Refuse situation ‘unacceptable’, says Tory

Two months of bin misery

Two months of bin misery

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Residents have been waiting for more than two months for missing or broken recycling and waste bins to be replaced.

Almost 700 residents were waiting for replacements at the start of last week according to new figures obtained by The Argus.

The longest-delayed residents requested bins at the start of June – a wait well beyond the council’s own target of 28 days.

Council officers said demand has increased significantly since September because of severe storms and many of the city’s wheelie bins are now ten years old and need replacing.

Replacing communal bins, recycling boxes and wheelie bins has cost the council more than £55,000 already this year – compared to just more than £78,000 for the whole of 2013 and £53,000 in 2012.

Requests for new bins soared from 340 in July last year to 1,216 in November, 1,593 in February and 1,863 in January. Over the last three months there has been an average of 800 requests a month.

The council has already delivered 3,675 new bins and boxes in the first six months of the year – a 62% increase on the last six months of 2013. While residents wait for new bins, they have now been given permission to put out their rubbish on collection days in black bin bags.

Conservative councillor Lynda Hyde said: “It is really unacceptable for residents.

“The blame ultimately lies with the Green administration which has shown a complete lack of leadership or responsibility for these persistent problems.”

GMB branch secretary Mark Turner said: “There is a permanent two-person crew that just does deliveries of bins every day.

“It could only be speeded up if more people were put on to do it.

“Another issue is how fast the manufacturers can produce them.

“In the past they have not been able to meet demand and there has been a shortage across the country.”

A council spokesman said: “We are currently prioritising the work of our delivery crews to reduce waiting times.

“Residents waiting for a replacement bin should put their rubbish out in refuse sacks on their usual collection day and we would ask anyone that is awaiting delivery of a new recycling box to put their recycling into carrier bags, again, on their allotted collection day.”

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8:50am Tue 26 Aug 14

HJarrs says...

The council should have some stock to meet the demand. A 2 month delay is not good enough, but not the end of the world.
The council should have some stock to meet the demand. A 2 month delay is not good enough, but not the end of the world. HJarrs
  • Score: -69

9:52am Tue 26 Aug 14

fredflintstone1 says...

This report again clearly shows exactly what is wrong with this council. No service ethos, no drive, no ability. Geoff Raw, the man in charge has totally failed in his (stated £125k) a year post, and yet carries on collecting his inflated pay cheque instead of his P45.

Given his job title as Strategic Director of Place, does this mean there is no hope of him being sacked and someone up to the task being employed? Just how bad does the service have to be before the Greens act? Has there even been a less capable party in the city's history?
This report again clearly shows exactly what is wrong with this council. No service ethos, no drive, no ability. Geoff Raw, the man in charge has totally failed in his (stated £125k) a year post, and yet carries on collecting his inflated pay cheque instead of his P45. Given his job title as Strategic Director of Place, does this mean there is no hope of him being sacked and someone up to the task being employed? Just how bad does the service have to be before the Greens act? Has there even been a less capable party in the city's history? fredflintstone1
  • Score: 35

10:08am Tue 26 Aug 14

Thay Qon U says...

Chill out everyone as HJarrs has said it's "not the end of the world".

Anyone affected is invited to King's House this afternoon where Jason Kitcat and his group the 'Green Refuse-niks' will be performing Nero's violin concerto in C minus. There will also be a special appearance by HJarrs - famous for his role in the British comedy "I'm alright Jack".

Jason's rehearsal this morning has been affected by the sound of fire alarms but the show will go on...........until May 2015.
Chill out everyone as HJarrs has said it's "not the end of the world". Anyone affected is invited to King's House this afternoon where Jason Kitcat and his group the 'Green Refuse-niks' will be performing Nero's violin concerto in C minus. There will also be a special appearance by HJarrs - famous for his role in the British comedy "I'm alright Jack". Jason's rehearsal this morning has been affected by the sound of fire alarms but the show will go on...........until May 2015. Thay Qon U
  • Score: 21

10:19am Tue 26 Aug 14

Phani Tikkala says...

Well where I live the recyclers have only managed to pick up one collection on time since February. Sometimes we wait a month for a collection. Absolutely hopeless - even after residents complain, nothing happens.

Honestly these muppets couldn't organise a proverbial drinking session in a brewery etc. etc.

