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New look Argus website
6:40pm Wednesday 16th July 2008
Welcome to the new-look Argus website.
With clearer navigation and loads more content, including videos, podcasts and blogs, the Argus site is the first place to visit for your local news, sport and information.
From breaking news and all the big stories to the latest on the Albion, The Argus is first with the news that matters to Brighton and Hove and all across Sussex.
All day every day we constantly update this site. Each month more than 260,000 readers check what’s happening with more than 2.5 million page impressions.
Find out for yourself why so many people see and read it here first and keep coming back to the Argus website.
- From sell-out gigs to baby yoga, find out what’s on using our new listings search engine
- Join the debate on our forums and comment on all our stories. You’ll need to register, but it’s easy to do, just click on the icon at the top of the homepage
- Check out the latest weather reports and live travel updates, plus find out more about Sussex schools, local crime statistics, house prices and NHS services in Local Info
- Sell all your unwanted items or search for things to buy in Buy & Sell
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Also, we want to know what you think of the site. If you any problems or want to suggest something we could change or add to any of our pages, let us know by emailing webmaster@theargus.co.uk.
Please bear in mind that they'll be a few maintenance issues over the first few days.
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12345, brighton hove says...
7:27pm Wed 16 Jul 08
shay, brighton says...
7:41pm Wed 16 Jul 08
12345, brighton hove says...
7:49pm Wed 16 Jul 08
12345 wrote:Sorry to navigate around now
Please change it back to how it was, its very hard to navigate now.
oldie, hove says...
8:36pm Wed 16 Jul 08
nkwbtn, Woodingdean says...
9:06pm Wed 16 Jul 08
Bob, shoreham says...
9:51pm Wed 16 Jul 08
Argus, Brighton says...
10:30pm Wed 16 Jul 08
unclesam, peacehaven says...
10:49pm Wed 16 Jul 08
SM, crowborough says...
11:28pm Wed 16 Jul 08
It's horrible.
oldie, hove says...
7:43am Thu 17 Jul 08
oldie, hove says...
7:52am Thu 17 Jul 08
colavey, Brighton says...
7:57am Thu 17 Jul 08
colavey, Brighton says...
8:04am Thu 17 Jul 08
Tigger, Worthing says...
8:22am Thu 17 Jul 08
And why is there no new news?
Kickboxer, Worthing says...
8:24am Thu 17 Jul 08
onlyme, brighton says...
8:30am Thu 17 Jul 08
yes some links dont work.... with major overhauls like this - it happens...
i agree the new login system will hopefully cut down on the rubbish/abusive comments being placed
well done...... where do we send cmments re missing/invalid links
itsfullofmorons, Portslade says...
9:22am Thu 17 Jul 08
This site has a worse design than before, is full of coding errors (61 at last count according to the W3C website checker), isn't accessible from my work pc or pda anymore and manages to convey even less information on the front page.
Its worse than a night out in Portslade!
Site admin, Brighton says...
9:59am Thu 17 Jul 08
We would also ask that you bear with us over the next few days - this has been a big jobs and as you've probably noticed there are quite a few bugs/issues to sort out.
Once these are resovled we hope that the site will offer you a lot more and we'll be looking to really expand the content over the coming months.
Similarly, there has been a delay in uploading news, sport, letters etc - all of this should be brought completely up-to-date by the end of the day.
birthofanorange, Hove says...
10:01am Thu 17 Jul 08
Oh well, I can see The Argus losing even more readers.
Ben Martin, Brighton says...
10:22am Thu 17 Jul 08
I also agree with the comment made about the text being right up against the left of the page. Thats annoying.
I'm not a tekky but the page seems to big for the browser as well, although that could just be me.
One thing that is an improvement is those irritating adverts in the middle of a story seem to have gone.
jobseeker, brighton says...
10:29am Thu 17 Jul 08
OP8, Brighton says...
10:33am Thu 17 Jul 08
feline1, Brighton says...
10:48am Thu 17 Jul 08
---FAIL----
http://validator.w3.
org/check?uri=http%3
A%2F%2Fwww.theargus.
co.uk&charset=(detec
t+automatically)&doc
type=Inline&group=0
"This page is not Valid XHTML 1.0 Transitional!
Result: Failed validation, 61 Errors "
Whoever did the redesign is clearly an incompetant loon, without basic webskills. However, the site probably "looked OK on their Mac", so that's all that matters really, isn't it?
The most irritating part of the design for me is having everything squeezed into tiny columns that are about 1/8th of the width of my monitor screen.
*********FAIL*******
****
solly, Brighton says...
11:04am Thu 17 Jul 08
feline1, Brighton says...
11:28am Thu 17 Jul 08
solly wrote:lol
it looks fine on my mac
Tigger, Worthing says...
11:31am Thu 17 Jul 08
Wivvy Dave , Wivelsfield says...
