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Seafront road works will continue until the end of July

The Argus: Seafront road works will continue until the end of July Seafront road works will continue until the end of July

SEAFRONT roadworks due to end today will continue until the end of July – if not longer.

Council chiefs admitted last night repairs to the arches beneath King’s Road following the collapse above The Fortune of War pub in Brighton will continue for at least four weeks.

They have also for the first time revealed the reason for the collapse as “historic alterations to premises in the arches”.

The news of another four weeks of roadworks will mean more misery for tourists and seafront traders who initially thought today would spell the end of the problem.

Brighton and Hove City Council gave an estimate of eight weeks in April but last month admitted they did not know when the works would be complete.

The collapse took place on April 25, after rubble fell through into the pub’s back room.

Businesses say the works have been “devastating” for trade.

A spokesman for Little Bay restaurant, based right next to the area where the collapse took place, said: “The effects of this incident on our restaurant have been devastating.

“Our restaurant has suffered a massive loss of sales as customers are avoiding the area. It is ruining our business.”

The Fortune Of War’s assistant manager, Aaron Kemp, said he feared the works would continue for longer for four weeks.

He said: “I personally think the works could last about eight weeks.”

The pub’s landlord Laurence Hill previously told The Argus the last works on the arches were carried out “in the days of horse and cart”.

Councillor Warren Morgan, leader of the Labour and Co-operative group on the council, said: “The Greens running the council need to get the area cleaned up so that residents and tourists are not put off visiting seafront businesses.”

The council’s executive director for environment, development and housing Geoff Raw said: “We’ve now completed a full investigation and due to the very complex nature of the repairs we have revised our best estimation for finishing the work to the end of July.”

Currently, drivers travelling westbound on the A259 cannot turn up West Street and the road down from the Clock Tower is closed.

Meanwhile, the Unchain The Brighton Motorist group is concerned about roadworks on Edward Street in Brighton, which are due to end this November.

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6:12am Fri 27 Jun 14

rogerthefish says...

Nobody has worked on these for weeks, I also know someone in the fortunes of war and nobody has been there for weeks, I tend to phone up the council when stuck in the jam (good idea we all do) and ask they fob you off with surveys etc and say will investigate and return call -ii've told them many times that bags should be placed over the traffic lights that are stopping traffic for no reason but alas nothing has happened, the bottom line is the council of Brighton do not give a fig about us why they sit in their ivory towers.
Nobody has worked on these for weeks, I also know someone in the fortunes of war and nobody has been there for weeks, I tend to phone up the council when stuck in the jam (good idea we all do) and ask they fob you off with surveys etc and say will investigate and return call -ii've told them many times that bags should be placed over the traffic lights that are stopping traffic for no reason but alas nothing has happened, the bottom line is the council of Brighton do not give a fig about us why they sit in their ivory towers. rogerthefish
  • Score: 76

6:26am Fri 27 Jun 14

rogerthefish says...

by the way the councils number is 01273290000
by the way the councils number is 01273290000 rogerthefish
  • Score: 41

7:09am Fri 27 Jun 14

vivahate says...

Took me an hour to get home from work the other day... Journey normally takes 15 minutes.

Another appalingly miss managed effort from this incompetant council.

Why do I never see any builders working here as well?

Useless.
Took me an hour to get home from work the other day... Journey normally takes 15 minutes. Another appalingly miss managed effort from this incompetant council. Why do I never see any builders working here as well? Useless. vivahate
  • Score: 48

7:45am Fri 27 Jun 14

Jetsamandflotsam says...

There appears to be a (council?) policy of slowing down road repairs and causing maximum disruption possible. Whilst the seafront works may be unexpected and need the correct amount of surveying before starting, have a look at the 'works' alone Edward Street. These are planned works, which half the road has been closed off for are causing massive disruption with all the side roads blocked. Yet the "work" is happening at an absolute snails pace.
On the other hand, look how quickly the storm damaged rail line at Dawlish was repaired, a massive unexpected repair done in no time.
Is it policy or incompetence?
There appears to be a (council?) policy of slowing down road repairs and causing maximum disruption possible. Whilst the seafront works may be unexpected and need the correct amount of surveying before starting, have a look at the 'works' alone Edward Street. These are planned works, which half the road has been closed off for are causing massive disruption with all the side roads blocked. Yet the "work" is happening at an absolute snails pace. On the other hand, look how quickly the storm damaged rail line at Dawlish was repaired, a massive unexpected repair done in no time. Is it policy or incompetence? Jetsamandflotsam
  • Score: 41

7:48am Fri 27 Jun 14

Old Ale Man says...

It'll only take 4 weeks, thats only if work starts today, we never see anyone working there!!
Its a green traffic calming measure!!
Any financial business losses can be claimed from the Council.
It'll only take 4 weeks, thats only if work starts today, we never see anyone working there!! Its a green traffic calming measure!! Any financial business losses can be claimed from the Council. Old Ale Man
  • Score: 33

8:07am Fri 27 Jun 14

worthingite says...

'Exclusive' My oh my, what a scoop......
'Exclusive' My oh my, what a scoop...... worthingite
  • Score: -6

8:17am Fri 27 Jun 14

Fozborn says...

The mismanagement of this situation is symptomatic of the complete ineptitude of the people responsible for keeping traffic moving in Brighton & Hove. Geoff Raw (no doubt the recipient of a 6 figure salary) and his department need a complete shake up. 9 weeks on and there is no urgency to tackle these repairs. Repairs only needed as a result of insufficient maintenance.
In 1994 Los Angeles suffered a major earthquake with catastrophic damage to the city's highway flyovers. They reopened after 66 days because there was a political will to resolve the problem. The contractors were incentivised to complete the work quickly .
In Brighton a small collapse looks like leading to a road closure that will last 90 plus days.
Oh and then there is Edward Street. A bit I of pavement widening, painting some lines on a road and works to the central reservation on a stretch of road measuring 600(?) yards is taking best part of a year. How much is this all costing? Does anybody actually want this work? Looks like the contractors are leading us all an "RJ merry Dance".
The mismanagement of this situation is symptomatic of the complete ineptitude of the people responsible for keeping traffic moving in Brighton & Hove. Geoff Raw (no doubt the recipient of a 6 figure salary) and his department need a complete shake up. 9 weeks on and there is no urgency to tackle these repairs. Repairs only needed as a result of insufficient maintenance. In 1994 Los Angeles suffered a major earthquake with catastrophic damage to the city's highway flyovers. They reopened after 66 days because there was a political will to resolve the problem. The contractors were incentivised to complete the work quickly . In Brighton a small collapse looks like leading to a road closure that will last 90 plus days. Oh and then there is Edward Street. A bit I of pavement widening, painting some lines on a road and works to the central reservation on a stretch of road measuring 600(?) yards is taking best part of a year. How much is this all costing? Does anybody actually want this work? Looks like the contractors are leading us all an "RJ merry Dance". Fozborn
  • Score: 38

8:20am Fri 27 Jun 14

Fercri Sakes says...

The Green Party's unwillingness to consider building a temporary mile long concrete flyover to alleviate the traffic just shows how much they hate car drivers. Forget the tourist industry, the local economy and long-term planning for the city, the councils priority should be to allow car drivers to travel from pier to pier in under a minute. Anything more than that just cries of city-destroying Marxism shown by the Greens.

Also, if UKIP ran the council these repairs would have taken just a day to complete. I have this inside knowledge from an actual builder who I have personally seen fix Mrs Tibbins next door's leaky guttering round the back in under three hours. Take that, Greenies!
The Green Party's unwillingness to consider building a temporary mile long concrete flyover to alleviate the traffic just shows how much they hate car drivers. Forget the tourist industry, the local economy and long-term planning for the city, the councils priority should be to allow car drivers to travel from pier to pier in under a minute. Anything more than that just cries of city-destroying Marxism shown by the Greens. Also, if UKIP ran the council these repairs would have taken just a day to complete. I have this inside knowledge from an actual builder who I have personally seen fix Mrs Tibbins next door's leaky guttering round the back in under three hours. Take that, Greenies! Fercri Sakes
  • Score: -6

8:42am Fri 27 Jun 14

brightonian57 says...

