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Street party 'is at risk'

The Argus: Street party 'is at risk' Street party 'is at risk'

PRIDE organisers say plans for a ticketed street party could be in jeopardy if all local businesses don’t give their full backing.

Brighton Pride bosses insist a new wristbanded system is necessary to ensure that the street party in St James’s Street is safe.

But rebelling venue owners in the street say they won’t pay towards the costs of the security.

Other opponents have questioned the legality of the road closure and are threatening legal action.

Organisers say they want to avoid a repeat of last year’s event where more than 30,000 revellers were estimated to have flocked to the Village Street Party putting attendees at risk of harm.

This year revellers will be asked to buy £5 wristbands, £1 of which goes to charity, to enter the party with security barriers closing off an area around St James’s Street and Marine Parade.

Roads will be closed from 4pm on Saturday August 2 to 3am the following morning and then 2pm to 10pm on Sunday August 3.

Venues and retailers within the barriers are being asked to only sell alcohol to wristband holders.

But The Argus has learned some venue and shop bosses are balking at having to pay hundreds of pounds towards security measures.

One manager who wished to remain anonymous said: “We were told at the meeting that it will cost £50,000 for security this year, but they are hoping for up to 18,000 wristbands to be sold with £4 each paying for security.

“So why do they need our money as well? Either it’s wristband funded or it’s business funded but not both.

“We would rather give the money we usually pay towards the street party, which we have supported very generously in the past, to a charity of our customers’ choosing instead.”

Former Sussex Police officer Stuart Bower plans to launch judicial review proceedings should the road closure go ahead, claiming the shutting down of the Queen’s highway was illegal.

Brighton Pride director Paul Kemp said he needed 100 per cent support from all licensed businesses and shops or Pride would have to “reconsider its position”. He said: “At the moment we are delighted to say that 95 per cent of local businesses are on board and have agreed to sell the wristbands which will help pay for the extra infrastructure costs this year and help raise money for the Rainbow Fund.

“We urge everyone else to join us in working towards a successful, sustainable and safe Pride Village Party in 2014 and a successful Pride in 2015.”

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7:45am Mon 7 Jul 14

hoveguyactually says...

The whole idea of a public thoroughfare being closed off to those who refuse to pay to enter it, is appalling. Isn't it enough that Preston Park, another public amenity, is closed to the non-paying public during that period? This reeks of political correctness on the part of the council for permitting it to take place. The idea that St James Street is a village is absolute nonsense. It is a public street where day to day shopping takes place, among cafes, pubs and residential streets. I hope the idea is abandoned before it gets going. The shopkeepers should stand firmly against it.
The whole idea of a public thoroughfare being closed off to those who refuse to pay to enter it, is appalling. Isn't it enough that Preston Park, another public amenity, is closed to the non-paying public during that period? This reeks of political correctness on the part of the council for permitting it to take place. The idea that St James Street is a village is absolute nonsense. It is a public street where day to day shopping takes place, among cafes, pubs and residential streets. I hope the idea is abandoned before it gets going. The shopkeepers should stand firmly against it. hoveguyactually
  • Score: 68

7:56am Mon 7 Jul 14

chrismilo says...

I live nr St James St I for one will not be paying 5 quid for a wrist band to walk in my own street in which I pay enough council tax
Also is the proposal to give free black bands to residents is not good enough if Family and freiends visit that Weekend they will not be allowed in the area by street patrols also local residents WILL NOT be allowed to buy alcohol in the local Shops What a load of cr@p
I have supported and enjoyed pride for years this is the last straw after making People pay to go in a PUBLIC PARK now a PUBLIC STREETS
SHAME ON YOU ! Time to end what is a Commercial racket
I live nr St James St I for one will not be paying 5 quid for a wrist band to walk in my own street in which I pay enough council tax Also is the proposal to give free black bands to residents is not good enough if Family and freiends visit that Weekend they will not be allowed in the area by street patrols also local residents WILL NOT be allowed to buy alcohol in the local Shops What a load of cr@p I have supported and enjoyed pride for years this is the last straw after making People pay to go in a PUBLIC PARK now a PUBLIC STREETS SHAME ON YOU ! Time to end what is a Commercial racket chrismilo
  • Score: 69

8:07am Mon 7 Jul 14

Take it Personally says...

Asking businesses to sell alcohol only to wristband holders? That's a pretty big ask on a weekend when they would probably sell a lot more to everyone.
I don't see how this can work. If they want to have a ticketed only event, then have it somewhere else. As for closing off Marine Parade? That will only make everyone resent the event and all those attending. It doesn't appear to be well planned or thought through.
Asking businesses to sell alcohol only to wristband holders? That's a pretty big ask on a weekend when they would probably sell a lot more to everyone. I don't see how this can work. If they want to have a ticketed only event, then have it somewhere else. As for closing off Marine Parade? That will only make everyone resent the event and all those attending. It doesn't appear to be well planned or thought through. Take it Personally
  • Score: 44

8:10am Mon 7 Jul 14

Fight_Back says...

I get where the businesses ( and locals ) are coming from. Pride might well be a worthwhile cause but what makes them think they should be allowed to curtail local business and prevent locals from buying alcohol and services unless they pay the £5 blackmail money ? Utterly wrong.
I get where the businesses ( and locals ) are coming from. Pride might well be a worthwhile cause but what makes them think they should be allowed to curtail local business and prevent locals from buying alcohol and services unless they pay the £5 blackmail money ? Utterly wrong. Fight_Back
  • Score: 41

8:10am Mon 7 Jul 14

JKW says...

Joke...if I want to visit a friend in Jimmy st I have to pay £5 or if it's last minute I can't give over Brighton Council...you'll be putting charging meters on the A23 on a sunny day soon.
Joke...if I want to visit a friend in Jimmy st I have to pay £5 or if it's last minute I can't give over Brighton Council...you'll be putting charging meters on the A23 on a sunny day soon. JKW
  • Score: 28

8:22am Mon 7 Jul 14

Withdean-er says...

"Revellers". A trendy term that has crept into common use over the last 15 years, abbreviating young people getting smashed (or high), and some older folk doing the same refusing to gain grace with age. Whatever, a binge on booze and narcotics, to prove that you are whacky and fun.
"Revellers". A trendy term that has crept into common use over the last 15 years, abbreviating young people getting smashed (or high), and some older folk doing the same refusing to gain grace with age. Whatever, a binge on booze and narcotics, to prove that you are whacky and fun. Withdean-er
  • Score: 14

8:51am Mon 7 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

So Kemp claims to have secured moneys from 95% of the businesses along the street......isn't that enough to cover the costs?
So Kemp claims to have secured moneys from 95% of the businesses along the street......isn't that enough to cover the costs? stevo!!
  • Score: 28

9:00am Mon 7 Jul 14

her professional says...

We are talking about 19 hours over one weekend in the year, and even less than that for the Park. What's all the fuss about.
We are talking about 19 hours over one weekend in the year, and even less than that for the Park. What's all the fuss about. her professional
  • Score: -62

9:05am Mon 7 Jul 14

Kate234 says...

Good news. This is just not fair on local residents and businesses. I have tried applying for these free bands and the organisers don't bother answering the emails. I suppose they are trying to force residents to pay to use the streets to. These streets are owned by all. It is not a private music venue or piece of land. Perhaps in fact pride should just move to Glastonbury or somewhere that is private and can cater for the festival if it has outgrown Brighton as the city seems no longer suitable.
Good news. This is just not fair on local residents and businesses. I have tried applying for these free bands and the organisers don't bother answering the emails. I suppose they are trying to force residents to pay to use the streets to. These streets are owned by all. It is not a private music venue or piece of land. Perhaps in fact pride should just move to Glastonbury or somewhere that is private and can cater for the festival if it has outgrown Brighton as the city seems no longer suitable. Kate234
  • Score: 44

9:28am Mon 7 Jul 14

Fight_Back says...

her professional wrote:
We are talking about 19 hours over one weekend in the year, and even less than that for the Park. What's all the fuss about.
So if YOU had to pay to get access to your local services just because someone wanted to hold a party, you'd be OK with that ?
[quote][p][bold]her professional[/bold] wrote: We are talking about 19 hours over one weekend in the year, and even less than that for the Park. What's all the fuss about.[/p][/quote]So if YOU had to pay to get access to your local services just because someone wanted to hold a party, you'd be OK with that ? Fight_Back
  • Score: 49

9:43am Mon 7 Jul 14

kemptown75 says...

