Green Party rejects millionaire's donation because he is not full UK taxpayer

Green Party rejects millionaire's donation because he is not full UK taxpayer

Green Party rejects millionaire's donation because he is not full UK taxpayer

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The Green Party has rejected a £7,000 donation from one of country’s richest men because he is not a full UK taxpayer.

Antony Tabatznik, who is said to be worth £500 million, had his donation returned because his tax situation did not meet the party’s “strict ethical criteria”.

The donation was permitted under electoral law because Mr Tabatznik is registered to vote in the UK and has a house here.

However, his non-dom tax status means while he pays tax on his UK income, money accrued abroad is out of reach of the taxman.

Caroline Lucas, who is the party’s only Member of Parliament, said the money was returned as soon as his tax situation became clear.

The MP for Brighton Pavilion, said: “I’ve always championed tax and financial transparency and I look forward to a time when the rules on political party funding promote such transparency.”

South African Mr Tabatznik, 66, previously supported the Labour party and gave £5,000 to Tony Blair’s New Labour back in 1998.

However, the pharmaceutical magnate’s son, who worked with the party on sustainability issues, is believed to have persuaded his father to donate the cash to Dr Lucas.

It is understood the donation was made in March and sent back earlier this month.

Mr Tabatznik was named as the 199th richest person in The Sunday Times Rich List at the weekend with an estimated wealth of £500 million.

He recently sold his Stevenage-based Arrow Generics business for $1.75 billion.

The support of a high-profile millionaire and former Labour donor would have been a huge boost for the relatively cash-strapped party ahead of this month’s European elections.

But Dr Lucas explained the decision to reject the money was an easy one.

She said: “The Green Party received a donation from Antony Tabatznik but decided to immediately return the money as soon as it became clear that he has non-domiciled status, and is not a full UK tax-payer.

“The donation was lawful because Mr Tabatznik is registered to vote in the UK, but it did not meet the Green Party’s strict ethical criteria.”

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6:03am Tue 20 May 14

BURIRAM says...

Just shows how silly the Green Party is.
Just shows how silly the Green Party is. BURIRAM
  • Score: -96

6:27am Tue 20 May 14

Take it Personally says...

BURIRAM wrote:
Just shows how silly the Green Party is.
What a really stupid comment
[quote][p][bold]BURIRAM[/bold] wrote: Just shows how silly the Green Party is.[/p][/quote]What a really stupid comment Take it Personally
  • Score: 98

7:01am Tue 20 May 14

hyram77 says...

I can see no reason why they shouldn't have accepted his donation. He is acting within UK tax laws. Probably won't offer again!
I can see no reason why they shouldn't have accepted his donation. He is acting within UK tax laws. Probably won't offer again! hyram77
  • Score: -26

7:03am Tue 20 May 14

HJarrs says...

The Greens have very little in the way of funding and rely upon the enthusiasm and hard work of their supporters. This sum of money would have been very welcome, but well done for rejecting the donation and for not fudging as the other parties would have done.

Labour locally and nationally has accepted big donations from big business and finance, I wonder what their tax affairs are? The Conservatives are of course past masters at selling out for big donations from the tax dodging financial sector and who would be surprised if we find the few super wealthy patriot backers of UKIP are also a bunch of tax dodgers? Not me.
The Greens have very little in the way of funding and rely upon the enthusiasm and hard work of their supporters. This sum of money would have been very welcome, but well done for rejecting the donation and for not fudging as the other parties would have done. Labour locally and nationally has accepted big donations from big business and finance, I wonder what their tax affairs are? The Conservatives are of course past masters at selling out for big donations from the tax dodging financial sector and who would be surprised if we find the few super wealthy patriot backers of UKIP are also a bunch of tax dodgers? Not me. HJarrs
  • Score: 44

7:12am Tue 20 May 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

Hard work and enthusiasm paid for by state benefits, student loans and wealthy husbands funding stay at home ladies to potter about in politics.
Why can't we get our refuse and recycling collected. Do some hard work HJarrs and clear the city up. The graffiti and rubbish is terrible. The seafront is desperate for your enthusiasm.
Hard work and enthusiasm paid for by state benefits, student loans and wealthy husbands funding stay at home ladies to potter about in politics. Why can't we get our refuse and recycling collected. Do some hard work HJarrs and clear the city up. The graffiti and rubbish is terrible. The seafront is desperate for your enthusiasm. Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: 9

7:27am Tue 20 May 14

westpiergone says...

Roll on Thursday,hopefully this shower of sh*t will be gone & Brighton & Hove will be run by somebody who actually cares about the town & its people !
Roll on Thursday,hopefully this shower of sh*t will be gone & Brighton & Hove will be run by somebody who actually cares about the town & its people ! westpiergone
  • Score: -58

7:46am Tue 20 May 14

gheese77 says...

BURIRAM wrote:
Just shows how silly the Green Party is.
Or honest
[quote][p][bold]BURIRAM[/bold] wrote: Just shows how silly the Green Party is.[/p][/quote]Or honest gheese77
  • Score: 42

8:15am Tue 20 May 14

HJarrs says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Hard work and enthusiasm paid for by state benefits, student loans and wealthy husbands funding stay at home ladies to potter about in politics.
Why can't we get our refuse and recycling collected. Do some hard work HJarrs and clear the city up. The graffiti and rubbish is terrible. The seafront is desperate for your enthusiasm.
Struggling there moany Maxwell. Tell us, which bunch of tax dodgers do you vote for? Labour locally have apparently accepted an even bigger donation from a Hedge Fund manager. Says it all really.
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Hard work and enthusiasm paid for by state benefits, student loans and wealthy husbands funding stay at home ladies to potter about in politics. Why can't we get our refuse and recycling collected. Do some hard work HJarrs and clear the city up. The graffiti and rubbish is terrible. The seafront is desperate for your enthusiasm.[/p][/quote]Struggling there moany Maxwell. Tell us, which bunch of tax dodgers do you vote for? Labour locally have apparently accepted an even bigger donation from a Hedge Fund manager. Says it all really. HJarrs
  • Score: -2

9:50am Tue 20 May 14

Andy R says...

westpiergone wrote:
Roll on Thursday,hopefully this shower of sh*t will be gone & Brighton & Hove will be run by somebody who actually cares about the town & its people !
I'll bet you £10k the Greens will still be in power in Brighton and Hove on Friday.
[quote][p][bold]westpiergone[/bold] wrote: Roll on Thursday,hopefully this shower of sh*t will be gone & Brighton & Hove will be run by somebody who actually cares about the town & its people ![/p][/quote]I'll bet you £10k the Greens will still be in power in Brighton and Hove on Friday. Andy R
  • Score: 57

10:17am Tue 20 May 14

Just trying to earn a crust says...

westpiergone wrote:
Roll on Thursday,hopefully this shower of sh*t will be gone & Brighton & Hove will be run by somebody who actually cares about the town & its people !
Of course they'll still 'run' Brighton and Hove. Thursdays election is to elect MEPs. Do try and keep up
[quote][p][bold]westpiergone[/bold] wrote: Roll on Thursday,hopefully this shower of sh*t will be gone & Brighton & Hove will be run by somebody who actually cares about the town & its people ![/p][/quote]Of course they'll still 'run' Brighton and Hove. Thursdays election is to elect MEPs. Do try and keep up Just trying to earn a crust
  • Score: 72

10:20am Tue 20 May 14

pachallis says...

gheese77 wrote:
BURIRAM wrote:
Just shows how silly the Green Party is.
Or honest
Green party honest?

The party that promotes itself as being pro-environment, when it is in fact controlled by the green-left who define themselves as an 'Eco-socialist anti-capitalist current within the Green Party'?

This is confirmed by the green parties manifesto for the forthcoming European elections where there is NO mention of anything relating to environmental causes, and everything relating to anti-capitalist anti-big business and a return to nationalisation and policies of the labour party of the 60s.

And the green-left, who hide in the background, leaving the green-centre to appear as the moderate face of the party, whilst they support viscous protest groups such as the UAF- who themselves evolved from the oxymoron Socialist Workers party?

Perhaps Antony Tabatznik didn’t realise that whilst he thought he would be donating to a pro-environment party; he would actually funding a party that might well want to nationalise his pharmaceutical interests and this could lead to a conflict for the ideological greens?

Perhaps the green party could provide a list of groups they would not accept donations from, and how they validate donations do in fact come from approved sources?

Remember everyone - make sure you use your vote in the forthcoming elections - and make sure you vote for ANY party except green - you know how much money they have wasted on their vanity projects and what they have done to this once great city!
[quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BURIRAM[/bold] wrote: Just shows how silly the Green Party is.[/p][/quote]Or honest[/p][/quote]Green party honest? The party that promotes itself as being pro-environment, when it is in fact controlled by the green-left who define themselves as an 'Eco-socialist anti-capitalist current within the Green Party'? This is confirmed by the green parties manifesto for the forthcoming European elections where there is NO mention of anything relating to environmental causes, and everything relating to anti-capitalist anti-big business and a return to nationalisation and policies of the labour party of the 60s. And the green-left, who hide in the background, leaving the green-centre to appear as the moderate face of the party, whilst they support viscous protest groups such as the UAF- who themselves evolved from the oxymoron Socialist Workers party? Perhaps Antony Tabatznik didn’t realise that whilst he thought he would be donating to a pro-environment party; he would actually funding a party that might well want to nationalise his pharmaceutical interests and this could lead to a conflict for the ideological greens? Perhaps the green party could provide a list of groups they would not accept donations from, and how they validate donations do in fact come from approved sources? Remember everyone - make sure you use your vote in the forthcoming elections - and make sure you vote for ANY party except green - you know how much money they have wasted on their vanity projects and what they have done to this once great city! pachallis
  • Score: -23

10:30am Tue 20 May 14

Fight_Back says...

What a bizarre decision. There is no suggestion he has done anything incorrectly in his tax affairs. I guess no Green Party member has ever been on a booze cruise to France, or invested in an ISA or paid into their pensions - all legitimate ways to avoid paying extra tax in just the same way this gentleman has paid his tax for money he has earned here and no doubt tax to the appropriate authorities for money he has earned abroad.
What a bizarre decision. There is no suggestion he has done anything incorrectly in his tax affairs. I guess no Green Party member has ever been on a booze cruise to France, or invested in an ISA or paid into their pensions - all legitimate ways to avoid paying extra tax in just the same way this gentleman has paid his tax for money he has earned here and no doubt tax to the appropriate authorities for money he has earned abroad. Fight_Back
  • Score: -5

10:37am Tue 20 May 14

brighton bluenose says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Hard work and enthusiasm paid for by state benefits, student loans and wealthy husbands funding stay at home ladies to potter about in politics.
Why can't we get our refuse and recycling collected. Do some hard work HJarrs and clear the city up. The graffiti and rubbish is terrible. The seafront is desperate for your enthusiasm.
Usual nonsense from you MG!
The problems with refuse collections are down to the fact that five dust-carts were taken out of service due to central government cuts that were further backed by the Labour Party locally - I am sure you are aware of this but, if not, you certainly should be before spouting such tiresome drivel!!
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Hard work and enthusiasm paid for by state benefits, student loans and wealthy husbands funding stay at home ladies to potter about in politics. Why can't we get our refuse and recycling collected. Do some hard work HJarrs and clear the city up. The graffiti and rubbish is terrible. The seafront is desperate for your enthusiasm.[/p][/quote]Usual nonsense from you MG! The problems with refuse collections are down to the fact that five dust-carts were taken out of service due to central government cuts that were further backed by the Labour Party locally - I am sure you are aware of this but, if not, you certainly should be before spouting such tiresome drivel!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: 13

10:48am Tue 20 May 14

Cyril Bolleaux says...

HJarrs wrote:
The Greens have very little in the way of funding and rely upon the enthusiasm and hard work of their supporters. This sum of money would have been very welcome, but well done for rejecting the donation and for not fudging as the other parties would have done. Labour locally and nationally has accepted big donations from big business and finance, I wonder what their tax affairs are? The Conservatives are of course past masters at selling out for big donations from the tax dodging financial sector and who would be surprised if we find the few super wealthy patriot backers of UKIP are also a bunch of tax dodgers? Not me.
Your usual ignorant bigoted comment.
Mr. Tabatznik is not a tax dodger and nor are the other people you smear. Mr Tabatznik and other wealthy people will pay tax in their country of domicile. They pay tax on ALL their UK income. That is the law. Would you rather these people did not come to the UK and paid tax elsewhere?
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: The Greens have very little in the way of funding and rely upon the enthusiasm and hard work of their supporters. This sum of money would have been very welcome, but well done for rejecting the donation and for not fudging as the other parties would have done. Labour locally and nationally has accepted big donations from big business and finance, I wonder what their tax affairs are? The Conservatives are of course past masters at selling out for big donations from the tax dodging financial sector and who would be surprised if we find the few super wealthy patriot backers of UKIP are also a bunch of tax dodgers? Not me.[/p][/quote]Your usual ignorant bigoted comment. Mr. Tabatznik is not a tax dodger and nor are the other people you smear. Mr Tabatznik and other wealthy people will pay tax in their country of domicile. They pay tax on ALL their UK income. That is the law. Would you rather these people did not come to the UK and paid tax elsewhere? Cyril Bolleaux
  • Score: 3

10:53am Tue 20 May 14

pachallis says...

Just trying to earn a crust wrote:
westpiergone wrote:
Roll on Thursday,hopefully this shower of sh*t will be gone & Brighton & Hove will be run by somebody who actually cares about the town & its people !
Of course they'll still 'run' Brighton and Hove. Thursdays election is to elect MEPs. Do try and keep up
There is a situation where the Greens COULD lose control after Thursday!

I think the current split of councillors is:

Green 22
Conservative 18
Labour 14

Alex Philips and Jason Kitcat (Lucas disciples) are standing as MEPs for the Green part in the South East on Thursday. If there were a large enough swing to the Greens then they would lose 2 seats and there would have to be elections to replace them.

If these seats went to the Conservatives then it would be a hung council between Greens and Conservatives which could prove interesting?

Of course what we really need is a full council election, which the greens know would be disastrous for them - hence Alex and Jason desperate to leave the city ASAP and jump about the Euro Gravy Train...
[quote][p][bold]Just trying to earn a crust[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]westpiergone[/bold] wrote: Roll on Thursday,hopefully this shower of sh*t will be gone & Brighton & Hove will be run by somebody who actually cares about the town & its people ![/p][/quote]Of course they'll still 'run' Brighton and Hove. Thursdays election is to elect MEPs. Do try and keep up[/p][/quote]There is a situation where the Greens COULD lose control after Thursday! I think the current split of councillors is: Green 22 Conservative 18 Labour 14 Alex Philips and Jason Kitcat (Lucas disciples) are standing as MEPs for the Green part in the South East on Thursday. If there were a large enough swing to the Greens then they would lose 2 seats and there would have to be elections to replace them. If these seats went to the Conservatives then it would be a hung council between Greens and Conservatives which could prove interesting? Of course what we really need is a full council election, which the greens know would be disastrous for them - hence Alex and Jason desperate to leave the city ASAP and jump about the Euro Gravy Train... pachallis
  • Score: 11

11:00am Tue 20 May 14

Fight_Back says...

pachallis wrote:
Just trying to earn a crust wrote:
westpiergone wrote:
Roll on Thursday,hopefully this shower of sh*t will be gone & Brighton & Hove will be run by somebody who actually cares about the town & its people !
Of course they'll still 'run' Brighton and Hove. Thursdays election is to elect MEPs. Do try and keep up
There is a situation where the Greens COULD lose control after Thursday!

I think the current split of councillors is:

Green 22
Conservative 18
Labour 14

Alex Philips and Jason Kitcat (Lucas disciples) are standing as MEPs for the Green part in the South East on Thursday. If there were a large enough swing to the Greens then they would lose 2 seats and there would have to be elections to replace them.

If these seats went to the Conservatives then it would be a hung council between Greens and Conservatives which could prove interesting?

Of course what we really need is a full council election, which the greens know would be disastrous for them - hence Alex and Jason desperate to leave the city ASAP and jump about the Euro Gravy Train...
My God - now I'm very tempted to vote Green on Thursday !
[quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Just trying to earn a crust[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]westpiergone[/bold] wrote: Roll on Thursday,hopefully this shower of sh*t will be gone & Brighton & Hove will be run by somebody who actually cares about the town & its people ![/p][/quote]Of course they'll still 'run' Brighton and Hove. Thursdays election is to elect MEPs. Do try and keep up[/p][/quote]There is a situation where the Greens COULD lose control after Thursday! I think the current split of councillors is: Green 22 Conservative 18 Labour 14 Alex Philips and Jason Kitcat (Lucas disciples) are standing as MEPs for the Green part in the South East on Thursday. If there were a large enough swing to the Greens then they would lose 2 seats and there would have to be elections to replace them. If these seats went to the Conservatives then it would be a hung council between Greens and Conservatives which could prove interesting? Of course what we really need is a full council election, which the greens know would be disastrous for them - hence Alex and Jason desperate to leave the city ASAP and jump about the Euro Gravy Train...[/p][/quote]My God - now I'm very tempted to vote Green on Thursday ! Fight_Back
  • Score: 24

11:12am Tue 20 May 14

Andy R says...

Alex has a chance but I doubt Jason will. He's fourth on their list and the Greens ain't gonna get 4 MEP's.

Although....interest
ingly.....when people are "blind-polled" on policies (without being told whose policies they are), the Greens' policies on most issues come out top.
Alex has a chance but I doubt Jason will. He's fourth on their list and the Greens ain't gonna get 4 MEP's. Although....interest ingly.....when people are "blind-polled" on policies (without being told whose policies they are), the Greens' policies on most issues come out top. Andy R
  • Score: 26

11:20am Tue 20 May 14

Mr chock says...

Fight_Back wrote:
pachallis wrote:
Just trying to earn a crust wrote:
westpiergone wrote:
Roll on Thursday,hopefully this shower of sh*t will be gone & Brighton & Hove will be run by somebody who actually cares about the town & its people !
Of course they'll still 'run' Brighton and Hove. Thursdays election is to elect MEPs. Do try and keep up
There is a situation where the Greens COULD lose control after Thursday!

I think the current split of councillors is:

Green 22
Conservative 18
Labour 14

Alex Philips and Jason Kitcat (Lucas disciples) are standing as MEPs for the Green part in the South East on Thursday. If there were a large enough swing to the Greens then they would lose 2 seats and there would have to be elections to replace them.

If these seats went to the Conservatives then it would be a hung council between Greens and Conservatives which could prove interesting?

Of course what we really need is a full council election, which the greens know would be disastrous for them - hence Alex and Jason desperate to leave the city ASAP and jump about the Euro Gravy Train...
My God - now I'm very tempted to vote Green on Thursday !
someone comments on using your european vote tactically and not vote UKIP .. i cant see any other choice GREEN party is a bit of a laughing stock made many many mistakes and now we the voting public have our chance to have a vote and some seem to think " other wise and keep the status quo ?
Brighton during the dustbin collection strike became dirty very very quickly its clear the city clean do an excellent job PRAISE TO THEM but the council did not even try and replace them while the strike was on "emergency clean up teams could easily have been dispatched .. city did not get cleaned while counselors were sitting in kings house in discussions
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Just trying to earn a crust[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]westpiergone[/bold] wrote: Roll on Thursday,hopefully this shower of sh*t will be gone & Brighton & Hove will be run by somebody who actually cares about the town & its people ![/p][/quote]Of course they'll still 'run' Brighton and Hove. Thursdays election is to elect MEPs. Do try and keep up[/p][/quote]There is a situation where the Greens COULD lose control after Thursday! I think the current split of councillors is: Green 22 Conservative 18 Labour 14 Alex Philips and Jason Kitcat (Lucas disciples) are standing as MEPs for the Green part in the South East on Thursday. If there were a large enough swing to the Greens then they would lose 2 seats and there would have to be elections to replace them. If these seats went to the Conservatives then it would be a hung council between Greens and Conservatives which could prove interesting? Of course what we really need is a full council election, which the greens know would be disastrous for them - hence Alex and Jason desperate to leave the city ASAP and jump about the Euro Gravy Train...[/p][/quote]My God - now I'm very tempted to vote Green on Thursday ![/p][/quote]someone comments on using your european vote tactically and not vote UKIP .. i cant see any other choice GREEN party is a bit of a laughing stock made many many mistakes and now we the voting public have our chance to have a vote and some seem to think " other wise and keep the status quo ? Brighton during the dustbin collection strike became dirty very very quickly its clear the city clean do an excellent job PRAISE TO THEM but the council did not even try and replace them while the strike was on "emergency clean up teams could easily have been dispatched .. city did not get cleaned while counselors were sitting in kings house in discussions Mr chock
  • Score: -8

11:28am Tue 20 May 14

Andy R says...

Mr chock wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
pachallis wrote:
Just trying to earn a crust wrote:
westpiergone wrote:
Roll on Thursday,hopefully this shower of sh*t will be gone & Brighton & Hove will be run by somebody who actually cares about the town & its people !
Of course they'll still 'run' Brighton and Hove. Thursdays election is to elect MEPs. Do try and keep up
There is a situation where the Greens COULD lose control after Thursday!

I think the current split of councillors is:

Green 22
Conservative 18
Labour 14

Alex Philips and Jason Kitcat (Lucas disciples) are standing as MEPs for the Green part in the South East on Thursday. If there were a large enough swing to the Greens then they would lose 2 seats and there would have to be elections to replace them.

If these seats went to the Conservatives then it would be a hung council between Greens and Conservatives which could prove interesting?

Of course what we really need is a full council election, which the greens know would be disastrous for them - hence Alex and Jason desperate to leave the city ASAP and jump about the Euro Gravy Train...
My God - now I'm very tempted to vote Green on Thursday !
someone comments on using your european vote tactically and not vote UKIP .. i cant see any other choice GREEN party is a bit of a laughing stock made many many mistakes and now we the voting public have our chance to have a vote and some seem to think " other wise and keep the status quo ?
Brighton during the dustbin collection strike became dirty very very quickly its clear the city clean do an excellent job PRAISE TO THEM but the council did not even try and replace them while the strike was on "emergency clean up teams could easily have been dispatched .. city did not get cleaned while counselors were sitting in kings house in discussions
It's illegal to hire casual labour to break strikes.
[quote][p][bold]Mr chock[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Just trying to earn a crust[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]westpiergone[/bold] wrote: Roll on Thursday,hopefully this shower of sh*t will be gone & Brighton & Hove will be run by somebody who actually cares about the town & its people ![/p][/quote]Of course they'll still 'run' Brighton and Hove. Thursdays election is to elect MEPs. Do try and keep up[/p][/quote]There is a situation where the Greens COULD lose control after Thursday! I think the current split of councillors is: Green 22 Conservative 18 Labour 14 Alex Philips and Jason Kitcat (Lucas disciples) are standing as MEPs for the Green part in the South East on Thursday. If there were a large enough swing to the Greens then they would lose 2 seats and there would have to be elections to replace them. If these seats went to the Conservatives then it would be a hung council between Greens and Conservatives which could prove interesting? Of course what we really need is a full council election, which the greens know would be disastrous for them - hence Alex and Jason desperate to leave the city ASAP and jump about the Euro Gravy Train...[/p][/quote]My God - now I'm very tempted to vote Green on Thursday ![/p][/quote]someone comments on using your european vote tactically and not vote UKIP .. i cant see any other choice GREEN party is a bit of a laughing stock made many many mistakes and now we the voting public have our chance to have a vote and some seem to think " other wise and keep the status quo ? Brighton during the dustbin collection strike became dirty very very quickly its clear the city clean do an excellent job PRAISE TO THEM but the council did not even try and replace them while the strike was on "emergency clean up teams could easily have been dispatched .. city did not get cleaned while counselors were sitting in kings house in discussions[/p][/quote]It's illegal to hire casual labour to break strikes. Andy R
  • Score: 23

11:29am Tue 20 May 14

billy goat-gruff says...

BURIRAM wrote:
Just shows how silly the Green Party is.
By having principles? The Greens are a breath of fresh air (literally, as the only people that seem to dislike them are petrol heads and fascists) in a world of corrupt, lying and cheating toff politicians, where the tories will accept cash for peerages and questions in the house and tax dodge whenever they can.
[quote][p][bold]BURIRAM[/bold] wrote: Just shows how silly the Green Party is.[/p][/quote]By having principles? The Greens are a breath of fresh air (literally, as the only people that seem to dislike them are petrol heads and fascists) in a world of corrupt, lying and cheating toff politicians, where the tories will accept cash for peerages and questions in the house and tax dodge whenever they can. billy goat-gruff
  • Score: 8

11:37am Tue 20 May 14

Valerie Paynter says...

westpiergone wrote:
Roll on Thursday,hopefully this shower of sh*t will be gone & Brighton & Hove will be run by somebody who actually cares about the town & its people !
What a pity. You seem not to know we will be voting for the European parliament and not for governance of Brighton & Hove on Thursday. Our local election is in 2015 along with the General Election.
[quote][p][bold]westpiergone[/bold] wrote: Roll on Thursday,hopefully this shower of sh*t will be gone & Brighton & Hove will be run by somebody who actually cares about the town & its people ![/p][/quote]What a pity. You seem not to know we will be voting for the European parliament and not for governance of Brighton & Hove on Thursday. Our local election is in 2015 along with the General Election. Valerie Paynter
  • Score: 27

11:40am Tue 20 May 14

Gribbet says...

pachallis wrote:
gheese77 wrote:
BURIRAM wrote:
Just shows how silly the Green Party is.
Or honest
Green party honest?

