Jobseeker was told not to apply for unpaid work because he was overqualified

Daniel Walker, with his dog Pebble, was told he was overqualified for an unpaid work placement

Daniel Walker, with his dog Pebble, was told he was overqualified for an unpaid work placement

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A BLIND jobseeker was told not to apply for an unpaid work placement as he is overqualified.

Daniel Walker, saw an advertisement for a digital media administrator work experience role at Brighton Royal Pavilion and Museums with the possibility of an apprenticeship at the end of it.

When an advisor at Job Centre Plus told him the placement was only open to people who were claiming jobseeker’s allowance he rang Brighton City Council, which had advertised the job, to enquire about it himself.

This time the 31-year-old was told not to apply because he has a degree in stage management.

Mr Walker, of Meadow Close, Portslade, has been blind since birth and is on health-related income support.

He said: “It's not about money, it's about self-respect.

“Apprenticeships are for younger people without qualifications. I get that. There should be an element of first refusal, but not absolute refusal for everyone else.”

A council spokeswoman said: “Government funding does not support university graduates to train as apprentices.”

Mr Walker, who is looking for a career in theatre, music or events management, worked as a performing arts technician from 2007 to 2009.

He has Senior-Loken syndrome, a rare disorder which has resulted in two kidney transplants in the last 12 years, the most recent of which was in May 2011. By 2012 he was fit to work again and he has been looking for a job since then.

The council spokeswoman added: “We have a commitment to supporting people who are disadvantaged in training and job opportunities.

“Our collaboration with Job Centre Plus enables specialist support for disadvantaged customers, including ex-offenders and individuals with a disability or long term health condition.”

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8:47am Sat 12 Jul 14

chrismilo says...

Overqualified what what a load of bulls-it a Job is a Job at the end of the day beggars cannot be choosers
Overqualified what what a load of bulls-it a Job is a Job at the end of the day beggars cannot be choosers chrismilo
  • Score: -1

9:20am Sat 12 Jul 14

Bob George says...

Fight them mate. Get what YOU want for a change.
Fight them mate. Get what YOU want for a change. Bob George
  • Score: 20

10:11am Sat 12 Jul 14

getThisCoalitionOut says...

Apprenticeships are all a big con by this corrupt government.

They pay £2.68 per hour - this is not a living wage. It is slavery and no one should be a part of it. It is shameful.

What is this country coming to?
Apprenticeships are all a big con by this corrupt government. They pay £2.68 per hour - this is not a living wage. It is slavery and no one should be a part of it. It is shameful. What is this country coming to? getThisCoalitionOut
  • Score: 23

10:35am Sat 12 Jul 14

tykemison says...

getThisCoalitionOut wrote:
Apprenticeships are all a big con by this corrupt government.

They pay £2.68 per hour - this is not a living wage. It is slavery and no one should be a part of it. It is shameful.

What is this country coming to?
Absolutely spot on, anyone unfortunate enough to fall on hard times would tell you this type of suppression is commonplace for those trying to better themselves, he will probably be sent on the ghastly work programme, turning up at a profit making company being patronised by some recruitment agency type goon telling you how to formulate a cv for 2 months. Its a national disgrace and shame on all involved in this hideous act.
[quote][p][bold]getThisCoalitionOut[/bold] wrote: Apprenticeships are all a big con by this corrupt government. They pay £2.68 per hour - this is not a living wage. It is slavery and no one should be a part of it. It is shameful. What is this country coming to?[/p][/quote]Absolutely spot on, anyone unfortunate enough to fall on hard times would tell you this type of suppression is commonplace for those trying to better themselves, he will probably be sent on the ghastly work programme, turning up at a profit making company being patronised by some recruitment agency type goon telling you how to formulate a cv for 2 months. Its a national disgrace and shame on all involved in this hideous act. tykemison
  • Score: 18

10:59am Sat 12 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

chrismilo wrote:
Overqualified what what a load of bulls-it a Job is a Job at the end of the day beggars cannot be choosers
It wasn't a job, as such.

It was a position on a scheme.
[quote][p][bold]chrismilo[/bold] wrote: Overqualified what what a load of bulls-it a Job is a Job at the end of the day beggars cannot be choosers[/p][/quote]It wasn't a job, as such. It was a position on a scheme. stevo!!
  • Score: -10

11:00am Sat 12 Jul 14

wippasnapper says...

