Widespread disruption forecast with multi-union strike on the horizon

Widespread disruption forecast with multi-union strike on the horizon

Widespread disruption forecast with multi-union strike on the horizon

First published in News

The majority of public services “will not be operating” during a widespread strike of teachers, educational support staff and council workers next month, unions have warned.

Teacher unions are warning parents to expect even more school closures on July 10 than early this year as support staff join teachers on strike.

As well as the National Union of Teachers, Unison have also announced their members will be striking with GMB and Unite members also expected to join the action once their ballots Senior union leaders are warning that the July 10 action could even surpass the General Strike of 1926 when 1.7 million workers downed tools.

Unison said its members in England, Wales and Northern Ireland will walk out for 24 hours, with other unions set to announce a similar move in the coming week.

The public services union said that local government workers have been "condemned" to three consecutive years of pay freezes, followed by below-inflation rises in 2013 and 2014, leaving their pay reduced by almost 20% since the coalition came to power.

The Public and Commercial Services union is also balloting its members for a strike in a long-running dispute over cuts in the civil service, with the result also due by the end of the month, while thousands of midwives and maternity support staff are currently being consulted on whether they want a formal ballot for action..

Phil Clarke, East Sussex rep of the NUT, said the strike was likely to surpass the strike on March 26 this year which affected tens of thousands of pupils across the whole county.

He said: “In terms of the NUT it will be the same broadly speaking as the last strike but with Unison and GMB also likely to be out, it will probably result in a higher level of school closures because of the support staff as well.

“Last time in Brighton and Hove schools were shut across the board last time anyway but in East Sussex it was not quite as high but there was still a very significant level of closures.

“We are still be expected to work until 68 with an ever increasing workload.

“The pay situation is even worse for teachers than support staff because schools don’t even have to pass on the 1% pay rise to teachers, it’s at their discretion.

“With inflation, teachers have been suffering pay cuts for years.

“A key section of the public sector will not be operating on July 10, in fact the majority of the public sector will not be working.”

A Local Government Association spokesman said: "It is disappointing that Unison will be proceeding with strike action.

“Local government staff have worked wonders while councils have been tackling the biggest funding cuts in living memory and we have no doubt that many will still be at work on the day of strike action.”

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4:23pm Mon 23 Jun 14

applecore says...

Talking of strikes, I am reminded that the argus will also be going on strike.
GOOD LUCK.
Talking of strikes, I am reminded that the argus will also be going on strike. GOOD LUCK. applecore
  • Score: 11

4:36pm Mon 23 Jun 14

We love Red Billy says...

Well those of us in the private sector are not getting wage rises so why should they? Still living in some rose tinted 1970's workers paradise where everything is free................
.wake up chaps.
Well those of us in the private sector are not getting wage rises so why should they? Still living in some rose tinted 1970's workers paradise where everything is free................ .wake up chaps. We love Red Billy
  • Score: -6

4:47pm Mon 23 Jun 14

ecw says...

We love Red Billy wrote:
Well those of us in the private sector are not getting wage rises so why should they? Still living in some rose tinted 1970's workers paradise where everything is free................

.wake up chaps.
Why should we want to drag everyone down to a poor standard? Such a sad mentality that just because the private sector is not organised and its workers allow themselves to be taken for granted and given poor wages and benefits that we feel that everyone else should join us down here ! And yes, I have worked for the private sector all my life........
[quote][p][bold]We love Red Billy[/bold] wrote: Well those of us in the private sector are not getting wage rises so why should they? Still living in some rose tinted 1970's workers paradise where everything is free................ .wake up chaps.[/p][/quote]Why should we want to drag everyone down to a poor standard? Such a sad mentality that just because the private sector is not organised and its workers allow themselves to be taken for granted and given poor wages and benefits that we feel that everyone else should join us down here ! And yes, I have worked for the private sector all my life........ ecw
  • Score: 4

5:02pm Mon 23 Jun 14

Andy R says...

Loads of people in the private sector are getting wage rises.
Loads of people in the private sector are getting wage rises. Andy R
  • Score: 3

5:07pm Mon 23 Jun 14

NathanAdler says...

It has to be said:

Teachers: 13 weeks holiday, weekends off, finish by 4pm, good pension, not bad pay, good prospects.

Oh yes you have a degree don't you? Well so do most people nowadays who work in cafes or coffee bars it seems.

And you have to work beyond hours sometimes and do all that marking and prep. Whilst I appreciate this is hard, most jobs have out-of-hours working.

Teachers have an important position in society, nobody is denying that and it is a job I could never have done, but it is about time that they wake up and smell the coffee and realise they are not that special and their conditions are not that bad.

I bet my military pension as an ex-Captain is not as good as say a deputy heads pension, and I know as a today salary comparison deputy heads are on far more than Army Captains.

Get real teachers.
It has to be said: Teachers: 13 weeks holiday, weekends off, finish by 4pm, good pension, not bad pay, good prospects. Oh yes you have a degree don't you? Well so do most people nowadays who work in cafes or coffee bars it seems. And you have to work beyond hours sometimes and do all that marking and prep. Whilst I appreciate this is hard, most jobs have out-of-hours working. Teachers have an important position in society, nobody is denying that and it is a job I could never have done, but it is about time that they wake up and smell the coffee and realise they are not that special and their conditions are not that bad. I bet my military pension as an ex-Captain is not as good as say a deputy heads pension, and I know as a today salary comparison deputy heads are on far more than Army Captains. Get real teachers. NathanAdler
  • Score: 2

5:14pm Mon 23 Jun 14

twonk says...

Nobody tells me to strike. What good will this do?
Nobody tells me to strike. What good will this do? twonk
  • Score: 3

5:45pm Mon 23 Jun 14

stevo!! says...

Andy R wrote:
Loads of people in the private sector are getting wage rises.
Because they earn them.

Public sector workers endured handsome wage increases until the whole thing went belly-up in 2008.

Since then, there hadn't been the funds to increase pay from what was already artificially high.

Basically, these commies are upset at nothing.
[quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: Loads of people in the private sector are getting wage rises.[/p][/quote]Because they earn them. Public sector workers endured handsome wage increases until the whole thing went belly-up in 2008. Since then, there hadn't been the funds to increase pay from what was already artificially high. Basically, these commies are upset at nothing. stevo!!
  • Score: -15

5:58pm Mon 23 Jun 14

hoveguyactually says...

And of course they have to strike at a time when most students are either taking or are preparing to take their exams. I hope those young people will remember that in the future, when they are having to deal with unions.
And of course they have to strike at a time when most students are either taking or are preparing to take their exams. I hope those young people will remember that in the future, when they are having to deal with unions. hoveguyactually
  • Score: -8

6:08pm Mon 23 Jun 14

whatone says...

Since exams apparently finish by the end of June and the strike is in July, what do you hope 'those young people' will remember exactly?
Since exams apparently finish by the end of June and the strike is in July, what do you hope 'those young people' will remember exactly? whatone
  • Score: 9

6:08pm Mon 23 Jun 14

seagull52 says...

Their exams are long finished by July 10th. Most of year 11 and year 13 have long departed by then. No Im not a teacher, just a parent of 2 boys. One of my sons is a teacher, often at meetings until 5pm, has to be at work by 7.45. am
Many private sector workers earn much more and don't have to contribute so much of their pay towards a pension.
Just try living with a teacher, then you'll know it's no cushy job!
Their exams are long finished by July 10th. Most of year 11 and year 13 have long departed by then. No Im not a teacher, just a parent of 2 boys. One of my sons is a teacher, often at meetings until 5pm, has to be at work by 7.45. am Many private sector workers earn much more and don't have to contribute so much of their pay towards a pension. Just try living with a teacher, then you'll know it's no cushy job! seagull52
  • Score: 16

6:16pm Mon 23 Jun 14

Hove Actually says...

I hope they fine every teacher not turning up £60
I hope they fine every teacher not turning up £60 Hove Actually
  • Score: 1

6:19pm Mon 23 Jun 14

hubby says...

hoveguyactually wrote:
And of course they have to strike at a time when most students are either taking or are preparing to take their exams. I hope those young people will remember that in the future, when they are having to deal with unions.
Exams are over.
If you knew anything at all about education you would know that.

Weekends and evenings are spent on marking and preparing lessons.
At this time of the year reports take up hours of teachers´ time.

Teachers are leaving the profession in their droves.
Better to work somewhere where you don´t get abused,and at the end of the day you go home and forget about your job.
Teachers are an easy target,but soon all of the best ones will have gone.
[quote][p][bold]hoveguyactually[/bold] wrote: And of course they have to strike at a time when most students are either taking or are preparing to take their exams. I hope those young people will remember that in the future, when they are having to deal with unions.[/p][/quote]Exams are over. If you knew anything at all about education you would know that. Weekends and evenings are spent on marking and preparing lessons. At this time of the year reports take up hours of teachers´ time. Teachers are leaving the profession in their droves. Better to work somewhere where you don´t get abused,and at the end of the day you go home and forget about your job. Teachers are an easy target,but soon all of the best ones will have gone. hubby
  • Score: 13

6:26pm Mon 23 Jun 14

VoxUnpopuli says...

stevo!! wrote:
Andy R wrote:
Loads of people in the private sector are getting wage rises.
Because they earn them.

