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2,000 at illegal rave in National Park

An illegal rave has left residents angry after 2,000 people turned up to party in a National Park.

The rave is still ongoing at Devil's Dyke, and Sussex Police are struggling to maintain the crowds.

More to follow.

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1:45pm Sun 25 May 14

Freeman No.1 says...

Just returned from walking my dog near the site and there are around 200 people in various states of drug-fuelled disarray moping around like zombies as the bass throbs from various sound systems. The site is incapable of holding more than around 1,000 people and I doubt it ever got that busy. There are two Police cars near the Golf Course and one dog van down in Saddlescombe. Contrast that with what has been reported in the article above.
Here are my observations. The Police are most definitely NOT struggling to do anything at all, aside from whatever any undercover cops at the site may be doing and there are about three uniformed officers sitting in their cars who are probably updating Sussex Police's Twitter feed but not much else at the moment. 'Local residents' who could possibly be affected by the noise from the site number around fifty at the most and only then when the wind blows the sound in their direction. Saddlescombe, Poynings and Fulking would be the only places which could be affected by the noise.
For around an hour this morning (10-11am), the music from the Free Party could not be heard over the racket the Police Helicopter was making as it hovered and circled the site.
The tragic and entirely avoidable mess is a definite issue for the organisers and attendees, as is the lack of Police action on those who are sitting in cars which line and block the road near the site. Not only the site is strewn with litter and broken glass but also the roads surrounding the site. I didn't notice a single person who was not under the influence of drugs or alcohol and with the amount of cyclists and walkers around, drug/drunk drivers would be my immediate concern if I were a Police officer but it would take a concerted effort to block the roads while processing every driver which entered or left the area, so I cannot see how without a direct attack on drivers and those who are out of control would not result in creating more trouble to resolve.
I understand access to the site was gained by removing a locked gate and by cutting through a fence in three places but this was anecdotally stated to me by an irate resident who seemed to be against anything which they and their friends wouldn't do themselves and a definitely defensive attitude prevailed.
So to the facts. Free Parties in fields are nothing new and i'm old enough to remember the nastiness which the Police inflicted on those arriving at Stone Henge, resulting in 'The Battle of the Beanfield'. Thankfully, times have changed and if all the damage being done is to a gate and a fence, fine the organisers or get them to repair it and to pay for any clean-up needed.
Just returned from walking my dog near the site and there are around 200 people in various states of drug-fuelled disarray moping around like zombies as the bass throbs from various sound systems. The site is incapable of holding more than around 1,000 people and I doubt it ever got that busy. There are two Police cars near the Golf Course and one dog van down in Saddlescombe. Contrast that with what has been reported in the article above. Here are my observations. The Police are most definitely NOT struggling to do anything at all, aside from whatever any undercover cops at the site may be doing and there are about three uniformed officers sitting in their cars who are probably updating Sussex Police's Twitter feed but not much else at the moment. 'Local residents' who could possibly be affected by the noise from the site number around fifty at the most and only then when the wind blows the sound in their direction. Saddlescombe, Poynings and Fulking would be the only places which could be affected by the noise. For around an hour this morning (10-11am), the music from the Free Party could not be heard over the racket the Police Helicopter was making as it hovered and circled the site. The tragic and entirely avoidable mess is a definite issue for the organisers and attendees, as is the lack of Police action on those who are sitting in cars which line and block the road near the site. Not only the site is strewn with litter and broken glass but also the roads surrounding the site. I didn't notice a single person who was not under the influence of drugs or alcohol and with the amount of cyclists and walkers around, drug/drunk drivers would be my immediate concern if I were a Police officer but it would take a concerted effort to block the roads while processing every driver which entered or left the area, so I cannot see how without a direct attack on drivers and those who are out of control would not result in creating more trouble to resolve. I understand access to the site was gained by removing a locked gate and by cutting through a fence in three places but this was anecdotally stated to me by an irate resident who seemed to be against anything which they and their friends wouldn't do themselves and a definitely defensive attitude prevailed. So to the facts. Free Parties in fields are nothing new and i'm old enough to remember the nastiness which the Police inflicted on those arriving at Stone Henge, resulting in 'The Battle of the Beanfield'. Thankfully, times have changed and if all the damage being done is to a gate and a fence, fine the organisers or get them to repair it and to pay for any clean-up needed. Freeman No.1
  • Score: 44

1:46pm Sun 25 May 14

clubrob6 says...

I would have kept it quiet loads of people will now head that way,people know police are rare even in city centres so there is nothing to stop these raves.Its the poor old wildlife that will be suffering most right in the middle of the breeding season.
I would have kept it quiet loads of people will now head that way,people know police are rare even in city centres so there is nothing to stop these raves.Its the poor old wildlife that will be suffering most right in the middle of the breeding season. clubrob6
  • Score: 20

1:52pm Sun 25 May 14

clubrob6 says...