Roll on May 2015!!
Well where I live the recyclers have only managed to pick up one collection on time since February. Sometimes we wait a month for a collection. Absolutely hopeless - even after residents complain, nothing happens. Honestly these muppets couldn't organise a proverbial drinking session in a brewery etc. etc. Roll on May 2015!! Phani Tikkala
  • Score: 31

10:39am Tue 26 Aug 14

s&k says...

Thay Qon U wrote:
Chill out everyone as HJarrs has said it's "not the end of the world". Anyone affected is invited to King's House this afternoon where Jason Kitcat and his group the 'Green Refuse-niks' will be performing Nero's violin concerto in C minus. There will also be a special appearance by HJarrs - famous for his role in the British comedy "I'm alright Jack". Jason's rehearsal this morning has been affected by the sound of fire alarms but the show will go on...........until May 2015.
Under B&HCC the end of the world would be delayed, disrupted or left to fester on the pavement for three weeks.
[quote][p][bold]Thay Qon U[/bold] wrote: Chill out everyone as HJarrs has said it's "not the end of the world". Anyone affected is invited to King's House this afternoon where Jason Kitcat and his group the 'Green Refuse-niks' will be performing Nero's violin concerto in C minus. There will also be a special appearance by HJarrs - famous for his role in the British comedy "I'm alright Jack". Jason's rehearsal this morning has been affected by the sound of fire alarms but the show will go on...........until May 2015.[/p][/quote]Under B&HCC the end of the world would be delayed, disrupted or left to fester on the pavement for three weeks. s&k
  • Score: 24

10:51am Tue 26 Aug 14

wippasnapper says...

But I thought City-Clean was to replace all these Green Bins with big black bins and rescaling with another big black bin for rescaling so have these plans been shelved now?
But I thought City-Clean was to replace all these Green Bins with big black bins and rescaling with another big black bin for rescaling so have these plans been shelved now? wippasnapper
  • Score: 6

10:56am Tue 26 Aug 14

Just trying to earn a crust says...

Yet another example, if one was needed, what a liability HJarrs is. He purports to support the odious green party, yet on an almost daily basis writes comments that just prove how out of touch with reality they all are. Some of his comments are bordering on the ravings of a madman
Yet another example, if one was needed, what a liability HJarrs is. He purports to support the odious green party, yet on an almost daily basis writes comments that just prove how out of touch with reality they all are. Some of his comments are bordering on the ravings of a madman Just trying to earn a crust
  • Score: 23

11:09am Tue 26 Aug 14

Steve Heenan says...

They took our individual recycling bins away. Now there are big one's some distance away, about 1/2 mile. Most people don't bother now. Hove near Sackville Road.
They took our individual recycling bins away. Now there are big one's some distance away, about 1/2 mile. Most people don't bother now. Hove near Sackville Road. Steve Heenan
  • Score: 16

11:33am Tue 26 Aug 14

NickBtn says...

Steve Heenan wrote:
They took our individual recycling bins away. Now there are big one's some distance away, about 1/2 mile. Most people don't bother now. Hove near Sackville Road.
Lots of recycling bins have been removed as communal bins have been brought in to some areas. Yet those still with recycling bins are waiting months to get replacements.....

Here is a simple idea - why not recycle some of the recycling boxes and re-use them? Lots are being removed, other people are wanting replacements. Two problems. One solution. And save some money. How hard can that be? Well, probably very hard if you are B&HCC.....
[quote][p][bold]Steve Heenan[/bold] wrote: They took our individual recycling bins away. Now there are big one's some distance away, about 1/2 mile. Most people don't bother now. Hove near Sackville Road.[/p][/quote]Lots of recycling bins have been removed as communal bins have been brought in to some areas. Yet those still with recycling bins are waiting months to get replacements..... Here is a simple idea - why not recycle some of the recycling boxes and re-use them? Lots are being removed, other people are wanting replacements. Two problems. One solution. And save some money. How hard can that be? Well, probably very hard if you are B&HCC..... NickBtn
  • Score: 10

11:36am Tue 26 Aug 14

Fight_Back says...