Public sector workers endured handsome wage increases until the whole thing went belly-up in 2008.

Since then, there hadn't been the funds to increase pay from what was already artificially high.

Basically, these commies are upset at nothing.
So Firemen don't deserve a pay rise but you do? What happened in 2008 was that the Bankers lost all our money, not public sector workers. You wouldn't be a banker by any chance would you?
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: Loads of people in the private sector are getting wage rises.[/p][/quote]Because they earn them. Public sector workers endured handsome wage increases until the whole thing went belly-up in 2008. Since then, there hadn't been the funds to increase pay from what was already artificially high. Basically, these commies are upset at nothing.[/p][/quote]So Firemen don't deserve a pay rise but you do? What happened in 2008 was that the Bankers lost all our money, not public sector workers. You wouldn't be a banker by any chance would you? VoxUnpopuli
  • Score: 24

6:33pm Mon 23 Jun 14

BlackRocker says...

NathanAdler wrote:
It has to be said:

Teachers: 13 weeks holiday, weekends off, finish by 4pm, good pension, not bad pay, good prospects.

Oh yes you have a degree don't you? Well so do most people nowadays who work in cafes or coffee bars it seems.

And you have to work beyond hours sometimes and do all that marking and prep. Whilst I appreciate this is hard, most jobs have out-of-hours working.

Teachers have an important position in society, nobody is denying that and it is a job I could never have done, but it is about time that they wake up and smell the coffee and realise they are not that special and their conditions are not that bad.

I bet my military pension as an ex-Captain is not as good as say a deputy heads pension, and I know as a today salary comparison deputy heads are on far more than Army Captains.

Get real teachers.
Yes, and if today's useless teachers aren't responsible for the decline in educational standards, who is? You can't blame Mr Gove for that one. People might have more sympathy if half the teachers did anything like a decent job. If you don't like it, get a job in the private sector. That is, if they'll take you on.
[quote][p][bold]NathanAdler[/bold] wrote: It has to be said: Teachers: 13 weeks holiday, weekends off, finish by 4pm, good pension, not bad pay, good prospects. Oh yes you have a degree don't you? Well so do most people nowadays who work in cafes or coffee bars it seems. And you have to work beyond hours sometimes and do all that marking and prep. Whilst I appreciate this is hard, most jobs have out-of-hours working. Teachers have an important position in society, nobody is denying that and it is a job I could never have done, but it is about time that they wake up and smell the coffee and realise they are not that special and their conditions are not that bad. I bet my military pension as an ex-Captain is not as good as say a deputy heads pension, and I know as a today salary comparison deputy heads are on far more than Army Captains. Get real teachers.[/p][/quote]Yes, and if today's useless teachers aren't responsible for the decline in educational standards, who is? You can't blame Mr Gove for that one. People might have more sympathy if half the teachers did anything like a decent job. If you don't like it, get a job in the private sector. That is, if they'll take you on. BlackRocker
  • Score: 1

7:10pm Mon 23 Jun 14

brighton bluenose says...

hoveguyactually wrote:
And of course they have to strike at a time when most students are either taking or are preparing to take their exams. I hope those young people will remember that in the future, when they are having to deal with unions.
If you had actually bothered to go to school you would know that exams are over by the end of June - so no-one will be either preparing for or actually sitting exams come the 10th July!!
[quote][p][bold]hoveguyactually[/bold] wrote: And of course they have to strike at a time when most students are either taking or are preparing to take their exams. I hope those young people will remember that in the future, when they are having to deal with unions.[/p][/quote]If you had actually bothered to go to school you would know that exams are over by the end of June - so no-one will be either preparing for or actually sitting exams come the 10th July!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: 10

7:11pm Mon 23 Jun 14

brighton bluenose says...

VoxUnpopuli wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
Andy R wrote:
Loads of people in the private sector are getting wage rises.
Because they earn them.

Public sector workers endured handsome wage increases until the whole thing went belly-up in 2008.

Since then, there hadn't been the funds to increase pay from what was already artificially high.

Basically, these commies are upset at nothing.
So Firemen don't deserve a pay rise but you do? What happened in 2008 was that the Bankers lost all our money, not public sector workers. You wouldn't be a banker by any chance would you?
Not a banker - but undoubtedly something that rhymes with it!!
[quote][p][bold]VoxUnpopuli[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: Loads of people in the private sector are getting wage rises.[/p][/quote]Because they earn them. Public sector workers endured handsome wage increases until the whole thing went belly-up in 2008. Since then, there hadn't been the funds to increase pay from what was already artificially high. Basically, these commies are upset at nothing.[/p][/quote]So Firemen don't deserve a pay rise but you do? What happened in 2008 was that the Bankers lost all our money, not public sector workers. You wouldn't be a banker by any chance would you?[/p][/quote]Not a banker - but undoubtedly something that rhymes with it!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: 10

7:21pm Mon 23 Jun 14

Lambchops says...

My daughters schools have just issued letters regarding fines for time off from school so how on earth do you justify a strike, and for parents who have to take time off from work it's as if it's ok for teachers ect to strike but not for family's to spend precious time together ???
My daughters schools have just issued letters regarding fines for time off from school so how on earth do you justify a strike, and for parents who have to take time off from work it's as if it's ok for teachers ect to strike but not for family's to spend precious time together ??? Lambchops
  • Score: 5

7:36pm Mon 23 Jun 14

brighton bluenose says...

stevo!! wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
VoxUnpopuli wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
Andy R wrote:
Loads of people in the private sector are getting wage rises.
Because they earn them.

Public sector workers endured handsome wage increases until the whole thing went belly-up in 2008.

Since then, there hadn't been the funds to increase pay from what was already artificially high.

Basically, these commies are upset at nothing.
So Firemen don't deserve a pay rise but you do? What happened in 2008 was that the Bankers lost all our money, not public sector workers. You wouldn't be a banker by any chance would you?
Not a banker - but undoubtedly something that rhymes with it!!
And that's what passes for debate for you?
When you describe public service workers demonstrating about wages and conditions as 'commies' as you did earlier in this thread you are clearly incapable of 'debate' sunshine!!
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VoxUnpopuli[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: Loads of people in the private sector are getting wage rises.[/p][/quote]Because they earn them. Public sector workers endured handsome wage increases until the whole thing went belly-up in 2008. Since then, there hadn't been the funds to increase pay from what was already artificially high. Basically, these commies are upset at nothing.[/p][/quote]So Firemen don't deserve a pay rise but you do? What happened in 2008 was that the Bankers lost all our money, not public sector workers. You wouldn't be a banker by any chance would you?[/p][/quote]Not a banker - but undoubtedly something that rhymes with it!![/p][/quote]And that's what passes for debate for you?[/p][/quote]When you describe public service workers demonstrating about wages and conditions as 'commies' as you did earlier in this thread you are clearly incapable of 'debate' sunshine!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: 9

7:45pm Mon 23 Jun 14

BlackRocker says...

Although not true of - one hopes - the majority of teachers should remember the words of George Bernard Shaw (in Man and Superman, for anyone interested): "Remember: those who can, do; those who can't, teach."
A couple of weeks working in the real world would do a lot to open your eyes. P.S. Before you ask, I have worked in both.
Although not true of - one hopes - the majority of teachers should remember the words of George Bernard Shaw (in Man and Superman, for anyone interested): "Remember: those who can, do; those who can't, teach." A couple of weeks working in the real world would do a lot to open your eyes. P.S. Before you ask, I have worked in both. BlackRocker
  • Score: -3

7:46pm Mon 23 Jun 14

stevo!! says...

Brighton Bluenose lambasted another poster for not knowing when the exam periods end.

I'm still waiting for that abusive person to explain how he should have been expected to know.

Shall we just accept that BB got abusive and later realised he'd made yet another error based on his own ignorance?
Brighton Bluenose lambasted another poster for not knowing when the exam periods end. I'm still waiting for that abusive person to explain how he should have been expected to know. Shall we just accept that BB got abusive and later realised he'd made yet another error based on his own ignorance? stevo!!
  • Score: -3

7:50pm Mon 23 Jun 14

brighton bluenose says...

stevo!! wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
hoveguyactually wrote:
And of course they have to strike at a time when most students are either taking or are preparing to take their exams. I hope those young people will remember that in the future, when they are having to deal with unions.
If you had actually bothered to go to school you would know that exams are over by the end of June - so no-one will be either preparing for or actually sitting exams come the 10th July!!
How would he be expected to know when the exam period is over?


