Greens’ tax hike labelled ‘waste of time’

Greens’ tax hike labelled ‘waste of time’

Greens’ tax hike labelled ‘waste of time’

First published in News

THE Greens’ proposed 5.9% council tax rise has been branded a “waste of time” by opposition councillors.

The planned hike, which was announced by the party earlier this month, was debated for the first time at Brighton and Hove City Council’s policy and resources committee.

The Greens, led by council leader Jason Kitcat, claim the rise is needed to meet a £25million funding shortfall.

However, opposition councillors slammed the proposal with the Conservatives calling for a tax freeze and Labour a 2% rise.

Councillors at the meeting on Friday voted for officers to begin work on a budget which would enable all options to be incorporated.

Green councillor Ollie Sykes, for Brunswick and Adelaide, told the meeting the rise was “eminently justifiable and reasonable”. He said: “It won’t solve all our problems but it will contribute to meeting the gap and raising the funding base in the future.”

The Conservatives dismissed the plans and called on officers not to waste their time with preparing a budget for the rise.

Councillor Ann Norman, for Withdean ward, said: “It has absolutely no chance of being passed by full council, let alone the city’s residents in a referendum, so we are putting forward an amendment today.

“I canvass in all areas of Brighton and Hove and I believe that residents would expect the council to take that tax freeze grant which is once again on offer.”

Labour, meanwhile, argued that cuts to council funding should not be passed on to residents and said a 2% rise should be aimed for.

Council Warren Morgan, leader of the Labour group, said: “We do not agree that passing on the Conservative government cuts to the people who can least afford it in the city is a solution to this..”

Last year the Green Party proposed a 4.75% increase in council tax. However, following the lack of cross-party support a rise of 1.99% was eventually decided on.

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8:07am Tue 15 Jul 14

HJarrs says...

Vote Labour and Conservative to maximise council cuts to the most vulnerable.
Vote Labour and Conservative to maximise council cuts to the most vulnerable. HJarrs
  • Score: -41

8:14am Tue 15 Jul 14

spa301 says...

troll
troll spa301
  • Score: 24

8:17am Tue 15 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

HJarrs wrote:
Vote Labour and Conservative to maximise council cuts to the most vulnerable.
Given that last night you took to arguing against yourself on the 'North Street' thread, can we shortly expect you to state:

"Vote Labour and Conservative to minimise council cuts to the most vulnerable." ?

http://www.theargus.
co.uk/news/11337830.
Road_changes_slammed
_by_cycling_campaign
er/
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Vote Labour and Conservative to maximise council cuts to the most vulnerable.[/p][/quote]Given that last night you took to arguing against yourself on the 'North Street' thread, can we shortly expect you to state: "Vote Labour and Conservative to minimise council cuts to the most vulnerable." ? http://www.theargus. co.uk/news/11337830. Road_changes_slammed _by_cycling_campaign er/ stevo!!
  • Score: 1

8:18am Tue 15 Jul 14

homewood says...

Hopefully the Green's will be gone soon and we can get our city back.
Hopefully the Green's will be gone soon and we can get our city back. homewood
  • Score: 41

8:22am Tue 15 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

In these cost-conscious times, the headline could easily have been shortened to:

"Greens labelled ‘waste of time’



and still made sense.
In these cost-conscious times, the headline could easily have been shortened to: "Greens labelled ‘waste of time’ and still made sense. stevo!!
  • Score: 24

8:24am Tue 15 Jul 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

Greens, the party which pleads poverty yet installs a light up bus time table costing a few grand for the wealthy residents of Preston Park.
No one believes a word they say except those rich enough to vote Green.
Greens, the party which pleads poverty yet installs a light up bus time table costing a few grand for the wealthy residents of Preston Park. No one believes a word they say except those rich enough to vote Green. Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: 33

8:37am Tue 15 Jul 14

chrismilo says...

I do not see the Problem, more Money to build more cycle and bus lanes that we desperately Need Lol
I do not see the Problem, more Money to build more cycle and bus lanes that we desperately Need Lol chrismilo
  • Score: 6

8:42am Tue 15 Jul 14

Martha Gunn says...

Even if this increase could be justified who in their right mind would trust the Green Party with the extra revenue?

Caroline's Clowns have laid waste to our city with their bonkers schemes and downright incompetence.

They have created middens in our midst because they can't collect the rubbish or deal with the recycling

It's time to say we want our city back and send them packing.

And now there's less than 300 days to go!
Let's make sure we kick them all out and end the disorder of this frightening failed experiment in infantile politics.
Even if this increase could be justified who in their right mind would trust the Green Party with the extra revenue? Caroline's Clowns have laid waste to our city with their bonkers schemes and downright incompetence. They have created middens in our midst because they can't collect the rubbish or deal with the recycling It's time to say we want our city back and send them packing. And now there's less than 300 days to go! Let's make sure we kick them all out and end the disorder of this frightening failed experiment in infantile politics. Martha Gunn
  • Score: 31

8:45am Tue 15 Jul 14

hoveguyactually says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Greens, the party which pleads poverty yet installs a light up bus time table costing a few grand for the wealthy residents of Preston Park.
No one believes a word they say except those rich enough to vote Green.
And, in spite of all their bellyaching about the environment, a streetlamp has been on throughout the daytime, every day, for several months, in Montpelier Villas. Great economy that!

The Greens - the party of tax and spend - are a waste of time period. The sooner they get kicked out the better.
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Greens, the party which pleads poverty yet installs a light up bus time table costing a few grand for the wealthy residents of Preston Park. No one believes a word they say except those rich enough to vote Green.[/p][/quote]And, in spite of all their bellyaching about the environment, a streetlamp has been on throughout the daytime, every day, for several months, in Montpelier Villas. Great economy that! The Greens - the party of tax and spend - are a waste of time period. The sooner they get kicked out the better. hoveguyactually
  • Score: 19

9:01am Tue 15 Jul 14

NickBtn says...

Deja vu!

Here's an idea. Limit to 1.99% (which is the mid ground which will happen anyway). If the greens believe that their supporters want to pay more then let them - set up an optional mechanism to give more. Let's see just how many of the green supporters really exist and put their money where their mouth is!

Meanwhile the council could look to become more efficient, get some of its departments working together and save some money to protect services. The more money the council gets the more it will need and spend/waste
Deja vu! Here's an idea. Limit to 1.99% (which is the mid ground which will happen anyway). If the greens believe that their supporters want to pay more then let them - set up an optional mechanism to give more. Let's see just how many of the green supporters really exist and put their money where their mouth is! Meanwhile the council could look to become more efficient, get some of its departments working together and save some money to protect services. The more money the council gets the more it will need and spend/waste NickBtn
  • Score: 12

9:24am Tue 15 Jul 14

Eugenius says...

Martha Gunn wrote:
Even if this increase could be justified who in their right mind would trust the Green Party with the extra revenue?

Caroline's Clowns have laid waste to our city with their bonkers schemes and downright incompetence.

They have created middens in our midst because they can't collect the rubbish or deal with the recycling

It's time to say we want our city back and send them packing.

And now there's less than 300 days to go!
Let's make sure we kick them all out and end the disorder of this frightening failed experiment in infantile politics.
It's not "extra revenue" - 5.9% will raise about £5 million to keep vital services running when we are facing a funding gap of £25 million this year, including a shocking austerity cut of £18m which the Government are taking out of our budget.

To help put that in context, £25m is more than the cost of our libraries, youth services, Cityparks, the planning service, sports facilities and child protection work put together.

Brighton & Hove isn't facing this crisis alone, other councils around the country are at the end of their tether with the cuts.

Sir Albert Bore, Leader of Birmingham City Council has protested “Politicians in Westminster are systematically dismantling services that maintain the very fabric of culture and community. These cuts will mean the end of local government as we know it”

John Hart, the Conservative leader of Devon County Council has written to local government ministers to warn them “We cannot make these extra savings without reducing substantially the services we offer to the people of Devon.”

