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Fighting against trade proposal

The Argus: Saturday’s boxing match protested a trade deal allowing corporations to sue governments Saturday’s boxing match protested a trade deal allowing corporations to sue governments

A specially staged “boxing match” was held as a part of a protest against a major trade deal between the US and the EU.

More than 100 people turned up for the protest in the centre of Brighton on Saturday for the match, which pitched big business against citizens' rights.

The protest was supported by a coalition of several Brighton and Hove campaigning groups, including World Development Movement, Brighton and Hove Women Against the Cuts, Food Sovereignty Sussex, Frack Free Sussex, Brighton Left Unity and the Green Party.

Brighton Pavilion MP Caroline Lucas and MEP for the south east, Keith Taylor also attended.

Protestors say the proposed Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership threatens democracy, the environment and public services including the NHS.

They say it will give international corporations sweeping powers.

Mr Taylor said: “It is utterly outrageous that such a deal could enable corporations to sue governments over laws created in the public interest.”

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4:39pm Tue 15 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

"Mr Taylor said: “It is utterly outrageous that such a deal could enable corporations to sue governments over laws created in the public interest.” "

What is so outrageous about a government being held to account for its actions?

I'd have thought that Lucas would have been all for it.
"Mr Taylor said: “It is utterly outrageous that such a deal could enable corporations to sue governments over laws created in the public interest.” " What is so outrageous about a government being held to account for its actions? I'd have thought that Lucas would have been all for it. stevo!!
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7:08pm Tue 15 Jul 14

Miss Ubuntu says...

The problem is that this isn't at all about holding governments accountable. The real agenda is a massive transfer of power from democratically accountable (at least in theory) parliaments to unaccountable private corporations.

Under TTIP and many other similar trade deals profit driven corporations can sue governments over laws passed by democratically elected representatives of we the people, because these laws (e.g. environmental standards, minimum wage, food standards, labour rights) will reduce the profits of these corporations.

The arbitration courts are run by a handful of corporate lawyers who get paid by results without the possibility of appeal. There is no accountability and democracy whatsoever here.

Just to give one example, and there are many more from all over the world: Under NAFTA (the North American Free Trade Area) the Canadian government was sued by the manufacturer of a cancer causing additive in fuel for $ 250 million in “lost business opportunities and interference with trade” because it had banned the additive. Fearing that it would lose the case, the Canadian government lifted the ban, declared the additive as “safe” and paid the manufacturer $ 10 million compensation.

This means that the rights of corporations will take precedence over our right to a clean, livable environment, the right to affordable public services - and our right to any bit of democracy. All of these hard won rights are degraded as "trade irritants".

Under the banner of 'free trade,' corporate property rights are elevated above all democratic rights. Basically this is a corporate coup d'etat.

Please do some research and find out what TTIP and other deals like TISA (Trade in Services Agreement) are really about.
The problem is that this isn't at all about holding governments accountable. The real agenda is a massive transfer of power from democratically accountable (at least in theory) parliaments to unaccountable private corporations. Under TTIP and many other similar trade deals profit driven corporations can sue governments over laws passed by democratically elected representatives of we the people, because these laws (e.g. environmental standards, minimum wage, food standards, labour rights) will reduce the profits of these corporations. The arbitration courts are run by a handful of corporate lawyers who get paid by results without the possibility of appeal. There is no accountability and democracy whatsoever here. Just to give one example, and there are many more from all over the world: Under NAFTA (the North American Free Trade Area) the Canadian government was sued by the manufacturer of a cancer causing additive in fuel for $ 250 million in “lost business opportunities and interference with trade” because it had banned the additive. Fearing that it would lose the case, the Canadian government lifted the ban, declared the additive as “safe” and paid the manufacturer $ 10 million compensation. This means that the rights of corporations will take precedence over our right to a clean, livable environment, the right to affordable public services - and our right to any bit of democracy. All of these hard won rights are degraded as "trade irritants". Under the banner of 'free trade,' corporate property rights are elevated above all democratic rights. Basically this is a corporate coup d'etat. Please do some research and find out what TTIP and other deals like TISA (Trade in Services Agreement) are really about. Miss Ubuntu
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7:14pm Tue 15 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

Miss Ubuntu wrote:
The problem is that this isn't at all about holding governments accountable. The real agenda is a massive transfer of power from democratically accountable (at least in theory) parliaments to unaccountable private corporations.