Hopefully the Pride organisers will finally start to listen to the businesses & residents affected by their plans for a double sized, ticked street party.
We the residents clearly stated at the two public consultations that we DID NOT WANT A TICKETED EVENT!
And most of us do not want to be living, sandwiched between two Street parties for a whole weekend.
We have been ignored by Pride & the council.
Hopefully the lack of business support for this scheme will be the end of the ridiculous idea.
As part of the council grant to Pride this year they have to take some responsibility for the running of street party. They need to accept this & get on with putting on the very basic’s that have worked in the past & stop winging!
If Pride is short of money, then they should find real sponsors for the larger marquees at the park instead of putting personal business interests first.
Also we see the Rainbow fund buckets every year at the street party so why are they not giving back to the event?
Come on Pride, stop upsetting everyone & start working with the community you are supposed to represent!
Maybe one day we will see Brighton gay venues represented in the Parade again.
Hopefully the Pride organisers will finally start to listen to the businesses & residents affected by their plans for a double sized, ticked street party. We the residents clearly stated at the two public consultations that we DID NOT WANT A TICKETED EVENT! And most of us do not want to be living, sandwiched between two Street parties for a whole weekend. We have been ignored by Pride & the council. Hopefully the lack of business support for this scheme will be the end of the ridiculous idea. As part of the council grant to Pride this year they have to take some responsibility for the running of street party. They need to accept this & get on with putting on the very basic’s that have worked in the past & stop winging! If Pride is short of money, then they should find real sponsors for the larger marquees at the park instead of putting personal business interests first. Also we see the Rainbow fund buckets every year at the street party so why are they not giving back to the event? Come on Pride, stop upsetting everyone & start working with the community you are supposed to represent! Maybe one day we will see Brighton gay venues represented in the Parade again. kemptown75
  • Score: 32

10:05am Mon 7 Jul 14

NickBrt says...

I love Pride parade but this is a daft decision. I would be mighty annoyed if I lived in the area to have to show a special wrist band just to get to my home or go to the local shop.
I love Pride parade but this is a daft decision. I would be mighty annoyed if I lived in the area to have to show a special wrist band just to get to my home or go to the local shop. NickBrt
  • Score: 28

10:19am Mon 7 Jul 14

Patsyr says...

her professional wrote:
We are talking about 19 hours over one weekend in the year, and even less than that for the Park. What's all the fuss about.
The "fuss" is that local residents are being restricted from using Preston Park, St Jamess Street and Marine Parade during a whole weekend then for clean up which is usually considerable.

We pay our taxes, these are public areas and we don't want to be stopped from using them if we want to. What don't you understand about that?
[quote][p][bold]her professional[/bold] wrote: We are talking about 19 hours over one weekend in the year, and even less than that for the Park. What's all the fuss about.[/p][/quote]The "fuss" is that local residents are being restricted from using Preston Park, St Jamess Street and Marine Parade during a whole weekend then for clean up which is usually considerable. We pay our taxes, these are public areas and we don't want to be stopped from using them if we want to. What don't you understand about that? Patsyr
  • Score: 40

10:21am Mon 7 Jul 14

John60 says...

God this city likes a moan. I thought Brighton was meant to be a party town? No mention of how much money pride brings into Brighton for everyone such as , hotels, shop keepers, restaurants. Bars etc. Everyone would miss pride should it ever come to an end, which one day it may do with all the negativity around the event . Then all the Brighton business will be sorry.
God this city likes a moan. I thought Brighton was meant to be a party town? No mention of how much money pride brings into Brighton for everyone such as , hotels, shop keepers, restaurants. Bars etc. Everyone would miss pride should it ever come to an end, which one day it may do with all the negativity around the event . Then all the Brighton business will be sorry. John60
  • Score: -42

10:37am Mon 7 Jul 14

Fight_Back says...

John60 wrote:
God this city likes a moan. I thought Brighton was meant to be a party town? No mention of how much money pride brings into Brighton for everyone such as , hotels, shop keepers, restaurants. Bars etc. Everyone would miss pride should it ever come to an end, which one day it may do with all the negativity around the event . Then all the Brighton business will be sorry.
If it brings in so much money then why do the locals have to pay for a wrist band ? Give it to them for free.
[quote][p][bold]John60[/bold] wrote: God this city likes a moan. I thought Brighton was meant to be a party town? No mention of how much money pride brings into Brighton for everyone such as , hotels, shop keepers, restaurants. Bars etc. Everyone would miss pride should it ever come to an end, which one day it may do with all the negativity around the event . Then all the Brighton business will be sorry.[/p][/quote]If it brings in so much money then why do the locals have to pay for a wrist band ? Give it to them for free. Fight_Back
  • Score: 36

10:49am Mon 7 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

"Pride might well be a worthwhile cause ....."

What 'cause' is that, exactly?

If it's designed to upset as many people as possible, or to show how sad these people are, then I see nothing worthwhile in that.

" Everyone would miss pride should it ever come to an end, which one day it may do with all the negativity around the event ."

Does that 'everyone' include those Brighton residents who loathe Pride?
"Pride might well be a worthwhile cause ....." What 'cause' is that, exactly? If it's designed to upset as many people as possible, or to show how sad these people are, then I see nothing worthwhile in that. " Everyone would miss pride should it ever come to an end, which one day it may do with all the negativity around the event ." Does that 'everyone' include those Brighton residents who loathe Pride? stevo!!
  • Score: 17

10:57am Mon 7 Jul 14

Fight_Back says...

stevo!! wrote:
"Pride might well be a worthwhile cause ....."

What 'cause' is that, exactly?

If it's designed to upset as many people as possible, or to show how sad these people are, then I see nothing worthwhile in that.

" Everyone would miss pride should it ever come to an end, which one day it may do with all the negativity around the event ."

Does that 'everyone' include those Brighton residents who loathe Pride?
That cause is promoting equality across the board. I'm proud to live in a forward looking city that allows people to be themselves without prejudice or fear because they are gay, a certain race, a certain religion etc. Pride re-enforces that and that is why I'm disappointed they wish to block a public area from locals actually using it.
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: "Pride might well be a worthwhile cause ....." What 'cause' is that, exactly? If it's designed to upset as many people as possible, or to show how sad these people are, then I see nothing worthwhile in that. " Everyone would miss pride should it ever come to an end, which one day it may do with all the negativity around the event ." Does that 'everyone' include those Brighton residents who loathe Pride?[/p][/quote]That cause is promoting equality across the board. I'm proud to live in a forward looking city that allows people to be themselves without prejudice or fear because they are gay, a certain race, a certain religion etc. Pride re-enforces that and that is why I'm disappointed they wish to block a public area from locals actually using it. Fight_Back
  • Score: 6

11:03am Mon 7 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

Fight_Back wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
"Pride might well be a worthwhile cause ....."

What 'cause' is that, exactly?

If it's designed to upset as many people as possible, or to show how sad these people are, then I see nothing worthwhile in that.

" Everyone would miss pride should it ever come to an end, which one day it may do with all the negativity around the event ."

Does that 'everyone' include those Brighton residents who loathe Pride?
That cause is promoting equality across the board. I'm proud to live in a forward looking city that allows people to be themselves without prejudice or fear because they are gay, a certain race, a certain religion etc. Pride re-enforces that and that is why I'm disappointed they wish to block a public area from locals actually using it.
But these people are gay on a daily basis, right?

Frankly, I don't see much evidence of 'equality promotion' during Pride events. All I see is the flaunting of orientation, often in a lewd manner which would lead to arrests on any other weekend.
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: "Pride might well be a worthwhile cause ....." What 'cause' is that, exactly? If it's designed to upset as many people as possible, or to show how sad these people are, then I see nothing worthwhile in that. " Everyone would miss pride should it ever come to an end, which one day it may do with all the negativity around the event ." Does that 'everyone' include those Brighton residents who loathe Pride?[/p][/quote]That cause is promoting equality across the board. I'm proud to live in a forward looking city that allows people to be themselves without prejudice or fear because they are gay, a certain race, a certain religion etc. Pride re-enforces that and that is why I'm disappointed they wish to block a public area from locals actually using it.[/p][/quote]But these people are gay on a daily basis, right? Frankly, I don't see much evidence of 'equality promotion' during Pride events. All I see is the flaunting of orientation, often in a lewd manner which would lead to arrests on any other weekend. stevo!!
  • Score: 13

11:13am Mon 7 Jul 14

Fight_Back says...

stevo!! wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
"Pride might well be a worthwhile cause ....."