Steve Heenan wrote:
They took our individual recycling bins away. Now there are big one's some distance away, about 1/2 mile. Most people don't bother now. Hove near Sackville Road.
Which is EXACTLY what I predicted when they announce communal recycling. I'd love to know where the council managed to get any data from that suggested, or even hinted, that communal recycling would make recycling rates go up.
[quote][p][bold]Steve Heenan[/bold] wrote: They took our individual recycling bins away. Now there are big one's some distance away, about 1/2 mile. Most people don't bother now. Hove near Sackville Road.[/p][/quote]Which is EXACTLY what I predicted when they announce communal recycling. I'd love to know where the council managed to get any data from that suggested, or even hinted, that communal recycling would make recycling rates go up. Fight_Back
  • Score: 20

11:46am Tue 26 Aug 14

Martha Gunn says...

Our kerbside recycling boxes went a couple of months ago.

Replaced by laughably small communal bins at a distance and infrequently emptied.

Quick enquiries in my road suggest massive decline in recycling by people previously dedicated to good environmental habits.

A ridiculous result for a so-called Green council.
Our kerbside recycling boxes went a couple of months ago. Replaced by laughably small communal bins at a distance and infrequently emptied. Quick enquiries in my road suggest massive decline in recycling by people previously dedicated to good environmental habits. A ridiculous result for a so-called Green council. Martha Gunn
  • Score: 30

11:58am Tue 26 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

HJarrs wrote:
The council should have some stock to meet the demand. A 2 month delay is not good enough, but not the end of the world.
Two SUMMER months will mean the problem is worse than it should be.

Even Spain manages three collections per week in some areas.

There is little point in crowing about Brighton being a major tourist destination if parts of it are being neglected in this way.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: The council should have some stock to meet the demand. A 2 month delay is not good enough, but not the end of the world.[/p][/quote]Two SUMMER months will mean the problem is worse than it should be. Even Spain manages three collections per week in some areas. There is little point in crowing about Brighton being a major tourist destination if parts of it are being neglected in this way. notslimjim
  • Score: 14

12:14pm Tue 26 Aug 14

brightonian57 says...

So the green party spokesman has written in the local paper that a 2 month wait for a replacement is "not the end of the world" It really does sum up the mess the city is in, and proves just how incompetent the green council is
So the green party spokesman has written in the local paper that a 2 month wait for a replacement is "not the end of the world" It really does sum up the mess the city is in, and proves just how incompetent the green council is brightonian57
  • Score: 30

12:41pm Tue 26 Aug 14

thevoiceoftruth says...

HJarrs wrote:
The council should have some stock to meet the demand. A 2 month delay is not good enough, but not the end of the world.
Not the end of the world but the refuse and recycling service has been in chaos for ages. The one thing I expected the Green Party to do was increase recycling rates and allow recycling of green waste. They have failed dismally.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: The council should have some stock to meet the demand. A 2 month delay is not good enough, but not the end of the world.[/p][/quote]Not the end of the world but the refuse and recycling service has been in chaos for ages. The one thing I expected the Green Party to do was increase recycling rates and allow recycling of green waste. They have failed dismally. thevoiceoftruth
  • Score: 15

12:49pm Tue 26 Aug 14

NickBrt says...

I bet HJarrs has bins outside his/her home!
I bet HJarrs has bins outside his/her home! NickBrt
  • Score: 10

12:56pm Tue 26 Aug 14

FatherTed11 says...

This website looks horrible, why is the text so big?
This website looks horrible, why is the text so big? FatherTed11
  • Score: 9

1:22pm Tue 26 Aug 14

dickpagebrighton says...

That headline is a bit over the top, isn't it ? Can't you find more interesting - real - news ? Of course we all want our rubbish secure and regularly removed; can we also think about producing less of it ...

As I understand it, communal bins greatly reduce street mess. If you haven't got one near enough, or need help taking your stuff to them, contact the council and they will respond.

And it's a bit rich a conservative huffing and puffing, when their government is cutting funding to councils for services like this to ordinary people.
That headline is a bit over the top, isn't it ? Can't you find more interesting - real - news ? Of course we all want our rubbish secure and regularly removed; can we also think about producing less of it ... As I understand it, communal bins greatly reduce street mess. If you haven't got one near enough, or need help taking your stuff to them, contact the council and they will respond. And it's a bit rich a conservative huffing and puffing, when their government is cutting funding to councils for services like this to ordinary people. dickpagebrighton
  • Score: -10

1:25pm Tue 26 Aug 14

We love Red Billy says...