How can you be overqualified for unpaid work and I thought we in this country had equality for all regardless of your qualifications or Disability’s
How can you be overqualified for unpaid work and I thought we in this country had equality for all regardless of your qualifications or Disability’s wippasnapper
  • Score: 4

11:56am Sat 12 Jul 14

tonupboy says...

Stevo! you do sound like a under quailfied, unskilled snotty nosed little P R I C K!
Stevo! you do sound like a under quailfied, unskilled snotty nosed little P R I C K! tonupboy
  • Score: 7

11:59am Sat 12 Jul 14

portslader says...

The sad thing is this is no uncommon. I had a steady job for 9 years until I was made redundant to no fault of my own and no matter how many jobs I applied for or internships makes no difference. Yes I have been on training and even gone back to college to get the qualification required to the job I am interested in but still no-one interested. It it now been 5 yrs since I last had full-time employment and living in Ireland and at 45 the future seems very bleek.
The sad thing is this is no uncommon. I had a steady job for 9 years until I was made redundant to no fault of my own and no matter how many jobs I applied for or internships makes no difference. Yes I have been on training and even gone back to college to get the qualification required to the job I am interested in but still no-one interested. It it now been 5 yrs since I last had full-time employment and living in Ireland and at 45 the future seems very bleek. portslader
  • Score: 5

12:04pm Sat 12 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

tonupboy wrote:
Stevo! you do sound like a under quailfied, unskilled snotty nosed little P R I C K!
And you're a nuclear physicist, right?

You admit that you don't have the intelligence to discuss the contents of posts.
[quote][p][bold]tonupboy[/bold] wrote: Stevo! you do sound like a under quailfied, unskilled snotty nosed little P R I C K![/p][/quote]And you're a nuclear physicist, right? You admit that you don't have the intelligence to discuss the contents of posts. stevo!!
  • Score: -12

12:14pm Sat 12 Jul 14

fredaj says...

getThisCoalitionOut wrote:
Apprenticeships are all a big con by this corrupt government.

They pay £2.68 per hour - this is not a living wage. It is slavery and no one should be a part of it. It is shameful.

What is this country coming to?
We have apprentices at my place of work and I assure you, they earn significantly more than £2.68 an hour so I have no idea why to believe that to be a standard rate of pay.

They are receiving training from skilled people and have a paid day off a week to attend college which is of course also paid for.

But going back to rates of pay for one moment - apprentices who are young, living at home and who take more from than they contribute to a business are never ever going to be paid the "living wage" in any universe. I certainly wasn't when I did mine over 30 years ago and I see no reason why that should change today. They need enough to contribute to the home and to cover transport, clothing, food and a few beers.

But at the end of it, they will have a valuable qualification - probably an HNC - and valuable skills and experience that means they will be able to get a decently paid job anywhere they choose to work.
[quote][p][bold]getThisCoalitionOut[/bold] wrote: Apprenticeships are all a big con by this corrupt government. They pay £2.68 per hour - this is not a living wage. It is slavery and no one should be a part of it. It is shameful. What is this country coming to?[/p][/quote]We have apprentices at my place of work and I assure you, they earn significantly more than £2.68 an hour so I have no idea why to believe that to be a standard rate of pay. They are receiving training from skilled people and have a paid day off a week to attend college which is of course also paid for. But going back to rates of pay for one moment - apprentices who are young, living at home and who take more from than they contribute to a business are never ever going to be paid the "living wage" in any universe. I certainly wasn't when I did mine over 30 years ago and I see no reason why that should change today. They need enough to contribute to the home and to cover transport, clothing, food and a few beers. But at the end of it, they will have a valuable qualification - probably an HNC - and valuable skills and experience that means they will be able to get a decently paid job anywhere they choose to work. fredaj
  • Score: 13

12:18pm Sat 12 Jul 14

fredaj says...

With so many unqualified, unemployed young people, there is no way on earth this degree educated man should have been given this opportunity over a suitable youngster applying it.