Come on.....answer!!!
Calm down son!
If he went to school he should know that exams are finished by the end of June and if he's going to comment on something it might be an idea to check - just as I did before commenting on his post! It really is that simple!!
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoveguyactually[/bold] wrote: And of course they have to strike at a time when most students are either taking or are preparing to take their exams. I hope those young people will remember that in the future, when they are having to deal with unions.[/p][/quote]If you had actually bothered to go to school you would know that exams are over by the end of June - so no-one will be either preparing for or actually sitting exams come the 10th July!![/p][/quote]How would he be expected to know when the exam period is over? Come on.....answer!!![/p][/quote]Calm down son! If he went to school he should know that exams are finished by the end of June and if he's going to comment on something it might be an idea to check - just as I did before commenting on his post! It really is that simple!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: 1

7:52pm Mon 23 Jun 14

brighton bluenose says...

stevo!! wrote:
"When you describe public service workers demonstrating about wages and conditions as 'commies' as you did earlier in this thread you are clearly incapable of 'debate' sunshine!!"

The strikes have been organised by left-wing trades unions, yes?

That makes them 'commies'.

HTH
I think you have just managed to reinforce my previous impression that you are a complete knob!!
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: "When you describe public service workers demonstrating about wages and conditions as 'commies' as you did earlier in this thread you are clearly incapable of 'debate' sunshine!!" The strikes have been organised by left-wing trades unions, yes? That makes them 'commies'. HTH[/p][/quote]I think you have just managed to reinforce my previous impression that you are a complete knob!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: 3

8:02pm Mon 23 Jun 14

BlackRocker says...

stevo!! wrote:
"When you describe public service workers demonstrating about wages and conditions as 'commies' as you did earlier in this thread you are clearly incapable of 'debate' sunshine!!"

The strikes have been organised by left-wing trades unions, yes?

That makes them 'commies'.

HTH
So, what 'C' word would you use to describe these people disrupting the lives of the much-quoted, hard-working British families?
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: "When you describe public service workers demonstrating about wages and conditions as 'commies' as you did earlier in this thread you are clearly incapable of 'debate' sunshine!!" The strikes have been organised by left-wing trades unions, yes? That makes them 'commies'. HTH[/p][/quote]So, what 'C' word would you use to describe these people disrupting the lives of the much-quoted, hard-working British families? BlackRocker
  • Score: 2

8:06pm Mon 23 Jun 14

daniio90 says...

And I want free parking at sussex uni as the tuition fees are high enough, but no one cares about students. We will just get arrested if we do something, but teachers can close the whole school / university camp and at the end will still get paid
And I want free parking at sussex uni as the tuition fees are high enough, but no one cares about students. We will just get arrested if we do something, but teachers can close the whole school / university camp and at the end will still get paid daniio90
  • Score: -5

8:08pm Mon 23 Jun 14

Be_Real says...

On the news this evening, one Union was reporting that it only had a 20% turnout on their strike ballot and because the had a majority of that sum voting in favour, the union has recommended strike action. If 80% are apathetic, then what is the point of calling for strike action? Sounds like the majority don't trust their own union to to represent them in the correct way!
On the news this evening, one Union was reporting that it only had a 20% turnout on their strike ballot and because the had a majority of that sum voting in favour, the union has recommended strike action. If 80% are apathetic, then what is the point of calling for strike action? Sounds like the majority don't trust their own union to to represent them in the correct way! Be_Real
  • Score: 7

8:11pm Mon 23 Jun 14

fredaj says...

VoxUnpopuli wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
Andy R wrote:
Loads of people in the private sector are getting wage rises.
Because they earn them.

Public sector workers endured handsome wage increases until the whole thing went belly-up in 2008.

Since then, there hadn't been the funds to increase pay from what was already artificially high.

Basically, these commies are upset at nothing.
So Firemen don't deserve a pay rise but you do? What happened in 2008 was that the Bankers lost all our money, not public sector workers. You wouldn't be a banker by any chance would you?
"deserve" is neither here not there but instead it is about affordability.

The state is broke and we are still borrowing hand over fist to pay for the commitments we already have.

It's unfortunate, but a private business cannot pay workers money it does not have and neither can the state.
[quote][p][bold]VoxUnpopuli[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: Loads of people in the private sector are getting wage rises.[/p][/quote]Because they earn them. Public sector workers endured handsome wage increases until the whole thing went belly-up in 2008. Since then, there hadn't been the funds to increase pay from what was already artificially high. Basically, these commies are upset at nothing.[/p][/quote]So Firemen don't deserve a pay rise but you do? What happened in 2008 was that the Bankers lost all our money, not public sector workers. You wouldn't be a banker by any chance would you?[/p][/quote]"deserve" is neither here not there but instead it is about affordability. The state is broke and we are still borrowing hand over fist to pay for the commitments we already have. It's unfortunate, but a private business cannot pay workers money it does not have and neither can the state. fredaj
  • Score: 2

8:34pm Mon 23 Jun 14

dingdong2 says...

Good - lets hope we all get a council tax refund for the days they're on strike.
Good - lets hope we all get a council tax refund for the days they're on strike. dingdong2
  • Score: 0

8:45pm Mon 23 Jun 14

DCCCCCC says...

NathanAdler wrote:
It has to be said:

Teachers: 13 weeks holiday, weekends off, finish by 4pm, good pension, not bad pay, good prospects.

Oh yes you have a degree don't you? Well so do most people nowadays who work in cafes or coffee bars it seems.

And you have to work beyond hours sometimes and do all that marking and prep. Whilst I appreciate this is hard, most jobs have out-of-hours working.

Teachers have an important position in society, nobody is denying that and it is a job I could never have done, but it is about time that they wake up and smell the coffee and realise they are not that special and their conditions are not that bad.

I bet my military pension as an ex-Captain is not as good as say a deputy heads pension, and I know as a today salary comparison deputy heads are on far more than Army Captains.

Get real teachers.
My hubby is a teacher. Got to work at 6.30 this morning as he does every morning and he is still working now. Finish by 4pm, where on earth do you get that from. 13 weeks leave? Cut that in half because of the schemes of work that have to be written, the preparation for the following year amongst other things. Drive by any school during these "13 weeks holiday" and I guarantee you will see teachers cars in the car parks as they are often in school working. I don't think any teacher I know would dispute the fact that many people have degrees and work in cafés and coffee bars. Why would they? What on earth makes you think that teachers think they are special? I knew this article would bring out all the teacher haters who actually don't have an absolute clue what teaching entails, not a clue.
[quote][p][bold]NathanAdler[/bold] wrote: It has to be said: Teachers: 13 weeks holiday, weekends off, finish by 4pm, good pension, not bad pay, good prospects. Oh yes you have a degree don't you? Well so do most people nowadays who work in cafes or coffee bars it seems. And you have to work beyond hours sometimes and do all that marking and prep. Whilst I appreciate this is hard, most jobs have out-of-hours working. Teachers have an important position in society, nobody is denying that and it is a job I could never have done, but it is about time that they wake up and smell the coffee and realise they are not that special and their conditions are not that bad. I bet my military pension as an ex-Captain is not as good as say a deputy heads pension, and I know as a today salary comparison deputy heads are on far more than Army Captains. Get real teachers.[/p][/quote]My hubby is a teacher. Got to work at 6.30 this morning as he does every morning and he is still working now. Finish by 4pm, where on earth do you get that from. 13 weeks leave? Cut that in half because of the schemes of work that have to be written, the preparation for the following year amongst other things. Drive by any school during these "13 weeks holiday" and I guarantee you will see teachers cars in the car parks as they are often in school working. I don't think any teacher I know would dispute the fact that many people have degrees and work in cafés and coffee bars. Why would they? What on earth makes you think that teachers think they are special? I knew this article would bring out all the teacher haters who actually don't have an absolute clue what teaching entails, not a clue. DCCCCCC
  • Score: 11

9:37pm Mon 23 Jun 14

Fight_Back says...

DCCCCCC wrote:
NathanAdler wrote:
It has to be said:

Teachers: 13 weeks holiday, weekends off, finish by 4pm, good pension, not bad pay, good prospects.

Oh yes you have a degree don't you? Well so do most people nowadays who work in cafes or coffee bars it seems.

And you have to work beyond hours sometimes and do all that marking and prep. Whilst I appreciate this is hard, most jobs have out-of-hours working.

Teachers have an important position in society, nobody is denying that and it is a job I could never have done, but it is about time that they wake up and smell the coffee and realise they are not that special and their conditions are not that bad.

I bet my military pension as an ex-Captain is not as good as say a deputy heads pension, and I know as a today salary comparison deputy heads are on far more than Army Captains.

