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Teenager sentenced for committing hate crime

The Argus: Teenager sentenced for committing hate crime Teenager sentenced for committing hate crime

A teenage boy who broke a shop window and shouted racial abuse has been sentenced in court. 

The 16-year-old was interviewed by police following an incident in Wishing Tree Road North, St Leonards, where a group of young people had racially abused a member of staff a shop and broken a window. 

The boy was ordered to pay £200 compensation and was made subject to a 12 month referral order when he appeared by Eastbourne Youth Court. 

Sergeant Peter Allan, the force's hate crime sergeant, said: "I am pleased this boy has been sentenced for the racially aggravated words he used and the damage he caused. He did not act alone however, and if anyone knows the identities of the others involved I would urge them to call 101 quoting reference 1476 of 14 March.

"This sentence sends out a clear signal that we will take a robust approach to those who target individuals based on their race, disability, gender identity, religion or sexual orientation.

"I hope this case will encourage other victims of hate crime to report such behaviour to the police.

"Hate crime can be reported to us by calling 01273 470101, or 999 in an emergency. For those who wish to report online, you can do so by completing the short form http://bit.ly/1fTDYJh  which is available on our website."

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5:58pm Mon 9 Jun 14

clubrob6 says...

except police only take hate crime seriously when its racial,but its not classed as racist if the victim is white.Homophobic abuse is also pointless reporting to the police.
except police only take hate crime seriously when its racial,but its not classed as racist if the victim is white.Homophobic abuse is also pointless reporting to the police. clubrob6
  • Score: 3

8:31pm Mon 9 Jun 14

SgtPeterAllan says...

clubrob6 - I'm sorry but you are incorrect on all counts.

We receive a number of allegations of racist hate crime where the victim is white and the alleged perpetrator is not.

It is not pointless reporting any hate crime, homophobic or otherwise to the police.

Hate crime is the most personal of crimes, targeting individuals for who they are.

I would urge all victims of hate to report to the police. If you don't do it for yourself, do it for others who are targeted and communities who may be affected by hearing of such incidents.
clubrob6 - I'm sorry but you are incorrect on all counts. We receive a number of allegations of racist hate crime where the victim is white and the alleged perpetrator is not. It is not pointless reporting any hate crime, homophobic or otherwise to the police. Hate crime is the most personal of crimes, targeting individuals for who they are. I would urge all victims of hate to report to the police. If you don't do it for yourself, do it for others who are targeted and communities who may be affected by hearing of such incidents. SgtPeterAllan
  • Score: 6

9:23pm Mon 9 Jun 14

SgtPeterAllan says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
SgtPeterAllan wrote: clubrob6 - I'm sorry but you are incorrect on all counts. We receive a number of allegations of racist hate crime where the victim is white and the alleged perpetrator is not. It is not pointless reporting any hate crime, homophobic or otherwise to the police. Hate crime is the most personal of crimes, targeting individuals for who they are. I would urge all victims of hate to report to the police. If you don't do it for yourself, do it for others who are targeted and communities who may be affected by hearing of such incidents.
And how many result in a conviction?
Conviction is one positive result. Many people want the matter resolved without going to court. We use Community Resolution and cautions to good effect. Out of the 244 cases of religious & race hate that went to court in 2012/13 199 resulted in convictions.
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SgtPeterAllan[/bold] wrote: clubrob6 - I'm sorry but you are incorrect on all counts. We receive a number of allegations of racist hate crime where the victim is white and the alleged perpetrator is not. It is not pointless reporting any hate crime, homophobic or otherwise to the police. Hate crime is the most personal of crimes, targeting individuals for who they are. I would urge all victims of hate to report to the police. If you don't do it for yourself, do it for others who are targeted and communities who may be affected by hearing of such incidents.[/p][/quote]And how many result in a conviction?[/p][/quote]Conviction is one positive result. Many people want the matter resolved without going to court. We use Community Resolution and cautions to good effect. Out of the 244 cases of religious & race hate that went to court in 2012/13 199 resulted in convictions. SgtPeterAllan
  • Score: 4

9:57pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Council Pounder says...

Sgt Allen - ZeeGee, ffs and clubrob6 are our two resident racists. They'll believe what they want to believe.
Sgt Allen - ZeeGee, ffs and clubrob6 are our two resident racists. They'll believe what they want to believe. Council Pounder
  • Score: 0

10:15pm Mon 9 Jun 14

jimpy762 says...

