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Gambler banned from bookies for winning too much

The Argus: John Harrison, (holding letter) outside William Hill bookmakers in London Road, Brighton, with his friends John Harrison, (holding letter) outside William Hill bookmakers in London Road, Brighton, with his friends

A GAMBLER claims he has been banned from a high street bookmakers because he wins too much.

John Harrison, 56, of Canfield Road, Brighton, received a letter from William Hill asking him not to return to any of the firm’s shops across the country.

Mr Harrison believes he received the letter, titled Trading Review Notice, because he has proven to be a profitable punter at the company’s London Road branch in Brighton.

He said: “I used to be a mug gambler, giving away my wages every week. But it’s only since I’ve become good at what I do on horses and dogs that I’ve been told I’m not allowed back in the shop.

“They don’t want winners. I’ve done nothing wrong apart from showing a consistent level of profit through my betting and they don’t like that.”

The letter, sent on May 19, said the firm “no longer wishes to accept” Mr Harrison’s bets following a “review of trading arrangements”.

It continues: “In the event that you succeed in gambling with us, we reserve the right to make any such bet void.”

A spokesman from William Hill said Mr Harrison was not banned because he showed a profit, but for “other reasons” they declined to reveal.

Mr Harrison, who claims he gambles professionally, said: “There are no other reasons other than they don’t want winning customers. I don’t play with huge stakes.

“But even when I try and put £50 on a horse in the shop they have to call up their traders and check it’s OK.

“They come back and then tell me I can only have £2 or something silly. But now I’ve been banned entirely.”

Mr Harrison said bookmaker’s shops had “now become arcades” and bookmakers preferred people playing virtual roulette on Fixed Odd Betting Terminal (FOBT) machines instead.

He added: “That’s why they don’t take bets anymore. They’d rather people waste their wages on the machines than take normal bets on the football, horses or dogs”.

Matt Zarb-Cousin, of the Campaign for Fairer Gambling, said: “Betting used to be the punter versus the bookie, but now bookmakers are fixated on FOBTs: fixed margin casino machines where, in the long run, the house always wins.

“They don’t want anyone gambling with them who has a chance of even breaking even – let alone winning – which is why they place restrictions on over the counter bets, or ban winning customers.

“Under law gambling has to be fair and open, but the truth about how bookmakers operate today has been withheld from politicians for too long.”

A spokesman from William Hill said: “It’s nothing to do with showing profit. Mr Harrison and his friends are not the type of people we want in our shops.”

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8:50am Mon 2 Jun 14

Jetsamandflotsam says...

I bet theres more to this than meets the eye.
I bet theres more to this than meets the eye. Jetsamandflotsam
  • Score: 54

9:12am Mon 2 Jun 14

scuba1 says...

Any chance of a few tips john Harrison ... Pleeease ?!!
Any chance of a few tips john Harrison ... Pleeease ?!! scuba1
  • Score: 18

9:22am Mon 2 Jun 14

Max Ripple says...

scuba1 wrote:
Any chance of a few tips john Harrison ... Pleeease ?!!
People "like Mr Harrison" ie. WINNERS. Close these shops down. Now.
[quote][p][bold]scuba1[/bold] wrote: Any chance of a few tips john Harrison ... Pleeease ?!![/p][/quote]People "like Mr Harrison" ie. WINNERS. Close these shops down. Now. Max Ripple
  • Score: 7

9:35am Mon 2 Jun 14

Cory and Trevor says...

I can't get more than a few bob on football matches with several firms just because i've consistently returned a modest profit. Mr Harrison's story is consistent with mine and many other people's.

Can't believe readers' comments above call Mr H's character into question. The story exposes how snide these firms are - they're not bookies any more, they're betting companies, and the machines are daylight robbery, albeit legal. Despicable organisations.
I can't get more than a few bob on football matches with several firms just because i've consistently returned a modest profit. Mr Harrison's story is consistent with mine and many other people's. Can't believe readers' comments above call Mr H's character into question. The story exposes how snide these firms are - they're not bookies any more, they're betting companies, and the machines are daylight robbery, albeit legal. Despicable organisations. Cory and Trevor
  • Score: 40

10:06am Mon 2 Jun 14

Quiterie says...

