Seven months of misery - Brighton seafront roadworks delayed again

Roadworks on Brighton seafront. Picture: Sam Stephenson

Roadworks on Brighton seafront. Picture: Sam Stephenson

First published in News Exclusive by , Reporter

WORK will not be finished on Brighton’s seafront road until November, in the third setback since the road collapsed.

Brighton and Hove City Council has revealed yet another delay for the roadworks on the A259.

The works were originally estimated to be completed within eight weeks after a support above a fire escape in the Fortune of War pub in the Kings Road Arches collapsed in April.

Council chiefs have admitted the work beneath Kings Road, which has forced the closure of part of the road at the south end of West Street, is “more complex” than originally thought.

The subsidence on the morning of April 25 led to rubble and earth pouring into the Fortune of War after workmen removed wall panelling inside.

Previous delays extended the completion date for the work until the end of July and then until the end of September.

Andrew Renaut, the council’s interim head of highways engineering and projects, who oversees structures, coastal protection and flooding, said: “I really understand people’s frustration with the length of time this project is taking.

“Unfortunately, the work is more complex thanweexpected and we are working really hard with our contractors and the property owners to design and build a safe solution.”

The November date is for completion of all work on the seafront – which will include the installation of a second contraflow on the eastbound side of Kings Road for work set to be carried out above Life Bar.A spokeswoman for the city council said: “Following the initial collapse, an investigation was undertaken of the arch in question and adjacent arches that identified other structural concerns.

“We have been working with our contractors and property owners to agree solutions on all the separate issues that have come to light.

“These individual problems relate to the existing structure and alterations that have been carried out during the life of the arches.

“Before any reconstruction can be carried out, it is essential that we ensure that the design is sufficient in the long term.”

The council assured people that once repairs are complete “these locations will stay standing and be able to operate as business premises and seafront attractions for another 120 years”.

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8:21am Wed 20 Aug 14

rogerthefish says...

It's going to be more complex than you thought if there is no one working on it.

I know someone who works in the fortunes of war and nobody has visited there for two months.

The vans parked at the site are doing work on your wasted money Brighton eye.

All in all this sums up Brighton Council, I phoned up 3 months ago about the traffic lights stopping people at the non junction there. They need covering up..but nothing done,, hang your heads in shame!
It's going to be more complex than you thought if there is no one working on it. I know someone who works in the fortunes of war and nobody has visited there for two months. The vans parked at the site are doing work on your wasted money Brighton eye. All in all this sums up Brighton Council, I phoned up 3 months ago about the traffic lights stopping people at the non junction there. They need covering up..but nothing done,, hang your heads in shame! rogerthefish
  • Score: 99

8:26am Wed 20 Aug 14

We love Red Billy says...

Frett not, any delays we suffer now are useful tools with which to beat the green morons next May. They certainly love providing ammunition.
Frett not, any delays we suffer now are useful tools with which to beat the green morons next May. They certainly love providing ammunition. We love Red Billy
  • Score: 56

8:26am Wed 20 Aug 14

rogerthefish says...

Why not do what they do in other parts of the world and place a large steel plate over the hole so the traffic can keep moving (that's the name of the game) while you scratch your heads for six months !
Why not do what they do in other parts of the world and place a large steel plate over the hole so the traffic can keep moving (that's the name of the game) while you scratch your heads for six months ! rogerthefish
  • Score: 34

8:42am Wed 20 Aug 14

Joshiman says...

Of course its more complex.More money added on to the bill taxpayers have to pay.You call a tradesman and its always mmmmmmmmmmm this needs doing that needs replacing.Is the same thing happening here,but on a larger scale?.Ever feel you have been had?.Well I think you have ?Seen a few vans but no workers.
Of course its more complex.More money added on to the bill taxpayers have to pay.You call a tradesman and its always mmmmmmmmmmm this needs doing that needs replacing.Is the same thing happening here,but on a larger scale?.Ever feel you have been had?.Well I think you have ?Seen a few vans but no workers. Joshiman
  • Score: 24

8:43am Wed 20 Aug 14

Joshiman says...

Of course its more complex."You would say that wouldnt you"
Of course its more complex."You would say that wouldnt you" Joshiman
  • Score: 16

8:46am Wed 20 Aug 14

gheese77 says...

As the Fortune of War was once part owned by Simon Kirby the Kemptown MP - can we blame the conservatives for this ?
As the Fortune of War was once part owned by Simon Kirby the Kemptown MP - can we blame the conservatives for this ? gheese77
  • Score: -28

8:56am Wed 20 Aug 14

spa301 says...

gheese77 wrote:
As the Fortune of War was once part owned by Simon Kirby the Kemptown MP - can we blame the conservatives for this ?
Standard Green policy then?
[quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: As the Fortune of War was once part owned by Simon Kirby the Kemptown MP - can we blame the conservatives for this ?[/p][/quote]Standard Green policy then? spa301
  • Score: 28

9:03am Wed 20 Aug 14

rayellerton says...

rogerthefish wrote:
Why not do what they do in other parts of the world and place a large steel plate over the hole so the traffic can keep moving (that's the name of the game) while you scratch your heads for six months !
Because it is not just a hole...it's a structural problem with the arches and the supporting masonry. Continued traffic running above that point would accelerate any possible collapse
[quote][p][bold]rogerthefish[/bold] wrote: Why not do what they do in other parts of the world and place a large steel plate over the hole so the traffic can keep moving (that's the name of the game) while you scratch your heads for six months ![/p][/quote]Because it is not just a hole...it's a structural problem with the arches and the supporting masonry. Continued traffic running above that point would accelerate any possible collapse rayellerton
  • Score: 23

9:03am Wed 20 Aug 14

Valerie Paynter says...

"Other structural problems" is code for 'serious s***e coming down the pike'.

Walk along the beach from the Alfresco area all the way to the Palace/Brighton pier and observe the deepening decline all the way. From the easternmost side of the i360 building site you begin to see in the join between the arches and the road a HUGE level of degradation and plain dereliction.

When we had our mega Monday morning electrical storm, the arches west of Alfresco were dry but for a tiny bit of dripping round doors. The newly refurbished ones from Alfresco to the i360 building site were bone dry and those east of the building site suffered varying levels of flooding. I know because I asked.

The arches /roadway from the Palace Pier to the West Pier area are in need of a massive and urgent investigation and all because Brighton Council and Brighton & Hove Council CHOSE to underfund, undervalue and just ignore the seafront over DECADES. The economic imperative has been to big up the city per se to try to make that the income generator - not the seafront. Just beggars belief
"Other structural problems" is code for 'serious s***e coming down the pike'. Walk along the beach from the Alfresco area all the way to the Palace/Brighton pier and observe the deepening decline all the way. From the easternmost side of the i360 building site you begin to see in the join between the arches and the road a HUGE level of degradation and plain dereliction. When we had our mega Monday morning electrical storm, the arches west of Alfresco were dry but for a tiny bit of dripping round doors. The newly refurbished ones from Alfresco to the i360 building site were bone dry and those east of the building site suffered varying levels of flooding. I know because I asked. The arches /roadway from the Palace Pier to the West Pier area are in need of a massive and urgent investigation and all because Brighton Council and Brighton & Hove Council CHOSE to underfund, undervalue and just ignore the seafront over DECADES. The economic imperative has been to big up the city per se to try to make that the income generator - not the seafront. Just beggars belief Valerie Paynter
  • Score: 42

9:07am Wed 20 Aug 14

Mark the cab says...

Why don't the council open up Ship street from North street while works continue.
At Present all Lanes traffic has to enter via Middle st. Causing more congestion on seafront for delivery vehicles & taxis dropping in The Lanes area?
Why don't the council open up Ship street from North street while works continue. At Present all Lanes traffic has to enter via Middle st. Causing more congestion on seafront for delivery vehicles & taxis dropping in The Lanes area? Mark the cab
  • Score: 32

9:23am Wed 20 Aug 14

her professional says...

rogerthefish wrote:
Why not do what they do in other parts of the world and place a large steel plate over the hole so the traffic can keep moving (that's the name of the game) while you scratch your heads for six months !
Why don't you volunteer your extensive civil engineering skills to the Council.
[quote][p][bold]rogerthefish[/bold] wrote: Why not do what they do in other parts of the world and place a large steel plate over the hole so the traffic can keep moving (that's the name of the game) while you scratch your heads for six months ![/p][/quote]Why don't you volunteer your extensive civil engineering skills to the Council. her professional
  • Score: -8

9:26am Wed 20 Aug 14

rogerthefish says...

rayellerton wrote:
rogerthefish wrote:
Why not do what they do in other parts of the world and place a large steel plate over the hole so the traffic can keep moving (that's the name of the game) while you scratch your heads for six months !
Because it is not just a hole...it's a structural problem with the arches and the supporting masonry. Continued traffic running above that point would accelerate any possible collapse
Plates can be made for any span, how about army bridges that can cover rivers, clearly you must work for the council with your can't do attitude, what about covering the traffic lights up then? run out of bags or not available for operational reasons?
[quote][p][bold]rayellerton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogerthefish[/bold] wrote: Why not do what they do in other parts of the world and place a large steel plate over the hole so the traffic can keep moving (that's the name of the game) while you scratch your heads for six months ![/p][/quote]Because it is not just a hole...it's a structural problem with the arches and the supporting masonry. Continued traffic running above that point would accelerate any possible collapse[/p][/quote]Plates can be made for any span, how about army bridges that can cover rivers, clearly you must work for the council with your can't do attitude, what about covering the traffic lights up then? run out of bags or not available for operational reasons? rogerthefish
  • Score: 28

9:26am Wed 20 Aug 14

worthingite says...