Get real teachers.
My hubby is a teacher. Got to work at 6.30 this morning as he does every morning and he is still working now. Finish by 4pm, where on earth do you get that from. 13 weeks leave? Cut that in half because of the schemes of work that have to be written, the preparation for the following year amongst other things. Drive by any school during these "13 weeks holiday" and I guarantee you will see teachers cars in the car parks as they are often in school working. I don't think any teacher I know would dispute the fact that many people have degrees and work in cafés and coffee bars. Why would they? What on earth makes you think that teachers think they are special? I knew this article would bring out all the teacher haters who actually don't have an absolute clue what teaching entails, not a clue.
If you're seriously suggesting he works 70 hours a week I call you out as a liar. Firstly it would be illegal ( teacher contracts do not make them sign out of the working hours directive ). Secondly I know how many hours teachers work with an ex-wife, sister and cousin all whom are teachers. They are all paid well, don't work excessive hours and don't strike. It's clearly the failing teachers that decide to strike. Strange how they get all upset and righteous when you want to take your child out of school for a day but it's OK to 'disrupt' their education when it's their pay packet.
[quote][p][bold]DCCCCCC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NathanAdler[/bold] wrote: It has to be said: Teachers: 13 weeks holiday, weekends off, finish by 4pm, good pension, not bad pay, good prospects. Oh yes you have a degree don't you? Well so do most people nowadays who work in cafes or coffee bars it seems. And you have to work beyond hours sometimes and do all that marking and prep. Whilst I appreciate this is hard, most jobs have out-of-hours working. Teachers have an important position in society, nobody is denying that and it is a job I could never have done, but it is about time that they wake up and smell the coffee and realise they are not that special and their conditions are not that bad. I bet my military pension as an ex-Captain is not as good as say a deputy heads pension, and I know as a today salary comparison deputy heads are on far more than Army Captains. Get real teachers.[/p][/quote]My hubby is a teacher. Got to work at 6.30 this morning as he does every morning and he is still working now. Finish by 4pm, where on earth do you get that from. 13 weeks leave? Cut that in half because of the schemes of work that have to be written, the preparation for the following year amongst other things. Drive by any school during these "13 weeks holiday" and I guarantee you will see teachers cars in the car parks as they are often in school working. I don't think any teacher I know would dispute the fact that many people have degrees and work in cafés and coffee bars. Why would they? What on earth makes you think that teachers think they are special? I knew this article would bring out all the teacher haters who actually don't have an absolute clue what teaching entails, not a clue.[/p][/quote]If you're seriously suggesting he works 70 hours a week I call you out as a liar. Firstly it would be illegal ( teacher contracts do not make them sign out of the working hours directive ). Secondly I know how many hours teachers work with an ex-wife, sister and cousin all whom are teachers. They are all paid well, don't work excessive hours and don't strike. It's clearly the failing teachers that decide to strike. Strange how they get all upset and righteous when you want to take your child out of school for a day but it's OK to 'disrupt' their education when it's their pay packet. Fight_Back
  • Score: -8

10:03pm Mon 23 Jun 14

Roundbill says...

daniio90 wrote:
And I want free parking at sussex uni as the tuition fees are high enough, but no one cares about students. We will just get arrested if we do something, but teachers can close the whole school / university camp and at the end will still get paid
You were much funnier when you were posting as Green_Girl1990. Dah-ling, I hope you're not losing your comic edge...
#worriedface
[quote][p][bold]daniio90[/bold] wrote: And I want free parking at sussex uni as the tuition fees are high enough, but no one cares about students. We will just get arrested if we do something, but teachers can close the whole school / university camp and at the end will still get paid[/p][/quote]You were much funnier when you were posting as Green_Girl1990. Dah-ling, I hope you're not losing your comic edge... #worriedface Roundbill
  • Score: 3

10:14pm Mon 23 Jun 14

Gribbet says...

stevo!! wrote:
"When you describe public service workers demonstrating about wages and conditions as 'commies' as you did earlier in this thread you are clearly incapable of 'debate' sunshine!!"

The strikes have been organised by left-wing trades unions, yes?

That makes them 'commies'.

HTH
Oh god, he's regenerated again.
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: "When you describe public service workers demonstrating about wages and conditions as 'commies' as you did earlier in this thread you are clearly incapable of 'debate' sunshine!!" The strikes have been organised by left-wing trades unions, yes? That makes them 'commies'. HTH[/p][/quote]Oh god, he's regenerated again. Gribbet
  • Score: 3

10:33pm Mon 23 Jun 14

HJarrs says...

Fight_Back wrote:
DCCCCCC wrote:
NathanAdler wrote:
It has to be said:

Teachers: 13 weeks holiday, weekends off, finish by 4pm, good pension, not bad pay, good prospects.

Oh yes you have a degree don't you? Well so do most people nowadays who work in cafes or coffee bars it seems.

And you have to work beyond hours sometimes and do all that marking and prep. Whilst I appreciate this is hard, most jobs have out-of-hours working.

Teachers have an important position in society, nobody is denying that and it is a job I could never have done, but it is about time that they wake up and smell the coffee and realise they are not that special and their conditions are not that bad.

I bet my military pension as an ex-Captain is not as good as say a deputy heads pension, and I know as a today salary comparison deputy heads are on far more than Army Captains.

Get real teachers.
My hubby is a teacher. Got to work at 6.30 this morning as he does every morning and he is still working now. Finish by 4pm, where on earth do you get that from. 13 weeks leave? Cut that in half because of the schemes of work that have to be written, the preparation for the following year amongst other things. Drive by any school during these "13 weeks holiday" and I guarantee you will see teachers cars in the car parks as they are often in school working. I don't think any teacher I know would dispute the fact that many people have degrees and work in cafés and coffee bars. Why would they? What on earth makes you think that teachers think they are special? I knew this article would bring out all the teacher haters who actually don't have an absolute clue what teaching entails, not a clue.
If you're seriously suggesting he works 70 hours a week I call you out as a liar. Firstly it would be illegal ( teacher contracts do not make them sign out of the working hours directive ). Secondly I know how many hours teachers work with an ex-wife, sister and cousin all whom are teachers. They are all paid well, don't work excessive hours and don't strike. It's clearly the failing teachers that decide to strike. Strange how they get all upset and righteous when you want to take your child out of school for a day but it's OK to 'disrupt' their education when it's their pay packet.
I can see why they are an ex-wife.
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DCCCCCC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NathanAdler[/bold] wrote: It has to be said: Teachers: 13 weeks holiday, weekends off, finish by 4pm, good pension, not bad pay, good prospects. Oh yes you have a degree don't you? Well so do most people nowadays who work in cafes or coffee bars it seems. And you have to work beyond hours sometimes and do all that marking and prep. Whilst I appreciate this is hard, most jobs have out-of-hours working. Teachers have an important position in society, nobody is denying that and it is a job I could never have done, but it is about time that they wake up and smell the coffee and realise they are not that special and their conditions are not that bad. I bet my military pension as an ex-Captain is not as good as say a deputy heads pension, and I know as a today salary comparison deputy heads are on far more than Army Captains. Get real teachers.[/p][/quote]My hubby is a teacher. Got to work at 6.30 this morning as he does every morning and he is still working now. Finish by 4pm, where on earth do you get that from. 13 weeks leave? Cut that in half because of the schemes of work that have to be written, the preparation for the following year amongst other things. Drive by any school during these "13 weeks holiday" and I guarantee you will see teachers cars in the car parks as they are often in school working. I don't think any teacher I know would dispute the fact that many people have degrees and work in cafés and coffee bars. Why would they? What on earth makes you think that teachers think they are special? I knew this article would bring out all the teacher haters who actually don't have an absolute clue what teaching entails, not a clue.[/p][/quote]If you're seriously suggesting he works 70 hours a week I call you out as a liar. Firstly it would be illegal ( teacher contracts do not make them sign out of the working hours directive ). Secondly I know how many hours teachers work with an ex-wife, sister and cousin all whom are teachers. They are all paid well, don't work excessive hours and don't strike. It's clearly the failing teachers that decide to strike. Strange how they get all upset and righteous when you want to take your child out of school for a day but it's OK to 'disrupt' their education when it's their pay packet.[/p][/quote]I can see why they are an ex-wife. HJarrs
  • Score: 0

10:38pm Mon 23 Jun 14

HJarrs says...

I hope that the teachers, firefighters and Argus staff are successfull in there industrial disputes.

Most of us owe a debt of gratitude to organised labour that has fought tooth and nail to gradually improve the lot of ordinary people and it is a terrible shame that in recent years, we have allowed government and business to get away with destroying pensions, lowering wages and employment conditions.
I hope that the teachers, firefighters and Argus staff are successfull in there industrial disputes. Most of us owe a debt of gratitude to organised labour that has fought tooth and nail to gradually improve the lot of ordinary people and it is a terrible shame that in recent years, we have allowed government and business to get away with destroying pensions, lowering wages and employment conditions. HJarrs
  • Score: -4

10:44pm Mon 23 Jun 14

HJarrs says...