Infantile politics is pretending that nothing needs to be done and it would all be magically different if another party was in charge.
[quote][p][bold]Martha Gunn[/bold] wrote: Even if this increase could be justified who in their right mind would trust the Green Party with the extra revenue? Caroline's Clowns have laid waste to our city with their bonkers schemes and downright incompetence. They have created middens in our midst because they can't collect the rubbish or deal with the recycling It's time to say we want our city back and send them packing. And now there's less than 300 days to go! Let's make sure we kick them all out and end the disorder of this frightening failed experiment in infantile politics.[/p][/quote]It's not "extra revenue" - 5.9% will raise about £5 million to keep vital services running when we are facing a funding gap of £25 million this year, including a shocking austerity cut of £18m which the Government are taking out of our budget. To help put that in context, £25m is more than the cost of our libraries, youth services, Cityparks, the planning service, sports facilities and child protection work put together. Brighton & Hove isn't facing this crisis alone, other councils around the country are at the end of their tether with the cuts. Sir Albert Bore, Leader of Birmingham City Council has protested “Politicians in Westminster are systematically dismantling services that maintain the very fabric of culture and community. These cuts will mean the end of local government as we know it” John Hart, the Conservative leader of Devon County Council has written to local government ministers to warn them “We cannot make these extra savings without reducing substantially the services we offer to the people of Devon.” Infantile politics is pretending that nothing needs to be done and it would all be magically different if another party was in charge. Eugenius
  • Score: -18

9:29am Tue 15 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

Eugenius wrote:
Martha Gunn wrote:
Even if this increase could be justified who in their right mind would trust the Green Party with the extra revenue?

Caroline's Clowns have laid waste to our city with their bonkers schemes and downright incompetence.

They have created middens in our midst because they can't collect the rubbish or deal with the recycling

It's time to say we want our city back and send them packing.

And now there's less than 300 days to go!
Let's make sure we kick them all out and end the disorder of this frightening failed experiment in infantile politics.
It's not "extra revenue" - 5.9% will raise about £5 million to keep vital services running when we are facing a funding gap of £25 million this year, including a shocking austerity cut of £18m which the Government are taking out of our budget.

To help put that in context, £25m is more than the cost of our libraries, youth services, Cityparks, the planning service, sports facilities and child protection work put together.

Brighton & Hove isn't facing this crisis alone, other councils around the country are at the end of their tether with the cuts.

Sir Albert Bore, Leader of Birmingham City Council has protested “Politicians in Westminster are systematically dismantling services that maintain the very fabric of culture and community. These cuts will mean the end of local government as we know it”

John Hart, the Conservative leader of Devon County Council has written to local government ministers to warn them “We cannot make these extra savings without reducing substantially the services we offer to the people of Devon.”

Infantile politics is pretending that nothing needs to be done and it would all be magically different if another party was in charge.
You refer to 'vital services', Jason, but what about the bribes......sorry...
.the loan paid to the builders of the i-Sore?
[quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Martha Gunn[/bold] wrote: Even if this increase could be justified who in their right mind would trust the Green Party with the extra revenue? Caroline's Clowns have laid waste to our city with their bonkers schemes and downright incompetence. They have created middens in our midst because they can't collect the rubbish or deal with the recycling It's time to say we want our city back and send them packing. And now there's less than 300 days to go! Let's make sure we kick them all out and end the disorder of this frightening failed experiment in infantile politics.[/p][/quote]It's not "extra revenue" - 5.9% will raise about £5 million to keep vital services running when we are facing a funding gap of £25 million this year, including a shocking austerity cut of £18m which the Government are taking out of our budget. To help put that in context, £25m is more than the cost of our libraries, youth services, Cityparks, the planning service, sports facilities and child protection work put together. Brighton & Hove isn't facing this crisis alone, other councils around the country are at the end of their tether with the cuts. Sir Albert Bore, Leader of Birmingham City Council has protested “Politicians in Westminster are systematically dismantling services that maintain the very fabric of culture and community. These cuts will mean the end of local government as we know it” John Hart, the Conservative leader of Devon County Council has written to local government ministers to warn them “We cannot make these extra savings without reducing substantially the services we offer to the people of Devon.” Infantile politics is pretending that nothing needs to be done and it would all be magically different if another party was in charge.[/p][/quote]You refer to 'vital services', Jason, but what about the bribes......sorry... .the loan paid to the builders of the i-Sore? stevo!!
  • Score: 6

9:39am Tue 15 Jul 14

Fight_Back says...

HJarrs wrote:
Vote Labour and Conservative to maximise council cuts to the most vulnerable.
Vote Green to hit the city's lowest paid the hardest.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Vote Labour and Conservative to maximise council cuts to the most vulnerable.[/p][/quote]Vote Green to hit the city's lowest paid the hardest. Fight_Back
  • Score: 14

9:40am Tue 15 Jul 14

Martha Gunn says...

Eugenius you miss the point.

Caroline Lucas and the Green council are a busted flush.

Nobody (except your band of deluded zealots) trusts them to run anything ever again.

The details of the budget are another matter entirely.

It's time for Lucas and the Acolytes to pack their bags and get out of town.
Eugenius you miss the point. Caroline Lucas and the Green council are a busted flush. Nobody (except your band of deluded zealots) trusts them to run anything ever again. The details of the budget are another matter entirely. It's time for Lucas and the Acolytes to pack their bags and get out of town. Martha Gunn
  • Score: 18

9:44am Tue 15 Jul 14

Eugenius says...

i360 loan isn't coming out of council tax, funding has been accessed from the national Public Work Loans Board and will be repaid by the developer with tidy interest worth £1m a year to the council, which we have earmarked for seafront repairs. The council will also receive a percentage on the ticket sales.
i360 loan isn't coming out of council tax, funding has been accessed from the national Public Work Loans Board and will be repaid by the developer with tidy interest worth £1m a year to the council, which we have earmarked for seafront repairs. The council will also receive a percentage on the ticket sales. Eugenius
  • Score: -17

9:50am Tue 15 Jul 14

Fight_Back says...

Eugenius wrote:
Martha Gunn wrote:
Even if this increase could be justified who in their right mind would trust the Green Party with the extra revenue?

Caroline's Clowns have laid waste to our city with their bonkers schemes and downright incompetence.

They have created middens in our midst because they can't collect the rubbish or deal with the recycling

It's time to say we want our city back and send them packing.

And now there's less than 300 days to go!
Let's make sure we kick them all out and end the disorder of this frightening failed experiment in infantile politics.
It's not "extra revenue" - 5.9% will raise about £5 million to keep vital services running when we are facing a funding gap of £25 million this year, including a shocking austerity cut of £18m which the Government are taking out of our budget.

To help put that in context, £25m is more than the cost of our libraries, youth services, Cityparks, the planning service, sports facilities and child protection work put together.

Brighton & Hove isn't facing this crisis alone, other councils around the country are at the end of their tether with the cuts.

Sir Albert Bore, Leader of Birmingham City Council has protested “Politicians in Westminster are systematically dismantling services that maintain the very fabric of culture and community. These cuts will mean the end of local government as we know it”

John Hart, the Conservative leader of Devon County Council has written to local government ministers to warn them “We cannot make these extra savings without reducing substantially the services we offer to the people of Devon.”

Infantile politics is pretending that nothing needs to be done and it would all be magically different if another party was in charge.
This would be a fine statement to make if it weren't for one key fact that the Greens seem to forget - all you are doing is passing the burden onto taxpayers that already are struggling. I doubt anyone has had a 6% pay increase, indeed many will consider themselves lucky to have got any rise - many have taken pay cuts ( 35% in my case ). Where do the Greens think we the taxpayer should find this extra money ? An utter lack of understanding and empathy for many peoples financial situations is what makes the Greens such a hated party.

Here's a proposal - I'm as you're a councillor you'll agree with this as it will save some money - for every percentage point council tax is increased, councillors have to take a 5% cut in allowances ? Put YOUR money where your mouth is rather than constantly hitting the poorest paid in the city year after year after year.
[quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Martha Gunn[/bold] wrote: Even if this increase could be justified who in their right mind would trust the Green Party with the extra revenue? Caroline's Clowns have laid waste to our city with their bonkers schemes and downright incompetence. They have created middens in our midst because they can't collect the rubbish or deal with the recycling It's time to say we want our city back and send them packing. And now there's less than 300 days to go! Let's make sure we kick them all out and end the disorder of this frightening failed experiment in infantile politics.[/p][/quote]It's not "extra revenue" - 5.9% will raise about £5 million to keep vital services running when we are facing a funding gap of £25 million this year, including a shocking austerity cut of £18m which the Government are taking out of our budget. To help put that in context, £25m is more than the cost of our libraries, youth services, Cityparks, the planning service, sports facilities and child protection work put together. Brighton & Hove isn't facing this crisis alone, other councils around the country are at the end of their tether with the cuts. Sir Albert Bore, Leader of Birmingham City Council has protested “Politicians in Westminster are systematically dismantling services that maintain the very fabric of culture and community. These cuts will mean the end of local government as we know it” John Hart, the Conservative leader of Devon County Council has written to local government ministers to warn them “We cannot make these extra savings without reducing substantially the services we offer to the people of Devon.” Infantile politics is pretending that nothing needs to be done and it would all be magically different if another party was in charge.[/p][/quote]This would be a fine statement to make if it weren't for one key fact that the Greens seem to forget - all you are doing is passing the burden onto taxpayers that already are struggling. I doubt anyone has had a 6% pay increase, indeed many will consider themselves lucky to have got any rise - many have taken pay cuts ( 35% in my case ). Where do the Greens think we the taxpayer should find this extra money ? An utter lack of understanding and empathy for many peoples financial situations is what makes the Greens such a hated party. Here's a proposal - I'm as you're a councillor you'll agree with this as it will save some money - for every percentage point council tax is increased, councillors have to take a 5% cut in allowances ? Put YOUR money where your mouth is rather than constantly hitting the poorest paid in the city year after year after year. Fight_Back
  • Score: 11

9:51am Tue 15 Jul 14

Fight_Back says...

