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Hundreds of Brighton students investigated for cheating

The Argus: Hundreds of Brighton students investigated for cheating Hundreds of Brighton students investigated for cheating

Anyone who has been to university will understand the time and effort needed to write lengthy dissertations and essays as part of their degree course.

Often months of commitment of researching and writing means any chance of a social life is blown out the water. Anxious students embark on so called “all nighters” to get the job done while a Saturday night out with friends is shunned for an evening of knuckling down into an 8,000-word thesis.

But increasingly students are now turning to their wallets to get their hands on academic work. An ever-growing number of online essay and dissertation writing services are luring students into parting with hundreds of pounds each in exchange for bespoke, tailor-made coursework.

A quick search online will reveal a firm called Oxbridge Essays – one of the most popular ghost-writing services available to hundreds of thousands of university students across the country.

The company offers custom-made undergraduate and master’s degree essays for between £100 and £20,000 – all “custom written by academics from leading UK universities” – which is guaranteed to be the standard of a first or a 2:1.

The firm describes itself as the “UK's largest and leading provider of guaranteed Upper 1st, 1st Class and 2:1 essays and dissertations” with all subjects from Airline and Airport Management to Forensic Chemistry catered for.

Students wanting to buy a 10,000 word essay, for example, will be required to hand over around £500.

Oxbridge Essays boasts that its service “provides model examples of academic research that are intended to be used by clients as inspiration for their own work”.

A section on its website asks: “Is it cheating?” to which it responds: “Ordering a model essay or dissertation does not make you a cheat. In fact, it usually shows that you are a hard-working and conscientious student.

“When used correctly, our model essays and dissertations are meant to be 'learning aids' which students use to improve their understanding of their university materials.

“In this sense, our essays are like private tutorials where the tutor shows you exactly how to answer the particular question that you discuss together.

“As long as you use our work in the correct way, you are not cheating by ordering from us.”

Despite the guidelines, an Argus investigation has discovered 1,382 students at the University of Sussex and the University of Brighton have been investigated for cheating - otherwise known as “academic misconduct” – since 2010.

Since the start of the 2011 academic year, the University of Sussex logged a total of 561 cases of academic misconduct. More than 60% of those cases, 351, were for plagiarism.

The figures include the most recent statistics since September last year, where bosses at the Falmer establishment were alerted to 116 individual cases.

Nearly 20% of all plagiarised work at the University of Sussex came from media and film students, followed by 11% from the Informatics department – which includes computer sciences.

Students from law, maths, English, history, sciences, business management and other courses were also caught with plagiarised work.

However, The Argus spoke to one law student who used an online essay writing service and got away with it.

The student told how she paid £250 for a 1,500 word answer.

Wanting to keep her identity anonymous, she said: “With seven vital essays due in a tight deadline it kept me awake at night.

“Whilst I generally enjoyed my legal studies, this was a subject that I had never come to terms with. A strong resistance had set in at the mere mention of that subject. Suffice to say that during lectures I could well have been a visitor from another planet.

“I had no qualms about going online to shop for a prolonged answer.”

Asked whether she felt guilty about cheating, she said: “Such was my urgent need that I didn't feel guilty. I knew I had to be ruthless to be kind to myself. The other six essays had been duly completed and this subject was the only stumbling block to my becoming an honest, qualified woman of the law.

“There were many sellers out there, probably hard-up past and present students. I don't know about the takers as I never discussed my little secret with anyone.”

The student is now a practicing solicitor in Sussex and said she was “relieved” to have got away with buying an essay online but found the whole process “far too easy”.

The University of Sussex says it prevents academic misconduct through “educating students in appropriate academic conduct” and that “all cases must be seriously considered”.

However its policy states that students caught plagiarising work “will not be penalised where a previous occurrence has not taken place”.

Instead, it says, students will be given “feedback and offered the opportunity to attend an academic practice workshop provided the student is not in the final stage of an undergraduate course or the misconduct is not on the dissertation or project of a postgraduate course”.

A spokesman from the university said the number of instances of academic misconduct was decreasing “year on year”.

He said: “In this digital age, when students have access to so many rich sources of information at their fingertips, all universities will from time to time have to handle cases of plagiarism or other academic misconduct.

“Some offences are serious but in many cases students simply fail to adequately reference somebody else’s work.