12:00pm Thu 17 Jul 08
Stu, Hove says...
12:00pm Thu 17 Jul 08
I don't like the way that everything is crammed onto the far left of the screen.
I don't like the dark grey writing on the light grey boxes on each comment. Very difficult to read. I'm using firefox with abp by the way if it makes any difference... so I don't see any ads.
Ronald, Hailsham says...
12:07pm Thu 17 Jul 08
Ronald, Hailsham says...
12:10pm Thu 17 Jul 08
onlyme, brighton says...
12:20pm Thu 17 Jul 08
Tigger, Worthing says...
12:22pm Thu 17 Jul 08
itsfullofmorons wrote:I think that's a bit unfair on students...I'm sure most of them could have done better!
i hope this was done as a school project!! This site has a worse design than before, is full of coding errors (61 at last count according to the W3C website checker), isn't accessible from my work pc or pda anymore and manages to convey even less information on the front page. Its worse than a night out in Portslade!
birthofanorange, Selhurst says...
12:40pm Thu 17 Jul 08
feline1, Brighton says...
12:53pm Thu 17 Jul 08
birthofanorange wrote:you just don't get it, do you? The critera for good web design is not "do the end users like it?" or "does the site conform to the rules of HTML?" - they are 1. "Does it look OK on the designer's Mac?" and 2. "Did they have nice biscuits at the pretentious 2-hour 'vision and branding strategy' meeting that the head of marketing had at the designer's office?"
So, the general consensus is that it's rubbish. What are the chances that anyone will listen and put it back the way it was? Zero to less than zero, I'd imagine.
You must also realise that the majority of people involved in the process have no proper technical skills at all and spend the bulk of their disposal income cocaine.
What's difficult?
kblue1, Peacehaven says...
1:21pm Thu 17 Jul 08
D3xt3r, Hove says...
2:13pm Thu 17 Jul 08
Just my twopennies worth....
D3xt3r, Hove says...
3:06pm Thu 17 Jul 08
feline1 wrote:To be fair, most of those failed validation checks are unclosed paragraph and list item tags. Thats more likely to be a shoddy CMS than an incompetent web editor. Its not fair to expect someone who updates a site like this to be fluent in HTML/CSS, PHP, C, Ruby or any other language. Thats the point of a CMS. I cant really see the Argus having a team of hardcore techies looking after their website. If the CMS doesn't close the tags properly (which I agree is bad practice) then it shouldn't use the srtict XHTML DOC TYPE. Don't blame the web monkies.
Verdict from the W3C HTML validator?---FAIL---
-http://validator.w3
.org/check?uri=http%
3A%2F%2Fwww.theargus
.co.uk&charset=(
detect+automatically
)&doctype=Inline
&group=0"This page is not Valid XHTML 1.0 Transitional!Result: Failed validation, 61 Errors "Whoever did the redesign is clearly an incompetant loon, without basic webskills. However, the site probably "looked OK on their Mac", so that's all that matters really, isn't it?The most irritating part of the design for me is having everything squeezed into tiny columns that are about 1/8th of the width of my monitor screen.*********FAIL
***********
jon, says...
3:48pm Thu 17 Jul 08
thevoiceofreason, Brighton says...
5:19pm Thu 17 Jul 08
feline1 wrote:Feline 1 - Are you the most cynical person I have ever come across? Quite possibly.
birthofanorange wrote:So, the general consensus is that it's rubbish. What are the chances that anyone will listen and put it back the way it was? Zero to less than zero, I'd imagine.you just don't get it, do you? The critera for good web design is not "do the end users like it?" or "does the site conform to the rules of HTML?" - they are 1. "Does it look OK on the designer's Mac?" and 2. "Did they have nice biscuits at the pretentious 2-hour 'vision and branding strategy' meeting that the head of marketing had at the designer's office?" You must also realise that the majority of people involved in the process have no proper technical skills at all and spend the bulk of their disposal income cocaine.What's difficult?
ICantThinkOfAName, LANCING says...
7:09pm Thu 17 Jul 08
I 've just looked at the news page and it contains items from days, months and even years ago. I couldn't find anything for today.
The only change for the better is the log in system which hopefully will stop all the silly username stealing.
therat, nive says...
7:30pm Thu 17 Jul 08
saveHOVE, Hove says...
8:35pm Thu 17 Jul 08
I was really disoriented clicking on the Hoogstraten story to then see it wasn't actually NEWS! It was something from THE ARCHIVE!
I agree with a couple of postings that rather a lot is sprayed onto the page. After the market research analysis shows you what was most needed/popular I hope to see this simplified and thinned out.
One amazing plus from my pov. Some newspapers upload instantly, some take forever. You and The Daily Mail and The Telegraph and The Guardian were the worst. The New York Times was instant. Now The Argus too is instant. Hurrah! And on dialup too.
Dave Osbourne, Hove says...
