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City is the highest rated seaside city

The Argus: Brighton is best Brighton is best

IT IS official - Brighton and Hove is the most popular seaside destination in the UK.

The city had 409,000 visits in 2013 - up more than 50,000 from the previous year.

This is according to the latest figures from the Office for National Statistics, which are based on information about stays of at least one night.

Hoteliers described the city as “very special” and “the perfect place to come”.

Soozie Campbell, chairwoman of the Brighton and Hove Tourism Alliance, said: “I think this just reinforces the point the Tourism Alliance has been making for the last few years - that Brighton is first and foremost a tourist destination.

“It is tourism that puts us on the map not new media or ecology.

“It's been a lot of hard work on the part of everyone in the sector and we need to keep up the pressure to maintain our seafront and major attractions.

“We also need to keep the shops, bars, cafes and restaurants alive and buzzing.

“We are doing all that we can through major events such as the May Festival and Fringe, our Food Festivals and other activities but it isn't easy when public funding is in decline and we are facing a £100 million bill to restore the seafront infrastructure.

Tony Mernagh, executive director of the Brighton and Hove Economic Partnership, said: “I suspect that our success is another example of Brighton punching above its purse as it does in so many areas of the economy.

“The tourism budgets of some of the destinations above us will be measured in the millions.”

Simon Maguire, general manager at Hotel du Vin, said: “The feeling I get from my customers is that Brighton offers the perfect place to come, as it offers the perfect balance of beautiful scenery minutes from the town centre and fantastic night life and cultural events.

“In my career I've worked in many hotels in many cities and I can honestly say Brighton has the best balance of the lot.”

Richard Hayes, general manager at Drakes Hotel, said: “We're massive advocates of Brighton, there's so much to do and it's great for weekend breaks. We could usually fill up the hotel four or five times over during the weekend.

“It has great links with London, which makes it very special, and there's always something going on - there's a festival virtually every weekend.”

Overall Brighton and Hove is the eighth most popular town or city for tourists in the UK but no other seaside resort made the top 20.

This is behind Edinburgh at number one and Bristol at seven, but ahead of Cambridge at ninth and Bath at 12th.

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11:29pm Thu 8 May 14

FatherTed11 says...

This is a joke right??
This is a joke right?? FatherTed11
  • Score: -2

11:29pm Thu 8 May 14

Quiterie says...

I fully expect Simon Kirby to take the credit for this.......
I fully expect Simon Kirby to take the credit for this....... Quiterie
  • Score: 4

12:00am Fri 9 May 14

clubrob6 says...

If we are such a popular place why does the council not think it was viable to open several tourist attractions like the mini golf course on hove seafront last year?You could also not hire bowls for the bowling greens,that is the ones that are left as the council filled several of them in last year and planted wild flowers on them.It would be great to see the King Alfred site developed to give something for the tourists in the area.Things are looking up this year for hove lagoon with a café that sells decent food again and new paddling boats.
If we are such a popular place why does the council not think it was viable to open several tourist attractions like the mini golf course on hove seafront last year?You could also not hire bowls for the bowling greens,that is the ones that are left as the council filled several of them in last year and planted wild flowers on them.It would be great to see the King Alfred site developed to give something for the tourists in the area.Things are looking up this year for hove lagoon with a café that sells decent food again and new paddling boats. clubrob6
  • Score: 17

12:01am Fri 9 May 14

rolivan says...

If these figures are correct how will the proposed i360 even break even and that is with every single visitor going on it.
If these figures are correct how will the proposed i360 even break even and that is with every single visitor going on it. rolivan
  • Score: 13

1:09am Fri 9 May 14

P.Dant says...

Proximity to London is known to benefit seaside destinations closest to London.
Proximity to London is known to benefit seaside destinations closest to London. P.Dant
  • Score: 14

2:32am Fri 9 May 14

Zeta Function says...

How much weed killer do they use in the parks and what's in it?

How well qualified are the public gardeners? They don't seem to know what they're doing.
How much weed killer do they use in the parks and what's in it? How well qualified are the public gardeners? They don't seem to know what they're doing. Zeta Function
  • Score: 1

6:34am Fri 9 May 14

rogerthefish says...