When you consider how long it has taken to put what is basically a path from Woodbourne Avenue to Old Boat corner, it shows that the idiots in power don't employ particularly fast contractors. I'm not surprised that to repair something that takes all weights and types of road traffic is taking so long. The council should hang their head in shame at the time it takes them to do anything, except for lending huge quantities of other peoples, the council tax payers, money to people who want to to built an unwanted fairground attraction that will almost certainly fail. Roll on 2015
When you consider how long it has taken to put what is basically a path from Woodbourne Avenue to Old Boat corner, it shows that the idiots in power don't employ particularly fast contractors. I'm not surprised that to repair something that takes all weights and types of road traffic is taking so long. The council should hang their head in shame at the time it takes them to do anything, except for lending huge quantities of other peoples, the council tax payers, money to people who want to to built an unwanted fairground attraction that will almost certainly fail. Roll on 2015 brightonian57
  • Score: 32

9:34am Fri 27 Jun 14

Joshiman says...

rogerthefish wrote:
Nobody has worked on these for weeks, I also know someone in the fortunes of war and nobody has been there for weeks, I tend to phone up the council when stuck in the jam (good idea we all do) and ask they fob you off with surveys etc and say will investigate and return call -ii've told them many times that bags should be placed over the traffic lights that are stopping traffic for no reason but alas nothing has happened, the bottom line is the council of Brighton do not give a fig about us why they sit in their ivory towers.
Would help if the builders put in a full days work.No doubt Tax payers ripped off again.Dept in charge are clueless.
Totally agree with above quote.A little common sense from the Council such as bags over traffic lights would help alleviate the nightmare traffic jams
[quote][p][bold]rogerthefish[/bold] wrote: Nobody has worked on these for weeks, I also know someone in the fortunes of war and nobody has been there for weeks, I tend to phone up the council when stuck in the jam (good idea we all do) and ask they fob you off with surveys etc and say will investigate and return call -ii've told them many times that bags should be placed over the traffic lights that are stopping traffic for no reason but alas nothing has happened, the bottom line is the council of Brighton do not give a fig about us why they sit in their ivory towers.[/p][/quote]Would help if the builders put in a full days work.No doubt Tax payers ripped off again.Dept in charge are clueless. Totally agree with above quote.A little common sense from the Council such as bags over traffic lights would help alleviate the nightmare traffic jams Joshiman
  • Score: 22

9:59am Fri 27 Jun 14

Max Ripple says...

Fozborn wrote:
The mismanagement of this situation is symptomatic of the complete ineptitude of the people responsible for keeping traffic moving in Brighton & Hove. Geoff Raw (no doubt the recipient of a 6 figure salary) and his department need a complete shake up. 9 weeks on and there is no urgency to tackle these repairs. Repairs only needed as a result of insufficient maintenance.
In 1994 Los Angeles suffered a major earthquake with catastrophic damage to the city's highway flyovers. They reopened after 66 days because there was a political will to resolve the problem. The contractors were incentivised to complete the work quickly .
In Brighton a small collapse looks like leading to a road closure that will last 90 plus days.
Oh and then there is Edward Street. A bit I of pavement widening, painting some lines on a road and works to the central reservation on a stretch of road measuring 600(?) yards is taking best part of a year. How much is this all costing? Does anybody actually want this work? Looks like the contractors are leading us all an "RJ merry Dance".
The longer these works take and the slower the traffic moves, the more the Green administration can say that our roads are clogged up with nasty cars and should therefore be made to stay out of the city. More traffic jams is manna to their message.
[quote][p][bold]Fozborn[/bold] wrote: The mismanagement of this situation is symptomatic of the complete ineptitude of the people responsible for keeping traffic moving in Brighton & Hove. Geoff Raw (no doubt the recipient of a 6 figure salary) and his department need a complete shake up. 9 weeks on and there is no urgency to tackle these repairs. Repairs only needed as a result of insufficient maintenance. In 1994 Los Angeles suffered a major earthquake with catastrophic damage to the city's highway flyovers. They reopened after 66 days because there was a political will to resolve the problem. The contractors were incentivised to complete the work quickly . In Brighton a small collapse looks like leading to a road closure that will last 90 plus days. Oh and then there is Edward Street. A bit I of pavement widening, painting some lines on a road and works to the central reservation on a stretch of road measuring 600(?) yards is taking best part of a year. How much is this all costing? Does anybody actually want this work? Looks like the contractors are leading us all an "RJ merry Dance".[/p][/quote]The longer these works take and the slower the traffic moves, the more the Green administration can say that our roads are clogged up with nasty cars and should therefore be made to stay out of the city. More traffic jams is manna to their message. Max Ripple
  • Score: 20

10:01am Fri 27 Jun 14

hovian says...

EVERY summer for the past few years they have dug up the seafront road - for one reason or another - and when I queried this last year the council told me their computer model predicts summertime is the least busy time of year!!! Admittedly the latest works were unforeseen - but we've all had enough of this council's endless incompetence when it comes to managing just about ANYTHING..Another nail in the coffin for this Green council -
EVERY summer for the past few years they have dug up the seafront road - for one reason or another - and when I queried this last year the council told me their computer model predicts summertime is the least busy time of year!!! Admittedly the latest works were unforeseen - but we've all had enough of this council's endless incompetence when it comes to managing just about ANYTHING..Another nail in the coffin for this Green council - hovian
  • Score: 26

10:23am Fri 27 Jun 14

Martha Gunn says...

Of course there is a degree of unpredictability about these projects but...

has anyone ever seen more than one person working on the Eastern Road folly?

This particular vanity project seems to be pretty well unstaffed.
Of course there is a degree of unpredictability about these projects but... has anyone ever seen more than one person working on the Eastern Road folly? This particular vanity project seems to be pretty well unstaffed. Martha Gunn
  • Score: 36

10:41am Fri 27 Jun 14

paul76 says...

Totally agree with all the comments. I have never ever seen anyone at the road collaspse scene working on it. Someone has chucked a bag of ready mixed tar into the hole to plug it, but that is it. It will stay like that all summer to cause jams.

Nobody seems to have even dug around the collapse to check the state of the arches and what is required to correct it.

With the traffic lights that are uncovered, i believe this is too allow people to cross the road, however, there is a perfectly good subway which runs directly under the road crossing. Why not shut that road crossing and tell people to use the subway or walk a short distance to the next set of lights to cross the road?

And as for Edward Street. Nobody ever works there. Traffic jams are huge and will be the same when the works eventually are completed. And to top it off, hardly anybody cycles up or down Edward Street anyway.
Totally agree with all the comments. I have never ever seen anyone at the road collaspse scene working on it. Someone has chucked a bag of ready mixed tar into the hole to plug it, but that is it. It will stay like that all summer to cause jams. Nobody seems to have even dug around the collapse to check the state of the arches and what is required to correct it. With the traffic lights that are uncovered, i believe this is too allow people to cross the road, however, there is a perfectly good subway which runs directly under the road crossing. Why not shut that road crossing and tell people to use the subway or walk a short distance to the next set of lights to cross the road? And as for Edward Street. Nobody ever works there. Traffic jams are huge and will be the same when the works eventually are completed. And to top it off, hardly anybody cycles up or down Edward Street anyway. paul76
  • Score: 20

10:50am Fri 27 Jun 14

ruberducker says...

They have forgot about the bridge in cromwell/wilbury.
They have forgot about the bridge in cromwell/wilbury. ruberducker
  • Score: 9

11:32am Fri 27 Jun 14

brighton bluenose says...

paul76 wrote:
Totally agree with all the comments. I have never ever seen anyone at the road collaspse scene working on it. Someone has chucked a bag of ready mixed tar into the hole to plug it, but that is it. It will stay like that all summer to cause jams.

Nobody seems to have even dug around the collapse to check the state of the arches and what is required to correct it.

With the traffic lights that are uncovered, i believe this is too allow people to cross the road, however, there is a perfectly good subway which runs directly under the road crossing. Why not shut that road crossing and tell people to use the subway or walk a short distance to the next set of lights to cross the road?

And as for Edward Street. Nobody ever works there. Traffic jams are huge and will be the same when the works eventually are completed. And to top it off, hardly anybody cycles up or down Edward Street anyway.
Usual nonsensical guff from the moanerati who havent got a clue what is going on behind the scenes or an understanding of the extent, complexities and co-ordination of the survey work required in the Arches probably along the length of the Kings Road which will involve numerous contractors, consultants, local agencies and service providers and then the planning of what could be major works - but if a serious incident or fatality DID happen they would then be gnashing their teeth as usual at.......the 'incompetent green council'!! You couldn't make it up!
[quote][p][bold]paul76[/bold] wrote: Totally agree with all the comments. I have never ever seen anyone at the road collaspse scene working on it. Someone has chucked a bag of ready mixed tar into the hole to plug it, but that is it. It will stay like that all summer to cause jams. Nobody seems to have even dug around the collapse to check the state of the arches and what is required to correct it. With the traffic lights that are uncovered, i believe this is too allow people to cross the road, however, there is a perfectly good subway which runs directly under the road crossing. Why not shut that road crossing and tell people to use the subway or walk a short distance to the next set of lights to cross the road? And as for Edward Street. Nobody ever works there. Traffic jams are huge and will be the same when the works eventually are completed. And to top it off, hardly anybody cycles up or down Edward Street anyway.[/p][/quote]Usual nonsensical guff from the moanerati who havent got a clue what is going on behind the scenes or an understanding of the extent, complexities and co-ordination of the survey work required in the Arches probably along the length of the Kings Road which will involve numerous contractors, consultants, local agencies and service providers and then the planning of what could be major works - but if a serious incident or fatality DID happen they would then be gnashing their teeth as usual at.......the 'incompetent green council'!! You couldn't make it up! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -54

12:04pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Just trying to earn a crust says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
paul76 wrote:
Totally agree with all the comments. I have never ever seen anyone at the road collaspse scene working on it. Someone has chucked a bag of ready mixed tar into the hole to plug it, but that is it. It will stay like that all summer to cause jams.