This story yet again...... (five front pages now)
This story yet again...... (five front pages now) worthingite
  • Score: -12

9:30am Wed 20 Aug 14

rogerthefish says...

her professional wrote:
rogerthefish wrote:
Why not do what they do in other parts of the world and place a large steel plate over the hole so the traffic can keep moving (that's the name of the game) while you scratch your heads for six months !
Why don't you volunteer your extensive civil engineering skills to the Council.
because they just don't like communicating with the public anymore, I love to read my post about the traffic lights, can still be done now...but will it?
[quote][p][bold]her professional[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogerthefish[/bold] wrote: Why not do what they do in other parts of the world and place a large steel plate over the hole so the traffic can keep moving (that's the name of the game) while you scratch your heads for six months ![/p][/quote]Why don't you volunteer your extensive civil engineering skills to the Council.[/p][/quote]because they just don't like communicating with the public anymore, I love to read my post about the traffic lights, can still be done now...but will it? rogerthefish
  • Score: 18

9:34am Wed 20 Aug 14

taz4242 says...

Incompetent useless greens !!!!
Incompetent useless greens !!!! taz4242
  • Score: 26

9:41am Wed 20 Aug 14

Morpheus says...

We love Red Billy wrote:
Frett not, any delays we suffer now are useful tools with which to beat the green morons next May. They certainly love providing ammunition.
I will be pleased to see the end of the Greens, but the fault here is the full time council staff and it will be no different after May 2015. This is the worst council in the UK and always will be until we get some competent full time staff.
[quote][p][bold]We love Red Billy[/bold] wrote: Frett not, any delays we suffer now are useful tools with which to beat the green morons next May. They certainly love providing ammunition.[/p][/quote]I will be pleased to see the end of the Greens, but the fault here is the full time council staff and it will be no different after May 2015. This is the worst council in the UK and always will be until we get some competent full time staff. Morpheus
  • Score: 33

9:49am Wed 20 Aug 14

Nosfaratu says...

The A259 is a Trunk Road and until the A27 was built was one of the main route along the South Coast.

The Maintenance and improvements that are B&H's problem have been overlooked. How many roads do you know that have caves dug out under it.
They probably need to close the road completely and totally rebuild it. It would take less time.
The A259 is a Trunk Road and until the A27 was built was one of the main route along the South Coast. The Maintenance and improvements that are B&H's problem have been overlooked. How many roads do you know that have caves dug out under it. They probably need to close the road completely and totally rebuild it. It would take less time. Nosfaratu
  • Score: 14

10:16am Wed 20 Aug 14

Craig_Futurists says...

The regenerated arches look superb and have already been occupied by traders, hopefully the eastern side will look just as good once finished. I agree with Valerie that the remaining arches right down to the Brighton Eye (not to mention the kemptown promenade) need major investment, during the summer Brighton & Hove get busier than some Mediterranean resorts and a well maintained seafront and transport system is crucial to keeping that success.
The regenerated arches look superb and have already been occupied by traders, hopefully the eastern side will look just as good once finished. I agree with Valerie that the remaining arches right down to the Brighton Eye (not to mention the kemptown promenade) need major investment, during the summer Brighton & Hove get busier than some Mediterranean resorts and a well maintained seafront and transport system is crucial to keeping that success. Craig_Futurists
  • Score: 24

10:31am Wed 20 Aug 14

theargusissoinformative says...

Valerie Paynter wrote:
"Other structural problems" is code for 'serious s***e coming down the pike'.

Walk along the beach from the Alfresco area all the way to the Palace/Brighton pier and observe the deepening decline all the way. From the easternmost side of the i360 building site you begin to see in the join between the arches and the road a HUGE level of degradation and plain dereliction.

When we had our mega Monday morning electrical storm, the arches west of Alfresco were dry but for a tiny bit of dripping round doors. The newly refurbished ones from Alfresco to the i360 building site were bone dry and those east of the building site suffered varying levels of flooding. I know because I asked.

The arches /roadway from the Palace Pier to the West Pier area are in need of a massive and urgent investigation and all because Brighton Council and Brighton & Hove Council CHOSE to underfund, undervalue and just ignore the seafront over DECADES. The economic imperative has been to big up the city per se to try to make that the income generator - not the seafront. Just beggars belief
Spot on. Try telling the other idiots that the Greens have not been in charge for decades. They really can't seem to comprehend this.
[quote][p][bold]Valerie Paynter[/bold] wrote: "Other structural problems" is code for 'serious s***e coming down the pike'. Walk along the beach from the Alfresco area all the way to the Palace/Brighton pier and observe the deepening decline all the way. From the easternmost side of the i360 building site you begin to see in the join between the arches and the road a HUGE level of degradation and plain dereliction. When we had our mega Monday morning electrical storm, the arches west of Alfresco were dry but for a tiny bit of dripping round doors. The newly refurbished ones from Alfresco to the i360 building site were bone dry and those east of the building site suffered varying levels of flooding. I know because I asked. The arches /roadway from the Palace Pier to the West Pier area are in need of a massive and urgent investigation and all because Brighton Council and Brighton & Hove Council CHOSE to underfund, undervalue and just ignore the seafront over DECADES. The economic imperative has been to big up the city per se to try to make that the income generator - not the seafront. Just beggars belief[/p][/quote]Spot on. Try telling the other idiots that the Greens have not been in charge for decades. They really can't seem to comprehend this. theargusissoinformative
  • Score: 2

10:32am Wed 20 Aug 14

theargusissoinformative says...

taz4242 wrote:
Incompetent useless greens !!!!
You don't know what you're talking about.
[quote][p][bold]taz4242[/bold] wrote: Incompetent useless greens !!!![/p][/quote]You don't know what you're talking about. theargusissoinformative
  • Score: -30

10:51am Wed 20 Aug 14

Chills says...

Everything seems to take soo long!
Why cannot the authorities just get on with it? Oh, I forgot we are anti-car, anti-motorist and anything we can do to make their lives hell is our main mission.
The Sussex Gardens task to rebuild a two foot high wall! Months
Everything seems to take soo long! Why cannot the authorities just get on with it? Oh, I forgot we are anti-car, anti-motorist and anything we can do to make their lives hell is our main mission. The Sussex Gardens task to rebuild a two foot high wall! Months Chills
  • Score: 21

11:44am Wed 20 Aug 14

brightonyorkie says...

rogerthefish wrote:
rayellerton wrote:
rogerthefish wrote:
Why not do what they do in other parts of the world and place a large steel plate over the hole so the traffic can keep moving (that's the name of the game) while you scratch your heads for six months !
Because it is not just a hole...it's a structural problem with the arches and the supporting masonry. Continued traffic running above that point would accelerate any possible collapse
Plates can be made for any span, how about army bridges that can cover rivers, clearly you must work for the council with your can't do attitude, what about covering the traffic lights up then? run out of bags or not available for operational reasons?
And what about the pedestrians that still need to cross the road on the west side of West Street? Are they supposed to just run between the endless traffic?
[quote][p][bold]rogerthefish[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rayellerton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogerthefish[/bold] wrote: Why not do what they do in other parts of the world and place a large steel plate over the hole so the traffic can keep moving (that's the name of the game) while you scratch your heads for six months ![/p][/quote]Because it is not just a hole...it's a structural problem with the arches and the supporting masonry. Continued traffic running above that point would accelerate any possible collapse[/p][/quote]Plates can be made for any span, how about army bridges that can cover rivers, clearly you must work for the council with your can't do attitude, what about covering the traffic lights up then? run out of bags or not available for operational reasons?[/p][/quote]And what about the pedestrians that still need to cross the road on the west side of West Street? Are they supposed to just run between the endless traffic? brightonyorkie
  • Score: -6

11:47am Wed 20 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

What's the betting that Eastbourne Pier is repaired before this stretch of road?
What's the betting that Eastbourne Pier is repaired before this stretch of road? notslimjim
  • Score: 19

11:49am Wed 20 Aug 14

Fozborn says...