Must be the pristine sand, hang on why does Private Eye refer to here as Skidrow on Sea. simply it's the proximity to London, I went for a wander last weekend along the chewing gum laden seafront and feeling a bit peckish could not find any food other than the fried variety so ended up at Hove lawns to be told £12 just to enter a place selling food-and that was my first promenading of the year. I've just looked on booking.com for tonights prices and 3* hotels are back scalping the punters with Holiday Inn charging £199 Umi £167 Best Western £155 and the new Maderia £175 and not one of them has a rating of 8 out of 10..I can think of far better places to go and do.
Must be the pristine sand, hang on why does Private Eye refer to here as Skidrow on Sea. simply it's the proximity to London, I went for a wander last weekend along the chewing gum laden seafront and feeling a bit peckish could not find any food other than the fried variety so ended up at Hove lawns to be told £12 just to enter a place selling food-and that was my first promenading of the year. I've just looked on booking.com for tonights prices and 3* hotels are back scalping the punters with Holiday Inn charging £199 Umi £167 Best Western £155 and the new Maderia £175 and not one of them has a rating of 8 out of 10..I can think of far better places to go and do. rogerthefish
  • Score: 3

8:11am Fri 9 May 14

brightonbunny says...

rolivan wrote:
If these figures are correct how will the proposed i360 even break even and that is with every single visitor going on it.
The article actually states that this count of 409,000 is for visitors staying over for at least 1 night. Brighton gets many times more day visitors that don't actually stay in a hotel. That said, the forecast numbers for i360 do look very "optimistic".
[quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: If these figures are correct how will the proposed i360 even break even and that is with every single visitor going on it.[/p][/quote]The article actually states that this count of 409,000 is for visitors staying over for at least 1 night. Brighton gets many times more day visitors that don't actually stay in a hotel. That said, the forecast numbers for i360 do look very "optimistic". brightonbunny
  • Score: 6

8:11am Fri 9 May 14

Eugenius says...

rolivan wrote:
If these figures are correct how will the proposed i360 even break even and that is with every single visitor going on it.
The figures quoted are for overnight stays - the city receives 8.5 million visitors a year but most come on day trips.
[quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: If these figures are correct how will the proposed i360 even break even and that is with every single visitor going on it.[/p][/quote]The figures quoted are for overnight stays - the city receives 8.5 million visitors a year but most come on day trips. Eugenius
  • Score: 8

8:11am Fri 9 May 14

pachallis says...

I'm surprised that none of the green council leaders have claimed that this enviable position is due to their 'wonderful' policies they have implemented over the last 4 years.

Or could it be that this is in spite of their 'achievements'?
I'm surprised that none of the green council leaders have claimed that this enviable position is due to their 'wonderful' policies they have implemented over the last 4 years. Or could it be that this is in spite of their 'achievements'? pachallis
  • Score: 3

8:22am Fri 9 May 14

HJarrs says...

pachallis wrote:
I'm surprised that none of the green council leaders have claimed that this enviable position is due to their 'wonderful' policies they have implemented over the last 4 years.

Or could it be that this is in spite of their 'achievements'?
Given the moanerati are always telling us B&H has been ruined and is now a ghost town due to the Greens, it is only logical that the Greens take credit for helping to make the city more popular and for the improving local economy.
[quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: I'm surprised that none of the green council leaders have claimed that this enviable position is due to their 'wonderful' policies they have implemented over the last 4 years. Or could it be that this is in spite of their 'achievements'?[/p][/quote]Given the moanerati are always telling us B&H has been ruined and is now a ghost town due to the Greens, it is only logical that the Greens take credit for helping to make the city more popular and for the improving local economy. HJarrs
  • Score: -15

8:25am Fri 9 May 14

HJarrs says...

Eugenius wrote:
rolivan wrote:
If these figures are correct how will the proposed i360 even break even and that is with every single visitor going on it.
The figures quoted are for overnight stays - the city receives 8.5 million visitors a year but most come on day trips.
Unusually I have to disagree with you. I am sure the figures last quoted had increased north of 10 million. So much for the city becoming a ghost town!
[quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: If these figures are correct how will the proposed i360 even break even and that is with every single visitor going on it.[/p][/quote]The figures quoted are for overnight stays - the city receives 8.5 million visitors a year but most come on day trips.[/p][/quote]Unusually I have to disagree with you. I am sure the figures last quoted had increased north of 10 million. So much for the city becoming a ghost town! HJarrs
  • Score: -9

8:43am Fri 9 May 14

pachallis says...

HJarrs wrote:
pachallis wrote:
I'm surprised that none of the green council leaders have claimed that this enviable position is due to their 'wonderful' policies they have implemented over the last 4 years.

Or could it be that this is in spite of their 'achievements'?
Given the moanerati are always telling us B&H has been ruined and is now a ghost town due to the Greens, it is only logical that the Greens take credit for helping to make the city more popular and for the improving local economy.
@HJarrs - isn't it about time you found a new insult.

