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Residents ask for 20 mph

The Argus: Residents ask for 20 mph Residents ask for 20 mph

Residents in eight streets in Hove have asked to have 20mph limits.

The roads near Hove Park were excluded from Phase 2 of the 20mph rollout on June 16.

A group of residents asked councillors to reconsider the limits saying more residents were in favour of the limits by 122 respondents to 120 opposed.

The group of residents are from Goldstone Crescent, Hove Park Road, Hove Park Way, The Droveway, Orchard Road, Orchard Gardens, Park View Road and Woodland Drive.

Ian Davey, lead councillor for transport at Brighton and Hove City Council, said: “It’s highly encouraging that people are actively coming forward wanting 20mph.

“We’re asking officers to look again at this area, giving particular consideration to the needs of children travelling to school and to the popular Hove Park.”

Consultation on the third phase of 20mph speed limits is due to take place in September.

It would cover Hangleton, Woddingdean, Ovingdean, Saltdean and Rottingdean.

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2:13pm Sun 13 Jul 14

lindaf says...

Yawn...
Yawn... lindaf
  • Score: 15

2:21pm Sun 13 Jul 14

unbias1 says...

Where is woddingdean?...
Where is woddingdean?... unbias1
  • Score: 17

2:38pm Sun 13 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

unbias1 wrote:
Where is woddingdean?...
It's how posh people pronounce 'Rottingdean'
[quote][p][bold]unbias1[/bold] wrote: Where is woddingdean?...[/p][/quote]It's how posh people pronounce 'Rottingdean' stevo!!
  • Score: 8

4:00pm Sun 13 Jul 14

FatherTed11 says...

Funny how the council don't acknowledge the group of residents who don't want it.
Funny how the council don't acknowledge the group of residents who don't want it. FatherTed11
  • Score: 28

4:00pm Sun 13 Jul 14

her professional says...

Thought 20 was a "vanity project by the Greens" and a total farce. Either the residents of Hove Park area are very thick, or the Argus bloggers have got it wrong.........surely not the latter??????
Thought 20 was a "vanity project by the Greens" and a total farce. Either the residents of Hove Park area are very thick, or the Argus bloggers have got it wrong.........surely not the latter?????? her professional
  • Score: 21

4:06pm Sun 13 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

The people who voted 'yes' are probably hoping to reduce traffic on their road.


Nice try, folks, but I'll still be doing 30+........
The people who voted 'yes' are probably hoping to reduce traffic on their road. Nice try, folks, but I'll still be doing 30+........ stevo!!
  • Score: 16

4:30pm Sun 13 Jul 14

Mr P Brown says...

Despite reports last week saying that accidents have gone up in some places that have 20 mph limits , and the AA reporting they don't work in towns except by schools and hospitals The green council have decided they know best, and will carry on getting the residents of Brighton and Hove to pay for hundreds of signs that the vast majority of drivers, including buses, police and even the councils own vehicles take absolutely no notice of. Roll on 2015
Despite reports last week saying that accidents have gone up in some places that have 20 mph limits , and the AA reporting they don't work in towns except by schools and hospitals The green council have decided they know best, and will carry on getting the residents of Brighton and Hove to pay for hundreds of signs that the vast majority of drivers, including buses, police and even the councils own vehicles take absolutely no notice of. Roll on 2015 Mr P Brown
  • Score: 27

4:45pm Sun 13 Jul 14

Plantpot says...

242 in total. Out of how many? Who was eligible to vote?

Woodland Drive has long wanted to keep all non-residents trffic out of the road.....
242 in total. Out of how many? Who was eligible to vote? Woodland Drive has long wanted to keep all non-residents trffic out of the road..... Plantpot
  • Score: 16

7:08pm Sun 13 Jul 14

Dave500 says...

They don't work, but there is so much propaganda pushed down people's throats that they actually believe they will. Yes, they worked in a few places where the roads were altered to make 20MPH seem a natural speed. But then those with their own agenda misused this statistic and decided that because this worked then it must mean just sticking up a sign will have the same effect anywhere. It doesn't, it can actually have a negative effect for a variety of reasons:
1. Driving at an unnaturally slow speed for the road takes concentration and can take concentration away from the road.
2. Drivers vary, but it is natural to pay more attention the faster you go. Attention can wander at unnaturally low speeds.
3. Pedestrians gain a false sense of security. You can still be killed under 20MPH, you can be killed at 5MPH and certainly disabled for life.
4. When some drivers adhere to the limit and others don't it creates traffic bunching and frustration, neither of which improve safety. Even dangerous overtakes can result.