“The introduction of two simple, additional measures has led to the number of cases of academic misconduct more than halving over the past two years.

“Firstly, we introduced Turnitin - an online ‘text matching’ tool - for all students, giving them the opportunity to check their work and their referencing before they submit it.

“Our examiners and assessors also use Turnitin to check students’ work for plagiarism. We also began offering students workshops in academic practice.

“This proactive and supportive approach is paying off. The number of cases of academic misconduct is falling even as our student population increases.”

Turnitin is believed to cost universities around £8,000 year to run. But when The Argus posed as a student looking to buy an essay from uk.bestessays.com, we were told programmes like Turnitin would not pick up any essays brought from the website as they were “100% original and bespoke”.

At the University of Brighton, a total of 821 students have been involved in cases of academic misconduct since the start of the 2010/2011 academic year.

The way the university recorded the cases differed to the University of Sussex. It did not distinguish which subjects the students were studying but did break down the annual figures by “major” and “minor” cases. It recorded 434 major and 387 minor cases.

Phil Mills, a spokesman for the University of Brighton, said its interpretation of academic misconduct “mainly referred to poor academic practice where the student has incorrectly referenced a source or has forgotten to reference the work altogether”.

He added: “Half of these minor misconduct cases concern students in their first year and we pick up on problems at the earliest opportunity to help them apply the highest standards of academic integrity and to ensure they do not repeat the mistakes.

“All suspicions are taken to a major panel so we can properly find out what happened. Sometimes there is a reasonable explanation such as an apparent collusion between students that was, in fact, a shared project, or there are compelling mitigating circumstances which were undisclosed. Each case is examined thoroughly.”

Mr Mills said that the instances of intentional cheating at the University of Brighton were “very low indeed” and that 99% percent of all students do not experience any problems with “poor academic practice or misconduct”.

He added: “And we make it clear to all students that we deplore the use of essay-writing services and stress that we are vigilant in detecting stylistic differences which may suggest work was not originated by the student.”

Despite the apparent crackdowns on plagiarism and cheating by university chiefs, uk.bestessays.com claimed to have completed more than 440 orders yesterday alone.

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5:54am Thu 15 May 14

rogerthefish says...

So that explains why our Students are so thick, cheating will not help them in the long run and I imagine that only a small percentage are caught cut n pasting, strange that despite the apparent crackdowns on plagiarism and cheating by university chiefs, uk.bestessays.com claimed to have completed more than 440 orders yesterday alone.
So that explains why our Students are so thick, cheating will not help them in the long run and I imagine that only a small percentage are caught cut n pasting, strange that despite the apparent crackdowns on plagiarism and cheating by university chiefs, uk.bestessays.com claimed to have completed more than 440 orders yesterday alone. rogerthefish
  • Score: 13

8:12am Thu 15 May 14

twosugars says...

So thats how they find the time to attend all these protest marches.
So thats how they find the time to attend all these protest marches. twosugars
  • Score: 11

9:01am Thu 15 May 14

spa301 says...

Perhaps they cheated at the last council election too? Can we demand a recount as the Greens may have been elected by default?
Perhaps they cheated at the last council election too? Can we demand a recount as the Greens may have been elected by default? spa301
  • Score: 9

10:28am Thu 15 May 14

Simplot Headrush says...

Actually most students work incredibly hard, more so than when I was at Uni!

I mark hundreds of essays a year for a local University, and blatant cheating is incredibly rare. The main problem is it is so hard to do anything about, an under performing student will suddenly produce a work of staggering genius and if bought a bespoke piece of work then it can't be tracked. Who are we to say it isn't there work? So we're stuck, can't prove anything was out of place.

It isn't just a question of "copying and pasteing" though, if they are daft enough to do that from the or even from essays submitted at other Unis - TurnItIn lights up red and we can have a word and make them re-write it (or just fail them for final year work).
Actually most students work incredibly hard, more so than when I was at Uni! I mark hundreds of essays a year for a local University, and blatant cheating is incredibly rare. The main problem is it is so hard to do anything about, an under performing student will suddenly produce a work of staggering genius and if bought a bespoke piece of work then it can't be tracked. Who are we to say it isn't there work? So we're stuck, can't prove anything was out of place. It isn't just a question of "copying and pasteing" though, if they are daft enough to do that from the or even from essays submitted at other Unis - TurnItIn lights up red and we can have a word and make them re-write it (or just fail them for final year work). Simplot Headrush
  • Score: 2

10:57am Thu 15 May 14

edgelow says...