It will shortly be the end of their world. Lashings of P45's all round including whineratii leader Hj..who?
It will shortly be the end of their world. Lashings of P45's all round including whineratii leader Hj..who? We love Red Billy
  • Score: 8

1:25pm Tue 26 Aug 14

thevoiceoftruth says...

FatherTed11 wrote:
This website looks horrible, why is the text so big?
Probably to increase its readability. Many people have problems with smaller text.

I dont have a problem with the website but the mobile site does not work well on an android. Maybe it is just my phone but the ads make it constantly leap back up to the top of the page when you are scrolling. If I accidentally click on 'click2find' one more time I may end up throwing the phone out the window!
[quote][p][bold]FatherTed11[/bold] wrote: This website looks horrible, why is the text so big?[/p][/quote]Probably to increase its readability. Many people have problems with smaller text. I dont have a problem with the website but the mobile site does not work well on an android. Maybe it is just my phone but the ads make it constantly leap back up to the top of the page when you are scrolling. If I accidentally click on 'click2find' one more time I may end up throwing the phone out the window! thevoiceoftruth
  • Score: 1

1:27pm Tue 26 Aug 14

We love Red Billy says...

brightonian57 wrote:
So the green party spokesman has written in the local paper that a 2 month wait for a replacement is "not the end of the world" It really does sum up the mess the city is in, and proves just how incompetent the green council is
Could we have the name of the spokesperson please Argus?
[quote][p][bold]brightonian57[/bold] wrote: So the green party spokesman has written in the local paper that a 2 month wait for a replacement is "not the end of the world" It really does sum up the mess the city is in, and proves just how incompetent the green council is[/p][/quote]Could we have the name of the spokesperson please Argus? We love Red Billy
  • Score: -4

1:39pm Tue 26 Aug 14

calro75 says...

thevoiceoftruth wrote:
FatherTed11 wrote:
This website looks horrible, why is the text so big?
Probably to increase its readability. Many people have problems with smaller text.

I dont have a problem with the website but the mobile site does not work well on an android. Maybe it is just my phone but the ads make it constantly leap back up to the top of the page when you are scrolling. If I accidentally click on 'click2find' one more time I may end up throwing the phone out the window!
Not just yours, mine does the same and it's very irritating. You think the page has fully loaded then click on something and the whole page moves again. Phone has taken a bit of a battering recently.
[quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FatherTed11[/bold] wrote: This website looks horrible, why is the text so big?[/p][/quote]Probably to increase its readability. Many people have problems with smaller text. I dont have a problem with the website but the mobile site does not work well on an android. Maybe it is just my phone but the ads make it constantly leap back up to the top of the page when you are scrolling. If I accidentally click on 'click2find' one more time I may end up throwing the phone out the window![/p][/quote]Not just yours, mine does the same and it's very irritating. You think the page has fully loaded then click on something and the whole page moves again. Phone has taken a bit of a battering recently. calro75
  • Score: 6

1:47pm Tue 26 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

We love Red Billy wrote:
brightonian57 wrote:
So the green party spokesman has written in the local paper that a 2 month wait for a replacement is "not the end of the world" It really does sum up the mess the city is in, and proves just how incompetent the green council is
Could we have the name of the spokesperson please Argus?
The name appears alongside the post from which the quote was taken.

It's amazing how many people cannot read usernames.
[quote][p][bold]We love Red Billy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brightonian57[/bold] wrote: So the green party spokesman has written in the local paper that a 2 month wait for a replacement is "not the end of the world" It really does sum up the mess the city is in, and proves just how incompetent the green council is[/p][/quote]Could we have the name of the spokesperson please Argus?[/p][/quote]The name appears alongside the post from which the quote was taken. It's amazing how many people cannot read usernames. notslimjim
  • Score: -2

1:51pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Bill in Hanover says...

Within hours of an illegal traveller encampment being set up the area is supplied with bins so why are taxpaying residents not given the same level of service.
Within hours of an illegal traveller encampment being set up the area is supplied with bins so why are taxpaying residents not given the same level of service. Bill in Hanover
  • Score: 15

2:03pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Craig_Futurists says...