What 'cause' is that, exactly?

If it's designed to upset as many people as possible, or to show how sad these people are, then I see nothing worthwhile in that.

" Everyone would miss pride should it ever come to an end, which one day it may do with all the negativity around the event ."

Does that 'everyone' include those Brighton residents who loathe Pride?
That cause is promoting equality across the board. I'm proud to live in a forward looking city that allows people to be themselves without prejudice or fear because they are gay, a certain race, a certain religion etc. Pride re-enforces that and that is why I'm disappointed they wish to block a public area from locals actually using it.
But these people are gay on a daily basis, right?

Frankly, I don't see much evidence of 'equality promotion' during Pride events. All I see is the flaunting of orientation, often in a lewd manner which would lead to arrests on any other weekend.
Idiot !!!!
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: "Pride might well be a worthwhile cause ....." What 'cause' is that, exactly? If it's designed to upset as many people as possible, or to show how sad these people are, then I see nothing worthwhile in that. " Everyone would miss pride should it ever come to an end, which one day it may do with all the negativity around the event ." Does that 'everyone' include those Brighton residents who loathe Pride?[/p][/quote]That cause is promoting equality across the board. I'm proud to live in a forward looking city that allows people to be themselves without prejudice or fear because they are gay, a certain race, a certain religion etc. Pride re-enforces that and that is why I'm disappointed they wish to block a public area from locals actually using it.[/p][/quote]But these people are gay on a daily basis, right? Frankly, I don't see much evidence of 'equality promotion' during Pride events. All I see is the flaunting of orientation, often in a lewd manner which would lead to arrests on any other weekend.[/p][/quote]Idiot !!!! Fight_Back
  • Score: -17

11:15am Mon 7 Jul 14

BURIRAM says...

Time the party was over for St James Street and moved to the Beach
Time the party was over for St James Street and moved to the Beach BURIRAM
  • Score: 20

11:16am Mon 7 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

Fight_Back wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
"Pride might well be a worthwhile cause ....."

What 'cause' is that, exactly?

If it's designed to upset as many people as possible, or to show how sad these people are, then I see nothing worthwhile in that.

" Everyone would miss pride should it ever come to an end, which one day it may do with all the negativity around the event ."

Does that 'everyone' include those Brighton residents who loathe Pride?
That cause is promoting equality across the board. I'm proud to live in a forward looking city that allows people to be themselves without prejudice or fear because they are gay, a certain race, a certain religion etc. Pride re-enforces that and that is why I'm disappointed they wish to block a public area from locals actually using it.
But these people are gay on a daily basis, right?

Frankly, I don't see much evidence of 'equality promotion' during Pride events. All I see is the flaunting of orientation, often in a lewd manner which would lead to arrests on any other weekend.
Idiot !!!!
Have you no response to my points, luv?

Diddums......
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: "Pride might well be a worthwhile cause ....." What 'cause' is that, exactly? If it's designed to upset as many people as possible, or to show how sad these people are, then I see nothing worthwhile in that. " Everyone would miss pride should it ever come to an end, which one day it may do with all the negativity around the event ." Does that 'everyone' include those Brighton residents who loathe Pride?[/p][/quote]That cause is promoting equality across the board. I'm proud to live in a forward looking city that allows people to be themselves without prejudice or fear because they are gay, a certain race, a certain religion etc. Pride re-enforces that and that is why I'm disappointed they wish to block a public area from locals actually using it.[/p][/quote]But these people are gay on a daily basis, right? Frankly, I don't see much evidence of 'equality promotion' during Pride events. All I see is the flaunting of orientation, often in a lewd manner which would lead to arrests on any other weekend.[/p][/quote]Idiot !!!![/p][/quote]Have you no response to my points, luv? Diddums...... stevo!!
  • Score: 7

11:22am Mon 7 Jul 14

Fight_Back says...

stevo!! wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
"Pride might well be a worthwhile cause ....."

What 'cause' is that, exactly?

If it's designed to upset as many people as possible, or to show how sad these people are, then I see nothing worthwhile in that.

" Everyone would miss pride should it ever come to an end, which one day it may do with all the negativity around the event ."

Does that 'everyone' include those Brighton residents who loathe Pride?
That cause is promoting equality across the board. I'm proud to live in a forward looking city that allows people to be themselves without prejudice or fear because they are gay, a certain race, a certain religion etc. Pride re-enforces that and that is why I'm disappointed they wish to block a public area from locals actually using it.
But these people are gay on a daily basis, right?

Frankly, I don't see much evidence of 'equality promotion' during Pride events. All I see is the flaunting of orientation, often in a lewd manner which would lead to arrests on any other weekend.
Idiot !!!!
Have you no response to my points, luv?

Diddums......
That's because you haven't made any salient points - instead you just posted homophobic prejudices. When you actually manage to make an intelligent and worthwhile point I might decide to respond with a better argument. Until then you just look like a prat.
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: "Pride might well be a worthwhile cause ....." What 'cause' is that, exactly? If it's designed to upset as many people as possible, or to show how sad these people are, then I see nothing worthwhile in that. " Everyone would miss pride should it ever come to an end, which one day it may do with all the negativity around the event ." Does that 'everyone' include those Brighton residents who loathe Pride?[/p][/quote]That cause is promoting equality across the board. I'm proud to live in a forward looking city that allows people to be themselves without prejudice or fear because they are gay, a certain race, a certain religion etc. Pride re-enforces that and that is why I'm disappointed they wish to block a public area from locals actually using it.[/p][/quote]But these people are gay on a daily basis, right? Frankly, I don't see much evidence of 'equality promotion' during Pride events. All I see is the flaunting of orientation, often in a lewd manner which would lead to arrests on any other weekend.[/p][/quote]Idiot !!!![/p][/quote]Have you no response to my points, luv? Diddums......[/p][/quote]That's because you haven't made any salient points - instead you just posted homophobic prejudices. When you actually manage to make an intelligent and worthwhile point I might decide to respond with a better argument. Until then you just look like a prat. Fight_Back
  • Score: -19

11:29am Mon 7 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

"That's because you haven't made any salient points "

Really?

1) Flaunting one's sexuality in public is hardly likely to make people go "wow, that made any prejudices I might have had simply disappear"

2) Many Brighton residents loathe Pride and the people involved with it.

3) Pride events are just as likely to increase homophobia as reduce it.

4) Charging entry to public places is a sure way of increasing homophobia.

5) Pride has become a cash-cow for the organisers.

6) People are gay 365 days a year......what are they doing to 'promote equality' on the the other 364?

All those points have been raised in my posts.

HTH
"That's because you haven't made any salient points " Really? 1) Flaunting one's sexuality in public is hardly likely to make people go "wow, that made any prejudices I might have had simply disappear" 2) Many Brighton residents loathe Pride and the people involved with it. 3) Pride events are just as likely to increase homophobia as reduce it. 4) Charging entry to public places is a sure way of increasing homophobia. 5) Pride has become a cash-cow for the organisers. 6) People are gay 365 days a year......what are they doing to 'promote equality' on the the other 364? All those points have been raised in my posts. HTH stevo!!
  • Score: 15

11:32am Mon 7 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

" instead you just posted homophobic prejudices. "

Quote ONE.......if you can.
" instead you just posted homophobic prejudices. " Quote ONE.......if you can. stevo!!
  • Score: -2

11:44am Mon 7 Jul 14

Fight_Back says...

stevo!! wrote:
"That's because you haven't made any salient points "

Really?

1) Flaunting one's sexuality in public is hardly likely to make people go "wow, that made any prejudices I might have had simply disappear"

2) Many Brighton residents loathe Pride and the people involved with it.

3) Pride events are just as likely to increase homophobia as reduce it.

4) Charging entry to public places is a sure way of increasing homophobia.

5) Pride has become a cash-cow for the organisers.

6) People are gay 365 days a year......what are they doing to 'promote equality' on the the other 364?

All those points have been raised in my posts.