Simplot Headrush wrote:
Actually most students work incredibly hard, more so than when I was at Uni!

I mark hundreds of essays a year for a local University, and blatant cheating is incredibly rare. The main problem is it is so hard to do anything about, an under performing student will suddenly produce a work of staggering genius and if bought a bespoke piece of work then it can't be tracked. Who are we to say it isn't there work? So we're stuck, can't prove anything was out of place.

It isn't just a question of "copying and pasteing" though, if they are daft enough to do that from the or even from essays submitted at other Unis - TurnItIn lights up red and we can have a word and make them re-write it (or just fail them for final year work).
'there' work and 'copying and pasteing'
you can't even spell 'there' in the right context properly, and you claim to mark papers....... I can smell something and it isn't the fragrant smell of roses.
Students are vermin
Students are scum
They're not even fit
To wipe 'their' bum
[quote][p][bold]Simplot Headrush[/bold] wrote: Actually most students work incredibly hard, more so than when I was at Uni! I mark hundreds of essays a year for a local University, and blatant cheating is incredibly rare. The main problem is it is so hard to do anything about, an under performing student will suddenly produce a work of staggering genius and if bought a bespoke piece of work then it can't be tracked. Who are we to say it isn't there work? So we're stuck, can't prove anything was out of place. It isn't just a question of "copying and pasteing" though, if they are daft enough to do that from the or even from essays submitted at other Unis - TurnItIn lights up red and we can have a word and make them re-write it (or just fail them for final year work).[/p][/quote]'there' work and 'copying and pasteing' you can't even spell 'there' in the right context properly, and you claim to mark papers....... I can smell something and it isn't the fragrant smell of roses. Students are vermin Students are scum They're not even fit To wipe 'their' bum edgelow
  • Score: -7

11:04am Thu 15 May 14

mimseycal says...

It was always one of my favourite aspects of University ... writing papers, essays and dissertations. Incredible how it allows you to develop your thinking on an issue, clarify issues and raise other issues you would not have anticipated.

I think the issue is that writing essays and dissertations is a purely academic pursuit. Getting through an exam or pass a benchmark is a vocational pursuit. Those who are looking to the end of the journey will, if pushed, cheat to get there. Those who are concerned with the journey of discovery for its own sake won't.
It was always one of my favourite aspects of University ... writing papers, essays and dissertations. Incredible how it allows you to develop your thinking on an issue, clarify issues and raise other issues you would not have anticipated. I think the issue is that writing essays and dissertations is a purely academic pursuit. Getting through an exam or pass a benchmark is a vocational pursuit. Those who are looking to the end of the journey will, if pushed, cheat to get there. Those who are concerned with the journey of discovery for its own sake won't. mimseycal
  • Score: 7

11:29am Thu 15 May 14

Simplot Headrush says...

edgelow wrote:
Simplot Headrush wrote:
Actually most students work incredibly hard, more so than when I was at Uni!

I mark hundreds of essays a year for a local University, and blatant cheating is incredibly rare. The main problem is it is so hard to do anything about, an under performing student will suddenly produce a work of staggering genius and if bought a bespoke piece of work then it can't be tracked. Who are we to say it isn't there work? So we're stuck, can't prove anything was out of place.

It isn't just a question of "copying and pasteing" though, if they are daft enough to do that from the or even from essays submitted at other Unis - TurnItIn lights up red and we can have a word and make them re-write it (or just fail them for final year work).
'there' work and 'copying and pasteing'
you can't even spell 'there' in the right context properly, and you claim to mark papers....... I can smell something and it isn't the fragrant smell of roses.
Students are vermin
Students are scum
They're not even fit
To wipe 'their' bum
Wow! Is it really your job to mark the Internet? That's pretty important work!