Council Pounder wrote:
Sgt Allen - ZeeGee, ffs and clubrob6 are our two resident racists. They'll believe what they want to believe.
oh I don't know. I've read some vitriol from your pen before. Any particular reason your set of dislikes are any more valid than anyone elses?
[quote][p][bold]Council Pounder[/bold] wrote: Sgt Allen - ZeeGee, ffs and clubrob6 are our two resident racists. They'll believe what they want to believe.[/p][/quote]oh I don't know. I've read some vitriol from your pen before. Any particular reason your set of dislikes are any more valid than anyone elses? jimpy762
  • Score: 4

11:37pm Mon 9 Jun 14

clubrob6 says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
SgtPeterAllan wrote:
clubrob6 - I'm sorry but you are incorrect on all counts.

We receive a number of allegations of racist hate crime where the victim is white and the alleged perpetrator is not.

It is not pointless reporting any hate crime, homophobic or otherwise to the police.

Hate crime is the most personal of crimes, targeting individuals for who they are.

I would urge all victims of hate to report to the police. If you don't do it for yourself, do it for others who are targeted and communities who may be affected by hearing of such incidents.
And how many result in a conviction?
Exactly I have reported things in the past and have been a victim of assault but once you report something that's the last you hear of it,all I got was a letter from victim support.I have also used the police on-line reporting form you get a e-mail back saying they have received it and that's the last you hear of it.Police DO NOT treat HATE CRIME seriously.
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SgtPeterAllan[/bold] wrote: clubrob6 - I'm sorry but you are incorrect on all counts. We receive a number of allegations of racist hate crime where the victim is white and the alleged perpetrator is not. It is not pointless reporting any hate crime, homophobic or otherwise to the police. Hate crime is the most personal of crimes, targeting individuals for who they are. I would urge all victims of hate to report to the police. If you don't do it for yourself, do it for others who are targeted and communities who may be affected by hearing of such incidents.[/p][/quote]And how many result in a conviction?[/p][/quote]Exactly I have reported things in the past and have been a victim of assault but once you report something that's the last you hear of it,all I got was a letter from victim support.I have also used the police on-line reporting form you get a e-mail back saying they have received it and that's the last you hear of it.Police DO NOT treat HATE CRIME seriously. clubrob6
  • Score: 3

11:44pm Mon 9 Jun 14

clubrob6 says...

SgtPeterAllan wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
SgtPeterAllan wrote: clubrob6 - I'm sorry but you are incorrect on all counts. We receive a number of allegations of racist hate crime where the victim is white and the alleged perpetrator is not. It is not pointless reporting any hate crime, homophobic or otherwise to the police. Hate crime is the most personal of crimes, targeting individuals for who they are. I would urge all victims of hate to report to the police. If you don't do it for yourself, do it for others who are targeted and communities who may be affected by hearing of such incidents.
And how many result in a conviction?
Conviction is one positive result. Many people want the matter resolved without going to court. We use Community Resolution and cautions to good effect. Out of the 244 cases of religious & race hate that went to court in 2012/13 199 resulted in convictions.
Good to see you pointed out religious and race crime,being a gay male in Brighton and Hove and been subjected to verbal and physical abuse I have NOT seen any convictions for Homophobic abuse that is the reason we don't bother reporting it as we know the police just go through the motions of saying report abuse but actually in reality don't take it any further.You have got figures for other hate crimes it would be interesting to see what the conviction rate is for homophobic crimes.
[quote][p][bold]SgtPeterAllan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SgtPeterAllan[/bold] wrote: clubrob6 - I'm sorry but you are incorrect on all counts. We receive a number of allegations of racist hate crime where the victim is white and the alleged perpetrator is not. It is not pointless reporting any hate crime, homophobic or otherwise to the police. Hate crime is the most personal of crimes, targeting individuals for who they are. I would urge all victims of hate to report to the police. If you don't do it for yourself, do it for others who are targeted and communities who may be affected by hearing of such incidents.[/p][/quote]And how many result in a conviction?[/p][/quote]Conviction is one positive result. Many people want the matter resolved without going to court. We use Community Resolution and cautions to good effect. Out of the 244 cases of religious & race hate that went to court in 2012/13 199 resulted in convictions.[/p][/quote]Good to see you pointed out religious and race crime,being a gay male in Brighton and Hove and been subjected to verbal and physical abuse I have NOT seen any convictions for Homophobic abuse that is the reason we don't bother reporting it as we know the police just go through the motions of saying report abuse but actually in reality don't take it any further.You have got figures for other hate crimes it would be interesting to see what the conviction rate is for homophobic crimes. clubrob6
  • Score: 1

11:48pm Mon 9 Jun 14

clubrob6 says...