The party that promotes itself as being pro-environment, when it is in fact controlled by the green-left who define themselves as an 'Eco-socialist anti-capitalist current within the Green Party'?

This is confirmed by the green parties manifesto for the forthcoming European elections where there is NO mention of anything relating to environmental causes, and everything relating to anti-capitalist anti-big business and a return to nationalisation and policies of the labour party of the 60s.

And the green-left, who hide in the background, leaving the green-centre to appear as the moderate face of the party, whilst they support viscous protest groups such as the UAF- who themselves evolved from the oxymoron Socialist Workers party?

Perhaps Antony Tabatznik didn’t realise that whilst he thought he would be donating to a pro-environment party; he would actually funding a party that might well want to nationalise his pharmaceutical interests and this could lead to a conflict for the ideological greens?

Perhaps the green party could provide a list of groups they would not accept donations from, and how they validate donations do in fact come from approved sources?

Remember everyone - make sure you use your vote in the forthcoming elections - and make sure you vote for ANY party except green - you know how much money they have wasted on their vanity projects and what they have done to this once great city!
It's always funny seeing that "once great city" line considering B&H only became a city in 2000.
[quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BURIRAM[/bold] wrote: Just shows how silly the Green Party is.[/p][/quote]Or honest[/p][/quote]Green party honest? The party that promotes itself as being pro-environment, when it is in fact controlled by the green-left who define themselves as an 'Eco-socialist anti-capitalist current within the Green Party'? This is confirmed by the green parties manifesto for the forthcoming European elections where there is NO mention of anything relating to environmental causes, and everything relating to anti-capitalist anti-big business and a return to nationalisation and policies of the labour party of the 60s. And the green-left, who hide in the background, leaving the green-centre to appear as the moderate face of the party, whilst they support viscous protest groups such as the UAF- who themselves evolved from the oxymoron Socialist Workers party? Perhaps Antony Tabatznik didn’t realise that whilst he thought he would be donating to a pro-environment party; he would actually funding a party that might well want to nationalise his pharmaceutical interests and this could lead to a conflict for the ideological greens? Perhaps the green party could provide a list of groups they would not accept donations from, and how they validate donations do in fact come from approved sources? Remember everyone - make sure you use your vote in the forthcoming elections - and make sure you vote for ANY party except green - you know how much money they have wasted on their vanity projects and what they have done to this once great city![/p][/quote]It's always funny seeing that "once great city" line considering B&H only became a city in 2000. Gribbet
  • Score: 9

11:49am Tue 20 May 14

Valerie Paynter says...

Fight_Back wrote:
pachallis wrote:
Just trying to earn a crust wrote:
westpiergone wrote:
Roll on Thursday,hopefully this shower of sh*t will be gone & Brighton & Hove will be run by somebody who actually cares about the town & its people !
Of course they'll still 'run' Brighton and Hove. Thursdays election is to elect MEPs. Do try and keep up
There is a situation where the Greens COULD lose control after Thursday!

I think the current split of councillors is:

Green 22
Conservative 18
Labour 14

Alex Philips and Jason Kitcat (Lucas disciples) are standing as MEPs for the Green part in the South East on Thursday. If there were a large enough swing to the Greens then they would lose 2 seats and there would have to be elections to replace them.

If these seats went to the Conservatives then it would be a hung council between Greens and Conservatives which could prove interesting?

Of course what we really need is a full council election, which the greens know would be disastrous for them - hence Alex and Jason desperate to leave the city ASAP and jump about the Euro Gravy Train...
My God - now I'm very tempted to vote Green on Thursday !
If you do, please choose Jason Kitcat. He is a policy and practice worker of great capacity, willingness and ability who would get stuck in and do the work. Alex is a political animal good on the doorstep and for political competition - the game of politics that promotes the Green Party. Which would you prefer to have working in Brussels for our national interests?

There is no Green Party of a properly environmental persuasion. Someone needs to form one.
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Just trying to earn a crust[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]westpiergone[/bold] wrote: Roll on Thursday,hopefully this shower of sh*t will be gone & Brighton & Hove will be run by somebody who actually cares about the town & its people ![/p][/quote]Of course they'll still 'run' Brighton and Hove. Thursdays election is to elect MEPs. Do try and keep up[/p][/quote]There is a situation where the Greens COULD lose control after Thursday! I think the current split of councillors is: Green 22 Conservative 18 Labour 14 Alex Philips and Jason Kitcat (Lucas disciples) are standing as MEPs for the Green part in the South East on Thursday. If there were a large enough swing to the Greens then they would lose 2 seats and there would have to be elections to replace them. If these seats went to the Conservatives then it would be a hung council between Greens and Conservatives which could prove interesting? Of course what we really need is a full council election, which the greens know would be disastrous for them - hence Alex and Jason desperate to leave the city ASAP and jump about the Euro Gravy Train...[/p][/quote]My God - now I'm very tempted to vote Green on Thursday ![/p][/quote]If you do, please choose Jason Kitcat. He is a policy and practice worker of great capacity, willingness and ability who would get stuck in and do the work. Alex is a political animal good on the doorstep and for political competition - the game of politics that promotes the Green Party. Which would you prefer to have working in Brussels for our national interests? There is no Green Party of a properly environmental persuasion. Someone needs to form one. Valerie Paynter
  • Score: -13

12:01pm Tue 20 May 14

Fight_Back says...

Valerie Paynter wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
pachallis wrote:
Just trying to earn a crust wrote:
westpiergone wrote:
Roll on Thursday,hopefully this shower of sh*t will be gone & Brighton & Hove will be run by somebody who actually cares about the town & its people !
Of course they'll still 'run' Brighton and Hove. Thursdays election is to elect MEPs. Do try and keep up
There is a situation where the Greens COULD lose control after Thursday!

I think the current split of councillors is:

Green 22
Conservative 18
Labour 14

Alex Philips and Jason Kitcat (Lucas disciples) are standing as MEPs for the Green part in the South East on Thursday. If there were a large enough swing to the Greens then they would lose 2 seats and there would have to be elections to replace them.

If these seats went to the Conservatives then it would be a hung council between Greens and Conservatives which could prove interesting?

Of course what we really need is a full council election, which the greens know would be disastrous for them - hence Alex and Jason desperate to leave the city ASAP and jump about the Euro Gravy Train...
My God - now I'm very tempted to vote Green on Thursday !
If you do, please choose Jason Kitcat. He is a policy and practice worker of great capacity, willingness and ability who would get stuck in and do the work. Alex is a political animal good on the doorstep and for political competition - the game of politics that promotes the Green Party. Which would you prefer to have working in Brussels for our national interests?

There is no Green Party of a properly environmental persuasion. Someone needs to form one.
I hate to tell you but you can't select a candidate - you vote for a party.
[quote][p][bold]Valerie Paynter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Just trying to earn a crust[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]westpiergone[/bold] wrote: Roll on Thursday,hopefully this shower of sh*t will be gone & Brighton & Hove will be run by somebody who actually cares about the town & its people ![/p][/quote]Of course they'll still 'run' Brighton and Hove. Thursdays election is to elect MEPs. Do try and keep up[/p][/quote]There is a situation where the Greens COULD lose control after Thursday! I think the current split of councillors is: Green 22 Conservative 18 Labour 14 Alex Philips and Jason Kitcat (Lucas disciples) are standing as MEPs for the Green part in the South East on Thursday. If there were a large enough swing to the Greens then they would lose 2 seats and there would have to be elections to replace them. If these seats went to the Conservatives then it would be a hung council between Greens and Conservatives which could prove interesting? Of course what we really need is a full council election, which the greens know would be disastrous for them - hence Alex and Jason desperate to leave the city ASAP and jump about the Euro Gravy Train...[/p][/quote]My God - now I'm very tempted to vote Green on Thursday ![/p][/quote]If you do, please choose Jason Kitcat. He is a policy and practice worker of great capacity, willingness and ability who would get stuck in and do the work. Alex is a political animal good on the doorstep and for political competition - the game of politics that promotes the Green Party. Which would you prefer to have working in Brussels for our national interests? There is no Green Party of a properly environmental persuasion. Someone needs to form one.[/p][/quote]I hate to tell you but you can't select a candidate - you vote for a party. Fight_Back
  • Score: 9

12:16pm Tue 20 May 14

Lady Smith says...

westpiergone wrote:
Roll on Thursday,hopefully this shower of sh*t will be gone & Brighton & Hove will be run by somebody who actually cares about the town & its people !
I think you really are 'gone'.
This Thursday is the European elections.
Read that again: 'European elections'.
Not B& Hove local elections.
And, no, not the General Election.
European elections.
Caroline Lucas is not a candidate. Nor are any B&Hove councillors.

Your grasp of politics is as flimsy and decayed as your namesake.
[quote][p][bold]westpiergone[/bold] wrote: Roll on Thursday,hopefully this shower of sh*t will be gone & Brighton & Hove will be run by somebody who actually cares about the town & its people ![/p][/quote]I think you really are 'gone'. This Thursday is the European elections. Read that again: 'European elections'. Not B& Hove local elections. And, no, not the General Election. European elections. Caroline Lucas is not a candidate. Nor are any B&Hove councillors. Your grasp of politics is as flimsy and decayed as your namesake. Lady Smith
  • Score: 9

1:06pm Tue 20 May 14

fredflintstone1 says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Hard work and enthusiasm paid for by state benefits, student loans and wealthy husbands funding stay at home ladies to potter about in politics.
Why can't we get our refuse and recycling collected. Do some hard work HJarrs and clear the city up. The graffiti and rubbish is terrible. The seafront is desperate for your enthusiasm.
Usual nonsense from you MG!
The problems with refuse collections are down to the fact that five dust-carts were taken out of service due to central government cuts that were further backed by the Labour Party locally - I am sure you are aware of this but, if not, you certainly should be before spouting such tiresome drivel!!
Your post highlights so succinctly just why the Greens aren't fit to be elected. They put their vanity projects above the interests of local people, and allow a massive overspend on the traveller budget. They then whinge they can't run enough dustcarts. Pathetic!
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Hard work and enthusiasm paid for by state benefits, student loans and wealthy husbands funding stay at home ladies to potter about in politics. Why can't we get our refuse and recycling collected. Do some hard work HJarrs and clear the city up. The graffiti and rubbish is terrible. The seafront is desperate for your enthusiasm.[/p][/quote]Usual nonsense from you MG! The problems with refuse collections are down to the fact that five dust-carts were taken out of service due to central government cuts that were further backed by the Labour Party locally - I am sure you are aware of this but, if not, you certainly should be before spouting such tiresome drivel!![/p][/quote]Your post highlights so succinctly just why the Greens aren't fit to be elected. They put their vanity projects above the interests of local people, and allow a massive overspend on the traveller budget. They then whinge they can't run enough dustcarts. Pathetic! fredflintstone1
  • Score: 0

1:55pm Tue 20 May 14

salty_pete says...

billy goat-gruff wrote:
BURIRAM wrote: Just shows how silly the Green Party is.
By having principles? The Greens are a breath of fresh air (literally, as the only people that seem to dislike them are petrol heads and fascists) in a world of corrupt, lying and cheating toff politicians, where the tories will accept cash for peerages and questions in the house and tax dodge whenever they can.
Well billy goat-gruff I think you win the prize today for smearing all those Brightonians (probably the vast majority) who happen to have a different opinion of the Greens to yourself as "petrol heads and fascists". Are all Green supporters this desperate ?
[quote][p][bold]billy goat-gruff[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BURIRAM[/bold] wrote: Just shows how silly the Green Party is.[/p][/quote]By having principles? The Greens are a breath of fresh air (literally, as the only people that seem to dislike them are petrol heads and fascists) in a world of corrupt, lying and cheating toff politicians, where the tories will accept cash for peerages and questions in the house and tax dodge whenever they can.[/p][/quote]Well billy goat-gruff I think you win the prize today for smearing all those Brightonians (probably the vast majority) who happen to have a different opinion of the Greens to yourself as "petrol heads and fascists". Are all Green supporters this desperate ? salty_pete
  • Score: 2

2:02pm Tue 20 May 14

paul76 says...

Supposing the donation was paid by BACS transfer or similar and not cheque or cash, has the ethical green party given the small amount of interest earned during that period to charity, or has that been spent on environmentally friendly digestives?
Supposing the donation was paid by BACS transfer or similar and not cheque or cash, has the ethical green party given the small amount of interest earned during that period to charity, or has that been spent on environmentally friendly digestives? paul76
  • Score: -8

2:32pm Tue 20 May 14

Andy R says...

salty_pete wrote:
billy goat-gruff wrote:
BURIRAM wrote: Just shows how silly the Green Party is.
By having principles? The Greens are a breath of fresh air (literally, as the only people that seem to dislike them are petrol heads and fascists) in a world of corrupt, lying and cheating toff politicians, where the tories will accept cash for peerages and questions in the house and tax dodge whenever they can.
Well billy goat-gruff I think you win the prize today for smearing all those Brightonians (probably the vast majority) who happen to have a different opinion of the Greens to yourself as "petrol heads and fascists". Are all Green supporters this desperate ?
When did you get to be so morally superior about "smearing"?

"Pot, meet kettle. It's black."
[quote][p][bold]salty_pete[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]billy goat-gruff[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BURIRAM[/bold] wrote: Just shows how silly the Green Party is.[/p][/quote]By having principles? The Greens are a breath of fresh air (literally, as the only people that seem to dislike them are petrol heads and fascists) in a world of corrupt, lying and cheating toff politicians, where the tories will accept cash for peerages and questions in the house and tax dodge whenever they can.[/p][/quote]Well billy goat-gruff I think you win the prize today for smearing all those Brightonians (probably the vast majority) who happen to have a different opinion of the Greens to yourself as "petrol heads and fascists". Are all Green supporters this desperate ?[/p][/quote]When did you get to be so morally superior about "smearing"? "Pot, meet kettle. It's black." Andy R
  • Score: 4

3:19pm Tue 20 May 14

rolivan says...

I think the term Tax Minimalisation should be used instead of tax avoidance . Do you not think Dr Lucas uses an accountant to keep her taxes to a minimum,Why does she need so many houses has she bought them as part of a Pension Plan to minimalist her Tax?
I think the term Tax Minimalisation should be used instead of tax avoidance . Do you not think Dr Lucas uses an accountant to keep her taxes to a minimum,Why does she need so many houses has she bought them as part of a Pension Plan to minimalist her Tax? rolivan
  • Score: -7

5:12pm Tue 20 May 14

NickBtn says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Hard work and enthusiasm paid for by state benefits, student loans and wealthy husbands funding stay at home ladies to potter about in politics.
Why can't we get our refuse and recycling collected. Do some hard work HJarrs and clear the city up. The graffiti and rubbish is terrible. The seafront is desperate for your enthusiasm.
Usual nonsense from you MG!
The problems with refuse collections are down to the fact that five dust-carts were taken out of service due to central government cuts that were further backed by the Labour Party locally - I am sure you are aware of this but, if not, you certainly should be before spouting such tiresome drivel!!
You can't reasonably blame government cuts for the refuse and recycling chaos. These cuts apply to all councils yet they are still managing to do their statutory duties and collect the rubbish!

There chaos was down to a change in working methods. Someone worked out (incorrectly it looks like) that five carts could be saved. So they got rid of them and tried a new way of working. There was no plan B - so when it didn't work there wasn't spare capacity. Any professional change management organisation would plan and have contingencies. Not so B&HC. The councillors have a duty to question the officers and ask simple questions like "what if the new plan doesn't work". Clearly they didn't!

Vote green, get rubbish!
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Hard work and enthusiasm paid for by state benefits, student loans and wealthy husbands funding stay at home ladies to potter about in politics. Why can't we get our refuse and recycling collected. Do some hard work HJarrs and clear the city up. The graffiti and rubbish is terrible. The seafront is desperate for your enthusiasm.[/p][/quote]Usual nonsense from you MG! The problems with refuse collections are down to the fact that five dust-carts were taken out of service due to central government cuts that were further backed by the Labour Party locally - I am sure you are aware of this but, if not, you certainly should be before spouting such tiresome drivel!![/p][/quote]You can't reasonably blame government cuts for the refuse and recycling chaos. These cuts apply to all councils yet they are still managing to do their statutory duties and collect the rubbish! There chaos was down to a change in working methods. Someone worked out (incorrectly it looks like) that five carts could be saved. So they got rid of them and tried a new way of working. There was no plan B - so when it didn't work there wasn't spare capacity. Any professional change management organisation would plan and have contingencies. Not so B&HC. The councillors have a duty to question the officers and ask simple questions like "what if the new plan doesn't work". Clearly they didn't! Vote green, get rubbish! NickBtn
  • Score: -7

5:50pm Tue 20 May 14

flmbn2 says...

pachallis wrote:
gheese77 wrote:
BURIRAM wrote:
Just shows how silly the Green Party is.
Or honest
Green party honest?

The party that promotes itself as being pro-environment, when it is in fact controlled by the green-left who define themselves as an 'Eco-socialist anti-capitalist current within the Green Party'?

This is confirmed by the green parties manifesto for the forthcoming European elections where there is NO mention of anything relating to environmental causes, and everything relating to anti-capitalist anti-big business and a return to nationalisation and policies of the labour party of the 60s.

And the green-left, who hide in the background, leaving the green-centre to appear as the moderate face of the party, whilst they support viscous protest groups such as the UAF- who themselves evolved from the oxymoron Socialist Workers party?

Perhaps Antony Tabatznik didn’t realise that whilst he thought he would be donating to a pro-environment party; he would actually funding a party that might well want to nationalise his pharmaceutical interests and this could lead to a conflict for the ideological greens?

Perhaps the green party could provide a list of groups they would not accept donations from, and how they validate donations do in fact come from approved sources?

Remember everyone - make sure you use your vote in the forthcoming elections - and make sure you vote for ANY party except green - you know how much money they have wasted on their vanity projects and what they have done to this once great city!
1) "there is NO mention of anything relating to environmental causes".. Its on page 4 of the mini manifesto under the headline 'Environment and climate change'. Pages 12-19 of the full manifesto all fall under the heading of 'preserving the planet'. I'm guessing you haven't fully taken the time to read the manifesto.

2) "return to nationalisation and policies of the labour party of the 60s." If you're referring to the nationalisation of public sector institutions, such as the NHS, the clue is in the name... Its the NATIONAL health service. What about that is supposed to be privatised? The point of NATIONAL insurance is to make a contribution, paying 'INSURANCE' that when you need medical care, it will be there. It was never intended to be split up and sold to the highest bidder just so the majority of people could continue to pay a tax on a service they are not only struggling to receive, but so that the owners of these companies can make a profit, which itself contributes nothing back into the economy.

3) "Perhaps the green party could provide a list of groups they would not accept donations from, and how they validate donations do in fact come from approved sources?" Having studied (albeit briefly) Power and Politics, i can honestly state that party donations and big business alliances with politicians are one of the biggest threats to democracy in this country. If a party relies on donations from certain businesses or corporate entities, this is of course going to effect how that particular party decides to write policy on matters which effect said business. You don't have to do much digging to see the kinds of people the coalition have on their board when writing legislature. Fast food corporations are hugely influential when writing policy to tackle obesity; Tobacco corporations have influence over health and smoking policies. This makes no sense, and it highlights why taking a moral position when accepting (or not accepting) party donations is important to the integrity of a party. The last thing you want is your government having conflicting interests over what they've pledged to do, and what the big corporate donors want them to do.

The green party may not be perfect, but at least they're moral.
[quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BURIRAM[/bold] wrote: Just shows how silly the Green Party is.[/p][/quote]Or honest[/p][/quote]Green party honest? The party that promotes itself as being pro-environment, when it is in fact controlled by the green-left who define themselves as an 'Eco-socialist anti-capitalist current within the Green Party'? This is confirmed by the green parties manifesto for the forthcoming European elections where there is NO mention of anything relating to environmental causes, and everything relating to anti-capitalist anti-big business and a return to nationalisation and policies of the labour party of the 60s. And the green-left, who hide in the background, leaving the green-centre to appear as the moderate face of the party, whilst they support viscous protest groups such as the UAF- who themselves evolved from the oxymoron Socialist Workers party? Perhaps Antony Tabatznik didn’t realise that whilst he thought he would be donating to a pro-environment party; he would actually funding a party that might well want to nationalise his pharmaceutical interests and this could lead to a conflict for the ideological greens? Perhaps the green party could provide a list of groups they would not accept donations from, and how they validate donations do in fact come from approved sources? Remember everyone - make sure you use your vote in the forthcoming elections - and make sure you vote for ANY party except green - you know how much money they have wasted on their vanity projects and what they have done to this once great city![/p][/quote]1) "there is NO mention of anything relating to environmental causes".. Its on page 4 of the mini manifesto under the headline 'Environment and climate change'. Pages 12-19 of the full manifesto all fall under the heading of 'preserving the planet'. I'm guessing you haven't fully taken the time to read the manifesto. 2) "return to nationalisation and policies of the labour party of the 60s." If you're referring to the nationalisation of public sector institutions, such as the NHS, the clue is in the name... Its the NATIONAL health service. What about that is supposed to be privatised? The point of NATIONAL insurance is to make a contribution, paying 'INSURANCE' that when you need medical care, it will be there. It was never intended to be split up and sold to the highest bidder just so the majority of people could continue to pay a tax on a service they are not only struggling to receive, but so that the owners of these companies can make a profit, which itself contributes nothing back into the economy. 3) "Perhaps the green party could provide a list of groups they would not accept donations from, and how they validate donations do in fact come from approved sources?" Having studied (albeit briefly) Power and Politics, i can honestly state that party donations and big business alliances with politicians are one of the biggest threats to democracy in this country. If a party relies on donations from certain businesses or corporate entities, this is of course going to effect how that particular party decides to write policy on matters which effect said business. You don't have to do much digging to see the kinds of people the coalition have on their board when writing legislature. Fast food corporations are hugely influential when writing policy to tackle obesity; Tobacco corporations have influence over health and smoking policies. This makes no sense, and it highlights why taking a moral position when accepting (or not accepting) party donations is important to the integrity of a party. The last thing you want is your government having conflicting interests over what they've pledged to do, and what the big corporate donors want them to do. The green party may not be perfect, but at least they're moral. flmbn2
  • Score: 20

6:35pm Tue 20 May 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

Bluenose, shift your green **** up Coombe Road every day and see the disgraceful mess of strewn rubbish pouring out of the student lets operated by john Hilton and MTM lets along this route.
It is utterly scandalous in the 21st century that residents are left to live in worse conditions than the slums of Jakarta and I am not joking. Where are the council inspectors, where is the £1 million raised by student licensing to enforce policy?
Your party is shameful and there's even a house surrounded by this filth with a vote Green Party poster in the window in Coombe road. Stop making excuses for poor management and poor policies. The council is desperate for cultural change and perhaps it's time for a massive outsourcing operation to clear out those who refuse to carry out their jobs.
It is worse now than it ever has been.
Bluenose, shift your green **** up Coombe Road every day and see the disgraceful mess of strewn rubbish pouring out of the student lets operated by john Hilton and MTM lets along this route. It is utterly scandalous in the 21st century that residents are left to live in worse conditions than the slums of Jakarta and I am not joking. Where are the council inspectors, where is the £1 million raised by student licensing to enforce policy? Your party is shameful and there's even a house surrounded by this filth with a vote Green Party poster in the window in Coombe road. Stop making excuses for poor management and poor policies. The council is desperate for cultural change and perhaps it's time for a massive outsourcing operation to clear out those who refuse to carry out their jobs. It is worse now than it ever has been. Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: -3

6:38pm Tue 20 May 14

brighton bluenose says...

fredflintstone1 wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Hard work and enthusiasm paid for by state benefits, student loans and wealthy husbands funding stay at home ladies to potter about in politics.
Why can't we get our refuse and recycling collected. Do some hard work HJarrs and clear the city up. The graffiti and rubbish is terrible. The seafront is desperate for your enthusiasm.
Usual nonsense from you MG!
The problems with refuse collections are down to the fact that five dust-carts were taken out of service due to central government cuts that were further backed by the Labour Party locally - I am sure you are aware of this but, if not, you certainly should be before spouting such tiresome drivel!!
Your post highlights so succinctly just why the Greens aren't fit to be elected. They put their vanity projects above the interests of local people, and allow a massive overspend on the traveller budget. They then whinge they can't run enough dustcarts. Pathetic!
Personally I think that much of what the Greens have done ARE in the interests of local people but like Maxwells Ghost you are either totally uninformed or you are deliberately lying as the majority of funding for the 'vanity projects' that you moan about come from external sources! As for the over-spend on the traveller budget how on earth is that the Greens fault as travellers have been coming here for donkeys years and would still be doing so if the Tories or Labour were in power - do you REALLY think they'll stay away if the Greens don't get a second ter?! You would be totally daft to thinkn spo!
[quote][p][bold]fredflintstone1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Hard work and enthusiasm paid for by state benefits, student loans and wealthy husbands funding stay at home ladies to potter about in politics. Why can't we get our refuse and recycling collected. Do some hard work HJarrs and clear the city up. The graffiti and rubbish is terrible. The seafront is desperate for your enthusiasm.[/p][/quote]Usual nonsense from you MG! The problems with refuse collections are down to the fact that five dust-carts were taken out of service due to central government cuts that were further backed by the Labour Party locally - I am sure you are aware of this but, if not, you certainly should be before spouting such tiresome drivel!![/p][/quote]Your post highlights so succinctly just why the Greens aren't fit to be elected. They put their vanity projects above the interests of local people, and allow a massive overspend on the traveller budget. They then whinge they can't run enough dustcarts. Pathetic![/p][/quote]Personally I think that much of what the Greens have done ARE in the interests of local people but like Maxwells Ghost you are either totally uninformed or you are deliberately lying as the majority of funding for the 'vanity projects' that you moan about come from external sources! As for the over-spend on the traveller budget how on earth is that the Greens fault as travellers have been coming here for donkeys years and would still be doing so if the Tories or Labour were in power - do you REALLY think they'll stay away if the Greens don't get a second ter?! You would be totally daft to thinkn spo! brighton bluenose
  • Score: 4

6:46pm Tue 20 May 14

brighton bluenose says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Bluenose, shift your green **** up Coombe Road every day and see the disgraceful mess of strewn rubbish pouring out of the student lets operated by john Hilton and MTM lets along this route.
It is utterly scandalous in the 21st century that residents are left to live in worse conditions than the slums of Jakarta and I am not joking. Where are the council inspectors, where is the £1 million raised by student licensing to enforce policy?
Your party is shameful and there's even a house surrounded by this filth with a vote Green Party poster in the window in Coombe road. Stop making excuses for poor management and poor policies. The council is desperate for cultural change and perhaps it's time for a massive outsourcing operation to clear out those who refuse to carry out their jobs.
It is worse now than it ever has been.
Where I live in Hove there is regularly rubbish on the pavement next to the communal waste bin - but I can't blame the Greens because it's my lazy, brain-dead neighbours who can't be @rsed to push their black bag fully into the bin thus giving the seagulls easy access and leaving a mess all over the place!
If it's such a problem get onto your councillor/s and get it sorted - lets bear in mind that the Greens are a minority administration and that they are out-numbered by the 'main' parties too!
Man up for gods sake - get a few leaflets printed and maybe knock on the doors of the worst offenders and point out the error of their ways?!
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Bluenose, shift your green **** up Coombe Road every day and see the disgraceful mess of strewn rubbish pouring out of the student lets operated by john Hilton and MTM lets along this route. It is utterly scandalous in the 21st century that residents are left to live in worse conditions than the slums of Jakarta and I am not joking. Where are the council inspectors, where is the £1 million raised by student licensing to enforce policy? Your party is shameful and there's even a house surrounded by this filth with a vote Green Party poster in the window in Coombe road. Stop making excuses for poor management and poor policies. The council is desperate for cultural change and perhaps it's time for a massive outsourcing operation to clear out those who refuse to carry out their jobs. It is worse now than it ever has been.[/p][/quote]Where I live in Hove there is regularly rubbish on the pavement next to the communal waste bin - but I can't blame the Greens because it's my lazy, brain-dead neighbours who can't be @rsed to push their black bag fully into the bin thus giving the seagulls easy access and leaving a mess all over the place! If it's such a problem get onto your councillor/s and get it sorted - lets bear in mind that the Greens are a minority administration and that they are out-numbered by the 'main' parties too! Man up for gods sake - get a few leaflets printed and maybe knock on the doors of the worst offenders and point out the error of their ways?! brighton bluenose
  • Score: 8

6:59pm Tue 20 May 14

pachallis says...

flmbn2 wrote:
pachallis wrote:
gheese77 wrote:
BURIRAM wrote:
Just shows how silly the Green Party is.
Or honest
Green party honest?