Freeman No.1 wrote:
Just returned from walking my dog near the site and there are around 200 people in various states of drug-fuelled disarray moping around like zombies as the bass throbs from various sound systems. The site is incapable of holding more than around 1,000 people and I doubt it ever got that busy. There are two Police cars near the Golf Course and one dog van down in Saddlescombe. Contrast that with what has been reported in the article above.
Here are my observations. The Police are most definitely NOT struggling to do anything at all, aside from whatever any undercover cops at the site may be doing and there are about three uniformed officers sitting in their cars who are probably updating Sussex Police's Twitter feed but not much else at the moment. 'Local residents' who could possibly be affected by the noise from the site number around fifty at the most and only then when the wind blows the sound in their direction. Saddlescombe, Poynings and Fulking would be the only places which could be affected by the noise.
For around an hour this morning (10-11am), the music from the Free Party could not be heard over the racket the Police Helicopter was making as it hovered and circled the site.
The tragic and entirely avoidable mess is a definite issue for the organisers and attendees, as is the lack of Police action on those who are sitting in cars which line and block the road near the site. Not only the site is strewn with litter and broken glass but also the roads surrounding the site. I didn't notice a single person who was not under the influence of drugs or alcohol and with the amount of cyclists and walkers around, drug/drunk drivers would be my immediate concern if I were a Police officer but it would take a concerted effort to block the roads while processing every driver which entered or left the area, so I cannot see how without a direct attack on drivers and those who are out of control would not result in creating more trouble to resolve.
I understand access to the site was gained by removing a locked gate and by cutting through a fence in three places but this was anecdotally stated to me by an irate resident who seemed to be against anything which they and their friends wouldn't do themselves and a definitely defensive attitude prevailed.
So to the facts. Free Parties in fields are nothing new and i'm old enough to remember the nastiness which the Police inflicted on those arriving at Stone Henge, resulting in 'The Battle of the Beanfield'. Thankfully, times have changed and if all the damage being done is to a gate and a fence, fine the organisers or get them to repair it and to pay for any clean-up needed.
You should get a reporters job so we can get facts,but like the police the argus reporters are probably on holiday with it being a bank holiday.
[quote][p][bold]Freeman No.1[/bold] wrote: Just returned from walking my dog near the site and there are around 200 people in various states of drug-fuelled disarray moping around like zombies as the bass throbs from various sound systems. The site is incapable of holding more than around 1,000 people and I doubt it ever got that busy. There are two Police cars near the Golf Course and one dog van down in Saddlescombe. Contrast that with what has been reported in the article above. Here are my observations. The Police are most definitely NOT struggling to do anything at all, aside from whatever any undercover cops at the site may be doing and there are about three uniformed officers sitting in their cars who are probably updating Sussex Police's Twitter feed but not much else at the moment. 'Local residents' who could possibly be affected by the noise from the site number around fifty at the most and only then when the wind blows the sound in their direction. Saddlescombe, Poynings and Fulking would be the only places which could be affected by the noise. For around an hour this morning (10-11am), the music from the Free Party could not be heard over the racket the Police Helicopter was making as it hovered and circled the site. The tragic and entirely avoidable mess is a definite issue for the organisers and attendees, as is the lack of Police action on those who are sitting in cars which line and block the road near the site. Not only the site is strewn with litter and broken glass but also the roads surrounding the site. I didn't notice a single person who was not under the influence of drugs or alcohol and with the amount of cyclists and walkers around, drug/drunk drivers would be my immediate concern if I were a Police officer but it would take a concerted effort to block the roads while processing every driver which entered or left the area, so I cannot see how without a direct attack on drivers and those who are out of control would not result in creating more trouble to resolve. I understand access to the site was gained by removing a locked gate and by cutting through a fence in three places but this was anecdotally stated to me by an irate resident who seemed to be against anything which they and their friends wouldn't do themselves and a definitely defensive attitude prevailed. So to the facts. Free Parties in fields are nothing new and i'm old enough to remember the nastiness which the Police inflicted on those arriving at Stone Henge, resulting in 'The Battle of the Beanfield'. Thankfully, times have changed and if all the damage being done is to a gate and a fence, fine the organisers or get them to repair it and to pay for any clean-up needed.[/p][/quote]You should get a reporters job so we can get facts,but like the police the argus reporters are probably on holiday with it being a bank holiday. clubrob6
  • Score: 41

2:04pm Sun 25 May 14

binbag says...

It's so loud. I live in Poynings, woke me up at 1.45 and it's still going now. Ten years ago I'd have gone and joined them. It's kept me awake nearly all night so I might as well have! Surely the police now just seize equipment or force them to turn it off, and everyone goes home? It's been going on 12 hours now. They'd better stop it before tonight, I need sleep....
It's so loud. I live in Poynings, woke me up at 1.45 and it's still going now. Ten years ago I'd have gone and joined them. It's kept me awake nearly all night so I might as well have! Surely the police now just seize equipment or force them to turn it off, and everyone goes home? It's been going on 12 hours now. They'd better stop it before tonight, I need sleep.... binbag
  • Score: 22

2:31pm Sun 25 May 14

Freeman No.1 says...

clubrob6 wrote:
I would have kept it quiet loads of people will now head that way,people know police are rare even in city centres so there is nothing to stop these raves.Its the poor old wildlife that will be suffering most right in the middle of the breeding season.
I completely agree regarding your sentiments for local wildlife, as the localised volume of the party might scare or deafen young animals ie foxes, badgers and birds, though probably no more than fireworks would. The noise from the site from 9am to 1pm and about half a mile away, was quieter than planes flying overhead and farm machinery. I am very sensitive to noise and even up close to the site, it wasn't anything to drive a sane person to distraction.