Council Pounder wrote:
Sgt Allen - ZeeGee, ffs and clubrob6 are our two resident racists. They'll believe what they want to believe.
Im not a racist anything but I have numerous foreign friends and would never be racist .I would like to know why you call me that.
[quote][p][bold]Council Pounder[/bold] wrote: Sgt Allen - ZeeGee, ffs and clubrob6 are our two resident racists. They'll believe what they want to believe.[/p][/quote]Im not a racist anything but I have numerous foreign friends and would never be racist .I would like to know why you call me that. clubrob6
  • Score: 0

8:17am Tue 10 Jun 14

Council Pounder says...

jimpy762 wrote:
Council Pounder wrote:
Sgt Allen - ZeeGee, ffs and clubrob6 are our two resident racists. They'll believe what they want to believe.
oh I don't know. I've read some vitriol from your pen before. Any particular reason your set of dislikes are any more valid than anyone elses?
What vitriol do you refer to Sir?
[quote][p][bold]jimpy762[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Council Pounder[/bold] wrote: Sgt Allen - ZeeGee, ffs and clubrob6 are our two resident racists. They'll believe what they want to believe.[/p][/quote]oh I don't know. I've read some vitriol from your pen before. Any particular reason your set of dislikes are any more valid than anyone elses?[/p][/quote]What vitriol do you refer to Sir? Council Pounder
  • Score: 0

8:23am Tue 10 Jun 14

SgtPeterAllan says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
SgtPeterAllan wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
SgtPeterAllan wrote: clubrob6 - I'm sorry but you are incorrect on all counts. We receive a number of allegations of racist hate crime where the victim is white and the alleged perpetrator is not. It is not pointless reporting any hate crime, homophobic or otherwise to the police. Hate crime is the most personal of crimes, targeting individuals for who they are. I would urge all victims of hate to report to the police. If you don't do it for yourself, do it for others who are targeted and communities who may be affected by hearing of such incidents.
And how many result in a conviction?
Conviction is one positive result. Many people want the matter resolved without going to court. We use Community Resolution and cautions to good effect. Out of the 244 cases of religious & race hate that went to court in 2012/13 199 resulted in convictions.
Fine.....the original comment referred to the number of allegations made by white persons of racial harassment by non-white persons. How many of those resulted in a conviction?
The short answer is, I don't know.
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SgtPeterAllan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SgtPeterAllan[/bold] wrote: clubrob6 - I'm sorry but you are incorrect on all counts. We receive a number of allegations of racist hate crime where the victim is white and the alleged perpetrator is not. It is not pointless reporting any hate crime, homophobic or otherwise to the police. Hate crime is the most personal of crimes, targeting individuals for who they are. I would urge all victims of hate to report to the police. If you don't do it for yourself, do it for others who are targeted and communities who may be affected by hearing of such incidents.[/p][/quote]And how many result in a conviction?[/p][/quote]Conviction is one positive result. Many people want the matter resolved without going to court. We use Community Resolution and cautions to good effect. Out of the 244 cases of religious & race hate that went to court in 2012/13 199 resulted in convictions.[/p][/quote]Fine.....the original comment referred to the number of allegations made by white persons of racial harassment by non-white persons. How many of those resulted in a conviction?[/p][/quote]The short answer is, I don't know. SgtPeterAllan
  • Score: 0

8:24am Tue 10 Jun 14

SgtPeterAllan says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
SgtPeterAllan wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
SgtPeterAllan wrote: clubrob6 - I'm sorry but you are incorrect on all counts. We receive a number of allegations of racist hate crime where the victim is white and the alleged perpetrator is not. It is not pointless reporting any hate crime, homophobic or otherwise to the police. Hate crime is the most personal of crimes, targeting individuals for who they are. I would urge all victims of hate to report to the police. If you don't do it for yourself, do it for others who are targeted and communities who may be affected by hearing of such incidents.
And how many result in a conviction?
Conviction is one positive result. Many people want the matter resolved without going to court. We use Community Resolution and cautions to good effect. Out of the 244 cases of religious & race hate that went to court in 2012/13 199 resulted in convictions.
Fine.....the original comment referred to the number of allegations made by white persons of racial harassment by non-white persons. How many of those resulted in a conviction?
The short answer is, I don't know.
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SgtPeterAllan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SgtPeterAllan[/bold] wrote: clubrob6 - I'm sorry but you are incorrect on all counts. We receive a number of allegations of racist hate crime where the victim is white and the alleged perpetrator is not. It is not pointless reporting any hate crime, homophobic or otherwise to the police. Hate crime is the most personal of crimes, targeting individuals for who they are. I would urge all victims of hate to report to the police. If you don't do it for yourself, do it for others who are targeted and communities who may be affected by hearing of such incidents.[/p][/quote]And how many result in a conviction?[/p][/quote]Conviction is one positive result. Many people want the matter resolved without going to court. We use Community Resolution and cautions to good effect. Out of the 244 cases of religious & race hate that went to court in 2012/13 199 resulted in convictions.[/p][/quote]Fine.....the original comment referred to the number of allegations made by white persons of racial harassment by non-white persons. How many of those resulted in a conviction?[/p][/quote]The short answer is, I don't know. SgtPeterAllan
  • Score: 0