We love Red Billy wrote:
Well those of us in the private sector are not getting wage rises so why should they? Still living in some rose tinted 1970's workers paradise where everything is free................

.wake up chaps.
The wealthiest in the private sector did very well. Last year ftse directors got average pay rises of 7%, after including bonuses and other incentives they got 14%. The 99% of ordinary people should be livid. This small group of people are unbelievably over rewarded and are soaking the rest of us.
[quote][p][bold]We love Red Billy[/bold] wrote: Well those of us in the private sector are not getting wage rises so why should they? Still living in some rose tinted 1970's workers paradise where everything is free................ .wake up chaps.[/p][/quote]The wealthiest in the private sector did very well. Last year ftse directors got average pay rises of 7%, after including bonuses and other incentives they got 14%. The 99% of ordinary people should be livid. This small group of people are unbelievably over rewarded and are soaking the rest of us. HJarrs
  • Score: 6

11:21pm Mon 23 Jun 14

HJarrs says...

stevo!! wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
We love Red Billy wrote:
Well those of us in the private sector are not getting wage rises so why should they? Still living in some rose tinted 1970's workers paradise where everything is free................



.wake up chaps.
The wealthiest in the private sector did very well. Last year ftse directors got average pay rises of 7%, after including bonuses and other incentives they got 14%. The 99% of ordinary people should be livid. This small group of people are unbelievably over rewarded and are soaking the rest of us.
Actually, those people are EARNING their wages, as opposed to merely being given them.
So the employees of these companies work their backsides off for a pay freeze or at best a rise in line with inflation, while their bosses "earn" millions per year and award themselves eye watering pay rises! What rubbish. You are clearly just an appologist.
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]We love Red Billy[/bold] wrote: Well those of us in the private sector are not getting wage rises so why should they? Still living in some rose tinted 1970's workers paradise where everything is free................ .wake up chaps.[/p][/quote]The wealthiest in the private sector did very well. Last year ftse directors got average pay rises of 7%, after including bonuses and other incentives they got 14%. The 99% of ordinary people should be livid. This small group of people are unbelievably over rewarded and are soaking the rest of us.[/p][/quote]Actually, those people are EARNING their wages, as opposed to merely being given them.[/p][/quote]So the employees of these companies work their backsides off for a pay freeze or at best a rise in line with inflation, while their bosses "earn" millions per year and award themselves eye watering pay rises! What rubbish. You are clearly just an appologist. HJarrs
  • Score: 3

11:23pm Mon 23 Jun 14

HJarrs says...

stevo!! wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
I hope that the teachers, firefighters and Argus staff are successfull in there industrial disputes.

Most of us owe a debt of gratitude to organised labour that has fought tooth and nail to gradually improve the lot of ordinary people and it is a terrible shame that in recent years, we have allowed government and business to get away with destroying pensions, lowering wages and employment conditions.
And the times that trades unions ruined the lives of many of their members?

You'll be telling us next that Communism never killed anyone, lol......
Are you a bit weird? Trade unions have nothing to do with communism, they are democratic organisations answerable to their members.
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: I hope that the teachers, firefighters and Argus staff are successfull in there industrial disputes. Most of us owe a debt of gratitude to organised labour that has fought tooth and nail to gradually improve the lot of ordinary people and it is a terrible shame that in recent years, we have allowed government and business to get away with destroying pensions, lowering wages and employment conditions.[/p][/quote]And the times that trades unions ruined the lives of many of their members? You'll be telling us next that Communism never killed anyone, lol......[/p][/quote]Are you a bit weird? Trade unions have nothing to do with communism, they are democratic organisations answerable to their members. HJarrs
  • Score: 0

11:55pm Mon 23 Jun 14

Roundbill says...

Don't feed the troll, Leo.
Don't feed the troll, Leo. Roundbill
  • Score: 3

12:06am Tue 24 Jun 14

hubby says...

I am a teacher.
Teaching dominates my life.I never switch off from being a teacher.
It is a vocation.
I am a teacher. Teaching dominates my life.I never switch off from being a teacher. It is a vocation. hubby
  • Score: 3

2:03am Tue 24 Jun 14

fredaj says...

HJarrs wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
We love Red Billy wrote:
Well those of us in the private sector are not getting wage rises so why should they? Still living in some rose tinted 1970's workers paradise where everything is free................




.wake up chaps.
The wealthiest in the private sector did very well. Last year ftse directors got average pay rises of 7%, after including bonuses and other incentives they got 14%. The 99% of ordinary people should be livid. This small group of people are unbelievably over rewarded and are soaking the rest of us.
Actually, those people are EARNING their wages, as opposed to merely being given them.
So the employees of these companies work their backsides off for a pay freeze or at best a rise in line with inflation, while their bosses "earn" millions per year and award themselves eye watering pay rises! What rubbish. You are clearly just an appologist.
The vast majority of people employed in the private sector work for small and medium sized businesses.

No global corporations. No bosses earning millions.

Just small businesses working hard to earn enough to pay the wage bill and their taxes.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]We love Red Billy[/bold] wrote: Well those of us in the private sector are not getting wage rises so why should they? Still living in some rose tinted 1970's workers paradise where everything is free................ .wake up chaps.[/p][/quote]The wealthiest in the private sector did very well. Last year ftse directors got average pay rises of 7%, after including bonuses and other incentives they got 14%. The 99% of ordinary people should be livid. This small group of people are unbelievably over rewarded and are soaking the rest of us.[/p][/quote]Actually, those people are EARNING their wages, as opposed to merely being given them.[/p][/quote]So the employees of these companies work their backsides off for a pay freeze or at best a rise in line with inflation, while their bosses "earn" millions per year and award themselves eye watering pay rises! What rubbish. You are clearly just an appologist.[/p][/quote]The vast majority of people employed in the private sector work for small and medium sized businesses. No global corporations. No bosses earning millions. Just small businesses working hard to earn enough to pay the wage bill and their taxes. fredaj
  • Score: 3

2:13am Tue 24 Jun 14

fredaj says...

HJarrs wrote:
We love Red Billy wrote:
Well those of us in the private sector are not getting wage rises so why should they? Still living in some rose tinted 1970's workers paradise where everything is free................


.wake up chaps.
The wealthiest in the private sector did very well. Last year ftse directors got average pay rises of 7%, after including bonuses and other incentives they got 14%. The 99% of ordinary people should be livid. This small group of people are unbelievably over rewarded and are soaking the rest of us.
Why do the likes of your good self never get uppity about the amount of money footballers "earn" or the amount movie stars are paid?

Because that is completely and utterly disgusting.

But not a peep.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]We love Red Billy[/bold] wrote: Well those of us in the private sector are not getting wage rises so why should they? Still living in some rose tinted 1970's workers paradise where everything is free................ .wake up chaps.[/p][/quote]The wealthiest in the private sector did very well. Last year ftse directors got average pay rises of 7%, after including bonuses and other incentives they got 14%. The 99% of ordinary people should be livid. This small group of people are unbelievably over rewarded and are soaking the rest of us.[/p][/quote]Why do the likes of your good self never get uppity about the amount of money footballers "earn" or the amount movie stars are paid? Because that is completely and utterly disgusting. But not a peep. fredaj
  • Score: 1

2:25am Tue 24 Jun 14

fredaj says...

DCCCCCC wrote:
NathanAdler wrote:
It has to be said:

Teachers: 13 weeks holiday, weekends off, finish by 4pm, good pension, not bad pay, good prospects.

Oh yes you have a degree don't you? Well so do most people nowadays who work in cafes or coffee bars it seems.

And you have to work beyond hours sometimes and do all that marking and prep. Whilst I appreciate this is hard, most jobs have out-of-hours working.

Teachers have an important position in society, nobody is denying that and it is a job I could never have done, but it is about time that they wake up and smell the coffee and realise they are not that special and their conditions are not that bad.

I bet my military pension as an ex-Captain is not as good as say a deputy heads pension, and I know as a today salary comparison deputy heads are on far more than Army Captains.

Get real teachers.
My hubby is a teacher. Got to work at 6.30 this morning as he does every morning and he is still working now. Finish by 4pm, where on earth do you get that from. 13 weeks leave? Cut that in half because of the schemes of work that have to be written, the preparation for the following year amongst other things. Drive by any school during these "13 weeks holiday" and I guarantee you will see teachers cars in the car parks as they are often in school working. I don't think any teacher I know would dispute the fact that many people have degrees and work in cafés and coffee bars. Why would they? What on earth makes you think that teachers think they are special? I knew this article would bring out all the teacher haters who actually don't have an absolute clue what teaching entails, not a clue.
Why does your husband need to be at work by 6:30am? What does he do in that 90 minutes a day (7.5 hours a week), every week? And he was still working at 8:45pm? Doing what?