HTH
1. Not sure you're making a point on this one but I suggest you go to the beach on a hot day or West Street most nights to see people "flaunting their sexuality" regardless of whether they are straight or gay.

2. Really ? Loathe ? I doubt that and those that do are probably repressed sexually or virgins.

3. How ?

4. How ? I don't agree with the charging but then you would have been charged to go and see Rod Stewart at the Amex so I guess that increased anti-Scottish feelings ?

5. Agreed

6. You clearly live a very sheltered life if you don't notice all the campaigns to stamp out homophobic attitudes like the one you have that run the whole year. Even football fans support these campaigns - you know those 'thugs' that like a fight !

I guess there is no turning a racist homophob like you though.
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: "That's because you haven't made any salient points " Really? 1) Flaunting one's sexuality in public is hardly likely to make people go "wow, that made any prejudices I might have had simply disappear" 2) Many Brighton residents loathe Pride and the people involved with it. 3) Pride events are just as likely to increase homophobia as reduce it. 4) Charging entry to public places is a sure way of increasing homophobia. 5) Pride has become a cash-cow for the organisers. 6) People are gay 365 days a year......what are they doing to 'promote equality' on the the other 364? All those points have been raised in my posts. HTH[/p][/quote]1. Not sure you're making a point on this one but I suggest you go to the beach on a hot day or West Street most nights to see people "flaunting their sexuality" regardless of whether they are straight or gay. 2. Really ? Loathe ? I doubt that and those that do are probably repressed sexually or virgins. 3. How ? 4. How ? I don't agree with the charging but then you would have been charged to go and see Rod Stewart at the Amex so I guess that increased anti-Scottish feelings ? 5. Agreed 6. You clearly live a very sheltered life if you don't notice all the campaigns to stamp out homophobic attitudes like the one you have that run the whole year. Even football fans support these campaigns - you know those 'thugs' that like a fight ! I guess there is no turning a racist homophob like you though. Fight_Back
  • Score: -18

12:01pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Stephano says...

John60 wrote:
God this city likes a moan. I thought Brighton was meant to be a party town? No mention of how much money pride brings into Brighton for everyone such as , hotels, shop keepers, restaurants. Bars etc. Everyone would miss pride should it ever come to an end, which one day it may do with all the negativity around the event . Then all the Brighton business will be sorry.
Sorry but where does this benefit the residents?
Businesses profit yes at the expense of e residents.
[quote][p][bold]John60[/bold] wrote: God this city likes a moan. I thought Brighton was meant to be a party town? No mention of how much money pride brings into Brighton for everyone such as , hotels, shop keepers, restaurants. Bars etc. Everyone would miss pride should it ever come to an end, which one day it may do with all the negativity around the event . Then all the Brighton business will be sorry.[/p][/quote]Sorry but where does this benefit the residents? Businesses profit yes at the expense of e residents. Stephano
  • Score: 30

12:01pm Mon 7 Jul 14

ruberducker says...

If the law has deemed it breaking the law to close the queens highway....if it goes ahead.perhaps the courts will not mind the non payment of council tax .. as of course the council will approve the closure..and in essance brake the law.
If the law has deemed it breaking the law to close the queens highway....if it goes ahead.perhaps the courts will not mind the non payment of council tax .. as of course the council will approve the closure..and in essance brake the law. ruberducker
  • Score: 22

12:11pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Stephano says...

stevo!! wrote:
So Kemp claims to have secured moneys from 95% of the businesses along the street......isn't that enough to cover the costs?
I have spoken with several business owners in St James St and they do not repeat DO NOT support the paying to enter the area. Let pride publish the names of this in support and those against it?
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: So Kemp claims to have secured moneys from 95% of the businesses along the street......isn't that enough to cover the costs?[/p][/quote]I have spoken with several business owners in St James St and they do not repeat DO NOT support the paying to enter the area. Let pride publish the names of this in support and those against it? Stephano
  • Score: 34

12:12pm Mon 7 Jul 14

NickBrt says...

If it is the queens highway I guess letting all us queens use it is a fit thing to do. Can't wait to meet stevo there - NOT!
If it is the queens highway I guess letting all us queens use it is a fit thing to do. Can't wait to meet stevo there - NOT! NickBrt
  • Score: -15

12:30pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Stephano says...

I live in Kemp Town Village as do many other people. But would like to point out that the village starts at the top of St James street by the traffic lights and not further down as pride claims so it cannot be a village party?
Now I have checked and no other pride event throughout the UK where they are held charge for entrance. Which is in all essence a street party for all. Just because of bad management and money disappearing in the past, pride is essentially making the residents pay for their bad management. I am disabled and live in Kemp Town village and use St James street for my shopping and to be told that I have to buy wristband for £5 is morally wrong and illegal, like many other residents I pay taxes and should not be forced to pay to go shopping in my local community! Although I do live in the village In am outside the Pride's mas version of the village. And to be told that I cannot buy alcohol in the local supermarket or pubs is wrong too. On the subject of wristbands they cost £5 at £2 per day that is £4 not £5. But you are demanding that I make a donation of £1 to your charity? Donation by its vertue is voluntary not mandatory, so in theory and practice you are demanding money by force, because if someone refuses to pay you are forcing them to shop elsewhere and possibly at more cost to themselves.
Have your street party by all means but don't make the locals pay. If you cannot manage that then In would suggest it is time to close up your over priced shop!
I live in Kemp Town Village as do many other people. But would like to point out that the village starts at the top of St James street by the traffic lights and not further down as pride claims so it cannot be a village party? Now I have checked and no other pride event throughout the UK where they are held charge for entrance. Which is in all essence a street party for all. Just because of bad management and money disappearing in the past, pride is essentially making the residents pay for their bad management. I am disabled and live in Kemp Town village and use St James street for my shopping and to be told that I have to buy wristband for £5 is morally wrong and illegal, like many other residents I pay taxes and should not be forced to pay to go shopping in my local community! Although I do live in the village In am outside the Pride's mas version of the village. And to be told that I cannot buy alcohol in the local supermarket or pubs is wrong too. On the subject of wristbands they cost £5 at £2 per day that is £4 not £5. But you are demanding that I make a donation of £1 to your charity? Donation by its vertue is voluntary not mandatory, so in theory and practice you are demanding money by force, because if someone refuses to pay you are forcing them to shop elsewhere and possibly at more cost to themselves. Have your street party by all means but don't make the locals pay. If you cannot manage that then In would suggest it is time to close up your over priced shop! Stephano
  • Score: 39

12:33pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Stephano says...

Is there a petition anywhere against the sale of wrist bands and total road closures. I would sign it.
Is there a petition anywhere against the sale of wrist bands and total road closures. I would sign it. Stephano
  • Score: 28

12:45pm Mon 7 Jul 14

cookie_brighton says...

her professional wrote:
We are talking about 19 hours over one weekend in the year, and even less than that for the Park. What's all the fuss about.
the fuss is..........St James street, like Preston Park are public places, why on that weekend have residents of Brighton have to pay to enter these two public places...........IF I applied for a straight pride, the council would laugh me out of their chambers........enou
gh is enough.
[quote][p][bold]her professional[/bold] wrote: We are talking about 19 hours over one weekend in the year, and even less than that for the Park. What's all the fuss about.[/p][/quote]the fuss is..........St James street, like Preston Park are public places, why on that weekend have residents of Brighton have to pay to enter these two public places...........IF I applied for a straight pride, the council would laugh me out of their chambers........enou gh is enough. cookie_brighton
  • Score: 16

1:00pm Mon 7 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

"1. Not sure you're making a point on this one but I suggest you go to the beach on a hot day or West Street most nights to see people "flaunting their sexuality" regardless of whether they are straight or gay. "

So you have no idea that Pride is all about pride with being gay.

Oh dear.....

"2. Really ? Loathe ? I doubt that and those that do are probably repressed sexually or virgins."

So you doubt that people loathe Pride but feel able to comment upon those people who you claim don't even exist.

Confused, much?

"3. How ?"

By simply existing.

"4. How ? I don't agree with the charging but then you would have been charged to go and see Rod Stewart at the Amex so I guess that increased anti-Scottish feelings ?"

People resent paying anything that looks like a fop to gay people.

"6. You clearly live a very sheltered life if you don't notice all the campaigns to stamp out homophobic attitudes..."