Nobody seems to have even dug around the collapse to check the state of the arches and what is required to correct it.

With the traffic lights that are uncovered, i believe this is too allow people to cross the road, however, there is a perfectly good subway which runs directly under the road crossing. Why not shut that road crossing and tell people to use the subway or walk a short distance to the next set of lights to cross the road?

And as for Edward Street. Nobody ever works there. Traffic jams are huge and will be the same when the works eventually are completed. And to top it off, hardly anybody cycles up or down Edward Street anyway.
Usual nonsensical guff from the moanerati who havent got a clue what is going on behind the scenes or an understanding of the extent, complexities and co-ordination of the survey work required in the Arches probably along the length of the Kings Road which will involve numerous contractors, consultants, local agencies and service providers and then the planning of what could be major works - but if a serious incident or fatality DID happen they would then be gnashing their teeth as usual at.......the 'incompetent green council'!! You couldn't make it up!
The 'moanerati', which is not a real word but something invented by green spokespeople, know exactly what is happening behind the scenes. The same as is happening at the scenes i.e. almost nothing. Bluenoses please try not to insult the Argus readers, who travel round the city and see what little is being done at the various road work sites. I agree some sort of skill must be present behind the scenes to be able to find such inept companies to repair the cities roads
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]paul76[/bold] wrote: Totally agree with all the comments. I have never ever seen anyone at the road collaspse scene working on it. Someone has chucked a bag of ready mixed tar into the hole to plug it, but that is it. It will stay like that all summer to cause jams. Nobody seems to have even dug around the collapse to check the state of the arches and what is required to correct it. With the traffic lights that are uncovered, i believe this is too allow people to cross the road, however, there is a perfectly good subway which runs directly under the road crossing. Why not shut that road crossing and tell people to use the subway or walk a short distance to the next set of lights to cross the road? And as for Edward Street. Nobody ever works there. Traffic jams are huge and will be the same when the works eventually are completed. And to top it off, hardly anybody cycles up or down Edward Street anyway.[/p][/quote]Usual nonsensical guff from the moanerati who havent got a clue what is going on behind the scenes or an understanding of the extent, complexities and co-ordination of the survey work required in the Arches probably along the length of the Kings Road which will involve numerous contractors, consultants, local agencies and service providers and then the planning of what could be major works - but if a serious incident or fatality DID happen they would then be gnashing their teeth as usual at.......the 'incompetent green council'!! You couldn't make it up![/p][/quote]The 'moanerati', which is not a real word but something invented by green spokespeople, know exactly what is happening behind the scenes. The same as is happening at the scenes i.e. almost nothing. Bluenoses please try not to insult the Argus readers, who travel round the city and see what little is being done at the various road work sites. I agree some sort of skill must be present behind the scenes to be able to find such inept companies to repair the cities roads Just trying to earn a crust
  • Score: 30

12:10pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Fercri Sakes says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
paul76 wrote:
Totally agree with all the comments. I have never ever seen anyone at the road collaspse scene working on it. Someone has chucked a bag of ready mixed tar into the hole to plug it, but that is it. It will stay like that all summer to cause jams.

Nobody seems to have even dug around the collapse to check the state of the arches and what is required to correct it.

With the traffic lights that are uncovered, i believe this is too allow people to cross the road, however, there is a perfectly good subway which runs directly under the road crossing. Why not shut that road crossing and tell people to use the subway or walk a short distance to the next set of lights to cross the road?

And as for Edward Street. Nobody ever works there. Traffic jams are huge and will be the same when the works eventually are completed. And to top it off, hardly anybody cycles up or down Edward Street anyway.
Usual nonsensical guff from the moanerati who havent got a clue what is going on behind the scenes or an understanding of the extent, complexities and co-ordination of the survey work required in the Arches probably along the length of the Kings Road which will involve numerous contractors, consultants, local agencies and service providers and then the planning of what could be major works - but if a serious incident or fatality DID happen they would then be gnashing their teeth as usual at.......the 'incompetent green council'!! You couldn't make it up!
Coming into these comments areas, leaving your facts and long-term problem solving thoughts lying around for any child to see.

The fact is that a UKIP council would have fixed the whole seafront in just one day (see Mrs Tibbin's builder quote above). They should be repairing the seafront road around Christmas when nobody uses it and replace it with the UKIP's new matter transporter to hyperspace cars from the A23 to the Churchill Sq car park.

When we boot these Marxists out we can finally build that 6 lane extension of the M23 right to the Pier where cars will magically fold away into pocket sized units, or could just drive around the ring road I intend to build off the coast.

Brighton was built on cars. It's a car city that needs a car infrastructure. And if that means removing pavements so be it. Get rid of those loony Greens now!
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]paul76[/bold] wrote: Totally agree with all the comments. I have never ever seen anyone at the road collaspse scene working on it. Someone has chucked a bag of ready mixed tar into the hole to plug it, but that is it. It will stay like that all summer to cause jams. Nobody seems to have even dug around the collapse to check the state of the arches and what is required to correct it. With the traffic lights that are uncovered, i believe this is too allow people to cross the road, however, there is a perfectly good subway which runs directly under the road crossing. Why not shut that road crossing and tell people to use the subway or walk a short distance to the next set of lights to cross the road? And as for Edward Street. Nobody ever works there. Traffic jams are huge and will be the same when the works eventually are completed. And to top it off, hardly anybody cycles up or down Edward Street anyway.[/p][/quote]Usual nonsensical guff from the moanerati who havent got a clue what is going on behind the scenes or an understanding of the extent, complexities and co-ordination of the survey work required in the Arches probably along the length of the Kings Road which will involve numerous contractors, consultants, local agencies and service providers and then the planning of what could be major works - but if a serious incident or fatality DID happen they would then be gnashing their teeth as usual at.......the 'incompetent green council'!! You couldn't make it up![/p][/quote]Coming into these comments areas, leaving your facts and long-term problem solving thoughts lying around for any child to see. The fact is that a UKIP council would have fixed the whole seafront in just one day (see Mrs Tibbin's builder quote above). They should be repairing the seafront road around Christmas when nobody uses it and replace it with the UKIP's new matter transporter to hyperspace cars from the A23 to the Churchill Sq car park. When we boot these Marxists out we can finally build that 6 lane extension of the M23 right to the Pier where cars will magically fold away into pocket sized units, or could just drive around the ring road I intend to build off the coast. Brighton was built on cars. It's a car city that needs a car infrastructure. And if that means removing pavements so be it. Get rid of those loony Greens now! Fercri Sakes
  • Score: 1

12:26pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Fozborn says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
paul76 wrote:
Totally agree with all the comments. I have never ever seen anyone at the road collaspse scene working on it. Someone has chucked a bag of ready mixed tar into the hole to plug it, but that is it. It will stay like that all summer to cause jams.

Nobody seems to have even dug around the collapse to check the state of the arches and what is required to correct it.

With the traffic lights that are uncovered, i believe this is too allow people to cross the road, however, there is a perfectly good subway which runs directly under the road crossing. Why not shut that road crossing and tell people to use the subway or walk a short distance to the next set of lights to cross the road?