This whole saga is like a Monty Python sketch. The department responsible for maintaining the Kings Road Arches at Brighton Council has spectacularly failed to do so. I wouldn't even say the Greens are responsible as this isn't a party political matter - a shame because I like blaming them. It's more a case of incompetence amongst council officers.
Will anybody be held to account? No of course not - they will just get an incremental pay rise and another year closer to their fat pension pots. Strangely though the way the contra flow now works doesn't actually add that much to journey times along the seafront. It's pretty terrible at the best of times anyway. The ludicrous traffic lights at the bottom of Regency Square are a disaster for traffic flow. I can only assume they were designed and subsequently programmed by someone tripping on acid.
This whole saga is like a Monty Python sketch. The department responsible for maintaining the Kings Road Arches at Brighton Council has spectacularly failed to do so. I wouldn't even say the Greens are responsible as this isn't a party political matter - a shame because I like blaming them. It's more a case of incompetence amongst council officers. Will anybody be held to account? No of course not - they will just get an incremental pay rise and another year closer to their fat pension pots. Strangely though the way the contra flow now works doesn't actually add that much to journey times along the seafront. It's pretty terrible at the best of times anyway. The ludicrous traffic lights at the bottom of Regency Square are a disaster for traffic flow. I can only assume they were designed and subsequently programmed by someone tripping on acid. Fozborn
  • Score: 13

12:08pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Kemptowngreen says...

Valerie Paynter is entirely right. This is not a party-political issue and has taken decades to get to the point we now find ourselves in. No money, no contingency and a seafront that is falling apart in front of our eyes. The key funding fault occurred decades ago when councils were stopped from setting their own rates. It is further exacerbated by a set of council officers and councillors that keep on bleating that there are no funds while the costs continue to rise. The whole thing is a sorry mess and we can expect much worse in future years.
Valerie Paynter is entirely right. This is not a party-political issue and has taken decades to get to the point we now find ourselves in. No money, no contingency and a seafront that is falling apart in front of our eyes. The key funding fault occurred decades ago when councils were stopped from setting their own rates. It is further exacerbated by a set of council officers and councillors that keep on bleating that there are no funds while the costs continue to rise. The whole thing is a sorry mess and we can expect much worse in future years. Kemptowngreen
  • Score: 11

12:11pm Wed 20 Aug 14

ThinkBrighton says...

The councillors, no matter which party are only interested in their own exorbitant expenses, and will not rock the boat in case it puts their £500 to £750 a week expenses in peril. The people of Brighton & Hove should expect more from the band of idiots who run this city, as the admin staff
know they are dealing with a bunch of fools they treat them like it, and why should a job which would sensibly take weeks, not be run out to months.
The councillors, no matter which party are only interested in their own exorbitant expenses, and will not rock the boat in case it puts their £500 to £750 a week expenses in peril. The people of Brighton & Hove should expect more from the band of idiots who run this city, as the admin staff know they are dealing with a bunch of fools they treat them like it, and why should a job which would sensibly take weeks, not be run out to months. ThinkBrighton
  • Score: 10

12:44pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Legal1974 says...

Morpheus wrote:
We love Red Billy wrote: Frett not, any delays we suffer now are useful tools with which to beat the green morons next May. They certainly love providing ammunition.
I will be pleased to see the end of the Greens, but the fault here is the full time council staff and it will be no different after May 2015. This is the worst council in the UK and always will be until we get some competent full time staff.
'competent' isn't a word I would use for local authority staff. Ever. They're more worried about their pensions and holidays
[quote][p][bold]Morpheus[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]We love Red Billy[/bold] wrote: Frett not, any delays we suffer now are useful tools with which to beat the green morons next May. They certainly love providing ammunition.[/p][/quote]I will be pleased to see the end of the Greens, but the fault here is the full time council staff and it will be no different after May 2015. This is the worst council in the UK and always will be until we get some competent full time staff.[/p][/quote]'competent' isn't a word I would use for local authority staff. Ever. They're more worried about their pensions and holidays Legal1974
  • Score: 13

1:22pm Wed 20 Aug 14

realspeak says...

Can we not put the Green administration in it and just open it up, at least they will prove their use.
Can we not put the Green administration in it and just open it up, at least they will prove their use. realspeak
  • Score: 10

1:30pm Wed 20 Aug 14

rogerthefish says...

brightonyorkie wrote:
rogerthefish wrote:
rayellerton wrote:
rogerthefish wrote:
Why not do what they do in other parts of the world and place a large steel plate over the hole so the traffic can keep moving (that's the name of the game) while you scratch your heads for six months !
Because it is not just a hole...it's a structural problem with the arches and the supporting masonry. Continued traffic running above that point would accelerate any possible collapse
Plates can be made for any span, how about army bridges that can cover rivers, clearly you must work for the council with your can't do attitude, what about covering the traffic lights up then? run out of bags or not available for operational reasons?
And what about the pedestrians that still need to cross the road on the west side of West Street? Are they supposed to just run between the endless traffic?
There's a pedestrian tunnel underneath...
[quote][p][bold]brightonyorkie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogerthefish[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rayellerton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogerthefish[/bold] wrote: Why not do what they do in other parts of the world and place a large steel plate over the hole so the traffic can keep moving (that's the name of the game) while you scratch your heads for six months ![/p][/quote]Because it is not just a hole...it's a structural problem with the arches and the supporting masonry. Continued traffic running above that point would accelerate any possible collapse[/p][/quote]Plates can be made for any span, how about army bridges that can cover rivers, clearly you must work for the council with your can't do attitude, what about covering the traffic lights up then? run out of bags or not available for operational reasons?[/p][/quote]And what about the pedestrians that still need to cross the road on the west side of West Street? Are they supposed to just run between the endless traffic?[/p][/quote]There's a pedestrian tunnel underneath... rogerthefish
  • Score: 10

1:46pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Max Ripple says...

theargusissoinformat
ive
wrote:
Valerie Paynter wrote:
"Other structural problems" is code for 'serious s***e coming down the pike'.

Walk along the beach from the Alfresco area all the way to the Palace/Brighton pier and observe the deepening decline all the way. From the easternmost side of the i360 building site you begin to see in the join between the arches and the road a HUGE level of degradation and plain dereliction.

When we had our mega Monday morning electrical storm, the arches west of Alfresco were dry but for a tiny bit of dripping round doors. The newly refurbished ones from Alfresco to the i360 building site were bone dry and those east of the building site suffered varying levels of flooding. I know because I asked.

The arches /roadway from the Palace Pier to the West Pier area are in need of a massive and urgent investigation and all because Brighton Council and Brighton & Hove Council CHOSE to underfund, undervalue and just ignore the seafront over DECADES. The economic imperative has been to big up the city per se to try to make that the income generator - not the seafront. Just beggars belief
Spot on. Try telling the other idiots that the Greens have not been in charge for decades. They really can't seem to comprehend this.
I'm sorry but the Greens have £8 million stashed away for their pet project of redeveloping the area around Victoria Gardens up to St Peters Church. They won't re-prioritise is money to look after the work that needs doing on the seafront. It won't pay for it all, obviously, but it will be a good start. If Brighton &Hove does not have a seafront and promenade you might as well pick the city up and dump it in the midlands. We owe our existence to the seafront and it's attractions. But the Greens would rather out in bus lanes and cycle paths.
[quote][p][bold]theargusissoinformat ive[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Valerie Paynter[/bold] wrote: "Other structural problems" is code for 'serious s***e coming down the pike'. Walk along the beach from the Alfresco area all the way to the Palace/Brighton pier and observe the deepening decline all the way. From the easternmost side of the i360 building site you begin to see in the join between the arches and the road a HUGE level of degradation and plain dereliction. When we had our mega Monday morning electrical storm, the arches west of Alfresco were dry but for a tiny bit of dripping round doors. The newly refurbished ones from Alfresco to the i360 building site were bone dry and those east of the building site suffered varying levels of flooding. I know because I asked. The arches /roadway from the Palace Pier to the West Pier area are in need of a massive and urgent investigation and all because Brighton Council and Brighton & Hove Council CHOSE to underfund, undervalue and just ignore the seafront over DECADES. The economic imperative has been to big up the city per se to try to make that the income generator - not the seafront. Just beggars belief[/p][/quote]Spot on. Try telling the other idiots that the Greens have not been in charge for decades. They really can't seem to comprehend this.[/p][/quote]I'm sorry but the Greens have £8 million stashed away for their pet project of redeveloping the area around Victoria Gardens up to St Peters Church. They won't re-prioritise is money to look after the work that needs doing on the seafront. It won't pay for it all, obviously, but it will be a good start. If Brighton &Hove does not have a seafront and promenade you might as well pick the city up and dump it in the midlands. We owe our existence to the seafront and it's attractions. But the Greens would rather out in bus lanes and cycle paths. Max Ripple
  • Score: 12

1:48pm Wed 20 Aug 14

brighton bluenose says...

Valerie Paynter wrote:
"Other structural problems" is code for 'serious s***e coming down the pike'.

Walk along the beach from the Alfresco area all the way to the Palace/Brighton pier and observe the deepening decline all the way. From the easternmost side of the i360 building site you begin to see in the join between the arches and the road a HUGE level of degradation and plain dereliction.

When we had our mega Monday morning electrical storm, the arches west of Alfresco were dry but for a tiny bit of dripping round doors. The newly refurbished ones from Alfresco to the i360 building site were bone dry and those east of the building site suffered varying levels of flooding. I know because I asked.