Now, do please rush over to the Guardian comments, someone has used "it's" instead of "its". Up and at 'em sir!
[quote][p][bold]edgelow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Simplot Headrush[/bold] wrote: Actually most students work incredibly hard, more so than when I was at Uni! I mark hundreds of essays a year for a local University, and blatant cheating is incredibly rare. The main problem is it is so hard to do anything about, an under performing student will suddenly produce a work of staggering genius and if bought a bespoke piece of work then it can't be tracked. Who are we to say it isn't there work? So we're stuck, can't prove anything was out of place. It isn't just a question of "copying and pasteing" though, if they are daft enough to do that from the or even from essays submitted at other Unis - TurnItIn lights up red and we can have a word and make them re-write it (or just fail them for final year work).[/p][/quote]'there' work and 'copying and pasteing' you can't even spell 'there' in the right context properly, and you claim to mark papers....... I can smell something and it isn't the fragrant smell of roses. Students are vermin Students are scum They're not even fit To wipe 'their' bum[/p][/quote]Wow! Is it really your job to mark the Internet? That's pretty important work! Now, do please rush over to the Guardian comments, someone has used "it's" instead of "its". Up and at 'em sir! Simplot Headrush
  • Score: -1

12:13pm Thu 15 May 14

Mr chock says...

is this good value Students wanting to buy a 10,000 word essay, for example, will be required to hand over around £500. ?
is this good value Students wanting to buy a 10,000 word essay, for example, will be required to hand over around £500. ? Mr chock
  • Score: 0

12:31pm Thu 15 May 14

NickBrt says...

How on earth can they be expected to find time to study? all those all night parties they must have to hack their sleeping neighbours off, all that noise they have to make, all that dodging cars when they walk in front of them with enormnous headphones on and all those green-championned drugs they have to talk, alongside copious amounts of lager and domino's pizza.
How on earth can they be expected to find time to study? all those all night parties they must have to hack their sleeping neighbours off, all that noise they have to make, all that dodging cars when they walk in front of them with enormnous headphones on and all those green-championned drugs they have to talk, alongside copious amounts of lager and domino's pizza. NickBrt
  • Score: 4

12:56pm Thu 15 May 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

The cheats should be fairly easy to spot, as they'll be the one s who needed remedial maths/English lessons on arrival yet who gain their degree within a couple of years.

This is one of the problems you get when trying to artificially raise the number of people going to Uni. Only the brightest should be going. Anyone else who wants to get on when they have grown up a bit more have a wealth of institutions which will enable them to get qualifications.
The cheats should be fairly easy to spot, as they'll be the one s who needed remedial maths/English lessons on arrival yet who gain their degree within a couple of years. This is one of the problems you get when trying to artificially raise the number of people going to Uni. Only the brightest should be going. Anyone else who wants to get on when they have grown up a bit more have a wealth of institutions which will enable them to get qualifications. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: 5

1:10pm Thu 15 May 14

edgelow says...

Simplot Headrush wrote:
edgelow wrote:
Simplot Headrush wrote:
Actually most students work incredibly hard, more so than when I was at Uni!

I mark hundreds of essays a year for a local University, and blatant cheating is incredibly rare. The main problem is it is so hard to do anything about, an under performing student will suddenly produce a work of staggering genius and if bought a bespoke piece of work then it can't be tracked. Who are we to say it isn't there work? So we're stuck, can't prove anything was out of place.

It isn't just a question of "copying and pasteing" though, if they are daft enough to do that from the or even from essays submitted at other Unis - TurnItIn lights up red and we can have a word and make them re-write it (or just fail them for final year work).
'there' work and 'copying and pasteing'
you can't even spell 'there' in the right context properly, and you claim to mark papers....... I can smell something and it isn't the fragrant smell of roses.
Students are vermin
Students are scum
They're not even fit
To wipe 'their' bum
Wow! Is it really your job to mark the Internet? That's pretty important work!