Surely it isn't legal to ban someone from your shop, at least without giving them a good reason (which this letter doesn't). There are equality laws that cover this kind of thing aren't there?
Surely it isn't legal to ban someone from your shop, at least without giving them a good reason (which this letter doesn't). There are equality laws that cover this kind of thing aren't there? Quiterie
  • Score: 8

10:24am Mon 2 Jun 14

Frank28 says...

Sounds a bit like discrimination to me.
Sounds a bit like discrimination to me. Frank28
  • Score: 2

10:27am Mon 2 Jun 14

TIMBURRY says...

Quiterie wrote:
Surely it isn't legal to ban someone from your shop, at least without giving them a good reason (which this letter doesn't). There are equality laws that cover this kind of thing aren't there?
Maybe they don't like him and his mates polictal views, the bookies have got a lot of new overseas customers who they don't want upsetting. Bookies are like pubs you only need one or two customers who cause a few problems to scare people off... Since when has a dole cheque been called wages.
[quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: Surely it isn't legal to ban someone from your shop, at least without giving them a good reason (which this letter doesn't). There are equality laws that cover this kind of thing aren't there?[/p][/quote]Maybe they don't like him and his mates polictal views, the bookies have got a lot of new overseas customers who they don't want upsetting. Bookies are like pubs you only need one or two customers who cause a few problems to scare people off... Since when has a dole cheque been called wages. TIMBURRY
  • Score: -21

10:30am Mon 2 Jun 14

Fight_Back says...

Well done William Hill - nothing like making yourselves look complete prats !

So the letter doesn't say why Mr Harrison was banned and you refuse to tell the Argus or Mr Harrison ? So by logical deduction you have obviously banned him because he's won too much. If it were anything else you would say.

Kind of highlights what thieving criminals bookies really are.
Well done William Hill - nothing like making yourselves look complete prats ! So the letter doesn't say why Mr Harrison was banned and you refuse to tell the Argus or Mr Harrison ? So by logical deduction you have obviously banned him because he's won too much. If it were anything else you would say. Kind of highlights what thieving criminals bookies really are. Fight_Back
  • Score: 32

10:33am Mon 2 Jun 14

cookie_brighton says...

These bookmakers should be looked into.........a person can go into a bookmakers........pl
ay any of their, crack cocaine of gambling machines, he / she can put into a machine.....6, 7, 8, 9 hundred pounds, or more, of their money, yet the bookies limit the amount you can win to £500....so wrong.
These bookmakers should be looked into.........a person can go into a bookmakers........pl ay any of their, crack cocaine of gambling machines, he / she can put into a machine.....6, 7, 8, 9 hundred pounds, or more, of their money, yet the bookies limit the amount you can win to £500....so wrong. cookie_brighton
  • Score: 13

10:42am Mon 2 Jun 14

albion seagull says...

I was banned once from a certain chain of bookmakers for 6 months. With the letter L (don't want to give them free advertising) I returned a persistent profit on the FOBTs (gaming machines) Took over £3000 over 6 months and wasn't putting a great deal in them. They simply didn't like it and asked me not to return for 6 months.

Never been back since !
I was banned once from a certain chain of bookmakers for 6 months. With the letter L (don't want to give them free advertising) I returned a persistent profit on the FOBTs (gaming machines) Took over £3000 over 6 months and wasn't putting a great deal in them. They simply didn't like it and asked me not to return for 6 months. Never been back since ! albion seagull
  • Score: 6

10:43am Mon 2 Jun 14

SirColesy says...

I think Luke Cooper & Daniel Pumphrey look sexy in this photo
I think Luke Cooper & Daniel Pumphrey look sexy in this photo SirColesy
  • Score: -1

11:10am Mon 2 Jun 14

justice_speaks says...

