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Plan to drop free bus pass routes in Sussex revealed


Plans are being drawn up to ban pensioners and the disabled from using their free bus passes on hundreds of bus and coach journeys, The Argus can reveal.

The Government is consulting on controversial proposals to remove coach journeys, such as Brighton to London, some park-and-ride services and tourist buses from the nationwide concessionary bus scheme introduced in April.

The move follows lobbying from the coach industry over confusion about the scheme, and its administrative costs.

Although not advertised, more than 100 National Express routes are registered as local bus services and as a result are included in the free bus pass scheme, according to research by pass users.

These include coaches serving Brighton, Eastbourne, Hastings and Gatwick.

Despite the lack of promotion, the Government estimates that 23,000 trips are likely to be made on coach services this year using the free passes and that the figure will rise steeply as more people become aware of the option.

The Government says removing these routes from the scheme is simply closing a loophole in the legislation. But users have reacted angrily to the news, saying they are being robbed of a valuable service.

They point to the fact coach operators will be still be able to claim a rebate on fuel duty, provided to those running local bus services, after the changes.

In the 12 months to March 2007, National Express received 12 million in bus services operators grants, although part of this money was to refund half-price tickets for pensioners and those with disabilities on longdistance coach journeys.

Daniel Stuart, 30, of East London, has used his bus pass frequently to visit a terminallyill relative in Brighton. He suffers from mental health problems and says the Government plans are disgusting.

He said: "Without this, I would not be able to afford to go."

It is also feared that park-and-ride services in Sussex as well as leisure buses, such as the routes to the Devil s Dyke and Ditchling Beacon, could be removed from the list of free services.

Roger French, managing director of Brighton and Hove Bus Company, said the situation remained unclear.

He added: "It is a bit of a mess and I do not think this will make it any clearer."

Brighton and Hove City Council, which runs the concessionary bus scheme for the city, said: "The council is consulting on proposed new Government guidelines on concessionary bus fares."

The council could retain the leisure and park-and-ride routes at its own cost.

Norman Baker, MP for Lewes and Lib Dem transport spokesman, said: "This shows how the Government can take a popular scheme and make a complete hash of it.

"The reality is that local councils are underfunded.

"Instead of looking to shave back some of the services, it should be tackling the underlying problems."

A Department for Transport spokeswoman said: "This consultation is not looking to cut the number of services available to the 11 million eligible people but to remove uncertainty and clarify any anomalies that have come to light since the all England concession was introduced."

  • For a full list of the National Express routes registered as local bus services click here.(Opens in PDF)

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Ozimandias, BRIGHTON says...
12:21pm Thu 1 Jan 09

FREE BUS PASSES
I have paid income tax and national insurance for 40 years and I am grateful for the free 60+ travel concession. I visited Wales last weekend and had to pay £3.30 for a short bus trip as my pass is not valid in the Principality!
More bus passengers means fewer cars and less congestion.

J BIRKETT BN1 3HG

BNO, says...
1:14pm Thu 1 Jan 09

bus pass heaven is the way to go -- i have yet to see a fee-paying passenger being refused entrance on to a bus because it was too full of free OAP loaders -- I shall now try out route 025
• Eastborne – Brighton
• Brighton – Hooley
• Hooley – VCS
and
717, 727, 747 --

TheInsider, Brighton says...
1:23pm Thu 1 Jan 09

My parents use the bus passes despite the fact that both of them are working. Their friends also still work in very well-paid jobs (some in civil service jobs at senior level) and they use their passes to get to and from work! - using their flexi time to enable them to use the passes after 9.30am. My friend's father has a number of houses and is very well off. He uses his pass to travel to and from his tennis clubs so he can enjoy a tipple without the drink/drive risk.
They then fly off to Tuscany/Morrocco several times a year parking their brand new cars at Gatwick/Heathrow. They themselves have admitted that the system is perhaps not being used in the way in which it was intended.
I thought the concessionary bus passes were introduced to enable people living on a limited income access local services in their local community outside peak travel times ie hospital visits, shopping and social contact with the community, not for people to take advantage of the "free" system to traipse all over the country just because its free and use the tickets to travel to and from work.
Yes pensioners should get free transport as they have contributed to the National Insurance system but the current system needs reforming which will be a complex and controversial operation.

caeos, sussex says...
2:30pm Thu 1 Jan 09

Yes pensioners should get free transport as they have contributed to the National Insurance system


the NI scheme is medical insurance not for free bus travel. lets see how many councils are short changed in April

TheInsider, Brighton says...
2:58pm Thu 1 Jan 09

Caeos you are correct about NI "supposedly" being for medical insurance. However, it is not strictly accurate as 21st century Britain, despite paying NI for almost 30 years, I cannot get a doctors appointment, I pay privately for eye tests and dental treatment so am sure my considerable NI contributions are being spent by the Government elsewhere......bombi
ng other countries I suspect or throwing statins at those people who do manage to get a doctors appointment.

quedula, brighton says...
3:04pm Thu 1 Jan 09

The NI scheme is NOT medical insurance. This is a popular fallacy. The NHS is funded out of central taxation. NI contributions just qualify the payer for the state pension and unemployment benefit but do not in themselves cover the cost of those. NI contributions are really just another tax and a regressive one at that.

freddo, Brighton says...
3:10pm Thu 1 Jan 09

why do some people get so hot under the collar about their fellow citizens getting the odd freebie? I have a bus pass but don't spend every minute of the day hogging seats on buses depriving 'fare-paying' youngsters (who'd rather be in their cars) from the joys of public transport! In fact I can't remember any of the buses I've used being more than half full. I do think it should be a UK-wide scheme - I'd love to be able to use it in Scotland!

bug eye, hove says...
3:23pm Thu 1 Jan 09

I think the free bus pass should be extended to over 50s it is the only way to get people out of cars and prop up the tourist industry. if you take away bus passes on certain routes then the business at each end of those routes will lose money, therefore helping the decline of the economy, another badly thought out scheme by a ridiculous government. god help us with id cards.

when is this ridiculous council going to sort out our city more to the point, it is filthy, with outrageous changing of ridiculous road schemes and built out bus stops etc. and losing big business and tourists to other destinations.

what has happened to properly qualified experienced council town planners and architects, this council is just building the slums of the future.