And as for Edward Street. Nobody ever works there. Traffic jams are huge and will be the same when the works eventually are completed. And to top it off, hardly anybody cycles up or down Edward Street anyway.
Usual nonsensical guff from the moanerati who havent got a clue what is going on behind the scenes or an understanding of the extent, complexities and co-ordination of the survey work required in the Arches probably along the length of the Kings Road which will involve numerous contractors, consultants, local agencies and service providers and then the planning of what could be major works - but if a serious incident or fatality DID happen they would then be gnashing their teeth as usual at.......the 'incompetent green council'!! You couldn't make it up!
Listen Brighton brownnose simply calling people who are dissatisfied with the incompetence displayed by Brighton Council in these matters "The Moanerati" further alienates you and your chums from vast swathes of potential voters.
Why does it take a road collapse for survey work to be undertaken? The arches are council properties. Haven't they been maintained properly over time? if not why not? I'll tell you - because nobody responsible gives a monkeys. They simply come to work, fill in some forms of various colours, attend some equality training, accrue incremental salary increases and then retire with an index linked pension. There is no accountability.
I doubt any of the political parties are capable of creating an environment of accountability. The conservatives attempt it from time to time but they disappoint as well. We need high calibre independents to get to grips with local government but our political system works against this type of pragmatism and instead we get tub thumping ideologues voted in on block depending on the national mood at the time of local elections - don't like Labour - don't like Conservative - Clegg's a plonker - Sod it lets vote Green for a laugh! Or UKIP next time.....
And then this is what you get: roads in one part of town collapsing because they haven't been maintained with perfectly adequate roads in another part of town being altered for political vanity reasons at enormous cost and at a snails pace because nobody is motivated to do anything better.
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]paul76[/bold] wrote: Totally agree with all the comments. I have never ever seen anyone at the road collaspse scene working on it. Someone has chucked a bag of ready mixed tar into the hole to plug it, but that is it. It will stay like that all summer to cause jams. Nobody seems to have even dug around the collapse to check the state of the arches and what is required to correct it. With the traffic lights that are uncovered, i believe this is too allow people to cross the road, however, there is a perfectly good subway which runs directly under the road crossing. Why not shut that road crossing and tell people to use the subway or walk a short distance to the next set of lights to cross the road? And as for Edward Street. Nobody ever works there. Traffic jams are huge and will be the same when the works eventually are completed. And to top it off, hardly anybody cycles up or down Edward Street anyway.[/p][/quote]Usual nonsensical guff from the moanerati who havent got a clue what is going on behind the scenes or an understanding of the extent, complexities and co-ordination of the survey work required in the Arches probably along the length of the Kings Road which will involve numerous contractors, consultants, local agencies and service providers and then the planning of what could be major works - but if a serious incident or fatality DID happen they would then be gnashing their teeth as usual at.......the 'incompetent green council'!! You couldn't make it up![/p][/quote]Listen Brighton brownnose simply calling people who are dissatisfied with the incompetence displayed by Brighton Council in these matters "The Moanerati" further alienates you and your chums from vast swathes of potential voters. Why does it take a road collapse for survey work to be undertaken? The arches are council properties. Haven't they been maintained properly over time? if not why not? I'll tell you - because nobody responsible gives a monkeys. They simply come to work, fill in some forms of various colours, attend some equality training, accrue incremental salary increases and then retire with an index linked pension. There is no accountability. I doubt any of the political parties are capable of creating an environment of accountability. The conservatives attempt it from time to time but they disappoint as well. We need high calibre independents to get to grips with local government but our political system works against this type of pragmatism and instead we get tub thumping ideologues voted in on block depending on the national mood at the time of local elections - don't like Labour - don't like Conservative - Clegg's a plonker - Sod it lets vote Green for a laugh! Or UKIP next time..... And then this is what you get: roads in one part of town collapsing because they haven't been maintained with perfectly adequate roads in another part of town being altered for political vanity reasons at enormous cost and at a snails pace because nobody is motivated to do anything better. Fozborn
  • Score: 27

1:25pm Fri 27 Jun 14

From beer to uncertainty says...

It obviously takes many weeks of discussions, meetings and PowerPoint presentations, imagineering and painting a vapour trail of success on a blue sky scenario for everyone to properly milk this job for all it's worth?
Presumably someone will then eventually subcontract it to a few blokes who'll charge £500 to fill it with sand. Total bill £6 million?
It obviously takes many weeks of discussions, meetings and PowerPoint presentations, imagineering and painting a vapour trail of success on a blue sky scenario for everyone to properly milk this job for all it's worth? Presumably someone will then eventually subcontract it to a few blokes who'll charge £500 to fill it with sand. Total bill £6 million? From beer to uncertainty
  • Score: 18

1:27pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Worthing Jim says...

Fercri Sakes wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
paul76 wrote:
Totally agree with all the comments. I have never ever seen anyone at the road collaspse scene working on it. Someone has chucked a bag of ready mixed tar into the hole to plug it, but that is it. It will stay like that all summer to cause jams.

Nobody seems to have even dug around the collapse to check the state of the arches and what is required to correct it.

With the traffic lights that are uncovered, i believe this is too allow people to cross the road, however, there is a perfectly good subway which runs directly under the road crossing. Why not shut that road crossing and tell people to use the subway or walk a short distance to the next set of lights to cross the road?

And as for Edward Street. Nobody ever works there. Traffic jams are huge and will be the same when the works eventually are completed. And to top it off, hardly anybody cycles up or down Edward Street anyway.
Usual nonsensical guff from the moanerati who havent got a clue what is going on behind the scenes or an understanding of the extent, complexities and co-ordination of the survey work required in the Arches probably along the length of the Kings Road which will involve numerous contractors, consultants, local agencies and service providers and then the planning of what could be major works - but if a serious incident or fatality DID happen they would then be gnashing their teeth as usual at.......the 'incompetent green council'!! You couldn't make it up!
Coming into these comments areas, leaving your facts and long-term problem solving thoughts lying around for any child to see.

The fact is that a UKIP council would have fixed the whole seafront in just one day (see Mrs Tibbin's builder quote above). They should be repairing the seafront road around Christmas when nobody uses it and replace it with the UKIP's new matter transporter to hyperspace cars from the A23 to the Churchill Sq car park.

When we boot these Marxists out we can finally build that 6 lane extension of the M23 right to the Pier where cars will magically fold away into pocket sized units, or could just drive around the ring road I intend to build off the coast.

Brighton was built on cars. It's a car city that needs a car infrastructure. And if that means removing pavements so be it. Get rid of those loony Greens now!
:)
[quote][p][bold]Fercri Sakes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]paul76[/bold] wrote: Totally agree with all the comments. I have never ever seen anyone at the road collaspse scene working on it. Someone has chucked a bag of ready mixed tar into the hole to plug it, but that is it. It will stay like that all summer to cause jams. Nobody seems to have even dug around the collapse to check the state of the arches and what is required to correct it. With the traffic lights that are uncovered, i believe this is too allow people to cross the road, however, there is a perfectly good subway which runs directly under the road crossing. Why not shut that road crossing and tell people to use the subway or walk a short distance to the next set of lights to cross the road? And as for Edward Street. Nobody ever works there. Traffic jams are huge and will be the same when the works eventually are completed. And to top it off, hardly anybody cycles up or down Edward Street anyway.[/p][/quote]Usual nonsensical guff from the moanerati who havent got a clue what is going on behind the scenes or an understanding of the extent, complexities and co-ordination of the survey work required in the Arches probably along the length of the Kings Road which will involve numerous contractors, consultants, local agencies and service providers and then the planning of what could be major works - but if a serious incident or fatality DID happen they would then be gnashing their teeth as usual at.......the 'incompetent green council'!! You couldn't make it up![/p][/quote]Coming into these comments areas, leaving your facts and long-term problem solving thoughts lying around for any child to see. The fact is that a UKIP council would have fixed the whole seafront in just one day (see Mrs Tibbin's builder quote above). They should be repairing the seafront road around Christmas when nobody uses it and replace it with the UKIP's new matter transporter to hyperspace cars from the A23 to the Churchill Sq car park. When we boot these Marxists out we can finally build that 6 lane extension of the M23 right to the Pier where cars will magically fold away into pocket sized units, or could just drive around the ring road I intend to build off the coast. Brighton was built on cars. It's a car city that needs a car infrastructure. And if that means removing pavements so be it. Get rid of those loony Greens now![/p][/quote]:) Worthing Jim
  • Score: 1

1:51pm Fri 27 Jun 14

TonyTony says...

The longer all the strategically placed roadworks are there the slower the traffic will flow all over Brighton, and therefore a slower average traffic speed and hey presto the 20 mph limits have worked making Brighton a safer, happier & brighter place for us all to live in. Well done to all concerned. Jason
The longer all the strategically placed roadworks are there the slower the traffic will flow all over Brighton, and therefore a slower average traffic speed and hey presto the 20 mph limits have worked making Brighton a safer, happier & brighter place for us all to live in. Well done to all concerned. Jason TonyTony
  • Score: 10

2:53pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Warren Morgan says...

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http://warrenmorgan. wordpress.com/2014/0 6/24/a-brick-through -the-shop-window/ Warren Morgan
  • Score: -3

4:50pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Roundbill says...