its good to see someone make a stand against the bookies , i have experienced the same thing myself as soon as you start consistently winning you get refused bets at the counter and told you can only have 5 or 10 pounds on .. its time mp's stop people losing huge amounts on the FOBT machines .. take out these crack cocaine gambling machines which cause violence and anger and crime .. most of these crimes are not reported to the police as these companies do not want the authorities to know about it as it will look bad for them and cause something to be done. well done Mr Harrison for making a stand i hope others will stand with you and get action taken against the legal robbers called bookies. William Hill should be ashamed of this! it has shown themselves to underhand and do not care about people losing ..just people winning .
its good to see someone make a stand against the bookies , i have experienced the same thing myself as soon as you start consistently winning you get refused bets at the counter and told you can only have 5 or 10 pounds on .. its time mp's stop people losing huge amounts on the FOBT machines .. take out these crack cocaine gambling machines which cause violence and anger and crime .. most of these crimes are not reported to the police as these companies do not want the authorities to know about it as it will look bad for them and cause something to be done. well done Mr Harrison for making a stand i hope others will stand with you and get action taken against the legal robbers called bookies. William Hill should be ashamed of this! it has shown themselves to underhand and do not care about people losing ..just people winning . justice_speaks
  • Score: 19

11:46am Mon 2 Jun 14

Jetsamandflotsam says...

Gambling is a mugs game.
It does great harm to many, and only profits the very very few.
Should be banned
Gambling is a mugs game. It does great harm to many, and only profits the very very few. Should be banned Jetsamandflotsam
  • Score: 20

12:02pm Mon 2 Jun 14

John Steed says...

A spokesman from William Hill said: “It’s nothing to do with showing profit. Mr Harrison and his friends are not the type of people we want in our shops.” obviously they only want mug punters. William hill are same bunch that refused to pay out my winning bet on the last world cup final they claimed i made a full time bet, when I clearly stated as I staked that it was ultimate result, fulltime, extra time, penalty shoot out, toss of a coin, ultimate result, (it did not have FT on the ticket) I had no problem with bet fred in the semis. I punt derby and national thats normaly my lot the world cup was an octopus bet, but never with WH not that they will miss my business
A spokesman from William Hill said: “It’s nothing to do with showing profit. Mr Harrison and his friends are not the type of people we want in our shops.” obviously they only want mug punters. William hill are same bunch that refused to pay out my winning bet on the last world cup final they claimed i made a full time bet, when I clearly stated as I staked that it was ultimate result, fulltime, extra time, penalty shoot out, toss of a coin, ultimate result, (it did not have FT on the ticket) I had no problem with bet fred in the semis. I punt derby and national thats normaly my lot the world cup was an octopus bet, but never with WH not that they will miss my business John Steed
  • Score: 2

12:34pm Mon 2 Jun 14

nigel1 says...

So how much has he won?
So how much has he won? nigel1
  • Score: 0

12:36pm Mon 2 Jun 14

puddingandpi says...

I like the way WH insinuate that Mr. Harrison & his friends are too unsavoury to be welcome in their shops. *What*? Have they seen the people the FOBTs turn punters into? "Unsavoury" is the least of it!
I like the way WH insinuate that Mr. Harrison & his friends are too unsavoury to be welcome in their shops. *What*? Have they seen the people the FOBTs turn punters into? "Unsavoury" is the least of it! puddingandpi
  • Score: 7

1:18pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Fairfax Aches says...

Nice diverse friendly looking bunch of fellows there...sponsorship deal with the BNP perhaps?
Nice diverse friendly looking bunch of fellows there...sponsorship deal with the BNP perhaps? Fairfax Aches
  • Score: -30

1:23pm Mon 2 Jun 14

SirColesy says...

Fairfax Aches wrote:
Nice diverse friendly looking bunch of fellows there...sponsorship deal with the BNP perhaps?
Nothing like judging book by there covers eh? Lop
[quote][p][bold]Fairfax Aches[/bold] wrote: Nice diverse friendly looking bunch of fellows there...sponsorship deal with the BNP perhaps?[/p][/quote]Nothing like judging book by there covers eh? Lop SirColesy
  • Score: 12

1:48pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Cyril Bolleaux says...

Is that Tony Soprano at the back on the right? Is he muscling in on WH?
Is that Tony Soprano at the back on the right? Is he muscling in on WH? Cyril Bolleaux
  • Score: -3

1:48pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Legal1974 says...