Oh dear....you seem to think that 'stamping out' homophobic attitudes equates to the promotion of homosexuality.

The two aren't even remotely connected. One relates to stopping people expressing their thoughts, the other refers to saying how 'wonderful' being gay is.

"I guess there is no turning a racist homophob like you though"

You've already admitted that I've not posted anything homophobic, so your accusation of racism can be filed away under 'Comments from desperate liars'.
"1. Not sure you're making a point on this one but I suggest you go to the beach on a hot day or West Street most nights to see people "flaunting their sexuality" regardless of whether they are straight or gay. " So you have no idea that Pride is all about pride with being gay. Oh dear..... "2. Really ? Loathe ? I doubt that and those that do are probably repressed sexually or virgins." So you doubt that people loathe Pride but feel able to comment upon those people who you claim don't even exist. Confused, much? "3. How ?" By simply existing. "4. How ? I don't agree with the charging but then you would have been charged to go and see Rod Stewart at the Amex so I guess that increased anti-Scottish feelings ?" People resent paying anything that looks like a fop to gay people. "6. You clearly live a very sheltered life if you don't notice all the campaigns to stamp out homophobic attitudes..." Oh dear....you seem to think that 'stamping out' homophobic attitudes equates to the promotion of homosexuality. The two aren't even remotely connected. One relates to stopping people expressing their thoughts, the other refers to saying how 'wonderful' being gay is. "I guess there is no turning a racist homophob like you though" You've already admitted that I've not posted anything homophobic, so your accusation of racism can be filed away under 'Comments from desperate liars'. stevo!!
  • Score: 3

3:13pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Brighton2014 says...

Under the 2010 Equality Act it is illegal for a pub to discriminate (either directly or INDIRECTLY) in the provision of goods and services. Refusing to serve someone without a PRIDE-wristband would be ILLEGAL because it is INDIRECT discrimination based on their sexuality.
Under the 2010 Equality Act it is illegal for a pub to discriminate (either directly or INDIRECTLY) in the provision of goods and services. Refusing to serve someone without a PRIDE-wristband would be ILLEGAL because it is INDIRECT discrimination based on their sexuality. Brighton2014
  • Score: 13

5:22pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Bill in Hanover says...

Why don't the Council just demand that residents evacuate Brighton for the week-end and give free rein to these people to get as drunk as possible, snort as much nitrous oxide (and anything else they want to) and engage in public sex acts as happens every year, in fact we should be evacuated for the Monday and Tuesday to allow the Council to follow behind them and clean up the tons of filth they usually leave laying about.
Why don't the Council just demand that residents evacuate Brighton for the week-end and give free rein to these people to get as drunk as possible, snort as much nitrous oxide (and anything else they want to) and engage in public sex acts as happens every year, in fact we should be evacuated for the Monday and Tuesday to allow the Council to follow behind them and clean up the tons of filth they usually leave laying about. Bill in Hanover
  • Score: 10

6:58pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Bill in Hanover says...

cookie_brighton wrote:
her professional wrote:
We are talking about 19 hours over one weekend in the year, and even less than that for the Park. What's all the fuss about.
the fuss is..........St James street, like Preston Park are public places, why on that weekend have residents of Brighton have to pay to enter these two public places...........IF I applied for a straight pride, the council would laugh me out of their chambers........enou

gh is enough.
For the last 2 years Preston Park has been 'out of commission' for up to a week after the Gay Pride event while the Council spent taxpayers money on cleaning up broken bottles, gas cylinders and other junk. Also since the festival in Preston Park has been ticketed the fence gets erected days before the event thereby closing off most of the open area. And before anyone accuses me of homophobia I would also ban the mini car rally, the Land Rover rally and every other rally (apart from the original old crocks rally) that denies the residents access to Madeira Drive.
[quote][p][bold]cookie_brighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]her professional[/bold] wrote: We are talking about 19 hours over one weekend in the year, and even less than that for the Park. What's all the fuss about.[/p][/quote]the fuss is..........St James street, like Preston Park are public places, why on that weekend have residents of Brighton have to pay to enter these two public places...........IF I applied for a straight pride, the council would laugh me out of their chambers........enou gh is enough.[/p][/quote]For the last 2 years Preston Park has been 'out of commission' for up to a week after the Gay Pride event while the Council spent taxpayers money on cleaning up broken bottles, gas cylinders and other junk. Also since the festival in Preston Park has been ticketed the fence gets erected days before the event thereby closing off most of the open area. And before anyone accuses me of homophobia I would also ban the mini car rally, the Land Rover rally and every other rally (apart from the original old crocks rally) that denies the residents access to Madeira Drive. Bill in Hanover
  • Score: 1

7:47pm Mon 7 Jul 14

MonkeyMooToo says...

Bill in Hanover wrote:
cookie_brighton wrote:
her professional wrote:
We are talking about 19 hours over one weekend in the year, and even less than that for the Park. What's all the fuss about.
the fuss is..........St James street, like Preston Park are public places, why on that weekend have residents of Brighton have to pay to enter these two public places...........IF I applied for a straight pride, the council would laugh me out of their chambers........enou


gh is enough.
For the last 2 years Preston Park has been 'out of commission' for up to a week after the Gay Pride event while the Council spent taxpayers money on cleaning up broken bottles, gas cylinders and other junk. Also since the festival in Preston Park has been ticketed the fence gets erected days before the event thereby closing off most of the open area. And before anyone accuses me of homophobia I would also ban the mini car rally, the Land Rover rally and every other rally (apart from the original old crocks rally) that denies the residents access to Madeira Drive.
Homophobe! Miniophobe! Land-Roverophobe! Madeira Driveaphobe...
[quote][p][bold]Bill in Hanover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cookie_brighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]her professional[/bold] wrote: We are talking about 19 hours over one weekend in the year, and even less than that for the Park. What's all the fuss about.[/p][/quote]the fuss is..........St James street, like Preston Park are public places, why on that weekend have residents of Brighton have to pay to enter these two public places...........IF I applied for a straight pride, the council would laugh me out of their chambers........enou gh is enough.[/p][/quote]For the last 2 years Preston Park has been 'out of commission' for up to a week after the Gay Pride event while the Council spent taxpayers money on cleaning up broken bottles, gas cylinders and other junk. Also since the festival in Preston Park has been ticketed the fence gets erected days before the event thereby closing off most of the open area. And before anyone accuses me of homophobia I would also ban the mini car rally, the Land Rover rally and every other rally (apart from the original old crocks rally) that denies the residents access to Madeira Drive.[/p][/quote]Homophobe! Miniophobe! Land-Roverophobe! Madeira Driveaphobe... MonkeyMooToo
  • Score: 6

7:59pm Mon 7 Jul 14

hoveguyactually says...

I am a Councilphobe!
I am a Councilphobe! hoveguyactually
  • Score: 2

8:02pm Mon 7 Jul 14

hoveguyactually says...

The council switchboard number is (01273) 290000, for anyone who wishes to phone and complain. Serve 'em right if their switchboard gets jammed with callers!
The council switchboard number is (01273) 290000, for anyone who wishes to phone and complain. Serve 'em right if their switchboard gets jammed with callers! hoveguyactually
  • Score: 1

8:06pm Mon 7 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

Let's face it.....all this is about the inability of people to decide whether or not partying in an area is a good thing, and the desire for some to make money out of that.

If a street is impassable, most people with brains won't walk along it.