Eugenius wrote:
i360 loan isn't coming out of council tax, funding has been accessed from the national Public Work Loans Board and will be repaid by the developer with tidy interest worth £1m a year to the council, which we have earmarked for seafront repairs. The council will also receive a percentage on the ticket sales.
And who pays the loan if the developer goes bust ?
[quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: i360 loan isn't coming out of council tax, funding has been accessed from the national Public Work Loans Board and will be repaid by the developer with tidy interest worth £1m a year to the council, which we have earmarked for seafront repairs. The council will also receive a percentage on the ticket sales.[/p][/quote]And who pays the loan if the developer goes bust ? Fight_Back
  • Score: 2

10:00am Tue 15 Jul 14

Benji.uk says...

Strange how the borough of Windsor and Maidenhead have been reducing council tax for the last 5 years and have proposed a 2% cut this year.
http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/uk-england-ber
kshire-25826669

Finance councillor Simon Dudley said: "We have a laser-like focus on finding efficiencies, cutting waste and developing smarter, leaner and more effective ways of working. We run our finances knowing that it is residents' money to spend prudently."
Strange how the borough of Windsor and Maidenhead have been reducing council tax for the last 5 years and have proposed a 2% cut this year. http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/uk-england-ber kshire-25826669 Finance councillor Simon Dudley said: "We have a laser-like focus on finding efficiencies, cutting waste and developing smarter, leaner and more effective ways of working. We run our finances knowing that it is residents' money to spend prudently." Benji.uk
  • Score: 4

10:11am Tue 15 Jul 14

Eugenius says...

Fight_Back wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
i360 loan isn't coming out of council tax, funding has been accessed from the national Public Work Loans Board and will be repaid by the developer with tidy interest worth £1m a year to the council, which we have earmarked for seafront repairs. The council will also receive a percentage on the ticket sales.
And who pays the loan if the developer goes bust ?
Agree that people aren't getting 6% annual pay rises, but this is a one-off rise we are talking about, after council tax having been frozen in the first year of the administration and two years at 2%. So even with 5.9% next year, council tax will have risen less than inflation during our term in office.

The lowest council tax rise under Labour's last term in office in Brighton and Hove was 4.8%, with eye watering highs of 10.9%, 12.5% and 14.5%

Council tax isn't a perfect tax system but we do provide our Council Tax Reduction Scheme which lowers the bill for around 17000 low income households.
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: i360 loan isn't coming out of council tax, funding has been accessed from the national Public Work Loans Board and will be repaid by the developer with tidy interest worth £1m a year to the council, which we have earmarked for seafront repairs. The council will also receive a percentage on the ticket sales.[/p][/quote]And who pays the loan if the developer goes bust ?[/p][/quote]Agree that people aren't getting 6% annual pay rises, but this is a one-off rise we are talking about, after council tax having been frozen in the first year of the administration and two years at 2%. So even with 5.9% next year, council tax will have risen less than inflation during our term in office. The lowest council tax rise under Labour's last term in office in Brighton and Hove was 4.8%, with eye watering highs of 10.9%, 12.5% and 14.5% Council tax isn't a perfect tax system but we do provide our Council Tax Reduction Scheme which lowers the bill for around 17000 low income households. Eugenius
  • Score: -10

10:21am Tue 15 Jul 14

Eugenius says...

Benji.uk wrote:
Strange how the borough of Windsor and Maidenhead have been reducing council tax for the last 5 years and have proposed a 2% cut this year.
http://www.bbc.co.uk

/news/uk-england-ber

kshire-25826669

Finance councillor Simon Dudley said: "We have a laser-like focus on finding efficiencies, cutting waste and developing smarter, leaner and more effective ways of working. We run our finances knowing that it is residents' money to spend prudently."
Strange how the Coalition Government's Revenue Grant Formula favours rural and affluent districts, awarding more funding to towns which have residents who are financially comfortable (and in some cases own castles!) and smaller numbers of residents in receipt of benefits and in need of social care services.
[quote][p][bold]Benji.uk[/bold] wrote: Strange how the borough of Windsor and Maidenhead have been reducing council tax for the last 5 years and have proposed a 2% cut this year. http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/uk-england-ber kshire-25826669 Finance councillor Simon Dudley said: "We have a laser-like focus on finding efficiencies, cutting waste and developing smarter, leaner and more effective ways of working. We run our finances knowing that it is residents' money to spend prudently."[/p][/quote]Strange how the Coalition Government's Revenue Grant Formula favours rural and affluent districts, awarding more funding to towns which have residents who are financially comfortable (and in some cases own castles!) and smaller numbers of residents in receipt of benefits and in need of social care services. Eugenius
  • Score: -8

10:22am Tue 15 Jul 14

Fercri Sakes says...

Benji.uk wrote:
Strange how the borough of Windsor and Maidenhead have been reducing council tax for the last 5 years and have proposed a 2% cut this year.
http://www.bbc.co.uk

/news/uk-england-ber

kshire-25826669

Finance councillor Simon Dudley said: "We have a laser-like focus on finding efficiencies, cutting waste and developing smarter, leaner and more effective ways of working. We run our finances knowing that it is residents' money to spend prudently."
This borough also includes Eton, as well as the Queens residence. I don't think it's representative of UK councils.
[quote][p][bold]Benji.uk[/bold] wrote: Strange how the borough of Windsor and Maidenhead have been reducing council tax for the last 5 years and have proposed a 2% cut this year. http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/uk-england-ber kshire-25826669 Finance councillor Simon Dudley said: "We have a laser-like focus on finding efficiencies, cutting waste and developing smarter, leaner and more effective ways of working. We run our finances knowing that it is residents' money to spend prudently."[/p][/quote]This borough also includes Eton, as well as the Queens residence. I don't think it's representative of UK councils. Fercri Sakes
  • Score: -1

10:26am Tue 15 Jul 14

Fight_Back says...

Eugenius wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
i360 loan isn't coming out of council tax, funding has been accessed from the national Public Work Loans Board and will be repaid by the developer with tidy interest worth £1m a year to the council, which we have earmarked for seafront repairs. The council will also receive a percentage on the ticket sales.
And who pays the loan if the developer goes bust ?
Agree that people aren't getting 6% annual pay rises, but this is a one-off rise we are talking about, after council tax having been frozen in the first year of the administration and two years at 2%. So even with 5.9% next year, council tax will have risen less than inflation during our term in office.

The lowest council tax rise under Labour's last term in office in Brighton and Hove was 4.8%, with eye watering highs of 10.9%, 12.5% and 14.5%

Council tax isn't a perfect tax system but we do provide our Council Tax Reduction Scheme which lowers the bill for around 17000 low income households.
I know of and have experienced the Council Tax Reduction Scheme. To say it is shambolic, inefficient and incompetent is an understatement but that's for a different debate.

Nice avoidance about who pays the i360 loan should the developer go bust !
[quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: i360 loan isn't coming out of council tax, funding has been accessed from the national Public Work Loans Board and will be repaid by the developer with tidy interest worth £1m a year to the council, which we have earmarked for seafront repairs. The council will also receive a percentage on the ticket sales.[/p][/quote]And who pays the loan if the developer goes bust ?[/p][/quote]Agree that people aren't getting 6% annual pay rises, but this is a one-off rise we are talking about, after council tax having been frozen in the first year of the administration and two years at 2%. So even with 5.9% next year, council tax will have risen less than inflation during our term in office. The lowest council tax rise under Labour's last term in office in Brighton and Hove was 4.8%, with eye watering highs of 10.9%, 12.5% and 14.5% Council tax isn't a perfect tax system but we do provide our Council Tax Reduction Scheme which lowers the bill for around 17000 low income households.[/p][/quote]I know of and have experienced the Council Tax Reduction Scheme. To say it is shambolic, inefficient and incompetent is an understatement but that's for a different debate. Nice avoidance about who pays the i360 loan should the developer go bust ! Fight_Back
  • Score: 2

10:38am Tue 15 Jul 14

Fercri Sakes says...