Now, do please rush over to the Guardian comments, someone has used "it's" instead of "its". Up and at 'em sir!
Someone who can't spell 'their' and 'pasting' is not fit to pass GCSE level, never mind a degree........ why don't you pay someone to submit your contributions?... then you won't look quite such the lying numpty that you are.
[quote][p][bold]Simplot Headrush[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]edgelow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Simplot Headrush[/bold] wrote: Actually most students work incredibly hard, more so than when I was at Uni! I mark hundreds of essays a year for a local University, and blatant cheating is incredibly rare. The main problem is it is so hard to do anything about, an under performing student will suddenly produce a work of staggering genius and if bought a bespoke piece of work then it can't be tracked. Who are we to say it isn't there work? So we're stuck, can't prove anything was out of place. It isn't just a question of "copying and pasteing" though, if they are daft enough to do that from the or even from essays submitted at other Unis - TurnItIn lights up red and we can have a word and make them re-write it (or just fail them for final year work).[/p][/quote]'there' work and 'copying and pasteing' you can't even spell 'there' in the right context properly, and you claim to mark papers....... I can smell something and it isn't the fragrant smell of roses. Students are vermin Students are scum They're not even fit To wipe 'their' bum[/p][/quote]Wow! Is it really your job to mark the Internet? That's pretty important work! Now, do please rush over to the Guardian comments, someone has used "it's" instead of "its". Up and at 'em sir![/p][/quote]Someone who can't spell 'their' and 'pasting' is not fit to pass GCSE level, never mind a degree........ why don't you pay someone to submit your contributions?... then you won't look quite such the lying numpty that you are. edgelow
  • Score: 1

2:29pm Thu 15 May 14

Simplot Headrush says...

edgelow wrote:
Simplot Headrush wrote:
edgelow wrote:
Simplot Headrush wrote:
Actually most students work incredibly hard, more so than when I was at Uni!

I mark hundreds of essays a year for a local University, and blatant cheating is incredibly rare. The main problem is it is so hard to do anything about, an under performing student will suddenly produce a work of staggering genius and if bought a bespoke piece of work then it can't be tracked. Who are we to say it isn't there work? So we're stuck, can't prove anything was out of place.

It isn't just a question of "copying and pasteing" though, if they are daft enough to do that from the or even from essays submitted at other Unis - TurnItIn lights up red and we can have a word and make them re-write it (or just fail them for final year work).
'there' work and 'copying and pasteing'
you can't even spell 'there' in the right context properly, and you claim to mark papers....... I can smell something and it isn't the fragrant smell of roses.
Students are vermin
Students are scum
They're not even fit
To wipe 'their' bum
Wow! Is it really your job to mark the Internet? That's pretty important work!

Now, do please rush over to the Guardian comments, someone has used "it's" instead of "its". Up and at 'em sir!
Someone who can't spell 'their' and 'pasting' is not fit to pass GCSE level, never mind a degree........ why don't you pay someone to submit your contributions?... then you won't look quite such the lying numpty that you are.
U did point dat awt earlyer grand-dad. Woi dunt u go und cumment on de Dailee Male insted 4 a bit ur werk here is dun.

Oi've gut 2 go now. Dem students is wunting da leanin' and oi've goin' 2 do da teachin' 4 dem - by shoutin' und pointin' which is all dey understund!

Boi boi now.
[quote][p][bold]edgelow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Simplot Headrush[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]edgelow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Simplot Headrush[/bold] wrote: Actually most students work incredibly hard, more so than when I was at Uni! I mark hundreds of essays a year for a local University, and blatant cheating is incredibly rare. The main problem is it is so hard to do anything about, an under performing student will suddenly produce a work of staggering genius and if bought a bespoke piece of work then it can't be tracked. Who are we to say it isn't there work? So we're stuck, can't prove anything was out of place. It isn't just a question of "copying and pasteing" though, if they are daft enough to do that from the or even from essays submitted at other Unis - TurnItIn lights up red and we can have a word and make them re-write it (or just fail them for final year work).[/p][/quote]'there' work and 'copying and pasteing' you can't even spell 'there' in the right context properly, and you claim to mark papers....... I can smell something and it isn't the fragrant smell of roses. Students are vermin Students are scum They're not even fit To wipe 'their' bum[/p][/quote]Wow! Is it really your job to mark the Internet? That's pretty important work! Now, do please rush over to the Guardian comments, someone has used "it's" instead of "its". Up and at 'em sir![/p][/quote]Someone who can't spell 'their' and 'pasting' is not fit to pass GCSE level, never mind a degree........ why don't you pay someone to submit your contributions?... then you won't look quite such the lying numpty that you are.[/p][/quote]U did point dat awt earlyer grand-dad. Woi dunt u go und cumment on de Dailee Male insted 4 a bit ur werk here is dun. Oi've gut 2 go now. Dem students is wunting da leanin' and oi've goin' 2 do da teachin' 4 dem - by shoutin' und pointin' which is all dey understund! Boi boi now. Simplot Headrush
  • Score: 1

6:08pm Thu 15 May 14

Bill in Hanover says...