Of course it is only 'logical' that the greens have to take credit for anything positive and pass the blame for anything negative.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: I'm surprised that none of the green council leaders have claimed that this enviable position is due to their 'wonderful' policies they have implemented over the last 4 years. Or could it be that this is in spite of their 'achievements'?[/p][/quote]Given the moanerati are always telling us B&H has been ruined and is now a ghost town due to the Greens, it is only logical that the Greens take credit for helping to make the city more popular and for the improving local economy.[/p][/quote]@HJarrs - isn't it about time you found a new insult. Of course it is only 'logical' that the greens have to take credit for anything positive and pass the blame for anything negative. pachallis
  • Score: 6

9:06am Fri 9 May 14

HJarrs says...

pachallis wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
pachallis wrote:
I'm surprised that none of the green council leaders have claimed that this enviable position is due to their 'wonderful' policies they have implemented over the last 4 years.

Or could it be that this is in spite of their 'achievements'?
Given the moanerati are always telling us B&H has been ruined and is now a ghost town due to the Greens, it is only logical that the Greens take credit for helping to make the city more popular and for the improving local economy.
@HJarrs - isn't it about time you found a new insult.

Of course it is only 'logical' that the greens have to take credit for anything positive and pass the blame for anything negative.
Seems reasonable to me, but let's not forget that people like yourself have been crying wolf since the Greens got in. 2013 figures include the building and completing of several cycle routes that we were told would result in disaster.
[quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: I'm surprised that none of the green council leaders have claimed that this enviable position is due to their 'wonderful' policies they have implemented over the last 4 years. Or could it be that this is in spite of their 'achievements'?[/p][/quote]Given the moanerati are always telling us B&H has been ruined and is now a ghost town due to the Greens, it is only logical that the Greens take credit for helping to make the city more popular and for the improving local economy.[/p][/quote]@HJarrs - isn't it about time you found a new insult. Of course it is only 'logical' that the greens have to take credit for anything positive and pass the blame for anything negative.[/p][/quote]Seems reasonable to me, but let's not forget that people like yourself have been crying wolf since the Greens got in. 2013 figures include the building and completing of several cycle routes that we were told would result in disaster. HJarrs
  • Score: -8

9:23am Fri 9 May 14

Vigilia says...

So the travellers tell me.
So the travellers tell me. Vigilia
  • Score: 13

9:31am Fri 9 May 14

saveHOVE says...

These tourists need BHCC to spend seafront earning on seafront maintenance and facilities. Does the i360 count as Infrastructure that will benefit tourism or will it ruin everything, be ignored by tourists and cost taxpayers when i360 defaults on the £36.2m loan BHCC is taking out to get it built? If i360 fails, the taxpayers of Brighton & Hove will have to repay that loan.

Please sign the petition asking the Public Works Loan Board not to grant this loan to BHCC:

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These tourists need BHCC to spend seafront earning on seafront maintenance and facilities. Does the i360 count as Infrastructure that will benefit tourism or will it ruin everything, be ignored by tourists and cost taxpayers when i360 defaults on the £36.2m loan BHCC is taking out to get it built? If i360 fails, the taxpayers of Brighton & Hove will have to repay that loan. Please sign the petition asking the Public Works Loan Board not to grant this loan to BHCC: http://www.change.or g/en-GB/petitions/pu blic-works-loan-boar d-please-refuse-the- bhcc-loan-request-fo r-36-2m-for-onward-l ending-to-brighton-i 360-ltd-to-build-the -i360-on-brighton-s- seafront saveHOVE
  • Score: 5

9:34am Fri 9 May 14

pachallis says...

HJarrs wrote:
pachallis wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
pachallis wrote:
I'm surprised that none of the green council leaders have claimed that this enviable position is due to their 'wonderful' policies they have implemented over the last 4 years.

Or could it be that this is in spite of their 'achievements'?
Given the moanerati are always telling us B&H has been ruined and is now a ghost town due to the Greens, it is only logical that the Greens take credit for helping to make the city more popular and for the improving local economy.
@HJarrs - isn't it about time you found a new insult.

Of course it is only 'logical' that the greens have to take credit for anything positive and pass the blame for anything negative.
Seems reasonable to me, but let's not forget that people like yourself have been crying wolf since the Greens got in. 2013 figures include the building and completing of several cycle routes that we were told would result in disaster.
@HJarrs - and you count building cycle routes as a success - for who?

You (and the rest of the irresponsible ideological greens) are totally deluded! So how well are the OSR lanes used? What about Lewes Road? And I wonder how well the up hill Edward Street one will be used?

Do you think this actually helped increase overnight hotel bookings?

Did the visitors come to Brighton & Hove by bicycle?