I don't care how disabled he is!
With so many unqualified, unemployed young people, there is no way on earth this degree educated man should have been given this opportunity over a suitable youngster applying it. I don't care how disabled he is! fredaj
  • Score: 2

12:18pm Sat 12 Jul 14

tykemison says...

tonupboy wrote:
Stevo! you do sound like a under quailfied, unskilled snotty nosed little P R I C K!
That seems a bit harse, your not on the pointless work programme are you!?!
[quote][p][bold]tonupboy[/bold] wrote: Stevo! you do sound like a under quailfied, unskilled snotty nosed little P R I C K![/p][/quote]That seems a bit harse, your not on the pointless work programme are you!?! tykemison
  • Score: -1

12:21pm Sat 12 Jul 14

fredaj says...

portslader wrote:
The sad thing is this is no uncommon. I had a steady job for 9 years until I was made redundant to no fault of my own and no matter how many jobs I applied for or internships makes no difference. Yes I have been on training and even gone back to college to get the qualification required to the job I am interested in but still no-one interested. It it now been 5 yrs since I last had full-time employment and living in Ireland and at 45 the future seems very bleek.
Move into engineering - job opportunities a-go-go and one of the reason the UK is losing some of this work abroad is because there are not enough skilled technicians and engineers to do it all.
[quote][p][bold]portslader[/bold] wrote: The sad thing is this is no uncommon. I had a steady job for 9 years until I was made redundant to no fault of my own and no matter how many jobs I applied for or internships makes no difference. Yes I have been on training and even gone back to college to get the qualification required to the job I am interested in but still no-one interested. It it now been 5 yrs since I last had full-time employment and living in Ireland and at 45 the future seems very bleek.[/p][/quote]Move into engineering - job opportunities a-go-go and one of the reason the UK is losing some of this work abroad is because there are not enough skilled technicians and engineers to do it all. fredaj
  • Score: 2

12:23pm Sat 12 Jul 14

tykemison says...

portslader wrote:
The sad thing is this is no uncommon. I had a steady job for 9 years until I was made redundant to no fault of my own and no matter how many jobs I applied for or internships makes no difference. Yes I have been on training and even gone back to college to get the qualification required to the job I am interested in but still no-one interested. It it now been 5 yrs since I last had full-time employment and living in Ireland and at 45 the future seems very bleek.
Sad to here that portslader, it is very difficult to find good employment but keep positive and dont let the barstewards get you down, sadly due to dumb tv, most people believe people on benefits are dossers which I definitely know is not the case, keep trying and hopefully something will come along:-)
[quote][p][bold]portslader[/bold] wrote: The sad thing is this is no uncommon. I had a steady job for 9 years until I was made redundant to no fault of my own and no matter how many jobs I applied for or internships makes no difference. Yes I have been on training and even gone back to college to get the qualification required to the job I am interested in but still no-one interested. It it now been 5 yrs since I last had full-time employment and living in Ireland and at 45 the future seems very bleek.[/p][/quote]Sad to here that portslader, it is very difficult to find good employment but keep positive and dont let the barstewards get you down, sadly due to dumb tv, most people believe people on benefits are dossers which I definitely know is not the case, keep trying and hopefully something will come along:-) tykemison
  • Score: 4

12:44pm Sat 12 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

wippasnapper wrote:
How can you be overqualified for unpaid work and I thought we in this country had equality for all regardless of your qualifications or Disability’s
The position wasn't open to people of his qualifications and job experience.

If he had taken it, he would have denied those for whom the scheme was created.
[quote][p][bold]wippasnapper[/bold] wrote: How can you be overqualified for unpaid work and I thought we in this country had equality for all regardless of your qualifications or Disability’s[/p][/quote]The position wasn't open to people of his qualifications and job experience. If he had taken it, he would have denied those for whom the scheme was created. stevo!!
  • Score: -3

1:25pm Sat 12 Jul 14

tinker111 says...

SO WHAT IS NEW HAD THAT BACK IN THE LATE 70S GET ON WITHIT
SO WHAT IS NEW HAD THAT BACK IN THE LATE 70S GET ON WITHIT tinker111
  • Score: -5

5:18pm Sat 12 Jul 14

rolivan says...

fredaj wrote:
getThisCoalitionOut wrote:
Apprenticeships are all a big con by this corrupt government.