Yeah, thanks for joining us in the comments section Warren. Argus not answering your emails?
Yeah, thanks for joining us in the comments section Warren. Argus not answering your emails? Roundbill
  • Score: 2

6:46pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Geoman1star says...

I'n not an expert on traffic management but might it have been an idea to postpone the unrelated roadwork taking place in Black Lion street until after the arches work was completed? Just seems a little odd to close one lane of the eastbound A259 directly as you come out of the contraflow at this time? Perhaps I'm just being daft and it is better to dig up all the roads on the seafront all at once, every summer.
I'n not an expert on traffic management but might it have been an idea to postpone the unrelated roadwork taking place in Black Lion street until after the arches work was completed? Just seems a little odd to close one lane of the eastbound A259 directly as you come out of the contraflow at this time? Perhaps I'm just being daft and it is better to dig up all the roads on the seafront all at once, every summer. Geoman1star
  • Score: 2

6:52pm Fri 27 Jun 14

melee says...

When we had the recent roadworks at the top of Carlton Terrace most of the road was blocked off and traffic was slowed to a crawl. A couple of times I had reason to walk past there at 3pm and there was not a single workman in sight, so I tend to agree with earlier comments. It has to be deliberate surely? What sort of company would want a reputation for dragging work out unnecessarily in the real world?
When we had the recent roadworks at the top of Carlton Terrace most of the road was blocked off and traffic was slowed to a crawl. A couple of times I had reason to walk past there at 3pm and there was not a single workman in sight, so I tend to agree with earlier comments. It has to be deliberate surely? What sort of company would want a reputation for dragging work out unnecessarily in the real world? melee
  • Score: 7

7:51pm Fri 27 Jun 14

kopite_rob says...

How bugs the hole? Is it big enough for say 25 caravans, looking for somewhere to put the travellers excavating and fulfilling on Rottingdean playing fields. Looks like youth football cancelled tomorrow because of the travelling scum bags.
How bugs the hole? Is it big enough for say 25 caravans, looking for somewhere to put the travellers excavating and fulfilling on Rottingdean playing fields. Looks like youth football cancelled tomorrow because of the travelling scum bags. kopite_rob
  • Score: 2

7:52pm Fri 27 Jun 14

kopite_rob says...

**** spell check!
How bigs the hole? Is it big enough for say 25 caravans, looking for somewhere to put the travellers defacating and flytipping on Rottingdean playing fields. Looks like youth football cancelled tomorrow because of the travelling scum bags.
**** spell check! How bigs the hole? Is it big enough for say 25 caravans, looking for somewhere to put the travellers defacating and flytipping on Rottingdean playing fields. Looks like youth football cancelled tomorrow because of the travelling scum bags. kopite_rob
  • Score: 0

7:54pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Falmer Wizard says...

Unbelievable that this work is being carried out during the summer season,if there was no option then 24hr working should have been introduced to ensure the delay was kept to the minimum.
Another project being carried out at the same time is the area in front of the station where the pavements in Queens Rd and Surrey St are being relaid and roads are being narrowed in this very busy area,it was said that the seven dials roundabout scheme cost about £800,000it would not surprise me if the station scheme topped £1 miiion ,all this when really useful schemes are being cut back
Unbelievable that this work is being carried out during the summer season,if there was no option then 24hr working should have been introduced to ensure the delay was kept to the minimum. Another project being carried out at the same time is the area in front of the station where the pavements in Queens Rd and Surrey St are being relaid and roads are being narrowed in this very busy area,it was said that the seven dials roundabout scheme cost about £800,000it would not surprise me if the station scheme topped £1 miiion ,all this when really useful schemes are being cut back Falmer Wizard
  • Score: 1

9:25pm Fri 27 Jun 14

brighton bluenose says...

Falmer Wizard wrote:
Unbelievable that this work is being carried out during the summer season,if there was no option then 24hr working should have been introduced to ensure the delay was kept to the minimum.
Another project being carried out at the same time is the area in front of the station where the pavements in Queens Rd and Surrey St are being relaid and roads are being narrowed in this very busy area,it was said that the seven dials roundabout scheme cost about £800,000it would not surprise me if the station scheme topped £1 miiion ,all this when really useful schemes are being cut back
Yeah its really unbelievable that it's being carried out in the summer - when the problem was discovered ..........errr just before the start of the summer!!
[quote][p][bold]Falmer Wizard[/bold] wrote: Unbelievable that this work is being carried out during the summer season,if there was no option then 24hr working should have been introduced to ensure the delay was kept to the minimum. Another project being carried out at the same time is the area in front of the station where the pavements in Queens Rd and Surrey St are being relaid and roads are being narrowed in this very busy area,it was said that the seven dials roundabout scheme cost about £800,000it would not surprise me if the station scheme topped £1 miiion ,all this when really useful schemes are being cut back[/p][/quote]Yeah its really unbelievable that it's being carried out in the summer - when the problem was discovered ..........errr just before the start of the summer!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -4

10:49pm Fri 27 Jun 14

hoveguyactually says...

"The pub’s landlord Laurence Hill previously told The Argus the last works on the arches were carried out “in the days of horse and cart”.

"Councillor Warren Morgan, leader of the Labour and Co-operative group on the council, said: “The Greens running the council need to get the area cleaned up so that residents and tourists are not put off visiting seafront businesses.”

Well, it all makes complete sense. The Greens would love to have us all living back in the days of horse and cart anyway. Oh, except for the cyclists, of course!
"The pub’s landlord Laurence Hill previously told The Argus the last works on the arches were carried out “in the days of horse and cart”. "Councillor Warren Morgan, leader of the Labour and Co-operative group on the council, said: “The Greens running the council need to get the area cleaned up so that residents and tourists are not put off visiting seafront businesses.” Well, it all makes complete sense. The Greens would love to have us all living back in the days of horse and cart anyway. Oh, except for the cyclists, of course! hoveguyactually
  • Score: 1

11:03pm Fri 27 Jun 14

hoveguyactually says...

The idiotic antics of the Green Party, and the ongoing nonsensical saga of the travellers, would not seem out of place in the old Ealing comedies, except for the fact that it is we who are having to pay the enormous costs of such incompetence.
The idiotic antics of the Green Party, and the ongoing nonsensical saga of the travellers, would not seem out of place in the old Ealing comedies, except for the fact that it is we who are having to pay the enormous costs of such incompetence. hoveguyactually
  • Score: 0

12:26am Sat 28 Jun 14

brighton bluenose says...

Just trying to earn a crust wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
paul76 wrote:
Totally agree with all the comments. I have never ever seen anyone at the road collaspse scene working on it. Someone has chucked a bag of ready mixed tar into the hole to plug it, but that is it. It will stay like that all summer to cause jams.

Nobody seems to have even dug around the collapse to check the state of the arches and what is required to correct it.

With the traffic lights that are uncovered, i believe this is too allow people to cross the road, however, there is a perfectly good subway which runs directly under the road crossing. Why not shut that road crossing and tell people to use the subway or walk a short distance to the next set of lights to cross the road?

And as for Edward Street. Nobody ever works there. Traffic jams are huge and will be the same when the works eventually are completed. And to top it off, hardly anybody cycles up or down Edward Street anyway.
Usual nonsensical guff from the moanerati who havent got a clue what is going on behind the scenes or an understanding of the extent, complexities and co-ordination of the survey work required in the Arches probably along the length of the Kings Road which will involve numerous contractors, consultants, local agencies and service providers and then the planning of what could be major works - but if a serious incident or fatality DID happen they would then be gnashing their teeth as usual at.......the 'incompetent green council'!! You couldn't make it up!
The 'moanerati', which is not a real word but something invented by green spokespeople, know exactly what is happening behind the scenes. The same as is happening at the scenes i.e. almost nothing. Bluenoses please try not to insult the Argus readers, who travel round the city and see what little is being done at the various road work sites. I agree some sort of skill must be present behind the scenes to be able to find such inept companies to repair the cities roads
Of course you haven't got a clue what is actually going on - but don't let that get in the way of talking tripe!!
[quote][p][bold]Just trying to earn a crust[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]paul76[/bold] wrote: Totally agree with all the comments. I have never ever seen anyone at the road collaspse scene working on it. Someone has chucked a bag of ready mixed tar into the hole to plug it, but that is it. It will stay like that all summer to cause jams. Nobody seems to have even dug around the collapse to check the state of the arches and what is required to correct it. With the traffic lights that are uncovered, i believe this is too allow people to cross the road, however, there is a perfectly good subway which runs directly under the road crossing. Why not shut that road crossing and tell people to use the subway or walk a short distance to the next set of lights to cross the road? And as for Edward Street. Nobody ever works there. Traffic jams are huge and will be the same when the works eventually are completed. And to top it off, hardly anybody cycles up or down Edward Street anyway.[/p][/quote]Usual nonsensical guff from the moanerati who havent got a clue what is going on behind the scenes or an understanding of the extent, complexities and co-ordination of the survey work required in the Arches probably along the length of the Kings Road which will involve numerous contractors, consultants, local agencies and service providers and then the planning of what could be major works - but if a serious incident or fatality DID happen they would then be gnashing their teeth as usual at.......the 'incompetent green council'!! You couldn't make it up![/p][/quote]The 'moanerati', which is not a real word but something invented by green spokespeople, know exactly what is happening behind the scenes. The same as is happening at the scenes i.e. almost nothing. Bluenoses please try not to insult the Argus readers, who travel round the city and see what little is being done at the various road work sites. I agree some sort of skill must be present behind the scenes to be able to find such inept companies to repair the cities roads[/p][/quote]Of course you haven't got a clue what is actually going on - but don't let that get in the way of talking tripe!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -8

12:31am Sat 28 Jun 14

brighton bluenose says...

hoveguyactually wrote:
"The pub’s landlord Laurence Hill previously told The Argus the last works on the arches were carried out “in the days of horse and cart”.