The party that promotes itself as being pro-environment, when it is in fact controlled by the green-left who define themselves as an 'Eco-socialist anti-capitalist current within the Green Party'?

This is confirmed by the green parties manifesto for the forthcoming European elections where there is NO mention of anything relating to environmental causes, and everything relating to anti-capitalist anti-big business and a return to nationalisation and policies of the labour party of the 60s.

And the green-left, who hide in the background, leaving the green-centre to appear as the moderate face of the party, whilst they support viscous protest groups such as the UAF- who themselves evolved from the oxymoron Socialist Workers party?

Perhaps Antony Tabatznik didn’t realise that whilst he thought he would be donating to a pro-environment party; he would actually funding a party that might well want to nationalise his pharmaceutical interests and this could lead to a conflict for the ideological greens?

Perhaps the green party could provide a list of groups they would not accept donations from, and how they validate donations do in fact come from approved sources?

Remember everyone - make sure you use your vote in the forthcoming elections - and make sure you vote for ANY party except green - you know how much money they have wasted on their vanity projects and what they have done to this once great city!
1) "there is NO mention of anything relating to environmental causes".. Its on page 4 of the mini manifesto under the headline 'Environment and climate change'. Pages 12-19 of the full manifesto all fall under the heading of 'preserving the planet'. I'm guessing you haven't fully taken the time to read the manifesto.

2) "return to nationalisation and policies of the labour party of the 60s." If you're referring to the nationalisation of public sector institutions, such as the NHS, the clue is in the name... Its the NATIONAL health service. What about that is supposed to be privatised? The point of NATIONAL insurance is to make a contribution, paying 'INSURANCE' that when you need medical care, it will be there. It was never intended to be split up and sold to the highest bidder just so the majority of people could continue to pay a tax on a service they are not only struggling to receive, but so that the owners of these companies can make a profit, which itself contributes nothing back into the economy.

3) "Perhaps the green party could provide a list of groups they would not accept donations from, and how they validate donations do in fact come from approved sources?" Having studied (albeit briefly) Power and Politics, i can honestly state that party donations and big business alliances with politicians are one of the biggest threats to democracy in this country. If a party relies on donations from certain businesses or corporate entities, this is of course going to effect how that particular party decides to write policy on matters which effect said business. You don't have to do much digging to see the kinds of people the coalition have on their board when writing legislature. Fast food corporations are hugely influential when writing policy to tackle obesity; Tobacco corporations have influence over health and smoking policies. This makes no sense, and it highlights why taking a moral position when accepting (or not accepting) party donations is important to the integrity of a party. The last thing you want is your government having conflicting interests over what they've pledged to do, and what the big corporate donors want them to do.

The green party may not be perfect, but at least they're moral.
@flmbnb2 - sorry don't have access to PC to provide full response.

Re nationalisation, greens intend to nationalise energy and railways according to our green MEP as a well as keeping the NHS public. Not sure what is wrong with partsparts of the NHS becoming private if it reduces costs and improves service, as long as it is still free to those who use it? Unless, of course, you are left wing anti-capitalist?

Re environment, the only mention from Alex Philips in her interview was her being anti tracking. Our green MEP had no mention of the environment at all in his vision.

These may be in the detailed manifesto but they are not what the candidates are focusing on. Who can we trust?
[quote][p][bold]flmbn2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BURIRAM[/bold] wrote: Just shows how silly the Green Party is.[/p][/quote]Or honest[/p][/quote]Green party honest? The party that promotes itself as being pro-environment, when it is in fact controlled by the green-left who define themselves as an 'Eco-socialist anti-capitalist current within the Green Party'? This is confirmed by the green parties manifesto for the forthcoming European elections where there is NO mention of anything relating to environmental causes, and everything relating to anti-capitalist anti-big business and a return to nationalisation and policies of the labour party of the 60s. And the green-left, who hide in the background, leaving the green-centre to appear as the moderate face of the party, whilst they support viscous protest groups such as the UAF- who themselves evolved from the oxymoron Socialist Workers party? Perhaps Antony Tabatznik didn’t realise that whilst he thought he would be donating to a pro-environment party; he would actually funding a party that might well want to nationalise his pharmaceutical interests and this could lead to a conflict for the ideological greens? Perhaps the green party could provide a list of groups they would not accept donations from, and how they validate donations do in fact come from approved sources? Remember everyone - make sure you use your vote in the forthcoming elections - and make sure you vote for ANY party except green - you know how much money they have wasted on their vanity projects and what they have done to this once great city![/p][/quote]1) "there is NO mention of anything relating to environmental causes".. Its on page 4 of the mini manifesto under the headline 'Environment and climate change'. Pages 12-19 of the full manifesto all fall under the heading of 'preserving the planet'. I'm guessing you haven't fully taken the time to read the manifesto. 2) "return to nationalisation and policies of the labour party of the 60s." If you're referring to the nationalisation of public sector institutions, such as the NHS, the clue is in the name... Its the NATIONAL health service. What about that is supposed to be privatised? The point of NATIONAL insurance is to make a contribution, paying 'INSURANCE' that when you need medical care, it will be there. It was never intended to be split up and sold to the highest bidder just so the majority of people could continue to pay a tax on a service they are not only struggling to receive, but so that the owners of these companies can make a profit, which itself contributes nothing back into the economy. 3) "Perhaps the green party could provide a list of groups they would not accept donations from, and how they validate donations do in fact come from approved sources?" Having studied (albeit briefly) Power and Politics, i can honestly state that party donations and big business alliances with politicians are one of the biggest threats to democracy in this country. If a party relies on donations from certain businesses or corporate entities, this is of course going to effect how that particular party decides to write policy on matters which effect said business. You don't have to do much digging to see the kinds of people the coalition have on their board when writing legislature. Fast food corporations are hugely influential when writing policy to tackle obesity; Tobacco corporations have influence over health and smoking policies. This makes no sense, and it highlights why taking a moral position when accepting (or not accepting) party donations is important to the integrity of a party. The last thing you want is your government having conflicting interests over what they've pledged to do, and what the big corporate donors want them to do. The green party may not be perfect, but at least they're moral.[/p][/quote]@flmbnb2 - sorry don't have access to PC to provide full response. Re nationalisation, greens intend to nationalise energy and railways according to our green MEP as a well as keeping the NHS public. Not sure what is wrong with partsparts of the NHS becoming private if it reduces costs and improves service, as long as it is still free to those who use it? Unless, of course, you are left wing anti-capitalist? Re environment, the only mention from Alex Philips in her interview was her being anti tracking. Our green MEP had no mention of the environment at all in his vision. These may be in the detailed manifesto but they are not what the candidates are focusing on. Who can we trust? pachallis
  • Score: -4

7:53pm Tue 20 May 14

Mr chock says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Bluenose, shift your green **** up Coombe Road every day and see the disgraceful mess of strewn rubbish pouring out of the student lets operated by john Hilton and MTM lets along this route.
It is utterly scandalous in the 21st century that residents are left to live in worse conditions than the slums of Jakarta and I am not joking. Where are the council inspectors, where is the £1 million raised by student licensing to enforce policy?
Your party is shameful and there's even a house surrounded by this filth with a vote Green Party poster in the window in Coombe road. Stop making excuses for poor management and poor policies. The council is desperate for cultural change and perhaps it's time for a massive outsourcing operation to clear out those who refuse to carry out their jobs.
It is worse now than it ever has been.
Where I live in Hove there is regularly rubbish on the pavement next to the communal waste bin - but I can't blame the Greens because it's my lazy, brain-dead neighbours who can't be @rsed to push their black bag fully into the bin thus giving the seagulls easy access and leaving a mess all over the place!
If it's such a problem get onto your councillor/s and get it sorted - lets bear in mind that the Greens are a minority administration and that they are out-numbered by the 'main' parties too!
Man up for gods sake - get a few leaflets printed and maybe knock on the doors of the worst offenders and point out the error of their ways?!
this is street view of coombe road http://goo.gl/maps/f
60MY NOTE the dustbin near the school entrance and not the small amount of litter next to bin... i am sure Maxwells Ghost has every right to be angry at the littler in that part of brighton the problem has got a lot lot worse now we are encouraged to put the recycling out in box's and this then is free to blow about glass bottles smashed and ...ok nufff moaning about it Jason kitkat and a few others on the beach will be picking up some litter maybe they will continue the litter picking all the way throughout the city that gave them a green job ..i am keen to know what type of leaflets should be posted throu letter box ..~~ get a few leaflets printed and maybe knock on the doors of the worst offenders and point out the error of their ways?!
the best way to remove litter is ...............
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Bluenose, shift your green **** up Coombe Road every day and see the disgraceful mess of strewn rubbish pouring out of the student lets operated by john Hilton and MTM lets along this route. It is utterly scandalous in the 21st century that residents are left to live in worse conditions than the slums of Jakarta and I am not joking. Where are the council inspectors, where is the £1 million raised by student licensing to enforce policy? Your party is shameful and there's even a house surrounded by this filth with a vote Green Party poster in the window in Coombe road. Stop making excuses for poor management and poor policies. The council is desperate for cultural change and perhaps it's time for a massive outsourcing operation to clear out those who refuse to carry out their jobs. It is worse now than it ever has been.[/p][/quote]Where I live in Hove there is regularly rubbish on the pavement next to the communal waste bin - but I can't blame the Greens because it's my lazy, brain-dead neighbours who can't be @rsed to push their black bag fully into the bin thus giving the seagulls easy access and leaving a mess all over the place! If it's such a problem get onto your councillor/s and get it sorted - lets bear in mind that the Greens are a minority administration and that they are out-numbered by the 'main' parties too! Man up for gods sake - get a few leaflets printed and maybe knock on the doors of the worst offenders and point out the error of their ways?![/p][/quote]this is street view of coombe road http://goo.gl/maps/f 60MY NOTE the dustbin near the school entrance and not the small amount of litter next to bin... i am sure Maxwells Ghost has every right to be angry at the littler in that part of brighton the problem has got a lot lot worse now we are encouraged to put the recycling out in box's and this then is free to blow about glass bottles smashed and ...ok nufff moaning about it Jason kitkat and a few others on the beach will be picking up some litter maybe they will continue the litter picking all the way throughout the city that gave them a green job ..i am keen to know what type of leaflets should be posted throu letter box ..~~ get a few leaflets printed and maybe knock on the doors of the worst offenders and point out the error of their ways?! the best way to remove litter is ............... Mr chock
  • Score: 0

8:56pm Tue 20 May 14

HJarrs says...

pachallis wrote:
flmbn2 wrote:
pachallis wrote:
gheese77 wrote:
BURIRAM wrote:
Just shows how silly the Green Party is.
Or honest
Green party honest?

The party that promotes itself as being pro-environment, when it is in fact controlled by the green-left who define themselves as an 'Eco-socialist anti-capitalist current within the Green Party'?

This is confirmed by the green parties manifesto for the forthcoming European elections where there is NO mention of anything relating to environmental causes, and everything relating to anti-capitalist anti-big business and a return to nationalisation and policies of the labour party of the 60s.

And the green-left, who hide in the background, leaving the green-centre to appear as the moderate face of the party, whilst they support viscous protest groups such as the UAF- who themselves evolved from the oxymoron Socialist Workers party?

Perhaps Antony Tabatznik didn’t realise that whilst he thought he would be donating to a pro-environment party; he would actually funding a party that might well want to nationalise his pharmaceutical interests and this could lead to a conflict for the ideological greens?

Perhaps the green party could provide a list of groups they would not accept donations from, and how they validate donations do in fact come from approved sources?

Remember everyone - make sure you use your vote in the forthcoming elections - and make sure you vote for ANY party except green - you know how much money they have wasted on their vanity projects and what they have done to this once great city!
1) "there is NO mention of anything relating to environmental causes".. Its on page 4 of the mini manifesto under the headline 'Environment and climate change'. Pages 12-19 of the full manifesto all fall under the heading of 'preserving the planet'. I'm guessing you haven't fully taken the time to read the manifesto.

2) "return to nationalisation and policies of the labour party of the 60s." If you're referring to the nationalisation of public sector institutions, such as the NHS, the clue is in the name... Its the NATIONAL health service. What about that is supposed to be privatised? The point of NATIONAL insurance is to make a contribution, paying 'INSURANCE' that when you need medical care, it will be there. It was never intended to be split up and sold to the highest bidder just so the majority of people could continue to pay a tax on a service they are not only struggling to receive, but so that the owners of these companies can make a profit, which itself contributes nothing back into the economy.

3) "Perhaps the green party could provide a list of groups they would not accept donations from, and how they validate donations do in fact come from approved sources?" Having studied (albeit briefly) Power and Politics, i can honestly state that party donations and big business alliances with politicians are one of the biggest threats to democracy in this country. If a party relies on donations from certain businesses or corporate entities, this is of course going to effect how that particular party decides to write policy on matters which effect said business. You don't have to do much digging to see the kinds of people the coalition have on their board when writing legislature. Fast food corporations are hugely influential when writing policy to tackle obesity; Tobacco corporations have influence over health and smoking policies. This makes no sense, and it highlights why taking a moral position when accepting (or not accepting) party donations is important to the integrity of a party. The last thing you want is your government having conflicting interests over what they've pledged to do, and what the big corporate donors want them to do.

The green party may not be perfect, but at least they're moral.
@flmbnb2 - sorry don't have access to PC to provide full response.

Re nationalisation, greens intend to nationalise energy and railways according to our green MEP as a well as keeping the NHS public. Not sure what is wrong with partsparts of the NHS becoming private if it reduces costs and improves service, as long as it is still free to those who use it? Unless, of course, you are left wing anti-capitalist?

Re environment, the only mention from Alex Philips in her interview was her being anti tracking. Our green MEP had no mention of the environment at all in his vision.

These may be in the detailed manifesto but they are not what the candidates are focusing on. Who can we trust?
Ha, ha Patchy. The " there is NO mention of anything relating to environmental causes" comment fell flat and makes you like a real tool! Oh, and by the way, the first item on the Green flyer I got through the door for Keith Taylor is environment. I think you should stop spinning this one. You make a poor spin doctor.

I think you seem to object to the Greens having grown up over the years and having a decent suit of sensible policies unlike UKIP for example. What are their environmental policies? Who knows? Farage refuses to discuss any policies other than European exit, because if he did, he would be a laughing stock. Likewise, all other parties have a lot of domestic issues to the fore, a symptom of our distance from Europe.

This article is about party funding Patchy. Nobody is perfect and what is perfection anyway? But, tell me who has maintained a higher principle on funding than the Greens? Liberals? Refused to refund millions provided by a fraudster? Labour a party that delayed tobacco legislation due to a backhander and is locally funded by a developer and a Hedge Fund Manager (why is this not in the Argus?), Tories with an open door for the city if the price is right and UKIP in the pockets of a few city financiers. What a pleasant change that one political party has actually upheld their principles, rare indeed.
[quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]flmbn2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BURIRAM[/bold] wrote: Just shows how silly the Green Party is.[/p][/quote]Or honest[/p][/quote]Green party honest? The party that promotes itself as being pro-environment, when it is in fact controlled by the green-left who define themselves as an 'Eco-socialist anti-capitalist current within the Green Party'? This is confirmed by the green parties manifesto for the forthcoming European elections where there is NO mention of anything relating to environmental causes, and everything relating to anti-capitalist anti-big business and a return to nationalisation and policies of the labour party of the 60s. And the green-left, who hide in the background, leaving the green-centre to appear as the moderate face of the party, whilst they support viscous protest groups such as the UAF- who themselves evolved from the oxymoron Socialist Workers party? Perhaps Antony Tabatznik didn’t realise that whilst he thought he would be donating to a pro-environment party; he would actually funding a party that might well want to nationalise his pharmaceutical interests and this could lead to a conflict for the ideological greens? Perhaps the green party could provide a list of groups they would not accept donations from, and how they validate donations do in fact come from approved sources? Remember everyone - make sure you use your vote in the forthcoming elections - and make sure you vote for ANY party except green - you know how much money they have wasted on their vanity projects and what they have done to this once great city![/p][/quote]1) "there is NO mention of anything relating to environmental causes".. Its on page 4 of the mini manifesto under the headline 'Environment and climate change'. Pages 12-19 of the full manifesto all fall under the heading of 'preserving the planet'. I'm guessing you haven't fully taken the time to read the manifesto. 2) "return to nationalisation and policies of the labour party of the 60s." If you're referring to the nationalisation of public sector institutions, such as the NHS, the clue is in the name... Its the NATIONAL health service. What about that is supposed to be privatised? The point of NATIONAL insurance is to make a contribution, paying 'INSURANCE' that when you need medical care, it will be there. It was never intended to be split up and sold to the highest bidder just so the majority of people could continue to pay a tax on a service they are not only struggling to receive, but so that the owners of these companies can make a profit, which itself contributes nothing back into the economy. 3) "Perhaps the green party could provide a list of groups they would not accept donations from, and how they validate donations do in fact come from approved sources?" Having studied (albeit briefly) Power and Politics, i can honestly state that party donations and big business alliances with politicians are one of the biggest threats to democracy in this country. If a party relies on donations from certain businesses or corporate entities, this is of course going to effect how that particular party decides to write policy on matters which effect said business. You don't have to do much digging to see the kinds of people the coalition have on their board when writing legislature. Fast food corporations are hugely influential when writing policy to tackle obesity; Tobacco corporations have influence over health and smoking policies. This makes no sense, and it highlights why taking a moral position when accepting (or not accepting) party donations is important to the integrity of a party. The last thing you want is your government having conflicting interests over what they've pledged to do, and what the big corporate donors want them to do. The green party may not be perfect, but at least they're moral.[/p][/quote]@flmbnb2 - sorry don't have access to PC to provide full response. Re nationalisation, greens intend to nationalise energy and railways according to our green MEP as a well as keeping the NHS public. Not sure what is wrong with partsparts of the NHS becoming private if it reduces costs and improves service, as long as it is still free to those who use it? Unless, of course, you are left wing anti-capitalist? Re environment, the only mention from Alex Philips in her interview was her being anti tracking. Our green MEP had no mention of the environment at all in his vision. These may be in the detailed manifesto but they are not what the candidates are focusing on. Who can we trust?[/p][/quote]Ha, ha Patchy. The " there is NO mention of anything relating to environmental causes" comment fell flat and makes you like a real tool! Oh, and by the way, the first item on the Green flyer I got through the door for Keith Taylor is environment. I think you should stop spinning this one. You make a poor spin doctor. I think you seem to object to the Greens having grown up over the years and having a decent suit of sensible policies unlike UKIP for example. What are their environmental policies? Who knows? Farage refuses to discuss any policies other than European exit, because if he did, he would be a laughing stock. Likewise, all other parties have a lot of domestic issues to the fore, a symptom of our distance from Europe. This article is about party funding Patchy. Nobody is perfect and what is perfection anyway? But, tell me who has maintained a higher principle on funding than the Greens? Liberals? Refused to refund millions provided by a fraudster? Labour a party that delayed tobacco legislation due to a backhander and is locally funded by a developer and a Hedge Fund Manager (why is this not in the Argus?), Tories with an open door for the city if the price is right and UKIP in the pockets of a few city financiers. What a pleasant change that one political party has actually upheld their principles, rare indeed. HJarrs
  • Score: 0

9:14pm Tue 20 May 14

FatherTed11 says...

Haha. since when did they care about ethics?? Was that before their only MP became a criminal?
Haha. since when did they care about ethics?? Was that before their only MP became a criminal? FatherTed11
  • Score: -11

9:24pm Tue 20 May 14

HJarrs says...

FatherTed11 wrote:
Haha. since when did they care about ethics?? Was that before their only MP became a criminal?
UKIP don't have an MP. But, plenty of MEPs slurping as much Euro gravy as they can get.
[quote][p][bold]FatherTed11[/bold] wrote: Haha. since when did they care about ethics?? Was that before their only MP became a criminal?[/p][/quote]UKIP don't have an MP. But, plenty of MEPs slurping as much Euro gravy as they can get. HJarrs
  • Score: 5

9:30pm Tue 20 May 14

brighton bluenose says...

FatherTed11 wrote:
Haha. since when did they care about ethics?? Was that before their only MP became a criminal?
At least she showed she had some cojones and stood up for what she believes in rather than writing some w@nky comment on here!!
[quote][p][bold]FatherTed11[/bold] wrote: Haha. since when did they care about ethics?? Was that before their only MP became a criminal?[/p][/quote]At least she showed she had some cojones and stood up for what she believes in rather than writing some w@nky comment on here!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: 5

9:51pm Tue 20 May 14

FatherTed11 says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
FatherTed11 wrote:
Haha. since when did they care about ethics?? Was that before their only MP became a criminal?
At least she showed she had some cojones and stood up for what she believes in rather than writing some w@nky comment on here!!
Yes nothing is better than a criminal who stands up what they beleive in.
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FatherTed11[/bold] wrote: Haha. since when did they care about ethics?? Was that before their only MP became a criminal?[/p][/quote]At least she showed she had some cojones and stood up for what she believes in rather than writing some w@nky comment on here!![/p][/quote]Yes nothing is better than a criminal who stands up what they beleive in. FatherTed11
  • Score: -5

10:00pm Tue 20 May 14

brighton bluenose says...