The Pride chappies are basically saying to their fellow gays " You are thick, and we intend to charge you for your lack of intelligence"


Funny how if a hetero said the same thing, the accusations of homophobia would drown out the sound systems.
Let's face it.....all this is about the inability of people to decide whether or not partying in an area is a good thing, and the desire for some to make money out of that. If a street is impassable, most people with brains won't walk along it. The Pride chappies are basically saying to their fellow gays " You are thick, and we intend to charge you for your lack of intelligence" Funny how if a hetero said the same thing, the accusations of homophobia would drown out the sound systems. stevo!!
  • Score: 1

8:17pm Mon 7 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

NickBrt wrote:
If it is the queens highway I guess letting all us queens use it is a fit thing to do. Can't wait to meet stevo there - NOT!
Trust me, sweet cheeks...you won't xxx
[quote][p][bold]NickBrt[/bold] wrote: If it is the queens highway I guess letting all us queens use it is a fit thing to do. Can't wait to meet stevo there - NOT![/p][/quote]Trust me, sweet cheeks...you won't xxx stevo!!
  • Score: 0

8:48pm Mon 7 Jul 14

spurious warnings says...

stevo!! wrote:
NickBrt wrote:
If it is the queens highway I guess letting all us queens use it is a fit thing to do. Can't wait to meet stevo there - NOT!
Trust me, sweet cheeks...you won't xxx
No Stevo!! prefers the quiet of late night cruising, anonymity of the dark, that way he doesn't have to beat up the guy he gets off with before returning to his wife
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NickBrt[/bold] wrote: If it is the queens highway I guess letting all us queens use it is a fit thing to do. Can't wait to meet stevo there - NOT![/p][/quote]Trust me, sweet cheeks...you won't xxx[/p][/quote]No Stevo!! prefers the quiet of late night cruising, anonymity of the dark, that way he doesn't have to beat up the guy he gets off with before returning to his wife spurious warnings
  • Score: -6

8:50pm Mon 7 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

spurious warnings wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
NickBrt wrote:
If it is the queens highway I guess letting all us queens use it is a fit thing to do. Can't wait to meet stevo there - NOT!
Trust me, sweet cheeks...you won't xxx
No Stevo!! prefers the quiet of late night cruising, anonymity of the dark, that way he doesn't have to beat up the guy he gets off with before returning to his wife
You know nothing about me, but thanks for telling us all that you fantasise about what you hope my life consists of....just keep the Kleenex out of it.
[quote][p][bold]spurious warnings[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NickBrt[/bold] wrote: If it is the queens highway I guess letting all us queens use it is a fit thing to do. Can't wait to meet stevo there - NOT![/p][/quote]Trust me, sweet cheeks...you won't xxx[/p][/quote]No Stevo!! prefers the quiet of late night cruising, anonymity of the dark, that way he doesn't have to beat up the guy he gets off with before returning to his wife[/p][/quote]You know nothing about me, but thanks for telling us all that you fantasise about what you hope my life consists of....just keep the Kleenex out of it. stevo!!
  • Score: 1

9:11pm Mon 7 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

" I don't agree with the charging but then you would have been charged to go and see Rod Stewart at the Amex so I guess that increased anti-Scottish feelings ?"

The Amex isn't a public street, and only someone monumentally stupid would need to be told that.

Sorry, Fight_Back...you were saying?
" I don't agree with the charging but then you would have been charged to go and see Rod Stewart at the Amex so I guess that increased anti-Scottish feelings ?" The Amex isn't a public street, and only someone monumentally stupid would need to be told that. Sorry, Fight_Back...you were saying? stevo!!
  • Score: 2

9:23pm Mon 7 Jul 14

NickBrt says...

Stevo Your anger is really turning me on!
Stevo Your anger is really turning me on! NickBrt
  • Score: 0

9:48pm Mon 7 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

NickBrt wrote:
Stevo Your anger is really turning me on!
Easy, tiger x
[quote][p][bold]NickBrt[/bold] wrote: Stevo Your anger is really turning me on![/p][/quote]Easy, tiger x stevo!!
  • Score: 0

9:56pm Mon 7 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

Bill in Hanover wrote:
Why don't the Council just demand that residents evacuate Brighton for the week-end and give free rein to these people to get as drunk as possible, snort as much nitrous oxide (and anything else they want to) and engage in public sex acts as happens every year, in fact we should be evacuated for the Monday and Tuesday to allow the Council to follow behind them and clean up the tons of filth they usually leave laying about.
It's funny how gays are noted for being fastidious about their housework etc and yet they manage to leave tons of debris on public property at a time when they are celebrating their orientation. It's almost a slap in the face to those who praise them for being anal about cleanliness.

The Countryside Alliance left London cleaner than when they found it when they turned up to protest about foxhunting..
[quote][p][bold]Bill in Hanover[/bold] wrote: Why don't the Council just demand that residents evacuate Brighton for the week-end and give free rein to these people to get as drunk as possible, snort as much nitrous oxide (and anything else they want to) and engage in public sex acts as happens every year, in fact we should be evacuated for the Monday and Tuesday to allow the Council to follow behind them and clean up the tons of filth they usually leave laying about.[/p][/quote]It's funny how gays are noted for being fastidious about their housework etc and yet they manage to leave tons of debris on public property at a time when they are celebrating their orientation. It's almost a slap in the face to those who praise them for being anal about cleanliness. The Countryside Alliance left London cleaner than when they found it when they turned up to protest about foxhunting.. stevo!!
  • Score: -2

10:49pm Mon 7 Jul 14

wippasnapper says...

once upon a time the pried festival was a free for all now we have to pay to be apart of it and now they want to close a street to have a wee party O’ but you have to pay to be a part of that wee street party O’ but they also want the businesses to pay for the party in there wee street O’ and you cant sell to just anyone they have got to have a wristband and
“Rebelling venue and retailers” won’t pay towards the costs of the security in St James’s Street why the hell should they pay they pay anoth in biasness tax et and they are there to make money to pay there bills not give it away it’s the Pride Organisers that should be foot the bill they are charging anoth to get in to the venues or is pride these days a money making Organization filling there own pockets B&HCC are becoming more than a joke these days letting these Pride Organisers get away with this sort of outrageous charging of a Residential and Shopping street plus a public park and this is what it states in WikipediA “A park is an area of open space provided for recreational use. It can be in its natural or semi-natural state, or planted, and is set aside for human enjoyment or for the protection of wildlife or natural habitats. It may consist of rocks, soil, water, flora and fauna and grass areas, but may also contain buildings and other artifacts such as play grounds. Many natural parks are protected by law” and this is what it seas about a street party LOL Closures of a Residential Shopping street for a party
Resedentle and Shopping street: Myth 7: You need expensive insurance
There is no requirement from central government to have public liability insurance. Many councils do not insist on it so you should challenge those who do. In “Your guide to organising a street party” https://www.gov.uk/.
../131209_Annex_A_-_
Street_parties
So why are they asking for one the public to pay and the businesses to pay?
once upon a time the pried festival was a free for all now we have to pay to be apart of it and now they want to close a street to have a wee party O’ but you have to pay to be a part of that wee street party O’ but they also want the businesses to pay for the party in there wee street O’ and you cant sell to just anyone they have got to have a wristband and “Rebelling venue and retailers” won’t pay towards the costs of the security in St James’s Street why the hell should they pay they pay anoth in biasness tax et and they are there to make money to pay there bills not give it away it’s the Pride Organisers that should be foot the bill they are charging anoth to get in to the venues or is pride these days a money making Organization filling there own pockets B&HCC are becoming more than a joke these days letting these Pride Organisers get away with this sort of outrageous charging of a Residential and Shopping street plus a public park and this is what it states in WikipediA “A park is an area of open space provided for recreational use. It can be in its natural or semi-natural state, or planted, and is set aside for human enjoyment or for the protection of wildlife or natural habitats. It may consist of rocks, soil, water, flora and fauna and grass areas, but may also contain buildings and other artifacts such as play grounds. Many natural parks are protected by law” and this is what it seas about a street party LOL Closures of a Residential Shopping street for a party Resedentle and Shopping street: Myth 7: You need expensive insurance There is no requirement from central government to have public liability insurance. Many councils do not insist on it so you should challenge those who do. In “Your guide to organising a street party” https://www.gov.uk/. ../131209_Annex_A_-_ Street_parties So why are they asking for one the public to pay and the businesses to pay? wippasnapper
  • Score: 0

11:35pm Mon 7 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

Brighton2014 wrote:
Under the 2010 Equality Act it is illegal for a pub to discriminate (either directly or INDIRECTLY) in the provision of goods and services. Refusing to serve someone without a PRIDE-wristband would be ILLEGAL because it is INDIRECT discrimination based on their sexuality.
Nice thought, but the wristbands are available to all, regardless of their orientation.
[quote][p][bold]Brighton2014[/bold] wrote: Under the 2010 Equality Act it is illegal for a pub to discriminate (either directly or INDIRECTLY) in the provision of goods and services. Refusing to serve someone without a PRIDE-wristband would be ILLEGAL because it is INDIRECT discrimination based on their sexuality.[/p][/quote]Nice thought, but the wristbands are available to all, regardless of their orientation. stevo!!
  • Score: 1

4:01am Tue 8 Jul 14

Tr1stan says...