The whole science of speed limit setting is quite a complex one and we dumb it down at our peril but most drivers make a pretty good fist of setting a safe speed. We used to set limits according to the 85th percentile method which reckoned 85% of drivers on a given road would be travelling below the maximum safe speed if there were no speed limit. All over the world setting limits at that level has been proven to maximise safety. Only the idiots got punished and normal drivers did not fall foul of the law. Mess with this formula and you increase casualties let alone losing respct for all limits. Yet our government scrapped it under pressure from untrained amateur 'road safety' campaigners. That is why we have this mess.
They don't work, but there is so much propaganda pushed down people's throats that they actually believe they will. Yes, they worked in a few places where the roads were altered to make 20MPH seem a natural speed. But then those with their own agenda misused this statistic and decided that because this worked then it must mean just sticking up a sign will have the same effect anywhere. It doesn't, it can actually have a negative effect for a variety of reasons: 1. Driving at an unnaturally slow speed for the road takes concentration and can take concentration away from the road. 2. Drivers vary, but it is natural to pay more attention the faster you go. Attention can wander at unnaturally low speeds. 3. Pedestrians gain a false sense of security. You can still be killed under 20MPH, you can be killed at 5MPH and certainly disabled for life. 4. When some drivers adhere to the limit and others don't it creates traffic bunching and frustration, neither of which improve safety. Even dangerous overtakes can result. The whole science of speed limit setting is quite a complex one and we dumb it down at our peril but most drivers make a pretty good fist of setting a safe speed. We used to set limits according to the 85th percentile method which reckoned 85% of drivers on a given road would be travelling below the maximum safe speed if there were no speed limit. All over the world setting limits at that level has been proven to maximise safety. Only the idiots got punished and normal drivers did not fall foul of the law. Mess with this formula and you increase casualties let alone losing respct for all limits. Yet our government scrapped it under pressure from untrained amateur 'road safety' campaigners. That is why we have this mess. Dave500
  • Score: 13

7:29pm Sun 13 Jul 14

gheese77 says...

Mr P Brown wrote:
Despite reports last week saying that accidents have gone up in some places that have 20 mph limits , and the AA reporting they don't work in towns except by schools and hospitals The green council have decided they know best, and will carry on getting the residents of Brighton and Hove to pay for hundreds of signs that the vast majority of drivers, including buses, police and even the councils own vehicles take absolutely no notice of. Roll on 2015
The AA are NOT an impartial body when it comes to issues involving motorists. I would give much more weight to the opinion of RoSPA and the fact that pedestrians are much less likely to be killed or seriously injured if hit by a car travelling at under 30 mph.
Also if you think another council will restore the 30 mph limit, forget it. They are national government policy to encourage more walking and cycling. We need this to combat the obesity/diabetes epidemic sweeping the country
[quote][p][bold]Mr P Brown[/bold] wrote: Despite reports last week saying that accidents have gone up in some places that have 20 mph limits , and the AA reporting they don't work in towns except by schools and hospitals The green council have decided they know best, and will carry on getting the residents of Brighton and Hove to pay for hundreds of signs that the vast majority of drivers, including buses, police and even the councils own vehicles take absolutely no notice of. Roll on 2015[/p][/quote]The AA are NOT an impartial body when it comes to issues involving motorists. I would give much more weight to the opinion of RoSPA and the fact that pedestrians are much less likely to be killed or seriously injured if hit by a car travelling at under 30 mph. Also if you think another council will restore the 30 mph limit, forget it. They are national government policy to encourage more walking and cycling. We need this to combat the obesity/diabetes epidemic sweeping the country gheese77
  • Score: -5

7:44pm Sun 13 Jul 14

Fairfax Aches says...

Usual left wing propoganda spewing forth from the Argos. Why not just change the paper to green and show ur true colours.
Usual left wing propoganda spewing forth from the Argos. Why not just change the paper to green and show ur true colours. Fairfax Aches
  • Score: 5

8:31pm Sun 13 Jul 14

HJarrs says...

Fairfax Aches wrote:
Usual left wing propoganda spewing forth from the Argos. Why not just change the paper to green and show ur true colours.
You must be a real goose stepper if you think the Argus is biased to the Greens!!
[quote][p][bold]Fairfax Aches[/bold] wrote: Usual left wing propoganda spewing forth from the Argos. Why not just change the paper to green and show ur true colours.[/p][/quote]You must be a real goose stepper if you think the Argus is biased to the Greens!! HJarrs
  • Score: -4

8:35pm Sun 13 Jul 14

HJarrs says...

