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Brighton Bathing Pavilion plans collapse

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Plans for a multi-million pound luxury beach resort in Brighton have collapsed after a developer claimed it was “impossible to advance commercially”.

Australian firm Karma Royal Group was chosen as the preferred developer of the former Peter Pan playground site off of Madeira Drive in 2012.

The Brighton Bathing Pavilion was set to transform the derelict land into a £5 million spa complex.

The council said the development would create 300 jobs and inject £10 million a year into the economy.

But Karma has now pulled out accusing the council of imposing “detrimental” lease terms.

John Spence, Karma chairman and CEO, said: “Unfortunately, we have deemed the lease terms being imposed upon us for this project to be highly detrimental to its viability and we feel it is impossible to advance commercially under these conditions.

“We have made extensive efforts to compromise and have invested significant resources toward the project with a view to its importance, not only to us, but to the people and visitors to the city of Brighton and Hove and the historic seafront precinct.”

The resort was supposed to include five pavilions with a children’s club, a year-round spa and health centre, a beach club and restaurant, an outdoor swimming and bathing area and a members’ club with a library.

But the council said Karma had only committed to building a restaurant and was unable to agree standard commercial terms.

Councillor Geoffrey Bowden, chairman of the economic development and culture committee at Brighton and Hove City Council, said: “Brighton and Hove City Council appointed Karma back in 2012 based on its apparent commitment to complete a comprehensive development of the site.

“This followed an extensive market-testing process, which brought forward a number of interesting and viable proposals. The council selected Karma based on its exciting concepts and has been patiently working with them ever since.

“In practice however, all it was prepared to commit to building was the restaurant, which quite simply fell well short of the comprehensive leisure scheme which was the basis for Karma’s appointment.

“Mr Spence’s vision will only be realised if he is prepared to accept standard commercial terms on this or any other site.”

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6:20am Thu 29 May 14

PorkyChopper says...

John Spence, practice that handshake and try again in a year.
John Spence, practice that handshake and try again in a year. PorkyChopper
  • Score: 4

7:00am Thu 29 May 14

We love Red Billy says...

To many vested interests in building the Kitcat - Theobold memorial erection, sorry the i360. Politicians in this city deserve to be gzundered.
To many vested interests in building the Kitcat - Theobold memorial erection, sorry the i360. Politicians in this city deserve to be gzundered. We love Red Billy
  • Score: 8

7:25am Thu 29 May 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

Why are there lots of shops and restaurants closed and boarded up on the Madeira Terraces?
Why are there lots of shops and restaurants closed and boarded up on the Madeira Terraces? Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: 18

7:39am Thu 29 May 14

spa301 says...

Yet another project that come to nothing.
Yet another project that come to nothing. spa301
  • Score: 13

8:21am Thu 29 May 14

Eugenius says...

I haven't been following this one closely but if the developer that won the tender promised to build "a children’s club, a year-round spa and health centre, a beach club and restaurant, an outdoor swimming and bathing area and a library" and now will only commit to building (yet another) restaurant then the council is **** right to hold out for the terms which were originally agreed, even if it means re-opening the tender.
I haven't been following this one closely but if the developer that won the tender promised to build "a children’s club, a year-round spa and health centre, a beach club and restaurant, an outdoor swimming and bathing area and a library" and now will only commit to building (yet another) restaurant then the council is **** right to hold out for the terms which were originally agreed, even if it means re-opening the tender. Eugenius
  • Score: 6

8:58am Thu 29 May 14

spa301 says...

Obviously without knowing any of the negotiation details, it seems to me highly unlikely that a very successful International hotel and leisure company simply wanted to build a restaurant in such a unlikely location. What would be the sense in that?
I hope this failed project wasn't caused by council intransigence and short sightedness. Lord knows Brighton needs all the investment it can get. This potential development would have been far more of an long term asset than the i360 and may well have promoted the re birth of this neglected and crumbling part of the seafront.
Obviously without knowing any of the negotiation details, it seems to me highly unlikely that a very successful International hotel and leisure company simply wanted to build a restaurant in such a unlikely location. What would be the sense in that? I hope this failed project wasn't caused by council intransigence and short sightedness. Lord knows Brighton needs all the investment it can get. This potential development would have been far more of an long term asset than the i360 and may well have promoted the re birth of this neglected and crumbling part of the seafront. spa301
  • Score: 6

9:44am Thu 29 May 14

Goldenwight says...