They pay £2.68 per hour - this is not a living wage. It is slavery and no one should be a part of it. It is shameful.

What is this country coming to?
We have apprentices at my place of work and I assure you, they earn significantly more than £2.68 an hour so I have no idea why to believe that to be a standard rate of pay.

They are receiving training from skilled people and have a paid day off a week to attend college which is of course also paid for.

But going back to rates of pay for one moment - apprentices who are young, living at home and who take more from than they contribute to a business are never ever going to be paid the "living wage" in any universe. I certainly wasn't when I did mine over 30 years ago and I see no reason why that should change today. They need enough to contribute to the home and to cover transport, clothing, food and a few beers.

But at the end of it, they will have a valuable qualification - probably an HNC - and valuable skills and experience that means they will be able to get a decently paid job anywhere they choose to work.
Yes it is amazing how people seem to be ok with students paying £9,000 a year to gain a "degree" and yet apprentices are paid a wage to be taught . Plumbers and Electricians seem to be much better off than a lot of people that have wasted their time and money thinking they would get a job at the end.
[quote][p][bold]fredaj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]getThisCoalitionOut[/bold] wrote: Apprenticeships are all a big con by this corrupt government. They pay £2.68 per hour - this is not a living wage. It is slavery and no one should be a part of it. It is shameful. What is this country coming to?[/p][/quote]We have apprentices at my place of work and I assure you, they earn significantly more than £2.68 an hour so I have no idea why to believe that to be a standard rate of pay. They are receiving training from skilled people and have a paid day off a week to attend college which is of course also paid for. But going back to rates of pay for one moment - apprentices who are young, living at home and who take more from than they contribute to a business are never ever going to be paid the "living wage" in any universe. I certainly wasn't when I did mine over 30 years ago and I see no reason why that should change today. They need enough to contribute to the home and to cover transport, clothing, food and a few beers. But at the end of it, they will have a valuable qualification - probably an HNC - and valuable skills and experience that means they will be able to get a decently paid job anywhere they choose to work.[/p][/quote]Yes it is amazing how people seem to be ok with students paying £9,000 a year to gain a "degree" and yet apprentices are paid a wage to be taught . Plumbers and Electricians seem to be much better off than a lot of people that have wasted their time and money thinking they would get a job at the end. rolivan
  • Score: 1

5:33pm Sat 12 Jul 14

fredaj says...

rolivan wrote:
fredaj wrote:
getThisCoalitionOut wrote:
Apprenticeships are all a big con by this corrupt government.

They pay £2.68 per hour - this is not a living wage. It is slavery and no one should be a part of it. It is shameful.

What is this country coming to?
We have apprentices at my place of work and I assure you, they earn significantly more than £2.68 an hour so I have no idea why to believe that to be a standard rate of pay.

They are receiving training from skilled people and have a paid day off a week to attend college which is of course also paid for.

But going back to rates of pay for one moment - apprentices who are young, living at home and who take more from than they contribute to a business are never ever going to be paid the "living wage" in any universe. I certainly wasn't when I did mine over 30 years ago and I see no reason why that should change today. They need enough to contribute to the home and to cover transport, clothing, food and a few beers.

But at the end of it, they will have a valuable qualification - probably an HNC - and valuable skills and experience that means they will be able to get a decently paid job anywhere they choose to work.
Yes it is amazing how people seem to be ok with students paying £9,000 a year to gain a "degree" and yet apprentices are paid a wage to be taught . Plumbers and Electricians seem to be much better off than a lot of people that have wasted their time and money thinking they would get a job at the end.
Apprenticeships can include and/or lead to degree or degree equivalent education too and are not just there to train for what in my day were called the "crafts" - ie, skilled and more generally manual work such as plumbing and electrical installation.

But unfortunately, all this "you must go to university" nonsense (and snobbery) overshadows what apprenticeships and non-university further education can offer both the non-academically minded as well as those leaving school with a decent set of GCSEs or even A levels but who want a more practically based job that requires more education.