The Garden Slug, your Kitchen says...
3:24pm Thu 1 Jan 09

The free bus pass scheme has NOT worked from day one. Remove it and go back to the county pass scheme.

Just because people get old does not automatically mean they get poor. Plenty of pensioners are just sitting there clogging up the bus just for the sake of it.

Once I asked an 'oldie' on the 700 stagecoach why he was always on the bus, he told me it saved him switching on the heating in his house for 12 hours a day, saving him £££

airfox, Eastbourne says...
4:56pm Thu 1 Jan 09

Surely where it can and cant be used is obvious, the clue is in the title.
Its not a train pass, its not a taxi pass, its not a coach pass, its a bus pass. Ya use it on a bus!

robsurmer, Brighton says...
5:29pm Thu 1 Jan 09

same old, same old...why do so many people resent the elderly being looked after! I'm in my forties and am happy for my tax pounds to pay to improve the lives of a generation which fought to keep us ungrateful slobs free! And if they have a house or holidays in the sun-good! they deserve them after working hard all their lives-sadly you ungrateful buggers will get your grubby little hands on all that one day-what's the problem?

davyboy, abingdon, oxon says...
6:35pm Thu 1 Jan 09

airfox wrote:
Surely where it can and cant be used is obvious, the clue is in the title.
Its not a train pass, its not a taxi pass, its not a coach pass, its a bus pass. Ya use it on a bus!
that is all very well, but some parts of some coach routes are designated bus routes too. in oxford 'oldies' can use the coach services between the park and ride site and the city centre, for example. the whole situation needs to made clear, both to operators and the public. also, clarification needs to be made on the times free travel is available, as the govt say from 9.30, but some councils allow from 9am.

Dave At Home, Brighton says...
8:05pm Thu 1 Jan 09

nice to see the anti JR comments are still being removed... so much for free speech.

Must have been my comments about having my shopping nicked while on the bus, can't show Brighton to be worst than it already is....

Time to have this removed now...

CARTMAN, BRIGHTON says...
9:01pm Thu 1 Jan 09

I was not going to comment on this on!

Until The security word "hurt-cost" came up?

Voice of the silent Majority, Hove says...
9:02pm Thu 1 Jan 09

When i spoke to a bus driver he told me they were being incouraged to issue ghost tickets as this meant the company could claim more tax money to bolster the private company coffers and therefore protect jobs and pensions at Brighton & Hove. Frenchy wins either way, and has his hand in all our pockets

Jim BB, Brighton says...
3:50pm Fri 2 Jan 09

The OAPs deserve the free transport having paid tax and NI for over 40 years. After all, it's not as though they get many other freebies and, despite most living on a fixed income, still have to pay council tax so I'm not surprised some poor old man has to spend the day on the bus to keep warm, doesn't it say a lot about the state of the economy that he has to?

twosugars, seaford says...
5:25pm Fri 2 Jan 09

Voice of the silent Majority wrote:
When i spoke to a bus driver he told me they were being incouraged to issue ghost tickets as this meant the company could claim more tax money to bolster the private company coffers and therefore protect jobs and pensions at Brighton & Hove. Frenchy wins either way, and has his hand in all our pockets
i suspect this driver was winding you up,
As an employee of b&h i have never been encouraged to issue ghost tickets, officially or otherwise and have never heard mention of any other drivers being encouraged to do so.

some of the drivers in the company have a strange sense of humour - we get enough stick without these plonkers stirring the pot!

The Garden Slug, your Kitchen says...
6:50pm Fri 2 Jan 09

twosugars wrote:
Voice of the silent Majority wrote: When i spoke to a bus driver he told me they were being incouraged to issue ghost tickets as this meant the company could claim more tax money to bolster the private company coffers and therefore protect jobs and pensions at Brighton & Hove. Frenchy wins either way, and has his hand in all our pockets
i suspect this driver was winding you up, As an employee of b&h i have never been encouraged to issue ghost tickets, officially or otherwise and have never heard mention of any other drivers being encouraged to do so. some of the drivers in the company have a strange sense of humour - we get enough stick without these plonkers stirring the pot!
Ahh. so your one of the root'n toot'n bandy gang then?

CARTMAN, BRIGHTON says...
9:19pm Fri 2 Jan 09

One last cheak I thought!

Then the security word "they-miss" came up?

ERR!

Cyril Hart, London says...
8:20am Tue 15 Dec 09

I dont see why the over 60's should get any free bus travel at all, I resent having to pay extra tax so that often well to do people take taxpayers for a ride.

The over 60's get far too many freebies as it is.

I dont mind paying tax for a bus pass for poor disabled people subject to an annual journey limit.

Added to the problem of the over 60's scroungers is the massive fraud involved with ghost ticketing.

Both the bus companies and the over 60's are ripping off the taxpayer and of course the taxpayer is stupid enough to let them get away with it.

It's well overdue for the over 60's bus pass to be abolished.

Cyril.

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