The arches /roadway from the Palace Pier to the West Pier area are in need of a massive and urgent investigation and all because Brighton Council and Brighton & Hove Council CHOSE to underfund, undervalue and just ignore the seafront over DECADES. The economic imperative has been to big up the city per se to try to make that the income generator - not the seafront. Just beggars belief
At last amongst all the moronic anti-Green bulls**t a bit of sense - it is obvious that this would be complex to find long term solutions but all the usual idiots like RogertheTrout seem to think it is dumping a bit of tarmac in a hole above the FoW!! As Valerie says these problems are due to DECADES of Tory and Labour failure to properly protect and maintain the seafront - Madeira Terraces anyone?!! - but the brain-dead moanerati want more of the same!!!! LOL - you couldn't make it up!
[quote][p][bold]Valerie Paynter[/bold] wrote: "Other structural problems" is code for 'serious s***e coming down the pike'. Walk along the beach from the Alfresco area all the way to the Palace/Brighton pier and observe the deepening decline all the way. From the easternmost side of the i360 building site you begin to see in the join between the arches and the road a HUGE level of degradation and plain dereliction. When we had our mega Monday morning electrical storm, the arches west of Alfresco were dry but for a tiny bit of dripping round doors. The newly refurbished ones from Alfresco to the i360 building site were bone dry and those east of the building site suffered varying levels of flooding. I know because I asked. The arches /roadway from the Palace Pier to the West Pier area are in need of a massive and urgent investigation and all because Brighton Council and Brighton & Hove Council CHOSE to underfund, undervalue and just ignore the seafront over DECADES. The economic imperative has been to big up the city per se to try to make that the income generator - not the seafront. Just beggars belief[/p][/quote]At last amongst all the moronic anti-Green bulls**t a bit of sense - it is obvious that this would be complex to find long term solutions but all the usual idiots like RogertheTrout seem to think it is dumping a bit of tarmac in a hole above the FoW!! As Valerie says these problems are due to DECADES of Tory and Labour failure to properly protect and maintain the seafront - Madeira Terraces anyone?!! - but the brain-dead moanerati want more of the same!!!! LOL - you couldn't make it up! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -24

1:49pm Wed 20 Aug 14

brighton bluenose says...

her professional wrote:
rogerthefish wrote:
Why not do what they do in other parts of the world and place a large steel plate over the hole so the traffic can keep moving (that's the name of the game) while you scratch your heads for six months !
Why don't you volunteer your extensive civil engineering skills to the Council.
Like it!!
[quote][p][bold]her professional[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogerthefish[/bold] wrote: Why not do what they do in other parts of the world and place a large steel plate over the hole so the traffic can keep moving (that's the name of the game) while you scratch your heads for six months ![/p][/quote]Why don't you volunteer your extensive civil engineering skills to the Council.[/p][/quote]Like it!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -10

1:55pm Wed 20 Aug 14

brighton bluenose says...

Max Ripple wrote:
theargusissoinformat

ive
wrote:
Valerie Paynter wrote:
"Other structural problems" is code for 'serious s***e coming down the pike'.

Walk along the beach from the Alfresco area all the way to the Palace/Brighton pier and observe the deepening decline all the way. From the easternmost side of the i360 building site you begin to see in the join between the arches and the road a HUGE level of degradation and plain dereliction.

When we had our mega Monday morning electrical storm, the arches west of Alfresco were dry but for a tiny bit of dripping round doors. The newly refurbished ones from Alfresco to the i360 building site were bone dry and those east of the building site suffered varying levels of flooding. I know because I asked.

The arches /roadway from the Palace Pier to the West Pier area are in need of a massive and urgent investigation and all because Brighton Council and Brighton & Hove Council CHOSE to underfund, undervalue and just ignore the seafront over DECADES. The economic imperative has been to big up the city per se to try to make that the income generator - not the seafront. Just beggars belief
Spot on. Try telling the other idiots that the Greens have not been in charge for decades. They really can't seem to comprehend this.
I'm sorry but the Greens have £8 million stashed away for their pet project of redeveloping the area around Victoria Gardens up to St Peters Church. They won't re-prioritise is money to look after the work that needs doing on the seafront. It won't pay for it all, obviously, but it will be a good start. If Brighton &Hove does not have a seafront and promenade you might as well pick the city up and dump it in the midlands. We owe our existence to the seafront and it's attractions. But the Greens would rather out in bus lanes and cycle paths.
Perhaps you want to tell us your source about this '£8million stashed away' or is it more of your usual made up drivel?!
[quote][p][bold]Max Ripple[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]theargusissoinformat ive[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Valerie Paynter[/bold] wrote: "Other structural problems" is code for 'serious s***e coming down the pike'. Walk along the beach from the Alfresco area all the way to the Palace/Brighton pier and observe the deepening decline all the way. From the easternmost side of the i360 building site you begin to see in the join between the arches and the road a HUGE level of degradation and plain dereliction. When we had our mega Monday morning electrical storm, the arches west of Alfresco were dry but for a tiny bit of dripping round doors. The newly refurbished ones from Alfresco to the i360 building site were bone dry and those east of the building site suffered varying levels of flooding. I know because I asked. The arches /roadway from the Palace Pier to the West Pier area are in need of a massive and urgent investigation and all because Brighton Council and Brighton & Hove Council CHOSE to underfund, undervalue and just ignore the seafront over DECADES. The economic imperative has been to big up the city per se to try to make that the income generator - not the seafront. Just beggars belief[/p][/quote]Spot on. Try telling the other idiots that the Greens have not been in charge for decades. They really can't seem to comprehend this.[/p][/quote]I'm sorry but the Greens have £8 million stashed away for their pet project of redeveloping the area around Victoria Gardens up to St Peters Church. They won't re-prioritise is money to look after the work that needs doing on the seafront. It won't pay for it all, obviously, but it will be a good start. If Brighton &Hove does not have a seafront and promenade you might as well pick the city up and dump it in the midlands. We owe our existence to the seafront and it's attractions. But the Greens would rather out in bus lanes and cycle paths.[/p][/quote]Perhaps you want to tell us your source about this '£8million stashed away' or is it more of your usual made up drivel?! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -15

2:09pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Joshiman says...

Ok this Council and its employees just havent the experience nor inclination to do anything apart from build cycle lanes and put up more traffic lights.If only there was one leader amongst them who would sort out the gridlock/traffic chaos.Its so simple.The seafront is a disaster.Everyone can see it.The comedians who have been given the job of sorting out traffic light sequencing and general traffic flow should be instantly sacked for gross incompetence.It doesnt take a genius to work it out.I am also really dissapointed that other parties have not got involved.They seem to just let the Greens do what they want.Dont care if its Lab/Tory/lib/indep/u
kip councillors.Do something now.!Of course its not only the seafront.Lewes Rd/The Arches/London Rd/A259 to Peacehaven its all a complete an utter traffic chaos mess.
Ok this Council and its employees just havent the experience nor inclination to do anything apart from build cycle lanes and put up more traffic lights.If only there was one leader amongst them who would sort out the gridlock/traffic chaos.Its so simple.The seafront is a disaster.Everyone can see it.The comedians who have been given the job of sorting out traffic light sequencing and general traffic flow should be instantly sacked for gross incompetence.It doesnt take a genius to work it out.I am also really dissapointed that other parties have not got involved.They seem to just let the Greens do what they want.Dont care if its Lab/Tory/lib/indep/u kip councillors.Do something now.!Of course its not only the seafront.Lewes Rd/The Arches/London Rd/A259 to Peacehaven its all a complete an utter traffic chaos mess. Joshiman
  • Score: 16

2:15pm Wed 20 Aug 14

ThinkBrighton says...

Joshiman wrote:
Ok this Council and its employees just havent the experience nor inclination to do anything apart from build cycle lanes and put up more traffic lights.If only there was one leader amongst them who would sort out the gridlock/traffic chaos.Its so simple.The seafront is a disaster.Everyone can see it.The comedians who have been given the job of sorting out traffic light sequencing and general traffic flow should be instantly sacked for gross incompetence.It doesnt take a genius to work it out.I am also really dissapointed that other parties have not got involved.They seem to just let the Greens do what they want.Dont care if its Lab/Tory/lib/indep/u

kip councillors.Do something now.!Of course its not only the seafront.Lewes Rd/The Arches/London Rd/A259 to Peacehaven its all a complete an utter traffic chaos mess.
Watch what you say or our lovely council will do a little more traffic calming
and really ball5 the city up.
[quote][p][bold]Joshiman[/bold] wrote: Ok this Council and its employees just havent the experience nor inclination to do anything apart from build cycle lanes and put up more traffic lights.If only there was one leader amongst them who would sort out the gridlock/traffic chaos.Its so simple.The seafront is a disaster.Everyone can see it.The comedians who have been given the job of sorting out traffic light sequencing and general traffic flow should be instantly sacked for gross incompetence.It doesnt take a genius to work it out.I am also really dissapointed that other parties have not got involved.They seem to just let the Greens do what they want.Dont care if its Lab/Tory/lib/indep/u kip councillors.Do something now.!Of course its not only the seafront.Lewes Rd/The Arches/London Rd/A259 to Peacehaven its all a complete an utter traffic chaos mess.[/p][/quote]Watch what you say or our lovely council will do a little more traffic calming and really ball5 the city up. ThinkBrighton
  • Score: 8

2:19pm Wed 20 Aug 14

paul76 says...

rogerthefish wrote:
brightonyorkie wrote:
rogerthefish wrote:
rayellerton wrote:
rogerthefish wrote: Why not do what they do in other parts of the world and place a large steel plate over the hole so the traffic can keep moving (that's the name of the game) while you scratch your heads for six months !
Because it is not just a hole...it's a structural problem with the arches and the supporting masonry. Continued traffic running above that point would accelerate any possible collapse
Plates can be made for any span, how about army bridges that can cover rivers, clearly you must work for the council with your can't do attitude, what about covering the traffic lights up then? run out of bags or not available for operational reasons?
And what about the pedestrians that still need to cross the road on the west side of West Street? Are they supposed to just run between the endless traffic?
There's a pedestrian tunnel underneath...
Exactly! I posted that on a previous story about this issue. There are pedestrian crossings probably 300 metres in either direction from the bottom of West Street, and a perfectly good subway under the road directly beneth the surface crossing.

