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Forum on how to tackle illegal cigarettes and tobacco

The Argus: Jacqui Gracey of the Association of Convenience Stores, left, reporter Ben Leo and Mark Yexley of JTI Jacqui Gracey of the Association of Convenience Stores, left, reporter Ben Leo and Mark Yexley of JTI

Dozens of people shared ideas on how to tackle the illegal cigarette and tobacco trade.

Industry figures, Argus reporter Ben Leo and HMRC representatives met at the Hilton Brighton Metropole last Friday to discuss the illicit market.

The forum, also attended by MP for Brighton Kemptown Simon Kirby, saw suggestions for HMRC to plough more money into advertising campaigns highlighting the cause and effect of fake tobacco and cigarettes.

The event was held following this newspaper’s Don’t Be Tempted campaign, which highlighted the damaging effect fake tobacco has on local traders, the economy and health.

Currently the Government estimates it loses £2.2 billion a year though the trade.

Brighton trader Navin Patel, of the National Federation of Retail Newsagents, expressed concern about Government proposals on plain packaging.

He said: “It is going to make the retailers’ life miserable and one of living hell. We feel the respective authorities should act quickly on these issues and try and contain the worsening situation.

“I’m requesting all members to write to their MPs showing their concerns about the illegal tobacco trade, which is going to flourish even more if the introduction of plain packaging goes ahead as planned, coupled with other EU tobacco directives.”

Mark Yexley, of Japan Tobacco International (JTI), said: “The forum was a great platform to highlight the impact on the community and that the selling and buying of cheap illegal cigarettes and tobacco is not a victimless crime.

“It is illegal and criminals need to be stopped. JTI is proud to be taking a lead on this issue.”

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12:38pm Sat 10 May 14

Number Six says...

I would have thought that illegal alcohol was far more serious than fags
I would have thought that illegal alcohol was far more serious than fags Number Six
  • Score: 4

1:12pm Sat 10 May 14

clivedes48 says...

Unfortunately the continuing trend of excessive tax on tobacco and cigarettes is fuelling the trade in illegal cigarettes and tobacco along with the rising sale of illegal alcohol .any everyday item which has an excessive tax and or vat charge is liable to abuse. petrol,diesel cigarettes alcohol electricity building works, dvds,are becoming a haven for the income of smugglers,fraudsters
,and conmen.all they are doing is releaving the Government of its own greed.
Unfortunately the continuing trend of excessive tax on tobacco and cigarettes is fuelling the trade in illegal cigarettes and tobacco along with the rising sale of illegal alcohol .any everyday item which has an excessive tax and or vat charge is liable to abuse. petrol,diesel cigarettes alcohol electricity building works, dvds,are becoming a haven for the income of smugglers,fraudsters ,and conmen.all they are doing is releaving the Government of its own greed. clivedes48
  • Score: 16

1:37pm Sat 10 May 14

rogerthefish says...

If it was that big a problem why not the tobacco companies have there own deliveries ?
If it was that big a problem why not the tobacco companies have there own deliveries ? rogerthefish
  • Score: -1

2:46pm Sat 10 May 14

edgelow says...

The only real victims in this are the cretins addicted to cigarettes and alcohol in the first place. The real cost is in people who've lost loved ones or been damaged by illnesses caused by these awful drugs. The government should be doing all it can to prevent the cretins getting addicted.... but then again we've all got to die.
The only real victims in this are the cretins addicted to cigarettes and alcohol in the first place. The real cost is in people who've lost loved ones or been damaged by illnesses caused by these awful drugs. The government should be doing all it can to prevent the cretins getting addicted.... but then again we've all got to die. edgelow
  • Score: -11

4:03pm Sat 10 May 14

firemanste says...

i used to be one of the people bringing them into britain.it ruined my marriage as my partner thought i was having an affair i was away from home that long.the money was worth the risk of jail it was that good.but losing my wife wasnt and that was the only down side.monitor multiple trips abroad on a central computer.then filter legal workers.slowly yous catch people who do what i used to do
i used to be one of the people bringing them into britain.it ruined my marriage as my partner thought i was having an affair i was away from home that long.the money was worth the risk of jail it was that good.but losing my wife wasnt and that was the only down side.monitor multiple trips abroad on a central computer.then filter legal workers.slowly yous catch people who do what i used to do firemanste
  • Score: 1

4:55pm Sat 10 May 14

menowhere says...

JTI again. they seem to be a regular argus feature
JTI again. they seem to be a regular argus feature menowhere
  • Score: 2

6:35pm Sat 10 May 14

BenUk says...