FatherTed11 wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
FatherTed11 wrote:
Haha. since when did they care about ethics?? Was that before their only MP became a criminal?
At least she showed she had some cojones and stood up for what she believes in rather than writing some w@nky comment on here!!
Yes nothing is better than a criminal who stands up what they beleive in.
And you thumbsed-up your own post too - very sad!
[quote][p][bold]FatherTed11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FatherTed11[/bold] wrote: Haha. since when did they care about ethics?? Was that before their only MP became a criminal?[/p][/quote]At least she showed she had some cojones and stood up for what she believes in rather than writing some w@nky comment on here!![/p][/quote]Yes nothing is better than a criminal who stands up what they beleive in.[/p][/quote]And you thumbsed-up your own post too - very sad! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -4

10:33pm Tue 20 May 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

Stop trolling bluenose. The place is a dump and is worse now than ever but what do you expect when the green MP is camped in Balcombe and twitters on about herbal medicines and page 3 girls and the green councillors are more interested in armchair anarchy and middle eastern politics than running a local council. They have been in power for more than three years and the levels of recycling are at their lowest since 2007. If a Green Party can't get that right then it really is time for them to admit they're hopeless but I guess they want to attend a few more freebie events and claim another years allowances.
I've not seen a single community partnership or initiative from any green councillors. Lazy allowance claimers blaming everyone else and doing nothing.
I actually believe a 6th form student council would have more ability.
Stop trolling bluenose. The place is a dump and is worse now than ever but what do you expect when the green MP is camped in Balcombe and twitters on about herbal medicines and page 3 girls and the green councillors are more interested in armchair anarchy and middle eastern politics than running a local council. They have been in power for more than three years and the levels of recycling are at their lowest since 2007. If a Green Party can't get that right then it really is time for them to admit they're hopeless but I guess they want to attend a few more freebie events and claim another years allowances. I've not seen a single community partnership or initiative from any green councillors. Lazy allowance claimers blaming everyone else and doing nothing. I actually believe a 6th form student council would have more ability. Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: -1

10:50pm Tue 20 May 14

brighton bluenose says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Stop trolling bluenose. The place is a dump and is worse now than ever but what do you expect when the green MP is camped in Balcombe and twitters on about herbal medicines and page 3 girls and the green councillors are more interested in armchair anarchy and middle eastern politics than running a local council. They have been in power for more than three years and the levels of recycling are at their lowest since 2007. If a Green Party can't get that right then it really is time for them to admit they're hopeless but I guess they want to attend a few more freebie events and claim another years allowances.
I've not seen a single community partnership or initiative from any green councillors. Lazy allowance claimers blaming everyone else and doing nothing.
I actually believe a 6th form student council would have more ability.
More tiresome clichés - recycling peaked in 2008-2009 and has been falling ever since for reasons that I admittedly am not sure about!
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Stop trolling bluenose. The place is a dump and is worse now than ever but what do you expect when the green MP is camped in Balcombe and twitters on about herbal medicines and page 3 girls and the green councillors are more interested in armchair anarchy and middle eastern politics than running a local council. They have been in power for more than three years and the levels of recycling are at their lowest since 2007. If a Green Party can't get that right then it really is time for them to admit they're hopeless but I guess they want to attend a few more freebie events and claim another years allowances. I've not seen a single community partnership or initiative from any green councillors. Lazy allowance claimers blaming everyone else and doing nothing. I actually believe a 6th form student council would have more ability.[/p][/quote]More tiresome clichés - recycling peaked in 2008-2009 and has been falling ever since for reasons that I admittedly am not sure about! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -4

7:25am Wed 21 May 14

Eugenius says...

Labour in the late nineties/early 2000s wasted money on vanity projects such as EB4U and closing down Stanley Deason school without replacing it, and let's not forget outsourcing the refuse and recycling service to SITA before later having to pay to buy back the contract. The streets were much dirtier those days than they are right now.

And we can't pretend than the strike last year over equal pay allowances has not had an impact on recycling rates. There were credible reports from staff that bin lorries were being actively sabotaged as part of the work to rule. And the underlying cause of the strike was a serious legal issue of male groups of manual workers being paid much higher overtime allowances than women in similar job groups. The council had been under a legal duty to resolve this since the merger of Brighton and Hove (with parts of ESCC) and could have done so with less disruption when there was more money available in the boom years until leaving for a future administration to deal with on top of austerity budget cuts of £25m per year and time running out to prevent a class action lawsuit which could have bankrupted the council. Birmingham city council got this badly wrong and now have a legal bill of £900m to pay, which will undoubtedly lead to thousands of job losses. So no more lectures please about Labour civic competence or how the streets were cleaner - they weren't.

At least the Greens are now doing something about the situation with cleaner communal bins being rolled out and new refuse trucks being purchased. Hopefully we've turned the corner and residents should see improvements over the course of the summer.
Labour in the late nineties/early 2000s wasted money on vanity projects such as EB4U and closing down Stanley Deason school without replacing it, and let's not forget outsourcing the refuse and recycling service to SITA before later having to pay to buy back the contract. The streets were much dirtier those days than they are right now. And we can't pretend than the strike last year over equal pay allowances has not had an impact on recycling rates. There were credible reports from staff that bin lorries were being actively sabotaged as part of the work to rule. And the underlying cause of the strike was a serious legal issue of male groups of manual workers being paid much higher overtime allowances than women in similar job groups. The council had been under a legal duty to resolve this since the merger of Brighton and Hove (with parts of ESCC) and could have done so with less disruption when there was more money available in the boom years until leaving for a future administration to deal with on top of austerity budget cuts of £25m per year and time running out to prevent a class action lawsuit which could have bankrupted the council. Birmingham city council got this badly wrong and now have a legal bill of £900m to pay, which will undoubtedly lead to thousands of job losses. So no more lectures please about Labour civic competence or how the streets were cleaner - they weren't. At least the Greens are now doing something about the situation with cleaner communal bins being rolled out and new refuse trucks being purchased. Hopefully we've turned the corner and residents should see improvements over the course of the summer. Eugenius
  • Score: 6

7:38am Wed 21 May 14

HJarrs says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Stop trolling bluenose. The place is a dump and is worse now than ever but what do you expect when the green MP is camped in Balcombe and twitters on about herbal medicines and page 3 girls and the green councillors are more interested in armchair anarchy and middle eastern politics than running a local council. They have been in power for more than three years and the levels of recycling are at their lowest since 2007. If a Green Party can't get that right then it really is time for them to admit they're hopeless but I guess they want to attend a few more freebie events and claim another years allowances.
I've not seen a single community partnership or initiative from any green councillors. Lazy allowance claimers blaming everyone else and doing nothing.
I actually believe a 6th form student council would have more ability.
More tiresome clichés - recycling peaked in 2008-2009 and has been falling ever since for reasons that I admittedly am not sure about!
Recycling peaked just before the opening of a very expensive PFI financed recycling centre and signing of long term contracts for recycling. Maxwell is supposed to be a journalist, he should look into this. Last year recycling fell to a nadir following bin strikes over allowances and a poor roll out of new rounds. So, that is Labour, Conservatives and Greens not covered in clover on bins and recycling.

Still, this is not the topic, it is party funding. Tell us about the big donors to the Labour Party Maxwell, did you know that there was one donor to Labour last year that gave more than the annual turnover of the Greens. This year one Tory donor has given two times the turnover of the Greens. It is David Green versus the bloated Goliaths of Labour, Conservatives and UKIP. Fortunately, there are lots of decent hard working people from all backgrounds who put time and effort in to get the Greens elected because we want to make this a better place to live, to improve quality of life and tackle the environmental issues that threaten us.
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Stop trolling bluenose. The place is a dump and is worse now than ever but what do you expect when the green MP is camped in Balcombe and twitters on about herbal medicines and page 3 girls and the green councillors are more interested in armchair anarchy and middle eastern politics than running a local council. They have been in power for more than three years and the levels of recycling are at their lowest since 2007. If a Green Party can't get that right then it really is time for them to admit they're hopeless but I guess they want to attend a few more freebie events and claim another years allowances. I've not seen a single community partnership or initiative from any green councillors. Lazy allowance claimers blaming everyone else and doing nothing. I actually believe a 6th form student council would have more ability.[/p][/quote]More tiresome clichés - recycling peaked in 2008-2009 and has been falling ever since for reasons that I admittedly am not sure about![/p][/quote]Recycling peaked just before the opening of a very expensive PFI financed recycling centre and signing of long term contracts for recycling. Maxwell is supposed to be a journalist, he should look into this. Last year recycling fell to a nadir following bin strikes over allowances and a poor roll out of new rounds. So, that is Labour, Conservatives and Greens not covered in clover on bins and recycling. Still, this is not the topic, it is party funding. Tell us about the big donors to the Labour Party Maxwell, did you know that there was one donor to Labour last year that gave more than the annual turnover of the Greens. This year one Tory donor has given two times the turnover of the Greens. It is David Green versus the bloated Goliaths of Labour, Conservatives and UKIP. Fortunately, there are lots of decent hard working people from all backgrounds who put time and effort in to get the Greens elected because we want to make this a better place to live, to improve quality of life and tackle the environmental issues that threaten us. HJarrs
  • Score: 6

7:43am Wed 21 May 14

Eugenius says...

Or how about Labour controlled Brent closing down six of their public libraries in 2011? Ed Milliband and Ed Balls have of course pledged not to reverse the coalition's cuts and to maintain the austerity drive for another decade. Nationally they are whole-heartedly supporting the cuts to the fire service budget too. So this myth about "getting the basics right" is a downright lie, please don't be taken in.
Or how about Labour controlled Brent closing down six of their public libraries in 2011? Ed Milliband and Ed Balls have of course pledged not to reverse the coalition's cuts and to maintain the austerity drive for another decade. Nationally they are whole-heartedly supporting the cuts to the fire service budget too. So this myth about "getting the basics right" is a downright lie, please don't be taken in. Eugenius
  • Score: 4

7:47am Wed 21 May 14

brighton bluenose says...

Eugenius & H Jarrs
I salute you for providing additional clarity on the issues under discussion - and dumping (pun intended!) MG right back in his place!!
Eugenius & H Jarrs I salute you for providing additional clarity on the issues under discussion - and dumping (pun intended!) MG right back in his place!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: 1

8:03am Wed 21 May 14

Eugenius says...

Valerie Paynter wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
pachallis wrote:
Just trying to earn a crust wrote:
westpiergone wrote:
Roll on Thursday,hopefully this shower of sh*t will be gone & Brighton & Hove will be run by somebody who actually cares about the town & its people !
Of course they'll still 'run' Brighton and Hove. Thursdays election is to elect MEPs. Do try and keep up
There is a situation where the Greens COULD lose control after Thursday!

I think the current split of councillors is:

Green 22
Conservative 18
Labour 14

Alex Philips and Jason Kitcat (Lucas disciples) are standing as MEPs for the Green part in the South East on Thursday. If there were a large enough swing to the Greens then they would lose 2 seats and there would have to be elections to replace them.

If these seats went to the Conservatives then it would be a hung council between Greens and Conservatives which could prove interesting?

Of course what we really need is a full council election, which the greens know would be disastrous for them - hence Alex and Jason desperate to leave the city ASAP and jump about the Euro Gravy Train...
My God - now I'm very tempted to vote Green on Thursday !
If you do, please choose Jason Kitcat. He is a policy and practice worker of great capacity, willingness and ability who would get stuck in and do the work. Alex is a political animal good on the doorstep and for political competition - the game of politics that promotes the Green Party. Which would you prefer to have working in Brussels for our national interests?

There is no Green Party of a properly environmental persuasion. Someone needs to form one.
I like Alex, she's feisty and will stake her reputation on kicking some **** in Brussels and making a positive difference for the South East on the environment or animal rights. Keith Taylor in his term has led on banning bee-harming insecticides and tightening up legislation on animal experimentation and live exports. If together they can win new EU subsidies for green energy investment instead of fracking which pollutes the environment and is a dangerous short-term fix then that would be a big win.
[quote][p][bold]Valerie Paynter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Just trying to earn a crust[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]westpiergone[/bold] wrote: Roll on Thursday,hopefully this shower of sh*t will be gone & Brighton & Hove will be run by somebody who actually cares about the town & its people ![/p][/quote]Of course they'll still 'run' Brighton and Hove. Thursdays election is to elect MEPs. Do try and keep up[/p][/quote]There is a situation where the Greens COULD lose control after Thursday! I think the current split of councillors is: Green 22 Conservative 18 Labour 14 Alex Philips and Jason Kitcat (Lucas disciples) are standing as MEPs for the Green part in the South East on Thursday. If there were a large enough swing to the Greens then they would lose 2 seats and there would have to be elections to replace them. If these seats went to the Conservatives then it would be a hung council between Greens and Conservatives which could prove interesting? Of course what we really need is a full council election, which the greens know would be disastrous for them - hence Alex and Jason desperate to leave the city ASAP and jump about the Euro Gravy Train...[/p][/quote]My God - now I'm very tempted to vote Green on Thursday ![/p][/quote]If you do, please choose Jason Kitcat. He is a policy and practice worker of great capacity, willingness and ability who would get stuck in and do the work. Alex is a political animal good on the doorstep and for political competition - the game of politics that promotes the Green Party. Which would you prefer to have working in Brussels for our national interests? There is no Green Party of a properly environmental persuasion. Someone needs to form one.[/p][/quote]I like Alex, she's feisty and will stake her reputation on kicking some **** in Brussels and making a positive difference for the South East on the environment or animal rights. Keith Taylor in his term has led on banning bee-harming insecticides and tightening up legislation on animal experimentation and live exports. If together they can win new EU subsidies for green energy investment instead of fracking which pollutes the environment and is a dangerous short-term fix then that would be a big win. Eugenius
  • Score: 0

8:54am Wed 21 May 14

pachallis says...

HJarrs wrote:
pachallis wrote:
flmbn2 wrote:
pachallis wrote:
gheese77 wrote:
BURIRAM wrote:
Just shows how silly the Green Party is.
Or honest
Green party honest?

The party that promotes itself as being pro-environment, when it is in fact controlled by the green-left who define themselves as an 'Eco-socialist anti-capitalist current within the Green Party'?

This is confirmed by the green parties manifesto for the forthcoming European elections where there is NO mention of anything relating to environmental causes, and everything relating to anti-capitalist anti-big business and a return to nationalisation and policies of the labour party of the 60s.

And the green-left, who hide in the background, leaving the green-centre to appear as the moderate face of the party, whilst they support viscous protest groups such as the UAF- who themselves evolved from the oxymoron Socialist Workers party?

Perhaps Antony Tabatznik didn’t realise that whilst he thought he would be donating to a pro-environment party; he would actually funding a party that might well want to nationalise his pharmaceutical interests and this could lead to a conflict for the ideological greens?

Perhaps the green party could provide a list of groups they would not accept donations from, and how they validate donations do in fact come from approved sources?

Remember everyone - make sure you use your vote in the forthcoming elections - and make sure you vote for ANY party except green - you know how much money they have wasted on their vanity projects and what they have done to this once great city!
1) "there is NO mention of anything relating to environmental causes".. Its on page 4 of the mini manifesto under the headline 'Environment and climate change'. Pages 12-19 of the full manifesto all fall under the heading of 'preserving the planet'. I'm guessing you haven't fully taken the time to read the manifesto.

2) "return to nationalisation and policies of the labour party of the 60s." If you're referring to the nationalisation of public sector institutions, such as the NHS, the clue is in the name... Its the NATIONAL health service. What about that is supposed to be privatised? The point of NATIONAL insurance is to make a contribution, paying 'INSURANCE' that when you need medical care, it will be there. It was never intended to be split up and sold to the highest bidder just so the majority of people could continue to pay a tax on a service they are not only struggling to receive, but so that the owners of these companies can make a profit, which itself contributes nothing back into the economy.

3) "Perhaps the green party could provide a list of groups they would not accept donations from, and how they validate donations do in fact come from approved sources?" Having studied (albeit briefly) Power and Politics, i can honestly state that party donations and big business alliances with politicians are one of the biggest threats to democracy in this country. If a party relies on donations from certain businesses or corporate entities, this is of course going to effect how that particular party decides to write policy on matters which effect said business. You don't have to do much digging to see the kinds of people the coalition have on their board when writing legislature. Fast food corporations are hugely influential when writing policy to tackle obesity; Tobacco corporations have influence over health and smoking policies. This makes no sense, and it highlights why taking a moral position when accepting (or not accepting) party donations is important to the integrity of a party. The last thing you want is your government having conflicting interests over what they've pledged to do, and what the big corporate donors want them to do.

The green party may not be perfect, but at least they're moral.
@flmbnb2 - sorry don't have access to PC to provide full response.

Re nationalisation, greens intend to nationalise energy and railways according to our green MEP as a well as keeping the NHS public. Not sure what is wrong with partsparts of the NHS becoming private if it reduces costs and improves service, as long as it is still free to those who use it? Unless, of course, you are left wing anti-capitalist?

Re environment, the only mention from Alex Philips in her interview was her being anti tracking. Our green MEP had no mention of the environment at all in his vision.

These may be in the detailed manifesto but they are not what the candidates are focusing on. Who can we trust?
Ha, ha Patchy. The " there is NO mention of anything relating to environmental causes" comment fell flat and makes you like a real tool! Oh, and by the way, the first item on the Green flyer I got through the door for Keith Taylor is environment. I think you should stop spinning this one. You make a poor spin doctor.

I think you seem to object to the Greens having grown up over the years and having a decent suit of sensible policies unlike UKIP for example. What are their environmental policies? Who knows? Farage refuses to discuss any policies other than European exit, because if he did, he would be a laughing stock. Likewise, all other parties have a lot of domestic issues to the fore, a symptom of our distance from Europe.

This article is about party funding Patchy. Nobody is perfect and what is perfection anyway? But, tell me who has maintained a higher principle on funding than the Greens? Liberals? Refused to refund millions provided by a fraudster? Labour a party that delayed tobacco legislation due to a backhander and is locally funded by a developer and a Hedge Fund Manager (why is this not in the Argus?), Tories with an open door for the city if the price is right and UKIP in the pockets of a few city financiers. What a pleasant change that one political party has actually upheld their principles, rare indeed.
@HJarrs - sorry I was unable to get online yesterday evening, but I see you've been busy.

I see you are back to your usual insults - I have come to expect that from you. Then it is straight back to you attacking the opposition and implying that the greens are better - hilarious!

You really are a pathetic advert for the green party! Didn't Fercri Sakes tell you to stop posting?

Regarding the green manifesto I point you to the interview with Alexandra Phillips on the Brighton & Hove News web site entitled 'Youngest Green councillor in Brighton and Hove aims for seat in the European Parliament'. I am surprised you haven't been on there as well insulting all the posters.

With regards to the Green manifesto I point you to Keith Taylor’s posting on what the greens stand for:

1. Keeping the NHS Public
2. Paying workers a living wage
3. Defending public services
4. Creating sustainable jobs
5. Protecting pensions and ending fuel poverty
6. Nationalising rail and energy companies
7. Abolishing tuition fees and increasing HE spending
8. Increasing science funding

So NO mention of anything to do with the environment – I repeat the only mention is related to being against fracking, which all other parties and the UN are in favour of as an emission lowering migration path to sustainable energy.

The only grass roots support for the environment seems to come from a few loyal supporters such as yourself - the rest seem to be desperately looking to save their political careers by changing from centre-green to left-pink in an attempt to woo voters.

How much time does Caroline spend on the environment and how much on her pet projects such as feminism, drug dens and supporting travellers?

Keith’s green manifesto does just sound like the labour party of the 1960s – hence their attacks on Labour. It will be interesting to see where the money for all these grandiose schemes will come from?

As regards to lack of principles and morals, the problem is that this tends to be an in individual basis these days. What one person calls morally justified the other can say is morally wrong. I don't use the word 'ethics' as in the US this sees to mean 'obeying the law'.

Is it morally right to encourage protesters to verbally and physically abuse the opposition - I'm thinking here of the Cuadrilla workers and those attending the UKIP meetings?

Is it morally right to eject Christians from the Green Party because they disagree with same-sex marriages?

Is it morally right to spread misinformation and fear about the dangers of fracking and split the inhabitants of a Sussex village into opposing camps?

Is it morally right to promote the greens as an environmental party when behind the scenes they are really just an left-wing anti-capitalist anti-big business group?

I suppose for the greens if 'the ends justify the means' then it is morally okay - just ignore anyone that disagrees with you! Look what has happened with Brighton & Hove City Council and all the green projects.

Yes - the big parties probably are linked to big business and are encouraging them to grow both in the UK and globally - IMHO a lot better than being green and trying to destroy big business and move us towards a communist state!

Finally, may I wish the left-wing anti-capitalist Green candidates every failure in tomorrow's European elections. However if we can lose Alexandra Phillips to Europe there will probably be great cheers from the Goldsmid ratepayers.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]flmbn2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BURIRAM[/bold] wrote: Just shows how silly the Green Party is.[/p][/quote]Or honest[/p][/quote]Green party honest? The party that promotes itself as being pro-environment, when it is in fact controlled by the green-left who define themselves as an 'Eco-socialist anti-capitalist current within the Green Party'? This is confirmed by the green parties manifesto for the forthcoming European elections where there is NO mention of anything relating to environmental causes, and everything relating to anti-capitalist anti-big business and a return to nationalisation and policies of the labour party of the 60s. And the green-left, who hide in the background, leaving the green-centre to appear as the moderate face of the party, whilst they support viscous protest groups such as the UAF- who themselves evolved from the oxymoron Socialist Workers party? Perhaps Antony Tabatznik didn’t realise that whilst he thought he would be donating to a pro-environment party; he would actually funding a party that might well want to nationalise his pharmaceutical interests and this could lead to a conflict for the ideological greens? Perhaps the green party could provide a list of groups they would not accept donations from, and how they validate donations do in fact come from approved sources? Remember everyone - make sure you use your vote in the forthcoming elections - and make sure you vote for ANY party except green - you know how much money they have wasted on their vanity projects and what they have done to this once great city![/p][/quote]1) "there is NO mention of anything relating to environmental causes".. Its on page 4 of the mini manifesto under the headline 'Environment and climate change'. Pages 12-19 of the full manifesto all fall under the heading of 'preserving the planet'. I'm guessing you haven't fully taken the time to read the manifesto. 2) "return to nationalisation and policies of the labour party of the 60s." If you're referring to the nationalisation of public sector institutions, such as the NHS, the clue is in the name... Its the NATIONAL health service. What about that is supposed to be privatised? The point of NATIONAL insurance is to make a contribution, paying 'INSURANCE' that when you need medical care, it will be there. It was never intended to be split up and sold to the highest bidder just so the majority of people could continue to pay a tax on a service they are not only struggling to receive, but so that the owners of these companies can make a profit, which itself contributes nothing back into the economy. 3) "Perhaps the green party could provide a list of groups they would not accept donations from, and how they validate donations do in fact come from approved sources?" Having studied (albeit briefly) Power and Politics, i can honestly state that party donations and big business alliances with politicians are one of the biggest threats to democracy in this country. If a party relies on donations from certain businesses or corporate entities, this is of course going to effect how that particular party decides to write policy on matters which effect said business. You don't have to do much digging to see the kinds of people the coalition have on their board when writing legislature. Fast food corporations are hugely influential when writing policy to tackle obesity; Tobacco corporations have influence over health and smoking policies. This makes no sense, and it highlights why taking a moral position when accepting (or not accepting) party donations is important to the integrity of a party. The last thing you want is your government having conflicting interests over what they've pledged to do, and what the big corporate donors want them to do. The green party may not be perfect, but at least they're moral.[/p][/quote]@flmbnb2 - sorry don't have access to PC to provide full response. Re nationalisation, greens intend to nationalise energy and railways according to our green MEP as a well as keeping the NHS public. Not sure what is wrong with partsparts of the NHS becoming private if it reduces costs and improves service, as long as it is still free to those who use it? Unless, of course, you are left wing anti-capitalist? Re environment, the only mention from Alex Philips in her interview was her being anti tracking. Our green MEP had no mention of the environment at all in his vision. These may be in the detailed manifesto but they are not what the candidates are focusing on. Who can we trust?[/p][/quote]Ha, ha Patchy. The " there is NO mention of anything relating to environmental causes" comment fell flat and makes you like a real tool! Oh, and by the way, the first item on the Green flyer I got through the door for Keith Taylor is environment. I think you should stop spinning this one. You make a poor spin doctor. I think you seem to object to the Greens having grown up over the years and having a decent suit of sensible policies unlike UKIP for example. What are their environmental policies? Who knows? Farage refuses to discuss any policies other than European exit, because if he did, he would be a laughing stock. Likewise, all other parties have a lot of domestic issues to the fore, a symptom of our distance from Europe. This article is about party funding Patchy. Nobody is perfect and what is perfection anyway? But, tell me who has maintained a higher principle on funding than the Greens? Liberals? Refused to refund millions provided by a fraudster? Labour a party that delayed tobacco legislation due to a backhander and is locally funded by a developer and a Hedge Fund Manager (why is this not in the Argus?), Tories with an open door for the city if the price is right and UKIP in the pockets of a few city financiers. What a pleasant change that one political party has actually upheld their principles, rare indeed.[/p][/quote]@HJarrs - sorry I was unable to get online yesterday evening, but I see you've been busy. I see you are back to your usual insults - I have come to expect that from you. Then it is straight back to you attacking the opposition and implying that the greens are better - hilarious! You really are a pathetic advert for the green party! Didn't Fercri Sakes tell you to stop posting? Regarding the green manifesto I point you to the interview with Alexandra Phillips on the Brighton & Hove News web site entitled 'Youngest Green councillor in Brighton and Hove aims for seat in the European Parliament'. I am surprised you haven't been on there as well insulting all the posters. With regards to the Green manifesto I point you to Keith Taylor’s posting on what the greens stand for: 1. Keeping the NHS Public 2. Paying workers a living wage 3. Defending public services 4. Creating sustainable jobs 5. Protecting pensions and ending fuel poverty 6. Nationalising rail and energy companies 7. Abolishing tuition fees and increasing HE spending 8. Increasing science funding So NO mention of anything to do with the environment – I repeat the only mention is related to being against fracking, which all other parties and the UN are in favour of as an emission lowering migration path to sustainable energy. The only grass roots support for the environment seems to come from a few loyal supporters such as yourself - the rest seem to be desperately looking to save their political careers by changing from centre-green to left-pink in an attempt to woo voters. How much time does Caroline spend on the environment and how much on her pet projects such as feminism, drug dens and supporting travellers? Keith’s green manifesto does just sound like the labour party of the 1960s – hence their attacks on Labour. It will be interesting to see where the money for all these grandiose schemes will come from? As regards to lack of principles and morals, the problem is that this tends to be an in individual basis these days. What one person calls morally justified the other can say is morally wrong. I don't use the word 'ethics' as in the US this sees to mean 'obeying the law'. Is it morally right to encourage protesters to verbally and physically abuse the opposition - I'm thinking here of the Cuadrilla workers and those attending the UKIP meetings? Is it morally right to eject Christians from the Green Party because they disagree with same-sex marriages? Is it morally right to spread misinformation and fear about the dangers of fracking and split the inhabitants of a Sussex village into opposing camps? Is it morally right to promote the greens as an environmental party when behind the scenes they are really just an left-wing anti-capitalist anti-big business group? I suppose for the greens if 'the ends justify the means' then it is morally okay - just ignore anyone that disagrees with you! Look what has happened with Brighton & Hove City Council and all the green projects. Yes - the big parties probably are linked to big business and are encouraging them to grow both in the UK and globally - IMHO a lot better than being green and trying to destroy big business and move us towards a communist state! Finally, may I wish the left-wing anti-capitalist Green candidates every failure in tomorrow's European elections. However if we can lose Alexandra Phillips to Europe there will probably be great cheers from the Goldsmid ratepayers. pachallis
  • Score: -4

8:54am Wed 21 May 14

Mr P Brown says...