Our apprentices will have the opportunity to progress and one of our very original apprentices has already progressed from shop floor to design.
[quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fredaj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]getThisCoalitionOut[/bold] wrote: Apprenticeships are all a big con by this corrupt government. They pay £2.68 per hour - this is not a living wage. It is slavery and no one should be a part of it. It is shameful. What is this country coming to?[/p][/quote]We have apprentices at my place of work and I assure you, they earn significantly more than £2.68 an hour so I have no idea why to believe that to be a standard rate of pay. They are receiving training from skilled people and have a paid day off a week to attend college which is of course also paid for. But going back to rates of pay for one moment - apprentices who are young, living at home and who take more from than they contribute to a business are never ever going to be paid the "living wage" in any universe. I certainly wasn't when I did mine over 30 years ago and I see no reason why that should change today. They need enough to contribute to the home and to cover transport, clothing, food and a few beers. But at the end of it, they will have a valuable qualification - probably an HNC - and valuable skills and experience that means they will be able to get a decently paid job anywhere they choose to work.[/p][/quote]Yes it is amazing how people seem to be ok with students paying £9,000 a year to gain a "degree" and yet apprentices are paid a wage to be taught . Plumbers and Electricians seem to be much better off than a lot of people that have wasted their time and money thinking they would get a job at the end.[/p][/quote]Apprenticeships can include and/or lead to degree or degree equivalent education too and are not just there to train for what in my day were called the "crafts" - ie, skilled and more generally manual work such as plumbing and electrical installation. But unfortunately, all this "you must go to university" nonsense (and snobbery) overshadows what apprenticeships and non-university further education can offer both the non-academically minded as well as those leaving school with a decent set of GCSEs or even A levels but who want a more practically based job that requires more education. Our apprentices will have the opportunity to progress and one of our very original apprentices has already progressed from shop floor to design. fredaj
  • Score: 0

6:58pm Sat 12 Jul 14

qm says...

The council spokeswoman added: “We have a commitment to supporting people who are disadvantaged in training and job opportunities.

“Our collaboration with Job Centre Plus enables specialist support for disadvantaged customers, including ex-offenders and individuals with a disability or long term health condition.”

Words are so easy these days. What is not apparent is the substance behind them.

Note to Council: Must do better!
The council spokeswoman added: “We have a commitment to supporting people who are disadvantaged in training and job opportunities. “Our collaboration with Job Centre Plus enables specialist support for disadvantaged customers, including ex-offenders and individuals with a disability or long term health condition.” Words are so easy these days. What is not apparent is the substance behind them. Note to Council: Must do better! qm
  • Score: -2

7:12pm Sat 12 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

qm wrote:
The council spokeswoman added: “We have a commitment to supporting people who are disadvantaged in training and job opportunities.

“Our collaboration with Job Centre Plus enables specialist support for disadvantaged customers, including ex-offenders and individuals with a disability or long term health condition.”

Words are so easy these days. What is not apparent is the substance behind them.

Note to Council: Must do better!
They were merely reading the council mantra off a card.

The fact is that those words bore absolutely no relevance to this case, and showed how stupid council spokesmen can be.
[quote][p][bold]qm[/bold] wrote: The council spokeswoman added: “We have a commitment to supporting people who are disadvantaged in training and job opportunities. “Our collaboration with Job Centre Plus enables specialist support for disadvantaged customers, including ex-offenders and individuals with a disability or long term health condition.” Words are so easy these days. What is not apparent is the substance behind them. Note to Council: Must do better![/p][/quote]They were merely reading the council mantra off a card. The fact is that those words bore absolutely no relevance to this case, and showed how stupid council spokesmen can be. stevo!!
  • Score: 0

7:51pm Sat 12 Jul 14

fredaj says...

stevo!! wrote:
qm wrote:
The council spokeswoman added: “We have a commitment to supporting people who are disadvantaged in training and job opportunities.

“Our collaboration with Job Centre Plus enables specialist support for disadvantaged customers, including ex-offenders and individuals with a disability or long term health condition.”

Words are so easy these days. What is not apparent is the substance behind them.

Note to Council: Must do better!
They were merely reading the council mantra off a card.

The fact is that those words bore absolutely no relevance to this case, and showed how stupid council spokesmen can be.
Do better than creating a potential training place for a young person and then turning down someone who thinks they should have it simply because they want it, even though they do not fit ANY of the criteria for it?