Take off the tax and reduce the price, Simples! The government moaning there not making the money from it, greedy money grabbers, some parts of asia a packet of marlboro is only £1 or pall mall 40p
Take off the tax and reduce the price, Simples! The government moaning there not making the money from it, greedy money grabbers, some parts of asia a packet of marlboro is only £1 or pall mall 40p BenUk
  • Score: 4

7:34pm Sat 10 May 14

rolivan says...

BenUk wrote:
Take off the tax and reduce the price, Simples! The government moaning there not making the money from it, greedy money grabbers, some parts of asia a packet of marlboro is only £1 or pall mall 40p
If they reduce the tax those that do not smoke then pay even more towards NHS costs when those that smoke need treatment . It should be banned altogether however the Tobacco Companies will not allow it.
[quote][p][bold]BenUk[/bold] wrote: Take off the tax and reduce the price, Simples! The government moaning there not making the money from it, greedy money grabbers, some parts of asia a packet of marlboro is only £1 or pall mall 40p[/p][/quote]If they reduce the tax those that do not smoke then pay even more towards NHS costs when those that smoke need treatment . It should be banned altogether however the Tobacco Companies will not allow it. rolivan
  • Score: -1

8:21pm Sat 10 May 14

Morpheus says...

The way to stop the illegal trade is to reduce the tax on the legal trade. The government is only concerned about the lost tax and nothing else.
The way to stop the illegal trade is to reduce the tax on the legal trade. The government is only concerned about the lost tax and nothing else. Morpheus
  • Score: 9

9:24pm Sat 10 May 14

Max Ripple says...

Horse and Groom. Every Friday. 5.30pm. Get yer dodgy tobacco and fags.
Horse and Groom. Every Friday. 5.30pm. Get yer dodgy tobacco and fags. Max Ripple
  • Score: -1

10:52pm Sat 10 May 14

greeg2 says...

rolivan wrote:
BenUk wrote:
Take off the tax and reduce the price, Simples! The government moaning there not making the money from it, greedy money grabbers, some parts of asia a packet of marlboro is only £1 or pall mall 40p
If they reduce the tax those that do not smoke then pay even more towards NHS costs when those that smoke need treatment . It should be banned altogether however the Tobacco Companies will not allow it.
Smoking can't be banned,in the same way that people talking garbage can't be banned.Listen,some statistician worked out that if there was no tax from tobacco,the basic rate of income tax would have to go up by 7p in the £ to make up the revenue shortfall .If you're up for that you're the only one,or on the dole.
[quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BenUk[/bold] wrote: Take off the tax and reduce the price, Simples! The government moaning there not making the money from it, greedy money grabbers, some parts of asia a packet of marlboro is only £1 or pall mall 40p[/p][/quote]If they reduce the tax those that do not smoke then pay even more towards NHS costs when those that smoke need treatment . It should be banned altogether however the Tobacco Companies will not allow it.[/p][/quote]Smoking can't be banned,in the same way that people talking garbage can't be banned.Listen,some statistician worked out that if there was no tax from tobacco,the basic rate of income tax would have to go up by 7p in the £ to make up the revenue shortfall .If you're up for that you're the only one,or on the dole. greeg2
  • Score: 3

10:10am Sun 11 May 14

cleggandbacon says...

I'm more concernrd with MP's fiddling their expenses and some big companies using loop-holes to avoid paying billions of ££££'s in tax.
Let's have a forum on this.
I'm more concernrd with MP's fiddling their expenses and some big companies using loop-holes to avoid paying billions of ££££'s in tax. Let's have a forum on this. cleggandbacon
  • Score: 12

10:38am Sun 11 May 14

mimseycal says...

I am the first to hold by the rule of law. I indicate when turning even when there is no one behind me. I always stop at a red light, even if there is no traffic coming my way. I take my litter to the nearest bin or home. I've once travelled all the way back to London when I realised that I had inadvertently forgotten to pay for something. But I wouldn't bat an eyelid at buying tobacco that hasn't been taxed to the hilt by this government.

Reasonable taxation is one thing. Greed is another!
I am the first to hold by the rule of law. I indicate when turning even when there is no one behind me. I always stop at a red light, even if there is no traffic coming my way. I take my litter to the nearest bin or home. I've once travelled all the way back to London when I realised that I had inadvertently forgotten to pay for something. But I wouldn't bat an eyelid at buying tobacco that hasn't been taxed to the hilt by this government. Reasonable taxation is one thing. Greed is another! mimseycal
  • Score: 5

11:29am Sun 11 May 14

rolivan says...