Under TTIP and many other similar trade deals profit driven corporations can sue governments over laws passed by democratically elected representatives of we the people, because these laws (e.g. environmental standards, minimum wage, food standards, labour rights) will reduce the profits of these corporations.

The arbitration courts are run by a handful of corporate lawyers who get paid by results without the possibility of appeal. There is no accountability and democracy whatsoever here.

Just to give one example, and there are many more from all over the world: Under NAFTA (the North American Free Trade Area) the Canadian government was sued by the manufacturer of a cancer causing additive in fuel for $ 250 million in “lost business opportunities and interference with trade” because it had banned the additive. Fearing that it would lose the case, the Canadian government lifted the ban, declared the additive as “safe” and paid the manufacturer $ 10 million compensation.

This means that the rights of corporations will take precedence over our right to a clean, livable environment, the right to affordable public services - and our right to any bit of democracy. All of these hard won rights are degraded as "trade irritants".

Under the banner of 'free trade,' corporate property rights are elevated above all democratic rights. Basically this is a corporate coup d'etat.

Please do some research and find out what TTIP and other deals like TISA (Trade in Services Agreement) are really about.
If the Canadian government had proof that the additive caused cancer, it would not have lost the case.

We keep complaining that the "no-one is above the law" mantra doesn't operate in the real world. Surely this is one way of ensuring that governments are just as legally-bound as the rest of us.
[quote][p][bold]Miss Ubuntu[/bold] wrote: The problem is that this isn't at all about holding governments accountable. The real agenda is a massive transfer of power from democratically accountable (at least in theory) parliaments to unaccountable private corporations. Under TTIP and many other similar trade deals profit driven corporations can sue governments over laws passed by democratically elected representatives of we the people, because these laws (e.g. environmental standards, minimum wage, food standards, labour rights) will reduce the profits of these corporations. The arbitration courts are run by a handful of corporate lawyers who get paid by results without the possibility of appeal. There is no accountability and democracy whatsoever here. Just to give one example, and there are many more from all over the world: Under NAFTA (the North American Free Trade Area) the Canadian government was sued by the manufacturer of a cancer causing additive in fuel for $ 250 million in “lost business opportunities and interference with trade” because it had banned the additive. Fearing that it would lose the case, the Canadian government lifted the ban, declared the additive as “safe” and paid the manufacturer $ 10 million compensation. This means that the rights of corporations will take precedence over our right to a clean, livable environment, the right to affordable public services - and our right to any bit of democracy. All of these hard won rights are degraded as "trade irritants". Under the banner of 'free trade,' corporate property rights are elevated above all democratic rights. Basically this is a corporate coup d'etat. Please do some research and find out what TTIP and other deals like TISA (Trade in Services Agreement) are really about.[/p][/quote]If the Canadian government had proof that the additive caused cancer, it would not have lost the case. We keep complaining that the "no-one is above the law" mantra doesn't operate in the real world. Surely this is one way of ensuring that governments are just as legally-bound as the rest of us. stevo!!
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12:11pm Mon 21 Jul 14

Miss Ubuntu says...

This is not about whether there is proof that the additive causes cancer, it's about the greed of corporations that puts profits over and above any concerns for the health and wellbeing of people.

These corporations are basically writing the law, such as TTIP. National sovereignty is thrown on the garbage heap.

Here is a link with more background info on the Ethyl Corporation vs Canadian Government case.

https://www.globalpo
licy.org/component/c
ontent/article/212/4
5381.html

http://www.citizen.o
rg/trade/article_red
irect.cfm?ID=6221
This is not about whether there is proof that the additive causes cancer, it's about the greed of corporations that puts profits over and above any concerns for the health and wellbeing of people. These corporations are basically writing the law, such as TTIP. National sovereignty is thrown on the garbage heap. Here is a link with more background info on the Ethyl Corporation vs Canadian Government case. https://www.globalpo licy.org/component/c ontent/article/212/4 5381.html http://www.citizen.o rg/trade/article_red irect.cfm?ID=6221 Miss Ubuntu
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