"Councillor Warren Morgan, leader of the Labour and Co-operative group on the council, said: “The Greens running the council need to get the area cleaned up so that residents and tourists are not put off visiting seafront businesses.”

Well, it all makes complete sense. The Greens would love to have us all living back in the days of horse and cart anyway. Oh, except for the cyclists, of course!
Perhaps we should be asking Warren Morgan what maintenance his party carried out in this area oh and maybe on Madeira Terraces too - of course they did sweet fa and that's why our city was known as Skid-Row-on-Sea under Labour let's never forget that!!
[quote][p][bold]hoveguyactually[/bold] wrote: "The pub’s landlord Laurence Hill previously told The Argus the last works on the arches were carried out “in the days of horse and cart”. "Councillor Warren Morgan, leader of the Labour and Co-operative group on the council, said: “The Greens running the council need to get the area cleaned up so that residents and tourists are not put off visiting seafront businesses.” Well, it all makes complete sense. The Greens would love to have us all living back in the days of horse and cart anyway. Oh, except for the cyclists, of course![/p][/quote]Perhaps we should be asking Warren Morgan what maintenance his party carried out in this area oh and maybe on Madeira Terraces too - of course they did sweet fa and that's why our city was known as Skid-Row-on-Sea under Labour let's never forget that!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: 0

6:09am Sat 28 Jun 14

ohhumanity says...

Repair works to continue for four weeks? I'm sorry, but to use the word 'continue', wouldn't that mean they've actually started? I drive down the seafront almost every day, never seen a single person working on that site. The traffic lights should be turned off, they stop people for no reason. Leaving them on for pedestrians is pointless, as there is an underground tunnel DIRECTLY under those lights for people to get to the seafront. These roadworks have been a complete shambles, and I am willing to bet money that, at the end of july, the roadworks will be extended again.
Repair works to continue for four weeks? I'm sorry, but to use the word 'continue', wouldn't that mean they've actually started? I drive down the seafront almost every day, never seen a single person working on that site. The traffic lights should be turned off, they stop people for no reason. Leaving them on for pedestrians is pointless, as there is an underground tunnel DIRECTLY under those lights for people to get to the seafront. These roadworks have been a complete shambles, and I am willing to bet money that, at the end of july, the roadworks will be extended again. ohhumanity
  • Score: 6

7:17am Sat 28 Jun 14

Quiterie says...

Fozborn wrote:
The mismanagement of this situation is symptomatic of the complete ineptitude of the people responsible for keeping traffic moving in Brighton & Hove. Geoff Raw (no doubt the recipient of a 6 figure salary) and his department need a complete shake up. 9 weeks on and there is no urgency to tackle these repairs. Repairs only needed as a result of insufficient maintenance.
In 1994 Los Angeles suffered a major earthquake with catastrophic damage to the city's highway flyovers. They reopened after 66 days because there was a political will to resolve the problem. The contractors were incentivised to complete the work quickly .
In Brighton a small collapse looks like leading to a road closure that will last 90 plus days.
Oh and then there is Edward Street. A bit I of pavement widening, painting some lines on a road and works to the central reservation on a stretch of road measuring 600(?) yards is taking best part of a year. How much is this all costing? Does anybody actually want this work? Looks like the contractors are leading us all an "RJ merry Dance".
Yes, Geoff Raw earns £125,000, and it's taken his dept 2 months to complete their investigation into what what the problem is - the same timescale that we were originally told it would take to complete the works. And of course there's no apology from him for the inconvenience caused. In the same way that he didn't apologise for sending out a leaflet that showed the wrong refuse collection day for most residents. And of course he's in charge of the housing dept which is embroiled in scandal at the moment. And that's before we even start on the generally shambolic refuse collections that his dept are in charge of. Thanks Geoff!
[quote][p][bold]Fozborn[/bold] wrote: The mismanagement of this situation is symptomatic of the complete ineptitude of the people responsible for keeping traffic moving in Brighton & Hove. Geoff Raw (no doubt the recipient of a 6 figure salary) and his department need a complete shake up. 9 weeks on and there is no urgency to tackle these repairs. Repairs only needed as a result of insufficient maintenance. In 1994 Los Angeles suffered a major earthquake with catastrophic damage to the city's highway flyovers. They reopened after 66 days because there was a political will to resolve the problem. The contractors were incentivised to complete the work quickly . In Brighton a small collapse looks like leading to a road closure that will last 90 plus days. Oh and then there is Edward Street. A bit I of pavement widening, painting some lines on a road and works to the central reservation on a stretch of road measuring 600(?) yards is taking best part of a year. How much is this all costing? Does anybody actually want this work? Looks like the contractors are leading us all an "RJ merry Dance".[/p][/quote]Yes, Geoff Raw earns £125,000, and it's taken his dept 2 months to complete their investigation into what what the problem is - the same timescale that we were originally told it would take to complete the works. And of course there's no apology from him for the inconvenience caused. In the same way that he didn't apologise for sending out a leaflet that showed the wrong refuse collection day for most residents. And of course he's in charge of the housing dept which is embroiled in scandal at the moment. And that's before we even start on the generally shambolic refuse collections that his dept are in charge of. Thanks Geoff! Quiterie
  • Score: 7

8:30am Sat 28 Jun 14

brighton bluenose says...

ohhumanity wrote:
Repair works to continue for four weeks? I'm sorry, but to use the word 'continue', wouldn't that mean they've actually started? I drive down the seafront almost every day, never seen a single person working on that site. The traffic lights should be turned off, they stop people for no reason. Leaving them on for pedestrians is pointless, as there is an underground tunnel DIRECTLY under those lights for people to get to the seafront. These roadworks have been a complete shambles, and I am willing to bet money that, at the end of july, the roadworks will be extended again.
For starters the tunnel is for people to get to the LOWER prom - what about the people who just want to cross the road at the bottom of West St to reach the upper prom?! As for not seeing anything going on at 'the hole' do you not realise it is the surveys etc etc BELOW ground that are taking the time??!
THAT'S why you and all the other whingers can't see what's going on - it can't be that difficult to comprehend this surely?!
[quote][p][bold]ohhumanity[/bold] wrote: Repair works to continue for four weeks? I'm sorry, but to use the word 'continue', wouldn't that mean they've actually started? I drive down the seafront almost every day, never seen a single person working on that site. The traffic lights should be turned off, they stop people for no reason. Leaving them on for pedestrians is pointless, as there is an underground tunnel DIRECTLY under those lights for people to get to the seafront. These roadworks have been a complete shambles, and I am willing to bet money that, at the end of july, the roadworks will be extended again.[/p][/quote]For starters the tunnel is for people to get to the LOWER prom - what about the people who just want to cross the road at the bottom of West St to reach the upper prom?! As for not seeing anything going on at 'the hole' do you not realise it is the surveys etc etc BELOW ground that are taking the time??! THAT'S why you and all the other whingers can't see what's going on - it can't be that difficult to comprehend this surely?! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -4

8:31am Sat 28 Jun 14

hubby says...

Will Brighton never learn?
I left eleven years ago and one of my abiding memories of Summer in Brighton is of crawling along the seafront road wondering why roadworks are done in the Summer.
Will Brighton never learn? I left eleven years ago and one of my abiding memories of Summer in Brighton is of crawling along the seafront road wondering why roadworks are done in the Summer. hubby
  • Score: 2

12:15pm Sat 28 Jun 14

Mr P Brown says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
Just trying to earn a crust wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
paul76 wrote:
Totally agree with all the comments. I have never ever seen anyone at the road collaspse scene working on it. Someone has chucked a bag of ready mixed tar into the hole to plug it, but that is it. It will stay like that all summer to cause jams.