9:25pm Thu 17 Jul 08
Friday 8th February 2008
Tuesday 11th December 2007
Wednesday 15th August 2007
Friday 15th June 2007
Tuesday 21st November 2006
All very interesting, but only one story from this year - and not even today?
washpot, littlehampton says...
9:59pm Thu 17 Jul 08
saveHOVE, Hove says...
9:59pm Thu 17 Jul 08
That is bad form! Very bad form.
For the record in case anyone else looks at this and wants to put the question (or try to) on Friday i wanted to ask the following:
Frank Gehry has informed the world's media that he and his practice are no longer on the King Alfred development team. When was Karis given formal notification of this and when did Karis give notice of it to Brighton & Hove City Council. i can't be online Friday.
DRAT! Triple DRAT! Tsk.
Girl Racer, Burgess Hill says...
10:21pm Thu 17 Jul 08
bug eye, hove says...
12:32am Fri 18 Jul 08
maria m, hove says...
9:20am Fri 18 Jul 08
The dates on item are 2007 2006 so what are these?
very difficult to use,in fact I had better and quicker news from the radio web site .
markyc1977a, shoreham says...
9:25am Fri 18 Jul 08
Ben Martin, Brighton says...
9:41am Fri 18 Jul 08
Also , yesterday there seemd to be a link to 'local news', today I cant find it!
Has it disappeared? Or have I lost it among all the other stuff on every page?
Being a local, reading a local paper, the local news is my first port of call on this website.
Everything else on the site is secondary.
When a pizza has too many toppings,
its hard to distiguish each flavour.
The new look Argus website is similar, there really is far too much on every page.
Just provide the links, we can do the rest.
Stu, Hove says...
10:37am Fri 18 Jul 08
local news link gone?
Why is the story
you want to read
crammed down the
left 1/3 of the page
when other less
relevant stuff
is in the
middle...
D3xt3r, Hove says...
12:21pm Fri 18 Jul 08
jon wrote:I wasnt having a go, Jon, I was actually defending them from the likes of Feline1. I may have spelt monkeys incorrectly, but at least able to read and understand the tone of a comment, unlike yourself. So, if they're so clever, why doesnt the CMS close the list and paragraph tags then?
The web monkeys are fluent in PHP, and have actually contributed bugfixes to the PHP project itself. They can also spell 'monkeys'. On the design, yes, it did look good on the designer's Mac. Apropos the biscuits and cocaine, no comment.
Also, being married to an Argus employee, I know what a bunch of useless idiots the Argus tech people are. From your comment, I will assume you are one of them. So thanks for being rude. After a slew of posts slagging you off, I was only trying to give the other side of the argument. And you/they might be fluent in PHP, but quite clearly have no idea about usability/design. But then I suppose you've sacked all your designers. Lets hope your not next, eh?
Genie, shoreham says...
12:23pm Fri 18 Jul 08
Brush, Ottawa says...
3:50pm Fri 18 Jul 08
This one is too "busy" and cluttered. Font size way too small, and has to be reduced to be usable with Firefox browser. (just plain small in IE).
Get rid of the 3-column layout - way to hard to scan or browse.
- just my opinion -
onlyme, brighton says...
4:07pm Fri 18 Jul 08
Brush, Ottawa says...
4:32pm Fri 18 Jul 08
Ta'
Tracey, BRIGHTON says...
4:44pm Fri 18 Jul 08
Tigger, Worthing says...
6:50pm Fri 18 Jul 08
TimZillion, Brighton says...
7:32pm Fri 18 Jul 08
Bound to be a few teething problems at first. (Please give the page some border room on the left hand side!) Nothing that can't be sorted.
Good start!
den2il, Brighton says...
4:03pm Sat 19 Jul 08
Tigger wrote:I agree.
its annoying now that the order of the local news doesn't have the latest items at the top, so it's hard to tell if there have been new items
The homepage is a complete mess. Please lets have a more professional feel to it.
damien hilton, saltdean says...
9:47am Sun 20 Jul 08
S.T. Rewth, Brighton says...
7:16pm Sun 20 Jul 08
thevoiceoftruth, Brighton says...
1:19pm Mon 21 Jul 08
beard, southwick says...
1:24pm Mon 21 Jul 08
I cant find what Im looking for anymore. Nothing is in order.
Please change back to the old style.
adorable, Seaford says...
9:36pm Tue 22 Jul 08
PLEASE go back to the way it was....
roof-week
winalot, brighton says...
3:30am Sun 27 Jul 08
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saveHOVE, Hove says...
7:11pm Wed 16 Jul 08
Shame too that only a selection of the letters from the letters page of the print version are offered and none of today's 'left hand page' letters on King Alfred (from William Tessier, Lindy Banks and cllr Ted Kemble). It means if people are away they cannot read the Argus online and keep up with letters that are especially featured.