Eugenius wrote:
Or how about Labour controlled Brent closing down six of their public libraries in 2011? Ed Milliband and Ed Balls have of course pledged not to reverse the coalition's cuts and to maintain the austerity drive for another decade. Nationally they are whole-heartedly supporting the cuts to the fire service budget too. So this myth about "getting the basics right" is a downright lie, please don't be taken in.
You obviously forget that your beloved greens closed Brighton and Hove's mobile library service in 2013, the green supporters are in no position to go throwing mud at others, when they a guilty of making such a mess of our city
[quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: Or how about Labour controlled Brent closing down six of their public libraries in 2011? Ed Milliband and Ed Balls have of course pledged not to reverse the coalition's cuts and to maintain the austerity drive for another decade. Nationally they are whole-heartedly supporting the cuts to the fire service budget too. So this myth about "getting the basics right" is a downright lie, please don't be taken in.[/p][/quote]You obviously forget that your beloved greens closed Brighton and Hove's mobile library service in 2013, the green supporters are in no position to go throwing mud at others, when they a guilty of making such a mess of our city Mr P Brown
  • Score: -4

9:01am Wed 21 May 14

Eugenius says...

Mr P Brown wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
Or how about Labour controlled Brent closing down six of their public libraries in 2011? Ed Milliband and Ed Balls have of course pledged not to reverse the coalition's cuts and to maintain the austerity drive for another decade. Nationally they are whole-heartedly supporting the cuts to the fire service budget too. So this myth about "getting the basics right" is a downright lie, please don't be taken in.
You obviously forget that your beloved greens closed Brighton and Hove's mobile library service in 2013, the green supporters are in no position to go throwing mud at others, when they a guilty of making such a mess of our city
There was no money to pay for repairing the mobile library vehicle (it was an empty promise from Labour, who cut our funding after voting with the Tories for a tax freeze (a real-term cut) in 2011.

So as the next best solution the Green administration hired new library outreach workers to enable books to be brought to people's homes if they are to infirm to make it out to the libraries.
[quote][p][bold]Mr P Brown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: Or how about Labour controlled Brent closing down six of their public libraries in 2011? Ed Milliband and Ed Balls have of course pledged not to reverse the coalition's cuts and to maintain the austerity drive for another decade. Nationally they are whole-heartedly supporting the cuts to the fire service budget too. So this myth about "getting the basics right" is a downright lie, please don't be taken in.[/p][/quote]You obviously forget that your beloved greens closed Brighton and Hove's mobile library service in 2013, the green supporters are in no position to go throwing mud at others, when they a guilty of making such a mess of our city[/p][/quote]There was no money to pay for repairing the mobile library vehicle (it was an empty promise from Labour, who cut our funding after voting with the Tories for a tax freeze (a real-term cut) in 2011. So as the next best solution the Green administration hired new library outreach workers to enable books to be brought to people's homes if they are to infirm to make it out to the libraries. Eugenius
  • Score: 2

9:09am Wed 21 May 14

brighton bluenose says...

Mr P Brown wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
Or how about Labour controlled Brent closing down six of their public libraries in 2011? Ed Milliband and Ed Balls have of course pledged not to reverse the coalition's cuts and to maintain the austerity drive for another decade. Nationally they are whole-heartedly supporting the cuts to the fire service budget too. So this myth about "getting the basics right" is a downright lie, please don't be taken in.
You obviously forget that your beloved greens closed Brighton and Hove's mobile library service in 2013, the green supporters are in no position to go throwing mud at others, when they a guilty of making such a mess of our city
Christ almighty - do you think that was part of the Green Manifesto?
Do you REALLY think that they WANTED to do that??!!!
Or do you think that it might be because they had to make some very difficult decisions due to severe government cuts to local authority funding - partially caused by poor handling of the economy by the 'main' parties??!!
Anyone with a bit of common-sense knows the answer!!
[quote][p][bold]Mr P Brown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: Or how about Labour controlled Brent closing down six of their public libraries in 2011? Ed Milliband and Ed Balls have of course pledged not to reverse the coalition's cuts and to maintain the austerity drive for another decade. Nationally they are whole-heartedly supporting the cuts to the fire service budget too. So this myth about "getting the basics right" is a downright lie, please don't be taken in.[/p][/quote]You obviously forget that your beloved greens closed Brighton and Hove's mobile library service in 2013, the green supporters are in no position to go throwing mud at others, when they a guilty of making such a mess of our city[/p][/quote]Christ almighty - do you think that was part of the Green Manifesto? Do you REALLY think that they WANTED to do that??!!! Or do you think that it might be because they had to make some very difficult decisions due to severe government cuts to local authority funding - partially caused by poor handling of the economy by the 'main' parties??!! Anyone with a bit of common-sense knows the answer!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: 0

9:15am Wed 21 May 14

fredflintstone1 says...

Eugenius wrote:
Valerie Paynter wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
pachallis wrote:
Just trying to earn a crust wrote:
westpiergone wrote:
Roll on Thursday,hopefully this shower of sh*t will be gone & Brighton & Hove will be run by somebody who actually cares about the town & its people !
Of course they'll still 'run' Brighton and Hove. Thursdays election is to elect MEPs. Do try and keep up
There is a situation where the Greens COULD lose control after Thursday!

I think the current split of councillors is:

Green 22
Conservative 18
Labour 14

Alex Philips and Jason Kitcat (Lucas disciples) are standing as MEPs for the Green part in the South East on Thursday. If there were a large enough swing to the Greens then they would lose 2 seats and there would have to be elections to replace them.

If these seats went to the Conservatives then it would be a hung council between Greens and Conservatives which could prove interesting?

Of course what we really need is a full council election, which the greens know would be disastrous for them - hence Alex and Jason desperate to leave the city ASAP and jump about the Euro Gravy Train...
My God - now I'm very tempted to vote Green on Thursday !
If you do, please choose Jason Kitcat. He is a policy and practice worker of great capacity, willingness and ability who would get stuck in and do the work. Alex is a political animal good on the doorstep and for political competition - the game of politics that promotes the Green Party. Which would you prefer to have working in Brussels for our national interests?

There is no Green Party of a properly environmental persuasion. Someone needs to form one.
I like Alex, she's feisty and will stake her reputation on kicking some **** in Brussels and making a positive difference for the South East on the environment or animal rights. Keith Taylor in his term has led on banning bee-harming insecticides and tightening up legislation on animal experimentation and live exports. If together they can win new EU subsidies for green energy investment instead of fracking which pollutes the environment and is a dangerous short-term fix then that would be a big win.
Haven't noticed your friend Alex opposing the current proposals to use free-roaming sheep and cattle for traffic calming purposes on the Ditchling Road, where they and people will undoubtedly be killed in collisions if this scheme goes ahead?

Or indeed, expressing any concerns about how generally, sheep are being exploited in this city as animated disposable mowers, in areas that are often not suitable or safe for them?

Don't recall reading any comments from her either about the fish that were left to die in skips in Preston Park, nor indeed about the way the newts were left to desiccate there afterwards? Did she call for an investigation and for those responsible to be held to account?

What has she actually said on local issues of this type??
[quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Valerie Paynter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Just trying to earn a crust[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]westpiergone[/bold] wrote: Roll on Thursday,hopefully this shower of sh*t will be gone & Brighton & Hove will be run by somebody who actually cares about the town & its people ![/p][/quote]Of course they'll still 'run' Brighton and Hove. Thursdays election is to elect MEPs. Do try and keep up[/p][/quote]There is a situation where the Greens COULD lose control after Thursday! I think the current split of councillors is: Green 22 Conservative 18 Labour 14 Alex Philips and Jason Kitcat (Lucas disciples) are standing as MEPs for the Green part in the South East on Thursday. If there were a large enough swing to the Greens then they would lose 2 seats and there would have to be elections to replace them. If these seats went to the Conservatives then it would be a hung council between Greens and Conservatives which could prove interesting? Of course what we really need is a full council election, which the greens know would be disastrous for them - hence Alex and Jason desperate to leave the city ASAP and jump about the Euro Gravy Train...[/p][/quote]My God - now I'm very tempted to vote Green on Thursday ![/p][/quote]If you do, please choose Jason Kitcat. He is a policy and practice worker of great capacity, willingness and ability who would get stuck in and do the work. Alex is a political animal good on the doorstep and for political competition - the game of politics that promotes the Green Party. Which would you prefer to have working in Brussels for our national interests? There is no Green Party of a properly environmental persuasion. Someone needs to form one.[/p][/quote]I like Alex, she's feisty and will stake her reputation on kicking some **** in Brussels and making a positive difference for the South East on the environment or animal rights. Keith Taylor in his term has led on banning bee-harming insecticides and tightening up legislation on animal experimentation and live exports. If together they can win new EU subsidies for green energy investment instead of fracking which pollutes the environment and is a dangerous short-term fix then that would be a big win.[/p][/quote]Haven't noticed your friend Alex opposing the current proposals to use free-roaming sheep and cattle for traffic calming purposes on the Ditchling Road, where they and people will undoubtedly be killed in collisions if this scheme goes ahead? Or indeed, expressing any concerns about how generally, sheep are being exploited in this city as animated disposable mowers, in areas that are often not suitable or safe for them? Don't recall reading any comments from her either about the fish that were left to die in skips in Preston Park, nor indeed about the way the newts were left to desiccate there afterwards? Did she call for an investigation and for those responsible to be held to account? What has she actually said on local issues of this type?? fredflintstone1
  • Score: -2

9:21am Wed 21 May 14

Eugenius says...

fredflintstone1 wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
Valerie Paynter wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
pachallis wrote:
Just trying to earn a crust wrote:
westpiergone wrote:
Roll on Thursday,hopefully this shower of sh*t will be gone & Brighton & Hove will be run by somebody who actually cares about the town & its people !
Of course they'll still 'run' Brighton and Hove. Thursdays election is to elect MEPs. Do try and keep up
There is a situation where the Greens COULD lose control after Thursday!

I think the current split of councillors is:

Green 22
Conservative 18
Labour 14

Alex Philips and Jason Kitcat (Lucas disciples) are standing as MEPs for the Green part in the South East on Thursday. If there were a large enough swing to the Greens then they would lose 2 seats and there would have to be elections to replace them.

If these seats went to the Conservatives then it would be a hung council between Greens and Conservatives which could prove interesting?

Of course what we really need is a full council election, which the greens know would be disastrous for them - hence Alex and Jason desperate to leave the city ASAP and jump about the Euro Gravy Train...
My God - now I'm very tempted to vote Green on Thursday !
If you do, please choose Jason Kitcat. He is a policy and practice worker of great capacity, willingness and ability who would get stuck in and do the work. Alex is a political animal good on the doorstep and for political competition - the game of politics that promotes the Green Party. Which would you prefer to have working in Brussels for our national interests?

There is no Green Party of a properly environmental persuasion. Someone needs to form one.
I like Alex, she's feisty and will stake her reputation on kicking some **** in Brussels and making a positive difference for the South East on the environment or animal rights. Keith Taylor in his term has led on banning bee-harming insecticides and tightening up legislation on animal experimentation and live exports. If together they can win new EU subsidies for green energy investment instead of fracking which pollutes the environment and is a dangerous short-term fix then that would be a big win.
Haven't noticed your friend Alex opposing the current proposals to use free-roaming sheep and cattle for traffic calming purposes on the Ditchling Road, where they and people will undoubtedly be killed in collisions if this scheme goes ahead?

Or indeed, expressing any concerns about how generally, sheep are being exploited in this city as animated disposable mowers, in areas that are often not suitable or safe for them?

Don't recall reading any comments from her either about the fish that were left to die in skips in Preston Park, nor indeed about the way the newts were left to desiccate there afterwards? Did she call for an investigation and for those responsible to be held to account?

What has she actually said on local issues of this type??
The council lost its ecologist in the Parks team as a result of cuts jointly voted through by Labour and Tories, not the Greens.
[quote][p][bold]fredflintstone1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Valerie Paynter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Just trying to earn a crust[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]westpiergone[/bold] wrote: Roll on Thursday,hopefully this shower of sh*t will be gone & Brighton & Hove will be run by somebody who actually cares about the town & its people ![/p][/quote]Of course they'll still 'run' Brighton and Hove. Thursdays election is to elect MEPs. Do try and keep up[/p][/quote]There is a situation where the Greens COULD lose control after Thursday! I think the current split of councillors is: Green 22 Conservative 18 Labour 14 Alex Philips and Jason Kitcat (Lucas disciples) are standing as MEPs for the Green part in the South East on Thursday. If there were a large enough swing to the Greens then they would lose 2 seats and there would have to be elections to replace them. If these seats went to the Conservatives then it would be a hung council between Greens and Conservatives which could prove interesting? Of course what we really need is a full council election, which the greens know would be disastrous for them - hence Alex and Jason desperate to leave the city ASAP and jump about the Euro Gravy Train...[/p][/quote]My God - now I'm very tempted to vote Green on Thursday ![/p][/quote]If you do, please choose Jason Kitcat. He is a policy and practice worker of great capacity, willingness and ability who would get stuck in and do the work. Alex is a political animal good on the doorstep and for political competition - the game of politics that promotes the Green Party. Which would you prefer to have working in Brussels for our national interests? There is no Green Party of a properly environmental persuasion. Someone needs to form one.[/p][/quote]I like Alex, she's feisty and will stake her reputation on kicking some **** in Brussels and making a positive difference for the South East on the environment or animal rights. Keith Taylor in his term has led on banning bee-harming insecticides and tightening up legislation on animal experimentation and live exports. If together they can win new EU subsidies for green energy investment instead of fracking which pollutes the environment and is a dangerous short-term fix then that would be a big win.[/p][/quote]Haven't noticed your friend Alex opposing the current proposals to use free-roaming sheep and cattle for traffic calming purposes on the Ditchling Road, where they and people will undoubtedly be killed in collisions if this scheme goes ahead? Or indeed, expressing any concerns about how generally, sheep are being exploited in this city as animated disposable mowers, in areas that are often not suitable or safe for them? Don't recall reading any comments from her either about the fish that were left to die in skips in Preston Park, nor indeed about the way the newts were left to desiccate there afterwards? Did she call for an investigation and for those responsible to be held to account? What has she actually said on local issues of this type??[/p][/quote]The council lost its ecologist in the Parks team as a result of cuts jointly voted through by Labour and Tories, not the Greens. Eugenius
  • Score: 2

9:29am Wed 21 May 14

Juleyanne says...

At last a party who puts their money where their mouth is! Nit pick all you like but the fact remains they DID THE RIGHT THING and have set an example to other less upfront parties. I do not thumbs up every decision they have made such as the seafront viewing structures which I think was a waste of money better spent elsewhere. I do however, applaud them for this honest decision and their animal welfare and environmental policies.
At last a party who puts their money where their mouth is! Nit pick all you like but the fact remains they DID THE RIGHT THING and have set an example to other less upfront parties. I do not thumbs up every decision they have made such as the seafront viewing structures which I think was a waste of money better spent elsewhere. I do however, applaud them for this honest decision and their animal welfare and environmental policies. Juleyanne
  • Score: 4

9:35am Wed 21 May 14

Eugenius says...

Juleyanne wrote:
At last a party who puts their money where their mouth is! Nit pick all you like but the fact remains they DID THE RIGHT THING and have set an example to other less upfront parties. I do not thumbs up every decision they have made such as the seafront viewing structures which I think was a waste of money better spent elsewhere. I do however, applaud them for this honest decision and their animal welfare and environmental policies.
Thanks, though have to point out the i360 loan really can't be spent elsewhere as it's only eligible for capital infrastructure projects which earn revenue to pay off the loan. The council stands to receive £1m per year in interest and share of ticket sales which will help pay for much-needed seafront repairs. I believe it will come to be celebrated once it is up and running as a futuristic landmark for an enterprising, forward looking green living city.
[quote][p][bold]Juleyanne[/bold] wrote: At last a party who puts their money where their mouth is! Nit pick all you like but the fact remains they DID THE RIGHT THING and have set an example to other less upfront parties. I do not thumbs up every decision they have made such as the seafront viewing structures which I think was a waste of money better spent elsewhere. I do however, applaud them for this honest decision and their animal welfare and environmental policies.[/p][/quote]Thanks, though have to point out the i360 loan really can't be spent elsewhere as it's only eligible for capital infrastructure projects which earn revenue to pay off the loan. The council stands to receive £1m per year in interest and share of ticket sales which will help pay for much-needed seafront repairs. I believe it will come to be celebrated once it is up and running as a futuristic landmark for an enterprising, forward looking green living city. Eugenius
  • Score: 2

9:41am Wed 21 May 14

fredflintstone1 says...

Eugenius wrote:
fredflintstone1 wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
Valerie Paynter wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
pachallis wrote:
Just trying to earn a crust wrote:
westpiergone wrote:
Roll on Thursday,hopefully this shower of sh*t will be gone & Brighton & Hove will be run by somebody who actually cares about the town & its people !
Of course they'll still 'run' Brighton and Hove. Thursdays election is to elect MEPs. Do try and keep up
There is a situation where the Greens COULD lose control after Thursday!

I think the current split of councillors is:

Green 22
Conservative 18
Labour 14

Alex Philips and Jason Kitcat (Lucas disciples) are standing as MEPs for the Green part in the South East on Thursday. If there were a large enough swing to the Greens then they would lose 2 seats and there would have to be elections to replace them.

If these seats went to the Conservatives then it would be a hung council between Greens and Conservatives which could prove interesting?

Of course what we really need is a full council election, which the greens know would be disastrous for them - hence Alex and Jason desperate to leave the city ASAP and jump about the Euro Gravy Train...
My God - now I'm very tempted to vote Green on Thursday !
If you do, please choose Jason Kitcat. He is a policy and practice worker of great capacity, willingness and ability who would get stuck in and do the work. Alex is a political animal good on the doorstep and for political competition - the game of politics that promotes the Green Party. Which would you prefer to have working in Brussels for our national interests?

There is no Green Party of a properly environmental persuasion. Someone needs to form one.
I like Alex, she's feisty and will stake her reputation on kicking some **** in Brussels and making a positive difference for the South East on the environment or animal rights. Keith Taylor in his term has led on banning bee-harming insecticides and tightening up legislation on animal experimentation and live exports. If together they can win new EU subsidies for green energy investment instead of fracking which pollutes the environment and is a dangerous short-term fix then that would be a big win.
Haven't noticed your friend Alex opposing the current proposals to use free-roaming sheep and cattle for traffic calming purposes on the Ditchling Road, where they and people will undoubtedly be killed in collisions if this scheme goes ahead?

Or indeed, expressing any concerns about how generally, sheep are being exploited in this city as animated disposable mowers, in areas that are often not suitable or safe for them?

Don't recall reading any comments from her either about the fish that were left to die in skips in Preston Park, nor indeed about the way the newts were left to desiccate there afterwards? Did she call for an investigation and for those responsible to be held to account?

What has she actually said on local issues of this type??
The council lost its ecologist in the Parks team as a result of cuts jointly voted through by Labour and Tories, not the Greens.
Errr .... what exactly has that got to do with Alex?????? Please explain.

Just for the record, what you say is not true anyway. The ecologist wanted to go, and you chose instead to create a new post of Conservation Manager, rather than seeking a qualified replacement for him. Doesn't say much about the Green's commitment to the environment and biosphere bid, does it?
[quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fredflintstone1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Valerie Paynter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Just trying to earn a crust[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]westpiergone[/bold] wrote: Roll on Thursday,hopefully this shower of sh*t will be gone & Brighton & Hove will be run by somebody who actually cares about the town & its people ![/p][/quote]Of course they'll still 'run' Brighton and Hove. Thursdays election is to elect MEPs. Do try and keep up[/p][/quote]There is a situation where the Greens COULD lose control after Thursday! I think the current split of councillors is: Green 22 Conservative 18 Labour 14 Alex Philips and Jason Kitcat (Lucas disciples) are standing as MEPs for the Green part in the South East on Thursday. If there were a large enough swing to the Greens then they would lose 2 seats and there would have to be elections to replace them. If these seats went to the Conservatives then it would be a hung council between Greens and Conservatives which could prove interesting? Of course what we really need is a full council election, which the greens know would be disastrous for them - hence Alex and Jason desperate to leave the city ASAP and jump about the Euro Gravy Train...[/p][/quote]My God - now I'm very tempted to vote Green on Thursday ![/p][/quote]If you do, please choose Jason Kitcat. He is a policy and practice worker of great capacity, willingness and ability who would get stuck in and do the work. Alex is a political animal good on the doorstep and for political competition - the game of politics that promotes the Green Party. Which would you prefer to have working in Brussels for our national interests? There is no Green Party of a properly environmental persuasion. Someone needs to form one.[/p][/quote]I like Alex, she's feisty and will stake her reputation on kicking some **** in Brussels and making a positive difference for the South East on the environment or animal rights. Keith Taylor in his term has led on banning bee-harming insecticides and tightening up legislation on animal experimentation and live exports. If together they can win new EU subsidies for green energy investment instead of fracking which pollutes the environment and is a dangerous short-term fix then that would be a big win.[/p][/quote]Haven't noticed your friend Alex opposing the current proposals to use free-roaming sheep and cattle for traffic calming purposes on the Ditchling Road, where they and people will undoubtedly be killed in collisions if this scheme goes ahead? Or indeed, expressing any concerns about how generally, sheep are being exploited in this city as animated disposable mowers, in areas that are often not suitable or safe for them? Don't recall reading any comments from her either about the fish that were left to die in skips in Preston Park, nor indeed about the way the newts were left to desiccate there afterwards? Did she call for an investigation and for those responsible to be held to account? What has she actually said on local issues of this type??[/p][/quote]The council lost its ecologist in the Parks team as a result of cuts jointly voted through by Labour and Tories, not the Greens.[/p][/quote]Errr .... what exactly has that got to do with Alex?????? Please explain. Just for the record, what you say is not true anyway. The ecologist wanted to go, and you chose instead to create a new post of Conservation Manager, rather than seeking a qualified replacement for him. Doesn't say much about the Green's commitment to the environment and biosphere bid, does it? fredflintstone1
  • Score: 0

9:59am Wed 21 May 14

Eugenius says...

fredflintstone1 wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
fredflintstone1 wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
Valerie Paynter wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
pachallis wrote:
Just trying to earn a crust wrote:
westpiergone wrote:
Roll on Thursday,hopefully this shower of sh*t will be gone & Brighton & Hove will be run by somebody who actually cares about the town & its people !
Of course they'll still 'run' Brighton and Hove. Thursdays election is to elect MEPs. Do try and keep up
There is a situation where the Greens COULD lose control after Thursday!

I think the current split of councillors is:

Green 22
Conservative 18
Labour 14

Alex Philips and Jason Kitcat (Lucas disciples) are standing as MEPs for the Green part in the South East on Thursday. If there were a large enough swing to the Greens then they would lose 2 seats and there would have to be elections to replace them.

If these seats went to the Conservatives then it would be a hung council between Greens and Conservatives which could prove interesting?

Of course what we really need is a full council election, which the greens know would be disastrous for them - hence Alex and Jason desperate to leave the city ASAP and jump about the Euro Gravy Train...
My God - now I'm very tempted to vote Green on Thursday !
If you do, please choose Jason Kitcat. He is a policy and practice worker of great capacity, willingness and ability who would get stuck in and do the work. Alex is a political animal good on the doorstep and for political competition - the game of politics that promotes the Green Party. Which would you prefer to have working in Brussels for our national interests?

There is no Green Party of a properly environmental persuasion. Someone needs to form one.
I like Alex, she's feisty and will stake her reputation on kicking some **** in Brussels and making a positive difference for the South East on the environment or animal rights. Keith Taylor in his term has led on banning bee-harming insecticides and tightening up legislation on animal experimentation and live exports. If together they can win new EU subsidies for green energy investment instead of fracking which pollutes the environment and is a dangerous short-term fix then that would be a big win.
Haven't noticed your friend Alex opposing the current proposals to use free-roaming sheep and cattle for traffic calming purposes on the Ditchling Road, where they and people will undoubtedly be killed in collisions if this scheme goes ahead?

Or indeed, expressing any concerns about how generally, sheep are being exploited in this city as animated disposable mowers, in areas that are often not suitable or safe for them?

Don't recall reading any comments from her either about the fish that were left to die in skips in Preston Park, nor indeed about the way the newts were left to desiccate there afterwards? Did she call for an investigation and for those responsible to be held to account?

What has she actually said on local issues of this type??
The council lost its ecologist in the Parks team as a result of cuts jointly voted through by Labour and Tories, not the Greens.
Errr .... what exactly has that got to do with Alex?????? Please explain.