Nobody seems to have even dug around the collapse to check the state of the arches and what is required to correct it.

With the traffic lights that are uncovered, i believe this is too allow people to cross the road, however, there is a perfectly good subway which runs directly under the road crossing. Why not shut that road crossing and tell people to use the subway or walk a short distance to the next set of lights to cross the road?

And as for Edward Street. Nobody ever works there. Traffic jams are huge and will be the same when the works eventually are completed. And to top it off, hardly anybody cycles up or down Edward Street anyway.
Usual nonsensical guff from the moanerati who havent got a clue what is going on behind the scenes or an understanding of the extent, complexities and co-ordination of the survey work required in the Arches probably along the length of the Kings Road which will involve numerous contractors, consultants, local agencies and service providers and then the planning of what could be major works - but if a serious incident or fatality DID happen they would then be gnashing their teeth as usual at.......the 'incompetent green council'!! You couldn't make it up!
The 'moanerati', which is not a real word but something invented by green spokespeople, know exactly what is happening behind the scenes. The same as is happening at the scenes i.e. almost nothing. Bluenoses please try not to insult the Argus readers, who travel round the city and see what little is being done at the various road work sites. I agree some sort of skill must be present behind the scenes to be able to find such inept companies to repair the cities roads
Of course you haven't got a clue what is actually going on - but don't let that get in the way of talking tripe!!
Well tell us what s going on then, as you seem to know so much. When in travel round the city all I see is road works with no one working at them. So instead of insulting the commentators, maybe you could do something useful and inform us. You said earlier the seafront road works were being carried out in summer because they happened at the beginning of summer, so why are the contractors not working 24 hrs. a day to get the work done? Eastern drags on with very few people working. The green council employ these contractors on our behalf, from what I see we are not getting our moneys worth
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Just trying to earn a crust[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]paul76[/bold] wrote: Totally agree with all the comments. I have never ever seen anyone at the road collaspse scene working on it. Someone has chucked a bag of ready mixed tar into the hole to plug it, but that is it. It will stay like that all summer to cause jams. Nobody seems to have even dug around the collapse to check the state of the arches and what is required to correct it. With the traffic lights that are uncovered, i believe this is too allow people to cross the road, however, there is a perfectly good subway which runs directly under the road crossing. Why not shut that road crossing and tell people to use the subway or walk a short distance to the next set of lights to cross the road? And as for Edward Street. Nobody ever works there. Traffic jams are huge and will be the same when the works eventually are completed. And to top it off, hardly anybody cycles up or down Edward Street anyway.[/p][/quote]Usual nonsensical guff from the moanerati who havent got a clue what is going on behind the scenes or an understanding of the extent, complexities and co-ordination of the survey work required in the Arches probably along the length of the Kings Road which will involve numerous contractors, consultants, local agencies and service providers and then the planning of what could be major works - but if a serious incident or fatality DID happen they would then be gnashing their teeth as usual at.......the 'incompetent green council'!! You couldn't make it up![/p][/quote]The 'moanerati', which is not a real word but something invented by green spokespeople, know exactly what is happening behind the scenes. The same as is happening at the scenes i.e. almost nothing. Bluenoses please try not to insult the Argus readers, who travel round the city and see what little is being done at the various road work sites. I agree some sort of skill must be present behind the scenes to be able to find such inept companies to repair the cities roads[/p][/quote]Of course you haven't got a clue what is actually going on - but don't let that get in the way of talking tripe!![/p][/quote]Well tell us what s going on then, as you seem to know so much. When in travel round the city all I see is road works with no one working at them. So instead of insulting the commentators, maybe you could do something useful and inform us. You said earlier the seafront road works were being carried out in summer because they happened at the beginning of summer, so why are the contractors not working 24 hrs. a day to get the work done? Eastern drags on with very few people working. The green council employ these contractors on our behalf, from what I see we are not getting our moneys worth Mr P Brown
  • Score: 4

2:18pm Sat 28 Jun 14

Fozborn says...

Well said Mr Brown. Unfortunately I think old Brighton brownnose would rather just rant, patronise and tell everybody else how deluded they are - oh the irony! I even suspect he got erm.... a little "tired and emotional" last night. Let's just hope he remembered to put the empties in the recycling.
After the lack of progress on Kings Road the next most disappointing thing has been the lack of information. For weeks we were told that the road works would take until 27 June. They must have known for weeks that this was a fictitious date but hey ho why bother telling businesses and the general public the truth? Then on the 26 June we are told end of July. Meanwhile I've had a tweet from Brighton & Hove traffic that the contraflow will remain until Pride (2 August) and that road works are planned for after that time.......
So I'm sorry brownnose if us mere ordinary folk find it hard to get the facts when the ministry of disinformation is working so hard against us. You obviously know everything and must therefore be a councillor or official at BHCC. The rest of us? Well we just have to live and work here, keep quiet and do as we are told.
Well said Mr Brown. Unfortunately I think old Brighton brownnose would rather just rant, patronise and tell everybody else how deluded they are - oh the irony! I even suspect he got erm.... a little "tired and emotional" last night. Let's just hope he remembered to put the empties in the recycling. After the lack of progress on Kings Road the next most disappointing thing has been the lack of information. For weeks we were told that the road works would take until 27 June. They must have known for weeks that this was a fictitious date but hey ho why bother telling businesses and the general public the truth? Then on the 26 June we are told end of July. Meanwhile I've had a tweet from Brighton & Hove traffic that the contraflow will remain until Pride (2 August) and that road works are planned for after that time....... So I'm sorry brownnose if us mere ordinary folk find it hard to get the facts when the ministry of disinformation is working so hard against us. You obviously know everything and must therefore be a councillor or official at BHCC. The rest of us? Well we just have to live and work here, keep quiet and do as we are told. Fozborn
  • Score: 5

4:13pm Sat 28 Jun 14

taz4242 says...

The reason why the. Seafront roadworks will take so long is because the council have not even started,they have spent two months seeing if they were responsible for the repairs which they are !! Ineptitude!!!!!!!##
The reason why the. Seafront roadworks will take so long is because the council have not even started,they have spent two months seeing if they were responsible for the repairs which they are !! Ineptitude!!!!!!!## taz4242
  • Score: 5

6:26pm Sat 28 Jun 14

Quiterie says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
ohhumanity wrote:
Repair works to continue for four weeks? I'm sorry, but to use the word 'continue', wouldn't that mean they've actually started? I drive down the seafront almost every day, never seen a single person working on that site. The traffic lights should be turned off, they stop people for no reason. Leaving them on for pedestrians is pointless, as there is an underground tunnel DIRECTLY under those lights for people to get to the seafront. These roadworks have been a complete shambles, and I am willing to bet money that, at the end of july, the roadworks will be extended again.
For starters the tunnel is for people to get to the LOWER prom - what about the people who just want to cross the road at the bottom of West St to reach the upper prom?! As for not seeing anything going on at 'the hole' do you not realise it is the surveys etc etc BELOW ground that are taking the time??!
THAT'S why you and all the other whingers can't see what's going on - it can't be that difficult to comprehend this surely?!
2 months to carry out a survey?

You have exceptionally low expectations and standards.

You don't work for the Council do you?
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ohhumanity[/bold] wrote: Repair works to continue for four weeks? I'm sorry, but to use the word 'continue', wouldn't that mean they've actually started? I drive down the seafront almost every day, never seen a single person working on that site. The traffic lights should be turned off, they stop people for no reason. Leaving them on for pedestrians is pointless, as there is an underground tunnel DIRECTLY under those lights for people to get to the seafront. These roadworks have been a complete shambles, and I am willing to bet money that, at the end of july, the roadworks will be extended again.[/p][/quote]For starters the tunnel is for people to get to the LOWER prom - what about the people who just want to cross the road at the bottom of West St to reach the upper prom?! As for not seeing anything going on at 'the hole' do you not realise it is the surveys etc etc BELOW ground that are taking the time??! THAT'S why you and all the other whingers can't see what's going on - it can't be that difficult to comprehend this surely?![/p][/quote]2 months to carry out a survey? You have exceptionally low expectations and standards. You don't work for the Council do you? Quiterie
  • Score: 4

6:57pm Sat 28 Jun 14

MasonStorm says...

Isn't the plan to ban cars from the road since it is unsafe for them? Instead there will be an extra wide cycle lane taking up the whole of the seafront.
Isn't the plan to ban cars from the road since it is unsafe for them? Instead there will be an extra wide cycle lane taking up the whole of the seafront. MasonStorm
  • Score: 1

11:57am Sun 29 Jun 14

brighton bluenose says...