"Plans for a multi-million pound luxury beach resort in Brighton have collapsed after a developer claimed it was “impossible to advance commercially”.

And the iSore IS possible to advance commercially? And when I say 'commercially' I mean 'without regular multi-million pound investments of public money'?
"Plans for a multi-million pound luxury beach resort in Brighton have collapsed after a developer claimed it was “impossible to advance commercially”. And the iSore IS possible to advance commercially? And when I say 'commercially' I mean 'without regular multi-million pound investments of public money'? Goldenwight
  • Score: 9

9:56am Thu 29 May 14

Eugenius says...

Goldenwight wrote:
"Plans for a multi-million pound luxury beach resort in Brighton have collapsed after a developer claimed it was “impossible to advance commercially”.

And the iSore IS possible to advance commercially? And when I say 'commercially' I mean 'without regular multi-million pound investments of public money'?
Yes, the lengths that the council went to to scrutinise the business case and risks of the Public Works Board Loan for i360 went above and beyond the call of duty. If the council's Head of Finance and her Strategic Accountants are recommending it as a good long-term investment for the city then that says something; these people are not natural risk takers.
[quote][p][bold]Goldenwight[/bold] wrote: "Plans for a multi-million pound luxury beach resort in Brighton have collapsed after a developer claimed it was “impossible to advance commercially”. And the iSore IS possible to advance commercially? And when I say 'commercially' I mean 'without regular multi-million pound investments of public money'?[/p][/quote]Yes, the lengths that the council went to to scrutinise the business case and risks of the Public Works Board Loan for i360 went above and beyond the call of duty. If the council's Head of Finance and her Strategic Accountants are recommending it as a good long-term investment for the city then that says something; these people are not natural risk takers. Eugenius
  • Score: -6

10:19am Thu 29 May 14

spa301 says...

Eugenius wrote:
Goldenwight wrote:
"Plans for a multi-million pound luxury beach resort in Brighton have collapsed after a developer claimed it was “impossible to advance commercially”.

And the iSore IS possible to advance commercially? And when I say 'commercially' I mean 'without regular multi-million pound investments of public money'?
Yes, the lengths that the council went to to scrutinise the business case and risks of the Public Works Board Loan for i360 went above and beyond the call of duty. If the council's Head of Finance and her Strategic Accountants are recommending it as a good long-term investment for the city then that says something; these people are not natural risk takers.
Maybe not natural risk takers but definitely idiots.
[quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Goldenwight[/bold] wrote: "Plans for a multi-million pound luxury beach resort in Brighton have collapsed after a developer claimed it was “impossible to advance commercially”. And the iSore IS possible to advance commercially? And when I say 'commercially' I mean 'without regular multi-million pound investments of public money'?[/p][/quote]Yes, the lengths that the council went to to scrutinise the business case and risks of the Public Works Board Loan for i360 went above and beyond the call of duty. If the council's Head of Finance and her Strategic Accountants are recommending it as a good long-term investment for the city then that says something; these people are not natural risk takers.[/p][/quote]Maybe not natural risk takers but definitely idiots. spa301
  • Score: 6

12:23pm Thu 29 May 14

Joshiman says...

Wait until next May.No worries.
Wait until next May.No worries. Joshiman
  • Score: 4

1:04pm Thu 29 May 14

Fairfax Aches says...

The greens continue their Kamikaze approach whilst Brighton and Hove continues to spiral into a pit of dilapidation and decay. The seafront is now a decrepid shodden waste heap. Lets see how much more they see fit to ruin in their remaining tenure.
The greens continue their Kamikaze approach whilst Brighton and Hove continues to spiral into a pit of dilapidation and decay. The seafront is now a decrepid shodden waste heap. Lets see how much more they see fit to ruin in their remaining tenure. Fairfax Aches
  • Score: 4

1:09pm Thu 29 May 14

Martha Gunn says...

What a surprise!
Of course the proposal has collapsed.

But Eugenius only the naive incompetent Green Party could have agreed to it in the first place.

Roll on 2015.
Onwards and upwards to decent and honest government in our city.
What a surprise! Of course the proposal has collapsed. But Eugenius only the naive incompetent Green Party could have agreed to it in the first place. Roll on 2015. Onwards and upwards to decent and honest government in our city. Martha Gunn
  • Score: 12

6:19pm Thu 29 May 14

PorkyChopper says...