Please provide some real before and after statistics to back up your assertions together with the original success criteria rather than spinning as usual. Seems the green are willing to spend, spend, spend on vanity projects and then desperately try to find something to show it worked afterwards.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: I'm surprised that none of the green council leaders have claimed that this enviable position is due to their 'wonderful' policies they have implemented over the last 4 years. Or could it be that this is in spite of their 'achievements'?[/p][/quote]Given the moanerati are always telling us B&H has been ruined and is now a ghost town due to the Greens, it is only logical that the Greens take credit for helping to make the city more popular and for the improving local economy.[/p][/quote]@HJarrs - isn't it about time you found a new insult. Of course it is only 'logical' that the greens have to take credit for anything positive and pass the blame for anything negative.[/p][/quote]Seems reasonable to me, but let's not forget that people like yourself have been crying wolf since the Greens got in. 2013 figures include the building and completing of several cycle routes that we were told would result in disaster.[/p][/quote]@HJarrs - and you count building cycle routes as a success - for who? You (and the rest of the irresponsible ideological greens) are totally deluded! So how well are the OSR lanes used? What about Lewes Road? And I wonder how well the up hill Edward Street one will be used? Do you think this actually helped increase overnight hotel bookings? Did the visitors come to Brighton & Hove by bicycle? Please provide some real before and after statistics to back up your assertions together with the original success criteria rather than spinning as usual. Seems the green are willing to spend, spend, spend on vanity projects and then desperately try to find something to show it worked afterwards. pachallis
  • Score: 6

9:48am Fri 9 May 14

Telscombe Cliffy says...

It's a shame Volks Railway opens late , closes early and doesn't run every day. And doesn't go to the Marina and and at least to West Street to the West. Rather see i360 money spent on Volks.
It's a shame Volks Railway opens late , closes early and doesn't run every day. And doesn't go to the Marina and and at least to West Street to the West. Rather see i360 money spent on Volks. Telscombe Cliffy
  • Score: 14

12:52pm Fri 9 May 14

HJarrs says...

pachallis wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
pachallis wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
pachallis wrote:
I'm surprised that none of the green council leaders have claimed that this enviable position is due to their 'wonderful' policies they have implemented over the last 4 years.

Or could it be that this is in spite of their 'achievements'?
Given the moanerati are always telling us B&H has been ruined and is now a ghost town due to the Greens, it is only logical that the Greens take credit for helping to make the city more popular and for the improving local economy.
@HJarrs - isn't it about time you found a new insult.

Of course it is only 'logical' that the greens have to take credit for anything positive and pass the blame for anything negative.
Seems reasonable to me, but let's not forget that people like yourself have been crying wolf since the Greens got in. 2013 figures include the building and completing of several cycle routes that we were told would result in disaster.
@HJarrs - and you count building cycle routes as a success - for who?

You (and the rest of the irresponsible ideological greens) are totally deluded! So how well are the OSR lanes used? What about Lewes Road? And I wonder how well the up hill Edward Street one will be used?

Do you think this actually helped increase overnight hotel bookings?

Did the visitors come to Brighton & Hove by bicycle?

Please provide some real before and after statistics to back up your assertions together with the original success criteria rather than spinning as usual. Seems the green are willing to spend, spend, spend on vanity projects and then desperately try to find something to show it worked afterwards.
All on the council website patchy. Look it up yourself.

We were told that the cycle routes would lead to loss of business and tourists. This has not been the case. There is not the strong economic link between private car traffic and the economy that my moanerati friends would have us believe.

To the future, the city needs to gear up as a destination for 2018 when the trIns start running to Cambridge and capacity is increased. The ongoing improvements around Brighton Station are a start, but more will need to be done at Hove and Brighton.
[quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: I'm surprised that none of the green council leaders have claimed that this enviable position is due to their 'wonderful' policies they have implemented over the last 4 years. Or could it be that this is in spite of their 'achievements'?[/p][/quote]Given the moanerati are always telling us B&H has been ruined and is now a ghost town due to the Greens, it is only logical that the Greens take credit for helping to make the city more popular and for the improving local economy.[/p][/quote]@HJarrs - isn't it about time you found a new insult. Of course it is only 'logical' that the greens have to take credit for anything positive and pass the blame for anything negative.[/p][/quote]Seems reasonable to me, but let's not forget that people like yourself have been crying wolf since the Greens got in. 2013 figures include the building and completing of several cycle routes that we were told would result in disaster.[/p][/quote]@HJarrs - and you count building cycle routes as a success - for who? You (and the rest of the irresponsible ideological greens) are totally deluded! So how well are the OSR lanes used? What about Lewes Road? And I wonder how well the up hill Edward Street one will be used? Do you think this actually helped increase overnight hotel bookings? Did the visitors come to Brighton & Hove by bicycle? Please provide some real before and after statistics to back up your assertions together with the original success criteria rather than spinning as usual. Seems the green are willing to spend, spend, spend on vanity projects and then desperately try to find something to show it worked afterwards.[/p][/quote]All on the council website patchy. Look it up yourself. We were told that the cycle routes would lead to loss of business and tourists. This has not been the case. There is not the strong economic link between private car traffic and the economy that my moanerati friends would have us believe. To the future, the city needs to gear up as a destination for 2018 when the trIns start running to Cambridge and capacity is increased. The ongoing improvements around Brighton Station are a start, but more will need to be done at Hove and Brighton. HJarrs
  • Score: -3

1:47pm Fri 9 May 14

pachallis says...