Many Universities are using 'anti-plagiarism' software which compares dissertations against anything held anywhere on the internet and as more and more papers are put online the cut and pasting crew will be found out more easily.
Many Universities are using 'anti-plagiarism' software which compares dissertations against anything held anywhere on the internet and as more and more papers are put online the cut and pasting crew will be found out more easily. Bill in Hanover
  • Score: 1

8:02pm Thu 15 May 14

Mrs Newcastle says...

Simplot Headrush wrote:
edgelow wrote:
Simplot Headrush wrote:
Actually most students work incredibly hard, more so than when I was at Uni!

I mark hundreds of essays a year for a local University, and blatant cheating is incredibly rare. The main problem is it is so hard to do anything about, an under performing student will suddenly produce a work of staggering genius and if bought a bespoke piece of work then it can't be tracked. Who are we to say it isn't there work? So we're stuck, can't prove anything was out of place.

It isn't just a question of "copying and pasteing" though, if they are daft enough to do that from the or even from essays submitted at other Unis - TurnItIn lights up red and we can have a word and make them re-write it (or just fail them for final year work).
'there' work and 'copying and pasteing'
you can't even spell 'there' in the right context properly, and you claim to mark papers....... I can smell something and it isn't the fragrant smell of roses.
Students are vermin
Students are scum
They're not even fit
To wipe 'their' bum
Wow! Is it really your job to mark the Internet? That's pretty important work!

Now, do please rush over to the Guardian comments, someone has used "it's" instead of "its". Up and at 'em sir!
I have spent a lot of time trying to use my empathy skills to work out why i find people who seem to police the internet for spelling mistakes so irritating.I have concluded that they seem focused on small details more than the bigger picture and accuracy seems very important to them.When you’re skilled at picking up on details you tend to notice variations and mistakes, no matter how small they might be. It can be hard to step back from that and see the bigger picture, the overall success in spite of the errors.
[quote][p][bold]Simplot Headrush[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]edgelow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Simplot Headrush[/bold] wrote: Actually most students work incredibly hard, more so than when I was at Uni! I mark hundreds of essays a year for a local University, and blatant cheating is incredibly rare. The main problem is it is so hard to do anything about, an under performing student will suddenly produce a work of staggering genius and if bought a bespoke piece of work then it can't be tracked. Who are we to say it isn't there work? So we're stuck, can't prove anything was out of place. It isn't just a question of "copying and pasteing" though, if they are daft enough to do that from the or even from essays submitted at other Unis - TurnItIn lights up red and we can have a word and make them re-write it (or just fail them for final year work).[/p][/quote]'there' work and 'copying and pasteing' you can't even spell 'there' in the right context properly, and you claim to mark papers....... I can smell something and it isn't the fragrant smell of roses. Students are vermin Students are scum They're not even fit To wipe 'their' bum[/p][/quote]Wow! Is it really your job to mark the Internet? That's pretty important work! Now, do please rush over to the Guardian comments, someone has used "it's" instead of "its". Up and at 'em sir![/p][/quote]I have spent a lot of time trying to use my empathy skills to work out why i find people who seem to police the internet for spelling mistakes so irritating.I have concluded that they seem focused on small details more than the bigger picture and accuracy seems very important to them.When you’re skilled at picking up on details you tend to notice variations and mistakes, no matter how small they might be. It can be hard to step back from that and see the bigger picture, the overall success in spite of the errors. Mrs Newcastle
  • Score: 0

8:52pm Thu 15 May 14

edgelow says...

Mrs Newcastle wrote:
Simplot Headrush wrote:
edgelow wrote:
Simplot Headrush wrote:
Actually most students work incredibly hard, more so than when I was at Uni!

I mark hundreds of essays a year for a local University, and blatant cheating is incredibly rare. The main problem is it is so hard to do anything about, an under performing student will suddenly produce a work of staggering genius and if bought a bespoke piece of work then it can't be tracked. Who are we to say it isn't there work? So we're stuck, can't prove anything was out of place.