Clubrob6, could you ask the "loads of people" to consider taking cold drinking water and bin bags with them? ;)

I would imagine that those who are still at the site, are there because they have forgotten to leave or no longer have the energy to do so. They'll all be seriously dehydrated as it's really hot up there and if anything, taking them some cold water and bin bags would probably sort the majority of issues out.

I would imagine that this article came about as a result of a couple of Saddlescombe residents ringing the Argus (based in Hampshire), who have no idea of any facts about the 'Free Party'. The biggest offense, in my opinion, is that being caused by people driving away from the site who have consumed too much LEGAL alcohol. The rest would be down to possession of class A/B drugs they forgot to snort, smoke or swallow, minor 'criminal damage' and trespassing. This is a matter for the Police to deal with, not irate farming hamlet dwellers.

If it's facts you're after, the only way to really know what's going on would be to go and see for yourself. It would be a sure sign of 'Big Society' if instead of inciting intolerance for such events, each of the millions of irate residents in the National Park (Devil's Dyke pub, Golf Course and other businesses all operate from within the National Park) overcame their e-rage and took a couple of bin bags to the site to hint at any clean up which the event organisers haven't yet begun. Imagine if that were to happen?
[quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: I would have kept it quiet loads of people will now head that way,people know police are rare even in city centres so there is nothing to stop these raves.Its the poor old wildlife that will be suffering most right in the middle of the breeding season.[/p][/quote]I completely agree regarding your sentiments for local wildlife, as the localised volume of the party might scare or deafen young animals ie foxes, badgers and birds, though probably no more than fireworks would. The noise from the site from 9am to 1pm and about half a mile away, was quieter than planes flying overhead and farm machinery. I am very sensitive to noise and even up close to the site, it wasn't anything to drive a sane person to distraction. Clubrob6, could you ask the "loads of people" to consider taking cold drinking water and bin bags with them? ;) I would imagine that those who are still at the site, are there because they have forgotten to leave or no longer have the energy to do so. They'll all be seriously dehydrated as it's really hot up there and if anything, taking them some cold water and bin bags would probably sort the majority of issues out. I would imagine that this article came about as a result of a couple of Saddlescombe residents ringing the Argus (based in Hampshire), who have no idea of any facts about the 'Free Party'. The biggest offense, in my opinion, is that being caused by people driving away from the site who have consumed too much LEGAL alcohol. The rest would be down to possession of class A/B drugs they forgot to snort, smoke or swallow, minor 'criminal damage' and trespassing. This is a matter for the Police to deal with, not irate farming hamlet dwellers. If it's facts you're after, the only way to really know what's going on would be to go and see for yourself. It would be a sure sign of 'Big Society' if instead of inciting intolerance for such events, each of the millions of irate residents in the National Park (Devil's Dyke pub, Golf Course and other businesses all operate from within the National Park) overcame their e-rage and took a couple of bin bags to the site to hint at any clean up which the event organisers haven't yet begun. Imagine if that were to happen? Freeman No.1
  • Score: 2

2:31pm Sun 25 May 14

Mr chock says...

