on bikes at the weekend and the five people in Brighton who actually use them to go anywhere. And yes, if we are going to have cycle paths then use them - don't use the promenade. You are doing nothing to help the cause of a group who already have the image (rightly or wrongly) of being a sanctimonious bunch of do-gooders. DC Brighton
  • Score: 7

2:45pm Thu 1 May 14

spa301 says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
whatevernext2013 wrote:
Joshiman wrote:
https://www.flickr.c



om/photos/seadipper/



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City in decline until the next election when hopefully any incoming political party apart from the Greens will sort out this mess.
the sad truth is both labour and tory could have voted down any and all green madness but they just sat back and let them ruin our city ,they too should be remembered at the next election
'Riun our city' ha ha ha! Exactly how has our city been ruined?!
Go for a walk and see for yourself.
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whatevernext2013[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Joshiman[/bold] wrote: https://www.flickr.c om/photos/seadipper/ sets/365126/ City in decline until the next election when hopefully any incoming political party apart from the Greens will sort out this mess.[/p][/quote]the sad truth is both labour and tory could have voted down any and all green madness but they just sat back and let them ruin our city ,they too should be remembered at the next election[/p][/quote]'Riun our city' ha ha ha! Exactly how has our city been ruined?![/p][/quote]Go for a walk and see for yourself. spa301
  • Score: 2

3:37pm Thu 1 May 14

brighton bluenose says...

spa301 wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
whatevernext2013 wrote:
Joshiman wrote:
https://www.flickr.c




om/photos/seadipper/




sets/365126/

City in decline until the next election when hopefully any incoming political party apart from the Greens will sort out this mess.
the sad truth is both labour and tory could have voted down any and all green madness but they just sat back and let them ruin our city ,they too should be remembered at the next election
'Riun our city' ha ha ha! Exactly how has our city been ruined?!
Go for a walk and see for yourself.
Get real - Detroit; Baghdad and many Syrian cities are 'ruined'! We have a few local difficulties that have been excacerbated by government cuts. Also PEOPLE dont help - the communal waste bin outside my front door is continually surrounded by rubbish where people dont ensure their bags are right in the bin, the seagulls get to it and then the detritus of peoples eating habits and worse are spewed over the ground all day! Then theres the chairs and computer screens and....and.......!!
[quote][p][bold]spa301[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whatevernext2013[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Joshiman[/bold] wrote: https://www.flickr.c om/photos/seadipper/ sets/365126/ City in decline until the next election when hopefully any incoming political party apart from the Greens will sort out this mess.[/p][/quote]the sad truth is both labour and tory could have voted down any and all green madness but they just sat back and let them ruin our city ,they too should be remembered at the next election[/p][/quote]'Riun our city' ha ha ha! Exactly how has our city been ruined?![/p][/quote]Go for a walk and see for yourself.[/p][/quote]Get real - Detroit; Baghdad and many Syrian cities are 'ruined'! We have a few local difficulties that have been excacerbated by government cuts. Also PEOPLE dont help - the communal waste bin outside my front door is continually surrounded by rubbish where people dont ensure their bags are right in the bin, the seagulls get to it and then the detritus of peoples eating habits and worse are spewed over the ground all day! Then theres the chairs and computer screens and....and.......!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -4

5:36pm Thu 1 May 14

mimseycal says...

@ brighton bluenose 3:37pm Thu 1 May 14

The lack of ongoing maintenance has little to do with recent government cuts and more to do with successive administrations being more concerned with projects thqat will earn them immediate kudos then with ensuring that the city is being maintained long term.
@ brighton bluenose 3:37pm Thu 1 May 14 The lack of ongoing maintenance has little to do with recent government cuts and more to do with successive administrations being more concerned with projects thqat will earn them immediate kudos then with ensuring that the city is being maintained long term. mimseycal
  • Score: 2

5:36pm Thu 1 May 14

mimseycal says...

@ brighton bluenose 3:37pm Thu 1 May 14

The lack of ongoing maintenance has little to do with recent government cuts and more to do with successive administrations being more concerned with projects that will earn them immediate kudos then with ensuring that the city is being maintained long term.
@ brighton bluenose 3:37pm Thu 1 May 14 The lack of ongoing maintenance has little to do with recent government cuts and more to do with successive administrations being more concerned with projects that will earn them immediate kudos then with ensuring that the city is being maintained long term. mimseycal
  • Score: 2

5:59pm Thu 1 May 14

brighton bluenose says...

mimseycal wrote:
@ brighton bluenose 3:37pm Thu 1 May 14

The lack of ongoing maintenance has little to do with recent government cuts and more to do with successive administrations being more concerned with projects thqat will earn them immediate kudos then with ensuring that the city is being maintained long term.
I couldn't agree with you more! The post you are replying to was itself a reply to another re this present administration and its effect on our city!
[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: @ brighton bluenose 3:37pm Thu 1 May 14 The lack of ongoing maintenance has little to do with recent government cuts and more to do with successive administrations being more concerned with projects thqat will earn them immediate kudos then with ensuring that the city is being maintained long term.[/p][/quote]I couldn't agree with you more! The post you are replying to was itself a reply to another re this present administration and its effect on our city! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -1

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