Is there only one bin manufacturer?
What happened to all the ones replaced with the communal bins, can the undamaged ones not be cleaned and redistributed?
Looks like CityClean needs a spring clean.
Is there only one bin manufacturer? What happened to all the ones replaced with the communal bins, can the undamaged ones not be cleaned and redistributed? Looks like CityClean needs a spring clean. Craig_Futurists
  • Score: 6

4:27pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Man With No Name says...

Another week with my bins being collected on the wrong day (weekend... Hello overtime) but hey, it's not like they ever collect it on the right day anyway so I can't claim I don't know when they are coming, I do. Saturday.
Another week with my bins being collected on the wrong day (weekend... Hello overtime) but hey, it's not like they ever collect it on the right day anyway so I can't claim I don't know when they are coming, I do. Saturday. Man With No Name
  • Score: -2

4:37pm Tue 26 Aug 14

ok,jared says...

Bill in Hanover wrote:
Within hours of an illegal traveller encampment being set up the area is supplied with bins so why are taxpaying residents not given the same level of service.
They get supplied with bins?

Why don't they get supplied a police escort off the property?
[quote][p][bold]Bill in Hanover[/bold] wrote: Within hours of an illegal traveller encampment being set up the area is supplied with bins so why are taxpaying residents not given the same level of service.[/p][/quote]They get supplied with bins? Why don't they get supplied a police escort off the property? ok,jared
  • Score: 5

5:00pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Morpheus says...

This is incompetence of the full-time council staff but the councillors should not have let the situation go on for so long.
This is incompetence of the full-time council staff but the councillors should not have let the situation go on for so long. Morpheus
  • Score: 3

5:20pm Tue 26 Aug 14

fredflintstone1 says...

Craig_Futurists wrote:
Is there only one bin manufacturer?
What happened to all the ones replaced with the communal bins, can the undamaged ones not be cleaned and redistributed?
Looks like CityClean needs a spring clean.
You would have thought so .....

This Green council has never been shy about wasting public money - the concept of economy is not something they and senior personnel have got to grips with as yet.
[quote][p][bold]Craig_Futurists[/bold] wrote: Is there only one bin manufacturer? What happened to all the ones replaced with the communal bins, can the undamaged ones not be cleaned and redistributed? Looks like CityClean needs a spring clean.[/p][/quote]You would have thought so ..... This Green council has never been shy about wasting public money - the concept of economy is not something they and senior personnel have got to grips with as yet. fredflintstone1
  • Score: 2

6:41pm Tue 26 Aug 14

G Wiley says...

@HJarrs - well done Clouseau!

Yet another embarrassing foot-in-mouth moment for the green 'led' council from their amateur fanboy/spin-doctor.

The Conservatives, Labour, Liberal Democrats and UKIP are very lucky to have you working for the watermelons.

Keep up the good work!
@HJarrs - well done Clouseau! Yet another embarrassing foot-in-mouth moment for the green 'led' council from their amateur fanboy/spin-doctor. The Conservatives, Labour, Liberal Democrats and UKIP are very lucky to have you working for the watermelons. Keep up the good work! G Wiley
  • Score: 6

9:31pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Benny Duncan-Jarrs says...

Funny how this old chestnut just won't go away and the reality is that the bin collection service has never been so good.

Its the whinging locals who need to calm down and shift the rubbish themselves instead of bleating on about their problems to the press.
Funny how this old chestnut just won't go away and the reality is that the bin collection service has never been so good. Its the whinging locals who need to calm down and shift the rubbish themselves instead of bleating on about their problems to the press. Benny Duncan-Jarrs
  • Score: -9

10:46pm Tue 26 Aug 14

ok,jared says...

Benny Duncan-Jarrs wrote:
Funny how this old chestnut just won't go away and the reality is that the bin collection service has never been so good.

Its the whinging locals who need to calm down and shift the rubbish themselves instead of bleating on about their problems to the press.
So you accept that they have grounds for complaint, but you object to them telling the local paper about them?
[quote][p][bold]Benny Duncan-Jarrs[/bold] wrote: Funny how this old chestnut just won't go away and the reality is that the bin collection service has never been so good. Its the whinging locals who need to calm down and shift the rubbish themselves instead of bleating on about their problems to the press.[/p][/quote]So you accept that they have grounds for complaint, but you object to them telling the local paper about them? ok,jared
  • Score: 2

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