Martha Gunn wrote:
Eugenius you miss the point.

Caroline Lucas and the Green council are a busted flush.

Nobody (except your band of deluded zealots) trusts them to run anything ever again.

The details of the budget are another matter entirely.

It's time for Lucas and the Acolytes to pack their bags and get out of town.
A busted flush? Lucas is a great MP. She's won a number of awards for her work in Westminster. She's one of the only voices up there that is supporting the NHS. Don't you thinks it's nice to have at least one MP in Westminster who cares about the environment and ethical issues?

And I think the Green council have been a success too. Has everybody forgotten the previous expensive shambles? Labour and the Tories had worse bin strikes, and the recent one happened due to previous administrations neglect of policy.

Why don't all the moaners have a walk around Brighton one evening this week. Yes, walk, you can do it if you try. Walk through the new Level, through the Laines, the south lanes, the beach. Do you see a ruined city? If you think these happy faces you see are part of a Green-led Communist dystopia then I really think it's time you left the city, and went on a quest to find your marbles.
[quote][p][bold]Martha Gunn[/bold] wrote: Eugenius you miss the point. Caroline Lucas and the Green council are a busted flush. Nobody (except your band of deluded zealots) trusts them to run anything ever again. The details of the budget are another matter entirely. It's time for Lucas and the Acolytes to pack their bags and get out of town.[/p][/quote]A busted flush? Lucas is a great MP. She's won a number of awards for her work in Westminster. She's one of the only voices up there that is supporting the NHS. Don't you thinks it's nice to have at least one MP in Westminster who cares about the environment and ethical issues? And I think the Green council have been a success too. Has everybody forgotten the previous expensive shambles? Labour and the Tories had worse bin strikes, and the recent one happened due to previous administrations neglect of policy. Why don't all the moaners have a walk around Brighton one evening this week. Yes, walk, you can do it if you try. Walk through the new Level, through the Laines, the south lanes, the beach. Do you see a ruined city? If you think these happy faces you see are part of a Green-led Communist dystopia then I really think it's time you left the city, and went on a quest to find your marbles. Fercri Sakes
  • Score: -11

10:44am Tue 15 Jul 14

Benji.uk says...

You are missing the point of what they are doing.
Trying to turn it around to protect why B&H council aren't doing the same, typical political maneuvering.
I don't care about the politics I care about the principles of finding efficiency, cutting waste and developing smarter, leaner and more effective ways of working. "
and the fact that it is residents' money to spend prudently.

Where it is doesn't matter, its the concept.
I don't see B&H council doing any of that.
You are missing the point of what they are doing. Trying to turn it around to protect why B&H council aren't doing the same, typical political maneuvering. I don't care about the politics I care about the principles of finding efficiency, cutting waste and developing smarter, leaner and more effective ways of working. " and the fact that it is residents' money to spend prudently. Where it is doesn't matter, its the concept. I don't see B&H council doing any of that. Benji.uk
  • Score: 5

11:04am Tue 15 Jul 14

Martha Gunn says...

Fercri you didn't seem to spot the overflowing bins and the rubbish billowing down the street.

Nor the already pitifully low, but still declining, rates of recycling.
Now compounded by the end of kerbside collections.

Or the totally unnecessary and already redundant bonkers traffic schemes.
Or the ever growing list of discarded vanity projects

Or a population totally disillusioned and worn down by more than three years of maladministration, bloated claims and obscurantist Greenspeak.

But the problem is Fercri you belong to a cult, for whom the evidence of your eyes and ears will never make any difference.
Fercri you didn't seem to spot the overflowing bins and the rubbish billowing down the street. Nor the already pitifully low, but still declining, rates of recycling. Now compounded by the end of kerbside collections. Or the totally unnecessary and already redundant bonkers traffic schemes. Or the ever growing list of discarded vanity projects Or a population totally disillusioned and worn down by more than three years of maladministration, bloated claims and obscurantist Greenspeak. But the problem is Fercri you belong to a cult, for whom the evidence of your eyes and ears will never make any difference. Martha Gunn
  • Score: 14

11:07am Tue 15 Jul 14

ruberducker says...

Fercri Sakes wrote:
Martha Gunn wrote:
Eugenius you miss the point.

Caroline Lucas and the Green council are a busted flush.

Nobody (except your band of deluded zealots) trusts them to run anything ever again.

The details of the budget are another matter entirely.

It's time for Lucas and the Acolytes to pack their bags and get out of town.
A busted flush? Lucas is a great MP. She's won a number of awards for her work in Westminster. She's one of the only voices up there that is supporting the NHS. Don't you thinks it's nice to have at least one MP in Westminster who cares about the environment and ethical issues?

And I think the Green council have been a success too. Has everybody forgotten the previous expensive shambles? Labour and the Tories had worse bin strikes, and the recent one happened due to previous administrations neglect of policy.

Why don't all the moaners have a walk around Brighton one evening this week. Yes, walk, you can do it if you try. Walk through the new Level, through the Laines, the south lanes, the beach. Do you see a ruined city? If you think these happy faces you see are part of a Green-led Communist dystopia then I really think it's time you left the city, and went on a quest to find your marbles.
What have you been smoking.
Since the greens have been on power,they have:increased pollution becuase of the stupid road -un-improvements which goes agaist there manifest to reduce carbon footprint.
they have the worst record for recycling
they have spent a fortune dealing with the travellers.
Our roads are in a bad repair
they spent a fortune on 20mph signs.that are again hard to enforce and increase a cars toxic output-busses even more.
if we need to talk to an official/department we are allways in for a long wait."but your call is important to us"
And you think the greens are doing ok.
[quote][p][bold]Fercri Sakes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Martha Gunn[/bold] wrote: Eugenius you miss the point. Caroline Lucas and the Green council are a busted flush. Nobody (except your band of deluded zealots) trusts them to run anything ever again. The details of the budget are another matter entirely. It's time for Lucas and the Acolytes to pack their bags and get out of town.[/p][/quote]A busted flush? Lucas is a great MP. She's won a number of awards for her work in Westminster. She's one of the only voices up there that is supporting the NHS. Don't you thinks it's nice to have at least one MP in Westminster who cares about the environment and ethical issues? And I think the Green council have been a success too. Has everybody forgotten the previous expensive shambles? Labour and the Tories had worse bin strikes, and the recent one happened due to previous administrations neglect of policy. Why don't all the moaners have a walk around Brighton one evening this week. Yes, walk, you can do it if you try. Walk through the new Level, through the Laines, the south lanes, the beach. Do you see a ruined city? If you think these happy faces you see are part of a Green-led Communist dystopia then I really think it's time you left the city, and went on a quest to find your marbles.[/p][/quote]What have you been smoking. Since the greens have been on power,they have:increased pollution becuase of the stupid road -un-improvements which goes agaist there manifest to reduce carbon footprint. they have the worst record for recycling they have spent a fortune dealing with the travellers. Our roads are in a bad repair they spent a fortune on 20mph signs.that are again hard to enforce and increase a cars toxic output-busses even more. if we need to talk to an official/department we are allways in for a long wait."but your call is important to us" And you think the greens are doing ok. ruberducker
  • Score: 6

11:09am Tue 15 Jul 14

Fight_Back says...

Fercri Sakes wrote:
Martha Gunn wrote:
Eugenius you miss the point.

Caroline Lucas and the Green council are a busted flush.

Nobody (except your band of deluded zealots) trusts them to run anything ever again.

The details of the budget are another matter entirely.

It's time for Lucas and the Acolytes to pack their bags and get out of town.
A busted flush? Lucas is a great MP. She's won a number of awards for her work in Westminster. She's one of the only voices up there that is supporting the NHS. Don't you thinks it's nice to have at least one MP in Westminster who cares about the environment and ethical issues?

And I think the Green council have been a success too. Has everybody forgotten the previous expensive shambles? Labour and the Tories had worse bin strikes, and the recent one happened due to previous administrations neglect of policy.