Brighton2014 wrote:
Under the 2010 Equality Act it is illegal for a pub to discriminate (either directly or INDIRECTLY) in the provision of goods and services. Refusing to serve someone without a PRIDE-wristband would be ILLEGAL because it is INDIRECT discrimination based on their sexuality.
They are refusing to serve you (in this scenario) because you do not hold a valid ticket - not because you're hetero. There are PLENTY of events where you require a ticket to gain entrance - not just Pride. The pubs aren't refusing to serve you - you are being denied access (rightly or wrongly) to an area. Once you gain access (i.e. pay), I am sure they will happily serve you once you become of age (I presume you are minor given your little tantrum outburst)
[quote][p][bold]Brighton2014[/bold] wrote: Under the 2010 Equality Act it is illegal for a pub to discriminate (either directly or INDIRECTLY) in the provision of goods and services. Refusing to serve someone without a PRIDE-wristband would be ILLEGAL because it is INDIRECT discrimination based on their sexuality.[/p][/quote]They are refusing to serve you (in this scenario) because you do not hold a valid ticket - not because you're hetero. There are PLENTY of events where you require a ticket to gain entrance - not just Pride. The pubs aren't refusing to serve you - you are being denied access (rightly or wrongly) to an area. Once you gain access (i.e. pay), I am sure they will happily serve you once you become of age (I presume you are minor given your little tantrum outburst) Tr1stan
  • Score: 5

4:15am Tue 8 Jul 14

Kate234 says...

John60 wrote:
God this city likes a moan. I thought Brighton was meant to be a party town? No mention of how much money pride brings into Brighton for everyone such as , hotels, shop keepers, restaurants. Bars etc. Everyone would miss pride should it ever come to an end, which one day it may do with all the negativity around the event . Then all the Brighton business will be sorry.
Pride takes place in high season. Every business is always packed in high season and if Pride vanished it would have no impact on hotel occupancy rate, restaurants and bars.
[quote][p][bold]John60[/bold] wrote: God this city likes a moan. I thought Brighton was meant to be a party town? No mention of how much money pride brings into Brighton for everyone such as , hotels, shop keepers, restaurants. Bars etc. Everyone would miss pride should it ever come to an end, which one day it may do with all the negativity around the event . Then all the Brighton business will be sorry.[/p][/quote]Pride takes place in high season. Every business is always packed in high season and if Pride vanished it would have no impact on hotel occupancy rate, restaurants and bars. Kate234
  • Score: 5

4:21am Tue 8 Jul 14

Kate234 says...

Fight_Back wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
"That's because you haven't made any salient points "

Really?

1) Flaunting one's sexuality in public is hardly likely to make people go "wow, that made any prejudices I might have had simply disappear"

2) Many Brighton residents loathe Pride and the people involved with it.

3) Pride events are just as likely to increase homophobia as reduce it.

4) Charging entry to public places is a sure way of increasing homophobia.

5) Pride has become a cash-cow for the organisers.

6) People are gay 365 days a year......what are they doing to 'promote equality' on the the other 364?

All those points have been raised in my posts.

HTH
1. Not sure you're making a point on this one but I suggest you go to the beach on a hot day or West Street most nights to see people "flaunting their sexuality" regardless of whether they are straight or gay.

2. Really ? Loathe ? I doubt that and those that do are probably repressed sexually or virgins.

3. How ?

4. How ? I don't agree with the charging but then you would have been charged to go and see Rod Stewart at the Amex so I guess that increased anti-Scottish feelings ?

5. Agreed

6. You clearly live a very sheltered life if you don't notice all the campaigns to stamp out homophobic attitudes like the one you have that run the whole year. Even football fans support these campaigns - you know those 'thugs' that like a fight !

I guess there is no turning a racist homophob like you though.
You make a good point. You would be charged to see Rod Stewart at the Amex but this is a private venue. Pride is not in the Amex it is on a public highway where residents and businesses should not expect to have their weekend ruined by a commercial event. How much are Pride paying to hire the streets? Rod Stewart didn't get the Amex for free.
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: "That's because you haven't made any salient points " Really? 1) Flaunting one's sexuality in public is hardly likely to make people go "wow, that made any prejudices I might have had simply disappear" 2) Many Brighton residents loathe Pride and the people involved with it. 3) Pride events are just as likely to increase homophobia as reduce it. 4) Charging entry to public places is a sure way of increasing homophobia. 5) Pride has become a cash-cow for the organisers. 6) People are gay 365 days a year......what are they doing to 'promote equality' on the the other 364? All those points have been raised in my posts. HTH[/p][/quote]1. Not sure you're making a point on this one but I suggest you go to the beach on a hot day or West Street most nights to see people "flaunting their sexuality" regardless of whether they are straight or gay. 2. Really ? Loathe ? I doubt that and those that do are probably repressed sexually or virgins. 3. How ? 4. How ? I don't agree with the charging but then you would have been charged to go and see Rod Stewart at the Amex so I guess that increased anti-Scottish feelings ? 5. Agreed 6. You clearly live a very sheltered life if you don't notice all the campaigns to stamp out homophobic attitudes like the one you have that run the whole year. Even football fans support these campaigns - you know those 'thugs' that like a fight ! I guess there is no turning a racist homophob like you though.[/p][/quote]You make a good point. You would be charged to see Rod Stewart at the Amex but this is a private venue. Pride is not in the Amex it is on a public highway where residents and businesses should not expect to have their weekend ruined by a commercial event. How much are Pride paying to hire the streets? Rod Stewart didn't get the Amex for free. Kate234
  • Score: 6

10:36am Tue 8 Jul 14

wippasnapper says...

Lets be honest everyone Pride used to be free and we had little or no trouble but over the last few years all they seem to be interested in doing is making a profit out of use – what beets me is this is a Public Street – places – venues et, et and they want to CHARGE us to enter this Public Street – places – venues et witch on any other day is free for all – I found this in a government document so why are they charging if not for profit “There is no requirement from central government to have public liability insurance. Many councils do not insist on it so you should challenge those who do”.
Lets be honest everyone Pride used to be free and we had little or no trouble but over the last few years all they seem to be interested in doing is making a profit out of use – what beets me is this is a Public Street – places – venues et, et and they want to CHARGE us to enter this Public Street – places – venues et witch on any other day is free for all – I found this in a government document so why are they charging if not for profit “There is no requirement from central government to have public liability insurance. Many councils do not insist on it so you should challenge those who do”. wippasnapper
  • Score: 7

11:09am Tue 8 Jul 14

Hove Actually says...

Security = £50,000
Wristbands = £5.00 with £4.00 for security
Sales expected = 18,000
Well my maths make that £90,000 and £72,000

Someone somewhere has a nice little earner going on and like most statements make to spin a bad idea, the facts never bear out the reasons given by those wanting to profit at. The expense of others
Security = £50,000 Wristbands = £5.00 with £4.00 for security Sales expected = 18,000 Well my maths make that £90,000 and £72,000 Someone somewhere has a nice little earner going on and like most statements make to spin a bad idea, the facts never bear out the reasons given by those wanting to profit at. The expense of others Hove Actually
  • Score: 10

11:54am Tue 8 Jul 14

Fairfax Aches says...

Pack 'em all into street and drop a good dose of napalm on the lot.
Pack 'em all into street and drop a good dose of napalm on the lot. Fairfax Aches
  • Score: -1

12:35pm Tue 8 Jul 14

ThinkBrighton says...

First the council turn a blind eye to the goings on at Dukes Mound, then the party in the park where the poor council workers have to clean up the next day, and now St James Street.
Lets hope the Necrophiliacs and other perverts get as much prominence as the gays, because the City of Brighton would then be in for a few surprises.
Being gay does not give a right to break any law under the sufferance of being branded homophobic if you disagree with them, the majority population of the City has rights as well, which includes the right to gain access to the public highway with out paying a fee (Toll) unless stated in the local bylaws
First the council turn a blind eye to the goings on at Dukes Mound, then the party in the park where the poor council workers have to clean up the next day, and now St James Street. Lets hope the Necrophiliacs and other perverts get as much prominence as the gays, because the City of Brighton would then be in for a few surprises. Being gay does not give a right to break any law under the sufferance of being branded homophobic if you disagree with them, the majority population of the City has rights as well, which includes the right to gain access to the public highway with out paying a fee (Toll) unless stated in the local bylaws ThinkBrighton
  • Score: -1

4:23pm Tue 8 Jul 14

5imon78 says...