Schools give teachers free periods and long lunch breaks every day, so how is he spending all that time? Hours and hours a day, 20-25 hours every week, when he isn't actually in the classroom?

And then there is the 7 weeks you say he spends on "schemes of work" (whatever that means) during the holidays.

I am genuinely curious to know how he spends those hundred and hundreds of hours in a year.
[quote][p][bold]DCCCCCC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NathanAdler[/bold] wrote: It has to be said: Teachers: 13 weeks holiday, weekends off, finish by 4pm, good pension, not bad pay, good prospects. Oh yes you have a degree don't you? Well so do most people nowadays who work in cafes or coffee bars it seems. And you have to work beyond hours sometimes and do all that marking and prep. Whilst I appreciate this is hard, most jobs have out-of-hours working. Teachers have an important position in society, nobody is denying that and it is a job I could never have done, but it is about time that they wake up and smell the coffee and realise they are not that special and their conditions are not that bad. I bet my military pension as an ex-Captain is not as good as say a deputy heads pension, and I know as a today salary comparison deputy heads are on far more than Army Captains. Get real teachers.[/p][/quote]My hubby is a teacher. Got to work at 6.30 this morning as he does every morning and he is still working now. Finish by 4pm, where on earth do you get that from. 13 weeks leave? Cut that in half because of the schemes of work that have to be written, the preparation for the following year amongst other things. Drive by any school during these "13 weeks holiday" and I guarantee you will see teachers cars in the car parks as they are often in school working. I don't think any teacher I know would dispute the fact that many people have degrees and work in cafés and coffee bars. Why would they? What on earth makes you think that teachers think they are special? I knew this article would bring out all the teacher haters who actually don't have an absolute clue what teaching entails, not a clue.[/p][/quote]Why does your husband need to be at work by 6:30am? What does he do in that 90 minutes a day (7.5 hours a week), every week? And he was still working at 8:45pm? Doing what? Schools give teachers free periods and long lunch breaks every day, so how is he spending all that time? Hours and hours a day, 20-25 hours every week, when he isn't actually in the classroom? And then there is the 7 weeks you say he spends on "schemes of work" (whatever that means) during the holidays. I am genuinely curious to know how he spends those hundred and hundreds of hours in a year. fredaj
  • Score: -1

6:49am Tue 24 Jun 14

HJarrs says...

fredaj wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
We love Red Billy wrote:
Well those of us in the private sector are not getting wage rises so why should they? Still living in some rose tinted 1970's workers paradise where everything is free................





.wake up chaps.
The wealthiest in the private sector did very well. Last year ftse directors got average pay rises of 7%, after including bonuses and other incentives they got 14%. The 99% of ordinary people should be livid. This small group of people are unbelievably over rewarded and are soaking the rest of us.
Actually, those people are EARNING their wages, as opposed to merely being given them.
So the employees of these companies work their backsides off for a pay freeze or at best a rise in line with inflation, while their bosses "earn" millions per year and award themselves eye watering pay rises! What rubbish. You are clearly just an appologist.
The vast majority of people employed in the private sector work for small and medium sized businesses.

No global corporations. No bosses earning millions.

Just small businesses working hard to earn enough to pay the wage bill and their taxes.
Other than trying to deflect the argument, your point is?

My comment demonstrates that there are significant wage rises in the private sector for the wealthiest individuals of large corporations.

They benefit disproportionately, skimming profits that should either be invested in the business, paid out as higher wages for all employees or as higher dividends for owners.

The turnover and profit of a company is the product of all its employees, not just a few extortionately paid executives.
[quote][p][bold]fredaj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]We love Red Billy[/bold] wrote: Well those of us in the private sector are not getting wage rises so why should they? Still living in some rose tinted 1970's workers paradise where everything is free................ .wake up chaps.[/p][/quote]The wealthiest in the private sector did very well. Last year ftse directors got average pay rises of 7%, after including bonuses and other incentives they got 14%. The 99% of ordinary people should be livid. This small group of people are unbelievably over rewarded and are soaking the rest of us.[/p][/quote]Actually, those people are EARNING their wages, as opposed to merely being given them.[/p][/quote]So the employees of these companies work their backsides off for a pay freeze or at best a rise in line with inflation, while their bosses "earn" millions per year and award themselves eye watering pay rises! What rubbish. You are clearly just an appologist.[/p][/quote]The vast majority of people employed in the private sector work for small and medium sized businesses. No global corporations. No bosses earning millions. Just small businesses working hard to earn enough to pay the wage bill and their taxes.[/p][/quote]Other than trying to deflect the argument, your point is? My comment demonstrates that there are significant wage rises in the private sector for the wealthiest individuals of large corporations. They benefit disproportionately, skimming profits that should either be invested in the business, paid out as higher wages for all employees or as higher dividends for owners. The turnover and profit of a company is the product of all its employees, not just a few extortionately paid executives. HJarrs
  • Score: 3

6:59am Tue 24 Jun 14

HJarrs says...

fredaj wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
We love Red Billy wrote:
Well those of us in the private sector are not getting wage rises so why should they? Still living in some rose tinted 1970's workers paradise where everything is free................



.wake up chaps.
The wealthiest in the private sector did very well. Last year ftse directors got average pay rises of 7%, after including bonuses and other incentives they got 14%. The 99% of ordinary people should be livid. This small group of people are unbelievably over rewarded and are soaking the rest of us.
Why do the likes of your good self never get uppity about the amount of money footballers "earn" or the amount movie stars are paid?

Because that is completely and utterly disgusting.

But not a peep.
I have pointed out your very point many times over the years. That an elite group of footballers should become millionaires for kicking around a bit of air filled leather is wrong. Especially given the bankrupting business model of football. However, they are employees that are paid (who would turn down a top footballers rewards for just doing their job!).

Also, their wages continue to rise, making a mockery of Red Billy aka dealingwithidiots' original point. One rule for the wealthy, another for the rest.
[quote][p][bold]fredaj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]We love Red Billy[/bold] wrote: Well those of us in the private sector are not getting wage rises so why should they? Still living in some rose tinted 1970's workers paradise where everything is free................ .wake up chaps.[/p][/quote]The wealthiest in the private sector did very well. Last year ftse directors got average pay rises of 7%, after including bonuses and other incentives they got 14%. The 99% of ordinary people should be livid. This small group of people are unbelievably over rewarded and are soaking the rest of us.[/p][/quote]Why do the likes of your good self never get uppity about the amount of money footballers "earn" or the amount movie stars are paid? Because that is completely and utterly disgusting. But not a peep.[/p][/quote]I have pointed out your very point many times over the years. That an elite group of footballers should become millionaires for kicking around a bit of air filled leather is wrong. Especially given the bankrupting business model of football. However, they are employees that are paid (who would turn down a top footballers rewards for just doing their job!). Also, their wages continue to rise, making a mockery of Red Billy aka dealingwithidiots' original point. One rule for the wealthy, another for the rest. HJarrs
  • Score: 2

7:55am Tue 24 Jun 14

DCCCCCC says...

Fight_Back wrote:
DCCCCCC wrote:
NathanAdler wrote:
It has to be said:

Teachers: 13 weeks holiday, weekends off, finish by 4pm, good pension, not bad pay, good prospects.

Oh yes you have a degree don't you? Well so do most people nowadays who work in cafes or coffee bars it seems.

And you have to work beyond hours sometimes and do all that marking and prep. Whilst I appreciate this is hard, most jobs have out-of-hours working.

Teachers have an important position in society, nobody is denying that and it is a job I could never have done, but it is about time that they wake up and smell the coffee and realise they are not that special and their conditions are not that bad.

I bet my military pension as an ex-Captain is not as good as say a deputy heads pension, and I know as a today salary comparison deputy heads are on far more than Army Captains.