Just for the record, what you say is not true anyway. The ecologist wanted to go, and you chose instead to create a new post of Conservation Manager, rather than seeking a qualified replacement for him. Doesn't say much about the Green's commitment to the environment and biosphere bid, does it?
Believe me, there was uproar in the local party over the fish pond incident and I think Alex challenged Pete West for not taking a firmer line with officers. RSPCA inspectors were called in though weren't they, and recommendations made. Sorry for not having further details. We are expecting news on the biosphere bid very soon,
[quote][p][bold]fredflintstone1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fredflintstone1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Valerie Paynter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Just trying to earn a crust[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]westpiergone[/bold] wrote: Roll on Thursday,hopefully this shower of sh*t will be gone & Brighton & Hove will be run by somebody who actually cares about the town & its people ![/p][/quote]Of course they'll still 'run' Brighton and Hove. Thursdays election is to elect MEPs. Do try and keep up[/p][/quote]There is a situation where the Greens COULD lose control after Thursday! I think the current split of councillors is: Green 22 Conservative 18 Labour 14 Alex Philips and Jason Kitcat (Lucas disciples) are standing as MEPs for the Green part in the South East on Thursday. If there were a large enough swing to the Greens then they would lose 2 seats and there would have to be elections to replace them. If these seats went to the Conservatives then it would be a hung council between Greens and Conservatives which could prove interesting? Of course what we really need is a full council election, which the greens know would be disastrous for them - hence Alex and Jason desperate to leave the city ASAP and jump about the Euro Gravy Train...[/p][/quote]My God - now I'm very tempted to vote Green on Thursday ![/p][/quote]If you do, please choose Jason Kitcat. He is a policy and practice worker of great capacity, willingness and ability who would get stuck in and do the work. Alex is a political animal good on the doorstep and for political competition - the game of politics that promotes the Green Party. Which would you prefer to have working in Brussels for our national interests? There is no Green Party of a properly environmental persuasion. Someone needs to form one.[/p][/quote]I like Alex, she's feisty and will stake her reputation on kicking some **** in Brussels and making a positive difference for the South East on the environment or animal rights. Keith Taylor in his term has led on banning bee-harming insecticides and tightening up legislation on animal experimentation and live exports. If together they can win new EU subsidies for green energy investment instead of fracking which pollutes the environment and is a dangerous short-term fix then that would be a big win.[/p][/quote]Haven't noticed your friend Alex opposing the current proposals to use free-roaming sheep and cattle for traffic calming purposes on the Ditchling Road, where they and people will undoubtedly be killed in collisions if this scheme goes ahead? Or indeed, expressing any concerns about how generally, sheep are being exploited in this city as animated disposable mowers, in areas that are often not suitable or safe for them? Don't recall reading any comments from her either about the fish that were left to die in skips in Preston Park, nor indeed about the way the newts were left to desiccate there afterwards? Did she call for an investigation and for those responsible to be held to account? What has she actually said on local issues of this type??[/p][/quote]The council lost its ecologist in the Parks team as a result of cuts jointly voted through by Labour and Tories, not the Greens.[/p][/quote]Errr .... what exactly has that got to do with Alex?????? Please explain. Just for the record, what you say is not true anyway. The ecologist wanted to go, and you chose instead to create a new post of Conservation Manager, rather than seeking a qualified replacement for him. Doesn't say much about the Green's commitment to the environment and biosphere bid, does it?[/p][/quote]Believe me, there was uproar in the local party over the fish pond incident and I think Alex challenged Pete West for not taking a firmer line with officers. RSPCA inspectors were called in though weren't they, and recommendations made. Sorry for not having further details. We are expecting news on the biosphere bid very soon, Eugenius
  • Score: 0

10:54am Wed 21 May 14

fredflintstone1 says...

Eugenius wrote:
fredflintstone1 wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
fredflintstone1 wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
Valerie Paynter wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
pachallis wrote:
Just trying to earn a crust wrote:
westpiergone wrote:
Roll on Thursday,hopefully this shower of sh*t will be gone & Brighton & Hove will be run by somebody who actually cares about the town & its people !
Of course they'll still 'run' Brighton and Hove. Thursdays election is to elect MEPs. Do try and keep up
There is a situation where the Greens COULD lose control after Thursday!

I think the current split of councillors is:

Green 22
Conservative 18
Labour 14

Alex Philips and Jason Kitcat (Lucas disciples) are standing as MEPs for the Green part in the South East on Thursday. If there were a large enough swing to the Greens then they would lose 2 seats and there would have to be elections to replace them.

If these seats went to the Conservatives then it would be a hung council between Greens and Conservatives which could prove interesting?

Of course what we really need is a full council election, which the greens know would be disastrous for them - hence Alex and Jason desperate to leave the city ASAP and jump about the Euro Gravy Train...
My God - now I'm very tempted to vote Green on Thursday !
If you do, please choose Jason Kitcat. He is a policy and practice worker of great capacity, willingness and ability who would get stuck in and do the work. Alex is a political animal good on the doorstep and for political competition - the game of politics that promotes the Green Party. Which would you prefer to have working in Brussels for our national interests?

There is no Green Party of a properly environmental persuasion. Someone needs to form one.
I like Alex, she's feisty and will stake her reputation on kicking some **** in Brussels and making a positive difference for the South East on the environment or animal rights. Keith Taylor in his term has led on banning bee-harming insecticides and tightening up legislation on animal experimentation and live exports. If together they can win new EU subsidies for green energy investment instead of fracking which pollutes the environment and is a dangerous short-term fix then that would be a big win.
Haven't noticed your friend Alex opposing the current proposals to use free-roaming sheep and cattle for traffic calming purposes on the Ditchling Road, where they and people will undoubtedly be killed in collisions if this scheme goes ahead?

Or indeed, expressing any concerns about how generally, sheep are being exploited in this city as animated disposable mowers, in areas that are often not suitable or safe for them?

Don't recall reading any comments from her either about the fish that were left to die in skips in Preston Park, nor indeed about the way the newts were left to desiccate there afterwards? Did she call for an investigation and for those responsible to be held to account?

What has she actually said on local issues of this type??
The council lost its ecologist in the Parks team as a result of cuts jointly voted through by Labour and Tories, not the Greens.
Errr .... what exactly has that got to do with Alex?????? Please explain.

Just for the record, what you say is not true anyway. The ecologist wanted to go, and you chose instead to create a new post of Conservation Manager, rather than seeking a qualified replacement for him. Doesn't say much about the Green's commitment to the environment and biosphere bid, does it?
Believe me, there was uproar in the local party over the fish pond incident and I think Alex challenged Pete West for not taking a firmer line with officers. RSPCA inspectors were called in though weren't they, and recommendations made. Sorry for not having further details. We are expecting news on the biosphere bid very soon,
So in truth, Alex has made no public statements whatsoever on these local animal welfare matters, in spite of your assertion that she is feisty and very committed to this issue?

Also, no disciplinary action was taken against officers regarding the fish or the newts, no more than it was for the illegal tree felling in Wild Park? Why not?
[quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fredflintstone1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fredflintstone1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Valerie Paynter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Just trying to earn a crust[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]westpiergone[/bold] wrote: Roll on Thursday,hopefully this shower of sh*t will be gone & Brighton & Hove will be run by somebody who actually cares about the town & its people ![/p][/quote]Of course they'll still 'run' Brighton and Hove. Thursdays election is to elect MEPs. Do try and keep up[/p][/quote]There is a situation where the Greens COULD lose control after Thursday! I think the current split of councillors is: Green 22 Conservative 18 Labour 14 Alex Philips and Jason Kitcat (Lucas disciples) are standing as MEPs for the Green part in the South East on Thursday. If there were a large enough swing to the Greens then they would lose 2 seats and there would have to be elections to replace them. If these seats went to the Conservatives then it would be a hung council between Greens and Conservatives which could prove interesting? Of course what we really need is a full council election, which the greens know would be disastrous for them - hence Alex and Jason desperate to leave the city ASAP and jump about the Euro Gravy Train...[/p][/quote]My God - now I'm very tempted to vote Green on Thursday ![/p][/quote]If you do, please choose Jason Kitcat. He is a policy and practice worker of great capacity, willingness and ability who would get stuck in and do the work. Alex is a political animal good on the doorstep and for political competition - the game of politics that promotes the Green Party. Which would you prefer to have working in Brussels for our national interests? There is no Green Party of a properly environmental persuasion. Someone needs to form one.[/p][/quote]I like Alex, she's feisty and will stake her reputation on kicking some **** in Brussels and making a positive difference for the South East on the environment or animal rights. Keith Taylor in his term has led on banning bee-harming insecticides and tightening up legislation on animal experimentation and live exports. If together they can win new EU subsidies for green energy investment instead of fracking which pollutes the environment and is a dangerous short-term fix then that would be a big win.[/p][/quote]Haven't noticed your friend Alex opposing the current proposals to use free-roaming sheep and cattle for traffic calming purposes on the Ditchling Road, where they and people will undoubtedly be killed in collisions if this scheme goes ahead? Or indeed, expressing any concerns about how generally, sheep are being exploited in this city as animated disposable mowers, in areas that are often not suitable or safe for them? Don't recall reading any comments from her either about the fish that were left to die in skips in Preston Park, nor indeed about the way the newts were left to desiccate there afterwards? Did she call for an investigation and for those responsible to be held to account? What has she actually said on local issues of this type??[/p][/quote]The council lost its ecologist in the Parks team as a result of cuts jointly voted through by Labour and Tories, not the Greens.[/p][/quote]Errr .... what exactly has that got to do with Alex?????? Please explain. Just for the record, what you say is not true anyway. The ecologist wanted to go, and you chose instead to create a new post of Conservation Manager, rather than seeking a qualified replacement for him. Doesn't say much about the Green's commitment to the environment and biosphere bid, does it?[/p][/quote]Believe me, there was uproar in the local party over the fish pond incident and I think Alex challenged Pete West for not taking a firmer line with officers. RSPCA inspectors were called in though weren't they, and recommendations made. Sorry for not having further details. We are expecting news on the biosphere bid very soon,[/p][/quote]So in truth, Alex has made no public statements whatsoever on these local animal welfare matters, in spite of your assertion that she is feisty and very committed to this issue? Also, no disciplinary action was taken against officers regarding the fish or the newts, no more than it was for the illegal tree felling in Wild Park? Why not? fredflintstone1
  • Score: 1

11:11am Wed 21 May 14

Eugenius says...

Here's a good link on Alex's strong animal rights track record http://alexfordeputy
.org.uk/animal-right
s/
Don't have time to search for anything on Preston Park specifically at the moment but I don't think it's fair to blame councillors for every council ****-up. Mistakes happen sometimes.
Here's a good link on Alex's strong animal rights track record http://alexfordeputy .org.uk/animal-right s/ Don't have time to search for anything on Preston Park specifically at the moment but I don't think it's fair to blame councillors for every council ****-up. Mistakes happen sometimes. Eugenius
  • Score: 4

11:23am Wed 21 May 14

Just trying to earn a crust says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
Mr P Brown wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
Or how about Labour controlled Brent closing down six of their public libraries in 2011? Ed Milliband and Ed Balls have of course pledged not to reverse the coalition's cuts and to maintain the austerity drive for another decade. Nationally they are whole-heartedly supporting the cuts to the fire service budget too. So this myth about "getting the basics right" is a downright lie, please don't be taken in.
You obviously forget that your beloved greens closed Brighton and Hove's mobile library service in 2013, the green supporters are in no position to go throwing mud at others, when they a guilty of making such a mess of our city
Christ almighty - do you think that was part of the Green Manifesto?
Do you REALLY think that they WANTED to do that??!!!
Or do you think that it might be because they had to make some very difficult decisions due to severe government cuts to local authority funding - partially caused by poor handling of the economy by the 'main' parties??!!
Anyone with a bit of common-sense knows the answer!!
Mr Browns point obviously went straight over yours and Eugenius head, of course it wasn't part of the greens manifesto. It wasn’t part of the Labour manifesto when they were campaigning in Brent. His point was that the Green supporters in Brighton and Hove are very good at knocking everyone they can i.e. Brent council, when in fact they are no better themselves. One only has to look at the rubbish collection and lack of mobile library to see how useless the green council are
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr P Brown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: Or how about Labour controlled Brent closing down six of their public libraries in 2011? Ed Milliband and Ed Balls have of course pledged not to reverse the coalition's cuts and to maintain the austerity drive for another decade. Nationally they are whole-heartedly supporting the cuts to the fire service budget too. So this myth about "getting the basics right" is a downright lie, please don't be taken in.[/p][/quote]You obviously forget that your beloved greens closed Brighton and Hove's mobile library service in 2013, the green supporters are in no position to go throwing mud at others, when they a guilty of making such a mess of our city[/p][/quote]Christ almighty - do you think that was part of the Green Manifesto? Do you REALLY think that they WANTED to do that??!!! Or do you think that it might be because they had to make some very difficult decisions due to severe government cuts to local authority funding - partially caused by poor handling of the economy by the 'main' parties??!! Anyone with a bit of common-sense knows the answer!![/p][/quote]Mr Browns point obviously went straight over yours and Eugenius head, of course it wasn't part of the greens manifesto. It wasn’t part of the Labour manifesto when they were campaigning in Brent. His point was that the Green supporters in Brighton and Hove are very good at knocking everyone they can i.e. Brent council, when in fact they are no better themselves. One only has to look at the rubbish collection and lack of mobile library to see how useless the green council are Just trying to earn a crust
  • Score: 2

11:41am Wed 21 May 14

brighton bluenose says...

Just trying to earn a crust wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
Mr P Brown wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
Or how about Labour controlled Brent closing down six of their public libraries in 2011? Ed Milliband and Ed Balls have of course pledged not to reverse the coalition's cuts and to maintain the austerity drive for another decade. Nationally they are whole-heartedly supporting the cuts to the fire service budget too. So this myth about "getting the basics right" is a downright lie, please don't be taken in.
You obviously forget that your beloved greens closed Brighton and Hove's mobile library service in 2013, the green supporters are in no position to go throwing mud at others, when they a guilty of making such a mess of our city
Christ almighty - do you think that was part of the Green Manifesto?
Do you REALLY think that they WANTED to do that??!!!
Or do you think that it might be because they had to make some very difficult decisions due to severe government cuts to local authority funding - partially caused by poor handling of the economy by the 'main' parties??!!
Anyone with a bit of common-sense knows the answer!!
Mr Browns point obviously went straight over yours and Eugenius head, of course it wasn't part of the greens manifesto. It wasn’t part of the Labour manifesto when they were campaigning in Brent. His point was that the Green supporters in Brighton and Hove are very good at knocking everyone they can i.e. Brent council, when in fact they are no better themselves. One only has to look at the rubbish collection and lack of mobile library to see how useless the green council are
I hadn't seen his point before I replied and I've never said the Greens are 'better' - merely that the Greens, in their first term in office anywhere in the UK, are having to run our city under such severe financial constraints the like of which have not been seen for decades! And the situation in Brent - and elsewhere - obviously just reinforces that!
So nothing has gone over my head but you are missing the point - no doubt deliberately!!
[quote][p][bold]Just trying to earn a crust[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr P Brown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: Or how about Labour controlled Brent closing down six of their public libraries in 2011? Ed Milliband and Ed Balls have of course pledged not to reverse the coalition's cuts and to maintain the austerity drive for another decade. Nationally they are whole-heartedly supporting the cuts to the fire service budget too. So this myth about "getting the basics right" is a downright lie, please don't be taken in.[/p][/quote]You obviously forget that your beloved greens closed Brighton and Hove's mobile library service in 2013, the green supporters are in no position to go throwing mud at others, when they a guilty of making such a mess of our city[/p][/quote]Christ almighty - do you think that was part of the Green Manifesto? Do you REALLY think that they WANTED to do that??!!! Or do you think that it might be because they had to make some very difficult decisions due to severe government cuts to local authority funding - partially caused by poor handling of the economy by the 'main' parties??!! Anyone with a bit of common-sense knows the answer!![/p][/quote]Mr Browns point obviously went straight over yours and Eugenius head, of course it wasn't part of the greens manifesto. It wasn’t part of the Labour manifesto when they were campaigning in Brent. His point was that the Green supporters in Brighton and Hove are very good at knocking everyone they can i.e. Brent council, when in fact they are no better themselves. One only has to look at the rubbish collection and lack of mobile library to see how useless the green council are[/p][/quote]I hadn't seen his point before I replied and I've never said the Greens are 'better' - merely that the Greens, in their first term in office anywhere in the UK, are having to run our city under such severe financial constraints the like of which have not been seen for decades! And the situation in Brent - and elsewhere - obviously just reinforces that! So nothing has gone over my head but you are missing the point - no doubt deliberately!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -3

11:44am Wed 21 May 14

Eugenius says...

It's the former Labour and Tory administrations who deserve to take the lion's share of the blame for last year's bin strike, after allowing inequitable payments to continue for 15 years after the formation of the new unitary council, and striking dodgy deals to terminate previous strike until it got to the point where the council was facing a law suit which would have cost over £30 million in compensation payouts. Luckily as a result of the settlement which was negotiated, hundreds of female employees are now better off each month.

The Green council has also cut executive pay and posts at the top, reducing pay differentials and raised the lowest salaries to a living wage, one of the first council in the country to do so, and promoted a city-wide scheme to raise wages in the city with great success. Fair is worth fighting for, vote Green for the common good.
It's the former Labour and Tory administrations who deserve to take the lion's share of the blame for last year's bin strike, after allowing inequitable payments to continue for 15 years after the formation of the new unitary council, and striking dodgy deals to terminate previous strike until it got to the point where the council was facing a law suit which would have cost over £30 million in compensation payouts. Luckily as a result of the settlement which was negotiated, hundreds of female employees are now better off each month. The Green council has also cut executive pay and posts at the top, reducing pay differentials and raised the lowest salaries to a living wage, one of the first council in the country to do so, and promoted a city-wide scheme to raise wages in the city with great success. Fair is worth fighting for, vote Green for the common good. Eugenius
  • Score: 4

12:03pm Wed 21 May 14

brighton bluenose says...

Just trying to earn a crust wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
Mr P Brown wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
Or how about Labour controlled Brent closing down six of their public libraries in 2011? Ed Milliband and Ed Balls have of course pledged not to reverse the coalition's cuts and to maintain the austerity drive for another decade. Nationally they are whole-heartedly supporting the cuts to the fire service budget too. So this myth about "getting the basics right" is a downright lie, please don't be taken in.
You obviously forget that your beloved greens closed Brighton and Hove's mobile library service in 2013, the green supporters are in no position to go throwing mud at others, when they a guilty of making such a mess of our city
Christ almighty - do you think that was part of the Green Manifesto?
Do you REALLY think that they WANTED to do that??!!!
Or do you think that it might be because they had to make some very difficult decisions due to severe government cuts to local authority funding - partially caused by poor handling of the economy by the 'main' parties??!!
Anyone with a bit of common-sense knows the answer!!
Mr Browns point obviously went straight over yours and Eugenius head, of course it wasn't part of the greens manifesto. It wasn’t part of the Labour manifesto when they were campaigning in Brent. His point was that the Green supporters in Brighton and Hove are very good at knocking everyone they can i.e. Brent council, when in fact they are no better themselves. One only has to look at the rubbish collection and lack of mobile library to see how useless the green council are
Oh and by the way the problems with rubbish collections - as stated numerous times before - is because 5 dusts were put into mothballs or scrapped due to government cuts! Again - like Labour cutting libraries in Brent something which didn't feature in anyones manifesto!!!
[quote][p][bold]Just trying to earn a crust[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr P Brown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: Or how about Labour controlled Brent closing down six of their public libraries in 2011? Ed Milliband and Ed Balls have of course pledged not to reverse the coalition's cuts and to maintain the austerity drive for another decade. Nationally they are whole-heartedly supporting the cuts to the fire service budget too. So this myth about "getting the basics right" is a downright lie, please don't be taken in.[/p][/quote]You obviously forget that your beloved greens closed Brighton and Hove's mobile library service in 2013, the green supporters are in no position to go throwing mud at others, when they a guilty of making such a mess of our city[/p][/quote]Christ almighty - do you think that was part of the Green Manifesto? Do you REALLY think that they WANTED to do that??!!! Or do you think that it might be because they had to make some very difficult decisions due to severe government cuts to local authority funding - partially caused by poor handling of the economy by the 'main' parties??!! Anyone with a bit of common-sense knows the answer!![/p][/quote]Mr Browns point obviously went straight over yours and Eugenius head, of course it wasn't part of the greens manifesto. It wasn’t part of the Labour manifesto when they were campaigning in Brent. His point was that the Green supporters in Brighton and Hove are very good at knocking everyone they can i.e. Brent council, when in fact they are no better themselves. One only has to look at the rubbish collection and lack of mobile library to see how useless the green council are[/p][/quote]Oh and by the way the problems with rubbish collections - as stated numerous times before - is because 5 dusts were put into mothballs or scrapped due to government cuts! Again - like Labour cutting libraries in Brent something which didn't feature in anyones manifesto!!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -1

12:04pm Wed 21 May 14

fredflintstone1 says...

Eugenius wrote:
Here's a good link on Alex's strong animal rights track record http://alexfordeputy

.org.uk/animal-right

s/
Don't have time to search for anything on Preston Park specifically at the moment but I don't think it's fair to blame councillors for every council ****-up. Mistakes happen sometimes.
Thanks for the link. There's mention of Alex's conversion to vegetarianism at the age of 8, plus what she herself describes as "various stunts" in the hope of ending the use of animal in experiments during her time working in Brussels.

She also opposes live exports, but is seemingly happy for sheep to be trucked hundreds of miles from the fells of the Lake District to Brighton & Hove, being penned up in high densities in public parks and at special events, before ending up being killed and sold at a premium price? These sheep are constantly being moved throughout their time here, with their flock structure being regularly disrupted. Do you not see the contradiction between her stated position and her action (or lack of it?) on this issue?

You're right that councillors shouldn't be blamed in every case when things go wrong, but ultimately, they are responsible. There is also a difference between genuine mistakes and arrogant disinterest and ignorance which you haven't taken on board.
[quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: Here's a good link on Alex's strong animal rights track record http://alexfordeputy .org.uk/animal-right s/ Don't have time to search for anything on Preston Park specifically at the moment but I don't think it's fair to blame councillors for every council ****-up. Mistakes happen sometimes.[/p][/quote]Thanks for the link. There's mention of Alex's conversion to vegetarianism at the age of 8, plus what she herself describes as "various stunts" in the hope of ending the use of animal in experiments during her time working in Brussels. She also opposes live exports, but is seemingly happy for sheep to be trucked hundreds of miles from the fells of the Lake District to Brighton & Hove, being penned up in high densities in public parks and at special events, before ending up being killed and sold at a premium price? These sheep are constantly being moved throughout their time here, with their flock structure being regularly disrupted. Do you not see the contradiction between her stated position and her action (or lack of it?) on this issue? You're right that councillors shouldn't be blamed in every case when things go wrong, but ultimately, they are responsible. There is also a difference between genuine mistakes and arrogant disinterest and ignorance which you haven't taken on board. fredflintstone1
  • Score: 3

12:10pm Wed 21 May 14

Eugenius says...

Brand new bin lorries for Brighton & Hove are on the way. There's some more upbeat news on the tide turning on the refuse and recycling problems in our Chief Executive's blog post today: http://pennythompson
cex.blogspot.co.uk/#
openCEO
Brand new bin lorries for Brighton & Hove are on the way. There's some more upbeat news on the tide turning on the refuse and recycling problems in our Chief Executive's blog post today: http://pennythompson cex.blogspot.co.uk/# openCEO Eugenius
  • Score: 2

12:29pm Wed 21 May 14

Just trying to earn a crust says...

Eugenius wrote:
It's the former Labour and Tory administrations who deserve to take the lion's share of the blame for last year's bin strike, after allowing inequitable payments to continue for 15 years after the formation of the new unitary council, and striking dodgy deals to terminate previous strike until it got to the point where the council was facing a law suit which would have cost over £30 million in compensation payouts. Luckily as a result of the settlement which was negotiated, hundreds of female employees are now better off each month.

The Green council has also cut executive pay and posts at the top, reducing pay differentials and raised the lowest salaries to a living wage, one of the first council in the country to do so, and promoted a city-wide scheme to raise wages in the city with great success. Fair is worth fighting for, vote Green for the common good.
Here they go again, they blame everyone but themselves. You have been elected to run the city, get on and do it. Grow a pair and admit that sometimes its your fault
[quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: It's the former Labour and Tory administrations who deserve to take the lion's share of the blame for last year's bin strike, after allowing inequitable payments to continue for 15 years after the formation of the new unitary council, and striking dodgy deals to terminate previous strike until it got to the point where the council was facing a law suit which would have cost over £30 million in compensation payouts. Luckily as a result of the settlement which was negotiated, hundreds of female employees are now better off each month. The Green council has also cut executive pay and posts at the top, reducing pay differentials and raised the lowest salaries to a living wage, one of the first council in the country to do so, and promoted a city-wide scheme to raise wages in the city with great success. Fair is worth fighting for, vote Green for the common good.[/p][/quote]Here they go again, they blame everyone but themselves. You have been elected to run the city, get on and do it. Grow a pair and admit that sometimes its your fault Just trying to earn a crust
  • Score: 3

12:41pm Wed 21 May 14

Plantpot says...

Just trying to earn a crust wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
It's the former Labour and Tory administrations who deserve to take the lion's share of the blame for last year's bin strike, after allowing inequitable payments to continue for 15 years after the formation of the new unitary council, and striking dodgy deals to terminate previous strike until it got to the point where the council was facing a law suit which would have cost over £30 million in compensation payouts. Luckily as a result of the settlement which was negotiated, hundreds of female employees are now better off each month.