8:27am Tue 10 Jun 14

SgtPeterAllan says...

clubrob6 wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
SgtPeterAllan wrote: clubrob6 - I'm sorry but you are incorrect on all counts. We receive a number of allegations of racist hate crime where the victim is white and the alleged perpetrator is not. It is not pointless reporting any hate crime, homophobic or otherwise to the police. Hate crime is the most personal of crimes, targeting individuals for who they are. I would urge all victims of hate to report to the police. If you don't do it for yourself, do it for others who are targeted and communities who may be affected by hearing of such incidents.
And how many result in a conviction?
Exactly I have reported things in the past and have been a victim of assault but once you report something that's the last you hear of it,all I got was a letter from victim support.I have also used the police on-line reporting form you get a e-mail back saying they have received it and that's the last you hear of it.Police DO NOT treat HATE CRIME seriously.
I'm sorry to hear that. If we don't follow it up or explain why we are not going to, chase it up. I know you shouldn't have to but there could be any number of reasons why we may have failed to follow something up on occasions.
[quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SgtPeterAllan[/bold] wrote: clubrob6 - I'm sorry but you are incorrect on all counts. We receive a number of allegations of racist hate crime where the victim is white and the alleged perpetrator is not. It is not pointless reporting any hate crime, homophobic or otherwise to the police. Hate crime is the most personal of crimes, targeting individuals for who they are. I would urge all victims of hate to report to the police. If you don't do it for yourself, do it for others who are targeted and communities who may be affected by hearing of such incidents.[/p][/quote]And how many result in a conviction?[/p][/quote]Exactly I have reported things in the past and have been a victim of assault but once you report something that's the last you hear of it,all I got was a letter from victim support.I have also used the police on-line reporting form you get a e-mail back saying they have received it and that's the last you hear of it.Police DO NOT treat HATE CRIME seriously.[/p][/quote]I'm sorry to hear that. If we don't follow it up or explain why we are not going to, chase it up. I know you shouldn't have to but there could be any number of reasons why we may have failed to follow something up on occasions. SgtPeterAllan
  • Score: 0

8:30am Tue 10 Jun 14

SgtPeterAllan says...

clubrob6 wrote:
SgtPeterAllan wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
SgtPeterAllan wrote: clubrob6 - I'm sorry but you are incorrect on all counts. We receive a number of allegations of racist hate crime where the victim is white and the alleged perpetrator is not. It is not pointless reporting any hate crime, homophobic or otherwise to the police. Hate crime is the most personal of crimes, targeting individuals for who they are. I would urge all victims of hate to report to the police. If you don't do it for yourself, do it for others who are targeted and communities who may be affected by hearing of such incidents.
And how many result in a conviction?
Conviction is one positive result. Many people want the matter resolved without going to court. We use Community Resolution and cautions to good effect. Out of the 244 cases of religious & race hate that went to court in 2012/13 199 resulted in convictions.
Good to see you pointed out religious and race crime,being a gay male in Brighton and Hove and been subjected to verbal and physical abuse I have NOT seen any convictions for Homophobic abuse that is the reason we don't bother reporting it as we know the police just go through the motions of saying report abuse but actually in reality don't take it any further.You have got figures for other hate crimes it would be interesting to see what the conviction rate is for homophobic crimes.
in 2012/13 40 cases of homophobic and transphobic hate were prosceuted across Sussex and 35 resulted in a conviction. Again I must point out that conviction is not nthe only outcome victims want. If you follow my Twitter and/or Facebook I publish all charges for hate crime. There is a homophobic case in the court system from Battle at the moment.
[quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SgtPeterAllan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SgtPeterAllan[/bold] wrote: clubrob6 - I'm sorry but you are incorrect on all counts. We receive a number of allegations of racist hate crime where the victim is white and the alleged perpetrator is not. It is not pointless reporting any hate crime, homophobic or otherwise to the police. Hate crime is the most personal of crimes, targeting individuals for who they are. I would urge all victims of hate to report to the police. If you don't do it for yourself, do it for others who are targeted and communities who may be affected by hearing of such incidents.[/p][/quote]And how many result in a conviction?[/p][/quote]Conviction is one positive result. Many people want the matter resolved without going to court. We use Community Resolution and cautions to good effect. Out of the 244 cases of religious & race hate that went to court in 2012/13 199 resulted in convictions.[/p][/quote]Good to see you pointed out religious and race crime,being a gay male in Brighton and Hove and been subjected to verbal and physical abuse I have NOT seen any convictions for Homophobic abuse that is the reason we don't bother reporting it as we know the police just go through the motions of saying report abuse but actually in reality don't take it any further.You have got figures for other hate crimes it would be interesting to see what the conviction rate is for homophobic crimes.[/p][/quote]in 2012/13 40 cases of homophobic and transphobic hate were prosceuted across Sussex and 35 resulted in a conviction. Again I must point out that conviction is not nthe only outcome victims want. If you follow my Twitter and/or Facebook I publish all charges for hate crime. There is a homophobic case in the court system from Battle at the moment. SgtPeterAllan
  • Score: 0