Why don't all the moaners have a walk around Brighton one evening this week. Yes, walk, you can do it if you try. Walk through the new Level, through the Laines, the south lanes, the beach. Do you see a ruined city? If you think these happy faces you see are part of a Green-led Communist dystopia then I really think it's time you left the city, and went on a quest to find your marbles.
Rather difficult to walk through two places that don't actually exist. That's they problem with the Greens and many of their supporters - they're not local. B&H was a Green experiment.
[quote][p][bold]Fercri Sakes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Martha Gunn[/bold] wrote: Eugenius you miss the point. Caroline Lucas and the Green council are a busted flush. Nobody (except your band of deluded zealots) trusts them to run anything ever again. The details of the budget are another matter entirely. It's time for Lucas and the Acolytes to pack their bags and get out of town.[/p][/quote]A busted flush? Lucas is a great MP. She's won a number of awards for her work in Westminster. She's one of the only voices up there that is supporting the NHS. Don't you thinks it's nice to have at least one MP in Westminster who cares about the environment and ethical issues? And I think the Green council have been a success too. Has everybody forgotten the previous expensive shambles? Labour and the Tories had worse bin strikes, and the recent one happened due to previous administrations neglect of policy. Why don't all the moaners have a walk around Brighton one evening this week. Yes, walk, you can do it if you try. Walk through the new Level, through the Laines, the south lanes, the beach. Do you see a ruined city? If you think these happy faces you see are part of a Green-led Communist dystopia then I really think it's time you left the city, and went on a quest to find your marbles.[/p][/quote]Rather difficult to walk through two places that don't actually exist. That's they problem with the Greens and many of their supporters - they're not local. B&H was a Green experiment. Fight_Back
  • Score: 2

11:24am Tue 15 Jul 14

Fercri Sakes says...

ruberducker wrote:
Fercri Sakes wrote:
Martha Gunn wrote:
Eugenius you miss the point.

Caroline Lucas and the Green council are a busted flush.

Nobody (except your band of deluded zealots) trusts them to run anything ever again.

The details of the budget are another matter entirely.

It's time for Lucas and the Acolytes to pack their bags and get out of town.
A busted flush? Lucas is a great MP. She's won a number of awards for her work in Westminster. She's one of the only voices up there that is supporting the NHS. Don't you thinks it's nice to have at least one MP in Westminster who cares about the environment and ethical issues?

And I think the Green council have been a success too. Has everybody forgotten the previous expensive shambles? Labour and the Tories had worse bin strikes, and the recent one happened due to previous administrations neglect of policy.

Why don't all the moaners have a walk around Brighton one evening this week. Yes, walk, you can do it if you try. Walk through the new Level, through the Laines, the south lanes, the beach. Do you see a ruined city? If you think these happy faces you see are part of a Green-led Communist dystopia then I really think it's time you left the city, and went on a quest to find your marbles.
What have you been smoking.
Since the greens have been on power,they have:increased pollution becuase of the stupid road -un-improvements which goes agaist there manifest to reduce carbon footprint.
they have the worst record for recycling
they have spent a fortune dealing with the travellers.
Our roads are in a bad repair
they spent a fortune on 20mph signs.that are again hard to enforce and increase a cars toxic output-busses even more.
if we need to talk to an official/department we are allways in for a long wait."but your call is important to us"
And you think the greens are doing ok.
No, they didn't. It's improving. Didn't you read the last report?



In the country? Really?



As have and as will any other administrations.



Really? Seem good to me.



They spent half a million pounds. This is miniscule amount of money in comparrison to a road death or a serious injury. Most people I know want it as they want safer streets for their kids. And I wish the police would enforce it as I'm fed up of boy racers whizzing around the streets at 40 here. It's a menace.



Yes. They do get a lot of right-wingers fidgeting in their seats though. Oh, the change! We can't handle it! Build a motorway to the Pier to save this city!
[quote][p][bold]ruberducker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fercri Sakes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Martha Gunn[/bold] wrote: Eugenius you miss the point. Caroline Lucas and the Green council are a busted flush. Nobody (except your band of deluded zealots) trusts them to run anything ever again. The details of the budget are another matter entirely. It's time for Lucas and the Acolytes to pack their bags and get out of town.[/p][/quote]A busted flush? Lucas is a great MP. She's won a number of awards for her work in Westminster. She's one of the only voices up there that is supporting the NHS. Don't you thinks it's nice to have at least one MP in Westminster who cares about the environment and ethical issues? And I think the Green council have been a success too. Has everybody forgotten the previous expensive shambles? Labour and the Tories had worse bin strikes, and the recent one happened due to previous administrations neglect of policy. Why don't all the moaners have a walk around Brighton one evening this week. Yes, walk, you can do it if you try. Walk through the new Level, through the Laines, the south lanes, the beach. Do you see a ruined city? If you think these happy faces you see are part of a Green-led Communist dystopia then I really think it's time you left the city, and went on a quest to find your marbles.[/p][/quote]What have you been smoking. Since the greens have been on power,they have:increased pollution becuase of the stupid road -un-improvements which goes agaist there manifest to reduce carbon footprint. they have the worst record for recycling they have spent a fortune dealing with the travellers. Our roads are in a bad repair they spent a fortune on 20mph signs.that are again hard to enforce and increase a cars toxic output-busses even more. if we need to talk to an official/department we are allways in for a long wait."but your call is important to us" And you think the greens are doing ok.[/p][/quote]No, they didn't. It's improving. Didn't you read the last report? In the country? Really? As have and as will any other administrations. Really? Seem good to me. They spent half a million pounds. This is miniscule amount of money in comparrison to a road death or a serious injury. Most people I know want it as they want safer streets for their kids. And I wish the police would enforce it as I'm fed up of boy racers whizzing around the streets at 40 here. It's a menace. Yes. They do get a lot of right-wingers fidgeting in their seats though. Oh, the change! We can't handle it! Build a motorway to the Pier to save this city! Fercri Sakes
  • Score: -14

11:28am Tue 15 Jul 14

cookie_brighton says...

Get the NON PAYING council tax students to pay, if not all the council tax then a reduced amount, I am not working at the moment due to an accident at work, I have to pay, a reduced rate, council tax out of my welfare benefit......so why not students after all it is most, please note.,.....not all, that create the mess on our streets with their placing beds, wardrobes, mattresses , cupboards, and black refuse sacks on the pavement/road then there is the graffitti...instead of raising the amount we pay.......get students to pay, after all we get the same services.
Get the NON PAYING council tax students to pay, if not all the council tax then a reduced amount, I am not working at the moment due to an accident at work, I have to pay, a reduced rate, council tax out of my welfare benefit......so why not students after all it is most, please note.,.....not all, that create the mess on our streets with their placing beds, wardrobes, mattresses , cupboards, and black refuse sacks on the pavement/road then there is the graffitti...instead of raising the amount we pay.......get students to pay, after all we get the same services. cookie_brighton
  • Score: 7

11:29am Tue 15 Jul 14

Fercri Sakes says...

ruberducker wrote:
Fercri Sakes wrote:
Martha Gunn wrote:
Eugenius you miss the point.

Caroline Lucas and the Green council are a busted flush.

Nobody (except your band of deluded zealots) trusts them to run anything ever again.

The details of the budget are another matter entirely.

It's time for Lucas and the Acolytes to pack their bags and get out of town.
A busted flush? Lucas is a great MP. She's won a number of awards for her work in Westminster. She's one of the only voices up there that is supporting the NHS. Don't you thinks it's nice to have at least one MP in Westminster who cares about the environment and ethical issues?

And I think the Green council have been a success too. Has everybody forgotten the previous expensive shambles? Labour and the Tories had worse bin strikes, and the recent one happened due to previous administrations neglect of policy.

Why don't all the moaners have a walk around Brighton one evening this week. Yes, walk, you can do it if you try. Walk through the new Level, through the Laines, the south lanes, the beach. Do you see a ruined city? If you think these happy faces you see are part of a Green-led Communist dystopia then I really think it's time you left the city, and went on a quest to find your marbles.
What have you been smoking.
Since the greens have been on power,they have:increased pollution becuase of the stupid road -un-improvements which goes agaist there manifest to reduce carbon footprint.
they have the worst record for recycling
they have spent a fortune dealing with the travellers.
Our roads are in a bad repair
they spent a fortune on 20mph signs.that are again hard to enforce and increase a cars toxic output-busses even more.
if we need to talk to an official/department we are allways in for a long wait."but your call is important to us"
And you think the greens are doing ok.
The formatting bust on my last reply. Here we go again in response to ruberducky:

- Since the greens have been on power,they have:increased pollution

No, they didn't. It's improving. Didn't you read the last report?

- they have the worst record for recycling

In the country? Really?

- they have spent a fortune dealing with the travellers.

As have and as will any other administrations.

- Our roads are in a bad repair

Really? Seem good to me.

- they spent a fortune on 20mph signs

They spent half a million pounds. This is miniscule amount of money in comparrison to a road death or a serious injury. Most people I know want it as they want safer streets for their kids. And I wish the police would enforce it as I'm fed up of boy racers whizzing around the streets at 40 here. They're a menace. And it would raise some much needed revenue.

- And you think the greens are doing ok.