The Green council has also cut executive pay and posts at the top, reducing pay differentials and raised the lowest salaries to a living wage, one of the first council in the country to do so, and promoted a city-wide scheme to raise wages in the city with great success. Fair is worth fighting for, vote Green for the common good.
Here they go again, they blame everyone but themselves. You have been elected to run the city, get on and do it. Grow a pair and admit that sometimes its your fault
So what we're saying is that salaries are now less attractive for quality candidates at the top, and the taxpayer is paying more for junior workers without any service increase, or possibly even a downturn?
[quote][p][bold]Just trying to earn a crust[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: It's the former Labour and Tory administrations who deserve to take the lion's share of the blame for last year's bin strike, after allowing inequitable payments to continue for 15 years after the formation of the new unitary council, and striking dodgy deals to terminate previous strike until it got to the point where the council was facing a law suit which would have cost over £30 million in compensation payouts. Luckily as a result of the settlement which was negotiated, hundreds of female employees are now better off each month. The Green council has also cut executive pay and posts at the top, reducing pay differentials and raised the lowest salaries to a living wage, one of the first council in the country to do so, and promoted a city-wide scheme to raise wages in the city with great success. Fair is worth fighting for, vote Green for the common good.[/p][/quote]Here they go again, they blame everyone but themselves. You have been elected to run the city, get on and do it. Grow a pair and admit that sometimes its your fault[/p][/quote]So what we're saying is that salaries are now less attractive for quality candidates at the top, and the taxpayer is paying more for junior workers without any service increase, or possibly even a downturn? Plantpot
  • Score: -2

12:48pm Wed 21 May 14

Eugenius says...

Well it was one hell of a poisoned chalice we took on, with austerity budget cuts of £25m per year and the looming equal pay crisis. Whether any administration could have resolved equal pay and avoided strike action by the bin workers is a a subject worthy of a PhD thesis and we'll probably never know. It certainly wasn't the first strike the city has seen.

I do regret that we weren't able to do more to win hearts and minds over our road safety improvements (20mph and Lewes Road) but hopefully the disruption wasn't as bad as people feared and hopefully the improved accident statistics in the next couple of years will speak for themselves.

The living wage and new Level park are my favourite achievements.

The thriving local economy and booming visitor numbers are testament to our competent and indeed enterprising administration of the city.
Well it was one hell of a poisoned chalice we took on, with austerity budget cuts of £25m per year and the looming equal pay crisis. Whether any administration could have resolved equal pay and avoided strike action by the bin workers is a a subject worthy of a PhD thesis and we'll probably never know. It certainly wasn't the first strike the city has seen. I do regret that we weren't able to do more to win hearts and minds over our road safety improvements (20mph and Lewes Road) but hopefully the disruption wasn't as bad as people feared and hopefully the improved accident statistics in the next couple of years will speak for themselves. The living wage and new Level park are my favourite achievements. The thriving local economy and booming visitor numbers are testament to our competent and indeed enterprising administration of the city. Eugenius
  • Score: 1

12:59pm Wed 21 May 14

tom servo says...

Looks like they have got 7 grands worth of good publicity out of rejecting it...... although I'm not suggesting for a second that is why they did it *cough* *cough*
Looks like they have got 7 grands worth of good publicity out of rejecting it...... although I'm not suggesting for a second that is why they did it *cough* *cough* tom servo
  • Score: 1

1:08pm Wed 21 May 14

Eugenius says...

Plantpot wrote:
Just trying to earn a crust wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
It's the former Labour and Tory administrations who deserve to take the lion's share of the blame for last year's bin strike, after allowing inequitable payments to continue for 15 years after the formation of the new unitary council, and striking dodgy deals to terminate previous strike until it got to the point where the council was facing a law suit which would have cost over £30 million in compensation payouts. Luckily as a result of the settlement which was negotiated, hundreds of female employees are now better off each month.

The Green council has also cut executive pay and posts at the top, reducing pay differentials and raised the lowest salaries to a living wage, one of the first council in the country to do so, and promoted a city-wide scheme to raise wages in the city with great success. Fair is worth fighting for, vote Green for the common good.
Here they go again, they blame everyone but themselves. You have been elected to run the city, get on and do it. Grow a pair and admit that sometimes its your fault
So what we're saying is that salaries are now less attractive for quality candidates at the top, and the taxpayer is paying more for junior workers without any service increase, or possibly even a downturn?
Yes, because excessive pay differentials make for an unhappy society and demotivated workforce. The appeal of working for an innovating aspirational council is enough to recruit top calibre leaders. Penny Thompson who has a CBE took a voluntary pay cut which helped us fulfil our manifesto pledge.
[quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Just trying to earn a crust[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: It's the former Labour and Tory administrations who deserve to take the lion's share of the blame for last year's bin strike, after allowing inequitable payments to continue for 15 years after the formation of the new unitary council, and striking dodgy deals to terminate previous strike until it got to the point where the council was facing a law suit which would have cost over £30 million in compensation payouts. Luckily as a result of the settlement which was negotiated, hundreds of female employees are now better off each month. The Green council has also cut executive pay and posts at the top, reducing pay differentials and raised the lowest salaries to a living wage, one of the first council in the country to do so, and promoted a city-wide scheme to raise wages in the city with great success. Fair is worth fighting for, vote Green for the common good.[/p][/quote]Here they go again, they blame everyone but themselves. You have been elected to run the city, get on and do it. Grow a pair and admit that sometimes its your fault[/p][/quote]So what we're saying is that salaries are now less attractive for quality candidates at the top, and the taxpayer is paying more for junior workers without any service increase, or possibly even a downturn?[/p][/quote]Yes, because excessive pay differentials make for an unhappy society and demotivated workforce. The appeal of working for an innovating aspirational council is enough to recruit top calibre leaders. Penny Thompson who has a CBE took a voluntary pay cut which helped us fulfil our manifesto pledge. Eugenius
  • Score: 3

1:13pm Wed 21 May 14

brightonian57 says...

Eugenius wrote:
Well it was one hell of a poisoned chalice we took on, with austerity budget cuts of £25m per year and the looming equal pay crisis. Whether any administration could have resolved equal pay and avoided strike action by the bin workers is a a subject worthy of a PhD thesis and we'll probably never know. It certainly wasn't the first strike the city has seen.

I do regret that we weren't able to do more to win hearts and minds over our road safety improvements (20mph and Lewes Road) but hopefully the disruption wasn't as bad as people feared and hopefully the improved accident statistics in the next couple of years will speak for themselves.

The living wage and new Level park are my favourite achievements.

The thriving local economy and booming visitor numbers are testament to our competent and indeed enterprising administration of the city.
The reason you didn’t win ‘hearts and minds’ over the Lewes Road scheme was the shambolic way the green party went about it. The original consultation process was flawed, in that no mention was made of the large number of HGV vehicles that used Lewes Road. Then when it was done they assumed that was the end of the matter, not appearing to realise that traffic is like water, in that it will use the path of least resistance. So now all the back roads off Lewes Road are clogged with traffic and Ditchling road is busier than ever. Do the greens do any thing about it? Yes the do a traffic survey at half term and say there is no noticeable difference.
If you are going to make a huge change to a road system you have to sort out the consequences, do something about that back street rat run, sort out the Old Boat corner junction. But the Green attitude is ‘we’ve helped the cyclists and busses, we don’t car about the nasty cars. It’s just a shame the bus company aren’t on the Greens side and promptly put the fares up
I can see what Just trying to earn a crust is on about, it’s always the politicians excuse ‘It’s not our fault its all the others’ and from that point of view The greens are no better than any other party if any thing they are the worst of a bad bunch
[quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: Well it was one hell of a poisoned chalice we took on, with austerity budget cuts of £25m per year and the looming equal pay crisis. Whether any administration could have resolved equal pay and avoided strike action by the bin workers is a a subject worthy of a PhD thesis and we'll probably never know. It certainly wasn't the first strike the city has seen. I do regret that we weren't able to do more to win hearts and minds over our road safety improvements (20mph and Lewes Road) but hopefully the disruption wasn't as bad as people feared and hopefully the improved accident statistics in the next couple of years will speak for themselves. The living wage and new Level park are my favourite achievements. The thriving local economy and booming visitor numbers are testament to our competent and indeed enterprising administration of the city.[/p][/quote]The reason you didn’t win ‘hearts and minds’ over the Lewes Road scheme was the shambolic way the green party went about it. The original consultation process was flawed, in that no mention was made of the large number of HGV vehicles that used Lewes Road. Then when it was done they assumed that was the end of the matter, not appearing to realise that traffic is like water, in that it will use the path of least resistance. So now all the back roads off Lewes Road are clogged with traffic and Ditchling road is busier than ever. Do the greens do any thing about it? Yes the do a traffic survey at half term and say there is no noticeable difference. If you are going to make a huge change to a road system you have to sort out the consequences, do something about that back street rat run, sort out the Old Boat corner junction. But the Green attitude is ‘we’ve helped the cyclists and busses, we don’t car about the nasty cars. It’s just a shame the bus company aren’t on the Greens side and promptly put the fares up I can see what Just trying to earn a crust is on about, it’s always the politicians excuse ‘It’s not our fault its all the others’ and from that point of view The greens are no better than any other party if any thing they are the worst of a bad bunch brightonian57
  • Score: 5

1:15pm Wed 21 May 14

Eugenius says...

tom servo wrote:
Looks like they have got 7 grands worth of good publicity out of rejecting it...... although I'm not suggesting for a second that is why they did it *cough* *cough*
Nah, seven grand would pay for a big billboard campaign and our treasurer must be gutted, bur Caroline is squeaky clean when it comes to ethical matters.
[quote][p][bold]tom servo[/bold] wrote: Looks like they have got 7 grands worth of good publicity out of rejecting it...... although I'm not suggesting for a second that is why they did it *cough* *cough*[/p][/quote]Nah, seven grand would pay for a big billboard campaign and our treasurer must be gutted, bur Caroline is squeaky clean when it comes to ethical matters. Eugenius
  • Score: -3

1:55pm Wed 21 May 14

thevoiceoftruth says...

At least by rejecting this donation, they practise what they preach. Although, had it been a million pound donation, would they have been so quick to reject it?
At least by rejecting this donation, they practise what they preach. Although, had it been a million pound donation, would they have been so quick to reject it? thevoiceoftruth
  • Score: 1

1:57pm Wed 21 May 14

brighton bluenose says...

Plantpot wrote:
Just trying to earn a crust wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
It's the former Labour and Tory administrations who deserve to take the lion's share of the blame for last year's bin strike, after allowing inequitable payments to continue for 15 years after the formation of the new unitary council, and striking dodgy deals to terminate previous strike until it got to the point where the council was facing a law suit which would have cost over £30 million in compensation payouts. Luckily as a result of the settlement which was negotiated, hundreds of female employees are now better off each month.

The Green council has also cut executive pay and posts at the top, reducing pay differentials and raised the lowest salaries to a living wage, one of the first council in the country to do so, and promoted a city-wide scheme to raise wages in the city with great success. Fair is worth fighting for, vote Green for the common good.
Here they go again, they blame everyone but themselves. You have been elected to run the city, get on and do it. Grow a pair and admit that sometimes its your fault
So what we're saying is that salaries are now less attractive for quality candidates at the top, and the taxpayer is paying more for junior workers without any service increase, or possibly even a downturn?
All based on so many assumptions - you would moan whatever happened!
[quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Just trying to earn a crust[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: It's the former Labour and Tory administrations who deserve to take the lion's share of the blame for last year's bin strike, after allowing inequitable payments to continue for 15 years after the formation of the new unitary council, and striking dodgy deals to terminate previous strike until it got to the point where the council was facing a law suit which would have cost over £30 million in compensation payouts. Luckily as a result of the settlement which was negotiated, hundreds of female employees are now better off each month. The Green council has also cut executive pay and posts at the top, reducing pay differentials and raised the lowest salaries to a living wage, one of the first council in the country to do so, and promoted a city-wide scheme to raise wages in the city with great success. Fair is worth fighting for, vote Green for the common good.[/p][/quote]Here they go again, they blame everyone but themselves. You have been elected to run the city, get on and do it. Grow a pair and admit that sometimes its your fault[/p][/quote]So what we're saying is that salaries are now less attractive for quality candidates at the top, and the taxpayer is paying more for junior workers without any service increase, or possibly even a downturn?[/p][/quote]All based on so many assumptions - you would moan whatever happened! brighton bluenose
  • Score: 2

1:57pm Wed 21 May 14

brighton bluenose says...

Plantpot wrote:
Just trying to earn a crust wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
It's the former Labour and Tory administrations who deserve to take the lion's share of the blame for last year's bin strike, after allowing inequitable payments to continue for 15 years after the formation of the new unitary council, and striking dodgy deals to terminate previous strike until it got to the point where the council was facing a law suit which would have cost over £30 million in compensation payouts. Luckily as a result of the settlement which was negotiated, hundreds of female employees are now better off each month.

The Green council has also cut executive pay and posts at the top, reducing pay differentials and raised the lowest salaries to a living wage, one of the first council in the country to do so, and promoted a city-wide scheme to raise wages in the city with great success. Fair is worth fighting for, vote Green for the common good.
Here they go again, they blame everyone but themselves. You have been elected to run the city, get on and do it. Grow a pair and admit that sometimes its your fault
So what we're saying is that salaries are now less attractive for quality candidates at the top, and the taxpayer is paying more for junior workers without any service increase, or possibly even a downturn?
All based on so many assumptions - you would moan whatever happened!
[quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Just trying to earn a crust[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: It's the former Labour and Tory administrations who deserve to take the lion's share of the blame for last year's bin strike, after allowing inequitable payments to continue for 15 years after the formation of the new unitary council, and striking dodgy deals to terminate previous strike until it got to the point where the council was facing a law suit which would have cost over £30 million in compensation payouts. Luckily as a result of the settlement which was negotiated, hundreds of female employees are now better off each month. The Green council has also cut executive pay and posts at the top, reducing pay differentials and raised the lowest salaries to a living wage, one of the first council in the country to do so, and promoted a city-wide scheme to raise wages in the city with great success. Fair is worth fighting for, vote Green for the common good.[/p][/quote]Here they go again, they blame everyone but themselves. You have been elected to run the city, get on and do it. Grow a pair and admit that sometimes its your fault[/p][/quote]So what we're saying is that salaries are now less attractive for quality candidates at the top, and the taxpayer is paying more for junior workers without any service increase, or possibly even a downturn?[/p][/quote]All based on so many assumptions - you would moan whatever happened! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -1

1:58pm Wed 21 May 14

thevoiceoftruth says...

Eugenius wrote:
Well it was one hell of a poisoned chalice we took on, with austerity budget cuts of £25m per year and the looming equal pay crisis. Whether any administration could have resolved equal pay and avoided strike action by the bin workers is a a subject worthy of a PhD thesis and we'll probably never know. It certainly wasn't the first strike the city has seen.

I do regret that we weren't able to do more to win hearts and minds over our road safety improvements (20mph and Lewes Road) but hopefully the disruption wasn't as bad as people feared and hopefully the improved accident statistics in the next couple of years will speak for themselves.

The living wage and new Level park are my favourite achievements.

The thriving local economy and booming visitor numbers are testament to our competent and indeed enterprising administration of the city.
As you haven't won over hearts and minds, why are you continuing with phase two of the 20mph scheme and also adding a cycle lane to the gyratory to further screw up Lewes Road?

I agree that the living wage is a good thing, as is the Level, although I am not sure you can take all the credit for that!
[quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: Well it was one hell of a poisoned chalice we took on, with austerity budget cuts of £25m per year and the looming equal pay crisis. Whether any administration could have resolved equal pay and avoided strike action by the bin workers is a a subject worthy of a PhD thesis and we'll probably never know. It certainly wasn't the first strike the city has seen. I do regret that we weren't able to do more to win hearts and minds over our road safety improvements (20mph and Lewes Road) but hopefully the disruption wasn't as bad as people feared and hopefully the improved accident statistics in the next couple of years will speak for themselves. The living wage and new Level park are my favourite achievements. The thriving local economy and booming visitor numbers are testament to our competent and indeed enterprising administration of the city.[/p][/quote]As you haven't won over hearts and minds, why are you continuing with phase two of the 20mph scheme and also adding a cycle lane to the gyratory to further screw up Lewes Road? I agree that the living wage is a good thing, as is the Level, although I am not sure you can take all the credit for that! thevoiceoftruth
  • Score: 3

2:05pm Wed 21 May 14

brighton bluenose says...

thevoiceoftruth wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
Well it was one hell of a poisoned chalice we took on, with austerity budget cuts of £25m per year and the looming equal pay crisis. Whether any administration could have resolved equal pay and avoided strike action by the bin workers is a a subject worthy of a PhD thesis and we'll probably never know. It certainly wasn't the first strike the city has seen.

I do regret that we weren't able to do more to win hearts and minds over our road safety improvements (20mph and Lewes Road) but hopefully the disruption wasn't as bad as people feared and hopefully the improved accident statistics in the next couple of years will speak for themselves.

The living wage and new Level park are my favourite achievements.

The thriving local economy and booming visitor numbers are testament to our competent and indeed enterprising administration of the city.
As you haven't won over hearts and minds, why are you continuing with phase two of the 20mph scheme and also adding a cycle lane to the gyratory to further screw up Lewes Road?

I agree that the living wage is a good thing, as is the Level, although I am not sure you can take all the credit for that!
Will the Tories or Labour reverse any of these schemes if they ever get in? Have they promised to do so?! Of course not!
[quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: Well it was one hell of a poisoned chalice we took on, with austerity budget cuts of £25m per year and the looming equal pay crisis. Whether any administration could have resolved equal pay and avoided strike action by the bin workers is a a subject worthy of a PhD thesis and we'll probably never know. It certainly wasn't the first strike the city has seen. I do regret that we weren't able to do more to win hearts and minds over our road safety improvements (20mph and Lewes Road) but hopefully the disruption wasn't as bad as people feared and hopefully the improved accident statistics in the next couple of years will speak for themselves. The living wage and new Level park are my favourite achievements. The thriving local economy and booming visitor numbers are testament to our competent and indeed enterprising administration of the city.[/p][/quote]As you haven't won over hearts and minds, why are you continuing with phase two of the 20mph scheme and also adding a cycle lane to the gyratory to further screw up Lewes Road? I agree that the living wage is a good thing, as is the Level, although I am not sure you can take all the credit for that![/p][/quote]Will the Tories or Labour reverse any of these schemes if they ever get in? Have they promised to do so?! Of course not! brighton bluenose
  • Score: 1

2:06pm Wed 21 May 14

pachallis says...

Eugenius wrote:
Well it was one hell of a poisoned chalice we took on, with austerity budget cuts of £25m per year and the looming equal pay crisis. Whether any administration could have resolved equal pay and avoided strike action by the bin workers is a a subject worthy of a PhD thesis and we'll probably never know. It certainly wasn't the first strike the city has seen.

I do regret that we weren't able to do more to win hearts and minds over our road safety improvements (20mph and Lewes Road) but hopefully the disruption wasn't as bad as people feared and hopefully the improved accident statistics in the next couple of years will speak for themselves.

The living wage and new Level park are my favourite achievements.

The thriving local economy and booming visitor numbers are testament to our competent and indeed enterprising administration of the city.
@Eugenius - good to see a bit of pro-green spin instead of the anti-competition insults from HJarrs.

I'd agree that The Level was really good, but the Open Market stinks. We'll also have to wait and see if the i360 does more than provide additional income for the council.

The living wage doesn't interest me (as a ratepayer) and we can all remember how badly the council managed the refuse strike with Kitcat hiding in the town hall.

For the road safety improvements we'll have to see what the actual accident statistics show - if they are no better than before then perhaps they can be removed?

Lewes Road doesn't affect me personally, but it does seem strange that the pollution levels in the centre of the city have apparently got worse rather than better as a result of the changes.

The 20mph zones are almost a good idea if the had been put in the right places - in Portslade and Hove we have almost blanket 20mph zones ending just before schools, with no real calming measures introduced, and generally they seem to be totally ignored.

I'd like to see your basis for the thriving local economy - Duport shows Brighton doing well, but Hove is apparently growing even faster. Eastbourne, Bournemouth, Poole and even Blackpool are seaside towns growing even faster both Brighton and Hove. Only Worthing and Southampton seem to be growing less.

What green policies do you think encouraged businesses to move to the city?
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Regarding visitor numbers I'd again like to see the source - ONS is only talking about people staying on hotels over 1 night, and even HJarrs admits it was probably due to the better weather rather than anything the greens did or did not do.
[quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: Well it was one hell of a poisoned chalice we took on, with austerity budget cuts of £25m per year and the looming equal pay crisis. Whether any administration could have resolved equal pay and avoided strike action by the bin workers is a a subject worthy of a PhD thesis and we'll probably never know. It certainly wasn't the first strike the city has seen. I do regret that we weren't able to do more to win hearts and minds over our road safety improvements (20mph and Lewes Road) but hopefully the disruption wasn't as bad as people feared and hopefully the improved accident statistics in the next couple of years will speak for themselves. The living wage and new Level park are my favourite achievements. The thriving local economy and booming visitor numbers are testament to our competent and indeed enterprising administration of the city.[/p][/quote]@Eugenius - good to see a bit of pro-green spin instead of the anti-competition insults from HJarrs. I'd agree that The Level was really good, but the Open Market stinks. We'll also have to wait and see if the i360 does more than provide additional income for the council. The living wage doesn't interest me (as a ratepayer) and we can all remember how badly the council managed the refuse strike with Kitcat hiding in the town hall. For the road safety improvements we'll have to see what the actual accident statistics show - if they are no better than before then perhaps they can be removed? Lewes Road doesn't affect me personally, but it does seem strange that the pollution levels in the centre of the city have apparently got worse rather than better as a result of the changes. The 20mph zones are almost a good idea if the had been put in the right places - in Portslade and Hove we have almost blanket 20mph zones ending just before schools, with no real calming measures introduced, and generally they seem to be totally ignored. I'd like to see your basis for the thriving local economy - Duport shows Brighton doing well, but Hove is apparently growing even faster. Eastbourne, Bournemouth, Poole and even Blackpool are seaside towns growing even faster both Brighton and Hove. Only Worthing and Southampton seem to be growing less. What green policies do you think encouraged businesses to move to the city? . Regarding visitor numbers I'd again like to see the source - ONS is only talking about people staying on hotels over 1 night, and even HJarrs admits it was probably due to the better weather rather than anything the greens did or did not do. pachallis
  • Score: 3

6:09pm Wed 21 May 14

HJarrs says...