8:32am Tue 10 Jun 14

SgtPeterAllan says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
SgtPeterAllan wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
SgtPeterAllan wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
SgtPeterAllan wrote: clubrob6 - I'm sorry but you are incorrect on all counts. We receive a number of allegations of racist hate crime where the victim is white and the alleged perpetrator is not. It is not pointless reporting any hate crime, homophobic or otherwise to the police. Hate crime is the most personal of crimes, targeting individuals for who they are. I would urge all victims of hate to report to the police. If you don't do it for yourself, do it for others who are targeted and communities who may be affected by hearing of such incidents.
And how many result in a conviction?
Conviction is one positive result. Many people want the matter resolved without going to court. We use Community Resolution and cautions to good effect. Out of the 244 cases of religious & race hate that went to court in 2012/13 199 resulted in convictions.
Fine.....the original comment referred to the number of allegations made by white persons of racial harassment by non-white persons. How many of those resulted in a conviction?
The short answer is, I don't know.
Thank you for your honesty. The sad fact is that it is virtually impossible for a white victim of racial abuse to see their non-white assailant even charged, never mind successfully prosecuted for the racial aspect.
I disagree. We record complaints and investigate in the same way. If the evidence is sufficient to charge, then we charge. Maybe it's another area of under reported crime that will hopefully increase with the work we are doing.
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SgtPeterAllan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SgtPeterAllan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SgtPeterAllan[/bold] wrote: clubrob6 - I'm sorry but you are incorrect on all counts. We receive a number of allegations of racist hate crime where the victim is white and the alleged perpetrator is not. It is not pointless reporting any hate crime, homophobic or otherwise to the police. Hate crime is the most personal of crimes, targeting individuals for who they are. I would urge all victims of hate to report to the police. If you don't do it for yourself, do it for others who are targeted and communities who may be affected by hearing of such incidents.[/p][/quote]And how many result in a conviction?[/p][/quote]Conviction is one positive result. Many people want the matter resolved without going to court. We use Community Resolution and cautions to good effect. Out of the 244 cases of religious & race hate that went to court in 2012/13 199 resulted in convictions.[/p][/quote]Fine.....the original comment referred to the number of allegations made by white persons of racial harassment by non-white persons. How many of those resulted in a conviction?[/p][/quote]The short answer is, I don't know.[/p][/quote]Thank you for your honesty. The sad fact is that it is virtually impossible for a white victim of racial abuse to see their non-white assailant even charged, never mind successfully prosecuted for the racial aspect.[/p][/quote]I disagree. We record complaints and investigate in the same way. If the evidence is sufficient to charge, then we charge. Maybe it's another area of under reported crime that will hopefully increase with the work we are doing. SgtPeterAllan
  • Score: -1

9:44am Tue 10 Jun 14

clubrob6 says...