clubrob6 wrote:
Freeman No.1 wrote:
Just returned from walking my dog near the site and there are around 200 people in various states of drug-fuelled disarray moping around like zombies as the bass throbs from various sound systems. The site is incapable of holding more than around 1,000 people and I doubt it ever got that busy. There are two Police cars near the Golf Course and one dog van down in Saddlescombe. Contrast that with what has been reported in the article above.
Here are my observations. The Police are most definitely NOT struggling to do anything at all, aside from whatever any undercover cops at the site may be doing and there are about three uniformed officers sitting in their cars who are probably updating Sussex Police's Twitter feed but not much else at the moment. 'Local residents' who could possibly be affected by the noise from the site number around fifty at the most and only then when the wind blows the sound in their direction. Saddlescombe, Poynings and Fulking would be the only places which could be affected by the noise.
For around an hour this morning (10-11am), the music from the Free Party could not be heard over the racket the Police Helicopter was making as it hovered and circled the site.
The tragic and entirely avoidable mess is a definite issue for the organisers and attendees, as is the lack of Police action on those who are sitting in cars which line and block the road near the site. Not only the site is strewn with litter and broken glass but also the roads surrounding the site. I didn't notice a single person who was not under the influence of drugs or alcohol and with the amount of cyclists and walkers around, drug/drunk drivers would be my immediate concern if I were a Police officer but it would take a concerted effort to block the roads while processing every driver which entered or left the area, so I cannot see how without a direct attack on drivers and those who are out of control would not result in creating more trouble to resolve.
I understand access to the site was gained by removing a locked gate and by cutting through a fence in three places but this was anecdotally stated to me by an irate resident who seemed to be against anything which they and their friends wouldn't do themselves and a definitely defensive attitude prevailed.
So to the facts. Free Parties in fields are nothing new and i'm old enough to remember the nastiness which the Police inflicted on those arriving at Stone Henge, resulting in 'The Battle of the Beanfield'. Thankfully, times have changed and if all the damage being done is to a gate and a fence, fine the organisers or get them to repair it and to pay for any clean-up needed.
You should get a reporters job so we can get facts,but like the police the argus reporters are probably on holiday with it being a bank holiday.
i agree fully the reporting of this story is a bit sensationalized i could hear the sound of music but its just become normal background buzz in brightons noisey city
[quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Freeman No.1[/bold] wrote: Just returned from walking my dog near the site and there are around 200 people in various states of drug-fuelled disarray moping around like zombies as the bass throbs from various sound systems. The site is incapable of holding more than around 1,000 people and I doubt it ever got that busy. There are two Police cars near the Golf Course and one dog van down in Saddlescombe. Contrast that with what has been reported in the article above. Here are my observations. The Police are most definitely NOT struggling to do anything at all, aside from whatever any undercover cops at the site may be doing and there are about three uniformed officers sitting in their cars who are probably updating Sussex Police's Twitter feed but not much else at the moment. 'Local residents' who could possibly be affected by the noise from the site number around fifty at the most and only then when the wind blows the sound in their direction. Saddlescombe, Poynings and Fulking would be the only places which could be affected by the noise. For around an hour this morning (10-11am), the music from the Free Party could not be heard over the racket the Police Helicopter was making as it hovered and circled the site. The tragic and entirely avoidable mess is a definite issue for the organisers and attendees, as is the lack of Police action on those who are sitting in cars which line and block the road near the site. Not only the site is strewn with litter and broken glass but also the roads surrounding the site. I didn't notice a single person who was not under the influence of drugs or alcohol and with the amount of cyclists and walkers around, drug/drunk drivers would be my immediate concern if I were a Police officer but it would take a concerted effort to block the roads while processing every driver which entered or left the area, so I cannot see how without a direct attack on drivers and those who are out of control would not result in creating more trouble to resolve. I understand access to the site was gained by removing a locked gate and by cutting through a fence in three places but this was anecdotally stated to me by an irate resident who seemed to be against anything which they and their friends wouldn't do themselves and a definitely defensive attitude prevailed. So to the facts. Free Parties in fields are nothing new and i'm old enough to remember the nastiness which the Police inflicted on those arriving at Stone Henge, resulting in 'The Battle of the Beanfield'. Thankfully, times have changed and if all the damage being done is to a gate and a fence, fine the organisers or get them to repair it and to pay for any clean-up needed.[/p][/quote]You should get a reporters job so we can get facts,but like the police the argus reporters are probably on holiday with it being a bank holiday.[/p][/quote]i agree fully the reporting of this story is a bit sensationalized i could hear the sound of music but its just become normal background buzz in brightons noisey city Mr chock
  • Score: 2

2:44pm Sun 25 May 14

Freeman No.1 says...

binbag wrote:
It's so loud. I live in Poynings, woke me up at 1.45 and it's still going now. Ten years ago I'd have gone and joined them. It's kept me awake nearly all night so I might as well have! Surely the police now just seize equipment or force them to turn it off, and everyone goes home? It's been going on 12 hours now. They'd better stop it before tonight, I need sleep....
I was present at a free party some years ago (http://news.bbc.co.
uk/1/hi/uk/1327950.s
tm) where the Police intervened and it cost them several vehicles, one of them was a dog unit which was flipped into a field. This happened because they ejected a group of people who were nothing to do with the party from a field nearby. Needless to say that both events were conflated and the group of about 100 people who had recently watched an amazing sunrise took the brunt of the blame for it, despite offering to help flip and recover the Police car which had been damaged.

The course of action you are suggesting would lead to an exodus of completely zonked people and cause them to have to relocate via roads currently being used by fairweather bicycle owners and other motorists. I would say that a far safer way to handle this would be to stop vehicles as they reach a safe distance from the site, check vehicle details and breathalise the drivers to ensure safety; safety being the priority, or so i'm continually told...
[quote][p][bold]binbag[/bold] wrote: It's so loud. I live in Poynings, woke me up at 1.45 and it's still going now. Ten years ago I'd have gone and joined them. It's kept me awake nearly all night so I might as well have! Surely the police now just seize equipment or force them to turn it off, and everyone goes home? It's been going on 12 hours now. They'd better stop it before tonight, I need sleep....[/p][/quote]I was present at a free party some years ago (http://news.bbc.co. uk/1/hi/uk/1327950.s tm) where the Police intervened and it cost them several vehicles, one of them was a dog unit which was flipped into a field. This happened because they ejected a group of people who were nothing to do with the party from a field nearby. Needless to say that both events were conflated and the group of about 100 people who had recently watched an amazing sunrise took the brunt of the blame for it, despite offering to help flip and recover the Police car which had been damaged. The course of action you are suggesting would lead to an exodus of completely zonked people and cause them to have to relocate via roads currently being used by fairweather bicycle owners and other motorists. I would say that a far safer way to handle this would be to stop vehicles as they reach a safe distance from the site, check vehicle details and breathalise the drivers to ensure safety; safety being the priority, or so i'm continually told... Freeman No.1
  • Score: 7

3:22pm Sun 25 May 14

Freeman No.1 says...