Yes. They do get a lot of right-wingers fidgeting in their seats though. Oh, the change! We can't handle it! Build a motorway to the Pier to save this city!
[quote][p][bold]ruberducker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fercri Sakes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Martha Gunn[/bold] wrote: Eugenius you miss the point. Caroline Lucas and the Green council are a busted flush. Nobody (except your band of deluded zealots) trusts them to run anything ever again. The details of the budget are another matter entirely. It's time for Lucas and the Acolytes to pack their bags and get out of town.[/p][/quote]A busted flush? Lucas is a great MP. She's won a number of awards for her work in Westminster. She's one of the only voices up there that is supporting the NHS. Don't you thinks it's nice to have at least one MP in Westminster who cares about the environment and ethical issues? And I think the Green council have been a success too. Has everybody forgotten the previous expensive shambles? Labour and the Tories had worse bin strikes, and the recent one happened due to previous administrations neglect of policy. Why don't all the moaners have a walk around Brighton one evening this week. Yes, walk, you can do it if you try. Walk through the new Level, through the Laines, the south lanes, the beach. Do you see a ruined city? If you think these happy faces you see are part of a Green-led Communist dystopia then I really think it's time you left the city, and went on a quest to find your marbles.[/p][/quote]What have you been smoking. Since the greens have been on power,they have:increased pollution becuase of the stupid road -un-improvements which goes agaist there manifest to reduce carbon footprint. they have the worst record for recycling they have spent a fortune dealing with the travellers. Our roads are in a bad repair they spent a fortune on 20mph signs.that are again hard to enforce and increase a cars toxic output-busses even more. if we need to talk to an official/department we are allways in for a long wait."but your call is important to us" And you think the greens are doing ok.[/p][/quote]The formatting bust on my last reply. Here we go again in response to ruberducky: - Since the greens have been on power,they have:increased pollution No, they didn't. It's improving. Didn't you read the last report? - they have the worst record for recycling In the country? Really? - they have spent a fortune dealing with the travellers. As have and as will any other administrations. - Our roads are in a bad repair Really? Seem good to me. - they spent a fortune on 20mph signs They spent half a million pounds. This is miniscule amount of money in comparrison to a road death or a serious injury. Most people I know want it as they want safer streets for their kids. And I wish the police would enforce it as I'm fed up of boy racers whizzing around the streets at 40 here. They're a menace. And it would raise some much needed revenue. - And you think the greens are doing ok. Yes. They do get a lot of right-wingers fidgeting in their seats though. Oh, the change! We can't handle it! Build a motorway to the Pier to save this city! Fercri Sakes
  • Score: -13

11:43am Tue 15 Jul 14

MrDavis says...

Can someone please explain how building cycle lanes and changing the speed limit to 20mph is a waste of money? Do some people enjoy breathing car fumes and hearing traffic noise? I think its great what the council are trying to do - make the city a more pleasant place to live.
Can someone please explain how building cycle lanes and changing the speed limit to 20mph is a waste of money? Do some people enjoy breathing car fumes and hearing traffic noise? I think its great what the council are trying to do - make the city a more pleasant place to live. MrDavis
  • Score: -13

11:46am Tue 15 Jul 14

We love Red Billy says...

Fercri Sakes wrote:
Martha Gunn wrote:
Eugenius you miss the point.

Caroline Lucas and the Green council are a busted flush.

Nobody (except your band of deluded zealots) trusts them to run anything ever again.

The details of the budget are another matter entirely.

It's time for Lucas and the Acolytes to pack their bags and get out of town.
A busted flush? Lucas is a great MP. She's won a number of awards for her work in Westminster. She's one of the only voices up there that is supporting the NHS. Don't you thinks it's nice to have at least one MP in Westminster who cares about the environment and ethical issues?

And I think the Green council have been a success too. Has everybody forgotten the previous expensive shambles? Labour and the Tories had worse bin strikes, and the recent one happened due to previous administrations neglect of policy.

Why don't all the moaners have a walk around Brighton one evening this week. Yes, walk, you can do it if you try. Walk through the new Level, through the Laines, the south lanes, the beach. Do you see a ruined city? If you think these happy faces you see are part of a Green-led Communist dystopia then I really think it's time you left the city, and went on a quest to find your marbles.
Ferki you are talking out of your @rse. I have lived in Brighton for over 30 years and have seen administrations come and go. What I have not seen before is a bunch of radical toe rags with no real mandate imposing long term damage on the city. What is equally puke making is the lack of spine of the other parties. They have stood by waiting for the greens to **** up in the hope they will pick up returning votes at the next election. Cynical in the extreme. Both labour and tories should hang their heads in shame. We deserve better. @gzunder
[quote][p][bold]Fercri Sakes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Martha Gunn[/bold] wrote: Eugenius you miss the point. Caroline Lucas and the Green council are a busted flush. Nobody (except your band of deluded zealots) trusts them to run anything ever again. The details of the budget are another matter entirely. It's time for Lucas and the Acolytes to pack their bags and get out of town.[/p][/quote]A busted flush? Lucas is a great MP. She's won a number of awards for her work in Westminster. She's one of the only voices up there that is supporting the NHS. Don't you thinks it's nice to have at least one MP in Westminster who cares about the environment and ethical issues? And I think the Green council have been a success too. Has everybody forgotten the previous expensive shambles? Labour and the Tories had worse bin strikes, and the recent one happened due to previous administrations neglect of policy. Why don't all the moaners have a walk around Brighton one evening this week. Yes, walk, you can do it if you try. Walk through the new Level, through the Laines, the south lanes, the beach. Do you see a ruined city? If you think these happy faces you see are part of a Green-led Communist dystopia then I really think it's time you left the city, and went on a quest to find your marbles.[/p][/quote]Ferki you are talking out of your @rse. I have lived in Brighton for over 30 years and have seen administrations come and go. What I have not seen before is a bunch of radical toe rags with no real mandate imposing long term damage on the city. What is equally puke making is the lack of spine of the other parties. They have stood by waiting for the greens to **** up in the hope they will pick up returning votes at the next election. Cynical in the extreme. Both labour and tories should hang their heads in shame. We deserve better. @gzunder We love Red Billy
  • Score: 4

11:52am Tue 15 Jul 14

MrDavis says...

How exactly are they damaging the city Red Billy? Slowing down traffic and encouraging cycling? Like fumes & noise do you?
How exactly are they damaging the city Red Billy? Slowing down traffic and encouraging cycling? Like fumes & noise do you? MrDavis
  • Score: -13

12:28pm Tue 15 Jul 14

We love Red Billy says...

Cycling hurahhh. Ideal for those who have time to waste and little to carry. Those of us who need tools to make a living in the city need cars and vans. Damage? Take your nose out of the trough and look around. Gridlock on Lewed Rd. Footfall up in Crawley, Eastbourne and Worthing as a direct result of hikes in parking costs. Money frittered on vanity projects. I could go on all day Cllr Davey but it would take up your valuable time searching for a new job. @gzunder
Cycling hurahhh. Ideal for those who have time to waste and little to carry. Those of us who need tools to make a living in the city need cars and vans. Damage? Take your nose out of the trough and look around. Gridlock on Lewed Rd. Footfall up in Crawley, Eastbourne and Worthing as a direct result of hikes in parking costs. Money frittered on vanity projects. I could go on all day Cllr Davey but it would take up your valuable time searching for a new job. @gzunder We love Red Billy
  • Score: 5

1:18pm Tue 15 Jul 14

Fight_Back says...

We love Red Billy wrote:
Cycling hurahhh. Ideal for those who have time to waste and little to carry. Those of us who need tools to make a living in the city need cars and vans. Damage? Take your nose out of the trough and look around. Gridlock on Lewed Rd. Footfall up in Crawley, Eastbourne and Worthing as a direct result of hikes in parking costs. Money frittered on vanity projects. I could go on all day Cllr Davey but it would take up your valuable time searching for a new job. @gzunder
While I agree with you that cycling is entirely impractical if you have a load to carry it is actually faster than driving in many parts of the city so it's not for people that want to waste time. Problem is that much of the traffic congestion has been council induced - can't think why they would do that !
[quote][p][bold]We love Red Billy[/bold] wrote: Cycling hurahhh. Ideal for those who have time to waste and little to carry. Those of us who need tools to make a living in the city need cars and vans. Damage? Take your nose out of the trough and look around. Gridlock on Lewed Rd. Footfall up in Crawley, Eastbourne and Worthing as a direct result of hikes in parking costs. Money frittered on vanity projects. I could go on all day Cllr Davey but it would take up your valuable time searching for a new job. @gzunder[/p][/quote]While I agree with you that cycling is entirely impractical if you have a load to carry it is actually faster than driving in many parts of the city so it's not for people that want to waste time. Problem is that much of the traffic congestion has been council induced - can't think why they would do that ! Fight_Back
  • Score: -3

1:21pm Tue 15 Jul 14

Man of steel says...