greeg2 wrote:
rolivan wrote:
BenUk wrote:
Take off the tax and reduce the price, Simples! The government moaning there not making the money from it, greedy money grabbers, some parts of asia a packet of marlboro is only £1 or pall mall 40p
If they reduce the tax those that do not smoke then pay even more towards NHS costs when those that smoke need treatment . It should be banned altogether however the Tobacco Companies will not allow it.
Smoking can't be banned,in the same way that people talking garbage can't be banned.Listen,some statistician worked out that if there was no tax from tobacco,the basic rate of income tax would have to go up by 7p in the £ to make up the revenue shortfall .If you're up for that you're the only one,or on the dole.
Did that same statistician also say how much it costs the NHS per year in smoking related illnesses.
[quote][p][bold]greeg2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BenUk[/bold] wrote: Take off the tax and reduce the price, Simples! The government moaning there not making the money from it, greedy money grabbers, some parts of asia a packet of marlboro is only £1 or pall mall 40p[/p][/quote]If they reduce the tax those that do not smoke then pay even more towards NHS costs when those that smoke need treatment . It should be banned altogether however the Tobacco Companies will not allow it.[/p][/quote]Smoking can't be banned,in the same way that people talking garbage can't be banned.Listen,some statistician worked out that if there was no tax from tobacco,the basic rate of income tax would have to go up by 7p in the £ to make up the revenue shortfall .If you're up for that you're the only one,or on the dole.[/p][/quote]Did that same statistician also say how much it costs the NHS per year in smoking related illnesses. rolivan
  • Score: -2

11:59am Sun 11 May 14

Number Six says...

greeg2 wrote:
rolivan wrote:
BenUk wrote:
Take off the tax and reduce the price, Simples! The government moaning there not making the money from it, greedy money grabbers, some parts of asia a packet of marlboro is only £1 or pall mall 40p
If they reduce the tax those that do not smoke then pay even more towards NHS costs when those that smoke need treatment . It should be banned altogether however the Tobacco Companies will not allow it.
Smoking can't be banned,in the same way that people talking garbage can't be banned.Listen,some statistician worked out that if there was no tax from tobacco,the basic rate of income tax would have to go up by 7p in the £ to make up the revenue shortfall .If you're up for that you're the only one,or on the dole.
Except that the whole point of this thread is about people not paying tax on tobacco so you will end up with the same costs to the NHS but with less revenue coming in. And of course you van make tobacco illegal just as some drugs are illegal, or the Prohibition era in the US. I'm not saying it woild be popular, or easy to enforce but it's perfectly possible. Anyway, all smokers stink. I didn't realise what a foul smelling individual I was until I packed it in. Nothing worse that an ex-smoker, is there? (Sits back and waits for the thumbs down to go up faster than a rocket)
[quote][p][bold]greeg2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BenUk[/bold] wrote: Take off the tax and reduce the price, Simples! The government moaning there not making the money from it, greedy money grabbers, some parts of asia a packet of marlboro is only £1 or pall mall 40p[/p][/quote]If they reduce the tax those that do not smoke then pay even more towards NHS costs when those that smoke need treatment . It should be banned altogether however the Tobacco Companies will not allow it.[/p][/quote]Smoking can't be banned,in the same way that people talking garbage can't be banned.Listen,some statistician worked out that if there was no tax from tobacco,the basic rate of income tax would have to go up by 7p in the £ to make up the revenue shortfall .If you're up for that you're the only one,or on the dole.[/p][/quote]Except that the whole point of this thread is about people not paying tax on tobacco so you will end up with the same costs to the NHS but with less revenue coming in. And of course you van make tobacco illegal just as some drugs are illegal, or the Prohibition era in the US. I'm not saying it woild be popular, or easy to enforce but it's perfectly possible. Anyway, all smokers stink. I didn't realise what a foul smelling individual I was until I packed it in. Nothing worse that an ex-smoker, is there? (Sits back and waits for the thumbs down to go up faster than a rocket) Number Six
  • Score: 0

2:28pm Sun 11 May 14

mimseycal says...

Is the taxation levied on tobacco, and its derivatives, ring-fenced for the NHS? Cause if it isn't bringing up the costs to the cash strapped NHS is about as relevant as the cost of gritters is to a desert community.
Is the taxation levied on tobacco, and its derivatives, ring-fenced for the NHS? Cause if it isn't bringing up the costs to the cash strapped NHS is about as relevant as the cost of gritters is to a desert community. mimseycal
  • Score: 1

5:54pm Sun 11 May 14

wippasnapper says...

Why reduce Staffing levels if there is a problem why not instead of plough more money into advertising why not put more into Staffing levels to help tackle the problem but o’ no lets spend, spend, spend on useless posters et that no one ever takes notes of.
Why reduce Staffing levels if there is a problem why not instead of plough more money into advertising why not put more into Staffing levels to help tackle the problem but o’ no lets spend, spend, spend on useless posters et that no one ever takes notes of. wippasnapper
  • Score: 4

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