The video (link below) was taken very close to the location of the reported party in the non-article above.

https://www.youtube.
com/watch?v=JyTfGW63
So0

This morning, I took a series of videos from a mile away and another from about half a mile away. Only when the wind blew in my direction could I hear any sounds from the site and even then they were totally drowned out by the procession of passenger and private planes flying overhead.

I would imagine that any unusual noises would disturb the silence of the countryside at night, especially as the cottages in the farm hamlet of Saddlescombe cannot be double glazed due to building restrictions.

If I had been tasked with choosing the site for the party, I would not have made it at the top of a hill (barely visible until very close as it's surrounded by trees) but down in one of the valleys, so as to prevent the sound from travelling.

Let's all hope the ravers get home safely.
The video (link below) was taken very close to the location of the reported party in the non-article above. https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=JyTfGW63 So0 This morning, I took a series of videos from a mile away and another from about half a mile away. Only when the wind blew in my direction could I hear any sounds from the site and even then they were totally drowned out by the procession of passenger and private planes flying overhead. I would imagine that any unusual noises would disturb the silence of the countryside at night, especially as the cottages in the farm hamlet of Saddlescombe cannot be double glazed due to building restrictions. If I had been tasked with choosing the site for the party, I would not have made it at the top of a hill (barely visible until very close as it's surrounded by trees) but down in one of the valleys, so as to prevent the sound from travelling. Let's all hope the ravers get home safely. Freeman No.1
  • Score: 0

3:57pm Sun 25 May 14

binbag says...

We'll it was loud enough here to keep me awake most of the night and that was with earplugs in. It varies due to the wind. Gets really loud, then quieter again. No we don't have double glazing and bedroom is in the roof.
We'll it was loud enough here to keep me awake most of the night and that was with earplugs in. It varies due to the wind. Gets really loud, then quieter again. No we don't have double glazing and bedroom is in the roof. binbag
  • Score: 8

4:06pm Sun 25 May 14

From beer to uncertainty says...

If they had hired some caravans then the council would have rushed up there with piles of our money to make them comfortable?
If they had hired some caravans then the council would have rushed up there with piles of our money to make them comfortable? From beer to uncertainty
  • Score: 17

4:11pm Sun 25 May 14

Frank28 says...

Protected areas seem to draw such events. Illegal raves like this means that there are no facilities for litter and human waste. The cost of the cleanup afterwards is never cheap, and it will have to be sealed off while any drug paraphernalia left behind is removed, for public safety.
Protected areas seem to draw such events. Illegal raves like this means that there are no facilities for litter and human waste. The cost of the cleanup afterwards is never cheap, and it will have to be sealed off while any drug paraphernalia left behind is removed, for public safety. Frank28
  • Score: 13

4:19pm Sun 25 May 14

sprinks says...

If it is an illegal gathering then the police need to stop this now, no sleep last night for I'll elderly man in poynings. These people as are selfish inconsiderate morons, use water cannons or bullets to disperse
If it is an illegal gathering then the police need to stop this now, no sleep last night for I'll elderly man in poynings. These people as are selfish inconsiderate morons, use water cannons or bullets to disperse sprinks
  • Score: -4

4:36pm Sun 25 May 14

Withdean-er says...