Could anybody please tell me where the South Lanes are situated? Somewhere off the end of the West Pier I would have thought.
Could anybody please tell me where the South Lanes are situated? Somewhere off the end of the West Pier I would have thought. Man of steel
  • Score: 2

1:42pm Tue 15 Jul 14

Fight_Back says...

Man of steel wrote:
Could anybody please tell me where the South Lanes are situated? Somewhere off the end of the West Pier I would have thought.
Or indeed the Laines.
[quote][p][bold]Man of steel[/bold] wrote: Could anybody please tell me where the South Lanes are situated? Somewhere off the end of the West Pier I would have thought.[/p][/quote]Or indeed the Laines. Fight_Back
  • Score: 1

1:48pm Tue 15 Jul 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

This council has failed to deliver any of its core services to target, so why Eugenius claims the council can run a tourist attraction is beyond me.
It couldn't run a bath.
This council has failed to deliver any of its core services to target, so why Eugenius claims the council can run a tourist attraction is beyond me. It couldn't run a bath. Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: 2

3:33pm Tue 15 Jul 14

Fercri Sakes says...

We love Red Billy wrote:
Cycling hurahhh. Ideal for those who have time to waste and little to carry. Those of us who need tools to make a living in the city need cars and vans. Damage? Take your nose out of the trough and look around. Gridlock on Lewed Rd. Footfall up in Crawley, Eastbourne and Worthing as a direct result of hikes in parking costs. Money frittered on vanity projects. I could go on all day Cllr Davey but it would take up your valuable time searching for a new job. @gzunder
Can you point me to the report that shows that local economy has been suffering under The Greens? Every report I see shows that the City is busier than ever.

The Seven Dials seemed a lot more vibrant at the weekend compared with a year ago. Businesses there seemed to be doing much better with the improved roundabout.
[quote][p][bold]We love Red Billy[/bold] wrote: Cycling hurahhh. Ideal for those who have time to waste and little to carry. Those of us who need tools to make a living in the city need cars and vans. Damage? Take your nose out of the trough and look around. Gridlock on Lewed Rd. Footfall up in Crawley, Eastbourne and Worthing as a direct result of hikes in parking costs. Money frittered on vanity projects. I could go on all day Cllr Davey but it would take up your valuable time searching for a new job. @gzunder[/p][/quote]Can you point me to the report that shows that local economy has been suffering under The Greens? Every report I see shows that the City is busier than ever. The Seven Dials seemed a lot more vibrant at the weekend compared with a year ago. Businesses there seemed to be doing much better with the improved roundabout. Fercri Sakes
  • Score: 2

3:47pm Tue 15 Jul 14

We love Red Billy says...

Fercri Sakes wrote:
We love Red Billy wrote:
Cycling hurahhh. Ideal for those who have time to waste and little to carry. Those of us who need tools to make a living in the city need cars and vans. Damage? Take your nose out of the trough and look around. Gridlock on Lewed Rd. Footfall up in Crawley, Eastbourne and Worthing as a direct result of hikes in parking costs. Money frittered on vanity projects. I could go on all day Cllr Davey but it would take up your valuable time searching for a new job. @gzunder
Can you point me to the report that shows that local economy has been suffering under The Greens? Every report I see shows that the City is busier than ever.

The Seven Dials seemed a lot more vibrant at the weekend compared with a year ago. Businesses there seemed to be doing much better with the improved roundabout.
Go and speak to some business owners and see what response you get. Lovely roundabout but what about the filthy streets and recycling rates through the floor? That is Jasons epitaph. @gzunder
[quote][p][bold]Fercri Sakes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]We love Red Billy[/bold] wrote: Cycling hurahhh. Ideal for those who have time to waste and little to carry. Those of us who need tools to make a living in the city need cars and vans. Damage? Take your nose out of the trough and look around. Gridlock on Lewed Rd. Footfall up in Crawley, Eastbourne and Worthing as a direct result of hikes in parking costs. Money frittered on vanity projects. I could go on all day Cllr Davey but it would take up your valuable time searching for a new job. @gzunder[/p][/quote]Can you point me to the report that shows that local economy has been suffering under The Greens? Every report I see shows that the City is busier than ever. The Seven Dials seemed a lot more vibrant at the weekend compared with a year ago. Businesses there seemed to be doing much better with the improved roundabout.[/p][/quote]Go and speak to some business owners and see what response you get. Lovely roundabout but what about the filthy streets and recycling rates through the floor? That is Jasons epitaph. @gzunder We love Red Billy
  • Score: -1

4:38pm Tue 15 Jul 14

BNJuan says...

Greens- choose your battles more wisely!

This would never be voted through so why propose it. Just creates negative press. Focus on what you can do within the current budget plus 1.99%.

If the council needs to make cuts, look first to management rather than front line staff.
Greens- choose your battles more wisely! This would never be voted through so why propose it. Just creates negative press. Focus on what you can do within the current budget plus 1.99%. If the council needs to make cuts, look first to management rather than front line staff. BNJuan
  • Score: 0

4:41pm Tue 15 Jul 14

thevoiceoftruth says...

Eugenius wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
i360 loan isn't coming out of council tax, funding has been accessed from the national Public Work Loans Board and will be repaid by the developer with tidy interest worth £1m a year to the council, which we have earmarked for seafront repairs. The council will also receive a percentage on the ticket sales.
And who pays the loan if the developer goes bust ?
Agree that people aren't getting 6% annual pay rises, but this is a one-off rise we are talking about, after council tax having been frozen in the first year of the administration and two years at 2%. So even with 5.9% next year, council tax will have risen less than inflation during our term in office.

The lowest council tax rise under Labour's last term in office in Brighton and Hove was 4.8%, with eye watering highs of 10.9%, 12.5% and 14.5%

Council tax isn't a perfect tax system but we do provide our Council Tax Reduction Scheme which lowers the bill for around 17000 low income households.
You have claimed to have no link to the council yet here you are again, talking about "our term in office." So who are you?
[quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: i360 loan isn't coming out of council tax, funding has been accessed from the national Public Work Loans Board and will be repaid by the developer with tidy interest worth £1m a year to the council, which we have earmarked for seafront repairs. The council will also receive a percentage on the ticket sales.[/p][/quote]And who pays the loan if the developer goes bust ?[/p][/quote]Agree that people aren't getting 6% annual pay rises, but this is a one-off rise we are talking about, after council tax having been frozen in the first year of the administration and two years at 2%. So even with 5.9% next year, council tax will have risen less than inflation during our term in office. The lowest council tax rise under Labour's last term in office in Brighton and Hove was 4.8%, with eye watering highs of 10.9%, 12.5% and 14.5% Council tax isn't a perfect tax system but we do provide our Council Tax Reduction Scheme which lowers the bill for around 17000 low income households.[/p][/quote]You have claimed to have no link to the council yet here you are again, talking about "our term in office." So who are you? thevoiceoftruth
  • Score: -1

5:39pm Tue 15 Jul 14

MrDavis says...

We love Red Billy wrote:
Cycling hurahhh. Ideal for those who have time to waste and little to carry. Those of us who need tools to make a living in the city need cars and vans. Damage? Take your nose out of the trough and look around. Gridlock on Lewed Rd. Footfall up in Crawley, Eastbourne and Worthing as a direct result of hikes in parking costs. Money frittered on vanity projects. I could go on all day Cllr Davey but it would take up your valuable time searching for a new job. @gzunder
So you have to drive your van a little slower? What a shame. I also drive a van for work and find it no problem at all. Lewes Rd is better since the improvements and will be a lot better once the Vogue Gyratory work is complete.
What about when you aren't working? Do you not walk or cycle then?
More people cycling means a healthier society, which benefits us all and saves the NHS money.
[quote][p][bold]We love Red Billy[/bold] wrote: Cycling hurahhh. Ideal for those who have time to waste and little to carry. Those of us who need tools to make a living in the city need cars and vans. Damage? Take your nose out of the trough and look around. Gridlock on Lewed Rd. Footfall up in Crawley, Eastbourne and Worthing as a direct result of hikes in parking costs. Money frittered on vanity projects. I could go on all day Cllr Davey but it would take up your valuable time searching for a new job. @gzunder[/p][/quote]So you have to drive your van a little slower? What a shame. I also drive a van for work and find it no problem at all. Lewes Rd is better since the improvements and will be a lot better once the Vogue Gyratory work is complete. What about when you aren't working? Do you not walk or cycle then? More people cycling means a healthier society, which benefits us all and saves the NHS money. MrDavis
  • Score: 1

6:34pm Tue 15 Jul 14

cookie_brighton says...