HJarrs wrote:
pachallis wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
pachallis wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
pachallis wrote:
I'm surprised that none of the green council leaders have claimed that this enviable position is due to their 'wonderful' policies they have implemented over the last 4 years.

Or could it be that this is in spite of their 'achievements'?
Given the moanerati are always telling us B&H has been ruined and is now a ghost town due to the Greens, it is only logical that the Greens take credit for helping to make the city more popular and for the improving local economy.
@HJarrs - isn't it about time you found a new insult.

Of course it is only 'logical' that the greens have to take credit for anything positive and pass the blame for anything negative.
Seems reasonable to me, but let's not forget that people like yourself have been crying wolf since the Greens got in. 2013 figures include the building and completing of several cycle routes that we were told would result in disaster.
@HJarrs - and you count building cycle routes as a success - for who?

You (and the rest of the irresponsible ideological greens) are totally deluded! So how well are the OSR lanes used? What about Lewes Road? And I wonder how well the up hill Edward Street one will be used?

Do you think this actually helped increase overnight hotel bookings?

Did the visitors come to Brighton & Hove by bicycle?

Please provide some real before and after statistics to back up your assertions together with the original success criteria rather than spinning as usual. Seems the green are willing to spend, spend, spend on vanity projects and then desperately try to find something to show it worked afterwards.
All on the council website patchy. Look it up yourself.

We were told that the cycle routes would lead to loss of business and tourists. This has not been the case. There is not the strong economic link between private car traffic and the economy that my moanerati friends would have us believe.

To the future, the city needs to gear up as a destination for 2018 when the trIns start running to Cambridge and capacity is increased. The ongoing improvements around Brighton Station are a start, but more will need to be done at Hove and Brighton.
@HJarrs - ah! your humorous rearrangement of my name and use of the moanerati term - you really are an excellent advert for the greens!

You say that we have been crying wolf since the greens got in - no - it started as a slight loathing but turned into a distinct hatred as we discovered how ideologically incompetent they were.

So cycle lanes have increased hotel bookings to Brighton? Round objects!

Looking forward to my trin ride! The non-environmental pinko greens (read your manifesto!) will be well gone by 2018 so who cares what you/they think.

Remember everyone - make sure you use your vote in the forthcoming elections - and make sure you vote for ANY party except green.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: I'm surprised that none of the green council leaders have claimed that this enviable position is due to their 'wonderful' policies they have implemented over the last 4 years. Or could it be that this is in spite of their 'achievements'?[/p][/quote]Given the moanerati are always telling us B&H has been ruined and is now a ghost town due to the Greens, it is only logical that the Greens take credit for helping to make the city more popular and for the improving local economy.[/p][/quote]@HJarrs - isn't it about time you found a new insult. Of course it is only 'logical' that the greens have to take credit for anything positive and pass the blame for anything negative.[/p][/quote]Seems reasonable to me, but let's not forget that people like yourself have been crying wolf since the Greens got in. 2013 figures include the building and completing of several cycle routes that we were told would result in disaster.[/p][/quote]@HJarrs - and you count building cycle routes as a success - for who? You (and the rest of the irresponsible ideological greens) are totally deluded! So how well are the OSR lanes used? What about Lewes Road? And I wonder how well the up hill Edward Street one will be used? Do you think this actually helped increase overnight hotel bookings? Did the visitors come to Brighton & Hove by bicycle? Please provide some real before and after statistics to back up your assertions together with the original success criteria rather than spinning as usual. Seems the green are willing to spend, spend, spend on vanity projects and then desperately try to find something to show it worked afterwards.[/p][/quote]All on the council website patchy. Look it up yourself. We were told that the cycle routes would lead to loss of business and tourists. This has not been the case. There is not the strong economic link between private car traffic and the economy that my moanerati friends would have us believe. To the future, the city needs to gear up as a destination for 2018 when the trIns start running to Cambridge and capacity is increased. The ongoing improvements around Brighton Station are a start, but more will need to be done at Hove and Brighton.[/p][/quote]@HJarrs - ah! your humorous rearrangement of my name and use of the moanerati term - you really are an excellent advert for the greens! You say that we have been crying wolf since the greens got in - no - it started as a slight loathing but turned into a distinct hatred as we discovered how ideologically incompetent they were. So cycle lanes have increased hotel bookings to Brighton? Round objects! Looking forward to my trin ride! The non-environmental pinko greens (read your manifesto!) will be well gone by 2018 so who cares what you/they think. Remember everyone - make sure you use your vote in the forthcoming elections - and make sure you vote for ANY party except green. pachallis
  • Score: 3

3:20pm Fri 9 May 14

HJarrs says...

pachallis wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
pachallis wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
pachallis wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
pachallis wrote:
I'm surprised that none of the green council leaders have claimed that this enviable position is due to their 'wonderful' policies they have implemented over the last 4 years.