pachallis wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
pachallis wrote:
flmbn2 wrote:
pachallis wrote:
gheese77 wrote:
BURIRAM wrote: Just shows how silly the Green Party is.
Or honest
Green party honest? The party that promotes itself as being pro-environment, when it is in fact controlled by the green-left who define themselves as an 'Eco-socialist anti-capitalist current within the Green Party'? This is confirmed by the green parties manifesto for the forthcoming European elections where there is NO mention of anything relating to environmental causes, and everything relating to anti-capitalist anti-big business and a return to nationalisation and policies of the labour party of the 60s. And the green-left, who hide in the background, leaving the green-centre to appear as the moderate face of the party, whilst they support viscous protest groups such as the UAF- who themselves evolved from the oxymoron Socialist Workers party? Perhaps Antony Tabatznik didn’t realise that whilst he thought he would be donating to a pro-environment party; he would actually funding a party that might well want to nationalise his pharmaceutical interests and this could lead to a conflict for the ideological greens? Perhaps the green party could provide a list of groups they would not accept donations from, and how they validate donations do in fact come from approved sources? Remember everyone - make sure you use your vote in the forthcoming elections - and make sure you vote for ANY party except green - you know how much money they have wasted on their vanity projects and what they have done to this once great city!
1) "there is NO mention of anything relating to environmental causes".. Its on page 4 of the mini manifesto under the headline 'Environment and climate change'. Pages 12-19 of the full manifesto all fall under the heading of 'preserving the planet'. I'm guessing you haven't fully taken the time to read the manifesto. 2) "return to nationalisation and policies of the labour party of the 60s." If you're referring to the nationalisation of public sector institutions, such as the NHS, the clue is in the name... Its the NATIONAL health service. What about that is supposed to be privatised? The point of NATIONAL insurance is to make a contribution, paying 'INSURANCE' that when you need medical care, it will be there. It was never intended to be split up and sold to the highest bidder just so the majority of people could continue to pay a tax on a service they are not only struggling to receive, but so that the owners of these companies can make a profit, which itself contributes nothing back into the economy. 3) "Perhaps the green party could provide a list of groups they would not accept donations from, and how they validate donations do in fact come from approved sources?" Having studied (albeit briefly) Power and Politics, i can honestly state that party donations and big business alliances with politicians are one of the biggest threats to democracy in this country. If a party relies on donations from certain businesses or corporate entities, this is of course going to effect how that particular party decides to write policy on matters which effect said business. You don't have to do much digging to see the kinds of people the coalition have on their board when writing legislature. Fast food corporations are hugely influential when writing policy to tackle obesity; Tobacco corporations have influence over health and smoking policies. This makes no sense, and it highlights why taking a moral position when accepting (or not accepting) party donations is important to the integrity of a party. The last thing you want is your government having conflicting interests over what they've pledged to do, and what the big corporate donors want them to do. The green party may not be perfect, but at least they're moral.
@flmbnb2 - sorry don't have access to PC to provide full response. Re nationalisation, greens intend to nationalise energy and railways according to our green MEP as a well as keeping the NHS public. Not sure what is wrong with partsparts of the NHS becoming private if it reduces costs and improves service, as long as it is still free to those who use it? Unless, of course, you are left wing anti-capitalist? Re environment, the only mention from Alex Philips in her interview was her being anti tracking. Our green MEP had no mention of the environment at all in his vision. These may be in the detailed manifesto but they are not what the candidates are focusing on. Who can we trust?
Ha, ha Patchy. The " there is NO mention of anything relating to environmental causes" comment fell flat and makes you like a real tool! Oh, and by the way, the first item on the Green flyer I got through the door for Keith Taylor is environment. I think you should stop spinning this one. You make a poor spin doctor. I think you seem to object to the Greens having grown up over the years and having a decent suit of sensible policies unlike UKIP for example. What are their environmental policies? Who knows? Farage refuses to discuss any policies other than European exit, because if he did, he would be a laughing stock. Likewise, all other parties have a lot of domestic issues to the fore, a symptom of our distance from Europe. This article is about party funding Patchy. Nobody is perfect and what is perfection anyway? But, tell me who has maintained a higher principle on funding than the Greens? Liberals? Refused to refund millions provided by a fraudster? Labour a party that delayed tobacco legislation due to a backhander and is locally funded by a developer and a Hedge Fund Manager (why is this not in the Argus?), Tories with an open door for the city if the price is right and UKIP in the pockets of a few city financiers. What a pleasant change that one political party has actually upheld their principles, rare indeed.
@HJarrs - sorry I was unable to get online yesterday evening, but I see you've been busy. I see you are back to your usual insults - I have come to expect that from you. Then it is straight back to you attacking the opposition and implying that the greens are better - hilarious! You really are a pathetic advert for the green party! Didn't Fercri Sakes tell you to stop posting? Regarding the green manifesto I point you to the interview with Alexandra Phillips on the Brighton & Hove News web site entitled 'Youngest Green councillor in Brighton and Hove aims for seat in the European Parliament'. I am surprised you haven't been on there as well insulting all the posters. With regards to the Green manifesto I point you to Keith Taylor’s posting on what the greens stand for: 1. Keeping the NHS Public 2. Paying workers a living wage 3. Defending public services 4. Creating sustainable jobs 5. Protecting pensions and ending fuel poverty 6. Nationalising rail and energy companies 7. Abolishing tuition fees and increasing HE spending 8. Increasing science funding So NO mention of anything to do with the environment – I repeat the only mention is related to being against fracking, which all other parties and the UN are in favour of as an emission lowering migration path to sustainable energy. The only grass roots support for the environment seems to come from a few loyal supporters such as yourself - the rest seem to be desperately looking to save their political careers by changing from centre-green to left-pink in an attempt to woo voters. How much time does Caroline spend on the environment and how much on her pet projects such as feminism, drug dens and supporting travellers? Keith’s green manifesto does just sound like the labour party of the 1960s – hence their attacks on Labour. It will be interesting to see where the money for all these grandiose schemes will come from? As regards to lack of principles and morals, the problem is that this tends to be an in individual basis these days. What one person calls morally justified the other can say is morally wrong. I don't use the word 'ethics' as in the US this sees to mean 'obeying the law'. Is it morally right to encourage protesters to verbally and physically abuse the opposition - I'm thinking here of the Cuadrilla workers and those attending the UKIP meetings? Is it morally right to eject Christians from the Green Party because they disagree with same-sex marriages? Is it morally right to spread misinformation and fear about the dangers of fracking and split the inhabitants of a Sussex village into opposing camps? Is it morally right to promote the greens as an environmental party when behind the scenes they are really just an left-wing anti-capitalist anti-big business group? I suppose for the greens if 'the ends justify the means' then it is morally okay - just ignore anyone that disagrees with you! Look what has happened with Brighton & Hove City Council and all the green projects. Yes - the big parties probably are linked to big business and are encouraging them to grow both in the UK and globally - IMHO a lot better than being green and trying to destroy big business and move us towards a communist state! Finally, may I wish the left-wing anti-capitalist Green candidates every failure in tomorrow's European elections. However if we can lose Alexandra Phillips to Europe there will probably be great cheers from the Goldsmid ratepayers.
I have twigged your comment about no environmental commitments (despite them being in manifesto etc, etc) they haven't got anything supporting fracking!

I also do love your indignation about insults, though you seem happy to dish them out yourself.

The main parties are funded by big business for the benefit of big business and then for the senior management of big business, whether the country benefits is secondary.
[quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]flmbn2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BURIRAM[/bold] wrote: Just shows how silly the Green Party is.[/p][/quote]Or honest[/p][/quote]Green party honest? The party that promotes itself as being pro-environment, when it is in fact controlled by the green-left who define themselves as an 'Eco-socialist anti-capitalist current within the Green Party'? This is confirmed by the green parties manifesto for the forthcoming European elections where there is NO mention of anything relating to environmental causes, and everything relating to anti-capitalist anti-big business and a return to nationalisation and policies of the labour party of the 60s. And the green-left, who hide in the background, leaving the green-centre to appear as the moderate face of the party, whilst they support viscous protest groups such as the UAF- who themselves evolved from the oxymoron Socialist Workers party? Perhaps Antony Tabatznik didn’t realise that whilst he thought he would be donating to a pro-environment party; he would actually funding a party that might well want to nationalise his pharmaceutical interests and this could lead to a conflict for the ideological greens? Perhaps the green party could provide a list of groups they would not accept donations from, and how they validate donations do in fact come from approved sources? Remember everyone - make sure you use your vote in the forthcoming elections - and make sure you vote for ANY party except green - you know how much money they have wasted on their vanity projects and what they have done to this once great city![/p][/quote]1) "there is NO mention of anything relating to environmental causes".. Its on page 4 of the mini manifesto under the headline 'Environment and climate change'. Pages 12-19 of the full manifesto all fall under the heading of 'preserving the planet'. I'm guessing you haven't fully taken the time to read the manifesto. 2) "return to nationalisation and policies of the labour party of the 60s." If you're referring to the nationalisation of public sector institutions, such as the NHS, the clue is in the name... Its the NATIONAL health service. What about that is supposed to be privatised? The point of NATIONAL insurance is to make a contribution, paying 'INSURANCE' that when you need medical care, it will be there. It was never intended to be split up and sold to the highest bidder just so the majority of people could continue to pay a tax on a service they are not only struggling to receive, but so that the owners of these companies can make a profit, which itself contributes nothing back into the economy. 3) "Perhaps the green party could provide a list of groups they would not accept donations from, and how they validate donations do in fact come from approved sources?" Having studied (albeit briefly) Power and Politics, i can honestly state that party donations and big business alliances with politicians are one of the biggest threats to democracy in this country. If a party relies on donations from certain businesses or corporate entities, this is of course going to effect how that particular party decides to write policy on matters which effect said business. You don't have to do much digging to see the kinds of people the coalition have on their board when writing legislature. Fast food corporations are hugely influential when writing policy to tackle obesity; Tobacco corporations have influence over health and smoking policies. This makes no sense, and it highlights why taking a moral position when accepting (or not accepting) party donations is important to the integrity of a party. The last thing you want is your government having conflicting interests over what they've pledged to do, and what the big corporate donors want them to do. The green party may not be perfect, but at least they're moral.[/p][/quote]@flmbnb2 - sorry don't have access to PC to provide full response. Re nationalisation, greens intend to nationalise energy and railways according to our green MEP as a well as keeping the NHS public. Not sure what is wrong with partsparts of the NHS becoming private if it reduces costs and improves service, as long as it is still free to those who use it? Unless, of course, you are left wing anti-capitalist? Re environment, the only mention from Alex Philips in her interview was her being anti tracking. Our green MEP had no mention of the environment at all in his vision. These may be in the detailed manifesto but they are not what the candidates are focusing on. Who can we trust?[/p][/quote]Ha, ha Patchy. The " there is NO mention of anything relating to environmental causes" comment fell flat and makes you like a real tool! Oh, and by the way, the first item on the Green flyer I got through the door for Keith Taylor is environment. I think you should stop spinning this one. You make a poor spin doctor. I think you seem to object to the Greens having grown up over the years and having a decent suit of sensible policies unlike UKIP for example. What are their environmental policies? Who knows? Farage refuses to discuss any policies other than European exit, because if he did, he would be a laughing stock. Likewise, all other parties have a lot of domestic issues to the fore, a symptom of our distance from Europe. This article is about party funding Patchy. Nobody is perfect and what is perfection anyway? But, tell me who has maintained a higher principle on funding than the Greens? Liberals? Refused to refund millions provided by a fraudster? Labour a party that delayed tobacco legislation due to a backhander and is locally funded by a developer and a Hedge Fund Manager (why is this not in the Argus?), Tories with an open door for the city if the price is right and UKIP in the pockets of a few city financiers. What a pleasant change that one political party has actually upheld their principles, rare indeed.[/p][/quote]@HJarrs - sorry I was unable to get online yesterday evening, but I see you've been busy. I see you are back to your usual insults - I have come to expect that from you. Then it is straight back to you attacking the opposition and implying that the greens are better - hilarious! You really are a pathetic advert for the green party! Didn't Fercri Sakes tell you to stop posting? Regarding the green manifesto I point you to the interview with Alexandra Phillips on the Brighton & Hove News web site entitled 'Youngest Green councillor in Brighton and Hove aims for seat in the European Parliament'. I am surprised you haven't been on there as well insulting all the posters. With regards to the Green manifesto I point you to Keith Taylor’s posting on what the greens stand for: 1. Keeping the NHS Public 2. Paying workers a living wage 3. Defending public services 4. Creating sustainable jobs 5. Protecting pensions and ending fuel poverty 6. Nationalising rail and energy companies 7. Abolishing tuition fees and increasing HE spending 8. Increasing science funding So NO mention of anything to do with the environment – I repeat the only mention is related to being against fracking, which all other parties and the UN are in favour of as an emission lowering migration path to sustainable energy. The only grass roots support for the environment seems to come from a few loyal supporters such as yourself - the rest seem to be desperately looking to save their political careers by changing from centre-green to left-pink in an attempt to woo voters. How much time does Caroline spend on the environment and how much on her pet projects such as feminism, drug dens and supporting travellers? Keith’s green manifesto does just sound like the labour party of the 1960s – hence their attacks on Labour. It will be interesting to see where the money for all these grandiose schemes will come from? As regards to lack of principles and morals, the problem is that this tends to be an in individual basis these days. What one person calls morally justified the other can say is morally wrong. I don't use the word 'ethics' as in the US this sees to mean 'obeying the law'. Is it morally right to encourage protesters to verbally and physically abuse the opposition - I'm thinking here of the Cuadrilla workers and those attending the UKIP meetings? Is it morally right to eject Christians from the Green Party because they disagree with same-sex marriages? Is it morally right to spread misinformation and fear about the dangers of fracking and split the inhabitants of a Sussex village into opposing camps? Is it morally right to promote the greens as an environmental party when behind the scenes they are really just an left-wing anti-capitalist anti-big business group? I suppose for the greens if 'the ends justify the means' then it is morally okay - just ignore anyone that disagrees with you! Look what has happened with Brighton & Hove City Council and all the green projects. Yes - the big parties probably are linked to big business and are encouraging them to grow both in the UK and globally - IMHO a lot better than being green and trying to destroy big business and move us towards a communist state! Finally, may I wish the left-wing anti-capitalist Green candidates every failure in tomorrow's European elections. However if we can lose Alexandra Phillips to Europe there will probably be great cheers from the Goldsmid ratepayers.[/p][/quote]I have twigged your comment about no environmental commitments (despite them being in manifesto etc, etc) they haven't got anything supporting fracking! I also do love your indignation about insults, though you seem happy to dish them out yourself. The main parties are funded by big business for the benefit of big business and then for the senior management of big business, whether the country benefits is secondary. HJarrs
  • Score: -1

6:21pm Wed 21 May 14

the_fendahl says...

hyram77 wrote:
I can see no reason why they shouldn't have accepted his donation. He is acting within UK tax laws. Probably won't offer again!
Did you read the article? They returned the donation based on their own ethical priinciples, nothing to do with whether or not what he does is legal, they objected on moral grounds. You do understand the difference between morality and legality don't you? Of course he wont off again, they don't want it!
[quote][p][bold]hyram77[/bold] wrote: I can see no reason why they shouldn't have accepted his donation. He is acting within UK tax laws. Probably won't offer again![/p][/quote]Did you read the article? They returned the donation based on their own ethical priinciples, nothing to do with whether or not what he does is legal, they objected on moral grounds. You do understand the difference between morality and legality don't you? Of course he wont off again, they don't want it! the_fendahl
  • Score: 2

6:54pm Wed 21 May 14

pachallis says...

@HJarrs - for a person supposedly being the voice of the green party it is advisable to act responsibly and not issue insults.

For those acting as the voice is any party it is advisable to accept insults without responding.

Eugenius is much more professional than you in that he ignores insults and promotes the green party. You act very childishly and insult everyone who you disagree with and just spend your time attacking other parties.

Hence every time you make a post you get negative feedback!
@HJarrs - for a person supposedly being the voice of the green party it is advisable to act responsibly and not issue insults. For those acting as the voice is any party it is advisable to accept insults without responding. Eugenius is much more professional than you in that he ignores insults and promotes the green party. You act very childishly and insult everyone who you disagree with and just spend your time attacking other parties. Hence every time you make a post you get negative feedback! pachallis
  • Score: 2

7:13pm Wed 21 May 14

tez1959 says...

could have spent it on a 20 metre cycle lane somewhere there good at that roll on thursday they can be evicted from the big council house
could have spent it on a 20 metre cycle lane somewhere there good at that roll on thursday they can be evicted from the big council house tez1959
  • Score: 2

7:22pm Wed 21 May 14

Eugenius says...

We're selling off the big council house as one of our cost cutting measures. Other parties have talked about downsizing for years but never had the courage. If you want a principled team that isn't afraid to roll their sleeves up and change things for the better then vote for the Greens.
We're selling off the big council house as one of our cost cutting measures. Other parties have talked about downsizing for years but never had the courage. If you want a principled team that isn't afraid to roll their sleeves up and change things for the better then vote for the Greens. Eugenius
  • Score: 5

9:35am Thu 22 May 14

brightonian1981 says...

flmbn2 wrote:
pachallis wrote:
gheese77 wrote:
BURIRAM wrote:
Just shows how silly the Green Party is.
Or honest
Green party honest?

The party that promotes itself as being pro-environment, when it is in fact controlled by the green-left who define themselves as an 'Eco-socialist anti-capitalist current within the Green Party'?

This is confirmed by the green parties manifesto for the forthcoming European elections where there is NO mention of anything relating to environmental causes, and everything relating to anti-capitalist anti-big business and a return to nationalisation and policies of the labour party of the 60s.

And the green-left, who hide in the background, leaving the green-centre to appear as the moderate face of the party, whilst they support viscous protest groups such as the UAF- who themselves evolved from the oxymoron Socialist Workers party?

Perhaps Antony Tabatznik didn’t realise that whilst he thought he would be donating to a pro-environment party; he would actually funding a party that might well want to nationalise his pharmaceutical interests and this could lead to a conflict for the ideological greens?

Perhaps the green party could provide a list of groups they would not accept donations from, and how they validate donations do in fact come from approved sources?

Remember everyone - make sure you use your vote in the forthcoming elections - and make sure you vote for ANY party except green - you know how much money they have wasted on their vanity projects and what they have done to this once great city!
1) "there is NO mention of anything relating to environmental causes".. Its on page 4 of the mini manifesto under the headline 'Environment and climate change'. Pages 12-19 of the full manifesto all fall under the heading of 'preserving the planet'. I'm guessing you haven't fully taken the time to read the manifesto.

2) "return to nationalisation and policies of the labour party of the 60s." If you're referring to the nationalisation of public sector institutions, such as the NHS, the clue is in the name... Its the NATIONAL health service. What about that is supposed to be privatised? The point of NATIONAL insurance is to make a contribution, paying 'INSURANCE' that when you need medical care, it will be there. It was never intended to be split up and sold to the highest bidder just so the majority of people could continue to pay a tax on a service they are not only struggling to receive, but so that the owners of these companies can make a profit, which itself contributes nothing back into the economy.

3) "Perhaps the green party could provide a list of groups they would not accept donations from, and how they validate donations do in fact come from approved sources?" Having studied (albeit briefly) Power and Politics, i can honestly state that party donations and big business alliances with politicians are one of the biggest threats to democracy in this country. If a party relies on donations from certain businesses or corporate entities, this is of course going to effect how that particular party decides to write policy on matters which effect said business. You don't have to do much digging to see the kinds of people the coalition have on their board when writing legislature. Fast food corporations are hugely influential when writing policy to tackle obesity; Tobacco corporations have influence over health and smoking policies. This makes no sense, and it highlights why taking a moral position when accepting (or not accepting) party donations is important to the integrity of a party. The last thing you want is your government having conflicting interests over what they've pledged to do, and what the big corporate donors want them to do.

The green party may not be perfect, but at least they're moral.
"1) "there is NO mention of anything relating to environmental causes".. Its on page 4 of the mini manifesto under the headline 'Environment and climate change'. Pages 12-19 of the full manifesto all fall under the heading of 'preserving the planet'. I'm guessing you haven't fully taken the time to read the manifesto."


Not to mention that the Green Party has the highest voting record in support of climate change policies in the European Parliament than ANY other European party.

Urgh. The Argus comments section is worse than YouTube, I don't know why I even scroll down.
[quote][p][bold]flmbn2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BURIRAM[/bold] wrote: Just shows how silly the Green Party is.[/p][/quote]Or honest[/p][/quote]Green party honest? The party that promotes itself as being pro-environment, when it is in fact controlled by the green-left who define themselves as an 'Eco-socialist anti-capitalist current within the Green Party'? This is confirmed by the green parties manifesto for the forthcoming European elections where there is NO mention of anything relating to environmental causes, and everything relating to anti-capitalist anti-big business and a return to nationalisation and policies of the labour party of the 60s. And the green-left, who hide in the background, leaving the green-centre to appear as the moderate face of the party, whilst they support viscous protest groups such as the UAF- who themselves evolved from the oxymoron Socialist Workers party? Perhaps Antony Tabatznik didn’t realise that whilst he thought he would be donating to a pro-environment party; he would actually funding a party that might well want to nationalise his pharmaceutical interests and this could lead to a conflict for the ideological greens? Perhaps the green party could provide a list of groups they would not accept donations from, and how they validate donations do in fact come from approved sources? Remember everyone - make sure you use your vote in the forthcoming elections - and make sure you vote for ANY party except green - you know how much money they have wasted on their vanity projects and what they have done to this once great city![/p][/quote]1) "there is NO mention of anything relating to environmental causes".. Its on page 4 of the mini manifesto under the headline 'Environment and climate change'. Pages 12-19 of the full manifesto all fall under the heading of 'preserving the planet'. I'm guessing you haven't fully taken the time to read the manifesto. 2) "return to nationalisation and policies of the labour party of the 60s." If you're referring to the nationalisation of public sector institutions, such as the NHS, the clue is in the name... Its the NATIONAL health service. What about that is supposed to be privatised? The point of NATIONAL insurance is to make a contribution, paying 'INSURANCE' that when you need medical care, it will be there. It was never intended to be split up and sold to the highest bidder just so the majority of people could continue to pay a tax on a service they are not only struggling to receive, but so that the owners of these companies can make a profit, which itself contributes nothing back into the economy. 3) "Perhaps the green party could provide a list of groups they would not accept donations from, and how they validate donations do in fact come from approved sources?" Having studied (albeit briefly) Power and Politics, i can honestly state that party donations and big business alliances with politicians are one of the biggest threats to democracy in this country. If a party relies on donations from certain businesses or corporate entities, this is of course going to effect how that particular party decides to write policy on matters which effect said business. You don't have to do much digging to see the kinds of people the coalition have on their board when writing legislature. Fast food corporations are hugely influential when writing policy to tackle obesity; Tobacco corporations have influence over health and smoking policies. This makes no sense, and it highlights why taking a moral position when accepting (or not accepting) party donations is important to the integrity of a party. The last thing you want is your government having conflicting interests over what they've pledged to do, and what the big corporate donors want them to do. The green party may not be perfect, but at least they're moral.[/p][/quote]"1) "there is NO mention of anything relating to environmental causes".. Its on page 4 of the mini manifesto under the headline 'Environment and climate change'. Pages 12-19 of the full manifesto all fall under the heading of 'preserving the planet'. I'm guessing you haven't fully taken the time to read the manifesto." Not to mention that the Green Party has the highest voting record in support of climate change policies in the European Parliament than ANY other European party. Urgh. The Argus comments section is worse than YouTube, I don't know why I even scroll down. brightonian1981
  • Score: 1

9:51am Thu 22 May 14

brighton bluenose says...

tez1959 wrote:
could have spent it on a 20 metre cycle lane somewhere there good at that roll on thursday they can be evicted from the big council house
Yeah like all the cycle lanes of various ridiculous sizes the other parties put in you silly s0d!
[quote][p][bold]tez1959[/bold] wrote: could have spent it on a 20 metre cycle lane somewhere there good at that roll on thursday they can be evicted from the big council house[/p][/quote]Yeah like all the cycle lanes of various ridiculous sizes the other parties put in you silly s0d! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -3

10:37am Thu 22 May 14

pachallis says...

@brightonian1981 - WDR when I said manifesto I meant recent press items and postings from the Green MEPs where there was no mention of the environment - only various extreme left-wing quotes about being anti-big business, stopping the NHS going private, and renationalising the energy and rail industries.

I don't have the desire of the will or the time to read the full, or summary green manifesto - that is your problem - not mine.

I also haven't read the full manifestos of the Conservatives, Labour, Liberal, BNP or UKIP as after 4 years of suffering an irresponsible, incompetent, idealistic, innumerate, immature green-led council I know who I will not be voting for in European, Parliamentary or local council elections.

BTW - glad you made it to the end again ;)
@brightonian1981 - WDR when I said manifesto I meant recent press items and postings from the Green MEPs where there was no mention of the environment - only various extreme left-wing quotes about being anti-big business, stopping the NHS going private, and renationalising the energy and rail industries. I don't have the desire of the will or the time to read the full, or summary green manifesto - that is your problem - not mine. I also haven't read the full manifestos of the Conservatives, Labour, Liberal, BNP or UKIP as after 4 years of suffering an irresponsible, incompetent, idealistic, innumerate, immature green-led council I know who I will not be voting for in European, Parliamentary or local council elections. BTW - glad you made it to the end again ;) pachallis
  • Score: -2

1:16pm Thu 22 May 14

paul6391 says...

Andy R wrote:
westpiergone wrote:
Roll on Thursday,hopefully this shower of sh*t will be gone & Brighton & Hove will be run by somebody who actually cares about the town & its people !
I'll bet you £10k the Greens will still be in power in Brighton and Hove on Friday.
i'll take that bet..
[quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]westpiergone[/bold] wrote: Roll on Thursday,hopefully this shower of sh*t will be gone & Brighton & Hove will be run by somebody who actually cares about the town & its people ![/p][/quote]I'll bet you £10k the Greens will still be in power in Brighton and Hove on Friday.[/p][/quote]i'll take that bet.. paul6391
  • Score: 1

2:26pm Thu 22 May 14

Mr chock says...

Eugenius wrote:
Brand new bin lorries for Brighton & Hove are on the way. There's some more upbeat news on the tide turning on the refuse and recycling problems in our Chief Executive's blog post today: http://pennythompson

cex.blogspot.co.uk/#

openCEO
on the way JULY ... ohh great .. 6 new thin dust carts to cope with the ever increasing current trend for people to buy big 4X4 vehicles that never go off road LOL ..
i know the fish in skips issues was not clearly dealt with but the guys that were dealing with the refurbishment of the pond were all swimming pool experts so no one can blame them
[quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: Brand new bin lorries for Brighton & Hove are on the way. There's some more upbeat news on the tide turning on the refuse and recycling problems in our Chief Executive's blog post today: http://pennythompson cex.blogspot.co.uk/# openCEO[/p][/quote]on the way JULY ... ohh great .. 6 new thin dust carts to cope with the ever increasing current trend for people to buy big 4X4 vehicles that never go off road LOL .. i know the fish in skips issues was not clearly dealt with but the guys that were dealing with the refurbishment of the pond were all swimming pool experts so no one can blame them Mr chock
  • Score: -1

4:34pm Thu 22 May 14

ARMANA says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Hard work and enthusiasm paid for by state benefits, student loans and wealthy husbands funding stay at home ladies to potter about in politics.
Why can't we get our refuse and recycling collected. Do some hard work HJarrs and clear the city up. The graffiti and rubbish is terrible. The seafront is desperate for your enthusiasm.
Usual nonsense from you MG!
The problems with refuse collections are down to the fact that five dust-carts were taken out of service due to central government cuts that were further backed by the Labour Party locally - I am sure you are aware of this but, if not, you certainly should be before spouting such tiresome drivel!!
Your the expert there brown nose, !!
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Hard work and enthusiasm paid for by state benefits, student loans and wealthy husbands funding stay at home ladies to potter about in politics. Why can't we get our refuse and recycling collected. Do some hard work HJarrs and clear the city up. The graffiti and rubbish is terrible. The seafront is desperate for your enthusiasm.[/p][/quote]Usual nonsense from you MG! The problems with refuse collections are down to the fact that five dust-carts were taken out of service due to central government cuts that were further backed by the Labour Party locally - I am sure you are aware of this but, if not, you certainly should be before spouting such tiresome drivel!![/p][/quote]Your the expert there brown nose, !! ARMANA
  • Score: 2

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