No need at all to keep traffic lights / pedestrian lights at that point operational until the hole is plugged.
[quote][p][bold]rogerthefish[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brightonyorkie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogerthefish[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rayellerton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogerthefish[/bold] wrote: Why not do what they do in other parts of the world and place a large steel plate over the hole so the traffic can keep moving (that's the name of the game) while you scratch your heads for six months ![/p][/quote]Because it is not just a hole...it's a structural problem with the arches and the supporting masonry. Continued traffic running above that point would accelerate any possible collapse[/p][/quote]Plates can be made for any span, how about army bridges that can cover rivers, clearly you must work for the council with your can't do attitude, what about covering the traffic lights up then? run out of bags or not available for operational reasons?[/p][/quote]And what about the pedestrians that still need to cross the road on the west side of West Street? Are they supposed to just run between the endless traffic?[/p][/quote]There's a pedestrian tunnel underneath...[/p][/quote]Exactly! I posted that on a previous story about this issue. There are pedestrian crossings probably 300 metres in either direction from the bottom of West Street, and a perfectly good subway under the road directly beneth the surface crossing. No need at all to keep traffic lights / pedestrian lights at that point operational until the hole is plugged. paul76
  • Score: 7

2:40pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Quiterie says...

The problem here seems to be the initial 8 week estimate provided by the Council. This has turned out to be wildly optimistic and unrealistic. As it happens I know the Council Officer mentioned in the report and you couldn't wish to meet a nicer bloke, and he is very optimistic and upbeat about pretty much everything. Unfortunately on this occasion it would have been far better to have been more realistic and told people it would take months and months. That way people's expectations would have been better managed.
The problem here seems to be the initial 8 week estimate provided by the Council. This has turned out to be wildly optimistic and unrealistic. As it happens I know the Council Officer mentioned in the report and you couldn't wish to meet a nicer bloke, and he is very optimistic and upbeat about pretty much everything. Unfortunately on this occasion it would have been far better to have been more realistic and told people it would take months and months. That way people's expectations would have been better managed. Quiterie
  • Score: 7

2:52pm Wed 20 Aug 14

taman says...

The Grand Hotel was rebuilt quicker then this
The Grand Hotel was rebuilt quicker then this taman
  • Score: 7

3:07pm Wed 20 Aug 14

djdavewow says...

Only November? Well I suppose that's what happens when the whole area at the bottom of west street is being used as a car park and no one is even doing any work on it. Why don't the council just pretend its a cycle path for no one to ever use I'm sure they would get it done then!!
Only November? Well I suppose that's what happens when the whole area at the bottom of west street is being used as a car park and no one is even doing any work on it. Why don't the council just pretend its a cycle path for no one to ever use I'm sure they would get it done then!! djdavewow
  • Score: 11

4:22pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Cyril Bolleaux says...

Come on you Green sycophants like brighton brownnose - where is Councillor Davey? He is normally rentaquote on traffic issues.
Come on you Green sycophants like brighton brownnose - where is Councillor Davey? He is normally rentaquote on traffic issues. Cyril Bolleaux
  • Score: 9

4:26pm Wed 20 Aug 14

brighton bluenose says...

Quiterie wrote:
The problem here seems to be the initial 8 week estimate provided by the Council. This has turned out to be wildly optimistic and unrealistic. As it happens I know the Council Officer mentioned in the report and you couldn't wish to meet a nicer bloke, and he is very optimistic and upbeat about pretty much everything. Unfortunately on this occasion it would have been far better to have been more realistic and told people it would take months and months. That way people's expectations would have been better managed.
You would have whinged whatever they said!!!
[quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: The problem here seems to be the initial 8 week estimate provided by the Council. This has turned out to be wildly optimistic and unrealistic. As it happens I know the Council Officer mentioned in the report and you couldn't wish to meet a nicer bloke, and he is very optimistic and upbeat about pretty much everything. Unfortunately on this occasion it would have been far better to have been more realistic and told people it would take months and months. That way people's expectations would have been better managed.[/p][/quote]You would have whinged whatever they said!!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -7

4:28pm Wed 20 Aug 14

brighton bluenose says...

Cyril Bolleaux wrote:
Come on you Green sycophants like brighton brownnose - where is Councillor Davey? He is normally rentaquote on traffic issues.
I'm far from a sycophant - just someone with a sense of reality unlike half of the posters on the Argue forums!!
[quote][p][bold]Cyril Bolleaux[/bold] wrote: Come on you Green sycophants like brighton brownnose - where is Councillor Davey? He is normally rentaquote on traffic issues.[/p][/quote]I'm far from a sycophant - just someone with a sense of reality unlike half of the posters on the Argue forums!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -10

4:38pm Wed 20 Aug 14

upsidedowntuctuc says...

Maybe they could divert the man with the shovel occasionally working on Edward St or the one with the white paint for the 20mph signs everyone ignores!
Truth is the more congestion the more not only the Green Junta and Davey love it but the pen pushers with non jobs within the Council as well
Maybe they could divert the man with the shovel occasionally working on Edward St or the one with the white paint for the 20mph signs everyone ignores! Truth is the more congestion the more not only the Green Junta and Davey love it but the pen pushers with non jobs within the Council as well upsidedowntuctuc
  • Score: 8

4:40pm Wed 20 Aug 14

P.Dant says...

Get the i360 people to fill this complex hole.We want something for our money.
Get the i360 people to fill this complex hole.We want something for our money. P.Dant
  • Score: 5

4:52pm Wed 20 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
Cyril Bolleaux wrote:
Come on you Green sycophants like brighton brownnose - where is Councillor Davey? He is normally rentaquote on traffic issues.
I'm far from a sycophant - just someone with a sense of reality unlike half of the posters on the Argue forums!!
^^^^ Joke Of The Day^^^^^
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyril Bolleaux[/bold] wrote: Come on you Green sycophants like brighton brownnose - where is Councillor Davey? He is normally rentaquote on traffic issues.[/p][/quote]I'm far from a sycophant - just someone with a sense of reality unlike half of the posters on the Argue forums!![/p][/quote]^^^^ Joke Of The Day^^^^^ notslimjim
  • Score: 5

5:01pm Wed 20 Aug 14

76robmac says...

They should get people who know what their doing to get this work done .In Spain a motorway would have been built in this time
They should get people who know what their doing to get this work done .In Spain a motorway would have been built in this time 76robmac
  • Score: 1

5:16pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Fairfax Aches says...

i think dat we shud not of alowed all of dem trafic lites since it cosed congection and hav just worsend all of the road dat is the mane problem clear for u to see just fixd dem up for cars and bus travelors.
i think dat we shud not of alowed all of dem trafic lites since it cosed congection and hav just worsend all of the road dat is the mane problem clear for u to see just fixd dem up for cars and bus travelors. Fairfax Aches
  • Score: -13

6:19pm Wed 20 Aug 14

brighton bluenose says...

notslimjim wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
Cyril Bolleaux wrote:
Come on you Green sycophants like brighton brownnose - where is Councillor Davey? He is normally rentaquote on traffic issues.
I'm far from a sycophant - just someone with a sense of reality unlike half of the posters on the Argue forums!!
^^^^ Joke Of The Day^^^^^
You rather prove my point notslimjim/Stevo!!
[quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyril Bolleaux[/bold] wrote: Come on you Green sycophants like brighton brownnose - where is Councillor Davey? He is normally rentaquote on traffic issues.[/p][/quote]I'm far from a sycophant - just someone with a sense of reality unlike half of the posters on the Argue forums!![/p][/quote]^^^^ Joke Of The Day^^^^^[/p][/quote]You rather prove my point notslimjim/Stevo!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -8

6:20pm Wed 20 Aug 14

brighton bluenose says...