Or could it be that this is in spite of their 'achievements'?
Given the moanerati are always telling us B&H has been ruined and is now a ghost town due to the Greens, it is only logical that the Greens take credit for helping to make the city more popular and for the improving local economy.
@HJarrs - isn't it about time you found a new insult.

Of course it is only 'logical' that the greens have to take credit for anything positive and pass the blame for anything negative.
Seems reasonable to me, but let's not forget that people like yourself have been crying wolf since the Greens got in. 2013 figures include the building and completing of several cycle routes that we were told would result in disaster.
@HJarrs - and you count building cycle routes as a success - for who?

You (and the rest of the irresponsible ideological greens) are totally deluded! So how well are the OSR lanes used? What about Lewes Road? And I wonder how well the up hill Edward Street one will be used?

Do you think this actually helped increase overnight hotel bookings?

Did the visitors come to Brighton & Hove by bicycle?

Please provide some real before and after statistics to back up your assertions together with the original success criteria rather than spinning as usual. Seems the green are willing to spend, spend, spend on vanity projects and then desperately try to find something to show it worked afterwards.
All on the council website patchy. Look it up yourself.

We were told that the cycle routes would lead to loss of business and tourists. This has not been the case. There is not the strong economic link between private car traffic and the economy that my moanerati friends would have us believe.

To the future, the city needs to gear up as a destination for 2018 when the trIns start running to Cambridge and capacity is increased. The ongoing improvements around Brighton Station are a start, but more will need to be done at Hove and Brighton.
@HJarrs - ah! your humorous rearrangement of my name and use of the moanerati term - you really are an excellent advert for the greens!

You say that we have been crying wolf since the greens got in - no - it started as a slight loathing but turned into a distinct hatred as we discovered how ideologically incompetent they were.

So cycle lanes have increased hotel bookings to Brighton? Round objects!

Looking forward to my trin ride! The non-environmental pinko greens (read your manifesto!) will be well gone by 2018 so who cares what you/they think.

Remember everyone - make sure you use your vote in the forthcoming elections - and make sure you vote for ANY party except green.
Sorry Patchy, but I don't claim that introducing a few cycle lanes has increased hotel bookings, the point is that they have far from put people off visiting the city, which is precisely opposite what you and your moanerati chums have been predicting. Inconvenient, I know, but true.
[quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: I'm surprised that none of the green council leaders have claimed that this enviable position is due to their 'wonderful' policies they have implemented over the last 4 years. Or could it be that this is in spite of their 'achievements'?[/p][/quote]Given the moanerati are always telling us B&H has been ruined and is now a ghost town due to the Greens, it is only logical that the Greens take credit for helping to make the city more popular and for the improving local economy.[/p][/quote]@HJarrs - isn't it about time you found a new insult. Of course it is only 'logical' that the greens have to take credit for anything positive and pass the blame for anything negative.[/p][/quote]Seems reasonable to me, but let's not forget that people like yourself have been crying wolf since the Greens got in. 2013 figures include the building and completing of several cycle routes that we were told would result in disaster.[/p][/quote]@HJarrs - and you count building cycle routes as a success - for who? You (and the rest of the irresponsible ideological greens) are totally deluded! So how well are the OSR lanes used? What about Lewes Road? And I wonder how well the up hill Edward Street one will be used? Do you think this actually helped increase overnight hotel bookings? Did the visitors come to Brighton & Hove by bicycle? Please provide some real before and after statistics to back up your assertions together with the original success criteria rather than spinning as usual. Seems the green are willing to spend, spend, spend on vanity projects and then desperately try to find something to show it worked afterwards.[/p][/quote]All on the council website patchy. Look it up yourself. We were told that the cycle routes would lead to loss of business and tourists. This has not been the case. There is not the strong economic link between private car traffic and the economy that my moanerati friends would have us believe. To the future, the city needs to gear up as a destination for 2018 when the trIns start running to Cambridge and capacity is increased. The ongoing improvements around Brighton Station are a start, but more will need to be done at Hove and Brighton.[/p][/quote]@HJarrs - ah! your humorous rearrangement of my name and use of the moanerati term - you really are an excellent advert for the greens! You say that we have been crying wolf since the greens got in - no - it started as a slight loathing but turned into a distinct hatred as we discovered how ideologically incompetent they were. So cycle lanes have increased hotel bookings to Brighton? Round objects! Looking forward to my trin ride! The non-environmental pinko greens (read your manifesto!) will be well gone by 2018 so who cares what you/they think. Remember everyone - make sure you use your vote in the forthcoming elections - and make sure you vote for ANY party except green.[/p][/quote]Sorry Patchy, but I don't claim that introducing a few cycle lanes has increased hotel bookings, the point is that they have far from put people off visiting the city, which is precisely opposite what you and your moanerati chums have been predicting. Inconvenient, I know, but true. HJarrs
  • Score: -2

3:57pm Fri 9 May 14

pachallis says...