They were 100% right to turn this man down and will also be 100% right in offering it to a suitable youngster.
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]qm[/bold] wrote: The council spokeswoman added: “We have a commitment to supporting people who are disadvantaged in training and job opportunities. “Our collaboration with Job Centre Plus enables specialist support for disadvantaged customers, including ex-offenders and individuals with a disability or long term health condition.” Words are so easy these days. What is not apparent is the substance behind them. Note to Council: Must do better![/p][/quote]They were merely reading the council mantra off a card. The fact is that those words bore absolutely no relevance to this case, and showed how stupid council spokesmen can be.[/p][/quote]Do better than creating a potential training place for a young person and then turning down someone who thinks they should have it simply because they want it, even though they do not fit ANY of the criteria for it? They were 100% right to turn this man down and will also be 100% right in offering it to a suitable youngster. fredaj
  • Score: 3

8:14pm Sat 12 Jul 14

qm says...

fredaj wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
qm wrote:
The council spokeswoman added: “We have a commitment to supporting people who are disadvantaged in training and job opportunities.

“Our collaboration with Job Centre Plus enables specialist support for disadvantaged customers, including ex-offenders and individuals with a disability or long term health condition.”

Words are so easy these days. What is not apparent is the substance behind them.

Note to Council: Must do better!
They were merely reading the council mantra off a card.

The fact is that those words bore absolutely no relevance to this case, and showed how stupid council spokesmen can be.
Do better than creating a potential training place for a young person and then turning down someone who thinks they should have it simply because they want it, even though they do not fit ANY of the criteria for it?

They were 100% right to turn this man down and will also be 100% right in offering it to a suitable youngster.
My comment "must do better" was with reference to the statement by the council spokeswoman which has obviously not led to any improvement in Daniel's predicament which suggests failure.
I agree with you that a scheme targeting a specific demographic should be limited to that demographic although if the uptake is low, it would be a shame to waste available opportunities for someone just because computer (or jobsworth) say no! There is no suggestion in the article however that this is/was the case.
[quote][p][bold]fredaj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]qm[/bold] wrote: The council spokeswoman added: “We have a commitment to supporting people who are disadvantaged in training and job opportunities. “Our collaboration with Job Centre Plus enables specialist support for disadvantaged customers, including ex-offenders and individuals with a disability or long term health condition.” Words are so easy these days. What is not apparent is the substance behind them. Note to Council: Must do better![/p][/quote]They were merely reading the council mantra off a card. The fact is that those words bore absolutely no relevance to this case, and showed how stupid council spokesmen can be.[/p][/quote]Do better than creating a potential training place for a young person and then turning down someone who thinks they should have it simply because they want it, even though they do not fit ANY of the criteria for it? They were 100% right to turn this man down and will also be 100% right in offering it to a suitable youngster.[/p][/quote]My comment "must do better" was with reference to the statement by the council spokeswoman which has obviously not led to any improvement in Daniel's predicament which suggests failure. I agree with you that a scheme targeting a specific demographic should be limited to that demographic although if the uptake is low, it would be a shame to waste available opportunities for someone just because computer (or jobsworth) say no! There is no suggestion in the article however that this is/was the case. qm
  • Score: 1

8:47pm Sat 12 Jul 14

ghost bus driver says...

fredaj wrote:
getThisCoalitionOut wrote:
Apprenticeships are all a big con by this corrupt government.

They pay £2.68 per hour - this is not a living wage. It is slavery and no one should be a part of it. It is shameful.

What is this country coming to?
We have apprentices at my place of work and I assure you, they earn significantly more than £2.68 an hour so I have no idea why to believe that to be a standard rate of pay.

They are receiving training from skilled people and have a paid day off a week to attend college which is of course also paid for.

But going back to rates of pay for one moment - apprentices who are young, living at home and who take more from than they contribute to a business are never ever going to be paid the "living wage" in any universe. I certainly wasn't when I did mine over 30 years ago and I see no reason why that should change today. They need enough to contribute to the home and to cover transport, clothing, food and a few beers.