I was astounded to see this as I am currently having a dispute with Grosvenor Online Casino at the moment. Having managed a modest return on the slots (I don't gamble high amounts), my partner and I decided to play Black Jack one evening. We were doing VERY well and then, surprise surprise, settlement of winning bets failed to materialise, bets were not taken, etc. etc. It turns out that they 'refunded' my stake and say that resolves the matter. Sorry, but it doesn't - I entered into a contract with them (offer and acceptance and all that) and they should honour their part of the contract. I didn't know that there was a 'Campaign for Fairer Gambling' but I'll be getting in touch with Mr Zarb-Cousin methinks, just for a little back-up. To be honest thought, Grosvenor have decided to take the wrong person for a pr**t and I will not stand down. They try to say that the law of Alderney (Malta, Guernsey - take your pick) applies but they fail to realise that as the contact has been made by electronic means, and I was in England at the time, it falls within the jurisdiction of England and Wales. F***ing idiots, trying it on. Now I've read this, I realise that they are just another bunch of thieving b***ards.

I wish Mr Harrison all the very best and applaud him for making a stand. Just one question though - why is somebody holding a piece of paper saying that he '...is innocent'. He hasn't been accused of anything has he so how can he be 'innocent'? Hopefully, he hasn't done anything wrong and it was just something written in haste for the photo opportunity!
I was astounded to see this as I am currently having a dispute with Grosvenor Online Casino at the moment. Having managed a modest return on the slots (I don't gamble high amounts), my partner and I decided to play Black Jack one evening. We were doing VERY well and then, surprise surprise, settlement of winning bets failed to materialise, bets were not taken, etc. etc. It turns out that they 'refunded' my stake and say that resolves the matter. Sorry, but it doesn't - I entered into a contract with them (offer and acceptance and all that) and they should honour their part of the contract. I didn't know that there was a 'Campaign for Fairer Gambling' but I'll be getting in touch with Mr Zarb-Cousin methinks, just for a little back-up. To be honest thought, Grosvenor have decided to take the wrong person for a pr**t and I will not stand down. They try to say that the law of Alderney (Malta, Guernsey - take your pick) applies but they fail to realise that as the contact has been made by electronic means, and I was in England at the time, it falls within the jurisdiction of England and Wales. F***ing idiots, trying it on. Now I've read this, I realise that they are just another bunch of thieving b***ards. I wish Mr Harrison all the very best and applaud him for making a stand. Just one question though - why is somebody holding a piece of paper saying that he '...is innocent'. He hasn't been accused of anything has he so how can he be 'innocent'? Hopefully, he hasn't done anything wrong and it was just something written in haste for the photo opportunity! Legal1974
  • Score: 10

1:56pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Sheil says...

Same old story.....my husband passed on now- bless him was closed down in the 70's 'cos he was too successful!
He worked out a very successful system on the horses & was considering going professional,but the Bookies prevented that!
Shame on them.....give everybody a fair chance I say!
Same old story.....my husband passed on now- bless him was closed down in the 70's 'cos he was too successful! He worked out a very successful system on the horses & was considering going professional,but the Bookies prevented that! Shame on them.....give everybody a fair chance I say! Sheil
  • Score: 5

2:09pm Mon 2 Jun 14

mangothecat says...

Legal1974 wrote:
I was astounded to see this as I am currently having a dispute with Grosvenor Online Casino at the moment. Having managed a modest return on the slots (I don't gamble high amounts), my partner and I decided to play Black Jack one evening. We were doing VERY well and then, surprise surprise, settlement of winning bets failed to materialise, bets were not taken, etc. etc. It turns out that they 'refunded' my stake and say that resolves the matter. Sorry, but it doesn't - I entered into a contract with them (offer and acceptance and all that) and they should honour their part of the contract. I didn't know that there was a 'Campaign for Fairer Gambling' but I'll be getting in touch with Mr Zarb-Cousin methinks, just for a little back-up. To be honest thought, Grosvenor have decided to take the wrong person for a pr**t and I will not stand down. They try to say that the law of Alderney (Malta, Guernsey - take your pick) applies but they fail to realise that as the contact has been made by electronic means, and I was in England at the time, it falls within the jurisdiction of England and Wales. F***ing idiots, trying it on. Now I've read this, I realise that they are just another bunch of thieving b***ards. I wish Mr Harrison all the very best and applaud him for making a stand. Just one question though - why is somebody holding a piece of paper saying that he '...is innocent'. He hasn't been accused of anything has he so how can he be 'innocent'? Hopefully, he hasn't done anything wrong and it was just something written in haste for the photo opportunity!
I had an issue with an online company, contact Alderney Gambling Commission and it was sorted within 24 hours - give them a go.