clubrob6 wrote:
Freeman No.1 wrote:
Just returned from walking my dog near the site and there are around 200 people in various states of drug-fuelled disarray moping around like zombies as the bass throbs from various sound systems. The site is incapable of holding more than around 1,000 people and I doubt it ever got that busy. There are two Police cars near the Golf Course and one dog van down in Saddlescombe. Contrast that with what has been reported in the article above.
Here are my observations. The Police are most definitely NOT struggling to do anything at all, aside from whatever any undercover cops at the site may be doing and there are about three uniformed officers sitting in their cars who are probably updating Sussex Police's Twitter feed but not much else at the moment. 'Local residents' who could possibly be affected by the noise from the site number around fifty at the most and only then when the wind blows the sound in their direction. Saddlescombe, Poynings and Fulking would be the only places which could be affected by the noise.
For around an hour this morning (10-11am), the music from the Free Party could not be heard over the racket the Police Helicopter was making as it hovered and circled the site.
The tragic and entirely avoidable mess is a definite issue for the organisers and attendees, as is the lack of Police action on those who are sitting in cars which line and block the road near the site. Not only the site is strewn with litter and broken glass but also the roads surrounding the site. I didn't notice a single person who was not under the influence of drugs or alcohol and with the amount of cyclists and walkers around, drug/drunk drivers would be my immediate concern if I were a Police officer but it would take a concerted effort to block the roads while processing every driver which entered or left the area, so I cannot see how without a direct attack on drivers and those who are out of control would not result in creating more trouble to resolve.
I understand access to the site was gained by removing a locked gate and by cutting through a fence in three places but this was anecdotally stated to me by an irate resident who seemed to be against anything which they and their friends wouldn't do themselves and a definitely defensive attitude prevailed.
So to the facts. Free Parties in fields are nothing new and i'm old enough to remember the nastiness which the Police inflicted on those arriving at Stone Henge, resulting in 'The Battle of the Beanfield'. Thankfully, times have changed and if all the damage being done is to a gate and a fence, fine the organisers or get them to repair it and to pay for any clean-up needed.
You should get a reporters job so we can get facts,but like the police the argus reporters are probably on holiday with it being a bank holiday.
Do the Argus actually have reporters, ready to attend live events/incidents 24-7? I guessed that had all ended many decades ago, as the paid circulation plummted to a fraction of past levels.
[quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Freeman No.1[/bold] wrote: Just returned from walking my dog near the site and there are around 200 people in various states of drug-fuelled disarray moping around like zombies as the bass throbs from various sound systems. The site is incapable of holding more than around 1,000 people and I doubt it ever got that busy. There are two Police cars near the Golf Course and one dog van down in Saddlescombe. Contrast that with what has been reported in the article above. Here are my observations. The Police are most definitely NOT struggling to do anything at all, aside from whatever any undercover cops at the site may be doing and there are about three uniformed officers sitting in their cars who are probably updating Sussex Police's Twitter feed but not much else at the moment. 'Local residents' who could possibly be affected by the noise from the site number around fifty at the most and only then when the wind blows the sound in their direction. Saddlescombe, Poynings and Fulking would be the only places which could be affected by the noise. For around an hour this morning (10-11am), the music from the Free Party could not be heard over the racket the Police Helicopter was making as it hovered and circled the site. The tragic and entirely avoidable mess is a definite issue for the organisers and attendees, as is the lack of Police action on those who are sitting in cars which line and block the road near the site. Not only the site is strewn with litter and broken glass but also the roads surrounding the site. I didn't notice a single person who was not under the influence of drugs or alcohol and with the amount of cyclists and walkers around, drug/drunk drivers would be my immediate concern if I were a Police officer but it would take a concerted effort to block the roads while processing every driver which entered or left the area, so I cannot see how without a direct attack on drivers and those who are out of control would not result in creating more trouble to resolve. I understand access to the site was gained by removing a locked gate and by cutting through a fence in three places but this was anecdotally stated to me by an irate resident who seemed to be against anything which they and their friends wouldn't do themselves and a definitely defensive attitude prevailed. So to the facts. Free Parties in fields are nothing new and i'm old enough to remember the nastiness which the Police inflicted on those arriving at Stone Henge, resulting in 'The Battle of the Beanfield'. Thankfully, times have changed and if all the damage being done is to a gate and a fence, fine the organisers or get them to repair it and to pay for any clean-up needed.[/p][/quote]You should get a reporters job so we can get facts,but like the police the argus reporters are probably on holiday with it being a bank holiday.[/p][/quote]Do the Argus actually have reporters, ready to attend live events/incidents 24-7? I guessed that had all ended many decades ago, as the paid circulation plummted to a fraction of past levels. Withdean-er
  • Score: 6

5:07pm Sun 25 May 14

esh lad says...

I feel really sorry for people living in the surrounding area,but even more sorry for the wildlife,especially at this time of the year,the person who suggested that they should have held the rave in the valley obviously hasn't a clue about the rare flowers,rare butterflies and other creatures that inhabit that special valley.
I despair at times for some peoples disregard for the feelings of their fellow men and creatures
I feel really sorry for people living in the surrounding area,but even more sorry for the wildlife,especially at this time of the year,the person who suggested that they should have held the rave in the valley obviously hasn't a clue about the rare flowers,rare butterflies and other creatures that inhabit that special valley. I despair at times for some peoples disregard for the feelings of their fellow men and creatures esh lad
  • Score: 8

7:18pm Sun 25 May 14

We love Red Billy says...

esh lad wrote:
I feel really sorry for people living in the surrounding area,but even more sorry for the wildlife,especially at this time of the year,the person who suggested that they should have held the rave in the valley obviously hasn't a clue about the rare flowers,rare butterflies and other creatures that inhabit that special valley.
I despair at times for some peoples disregard for the feelings of their fellow men and creatures
And I bet they all vote Green. You could not make it up Vote Gzunder.
[quote][p][bold]esh lad[/bold] wrote: I feel really sorry for people living in the surrounding area,but even more sorry for the wildlife,especially at this time of the year,the person who suggested that they should have held the rave in the valley obviously hasn't a clue about the rare flowers,rare butterflies and other creatures that inhabit that special valley. I despair at times for some peoples disregard for the feelings of their fellow men and creatures[/p][/quote]And I bet they all vote Green. You could not make it up Vote Gzunder. We love Red Billy
  • Score: 0

10:50pm Sun 25 May 14

Roundbill says...