76robmac wrote:
They should get people who know what their doing to get this work done .In Spain a motorway would have been built in this time
Zzzzzzzzzzzzz
[quote][p][bold]76robmac[/bold] wrote: They should get people who know what their doing to get this work done .In Spain a motorway would have been built in this time[/p][/quote]Zzzzzzzzzzzzz brighton bluenose
  • Score: -8

6:21pm Wed 20 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
Cyril Bolleaux wrote:
Come on you Green sycophants like brighton brownnose - where is Councillor Davey? He is normally rentaquote on traffic issues.
I'm far from a sycophant - just someone with a sense of reality unlike half of the posters on the Argue forums!!
^^^^ Joke Of The Day^^^^^
You rather prove my point notslimjim/Stevo!!
Seeing as you cannot even make your mind up which poster you're responding to OR get a holiday destination correct after being told the correct one, I can state with accuracy and proof that you don't know what you're talking about.......on many topics.
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyril Bolleaux[/bold] wrote: Come on you Green sycophants like brighton brownnose - where is Councillor Davey? He is normally rentaquote on traffic issues.[/p][/quote]I'm far from a sycophant - just someone with a sense of reality unlike half of the posters on the Argue forums!![/p][/quote]^^^^ Joke Of The Day^^^^^[/p][/quote]You rather prove my point notslimjim/Stevo!![/p][/quote]Seeing as you cannot even make your mind up which poster you're responding to OR get a holiday destination correct after being told the correct one, I can state with accuracy and proof that you don't know what you're talking about.......on many topics. notslimjim
  • Score: 2

6:24pm Wed 20 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
Cyril Bolleaux wrote:
Come on you Green sycophants like brighton brownnose - where is Councillor Davey? He is normally rentaquote on traffic issues.
I'm far from a sycophant - just someone with a sense of reality unlike half of the posters on the Argue forums!!
^^^^ Joke Of The Day^^^^^
You rather prove my point notslimjim/Stevo!!
You claimed stevo had gone to Turkey.

Stevo claims to have gone to Spain, not Turkey

http://m.theargus.co

.uk/news/11344300.He

atwave_health_warnin

g_for_Sussex/?ref=mp


We can see who the turkey is here, lol

How stupid do you feel now?
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyril Bolleaux[/bold] wrote: Come on you Green sycophants like brighton brownnose - where is Councillor Davey? He is normally rentaquote on traffic issues.[/p][/quote]I'm far from a sycophant - just someone with a sense of reality unlike half of the posters on the Argue forums!![/p][/quote]^^^^ Joke Of The Day^^^^^[/p][/quote]You rather prove my point notslimjim/Stevo!![/p][/quote]You claimed stevo had gone to Turkey. Stevo claims to have gone to Spain, not Turkey http://m.theargus.co .uk/news/11344300.He atwave_health_warnin g_for_Sussex/?ref=mp We can see who the turkey is here, lol How stupid do you feel now? notslimjim
  • Score: -2

6:32pm Wed 20 Aug 14

brighton bluenose says...

notslimjim wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
Cyril Bolleaux wrote:
Come on you Green sycophants like brighton brownnose - where is Councillor Davey? He is normally rentaquote on traffic issues.
I'm far from a sycophant - just someone with a sense of reality unlike half of the posters on the Argue forums!!
^^^^ Joke Of The Day^^^^^
You rather prove my point notslimjim/Stevo!!
You claimed stevo had gone to Turkey.

Stevo claims to have gone to Spain, not Turkey

http://m.theargus.co


.uk/news/11344300.He


atwave_health_warnin


g_for_Sussex/?ref=mp



We can see who the turkey is here, lol

How stupid do you feel now?
I'm not sure what you're on about but I'm pretty sure it has nothing to do with me!!
[quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyril Bolleaux[/bold] wrote: Come on you Green sycophants like brighton brownnose - where is Councillor Davey? He is normally rentaquote on traffic issues.[/p][/quote]I'm far from a sycophant - just someone with a sense of reality unlike half of the posters on the Argue forums!![/p][/quote]^^^^ Joke Of The Day^^^^^[/p][/quote]You rather prove my point notslimjim/Stevo!![/p][/quote]You claimed stevo had gone to Turkey. Stevo claims to have gone to Spain, not Turkey http://m.theargus.co .uk/news/11344300.He atwave_health_warnin g_for_Sussex/?ref=mp We can see who the turkey is here, lol How stupid do you feel now?[/p][/quote]I'm not sure what you're on about but I'm pretty sure it has nothing to do with me!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -2

6:36pm Wed 20 Aug 14

brighton bluenose says...

notslimjim wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
Cyril Bolleaux wrote:
Come on you Green sycophants like brighton brownnose - where is Councillor Davey? He is normally rentaquote on traffic issues.
I'm far from a sycophant - just someone with a sense of reality unlike half of the posters on the Argue forums!!
^^^^ Joke Of The Day^^^^^
You rather prove my point notslimjim/Stevo!!
You claimed stevo had gone to Turkey.

Stevo claims to have gone to Spain, not Turkey

http://m.theargus.co


.uk/news/11344300.He


atwave_health_warnin


g_for_Sussex/?ref=mp



We can see who the turkey is here, lol

How stupid do you feel now?
I'm not sure what you're on about but I'm pretty sure it has nothing to do with me!!
[quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyril Bolleaux[/bold] wrote: Come on you Green sycophants like brighton brownnose - where is Councillor Davey? He is normally rentaquote on traffic issues.[/p][/quote]I'm far from a sycophant - just someone with a sense of reality unlike half of the posters on the Argue forums!![/p][/quote]^^^^ Joke Of The Day^^^^^[/p][/quote]You rather prove my point notslimjim/Stevo!![/p][/quote]You claimed stevo had gone to Turkey. Stevo claims to have gone to Spain, not Turkey http://m.theargus.co .uk/news/11344300.He atwave_health_warnin g_for_Sussex/?ref=mp We can see who the turkey is here, lol How stupid do you feel now?[/p][/quote]I'm not sure what you're on about but I'm pretty sure it has nothing to do with me!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -4

6:36pm Wed 20 Aug 14

brighton bluenose says...

notslimjim wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
Cyril Bolleaux wrote:
Come on you Green sycophants like brighton brownnose - where is Councillor Davey? He is normally rentaquote on traffic issues.
I'm far from a sycophant - just someone with a sense of reality unlike half of the posters on the Argue forums!!
^^^^ Joke Of The Day^^^^^
You rather prove my point notslimjim/Stevo!!
You claimed stevo had gone to Turkey.

Stevo claims to have gone to Spain, not Turkey

http://m.theargus.co


.uk/news/11344300.He


atwave_health_warnin


g_for_Sussex/?ref=mp



We can see who the turkey is here, lol

How stupid do you feel now?
I'm not sure what you're on about but I'm pretty sure it has nothing to do with me!!
[quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyril Bolleaux[/bold] wrote: Come on you Green sycophants like brighton brownnose - where is Councillor Davey? He is normally rentaquote on traffic issues.[/p][/quote]I'm far from a sycophant - just someone with a sense of reality unlike half of the posters on the Argue forums!![/p][/quote]^^^^ Joke Of The Day^^^^^[/p][/quote]You rather prove my point notslimjim/Stevo!![/p][/quote]You claimed stevo had gone to Turkey. Stevo claims to have gone to Spain, not Turkey http://m.theargus.co .uk/news/11344300.He atwave_health_warnin g_for_Sussex/?ref=mp We can see who the turkey is here, lol How stupid do you feel now?[/p][/quote]I'm not sure what you're on about but I'm pretty sure it has nothing to do with me!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -5

6:43pm Wed 20 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
Cyril Bolleaux wrote:
Come on you Green sycophants like brighton brownnose - where is Councillor Davey? He is normally rentaquote on traffic issues.
I'm far from a sycophant - just someone with a sense of reality unlike half of the posters on the Argue forums!!
^^^^ Joke Of The Day^^^^^
You rather prove my point notslimjim/Stevo!!
You claimed stevo had gone to Turkey.