@HJarrs - no - you can not make the statement that cycle lanes have not put people off coming to the city. You can only state that hotel occupancy increased in 2013. How much of this is due to work by the hoteliers? How much did hotel occupancy increase in the other locations in the top 20?

It could be that hotel occupancy might have increased even more had the cycle lanes not been introduced? Perhaps hotel guests will suffer queues to get to their hotels anyway. And what about day trippers?

But of course, if you are looking for a spin - ask the greens!

What do shops, bars, cafes and restaurants say about business in 2013 compared to 2012? And please don't come up with the chestnut that Brighton and Hove has done better than Hastings and Bognor Regis and then not providing any real evidence - talk about setting your expectations low!
@HJarrs - no - you can not make the statement that cycle lanes have not put people off coming to the city. You can only state that hotel occupancy increased in 2013. How much of this is due to work by the hoteliers? How much did hotel occupancy increase in the other locations in the top 20? It could be that hotel occupancy might have increased even more had the cycle lanes not been introduced? Perhaps hotel guests will suffer queues to get to their hotels anyway. And what about day trippers? But of course, if you are looking for a spin - ask the greens! What do shops, bars, cafes and restaurants say about business in 2013 compared to 2012? And please don't come up with the chestnut that Brighton and Hove has done better than Hastings and Bognor Regis and then not providing any real evidence - talk about setting your expectations low! pachallis
  • Score: 2

4:24pm Fri 9 May 14

tez1959 says...

that figure was only the people who rode into brighton on cycles the greens forbid cars as you all know get em out sooner the better
that figure was only the people who rode into brighton on cycles the greens forbid cars as you all know get em out sooner the better tez1959
  • Score: 2

5:15pm Fri 9 May 14

HJarrs says...

pachallis wrote:
@HJarrs - no - you can not make the statement that cycle lanes have not put people off coming to the city. You can only state that hotel occupancy increased in 2013. How much of this is due to work by the hoteliers? How much did hotel occupancy increase in the other locations in the top 20?

It could be that hotel occupancy might have increased even more had the cycle lanes not been introduced? Perhaps hotel guests will suffer queues to get to their hotels anyway. And what about day trippers?

But of course, if you are looking for a spin - ask the greens!

What do shops, bars, cafes and restaurants say about business in 2013 compared to 2012? And please don't come up with the chestnut that Brighton and Hove has done better than Hastings and Bognor Regis and then not providing any real evidence - talk about setting your expectations low!
I actually think the decent weather was the biggest factor.

You don't like it do you? The moaners have desperately tried to talk the city down "ruined", "a ghost town" etc but here we have yet more factual evidence that this is nothing but nonsense and the city is doing comparatively well. As for business generally, the unemployment rate has been coming down ahead of the national trend and hardly a week goes by when another major investment in the city is made. I bet B&H is doing way better than Bognor and Hastings.
[quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: @HJarrs - no - you can not make the statement that cycle lanes have not put people off coming to the city. You can only state that hotel occupancy increased in 2013. How much of this is due to work by the hoteliers? How much did hotel occupancy increase in the other locations in the top 20? It could be that hotel occupancy might have increased even more had the cycle lanes not been introduced? Perhaps hotel guests will suffer queues to get to their hotels anyway. And what about day trippers? But of course, if you are looking for a spin - ask the greens! What do shops, bars, cafes and restaurants say about business in 2013 compared to 2012? And please don't come up with the chestnut that Brighton and Hove has done better than Hastings and Bognor Regis and then not providing any real evidence - talk about setting your expectations low![/p][/quote]I actually think the decent weather was the biggest factor. You don't like it do you? The moaners have desperately tried to talk the city down "ruined", "a ghost town" etc but here we have yet more factual evidence that this is nothing but nonsense and the city is doing comparatively well. As for business generally, the unemployment rate has been coming down ahead of the national trend and hardly a week goes by when another major investment in the city is made. I bet B&H is doing way better than Bognor and Hastings. HJarrs
  • Score: 2

6:56pm Fri 9 May 14

Fercri Sakes says...

I think it's time to name and shame the commenters on here that are always telling us the Greens have turned this place into a Ghost Town. Seems they've been talking out their rear ends for the last few years.