It isn't just a question of "copying and pasteing" though, if they are daft enough to do that from the or even from essays submitted at other Unis - TurnItIn lights up red and we can have a word and make them re-write it (or just fail them for final year work).
'there' work and 'copying and pasteing'
you can't even spell 'there' in the right context properly, and you claim to mark papers....... I can smell something and it isn't the fragrant smell of roses.
Students are vermin
Students are scum
They're not even fit
To wipe 'their' bum
Wow! Is it really your job to mark the Internet? That's pretty important work!

Now, do please rush over to the Guardian comments, someone has used "it's" instead of "its". Up and at 'em sir!
I have spent a lot of time trying to use my empathy skills to work out why i find people who seem to police the internet for spelling mistakes so irritating.I have concluded that they seem focused on small details more than the bigger picture and accuracy seems very important to them.When you’re skilled at picking up on details you tend to notice variations and mistakes, no matter how small they might be. It can be hard to step back from that and see the bigger picture, the overall success in spite of the errors.
There's nothing wrong with striving for perfection.... that's what got us to the moon..... and there's no place for numpties like you on such a program........ that's why people like you hate having your faults pointed out... because you were too damned lazy at school to work a little harder and get basic, simple things right till you can do them in your sleep
[quote][p][bold]Mrs Newcastle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Simplot Headrush[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]edgelow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Simplot Headrush[/bold] wrote: Actually most students work incredibly hard, more so than when I was at Uni! I mark hundreds of essays a year for a local University, and blatant cheating is incredibly rare. The main problem is it is so hard to do anything about, an under performing student will suddenly produce a work of staggering genius and if bought a bespoke piece of work then it can't be tracked. Who are we to say it isn't there work? So we're stuck, can't prove anything was out of place. It isn't just a question of "copying and pasteing" though, if they are daft enough to do that from the or even from essays submitted at other Unis - TurnItIn lights up red and we can have a word and make them re-write it (or just fail them for final year work).[/p][/quote]'there' work and 'copying and pasteing' you can't even spell 'there' in the right context properly, and you claim to mark papers....... I can smell something and it isn't the fragrant smell of roses. Students are vermin Students are scum They're not even fit To wipe 'their' bum[/p][/quote]Wow! Is it really your job to mark the Internet? That's pretty important work! Now, do please rush over to the Guardian comments, someone has used "it's" instead of "its". Up and at 'em sir![/p][/quote]I have spent a lot of time trying to use my empathy skills to work out why i find people who seem to police the internet for spelling mistakes so irritating.I have concluded that they seem focused on small details more than the bigger picture and accuracy seems very important to them.When you’re skilled at picking up on details you tend to notice variations and mistakes, no matter how small they might be. It can be hard to step back from that and see the bigger picture, the overall success in spite of the errors.[/p][/quote]There's nothing wrong with striving for perfection.... that's what got us to the moon..... and there's no place for numpties like you on such a program........ that's why people like you hate having your faults pointed out... because you were too damned lazy at school to work a little harder and get basic, simple things right till you can do them in your sleep edgelow
  • Score: -1

9:08am Fri 16 May 14

Simplot Headrush says...

edgelow wrote:
Mrs Newcastle wrote:
Simplot Headrush wrote:
edgelow wrote:
Simplot Headrush wrote:
Actually most students work incredibly hard, more so than when I was at Uni!

I mark hundreds of essays a year for a local University, and blatant cheating is incredibly rare. The main problem is it is so hard to do anything about, an under performing student will suddenly produce a work of staggering genius and if bought a bespoke piece of work then it can't be tracked. Who are we to say it isn't there work? So we're stuck, can't prove anything was out of place.

It isn't just a question of "copying and pasteing" though, if they are daft enough to do that from the or even from essays submitted at other Unis - TurnItIn lights up red and we can have a word and make them re-write it (or just fail them for final year work).
'there' work and 'copying and pasteing'
you can't even spell 'there' in the right context properly, and you claim to mark papers....... I can smell something and it isn't the fragrant smell of roses.
Students are vermin
Students are scum
They're not even fit
To wipe 'their' bum
Wow! Is it really your job to mark the Internet? That's pretty important work!