Stevo claims to have gone to Spain, not Turkey

http://m.theargus.co



.uk/news/11344300.He



atwave_health_warnin



g_for_Sussex/?ref=mp




We can see who the turkey is here, lol

How stupid do you feel now?
I'm not sure what you're on about but I'm pretty sure it has nothing to do with me!!
I appear to be mixing my idiots up.
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyril Bolleaux[/bold] wrote: Come on you Green sycophants like brighton brownnose - where is Councillor Davey? He is normally rentaquote on traffic issues.[/p][/quote]I'm far from a sycophant - just someone with a sense of reality unlike half of the posters on the Argue forums!![/p][/quote]^^^^ Joke Of The Day^^^^^[/p][/quote]You rather prove my point notslimjim/Stevo!![/p][/quote]You claimed stevo had gone to Turkey. Stevo claims to have gone to Spain, not Turkey http://m.theargus.co .uk/news/11344300.He atwave_health_warnin g_for_Sussex/?ref=mp We can see who the turkey is here, lol How stupid do you feel now?[/p][/quote]I'm not sure what you're on about but I'm pretty sure it has nothing to do with me!![/p][/quote]I appear to be mixing my idiots up. notslimjim
  • Score: 1

7:34pm Wed 20 Aug 14

PETE OF QUEENS PARK says...

rogerthefish wrote:
Why not do what they do in other parts of the world and place a large steel plate over the hole so the traffic can keep moving (that's the name of the game) while you scratch your heads for six months !
I do not know about scratching there heads because it seems their brains are in their arises.
[quote][p][bold]rogerthefish[/bold] wrote: Why not do what they do in other parts of the world and place a large steel plate over the hole so the traffic can keep moving (that's the name of the game) while you scratch your heads for six months ![/p][/quote]I do not know about scratching there heads because it seems their brains are in their arises. PETE OF QUEENS PARK
  • Score: 2

7:34pm Wed 20 Aug 14

PETE OF QUEENS PARK says...

rogerthefish wrote:
Why not do what they do in other parts of the world and place a large steel plate over the hole so the traffic can keep moving (that's the name of the game) while you scratch your heads for six months !
I do not know about scratching there heads because it seems their brains are in their arises.
[quote][p][bold]rogerthefish[/bold] wrote: Why not do what they do in other parts of the world and place a large steel plate over the hole so the traffic can keep moving (that's the name of the game) while you scratch your heads for six months ![/p][/quote]I do not know about scratching there heads because it seems their brains are in their arises. PETE OF QUEENS PARK
  • Score: 2

7:52pm Wed 20 Aug 14

rayellerton says...

The technical reason that a simple solution like a steel plate would not work is because the roadway is built on a viaduct of brick and bridging the hole would still apply loads to the crumbling supporting piers....and I dont have a side in this...
The technical reason that a simple solution like a steel plate would not work is because the roadway is built on a viaduct of brick and bridging the hole would still apply loads to the crumbling supporting piers....and I dont have a side in this... rayellerton
  • Score: 6

7:57pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Gribbet says...

History will remember our heroic, hard-working Brighton motorists as one of the most persecuted, socially disadvantaged and oppressed social groups in the history of the world.
History will remember our heroic, hard-working Brighton motorists as one of the most persecuted, socially disadvantaged and oppressed social groups in the history of the world. Gribbet
  • Score: 1

8:40pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Quiterie says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
Quiterie wrote:
The problem here seems to be the initial 8 week estimate provided by the Council. This has turned out to be wildly optimistic and unrealistic. As it happens I know the Council Officer mentioned in the report and you couldn't wish to meet a nicer bloke, and he is very optimistic and upbeat about pretty much everything. Unfortunately on this occasion it would have been far better to have been more realistic and told people it would take months and months. That way people's expectations would have been better managed.
You would have whinged whatever they said!!!
Fair point. Well made.
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: The problem here seems to be the initial 8 week estimate provided by the Council. This has turned out to be wildly optimistic and unrealistic. As it happens I know the Council Officer mentioned in the report and you couldn't wish to meet a nicer bloke, and he is very optimistic and upbeat about pretty much everything. Unfortunately on this occasion it would have been far better to have been more realistic and told people it would take months and months. That way people's expectations would have been better managed.[/p][/quote]You would have whinged whatever they said!!![/p][/quote]Fair point. Well made. Quiterie
  • Score: 4

8:44pm Wed 20 Aug 14

brighton bluenose says...

Quiterie wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
Quiterie wrote:
The problem here seems to be the initial 8 week estimate provided by the Council. This has turned out to be wildly optimistic and unrealistic. As it happens I know the Council Officer mentioned in the report and you couldn't wish to meet a nicer bloke, and he is very optimistic and upbeat about pretty much everything. Unfortunately on this occasion it would have been far better to have been more realistic and told people it would take months and months. That way people's expectations would have been better managed.
You would have whinged whatever they said!!!
Fair point. Well made.
Ha ha ha made me chuckle!!
[quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: The problem here seems to be the initial 8 week estimate provided by the Council. This has turned out to be wildly optimistic and unrealistic. As it happens I know the Council Officer mentioned in the report and you couldn't wish to meet a nicer bloke, and he is very optimistic and upbeat about pretty much everything. Unfortunately on this occasion it would have been far better to have been more realistic and told people it would take months and months. That way people's expectations would have been better managed.[/p][/quote]You would have whinged whatever they said!!![/p][/quote]Fair point. Well made.[/p][/quote]Ha ha ha made me chuckle!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: 0

8:47pm Wed 20 Aug 14

brighton bluenose says...

notslimjim wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
Cyril Bolleaux wrote:
Come on you Green sycophants like brighton brownnose - where is Councillor Davey? He is normally rentaquote on traffic issues.
I'm far from a sycophant - just someone with a sense of reality unlike half of the posters on the Argue forums!!
^^^^ Joke Of The Day^^^^^
You rather prove my point notslimjim/Stevo!!
You claimed stevo had gone to Turkey.

Stevo claims to have gone to Spain, not Turkey

http://m.theargus.co




.uk/news/11344300.He




atwave_health_warnin




g_for_Sussex/?ref=mp





We can see who the turkey is here, lol

How stupid do you feel now?
I'm not sure what you're on about but I'm pretty sure it has nothing to do with me!!
I appear to be mixing my idiots up.
Stevo!! It is perfectly clear to all that you are totally MIXED-UP!!
[quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyril Bolleaux[/bold] wrote: Come on you Green sycophants like brighton brownnose - where is Councillor Davey? He is normally rentaquote on traffic issues.[/p][/quote]I'm far from a sycophant - just someone with a sense of reality unlike half of the posters on the Argue forums!![/p][/quote]^^^^ Joke Of The Day^^^^^[/p][/quote]You rather prove my point notslimjim/Stevo!![/p][/quote]You claimed stevo had gone to Turkey. Stevo claims to have gone to Spain, not Turkey http://m.theargus.co .uk/news/11344300.He atwave_health_warnin g_for_Sussex/?ref=mp We can see who the turkey is here, lol How stupid do you feel now?[/p][/quote]I'm not sure what you're on about but I'm pretty sure it has nothing to do with me!![/p][/quote]I appear to be mixing my idiots up.[/p][/quote]Stevo!! It is perfectly clear to all that you are totally MIXED-UP!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -2

8:59pm Wed 20 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
Cyril Bolleaux wrote:
Come on you Green sycophants like brighton brownnose - where is Councillor Davey? He is normally rentaquote on traffic issues.
I'm far from a sycophant - just someone with a sense of reality unlike half of the posters on the Argue forums!!
^^^^ Joke Of The Day^^^^^
You rather prove my point notslimjim/Stevo!!
You claimed stevo had gone to Turkey.

Stevo claims to have gone to Spain, not Turkey

http://m.theargus.co





.uk/news/11344300.He





atwave_health_warnin





g_for_Sussex/?ref=mp






We can see who the turkey is here, lol

How stupid do you feel now?
I'm not sure what you're on about but I'm pretty sure it has nothing to do with me!!
I appear to be mixing my idiots up.
Stevo!! It is perfectly clear to all that you are totally MIXED-UP!!
At least you accept that you're one of the idiots.
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyril Bolleaux[/bold] wrote: Come on you Green sycophants like brighton brownnose - where is Councillor Davey? He is normally rentaquote on traffic issues.[/p][/quote]I'm far from a sycophant - just someone with a sense of reality unlike half of the posters on the Argue forums!![/p][/quote]^^^^ Joke Of The Day^^^^^[/p][/quote]You rather prove my point notslimjim/Stevo!![/p][/quote]You claimed stevo had gone to Turkey. Stevo claims to have gone to Spain, not Turkey http://m.theargus.co .uk/news/11344300.He atwave_health_warnin g_for_Sussex/?ref=mp We can see who the turkey is here, lol How stupid do you feel now?[/p][/quote]I'm not sure what you're on about but I'm pretty sure it has nothing to do with me!![/p][/quote]I appear to be mixing my idiots up.[/p][/quote]Stevo!! It is perfectly clear to all that you are totally MIXED-UP!![/p][/quote]At least you accept that you're one of the idiots. notslimjim
  • Score: 1

4:50am Thu 21 Aug 14

Valentinian says...