Eugenius wrote:
Goldenwight wrote:
"Plans for a multi-million pound luxury beach resort in Brighton have collapsed after a developer claimed it was “impossible to advance commercially”.

And the iSore IS possible to advance commercially? And when I say 'commercially' I mean 'without regular multi-million pound investments of public money'?
Yes, the lengths that the council went to to scrutinise the business case and risks of the Public Works Board Loan for i360 went above and beyond the call of duty. If the council's Head of Finance and her Strategic Accountants are recommending it as a good long-term investment for the city then that says something; these people are not natural risk takers.
Please rearrange this anagram into a well known saying. SLOBLOCK.
[quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Goldenwight[/bold] wrote: "Plans for a multi-million pound luxury beach resort in Brighton have collapsed after a developer claimed it was “impossible to advance commercially”. And the iSore IS possible to advance commercially? And when I say 'commercially' I mean 'without regular multi-million pound investments of public money'?[/p][/quote]Yes, the lengths that the council went to to scrutinise the business case and risks of the Public Works Board Loan for i360 went above and beyond the call of duty. If the council's Head of Finance and her Strategic Accountants are recommending it as a good long-term investment for the city then that says something; these people are not natural risk takers.[/p][/quote]Please rearrange this anagram into a well known saying. SLOBLOCK. PorkyChopper
  • Score: 0

6:26pm Thu 29 May 14

PorkyChopper says...

Eugenius wrote:
Goldenwight wrote:
"Plans for a multi-million pound luxury beach resort in Brighton have collapsed after a developer claimed it was “impossible to advance commercially”.

And the iSore IS possible to advance commercially? And when I say 'commercially' I mean 'without regular multi-million pound investments of public money'?
Yes, the lengths that the council went to to scrutinise the business case and risks of the Public Works Board Loan for i360 went above and beyond the call of duty. If the council's Head of Finance and her Strategic Accountants are recommending it as a good long-term investment for the city then that says something; these people are not natural risk takers.
Maybe they take something else instead of risks? Fat brown envelopes? Just my opinion, there is no evidence for this, of course. We're all allowed opinions.
[quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Goldenwight[/bold] wrote: "Plans for a multi-million pound luxury beach resort in Brighton have collapsed after a developer claimed it was “impossible to advance commercially”. And the iSore IS possible to advance commercially? And when I say 'commercially' I mean 'without regular multi-million pound investments of public money'?[/p][/quote]Yes, the lengths that the council went to to scrutinise the business case and risks of the Public Works Board Loan for i360 went above and beyond the call of duty. If the council's Head of Finance and her Strategic Accountants are recommending it as a good long-term investment for the city then that says something; these people are not natural risk takers.[/p][/quote]Maybe they take something else instead of risks? Fat brown envelopes? Just my opinion, there is no evidence for this, of course. We're all allowed opinions. PorkyChopper
  • Score: 2

7:35pm Thu 29 May 14

Warren Morgan says...

Very disappointing - this is on the edge of my ward and although we had some doubts we backed this as it would have brought much needed investment to Madeira Drive. The first I knew about it falling through was seeing this in the Argus this morning, which says all you need to know about the Green Administration. We need investment across the whole city and along the length of the seafront, not just in the city centre. And if it needs repeating again, I did not vote for the i360.
Very disappointing - this is on the edge of my ward and although we had some doubts we backed this as it would have brought much needed investment to Madeira Drive. The first I knew about it falling through was seeing this in the Argus this morning, which says all you need to know about the Green Administration. We need investment across the whole city and along the length of the seafront, not just in the city centre. And if it needs repeating again, I did not vote for the i360. Warren Morgan
  • Score: 2

9:23pm Thu 29 May 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

With regards to the i360.....not natural risk takers with their own money or when a penalty for failure sits with the individual. Risking public money and moving on is much easier in the public sector.
With regards to this development, it seems as if more recent economic developments in the city has seen off the project.
The whole area is falling into dereliction. It would like expecting to arrive at the savoy and ending up in the Bronx.
With regards to the i360.....not natural risk takers with their own money or when a penalty for failure sits with the individual. Risking public money and moving on is much easier in the public sector. With regards to this development, it seems as if more recent economic developments in the city has seen off the project. The whole area is falling into dereliction. It would like expecting to arrive at the savoy and ending up in the Bronx. Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: 1

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