SgtPeterAllan wrote:
clubrob6 wrote:
SgtPeterAllan wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
SgtPeterAllan wrote: clubrob6 - I'm sorry but you are incorrect on all counts. We receive a number of allegations of racist hate crime where the victim is white and the alleged perpetrator is not. It is not pointless reporting any hate crime, homophobic or otherwise to the police. Hate crime is the most personal of crimes, targeting individuals for who they are. I would urge all victims of hate to report to the police. If you don't do it for yourself, do it for others who are targeted and communities who may be affected by hearing of such incidents.
And how many result in a conviction?
Conviction is one positive result. Many people want the matter resolved without going to court. We use Community Resolution and cautions to good effect. Out of the 244 cases of religious & race hate that went to court in 2012/13 199 resulted in convictions.
Good to see you pointed out religious and race crime,being a gay male in Brighton and Hove and been subjected to verbal and physical abuse I have NOT seen any convictions for Homophobic abuse that is the reason we don't bother reporting it as we know the police just go through the motions of saying report abuse but actually in reality don't take it any further.You have got figures for other hate crimes it would be interesting to see what the conviction rate is for homophobic crimes.
in 2012/13 40 cases of homophobic and transphobic hate were prosceuted across Sussex and 35 resulted in a conviction. Again I must point out that conviction is not nthe only outcome victims want. If you follow my Twitter and/or Facebook I publish all charges for hate crime. There is a homophobic case in the court system from Battle at the moment.
Glad to see that some convictions are happening but through my own experience I would not report a verbal abuse homophobic crime unless it was really serious.Brighton is known as the gay capital but I would not say it was the safest place for gays.I have lived in many areas of the country I have been attacked three times everyone of them in Brighton and Hove.The best advice to new arrivals to the area is don't have a false sense of security,be aware of whats going on around you avoid walking past gangs of lads.I would cross the road well in advance,i also avoid ccertain area's like St James street at weekends it's simply too risky its much safer going to a straight bar in hove which are mixed these days anyway.I also especially avoid the seafront area after dark even though I live right off hove lawns as this is the area along with St james street that I have been attacked in the past.
[quote][p][bold]SgtPeterAllan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SgtPeterAllan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SgtPeterAllan[/bold] wrote: clubrob6 - I'm sorry but you are incorrect on all counts. We receive a number of allegations of racist hate crime where the victim is white and the alleged perpetrator is not. It is not pointless reporting any hate crime, homophobic or otherwise to the police. Hate crime is the most personal of crimes, targeting individuals for who they are. I would urge all victims of hate to report to the police. If you don't do it for yourself, do it for others who are targeted and communities who may be affected by hearing of such incidents.[/p][/quote]And how many result in a conviction?[/p][/quote]Conviction is one positive result. Many people want the matter resolved without going to court. We use Community Resolution and cautions to good effect. Out of the 244 cases of religious & race hate that went to court in 2012/13 199 resulted in convictions.[/p][/quote]Good to see you pointed out religious and race crime,being a gay male in Brighton and Hove and been subjected to verbal and physical abuse I have NOT seen any convictions for Homophobic abuse that is the reason we don't bother reporting it as we know the police just go through the motions of saying report abuse but actually in reality don't take it any further.You have got figures for other hate crimes it would be interesting to see what the conviction rate is for homophobic crimes.[/p][/quote]in 2012/13 40 cases of homophobic and transphobic hate were prosceuted across Sussex and 35 resulted in a conviction. Again I must point out that conviction is not nthe only outcome victims want. If you follow my Twitter and/or Facebook I publish all charges for hate crime. There is a homophobic case in the court system from Battle at the moment.[/p][/quote]Glad to see that some convictions are happening but through my own experience I would not report a verbal abuse homophobic crime unless it was really serious.Brighton is known as the gay capital but I would not say it was the safest place for gays.I have lived in many areas of the country I have been attacked three times everyone of them in Brighton and Hove.The best advice to new arrivals to the area is don't have a false sense of security,be aware of whats going on around you avoid walking past gangs of lads.I would cross the road well in advance,i also avoid ccertain area's like St James street at weekends it's simply too risky its much safer going to a straight bar in hove which are mixed these days anyway.I also especially avoid the seafront area after dark even though I live right off hove lawns as this is the area along with St james street that I have been attacked in the past. clubrob6
  • Score: 0

10:00am Tue 10 Jun 14

SgtPeterAllan says...