But at the end of it, they will have a valuable qualification - probably an HNC - and valuable skills and experience that means they will be able to get a decently paid job anywhere they choose to work.
I suppose it's different if they are actually employed by the company or just on a placement.
[quote][p][bold]fredaj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]getThisCoalitionOut[/bold] wrote: Apprenticeships are all a big con by this corrupt government. They pay £2.68 per hour - this is not a living wage. It is slavery and no one should be a part of it. It is shameful. What is this country coming to?[/p][/quote]We have apprentices at my place of work and I assure you, they earn significantly more than £2.68 an hour so I have no idea why to believe that to be a standard rate of pay. They are receiving training from skilled people and have a paid day off a week to attend college which is of course also paid for. But going back to rates of pay for one moment - apprentices who are young, living at home and who take more from than they contribute to a business are never ever going to be paid the "living wage" in any universe. I certainly wasn't when I did mine over 30 years ago and I see no reason why that should change today. They need enough to contribute to the home and to cover transport, clothing, food and a few beers. But at the end of it, they will have a valuable qualification - probably an HNC - and valuable skills and experience that means they will be able to get a decently paid job anywhere they choose to work.[/p][/quote]I suppose it's different if they are actually employed by the company or just on a placement. ghost bus driver
  • Score: 0

8:51pm Sat 12 Jul 14

ghost bus driver says...

fredaj wrote:
rolivan wrote:
fredaj wrote:
getThisCoalitionOut wrote:
Apprenticeships are all a big con by this corrupt government.

They pay £2.68 per hour - this is not a living wage. It is slavery and no one should be a part of it. It is shameful.

What is this country coming to?
We have apprentices at my place of work and I assure you, they earn significantly more than £2.68 an hour so I have no idea why to believe that to be a standard rate of pay.

They are receiving training from skilled people and have a paid day off a week to attend college which is of course also paid for.

But going back to rates of pay for one moment - apprentices who are young, living at home and who take more from than they contribute to a business are never ever going to be paid the "living wage" in any universe. I certainly wasn't when I did mine over 30 years ago and I see no reason why that should change today. They need enough to contribute to the home and to cover transport, clothing, food and a few beers.

But at the end of it, they will have a valuable qualification - probably an HNC - and valuable skills and experience that means they will be able to get a decently paid job anywhere they choose to work.
Yes it is amazing how people seem to be ok with students paying £9,000 a year to gain a "degree" and yet apprentices are paid a wage to be taught . Plumbers and Electricians seem to be much better off than a lot of people that have wasted their time and money thinking they would get a job at the end.
Apprenticeships can include and/or lead to degree or degree equivalent education too and are not just there to train for what in my day were called the "crafts" - ie, skilled and more generally manual work such as plumbing and electrical installation.

But unfortunately, all this "you must go to university" nonsense (and snobbery) overshadows what apprenticeships and non-university further education can offer both the non-academically minded as well as those leaving school with a decent set of GCSEs or even A levels but who want a more practically based job that requires more education.

Our apprentices will have the opportunity to progress and one of our very original apprentices has already progressed from shop floor to design.
Technically if you do an apprenticeship you can get an NVQ or HNC or whatever, depending on the scheme you're on, and that will then get you into University afterwards, so you have experience and qualifications. When I did engineering there were people with all the degreed going who didn't know how to use a spanner. so it works both ways, I've always believed practical experience in any job is more vital than anything else, as it teaches you why you do things as well as the theory behind it, and there is nothing in the world more boring than sitting in a stuffy classroom learning theory when you could be learning that theory on the job.
[quote][p][bold]fredaj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fredaj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]getThisCoalitionOut[/bold] wrote: Apprenticeships are all a big con by this corrupt government. They pay £2.68 per hour - this is not a living wage. It is slavery and no one should be a part of it. It is shameful. What is this country coming to?[/p][/quote]We have apprentices at my place of work and I assure you, they earn significantly more than £2.68 an hour so I have no idea why to believe that to be a standard rate of pay. They are receiving training from skilled people and have a paid day off a week to attend college which is of course also paid for. But going back to rates of pay for one moment - apprentices who are young, living at home and who take more from than they contribute to a business are never ever going to be paid the "living wage" in any universe. I certainly wasn't when I did mine over 30 years ago and I see no reason why that should change today. They need enough to contribute to the home and to cover transport, clothing, food and a few beers. But at the end of it, they will have a valuable qualification - probably an HNC - and valuable skills and experience that means they will be able to get a decently paid job anywhere they choose to work.[/p][/quote]Yes it is amazing how people seem to be ok with students paying £9,000 a year to gain a "degree" and yet apprentices are paid a wage to be taught . Plumbers and Electricians seem to be much better off than a lot of people that have wasted their time and money thinking they would get a job at the end.[/p][/quote]Apprenticeships can include and/or lead to degree or degree equivalent education too and are not just there to train for what in my day were called the "crafts" - ie, skilled and more generally manual work such as plumbing and electrical installation. But unfortunately, all this "you must go to university" nonsense (and snobbery) overshadows what apprenticeships and non-university further education can offer both the non-academically minded as well as those leaving school with a decent set of GCSEs or even A levels but who want a more practically based job that requires more education. Our apprentices will have the opportunity to progress and one of our very original apprentices has already progressed from shop floor to design.[/p][/quote]Technically if you do an apprenticeship you can get an NVQ or HNC or whatever, depending on the scheme you're on, and that will then get you into University afterwards, so you have experience and qualifications. When I did engineering there were people with all the degreed going who didn't know how to use a spanner. so it works both ways, I've always believed practical experience in any job is more vital than anything else, as it teaches you why you do things as well as the theory behind it, and there is nothing in the world more boring than sitting in a stuffy classroom learning theory when you could be learning that theory on the job. ghost bus driver
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4:38am Sun 13 Jul 14