Most people that visit bookies on a regular basis seem to want FOBT's banned but who is listening?????

As bookies cluster their shops these days, Mr harrison will only have a 20 yard walk to get to a different chain of bookies that will let him in me thinks......
[quote][p][bold]Legal1974[/bold] wrote: I was astounded to see this as I am currently having a dispute with Grosvenor Online Casino at the moment. Having managed a modest return on the slots (I don't gamble high amounts), my partner and I decided to play Black Jack one evening. We were doing VERY well and then, surprise surprise, settlement of winning bets failed to materialise, bets were not taken, etc. etc. It turns out that they 'refunded' my stake and say that resolves the matter. Sorry, but it doesn't - I entered into a contract with them (offer and acceptance and all that) and they should honour their part of the contract. I didn't know that there was a 'Campaign for Fairer Gambling' but I'll be getting in touch with Mr Zarb-Cousin methinks, just for a little back-up. To be honest thought, Grosvenor have decided to take the wrong person for a pr**t and I will not stand down. They try to say that the law of Alderney (Malta, Guernsey - take your pick) applies but they fail to realise that as the contact has been made by electronic means, and I was in England at the time, it falls within the jurisdiction of England and Wales. F***ing idiots, trying it on. Now I've read this, I realise that they are just another bunch of thieving b***ards. I wish Mr Harrison all the very best and applaud him for making a stand. Just one question though - why is somebody holding a piece of paper saying that he '...is innocent'. He hasn't been accused of anything has he so how can he be 'innocent'? Hopefully, he hasn't done anything wrong and it was just something written in haste for the photo opportunity![/p][/quote]I had an issue with an online company, contact Alderney Gambling Commission and it was sorted within 24 hours - give them a go. Most people that visit bookies on a regular basis seem to want FOBT's banned but who is listening????? As bookies cluster their shops these days, Mr harrison will only have a 20 yard walk to get to a different chain of bookies that will let him in me thinks...... mangothecat
  • Score: 6

2:14pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Legal1974 says...

mangothecat wrote:
Legal1974 wrote: I was astounded to see this as I am currently having a dispute with Grosvenor Online Casino at the moment. Having managed a modest return on the slots (I don't gamble high amounts), my partner and I decided to play Black Jack one evening. We were doing VERY well and then, surprise surprise, settlement of winning bets failed to materialise, bets were not taken, etc. etc. It turns out that they 'refunded' my stake and say that resolves the matter. Sorry, but it doesn't - I entered into a contract with them (offer and acceptance and all that) and they should honour their part of the contract. I didn't know that there was a 'Campaign for Fairer Gambling' but I'll be getting in touch with Mr Zarb-Cousin methinks, just for a little back-up. To be honest thought, Grosvenor have decided to take the wrong person for a pr**t and I will not stand down. They try to say that the law of Alderney (Malta, Guernsey - take your pick) applies but they fail to realise that as the contact has been made by electronic means, and I was in England at the time, it falls within the jurisdiction of England and Wales. F***ing idiots, trying it on. Now I've read this, I realise that they are just another bunch of thieving b***ards. I wish Mr Harrison all the very best and applaud him for making a stand. Just one question though - why is somebody holding a piece of paper saying that he '...is innocent'. He hasn't been accused of anything has he so how can he be 'innocent'? Hopefully, he hasn't done anything wrong and it was just something written in haste for the photo opportunity!
I had an issue with an online company, contact Alderney Gambling Commission and it was sorted within 24 hours - give them a go. Most people that visit bookies on a regular basis seem to want FOBT's banned but who is listening????? As bookies cluster their shops these days, Mr harrison will only have a 20 yard walk to get to a different chain of bookies that will let him in me thinks......
I had read that they were the regulatory board but thought I would be able to sort it out with Grosvenor first (how wrong one can be). That's really good of you - thank you so much :)
[quote][p][bold]mangothecat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Legal1974[/bold] wrote: I was astounded to see this as I am currently having a dispute with Grosvenor Online Casino at the moment. Having managed a modest return on the slots (I don't gamble high amounts), my partner and I decided to play Black Jack one evening. We were doing VERY well and then, surprise surprise, settlement of winning bets failed to materialise, bets were not taken, etc. etc. It turns out that they 'refunded' my stake and say that resolves the matter. Sorry, but it doesn't - I entered into a contract with them (offer and acceptance and all that) and they should honour their part of the contract. I didn't know that there was a 'Campaign for Fairer Gambling' but I'll be getting in touch with Mr Zarb-Cousin methinks, just for a little back-up. To be honest thought, Grosvenor have decided to take the wrong person for a pr**t and I will not stand down. They try to say that the law of Alderney (Malta, Guernsey - take your pick) applies but they fail to realise that as the contact has been made by electronic means, and I was in England at the time, it falls within the jurisdiction of England and Wales. F***ing idiots, trying it on. Now I've read this, I realise that they are just another bunch of thieving b***ards. I wish Mr Harrison all the very best and applaud him for making a stand. Just one question though - why is somebody holding a piece of paper saying that he '...is innocent'. He hasn't been accused of anything has he so how can he be 'innocent'? Hopefully, he hasn't done anything wrong and it was just something written in haste for the photo opportunity![/p][/quote]I had an issue with an online company, contact Alderney Gambling Commission and it was sorted within 24 hours - give them a go. Most people that visit bookies on a regular basis seem to want FOBT's banned but who is listening????? As bookies cluster their shops these days, Mr harrison will only have a 20 yard walk to get to a different chain of bookies that will let him in me thinks......[/p][/quote]I had read that they were the regulatory board but thought I would be able to sort it out with Grosvenor first (how wrong one can be). That's really good of you - thank you so much :) Legal1974
  • Score: 9