Stephano wrote:
John60 wrote:
God this city likes a moan. I thought Brighton was meant to be a party town? No mention of how much money pride brings into Brighton for everyone such as , hotels, shop keepers, restaurants. Bars etc. Everyone would miss pride should it ever come to an end, which one day it may do with all the negativity around the event . Then all the Brighton business will be sorry.
Sorry but where does this benefit the residents?
Businesses profit yes at the expense of e residents.
If business profits, then they don't close.
If they don't close, then we (residents) have not only services to use, but tax is being paid on occupied properties. If the properties were left abandoned (like a lot of other previously thriving seaside towns), then the local council don't have the funds to invest back into the city for it's residents.
Residents get fed up with no services/amenities & start to move. Businesses then can't recruit decent staff, they then move out of the city. Brighton less desirable - local residents suffer.
Really not that hard to figure out the long-term effects that major events such as Pride, Marathons, Car Rallys has on the city as a whole.
[quote][p][bold]Stephano[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John60[/bold] wrote: God this city likes a moan. I thought Brighton was meant to be a party town? No mention of how much money pride brings into Brighton for everyone such as , hotels, shop keepers, restaurants. Bars etc. Everyone would miss pride should it ever come to an end, which one day it may do with all the negativity around the event . Then all the Brighton business will be sorry.[/p][/quote]Sorry but where does this benefit the residents? Businesses profit yes at the expense of e residents.[/p][/quote]If business profits, then they don't close. If they don't close, then we (residents) have not only services to use, but tax is being paid on occupied properties. If the properties were left abandoned (like a lot of other previously thriving seaside towns), then the local council don't have the funds to invest back into the city for it's residents. Residents get fed up with no services/amenities & start to move. Businesses then can't recruit decent staff, they then move out of the city. Brighton less desirable - local residents suffer. Really not that hard to figure out the long-term effects that major events such as Pride, Marathons, Car Rallys has on the city as a whole. 5imon78
  • Score: -2

8:59pm Tue 8 Jul 14

Patsyr says...

cookie_brighton wrote:
her professional wrote:
We are talking about 19 hours over one weekend in the year, and even less than that for the Park. What's all the fuss about.
the fuss is..........St James street, like Preston Park are public places, why on that weekend have residents of Brighton have to pay to enter these two public places...........IF I applied for a straight pride, the council would laugh me out of their chambers........enou

gh is enough.
I agree. Who can be contacted at the council offices I wonder to complain about our town( sorry city) being taken over by Pride for the weekend. Would Jason Kit Prat be any use I wonder.
[quote][p][bold]cookie_brighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]her professional[/bold] wrote: We are talking about 19 hours over one weekend in the year, and even less than that for the Park. What's all the fuss about.[/p][/quote]the fuss is..........St James street, like Preston Park are public places, why on that weekend have residents of Brighton have to pay to enter these two public places...........IF I applied for a straight pride, the council would laugh me out of their chambers........enou gh is enough.[/p][/quote]I agree. Who can be contacted at the council offices I wonder to complain about our town( sorry city) being taken over by Pride for the weekend. Would Jason Kit Prat be any use I wonder. Patsyr
  • Score: 2

12:18pm Wed 9 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

The only think 'at risk' here is the increase to Kemp's bank balance.
The only think 'at risk' here is the increase to Kemp's bank balance. stevo!!
  • Score: 2

2:50pm Sat 12 Jul 14

jay316 says...

Anyone explain this.. Brighton & Hove Pride - Official Page

Pledgebands are required to purchase alcohol in venues and outlets on Saturday 2nd August 4pm - 12.30pm and Sunday 3rd August 2pm - 8pm
The Pride Village Party
Saturday 2nd August 6pm
Sunday 3rd August 12noon

That means you can get alcohol between noon and 2pm Sunday as thats when the passes come into effect and 2 hours before party starts you can't buy booze without and street party closes at 00:30, so you can't buy until after 12:30pm Sunday..

So they in effect stopping you as normally non-paying people from purchasing alcohol before their party time or after!

I think pride need to check their timing before publishing :)
Anyone explain this.. Brighton & Hove Pride - Official Page Pledgebands are required to purchase alcohol in venues and outlets on Saturday 2nd August 4pm - 12.30pm and Sunday 3rd August 2pm - 8pm The Pride Village Party Saturday 2nd August 6pm Sunday 3rd August 12noon That means you can get alcohol between noon and 2pm Sunday as thats when the passes come into effect and 2 hours before party starts you can't buy booze without and street party closes at 00:30, so you can't buy until after 12:30pm Sunday.. So they in effect stopping you as normally non-paying people from purchasing alcohol before their party time or after! I think pride need to check their timing before publishing :) jay316
  • Score: 2

2:28am Mon 14 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

jay316 wrote:
Anyone explain this.. Brighton & Hove Pride - Official Page

Pledgebands are required to purchase alcohol in venues and outlets on Saturday 2nd August 4pm - 12.30pm and Sunday 3rd August 2pm - 8pm
The Pride Village Party
Saturday 2nd August 6pm
Sunday 3rd August 12noon

That means you can get alcohol between noon and 2pm Sunday as thats when the passes come into effect and 2 hours before party starts you can't buy booze without and street party closes at 00:30, so you can't buy until after 12:30pm Sunday..

So they in effect stopping you as normally non-paying people from purchasing alcohol before their party time or after!

I think pride need to check their timing before publishing :)
Your timings are incorrect.

Saturday 4pm - 12.30 pm makes no sense, as the second time is before that of the first.
[quote][p][bold]jay316[/bold] wrote: Anyone explain this.. Brighton & Hove Pride - Official Page Pledgebands are required to purchase alcohol in venues and outlets on Saturday 2nd August 4pm - 12.30pm and Sunday 3rd August 2pm - 8pm The Pride Village Party Saturday 2nd August 6pm Sunday 3rd August 12noon That means you can get alcohol between noon and 2pm Sunday as thats when the passes come into effect and 2 hours before party starts you can't buy booze without and street party closes at 00:30, so you can't buy until after 12:30pm Sunday.. So they in effect stopping you as normally non-paying people from purchasing alcohol before their party time or after! I think pride need to check their timing before publishing :)[/p][/quote]Your timings are incorrect. Saturday 4pm - 12.30 pm makes no sense, as the second time is before that of the first. stevo!!
  • Score: 0

2:29am Mon 14 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

jay316 wrote:
Anyone explain this.. Brighton & Hove Pride - Official Page

Pledgebands are required to purchase alcohol in venues and outlets on Saturday 2nd August 4pm - 12.30pm and Sunday 3rd August 2pm - 8pm
The Pride Village Party
Saturday 2nd August 6pm
Sunday 3rd August 12noon

That means you can get alcohol between noon and 2pm Sunday as thats when the passes come into effect and 2 hours before party starts you can't buy booze without and street party closes at 00:30, so you can't buy until after 12:30pm Sunday..

So they in effect stopping you as normally non-paying people from purchasing alcohol before their party time or after!

I think pride need to check their timing before publishing :)
Your timings are incorrect.

Saturday 4pm - 12.30 pm makes no sense, as the second time is before that of the first.
[quote][p][bold]jay316[/bold] wrote: Anyone explain this.. Brighton & Hove Pride - Official Page Pledgebands are required to purchase alcohol in venues and outlets on Saturday 2nd August 4pm - 12.30pm and Sunday 3rd August 2pm - 8pm The Pride Village Party Saturday 2nd August 6pm Sunday 3rd August 12noon That means you can get alcohol between noon and 2pm Sunday as thats when the passes come into effect and 2 hours before party starts you can't buy booze without and street party closes at 00:30, so you can't buy until after 12:30pm Sunday.. So they in effect stopping you as normally non-paying people from purchasing alcohol before their party time or after! I think pride need to check their timing before publishing :)[/p][/quote]Your timings are incorrect. Saturday 4pm - 12.30 pm makes no sense, as the second time is before that of the first. stevo!!
  • Score: 0
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