Does it really matter when Worthing is just down the road?
Does it really matter when Worthing is just down the road? Valentinian
  • Score: 0

7:12am Thu 21 Aug 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

Valerie is correct. There are serious structural issues with the Victorian arches which sit under the road, the hole above the Fortune of War was purely a hole caused by the continued failure of the integrity of the structures. The same problem exists in North Street, exacerbated by the number and weight of buses using the route.
However, if the i360 had gone to private enterprise and there had been appetite for such a project, the council could have entered a Section 106 agreement and the developer of the project could have contributed to some improvement work of the road and arches.
Instead the council has handed the liability for the cost of repairing the road, the arches and the building of the i360 to us taxpayers.
And please note some of the councillors who voted for this are not standing at the next election.
Valerie is correct. There are serious structural issues with the Victorian arches which sit under the road, the hole above the Fortune of War was purely a hole caused by the continued failure of the integrity of the structures. The same problem exists in North Street, exacerbated by the number and weight of buses using the route. However, if the i360 had gone to private enterprise and there had been appetite for such a project, the council could have entered a Section 106 agreement and the developer of the project could have contributed to some improvement work of the road and arches. Instead the council has handed the liability for the cost of repairing the road, the arches and the building of the i360 to us taxpayers. And please note some of the councillors who voted for this are not standing at the next election. Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: 6

9:16am Thu 21 Aug 14

brighton bluenose says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Valerie is correct. There are serious structural issues with the Victorian arches which sit under the road, the hole above the Fortune of War was purely a hole caused by the continued failure of the integrity of the structures. The same problem exists in North Street, exacerbated by the number and weight of buses using the route.
However, if the i360 had gone to private enterprise and there had been appetite for such a project, the council could have entered a Section 106 agreement and the developer of the project could have contributed to some improvement work of the road and arches.
Instead the council has handed the liability for the cost of repairing the road, the arches and the building of the i360 to us taxpayers.
And please note some of the councillors who voted for this are not standing at the next election.
Errrrrr..........the i360 HAS gone to 'private enterprise' albeit partly-funded by a council-backed loan!
The cost plan for the i360 would have been sorted well before the hole above the FoW appeared and therefore would not be part of any S.106 agreement - whether we like it or not the cost liability for the remedial works to the arches and the A259 will fall squarely on the shoulders of the local council tax-payer!
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Valerie is correct. There are serious structural issues with the Victorian arches which sit under the road, the hole above the Fortune of War was purely a hole caused by the continued failure of the integrity of the structures. The same problem exists in North Street, exacerbated by the number and weight of buses using the route. However, if the i360 had gone to private enterprise and there had been appetite for such a project, the council could have entered a Section 106 agreement and the developer of the project could have contributed to some improvement work of the road and arches. Instead the council has handed the liability for the cost of repairing the road, the arches and the building of the i360 to us taxpayers. And please note some of the councillors who voted for this are not standing at the next election.[/p][/quote]Errrrrr..........the i360 HAS gone to 'private enterprise' albeit partly-funded by a council-backed loan! The cost plan for the i360 would have been sorted well before the hole above the FoW appeared and therefore would not be part of any S.106 agreement - whether we like it or not the cost liability for the remedial works to the arches and the A259 will fall squarely on the shoulders of the local council tax-payer! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -1

10:46am Thu 21 Aug 14

theargusissoinformative says...

Gribbet wrote:
History will remember our heroic, hard-working Brighton motorists as one of the most persecuted, socially disadvantaged and oppressed social groups in the history of the world.
What narcissistic satire.
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: History will remember our heroic, hard-working Brighton motorists as one of the most persecuted, socially disadvantaged and oppressed social groups in the history of the world.[/p][/quote]What narcissistic satire. theargusissoinformative
  • Score: -1

10:46am Thu 21 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

"Errrrrr..........th
e i360 HAS gone to 'private enterprise' albeit partly-funded by a council-backed loan! "

So bluenose accepts that the public contributed to the coffers of a private company.

The figure in question appears to be £36.2 million. Wouldn't that have been better spent elsewhere, like....er.....on the road nearby?
"Errrrrr..........th e i360 HAS gone to 'private enterprise' albeit partly-funded by a council-backed loan! " So bluenose accepts that the public contributed to the coffers of a private company. The figure in question appears to be £36.2 million. Wouldn't that have been better spent elsewhere, like....er.....on the road nearby? notslimjim
  • Score: 0

2:52pm Thu 21 Aug 14

Diggers' says...

Valerie Paynter wrote:
"Other structural problems" is code for 'serious s***e coming down the pike'.

Walk along the beach from the Alfresco area all the way to the Palace/Brighton pier and observe the deepening decline all the way. From the easternmost side of the i360 building site you begin to see in the join between the arches and the road a HUGE level of degradation and plain dereliction.

When we had our mega Monday morning electrical storm, the arches west of Alfresco were dry but for a tiny bit of dripping round doors. The newly refurbished ones from Alfresco to the i360 building site were bone dry and those east of the building site suffered varying levels of flooding. I know because I asked.

The arches /roadway from the Palace Pier to the West Pier area are in need of a massive and urgent investigation and all because Brighton Council and Brighton & Hove Council CHOSE to underfund, undervalue and just ignore the seafront over DECADES. The economic imperative has been to big up the city per se to try to make that the income generator - not the seafront. Just beggars belief
well I agree with most of what you say.Valerie but no one could have seen the can of worms that has been found down under the road. Work vans have to park up top so not to block the prom below. I live I Brighton and feel lets stop pulling down listed buildings in land and save the buildings and structures on sea front. The sea front was never built to carry the flow and weight of life today. So yes it will take time and money. My last words lets fix first and pulled donuts 🔩 on sticks later..
[quote][p][bold]Valerie Paynter[/bold] wrote: "Other structural problems" is code for 'serious s***e coming down the pike'. Walk along the beach from the Alfresco area all the way to the Palace/Brighton pier and observe the deepening decline all the way. From the easternmost side of the i360 building site you begin to see in the join between the arches and the road a HUGE level of degradation and plain dereliction. When we had our mega Monday morning electrical storm, the arches west of Alfresco were dry but for a tiny bit of dripping round doors. The newly refurbished ones from Alfresco to the i360 building site were bone dry and those east of the building site suffered varying levels of flooding. I know because I asked. The arches /roadway from the Palace Pier to the West Pier area are in need of a massive and urgent investigation and all because Brighton Council and Brighton & Hove Council CHOSE to underfund, undervalue and just ignore the seafront over DECADES. The economic imperative has been to big up the city per se to try to make that the income generator - not the seafront. Just beggars belief[/p][/quote]well I agree with most of what you say.Valerie but no one could have seen the can of worms that has been found down under the road. Work vans have to park up top so not to block the prom below. I live I Brighton and feel lets stop pulling down listed buildings in land and save the buildings and structures on sea front. The sea front was never built to carry the flow and weight of life today. So yes it will take time and money. My last words lets fix first and pulled donuts 🔩 on sticks later.. Diggers'
  • Score: 2

2:59pm Thu 21 Aug 14

Diggers' says...

Diggers' wrote:
Valerie Paynter wrote:
"Other structural problems" is code for 'serious s***e coming down the pike'.

Walk along the beach from the Alfresco area all the way to the Palace/Brighton pier and observe the deepening decline all the way. From the easternmost side of the i360 building site you begin to see in the join between the arches and the road a HUGE level of degradation and plain dereliction.

When we had our mega Monday morning electrical storm, the arches west of Alfresco were dry but for a tiny bit of dripping round doors. The newly refurbished ones from Alfresco to the i360 building site were bone dry and those east of the building site suffered varying levels of flooding. I know because I asked.

The arches /roadway from the Palace Pier to the West Pier area are in need of a massive and urgent investigation and all because Brighton Council and Brighton & Hove Council CHOSE to underfund, undervalue and just ignore the seafront over DECADES. The economic imperative has been to big up the city per se to try to make that the income generator - not the seafront. Just beggars belief
well I agree with most of what you say.Valerie but no one could have seen the can of worms that has been found down under the road. Work vans have to park up top so not to block the prom below. I live I Brighton and feel lets stop pulling down listed buildings in land and save the buildings and structures on sea front. The sea front was never built to carry the flow and weight of life today. So yes it will take time and money. My last words lets fix first and pulled donuts 🔩 on sticks later..
Build a giant donut 🍩 on a stick later should say
[quote][p][bold]Diggers'[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Valerie Paynter[/bold] wrote: "Other structural problems" is code for 'serious s***e coming down the pike'. Walk along the beach from the Alfresco area all the way to the Palace/Brighton pier and observe the deepening decline all the way. From the easternmost side of the i360 building site you begin to see in the join between the arches and the road a HUGE level of degradation and plain dereliction. When we had our mega Monday morning electrical storm, the arches west of Alfresco were dry but for a tiny bit of dripping round doors. The newly refurbished ones from Alfresco to the i360 building site were bone dry and those east of the building site suffered varying levels of flooding. I know because I asked. The arches /roadway from the Palace Pier to the West Pier area are in need of a massive and urgent investigation and all because Brighton Council and Brighton & Hove Council CHOSE to underfund, undervalue and just ignore the seafront over DECADES. The economic imperative has been to big up the city per se to try to make that the income generator - not the seafront. Just beggars belief[/p][/quote]well I agree with most of what you say.Valerie but no one could have seen the can of worms that has been found down under the road. Work vans have to park up top so not to block the prom below. I live I Brighton and feel lets stop pulling down listed buildings in land and save the buildings and structures on sea front. The sea front was never built to carry the flow and weight of life today. So yes it will take time and money. My last words lets fix first and pulled donuts 🔩 on sticks later..[/p][/quote]Build a giant donut 🍩 on a stick later should say Diggers'
  • Score: 1

6:23pm Thu 21 Aug 14

tez1959 says...

complex my ar-- basically they dont know what there doing be a bit more quicker if mr renaut had to travel that way he probably rides a bike like the rest of the greens at the pen pushing council
complex my ar-- basically they dont know what there doing be a bit more quicker if mr renaut had to travel that way he probably rides a bike like the rest of the greens at the pen pushing council tez1959
  • Score: 1
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