Mr P Brown wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
Just trying to earn a crust wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
paul76 wrote:
Totally agree with all the comments. I have never ever seen anyone at the road collaspse scene working on it. Someone has chucked a bag of ready mixed tar into the hole to plug it, but that is it. It will stay like that all summer to cause jams.

Nobody seems to have even dug around the collapse to check the state of the arches and what is required to correct it.

With the traffic lights that are uncovered, i believe this is too allow people to cross the road, however, there is a perfectly good subway which runs directly under the road crossing. Why not shut that road crossing and tell people to use the subway or walk a short distance to the next set of lights to cross the road?

And as for Edward Street. Nobody ever works there. Traffic jams are huge and will be the same when the works eventually are completed. And to top it off, hardly anybody cycles up or down Edward Street anyway.
Usual nonsensical guff from the moanerati who havent got a clue what is going on behind the scenes or an understanding of the extent, complexities and co-ordination of the survey work required in the Arches probably along the length of the Kings Road which will involve numerous contractors, consultants, local agencies and service providers and then the planning of what could be major works - but if a serious incident or fatality DID happen they would then be gnashing their teeth as usual at.......the 'incompetent green council'!! You couldn't make it up!
The 'moanerati', which is not a real word but something invented by green spokespeople, know exactly what is happening behind the scenes. The same as is happening at the scenes i.e. almost nothing. Bluenoses please try not to insult the Argus readers, who travel round the city and see what little is being done at the various road work sites. I agree some sort of skill must be present behind the scenes to be able to find such inept companies to repair the cities roads
Of course you haven't got a clue what is actually going on - but don't let that get in the way of talking tripe!!
Well tell us what s going on then, as you seem to know so much. When in travel round the city all I see is road works with no one working at them. So instead of insulting the commentators, maybe you could do something useful and inform us. You said earlier the seafront road works were being carried out in summer because they happened at the beginning of summer, so why are the contractors not working 24 hrs. a day to get the work done? Eastern drags on with very few people working. The green council employ these contractors on our behalf, from what I see we are not getting our moneys worth
On what basis are you suggesting we are not getting our moneys worth? Because without that knowledge you are in fact talking tripe!
I am only commenting on the seafront roadworks but like virtually every commenter on here I do not know what is happening and don't pretend too - however, as someone who works in construction, I understand that there must be a lot more going on behind the scenes than is apparent when going past the site over the Fortune of War - after all it's not just about filling in the 1m2 hole that you can see as you drive past is it?!. As I previously stated there will be a lot of people, agencies and service providers involved in surveying the area and the actual causes of the problem both at the initial site and along the likely length of Kings Road. You ask 'why aren't they working 24 hours a day?' Perhaps you would like to tell us exactly what they should be doing in those 24 hour days because without detailed surveys, specifications, drawings and understanding of how any works will impact on existing water, gas, electricity, drainage, major sewers, telecomms services etc as well as the structural issues involved then any works required can't be commenced! THEN there is the placing of contracts with the contractor and likely numerous utilities companies and the overall co-ordination and planning of the works - everyone wants this road back to normal ASAP - including the Green-led council believe it or not - unfortunately all of this is a little more complicated and a lot more time-consuming than the moanerati seem to realise!!
[quote][p][bold]Mr P Brown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Just trying to earn a crust[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]paul76[/bold] wrote: Totally agree with all the comments. I have never ever seen anyone at the road collaspse scene working on it. Someone has chucked a bag of ready mixed tar into the hole to plug it, but that is it. It will stay like that all summer to cause jams. Nobody seems to have even dug around the collapse to check the state of the arches and what is required to correct it. With the traffic lights that are uncovered, i believe this is too allow people to cross the road, however, there is a perfectly good subway which runs directly under the road crossing. Why not shut that road crossing and tell people to use the subway or walk a short distance to the next set of lights to cross the road? And as for Edward Street. Nobody ever works there. Traffic jams are huge and will be the same when the works eventually are completed. And to top it off, hardly anybody cycles up or down Edward Street anyway.[/p][/quote]Usual nonsensical guff from the moanerati who havent got a clue what is going on behind the scenes or an understanding of the extent, complexities and co-ordination of the survey work required in the Arches probably along the length of the Kings Road which will involve numerous contractors, consultants, local agencies and service providers and then the planning of what could be major works - but if a serious incident or fatality DID happen they would then be gnashing their teeth as usual at.......the 'incompetent green council'!! You couldn't make it up![/p][/quote]The 'moanerati', which is not a real word but something invented by green spokespeople, know exactly what is happening behind the scenes. The same as is happening at the scenes i.e. almost nothing. Bluenoses please try not to insult the Argus readers, who travel round the city and see what little is being done at the various road work sites. I agree some sort of skill must be present behind the scenes to be able to find such inept companies to repair the cities roads[/p][/quote]Of course you haven't got a clue what is actually going on - but don't let that get in the way of talking tripe!![/p][/quote]Well tell us what s going on then, as you seem to know so much. When in travel round the city all I see is road works with no one working at them. So instead of insulting the commentators, maybe you could do something useful and inform us. You said earlier the seafront road works were being carried out in summer because they happened at the beginning of summer, so why are the contractors not working 24 hrs. a day to get the work done? Eastern drags on with very few people working. The green council employ these contractors on our behalf, from what I see we are not getting our moneys worth[/p][/quote]On what basis are you suggesting we are not getting our moneys worth? Because without that knowledge you are in fact talking tripe! I am only commenting on the seafront roadworks but like virtually every commenter on here I do not know what is happening and don't pretend too - however, as someone who works in construction, I understand that there must be a lot more going on behind the scenes than is apparent when going past the site over the Fortune of War - after all it's not just about filling in the 1m2 hole that you can see as you drive past is it?!. As I previously stated there will be a lot of people, agencies and service providers involved in surveying the area and the actual causes of the problem both at the initial site and along the likely length of Kings Road. You ask 'why aren't they working 24 hours a day?' Perhaps you would like to tell us exactly what they should be doing in those 24 hour days because without detailed surveys, specifications, drawings and understanding of how any works will impact on existing water, gas, electricity, drainage, major sewers, telecomms services etc as well as the structural issues involved then any works required can't be commenced! THEN there is the placing of contracts with the contractor and likely numerous utilities companies and the overall co-ordination and planning of the works - everyone wants this road back to normal ASAP - including the Green-led council believe it or not - unfortunately all of this is a little more complicated and a lot more time-consuming than the moanerati seem to realise!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -2

11:59am Sun 29 Jun 14

brighton bluenose says...

Quiterie wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
ohhumanity wrote:
Repair works to continue for four weeks? I'm sorry, but to use the word 'continue', wouldn't that mean they've actually started? I drive down the seafront almost every day, never seen a single person working on that site. The traffic lights should be turned off, they stop people for no reason. Leaving them on for pedestrians is pointless, as there is an underground tunnel DIRECTLY under those lights for people to get to the seafront. These roadworks have been a complete shambles, and I am willing to bet money that, at the end of july, the roadworks will be extended again.
For starters the tunnel is for people to get to the LOWER prom - what about the people who just want to cross the road at the bottom of West St to reach the upper prom?! As for not seeing anything going on at 'the hole' do you not realise it is the surveys etc etc BELOW ground that are taking the time??!
THAT'S why you and all the other whingers can't see what's going on - it can't be that difficult to comprehend this surely?!
2 months to carry out a survey?

You have exceptionally low expectations and standards.

You don't work for the Council do you?
See above post!!
[quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ohhumanity[/bold] wrote: Repair works to continue for four weeks? I'm sorry, but to use the word 'continue', wouldn't that mean they've actually started? I drive down the seafront almost every day, never seen a single person working on that site. The traffic lights should be turned off, they stop people for no reason. Leaving them on for pedestrians is pointless, as there is an underground tunnel DIRECTLY under those lights for people to get to the seafront. These roadworks have been a complete shambles, and I am willing to bet money that, at the end of july, the roadworks will be extended again.[/p][/quote]For starters the tunnel is for people to get to the LOWER prom - what about the people who just want to cross the road at the bottom of West St to reach the upper prom?! As for not seeing anything going on at 'the hole' do you not realise it is the surveys etc etc BELOW ground that are taking the time??! THAT'S why you and all the other whingers can't see what's going on - it can't be that difficult to comprehend this surely?![/p][/quote]2 months to carry out a survey? You have exceptionally low expectations and standards. You don't work for the Council do you?[/p][/quote]See above post!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -1
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