Eugenius wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
i360 loan isn't coming out of council tax, funding has been accessed from the national Public Work Loans Board and will be repaid by the developer with tidy interest worth £1m a year to the council, which we have earmarked for seafront repairs. The council will also receive a percentage on the ticket sales.
And who pays the loan if the developer goes bust ?
Agree that people aren't getting 6% annual pay rises, but this is a one-off rise we are talking about, after council tax having been frozen in the first year of the administration and two years at 2%. So even with 5.9% next year, council tax will have risen less than inflation during our term in office.

The lowest council tax rise under Labour's last term in office in Brighton and Hove was 4.8%, with eye watering highs of 10.9%, 12.5% and 14.5%

Council tax isn't a perfect tax system but we do provide our Council Tax Reduction Scheme which lowers the bill for around 17000 low income households.
and allows students to pay.............noth
ing.
How can the Greens suggest a 5.9% increase to our council tax when I recall last year that Government capped any increase, by councils, of council tax to 2% ...to date I have not seen any information changing that percentage.
[quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: i360 loan isn't coming out of council tax, funding has been accessed from the national Public Work Loans Board and will be repaid by the developer with tidy interest worth £1m a year to the council, which we have earmarked for seafront repairs. The council will also receive a percentage on the ticket sales.[/p][/quote]And who pays the loan if the developer goes bust ?[/p][/quote]Agree that people aren't getting 6% annual pay rises, but this is a one-off rise we are talking about, after council tax having been frozen in the first year of the administration and two years at 2%. So even with 5.9% next year, council tax will have risen less than inflation during our term in office. The lowest council tax rise under Labour's last term in office in Brighton and Hove was 4.8%, with eye watering highs of 10.9%, 12.5% and 14.5% Council tax isn't a perfect tax system but we do provide our Council Tax Reduction Scheme which lowers the bill for around 17000 low income households.[/p][/quote]and allows students to pay.............noth ing. How can the Greens suggest a 5.9% increase to our council tax when I recall last year that Government capped any increase, by councils, of council tax to 2% ...to date I have not seen any information changing that percentage. cookie_brighton
  • Score: 0

7:18pm Tue 15 Jul 14

We love Red Billy says...

MrDavis wrote:
We love Red Billy wrote: Cycling hurahhh. Ideal for those who have time to waste and little to carry. Those of us who need tools to make a living in the city need cars and vans. Damage? Take your nose out of the trough and look around. Gridlock on Lewed Rd. Footfall up in Crawley, Eastbourne and Worthing as a direct result of hikes in parking costs. Money frittered on vanity projects. I could go on all day Cllr Davey but it would take up your valuable time searching for a new job. @gzunder
So you have to drive your van a little slower? What a shame. I also drive a van for work and find it no problem at all. Lewes Rd is better since the improvements and will be a lot better once the Vogue Gyratory work is complete. What about when you aren't working? Do you not walk or cycle then? More people cycling means a healthier society, which benefits us all and saves the NHS money.
The only shame is that you would not make such stupid assertions to my face.
[quote][p][bold]MrDavis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]We love Red Billy[/bold] wrote: Cycling hurahhh. Ideal for those who have time to waste and little to carry. Those of us who need tools to make a living in the city need cars and vans. Damage? Take your nose out of the trough and look around. Gridlock on Lewed Rd. Footfall up in Crawley, Eastbourne and Worthing as a direct result of hikes in parking costs. Money frittered on vanity projects. I could go on all day Cllr Davey but it would take up your valuable time searching for a new job. @gzunder[/p][/quote]So you have to drive your van a little slower? What a shame. I also drive a van for work and find it no problem at all. Lewes Rd is better since the improvements and will be a lot better once the Vogue Gyratory work is complete. What about when you aren't working? Do you not walk or cycle then? More people cycling means a healthier society, which benefits us all and saves the NHS money.[/p][/quote]The only shame is that you would not make such stupid assertions to my face. We love Red Billy
  • Score: -1

10:58pm Tue 15 Jul 14

wippasnapper says...

If the entire Green Councilors took a pay cut that may help raze part of the 25mill and to councillor Ollie Sykes I take it you can afford it that’s why your saying its “eminently justifiable and reasonable” but unfortunately we mere residents of B&H DOTE get paid as much as you o’ and lets not forget the benefits you get for being a B&H green councillor money you could very well do with out you snotty nosed dork thank god come next year and you and all the greens will be firmly out on you buts and only then can we truthfully sort out the mess you scumbags have dun to B&H City
If the entire Green Councilors took a pay cut that may help raze part of the 25mill and to councillor Ollie Sykes I take it you can afford it that’s why your saying its “eminently justifiable and reasonable” but unfortunately we mere residents of B&H DOTE get paid as much as you o’ and lets not forget the benefits you get for being a B&H green councillor money you could very well do with out you snotty nosed dork thank god come next year and you and all the greens will be firmly out on you buts and only then can we truthfully sort out the mess you scumbags have dun to B&H City wippasnapper
  • Score: -1

11:07pm Tue 15 Jul 14

wippasnapper says...

MrDavis wrote:
We love Red Billy wrote:
Cycling hurahhh. Ideal for those who have time to waste and little to carry. Those of us who need tools to make a living in the city need cars and vans. Damage? Take your nose out of the trough and look around. Gridlock on Lewed Rd. Footfall up in Crawley, Eastbourne and Worthing as a direct result of hikes in parking costs. Money frittered on vanity projects. I could go on all day Cllr Davey but it would take up your valuable time searching for a new job. @gzunder
So you have to drive your van a little slower? What a shame. I also drive a van for work and find it no problem at all. Lewes Rd is better since the improvements and will be a lot better once the Vogue Gyratory work is complete.
What about when you aren't working? Do you not walk or cycle then?
More people cycling means a healthier society, which benefits us all and saves the NHS money.
Woops now I’m going to have a poke at you! One not everyone can walk or cycle and let’s be honest cycling and walking around B&H will not make you healthier as your breathing in the toxic car and truck fumes that you two drive so you’re not exactly helping save the NHS any money by driving a car.
[quote][p][bold]MrDavis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]We love Red Billy[/bold] wrote: Cycling hurahhh. Ideal for those who have time to waste and little to carry. Those of us who need tools to make a living in the city need cars and vans. Damage? Take your nose out of the trough and look around. Gridlock on Lewed Rd. Footfall up in Crawley, Eastbourne and Worthing as a direct result of hikes in parking costs. Money frittered on vanity projects. I could go on all day Cllr Davey but it would take up your valuable time searching for a new job. @gzunder[/p][/quote]So you have to drive your van a little slower? What a shame. I also drive a van for work and find it no problem at all. Lewes Rd is better since the improvements and will be a lot better once the Vogue Gyratory work is complete. What about when you aren't working? Do you not walk or cycle then? More people cycling means a healthier society, which benefits us all and saves the NHS money.[/p][/quote]Woops now I’m going to have a poke at you! One not everyone can walk or cycle and let’s be honest cycling and walking around B&H will not make you healthier as your breathing in the toxic car and truck fumes that you two drive so you’re not exactly helping save the NHS any money by driving a car. wippasnapper
  • Score: -1

11:23pm Tue 15 Jul 14

Eugenius says...

wippasnapper wrote:
If the entire Green Councilors took a pay cut that may help raze part of the 25mill and to councillor Ollie Sykes I take it you can afford it that’s why your saying its “eminently justifiable and reasonable” but unfortunately we mere residents of B&H DOTE get paid as much as you o’ and lets not forget the benefits you get for being a B&H green councillor money you could very well do with out you snotty nosed dork thank god come next year and you and all the greens will be firmly out on you buts and only then can we truthfully sort out the mess you scumbags have dun to B&H City
Hardly. Standard councillor allowance is £11,500 a year. Try harder to visualise what £25,000,000 worth of cuts would mean.

Like I said, £25m is more than the annual cost of our libraries, youth services, Cityparks, the planning service, sports facilities and child protection work put together.
[quote][p][bold]wippasnapper[/bold] wrote: If the entire Green Councilors took a pay cut that may help raze part of the 25mill and to councillor Ollie Sykes I take it you can afford it that’s why your saying its “eminently justifiable and reasonable” but unfortunately we mere residents of B&H DOTE get paid as much as you o’ and lets not forget the benefits you get for being a B&H green councillor money you could very well do with out you snotty nosed dork thank god come next year and you and all the greens will be firmly out on you buts and only then can we truthfully sort out the mess you scumbags have dun to B&H City[/p][/quote]Hardly. Standard councillor allowance is £11,500 a year. Try harder to visualise what £25,000,000 worth of cuts would mean. Like I said, £25m is more than the annual cost of our libraries, youth services, Cityparks, the planning service, sports facilities and child protection work put together. Eugenius
  • Score: 0

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