joyteach says...

It's interesting to read that apprentices are paid anything at all ! When I left school the parents of apprentices had to pay to have them taught skills. Apprentices had to agree to follow all their employers' rules of behaviour 24/7 even if they didn't live wth them.
It's interesting to read that apprentices are paid anything at all ! When I left school the parents of apprentices had to pay to have them taught skills. Apprentices had to agree to follow all their employers' rules of behaviour 24/7 even if they didn't live wth them. joyteach
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7:54am Sun 13 Jul 14

portslader says...

tinker111 wrote:
SO WHAT IS NEW HAD THAT BACK IN THE LATE 70S GET ON WITHIT
Eh..Back in the 70s they didn't have the technology that we do now! Cost of living and the population in the UK was a heck of difference compared to what we have now! I would love to go back to the 70s any day.
[quote][p][bold]tinker111[/bold] wrote: SO WHAT IS NEW HAD THAT BACK IN THE LATE 70S GET ON WITHIT[/p][/quote]Eh..Back in the 70s they didn't have the technology that we do now! Cost of living and the population in the UK was a heck of difference compared to what we have now! I would love to go back to the 70s any day. portslader
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4:45pm Sun 13 Jul 14

John Steed says...

how can a man blind from birth "See" a job application, If it wasnt for the seriousness of the subject matter, the way it has been written up reminds me of a script for the two ronnies, however having a degree in stage management reminds me of lots of people I have met, well qualified but totally unable to to do the job. qualified maybe but over qualified never.
how can a man blind from birth "See" a job application, If it wasnt for the seriousness of the subject matter, the way it has been written up reminds me of a script for the two ronnies, however having a degree in stage management reminds me of lots of people I have met, well qualified but totally unable to to do the job. qualified maybe but over qualified never. John Steed
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10:23am Mon 14 Jul 14

tonupboy says...

I'm a engineering technician if you must know, don't wish to join in a prolonged disgusion with an unskilled stinking peasant like you!
I'm a engineering technician if you must know, don't wish to join in a prolonged disgusion with an unskilled stinking peasant like you! tonupboy
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12:32pm Mon 14 Jul 14

tonupboy says...

joyteach wrote:
It's interesting to read that apprentices are paid anything at all ! When I left school the parents of apprentices had to pay to have them taught skills. Apprentices had to agree to follow all their employers' rules of behaviour 24/7 even if they didn't live wth them.
F - me joyteach, when was that? the year 1814?....silly ole T U R D!
[quote][p][bold]joyteach[/bold] wrote: It's interesting to read that apprentices are paid anything at all ! When I left school the parents of apprentices had to pay to have them taught skills. Apprentices had to agree to follow all their employers' rules of behaviour 24/7 even if they didn't live wth them.[/p][/quote]F - me joyteach, when was that? the year 1814?....silly ole T U R D! tonupboy
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