So Nick Brat, Plantprat, Fight_Whack, BornInBrighton1868, Phoni Tikkala, Brighton vice, Martha Grunt, Somethingsarealwaysw
rong, Maxwell's Boast please take a bow. Time to grab a plate of humble pie and maybe tuck into your hats.

Seems like the tourist industry isn't on it's knees as you keep telling us. Brighton is surpassing its seaside neighbours during this financial crisis. And all with a "loony lefty, anti-business, tree-hugging, anti-car, marxist, stalinist, trotskyist" party in control that is "killing our city".

God help us if the selfish muppets you vote for actually win the council elections next year.
I think it's time to name and shame the commenters on here that are always telling us the Greens have turned this place into a Ghost Town. Seems they've been talking out their rear ends for the last few years. So Nick Brat, Plantprat, Fight_Whack, BornInBrighton1868, Phoni Tikkala, Brighton vice, Martha Grunt, Somethingsarealwaysw rong, Maxwell's Boast please take a bow. Time to grab a plate of humble pie and maybe tuck into your hats. Seems like the tourist industry isn't on it's knees as you keep telling us. Brighton is surpassing its seaside neighbours during this financial crisis. And all with a "loony lefty, anti-business, tree-hugging, anti-car, marxist, stalinist, trotskyist" party in control that is "killing our city". God help us if the selfish muppets you vote for actually win the council elections next year. Fercri Sakes
  • Score: 3

7:18pm Fri 9 May 14

pachallis says...

@Fercri Sakes - well you need to compare the rose coloured views of yourself, HJarrs and Eugenius of the failings of the green 'led' council versus that of what the moanarati such as myself have suffered over the past 4 years.

I won't go through the list but at the end of the day it will be up to the voters to decide how well you have done, the effect on the city, and what you are promising for the future.

The way that the greens are turning into the pinks and dropping their environmental roots to become a re-hash of old labour of the 60s won't go unnoticed.
@Fercri Sakes - well you need to compare the rose coloured views of yourself, HJarrs and Eugenius of the failings of the green 'led' council versus that of what the moanarati such as myself have suffered over the past 4 years. I won't go through the list but at the end of the day it will be up to the voters to decide how well you have done, the effect on the city, and what you are promising for the future. The way that the greens are turning into the pinks and dropping their environmental roots to become a re-hash of old labour of the 60s won't go unnoticed. pachallis
  • Score: 0

8:02pm Fri 9 May 14

thevoiceoftruth says...

I just threw my Green Party election leaflet in the bin. Usually I recycle, but not for them. I pondered over the fact that I although I am probably one of their ideal target voters, I could never elect them due to my experiences living under 'Green rule' in Brighton. I think the Greens will do quite well in places they have never been elected. Unfortunately, in Brighton they have acted like they are in charge of the student union.

I don't think the Greens have ruined Brighton - but they have made it more difficult and expensive for both residents and visitors (in terms of parking, getting around etc). And their support for the i360 shows they are not fit to govern.
I just threw my Green Party election leaflet in the bin. Usually I recycle, but not for them. I pondered over the fact that I although I am probably one of their ideal target voters, I could never elect them due to my experiences living under 'Green rule' in Brighton. I think the Greens will do quite well in places they have never been elected. Unfortunately, in Brighton they have acted like they are in charge of the student union. I don't think the Greens have ruined Brighton - but they have made it more difficult and expensive for both residents and visitors (in terms of parking, getting around etc). And their support for the i360 shows they are not fit to govern. thevoiceoftruth
  • Score: 7

10:52pm Fri 9 May 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

The Council is allowing hotel guests to park cars for free all weekend in the norton road car park as a trial to boost tourism.
The £25 daily parking charge added to the high cost of a stay in the city would put me off and public transport for more than one person is very expensive and a dreadful service at weekends due to the necessity of engineering to be done off peak.
The council has no choice but to accept cars into the city as unfortunately public transport costs are very high.
I paid £53 yesterday for a day return to London. Last week it cost me £140 return to Bristol. British Airways were offering flights to Barcelona for £35 and you get a drink and sandwich.
The Council is allowing hotel guests to park cars for free all weekend in the norton road car park as a trial to boost tourism. The £25 daily parking charge added to the high cost of a stay in the city would put me off and public transport for more than one person is very expensive and a dreadful service at weekends due to the necessity of engineering to be done off peak. The council has no choice but to accept cars into the city as unfortunately public transport costs are very high. I paid £53 yesterday for a day return to London. Last week it cost me £140 return to Bristol. British Airways were offering flights to Barcelona for £35 and you get a drink and sandwich. Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: 5

5:34pm Sun 11 May 14

Fairfax Aches says...

Tourists? Turn the hoses on the lot of them!
Tourists? Turn the hoses on the lot of them! Fairfax Aches
  • Score: -1

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