Mr P Brown wrote:
Despite reports last week saying that accidents have gone up in some places that have 20 mph limits , and the AA reporting they don't work in towns except by schools and hospitals The green council have decided they know best, and will carry on getting the residents of Brighton and Hove to pay for hundreds of signs that the vast majority of drivers, including buses, police and even the councils own vehicles take absolutely no notice of. Roll on 2015
The residents want it but were let down by conservative and Labour playing politics as usual rather than listening to residents. Given that the 20mph limits seems popular with a large proportion of residents, yes, roll in May 2015.
[quote][p][bold]Mr P Brown[/bold] wrote: Despite reports last week saying that accidents have gone up in some places that have 20 mph limits , and the AA reporting they don't work in towns except by schools and hospitals The green council have decided they know best, and will carry on getting the residents of Brighton and Hove to pay for hundreds of signs that the vast majority of drivers, including buses, police and even the councils own vehicles take absolutely no notice of. Roll on 2015[/p][/quote]The residents want it but were let down by conservative and Labour playing politics as usual rather than listening to residents. Given that the 20mph limits seems popular with a large proportion of residents, yes, roll in May 2015. HJarrs
  • Score: -6

9:18pm Sun 13 Jul 14

ghost bus driver says...

Plantpot wrote:
242 in total. Out of how many? Who was eligible to vote?

Woodland Drive has long wanted to keep all non-residents trffic out of the road.....
That's also the case in Woodland Avenue as well.
[quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: 242 in total. Out of how many? Who was eligible to vote? Woodland Drive has long wanted to keep all non-residents trffic out of the road.....[/p][/quote]That's also the case in Woodland Avenue as well. ghost bus driver
  • Score: 5

11:18pm Sun 13 Jul 14

the red head says...

You know a group doesn't mean anything. 240 people would average 120 houses out of how many?

Do the greens really have so little respect for our intelligence? Give us a percentage. One road in hove with a couple of hundred residents had 13... Yes, 13... Support a 20mph. Their application was greeted with glee and will no doubt be passed.

No one in hangleton abides by the current 20mph around waitrose, which astonishingly stops 50 yards before the blatchington mill school. Safety? This is not about safety but everything about little boys playing with our city.

I loathe what they've done to my town. Anyone with any respect for their neighbours would read the facts of this administration and feel the same. If you can find any facts within the spin, that is.
You know a group doesn't mean anything. 240 people would average 120 houses out of how many? Do the greens really have so little respect for our intelligence? Give us a percentage. One road in hove with a couple of hundred residents had 13... Yes, 13... Support a 20mph. Their application was greeted with glee and will no doubt be passed. No one in hangleton abides by the current 20mph around waitrose, which astonishingly stops 50 yards before the blatchington mill school. Safety? This is not about safety but everything about little boys playing with our city. I loathe what they've done to my town. Anyone with any respect for their neighbours would read the facts of this administration and feel the same. If you can find any facts within the spin, that is. the red head
  • Score: 10

1:43pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Sheeples says...

Interesting in the week when figures show nationally a 26% rise in serious accidents in 20mph and a 17% rise in minor. While 30mph zones fell.
Interesting in the week when figures show nationally a 26% rise in serious accidents in 20mph and a 17% rise in minor. While 30mph zones fell. Sheeples
  • Score: 9

2:18pm Mon 14 Jul 14

salty_pete says...

As this is a "consultation" it really doesn't matter what anybody votes, the council are not obliged to take a blind bit of notice. The decision has been taken, the box marked "consultation" has been ticked, so ahead it will go.
As this is a "consultation" it really doesn't matter what anybody votes, the council are not obliged to take a blind bit of notice. The decision has been taken, the box marked "consultation" has been ticked, so ahead it will go. salty_pete
  • Score: 9

11:40am Tue 15 Jul 14

MrDavis says...

I live on Bear Rd which has recently become a 20mph zone. The traffic noise is noticeable better since the change. Well done Brighton Council.
I live on Bear Rd which has recently become a 20mph zone. The traffic noise is noticeable better since the change. Well done Brighton Council. MrDavis
  • Score: -1

11:56am Tue 15 Jul 14

MrDavis says...

Why does it bother people? I stick to 20mph and don't find it any slower, those who insist on doing 30mph just spend longer at traffic lights..
Why does it bother people? I stick to 20mph and don't find it any slower, those who insist on doing 30mph just spend longer at traffic lights.. MrDavis
  • Score: 0
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