2:35pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Joel'sGrandad says...

Not a betting man myself. Consider it a mug's game.
This story and others confirms in my mind that betting shops don't give punters a fair crack of the whip. How can you ban someone for winning too much.
No wonder places like Las Vegas are so opulent. Paid for by gambling losses.
Every time you watch footie on ITV you get betting ads at half time. Ask yourself, why? To relieve you of your hard earned cash that's why.
Good luck, John. I hope you fleece the bar stewards.
Not a betting man myself. Consider it a mug's game. This story and others confirms in my mind that betting shops don't give punters a fair crack of the whip. How can you ban someone for winning too much. No wonder places like Las Vegas are so opulent. Paid for by gambling losses. Every time you watch footie on ITV you get betting ads at half time. Ask yourself, why? To relieve you of your hard earned cash that's why. Good luck, John. I hope you fleece the bar stewards. Joel'sGrandad
  • Score: 7

4:42pm Mon 2 Jun 14

WKWWA. says...

I can't be bothered with betting shops myself. I bet over the phone with 5 different firms, ( NOT WILLIAM HILL who once placed a £200 bet using my bank details on a football match. I didn't know about it until my monthly statement arrived)

Seems to make sense to me that if you want a "decent bet" you need to spread it about a bit.

I know it's a mugs game, I'll probably go skint after 40 years of punting.

Just gotta know ya dogs!
I can't be bothered with betting shops myself. I bet over the phone with 5 different firms, ( NOT WILLIAM HILL who once placed a £200 bet using my bank details on a football match. I didn't know about it until my monthly statement arrived) Seems to make sense to me that if you want a "decent bet" you need to spread it about a bit. I know it's a mugs game, I'll probably go skint after 40 years of punting. Just gotta know ya dogs! WKWWA.
  • Score: 0

4:49pm Mon 2 Jun 14

SonnyJim55 says...

Where is Keyser Soze in this photo, can't see him??

I think there should be a campaign to Free the Brighton One from this shop ban...a bit like Free the Weatherfield One when Deidre got banged up due to the dodgy pilot. Could go all the way to the Houses of Parliament.
Where is Keyser Soze in this photo, can't see him?? I think there should be a campaign to Free the Brighton One from this shop ban...a bit like Free the Weatherfield One when Deidre got banged up due to the dodgy pilot. Could go all the way to the Houses of Parliament. SonnyJim55
  • Score: 3

7:32pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Fight_Back says...

It's also worth pointing out that William Hill are effectively based out of Gibraltar - that means they avoid paying HUGE amounts of tax to the UK government. Nice company this tax avoider !
It's also worth pointing out that William Hill are effectively based out of Gibraltar - that means they avoid paying HUGE amounts of tax to the UK government. Nice company this tax avoider ! Fight_Back
  • Score: 6

8:42pm Mon 2 Jun 14

hubby says...