clubrob6 wrote:
SgtPeterAllan wrote:
clubrob6 wrote:
SgtPeterAllan wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
SgtPeterAllan wrote: clubrob6 - I'm sorry but you are incorrect on all counts. We receive a number of allegations of racist hate crime where the victim is white and the alleged perpetrator is not. It is not pointless reporting any hate crime, homophobic or otherwise to the police. Hate crime is the most personal of crimes, targeting individuals for who they are. I would urge all victims of hate to report to the police. If you don't do it for yourself, do it for others who are targeted and communities who may be affected by hearing of such incidents.
And how many result in a conviction?
Conviction is one positive result. Many people want the matter resolved without going to court. We use Community Resolution and cautions to good effect. Out of the 244 cases of religious & race hate that went to court in 2012/13 199 resulted in convictions.
Good to see you pointed out religious and race crime,being a gay male in Brighton and Hove and been subjected to verbal and physical abuse I have NOT seen any convictions for Homophobic abuse that is the reason we don't bother reporting it as we know the police just go through the motions of saying report abuse but actually in reality don't take it any further.You have got figures for other hate crimes it would be interesting to see what the conviction rate is for homophobic crimes.
in 2012/13 40 cases of homophobic and transphobic hate were prosceuted across Sussex and 35 resulted in a conviction. Again I must point out that conviction is not nthe only outcome victims want. If you follow my Twitter and/or Facebook I publish all charges for hate crime. There is a homophobic case in the court system from Battle at the moment.
Glad to see that some convictions are happening but through my own experience I would not report a verbal abuse homophobic crime unless it was really serious.Brighton is known as the gay capital but I would not say it was the safest place for gays.I have lived in many areas of the country I have been attacked three times everyone of them in Brighton and Hove.The best advice to new arrivals to the area is don't have a false sense of security,be aware of whats going on around you avoid walking past gangs of lads.I would cross the road well in advance,i also avoid ccertain area's like St James street at weekends it's simply too risky its much safer going to a straight bar in hove which are mixed these days anyway.I also especially avoid the seafront area after dark even though I live right off hove lawns as this is the area along with St james street that I have been attacked in the past.
I am sorry to hear of your negative experiences in Brighton and Hove and that you would not report any future incidents. I am happy to discuss your comments and related issues if you wish. My contact details are peter.allan@sussex.p
nn.police.uk or 07867 501150.
[quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SgtPeterAllan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SgtPeterAllan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SgtPeterAllan[/bold] wrote: clubrob6 - I'm sorry but you are incorrect on all counts. We receive a number of allegations of racist hate crime where the victim is white and the alleged perpetrator is not. It is not pointless reporting any hate crime, homophobic or otherwise to the police. Hate crime is the most personal of crimes, targeting individuals for who they are. I would urge all victims of hate to report to the police. If you don't do it for yourself, do it for others who are targeted and communities who may be affected by hearing of such incidents.[/p][/quote]And how many result in a conviction?[/p][/quote]Conviction is one positive result. Many people want the matter resolved without going to court. We use Community Resolution and cautions to good effect. Out of the 244 cases of religious & race hate that went to court in 2012/13 199 resulted in convictions.[/p][/quote]Good to see you pointed out religious and race crime,being a gay male in Brighton and Hove and been subjected to verbal and physical abuse I have NOT seen any convictions for Homophobic abuse that is the reason we don't bother reporting it as we know the police just go through the motions of saying report abuse but actually in reality don't take it any further.You have got figures for other hate crimes it would be interesting to see what the conviction rate is for homophobic crimes.[/p][/quote]in 2012/13 40 cases of homophobic and transphobic hate were prosceuted across Sussex and 35 resulted in a conviction. Again I must point out that conviction is not nthe only outcome victims want. If you follow my Twitter and/or Facebook I publish all charges for hate crime. There is a homophobic case in the court system from Battle at the moment.[/p][/quote]Glad to see that some convictions are happening but through my own experience I would not report a verbal abuse homophobic crime unless it was really serious.Brighton is known as the gay capital but I would not say it was the safest place for gays.I have lived in many areas of the country I have been attacked three times everyone of them in Brighton and Hove.The best advice to new arrivals to the area is don't have a false sense of security,be aware of whats going on around you avoid walking past gangs of lads.I would cross the road well in advance,i also avoid ccertain area's like St James street at weekends it's simply too risky its much safer going to a straight bar in hove which are mixed these days anyway.I also especially avoid the seafront area after dark even though I live right off hove lawns as this is the area along with St james street that I have been attacked in the past.[/p][/quote]I am sorry to hear of your negative experiences in Brighton and Hove and that you would not report any future incidents. I am happy to discuss your comments and related issues if you wish. My contact details are peter.allan@sussex.p nn.police.uk or 07867 501150. SgtPeterAllan
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12:11pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Gary1965 says...