Get real teachers.
My hubby is a teacher. Got to work at 6.30 this morning as he does every morning and he is still working now. Finish by 4pm, where on earth do you get that from. 13 weeks leave? Cut that in half because of the schemes of work that have to be written, the preparation for the following year amongst other things. Drive by any school during these "13 weeks holiday" and I guarantee you will see teachers cars in the car parks as they are often in school working. I don't think any teacher I know would dispute the fact that many people have degrees and work in cafés and coffee bars. Why would they? What on earth makes you think that teachers think they are special? I knew this article would bring out all the teacher haters who actually don't have an absolute clue what teaching entails, not a clue.
If you're seriously suggesting he works 70 hours a week I call you out as a liar. Firstly it would be illegal ( teacher contracts do not make them sign out of the working hours directive ). Secondly I know how many hours teachers work with an ex-wife, sister and cousin all whom are teachers. They are all paid well, don't work excessive hours and don't strike. It's clearly the failing teachers that decide to strike. Strange how they get all upset and righteous when you want to take your child out of school for a day but it's OK to 'disrupt' their education when it's their pay packet.
Call me what you want. No it's not in his contract but to keep up with the huge workload, deliver good lessons to his students including differentiation, complete the enormous amount of admin work he has been burdened with, respond to parents correspondence, plan events, write risk assessments....I could go on and on. Time is not allowed in the working day to do these things. It's a full time job in itself. Lucky for the teachers you know who you say don't work excessive hours because of the many I know, they do. And by the way, my husband has never been on strike and will not take part in this next strike action. Reading your reply to my post, I can see why you have an ex wife. You know it all don't you!
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DCCCCCC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NathanAdler[/bold] wrote: It has to be said: Teachers: 13 weeks holiday, weekends off, finish by 4pm, good pension, not bad pay, good prospects. Oh yes you have a degree don't you? Well so do most people nowadays who work in cafes or coffee bars it seems. And you have to work beyond hours sometimes and do all that marking and prep. Whilst I appreciate this is hard, most jobs have out-of-hours working. Teachers have an important position in society, nobody is denying that and it is a job I could never have done, but it is about time that they wake up and smell the coffee and realise they are not that special and their conditions are not that bad. I bet my military pension as an ex-Captain is not as good as say a deputy heads pension, and I know as a today salary comparison deputy heads are on far more than Army Captains. Get real teachers.[/p][/quote]My hubby is a teacher. Got to work at 6.30 this morning as he does every morning and he is still working now. Finish by 4pm, where on earth do you get that from. 13 weeks leave? Cut that in half because of the schemes of work that have to be written, the preparation for the following year amongst other things. Drive by any school during these "13 weeks holiday" and I guarantee you will see teachers cars in the car parks as they are often in school working. I don't think any teacher I know would dispute the fact that many people have degrees and work in cafés and coffee bars. Why would they? What on earth makes you think that teachers think they are special? I knew this article would bring out all the teacher haters who actually don't have an absolute clue what teaching entails, not a clue.[/p][/quote]If you're seriously suggesting he works 70 hours a week I call you out as a liar. Firstly it would be illegal ( teacher contracts do not make them sign out of the working hours directive ). Secondly I know how many hours teachers work with an ex-wife, sister and cousin all whom are teachers. They are all paid well, don't work excessive hours and don't strike. It's clearly the failing teachers that decide to strike. Strange how they get all upset and righteous when you want to take your child out of school for a day but it's OK to 'disrupt' their education when it's their pay packet.[/p][/quote]Call me what you want. No it's not in his contract but to keep up with the huge workload, deliver good lessons to his students including differentiation, complete the enormous amount of admin work he has been burdened with, respond to parents correspondence, plan events, write risk assessments....I could go on and on. Time is not allowed in the working day to do these things. It's a full time job in itself. Lucky for the teachers you know who you say don't work excessive hours because of the many I know, they do. And by the way, my husband has never been on strike and will not take part in this next strike action. Reading your reply to my post, I can see why you have an ex wife. You know it all don't you! DCCCCCC
  • Score: 3

8:00am Tue 24 Jun 14

Plantpot says...

DCCCCCC wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
DCCCCCC wrote:
NathanAdler wrote:
It has to be said:

Teachers: 13 weeks holiday, weekends off, finish by 4pm, good pension, not bad pay, good prospects.

Oh yes you have a degree don't you? Well so do most people nowadays who work in cafes or coffee bars it seems.

And you have to work beyond hours sometimes and do all that marking and prep. Whilst I appreciate this is hard, most jobs have out-of-hours working.

Teachers have an important position in society, nobody is denying that and it is a job I could never have done, but it is about time that they wake up and smell the coffee and realise they are not that special and their conditions are not that bad.

I bet my military pension as an ex-Captain is not as good as say a deputy heads pension, and I know as a today salary comparison deputy heads are on far more than Army Captains.

Get real teachers.
My hubby is a teacher. Got to work at 6.30 this morning as he does every morning and he is still working now. Finish by 4pm, where on earth do you get that from. 13 weeks leave? Cut that in half because of the schemes of work that have to be written, the preparation for the following year amongst other things. Drive by any school during these "13 weeks holiday" and I guarantee you will see teachers cars in the car parks as they are often in school working. I don't think any teacher I know would dispute the fact that many people have degrees and work in cafés and coffee bars. Why would they? What on earth makes you think that teachers think they are special? I knew this article would bring out all the teacher haters who actually don't have an absolute clue what teaching entails, not a clue.
If you're seriously suggesting he works 70 hours a week I call you out as a liar. Firstly it would be illegal ( teacher contracts do not make them sign out of the working hours directive ). Secondly I know how many hours teachers work with an ex-wife, sister and cousin all whom are teachers. They are all paid well, don't work excessive hours and don't strike. It's clearly the failing teachers that decide to strike. Strange how they get all upset and righteous when you want to take your child out of school for a day but it's OK to 'disrupt' their education when it's their pay packet.
Call me what you want. No it's not in his contract but to keep up with the huge workload, deliver good lessons to his students including differentiation, complete the enormous amount of admin work he has been burdened with, respond to parents correspondence, plan events, write risk assessments....I could go on and on. Time is not allowed in the working day to do these things. It's a full time job in itself. Lucky for the teachers you know who you say don't work excessive hours because of the many I know, they do. And by the way, my husband has never been on strike and will not take part in this next strike action. Reading your reply to my post, I can see why you have an ex wife. You know it all don't you!
If it's that bad, just get another job. If he enjoys it, and spending time away from his family, don't complain.
[quote][p][bold]DCCCCCC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DCCCCCC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NathanAdler[/bold] wrote: It has to be said: Teachers: 13 weeks holiday, weekends off, finish by 4pm, good pension, not bad pay, good prospects. Oh yes you have a degree don't you? Well so do most people nowadays who work in cafes or coffee bars it seems. And you have to work beyond hours sometimes and do all that marking and prep. Whilst I appreciate this is hard, most jobs have out-of-hours working. Teachers have an important position in society, nobody is denying that and it is a job I could never have done, but it is about time that they wake up and smell the coffee and realise they are not that special and their conditions are not that bad. I bet my military pension as an ex-Captain is not as good as say a deputy heads pension, and I know as a today salary comparison deputy heads are on far more than Army Captains. Get real teachers.[/p][/quote]My hubby is a teacher. Got to work at 6.30 this morning as he does every morning and he is still working now. Finish by 4pm, where on earth do you get that from. 13 weeks leave? Cut that in half because of the schemes of work that have to be written, the preparation for the following year amongst other things. Drive by any school during these "13 weeks holiday" and I guarantee you will see teachers cars in the car parks as they are often in school working. I don't think any teacher I know would dispute the fact that many people have degrees and work in cafés and coffee bars. Why would they? What on earth makes you think that teachers think they are special? I knew this article would bring out all the teacher haters who actually don't have an absolute clue what teaching entails, not a clue.[/p][/quote]If you're seriously suggesting he works 70 hours a week I call you out as a liar. Firstly it would be illegal ( teacher contracts do not make them sign out of the working hours directive ). Secondly I know how many hours teachers work with an ex-wife, sister and cousin all whom are teachers. They are all paid well, don't work excessive hours and don't strike. It's clearly the failing teachers that decide to strike. Strange how they get all upset and righteous when you want to take your child out of school for a day but it's OK to 'disrupt' their education when it's their pay packet.[/p][/quote]Call me what you want. No it's not in his contract but to keep up with the huge workload, deliver good lessons to his students including differentiation, complete the enormous amount of admin work he has been burdened with, respond to parents correspondence, plan events, write risk assessments....I could go on and on. Time is not allowed in the working day to do these things. It's a full time job in itself. Lucky for the teachers you know who you say don't work excessive hours because of the many I know, they do. And by the way, my husband has never been on strike and will not take part in this next strike action. Reading your reply to my post, I can see why you have an ex wife. You know it all don't you![/p][/quote]If it's that bad, just get another job. If he enjoys it, and spending time away from his family, don't complain. Plantpot
  • Score: -3

8:12am Tue 24 Jun 14

Plantpot says...

HJarrs wrote:
fredaj wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
We love Red Billy wrote:
Well those of us in the private sector are not getting wage rises so why should they? Still living in some rose tinted 1970's workers paradise where everything is free................






.wake up chaps.
The wealthiest in the private sector did very well. Last year ftse directors got average pay rises of 7%, after including bonuses and other incentives they got 14%. The 99% of ordinary people should be livid. This small group of people are unbelievably over rewarded and are soaking the rest of us.
Actually, those people are EARNING their wages, as opposed to merely being given them.
So the employees of these companies work their backsides off for a pay freeze or at best a rise in line with inflation, while their bosses "earn" millions per year and award themselves eye watering pay rises! What rubbish. You are clearly just an appologist.
The vast majority of people employed in the private sector work for small and medium sized businesses.