They don't look like they are loaded to me.
Not exactly high rollers.
Spend your money on your wives and kids guys.
Gamling is a mugs game and always will be.
They don't look like they are loaded to me. Not exactly high rollers. Spend your money on your wives and kids guys. Gamling is a mugs game and always will be. hubby
  • Score: 7

8:50pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Fairfax Aches says...

Legal1974 wrote:
I was astounded to see this as I am currently having a dispute with Grosvenor Online Casino at the moment. Having managed a modest return on the slots (I don't gamble high amounts), my partner and I decided to play Black Jack one evening. We were doing VERY well and then, surprise surprise, settlement of winning bets failed to materialise, bets were not taken, etc. etc. It turns out that they 'refunded' my stake and say that resolves the matter. Sorry, but it doesn't - I entered into a contract with them (offer and acceptance and all that) and they should honour their part of the contract. I didn't know that there was a 'Campaign for Fairer Gambling' but I'll be getting in touch with Mr Zarb-Cousin methinks, just for a little back-up. To be honest thought, Grosvenor have decided to take the wrong person for a pr**t and I will not stand down. They try to say that the law of Alderney (Malta, Guernsey - take your pick) applies but they fail to realise that as the contact has been made by electronic means, and I was in England at the time, it falls within the jurisdiction of England and Wales. F***ing idiots, trying it on. Now I've read this, I realise that they are just another bunch of thieving b***ards. I wish Mr Harrison all the very best and applaud him for making a stand. Just one question though - why is somebody holding a piece of paper saying that he '...is innocent'. He hasn't been accused of anything has he so how can he be 'innocent'? Hopefully, he hasn't done anything wrong and it was just something written in haste for the photo opportunity!
have a snickers mate
[quote][p][bold]Legal1974[/bold] wrote: I was astounded to see this as I am currently having a dispute with Grosvenor Online Casino at the moment. Having managed a modest return on the slots (I don't gamble high amounts), my partner and I decided to play Black Jack one evening. We were doing VERY well and then, surprise surprise, settlement of winning bets failed to materialise, bets were not taken, etc. etc. It turns out that they 'refunded' my stake and say that resolves the matter. Sorry, but it doesn't - I entered into a contract with them (offer and acceptance and all that) and they should honour their part of the contract. I didn't know that there was a 'Campaign for Fairer Gambling' but I'll be getting in touch with Mr Zarb-Cousin methinks, just for a little back-up. To be honest thought, Grosvenor have decided to take the wrong person for a pr**t and I will not stand down. They try to say that the law of Alderney (Malta, Guernsey - take your pick) applies but they fail to realise that as the contact has been made by electronic means, and I was in England at the time, it falls within the jurisdiction of England and Wales. F***ing idiots, trying it on. Now I've read this, I realise that they are just another bunch of thieving b***ards. I wish Mr Harrison all the very best and applaud him for making a stand. Just one question though - why is somebody holding a piece of paper saying that he '...is innocent'. He hasn't been accused of anything has he so how can he be 'innocent'? Hopefully, he hasn't done anything wrong and it was just something written in haste for the photo opportunity![/p][/quote]have a snickers mate Fairfax Aches
  • Score: 0

11:34pm Mon 2 Jun 14

MooJuice says...

These guys are far from legitimate, especially Roger the Hove Dog Track bookie on the right ... This says it all:

A spokesman from William Hill said: “It’s nothing to do with showing profit. Mr Harrison and his friends are not the type of people we want in our shops.”
These guys are far from legitimate, especially Roger the Hove Dog Track bookie on the right ... This says it all: A spokesman from William Hill said: “It’s nothing to do with showing profit. Mr Harrison and his friends are not the type of people we want in our shops.” MooJuice
  • Score: 9

8:37am Tue 3 Jun 14

hoveguyactually says...

A spokesman from William Hill said: “It’s nothing to do with showing profit. Mr Harrison and his friends are not the type of people we want in our shops.”