Withdean-er wrote:
clubrob6 wrote:
Freeman No.1 wrote:
Just returned from walking my dog near the site and there are around 200 people in various states of drug-fuelled disarray moping around like zombies as the bass throbs from various sound systems. The site is incapable of holding more than around 1,000 people and I doubt it ever got that busy. There are two Police cars near the Golf Course and one dog van down in Saddlescombe. Contrast that with what has been reported in the article above.
Here are my observations. The Police are most definitely NOT struggling to do anything at all, aside from whatever any undercover cops at the site may be doing and there are about three uniformed officers sitting in their cars who are probably updating Sussex Police's Twitter feed but not much else at the moment. 'Local residents' who could possibly be affected by the noise from the site number around fifty at the most and only then when the wind blows the sound in their direction. Saddlescombe, Poynings and Fulking would be the only places which could be affected by the noise.
For around an hour this morning (10-11am), the music from the Free Party could not be heard over the racket the Police Helicopter was making as it hovered and circled the site.
The tragic and entirely avoidable mess is a definite issue for the organisers and attendees, as is the lack of Police action on those who are sitting in cars which line and block the road near the site. Not only the site is strewn with litter and broken glass but also the roads surrounding the site. I didn't notice a single person who was not under the influence of drugs or alcohol and with the amount of cyclists and walkers around, drug/drunk drivers would be my immediate concern if I were a Police officer but it would take a concerted effort to block the roads while processing every driver which entered or left the area, so I cannot see how without a direct attack on drivers and those who are out of control would not result in creating more trouble to resolve.
I understand access to the site was gained by removing a locked gate and by cutting through a fence in three places but this was anecdotally stated to me by an irate resident who seemed to be against anything which they and their friends wouldn't do themselves and a definitely defensive attitude prevailed.
So to the facts. Free Parties in fields are nothing new and i'm old enough to remember the nastiness which the Police inflicted on those arriving at Stone Henge, resulting in 'The Battle of the Beanfield'. Thankfully, times have changed and if all the damage being done is to a gate and a fence, fine the organisers or get them to repair it and to pay for any clean-up needed.
You should get a reporters job so we can get facts,but like the police the argus reporters are probably on holiday with it being a bank holiday.
Do the Argus actually have reporters, ready to attend live events/incidents 24-7? I guessed that had all ended many decades ago, as the paid circulation plummted to a fraction of past levels.
I'm surprised you even ask: the Argus stopped having paid journalists several years ago. These days, all the "reporting" (if you can call it that) is done by undergraduate interns whom Newsquest charges for the privilege of seeing their work published.
[quote][p][bold]Withdean-er[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Freeman No.1[/bold] wrote: Just returned from walking my dog near the site and there are around 200 people in various states of drug-fuelled disarray moping around like zombies as the bass throbs from various sound systems. The site is incapable of holding more than around 1,000 people and I doubt it ever got that busy. There are two Police cars near the Golf Course and one dog van down in Saddlescombe. Contrast that with what has been reported in the article above. Here are my observations. The Police are most definitely NOT struggling to do anything at all, aside from whatever any undercover cops at the site may be doing and there are about three uniformed officers sitting in their cars who are probably updating Sussex Police's Twitter feed but not much else at the moment. 'Local residents' who could possibly be affected by the noise from the site number around fifty at the most and only then when the wind blows the sound in their direction. Saddlescombe, Poynings and Fulking would be the only places which could be affected by the noise. For around an hour this morning (10-11am), the music from the Free Party could not be heard over the racket the Police Helicopter was making as it hovered and circled the site. The tragic and entirely avoidable mess is a definite issue for the organisers and attendees, as is the lack of Police action on those who are sitting in cars which line and block the road near the site. Not only the site is strewn with litter and broken glass but also the roads surrounding the site. I didn't notice a single person who was not under the influence of drugs or alcohol and with the amount of cyclists and walkers around, drug/drunk drivers would be my immediate concern if I were a Police officer but it would take a concerted effort to block the roads while processing every driver which entered or left the area, so I cannot see how without a direct attack on drivers and those who are out of control would not result in creating more trouble to resolve. I understand access to the site was gained by removing a locked gate and by cutting through a fence in three places but this was anecdotally stated to me by an irate resident who seemed to be against anything which they and their friends wouldn't do themselves and a definitely defensive attitude prevailed. So to the facts. Free Parties in fields are nothing new and i'm old enough to remember the nastiness which the Police inflicted on those arriving at Stone Henge, resulting in 'The Battle of the Beanfield'. Thankfully, times have changed and if all the damage being done is to a gate and a fence, fine the organisers or get them to repair it and to pay for any clean-up needed.[/p][/quote]You should get a reporters job so we can get facts,but like the police the argus reporters are probably on holiday with it being a bank holiday.[/p][/quote]Do the Argus actually have reporters, ready to attend live events/incidents 24-7? I guessed that had all ended many decades ago, as the paid circulation plummted to a fraction of past levels.[/p][/quote]I'm surprised you even ask: the Argus stopped having paid journalists several years ago. These days, all the "reporting" (if you can call it that) is done by undergraduate interns whom Newsquest charges for the privilege of seeing their work published. Roundbill
  • Score: 4

12:56am Mon 26 May 14

Northern immigrant says...