Now, do please rush over to the Guardian comments, someone has used "it's" instead of "its". Up and at 'em sir!
I have spent a lot of time trying to use my empathy skills to work out why i find people who seem to police the internet for spelling mistakes so irritating.I have concluded that they seem focused on small details more than the bigger picture and accuracy seems very important to them.When you’re skilled at picking up on details you tend to notice variations and mistakes, no matter how small they might be. It can be hard to step back from that and see the bigger picture, the overall success in spite of the errors.
There's nothing wrong with striving for perfection.... that's what got us to the moon..... and there's no place for numpties like you on such a program........ that's why people like you hate having your faults pointed out... because you were too damned lazy at school to work a little harder and get basic, simple things right till you can do them in your sleep
In your final statement you use the work "till", as in "cash till" I have to assume. This simply doesn't make gramatical sense.

Re-read what you wrote and you'll see:
"...and get basic, simple things right till you can do them in your sleep..."

We weren't discussing any form of monetary containment units at this point and I'm afraid that this last sentence is just gibberish.

Please take a cold shower, towel down, sort yourself out and otherwise there's no going to the moon for you!
[quote][p][bold]edgelow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mrs Newcastle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Simplot Headrush[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]edgelow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Simplot Headrush[/bold] wrote: Actually most students work incredibly hard, more so than when I was at Uni! I mark hundreds of essays a year for a local University, and blatant cheating is incredibly rare. The main problem is it is so hard to do anything about, an under performing student will suddenly produce a work of staggering genius and if bought a bespoke piece of work then it can't be tracked. Who are we to say it isn't there work? So we're stuck, can't prove anything was out of place. It isn't just a question of "copying and pasteing" though, if they are daft enough to do that from the or even from essays submitted at other Unis - TurnItIn lights up red and we can have a word and make them re-write it (or just fail them for final year work).[/p][/quote]'there' work and 'copying and pasteing' you can't even spell 'there' in the right context properly, and you claim to mark papers....... I can smell something and it isn't the fragrant smell of roses. Students are vermin Students are scum They're not even fit To wipe 'their' bum[/p][/quote]Wow! Is it really your job to mark the Internet? That's pretty important work! Now, do please rush over to the Guardian comments, someone has used "it's" instead of "its". Up and at 'em sir![/p][/quote]I have spent a lot of time trying to use my empathy skills to work out why i find people who seem to police the internet for spelling mistakes so irritating.I have concluded that they seem focused on small details more than the bigger picture and accuracy seems very important to them.When you’re skilled at picking up on details you tend to notice variations and mistakes, no matter how small they might be. It can be hard to step back from that and see the bigger picture, the overall success in spite of the errors.[/p][/quote]There's nothing wrong with striving for perfection.... that's what got us to the moon..... and there's no place for numpties like you on such a program........ that's why people like you hate having your faults pointed out... because you were too damned lazy at school to work a little harder and get basic, simple things right till you can do them in your sleep[/p][/quote]In your final statement you use the work "till", as in "cash till" I have to assume. This simply doesn't make gramatical sense. Re-read what you wrote and you'll see: "...and get basic, simple things right till you can do them in your sleep..." We weren't discussing any form of monetary containment units at this point and I'm afraid that this last sentence is just gibberish. Please take a cold shower, towel down, sort yourself out and otherwise there's no going to the moon for you! Simplot Headrush
  • Score: 5

1:22pm Fri 16 May 14

edgelow says...

"In your final statement you use the work "till", as in "cash till" I have to assume. This simply doesn't make gramatical sense."
I use the 'work' "till" - I take it you mean 'word'
make 'gramatical' sense - grammatical has 2 m's
'till' is a well known abreviation of 'until'... in use since the 12th C.
You really are a numpty, or as my cockney friends would say, a 'berk'..... as in Berkshire hunt.
"In your final statement you use the work "till", as in "cash till" I have to assume. This simply doesn't make gramatical sense." I use the 'work' "till" - I take it you mean 'word' make 'gramatical' sense - grammatical has 2 m's 'till' is a well known abreviation of 'until'... in use since the 12th C. You really are a numpty, or as my cockney friends would say, a 'berk'..... as in Berkshire hunt. edgelow
  • Score: -2

8:16pm Sat 17 May 14

KarenT says...

University degrees are pretty useless nowadays anyway. More fool them.
University degrees are pretty useless nowadays anyway. More fool them. KarenT
  • Score: 0

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