What a pity they are not from an ethnic or minority group. Then they would be able to claim discrimination, and the company would be taken to court.
A spokesman from William Hill said: “It’s nothing to do with showing profit. Mr Harrison and his friends are not the type of people we want in our shops.” What a pity they are not from an ethnic or minority group. Then they would be able to claim discrimination, and the company would be taken to court. hoveguyactually
  • Score: 2

9:20am Tue 3 Jun 14

scuba1 says...

theArgusReader wrote:
as i am sure we all know the company has the right to refuse to take his money .. the only wonder i have is if his a homosexual will this have impact on the ban the argus can investigate this more do some research Argus Ben leo might find out more details for the next follow up
What on earth are you talking about ?
[quote][p][bold]theArgusReader[/bold] wrote: as i am sure we all know the company has the right to refuse to take his money .. the only wonder i have is if his a homosexual will this have impact on the ban the argus can investigate this more do some research Argus Ben leo might find out more details for the next follow up[/p][/quote]What on earth are you talking about ? scuba1
  • Score: 5

10:42am Tue 3 Jun 14

kajamix says...

The only way to solve this problem is to replace fixed odds betting with the tote.
In my opinion fixed odds betting is a relic. If we were back in the 19th century you might place a bet with me if I were to tell you "it's 5 to 2 mate" but not if I were to tell you "gimme your tenner and me and my boss are going to divide the money equitably".
But in modern times, we have electronic systems that can accomplish this task and also inform you about the fluctuations down to the last minute. We also have compliance authorities.
Some of you may not like this, but look what happened to poor mr. Harrisson and others. I 'm afraid with the fixed odds system, you are antagonising the operatorts themselves who may -as a result- cause you problems.

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The only way to solve this problem is to replace fixed odds betting with the tote. In my opinion fixed odds betting is a relic. If we were back in the 19th century you might place a bet with me if I were to tell you "it's 5 to 2 mate" but not if I were to tell you "gimme your tenner and me and my boss are going to divide the money equitably". But in modern times, we have electronic systems that can accomplish this task and also inform you about the fluctuations down to the last minute. We also have compliance authorities. Some of you may not like this, but look what happened to poor mr. Harrisson and others. I 'm afraid with the fixed odds system, you are antagonising the operatorts themselves who may -as a result- cause you problems. *** Under all circumstances, the companies should by law have the obligation to assist police in their enquiries about instances of foul play *** Join the fairbet community to make your voice heard by the authorities. http://www.facebook. com/fairbet Fairbet is against unfair taxation - prohibitionism and against all types of unfair practices. kajamix
  • Score: 1

10:55am Tue 3 Jun 14

cleggandbacon says...

Anyone really familiar with gambling knows there is more to this than meets the eye. For a start very few if any of punters frequenting betting shops "ever" break even let alone consistently win. Secondly "shrewd" punters never set foot in betting shops, they gamble "best odds guarunteed" via other means.
You can't put the odds to paper that this person was asked to take his business elsewhere because of a reason "not" connected to his gambling. And one other point, any "shrewd" punter consistently winning would not frequent the same betting shop each day but would instead do the rounds.
Anyone really familiar with gambling knows there is more to this than meets the eye. For a start very few if any of punters frequenting betting shops "ever" break even let alone consistently win. Secondly "shrewd" punters never set foot in betting shops, they gamble "best odds guarunteed" via other means. You can't put the odds to paper that this person was asked to take his business elsewhere because of a reason "not" connected to his gambling. And one other point, any "shrewd" punter consistently winning would not frequent the same betting shop each day but would instead do the rounds. cleggandbacon
  • Score: 6

10:31pm Tue 3 Jun 14

scuba1 says...

scuba1 wrote:
theArgusReader wrote:
as i am sure we all know the company has the right to refuse to take his money .. the only wonder i have is if his a homosexual will this have impact on the ban the argus can investigate this more do some research Argus Ben leo might find out more details for the next follow up
What on earth are you talking about ?
Is it cos you might be gay ... Not that it has anything to do with the subject in hand ?!
[quote][p][bold]scuba1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]theArgusReader[/bold] wrote: as i am sure we all know the company has the right to refuse to take his money .. the only wonder i have is if his a homosexual will this have impact on the ban the argus can investigate this more do some research Argus Ben leo might find out more details for the next follow up[/p][/quote]What on earth are you talking about ?[/p][/quote]Is it cos you might be gay ... Not that it has anything to do with the subject in hand ?! scuba1
  • Score: 0

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