People whinging about things like this is indicative of the hypocrisy of the residents of this supposedly "liberal" part of the country. What about the illegal sexual activity that occurs up there on a nightly basis? Its ok to go dogging up there but you cant play music and dance? And the mess left on the beach after this weekend? I guess empty pinot grigio bottles and vegan burger wrappers from organic bbqs is ok too? Seriously, i've never lived in, nor been to, a more pretentious and hypocritical place in all my life.
People whinging about things like this is indicative of the hypocrisy of the residents of this supposedly "liberal" part of the country. What about the illegal sexual activity that occurs up there on a nightly basis? Its ok to go dogging up there but you cant play music and dance? And the mess left on the beach after this weekend? I guess empty pinot grigio bottles and vegan burger wrappers from organic bbqs is ok too? Seriously, i've never lived in, nor been to, a more pretentious and hypocritical place in all my life. Northern immigrant
  • Score: 1

1:20am Mon 26 May 14

Northern immigrant says...

sprinks wrote:
If it is an illegal gathering then the police need to stop this now, no sleep last night for I'll elderly man in poynings. These people as are selfish inconsiderate morons, use water cannons or bullets to disperse
Case in point. And I suppose if that doesn't work, we should round them up and send them off to concentration camps for being such master criminals and enemies of the state?
[quote][p][bold]sprinks[/bold] wrote: If it is an illegal gathering then the police need to stop this now, no sleep last night for I'll elderly man in poynings. These people as are selfish inconsiderate morons, use water cannons or bullets to disperse[/p][/quote]Case in point. And I suppose if that doesn't work, we should round them up and send them off to concentration camps for being such master criminals and enemies of the state? Northern immigrant
  • Score: 0

1:25am Mon 26 May 14

whatevernext2013 says...

Northern immigrant wrote:
People whinging about things like this is indicative of the hypocrisy of the residents of this supposedly "liberal" part of the country. What about the illegal sexual activity that occurs up there on a nightly basis? Its ok to go dogging up there but you cant play music and dance? And the mess left on the beach after this weekend? I guess empty pinot grigio bottles and vegan burger wrappers from organic bbqs is ok too? Seriously, i've never lived in, nor been to, a more pretentious and hypocritical place in all my life.
well if you hate it that much you could always move back up north
[quote][p][bold]Northern immigrant[/bold] wrote: People whinging about things like this is indicative of the hypocrisy of the residents of this supposedly "liberal" part of the country. What about the illegal sexual activity that occurs up there on a nightly basis? Its ok to go dogging up there but you cant play music and dance? And the mess left on the beach after this weekend? I guess empty pinot grigio bottles and vegan burger wrappers from organic bbqs is ok too? Seriously, i've never lived in, nor been to, a more pretentious and hypocritical place in all my life.[/p][/quote]well if you hate it that much you could always move back up north whatevernext2013
  • Score: 0

2:28am Mon 26 May 14

Northern immigrant says...

whatevernext2013 wrote:
Northern immigrant wrote:
People whinging about things like this is indicative of the hypocrisy of the residents of this supposedly "liberal" part of the country. What about the illegal sexual activity that occurs up there on a nightly basis? Its ok to go dogging up there but you cant play music and dance? And the mess left on the beach after this weekend? I guess empty pinot grigio bottles and vegan burger wrappers from organic bbqs is ok too? Seriously, i've never lived in, nor been to, a more pretentious and hypocritical place in all my life.
well if you hate it that much you could always move back up north
Again, case in point. Another tolerant post from a multiculturist member of this diverse and liberal area. What if i was an immigrant from Darfur, Zimbabwe oe even Poland( heaven forbid)? Would you say I could always move back there? I guess you wont be at the Big Beach Clean up on Tuesday, too busy up Devils Dyke with a binbag and a litterpicker? I guess i'll never know.
[quote][p][bold]whatevernext2013[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Northern immigrant[/bold] wrote: People whinging about things like this is indicative of the hypocrisy of the residents of this supposedly "liberal" part of the country. What about the illegal sexual activity that occurs up there on a nightly basis? Its ok to go dogging up there but you cant play music and dance? And the mess left on the beach after this weekend? I guess empty pinot grigio bottles and vegan burger wrappers from organic bbqs is ok too? Seriously, i've never lived in, nor been to, a more pretentious and hypocritical place in all my life.[/p][/quote]well if you hate it that much you could always move back up north[/p][/quote]Again, case in point. Another tolerant post from a multiculturist member of this diverse and liberal area. What if i was an immigrant from Darfur, Zimbabwe oe even Poland( heaven forbid)? Would you say I could always move back there? I guess you wont be at the Big Beach Clean up on Tuesday, too busy up Devils Dyke with a binbag and a litterpicker? I guess i'll never know. Northern immigrant
  • Score: 3

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