clubrob6 wrote:
SgtPeterAllan wrote:
clubrob6 wrote:
SgtPeterAllan wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
SgtPeterAllan wrote: clubrob6 - I'm sorry but you are incorrect on all counts. We receive a number of allegations of racist hate crime where the victim is white and the alleged perpetrator is not. It is not pointless reporting any hate crime, homophobic or otherwise to the police. Hate crime is the most personal of crimes, targeting individuals for who they are. I would urge all victims of hate to report to the police. If you don't do it for yourself, do it for others who are targeted and communities who may be affected by hearing of such incidents.
And how many result in a conviction?
Conviction is one positive result. Many people want the matter resolved without going to court. We use Community Resolution and cautions to good effect. Out of the 244 cases of religious & race hate that went to court in 2012/13 199 resulted in convictions.
Good to see you pointed out religious and race crime,being a gay male in Brighton and Hove and been subjected to verbal and physical abuse I have NOT seen any convictions for Homophobic abuse that is the reason we don't bother reporting it as we know the police just go through the motions of saying report abuse but actually in reality don't take it any further.You have got figures for other hate crimes it would be interesting to see what the conviction rate is for homophobic crimes.
in 2012/13 40 cases of homophobic and transphobic hate were prosceuted across Sussex and 35 resulted in a conviction. Again I must point out that conviction is not nthe only outcome victims want. If you follow my Twitter and/or Facebook I publish all charges for hate crime. There is a homophobic case in the court system from Battle at the moment.
Glad to see that some convictions are happening but through my own experience I would not report a verbal abuse homophobic crime unless it was really serious.Brighton is known as the gay capital but I would not say it was the safest place for gays.I have lived in many areas of the country I have been attacked three times everyone of them in Brighton and Hove.The best advice to new arrivals to the area is don't have a false sense of security,be aware of whats going on around you avoid walking past gangs of lads.I would cross the road well in advance,i also avoid ccertain area's like St James street at weekends it's simply too risky its much safer going to a straight bar in hove which are mixed these days anyway.I also especially avoid the seafront area after dark even though I live right off hove lawns as this is the area along with St james street that I have been attacked in the past.
This certainly gives the lie to the claims that Brighton is a gay-friendly place.

It also lends support to the claims by residents that they loathe the fact that it is seen (and boasts about) being the gay capital of the UK.
[quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SgtPeterAllan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SgtPeterAllan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SgtPeterAllan[/bold] wrote: clubrob6 - I'm sorry but you are incorrect on all counts. We receive a number of allegations of racist hate crime where the victim is white and the alleged perpetrator is not. It is not pointless reporting any hate crime, homophobic or otherwise to the police. Hate crime is the most personal of crimes, targeting individuals for who they are. I would urge all victims of hate to report to the police. If you don't do it for yourself, do it for others who are targeted and communities who may be affected by hearing of such incidents.[/p][/quote]And how many result in a conviction?[/p][/quote]Conviction is one positive result. Many people want the matter resolved without going to court. We use Community Resolution and cautions to good effect. Out of the 244 cases of religious & race hate that went to court in 2012/13 199 resulted in convictions.[/p][/quote]Good to see you pointed out religious and race crime,being a gay male in Brighton and Hove and been subjected to verbal and physical abuse I have NOT seen any convictions for Homophobic abuse that is the reason we don't bother reporting it as we know the police just go through the motions of saying report abuse but actually in reality don't take it any further.You have got figures for other hate crimes it would be interesting to see what the conviction rate is for homophobic crimes.[/p][/quote]in 2012/13 40 cases of homophobic and transphobic hate were prosceuted across Sussex and 35 resulted in a conviction. Again I must point out that conviction is not nthe only outcome victims want. If you follow my Twitter and/or Facebook I publish all charges for hate crime. There is a homophobic case in the court system from Battle at the moment.[/p][/quote]Glad to see that some convictions are happening but through my own experience I would not report a verbal abuse homophobic crime unless it was really serious.Brighton is known as the gay capital but I would not say it was the safest place for gays.I have lived in many areas of the country I have been attacked three times everyone of them in Brighton and Hove.The best advice to new arrivals to the area is don't have a false sense of security,be aware of whats going on around you avoid walking past gangs of lads.I would cross the road well in advance,i also avoid ccertain area's like St James street at weekends it's simply too risky its much safer going to a straight bar in hove which are mixed these days anyway.I also especially avoid the seafront area after dark even though I live right off hove lawns as this is the area along with St james street that I have been attacked in the past.[/p][/quote]This certainly gives the lie to the claims that Brighton is a gay-friendly place. It also lends support to the claims by residents that they loathe the fact that it is seen (and boasts about) being the gay capital of the UK. Gary1965
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4:37pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Gary1965 says...

Despite the fact that those of other nationalities were involved, I can guarantee that no racial aspect will appear on the charge sheet.

http://www.mirror.co
.uk/news/uk-news/oap
-defiant-after-viole
nt-mugging-3669803#.
U5cdq5ur8x4.facebook
Despite the fact that those of other nationalities were involved, I can guarantee that no racial aspect will appear on the charge sheet. http://www.mirror.co .uk/news/uk-news/oap -defiant-after-viole nt-mugging-3669803#. U5cdq5ur8x4.facebook Gary1965
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