No global corporations. No bosses earning millions.

Just small businesses working hard to earn enough to pay the wage bill and their taxes.
Other than trying to deflect the argument, your point is?

My comment demonstrates that there are significant wage rises in the private sector for the wealthiest individuals of large corporations.

They benefit disproportionately, skimming profits that should either be invested in the business, paid out as higher wages for all employees or as higher dividends for owners.

The turnover and profit of a company is the product of all its employees, not just a few extortionately paid executives.
The nature of the private sector is aspirational. I certainly don't want to be told by some leftie what I am to earn and how much I should give to someone else.

The individuals whom you decry pay enormous amounts of income tax - the top 1% of earners pay 1/3 of ALL income tax, and this number is only getting higher as the coalition suck ever more cash into tax. You may remember that this year that there was a record increase in taxes collected to the tune of £23.9 billion. https://www.gov.uk/g
overnment/uploads/sy
stem/uploads/attachm
ent_data/file/314441
/hmrc_fast_facts_acc
essible.pdf

You may also remember that more lower paid people no longer pay tax and there is discounted income tax for many in the form of credits (yet more hand outs).

I would take a pretty good guess that there are a huge number of people, including many striking soon, that will never make any form of financial contribution to society.

Where do you think public money comes from? The private sector. And that's it. Public sector employees tax is simply recycled private money. When you ask for more £, you are simply asking private business for bigger handouts. Maybe the union leaders could show some solidarity by reducing their fat cat packages to average wages in the UK?
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fredaj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]We love Red Billy[/bold] wrote: Well those of us in the private sector are not getting wage rises so why should they? Still living in some rose tinted 1970's workers paradise where everything is free................ .wake up chaps.[/p][/quote]The wealthiest in the private sector did very well. Last year ftse directors got average pay rises of 7%, after including bonuses and other incentives they got 14%. The 99% of ordinary people should be livid. This small group of people are unbelievably over rewarded and are soaking the rest of us.[/p][/quote]Actually, those people are EARNING their wages, as opposed to merely being given them.[/p][/quote]So the employees of these companies work their backsides off for a pay freeze or at best a rise in line with inflation, while their bosses "earn" millions per year and award themselves eye watering pay rises! What rubbish. You are clearly just an appologist.[/p][/quote]The vast majority of people employed in the private sector work for small and medium sized businesses. No global corporations. No bosses earning millions. Just small businesses working hard to earn enough to pay the wage bill and their taxes.[/p][/quote]Other than trying to deflect the argument, your point is? My comment demonstrates that there are significant wage rises in the private sector for the wealthiest individuals of large corporations. They benefit disproportionately, skimming profits that should either be invested in the business, paid out as higher wages for all employees or as higher dividends for owners. The turnover and profit of a company is the product of all its employees, not just a few extortionately paid executives.[/p][/quote]The nature of the private sector is aspirational. I certainly don't want to be told by some leftie what I am to earn and how much I should give to someone else. The individuals whom you decry pay enormous amounts of income tax - the top 1% of earners pay 1/3 of ALL income tax, and this number is only getting higher as the coalition suck ever more cash into tax. You may remember that this year that there was a record increase in taxes collected to the tune of £23.9 billion. https://www.gov.uk/g overnment/uploads/sy stem/uploads/attachm ent_data/file/314441 /hmrc_fast_facts_acc essible.pdf You may also remember that more lower paid people no longer pay tax and there is discounted income tax for many in the form of credits (yet more hand outs). I would take a pretty good guess that there are a huge number of people, including many striking soon, that will never make any form of financial contribution to society. Where do you think public money comes from? The private sector. And that's it. Public sector employees tax is simply recycled private money. When you ask for more £, you are simply asking private business for bigger handouts. Maybe the union leaders could show some solidarity by reducing their fat cat packages to average wages in the UK? Plantpot
  • Score: 1

8:48am Tue 24 Jun 14

HJarrs says...

Plantpot wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
fredaj wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
We love Red Billy wrote:
Well those of us in the private sector are not getting wage rises so why should they? Still living in some rose tinted 1970's workers paradise where everything is free................







.wake up chaps.
The wealthiest in the private sector did very well. Last year ftse directors got average pay rises of 7%, after including bonuses and other incentives they got 14%. The 99% of ordinary people should be livid. This small group of people are unbelievably over rewarded and are soaking the rest of us.
Actually, those people are EARNING their wages, as opposed to merely being given them.
So the employees of these companies work their backsides off for a pay freeze or at best a rise in line with inflation, while their bosses "earn" millions per year and award themselves eye watering pay rises! What rubbish. You are clearly just an appologist.
The vast majority of people employed in the private sector work for small and medium sized businesses.

No global corporations. No bosses earning millions.

Just small businesses working hard to earn enough to pay the wage bill and their taxes.
Other than trying to deflect the argument, your point is?

My comment demonstrates that there are significant wage rises in the private sector for the wealthiest individuals of large corporations.

They benefit disproportionately, skimming profits that should either be invested in the business, paid out as higher wages for all employees or as higher dividends for owners.

The turnover and profit of a company is the product of all its employees, not just a few extortionately paid executives.
The nature of the private sector is aspirational. I certainly don't want to be told by some leftie what I am to earn and how much I should give to someone else.

The individuals whom you decry pay enormous amounts of income tax - the top 1% of earners pay 1/3 of ALL income tax, and this number is only getting higher as the coalition suck ever more cash into tax. You may remember that this year that there was a record increase in taxes collected to the tune of £23.9 billion. https://www.gov.uk/g

overnment/uploads/sy

stem/uploads/attachm

ent_data/file/314441

/hmrc_fast_facts_acc

essible.pdf

You may also remember that more lower paid people no longer pay tax and there is discounted income tax for many in the form of credits (yet more hand outs).

I would take a pretty good guess that there are a huge number of people, including many striking soon, that will never make any form of financial contribution to society.

Where do you think public money comes from? The private sector. And that's it. Public sector employees tax is simply recycled private money. When you ask for more £, you are simply asking private business for bigger handouts. Maybe the union leaders could show some solidarity by reducing their fat cat packages to average wages in the UK?
The great argument of the richest. Make us richer and we will pay more tax! Many in the city arrogantly said the same thing after the crash in 2008.

That so many jobs are so poorly that they have to be subsidised by the state is a disgrace.
[quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fredaj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]We love Red Billy[/bold] wrote: Well those of us in the private sector are not getting wage rises so why should they? Still living in some rose tinted 1970's workers paradise where everything is free................ .wake up chaps.[/p][/quote]The wealthiest in the private sector did very well. Last year ftse directors got average pay rises of 7%, after including bonuses and other incentives they got 14%. The 99% of ordinary people should be livid. This small group of people are unbelievably over rewarded and are soaking the rest of us.[/p][/quote]Actually, those people are EARNING their wages, as opposed to merely being given them.[/p][/quote]So the employees of these companies work their backsides off for a pay freeze or at best a rise in line with inflation, while their bosses "earn" millions per year and award themselves eye watering pay rises! What rubbish. You are clearly just an appologist.[/p][/quote]The vast majority of people employed in the private sector work for small and medium sized businesses. No global corporations. No bosses earning millions. Just small businesses working hard to earn enough to pay the wage bill and their taxes.[/p][/quote]Other than trying to deflect the argument, your point is? My comment demonstrates that there are significant wage rises in the private sector for the wealthiest individuals of large corporations. They benefit disproportionately, skimming profits that should either be invested in the business, paid out as higher wages for all employees or as higher dividends for owners. The turnover and profit of a company is the product of all its employees, not just a few extortionately paid executives.[/p][/quote]The nature of the private sector is aspirational. I certainly don't want to be told by some leftie what I am to earn and how much I should give to someone else. The individuals whom you decry pay enormous amounts of income tax - the top 1% of earners pay 1/3 of ALL income tax, and this number is only getting higher as the coalition suck ever more cash into tax. You may remember that this year that there was a record increase in taxes collected to the tune of £23.9 billion. https://www.gov.uk/g overnment/uploads/sy stem/uploads/attachm ent_data/file/314441 /hmrc_fast_facts_acc essible.pdf You may also remember that more lower paid people no longer pay tax and there is discounted income tax for many in the form of credits (yet more hand outs). I would take a pretty good guess that there are a huge number of people, including many striking soon, that will never make any form of financial contribution to society. Where do you think public money comes from? The private sector. And that's it. Public sector employees tax is simply recycled private money. When you ask for more £, you are simply asking private business for bigger handouts. Maybe the union leaders could show some solidarity by reducing their fat cat packages to average wages in the UK?[/p][/quote]The great argument of the richest. Make us richer and we will pay more tax! Many in the city arrogantly said the same thing after the crash in 2008. That so many jobs are so poorly that they have to be subsidised by the state is a disgrace. HJarrs
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